Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Dark Web Hacker Is Addicted to Running From The Cops (Literally)

Episode Date: July 11, 2023

Dark Web Hacker Is Addicted to Running From The Cops (Literally)

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If I see a cop, just drive by him, get off the freeway, flip around, and then go drive by them at like 120. When you get away, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight. 12 hours like you know you couldn't sleep it was just you know adrenaline coursing through your through your system that's when I started teaching them about the dark web because everybody knew and they were they wanted to get involved basically and I'm like listen guys I'm here because of this why do you want to get involved in this because I'm you know this is I'm in the same place you are you're just going to come back if you get into this basically world of Warcraft hacks for a game yeah is it

As a job? Yeah. Dave is a dark net cyber criminal. And he's got, you know, I talked to him for about an hour or so the other day. Super interesting story. And so check it out. So, bro, let's start at the, let's start at the beginning. Like, I mean, where were you born?

Okay. So I was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Wisconsin. And I was born in 92, so I'm 30 years old right now. I lived in Milwaukee with both of my parents till the mid-2000s, which then we moved out to a suburb, kind of about 10, 15 minutes outside of Milwaukee. And then that's where I lived. That's where I'm currently at right now. Well, so my dad, he was a truck driver. He drove dump trucks, like, locally. He wasn't, like, over-the-road thing. So he was, you know, he was home every night, you know. He wasn't out driving. And my mom, she was like a book. She does, like, payroll and

bookkeeper. Checks and checks and stuff like that. For like an old folks. community, basically. So, what'd you go to high school? Yep. So I, my first high school, my first high school I went to, I got expelled because, why? Because I listened to this, ma'am. So I was, I was in basically study hall, which is right before,

lunch um so i had a pipe in my backpack and i didn't have any weed or anything like that but i went to the bathroom i took a you know took a little hit off of whatever was left in that pipe you know just uh i was bored you know study hall i didn't really care about you know school at that point so i was just uh trying to get high and and hang out basically so i come back from the bathroom and And this girl that was sitting behind me to the left, apparently she smelled that I smelled like weed. And she basically texted her mom. Her mom called the school office, the school office then alerted the security there. They came down.

And all of a sudden, I notice there is a teacher that comes in. just kind of walks through and she's looking around and and probably about a minute or two into her doing that I realized that she's kind of really just focusing on me so I start devising a plan to get rid of this pipe that I have because they're obviously going to check me in I know I don't have anything in my locker so that's good so uh study hall gets let out I I I just jet over to the lunchroom and I see one of my buddies in there and I hand the pipe off to him and I say hold on to this you know I go I go grab a tray I get my food I just get to my seat I start eating and all of the security and the principal come in and they say we need to

talk to you come with us so basically they took me up to the office they told me about the allegations I denied them obviously I basically you know I didn't have it on me so right and I know I didn't have me we had no paraphernalia nothing else so I said all right you can search they wanted to search my backpack they wanted to search my locker so we searched the backpack in there they find nothing we go down to my locker they pull it all out they find nothing so basically I they don't really know what to do basically because there's no proof that this happened. So they say, all right, well, we're going to suspend you.

You need to go take a drug test at some lab and come back to us with the results. And then we'll let you back in, you know, if you pass. So I go do that. And it was about three or four days after I had taken that hit. And listen, I was smoking weed every day at that time. So it's in my system. I go take the test, but before I go, I do kind of like an at-home detox type thing,

and then I basically water down my pee, right? So I go and I pass. No drugs in my system, take it back to them. That still wasn't enough for them. They said due to this allegation, due to other past incidents, that I've had because I was kind of, you know, not exactly the best student there. It was influencing other kids and stuff like that. And they kind of knew about that after talking to other people.

So they basically said, we're not going to let you back in. So they expelled me from that school, which leads me to the next school, which is where I go. I start. This is, let's see. This is the start of my sophomore year, so the first, probably like the first semester or so. So I get there, it's a public school. This other one was a private school.

So that's basically why they were so strict on this whole, on the whole thing and expelling me. So now I'm at this public school. And this is, you know, this is not a good place to go when I'm, you know, clearly. using drugs and stuff because there's tons of tons of people there way more than at the other school that are using drugs selling drugs doing all kinds of stuff sleeping school so that's when i start dabbling with a little bit more than just weed up up until then it was just weed and and occasionally i would i would have some alcohol so um i start dabbling at this new high school um introduced a new friends, we, you know, club drugs, MDMA, you know, LSD, all that type of thing.

And that really, that really lit a spark. And I basically became really interested in, like, pharmacology, you know, how, how the drugs work systematically, what they affect, all that stuff. So, um, by the time I had graduated, uh, that, that public school, I had already become, uh, addicted to, um, roxycodone, uh, pills, basically. And also, um, my buddy worked at a, an old folks home and he had access to, uh, uh, fent patches. So we were doing the fent patches and we were sniffing oxy thirties and stuff like that by the time I graduated high school. So I graduated in 2011. And in 2012, I guess, is kind of when things went from, went from just playing around to real life. A few of my friends OD'd, a few on, on On the patches? Well, one of them OD'd on heroin. One of them OD'd on on, on Xanax and oxycodone, I believe. And then, yeah, those are those are the first two.

That was in 2012. If those two first happened. so 2012 I start college I'm going to a local I'm going to like kind of a local school basically for a medical degree of some type since I became interested you know in the in the drug culture and all that stuff it just made sense to me to maybe go into the medical field so I had that interest in pharmacology and medicine and mental health and how drugs can affect that and how they can help that and such. So, you know, I was still doing drugs while I was going to college and stuff and that really wasn't good because I would probably be at, you know, two classes a day

if I even went that day. So I'm not, I'm not doing the great. greatest in college but I'm making it so during spring break 2013 I was down I was downtown I was on the east side I was on a side street I'm walking and I get hit by a car it throws me I I break my neck three of my vertebrae were you walking on the street well I was cross I was crossing on a side street okay sorry it just yeah i didn't realize you were like on the thought you were on the sidewalk or something somebody went up on no no she no she just she just ran the stop side while i was walking across the sidewalk or i was walking on the sidewalk to the other side of

the street okay so um so she hits me with her jeep um i get thrown um break my neck a couple other you know things but the neck was the most serious one uh c4 or c6 is all fused together now so range of motion is lacking uh you know pain stuff like that um so i get into surgery uh well anyway they let me go back so i they hit me i'm knocked out basically i don't remember anything except for the impact And they get me, and they sit me up. They try to sit me up on the sidewalk, but I couldn't sit up straight. I kept just falling over because I had no sense. I had no equilibrium, basically.

And start the surgery about a day after that accident. They had me in the hospital because they were concerned that about the drugs in my system. Because they did a blood test, and they found H and some benzos. and stuff like that in my system. So they waited a day. I start the surgery. Everything goes, you know, as well as it could, according to the doctor, which, you know,

I'm not so sure about, but it is what it is. You know, I can't really fix it. So anyway, I spend probably two weeks in the hospital or so. After that, recovering, gaining, you know movement gang strength and such and during that time i'm on ivy dilaudid and oxy syrup um like a lot so um because i was addicted to opiates already they had to up the dose obviously so they were giving me a lot and i was discharged um i was given you know a huge script for uh roxycodone um times I was, I was given two, I think it was 240 or 260 milligrams a day, just of the oxies.

