Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Corrupt Cops Extort Local Business ( The Real Story )

Episode Date: October 19, 2024

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I went to Franklin Correctional and that place was just like good old boy network. They're using taxpayer money like out like the maintenance area. Like there was a dude that like he was like the welder on the welding squad. Literally all that fucking dude did was build smokers. I'd have steel that they bought with, you know, prison material money. Right. And he'd build every officer, sergeant, lieutenant, whatever, had a fucking badass smoker built by this dude. total way he would even build the trailers for them right and it's just all prison money that's

building all this shit i just always like they just got away with that kind of shit all the time and like they'd have like their staff appreciation day and like they have like that same dude that well did like would help them make barbecue and dude they'd be like smoking like 36 boston butts on like just all bought with taxpayer money just like filling up their cars like gas and just you know name it man just constantly constantly constantly doing shit like that anyway my whole thing was just like get to work release get to work release where were you working well i was working on a auto body shop called diamond auto painting in lake park florida everything was good and like i got the job and was like working there and i've always been a hard worker like and i want to know everything about everything so like

just the way my mind works so i'm like i'm doing paint prep i'm painting i'm doing body work i'm detailing I'm helping the manager with the weekly business report doing like, you know, our gross profit and, you know, taxable, blah, blah, blah. And so around this time, around this time I start, like, having these two officers kind of fuck with me a little bit at the work early center. They start, like, ransacking my room and, like, holding me in from going to work and, like, all that kind of stuff. And I just like, I don't understand why, because I was, like, textbook model prisoner. Right. Like, I go to, I leave for work at 5.45 in the morning, and I'm not back until 8 o'clock at night, I think. And all I do is, like, I get back at 8 o'clock.

I do my chain gang workout. I go do muscle ups and pull-ups and dips and shit. And I take a shower, and I go to bed, and I'm saved the next day. So I'm like, why are these guys fucking with me like this? They show up my job a couple times, they were supposed to do, but they never did before. showed up once before in 10 months now they've showed up three times it's just weird so like we're progressing along and then I'm like I'm like telling my bosses and stuff like I don't understand what's going on like these guys are with me so like they'd held me in for work and they would

notice that like my boss would come get me like if I didn't make my bus ride which is a two hour bus ride to work like I call my boss like do these fuckers held me in from work he'd drive over and get me and bring me to work and I like it seemed like that pisses them off like somebody would drive out of their way to get me so these these guys are messing with me and mind you like I said I'm like a model prisoner I'm just working like 12 13 hours a day coming back to the center like going to church on Sundays every Sunday during that time like a few months prior to this like probably July August or so I meet a chick at church and we know we kind of start talking just friendly innocently enough just talking at church she's not

from the female work release center she's not whatever she's a free world chick that as it turns out as a teacher at the school attached to the church and we're talking and it's progressing as time goes on and you know obviously I'm interested in her she's smoking

hot you know tall blonde chick and you know she ends up becoming my girlfriend and you know like you're not trying to fuck up yeah I'm not trying to fuck up I'm like literally on the straight and narrow I'm done sick and tired of being sick and tired

I've been in and out of fucking institutions since I was 13 14 like I'm done I'm not selling any drugs I'm not doing anything I'm not even like thinking about doing drugs I'm like I just want to like get my shit together and I met this chick that's awesome you know she's a teacher like she's an awesome chick like

the pastor's daughter like from the Midwest you know whatever so I'm just like on the straight and narrow and I like telling her like man these I got these officers with me and I can't figure out why I don't know why they're messing with me This kind of comes to a head like I said

Like February And I'm at work one day Where I'm doing the weekly business report With my manager Diego And you know We're going through doing our weekly business report And all of a sudden The two officers show up at work

And they're like, can you come out here with us please? I'm like yeah And they're like Show us where the toolbox is I'm like, what are you talking about? They're like the toolbox where you keep your money And I'm like what are you talking about I'm like I don't have a toolbox I'm at work release dude I'm like and I work here like everything's provided by the shop like show us for the tool like where's your little station where you work and I'm like well technically like my title like I work here you can see there is a toolbox here but it's like got 10 years with the dust on it like not mine I'm like feel free to look through it I'm like there ain't no money and they're like I'm gonna level with you we know you're selling blues on the compound we know you're

dealing drugs and you know we people are getting high on the compound and we know it's you and I'm like I don't know who gave you that information I'm not doing shit I'm like if you like watched me you would know I create no trouble there I go to work I come home I go to work I come home that's it I'm like I'm not doing anything wrong I'm like all I that's it and yeah well we know like we have it on good authority that you're like I'm like how many times you guys ransacked my room found nothing right now you're here you're gonna find nothing i'm like i'm not doing anything like have you considered maybe whoever told you this obviously somebody told you this have you considered maybe that source was wrong and they're like no no so we're like oh you think you're trying to be cute

whatever come out here with us they bring me up by the van which was parked out front and they pat me down and then like put me in the van and they're like listen you're going to pay to play or we're going to take you to jail and for those that don't know in the joint like we call getting taken to jail going to confinement at least in the state I don't know what they do with the feds

but that's going to confinement so I'm like dude I don't like I don't have nothing for you so then they like grab my wallet now you could draw a hundred dollars a week out of your inmate account for zoom zooms and wham-wams or whatever you want to spend the money on

so I've got like 90 of the hundred left So they like I'm back outside the van at this point So they pluck the 90 out of my wallet And they're like go back in there And get us some more money And you're going to jail right now Like if I don't know what to do You know I'd go in there

