Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Corrupt Lawyer Sets Up Dealers | Rennie

Episode Date: October 6, 2026

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The lawyer is a friend with a federal agent. We can go to Cali, put our own drugs in the boxes, send them back, and give the tracking numbers to the feds, and say it came from this guy. He's creating a case. She was going to be the one to free them, but she never made it to court because of the feds. When I got like nine years old, my mom passed. She died with aneurism. It was a wrongful death that gave her sleeping medicine. when they were supposed to keep her awake.

So my dad sued the hospital and the doctor. And so, you know, everybody knew me like, boy, you're going to get that money when you turn 18. And I was like, when I moved to Lakeland, I was like 14-ish, 15, had a baby on the way. I mean, did you graduate high school? No, I dropped out. Drop out? Yeah. And you're what?

You're just selling drugs? I mean, at that point, no, I got the lawsuit money. When I got the lawsuit money. When you turn 18. Yeah. That's what really kind of. kind of had me doing everything. And, you know, I had older siblings and homeboys around trying to talk me, hey, man,

get that work, get that work. And I invest it, but I ain't get no money back. You know, they're going to mess me over. I'm new to it. You know what I'm saying? So it was like I done did a little this, that, and a third before I really realized what money meant and what it do and all the evil it brings and the fake love and all that. I had like 140,000.

my God, bro. Yeah, 90 days. I see a lesson like a 90 to 120 days. Oh, my gosh. That's nuts. I had the whole crew with me, though. Everywhere I go, I'm 10 deep. I'm buying everybody, whatever they want.

You know what I'm saying? We're going to them all, tear them all down. And I always had the little thing by myself. I didn't want to be known as the person with the money. Because, you know, it makes people feel some type of way when you being flamboyant and they're with you and they don't got it. So I let them, like they had it all, just to give them some kind of little ego boost.

And I sit back and let them palate like they're the ballers. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, it didn't last long. Went down fast. Find out how your friends are. Quick. Quick. Yeah, my sister got a settlement.

My sister, Katie, was, you know, there's four kids in my family. And she was older than me by, gosh, eight or nine. years and she went to a Catholic school and these two boys were throwing a rock. They wouldn't let them throw baseballs. So they had a rock and they were throwing it

across the playground. They're not supposed to. Nobody's monitoring these kids. They just let them out to go play. And she's walking. One of her friends called her and she's walking over to her friend. And when the kids they're throwing, and she walks right between the two boys who she doesn't know what they're doing, hits her in the head with a rock.

She has to have two surgeries because it just cracked her skull. And there was a cysts or whatever grew. And so she ended up getting a settlement. My father sued. My mother, the good Catholic, would not allow them my father to sue the Catholic Church. She said, absolutely not. So he sued the two boys' fathers. And luckily they were both like a dentist and some real estate guy or something.

And so they gave her some money. This is, and this is so long ago. It ended up being like, she got like 30 grand or something when she turned 18. The worst thing my father said he ever did was let her know she was going to get the money when she was 18. Because for the rest of her life, it was every argument, anything was, wait till I'm 18 and I get my money. And my dad was like, you'll blow through that money in a year. Like that money is going to be nothing. Like because you're planning to think it's going to last the rest of your life.

And keep in mind, too, this is, this is. 40 years ago. Wow. Right? So she got the money, moved out immediately. Moved out. My dad had already bought her a car. So she had a little car, but she traded that in and got into the car.

Moved into an apartment. Her and one of her friends, her best friend, two bedroom, too bad, move in there. And she's throwing parties and she's buying pot and she's doing all the stuff that, you know, that an 18-year-old would do. And she everybody loves Katie and a year later. her when the money's out. She's working at a gas station with no money, no friends. She said, she used to say, everybody loved me when I had, when I had all the pot and I had, when I had all the, when I had all the drugs and my own apartment.

And she said, everybody loved me. Everybody loved me. Her best friend, by the way, never paid rent. Wow. The whole time. She just, you know, said she was going to, but she never did. And so, well, you've got that money. You've got that money.

And so in the end, you know, a year later, you know, she's, she's got nothing. You got nothing. It's a mistake telling the kid you got money coming when you're 18. It's because you start relying on that. You think it's going to last forever and it's just not. So you were saying about your brother at this point. At this time, he head first into the drug game. Like, he doing his thing.

Like, that's around the time young Jesus came out with Trappadai. So that's all. He knew. You know what I'm saying? So he doing his thing. He's making money. He wasn't flamboyant, though. Like, he was the type of guy.

He'll have $200,000 and you wouldn't even know it. He'll drive a 10-year-old car. I remember one day, me and him was riding, and he had a Chrysler C. No, it was a Chrysler 200. And it was like a 2008, 2007, 2008. And I was like, bro, man, we need a bins, man. We need to be pulling up. He was like, you know what?

You get the bins. And when the police of the feds get you, you tell me how it went for you in your bins. And I used to be like, bro, you got the money for it. Be like, man, it ain't about that. You'd be like, man, I don't do what I do to stand out. You know what I'm saying? I don't like stick out like a sore thumb.

I got kids. You know what I'm saying? I got real responsibilities. And at then it didn't click to me. I was like, man, whatever. If I was in your position, I have this, I have that. I have a Bentley. I have it all, you know?

And he were like, you'll learn quick. He stayed under the radar, man. And he told me to stand one day. He was like, what you want to be? That thousand mark or a decimal? And I was like, I want to be the thousand mark. You know, everybody was claiming one thousand at this time. So he was like, well, a thousand mark going to stay a thousand.

Everywhere you go, you're going to be a thousand. But that decimal, it can change spots. You could be one. You could be a thousand. You could be a million. You can move places that that thousand can't move. And it clicked on me what he was trying to tell me. Like, man, just because you got it, don't mean you got to show you got it.

Because then people are only going to want to deal with you for what you have. Yeah. And they become jealous of you and you become a target. Yeah. You're definitely a target for the cops. Facts. And not only the cops, like you say, it's your friends, your family. They're worse than the cops, man.

These people envy you and wish bad on you and pray on your downfall. The cops just want to get you when you're doing wrong. You feel me? You could be doing good and your people. around you still a hate you, man. They hate the fact that you can help them out when they need to help. And it's sad. It's very sad.

So how long did, so what happened with him in his case? Okay, so what happened was he was doing his thing. And then he always had this cousin of his that, you know, he was getting money, but he was more flamboyant, loud, jury, nice cars, but he knew how to get some money. So my brother, like, he knew not to mess with this guy. But that's his cousin. He always had the mindset of he won't do it to me. Whatever he'll do, he won't do it to me.

And he had found out the hard way. And so they went to messing around. And my brother, like I said, he always was a cash cow. He got a lot of money. And so his cousin wanted to know, man, how you getting this money, man? Who you know? Introduce me to who you know. Like his plug?

Yeah, the plug. introduce me to your plug. And my brother wouldn't do it because he know you the type that's going to run off on a plug. You're going to rob the plug. You're going to try to stick the plug up. You're going to do anything you can do to get the money and not have to pay the plug. And so they had their little runs for a little while. And then when I think his cousin went to jail out in Cali for like 30 days. So when he got out, my brother was dealing with. his wife, like, that's how he would stay connected with his cousin through his wife. So when he got out, my brother gave him a lump sum. He like, man, where you get all this money from, man? I only been gone 30 days. How are you getting all this money? You need to tell me what is money coming from.

My brother, like, no, I can't do that, man. You're too flamboyant. So he gave him the lump sum or whatever. And by this time, his cousin are already being investigated. The cousin know it. But my brother don't. The cousin is being investigated himself. Okay, not your brother.

The flamboyant guy. Yeah, yeah. He's being investigated. So like I say, my brother's dealing with his wife, you know. So his wife's starting to find a liking into my brother because she's see who really bringing the money in. It ain't her husband. She always thought her husband was the top shot to the number one. But it ain't him.

It's my brother. So she's seeing all this, all that. So when her husband get out and my brother gave him the little, money, whatever. My brother just feel weird. He's like, man, something ain't right with my cousin, but he can't put his hand on it. So, like I say, he was dealing with his wife. And then one day, his wife tell him, hey, man, I got something you need to know about. And he's like, what is it? She's like, um, my husband doing deals with the federal agent. And you don't want to hear that. No, we didn't want to hear that.

We didn't want to hear that. And so by this time, my brother, like, whoa, he don't know what to think because he don't know if they're on him or if his cousin just got in trouble or what. So, like, time's still going. And the wife just being more vulnerable. She's telling my brother everything, whatever he needs to know, she's going to tell him. So one day she told him, hey, what do you think she's thinking? You think she's thinking eventually my husband's going away. Like, no matter what happens, if you know how it works, right?

Like, if you're looking at 20 years, he's going to cooperate against so much people. You're going to get 10. He's still going for 10. Yeah. He's gone. At least. And she's hoping, well, then I can move to, or at least, I don't know if she's thinking hook up with or if she's thinking at least keep the contact.

Yeah. With your brother. Is that what you think she's thinking? I felt like that at first. Right. Oh, okay. But then I realized that she was playing the game too. Oh, she's playing both sides?

Yeah, double-headed snake. So she told my brother, hey, my husband from to meet with his lawyer. It's a lawyer that my brother had before, too. It's like this lawyer down in Port Charlotte. Okay. He take on all the drug dealers and whatever. Like, he's known for this. He got a reputation for this.

And this is federal or state? Both. Oh, okay. So, but at this time, they ain't federal. Like, it's nothing federal happened yet. So they got state, little state cases. It might be minor little cases, but this lawyer is a good lawyer. You know, he's known for getting stuff swept under the road.

So, but now with my brother, cousin, they're doing meetings. And the lawyer is a friend with a federal agent. So he bring it to his client, like, hey, man, I got this guy. I want to hook you up with. He's a good guy, man. He's a federal agent. Blase exquisite, you know. So at this time, the wife is there.

And she's hearing this. So she ran back and tell my brother, hey, man, the lawyer trying to hook my husband up with this federal agent because my husband got some cases coming. He's under investigation. So my brother, he'll mastermind. So he's like, man, I don't know what to do. But what I am going to do is get her to record the conversations with her phone while they're in there having the meetings.

And that happened. She recorded like, I'll say about two hours worth with her phone. Between her husband and the D.A. agent or the lawyer? The lawyer. First, it's the lawyer and her husband. Right. Then he included the D.E.A. agent. Okay.

