Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Crooked Cop Reveals How He Was Finally Arrested | Mike Dowd and Matt Cox

Episode Date: January 15, 2024

Crooked Cop Reveals How He Was Finally Arrested | Mike Dowd and Matt Cox

Some guys do an insane shit, probably their entire career and never have it come back on them. Some guys do something minor and get caught immediately. Right. Because I was going to say, you went years and years and years doing, not that it's minor. Well, it is minor in comparison. Well, in comparison. Yeah, a couple thousand here, a thousand here, 500 here. But when you leapt to, hey, give me $8,000 a month, I'm going to watch out for you.

I'm going to do this. I'm going to give you the heads up. If I come across it, I'm going to this, I'm going to that. I'm going to escort your guys. I'm going to do this. Right. So you have a whole litany of things that you're doing for this money. Right.

You know, that really just like that that's actually what your partner. What was your partner's name? Kenny when he was like he's, he went like within a month from taking like 100 bucks to boom. We're making $8,000 a week doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, $8,000 a week. I mean, he went from being a normal cop and him slipping him like a hundred bucks.

And then like a month later, boom, okay, here's what we're doing now. Yeah, we're getting $800. What? Yeah. How did it just go from me getting $100, which I didn't even spend? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kept in my locker to eight, but. But he was a cheap cock sucker.

I mean, he was, he didn't say nothing. He loved, listen. So, so in hindsight, and even at the time, I recognized at the time that he could say no right now. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then everything would be okay. Like, I, I never. It's not like a Serpico situation, you know, say it's not like.

I never put him in a situation where he had to do this. Right. Because I made a determination that, that I was going to be a police officer until I get arrested or quit or get three quarters disability which is what my goal was

and so but what happened my goal to get injured because I yeah that's your goal if you get a best case scenario I twist my knee

yeah no yeah bad knee slight limp yeah good three quarters disability for the rest of your life's tax free so yeah I mean that's the goal so that was my goal

and I had it at any minute I could have done it because I needed surgery on either knee because both meniscuses were torn from playing ice hockey. So I started out with a pension if I, but the money was so good and I just liked it. Yeah. I just liked it.

I liked going to work and just being important. Oh yeah, no, no doubt, absolutely. I mean, I know I know, like I never retired, right? I didn't get a chance. But when I talk to guys, I had to retire, like, They're like impotent. It sucks. They're like, I'm not important anymore.

Like, you know, they think they are, but they know they're not. Right. And even their wives hate them. And they get half their pension and they leave them. You know, so, yeah, so I get it now. But at the time, I was faced with choices. You know, if Kenny had told me, I'm not doing it. You know, I'll have a beer with you at Joe's Modega, but I'm not going to do this.

I would have said, okay. And I would have just probably. I don't want to say this for sure I would have just went on and did my thing and probably got a pension and left but instead I got a partner in crime I had a willing partner in crime and I said this is great

because now I got a guy who's all in and he was who's all in so what happens in the it doesn't really show up in the movie what happens is doesn't at all show up in the movie is Kenny Yerell

I know he's a little soft in the underbelly right and so I end up going away to a fucking rehab, you know, because I was, I'm going to the, I'm going to the, you can't have a drug problem in the police department because you get terminated. So I told them I had an alcohol problem, which, all right, whatever. And I go up to the rehab. And while I was away to rehab, I told Kenny, you know, Kenny, I found out a little bit of more information. By going into rehab, they came to, like the, the counselors, which are cops, said, listen, you're a lot

of fucking hot water from what we know. And, uh, you just, You need to stop whatever you're doing, do your rehab time, and then pray and go to church. This is what the guy said, and go to church every Sunday. I said, okay. Young, 26, 25, whatever fuck I was. Yeah, okay, sure. But I knew a problem could arise from a weak link.