I'm like I know my boss will give me some money to give to them So I go in there We had just taken like $370 or so From a bumper job that we did for a guy And he paid cash So I go inside And I tell the one officer to go around And go into the shop

I needed to talk to my boss And I'm like dude these guys are extorting me like I need some dough to give these guys and he's like oh what do you want me to do like very like thick um accent Diego had he's well what do you like I don't have money to give you and I'm like give me something out of the till and so he's like I have that cash that we just took from the bumper job I'm like that should be enough to get them to go away so he gives me like the 370 bucks or whatever I walk out back into the shop and our shop was in like kind of a high crime area so like

As I'm walking out to the shop with the dough in my hand, I'm like, wait a minute, I'm going to position this. So he's right on a candid camera. Right. Because we got cameras everywhere. So I, boom, I give it to this one officer right on camera. Why don't you backing up? The officer I gave it to was Officer Brown. The other officer that's fucking me is a lieutenant.

Okay. He's a lieutenant, a white shirt. Right. Like, anyway. There's no, no misidentifying them. Yeah. Or it's pretty obvious what's happening. Yeah.

And like, it's pretty obviously they've been doing this. Because you wouldn't be this brazen as you're, like, first time. They've been doing this. And, like, I've told people, like, when I've told this story, like, if I was doing dirt, I would have gladly paid those. But, like, here you go. Right. Whatever.

But I wasn't. So I was kind of, like, righteously indignant about it. Like, here I am trying to, like, actually live right. And, like, you're shaking me down. Right. And so. I don't have, like, I'm not making. I'm not making enough to keep doing this.

Right. Right. So you've given me really one choice. Right. Like either I've got, well, two choices. Either I've got to start doing it to pay you. Right. You know, or I got to figure out another way out of this.

Right. Or I guess three choices. Or just go to the, you can go to the, in feds, it's the shoe. You can go to the hole. You can go to the hole. Right. For doing nothing. Right.

I can go to the box. I got to sell drugs to supplement the income to give them the money. or I've got to report them somehow and hope that it's not one of their buddies. I give them the money on camera. I walked back out with them to the van and he was like, listen, we're going to be back Monday for, this is the lieutenant telling me.

We'll be back Monday for $500 more. We're going to meet you at that Benjamin Moore store right there across the street around lunchtime. Better have our fucking money, basically. I'm like, they leave. I go back inside. I'm like, oh my God, dude. And we call our boss, boss, the actual owner, Bob.

and he's like, you know, call it cops, the real cops. Right. And so we call the real cops, and we call our IT guy to come pull the camera footage and shit immediately because it's on a loop, it's not, it's, you know, it gets re-recorded every two hours. They said in court, like when the shit went to court, that, like, it was unclear on what he gave the officer. It's clearly money. Right. But whatever.

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throw some yoga pants and hauled ass up there to see me. She had gotten there like probably 30 minutes after the cop, and by this time I'm sitting down, like, writing my statement out. And the cop was a dick all the way up to the point where I handed him my statement and he read it. And when he read it, he was like making these faces. I'm like, what? And he was like, well, nothing, you're just, you're not a dumbass.

Right. And he's like, this is like the best, like the most well-written statement I've ever read in my life. And I'm like, thanks. And he's like, well, no, I just like normally guys in your position, they're dumbass. And he's like, why are you in prison? I'm like, drugs, dude. They make you a person you're not normally, whatever. So then he starts being kind of cool with me.

And he's like, listen. Did he see the footage? You show him the footage? Yeah, he had seen the footage, you know. And I showed it to him again once he read my statement. And now he's like, okay, I see what's going on here. The beginning footage of them looking through a toolbox and all that, too. We had all that.

It was on camera. Them pulling up, them walking, like, we had all that. So he's like, all right. Well, listen, PBSO probably won't touch this unless it's like a task force thing. He's like, but he's like, would you be willing to wear a wire on these guys when they come back for the extra 500? so you can really, you know, stup them. And I'm like, fuck, yeah. I'm like, I don't know, I have no snitch.

I never snitch on nobody, but, like, snitching on prison guards, fuck a prison guard. I will snitch on a prison guard all day along. Maybe if they were doing bad shit for me that was for my interest, that would be different. But these guys are trying to extort me. They're shaking me down. They're shaking me down. I'll wear a wire on those fucking assholes any day. I'm like, yeah.

So he's like, well, the FDLE might reach out Monday, like, whatever, whatever. So I'm like, okay, we leave. I leave with my girlfriend. We go get dinner. And I don't know if they're just going to arrest me right when I get into the center. They don't. I go through the whole weekend. Everything's normal.