And this is when my opiate use kind of just was kicked into overdrive. You know, like I, I started doing physical therapy, but I was also still doing heroin. And after I came home from the hospital, I had a neck brace on, you know, and I was, you know, I was obviously not in a good situation. I shouldn't have been going out driving down to the hood and copping down there. Well, I got a neck brace on. They said, you cannot drive because you can't, you know, move. You can't see behind you. Stuff like that.

So obviously that's just reckless, right? And I'm putting myself in danger, possibly others. but at that time I'm not worried about that, you know, who cares about that? I need to get, I need to get this, I need to get this stuff. So I end up doing, I end up getting to about $50 to $100 a day of an H habit on top of those prescribed oxies from the next thing. However, about a month after the accident, so two weeks. weeks after I got out of the hospital, the doctor wanted to get me off the oxies. So she starts a taper, which really wasn't, really wasn't much of a taper.

Yeah. So there wasn't much of a taper. She cut about 30 milligrams, I believe it was, every three days. So I was completely off the oxy within, you know, a week or so, you know, give or take. And that's obviously not enough when you're dependent to be taken down that fast. It needs to be slower. So basically they start talking to me about, I go in for my checkups, for my neck, from a surgeon and such. You know, while this taper is going on, they start talking to me about ibuprofen for

pain which I mean come on that's that's not going to work and then they start saying possibly they want me to switch to suboxone or methadone to handle my pain and my addiction to opiates so of course I replaced that oxy that she took me down on with more heroin so now I'm doing 100 to 200 dollars a day of heroin mixed in with the Xanax, Valium, basically anything else. I could fight at that point that would help with the pain and, you know, just take me out of the situation that I was living in, basically. Eventually, in late 2013, October, I go to rehab for the first time. And after rehab, well, they get me dumps of oxone in rehab. I get, I get, I do the 30 days inpatient, which was kind of

miserable because I, you know, that was actually my 21st birthday, was in October. So I was basically in rehab for that, which kind of sucked. But, you know, it's, it's much better than jail. You know, there was girls in there. There was, you know, you could watch TV, have a phone and such so it wasn't the worst but it just kind of sucked it wasn't how i thought my 21st birthday would go what were you facing jail like it i mean what facing jail for what were you busted or no no no no not at that point okay i we'll we'll get to that if that's coming all right so so this went on um this went on for probably probably till mid-2014, then I began to stop taking the Suboxone, and I was doing heroin again.

And that's when I ended up catching my first charge shortly after that. Basically, I had a friend that ended up snitching on our mutual drug dealer. He was my drug dealer, which I introduced my friend to, and he ends up getting caught for something. He snitches on the drug dealer to get out of it. And in that, in all of that, I am always coming and going from the guy's house. And the police see that, and one day they're sitting there around the corner, I pull off, they follow me, I get pulled over, searched. They say, we know where you were. know what you were doing why's the drugs blah blah blah so that was my first charge of

possession of narcotics possession of paraphernalia you know not not too bad but it was it was my first you know real serious brush with the law had gotten I had gotten in a little bit of trouble when I was under 18 for weed and stuff obviously not serious but those charges. So I'm in county jail, you know, miserable. My parents get me a lawyer. So that was, that was $15,000 for a simple drug charge, which I think now that I look at it, that is insane. I should have paid maybe 5K at most. I'm probably got to go just going with the public defender. Honestly, I should have, but it was my first, you know, real charge. I was scared. You know i thought i need to get a good lawyer so i got the best lawyer basically in town for this

which was kind of stupid uh looking back but you know hindsight you know 2020 i know so lawyer i paid 75 000 to i paid 70 for to plead me guilty to plead me out to a three year and i was never facing jail time like just i just was stupid and young and didn't know and i was scared right same same scenario here right right right right right so um 15k gets me a deferred prosecution agreement which i could have got with the public defender anyway as my first is my first offense right so then i was back on the street um they had me on like a year basically of probation i had to do community service you know all that bullshit so i took that i did take that seriously um

because I didn't want to go to jail, obviously, again. So I remained sober for that until 2015. And in June 2015, is my best friend had ended up OD, basically. And, uh, let's see, we, he was, so, I saw, he was, so, I saw, I was just at the tail end of this DPA, probably like a month left. My friend dies with this OD. It hit me really hard. So, hey, I hung out with him every day.

We went to school together. He was at that public school in high school. So he ODs passes, leaves him, you know, a young son at that time. He's probably four years old. His girlfriend, you know, the rest of his, family and you know his friends um so that kind of that kind of ended up with me going into a spiral of relapse and destructive behavior um i would i would be getting high i would be going to uh street races i'd be running from the police um purposefully um that was one of the things that was one of the

things that I just really enjoyed doing. I would go out late at night, go out on the freeway, kind of head north, out of the city, and just if I see a cop, just drive by him, get off the freeway, flip around, and then go drive by him at like 120. So this is on a motorcycle. I'm assuming you're on a... No, no, no, no, in the car. What are you driving?

Uh, I had two, I had, well, I had three cars, uh, during that short, during, during this time frame, basically. I had, um, I had two Honda Civics. One of them was, uh, basically fully built, uh, all motor car. Um, and it made probably about 270 horsepower, but it only weighed, you know, 2,000 pounds. So this thing was basically a go cart, you know, yeah and and it was and it was fast then you know you 270 horse cars if anything nowadays but back then and with the the conditions and everything it was it was a quick car and so I would go I would go I would go blow by I met a hundred hundred twenty or whatever I kind of wait to see if they're gonna follow me because sometimes it just wouldn't you know they would just they would just keep sitting there and just let me go but the best times were when when they would pull out, obviously.

As soon as I seen those lights, my adrenaline went from here to, you know, all the way up here. And that was on top of getting high. I think that was probably one of the best drugs that I had done, basically was the adrenaline rush from running from the police. Because after you do that, when you get away, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. It was like, you know, you couldn't sleep.

It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your system. And then I also, I had a Subaru, a Subaru, WRX, STI, that was also fully built, 600 horsepower, big turbo, all that. Which, I mean, that was fun to run from the Copsin, but I really liked that car, and I didn't want to fly. it up so you know Honda Civic is a Honda Civic but this car was it's basically fully full cost of everything right body everything all that maybe I can you know get some pictures or something like that and we can throw them up so besides my street racing doing drugs and all that I was we'll go back a little bit one I had first started dabbling, 20, back in public high school, junior, senior, senior year, so 2010, 2011, I started hearing about the dark depth, or the dark web, whatever you want to call it.

So, I had, I had ordered some, some drugs from there back then, you know, just here and there. I wasn't really into it. But fast forward, we're back to, you know, that time frame after my friend dies. I'm going to 20, 2015, whatever. So I get back on the dark web, basically, and I think this is what I'm going to start doing. So I begin to get drugs off there. um basically ordering heroin you know all the ones that i enjoy basically all the downers um and then i would get other drugs that i would sell what form is this so there was a few um

there was uh in the beginning obviously there was like silk road and stuff like that that was on then we get to um jeez hansa market i mean there was there was a bunch of of these marketplaces basically and it's basically like ebay right for drugs right and anything illegal

um so i begin to do that and uh i start obviously it gets very expensive so then i have to start figuring out ways ways I can offset the money that I'm spending. I have a connection to a lab in China where I was getting, I was getting things for very cheap, like benzzo, those research chemicals.

