Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America

Episode Date: November 24, 2024

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and running into the judge at Kroger's. So about 30 minutes go by, and I call Amy Dunn't answer. And then about another 10 minutes go by. And he calls me back. And he's like, hey man, I wouldn't park down there at that gas station where you met me. He's like, a lot of cops have been driving by there lately. And I thought, that's something weird thing to say. You know what I mean?

Like, why would you say that? So once they heard that, they then wanted me to also get that guy on wire. I didn't get a chance to tell you about the Mexican girl that I flew here from Mexico that I had never met in person before. Why did you fly her in? That's a whole story, bro. You will hear it? Yeah. Okay.

And yes, I am loyal. That guy that I wore a while. Like, Like, Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Jacks. He is a recovering addict and former felon. And so, so this is, we've been talking on the phone and texting. and he told me a story

and I thought it was pretty interesting so I asked him if he'd come on the program so check this out Hey guys, how you doing? All right, so I mean, I know we heard it's funny because when we talked you, we talked and you were like, I don't know if it's, you know, I don't know how long

I can talk about it and how much of a story it was and then like 45 minutes later Yeah, well if somebody who doesn't have a story you talked for 45 minutes about the story yeah I told me portions of it so yeah yeah but yeah I mean so tell talk to me tell me about like where were you born yeah sure um so basically I I'm from Ohio um you know I was born in Ohio I've been here my whole life um I mean I've been lucky and gotten to

travel around but I was born here um so I was born just you know 1980 so 80s kid you know what I mean I'm 42 now so you know my parents I think had been married like 10 years when they had me and then you know they got divorced when I was five years old which was a good thing my dad was was a monster you know my real father unfortunately and so he was you know, cheating on my mother behind her back. He was a union pipe fitter. And so he traveled a lot for work, stuff like that. And so he was away in South Carolina working and, uh, meant this other woman who would become my stepmother and was cheating on my mom with her when he was down there. And so, you know, he, um, basically came back and it's kind of shitty. That's all I remember from

my childhood, or at least that portion of it was the night that he left because I was there for all of it for the screaming and the you know the whole kind of thing and uh i was found it really weird i knew at five years old like what the word divorced meant because i heard my father say that to my mother and like i knew what it meant it was kind of weird because you're five you know what right um so and then yeah literally he um that happened and then i woke up the next morning and he was gone and so he never really wanted much to do with me um i was lucky if i saw him once a year you know after they got a divorce and I'm an only child so my father married the woman he was cheating with and she didn't have any kids they didn't have any kids together and then um you know

my mother got remarried a couple years later to my to my now stepfather um and i got a stepbrother and two stepsisters out of it but my mom and my stepdad didn't have any kids together either so I'm like a legitimate child right yeah so after the you know my dad left um he'd say didn't want much to do with me

didn't seem that often didn't really pay child support like my mom showed me records and like proof and stuff she wasn't just like trying to bash my dad like he was he was not the greatest guy he had his own fucking issues he drank alcoholism runs of my family horrible

um so bad to the point that my mother's father actually killed himself because of it, hung himself, which is a wild story in itself, like how it happened. He, um, I'd obviously way before I was born, but, uh, he was in World War II and, uh, came home and obviously had a bunch of issues, my mother's father, my grandfather, and, um, so drank a lot and, uh, got picked up one night here in town by the police. And, uh, for like drunk a disorderly or something like that

and they put him in the holding cell and apparently it was cold and so he asked if he could have his his coat like his he had like a trench coat or something and he took the belt off the coat and hung himself in the cell okay yeah so that's my mother's father

yeah so alcoholism runs on both sides on my mother's side and my father's side like horrible you know my last name is German and Welsh so we got German in us so there's plenty of drink in my family. They like beer. But I didn't go that route.

I went the more chemical route. You know what I mean? Yeah. I was never big on beer. So anyway, my mom got remarried when I was seven to my stepfather who honestly I really don't have that much in common with or get along with either, but

he's good to my mother and that's all I care about. Right. So growing up, you know, I was very lucky. Come from a upper middle class home. my mother especially after my father left a great woman very smart worked four jobs to take care of her and I before she met my stepfather and like people hear that and they go four jobs like what the fuck and I'm like yeah she was a insurance agent for 45 years until she retired she was the clerk

treasurer at the local library and she did books and payroll for two separate laundromats so like my mom worked their ass all right to take care of us And once my stepfather came in the picture, like I said, I all of a sudden had a stepbrother and two step-sisters. They were, my sisters were older, so they didn't live with us. But I did all of a sudden have a brother that lived with us now, and now I'm growing up with a sibling in the house, which I wasn't used to before then. How old was your brother? He's a year older than me. So he's, I'll be 43 this year.

He's 44 right now. Yeah. So he's a year older. He graduated in 1998. I graduated in 99. We both went to the same high school. So she married him and then, you know, things started to really get better after that.

Like my stepfather had a really successful with contracting business, very smart guy. But a lot of the, I live in a small town, so a lot of the houses and things around here, he actually built different businesses, things like that. And so you have growing up, we were very lucky. had my parents make good money we traveled you know anything you would probably want it to be from a childhood standpoint good Christmases things like that you know what I mean right yeah yeah so um

which makes no sense for the path that I chose because I didn't belong in that fucking world at all I was a horrible drug dealer which we'll get to I was terrible with drug beer I just wanted to party like I was terrible at it uh so you know growing up and then pretty much just like anybody else's life, man. Going to school, going to high school, like I said, my stepbrother and I now, I had a brother who stuck up for me. I got picked all a lot in school. I was a very heavy set kid when I was younger. I was a fat kid. And I got fucked with a lot. I got picked on a lot. And so when I got to high school, I started to thin out a little bit, but he was good about that. He always made sure if I mess with me and shit. He really kind of watching my back, even though he

wasn't my real brother. So I was always thankful for that. And then so I graduated in 99 and about a year and a half, I think it was almost two years after I graduated. I had kind of basically took a year off and I started to go to college in Nelsonville, Ohio, the place called Hawking. It's like a technical type school. It's close to OU University, which is, you know, Ohio University, not to be confused with OSU, but I didn't really have the grades to get into OU. You know what I mean? I was, in high school, I had to take a lot of special classes and stuff. I've learned disabilities and shit. I'm really hyper. I've got ADD and all that kind of shit. Like I was on meds from a very young age. So I decided to try to go to college. And so I'd been in school really

only for about a semester and got diagnosed with cancer. And so I'm only 20 years old. You know what I mean? Right. I forgot about that. Yeah. And so it was really crazy how it happened. I went to my family doctor for something just completely unrelated, just like a normal doctor's appointment. I had this mole on the inside of my right leg and had been there forever. And just that day he happened to say, you know, I don't like to look at that. He's like, I was. He's like, I was. want to cut that off and I'm like all right and so he numbs my leg and all the sudden I'm awake when he doesn't and he cuts around it and pulls the mole off and like I saw the look on his face when he did it like when he pulled the mole off of my leg like it had all these tentacles and stuff growing like off of it

like connected to everything in my leg right and of course they won't tell you shit when they do that they've got a biopsy it you know what I mean right so about a week and a half later I was I'll never forget I was in the car with my mom. Now, this is like early 2000 still. So we had actual car phones for all you kids out there. We had phones that had cords on them in the fucking car, if you could imagine. Yeah, shopping. And I was in the car with my mom, and the phone rang.

And it was my doctor. And he said, look, we've taken care of everything on our ends. You need to get to OSU hospital immediately to get into surgery. You have cancer, and it's spreading at an aggressive rate. and so within a few hours I was in the hospital in Columbus at OSU which is one of the best cancer hospitals in the country actually

and had to have an epidural like a pregnant woman like where they stick the big thing in your back and numb you from the waist down and like basically took a huge chunk out of the inside of my right leg from the knee down like when the surgery was done it looked like a shark took a half moon bite out of the inside of my leg

in my leg. Right. And that's how much they had to cut out to try to get all of the cancer. And then it had also spread to like the lymph nodes in my right leg. So they had to remove the ones out of my groin and like all that shit. It was brutal. I was 20 years old. Scary. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. And yeah, it. So, you know, I had to have all that done. And like said, it was wild, man. And, um. Is you have forced chemo? Yeah, I did. I did a couple rounds of that just as like a to make sure you know that they did got everything they they said that the margins were really good when they cut it out they were pretty positive but they wanted to just make sure because i was so young you know what i mean to have that basically they

told me this mole the growth rate had it had accelerated 20 years in the course of three months that's how much it had spread that's how fast malignant melanomas grow which is what kind of cancer it was if i didn't mention it was malignant no or whatever And so got very lucky, though, I beat it, made it over the five-year hump, you know, but that is what really started my downfall into just everything addiction and whatever. You know, if you remember at the time, you know, 2000, 2001, there was no such thing as like a pill epidemic. There was no anything like that, man. Doctors were just handing that shit out like tip-tacks.

You know, you could go to emergency. emergency room and get 20 percocets like I mean just as easy as tripping and falling off the fucking curb like it was just you know what I mean and so because of the cancer and the surgery they were prescribing me I was getting oxycotton I was getting percocet for like breakthrough pain I was getting um you know value to help me sleep it was ridiculous and so I'd never been on any medication like that before I'd never you know up until this point the most I'd ever done smoky journey. You know what I mean? Just with like some friends in high school. Right. Yeah. I understand. Yeah. So all of a sudden I'm on all this medication and like I'm getting

hammered basically every day like fucked up. You know what I mean? And so after the surgery I had started working at a telemarketing place and this plate dude I mean you couldn't have put a drug an addict in a worse in fucking environment like you know it just was that's all the kind of people that worked there like everybody was railing percissettes in the bathroom and like it was just madness and talking on the phone right but you still were being prescribed the medication yes at that point yeah at that point i was still being prescribed the meds but then just working there of course that's what people found out i was on the meds and people were like well let me buy a couple of those off of you and i'm like all right you know i mean i'm not going

turn down 20 bucks or whatever it is and so that started you know that whole thing now as i'm working there at this telemarketing place i'm on the meds and uh this new guy gets hired and uh i won't say his last name but his name was josh and him and i kind of became really fast friends and um you know back then i was i was still smoking weed as well you know i was taking these prescription pills and so uh you know Josh and I started hanging out and he started asking me you know can you get any weed you know stuff like that I'm like yeah and I there's a guy that worked there that you know I could get killer weed from you know as much as I wanted really and so I started getting this guy Josh weed well come to find out he was an undercover cop and so uh you know one night I was I left

work and I got a phone call from him and he's like hey you know I'm a town such and such and such and You know, meet me here. And when I pulled up, I got sworn by police, you know. And I had, like, I think, a quarter-round's a weed on me or something. But I had, that he had been buying this weed for me. And even, I was getting it for him, even though I wasn't, I guess you would save the distributor or whatever. I had to go to someone else to get it. But so then called me up to the police station, man.

And, you know, basically I'm, what, 21 at this point and read me to fucking riot act, scared the shit out of me. Like, do this or you're going to jail. you know, that whole thing and so I did man, so they asked me to wire up and fucking and get this, they wanted the guy that was you know giving me the weed

and once they found out who that was they realized that this is the guy at the, this is the guy that one of the guys that works at the telemarketing place he had been he had been placed there on purpose as an undercover cop because they had heard locally

how much drug dealing and shit was going on there. Okay, now, okay, I understand. Yeah, okay, yeah. So he got a job there because they put him there. Yeah, sorry if I didn't specify that. So they have me, you know, I agree to it because I don't want to go to jail. I'm 20 fucking years old at this point.