I see her at church on Sunday. Everything was normal. What's she saying? She's just like, what, like this is up? Like, they can't do that. Like, people that haven't been in the system, you know? I always love when people that haven't been in the system say those words, they can't X, X, Y, Z. and you're just like oh honey you're a person you have no clue what you're talking about you've watched too much TV yeah they can and they will do whatever the

they want whenever the fuck they want however the they want legal or not so especially with the corrupt as florida department corrections is so fast forward to monday morning i'm walking out of the center it's 5.45 a.m. mind you those two like this is important detail those two prison shit eaters, they work 8 to 4.30. I'm walking out of the work early center to go catch my bus. My first of two buses and two hour bus ride it takes to get to my job. I'm walking out at 545

and as I'm like probably almost a block away a white van comes up on me. And it's these two Lieutenant Bow and Officer Brown in a state van in uniform at 545 in the morning when they should

They're not even on shift yet. Right. And they're like, get in the van. And I'm like, dude, oh, my God. Like, these guys are they going to go kill me and dump me in the Everglades? Like, but I really can't make a scene and say no either. So I roll with it. I'm like, I'm like, hold the fuck on.

I got to grab my cigarettes. I grab my cigarettes. I get in the van and we leave. And I'm like, they're like, we're going to give you a ride to work. And I'm like, you know? Well, I try to make them stop as many places as possible. Like, I stopped and made, like, bought a pack of cigarettes at this one. store made sure I'm on camera notated in my brain what store it was and I stopped on another

store I'll buy work same thing made sure I'm on camera and like I knew the owner of that store because I stopped there every day and I'm like hey you know like you need to save this footage for me so anyway they get ready to work I'm just early as it would take me two hours to get there on the bus right so we get there and it's super early and we're just like sitting there like do do do playing along with them like I'm going to get them more money but I got no money them right you know i'm just like waiting for one of my co-workers to get there basically so my one co-worker gets there eddie who's a great dude but he he'd come in at like seven and he would always leave early on friday so he had no clue what happened on friday right so he comes in like

between seven and seven-thirty and he didn't know what happened on friday so he's empty and trash in the dumpster when he pulls up and i'm like eddie used to be cool he's like oh see you got a ride this morning huh i'm like that ain't no ride i'm like those are those and assholes that keep messing with me. I was like, dude, they shook me down on Friday for money, blah, blah, blah. It's a long story. There's a police report underneath the desk in the office if you want to read it. But like, it's, it's bad. And he's like, you know, he was a good old boy from North Carolina. He's like, the motherfuckers. I'm like, I need to stall them because, like, the, you know, FDLE and everybody was supposed to get involved. He's like, all right. So I proceed

to, like, open up the shop and, like, just kind of go about my day. Like, hold on, guys. I got to look normal and I stall as long as humanly possible I stalled for like over an hour I stall stall stall stall stall stall and finally the lieutenant is just like you're stalling we're gonna take grass to you I'm like hold on hold on I go all right I'm done playing I go back there Eddie is on the phone with 911 at this point and I'm like like I'm like do that they're gonna take me in whatever Eddie's like take my phone talk to the dispatches go lock yourself in one of the cars if they try to come in here I'll scare him out of here so like 15 minutes go by and I hear Eddie start yelling and what I didn't know is like they're looking

around trying to find me and they looked in like one of Eddie's things and Eddie pulls his gun on him and because Eddie keeps the freaking 45 in his toolbox right he's getting to fuck out my shop right now and they're like oh we're just trying to help Ryan because he's got money he's not supposed to have and we're going to deposit in his in his inmate account and da-da-da-da what they are brazen right brazen is man and and Eddie's like that doesn't make enough sense? Like, how would that make any sense? You're going to help him? He's like, get the fuck out of my shop right now. So I'm in like a Jeep Grand Cherokee, like, down on the floor board, like talking to 911, like, trying to explain what had happened Friday to her.

And it's just, it's a nightmare. They find me in this Grand Cherokee. And there's a pound on the window. I was like, get out. After a few minutes, the SO cop car pulls up. So as the regular cop car pulls up, I jump out of the The Cherokee, I said, listen, sir, you can arrest me right now, cuff me up. I'm like, I'll go wherever you, take me to county, take me wherever. I just don't want to go anywhere with them. I'm in fear for my life. So he immediately cussed me up, throws me in the cop car.

He's, like, trying to talk to Bowen Brown, who, like, you can see, like, steam coming out of their ears as they're, like, trying to figure out a way to, like, make this makes sense. Right. Because they've not thought of backstories to tell other cops, you know. So they're like, oh, yeah, we're going to, you know. do the thing for the stuff and the who's he what's it's and the watcher jiggers and you know and the cop's like okay okay yeah he's a word of the state i'm going to give him back to you so like he makes a big scene opens the back door and then like leans in he's like mr henderson

we were literally wiring up your boss at the Kmart around the corner and he's like these guys thwarted the plan he's like we don't know why they picked you up early or what he's like but unfortunately he's like your boss is actually going to come here and try to be like, hey, can I just give you some money to squash all this? Maybe they'll take it. Maybe they won't. And he's like, if it would have scald a little bit longer. Like, he's telling me this really fast.

