Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Dark Web Hacker Obsessed with Evading Police | Insane True Story

Episode Date: November 23, 2024

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If I see a cop, just drive by them, get off the freeway, flip around, and then go drive by them at like 120. When you get away, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. Like, you know, you couldn't sleep. It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your system. That's when I started teaching them about the dark web because everybody knew. And they wanted to get involved, basically. And I'm like, listen, guys, I'm here because. of this why why do you want to get involved in this because i'm you know this is i'm in the

same place you are you're just going to come back if you get into this basically world of warcraft hacks for a game yeah is it as as as a job yeah Dave is a dark net cyber criminal and uh he's got you know i talked to him for about an hour or so the other day. Super interesting story. And so check it out. So let's, bro, let's start at the, let's start at the beginning. Like, I mean, where were you born? Okay. So I was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And I was born in 92. So I'm 30 years old right now. I lived in Milwaukee with my, with both of my parents till the mid-2000s, which then we moved out to a suburb,

kind of about 10, 15 minutes outside of Milwaukee. And then that's where I lived. That's where I'm currently at right now. Well, so my dad, he was a truck driver. He drove dump trucks locally. He wasn't like an over-the-road thing, so he was, you know, he was home every night. you know he wasn't out driving so and my mom uh she's like um a book uh she does like payroll and uh

yeah bookkeeper checks and checks and stuff like that um for like an old folks uh community basically so hi what'd you go to high school um yep so i my first high school um yeah so i my first high school Um, at first high school I went to, I got expelled, uh, because, uh, because I listened to this, ma'am. Um, so I was, I was in basically study hall, which is right before lunch. Um, so I had a pipe in my backpack and I didn't have any weed or anything like that. But I went, uh, to the bathroom. I took a, you know, you know, took a little hit off of whatever was left in that pipe, you know, just, uh, I was bored, you know, study hall. I was, I didn't really care about, you know, school at that point. So I was just, uh, trying to get high and, and hang out, basically. So I come back from the bathroom and this, uh, this girl that was sitting, uh, behind me to the left, uh, apparently she, she smelled, uh, she smelled, uh, she,

smelled like that I smelled like weed. And she basically texted her mom. Her mom called the school office, the school office, then alerted the security there. They came down. And all of a sudden, I notice there is, you know, a teacher that comes in and she's kind of walks through and she's looking around. And probably about a minute or two into her doing that. I realize that she's kind of really just focusing on me. So I start devising a plan to get rid of this pipe that I have because they're obviously going to check me in. I know I don't have anything in my locker, so that's good.

So Study Hall gets let out. I jet over to the lunchroom, and I see one of my buddies in there, and I hand the pipe off to him. And I say, hold on to this. You know, and I go, I go grab a tray, I get my food, I just get to my seat, I start eating, and all of the security and the principal come in. And they say, we need to talk to you. Come with us. So basically, they took me up to the office.

They told me about the allegations. I denied them, obviously. I basically. You don't have the bite on you. I didn't have it on me. So. Right. And I know I didn't have me.

We had no paraphernalia, nothing else. So I said, all right, you can search, they wanted to search my backpack. They wanted to search my locker. So we searched the backpack in there. They find nothing. We go down to my locker. They pull it all out. They find nothing.

So basically, they don't really know what to do, basically, because there's no proof that this happened. So they say, all right, well, we're going to suspend you. You need to go take a drug test at some lab and come back to us with the results. and then we'll let you back in, you know, if you pass. So I go do that, and it was about three or four days after I had taken that hit. And listen, I was smoking weed every day at that time. So it's in my system. I go take the test.

But before I go, I do kind of like an at-home detox type thing. and then I basically water down my pee, right? So I go and I pass. No drugs in my system, take it back to them. That still wasn't enough for them. They said due to this allegation, due to other past incidents that I had because I was kind of, you know, not exactly the best student there. It was influencing other kids and stuff like that.

And they kind of knew about that after talking to other people. So they basically said, we're not going to let you back in. So they expelled me from that school. Which leads me to the next school, which is where I go. I start. This is, let's see, freshman. This is the start of my sophomore year. So the first, probably like the first semester.