So when we get the recording, we're hearing all this, hearing all this stuff with him, courthursing the stuff with his lawyer and his lawyer telling him, hey, man, you won't be considered a snitch because you're giving information to your lawyer and I'm giving it to the DEA. So technically, they can't say you a snitch at first. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So, yeah, he done buttered him up telling him, oh, yeah, all the big guys and the cartels and

stuff they have run-ins with the feds. Right. And they work deals. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. That kind of made him feel a little better by that because he felt like, oh, if the

big guy is doing it, I'm a big guy. I'm going to do it, you know? So we get the audio. Listen to the audio. Listen to the audio. Then we hear, yeah, man, we can go to Cali, put our own drugs in the boxes, send them back and give the tracking numbers to the feds and say it came from this guy. So when we heard that.

He's creating a case. He creating a case. But this is supposed to be to help him. You know how they say, well, you give us something. We'll knock off time for yours. So he had stuff to give him, but he wanted to give him the top stuff. He wanted to create his cases and order for him to have, you know, to swap it out. So they went and did that.

They did it multiple times. Going to Cali, putting the stuff in the boxes, sending them back. And then the DEA do that. And then they catch it mid-shipping, or is this stuff going to? Insurance isn't a one-size-fits-all. And shopping for it shouldn't feel like squeezing into something that just doesn't fit. That's why drivers have enjoyed progressives, name-your-price tool for years. With the name your price tool, you tell them what you want to pay, and they show you options that fit your budget.

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And it's like, he gave us information. We got two keys. Yeah. They seize them sometimes or sometimes they let them go. I'm that that sounds like a good. That's not snitching. That's working the system. Yeah.

Because it's your stuff. I'm setting up. I knew a guy. I knew a guy when I was in the Marshall's holdover who had, I don't know if he had 30 years or a life sentence. They used to call him the Mexican Tony Supriano. And he was working off like a 30-year sentence. He looked like Tony Supraina, but he's Mexican. It was huge.

He bought everybody, everything, you know. And he. he literally was having his people in Mexico go find a mule and pack his car up with like 200 pounds of because they knew the minimum. They knew what they for 200. They knew he gets five years. So you're going to get caught going through. You're going to go through the port of entry.

You'll get caught. We're going to tell them the car you're driving. I'm going to tell my lawyer. My lawyer is going to tell DEA. They're going to tell customs. Custom's going to get the car, pull it over. You're going to get five years. You'll be out in four years. You'll be back home in four years. We're going to give you $200,000. $200,000. I was saying, hey, we're going to give you $2 million in Mexico. And we're going to take care of your family the whole time. And then guess what? He gets five or 10 years knocked off a sentence. He's like, he did it multiple times. One time, he was trying to arrange a plane to fly in. Wow. So they could get the plane. So it wasn't always the same thing. Same thing. Yeah. You want to mix it up. You know. But. You're completely setting this up. And to me, that's like, that's not snitching.

This guy's okay with going to prison for fucking four years or, you know, getting five doing four. Hell, now he wouldn't even do that. He'd do three. Yeah. Right. But the point is that he was doing that. And everybody knew it. Like his, his, uh, selly knew he was, he was like, yeah, this is what I'm doing.

Right. He's laughing about it. Like, he's working the system. And he was high up in like the cartel. So, I mean, to me that sounds like the same thing. Yeah. similar. Yeah.

But the guy that you said, his muse knew it, right? Yeah, they knew it. See? R-N-D. We didn't know it. So you're giving it to the guy shipping it. I thought you were putting it in like the mail. Yeah, that's what they're doing.

They're putting it in the mail. They're going to Cali getting whatever drugs they get in. Oh, he's shipping it to somebody else. Not himself. No, not himself. Oh. He's finding random addresses and just sending this stuff to it. Okay.

Random. Just riding around. Okay. in the hood, oh, we're going to use this address. And the person signs for it and doesn't know they're being set up. That. Okay. I didn't care.

If it make it to that level, sometimes it don't make it to the point where it make it all away, it gets. It gets knocked off in the bedded. But if they want you bad enough, they'll let it come through and you can sign for it and you're going to jail. Okay. Can you imagine if you've already been, had several drug cases and you just signed for a for a key?

What are you going to do? How are you going to fight that? You can't. No. You can't get on the stand. No. They'll bring it. Well, you've been arrested four times for drugs anyway, haven't you?

Well, yeah, but this time. No, no, but this time I really didn't know. Oh. Oh, I can see the jury going right. Yeah. Yeah, you didn't know. So they was doing that. And like, they son a lot.

And then there was giving the tracking numbers to the fed. So every time they get the tracking numbers to the feds, they were knocking these packages off. And they keeping it in their dockets. Like, okay, we got this, this, this. and it's all coming from my brother. It's what he's telling them. So they wanted to know, how are you getting their tracking numbers?

Yeah. If this is his stuff, how are you getting it? Oh, well, he got a girl that I know. And like, the stories he made up was bogus. Yeah, but they want to believe it. Yeah, they want to believe it. Then it was another guy involved that created the labels. So it was easier then because they got a guy over here

that create labels that can make it seem like if they're sending it from Cali and the system, he can make it look like it's coming from Georgia. Right. Or it's coming from the Boy Scout. Because they was even sending packages saying it's coming from the Sheriff Boy Scout. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. Boy Scout is.

The Academy, the little police academies. Okay. And nobody's going to mess with those packages. If you see a package say the police academy sent this, people is not going to touch that. Right. You know, it's going to make it through. So it was crazy, man. And we didn't know how many packages he sent until his wife kept telling us.

She was giving us enough information just to strangle us alone. But she wasn't telling us everything. Do you know any of the people that got knocked off? No, personally. Okay. But you're here about it through her. She's like, they just did this, they just did that. Yeah.

Or I could see on Facebook family saying that their family just got knocked off from packages that they knew nothing about. And we put two and two together. And even this guy was such a scumbag. He would get his homies that had drug-related cases to go to his lawyer, get the lawyer on the case and they'll railroad them. They'll swap them out, you know? Because you know you're going to be real with your lawyer. Some people are going to tell their lawyer the truth and tell them everything. He's supposed to be fighting for you, the client privilege, you know?

Yeah. And he'll get some of his drug-related friends to go hire this lawyer and make the lawyer do the opposite for him. And they'll get credit for that too. Okay. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, I mean, you always hear the guy say the lawyer's like, look, I'll get this client to plead guilty,

but you've got to give this client some time off. Yeah. You got stop fighting me so hard. I'm trying to get this guy 20 years. Let's get him down to 10, and I'll convince this guy to fucking plead guilty to seven. Or, you know, you don't have nothing on him. Yeah. So, yeah, where they kind of work a deal.

I mean, I've always heard that. I don't know, you know, for sure. But I've heard it from, you hear it from so many people. You start to think, is that might be fucking true. Yeah. Who knows? It's sad. And the guy, his cousin, the guy that was setting up the packages, he had cases that he wanted to get resolved.

He didn't want to do no time. And his father had cases also. So he was telling a lawyer, hey, man, if I work with these people, they got to make it so my dad don't have to do no time and I don't have to do no time. You know what I'm saying? We're going to get them whatever they want to give them. But one thing I'm not going to do is take the stand on nobody. I give them all the information they want, all the leads they want just don't make me get on the stand. He wants his name clean in the streets.

He's playing on going back and still selling drugs. Yes. Yes. And his son ended up catching like 30 years also because they got the same name. And his son got crossed up in like a pill mill case. And it was really the father's case, though. But they got the same name. They look like he convinced them that it was his son and not him.

Yeah. And his son caught 30. I want to say he went to trial and loss. But it was sad, man. And he got one of his other cousins to write a letter to the judge and I guess go up there, talk to the prosecutors and tell him, hey, this wasn't this guy. It was his son. And he posted allegedly gave that guy a Maserati car to do that. And he gave him the car and took it back after the case was over.

Once he didn't get charged, he took the car back from his cousin. Like, thank you. But I need that car back. So, all right. So what happened with the, you? Your cousins setting up these people with the packages. Yeah. How long does this go on?

It went on for about, I'll say about six to eight months. Are the feds, who is this, DEA? Yeah, the DEA. Are they following your brother the whole time trying to connect him to gather evidence? Or are they just taking this guy's word for it? They're taking his word for it. Okay. They're taking his word for it.

He got in so good with him. One day he went to Applebee's and met with the DA agent. Right. And my brother knew about it. So what my brother did, he part like a couple blocks around the corner with some binoculars and just watching. No. And he's seen his cousin meet up with the DEA agent and they're going Applebee's. And he knows that's because of the wife.

Yeah. Yeah. The wife telling him everything. I'm talking about everything, anything and everything. She is mad with her husband. I don't know if he got caught cheating or what he, but she hate him at this point. Right. At least that's what we think, you know?

Right. Because when they eventually end up getting my brother and his two codees, she was the main witness. You know what I'm saying? She was going to be the one to free them because she knew about what they was doing with these packages and all this and all that. But she never made it to court because of the feds. Okay.

Yeah. So what happens with how? How long does this have gone? I'll say about a good, about a year and some change. About a good year and some change. Because it was sealed at first. We didn't know it was a real warrant active. We just thought it was speculation.

You know how when you hear some stuff. You're like, yeah, they don't got no evidence. They can't do nothing. You know what I'm saying? They're going off his word hearsay. I know that them is not my packages with my tracking numbers that he given them. So I ain't got nothing to worry about. But my brother was so paranoid that he, like I said, he wasn't no flamboyant dude.

He always thought. He thought ahead. So he was like, man, something going to come out of this. Right. I don't know what it's going to be, but something going to come out of it. And something came out of it. So, okay. What happened?

Okay. So now it's like we're just living, man. My brother's so, like, he's paranoid. And I'm talking about he don't talk on the phone. If he do talk to you on the phone, he's going to give you your own phone. And he switched them up every two weeks. He's going to be like, hey, man, I'm going to give you this phone. Don't call nobody else but me.

Just me and you going to talk on these phones. If you call anybody else, let me know. Get you another phone. So because when the feds got him, they didn't have no tap phones or nothing. Like, they didn't have none of that. They didn't have him on the phone. They followed him around a couple times, but they don't see nothing. Right.