I'm not sure if you know anything about those. They're basically drugs that haven't been used, approved for anything they're basically you know made in a lap someone makes some tweaks to a molecule and they come up with a different drug so right so it's legal for example well it's it's it's sort of legal for example you have Xanax which is El Praslam so our one of the research chemical versions would be flu Alpraslam basically which is just a fluorinated version of alprazlime it's more potent last longer and stuff like that so i'm getting these research chemicals and such from this lab in china i could get the grams were $45 and if i bought more

which i started doing because at first i would buy two grams of you know this two grams of that two grams of this and then i would take it i would get it repackage it also market it basically press press these into press them into pills and then sell them on the dark net also locally you know here and there to people that I trusted so let me just say this off of you know $45 for a gram of one of these things which is basically the about a thousand doses so i would turn around and sell them for you know basically three dollars a dose so the profit margin is is pretty pretty big on that um so i'm starting to get money from that everything's good um and this is when i start well the fentanyl really comes the

to play here so i have a question where you're you said you're reselling it some of it to people you know and what are you doing with the selling the rest of it on the forum on the forum yeah so i mean i was selling most of it on the dark nap on one of these okay so you're just a vend you're a vendor you started yeah i i i started i got a vendor account because at first i was just a buy i just had a buy account so I had to get verified did you become a vendor basically they got to pay you got to pay a fee basically they'll let you in they'll check you out you got to um you know do verification type things to become a vendor so I become a vendor I'm doing that selling those RCs and stuff and then you know that's that's when the fence and then I do um in between all that I was doing a little

little stuff here and there to support myself like I would get credit card numbers I would get accounts for you know bank accounts cryptocurrency account coin base you know basically any type of account Netflix and I was either reselling them or using them like to buy things or transferring the money, buying crypto with it, and then I would get, you know, transfer it to my own account, that basically. I end up finding a guy down in Florida who was getting that stuff. I don't know.

I probably tried to. But so that was my first one. There was also a couple in Canada that ran. ran like a retail boutique type clothing store but in the back is where they had their their operation for their vendor on the dark net so they were selling you know all kinds of stuff out there but mostly there was also a guy down at texas and then later on um there was a guy in wisconsin just like an hour away um so i've got you know multiple connections so i'm getting different types of of this from from all these guys

they all got different types uh have analogs basically of of the fund um i don't want to start listing off the names because that's um you know you two might take taking you know too many they're all right all going to have row they're already going to have a problem but anyway go ahead yeah but so so there's a lot of your it's a lot of stuff yeah so a lot of different stuff um so basically i would take that um i would take that fent powder and i would make a solution i would order about a hundred or 200 of these uh like a nasal spray um you know like an empty nasal spray bottles off on amazon and then just a big jug of saline solution i would make a big solution, a volumetric solution with this, uh, with the, um, you know, the stuff.

And, um, turn it into, um, a nasal spray that, uh, you know, didn't look like it was drugs, right? It's just nasal spray, saline spray. And I even had, uh, um, custom labels made up my own labels that I put on it, um, you know, so it looked legit. Um, you know, so it looked legit. Um, So that's, that's when it was big time, basically, when I started figuring out the nasal spray thing, and I was doing that. What kind of money are you making with this? You know, it's hard to say because I was spending so much at the same time. Like, I would, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't saving any money. So I would probably say, geez, probably, probably $5,000.

we can profit or so okay um not bad you know and that not yeah that's okay right yeah it's a decent but it's a lot it's a lot yeah if you can maintain it which is which is the which is the problem right exactly um so in 2016 to 2018 that's basically that's basically that was my main hustle um was vending on the dark net um right you know also So the, you know, and then street racing, a little bit of fraud here and there. I would, very early on, I found, you know what 4chan is? That sounds familiar. Message, basically.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Message board, right? On there, way back in the day, people started making these fake coupons for things at, like, electronic stores and stuff like that. I would get a coupon, basically, and it would be for a brand new video game that just came out, you know, $60, $80 game, and I get it for a dollar using this coupon. Online or you go in the store? No, in the store, right in the store, and see. And so the coupon isn't, it's not legit, obviously, but the people running the register there are teenage kids, you know, I'm talking about, you know, get going to game stop you know you don't have you know super highly intelligent trained people

work in the register there so they see a coupon they they try to scan it it doesn't scan through they override it and they override it and they enter it in so i'm getting these games for a dollar brand new games it just can't come out um also uh you know coupons for for grocery stores load up a whole cart meat ribs steaks all that stuff get it for a couple bucks um so little little you know nickel and dime stuff like that was uh was going on kind of before i started the big dark net uh vending right um and then and then all that just seemed well some of it went away that the the coupon stuff obviously didn't last long you had uh homeless people that found out about it and they They were, they were abusing it so, so hard that there was actually, like, you know, nationwide emails sent out to all these companies that, you know, about these coupons.

They're not legit and stuff like that. That's what. So that didn't. That does. That does last. Yeah. John Boziac. Yeah.

Like when he was a kid and he was homeless, they used to make fake like Burger King and McDonald's gift certificates. He said, he was like, you know, like you'd get one. You'd scan it. He said, and, you know, it. it wouldn't he said you go in there even if it didn't scan he said you know they just override it and give you the food like they weren't gonna they weren't gonna you know call the cops over a ten dollar a five dollar gift certificate right so he said you know yeah they were basically abusing it right they were abusing it

for years till eventually they'd come in they just go like now yeah exactly that's that's exactly what happened they uh towards the end you you would go in there with the coupon and they would say no we know what this is get out of here i'm i'm gonna to call the cops don't come back we get to probably the 2016 to 2018 era which which was the the big money-making one so during the end of that towards the end and the 2017 beginning of 2018 eventually packages begin to go missing weird things start happening they're arriving late Obviously, something's going on. And right then, I should have known, you know, that there was an investigation going on.

I should have, you know, I should have cut bait, and I should have just, I should have got out of there. I probably could have, you know, got away at that point without being identified. Because basically they were investigating a case where one of the, one of those vendors, I believe it was the, the Canadian one. sent some of their stuff to someone down in the United States. They ended up ODing, and they found the evidence, basically, of dark net transactions. They found the package it came in, stuff like that. So they knew that they were dealing with more than just, you know, some kid on the street that, you know, go down to the hood and got some stuff and OD, right? So they, a task force started with the FBI, the USPS Postmaster, local, you know, sheriffs, local government, you know, local, local law enforcement, all of them.