Right. He's like, well, listen, I've got to let you go with them. He's like, but just know you're being followed. He's like, if you go back to the center, we're going to be watching. Nothing's going to happen to you. Like, we're not going to let them kill you or nothing. Yeah. They don't know that.

Exactly. Like, they could have killed me in that van and nobody would have known. Right. At least until that was dead. They could take you in the hole. and do any number of things to you and say, psh, we found him, he hung himself.

Right. Well, first they had to take me back to the work release in him. They could have strangled me with a seatbelt in the fucking van. What I'm saying? That doesn't mean that once you're in the place.

Oh, even worse. It's even worse. Yeah. So at any rate, they give me back to them and then now they're like, ha ha, ha, you thought you were going to get over on us. I'll show you.

Like, I have way more power than you. Like, you're going to lose all your gain time. You're going to give you a line. I'm going to give you a line. to staff DR. I'm going to give you a da-da-da-da-da-D-R. Whatever.

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driving back to the center. We're not over a bunch of to start driving back to the center, Diego, my manager comes up. It's like, hey, can I just give you guys like $1,000 and we'll just squash this all? Right. They were smart enough to be like, no, no, no, because, like, too much had happened.

We'd drive back to the center, and I'm, like, so nervous the whole ride back. Like, a matter of fact, the guy, Officer Brown, was sitting behind me because the Officer Bo, douche was like, if he tries anything funny, wrap that seatbelt around his neck and strangle his ass. Literally, like, told him to do that. And which he didn't do,

But it could have happened. We get back to the center, and we're back at the center. They put me in the officer station, and they immediately, like, go off to the side and go try to figure out their stories. There's some officers working that know me. They know I don't cause any trouble. And they're like, Anderson, the fuck.

Then Bo comes back in, and he tells us, one officer, Officer Campbell. He's like, hey, listen, Campbell, I need you to put that we signed out the van at 0-800, right at 0-800. Right. And then we just got back, you know, right now. And Campbell's like, but you didn't.

already gone when we got here and he's like just do it like I'm the lieutenant just do it and like when he walked away I liked Campbell I painted his car I'm like don't do it camel my lawyer's gonna have a field day of this shit I was like I promise you you don't know what's in motion here but shit's about to go down and he's like shit you think they'd do anything for my black ass man fuck that cracker I'm not doing shit for him and like literally like no sooner do he say that maybe five minutes later like the fucking doors to the center like fly up in and it's like the warden, the Florida State Inspector General, PBSO, FDLE, like all those people, and they're like, where's Ryan Anderson? Where's Ryan Anderson? Like, where's he at?

They like make sure that I'm okay. And they're like, get him out of handcuffs right now. Blah, blah, blah. And they're like, where's Bow and Brown at? They were like at the, there's a road prison right next door to the work release. They're like at the road prison, like off in a corner, like talking. So they grab them. Start questioning everybody and everything. But like, there's a lot of damning evidence against them already. Right. Because their story already doesn't make sense. Yeah, it makes no sense.

At the very least, you've already lied on a police report. Right, right. Which is, at the very least enough for them to get fired. Right, right. Let alone, you know, charged. I think you can get two or three years for lying on a police report. And it's worse when it's an official making that kind of thing. So I get questioned about the FDLE and all these people and all that.

And they're just kind of corroborating what I've already said. And then the real kick in the ass about this thing is, like, like I was good at work release instead of letting me stay and finish out my last 55 days or whatever that I had left when this all went down they send me back to martin correctional again which oversees West Palm work release by this time they put me in AC confinement so I'm in an administrative confinement I'm in the box um and I just like I'm back there for like 40 40 45 days, I think, when I didn't do anything wrong. Right.

So I was going to say, you know, what's funny is, like, the warden of the prison has the right to release you. Exactly. Like the warden, they could have just gone and explained it to the warden. He could have said, okay, you know what? Do you have somewhere to go? Right. Like, we're going to send you home.

Like, you're done. Right. It's 45 days. You're done. You're safer at home. Which is exactly, I actually, when I got interviewed with the FDA, I actually suggest I'm like, they can't just do an emergency, a release. It's 45 days.

It's nothing. That's a joke. I've already been locked up for years. Exactly. I asked like that and I was just like, and then when they said that they were going to send me to Martin, I was like, you guys are like playing with my life.