You know what I'm saying? He knew how to move. I can give that to him. But it's like you can't beat somebody framing you, man. It's hard. And if you got the DEA, believe in everything they give you, because you're giving them some stuff that's credible. So they're going to be like, hey, I believe what you tell me.

And they was building their case, building their case. And like I say, he had two codees. And I think they end up getting a little dirt on them. And that's what caused the conspiracy. Because you know, in a conspiracy, if they got one person dead to the right and you conspired with them, you wrong too. You know what I'm saying? And it was just, it was a lot going on.

I remember one time we shot a music video and Wachula, it's called Warning. We shot a music video because I was, like I say, I'm the artist. My brother, he was promoting me because we got into the music. First it was just to wash money, clean money up. You find the easy way you can go put money in the bank and say, and say, hey, I made $60,000 from doing a concert. Nobody could come to the concert, but they can't count that. You know what I'm saying?

So we were doing a music video, and the whole time we're doing this music video, the fed is watching. They're down the road watching us do this music video. We don't know they're there. Right. But we found out they was there because they told us. And we were throwing shows like we brought Nikki Minaj, Gucci Man, man, OJ.J. the Juice, man, Webby, Mystical. We did a lot of shows. And as we doing these shows,

like towards the end, them people is watching. They're there. You don't know they're there, but they're there. You don't know how they look. You don't know nothing, but they know how you look and they know who they're there for. And it just got crazy, man. Like, everybody was just suspect. You don't know who to trust. And the girl just was telling my brother so much that I don't know how he just stomached all of it, man. It was crazy. It was crazy. And the whole time, the guy who's setting up the packages, he out.

He want people to deal with him. He's going to find new people to deal with him. And as they dealing with him, he's putting the feds on their trail. Like, he'll bill you up to tear you down. Right. He's still conducting business. He's just building a case the whole time. So he's able to continue to sell drugs.

Like, they're letting him sell drugs. Yeah. As long as he's setting everybody up, documenting it all, at some point they can take them all down. Yeah. And to it, he go down. Right. And it doesn't sound like he's going to go down at all.

It's not like he's doing any time. Yeah, he don't want to. Right. But, you know, it eventually comes back around. You're always going to do some time. Like, if you're people like, oh, you look at, he was looking at 30 years and he told on some people and didn't do any time. No, he's still going to do some time.

They're like to just let you walk. And maybe if you were, if you were looking at three years. Yeah. And you gave him some people. people, you might walk. But you're probably, if you're looking at 30, you're probably going to, you'd have to have to have a team, yeah, you'd have to do a, it'd have to be a major fucking. A murder. It got to be a murder.

Something for you to walk away from that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's crazy. This man was setting up people who really trust him that really had trust for him, that really fool with him. He was back doing them.

He didn't care who you. was. And the people who didn't know, and this was the sad part about it, the people who didn't know what he was doing, they was coming to do business with him. Then they were getting knocked off out of nowhere. And they don't know how or why or what. I know it was one guy one time that he poured up to this guy house for something. He had a GPS. Like this is how the feds monitor him. They put a GPS. Insurance isn't a one-size-fits-all, and shopping for it shouldn't feel like squeezing into something that just doesn't fit. That's why drivers have enjoyed progressives' name-your-price tool for years.

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You know? Right. Or he'll tell them, hey, I just went over here and did this, gave this person this or they want this. And I'll say he knocked off like 10 people like that all over, not just in central Florida. outside of Central Florida. Like he, he was a scumbag.

What's the DEA? They're national. Yeah, they're everywhere. They're everywhere. Can't get around them. So how long does this go on until they eventually put together a case and take everybody down? Yes, like I say, it went on for like. You said about 18 months.

Yeah, about 18 months. About a good 18 months, you know, but he was already dirty, though. my brother didn't know he was dirty. He was already dirty. He just had to think of a way that he can get the dirt off him and put it on everybody else. Because even in the court, in the court system, they asked the DA, hey, how is the guy y'all getting all your information from?

How is he credible when he's one of the biggest drug dealers too? Y'all didn't arrest him? Why you didn't lock him up? Right. You know who? And it just didn't make sense because it's like y'all coming after these people. When you got this guy over here, he's doing way more than these people. And y'all just taking information from them locking these guys up.

That's how it works. It's a messed up system. And yeah, it went on like 18 months. We didn't know when they was coming, how they was coming, who they were. We just felt like everybody we didn't know was the feds. Right. We see somebody be a nice guy or we might see a person more than one time. We're like, bro, that's the feds.

Everybody was the feds. We just lived that life like that. Like, everybody was the feds and they come in anytime. But we just knew what he was doing. See, my brother felt like he was ahead because he knew what this guy was doing. Right. So he went to put a retainer on a lawyer. Great lawyer.

I thank you from Fort Lauderdale. Big lawyer, he wouldn't have got him and this lawyer don't play no games, man. And he told him, hey, don't worry about nothing, whatever happened. I got you covered. And I guess it was just the timing. So after like the 18-month run, they start revealing their self a little more now. Like we on you. We got enough to get you.

But you know how I go. They're going to get you when they're ready for it. get you. It don't matter. They'll show you that they're watching you, but you never know when they're going to get you for real. Right. I don't know, man. It's crazy. Just thinking about it, just like, wow. If I had to knew what I knew now, then maybe I could have spoke some wisdom into my brother like, man, get gone, far gone. But he felt like he was ahead of the game. Yeah, he knew. Exactly. But you never ahead. No way possible.

Yeah. Like you said, if you can make all the right moves and you're giving them nothing, but it doesn't matter, somebody else is setting you up. They're creating all of this evidence against you that you don't even know about. So when you get arrested and they start showing you, you're like, that's not me. That's not me. Well, that's what everybody else is saying. It is you. And they're going to get on the stand.

They're going to say it's you. So how do you defend against that? We've got four people saying, no, he's the one who told me to call these people. and have this shipped here and this guy got bused he had he's the one who you know i mean you've got a bunch of drug cases yourself so you can't get on the stand because if you get on the stand you they're going to bring up your drug all your drug convictions and so you're already now you're guilty already because you're a drug dealer why wouldn't we believe all these guys and you got the u.s attorney saying it's you yeah and you got we got all these photographs of you driving

around going to the same kinds of places this is your cousin your cousin's ready to testify these people, even if he doesn't testify. You'd never, you'd just, you're just kind of be doomed. You'd be like, I might as well, might as well try and get my fucking sentence down and plead guilty to 20 instead of doing 50. Yeah. Or life. Because that was the offer. The offer was like, it was, I think it was 10 at first.

Then they superseded it. Turned it to 20. So I remember one day, I tell my brother, I'm like, man, take the 10. Yeah, take the 10. And he was like, you. you take it. And I was like, I ain't doing it here. You know what I'm saying?

He's like, well, you take that 10. And I was like, nah. He's like, man, I'm going to take it to trial. Because you know, this thing, certain street dudes think about trial. They think even if I lose, I can come back on the appeal. Yeah, if you take a plea, you're kind of, you're giving out, you're admitting to what you did and you're,

at least you go to trial, you're reserving your right to appeal it. If you plead guilty, you lose that right. So you're basically stuck with that sentence. Yeah. So when did they take your brother down? How does that? Okay, this is how it happened. One day, me and my brother, we're just vibing.

We had a little country town called Avon Park. It's right outside of Artula. But he's speeding, because that's what he do. He always speed, no matter what. He is a speed demon. So we're speeding. We get pulled over. me and him, you know, we're just vibing.

He'll type the joke about anything. It could be the serious thing in the world. He's going to find a joke about it. So we're in a car. We're sitting there for like 45 minutes. And we're wondering like, man, if we just got caught for speeding, why aren't we sitting here so long? So I mean, the cop approached you already and got his information, went back to the car?

Yeah, he did that. So you think he's writing up a ticket, but it doesn't take 45 minutes. Yeah. They're waiting for the other cars. That's what they're waiting on. So my brother asked him. like, hey, man, is everything all right? What's going on?

And the cop, like, he's a good cop. Like, I ain't going to say, speak bad about him because he was not negative or rude or nothing. Right. He was like, yeah, man, I'm just trying to see what's going on because it's showing a warrant. I really like a warrant? Like, yeah, it's showing that it's a federal warrant. But it's sealed or something like that.

So we're like, what? my brother looked at me and said, I told you, because I ain't believe it, bro. I ain't believe it. I'm like, bro, these people ain't got you. They ain't got nothing on you, man. Whatever he's doing, he's doing, man.

So when he told my brother that, my brother and me and my brother in the car, I'm like, go. Hit it. Let's go. You feel me? We're wrapped by the county line anyway. Right.

Because he can't come across this county line. So he's like, man, glow stick. He called me glow stick. He's like, glow stick. And I'm tired, man. Like I'm tired, bro. Tired that I can't sleep. And I'd rather them get me like this

then come kick my door down in front of my kids. Right. Because that's something they'll live with forever. You know? And when he said that, I gained another respect for him. I'm like, damn, you manned up. Because I know you don't want your kids to live with that. They're kicking your door down guns everywhere in the kids' face.

And they're seeing them take you out. and handcuffs, and you got little girls. So I know that's going to be on their mind for a long time. So like you said, they was waiting on the other cars. So probably like about 20 minutes later, the feds came. It was only two, three of them. They poured up. When they pulled up, they're playing my song, warning.

And this was crazy to me. Because they're like, hey, we don't want you, man. You're just a little petty. I tell her, we don't want you. They called me by my four name, the handcuffed my brother. He was like, oh yeah, I got your song. I like it. You're a good rapper.

I'm like, man, I don't want to hear all that. You know what I'm saying? But he's playing a song warning. And this is the same song that they tried to get me indicted on saying that I was threatening the DEA agent. So it was crazy because when I went to court, I couldn't go in. And I'm like, why can't I go in? because they just told me I couldn't go in.

So I drove all the way to Fort Myers, couldn't get in court. So at the court, my brother called me. He was like, yeah, man, you can't go in, bro. They got you on the case saying your lyrics, you're threatening the DEA aging. So I'm like, man, what? I ain't never said nobody named direct. Right. But he told me, he said, don't worry about it.

My lawyer is going to handle it. What did the lyric saying specifically just... Okay, I had a song called Snitches and Ditches. And then I had a song called Warning. Wanting just to warn you. We will harm you. It's getting hot, yes, he'd. Every charge he beat it and the evidence deleted.