They start this, they start this huge operation to take down all these fentanyl dealers and stuff like that. 2018 is when beginning of 2018 I believe it was February or March is when my door gets kicked in and I was it was they didn't knock on the door and no no they did they did actually they did because I was I was sleeping at the time so I I didn't answer. So they're at the door. They're all surrounding the house. There's probably 20, 25 of these cops all down the block surrounding every street, you know, because they didn't know what to expect. But what they did know is that I, they had circumstantial evidence at that point that I was one of these people involved in this operation, which they weren't wrong. So, Yeah. So I end up getting my, the door gets kicked in. I hear this. I'm actually sleeping at the time. Now, now most raids happen, you know, people say four in the morning, whatever, when people are sleeping. This happened at like 10.30 in the, in the morning. But I was expecting a package that day. I know the mail doesn't come until 12, 1 o'clock. So I, I,

I wasn't too concerned, so I was just hanging out. I was sleeping, just waiting for the package to get there. So let's see, let me rewind. There was a package that came probably two or three days before that it wasn't the normal mail guy, for one. For two, he didn't just leave it in the mailbox. He came up to the door and asked for a signature for it. That's another thing that I should have knew that something was going on because this package didn't require a signature.

And, you know, obviously I find out that wasn't actually a, you know, a post of a mailman, you know, it was a USPS, a federal inspector. So, yeah, not good. I end up with, from that, I end up with about eight. 18 felonies for possession of all these substances for conspiracy to distribute, conspiracy to get it. And there was a couple of misdemeanors to in there as well. Where are you living at this time? So at the time my door gets kicked in, I was living in Milwaukee. I'm saying, are you living with your family, with your parents, or?

No, no, not at that time. So, um, so I get these charges, um, 18 felonies, a bunch of, uh, misdemeanors. Um, and I, and I, I think I'm fucked, you know, but the good thing is, is that when I heard that door get kicked in, I jumped out on my bed. I knew as immediately that it was the police. I jump out of my bed. I run over. I kick my computer off. Basically, I just kick the damn thing. And it ends up turning off and locking, basically. You know, it was everything was encrypted on my computer. If it wasn't already open, you're not going to get on it unless you have the keys, the password, all that. So they weren't able to get into my computer, which saved me from a lot of the charges. I can look at some of the chart is here on the court documents. There was everything from, I think I already said, basically, all the chart is. I'm getting a little, I'm getting a little loss here.

it's all right so you they grabbed you yeah this is the this is basically the first time i'm telling i'm telling any of this story um right except for people that that know me and stuff like that um so i'm in county jail well let me rewind they they raid the house they get me out uh you know put me in the car um they're searching a house they go through everything they end up Um, one of the cops actually ends up stealing from one of my, uh, roommates. Um, in his room, he had a thousand dollars, he had $1,000 in a Bible that it, that was like his, his, is emergency money, you know, something comes up. Right. So they, they, they, you know, they, you know, they, you know, they, you know, they'd tear apart everyone.

Everyone's shit, you know, when really they should have, they should have just tore apart my stuff and maybe the community, you know, living room, bathroom, stuff like that. Um, but they didn't. They go through the whole house. They steal $1,000 from my roommate out of a Bible. How great is that, you know, police protecting and serving and stealing? Well, that happens. They're regular people. Yeah, exactly.

So I'm sitting out in the car. They're going through the house. You know, they're fine. The more, the longer they're in there. they're bringing out more and more and more stuff you know so that's when the detectives approach me and say hey what do you want to do about this basically you know do you want to talk to us or what and i say no not right now i'm i'm not you know in a good state of mind at that point because i you know i was still doing drugs and i was i didn't do any before that um

So I wasn't feeling good at that time. And I just, I said, just take me to jail, you know, get me through the cell. Let me get me in front of the judge and let's get this figured out. But I'm not talking to you about any of this stuff. You know, you do what you got to do. So in county jail, basically, you know, you're supposed to get in front of a judge within two, within 48 to 72 hours here, I believe it is. But during that time, I was coming off all those drugs. I ended up having seizures, which led to aspiration pneumonia from basically I was puking so violently and so often that I ended up inhaling my own puke and that caused an infection of my lungs.

Also getting rhabdomyalysis, which is basically your muscles break down, your muscle fibers end up getting in your bloodstream, your whole body. And your body isn't made to process all that. So that's why you get kidney failure and stuff, because you get these. I'm trying to figure out how to explain, but basically muscle fibers can't be, they can't be processed, you know, so it backs up your system. So I'm in the jail, seizing, all this other stuff for about two, two days. So that's when they basically call medical. medical comes in they say you need to get this kid to the hospital or he's going to die basically so they transport me I go to the hospital they diagnosed me with all that stuff that I said

and basically they couldn't talk to me obviously at that point so I was actually put into a three-day induced medical coma while they figured out what was going on, testing my blood, all that. So at that, at that time, I had, you know, I'd been obviously handcuffed to, to that bed for about 14 days. I think it was actually 12. It's almost two weeks. I'm in, I'm handcuffed to this bed. You know, I couldn't move. I was getting weaker. I was trying to get over this, this rabdomyalysis. And, you know, I was, I was peeing. It was brown. It was like orange, brown. And so I was in basically kidney failure at that point was, I was on the edge of needing dialysis, basically, if we can get it sorted quick enough. So that's why I was in the

hospital for so long. So they get me on a few medications to stop from seizures and all that. So they end up taking me back. I missed my court date because of all this. Obviously, they couldn't take me to court when I was having seizures. So I get it back. They say, I say, you know, when am I going to see the judge? obviously the CEOs in there they don't they don't give a shit they don't know well they do know

they could look up in the computer but they don't so eventually about a week goes by and they say hey listen you you got court in the morning so i go i go to court um in cuss the uh in front of the judge um and during this time um back up my parents they didn't know what where I was or what was going on, obviously. My house was taped up. I was gone. There was no record of me in the hospital because I was in custody.

So my parents had no idea where I was. And they end up finding out, I don't know how my dad finds out. You think you went to the jail or you went to the hospital or he went to the hospital, and he actually seen me at the hospital. And then they end up getting me a lawyer. I get in front of the judge. I mean, that was another 20K for the lawyer.

And I get in front of the judge. I was offered a plea for five and a half years in to out. And I held out for probably, I held out for like a week or two, trying to, trying to get a better deal, trying to talk to the lawyer, to talk to the DA and stuff like that, you know, you know, trying to get them to take into account, you know, all the medical stuff and all that. So eventually, I take that plea because otherwise I would have gone to trial and I probably would, I got smoked. I mean, I absolutely just smoked for like 10, 15 years, at least I would bet. Right. Because at that time, you know, that's when the crisis was just really starting to hit the mainstream. So I would have been made a huge, I would have been just a huge, you know, a huge.

a huge win for the for the for the county and the state and everyone basically um if they get this conviction um and and you know they can put in their uh in the in the news you know they stopped a drug dealer you know that was dealing right right in your neighborhood right next to your kids putting uh everyone in danger by having this stuff shipped in the mail you know something could happen and someone comes in contact with what's inside the package. And, you know, first of all, it's never going to happen unless someone tries to get into the package. These packages are double vacuum seal inside an X-ray-proof bag, inside another plastic bag, and then put into, you know, the shipping compare.

So anyway, you know, I digress. So anyway, I took this plea five and a half years, basically. So back to county jail, and I wait for the prison for the prison transport, which came a few weeks later, and I was off to me and a few other folks who were off for a nice drive to Dodge Correctional Institution, which is basically the classification place that they take you, but it's also basically, basically, basically like a maximum security prison, state maximum. So they had a few units for classification. What do you mean this is state? Yeah, they had me in a state prison. So the reason it gets basically I get charged by the state was because the federal authorities, basically the United States Postmaster and stuff.

like that. They couldn't prove that I was one, that I was selling this stuff because I had knocked my computer over, it went off, they couldn't get into it. So there's no record that way. However, they had, before I got arrested, there was an investigation going on because they knew someone in that area was shipping things out because they were finding these packages all over the country and they would trace them back to the area where they were shipped. You know, they can do that. You know, they can see exactly what, what, what USPS box, a package was dropped off into. And stamps and all that.