So in the meantime, three of my friends get arrested for shaking down a bodega for doing an armed robbery. So they're out. I put a bail for one and put one in my house. because his family kicks him out he's got nowhere to go and his name is Walter that big Walter in the fucking

big Walter with the big fucking hands I end up putting them in my house in the meantime I tell Kenny you got to get hurt it's 4th of July weekend it's 4th of July weekend I'm in a rehab

we just came home from rehab and Kenny's not getting any patrol assignments because if you go on patrol you're going to get hurt because it's arrest every day there's an arrest but it's 4th of July weekend

everybody's out on details like in Manhattan, doing parade duties, all those shit. So they short manpower. So Kenny hasn't been on patrol in four months, not one day. What's he doing? He's in the station house. Okay. Paperwork, yeah, yeah.

Bone answering, clerical shit because they don't want him out there. Fourth to July weekend, they're short. They put him in a car his first day. He makes an arrest. Some kind of fence was involved, whatever. He grabs the mooch, brings him in, and goes into the bathroom and breaks his hand. Oh. On the sink.

and he already broke it once before so now he goes bang he fucking slams it on the porcelain sink breaks his left-handed he breaks his fucking hand he goes in and tells the fucking boss he says I'm making the arrest I got hurt grabbing this guy over the fence whatever

no one gives a fuck they're not thinking they're not thinking he's under investigation he needs to get the fuck off the job he breaks his hand he never go one day on patrol breaks his wrist never goes back to work he gets a three-quarters disability I get it for him because my uncle runs the pension section right I cool he gets he gets

medically clear medically approved because you can't have a cop with a bad risk that has broken now twice in the last like say six years right because now he's going to be shooting a gun what if his risk goes bad in the middle of shooting a gun and kills the kid instead of the old man you're right so they they approve him medically now it's supposed to take a year to two to get released through the pension system I I call my uncle. I say, Kenney's just approved yesterday.

He goes, okay, he's going to take 30 days. He goes from the bottom of the pile to the top of the pile and he's fucking walking out the door and who's walking in? Because you go before the pension board. Pension board, boom, approved.

You're done. He's walking out the door. In comes Tromboli. The guy that was following me for fucking years. He can pasta dinner in front of my house, his wife kicking him out of the door. He's walking in to interview him.

And Trimbole goes, you're well he goes I wasn't there but I was told yeah he says to him what do you what are you doing here he says I'm sorry serge I got nothing to say to you he goes what do you mean he goes I'm off the job I'm retired

three quarters disability he goes I wanted to ask you about doubt he goes I'd love to tell you he says but I'm not required to talk to you right now I'm done gotta go and but like the love to tell you thing was was in there you know he wanted to tell him

so he leaves he gets his three quarter his disability now he's sitting at home board like that's right that's right he likes the action he likes the action so i'm running around now i've made it through the rehab two years i went to two years of rehabs work and then kenny is calling me up i need fucking some i need some work i need some bricks. I need something. I didn't know he was involved in fucking drugs. Right. I had no idea. Was he before or this is just something he's decided

to do? So what happened was this. This story is so fucking his cousin was a cop in a 7-3 was bringing home shit they were stealing from the drug dealers. Right. Giving it to Kenny and Kenny was selling it. I have no idea. So one day he says to me, Mike, could you help me get a piece of fucking, you know, big

eight, you know, whatever they want to have to keep? I go, of course I can't. So he goes, okay, anyway, I go to his house to pick up the money, and they're there. The cops are everywhere, like clean clothes. So he doesn't know it. I go, Kenny, your fucking house is hot as fucking pistol. He goes, what do you mean? I go, there's cops all over the place here.

He goes, I just left your house, and two cops will follow me. He goes, how do you know there were cops? I said, Kenny, I left your house. I circled the block. They fucking two cops cars was the plane clothes, follow me, he's twisting going in different directions. He says, my face. They've been following you for five fucking years.

He said, he's probably still following you. I go, I don't know, Kenny. This seemed a little different. P.S., he hangs up. I leave his house. I get a car, go to work, pick up tequila, whatever. He gets on the phone. I don't know if this.

I'm not there. It comes up later on. And he's on the phone. His phone's tapped. He's calling the 7-3 precinct to have his cousin run a license plate. The license plate comes back to Suffolk County Police Department. You think he'd fucking tell me.

Right. For the next month and a half while they're investigating us, he already knew that Suffolk County PD was following us. He never told me. He didn't change his act either. He ends up getting arrested. I mean, the things that took place were insane. I get arrested.