Fuck, nigger, the people. Niggers yelling and they tell him for they get the central booking, breaking down, shit and tears, Ricky, you're a fucking pussy. So basically, the deed. The DA said that it's a part of the son to say, you can run and tell, ponytail, and tuck your tail because it's tail that I tell ain't no fairy tale. And the feds know you very well.

So how to hell? You're doing all this selling and you ain't in jail. So they gave the federal DA do a name because he had a ponytail. He wore a ponytail. So I guess by him hearing that little line about ponytail, he said that I was sending a threat because the name of the song was called Warning. And the album was called Court Dates and Caskets. Okay.

Yeah. But I didn't send no direct threats to the D.A. I'm not that stupid. Right. You know, it was snitches and ditches. Right. It was for the snitches. We went for the D.A.

So after the lawyer... But they've added you to the indictment? Yeah, I had the papers. I was going to bring them, but I didn't want to bring. It was too much. Right. So, but it had my lyrics. It had that they had...

They had my Facebook post. They had pictures of me and my brother. They had my faith. There was hounding my Facebook and my Instagram. And they took my quotes from my lyrics, put it in. But, you know, the First Amendment is freedom of speech. So the judge said, hey, man, we're not adding this dude in about no music. We hear about drugs.

Right. So after they lift that around about the third day in court, I can come now. Right. I'm in there. And I'm seeing it still, exhibit one. They got my lyrics, my Facebook. They showing stuff. I'm like, whoa, I'm in here.

I don't know what to think. But it was just they showing all this and all that. They're showing records of people going to California coming back. This is the first court date because the first court date, it was a hung jury. What do you mean the first? You mean, he went to court? I mean trial. Yeah, trial.

Okay. So these are court days. Court date. This is trial. So he goes to trial, you're not allowed to come. Yeah, I can't come. Okay. At first. The first trial. The first trial. The first couple days of the first trial. I couldn't come because they was, I guess, was trying to. Once he was arrested real quick, once he was, once he was arrested, did he ever get out on bond? No, no, never let him out. No bond. And how long was the trial? From the arrest. Um, no, the actual trial itself. Was it five days, two days? I'll say the trial took about a week. About a week. Yeah, the first. trial. Did your cousin testify against him at the trial? He didn't have to testify. Okay, but other people did. Other people did. The feds went and got other people. Do those people know your brother? Were they really people that knew him? It was like one or two people that knew him that knew him that two people that knew him that two people. Okay. And the rest didn't know him. He didn't know them. He didn't know them and they didn't know him. They just said that they bought drugs from him through other people. Right. They knew that the drugs were coming from him. Exactly. And someone made up lies. Maybe it seemed like they'd be. bought directly from him. And it was crazy because his co-defendant, he had two codees. Matter of fact, it was three. They added one guy to the conspiracy that nobody knew.

Right. From Gainesville, Cal or something. Nobody knew. He said it in court. I don't even know these guys, but he was in a conspiracy. But he took his tin and got out of there. He took it. So the other two codees.

You could have been sitting in. The other seat. I'm blessed. That's all I can say. I'm blessed. And I'm thankful every day. You know what I'm saying? And the other two codees, one of the guys, his daughter had to come testify.

Because his daughter got caught up in one of the packages or some kind of way where she had to testify on her own dad. And that was hard, man. That kind of sunk him. Because when she got up there and she said, I posted. be my daddy's little princess, and he got me connected with this type of stuff and broke out crying, you know what's going to happen. Oh, they hate him. Yeah, they hate him.

And now what was that? Like, he was, hey, baby, I'm going to, I'm going to, I got the, I got a shipment of something coming. I need to send it to your apartment. You know, just sign for it. Something crazy. I don't know how it went. And it showed up. And then she signed.

But now you're part of this. And people think. That's not a big deal. Yeah, yeah, ship it to my house. Yeah, they don't really know. Well, I'm just picking a package. No, no, you're now part of a conspiracy to import 200 pounds of whatever. And you're like, the fuck?

Yeah. I signed for a fucking package. I didn't know what was in it. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I think they gave her like 20 years probation. Oh, probation? Yeah, she got that. But that was in for her to testify that, you know.

Yeah. They coerced her to, you know. And she's a lady. a lady ain't trying to do no hard time, man. Yeah, she probably got a kid or two. Got a couple kids. And the other guy, they got somebody to make up some stuff on him also.

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have to. He had earned that much credibility that his word was that good. Right. And he didn't have to testify. So the first trial took like a week. And he had one of the best lawyers, man, Bradford Cohen. And he was beating their ass when I tell you, he was not playing. So this was what happened, though.

It was a hung jury. So we're thinking, hey, we won. You know what I'm saying? It don't work like that. No, they just retry. Yeah. It has to be not guilty. Yeah.

But to make it a hung jury was good, though. No, no. Usually they'll come with a plight. plea or with a much better plea because their fear is that they might lose next time. The mistrial, yeah. Yeah. So usually they come and say, hey, listen, five years, you've already done two, we already did a year. You can take the drug program.

You get a year off. You'd be out of here in a year and a half. 18 months. You could do 18 months. Come on, man. No. No. No.

Did they come to him with a plea? No. No. They said, fuck it. We're doing it again. This is what happened. So when we got the mistrial. I'm thinking that's good, that's better than guilty.

So I'm like, okay, maybe they'll give them a bun or let them out. If they're not going to try them again, like you said, or thinking about the plea or whatever, they weren't going for that. They say, hey, we're going to retrial these guys. After their mistrial, everybody outside court, the DEA come to the people that's sitting up there, the jurors or whatever. And he asking them, hey, why did y'all say,

Not guilty. The people who picked not guilty, why did y'all pick not guilty? What did we do wrong? What didn't we prove to make everybody say guilty? Because, you know, he don't post to talk to them. Nobody post to talk to the jurors on each side because that accompanies the interest. So he talked to them. He was out there questioning these people. Then he came over there to us to like the family members and stuff, introduced to itself. He came directly to me, tried to shake my hand, so I'm not shaking your hand. Trying to give my brother a life sentence. He's like, hey, man, I don't want no problems with you. I'm just doing my job. You know, because he thinks that I'm threatening him with the music. Right. I'm like, bro, I don't got no problem with you, but I'm not shaking your hand. Because you're trying to hide my brother.

So this way it get creepy. Okay, mistrial. Now, they're suiting up for another trial. The same girl that was giving my brother all the information. her husband and a lawyer convinced her, hey, go hire the same lawyer that he got for something petty. I think she had like a traffic tick. It was something small.

But when she hired that lawyer, conflicted him out. Boom. They kicked them off the case. Yeah. So now your powerhouse is over with. I'm talking about this guy is so powerful. that when they got him off the case, they knew that it was over with.

So it made my brother go back, get another counsel or whatever. And now it's the second trial. You know, you understand that, Colby? Yeah, I didn't follow the connection, but yeah, they can't have a conflict of interest. Yeah, it can't be a conflict of, and it can be as little as you scheduling an appointment with the lawyer. So you can, you know, a lot of guys, this is funny. The only time I've ever seen him talk about this is the Sopranos. where Tony Soprano knows his wife is thinking about divorcing him.

So he calls all the high-powered divorce attorneys in the state and schedules appointments with them. And so when she turned around and starts to go look for lawyers, every one of them is like, oh, you're Meadow. Not Meadow. I forget her name. Whatever, Ms. Soprano. They're like, oh, no, I'm sorry.

I actually have a scheduled appointment with your husband. So I can't accept yours. Like, she's like, yeah, yeah, but you haven't even met with him. Yeah, it don't matter. Doesn't matter. And he could not even show up. Wow. You're done.

We're done. There can be no conflict of interest. There can't be a any type of overlapping interest of any kind. And so, yeah, that's all you have to do. And if you've actually hired the person before, you basically have to get the clients to agree and you have to agree that it's not a conflict of interest. You can sometimes the judge will be like, eh. If it's not important, I don't know that they would do that with a criminal case that's this serious. I don't even know if they'd allow that.

Yeah, so that's what it was, that's when my brother started thinking like. She started thinking I'm fucked? Yeah. Okay. Because he knew. This devious. Once she hired that lawyer, he knew that she wasn't for him like that no more. Right.

You got to question everything she's ever said at this point. And she supposed to come to be on the stand, you know, because she was. You don't know what she's going to say. You don't know what she's going to say. But she kept playing the road, though. Like, yeah, I'm going to tell the truth. I'm going to help him out, this and that. But this is your husband, too, now at the same time that we're thinking about.

You're going to do all this against your husband? This is what I was telling my brother. I'm like, bro, I don't trust her. Like, man, my life on the line. It's my age in the hole. Even if I don't trust her, I got a kind of truster. Because it's all I got to fight with. So she posts to come get on a trial, I mean on a stand.

So she don't show up. Okay. We wonder what happened? The feds paid her not to show up and got her body done. So what they did is got her body done. What does that mean? They got her body done. You know when the girls go get the BBLs and all that.

They went and got her BBL and made it so she couldn't come. So if she's in surgery, how are you going to come to court? There's no way you can make it to court if you're in surgery. So they went and dropped a couple of bands on her, got her surgery, right around the time she was supposed to come to court. And when she don't show up, the whole audio about them framing you. Right. It's thrown out. It's nothing.

Because the person who recorded it ain't there saying, yeah, I recorded this. I witnessed them saying that they're going to rehearse this to frame these guys. It was just like a myth then. It was, you know, and then she stopped answering and all that. Everything it was like. And then what's crazy about it is her husband end up turning, getting her indicted. Okay. with a fraud case

What kind of fraud? I think it was Was it It wasn't full stamp fraud It was some kind of fraud that she did That she caught A federal charge Because she came to see him

And they kept her They locked her up Right Like it was like you ain't leaving here We got charges on you But he got her locked up So this whole time he's in custody No

No Okay No The cousin? No Okay No, he's still out saying people up. Yeah, I don't know.

You said when she showed up to go see him. Oh, yeah, that was, he had end up getting locked up. Yeah, okay. At the end, he ended up getting locked up because what happened was the federal agent that was acting like we brushing everything on the rug for you. He ended up catching a charge. It made it. That audio made it to somebody higher than them in a different jurisdiction. And he got locked up.

up and the lawyer got locked up. Then he flipped on a lawyer. Okay, well, so what happens with the second trial? Oh. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. And they sentenced your brother to life.