I'm still scared, like, don't let my mom find out, you know what I mean? Like, you're a kid, you're a fucking kid. Like, you're like, don't tell my parents, you know what I mean? Like, yeah. So, uh, I do. what they want but in the process of that they found out that the guy that I was getting weed from his father-in-law

was actually one of the biggest drug dealers in our county and that's who this kid that I was getting a weed from, that's who he was getting it from was his father and so once they heard that they then wanted me to also get that guy

on fucking wire and I'd never even meant this man you know what I mean? Like I have no idea. Yeah, how do you even get to that guy? Right, so I have to basically start hanging out with the guy that I got the weed from, make friends

with him to the point where I was buying enough where he finally took me straight to the fucking source and then I was able to go there a couple times and then yeah, and then they ended up go ahead. You told me like the

equipment that they gave you oh god oh god dude so it wasn't like a small little little thing you thought listen dude for you kids out there that watch the show The Wire on HBO or anything like that man

listen this is early 2000 this is fucking analog technology okay this thing I kid you not was the size of this cigarette pack right here okay like it was half the size in this and basically

that's what what it was. It was a soft pack of Marlboro Light cigarettes, 100s. And they had pulled all the cigarettes out of the pack, stuck this thing in and pushed it off to the side, and then filled the pack back up with cigarettes.

And like, that was it. So then they would have a truck, you know, like which was so cliche, man, like any movie you've ever seen. It was like an old fucking Chevy panel van that they worked out of, you know what I? And if you can picture the guys inside with the

microphone. Yes. Yeah. And it was real. Oh yeah. They check levels and all of that shit, dude. It was so stupid. And so you had to have this cigarette pack on you. And I'll never forget one time one of the guys,

because I smoke, obviously, but I didn't have my own cigarettes. I'd left him in the car or something. And I went in to get some weed and the guy asked me for a cigarette. I couldn't imagine how fucking stable and old these Marlboro lights were and I remember pulling this pack out and being like oh god

please don't let this guy see inside this fucking pack and like gave him one of these and he smoked it and he never said a word I thought that could not have fucking taste a good though like how old is this marble you know what I mean like it was dust at that point he just you know so I did everything I was supposed to do and um you know thankfully Josh and I actually stayed really good friends and because of him, he actually really looked out for me and made sure that, like, I never had to go to court, I never had to testify anything like that.

Like, because, again, like, he really kind of went to bat for me with the higher-ups in the police department and shit like that. And so they basically had got all the information they needed. I had this guy on wire, and they, yeah, they sent the fucking team out and kicked this fucking guy doors in and found all kinds of shit. guns, all kinds of shit. It was a big fucking deal.

Yeah. What? He went away. Yeah, they absolutely. Yeah. He fucking went. Yeah. Like how, who did he went away? Like five years? That I don't know how many years he got, but I remember them. Because I tried at that point, all I wanted to do was forget about it.

Like, I did what I was supposed to do. I was a fucking kid, bro. Like, I don't want to know any more about it. You know what I mean? Keep me out of. And, uh, what I read of the thing? he must have pled guilty like he didn't go to trial you didn't have to testify no no he yeah he played he uh offer they gave him or whatever he pleaded he pled that he pled out so whatever that was um i don't know you know they mentioned that he definitely went away i had no idea how many years it was so okay

yeah so what um so then you you you cleaned your life up you you you went you went to college you got it you you start you struck you went straight you've been straight at it everything's good you got kids you're the wife you're you're you're living in a big house and everything's good yeah no no no no not even close man that was a close call you got out of it yeah yeah yeah obviously said hey this is this is this is this is a catalyst for me to make a change in my life sure yeah yeah yeah yeah it sounds good sounds really good you know and you think yeah like you should learn your fucking lesson instead you thought you thought yeah we thought yeah and now i see how this shit works now i see what these fuckers do to catch people right okay i'm gonna be able to yeah i'm gonna do it

right yeah and i won't get caught exactly and that didn't work out either as we'll we'll hear about uh but so i'm on all these pain pills i'm still working at Millennium Teleservices and like I said again small town you know very small group of people in this telemarketing office it wasn't long after that till word kind of spread people were doing whispers thought that I was the one that did it um you know that you know it took in this guy's father down whatever so I was fired not long after that uh they said anybody ever mentioned it to you uh no I mean people would say you like I've heard in conversations like oh I heard that you snitched you know whatever but no one

Did you give him the hole? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm like, where's your, I'm like, you got me on tape, bro? And I'm like, did you see a fucking discovery packet? Do you got me on tape? Well, no. I'm like, well, then I don't know what's luck you're talking about.

Yeah, straight up. Until you show me a piece of paperwork with my name on it, you can get fucked. And they didn't have, they didn't. Yeah, they didn't have that shit. So, uh, um, so they fired me. They claimed that it was because I was deviating. from the script, which is like an FTC violation when you're trying to

sell shit over the phone. If you don't read exactly the script, you know, whatever, they can get fine for that shit. So they said that I had deviated from the script. That was their excuse, but we all knew what the reason was. So, let's see, that would have been

like 2001 or whatever. At this point, I'm still trying to go to college. I'm not really feeling it. You know, like I said, I'm not it's hard for me to stay interested in anything if i get bored with something like i'm done and all i wanted to do was go down there and party like that you know i'm 20 years old man like i'm not built for school just not right and so you know i uh i tried you know like said best they could and as i was down there doing that the pills started to more and more get worse you know um

taking more and more than i was prescribed that kind of thing and then one day I went to a checkup in Columbus for them to look at my surgery scar and all that kind of stuff. And they the doctor hates me, you know, this is back when they still gave you paper prescriptions. They just didn't digitally call the shit

into the pharmacy. You know, they handed you a script. And I remember looking at it, and it was for ibuprofen and I'm like, what's this? And he's like, they didn't step me down. There was no taper down fucking process. None of that shit. You know what I mean? Like some of these doctors back then

should be fucking strung up and shot for the amount of addicts that they created because there was no no no thought into that you know it was just like oh you've been on these this long we don't think you need them anymore here's to my b pro from right and i'll never forget the next day waking up man and being so fucking sick like a sick that never felt i had no idea what it was i'd never been addicted to anything didn't know what i was feeling sick throwing up finally figured out that it was because I was out of medication. And so that started, you know, the whole thing where I started doctor shopping and I started going to every local, you know, emergency room around here and saying, like, oh, I just had cancer surgery. Look at my leg, you know, like,

let me get a script, you know, or whatever. And like, it worked for a really long time. Um, you know, and then as I'm doing that, I'm still kind of selling some of them on the side and I'm no longer working at, you know, millennium. I'm just kind of not working anywhere at all. And, you know, obviously, later on I had a couple other jobs and stuff, but I've basically been fired from every job I've ever had, like legit, fired from every job I've ever had. And I've worked, I feel like, you know, the movie Wayne's World where he's like,

I've had plenty of Joe jobs, nothing I'd call a career. You know what I mean? He's like, I have an extent. a collection of name tags and airnets. You know, like, that was me, dude. I had plenty of fucking Joe John. Everywhere from working at, you know, the big freight company forward air to fucking McDonald's, dude.

And from being that to a bartender at Applebee's, I've done it, I've done everything. Didn't work out. Just nobody now. Right. So, at this point, you know, I happen to run into a friend of mine that I'd grown up with and kind of lost touch with. His name was Jared. And, you know, at this point, I'm also still kind of talking to Josh, the cop that got, you know, that got me at the telemarketing place.

But I'm not doing any work for them, nothing like that. I mean, him and I actually just became friends. So I run into this guy, Jared, and he is, you know, doing a little bit of cocaine here and there. and uh i you know at that point i'd never really done coke you know that was the worst sake of my life ever doing it because i live my whole life as in full tilt or nothing at all like i don't believe in gray area it's black or it's white you know what i mean so right anything i get my hands on i take it to the fucking nth degree cocaine was a bad idea so first time i never forget the first time i did like a line out of like a fifty dollar bag i was like

Oh, so this is what God looks like. I was like, okay, okay, I believe, amen, let's go, you know. And so I started hanging out with this guy, Jared, and doing, you know, back then I didn't have a lot of money, so we're just buying a little bit here and there, you know, nothing to write home the mom about. And one night, we're hanging out with this girl that I knew named Tiffany. And I was also friends with her boyfriend. who will become relevant later. His name was Eric.

He's actually dead now. But Eric and Tiffany both had to connect in the city in Columbus like to get real coat. Not like bullshit, local fucking whatever, like real deal, Holyfield, like bricks, you know what I mean?

Of raw, whatever. Like, it was ridiculous. And I used to drive, this girl, Tiffany, I used to drive her boyfriend Eric every once in a while when he needed to make a run to the city to like re-up I would drive him and of course he would hook me up for driving him and whatever

and so I would take him to his place to get it and all that kind of stuff so I'm hanging out with her one night and we're all you know it's late and we're looking around for stuff and she uses my phone to try to call her dealer in Columbus to try to get some blow we want to make a trip up there

and the guy didn't answer the phone well fast forward a couple days later I'm not with Tiffany anymore I'm hanging out with this guy Jared my phone rings it's from a number I have recognized and uh answered a phone and he's like yeah someone tried to call me from this number I'm like oh I was like I think Tiffany used my phone he's like oh yeah who's this and I told him and he goes and I said I'm Eric's friend and he's like are you the guy that drives him all the time that I see out in my parking lot and I'm like yeah brother that's me he's like oh what would you need And I'm like, I don't know, I was thinking about maybe getting a quarter or something like that.

He's like, just come to the city and hit me up. I like stumbled headfirst into like a connect. Right. You know what I'm saying? For like legit fucking coke. Like people all the time, the bad problem with addicts is everybody always thinks their story or their dope was better than everybody else. Did you ever know that with addicts? Like if you're telling a story to another addict, if you say like I had two elders, they're like, oh, bro, I'm fine.

you know or if you say like my my fucking blow was legit oh like yeah dude i know my shit was like it was the shit it was yellow was a cigarette builder like fuck off like this shit was ridiculous like you threw if you would throw a gram or this stuff in a spoon and cooking it would come back heavier than what you put in there and i'm talking about with a pinch of soda like it would come back like 1.2 1.3 like it was it was just straight butter it was ridiculous So he said that for me on the phone And I'm like Looked at Jared, I'm like, we gotta get some money together

And so back then You can get a quarter ounce for 350 bucks So Off to the city we went man And like I had to drop Jared off Because this guy didn't know him He knew who I was just from seeing me in the car And

I remember going to Morris Road in Columbus And to this guy He was at his girlfriend's house And just he said I'll be walking down the street and just pick me up, pull up next to me and pick me up. Pulled up next to him. He just hopped in the car and just that quick.