I get arrested eventually. It was May 6th, 1992. Now, that was the fourth day after the fucking, they burnt L.A. down. Three or four days after Rodney C. I guess they're not guilty trial must... Yeah, yeah, not guilty verdict came out Yeah, and they were burning the city down

They burned in New York City down They'd burn breaking everything up This whole thing This is sometime in let's say March He was actually under investigation From January which I didn't know I come into the picture sometime in March I go away to the Cayman Islands

I come back from the Cayman Islands And I want to set up a little bit of an organization where I don't have to do any more work Just put my money up Let my Dominican friends sell cocaine and I'm just a part of the business. We end up pulling our money together. But you're still a police officer.

Of course. Well, I'm sorry. It was a given. I was like, I told you, I'm not going to, I'm getting out one of three ways. Arrested, injured, or retired, one of the three. So, so I set up this organization where I don't have to do, just put the money up. So, and it was a difficult time, it was around Easter and the price of cocaine doubled. It went from 17,5 to 35,000, a kilo.

So our numbers kept moving. And so at this point, I didn't want to lay out all of the money. So I encourage Kenny to come. Kenny goes ahead and he calls up three of the guys from the 73rd precinct and tells them to meet him to put the money. So that is three cops from the 73rd precinct, his cousin and two of his... Are putting up money to invest in cocaine. In cocaine business.

Of course. Yeah, of course. And then you have Kenny. So you have three cops in the 73, Kenny, myself and my partner. I couldn't leave my partner out. I didn't need him, but, you know, he's my partner. If I'm going to be making moves, he's got to get a piece of something, right? So how does five of us involve in this fucking kilo distribution ring, right?

And some other cop gets arrested for stairways. Anyway, so we had this whole thing set up and it's working like a clock. The first week we put 54,000 back in our pockets, which each? No. So 35 is the investment. Okay. We got back 54,000. Okay.

So the next week, it would be 35 and get something similar. But I was a little annoyed. I wanted to be more. I wanted to double the fucking money. I want 70,000. So the next week, it's going to be 70,000, not 54. That's bullshit. So, I mean, you're fucking selling 20 kilos a fucking day.

I got to, you know, I want two. So you're flipping yours. I want mine flipped along the, this is the way it is. Right. Why should I get double my money? I give you 35. I want 70. Can we do this?

The answer was yes. So don't give me 54. So next week, anyway, next week doesn't come, by the way. So in the interim, Kenny's got to pick up a piece for himself to sell. So now he's got this machine going that I set up, and he's got to pick up a piece. So I've got to pick up, I don't know,

half a kilo or something from somebody in Brooklyn and in the patrol car. I meet him at work. The guy jumps in the back of patrol car, and now they got me on film. And I'm knowing it. I'm knowing something's wrong. and like something I'm looking up there's a there's a there's an apartment building upstairs and there's a building over here a rectory the church rectory and I see like it looks like there's cameras in these windows is this possible you know like when you know but you say no it's not really happening no you feel until you still feel untouchable it's that it's not camera on me that cameras on somebody else right now two cameras one there one there one there

And it's funny because in the model commission hearings that was where I testified, they show it. Right. They show those angles from cameras of me getting in and out of patrol car and the guy jumping in the back of the patrol car as I drive off. And the funny thing was, he would normally just hand me the shit. I go, keep it low. Like, here I am saying, keep it whoa. Because I know. Yeah.

Like, you know when you know, and there's nothing you can do. Like, you hand on the fucking paperwork. for your fucking fraud and this could be the last one and you're knowing it like I'm knowing something wrong and so I keep that thing low so he hands it like the seats break in the middle

he hands it through me in the seat and I was so careful to keep it low that the cameras couldn't see it and of course we're driving so the cameras are not they're stationary right I mean think about what I'm telling you

I know I'm being filmed in uniform receiving kilos from a guy that's a Colombian in the and I just pick it and I it's good stuff it sucked but it was better than nothing

and that's and the price was a premium I get the shit I drive around the block I meet Kenny I give it to Kenny and this car parked behind Kenny

and I see the car and I see the car Kenny doesn't see it I see it he goes home with the fucking package. I do patrol and I don't get called

like the whole time there's no radio runs for two days now there's been no radio runs for me so I've been like I'm on patrol and there's no calls for my sector for two days.