Life. Well, you know, they don't sentence you right then. Yeah, yeah. You come back. Three, six months later, yeah. A year later? Like a month later. Oh, a month later, that's quick.

Okay. They weren't playing. Okay. They came back a month later, told him life plus 20. So he's got to die and come back and do 20 more years. Yeah, some kind of way. So, and so when do you hear that the lawyer and the agent get locked up? Around the time, it was right before the end of the trial.

They end up getting locked up because like I said, that the girl ended up getting locked up too. So it was like rat at the end at the end of trial. They end up blocking my brother, cousin up, and a lawyer. But they tried to flip it all on a lawyer. Like, this man didn't have no love. He tried to flip it all on the lawyer. And they both caught like two or three. And that's it.

Two or three years. Yeah, two, three years. And they was red-handedly sending packages with work any. Yeah, but that's clearly that if they got locked up, that you would think that that would not be a mistrial because he already been found guilty, but that would be grounds to appeal the case, right? Yeah. I knew a guy that his DEA agent, well, he wouldn't even really a DEA agent.

He was a, well, I guess he was. He was a, so, you know, the DEA will come in and form like a task force, and they'll grab some of the, like the drug agents from the local counties or police stations, whatever, they'll grab them and they'll deputize them as a DEA agent. So they have a badge. You know, they're a task force agent, but they're not really a DEA agent, right? They still work for the county or for this, or for this, uh, the, um, the city or whatever, but they, they're working with the DA.

So that's what this guy was like a DEA agent. And he had lied, gone to the grand jury and he and another, and his informant had gone and lied. to the grand jury in order to get my buddy, his name's Dennis Coroni, indicted. Wow. Dennis Corroney goes to trial. And when he's found guilty, the next day they indict, the federal government indicts the DEA agent that got him indicted. Wow. Then the DEA agent goes to trial.

And the second day of trial, when he knows that his confidential informant, who also got indicted, was going to testify that he'd been fucking her. You know, his wife's in the, in the, you know, so he knows this is what's going to happen. Yeah. The first day, the doctors had gotten on the stand and it said, yeah, he's always coming around. We knew what was going on, blah, blah, blah. So the next day he knows that the CI or confidence she's going to get on the stand. She's going to say, I was fucking him. Instead of going that day, that morning he wakes up and he takes a revolver and he goes into his back.

He has like a shed in the backyard. He goes into the shed in the backyard and boom, blows his brains up. It did several things. One, it kept his pension intact for his wife, right? Yeah, because he's still technically, he's not fired. he's been indicted but he's still on the payroll but he's not getting paid but he still he's still so they have to pay her you know if you're found guilty then they could not pay her anything so that that's one thing and two because he's he's never found guilty yeah he's never found guilty he died yeah so anyway so

he also i'm sure he wouldn't want to embarrass his wife in the whole day so he ends up killing himself but uh you know and you would think that my buddy dennis who went to prison you'd think he'd be able to say hey you indicted that you know why they're indicted him for lying to the grand jury. Wow. You're indicting this guy for lying to the grand jury about my case. I never should have been indicted because he's lying. Yeah, he lied.

Nope. That means nothing. You still get 19 years ago to prison. Even though they found out he lied and made up all that. Doesn't matter. Your brother went to prison. Didn't the, didn't you just get indicted?

Or didn't they have a tape saying we're going to send the fucking shit and set up people? Yeah. Same thing. Your brother's still went to prison. Yeah. People think, here's the problem, people watch the TV show Law and Order. And they think that every U.S. attorney or D.A. Or, sorry, or DA is Jim McCoy.

That's the guy on Law & Order. They think that when that McCoy really just wants justice. And when he finds out that somebody lied in the trial and you're not really guilty, he wakes the judge up at 2 o'clock in the morning, says, your honor. It turns out that he's not guilty and he's in jail. Sign this. We have to get him out immediately. Call the warden. But that's not what happened. What McCoy really does is say, keep your fucking mouth shut. I'm sure he did something. What's the big deal? That's what they really do is they say, yeah, but but the witness, he's lying and we found, shut your fucking

mouth. He was found guilty in a court of law. He's guilty. Let him figure that out. That's what they really do. So, but people don't, and I get it. I love All In Order. It's a good show. I want it to be that way. I want to believe in McCoy. Yeah. You know.

But you know. Yeah, I know. You wrote some fucking music and you're on an indictment. Facts. You know? And that was crazy. Like three years I had to look over my shoulder because I knew they knew who I was. You know what I'm saying?

It doesn't even matter if it's a direct fucking threat. Stop, bro. Stop, what does it matter? It's a fucking song. Come on, man. You know, it's stupid. That's not an indictable offense. It's just, that's just, that's just the, that's just the, that's just the feds being bullies.

Or at least that you, because I'm, there's lots of, there's lots of decent U.S. attorneys out there. I know many, many cases where that, that were literally the, the, the, the, the, um, U.S. attorney was, you know, I was locked up with a guy, a kid, really, 20, 19 years old. been arrested probably, fuck, 15 times for drugs. You know, he's selling drugs, but he's a drug addict. He's selling just, I mean, nothing. He's selling enough to keep himself supply with drugs.

And he's 19. His dad gets arrested. His dad's basically the one who's manufacturing the drugs, right? Talking about ice, manufacturing ice, in this little county in Georgia. And the U.S. attorney wants him to testify. And he goes in, they're like, oh, you're looking at like, 20 years. Yeah. You know, but, you know, we'll help you out if you. And he's like, no, and they pushed him. They pushed him. He's like, I'm sorry. I just can. I can't do that. I just can't. He's like,

I get it. I know what you're trying. They brought him in as the lawyer, everybody. His dad is even saying, you know, I think his name is Jeremy. His dad's even saying, look, bro, it's fine. His dad's going to go to trial because they're trying to give him like a life sentence. He's like 60 years old. They're trying to give him 30 years or something. And they're going to give him life if he goes to trial. So he's like, I'm just going to go to trial. I got a chance. his dad's even saying go ahead and just do it and he says no no no and then just before his PSI says he's supposed to get like 20 years because of his his record his record really's not even his involvement with his dad it's just his record and the and the u and the u.s. attorney at the

last minute when he went in front of the judge he said i were recommending 10 years and they're like he won't we believe he knows stuff he won't testify but it's his father i get it and the truth is your honor these are petty fucking crimes you know he's off the chart but they're petty he's just a drug addict and these are minor even his sales are minor yeah it's so you know that dude he didn't have to do that and i know he i was locked up with the guy the whole time i mean everybody people i've locked up with the guys on his case that was locked up with a guy on his case that was cooperating yeah and everybody even he was like now he's he's already told him u.s attorney's trying to get me to convince him to fucking testify and he's like i just

can't do it bro i can't he's like if it wasn't my dad it might be a different story but it's my dad um and yeah he ended up getting 10 years fucking thrilled I remember him getting 10 years and being thrilled about it which I get it I would be I was like oh my God it's better than 20 Yeah

430 yeah I was I was wonder what happened that kid I got two there's another guy His name was Michael Seagraves I always remember his name Seagraves that was the guy That was the guy that was cooperating in the case I was wonder what happened with him too

There was a couple guys you meet in there And you're kind of like At the time I was so fucking concerned about my own case. I, you know, see, I could probably look up, see, I don't know the other kid's name, Jeremy. Fuck, Jeremy was such a wreck. Yeah.

I don't know what happened. It'd be on their own pacer, though. Yeah, but all I know is Jeremy. All I know is Jeremy. I don't remember it. I know it was in the case, though, right? Yeah, I know Michael Seagraves. You're right.

If I look up Michael Seagraves, and I know it was in Georgia, and I know it was in the northern district of Georgia. Yeah. And I know the year, I probably could figure it out. Tom could probably figure it out. Tom's got jet the other probably go on pacer and figure it out I probably track down Jeremy if he's still alive bro he was a drug addict he he might not have made it through prison and he was a little kid yeah he's like a couple of

just he's probably five seven five eight and probably weighed a buck 30 damn and had gained weight because he was on ice yeah he was brutal too bro yeah he were brutal he's the one that told me he kept saying and I just want to just want to plead guilty and go to prison I just want, and I remember thinking he's the guy, this, I've said this to you before where I've been like, bro, why do you keep saying that? Like, don't you want to stay here as long as possible? He's like, bro, he said, prison is this sucks. He goes, prison is where it's at. He said, listen, bro. He said, if I get there in the morning, he said, by four o'clock count, I'll have some new shoes, my locker will be full of shit and I'll be eating an ice cream. He said, I want to walk the yard. I want to get out of here. We were in county jail.

Yeah, he's like, he's like, he said prisons where it's at. And so I started asking guys that have been in prison, like, is prison better than here? They're like, fuck yeah. Yeah, everybody just wants to get sentenced and go. And, yeah, I should probably try to look him up. I'm sorry. So I'm sorry about this. I know.

And people in the comments are, shut up, Matt, let you fucking guess talk. Fuck you. It's real. Fine. We got time. Anyway, go ahead. Sorry. Yeah.

So your brother. So the lawyer gets indicted. The DEA agent gets indicted. No, the DE agent, he don't. Just the lawyer and the cousin. Oh, lawyer and the cousin. What happened? But the DEA, he's involved in the whole thing.

He's in the mix. Oh, they protect their own. You know. You know. Yeah. Okay. So that's what happened. They look two, three years.

Get out. I don't know what happened to the lawyer. I know the reason why the lawyer was in on it. because he had a DUI. He had called a DUI, and he didn't want to mess up his license. License, yeah. So he was like, hey, man, if I can give y'all this and that, and we can give y'all dog food and ice

and packages coming from Cali to Florida, can y'all do something for me? And I guess they agreed to it. And so they call. Make a phone call. Yeah. And I guess they surrendered a couple. tracking numbers that was good, that was good hits. And these people, like my brother, end up catching a Life Plus 20. His two Cody's called Life Plus 20. So once your brother's in prison, what happens?