You don't know what buddies they have at Martin or whatever that could mace me to death back there in the box. Like anything could happen. But no, I do my 45 of my last 60 days in the box. Then I go to Bell Glade for like my last 15 days or whatever, 14 days. Then I get out. I get out.

and once I'm out like this this whole case and everything has just been like crazy my girlfriend it's been in the newspaper right because the articles

I read in the newspaper so by this point they've arrested the guys have they charged them and everything they've not by the time I got out okay the arrest came later however like my girlfriend

like once I get sent to the box and everything she's just like beside herself and she's like feverishly writing me trying to figure out where I'm at. The FDLE had questioned her. And then they had like question her. And then like when they sent me to the box,

I think I think they like told her they didn't know where I was at, which freaked her out. She had no way to talk to me to know. She's like, what do you mean? You don't know where he's at. So anyway, all these things happen and it's just like a world random,

it's like something out of a bad B movie, you know? and you know we're going through the whole kit and aboodle here and are they ever going to charge these guys like now i'm out they're ever going to charge these guys like what i knew they were suspended like right away right without pay well finally i want to say it was like so i got out april i got out tax day 2013 i want to say it was like september they finally officially charged both of them with like official misconduct and a couple other things and so you know they were really They arrest them, they charge them. The white shirt guy got a good lawyer, Michael Salonik.

He's pretty good. He gets pretty good lawyer. Brown doesn't, has like a public pretender. And the union doesn't do shit for him. So anyway, I end up hearing they get arrested. I'm like, finally, yeah, they get arrested. And just to show you like how slow the wheels of justice move in our system, if it was me, I would have been on trial in three months.

Right. because these guys were pregnant guards. It was three years before one of them went on the trial, which was the lieutenant. They wanted to always try the lieutenant first because they're like, you know, some may say our case

is weaker on the lieutenant, but like, that guy. He's a white shirt. Like, fuck him. So, like, he's higher up, whatever. So long and short, we end up going to a trial. And I think his lawyer would deposition and all this. And his lawyer is very clear

His lawyer is going to be like, attack my credibility, attack my credibility, attack my credibility. I wish it was recorded because I mopped the fucking floor with his lawyer. I mean, I mop the fool. I made him look like a fool. I have a good memory and stuff, but he tried every way to trip me up and get me to, you know, get a rise out of me and stuff. And I just, I mop the fucking floor with that fool. And like, even the other, the dude, Beau, like, at one point it was like, can you identify that man in the courtroom? And I was like, yeah, he's a good.

guy over there with the with the cheap men's warehouse suit on and the bad hair piece or whatever right and like the whole courtroom was like it was pretty funny he gets convicted at trial bam on everything the judge like oh i got to do like my victim impact statement and i wrote like a solid gold impact statement right which part of it was just like me trying to rub it in but part of it really was like i'm trying to change my fucking life yeah like i really truly is trying to change my life like Now, mind you, when it finally went to trial three years later, that girl that was my girlfriend, is now my fucking wife. Right.

We got married, and I'm just, like, working my ass off to get my shit together. The ex-girl had, you know, that I was with before I went to prison a second time, our restitution was joint in several. Who do you think had to get stuck paying all the restitution? This guy. And by the time the three years had elapsed, I had already gotten off from him. paid off all my restitution

to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars gotten married like all this shit like all I was trying to do is get my shit together man that's it I wrote this impact statement that was just pretty much like a big you and like you're entrusted for the you're in a position of trust and you're supposed to be

keeping me part of it is part of it is you know yeah you're a jailer you're supposed to keep me incarcerated but you're and following the rules but you're also supposed to you're you're entrusted with my safety. Yes, yes.

So. And so, yeah, they, I forget what the, there's like a three Cs or something. It's like care, something in control, care, comfort of control, care, care, something rather in control, like the, the, the DOC uses. Yeah, they just violated all that shit. And like, the one guard, the officer Brown, I like, almost fell bad for him. I didn't, but almost because he was. was like Bo's puppy dog.

Right. I guarantee you that pussy would have never done that without Bo. He's a pussy. And so, but like falling in Bo around, like, you know, I can make a couple hundred raggedy ass dollars like, well, how many people were, I mean, how long had they done that and for, and what, I mean, what is your, what do you think? Because you're not, you're clearly not the first person that they'd ever done that too.

I think that Bo had been doing it for years. Right. it was like almost as long as he's been working at the center Brown hadn't been an officer long enough I think I was probably one of the first people that he ever like And it went way wrong It went way wrong Lost his career over it

So once Beau got convicted Brown took a deal Lost his career and got like He was just barely like at that point where they get a vest Right I think it's like three or five years for them So they're just barely getting the vest So he lost everything

Not to mention like all the time he was out on all the time he was out on admin leave and all that kind of shit so like that's basically what happened and like after it happened like I had other guys like yeah they were making me pay rent too

but the thing was like those guys wouldn't come forward because they were doing shit yeah yeah you know what he mean so it's like and yeah dude it's just the Florida system's so so corrupt I can like go on on on about it, but that's a story for another time.

But like, the fact that, you know, he only got a few years, too, is just a noise the fuck out of me, too. Like, that guy deserved to get 10 years because he was also a piece of shit to prisoners. Right. You know, from being in the feds, too. Like, we're already doing time. Right. That's our fucking punish me.

You don't need to be punitive, too. Right. Yeah. You don't need to be extra, you know? Yeah. I like the guys, like, the guys that, the correctional officers. that are basically, it's just a job. Right.