So they knew someone in the area was doing this at that time. So, so basically, you know, they had all this circumstantial stuff, but they didn't have that smoking gun, basically, which was my computer. So, so they weren't able to, so basically they handed up. off or well I guess they didn't really hand it off because the state was involved the whole time as well right it's a tough course yeah it was a full it was a full task force so so let's see I was I was in this Dodge Correctional for two and a half months being classified you know we go through the gauntlet of medical dental vision you know they do all that bullshit, you know, to make sure everything is, to make sure you're not going to die or, you're not

physically disabled in some way, and they don't know about it. So in those classification units, you're in your cell 24-7 except for going to that medical appointment or whatever, which you know it's trays in your cell you get out two times a week maybe three to take a shower once you get out of

first phase yeah when you the phone rec once you get out of the first phase you can get out an hour for wreck I think it was like three times a week which you know

I was, I was happy that, you know, I could get a little bit of sunlight because I had been in the county jail and stuff like that, you know, with no wreck, no outside, no, no fresh air, nothing. So, so that was, that was good, but it was still, you know, it wasn't the best situation. Yeah. So I get out of the class of vacation. You're not trying to make you happy. No, I try to make you happy. They're not concerned about your comfort. Are you happy? Is everything okay? Right. But they do do room service though, so.

They do. They do. They're security. Yeah, security and room service. That's basically all you get there. So I get out of the classification unit about two and a half months. I go to one of the other units, which is on the other side of the prison, which is basically where they, where they house inmates that are already sentenced, and they were sentenced to do their time at Dodge, because it's also a prison, not just a classification. So I'm on where those units, that's not where you were sentenced, though. You weren't going to do your time there. No. Okay. No, I was, I was, I was waiting for

my transport eventually, which would come. So, I'm in the normal housing units where you can actually get out, you know, you can get out of yourself for a few hours at a time. There's one TV. There's phones. You know, stuff like that's much better than being in your cell 24-7, obviously. So, let's see. And that's actually where, in Dodge is actually where I learned a, where i learned how to fish um because basically you know you're in these cells and you know

the guy next to you and in the other cell over has something that you want or you want a tray or something like that so um to anyone watching if you know what fishing is it's not with a rod and a hook uh on the lake um it is a bar of soap that's carved into a hook Yep, yep, bar of soap Come up into like a hook. Right, you can do, yeah, there's a few things you can do for your string, basically. You could do elastic if you want to be able to kind of

you take it and kind of fling it and get it towards, you know, something and catch it or you do like a long, you pull apart one of your state things and you've got, you know, a lot. just basically a thread um so that's where i learned about that which i kind of blew my mind um because i you know i had never been in prison i didn't know anything about that at the time so yeah myself he taught me how to how to do that yeah he taught me you know a lot of things um that i had no idea i would need uh for the upcoming you know a couple years um

So after, I'm in that Dodge for, you know, a few months, I would get transferred finally to Stanley Correctional, which is only about, I would say, a four, four and a half hour drive straight from Dodge to Stanley, but you've got a whole bus of guys that got to get dropped off at other prisons on the way. so you're you're on this bus you know hands and feet shackled you know there's there's a there's a toilet in the back that you got to I mean just how are you going to use the toilet when you're like that right so so it smelled like piss you know the floor is wet just nasty so you're on this bus I'm on this bus for about eight and a half hours just to go four hours away because we had to stop at let people off in like New Lisbon, Fox Lake. I remember Waupon, we dropped a couple guys off at Oxford, which is a federal place. I don't know if you know about that. That actually Ryan Leone spent time at Oxford here in Wisconsin. Who's that? Quick fact.

You don't know who Ryan Leone is? No. He is, basically, you know, he was a drug addict and he went to prison, did time, whatever came out. And he was a really funny, a guy that people could relate to and that would make you laugh. So he started a YouTube channel. So you can look that up. And he has, you know, all these stories on here from, you know, is using his prison and all that. And it's very, it's pretty entertaining.

You should definitely check it out. Okay. So he's a YouTuber. Yeah. He ended up doing YouTube. However, he actually passed away last year, I believe, like a couple months ago, actually, yeah. He was, he was clean. He was with, he was with his girl.

You know, everything was good. He had a kid back. He was living on his own and everything was good. But he had a relapse and he ended up dying, which is unfortunate, you know, but that's what happens. That's what comes with the territory. So we drop all these guys off at these prisons on the way, and I finally get to Stanley, which is a medium. And this is where I spend. most of my sentence um so i get there probably at 11 11 30 uh i finally get through r and d

and the intake and i get down the unit at like 1130 after after everyone's locked in you know they tell me which sell to go to and uh and that's where i and that's where i uh did time for about a year i think it was about 10 months 11 months at Stanley no it was a little over a year I'm sorry it's a little over a year I was at Stanley and then that's when so obviously I had a drug problem and that was documented and the judge allowed I put in put in the paperwork that I could do the ERP program which is basically earned release which is kind of like the same thing is your what is it called Ardap Ardap yeah it's basically Ardap at this at this place called

Chippewa so I get transferred from Stanley to Chippewa which is which is not far it's only about 15 minutes away so they just take you in a van you get there and this Chippewa place is is compared to where I was it was sweet it will it will it will it it did feel like it did feel like a five-star hotel compared to where I just was. It was a secured minimum, so there was fences and everything, but there was open movement. So you could come and go from the yard any time that, basically from eight till lunch, after lunch, till dinner, and after dinner for a couple of hours. You could go out on the yard.

You could sneak to other units, you know, do your thing. I'm a cold. If you're making moves. Yeah, exactly. So at that Chibawa place, I was given a bed date, which is basically a start date for your program. Your programming got to, that you got to finish to get out. You do this program for six months, and you get a year knocked off your sentence. Nice.

Yeah. So, I mean, and I needed, I thought I needed that, you know. So I spent nine months waiting for my bed day to start this program. So during that nine months, I'm, you know, just doing time, figuring out the routine at the new institution because, you know, you got to get into a routine when you get locked up or you're just making time worse on yourself. So I get a routine going, I start making some friends there, and I end up running into a guy that's actually from Milwaukee as well, a black guy, he had sickle cell anemia, and he also had a few other medical issues that basically he was He was given oxycodone, 20 milligram pills, two of them, four times a day. So I get in with this guy. You know, I haven't started my program yet, you know, so I figure, fuck it. I'll mess around.

So I start getting, you know, these oxies from him, and I'm doing my thing. now in prison they drug test you randomly and especially at these at these lower ones especially these ones where there's the drug treatment place and so I'm doing these these oxies and stuff and eventually I get the middle of the night they come and they say hey we need to take you for a drug test they take me out of the cell I say I'll say that Okay, go to the bathroom. I try to stall a little bit. Because before I had left the cell, I woke up my buddy who was in the bunk behind me. Because these are 10-man cells. There's four 10-man cells per unit.