Does that ever happen before? No. Never happened before. Not even a day. No. No and I'm by the way I'm in a less busy place now. Right. I've gone to rehab and now instead of going back to the seven and five i'm now in the nine four precinct which is heaven anyway heaven for patrol work right oh my god the cat and the fucking tree type thing you know well the drunk polish guy but in the wrong house they go to the wrong house and it's the same

house but it's on the wrong block you know they were block off and that's that's my night you know so and i'm getting no calls and then all of a sudden we get a call so um what of mine 9 4 Henry 9 4 Henry 10-2 I was like 10-2 why would they call us back to the precinct and I look at my partner

and we've done nothing wrong here today we've done nothing wrong here today you know I maybe drop the care of a kilo one no one's business you know you didn't tell anybody I didn't tell anybody we're good

so I drive back to the precinct but I go the wrong way on a one-way street to the precinct which is the first time I ever did this but it's just by accident no something's not right I'm driving to my maker right now

and I'm like something's not right and I see this car as I'm pulling up to the precinct now the car's facing the train it's one way. The car's facing this way and I'm pulling up this way and I look and there's two guys sitting in the front seat of the car playing clothes

I'm like that's a little odd huh? So I pull in and I just had gotten two big gulps filled with vodka and seven up absolute big ones like this took a big head off of one i did a couple of bumps was doing good right get out of the car i walk into the precinct and i hear footsteps behind me and i'm like i'm like don't turn around this can't be good this just can't be good news so i it's like i know i'm walking

in to the end but you but you know there's nothing you can do nothing you can do it's over it's happening there's no there's no move you can make during this process that changes anything except get back in the patrol car and drive to pennsylvania maybe or Canada yeah one of the two so I'm like okay I woke up to the desk and I go what's up so I just said 10-2 and the guy the sergeant at the desk is like mortified he goes go to the captain he wants to speak to you it's set up this is a setup he knows he's setting me up he just doesn't know what to do no there's nothing he's nothing he's following orders so he points we turn around to go to the captain's office and up comes these two

detectives from internal affairs with their trench coats on and their fucking badges uh this is the lieutenant so and so on blah blah we're taking you for a department ordered drug test I'm like that's all this is perfect my career ends here right it's over I'm going to go downstairs and change put my shit on My civilian clothes, go take the piss test, fail, and go home. It didn't work out. It didn't work out that way. So I'm getting dressed downstairs, now that they've ordered us downstairs.

The scene is insane. I'm downstairs trying to get dressed. And the cop, playing close detective, is almost humping me. He's so close. I can't move. I'm trying to. I go. Can I, am I under arrest?

I know something's wrong here. Am I under arrest? He goes, no, why would you say that? I said, because you're so close to me, I can't even, I couldn't bend my knee to take my pants off to put my civilian clothes on. He goes, no. So I go, well, would you back up?

Now I'm getting pissed. Would you back up? So he goes like this. So he went from here to here. He gave me an inch more room. Holy fuck, this is serious. He's on my shit. So now in my pants

is the cocaine. Some cocaine. Yeah, yeah. Five grams. Not the kilo. No, no, that's what to be given to Kenny. He's got that on the island. I'm trying to get dressed.

I can't get that. Now I go to him. Now, you know something's wrong. What I know, I go to him, you think I should take my off-duty revolver? Or leave it? He goes, you can leave it there. You can come back and get it later.