You ever go see him? Yeah. So I go see him multiple times all the way to Coleman, man. You know, I had to do a lot of paperwork, get approved. And he got me approved. He knew somebody in there. They got me improved. So I'm going up there every weekend because you, can only go on certain days, certain times. And certain times I ain't made the cut. Came too late, had to turn it all the way back around and drive back to Lakeland. And so when I get in there, I come seeing, you know, they make you go through the little metal of the tap there and all this.

They do a extreme precaution for you to get in there. It hit me with the little thing, the little light up thing. They put it on you, the little glowing or dark. What? Black light thing. they give you some kind of stamp that they put in and make sure. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So that you don't switch clothes with your brother and he walks out. Because that happened before. You didn't know that happened? That happened. A guy came in one time. This was at the, this was at the medium.

So at the medium, they have an outside area. You can go, they don't let you use it anymore. No. Because a guy had come in So with the clothes and swapped clothes with the inmate. And the inmate walked out with a group because they go in groups. Yeah. He sneaks him with a group and he walks out.

And he got all the way past, he got into the lobby. And another in the medium, another inmate saw what had happened, that they'd switch clothes somehow. And I think what they did was they, they, when you take photographs, they have like a backdrop. And these two guys, like, I think they either slip behind there and swap clothes really quick. Like the guy had the right colored pants on. So they just had to switch the shirt. Yeah.

And he swapped the, and they looked similar. And so the guy walks out with the group and he gets all the way into the second, the lobby, you know, how they walk. There's like a walkway. There's a lobby area. He got into the lobby when an inmate went to the guard and said, this inmate just switched clothes with another guy, and the inmate just walked out. Now, in his mind, he's thinking,

that's a get out of jail free card for me. I just stopped an escape. Anyway, they catch the guy. I've heard that they caught him in the parking lot, and I heard they caught him in the lobby. And so after that, they closed the, oh, that's what it was. He switched in the outside area. He switched clothes in a blind spot in the outside area.

That's what it was. Sorry. Not the, it's not the thing. That's where they used to have sex behind the curtain. Guys would fuck their wives behind them. Anyway, so, yeah, so they closed that area. And they caught him.

And that, that inmate that told on him, they put him in the shoe because people knew. Everybody in the visitation knew what he had done. So now you're a snitch and they're going to not like this guy was escaping. He got like a life sentence. He's escaping. You just fucking fucked him up. And so they put him in the shoe and they shipped him someone else. And I heard that at the next location that these guys got word to him and somebody stabbed him in the eye.

They were trying to stab him in both eyes, but he ended up fighting and everything. But they ended up getting like took one of his eyes out. Wow. And I don't know that he got any time off. So. But yeah, that that so they, I remember in the medium, they closed. it because at the low, you could actually go into the outside area. But then after that, they started doing the stamp.

Yeah. Because you couldn't get rid of it. I would think maybe you could rub the stampers about for whatever reason. It wouldn't rub off. And so when people would walk out, they'd check. Everybody. Yeah. Before they let you back in, because the way they do it is, they get you like you said by groups.

You come in and they got lines on the ground. You got to stand in between the lines, let the door open, close. then once they get everybody in the little between both lines, they walk you to the window, you get between other lines, they check the stamps. Okay, everybody got their stamps. Then they open the door.

You go in, they close you in, two locked doors, you sit there for a minute, then they let you out. It's a process. You're not getting out. Hell no. That's hard to get in.

Yeah. So you go to see your brother. Yeah, so now I go see my brother. When I get in, you know you have to wait until they come in. They, I guess, search them or whatever, bring them in. Yeah. So they got, because he in the pen, he and Coleman won. We inside, everything inside.

So they make us sit right in front of the desk every time. So it's like they money to him, my brother. So we're sitting right in front of the desk. So we're kicking it, we're talking. Sometimes I have my kids, sometimes I don't. And, you know, he's trying to talk to me because me and him got cold slains. We got a little talk. And he knew how to talk low.

I really don't know how to talk low. He taught me how to talk low. And there you have to talk low. So the guards, because they're e-hustling. So he's like, yeah, glow stick. Boy, in here, shit different. Something out there that go for $20 and he'll go for $2,300. So I'm like, damn.

for real. I'm intrigued now because it's money. Right. You're talking my language. And bro was making that bag, man. And he was making so much money inside and I'm struggling on the outside. Right. And I'm like, man, shit. That's when he called me.

He's all jolly. He wants to talk and tell me things. And I'm talking down. And he's like, man, what's wrong? I'm like, man, I ain't doing good out here, man. I'm struggling. You and they're doing good, you know? And he's like, man, they don't.

matter how good I'm doing in here. The best day of my life in here is the worst day ever. So your worst day on the outside, it's still better than my best. It's still better than my best day. A million of my best days. You know what I'm saying? But I'm looking at it like, well, you're making money. You're making a lot of money. You know what I'm saying? Because like I said, something that's on the outside costs $20. It's $20 for me to get. But inside to him, that's $400. dollars for that same $20 piece whatever it is and he ran it up i'm talking about ran it up so bad that people sending money can't even send western union no more because so much money done been sent different places and cash shops closed and what because people are sending you money for him

it's going all kind of ways right because you said your your PayPal got shut no PayPal or something got shut up down because you were you were you're sending money to different people yeah it's so much money getting sun around you know and it's like in my mind i'm like how in the hell is he generating much money yeah and it didn't make sense to me but you know it's a different world in there they know how they're doing their thing and they got it already well the guards too you get a lot of stuff in the pen because the guys in the the guards know the guys in the pen some of these guys went to trial they're not telling they're not going to tell all they're not even going to tell on me fix so if this guy will

is wants me to bring in some you know dog food this much dog food and he's going to pay me i'm to buy it for two hundred dollars or shit he'll get a family member to give it to me yeah and i'll bring it in my lunchbox give it to him he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna give me two thousand dollars it's worth 200 he's going to give me two grand he's going to sell it for four grand or 10. Yeah. He's going to fucking cut it up into little slimy slices or whatever.

And I can do this and I can supplement my fucking, my $50,000 a year and make myself another $40,000 with a guy that if he gets caught, he'll just go to the shoe. He won't tell on me. Yeah. So, yeah. And that's big in there, man. Like everybody living by the cold.

Cell phones. You have cell phones, drugs, tobacco. Yeah. Anything. And like I said, they got, they certain people that done made it known that I'm not snitching. Yeah, no matter what. Right. And they're relying on that.

Well, yeah. I mean, I'm, I guess I'm kind of just thinking that that these guys are, you know, they've got cell phones. They've got, they've got it. Not that you have everything you need in there, but they're able to make money. There's guys sending money back home to family. They're, I mean, you know. but Jess used to talk about my wife because she was in the camp, you know, it's so easy to get stuff in and out of the camp because they're leaving.

They're taking care of all the prisons. You know, they're mowing the yards to all the prisons. And their family would just go and, hey, I'm dropping this off by that big oak tree. And you'd go and just pick up some fucking shit and they bring it in and they all had cell phones. And they all had everything that they ever wanted. But, yeah, those, the COs are just, the COs are concerned. they're concerned about getting harmed themselves. Not that if they,

if I don't bring this and you'll harm me, but just in general, like they don't really care so much about what the inmates are doing as far as drugs and, you know, drugs, weapons and cell phones. What they're more concerned about is keeping them from stabbing us.

Yeah. You know, let's keep them happy in this world that they're, that they run. so that they don't attack us. And because I'm just not getting paid enough. I'm making $35,000 the first year. You know, if I work overtime in five or six years,

I can be making $80,000 a year, but I can be making another $30,000 or $40,000 if I bring in a little bit of stuff that's so minor. And I'm not going to get charged. What I'm going to get charged is I'm going to lose my job. Yeah. Which kind of sucks anyway. So they don't charge them physically?

Typically almost, they almost never. Like they'll just fire. Not that they don't get, some guys get charged, right? It depends on how egregious it is. But we're talking about minor amounts they're bringing in. It's huge in the pen. But for this guy, it's $200. And a lot of, yeah, it's like it's nothing.

What are you going to charge me with? You know, even then I'm probably not going to jail. I might lose my job. Even if I get charged, what am I going to do? Three years probation. Yeah. And I won't be a corrections officer again. Fuck, I know guys that have been doing this for fucking eight years.

These guys are making 40. They're making overtime. They're making $80,000 working overtime. And they're making another $40,000 bringing in bullshit. And even if the guys get popped inside by some miracle, SIS ends up popping them. And even if they get a charge, the FBI picks it up and charges them, they're still not going to cooperate against us because he's got two life sentences. Yeah. Changes nothing.

He would rather take. that charge, get the additional time, which means nothing, and they'll ship him to another pin. And when he gets to the other pin, the first thing that's going to happen when he gets there on his jacket is everybody in that pen, all the CEOs in that pin know, this motherfucker got caught on a charge where people were bringing in additional drugs, which we know were the COs. And he wouldn't even cooperate against the COs. That's a huge rep. All the COs now think he's cool too. Yeah. Like, there's no benefit for him to cooperate.

Hey, we're going to knock one of those life sentences off here. So you'll only have to do two. Wow. Still two. Pretty cool. Yeah, they don't play that shit. No. They don't play that snitching.

Because when I was in there at visitation with my brother, he would just like, you know, lacing me up on certain people in there. Right. Like, hey, bro, this such and such right here, he do this, he do that. He got two life sentences. Or this dude over here, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, He's been down 15 years. He get it in.

But shit, he got three life sentences. Oh, this dude over here, he's going to go home soon. But shit, he might not make it home because he got rivals in here with these people. You know what I'm saying? Everybody live off their reputation in them. It's a whole different world. It's a different world. And if your PSI ain't right, you just better stay away because they're going to try to come and get you.

They're going to get you. A couple years past, he was at Coleman in the pen. He's fighting his appeal. Right. And I want to say that it's looking good for him. Because he'd been in there, what, like, eight years going on nine. So the appeal was going to, if he went to appeal, he was going to get 10 times served. So he was right at the door.

Then the next thing you know, I get a phone call. Hey, your brother dead. Who called you? One of his other cousins, one of our mutual. Right. Yeah. And I'm like, at this time, I got my producer down from North Carolina. He came down.

We at the house. We making music. Everything good. Gloomy. We hanging out. You know what I'm saying? And I get that phone call. And I knew something was wrong because it was like eight different people call me.