And all of a sudden, now I'm, I've got a, you know, a giant amount of coke in my fucking hand. So, yeah, we started fucking Jared and I selling a little bit here and there to pay for what we were buying. And that kind of snowballed into selling a lot of fucking coat. And then doing even more of it. And as I mentioned earlier, I was a terrible drug deal.

man like I felt bad for people that did that money I was like oh I'll hook you up you know what I mean like I just wanted to party and have fun I was not business minded for that shit you know what I mean I just wanted to get high for three but I had where were you living at this point so uh I actually had a house that belonged to my grandmother and then she actually sold it to my mother so it was basically like a rental problem property and I was living in that and I was paying rent to live there wasn't living here for free because when it comes to my mom she will fucking play about money like the fact I'm her son does not matter you're gonna pay money right um but it was so funny man I um I you know I was living in this little house and back then you know like you know the store Hot Topic at the mall yeah okay you remember like you go to Hot Topic and they would sell like these little neon signs and shit you remember seeing those and stuff, I had one of those pink flamingo neon signs, and it was in my

window. So basically, if the flamingo was lit up, it business was all. That's what the whole point of that munkin sign was. So I had like a pink flamingo lit up in my window. You could see it from the fucking road, dude, in the middle of night. This is bright pink fucking light shining out of this guy's window. Um, Jared was staying with me basically because, you know, we were just kind of, I let him stay there and we were just, you know, basically do and blow and, and, and party in and whatever and little by little you know that quarter ounce turned into buying a half ounce then buying an ounce and then buying three ounces and then you know we were both kind of running our asses off driving like he would we'd split it up he'd deliver to people I'd deliver

to people you know on and on and that went on for a long time um and at this point I am completely fucking gone I'm doing you know like six grams or more a day like I weighed like a hundred and five pounds i weigh 145 right now and like i can see my chief buttons like if you can imagine me at 105 like i look like walking death right you know what i mean where was josh

josh at this time had uh they had you know he had worked with the local police department um he was he wasn't from our department that's why they brought him into work at millennium tell us he wasn't a local guy right he was actually from like a county

over he he lived in a a Chownie over from where I live and was working at that police department. So once he was done kind of here in town with what they had him do, he went back to working at his normal, you know, police department.

You know, so, which was in a place called Waverly, Ohio. A small town, you know, again, very small kind of place. It's close to a bigger city. But, you know, just that's what Josh was doing at the point

but him and I were still in contact he knew what I was doing you know what I mean but he didn't fuck with me about it or turning me in like he was no longer responsible for me you know what I'm saying so right yeah this job is done that's the problem

yeah yeah pretty much and so this were on for a long time bro and I was strung the fuck out my parents knew it was hard-breaking like I just didn't care about anything all I cared about was drugs you know I'll never forget being in the city one year uh you know at my dude's house getting getting dope on christmas eve and my mom calling me

and being like look i just want to see you for christmas like crying on the phone like because they hadn't seen me in months because i just disappeared from them and uh even though i was living in her house like i would send the rent in the mail like i'd never saw me and um she was crying on the phone like i know what you're doing you know just come here there won't be any problem i won't judge you i just want to see you for Christmas and that just ripped me in half you know what I mean but I couldn't stop I was so addicted and so you know whatever and so one night there's like two o'clock in the morning this is let's say this is probably 2000 I want to say four at this point um I had dope or had no need to re-up or go get more but I thought it was a bright idea to call my dude at like two

in the morning and like I'm on my way you know and so I've been up already for like two days at this point what you know no sleep just tweak the fuck out and I'm like I'm gonna drive to Columbus and get some more dope so I get in the car and go and I'm rolling up through there man got my little plate in the car doing some lines listening to music go up to the city link up with him get what I needed and I really wasn't even getting that much compared to what I normally got I got a half ounce that night. And so that was, you know, 500 bucks. And so on the way back for his house, I took a wrong exit. I mean, that was high as fuck, dude. And even though I'd been there a million times. I took a wrong exit. And at this point, I was starting to come down. And I was

starting to shake and shiver and fucking just, you know what I mean? And I was trying to find a place to pull over to get like a line in me. So I can come back out of it. And dude, I stopped at this Speedway and of course I started to get fucking paranoid and like I thought everybody was looking at me and I went in the store and then I came out of the store and then fucking got back in the car and like I'd bend over to do a lot of them like oh man there's people looking at me and so I fucking I'm a mess at this point been up two days I'm just fucking wrecked and I pull out a speedway and soon as I pull out there's a red light right here and the light was fucking yellow I go through the yellow light and as soon as I go through it there was a paddy wagging copy parked alongside of the fucking curved. Like watching people. You know what I mean? In this area. They were just sitting there in a van, like a paddy wagon van style, like not a

police car. Yeah. And pulled out, you know, hit the switch, fucking lit me up, got behind me, and like I was done. Dude, as soon as they come up to the car, the guy's like, you've been drinking? And I was like, no, and I'm trying

to hold it together. And his partner had walked around the passenger side of car. And I remember seeing him, his partner out of the, my peripheral vision go like this. I was driving a fucking Oldsmobile Laro at the time, a two-door. And his partner pointed and I turned and looked and the plate was sticking out from underneath behind the back seat where I tried to shove it under there.

And it had fucking coke all over it and fucking, and like at that point, I was so tired and so fucking just exhausted of being awake that long stuff. I didn't even put up a fight. I just got out of the car. I put my hands out. You know what I mean? They cuffed me.

They searched the fucking car, found the dope in the console, it was all in one bag. It looked like, you know, a chunk of fucking Ivory Spring soap. It was all in one big fucking piece. And I remember hearing the cops say, like, I bet you want to cut this two or three times. And I was like, cut it. Like, dude, that's what we fucking fell. What I ignored is what I fell. I don't cut anything.

And I never did. That's, and that's 100% true. I never cut the dope to try to make more money off of it, ever. You know what I mean? right um i saw so many people do that and i used to because that's the shit that will fuck your guts and everything up when you do cocaine it's not the coke it's all the baby lacks or creatine or whatever the fuck else they're putting in it you know what i mean uh i mean i saw a guy and use hairspray one night to fucking oh yeah like he took an ounce of coke cut it up

put it in a piece of PVC pipe that had a cap on the end of it okay put it down in the pipe, like a cut-off piece of pipe, and then put, um, sprayed hairspray down in the pipe. And then literally used like a, uh, like a big C clamp and put the C clamp where the top part was down in the pipe and then the bottom part is up against the cap on the bottom of the pipe, tightened it down so it would compress all that with the hairspray in there and hold the Coke together. I don't know if you're how familiar you are with cocaine, but like, cocaine, okay, dude, it's, if you ever get a bad,

of cocaine like a gram or something and it's all powder in the bag it's right you know it pisses people off it's garbage people want to see rocks oh you know they want to see chunks and so many people will try to fool you by doing stuff like that cutting it up with different shit whatever what i snorted is what i sold i never cut it once didn't i just didn't care i got it for a thousand an ounce back then and sold it for a hundred dollars a gram you know what i mean there's 28 grams in a fucking ounce. So do the math. So I made money either way.

I didn't need to cut it. But this guy, you know, I got arrested that night. They take me to they take me to fucking first real jail I'd ever been in. I'd been in my local deal a couple times,

you know, prior to that for driving things and stuff like that. This was Franklin County Jail in Columbus. This is a place they called the Workhouse. This was what they called it. And, you know, it's all black people in there. Yeah, I mean, dude, I grew, I grew, you know, the town I grew up in, there are no black people here. There was one African-American kid in my entire graduating high school class.

One, there is, there's, you come here and it's white as far as the eye can see. Okay? All of a sudden, I'm in a fucking, you know, county jail with, like, just black dudes and shit below, you know, arguing over fucking boxes and nutty buddies and shit. I slept under a picnic table for three days until a buck became available and then I'd been in there about a week until my mom fucking bailed me out five grand to fucking bail me out

why did she wait so long just probably teach me a lesson you know what I mean? Yeah they impounded my fucking car you know and what really I always thought was so funny is they impounded my car obviously after I got arrested that night my cell phone was in the car which had my dealers info

in it, all these contacts and shit. When I went to pick my car up from the fucking Columbus impound, the phone was still laying in the seat where I left it. They never, it didn't touch anything. They left it all in there. I thought, wait you do, you know. So after a week of being in there, she got me

an attorney. Like I said, my mom's been amazing. It's the one person that's never given up on me. Okay, man. So got arrested in Franklin County Workhouse. I get released, you know, from there. My mom bills me out. Gets me an attorney. Great attorney, actually, saved my ass.

He was from Columbus. It wasn't a local attorney where I lived. She got me one from the city where I was at. So I get out, go get my car from impound. And, you know, of course, you think that would have, again, stopped me or gave me some inkling that maybe I shouldn't be doing this shit. Nope, your mic got muted. Right again.

I can hear people outside screaming. Oh, well, bring them. Bring them in. Bring them in. There's, you know, so I'm going to mute mine because, okay. We're you. You're good.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Until they go away. All right. Yeah. Fuck them. So, you know, you think that would have deterred me or whatever.

But it didn't. Literally the day I picked my car from Columbus impound. I went right back up to my dudes. like I said he you know my guy was in Columbus clear up on Cleveland Avenue anyone that knows Columbus knows what Cleveland Avenue is uh he um he lived in this a part of a complex that was right behind a titty bar a place called sirens you know obviously it wasn't called sirens titty bar just called sirens but uh that's where he was at so I went right back up there dude and uh you know got got some more after i got out got a shower got my car whatever went home

and of course i remember calling him and he's like where you been for a week and i mean i lied my ass off to him i was like oh dude my phone got broke and like i couldn't get a new phone and like you know dudda he's like oh i thought something happened to you man like you got pinched or something i was like oh no no no no and see i never what what i did at you know the telemarketing place. I wasn't stupid. I wasn't trying to get killed. I wasn't about to fucking ever go do anything like that with this dude.

No matter. And they tried. Because I got caught with a fucking half ounce of coke. I mean, the only thing that saved my ass was it was in one bag, so it wasn't intent to sell. Right. Yeah. I mean, I had digital scales in the car. I had a plate with lines chopped out on

it, razor blades, fucking whatever, dude. One of my mom's nice Longer Burger fucking plates in the car with like just rails a blow on it. But yeah, they tried. And I was like, look, man, you guys are fucking crazy.

I said, you charge me, whatever. I said, I'm not telling you shit. I was like, I'm not trying to get killed. Oh, we can make sure. I said, you can't make sure of anything, dude. And then no, or anyway. No, they do not. They'll be your best friend to you give them what you want, man. I fucking hate cops.

I do. Like I said, Josh is kind of the exception, the guy I mentioned. And the guy who, you know, was my handler from the local police department. Like I said, Josh was brought in there to work this case. But that guy was a good dude as well. His name was Mike. And he actually looked out for me. He really did.

Which we'll get into some more of that later. But so anyway, went right back up and got more. Kept doing what I was doing. Fast forward, you know, maybe about a year later, I'd been to Columbus. couple times going to court, you know, trying to show that I was trying to get sober. I, you know, it had the X amount of clean urine screens that I went and took all my own recognizance at that point

from like, you know, just to show the judge. Things like that. And I happened to be, let's see, so one night we're in town here local and I was hanging out with that guy, Eric, that I mentioned earlier that I used to drive for, okay? and so we had kind of been hanging out a little bit and I'd went up earlier the day

and gotten some Coke and stuff and for whatever reason that day I thought it would be a good idea to go rent a car I used to like to rent cars all the time drive different shit so I drove all the way to Huntington, West Virginia this day to the airport and rented a fucking Ford expedition

just a giant fucking SUV why I don't know and I'll never forget that I don't know why, but, um, so I had this SUV. I'm out riding around, delivering some shit to people, getting high, just business as usual. And, uh, Eric calls me a few hours after I dropped him off. And he's like, hey man, I got a guy that wants, you know, a quarter ounce. He's like, come meet me over such and such. I had no reason to think there's a problem, you know, whatever. So I'd go over and meet him, he comes, he gets in the car. I fucking weigh it out right there in the car.