So I get there. It's a public school. This other one was a private school. So that's basically why they were so strict on this whole, on the whole thing and expelling me. So now I'm at this public school. And this is not, you know, this is not a good place to go when I'm, you know, clearly using drugs and stuff because there's tons of tons of people there way more than at the other school. that are using drugs, selling drugs, doing all kinds of stuff, skipping school. So that's when I start dabbling with a little bit more than just weed. Up until then, it was just weed, and occasionally I would have some alcohol. So I start dabbling at this new high school, introduced new friends. We, you know, club drugs, MDMA. you know LSD all that type of thing and that really that really lit a spark and I basically became really interested in like pharmacology you know how how the

drugs work systematically what they affect all that stuff so by the time I had graduated that that public school I had already become addicted to roxycodone pills basically and also my buddy worked at an old folks home and he had access to fent patches so we were doing the fent patches and we were sniffing oxy thirties and stuff like that by the time i graduated to high school So I graduated in 2011. And in 2012, I guess, is kind of when things went from just playing around to real life. A few of my friends OD'd, a few on the patches.

Well, one of them OD'd on heroin. one of them OD'd on on Xanax and oxycodone I believe and then yeah those are those are the first two that was in 2012 I would if those two first happened so 2012 I start college I'm going to a local going to like kind of a local school basically for a medical degree of some type since I became interested you know in the in the drug culture and all that stuff it just made sense to me to maybe go into the medical field so I had that interest in pharmacology and medicine and you know mental health and how drugs can affect that and how they can help that and such. So, you know, I was, I was still doing drugs while I was going to college and

stuff. And that really wasn't good because I would probably be at, you know, two classes a day if I even went that day. So I'm not, I'm not doing the greatest in college, but I'm making it. So during spring break, 2013, I was down, I was downtown. I was on the east side. I was on a side street. I'm walking, and I get hit by a car. It throws me. I break my neck.

Three of my vertebrae. Were you walking on the street? Well, I was crossing on a side street. Okay. Okay. Sorry. I didn't realize that you were like, thought you were on the sidewalk or something. Somebody went up on the sidewalk. No, no. She just, she just ran the stop side while I was walking across the sidewalk or I was walking on the sidewalk to the other side of the street. Okay. So, so she, she hits me with her Jeep. I get thrown, break my neck, a couple other, you know, things. But the neck was the most serious one. C4 or C6 is all fused together now, so range of motion is lacking, you know, pain, stuff like that.

So I get into surgery, well, anyway, they, let me go back. So I, they hit me, I'm knocked out, basically. I don't remember anything except for the impact. And they get me, and they sit me up, they try to sit me up on the sidewalk, but I couldn't sit up straight. I kept just falling over because I had no sense, I had no equilibrium, basically. And start the surgery about a day after that accident, they had me in the hospital because they were concerned that about the drugs in my system, because they did a blood test, and they found, they found H and some benzos.

stuff like that in my system. So they waited a day. I start the surgery. Everything goes, you know, as well as it could according to the doctor, which, you know, I'm not so sure about, but it is what it is. You know, I can't really fix it. So anyway, I spend probably two weeks in the hospital or so after that recovering, gaining, you know, moving. getting strength and such and during that time i'm on ivy dilaudid and oxy syrup um like a lot so because i was addicted to opiates already they had to up the dose obviously so they were giving me a lot and i was discharged i was given you know a huge script for uh roxycodone um tens i was I was given to, I think it was 240 or 260 milligrams a day, just of the oxies.

And this is when my opiate use kind of just was kicked into overdrive. You know, like I, I started doing physical therapy, but I was also still doing heroin. And after I came home from the hospital, I had a neck brace on, you know, and I was, you know, I was obviously not in a good situation. I shouldn't have been going out and driving down to the hood and copping down there. Well, I got a neck brace on. They said, you cannot drive because you can't, you know, move. You can't see behind you. Stuff like that.

So obviously that's just reckless, right? And I'm putting myself in danger, possibly others. but at that time I'm not worried about that, you know, who cares about that? I need to get, I need to get this, I need to get this stuff. So I end up doing, I end up getting to about $50 to $100 a day of an H-habit on top of those prescribed oxies from the next thing. However, about a month after the accident, so two weeks. weeks after I got out of the hospital. The doctor wanted to get me off the oxies. So she starts a taper, which really wasn't, really wasn't much of a taper. Yeah. So, well, there wasn't much

of a taper. She cut about 30 milligrams, I believe it was, every three days. So I was completely off the oxy within, you know, a week or so, you know, give or take. And that's, that's obviously not enough when you're dependent to be taken down that fast. It needs to be slower. So basically they start talking to me about, I go in for my checkups for my neck, from a surgeon and such. While this taper is going on, they start talking to me about ibuprofen for pain, which, I mean, come on, that's not going to work.