And I'm like, these people here don't never call. me. What's going on? So I called one of them back. And like, man, you are right? I'm like, yeah? Well, wouldn't I be right? Man, your brother dead. And I'm like, what? He dead. Like, I'm thinking this done

been like a ride or something. Right. So I'm like, how did he die? Oh, he was on the yard playing football and he got tackled, broke a rip, punctured his lung. he didn't get no help. So I was like, what you mean? He ain't get no help.

Like, the COs, nobody didn't help him. They didn't, because I guess they don't send nobody in the pen outside to the hospital. Right. Because it's a, you know. Security issue. Exactly. So I guess they felt like he was just boy cry wolf. Right.

And he's throwing up, I'm talking to people in there with him now. Like, yeah, he was throwing up green stuff and throwing up blood and stuff. And I guess he got a hold of his mom. And when his mom came, they wouldn't let her see him. He was already dead. Right. So they pronounced him dead the next day, but he was already dead. Right.

And everybody was just asking, like, why nobody gave him medical attention? Why nobody gave him medical attention? Because this so much goes on in the prison. people are going to act like they did so that. Just try to get out sometimes. And I guess they was trying to sue the feds, but they're like, you can't beat the feds. Yeah, they'd have to prove, I mean,

that seems like a slam dunk case, but it's really not, right? Like, you have to really, really, and you have to get a lawyer, and the lawyer knows they will drag this out for a decade. And then in the end, you could only get so much. and I'll have incurred all of that in fees that I have to put up because you're not going to pay. You're not going to pay me half a million dollars to fight this for the next fucking 10 years.

And in the end, what are we going to get? $6,000, $700,000 at most. I got to take, and I'll take all that because you owe me this back. Yeah, you owe me all this money. Facts. You're going to get nothing. That's if we win. And that's still a big if.

So, yeah, it's almost impossible. Because it's like this. The government, the feds is the government. So you're going to fight the government against the government. Right. And that makes sense. Yeah. You're looking for the court system to represent you against the Bureau of Prisons, which is the Department of Justice.

And so it's one branch of the government supposedly protecting you against the other. Yeah. So they're all cousins. They're all in cahoots. Yeah. And then in the end, they're basically probably deep down they're probably thinking this guy's got a life sentence like he's dying in there anyway you know shouldn't have been playing football that's you know what I'm

saying like it's very easy they'll brush it off because inmates are not you know they don't have the same rights and people don't think of them as the same I can't tell you guys I knew they got locked up and people had like gone in and literally as soon they got locked up within a week or so their own family sometimes went in their house and just stole everything they had and then they would say, well, you know, I tried to call the police and say, hey, man, like this, my family or, or not even my family, my neighbors stole all this up. And we're talking about, we're talking about going in and cutting your, your air conditioner units and taking your $5,000 grill or your, because these guys that have this kind of money, right? Like they got, they don't have stuff that's in my house, which is you could rob my house and I'm out a couple grand. You know what I mean? These guys, like everything they have is five grand, eight grand, seven grand, grand, 10 grand. And so they wiped me out for $100,000. And, and stuff. And so you're calling the police or you're trying to write letters to the police to get somebody to take a police report. And they're like, oh, you're locked up in prison?

No, we're not coming. We don't even respond. Yeah, but they robbed me. Then, yeah, but you're an inmate. Yeah, but I still have rights. Well, kind of. No, you don't. No, you know.

So you have rights if you can convince us to send a cop out there and spend the whole day to try and get in to talk to you so we can end up taking a police report. that will never follow up on. Like, this is ridiculous. Do your time. Hmm. It's a horrible situation. Yeah, it is. And it's just crazy because like,

my brother was my biggest motivator, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, he believed in me, especially with my music. Like I said, when we got into the music world, it was just a cover up. It was just a clean money. Mm-hmm.

You know. Yeah, but that's how death row record started. Yeah. They're cleaning money and then they find out, then suddenly Snoop Dog has the fucking, the biggest album ever to come out and fucking, they're like, oh, shit. Like, we're just trying. Like, this is actually not helping us, really.

Like, the guy's making a ton of fucking, and then the next fucking album. And then they bring in somebody else. They're like, holy shit, we could turn this into something. Fax. Tupac King. Yeah. Yeah. They weren't expecting that.

Yeah. And I went to, I stayed pushing with the music. He was just, like, trying to assist from being locked. up and it really went in working how I was working with him being outside. So when I got my first big break, I did a record with Rick Ross. Okay. And my brother wasn't surprised. And I'm thinking, I can't wait to talk to my brother.

Boy, I can tell him I got a son with Rick Ross. He's going to be happy. You know, he went happy. And I'm like, damn, it kind of a low blow to me. I'm like, bro, I done did something. He's like, bro, that ain't. appealing to me. You better than that. Like, he ain't going to help you. My brother told me. I'm like, hey, he is? You know what I'm saying? This rebroad? He's like,

you'll see. He's like, man, that's competition. It's going to be considered competition. When see, find out how good you is or, you know what I'm saying, you ain't just no regular Joe Blow, that it ain't going to be what you think. And he was right. He'd be right 99% of the time, you know, but I just wish he was out, you know. and living, and it'll be much bigger, man. It's just sad how people can frame people and do all these things to people. Because you know how many innocent people it is in jail or prison.

It's a few of them. Yeah, there's a few that are innocent. I think that the misconception is this, is that I don't think that there are innocent people in prison. I think there are people that were over-sentence. If you should have done two years and you get 20, Oh yeah, that's, that's, but here's a problem is that in my mind, it's like, wait, you're not innocent. Yeah.

Okay. But you didn't deserve 20. So to me, that, that, that, to me, and I think that's what people really, when they say innocent, if you said, okay, well, Matt, if you consider those people innocent of that, that additional 18 years, then there's, you're right. Then there's a lot of it. If that, if you would ask me that, yeah. You're right. Because the difference you say there's innocent people in prison, I'd be like, you don't think he's not. I don't think he's no innocent people.

No, not no, but it's small. It's a small amount. That's what I'm saying. But what I am saying is that are there people that are over sentenced? Of course, everybody. Tons of them. Yeah. 40% more than that.

Yeah. I mean, I think it's insane. The sentences, it also bothers me that they'll come to you and say, like your brother, we'll give you 10 years. Nah, I'm going to go to trial. Oh, okay. Well, we're going to give you a life. Wait a minute.

10 years was okay. Yeah. Before. So how did 10 years come to life? No, but first. And 20. Yeah. And 20.

Bex. Like that doesn't, like to me, and here's what bothers me is that the U.S. attorney that does that, he goes to bed and sleeps like a baby. Like, bro, you were okay with this guy doing 10 years. How are you okay with, you knew that was okay? Ten years you were going to be like, yeah, that's a decent sentence. but because he made you do a week-long trial, you want him to die in prison. One, 10 years, you know he's fucking out. You know he's in a halfway house and seven, right?

You know that. You were really okay with seven. You're okay with him being out in seven years. Now you want him to die in prison. Come on, man. That's not. But the guy sleeps like a baby and tells himself, oh, I remove the wart off the face of humanity by putting him like, oh, you're delusional. You're delusional.

You didn't do anything. You didn't help that guy. You didn't help his family. You didn't help society. Matter of fact, and you just cost, had your brother still been alive and been in prison right now, you probably end up costing the taxpayers a million dollars just to house this fucking guy for the rest of his life. Yeah. His restitution was a million. He had a million dollar restitution.

Yeah, you could have let him out. Let him start chipping away. He's not ever going to pay a million dollars on a regular salary, but he's going to pay something. And he's not going to cost a million dollars. are being locked up. So it's, you know, it's a, it's an unfair system. And it's not because of the system. It's because of the people in the system.

Yeah. It's because that guy's okay. That guy really had a conscience when your brother was found guilty. He probably would have recommended the original 10 years. You know, or let's say, say, okay, well, I'm going to give him a penalty for going to, it's a trial penalty. I'm going to give it to him. Five.

Life? You're going to give him life? Give him 15 years. I offered you 10. You said, no, now you're getting 15. That's reasonable. Bex. But no, no, no, now you have to die in prison. Wow, bro. Yeah, that's bad. What are you doing? That's bad. And you feel okay with that? Yeah, I feel like I feel great. Sleep good. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. When you're not resting well, everything else feels harder. Your focus, your mood, even your recovery. Ghostbed is here to help you fix that. They've spent decades perfecting how to build a bed that's comfortable, durable, and designed to actually help you rest.

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And he told me that they offered him, you know how they come to you and offer you, or if you tell us who your plug is, we'll let you go. You can walk out of here right now. And my brother, like, hey, what plug? I don't have a plug. Y'all didn't catch me with no drugs because, you know, they got this thing called Ghost Dope. Yeah. People don't know about that.

They don't know about what Ghost Dope really mean. Yeah, it's just a calculation of these three people said they bought this much drugs from you, whether that's true or not, which means that you're selling two. We're calculating that's three kilos a month. And you've been selling drugs for five years. So that's 36 keys times five. That's 180 keys. That's a life sentence. You didn't catch me with nothing.

You caught that guy over there that doesn't even know me that says he got my drugs from him. He's never seen me. And now I have to do a life sentence. For a close. Because T-ball bought drugs from fucking fucking. dog face the fuck did how is that happening how am i doing a life sentence yes this is the way it works that's why here's how here's how here's how you know what works like you know why it works like that because they wrote the rules yeah so if they write the rules they didn't write up to your advantage

x i remember their advantage so that's that's that's how but that's you know that's how they that's how they that's how do you you don't get you don't get like a 98% conviction rate because you wrote because because the rules are fair, you know? And once again, I think that most of those convictions are legitimate convictions. Those people were guilty. My problem is people don't deserve 30-year sentences when they should be getting three years. Thanks. You know, my buddy, my buddy Dennis Caroni, who ended up with 19 years, deserved.

And he's 100% he's innocent. I still think he deserved three years. just for stupidity. Prior's. Yeah, just stupid things that he did in the course of the investigation, things that he did where he should have realized what was going on, what these other people were doing. Just stupidity alone, he deserved three years.

So I would have taken him in trial and made him to do three years, not 19. What you call stupid that he did? Tell me something. You know, once he kind of realized, like, I think that my buddy, is running a pill mill. You know, he's not. He lives in, Dennis lives in California. The, the pill mill or the pain clinics are in, are in New Orleans.