He says to me, So, wow. You might be all right. I'll be back. Yeah, I'll be back. Get outside, get in the patrol, back in the plane closed car. And I'm saying,

I got to get rid of this cocaine on me. So I'm like, how am I going to do this? So I go, I look at, there's no handles. There's no handles and no windows on the fucking door. So I can't even, I can't open a window and I can't open the door. So I go,

And I turn around and I look at him, I go, I don't know what this is about, but one thing I want you guys to know is my partner has nothing to do with it. Whatever this is, my partner has nothing to do with it. I want to exculpate this kid because I feel bad. I was, he followed me, you know, and I love the guy. And he's the godfather of my kid. And if I go down, at least someone can survive this, right? Not. But anyway, don't you worry about him.

he's got his own things now he's already been arrested for murder and beat the charge okay so that's why we're together because no one will work with him and no one will work with me so this is so much i skipped to get to this point yeah so now we're we're not we're not back of so how am i gonna get rid of this fucking cocaine because god forbid i do get pissed i might get pinched yeah so but god forbid so you're gonna fail the piss test anyway for cocaine yeah it's it's gonna fucking light up the fucking it's gonna light it up i just took a bump a couple minutes ago so it's good and yesterday and eight four it's good so I go, I'm going to smoke a cigarette.

They go, okay, yeah, no problem. I smoked that cigarette, and then I smoked another one right behind it. You couldn't, there was a layer of fog inside the fucking car. You guys, can you open a window? I want them to open the fucking window. I mean, it's just like a 15-minute drive

from there to Jamaica. We were going to go take the piss test. They hadn't opened a fucking window once. So I said, okay, no problem. When I get out in Jamaica, well, Jackson Heights is where the left rack city. We've gone over the left rec city where the police has their medical office. I mean, you got to understand.

Police medical office, okay? Like, maybe have their own medical division, okay? It's like fucking, because there's 35,000 cops. They have a medical division. They have two floors of an awful, four floors of an office building with like 700 offices in it. This is just, it's, it's a massive. Massive. It's a massive bureaucracy.

And so I get out of the car and, like there, like, and I turn around and there's a phalanx. a phalanx of brass if you know what brass means the guys with the brass on their fucking hats lieutenants the cur yeah yeah all the all the bosses phalanx of them all the way from the street and it's the 40 50 feet from the street to the entranceway door then there's the entranceway phalanx there's the hallway phalanx and the fucking button opens up on the elevator and there's a look up there's a guy with more scrambled legs on his fucking hat than I've ever seen in my career, because he was a chief. The chief was standing in front of me and a deputy inspector, both of them's like this. And they just, I just got on the elevator

and I turned around and I was standing between them. I don't know who will they are. And then the guys that brought me in went up with the sort of was four of us in the elevator, open up the elevator on the 16th floor, I think it was. And sure enough, another half a dozen scrambled eggs on each side, flanking me into this. Did you, did you realize at this point this is for you? or are you still thinking this is just as coincidences? Is it overwhelmingly obvious? This is here for me. This is, they're doing this.

I don't want to, I don't, I don't, I don't, I, I don't, I, it hasn't hit me yet. Oh, okay. Yeah. You just think this is weird. This is weird. Yeah. Because I don't know, this, I don't know that this six cops getting arrested. Right.

And that there's been an ongoing investigate. Well, you knew there was an, they were, yeah, but you didn't realize. They were, but you didn't realize it was this. You didn't realize it was this massive. How long were they investigating you, right? Forever, right? So for five years, I've been dealing with this shit. It's no big deal.

Right. This is fake. This is fake. There's 147 cops from internal affairs are on my case. And I think I'm seeing shadows. I think it's paranoia. But it's not. It's real.

But I'm thinking I'm crazy. So now they're all in uniform. Fellanks in this place. They open up the door and there's this lieutenant who's been after me for fucking four years. Because he tried to fucking. piss test me out four years ago or five years ago whatever the fuck it was and he stared at there with this grit on his face and he goes okay dad i got you here he's a whole with an h i forget his fucking name on a fucking smack him anyway because he's a prick he yelled at me one time

get in here now i just let me get in here now i'm sick he was on sick leave he goes i'm lieutenant so-and-so in charge of health services and i and he goes like this and i'm ordering this officer like he pulls the phone away and I'm ordering this officer to get in here today by noon and he's saying he's sick I know you're sick officer I'm telling you to get like I can tell it I'm telling you to get in here now he's like could you imagine like he's the can you imagine this guy's to dude all right I'm on my fucking way I get there and they bring me into psych services and I ended up going away to the farm for two years but anyway so he's there now and he's got me he's got to get me to piss because they tried to do it to me before

but I fucking beat them. See, so I beat them and I can't beat this. So I'm about to piss. I think I'm gonna piss and go home. So I take the piss, I go like, I'm drunk now because they're fucking drunk. Now the drink is hitting me, right?