Again, got scales in the car. Didn't learn anything, dude. Got diggies in the car. the whole thing. Right. And it's not even my car. It's a fucking real car. You know what I'm saying? So, uh, he goes, let me, I weigh it out, give it to him. And I probably after I waited out, I think I started somewhere like maybe between six and eight grams left on me, you know, still in the bag. Uh, so I give it to him. He's like, let me take this over to him and show him. He's like, if, as long as it's, you know, they want to see it first. And like, I thought,

okay, whatever. And he's like, then I'll bring you the money back. so he takes off out of the car and like I said at this point I had no reason not to trust him I mean I was going to get my shit from the same dude he got his shit from you know what I'm saying so about 30 minutes go by and I call him he doesn't answer and then about another 10 minutes go by

and he calls me back and he's like hey man I wouldn't park down there at that gas station where you met me he's like a lot of cops have been driving by there lately and I thought that's a fucking weird thing to say you know what I mean like why would you say that I can't hear you, buddy See?

You mute it, man. It goes to hell the hand cart. Sorry, I was going to say, especially after all that time, like, if that was an issue, why did you tell me that when you got out of the car? Why did you have me meet you there in the first place if you knew this, okay?

So I'm like, well, that's kind of weird, man. But he goes, he says, he says, I'll be there in five minutes. He's like, just be careful. and I'm high and when you're high you don't fucking think right anyway so I swear God no sooner

than I pulled in back into this gas this is probably 3 o'clock in the morning at this point no sooner than I pulled back into this gas station and shut the fucking motor off I was surrounded by the fucking local sheriff's department this motherfucker

which I can't say anything because I mean I did something I wore a wire to get myself out of trouble okay this motherfucker just didn't want to pay for the dope so when I gave him the quarter ounce went back to the house where he was partying at called the cops on me so they would know where I would be

so he didn't have to pay me for it I found all this out later from just people and stuff like that so he basically snitched on me so he could get a free quarter ounce of dope these fucking drug addicts I know bro you can't trust them no I know man and like I said

I didn't belong there because I was a good for, I felt sorry for people. Like, I had no business being a fucking drug addict. Like, how many drug addicts you know that would give, or how many dealers do you know, not that you're in that world, but anybody watching this will go, bro,

you fucking idiot. Like, yeah, I shouldn't have gave a quarter ounce to fucking blow to someone. I've been like, sure, take it over to the guy's house and let him look at it. Like, I've realized how stupid that is. But I'm not going to lie to you. You know what I mean? You know, you're not, you're not a great, you're not a

drug dealer, I mean. No. Terrible at it. Terrible out of it. People would lie to me. I would sell them the fucking grim. I'd deliver it, drop it off. I'd get halfway back home and they'd be like, oh, I weighed this, man. It was like, 0.2

fucking light, which I knew better, because I weighed it for and left the fucking house. They'd already taken some out of it. I would feel bad. Turn around, go back, and give them fucking, here's point two. And, like, stupid shit like that. Because I, fucking... Stupid. Yeah. It was 20...

Yeah, I was 20 fucking three years old, man, at this point. So, I get surrounded. You were trying to be able to the brand. Yeah. Yeah, it was working well. Yeah, yeah. I was working towards Shark Tank, which didn't fucking exist then. But yeah, yeah, I was trying to get on with it, you know, Mark Cuban.

So they were still around the car. Same scenario again. Peripedia in the car, but all the dope, I'd taken it out. and weighed it, giving him 7 grams, which is a quarter-out. And, you know, and then put everything back into one bag. So, again,

I didn't have a bunch of shit split up in the car, pre-weight up, ready to sell, whatever. So they surround the car, get me, and again, it's all in one bag. So now we got 14 grams I got caught with in Columbus, and now, if I remember, it was close to 8 grams, that I got caught with here locally. Okay?

So that's a good bit of blow to get caught with. You know what I mean? I mean, it's not, you know, I understand that there's people that have done way more than me that have got caught with way more, but for the small town that I'm from, these are pretty crazy fucking things.

Like people around here just didn't do that kind of shit. Did you tell the cops that you just been through this? Like, I've been through this, fellas. I'm in the middle of this whole thing right now. They knew. They knew. Yeah.

Like I said, this is a small, town work you know people knew that I'd been arrested in Columbus people knew that I had been in jail people like this is not a big place it's it's fucking horrible here I don't recommend it at all to anybody not that I'm

saying exactly where I'm at but I just it's small town to marry it's fucking Mayberry you know like it's there's there's very they have very little patients with drug dealers there yes it's I mean bad idea yeah yeah man

bunch of cock diesel fucking redneckers nine they're not they're not curtailing their way of life for drug dealers no no yeah yeah and this is back in like oh three men when it was just different then i mean you you're older just like me you remember how different it was then than it is now like people don't understand you know it's just so yeah those they're just a bunch of redneck motherfuckers with that every cop of ever men's been a high school bully with a badge Every one of them. And, and COs in prison. Same thing. You know what I mean? Like, what'd you say, bro? Like, fucking just cock diesel, you know what I mean? Like, that's what... Right. Stupid and big. That's what most of them are. Just court-fed fucking just country boys. Ooh, you know, whatever. So, they get me. Of course, I get arrested. They take me up to the station. Same thing. And, you know, within a couple hours, I'm in the... local jail and this time my mom

you know I'd like so I'm an only child you know adult not like any of the people I was selling to were going to come bail me out you know what I mean yeah did uh didn't you but didn't you explain to them listen I've been good to you yeah yeah you oh you guys really gotta owe me well I I had mentioned that time

remember that time you said I didn't weigh it right and I had turned around and came back? Yeah. No, no, no. Oh, I thought you meant to police because I mentioned to the... Oh, believe me, I mentioned to them, like, I've worked with you guys, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I got the drug... Oh, drug dealer buddies bailing you out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, neither one of them gave a fuck, not the cops or the fucking drug addicts, you know what I mean? I told them, like, I've worked with you with so-and-so from this police department.

They give no fucks. They don't care. They... No, no, they don't care. uh so this time local jail and the local jail here you know you have all criminals from all walks of life in it you know county jail is the worst place i think you can agree anybody agree you're a lockdown 23 fucking hours a day yeah you know and they're slipping your fucking dinner through a mail shoot in the fucking door like here's your tray you know what i mean there's there's a guy in there for uh tax evasion

and there's a guy in there for uh killing two fucking uh or two corrects new whatever an FBI agent yeah oh yeah or low-length drugs and you're like what am I doing in here with the killer yeah yeah it's a it's a mixed bag it is man and I got lucky because I was in a four-man cell most of the cells in this jail were two man I was in a four-man cell and it actually had its own phone in the cell oh so it had its own pay phone in the cell and there was four bucks instead of two so there was enough people in one cell to play play fucking cards. Right.

So you could play yuker, you could, whatever. You know, spades, poker, whatever fuck it was. So this time, my mom lets me sit in there for 45 days. Like, during

that whole period, I'm getting to go over to the court, you know, like to try to get released on an OR bond. Like, I've been in jail now for a week,

then two weeks, then like, they're not letting me out. She's not bailing me out. Eventually, after about 45 days, I had another court date coming up and I remember my stepdad got on the phone

when I called home and collect one night and he said, you know, listen if they don't let you out the next time you go he's like, we'll step in and do something. And I was like so I knew I was going to finally be able to get out like, you know, almost however, almost two months later

you know. Yeah, the sunshine, sorry about that. It's this house has a lot of windows unfortunately. So I hate that sunlight Yeah, I fucking just Like a fucking vampire

Bro Even though And yeah, I also go to tanning bed If you can't tell So fucking cancer Yeah, I'm super smart I'm so smart Yeah

Yeah, I know Yeah, I feel like tan day before yesterday I don't give a fuck I don't care But what about the vitamin Pack Oh yeah, yeah Well I figure it evens itself out

You know what I mean Yeah. If I stay hydrated, take the vitamins. Like, I can smoke and tan. I don't fucking care. I don't give a shit. I've made it 42 years. If I'm not dead yet, bro, like, listen, somebody up there is looking out. They have to be. Or I'm just, I don't know, but I'm too dumb to die, I guess. So I finally get out of Jackson, you know, of, what if fucking say my name? I finally get out of this. I finally get out of this. jail and I um you know at this point not been doing any drugs I've been in jail I've gained all this fucking weight back I'd looked fucking terrible I mean some people would have said I looked good because I wasn't 105 pounds anymore but I've just been in there eating and fucking you know whatever and so got out went to court and then that's when the lawyer from Columbus they had

given me um basically a quarter-pointed attorney with this local charge and then he basically took over both cases and got them to run it you know concurrent both charges together right you know so I had to go back to Columbus one more time um for for that and the judge you know allowed it to be run together

and all this stuff and whatever and then for the local one um finally went in front of the you know common please judge for that and uh I'd never been you know I'd only been arrested once before which was the Columbus thing, you know. I've never been in trouble, never been in any kind of real whatever. I've never had, and even to this day, I've never had the domestic violence. I've never had anything like that. I'm not a violent guy. Just not, you know. So the judge agreed to let me have

what was called treatment in lieu of conviction. So if I would have, yeah, rehab, stay on the right path, go to probation, urine screens, you know, of course I couldn't do that. Why would I want to do that? Yeah, that's for suckers. Yeah, quitters. Quidders. Yeah, fucking quitters. Pussies.

Ah, this fucking guy, man, this fucking probation officer. I hate this fucking prick to this day, but I got him back, and I'll tell you why. Years later. I'm 24 at this point or whatever. This guy, his name was Frank. He's a fucking, you know, not the emperor. No. No, different Frank.

uh see i watch your stuff man uh but different guy and uh you know fucked with me something awful hated me because i would test dirty all the time uh you know shut up of my fucking house just i mean raid the fucking house tear it apart move the couch looking for shit whatever and it just he are you saying that he wanted you to abide by the the by your probation? Yeah, that's crazy, right? Yeah. What a dick. I know. Yeah. These guys are the worst. Yeah, I

don't know what they think when they read their job title, but like, they're just fucking idiots. You know, like, I... You're telling me that... Yeah. I can't commit additional crimes and do... No. Probation. But here's the best... Yeah. Overkill.

Yeah, and here's the best part. The judge had even also implemented house arrest, unmonitored. so no ankle monitor I've been on an ankle monitor for other charges this time this was no ankle monitor try going to town to sneak

out of your house to go to grocery store and running into the judge at Kroger's and he knows you're supposed to be on fucking Alceraz like and he just looks at it and says hello Mr. Such and such and I'm like oh fuck you know like oh that's happened

yeah that's fucking happened that's how some of the outcome of it or not he didn't say work I mean the look who gave me was all it needed to be said but he saw me in there and then course wasn't like a day or so later here's the probation department again at my fucking house

checking it. You know what I mean? I'm just picking up some bread. Yeah but I'm picking up bread and I told I said to him and I said I really just what I said to him in store that night when I ran into it. I said I just needed to come and get some food I kind of put my hands up like this and he just looked at me. He didn't fucking say anything

and I thought oh shit And then, yeah, so I was probably on probation, felony probation. And so the ultimate charge that I got was a felony five. Okay, that's what I pled out to, because everything was in one bag, both times. It wasn't intent to sell. I had an addiction problem. So, you know, it was a felony five is what I go. and so

trying to be probation and shit I kept pissing dirty and everything man it just didn't fucking work you know what I mean and uh so eventually I kind of got tired of getting violated I got tired of getting thrown in

county jail for a fucking week whatever the case was so eventually I went to Frank and I said look uh I said man how much time I got for Michelle and I had about a year a little over a year over my head

is basically what it was. Because I had done counting time and like all that stuff, they count all that toads. Yeah. And so, um, the,

uh, oh, well, I didn't mention that. So the rehab part of the, uh, of the sentence, I got sent to a halfway house.