And then they start saying, possibly they want me to switch to suboxone or methadone to handle my pain and my addiction to opiates. So, of course, I replaced that oxy that she took me down on with more heroin. So now I'm doing $100 to $200 a day of heroin mixed in with, Xanax, Valium, basically anything else. I could find at that point that would help with the pain and, you know, just take me out of the situation that I was living in, basically.

Eventually, in late 2013, October, I go to rehab for the first time. And after rehab, well, they get me on Suboxone in rehab, I get, I get, I do the 30 days inpatient, which was kind of miserable because I, you know, that was actually my 21st birthday, was in October. So I was basically in rehab for that, which kind of sucked. But, you know, it's, it's much better than jail, you know. There was girls in there. There was, you know, you could watch TV, have a phone and such.

It wasn't the worst, but it just kind of sucked. It wasn't how I thought my 21st birthday would go. Were you facing jail? Like, I mean, facing jail for what? Were you busted or? No. No, no, no, not at that point. Okay.

I, we'll get to that if that's coming. All right. So, so this went on, this went on for probably, probably until, mid 2014 um then i began to try you know stop taking the suboxone and i was and i was doing heroin again and um that's when i that's when i ended up catching my first charge um shortly after that basically uh i had a friend that ended up uh snitching on our mutual drug dealer He was my drug dealer, which I introduced my friend to, and he ends up getting caught for something. He snitches on the drug dealer to get out of it.

And in that, in all of that, I am always coming and going from the guy's house. And the police see that, and one day they're sitting there around the corner, I pull off, they follow me, I get pulled over, searched. They say, we know where you were, we know what you were doing, why's the drugs, blah, blah, blah. So that was my first charge of possession of narcotics, possession of paraphernalia. You know, not too bad, but it was my first, you know, real serious brush with the law. I had gotten, I had gotten in a little bit of trouble when I was under 18 for weed and stuff, obviously not serious. But those charges, so I'm in county jail, you know, miserable. My parents get me a lawyer.

So that was $15,000 for a simple drug charge, which I think now that I look at it, that is insane. I should have paid maybe 5K at most. I'll be going to go just going with the public defender. Honestly, I should have, but it was my first. you know, a real charge. I was scared. You know, I thought I need to get a good lawyer. So I got the best lawyer basically in town for this, which was kind of stupid looking back. But, you know, hindsight, you know, 2020. I know that. So, my first lawyer, I paid $75,000 to. I paid $70,000 to plead me guilty, to plead me out to a three year. And I was never facing jail time. Like, I just was

stupid and young and didn't know and I was scared. And same. same scenario here right so um 15k gets me a deferred prosecution agreement which i could have got with the public defender anyway as my first is my first defense right so then i was back on the street um they had me on like a year basically of probation i had to do community service you know all that bullshit. So I took that. I did take that seriously because I didn't want to go to jail. Obviously, again. So I remained sober for that until 2015. And in June 2015 is my best friend had ended up OD, basically. And let's see, we. he was so i was just at the tail end of this dpa probably like a month left my friend dies

this od it hit me really hard um because i hey i hung out with him every day we went to school together uh he was at that public school um high school um so he odes passes leaves um you know A young son, at that time, he's probably four years old, his girlfriend, the rest of his family and, you know, and his friends. So that kind of ended up with me going into a spiral of relapse and destructive behavior. I would be getting high. I would be going to street races. I'd be running from the police purposefully. That was one of the things that I just really enjoyed doing.