And I'm realizing, ah, it's just gonna be over. It's good. Like, I can go home. I can go home and just convilch with the family and say, what am I gonna do now with the rest of my life? So here I am.

The guy's finally got me to take the piss test. I piss in his cup. I'm like, I'm happy it's over. You know, we'll see you tomorrow. you know have a nice night and I turn around and then goes and in walks these two other guys into this small cubicle area and he goes Suffolk County detectives and I go oh what's up you're on the arrest for conspiracy to distribute the narcotics I go oh okay I mean I just say the nerve of you I mean right like so one of the things is you know

the newspaper account is and he just you know turn around matter factually I'm gonna do a kick and scream and say go fuck yourselves I mean you know I said put my hands be on my back they put the cuffs on me so now they go to search my pockets right and I got that cocaine in my pocket that I couldn't get rid of yet fucking the 14 times I tried to move it out and the guy goes oh look at this we got out of here and I go yeah I got a little problem what I go I got a little problem what else you know right you know so uh so uh so touch to that so back of the patrol call now to take him out to Suffolk County because that's where they're booking me see the whole thing here is the city's pissed off right because they didn't get their guy

the out of jurisdiction got the guy right you're not because you're not you know you're not you're not you're at the you're in the city you're not at Suffolk County police officer or anything and they did have me on their investigation for five years and they couldn't put a bench on me but Suffolk County has an investigation for three months and they got me you know because they got me because of Kenny well because of the Kenney well because of the wires Kenny didn't give me up. It was wires that got me. And then Kenny on bail puts a wire on and then he gets me.

People don't know, people don't know how the story actually breaks out. But that's how it breaks out. So anyway, so telling the story is exhausting, you know. And how much should we skip when we tell these stories, right? Like 80% or more of it, right? In fact, I'm working on getting a screenplay done now because they can't get it down. They've been working on it for five years of screenplay

to do a movie, a remake movie of the 7-5 documentary, and they just can't get it. So I've been through the mill with all kinds of involvement with different people in Hollywood. Right. Frank Scott, who did Get Shorty. I never saw it. You never saw It Get Shorty?

No, I never saw it. John Travolta. It's a great movie. Yeah, the guy who wrote that was supposed to do it. Then it was Scott Gillespie, a guy named Gillespie who did I-Tanya. I don't know, I-Tanya movie, the Ice Cater Girl. The Ice Skater. Oh, like Tanya for Tanya Harding.

Tanya Harding, yeah. Well, wait, real quick, how much time did you get? I got 14, well, so I ended up getting a 14, 168-month sentence. Okay. You're 14 years. And then you went to prison, obviously. Yeah, I went to prison. I started out in, well, I did MCC for two years waiting to be sentenced.

When you got grabbed, did you ever get out on bond? No. From Suffolk County, I did. Right. But then when I was out, and they set me up to the feds, no bond. I mean, I could have tried to get bond But my lawyer's like, dude You're gonna do some time

So you might as well start now Yeah, that's exactly what he said Yeah, that's true. All right, you know Unless you're mounting There's no reason to be out Unless you're mounting a defense Like you're trying to go to trial

Well, you can't go to trial So to be fair I was going to go to trial Because the first plea over was 24 to 30 years And you know what that's like, you know I'm like, who the fuck did I kill? Right, you know? So, so

Knowing that I was going to do sometime I, you know, I was shocked to see their first plea they don't call them offers, they call them agreements like the first plea agreement was for 30 years and I said I'm not fucking doing it. I'm going to try.

Might as well go to try and I'm going to trial. So that's what was my approach for the first six months or so and then they knocked it down to like 24 and then they knocked it down to 17 and I still said, you know what, I ain't doing 17 years without going to trial for it.

Fuck it. So I pushed it and It probably lasted a little over a year, and then the Malin Commission people came to me and said, we'll write a letter to your judge for you, if you help us. And so I turned them down twice, and the third time they came to me was shortly after they said I did nine murders in the ghetto. I'm like, okay, well, this is the newspaper. And just bullshit? I mean, I know it's bullshit, but I'm saying, where did they come up with that? Somebody said something.