Like, he's only been there twice. He gave some guy $50,000 because he needed $50,000 to start a thin, thin clinic. It was a weight loss drug from 30 years ago or something. But then the feds made Finfinn illegal. But they'd already built the plan. place out. So they're about to start and they're like, fuck, I just blew my 50 grand. And so his buddy says, what if we do pain management? We already talked to the doctors. They are already willing to come in here. What if we go to them and talk to them? So I talked to a couple doctors. The doctor said,

hey, why don't we just do pain management? This is before the term pill mill even existed, by the way. So Dennis has no idea that there's an epidemic that's about to happen. So he opens the clinic up and it starts doing well. But at some point along the way, they start to realize like a lot of these people are drug addicts, you know? And so they start to try and come up with ways to weed out the drug addicts. Yeah. The truth is, he really should have just, like, you don't have any business owning a pain clinic, you know, you're a professional gambler living in California. And so you start to realize that there are issues with this whole thing. But you're making so much money at it that you continue to run it or be involved in it. And so, and plus he's extremely annoying,

by the way. He's just an annoying guy. And so what happens is when it all comes down, he ends up, you know, he doesn't want to take three years. He said, I didn't do anything. And I understand that. But stupidity alone should most of these guys, they should realize when they talk to their lawyers, stop thinking about innocence and what your frame of mind is and that you didn't do anything. When you knew there was a possibility, something was going on, you know, let's assume you're that naive. But being naive doesn't exclude you from guilt, right? And so you're looking at such a horrible, situation that you should probably take a plea, even if you say, no, I'm innocent. I get it.

I get it with Tom and I have this conversation all the time. He says, well, you should go to trial. If you really believe it. Stop it. They're scared. They made a mistake. They're going up against the bohemath that is the federal government. Yeah. And not everybody is ethical in that system. And you're probably better off, whether you're guilty or not, just to take the three years. you made a bunch of money take the three years it's just based on stupidity of getting into a business that you didn't know that at some point you knew something was wrong and you continued on you should take the three years instead he went to trial custom 18 19 19 years same thing with donovan davis my buddy donovan davis he started with he invested in a fund he actually invested in a fund um where he put up like a million dollars of his first first it was a hundred thousand then it turned it into but put it a hundred thousand dollars into an investment fund with that his buddy a childhood buddy and another guy he didn't know started they're trading for x right and he gives him

a hundred thousand dollars after his buddy's bugging him and bugging him and then his parents are like man give the guy some money what he's starting you know what do you do it oh fuck so he gives him a hundred grand and he can go on the system and plug in and check in and you know look and he's like oh shit a month later my hundred thousand is now 107,000. A month later, it's like 112. Fuck!

You know, that's an amazing return. Yeah. So then the guy, he, the guy calls him and says, hey man, can you, can I come pitch your family?

And he's like, yeah, fuck yeah. And so he pitched a family and he tells his own family, like, man, this guy's kicking ass.

This is a good deal. They know what they're doing. So his family dumps in money. He dumps him more. He puts a million of his own money in. His family puts like a million in. they and it continues to grow and grow a year six months to a year later oh and then people start talking to donna madonoma knows rich people he's got a lot of money yeah family so he starts

telling other people he's like hey man i'm involved in this thing i've been putting money and these guys are making a ton of money so his he gets other people to don't put put in money to invest and then at some point these guys come to him and they say man you've helped us so much. We're going to let you buy into the company for 600,000. You'll be a one-third partner. Thank you so much. It gives them 600 more thousand. And then they, and all you have to do is raise money for the fund and we'll manage it. Deal. Now, here's a problem. Most people don't think like this. And I, this is a problem. And I get it. I understand. He's seen nothing but success out of this.

And he actually thinks when he talks to his investors to invest, he thinks he's helping them. The truth is, you have a fiduciary responsibility when you are requesting people to give you money or invest in your ideas. You have a, you have a duty to know what you're asking them, what the risk is. He doesn't know. He's being told by these, he's trusting these guys. And you think, well, I didn't say that. I didn't know. He told me that. And you think, well, that, that excludes me from responsibility. It doesn't exclude you from responsibility because you're asking this guy to put in 500,000 and a million and half a million. And that's what he does. He raises almost $20 million. And it's actually a Ponzi scheme. And so two years later, he finds out it's a Ponzi scheme. And, you know, he could have taken like, he could have gotten like three years and gone to pay. But he's, he was of the belief. I didn't. know and I didn't do anything.

Stupidity alone says you should do three years because that old lady lost her fucking life savings and that guy lost his retirement and that guy like you should go to jail for three years. And he wouldn't believe that. He said, I didn't mean for this to happen. I didn't know. It's not my fault. They stole the money.

They did it. And which by the way, every American out there would do that. You would think that. I would think that. I know better now, but I didn't 25 years ago. I would have said what Donovan said. no, I didn't do anything. So he went to trial and he got 17 years.

Could have taken three. You got 17. He didn't deserve it. And that's what I'm saying. Is Donovan, is Donovan innocent? Yes. So do I think he's guilty? I think he's guilty of stupidity.

But you really shouldn't be putting people into prison for stupidity. But yeah, to me, I think he should have taken the three years and said he went to trial, his constitutional right, and got 17. And, you know, and I like Donovan, and I know he didn't mean to do this. He didn't deserve that. So I think he's innocent. But that's a lot of time. Listen, that's like, I think that's about 40 or 50% of these inmates. They make the mistake of going to trial or they don't take the plea or they don't.

And so they end up getting over-sentence or they take a plea. And they take a plea for 10 years and you didn't deserve you're a drug addict. Yeah. You're a drug addict selling drugs, and that's an asshole thing to do. But 10 years? Nobody died. Yeah. You know, like a couple years, two, three years.

What about a drug program? Take a drug program. Let's give these guys drug program. There's so much fucking fucked up shit. And then the idea that just like with medical, that your brother's going to be adequately taken care of in prison, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. That's not happening. Thanks.

I've watched people turn yellow from jaundice and die. that had they been in the free world, they would have survived. They would have gone in and got a, they would have gotten their, or what is it, the treatment for their blood because they were having kidney failure or whatever. Dialysis. Dialysis, thank you. Yeah, just let them die. Turns yellow and just dies. That's too much, but it's too much.

We got to drive this guy to the hospital and back. It's too much. Yeah. You're just another number. Yeah. He'll be gone in two weeks. Damn. Yeah.

Seeing guys that not give them their inhaler. because the guards don't really understand that, oh, he's got asthma. And they think, oh, so he just has a hard time breathing. No, no, he'll die. That little inhaler that everybody thinks is so cute, like, oh, and you think, this fucking guy. If you don't give him that, he'll die. And people don't think that. They think, oh, he's just because he has a hard time breathing.

No, he can't breathe. And if he doesn't have that inhaler, he'll be dead tomorrow. That's how fucking serious the inhaler is. But the guards don't know that. Yeah. And so when they're like, bro, I need my inhaler. I need my inhaler. Oh, you go after count.

Well, after count, medical's closed. Well, you'll go see him tomorrow. Bro, if I have an attack, I could be dead by tomorrow. Like, oh, you'll be fine. You've got a high school diploma, bro. You're not in a position to know if this guy's fucking got to be alive or dead. Yeah. And he can't, if he screams too much, you think if I scream enough,

they'll help me. If you scream enough, you'll go to the shoe and you'll die alone in the shoe. At least here you get to die semi comfortably in your cell. Yeah. With some of your buddies. Or you can die freezing cold in the fucking shoe. Or maybe if you're in Tennessee or if it's a summer or something, you're in a state prison, maybe you just die sweating to death in a fucking cell somewhere in the shoe.

But you're not going to raise a fuss and these guys are going to give a fuck. They don't care. They're not calling. Oh, you know what? He's really serious about this. we better call medical. I call it. Nobody's coming.

Do you think it to ever get better? No. I don't think it will get better because everybody seems to be exempt from being sued or being prosecuted. And the BOP and the states seem to be excluded from that. And you don't have the same rights as a normal human being when you're in prison. You've lost your right. And if you said, okay, well, let's change the entire system. That's fine.

change the entire system, you're still dealing with people. And the people that are running those systems flock to those systems because they're okay with treating people like garbage. Yeah. And they could justify it because they think this guy in prison is garbage. Do you think your brother's garbage? No. What about his kids? His kids don't think is garbage. Especially not as kids. Right. So that's not fair. Yeah. You know, did he make a mistake? Was he a drug?

Yeah, he's a drug dealer. Yeah, he probably should have gone to, probably should have gone to prison for a few years. Okay. Let's give him a couple years. You know, let's put an ankle monitor on him. Let's, he's not shooting people in this fucking street.

You know, so let's, let's give him an ankle monitor. Let's monitor their living shit out of him. Make him go get a fucking job, you know, but do I need as taxpayer? Should I be paying for this guy for the rest of my fucking life? No.

You know, like for somebody who's a non-violent offender, come on, man. Like, it's, you know. But as long as human beings are involved, there will be issues. Thanks. I just know something that stick with me is when my brother called me and he's full of energy. You know around the time when he was living, he used to be full of energy, man. Like, he joking still, laughing. Like, I'm like, bro, you got a fucking life sentence, bro.

you had hope though yeah yeah they never took that from no he always glow stick i'm coming out of here man i'm fighting and he said you can lock me up physically but you can never lock my mental up and long as i got the mental i'm gonna keep going you know what i'm saying he always tell me hey just beat up for me mentally bro it ain't nothing you could do for me physically for real right even with this girl you know I'm saying, as long as she was there mentally. That's all that he cared about, you know? And like I said, man, he used to keep me going. I'm talking about some days I'm ready to give up.

And when he called, I know the number, 202. They say Washington, D.C. I know that's him. He called me every day. And when I answered, I signed down. Like, man, what's wrong with you, man? I'm like, man, I don't know. Like, man, you better brighten up, bro.

You're out there in the streets. You could do whatever. You can go eat McDonald's right now. You can go to the club. You can go holl out of bitches. You can do anything you want to do. And you want to give me a pity party. I'm in here with a life sentence.

And I sound more energetic than you. You know what I'm saying? He's like, man, you got to fix that, man. Get up and go get it. And he just gave me hope too. And it's like, damn, just to see him with a life sentence plus 20 and still be my motivation, bro. He was different, man.

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