I would go out late at night, got on the freeway, kind of head north, out of the city, and just if I see a cop, just drive by. him get off the freeway flip around and then go drive by him at like 120 so this is on a motorcycle i'm assuming you're on a no no no no in a car what are you driving uh i had two i had well i had three cars uh during that short during during this time frame basically i had um i had two honda civics one of them was uh basically uh basically fully built all motor car and it made probably about 270 horsepower but it only weighed you know

2,000 pounds so this thing was basically a go-cart you know yeah and and it was and it was fast then you know 270 horsepower if anything nowadays but back then and with the the conditions and everything it was it was a quick car and so I would go I would but I would go blow by I'm at a hundred hundred twenty or whatever I kind of wait to see if they're going to follow me because sometimes it just wouldn't you know they would just they would just keep sitting there and just let me go but the best times were when they would pull out obviously as soon as I seen those lights my adrenaline went from from here to you know all the way up here and that was on top of getting high I think that was

probably one of the best drugs that I had done, basically, was the adrenaline rush from running from the police. Because after you do that, when you get away, you have, you're so pumped up for the next eight to 12 hours. Like, you know, you couldn't sleep. It was just, you know, adrenaline coursing through your, through your system. And then I also, I had a Subaru, a Subaru, STI that was also fully built 600 horsepower big turbo all that which I mean that was that was fun to to run from the Copsin but I really liked that car and I didn't want to fuck it up so you know Honda Civic is a Honda Civic but this car was it's basically full full custom everything right body everything all that maybe I can

you know get some pictures or something like that we can throw them up um so besides my street racing doing drugs um and all that i was um we'll go back a little bit when i have first started babbling um 20 back in in public high school junior senior year so 2010 2011 i started uh hearing about the dark depth or the dark web whatever you want to call it so um i had i had ordered some some drugs from there uh back then you know just here and there i wasn't really into it but fast forward we're back to um you know that that time frame after my friend dies and i'm running 20, 2015, whatever.

So I get back on the dark web, basically, and I think this is what I'm going to start doing. So I begin to get drugs off there, basically ordering heroin, you know, all the ones that I enjoy, basically, all the downers. and then I would get other drugs that I would sell. What form is this? So there was a few. There was, in the beginning, obviously, there was like Silk Road and stuff like that that was on. Then we get to these Hansa Market.

I mean, there was a bunch of these marketplaces, basically. And it's basically like eBay, right? for drugs right and anything illegal um so i begin to do that and uh i start obviously it gets very expensive so then i have to start figuring out ways ways i can offset the money that i'm spending i uh i have a connection to a lab in china where i was getting um i was getting things for very cheap, like benzo, those research chemicals. Not sure if you know anything about those. They're basically drugs that have haven't been used,

approved for anything. They're basically, you know, made in a lab, someone makes some tweaks to a molecule and they come up with a different drug. So- Right, so it's legal. For example, well, it's, it's sort of legal. For example, you have Xanax, which is Alpraslam. So one of the research chemical versions

would be flu Alpraslam, basically, which is just a fluorinated version of El Praslam. It's more potent, last longer, and stuff like that. So I'm getting these research chemicals and such from this lab in China. I could get the grams where, $45 and if I bought more which I started doing because at first I would buy two grams of you know this two grams of that two grams of this and then I would take

it I would get it repackage it also market it basically press press these into press them into pills and then sell them on the dark net also locally, you know, here and there to people that I trusted. So let me just say this off of, you know, $45 for a gram of one of these things, which is basically about a thousand doses. So I would turn around and sell them for, you know, basically $3 a dose. so the profit margin is is pretty pretty big on that um so i'm starting to get money from that everything's good um and this is when i start well the fentanyl really comes into play here

so i have a question where you're you said you're reselling it some of it to people you know and what are you doing with selling the rest of it on the forum on the forum yeah so i mean i was selling most of it on the dark nap on one of these okay so you're just a vend you're a vendor you started yeah i i i started i got a vendor account because at first i was just a buy i just had a buy account so i had to get verified did you become a vendor basically they got to pay um you got to pay a fee basically they'll let you in they'll check you out you got to um you know do verification type things to become a vendor so i become a vendor i'm doing that selling those rc and stuff and then you know

that's that's when the fence and then i do um in between all that i was doing little little stuff here and there to to support myself like um i would get credit card numbers I would get accounts for, you know, bank accounts, cryptocurrency account, Coinbase, you know, basically any type of account, Netflix. And I was either reselling them or using them like to buy things or transferring the money, buying crypto with it. And then I would get, you know, transfer to my own account then, basically. I end up finding a guy down in Florida who was who was getting getting that stuff.

I don't know. I probably tried to. But so that was my first one. There was also a couple in Canada that ran like a retail boutique type clothing store. But in the back is where they had their operation. for their vendor on the dark net. So they were selling, you know, all kinds of stuff out there, but mostly in the fence.