And then there's a few two-man cells for the workers. So I tell my friend, hey, I need you to help me out here. So, because we have talked about this in case I get a drug test, I need you to pee. So he had this little container that he, that he was saving in case this happened, that it did, twice, actually. So I wait for him to, I basically tell the cops, I can't pee, I need some water, whatever. They say, okay, go sit in the servery, drink water in there, and then let us know when you got to go. let me back onto the unit, obviously, so they lock me in the servery. However, there's a window to the unit from the servery.

So I see my buddy go to the bathroom. He comes out. He looks at me, and he gives me a nod. I say to the cops, I'm ready. Go back in there. At the, you know, behind the urinal, there's this little cup. I dump that in there. I take a piss in the urinal.

I flush it. I give it to them. and i'm good so there was a lot of things like that uh you know things that would say that would never that would never fly in coleman they took you in a special room and the cops stood in there with you and just and watched you pee oh he oh they they they were watching me but um right the way that the bathroom was set up it like they couldn't be right next to me they were kind of standing behind me. So they couldn't really see, they couldn't see exactly what was going on, but, you know,

they obviously, they could catch people doing, you know, stuff if the, if the person isn't smart enough or, you know, doesn't have, doesn't have the right setup. So I passed that drug test, which is the one that they give you right before you start your programming. It was about a month before on my bed day. So I passed that. I get into the programming. And this is kind of where I start to realize that I need to stop doing this stuff,

or I'm going to get caught in here, and I'm going to have to do the rest of my time in a medium. You know, because this place is sweet. I wanted to stay there, and I wanted to, you know, finish out my time there. Yeah, that's how I felt about ARDAP. I, like, definitely wanted to be there. Like, like, that was, I wanted to be there. Yeah, exactly. It was, it was nice.

I wanted to be there, but at the same time, there were things there that, you know, were not good. Obviously, you got people going through the program, and they're snitching up. People to get, get rewards and points. that you could use these points to, you know, to get a late night, to be able to play a Frisbee golf out on the yard. Because they had Frisbee golf, they had, like, the goals, right? But they wouldn't set them out in the yard for just anyone. They only set them out for people that made these points.

So it was like, you know, there's something special. So people wanted to do it, you know, tell on someone, get some points, and you can play frisbee golf one day, you know, which, you know, it's nice. I like frisbee golf and I would do it on the outside all the time. But that didn't mean that I was going to start telling out people in order to play frisbee golf in prison. Right. It's amazing when you have everything taken away from you,

what what raises up to the um you know to to be like a goal like like what's what's important like what's like they actually can hold that out something on the street that you'd be like i don't give a shit but in there you have so you have nothing so that's like a big deal oh yeah like getting to go to like the movie room and watch movies they had movies you could watch was like wow i can go watch a movie it's like it's just now you look at it and you go that's stupid like who cares well listen you got nothing that stuff ends up being an incentive right is you know fucked up but yeah so i mean and that's the way that they that they would weed out people that that didn't want to that they didn't want to be in the program right so you know people were getting told on

for all kinds of stupid things. I mean, just dumb stuff. We'll just leave it at that. So I'm in the program, and so like I said, I start to realize I need to stop fucking around in there, and I need to take this seriously. So for the most part, I clean up everything. However, the one thing that I really was doing, there was I was tutoring for GED and eventually some of the people realized that you know I

was good with computers obviously and that's another thing like we had discussed on the phone when I had got to prison first off they you know they ask you for your paperwork you're selling or people there and I said you know they said why are you here I said oh well drug stuff and and you know it was some computer stuff and that's obviously the wrong thing to say in prison right because uh they they think you're they think you're yeah yeah exactly so kids stuff and and and that wasn't the case so i had to get my paperwork and show them that it was it was dark well you know fraud drugs uh stuff like that that end up getting me caught um so let's see let's go back uh we're we're we're we're

before I got on that little rant you were waiting for the bed space you wanted to stay in the program and you realized that you needed to clean up your act or you were going to end up having to spend the rest of your time in a medium you didn't want to do that yeah so

so I do that so I'm doing not doing the drugs anymore actually one of the reasons is because that dude ended up getting told on and he get kicked out of the program he was like in the last phase he had like three months to get out and he got kicked out because he had his he had his girl uh he got on

the phone he talks to his girl he tells his girl to call up up here um and and i don't know what he was complaining about but it was something to do with his um the way he was being treated for his medical issues um and whatever he said uh was illegal um to be talking about or to be requesting someone to do um in prison so he he goes so that's just that you know that probably helped me out a little bit because the access was no longer there for that and and there was other stuff floating around there was tobacco there was a there was a little bit of dope and and stuff that would that would get in there because like i said it was a it was a minimum it was secured but there was only a fence and right on there was from the edge of the fence

There was actually just an open field, probably 50 yards or so, and then it was trees. And there was actually guys that had, you know, like potato launchers and stuff like that. Yeah. They would have their people come put a cut open a tennis ball, stuff it with drugs, stuff it with that, you know, whatever. They wanted to get in. And then they would fire that thing into the yard, the tennis ball. um at night and you would come out in the morning and uh most of the time uh the balls would be there sometimes this because the COs would would rock the yard before opening they check the yard

before uh before they let you out um so so you would have lazy COs um and they would just say oh it's just a tennis ball you know someone left it out here and they would just leave it sometimes yeah They would pick it up and they would either throw it away or throw it back in the rec supply area. So you would have to go dig through a bunch of tennis balls and try to find this ball that's been cut open. But, you know, it was put back together in a way that you couldn't blatantly see. You would have to kind of feel it in your hand compared to the other balls. And they were doing things like that. And I wasn't involved in anything like that.

because I wanted to get out. I mean, these were, the people that were doing this were guys that, you know, they've been in and out of prison, and that's basically their life. So I'm in this program. About, let's say, two months into the program or so, I have an issue with this guy, this guy, B, D. Okay, it's a little short black guy, but he was built. You know, he was, he was tough, muscles, you know.

And he had a problem with me because that morning for breakfast, it was hard-boiled egg day. And I had a deal with the servary worker to save me a spot in the second line, basically. go through grab your tray you can go back in line if there's extras you can get an extra so i was first in line for that second tray so i could get more than more than two hard-boiled eggs right um and he had a problem with with that the fact that i um got a tray and he didn't because he felt you know entitled um or whatever you know it's stupid in there uh the things that you know people's You know, setting towels on seats, saving seats in the day room, you know. And that's generally respected by most people there because that's how it works.

But for some reason, he just didn't like it. And he comes, I'm actually back at my bunk at the time. And he comes into the cell. And he's like, hey, man, I don't know where to fuck you from, but, you know, where I'm from, you man, motherfucker, get stabbed up, blah, blah, you know, you ain't going to be doing that shit. That's not how we work around here. And I'm like, dude, you just got here, you know, two months ago. I've been doing this for the last year, you know, at this place.

So I'm like, all right, dude, you know, just piss off, you know, basically. I say, I'm not, I'm not trying to get in this argument. You know, go, get out of here. So he was, so he was heated. And I honestly, I was a little worked up to. And later that day, like I said, everyone gets a routine in prison. Later that day, I do my program. I go out on the yard.