They show up, they do their job, they leave. It's the guys that get there and they want to talk down to you. They want to, they want to belittle you and make your life much, much harder. They want to write up incident reports for things that didn't happen. Right. Or, you know, I've seen guys, you know, they'll go in. There's all those stupid things. They'll lie on you.

Not even, I'm not even talking about guys that'll plant stuff. Like, you don't have to plant someone. to give them a hard time plant stuff on you could just go in and flip their bed like people don't realize like i've got to sell if the guard walks in and he flips my bed over or just pulls he can just mess it up and write a report boom guy didn't have you know this inmate didn't have his bed you know in in good shape or maybe i've seen guys get written up because the guy two cells down borrowed a newspaper and he went to return it and he put it on the guy's bed boom inmate has something on his bed like I didn't put it on my bed

somebody else did and you write me up and now I lose 30 days commissary or I get you know something happens to me or maybe you don't maybe you'll lose your two man room and now you're in a three man room and you're like it took me two years to get into a two man room because I lent a paper to Jimmy and Jimmy wasn't smart enough to realize you shouldn't have thrown it on my bed you should have handed it back to me so and you know I didn't do that I was at work right when I left my bed was fun when I came back

you've written me an incident report because Jimmy when I was at work through it on my paper like it's so unfair and people think oh well what's a big deal the big deal is it took me two years to get a two man cell I was comfortable I did nothing wrong right and now I'm going to a three man cell with two other guys that's extremely uncomfortable and you know it's just this and people don't you know they don't realize how you hear about these guys who were like this guy got stabbed because he lost the guy's book like a guy I lent him my Game of Thrones book and he lent it to somebody else and that guy got shipped or he gave it to somebody now they can't find it and next thing you know

they get stabbed somebody get stabbed over it and you're like God you stabbed him over a book you don't seem to understand what happened that's not the book like there's a whole other your priorities are so shifted the things that mean nothing out here that you wouldn't think twice about are so overwhelmingly

important. You make decisions and you do things that you would never do on the street. Until you've been there for four or five years, it still seems silly. But four or five years later, it's not silly. You know, you can't talk to me like that. You can't say that. You can't do this. You

need to return that. That's why to me, luckily, I was sharp enough not to get into those. I don't lend things. I don't do this. I don't do this. I just don't have it. I don't lend it. I don't give it. I don't this. I don't borrow anything I'll do without no I'll go without coffee for a week I don't need to borrow coffee I'm good yeah yeah you know like across the board there's all these little things that just kept me out of trouble because I saw things go so wrong for other people little little tiny nuances

that are a big deal yeah big deal you know or can be and a lot of it is just respect things yeah like just boils down a respect a lot on a basic level a lot of it's just respect respect respect respect um and then so many other things too Like, I'm not going to borrow from you. I'm like to pay you interest. Like, I'll go without, you know. And I'm not going to, you know, I'm just not going to do that, you know. And I, I just say, I've even bought stuff for some for people.

And they're like, no, no, no, I'll get you back. No, no, no. Right. This is yours. You don't know. You want to give me some of those back. That's fine. It's up to you.

But what, you know. Right. This is yours. I'm buying it for you. Right. It's yours. Yeah. It's, yeah.

Yeah, I bought a guy. Like, you know, like a toothpaste one time Because he's using the regular toothpaste all the time I know he'd have money and then I bought it, boom. The Bob worker. Yeah, exactly. It's better for fission metal than it is for doing your teeth. Right.

But it's just, it's a horrible, it's a horrible situation. Just what's your priority? I'm trying to wish I could think of a way to say it. Your priorities are so skewed and so fucked up after being in prison just a little period of time. And I've seen guys that just, they don't, they get, they get themselves into trouble right away. Oh, yeah, right away. They don't let a chance.

Right away. Yeah. And you're just like, bro, what did you do? Like, you got here, you're, within a week, you're running up debts. You're borrowing money. Like, you're doing everything wrong. You try and tell him they, they, nah, that guy's good, bro. No, he's not good.

You don't know that guy. Now we're from the same neighborhood. That doesn't mean anything. You're doing way too much. Right. Calm down. Like, stop what? you're doing a couple little white kids get themselves in trouble that way like just oh man he's so

nice he like let me this I'm like did you not watch the honey bun video bro like come on like this is like prison 101 did we you weren't paying attention to the honeybud video were you guys used to say you know what's the difference between the low and the medium I say in the you have to have heard me said I'd say in the medium if a dude leaves the snickers bar on your pillow don't touch it in the low you can eat it you'll be right fine. Right, right, right, right. Nobody's going to do anything. They're walking around tough guys. They're acting like badasses and stuff. But for the most part, you'd have to really give them a reason. Yeah, you'd have to really, really give them a reason to go after you, for the

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Yeah, yeah, whatever, like, or whatever. Like, but you've also just got some places that are wilder than others, and you've got to know how to move and know how to do your time. This is the same thing. Like, there's guys that would be in the, like, listen, like the low and Yazoo is worse than the medium at Coleman. You know what I mean? like that's right of course of course in the low here like if you're a defender like don't even don't even look in the window of the TV room as you walk by right you know that like they they keep their heads down they don't you know in the low these guys that it's these guys would actually come in some would just stand outside the window and they'd look sometimes there were sometimes when they'd actually go in and watch a program like they'd have to really petition to be able to watch a program

But it happens, you know. These are sex offenders. Yeah, these are offenders. But this is a low. 50% of them are sex offenders. What are you going to do? You know, there's too many of them. Right.