I got thrown out of there. I got caught having a cell phone. So there's a, there's a fucking halfway house in, You want to have a cell phone? No, it was in Lancaster, Ohio. It's called the Community Transition Center is right next to a fucking dollar generis.

And... Do you tell them about white privilege, though? Did you tell them that... None to go after. Yeah. I don't have to follow these rules. Yeah, not until after. Yeah, I should have told them before,

but like I thought, you know, I thought they knew at this point. And you have to walk in the door and you have to let them know, Hey, I know that you guys have some rules. Yeah. But I was raised upper middle class. Yeah. See, you think, like, you think, in the funny when you really kind of find out that the rules do apply to you?

Because I always thought they didn't apply to me. You know, like, but. Yeah. And I've literally told people the rules don't apply to me. I mean, I just to say, yeah, that's, that, those rules, that doesn't apply to me. Yeah. That's, yeah, that doesn't apply to me. No.

To the little people. Yeah, not me. Yeah, not me. I'm not like you. Right. But when it does catch up to you and you find out that they do apply to you, it sucks. It sucks. It sucked bad.

Yeah, because up to this point, you know, I'd always been good at talking and good at whatever. And I'd gotten myself out of a lot of shit. You know what I mean? There were so many times that I did get pulled over and had a ton of dope in the car and got out of them not searching it or, you know, whatever. like it was almost like I wanted to get caught in a way I mean there was dude there was one night I was in Columbus staying at a hotel we were partying up there and I left to go get dope and on the way back I'm on 270 which is the main highway there there's a big four lane highway and I I'm running 103 miles an hour

and this is like 4 o'clock in the morning just pitch black no one on the highway and there's a fucking Columbus cop setting like clocking people on the highway I ripped past this motherfucker. Now, I told you I was at a hotel, right? It was at Ameri Host Inn. Okay, the reason I remember that is because I had a hot tub room and they provided backrobes. Well, I was driving with that fucking backrobe on.

And a backwards hat with a fucking toothbrush sticking out of the side of it. I looked like a fucking lunatic, dude. I had an Ameri Host Inn backrobe on, backwards hat, toothbrush, and I get pulled over. You would think that would be like immediately the guy wrote me a fucking ticket was a $130 speeding ticket

and let me go, didn't even search the car if he'd have fucking opened the truck It was probably close to the end of shift Yeah, I don't go home Yeah, but like you Times like that you think Oh, I'm invincible

Yeah, I can't get caught, you know Yeah, wrong So I went looking out for me Yeah Yeah, you to smoke this though Yeah He wants me to sell this drug

He's looking out for him Oh bro You know I don't know how I'm alive Because I've ODied twice And one time while driving Like And if it wasn't for that guy Eric

That I mentioned That ended up snitching me out Being in the passenger seat And throwing the car into fucking neutral Because my foot went flat on the accelerator And basically punching me in the chest I would have died He brought me out of it

He was in the passenger seat And swung his fist like this And hit me in the sternum And I fucking come up out of it After being awake for like two days Be hydrated Just on straight coke and cigarettes No food

Yeah and OD while driving Like 60 mile an hour He was able to wrestle the car Over to the side of the fucking road And throw it in neutral And like yeah So just and but I'm still here I thought yeah of course

I thought the rules didn't apply to me Of course. So I got thrown out a halfway house, got taken to the local jail, not released her nail, then, you know, came back to my town, and then, you know, more probation, more, you know, more supervision. And then eventually, like I said, I went to him and said, you know, how much time do I have? He told me. I said, just give me everything I got.

I said, I can't do this ship. I can't do probation. I said, you know, I just, I want to do whatever I've got and be done. with this I want it past me you know and um and he agreed and he also agreed that when I got out there would be no post-release control I didn't have to get out and go to a halfway house you know I wasn't a violent offender um anything like that and so I went to uh you know first so first I got taken to uh CRC which is the correctional receiving center in Columbus Ohio. And there is, you know, where they figure out where your institution's going to be and

then ride you out to your parent institution from there. So while I'm in CRC, I got put in the medical dorm because I was, you know, crazy. And they knew I had mental issues. I had meds and all this shit. So I'm in the medical dorm and the first day, I'm up on the top tier. You know, it was like a horse shoe shape, and I'm up on the top tier. And I happen to look down, and who do I see that's in jail with me at CRC? Now, for people from Ohio, they'll know, they should know. And especially if you're a high state football fan, which if you're from Ohio, most people are. I was in prison with Maurice Claret, which was the number 13 for the high state Buckeyes.

This was in 2000. I was in, well, I was in CRC in 2007. six, so he would have played for high state in 2004, 05, somewhere in there. And he was a big deal. He got NFL contracts. I mean, he was a hell of a running back. And this guy flipped out one night in Columbus, something to do with his girl or something like that. For those of you to want to know about him, he did an interview with DJ Blod on YouTube. So Maurice Claret is on DJ Blatt's channel on YouTube. And he explains everything. But he got caught with an AK-47, a bulletproof vest, I think, 2-9 millimeters and like a liter of gray goose vodka in an escalate.

He was on his way to kill somebody. And he ran from the cops. It was this whole big deal. So for Ohio, it was a big fucking deal. Well, I was in CRC with him. Couldn't have been a cooler dude, man. Signed autographs for me. I mean, this is still back.

Tree iPhone, the first iPhone didn't come out until 2007. So, uh, my, I called my mom from jail and I said, I'm in here with Bruce Correct. My mom went to a high state to college. She's a huge high state fan. I'm like, print me out, uh, some photos of him off the computer and mail him to me in a fucking prison, you know, pre-stamped angler. And she did. She found a couple of photos of him online dial up back then, fucking, you know, and all that noise it used to make. Um, of him died in in the end zone for touchdowns, whatever.

she mails into me and dude the COs let him borrow a sharping fucking pen and he fucking signed him right there on the CEO's desk during wreck and suck it I put him back in the envelope and mailed him home so got my grandma an autograph from Maurice Claret from prison

yeah grandma was cool she's going now too um you know I was pretty much raised by her and my mom pretty much nothing but women until my mom got remarried so I mean

strong women in my family. Like, I'm very thankful for that. My grandma was a cool lady, cool, cool lady. Um, so it was in CRC, and as I mentioned before, you know, they got me on psych meds and shit in there, they had me on Thorazine. I was all fucked up, just shuffling around. And then, of course, back then you could still smoke in prison, thank God, and you couldn't smoke in your cell, but they sold chewing tobacco on fucking commissary. So I, I would chew red man, chewing tobacco in my

myself so I could get nicotine. And then going to and from chow was the only time they allowed you to smoke. In a straight line, they would walk you to and from, you know. Right. And so you could order cigarettes on commissary in there, you know, whatever. And then once I found out what my parent institution was going to be, you know, they give you a list of things you can take with you, shit like that. Like you can bring a all white pair of Nike's or any all white tennis shoes, things like that.

Well, back in, you could still bring a carton of cigarettes. with you in prison. So I took a carton of, well, camels with me, camel wides, to a prison. And back then they called them Cadillacs. So if you had name brand cigarette, you know, they, you know, basically it would say it was a carton of Cadillax.

So I brought a carton of Cadillax with me to fucking prison. I was a popular guy, man. So, yeah. So I left CRC and got taken to FCI, which is Southeastern Correction Institution, which is in Lancaster, Ohio. Which is

also where that halfway house was. And, um, so I get in there and I get put into what's called I dorm, which is, uh, the way their dorms were at this prison, everything was like a big airplane hanger. And, um, it was just rows of bunk beds, you know, just, I mean, so there was like, and they called them by, like, street names. So like first street, second street, third street. So I slept on first street right by the fucking pay phone bank which was I mean I got a bottom rack though but I just you know right by all the goddamn

pay phones fuck man all my long just I mean it's just fucking terrible you know until lights yeah until lights out I mean until lights out I mean until lights out yeah but you could still you know of course have a TV they had cable

cords you know it's a low security prison they had cable cords run to each bunk so at the end of your book there was a stand and you could buy clear, see-through, 13-inch color TV off commissary and have a TV at the end of your buck. That's nuts.

Yeah, so I had a fucking TV. It got, you know, all the four channels, and then this prison had a movie channel where you would tune into this certain channel and basically they would play DVDs all day long. They would just swap them out. So the first time I ever saw fucking Talladega Knights, Ricky Bobby,

fucking shake a bait, was in fucking prison. Because they played it on the fucking closed loose. inside the prison in there you know so I did all my time there in I dorm and it was so funny I remember the first day I got there uh you know there was people in there locally from my town that I knew and recognized and I remember this one guy's names Jason he's dead now I mean a lot of people I knew her dead um but Jason was one of the biggest just fuck up been arrested 100,000 more times ever was, like, he's lived in the same town as me, so, you know, everybody knew everybody.

And then, I get taking to prison the first day I've seen him, and he's in the fucking honor dorm. Of all people, to be in the honor dorm, this fucking guy. Like, if you knew, you know, it's, it's kind of a story you had to be there, but if you knew this guy and knew who he was, to see him

in the fucking honor dorm was ridiculous. Right. Yeah. So I'll never forget that. But did all my time there, man. And, you know, made it through, you know, unscathed. I never had to go to the hole or anything like that, luckily. You know.

How long was it again? 13 months. 13 months. Okay. Yep. 395 days. And I had, that was the total sentence. I had done like 50, I think it was 55 days is what it ended up being in county.

So they took that off the, you know, the total. So I spent, you know, 300. you have 10 days in prison basically in that prison in you know so yeah but it was 13 months total but yeah man

Jesus Christ so got out of there and basically had nothing you know I got released March 11th of 2007 and I decided in there I never wanted to go back you know now to just to give you an example I've been sober 13 years now

and that's legit no relax no fucking nothing straight up and down sober so aside from cigarettes and caffeine bro but that's it I don't even more right so but when I got out you know uh it's um I fucked up a few times when you know when I got out I didn't get necessarily put back in joke is like again I got out I didn't have any post release control I didn't have any you know, probation, anything like that. You know what I mean? So,

fucked up a few times, but basically was living with my grandmother and had nothing, no car, no nothing. And, uh, eventually meant this girl.

Can I have a question? What do you mean fucked up? Like you said you didn't have any relapses. Right. Well, no, I mean, now 13 years later,

I have not had any relapses, anything like that. But when I, so, but what you know because if you add 13 to 2007 that's it that would only be 2020 this is 2023 so there was about a year or so after I got out of prison maybe where I still went back to the pain pill thing right I never did I never did coke again but I went back to the pain pill thing again and started getting into that and of course you know that just it was just all

bad you know what I mean just and I it was hard but I eventually got straightened up got a you know cheap car and, you know, started to kind of work my way towards just, you know, getting better, you know, that kind of stuff. You know what I mean? And, you know, again, to fast forward a little bit, as I sent you last night, you know, a lot of people don't get this lucky, but I actually got to get my felony expunged. You know, it took me 20 years, you know, basically to do that. I mean, my original charge was the first time I ever got caught with Coke. I was, I think, what, 21, 22. I just got the felony taken off my record April of last year.