They're looking for, there's nine murders that they can't figure out around this period of time. when I had a brand new 9mm gun, and they were all 9mm murders. I mean, at the ghetto, everybody gets killed with 9mm. Right. Anyway, so they were investigating me and my partner for 9 murders,

specifically me, I guess, because Kenny's like a good guy. And so it was all the news. I'm like, listen, I didn't do any fucking murders. Oh, by the way, my own commission called again today and ask them if you could please, you know, cooperate with them.

What were they investigating? What was that commission investigating? Their task was to investigate, corruption in the city and basically systematic like mine was whatever and so I drew them a road map I showed them how to do it they arrested the whole 30th precinct they called it the dirty 30 they rested the whole

night shift which is 30 guys on the 30th precinct I don't know anybody I didn't know anybody but I showed them how to catch me right something like you might have done to show yeah the ethics and fraud thing like Same thing. So I showed them how to catch me. I said, you don't put a sign. Look over here for cash.

You know, dude, you got to make it. The cop's going to be a little more, like, surprised or industrious. Don't make it. Don't put a sign. Check on their fucking ice cubes for cash. They're going to check. You don't need to tell them, you know. So don't make it so obvious.

So anyway, so I gave him a few points like that. And I told them how and how I would do, how I would see a scene and how I would assess it and how I would know I wasn't being set up. So they did what I told them. And they got the whole 30th precinct. They got a couple of the bunch of guys. So now when I went to get sentenced, they wrote a letter to the judge saying that I was honest and helpful.

That's all they would say. Was this sentence in the state or the feds? I didn't have got sentenced in the state because they subsumed the superseding indictment. They made it all one. Right. So make it a RICO case. So I was, yeah. Okay.

So I got the RICO. Yeah. Um, so, uh, yeah, so I got a RICO indictment, uh, and I pled guilty to it. And so I faced zero to life, faced 10th of life. Right. At my sentencing. And, uh, did the U.S. attorney, um, recommend that you get the low end of the guidelines or anything? No, no, no, no, no. He was against everything. He was sort of like what you had to deal with when you were through. Like, there was no friend in that courtroom except for the letter. And the judge witnessed my testimony. And even partly, partly to my dismay is some of my sentence

like some of the testimony wasn't very wasn't very good you know like I stole money from some girl like 300 bucks under the Bible the money the mother hid the money under the Bible I asked right is there any hidden money in the house that they might have right and she goes well she's on the phone mom she said check under the Bible

so I found it yeah yeah it looks like the burglars got it yeah they got it so you know that's a real shitty thing to do you know right but part of my justification well we do shitty thing. Part of the justification was. Listen, you don't have to explain to me. I know.

But, you know, people that, they hear that, like, how the fucking you do that? Well, you know, I got a partner next to me that's the threatening me right now. He's like, you fucking set me up. The last job, there was $11,000 in cash. You fucking missed it. You had it in your hand. I said, take it easy, dude. I'm not looking for someone's fucking savings.

I'm looking for bags of cash like this. Right, right. From drug dealers. Yeah. I'm not looking for a knot of $11,000 that someone saved. that's a lot of fucking money I said no one isn't not what I'm looking for I'm looking for 30 40 50 grand in 20s not someone's little life savings stack right so anyway so long story short I ended up the next chance I could to get some money I did you know it was a couple three

four hundred dollars whatever we took from under the girl's Bible which was horrible and for what I'm saying is when I got sentenced to judge said you know mr. you know all the things you were very helpful but you know but you know taking that three hundred dollars from the fucking Bible with the girl you know was not a very I'm gonna say right she was she was letting it known that she was aware of that you know yeah yeah that being said they said you were very helpful I was going to give you a sentence to the top end of your guidelines which were in 15 and a half years she said instead I'm not going to give you I'm going to give you right in the middle which is 168 months so so essentially she says the

model commission helped me I'll take her at a word she could have given me more because they wanted to give me more right you know I'm sure they they probably would have given me more if I didn't testify with the Malin Commission.