But you think about in other institutions like these guys are walking around, they're staring at the ground. They eat glass. They did. And it could be even a higher, it could be even a lower custody. It just depends on who's running it. Like just because what happens at a low in California is vastly different than what's going to happen at a low in Florida. Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, like for state side, for defenders, and, like, me personally, it's, like, pretty much smash on site or check-in.

I didn't even get into that part of, like, my own story, but, like, so I'm a survivor of that. There's a couple people in my neighborhood that I grew up in. There was, like, actually, not one, but two, like, pretty prolific. I know now. Right. vendors that molested numerous boys in my neighborhood Book club on Monday

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don't have paperwork you know you're like my lawyer told me not to talk about my case you're gonna get smashed yeah put your put your shit on the glass how about that like or like i worked at maintenance when i was at franklin and i don't want to say how but we had a way to like you know not even with a cell phone. It wasn't we had a cell phone. We had a way to look up people's DOC record. And like, I remember there was this like, this dude that was like he would run ink and stuff.

He was like, goddamn good tattoo artists. But I overheard him a few times in line, like on the way of the child be like, oh, yeah, look at her. Look at him or whatever. He's like talking to some other dude. Like, I like, just take

that or whatever, whatever. And I'm like, this guy this thumbs up with this guy so I decided to look his ass up he's in for an L&L on a victim under 12

and like and everybody was like kind of like oh he's a fucking outlaw biker and maybe he was he had the tattoo and shit but I don't give a fuck I personally was like

put your fucking shit on the glass and I had printed it out the printout and smuggled it back in and I was like you get your shit out in the glass. He's like, I ain't no fucking offender. Blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, listen, dude, put your shit

on the fucking glass. And he, like, started to refuse at first. I said, listen, I'm going to really throw you under the bus now. And I was like, I'm just going to do something. And you're going to see why you need to put your shit on the glass. And I just pasted it up on the officer station. And everybody immediately got to see that he

not only was there for an L&L and a victim under 12, but he was a multiple time defender. Right. He was a fucking prolific. defender and like I'm one of those people I believe that people can't change if they put enough work in

however offenders can't be rehabilitated like what anybody says cannot be rehabilitated all they want to do is figure out a way to get away with it they're not like drug addicts and gambling addicts and fraud addicts

you know who can change like that's like a switch or something is fucked up in their head that they are attracted to my nurse, it can't be fixed. They might as well just Jimmy Rice act, all of them, put them in a fucking island somewhere.

Send them all to Eftes's Island or some shit. Like, I don't know. Like, just do something with them. You know, it just, they can't be rebuilt. I don't care what anybody says. You just can't. But anyway, I digress. But it's just,

it's just really sickening to me the way those people are up there. But, like, and I've heard that about the feds, though, that the lows sometimes are just like. Well, because there's so many that are arrested. And what's happening they'll go in, they'll get these guys that are they'll arrest 45

guys on one case. They'll arrest because they're doing internet crimes. So there's so many of these guys feel comfortable in the intergram. They're looking up stuff. They're just looking up photos. And so if you even have looked it up and have it on your computer, you're getting three years. Mandatory. That's it. Three years. So

they flooded all the lows. They can't, you know, it's not, they don't consider like a violent crime. So they're not going to the mediums, but they can't go to a low because there's, because, because of public, public safety. So you can't, it has to be a fit. So it's a low. You're only going to the lows. So the lows are, are packed full of them. Wow. And, and so now you, they just fill them up, fill them out, fill them up. And, you know, what do you do? And then just recently,

about a year or so ago, the halfway houses started taking them again in Florida, because Florida used to not allow, allow them in halfway houses. They're not allowed to go to work release for like states but you've they've locked up so you know it's like okay great you're going out you're getting them you're doing something that's great but you've only that's only half the problem now where do they go well that because the motherfuckers no time either that's what really irks me too like how about the feds i was going to say in the feds here's the problem so if you actually could be a hands-on offender in the state and you can get probation right but if you looked at a picture in the fed you're getting three years now if you have multiple pictures you could end up with

three, six, nine, you could end up with their guys that have 15 years because they had a video or they went to, whatever. And it's like, okay, but he didn't get a hold of anybody. This guy got a hold of someone and he got 12 months in the state and five years paper. It's like, are you serious?

This guy yanked somebody into a van. Right, right, right, right. This guy looked at some pictures. I'm not saying either one of them is acceptable, but 15 years versus 12 months. What are you doing? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever as far as I'm concerned. But I I've just noticed, you get somebody that pawns some shit, you give five years, four years, whatever it may be.