So, I mean, it took me 20 years to pay off all the fines and all the, you know, get a valid driver's license, valid insurance, stay clean, not relapse, not be arrested for anything else, yada, yada, yada, you know, all this stuff. Right. But you have to wait 10 years from your original sentence date before you can even apply to get the felony taken off your record. your charge has to be 10 years old you know what I mean

right um so but yeah I hired an attorney man last year and uh you know got to go and you know what's so funny is after all this craziness man and all this madness and it took that long to get this felony expunged when I went in front of the judge that day

the original judge that had charged me at the felony court was not even on the bench anymore at this point you know what I mean that was 20 years ago so going to the court it took two minutes for them to be like sure you're not a felon anymore what i was going to say they don't like the federal system they won't do this a lot of the states will yeah and so it's when i went into court that day that was me my attorney the judge and the prosecutor okay and of course i got yelled that by the judge i'll tell you why in a minute um i thought

going to court that day was for a celebratory thing. Like, hey, I'm going for a good reason. Again, my felony expunged. I don't need to wear a suit and tie. So I wore shorts and a hoodie. Yeah. Yeah. I wore basically something like this. And, you know, like some fucking sex way. I had a fucking pair of shorts

and Adidas slides. And he, they presented it to the court. He, you know, said, well, I'm going to go ahead and allow this to go through. Prosecutors, do you have any you know, whatever? And she said no.

And so he says, okay, we're going to allow this to go through. And then he goes, he says my last name. And he says, how about next time you don't wear shorts to court? And I was like, oh, your honor, I'm, you know, I'm sorry. He said, I don't plan on there being next time. He goes, well, yeah, how about next time you just don't do it? And I was like, yes, sir, you know what I mean? Fucking skittaddled the fuck out of there.

So, you know, got my felony expung, man. Like, again, I've heard you talk about this. you know, I couldn't own a firearm, you know, I couldn't fucking vote, I couldn't have a passport, anything. Now, and with the paperwork that I sent you to you, I mean, do you have a chance to look at it? I read it. Okay. Yeah, now I can do all those things again, man.

I mean, I busted ass to do that, you know what I mean, to fucking be, not that I'll ever vote because who gives a fuck, but I want to own some guns. God damn it. This is America. I'm white. I want some guns. You know what the fuck?

Yeah, dude. yeah seriously yeah i know i know i know you i shouldn't have said that but it's true um so did you buy did you go get a gun not yet because you know just uh i wanted i i wanted i i wanted and i never did get a gun but you know or a passport or a passport not yet i think you can actually get a passport except if you owe fines and stuff they typically don't want to issue you a passport that's not what they told me oh they said you couldn't yeah they told me that if i wanted to go anywhere the farthest i could go is porto rico because it's considered part of the united states like if i wanted to go outside the united states before i got the felony expunge that's a no-go you could not go

get a passport now i have a passport see maybe it's in a higher wall i don't you know what i mean well i also got permission from my judge to get the passport there you go yeah okay see that maybe that has something to do with it. I never, yeah, I never applied. I never even tried to go get one because, I mean, really, I'm not a rich guy. I really don't have a shit ton of extra money to travel a bunch, you know, things like that. But, uh, I mean, I hope to get one one day and be able to actually fucking use it yet. And, um, you know, the gun thing, I honestly have been afraid to walk in there because, you know, they're going to do a background check on you right there. And even though I've got the paperwork, it's just been this little thing in the back

my head like you know plan for it you know yeah you have a couple of days off yeah case they grab you and throw you in jail you can you know keep the paperwork with you yeah yeah no shit i mean and it's expected well it didn't just happen last year as of april and i asked the the attorney that i hired by the way this whole thing to get it expunged and and they will allow you to uh file the paperwork yourself. So if you wanted to try to get your felony expunge and do it yourself without hiring an attorney and paying an attorney

whatever, they won't allow that. It has to be an attorney to go to the court and file the paperwork. That's what they told me anyway. So it was $1,500 for everything. So not bad. No, not bad, no. But yeah, man, it just happened

April last year and I asked him. I said, you know, well, how long does it take for them to get, you know, you guys send out letters to all these FBI, all these different bureaus to scrub my name from their system, all this shit. And he's like, well, we send out the letters. He's like, it's a, you know, required by law that they do it. He's like, I couldn't tell you exactly how long.

And I thought, it's only been, you know, this April, this upcoming April next month will be a year since I got the felony experience. And I thought, I'm not trying to yet, man. Like, I wonder if they've all done it, you know, like shipping my name out of the system. I'm out. Well, I'll let you know when I try it after I get fucking hand. I'm calling you I'm going to be like

Matt guess where I'm at I'll be like yeah I knew that shit wasn't gonna work yeah I'm like fucking hell

yeah you'll be like you're like only of other guys that didn't help bail me out the first time I'll be like

I don't know what I can do for you but yeah man in the book yeah dude Jesus God

it's fucking commissary man bro I got I was listening I was lucky in fucking prison I smoke

I basically spent that's what I spent my money on was with cigarette though I was I was able to smoke Every time we go to commissary

They sold Newports, Marlboros, whatever On commissary at the prison I was in I would buy seven packs of cigarettes One for each day A couple bags of noodles And then I'd play cards and shit For everything else for a brick of milds Or black of milds, whatever to fuck

Or for someone that I'd pay someone To do laundry for me, whatever But yeah I luckily could smoke in there man Because like I'd feel sorry for these fuckers now That can't have nicotine in prison Jesus Christ Yeah

yeah it keep we'll keep prisoners calm yeah I mean but it's a good thing you want prisoners to be calm there's less violence if you if you would allow them the smoke like Iber it makes people happy to be able to go out and have a fucking cigarette like no wonder

all these fuckers are on edge they're taking everything from them except caffeine like you know so I thought you came down with cancer again in the yes so yes so last year again um so just a second

I smoke a cigarette to tell you about So I roll out of the tanny bed I'm looking at a cigarette And I look down And there's a there's a mole on my leg Let me see if I can show you This fucking camera So I'm going to go this way with it

Can you see the line Do you see it? No It's right here I believe Okay Okay There's a word when you and I hang up

Actually what I'll do do medical photos bother you? No. Okay. I'm going to send you pictures of it because I had the guy was like when he had me open removing everything

I told the nurse because I was awake I was like, take a photo of this shit so I've got a picture of it. It's gnarly. It looks like someone took a fucking melon baller and just took a scoop out of the side of my neck. So last year I went to the dermatologist

to get a checkup, whatever, and I had this spot on my neck right here and it had been there my whole life kind of like the mole on my leg and it had recently started to like peel

a little bit and was kind of hurt you know it never did that before because I've always worn like necklaces and stuff and it was rubbing against it and it's never bothered me until then and so they obviously that very day that I went they cut it off and then you know cauterized it

did another biopsy on it. So I get a phone call and they're like, you have a tumor in your neck. And I'm like, fuck, man, really? And they're like, yeah. And it's not as bad as it sounds. It's a basal cell carcinoma,

but you have a tumor. And I'm like, okay. And so go back, you know, it was about a month later, went back and got to actually see the surgeon from that dermatologist's office. And then right there that day, fucking needle pop up up

all the way around it to numb it you know and waited about 30 minutes for all that to take hold and then literally man scalpel opened me up cauterized it so it wouldn't bleed and then cut around all the fucking margins in there and um you know

and then this guy was a fucking wizard with stitches when I show you the picture was the size of the hole and what he closed it up to and how now you can't even see it you know what I mean like you can't see it at all unless you were right up on me. It's amazing how good it healed.

So, yeah, I had cancer again. And didn't have to do, luckily, any treatment this time, they managed to get it early enough and get all the margins when they cut it out. You know, I didn't have to go back. So, yeah, I beat cancer twice, man. Family, yeah, yeah. I'm like a cockroach, bro.

Like, you know, I just, you can't kill me. Just keep going. What the doctor say about the smoking and the... Oh, yeah. Oh, of course. Keep it up. Yeah. He said, he said, Mr. Such and Such.

He's like, I want you to know that you are the reason that I, you know, do health care. He's like, I think there should be more people like you that smoke a pack a day and tan three times a week. He's like, I want you to spread the wood. No, he didn't say. A job security. Yeah. I thought, wouldn't you care, motherfucker. My insurance pays your fucking salary.

I don't need a life lesson. He's like, well, if you don't smoke, you'll heal quicker. I thought, I'll take that under advisement. I had a bucket cigarette in my mouth as soon as I walked out in the hospital park a lot, where it said no smoking, as a matter of fact. Quitters. I'm not fucking, um, whatever. All right.

So, yeah. Um, it's been good. Yeah, man. Um, Jesus, you see that? Uh, there's, you know like you mentioned the other day on the phone i understand you can edit and cut some of the stuff up uh that day i think it was just the number one you know to go from seeing you on here and then all of a sudden fucking mattie's on the phone with me and then i've really had just gotten up

i'm on this horrible schedule man i don't go to bed till nine in the morning and i get up around two three two thirty in the afternoon and i'm up all day after that and then around like 11 at night, I'll sleep maybe two hours. And then I am right back up at about 2.30 in the morning and I'm up all night long until 9 a.m. again. And it's just, it's been that way for years now. You know what I'm saying? Um, there's a couple. There's a couple other, uh, you know, really good stories that I'd like to tell you. Um, you know, my ex, the one that kind of saved my life, there's a whole story with that. And then I didn't get a chance to tell you about the Mexican girl that I flew here from Mexico

that I had never met in person before. Why did you fly her in? That's a whole story, bro. You will hear it? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. So this would have been after my ex and I broke up, okay? The one that I have, you got out of prison? Yes. And this was after I'd lived with my grandmothers. Then I eventually met my, she's my ex now, but my, you know, a girl, her and I got together. and she really kind of was the lifesaver that got me the rest of the way over the hump and got me to get sober.

You know, I'm sure you've heard the term sin-eater before. This girl was my sin-eater. It was so weird to see happen in real time, but this nice, wholesome girl, what she wanted to do with me, I'll never know. But the more her and I were together, it was like all the bad things that I had, all the bad habits, all that shit, slowly came off of me and got put on to her. And she became an addict.

She started doing fucking pain pills. She started, you know, and then we had to both be put on Suboxone. And, you know, all this kind of crazy shit. It was so odd to look back now and think about. Because everything that was bad that I needed to quit and move forward from, she kind of took off of me and put on to her. And then after eight years of being together, you know, she had started cheating on me with her ex-husband over Facebook.

She wasn't from here. She was from San Antonio, Texas. She had moved here to Ohio to be closer to one of her brothers who lived here and worked here at one of the factories around here. And so I met her through a mutual friend. We got together and basically were inseparable from the night we met. Didn't, you know, we got together, went home that night together, and then just she basically never left my side.

We stayed together until eight years later until she left. and when she left she fucking took every name we had a truck that was in both of our names so I couldn't report it stolen she took the truck took like some of my clothes took a bunch of furniture and she had I came home to a fucking empty house it was yeah and she didn't even know that she had been cheating on me I had to find that out

through one of our mutual friends because you know she was just I came home and she was gone I had no idea what the fuck was going on and then a mutual friend of ours called and was like, look, you know, Tina left, she's not coming back. She's going back to Texas. You know, she told me to call and tell you this, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like trying to call her phone.