I'm, you know, playing games out there, walking the track. And I come back in, I go to take my shower, which I would take every afternoon between like two and four. before like the 4.30 count, I would take my shower. And what he did is him and another guy plotted to basically fuck me up, basically, when I went to the shower that day. So he's sitting in the shower room with the mop bucket ringer, the handle to it. So it's basically, you know, a metal handle. the big plastic thing that squeezes the mop and he's got that in the sand and he's got the other guy sitting outside of the shower room uh you know waiting to signal that i'm the one coming in

there so i walk in the shower room completely in this is in the drug program yes in the in the minimum in the drug program um it's called ERP you know it's basically just a cognitive behavioral thing It's very little to do with drugs, mostly to do with criminal thinking and fixing, you know, all that. So, and he wasn't in the program yet. So I, you know. He doesn't sound like program material. Right. And he's not.

He's actually, he's actually back in prison right now. He got out and he was, and he's back in already. So that'll tell you everything he needed to know. So I'm going to the shower that day. I take about one step into the shower room and out of the corner. on my eye i see something coming at me and it hits me right across the face knocks one knocks one of my teeth out cracks another tooth next to it i get uh my this eyebrow this eyebrow this fucking thing is backwards on here my left eyebrow um it got cut open real bad

i thought you were going to tell me you i thought you weren't tell me that you didn't that you you that he didn't attack or you figured found out something I didn't realize you it got an attack okay so no you got hit he hit me with this mop bucket ringer so hard it cracked the tooth shattered another one right out of my mouth um and then uh I get this cut on my eye and the cut was at the time that was the worst um because what how do I explain this this cut that I got that's you know, it's this long, you know, right on my eyebrow. Um, so later, uh, basically he does this to me, you know, tries the, you know, tries to scare me, talks a bunch of shit says, don't do the shit again, or it's going to be worse next time. So I'm like, all right,

whatever, dude. Like, you know, this is kind of, this is some pussy ass shit, you know, I'm not trying to deal with it, basically. Um, but I do have to deal with it because now I'm, like, I got blood running down my face. And I'm not going to go to the cops and say this guy just hit me with a mop handle because then they're going to investigate not only him, but me and possibly anyone else that was involved or near the incident. And I don't want anything to do with that. So basically, I cover it up. I'm, I'm just trying to hide basically what happened from, from the CEOs when they come through for count that afternoon. Would you get, um, in the shoe would you guys both be thrown in the shoe yeah definitely one where they

call it the shoe there yeah they uh the shoe the hole whatever but they actually don't have a hole at uh at the chippewa place they actually send you back to stanley like i said it's only 10 minutes away so the hole is actually in stanley right at the medium so you know they they'll pack you up you know well you know basically So you have to hide this from the COs. I've got to hide because, yeah, because we've got count at 4.30 and they come through, right? I'm bleeding from the face. So I'm basically trying to hide this through count until after, until I can get out, get out on the yard after dinner, basically.

So I get out on the yard after dinner, and I basically make sure that there's people around that see. And I basically do a face plant when I'm running, working out on the track. And I basically this face plant, I come up on my head, no whatever. The CEOs see it. They got like a small watch tower on one side. and then they've got one on the other side, and they've got the CEOs that are patting people down, coming in and out and stuff like that by the door.

And they see this happen, and I come out, I get up, and I'm like, oh, no. And the worst part was, I actually, from the fake fall, I actually ended up breaking two of my fingers. So not only that, but now I got two broken fingers. So I go to the CEO I need help I think I fucked up my You know I cracked my head open And my finger hurts

Like it was it was like sideways It was probably like you know Sticking off to the side Okay And I you know And I did that to myself So I know It is what it is

So I go to the CEO I say I need to go to medical Go to medical They say ah this is this cut is bad You know It's going to need stitches. And they say, how did this happen? I said, well, I fell out on the yard, and I took a face plant while I was coming up the hill, right into the asphalt walking path.

So they say, you need stitches. They don't do it there. So I got to go to the hospital, get these stitches, get my finger set, get the splint on that. and get taken care of there, which was actually quite pleasant because I was, from there, they actually, because it's a minimum and stuff, they actually don't, they don't even cuff you. Right. They take you, they just take you in the van to the hospital. You walk in like any other person.

And I was there for probably like six hours. I got some soda, you know, I got some nice food. I got to watch TV that I could control. you know, nobody else around. It was mostly quiet, it was quiet compared to why I was. So, you know, it was a little reprieve for a few hours. So I got stitched up, got my finger taken care of, and then back to Chippewa, I go.

So I get back, and this dude that did this, he's worried. He, at this time, he thinks I told on him. He thinks something's going to happen to him and stuff. So he comes to me and he says, hey, what the fuck's going on? You know, like, did you tell or what? And I said, no, dude, I made up a story about falling out in the yard. So after that, he has enough respect for me for not telling him that he hasn't fucked with me

for the rest of the time that I'm there, which is kind of, it's kind of dumb that, you know, you got to do something like that in order to get, you know, an ounce of respect in there. So basically, I get back to Chippewa. I've got a broken finger, stitches and stuff. I'm still in the program at this time, probably three months left.

Maybe three and a half months left or so. I get there. I get back, I get back into my routine. I'm doing the GED tutoring. And like I said, they found out, well, I'm going to go back a little bit. They found out about the computer stuff, obviously pretty early. But then we get to go down to the library at this minimum where they actually have a few computers that obviously aren't connected to the Internet

or anything like that. They just have basic things like Microsoft Word. So you can make a resume or they've got, you can watch TED Talks, that's all on there. But it's all old. It's all real old. So I started teaching like basically a computer class, like twice a week. We would go down there and I'll teach them how to do basic things on the computer. Real basic stuff.

But after a little while, the CEOs started, they weren't monitoring us anymore. They just let the librarian. And that's when I started teaching them about the dark web because everybody knew. And they wanted to get involved, basically. And I'm like, listen, guys, I'm here because of this. Why do you want to get involved in this? Because I'm in the same place you are. You're just going to come back if you get into this.

You know, but hey, I'm doing it because, you know, they were paying me, you know, coffee, soups, whatever, to teach them all this stuff about the dark web and so they could get out and get back to action. So I'm doing that. I'm through the program, like I said, I cleaned up my act mostly. besides that. And I graduate the program in mid-2020. So I was in prison in this medium for when COVID started. So I got to experience that, which was, which was fun. And then I get, I get done with the program. They say, okay, your release date was moved down. You know, I'm like, cool. So I go back to myself, a couple days go by, I end up getting called in by the counselor.

He says, we got an email from Madison, which is the state that runs basically all the prison stuff, central office. Right. that inmates that have completed the program that are waiting on a release date, they'll get paroled early. As long as they, there was factors to it. They didn't just let anyone out that completed the program. You had to have a solid place to stay. They weren't accepting halfway house because of COVID, all this stuff.