You got a guy that, you know, got an L&L on somebody under 12, and they get in 24 months. Right. They may have a lifetime probation after, but still, like. Well, I think, you know, the problem is, is that for, it is a, it's a, it's a, it's a tough situation. And the problem is, for some people, it'll never be enough time. You're never going to get a consensus on what constitutes enough time, you know? if you're a little old lady and you lost half a million dollars of your life savings to a white-collar criminal some people are saying he's a white-collar criminal but if it's her she's saying give him life

right right right right you know say well if I give him life what do I give the murderer what do I give the so it's a it's a it's a balancing act it's also just because I don't believe there could be rehabilitated that that always sway is my thing well I think and here's the other problem with my opinion on that is like now we have to house them like not like you know kind of like what the judge said like how much resources can you throw right right and you can't march them off to the to the right you know to the gun range you know so it's like you know not that there's not a whole not that I don't think that that vote would pass but nobody wants to even put it up for a vote right so it's like you're like it's such a it's just no good solution no no like that's why

Like, there always needs to be like a place that they go. Like, you want to know, they can grade their own food. You know, they can be completely, create their own culture. Off grid. It's fine. You know. Right. You know, so.

Parents can threaten to send their children there when they're bad. There would be a whole, there would be a whole, there'd be a whole genre kind of set up just around that whole thing. You know, people would write books. It would be, yeah. Yeah, it would turn into. It would turn into the boogeyman. Oh, yeah. It'd be like my parents tell me they're going to give me to the gypsies.

Right. When I was kidding. We're going to give me the gypsy. What the fuck are even are the gypsies? I don't even know what the gypsies are, but the fact that you guys are threatening me with me? Yes. I don't know. Yes.

They would tell us that all the time. Like, we're going to give me to the gypsies. I'm the fuck even are the gypsies. The Hungarians, the weird English people, like the Brad Pitt and Snatch. I love that movie. Yeah, that's a great movie. But, yeah. I mean, well, what are we, are we good?

You feel good? I think so. Okay. I think so. And I can tell Kevin, I can tell Kevin is having some problems. He is. I was like, I can tell you was. I feel bad because I know he doesn't have any food in his stomach.

Yeah. So the, the story behind that is these guys had a bad meal last night and they spent a good portion of last night being sick at the, hotel and this morning being sick and when I got the phone call this morning it was like I think we're good we're on our way there's nothing left in our stomachs we're good but Kevin who's watching is gone to the bathroom what has been good but has gone the bathroom several times and not obviously not doing well so I thought of a title for a book when I was in prison I was like you know, I'm going to, like, write a memoir and just call it weird shit and amazing tales. Like, my life in, my life in times as a degenerate drug addict in South Florida.

And it would be a great title. Yeah, I think it's a pretty good title. And now I'm putting it on the internet, so some other asshole I'll write it. But I always thought it was a be a good title, though. And just, like, put a bunch of, like, my dad's stories and shit in there because there's numerous. So, but yeah. Yeah, I was, your dad's story sound like my cousin. cousin's story of a cousin who is

addicted to meth and was in prison, has been prison in and out of prison for meth. And manufacturing meth. Oh, geez. And so he he just, he had one story after another. And his stories were they were great, they were

hilarious. And I remember one time he said, I, man, and just the way he talked, man, I had a credit card one time. I couldn't break it. I couldn't break it. It was a corporate card and I could just buy and buy and buy. And I used this thing for weeks He said, I couldn't break it. He goes, my girlfriend, he goes, the girl I was seeing, she said,

baby, baby, take me into the store and let me, give me some diapers. So I go and we fill up the cart with diapers, and I swipe the card and it's good. And we're walking out with the, you know, with the cart filled with diapers. And the manager comes out. And he runs up to him and he goes. And he says, hey, hey, we got to come back in the store. You got to come back in the store. We've got to talk about this.

And he's like, and he's like, wait a minute, wait a minute. So the guy says, he says, man, come. on, man, let me just, just take the diapers. Let me go. Let us go. And he goes, no, you should have, he was, oh, oh, you should have thought about that. And he looked at him, he said, I, okay. And he pulls, and he's got a, he's got a gun. My cousin's got a gun. Pulls up, pulls out the gun and puts the sand on the gun. He said, he said, you know what? He said, help her put those diapers in the back of that truck. And the guy's like, oh, wait a minute. I got a kid. I got a wife. And he goes, oh, you should have thought about that. And he says, he loads them up and tells him to

kick rocks they get in the car and they leave so so but you know he's it's just one story after another it's like every one of them's hilarious yeah i just there's those people out there just on the fringes yeah yeah they're full of them my dad's like a florida man without being a florida man he's from connecticut but he's i don't think you have to be born here to be a florida man i don't feel like you have to just reside from a native's perspective yeah i don't think you have to be We're here to be in Florida, man. And, like, Florida's full of f***ed up people from Ohio. It's like, oh, you're fucked up and from Ohio, come to Florida.

You know, Tim Dorsey used to say that in all of his books. Like, all the f*** up people from Ohio. Tim Dorsey is great. You know, they're popular books and the joint and shit. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching the interview. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so get notified videos like this. I appreciate you guys watching.

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