She won't pick it up. She was gone. And then find out she had been cheating on me on Facebook for like the last six months with her ex-husband back in Texas. He fucking Western Unioned her the money to be able to afford to pack up the truck and come back home to him. And she did. When you say cheating on me on Facebook,

You mean, she'd just been communicating with him. Well, yes, but making, I still consider that cheating. Talking back and forth with your ex-husband, making plans to leave me to go be with him, talking. Yeah, so, yeah, I say cheating, but yes. Okay, yeah. And then she took off. Yes, she took off. And then so, I've always been really good at talking on the phone.

You know, if maybe you can't tell from this interview, I've never had a problem talking or, you know, whatever. I've always been really good over the phone. And that's, this will matter in a second. So, a friend of mine, Nick, he was actually my barber, had a flat screen TV, and this is 2000, what, this would have been like 2009, somewhere around in there, something like that. When, you know, smart TVs were still kind of expensive, they weren't a very normal thing like they are now where you can get one for 200 bucks. Right.

So he had a regular flat screen TV, but it was big. It was like, I think it was 55 inch or something. which was still considered big back then. And I had a smart TV, but it was small. It was like 43 inch or something. It was a Vizio. And he's like, I'll trade you this bigger sameo, you know, flat screen for your smaller TV because it's a smart TV.

And I was like, well, I had cable with the house. So I was like, fuck yeah, I'll trade you. I just want a bigger screen. I don't even use the smart TV. Right. So trade it. Well, he had had this TV mounted on his wall. And when he gave me the TV, it didn't have a base with it.

you know, to set it on an entertainment stand or something like that, right? So, I thought, well, what the fuck am I going to do with this TV? Man, I don't want to screw holes in the wall. I don't even know to this place. I was renting a place, you know, where my ex and I had been living. And I thought, I don't want to screw holes in the wall. I'm going to call Sanyo and see if I can get a base for this TV. So I call Sanyo.

Now, here's the first thing. Did you know Sanyo is in Tijuana, Mexico? Well, if you ever buy Sanyo TV, that's where they make that motherfucker. Tijuana, Mexico. That is where Sainio is, and that's where their call center is. So I call the 1-800 number for Saino. They, you know, go through the automated bullshit, and they transfer me to the, I guess they would call it the parts in there, or the repair department. They had a name for this department. This girl picks up the phone and says that her name is Meredith.

And she's got that thickest Mexican accent, Spanish, whatever, Latino accent, you can imagine. okay like yeah my ass your name's marioness like yeah hello my name is top yeah yeah no no it's not and so I start talking but she spoke really good English she just had her thick accent but she understood perfect so I start talking to her explained to her

give her the model number of the TV and she's like oh yeah I have a base for that she's like I'll tell you what after talking to her for about 30 minutes she's like I'm going to send you this base for free and I'm like really she's like yeah and I'm like okay sure enough like 10 days later I hadn't received anything

so I call her back again and I'm like did you send it she's like oh yeah I send it out I swear so everything because she was the sole person in this department that ordered all the parts and ships every time you would call you would get her okay so I call her back she's like yeah I promise I mailed it you know what

all the stuff sure enough as I'm on the phone with her I swear to God there's a knock at my door it's the fucking UPS man it's the fucking base to the TV as I'm on the phone with her asking like where it is whatever

to open the door fucking package on the porch it's the base to this same new TV so I'm like you won't believe this it just came right now like I'm all the phone with her and she's like oh I'm so glad you got it all this stuff so she was so nice

for sending me that base from time to time I would call back and just talk to her okay just talked to yeah why she was at work okay because i at this point was stuck in home i had no car my aunt and i'd split up she took the truck i was at home basically all day every day had nothing to do lonely and i was fucking calling people man something to do and i'm calling this girl in fucking mexico because i'm using the one 800 number for same yo so it's not like i'm dialing direct to mexico and uh call her come to find out her real name uh i'll give you her first name i couldn't even bearer fucking pronounce it. It was, uh, like Louadra or Louie. So, but she said

everybody calls me Lou Looly. So that's what I called them. Looly. So I would call back periodically from time to time. Well, talking on the phone while she was at work, um, turned into her and I emailing each other. Then we emailed photos to one another. So I saw what she looked like. Beautiful girl. about five foot tall, you know, built kind of like a gymnast, long brown hair, pretty face,

you know, so we start, and then I get her real phone number through the email. So now I'm calling her in Mexico on her cell phone, and we're talking back and forth. This goes on for a couple months.

Then, I had an iPad at the time. She did not, but her mom did. So she goes to her mom's house one day, and now she borrows her mom's iPad, and we start video chatting. Now, this is all

over the course of, like, months, this has all happened from TV base to now I'm video chatting with this girl that works for fucking saying you. Right. Nuts. Okay? And as we keep video chatting and stuff, like I'm telling her about my life,

she's telling me about hers, all this kind of shit, and they celebrate pretty much the same holidays that we do in Mexico. Like Veterans Day, like, stuff like that. They had, that's considered a holiday over there as well. um so there was a holiday coming up now i can't remember which holiday it was but she was going to have a long weekend from work and we've been talking about six months at this point and i said look um if you'll i'll cover half your plane ticket

if you'll if you fly here okay i'd get my mom involved it was so she agrees so as i'm on video chat with her i grab the phone we call fucking Delta book her a plane ticket it was like 300 I mean no no no no scratch that that was the rental car it was like

it was like all together it was like $1,200 or something like that because that's a far flight dude you know what I mean round trip and I agreed to pay for half of it and she would cover the rental car because I had no car she knew that

you know um so so we plan all this out and the day that she's supposed to fly out like I'm trying to call her and she's not picking up the phone and I thought oh shit she bailed you know what I mean finally she picks up the phone

and I did find out later on that she was considering not coming you know she was nervous a braid whatever so but we had been talking back and forth on video chat almost like you were dating somewhere and we had talked about maybe like I was thinking about maybe moving to Mexico like as crazy shit

because I just I had nothing else going on in life I didn't give a fuck and I had no passport but obviously because I'm still a felon

at this point back then but she you know you can cross into Mexico but I just couldn't come back because I had no passport yeah but they're gonna let you back

you're gonna remember well yeah yeah but um so the day comes I'd have my mom take me to fucking

Columbus International Air Force because I had no way to get there Right. And we're going to rent a car from the airport once I got there. So all this anticipation, all this shit, right? She had seen me live and in color for months on video chat. It's not like I was a stranger. She didn't know what I looked like. Right.

So fly up there that day. I go to the terminal. I watch the whole fucking plane room load. Nope. And I'm like, so I call her cell phone. She picks it up. I'm like, I'm standing here at the terminal. Where are you? oh I already got off the plane she had gotten off before I even got her she's like I'm an enterprise rental car down blah blah blah at the end of the fucking thing

so I haul out back through the fucking airport down to enterprise rental park turn the corner how'd you miss her I don't know she must have gotten off like right before I'd gotten there and I just through all the crowd of people walked past her and didn't see her

like said she was five foot tall you know what I mean like short little small thing uh so I'd bust ass back through the airport port, get down to where Enterprise is, and it was all like surrounded by glass, you know, I turned a corner, look through the fucking thing, and there she is standing at the fucking counter at Enterprise. She sees me, I see her. I'm like, you know, run inside, give each other a big fucking hug. She's got a, uh, all she brought with her was a backpack. She brought me

authentic Mexican homemade fucking tortillas for Mexico, in a backpack, flew with them. I always thought that was kind of cool. But here's the shitty part. So my mom's that yes the girl actually my mom stayed this whole time to make sure that I had a yes and that I didn't I had a way to get home because we were going to rent a car so if my mom would have just left

I'd have been stuck at the fucking airport if this girl didn't show up you know what I mean because at the time I didn't even have a driver's license right so yeah so I couldn't rent a car I couldn't need them so why don't we have a driver's license because I just had a

ID my license had been suspended for driving under suspension and like just I never got it really unstated you know basically just a lunatic yeah oh yeah yeah yeah I mean

like I had um you could still go online you personally and look up a lot of I've got a if you try to pull up my traffic violation thing online like computer banks at fucking NASA light up

like it's they'll just print pages of stop sign and speeding and fucking whatever, dude. I've had a fuck done of driving her suspensions and all kinds of shit. Crazy. So what happened? The girl. So, okay. So

we get everything done in Enterprise. We got to go outside and we're standing there and I've been waiting months to see this girl in person, right? And we talked about dating all this stuff. So as we're standing there waiting for the guys from Enterprise to bring the car up, we'd rented

like a Dodge Charger, I think it was or something. Um, uh no it was camry camry um i was excited to see her so like i hugged her again and i leaned in to kiss her and she pushes me away and goes whoa whoa and i thought oh okay and i'm like well that's kind of weird and i thought well she's been on an airplane all night long like she hadn't brushed her teeth maybe that's maybe she's read about that or something you know i don't know so we get in the car we lead there we go to Bob Evans restaurant to eat because she was hungry on the way home and she's going to stay at my house obviously with me over the weekend and then go back to the airport and you know whatever fly

home so we get to my house first day we go eat we're talking back and forth at this point I'm still thinking everything's okay we go to my house get inside and again like I'm kind of getting her settled show her the bedroom all this stuff you know um we decided we were going to kind of take a nap, so I kind of get everything together. She'd been up all night flying, so we get ready to go back there and lay down and take a nap. And again, I tried

to kiss her again, and she stops me again, and she goes, I just don't feel anything. And I'm like, excuse me? And she's like, yeah, she's like, I just don't feel anything. And I'm like, well, how would you know? You have, I'm like, well, you flew all the way here. Like, what the fuck?

And she's like, and she's like, you know, I just know myself and I just I know myself and da da da da and you can picture this in a Mexican accent and she's like I just don't feel anything and I'm like I'm fucking pit because I'm like I paid half this plane ticket like I thought I was going to get laid bro

like what are you doing? I understand you fucking twat like what are you doing? So you know like I'm so goddamn mad and she's like well we could even have sex she's like if you want but I know that I just don't feel anything and I'm like

I didn't know what to fucking do like I was so upset dude and so I kind of just left her take a nap by herself I did not go to sleep I went out, called my mom like I'm upset I'm talking to her the more upset I got

the more anger I got the more anger I got I was like okay I'm not doing this she wakes up from a nap and I said well you know I thought about what she said and I just can't do this either you need to go and she kind of just looked

at me now she had bought a book from the airport something to read right like a like a novel some thick thing from the bookstore okay that that would become revel in the minute so I'm like you just need to go I said this is I can't do this and she's like well I don't have money for a hotel but I'm like I don't know what I tell you you know like I can't stay here with you for well we could still go out and do stuff together she was like we could have fun we could go you could show me around your town I'm like nah I'm like, I don't want to, no. I'm so mad about spending the money and not getting late. No. So she leaves, after about 30 minutes to Ardening, she leaves, I have, I'm just freaking out, I'm walking around the house, and I look,

and there's that fucking book that she had bought, right? At the airport. Right. About 20 minutes later, I hear, on the fucking door. I open the door, she came back for the fucking book. For the fucking book

She bought it in airport She came back to pick up She's like I left my book here I said Here you fucking go honey And gave her the book She left I don't know where she went

I don't know if she were back to Columbus And like I don't know what I'd never heard from her again Six months of talking to this girl Flew here from Mexico Well She probably slept in the car for two days Well, but I see the way she acted where she was like, I don't feel anything, blah, blah, blah, and all this kind of shit. It almost seemed like to me. She had told me before she came that she'd never been to Ohio. But it almost seemed like she came here for another reason. Because like she wasn't into that with me. But like, I don't know. It just seemed like maybe she came here. Maybe she was going to be up with someone else or meet up with someone else. I don't know. Because, you know, she's Mexican. Whatever. Who knows what the hell she's capable of.