So I got lucky. I end up getting out and I tell, you know, I tell them I'm going to stay with my parents. I've got a ride. I've got, you know, everything I need. And they say, all right, we'll email them back and tell them. So another couple days go by, they call me up and say, hey, you're going to be getting out in a couple weeks. Nice. Instead of doing another, what, probably year, year and a half.

or so um so i get out um and and basically um you know i was doing well when i got out um that was mid late 2020 um and uh and now i'm just trying to i'm just working on rebuilding my life and you know trying to do it right what are you doing now for work so i'm doing uh programming um a little bit of coding for uh basically world of warcraft uh hacks for a game yeah is it as as as a job yeah so people i've got uh i've got like 60 60 70 uh clients customers customers right now every month that pay for access to this script basically that you know allows them to do things in the game when they're not there or to do things that they can't do because they suck at the game basically you know it's a hack it

helps it helps them out it's you know it's a whole it's a whole other story with the coding and stuff so yeah I'm just I'm just doing this programming stuff uh i i want to um get some type of uh job outside of of this because this is something that i enjoy doing but i want to do it on the side i don't want to do it you know for for every day right it gets it's lonely you know basically right um so yeah that's where i'm right now just you know I'm I'm with my parents until I'm off probation because that's something that I'm still dealing with have you thought about being trying to be like a penetration specialist or yeah um yeah kind of like a white hat you know basically that helps

out people testing their vulnerabilities and such and I have emailed and I have emails and people because I because I really was into back in the day I was into hacking websites defacing them putting up putting up my own home screen basically they would go to their website and they would be greeted with you've been hacked by you know such and such if you want if you want everything back you send Bitcoin or Manaro you know and we'll release your stuff so you know that That was another thing. And there was all kinds of little stuff like that I was doing online.

So, yeah, I mean, I would like to do something like that. It definitely would be nice to get out of the house more because I'm, you know, I'm on probation and I'm doing this from home. So I'm here a lot of the day. Well, I mean, there are tests and stuff. Like you can take, you know, there's tests that you can take and get certifications. Yeah. So I'm, uh, there's a few things that I'm doing. I'm taking, um, not related to that, but I'm taking the Amazon course for like AWS. Um, and a few other, uh, a few other, like online

courses for, you know, just developing my skill set. Because at this, in this time in my life, you know, I haven't really had, um, a real job, you know, um, since, since shortly. after high school. So I don't have, you know, a resume to give to a company to say, hey, you know, I'm a solid person. I know what I'm doing and stuff. If they look, they just see, you know, some old stuff. And then they do the background check and, and that's when you get dismissed, basically.

Like, I'm sorry, we're not interested right now. Right. So I'm dealing, that's basically. the main thing holding me back right now is that uh is is the background checks and um being on probation and such um not being able to move around and do what i need to do okay yeah well what else you think we got anything else or uh um i mean yeah there there's a lot like is i mean is there anything else part of the story i mean i know i talked to you before um a couple you know last week um or whatever that was and if there's any other questions you have from from that

or anything you're interested in and learning about no i mean i i think that this was a good story like i think that this was you know an interesting story um i just didn't know if you wanted to do you do you want to like um do you want to promote like your social media or you want to mention like you've got i see you know you've got your your instagram yeah so my instagram is dream dot tech uh tech te k and then i have a youtube channel but i haven't really done any posting on it since before i got um arrested you got a post on it that's what yeah this one i actually just made a little update video the other day saying, hey, you know, I'm going to come back, you know, I'm just trying to figure out what I'm going to do, though. That's the problem that I'm having because before I was doing car stuff on it. You know, I was building cars, showing the cars that I have, racing, you know, basically all focused upon aftermarket, you know, modifying cars and stuff. But I do want to branch out into some. something else if I could I mean you could always start by telling your story right you know

you could break it apart into different pieces like tell each piece very slowly and and don't leave out any details you don't skim over anything and maybe it's six parts maybe it's 12 yeah because there's definitely a lot of things in there I mean like the first time um we had gotten in a high-speed chase I was with a buddy of mine um and i actually wasn't even driving he was the one driving and i wasn't ready for it at the time but i think that is uh kind of you know like your first hit of a drug uh like crack or whatever you're hooked right but that uh kind of hooked me into the adrenaline thing and that's when it started so i was i was 17 you know 18 i think maybe at the time um and that's what started me

with the getting into police pursuits and stuff like that and and street racing going to the races uh you know i was i would race for cash um you know and i and i did that i tried to do that to get money sometimes um when i was you know withdrawing or whatever i would go out on a friday night um to try to find people to race say hey you know let's go for a hundred bucks 200 bucks whatever and I didn't even have the money, but I would pick on cars that I know I could beat, you know, because I was, because I had my, I would go out in my SDI wagon, basically. It's like 600 horsepower, all-wheel drive. So I was doing that.

And, yeah, so there was one time I got in a high-speed chase where I was on the freeway. It was late, it was probably two in the morning. I was in one of my civil. back then um and i i'm running from this cop and i get off on this exit and i'm going so fast that i end up um hitting the it was a roundabout at the end of the off ramp and i go straight through the roundabout right over the grass right over the median and then i get right back on the freeway um so and i actually lost the guy um by doing that because he thought i got off and went somewhere else but I actually just got back on the freeway and he just

couldn't see around the corner where the or the or the or the on ramp was right um so there was there was all just all kinds of little little stuff like that just crazy things that could have ended and horribly um and yeah there's there's a lot of things that I could that I could talk about so that's what I'm I want to start doing things like that but I don't I don't really want to focus completely on, on, you know, illegal things and in prison and stuff like that. I don't know, but you could talk about anything to do with, like, you know, with computers or with, you know, it doesn't have to be exactly what. I mean, you know, my channel is a lot about basically like true crime stories, but I branch off. I talk about other stuff sometimes.

Like I've had people on here and I've talked to that have nothing to do with, you know, with true crime. So, you know, it just slowly develops. A nice thing is when you start off a channel, it doesn't have to have anything specific right away because it's developing and nobody's watching to begin with anyway. So you can slowly figure it out. And then what happens is two years later, when you look back on those videos, people will go back and look at them and they'll make comments like, bro, you can totally see how you've improved over the year and how your channel started off with this. and then it developed into something completely different. So what's important is to start posting. Yeah, definitely.

And that's what I started doing. That's what I did. I just made an update the other day, like, hey, I'm coming back. So I'm definitely going to start with the YouTube thing again because I did have some of that before I got locked up. You know, I had probably 1,200 subscribers or something like that before I got locked up. And was it monetized? It was, but I wasn't, I wasn't making anything.

Right. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it was a couple cents, basically, for a video, you know, if I was lucky, which, I mean, I knew if I kept going with that, that it would get better. But, you know, I was also living this dual life where I was on YouTube doing this car stuff. but when i was off the camera i'm doing all this drug stuff um and illegal stuff so those two really don't mix um trying to trying to put yourself in in the public you know spotlight on on on the internet and then doing this stuff uh it's just not it won't mix right well all right all right

well i mean i appreciate you you know i appreciate you doing this yeah i thanks for thank you for reaching out to me um if you want like i can put do you have like a link tree or you want me to i can uh colby can put your your description box you can put all the links to your social media stuff yeah yeah if you want to just put that uh you know in the video or in the description or whatever you know okay that's fine no problem yeah let me wrap this let me let me let me do an outro hold on real quick hold on hey so if you like the video do me a favor and hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this and also share the video if you if you if you liked it to your friends and family leave me a comment in the comment section I try and

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