You know what I mean? I don't know. But... I don't know why. I don't know how that has anything to do with it, but... It's an anti-factor, Maddie. You know, she's fucking Mexican. She's dangerous.

We don't know what's happening here. It's fucking maddenous. So... But she left and I never spoke to her again. Never heard from her again. I mean, I flew her girl in from Mexico on a whim because I was lonely. And she...

Had standard. Yeah, fucking. again the rules applied to me yeah I know there's eye standards yes but she stole me on video chat soon as you and I are looking at each other now for months

I didn't change one bit from what I am now to whatever and she knew what I looked like knew what I sounded like I knew what she looked like she probably swallowed some of those things some of those the Coke thing yeah using this as that it's

excuse, she probably went to meet somebody and, you know, went through her system and she probably made bank. Well, like she, I'd never heard from her again. I don't know if she slept in a car. I didn't even fucking care at that morning. Sometimes those things pop inside there inside them and they don't get them out enough.

Yeah. Well, she'd have died on my team. Yeah. In the woods in her rented rental car probably with that book sitting beside her. Probably. That fucking book, dude, it was some vampire kind of like Twilight novel, whatever, like, you know, understandable

that she went back for it. Yeah, and his book came back to ask for the fucking book. I was, when I over that fucking door and saw her, and she's like, unless my book here, like, I'll get it, just a second. Like, pluck it. Come on, man. So, yeah.

It's upsetting. Yeah, bro. Later her say, listen, you're not thinking this through. I'm papers. You know what? Yeah. Potentially, I'm papers. Dude, and I asked her about that. After she said, I don't feel anything. I was like, but you and I talked about living together.

She's like, well, I think you're a super nice person. She's like, I'd like see you get, be happy and be, get somewhere you're back on track. She's like, I would let you live with me. She actually said that, dude. Like, we had a conversation about that, but she had just decided at that point after, like, well, no, I'm not into you now. Even though we had talked about all kinds of things, sex and every fucking thing else on video chat for months. you know women they're there i know but how many people you know that

started with a phone call and ended up flying a fucking girl here from mexico like no not a lot it's a just your boy yeah yeah fucking winter winter chicken dinner buddy yeah winner

yeah i don't know why it didn't work out dude yeah and beer was a little bit of an age difference um let's see in two Let's see. Oh, well, I would have been

I think 30 or something and I think she was 20 something. So not that big a deal. Yeah, yeah, not that big a deal. But still, you know. But yeah, good old Lulie slash Meredith

from Sanyo Jellivizu Corporation. Yeah. Tijuana, Mexico. Incorporated. Fuck. Listen. Yeah. Yeah.

As much as I want to stay on this call. Two hours, I know, Graham. I hear. Yeah. I know. I have a dinner date that I didn't make yesterday. I heard you on the live last night, so you didn't go? No, because it was so, she's like, it's so late. Right.

And we're tired and this and this. And, you know. So we ended up not going. We ended up, what did we eat? Chicken and broccoli. What were there? Oh, where was it? Healthy Choice.

yeah healthy choice yeah oh do you know what I had for dinner last night a cigarette and a rental no no no close uh I I enjoy living by myself you know there's no one to tell you what to do so I got a mixing bowl out of the cabinet and ate an entire box of peanut peanut butter captain crunch and a half gallon milk

yeah it was amazing where are you with uh Ohio right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean he's thing, you know, the thing about guys like this is they seem cool to hang out with. Dude, I am cool. Because then you realize, like, after a few hours, you're like, oh, this is the maniac.

Yeah, but here's, here's, let me tell you the kind of person I am. I knew, I can tell, I can tell right off the rip if I'm going to get along with somebody, being in all seriousness. And yes, I've always been the kind of person that you either love me or you hate me. There's no in between.

And it does usually take people a couple years to get used to me. And then they'll be like, Oh, well, that's just Jack. You know what I mean? A couple of years. Yeah. Okay. But I'm the most loyal fucker you could ever want is a friend, bro.

Like, I, I'm a good dude. Like, and I don't have, you know, a lot of friends and stuff like that. And yes, I am loyal. Fuck that guy that I wore a while. I'm like that's going to say, what about that guy? He wasn't my friend. He was my fucking bread dealer. He wasn't my friend.

Listen, I'm with you. Yeah. The right thing. You just, Josh, I've still talked to him to this day. He's a cop. Yeah, but I still talk to him to this day that we're still friends after all those years. Listen, you did the right thing? I'm not, yeah, I'm not judging.

I know, but I'm on your side. But I'm with you. Yeah, I know, yeah. That guy ended up, the guy that he got his dad, he ended up getting busted for meth later on and all kinds of shit. I mean, he's, I don't even know if he's still alive. He's been to prison, I know. I've heard through the grapevine at least a couple times. You probably saved his life.

Maybe. And you probably saved. He probably, you know, he may have died in two weeks later. So if he probably extended his life, probably helped his dad out. Is that if he saw you to this day, would probably thank you. Well, I am an angel. Jets, you can come say hi for you. I get off here so like you can at least I can see you.

God damn it. Dip your fucking head in here. Come here. How you doing, hon? It's good to meet you. I'm sure you've been listening to this whole madness for two hours He's walked in and periodically

It shook her head Did it go alright He peeks over and looks She peeks over and looks Yeah But you can't Yeah Yeah

Did it go all right though man Yeah It would good It was good Yeah I think somebody Get a kick out of it You know what I mean

Yeah I mean I know that I know that compared to your life And like both Like Bozy acts and stuff It was like obviously From the town I'm from

It is a crazy life That I've had But compared to, you know, yes, you or Boziac or whatever, no, it's not been that crazy. You know, you're a character and it's up and you're upbeat. I'll take somebody upbeat that can tell their story instead, as opposed to somebody who's monotone and tells this, you know, fantastical, you know, crime story. But they're, they're monotone and you're just like, Jesus, bro. Like, this is horrible. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You'll never believe what happened. Oh, yeah. No, I'm animated as fuck. I'm like, like, yeah. And I, the last, yeah, the last thing I want to tell you is about the dealer from Columbus. I mentioned you on the phone. This guy lived in these apartments. He was a white boy. I still to this day don't know his real name. All I ever heard anyone call him was Ziggy. He had two missing front teeth. He had all his other cheat, and they weren't gold or platinum or whatever the fuck, but just two, no front teeth.

Like, you know, and carried a Glock in his fucking hoodie pocket everywhere he went and had hair standing straight to fuck up on his head. Like, a messy version of fucking kidding play or something, dude, if you can imagine that. Like, and was a big, heavy set guy. And like I told you before, all the fucking guy did was play Solcom Navy Seals on PlayStation. Right, you told that. That's all he fucking cared about, dude, in life was Soul Calm. That's it.

And smoked Newport's like they were fucking going. out of style. Like, that's it. And I still I don't know, whatever happened to him. You know, whatever, but like, Ziggy. Like, what the fuck? You know? Maybe you should look at, well, you can't look him up.

I don't want to look him. No, no, no, no. Because when I actually did get busted, he, uh, I owed him a little money at the time. Uh, he was, I was buying for him, but also I built such a relationship with him and I bought so much that if I needed a front, he'd front me. an ounce whatever no problem so not that it's a big amount of money now but i owed him about a thousand bucks which but to a dealer a thousand bucks you know what i mean so um i remember when i got

out of jail there's a voicemail on my phone for him saying hey bro i hope you don't think i forgot about that thousand dollars he's like you need to get up with me and pay me this money and like i was like i'm done dude like i changed my number like i just i was old i didn't want no part of that life plus owing him a grand and then going back up to give it to him who knows what because I had owed him for so long who knows what he would have done to me you know what I mean

so I just he knew you had been arrested yes yeah at that time that he would call you at all well that term so the time the Columbus where the first time I got caught where the car got impounded

he did not know I told him that my phone broke and that's why I hadn't called him for a week but the second time yes he fucking heard about it and I thought dude there's no way. You know what I mean? But it was so crazy, man. That's crazy that he would

even call and say... Yeah. Yeah. It was... I mean, I had people in this fucking town buying shit for me that worked at pharmacies around here. I had a girl that would fudge the books and literally trade me unopened bottles. Pharmaceutical side bottles of X

and fucking yellow perk tens, the big giant school bus percassettes. Trade them to me sealed. And for, you know, half bouncing, whatever, and then I'd take him up to the city and trade him like, it was fucking crazy. It was nuts. So, yeah.

All right. All right. I'd love to talk to you again sometime, man. All right. I'd love to talk to you again, though, if you ever need anything. Right. Well, wait a second. Um, I'm going to end recording. Well, let me, let me do this real quick. Um, Hey, I appreciate you guys. I'm not

even looking at the thing. Sorry. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching and do me a favor check out my Patreon also all of my book links are in the description and I'm going to put in all of the my book trailers yeah

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Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state, and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's most wanted list, and led the U.S. Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service on a three-year chase, while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time

by CNBC's American Greed. Bloomberg Business Week called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tongued liar. Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the housing pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible. Bent is the story of John J. Boziak's phenomenal life of crime. Inked from head to toe, with an addiction to strippers and fast Cadillacs,

Boziac was not your typical computer. geek. He was, however, one of the most cunning scammers, counterfeiters, identity thieves, and escape artists alive, and a major thorn in the side of the U.S. Secret Service as they fought a war on cybercrime. With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned out bank account in his wake, he vanished. Boziak's stranger-than-fiction tale of ingenious scams and impossible escapes,

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no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. Money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world. From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney World, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Service's funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses, amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory.

He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over one million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo, while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off.

It's insanity. The bizarre, true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world nomination. Available now on Amazon and Audubord. Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old, Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy. and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers

with the organized crime drug enforcement task force entered the picture. Dirty agents, willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants, working with federal law enforcement, or murdered. Everyone pointed to Racini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Racine at Leavenworth Penitentiary, and another story emerged. A tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder.

You see, Pierre Racini knew something that no one else knew. The truth. And Robert Miller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil Exposed. A twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the city of angels. Available on Amazon and Audible.

Bailout is a psychological true crime thriller that pits a narcissistic con man against an egotistical, pathological liar. Marcus Schrenker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard.

Shrinker sits down with true crime writer, Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud. Shrinker lays out the details, the disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses, the affair that ruined his marriage, and the treachery of his scorned wife, the woman who framed him for securities fraud, leaving him no choice but to make a bogus destruction,

call and plunge from his multi-million dollar private aircraft in the dead of night. The $11.1 million in life insurance. The missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his stories of fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and yes, Kahn's Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels. This is the the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. Bailout, the life and lies of Marcus Shrinker, available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audible.

Matthew B. Cox is a conman, incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem, Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as Ardap. A drug program in name only. Ardap is an invasive behavior modification therapy,

specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a non-fiction dark comedy which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survivor-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit. While navigating the treachery of his backcountry,

stabbing peers. Cox simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff every step of the way. The program. How a Conman survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons cult of Ardap. Available now on Amazon and Audible. If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.