There was also a guy down in Texas. And then later on, there was a guy in Wisconsin, just like an hour away. So I've got, you know, multiple connections. So I'm getting different types of this from all these guys. They all got different types. have analogs, basically, of the sound. I don't want to start listing off the names because that's, you know,

you two might take, you know, too many. They're already going to have a row. They're already going to have a problem. But it might. Go ahead. Yeah. But so, so there's a lot of your, it's a lot of stuff. Yeah.

So a lot of different stuff. So basically I would take that. I would take that fent powder and I would make a solution I would order about 100 or 200 of these like a nasal spray you know like a empty nasal spray bottles off on Amazon and then just a big jug of saline solution I would make a big solution a volumetric solution with this with the you know the stuff and turn it into a nasal spray that, you know, didn't look like it was drugs, right? It's just nasal spray, saline spray. And I even had custom labels made up my own labels that I put on it, you know, so it looked legit. So that's when it was big time, basically, when I started figuring out the nasal spray thing

and I was doing that. What kind of money are you making with this? You know, it's hard to say because I was spending so much at the same time. Like, I would, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't saving any money. So I would probably say, um, geez, probably, probably $5,000 a week in profit or so. Okay. Um, not bad. You know, and that, not, yeah, that's okay, right?

Yeah, it's a decent line. So you can maintain it. Yeah, if you can maintain it, which is the problem, right, exactly. So in 2016 to 2018, that's basically, that was my main hustle, was vending on the dark net. Right. You know, also the, you know, and then street racing, a little bit of fraud here and there, I would, very, very early on, I found, you know what 4chan is?

That sounds familiar. Message, basically. Oh, yeah, yeah. Message board, right. On there, way back in the day, people started making these fake coupons for things at, like, electronic stores and stuff like that. So I would get a coupon basically, and it would be for a brand new video game that. just came out, you know, $60, $80 game, and I get it for a dollar using this coupon. Online or you go in the store?

No, in the store, right in the store, and see. And so the coupon isn't, it's not legit, obviously, but the people running the register there are teenage kids, you know, I'm talking about, you know, get going to game stop. You know, you don't have, you know, super highly intelligent trained people. work in the register there. So they see the coupon. They, they try to scan it. It doesn't scan through. They override it and they override it and they enter it in. So I'm getting these games for a dollar. Brand new games. It just came out. Also, you know, coupons for grocery stores, load up a whole cart, meat, ribs, steaks, all that stuff. Get it for a couple bucks.

So little, little, you know, nickel and dime stuff like that was going on kind of before I started the big dark net vending. Right. And then and then all that just seemed, well, some of it went away that the coupon stuff obviously didn't last long. You had homeless people that found out about it and they were, they were abusing it so, so hard that there was actually like, you know, nationwide email. know, sent out to all these companies that, you know, about these coupons. They're not legit and stuff like that. That's what. So that didn't.

That does that last off. John Boziac. Yeah. Like when he was a kid and he was homeless, they used to make fake like Burger King and McDonald's gift certificates. He said, he was like, you know, like you'd get one. You'd scan it. He said, and, you know, it wouldn't, he said, you'd go in there.

Even if it didn't scan, he said, you know, they just override it and give you the food. Like they weren't going to, they weren't going to, you know, call the cops over a $10 or a $5 gift certificate. Right. So he said, you know, he was basically abusing it. Right. They were abusing it for years until eventually they'd come in. They just go like, no.

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what happened. Towards the end, you would go in there with a coupon, and they would say, no, we know what this is. Get out of here. I'm going to call the cops. Don't come back. We get to probably the 2016 to 2018 era. which was the big money-making one.

So during the end of that, towards the end of 2017, beginning of 2018, eventually packages begin to go missing. Weird things start happening. They're arriving late. You know, obviously something's going on. And right then, I should have known, you know, that there was an investigation going on. I should have, you know, I should have cut bait and I should have just, I should have got out of there. I probably could have, you know, got away at that point without being being identified.

Because basically they were investigating a case where one of the, one of those vendors, I believe it was the, the Canadian one, sent some of their stuff to someone down in the United States. They ended up ODing, and they found the evidence, basically, of dark net transactions. They found the package that came in, stuff like that. So they knew that they were dealing with more than just, you know, some kid on the street that, you know, go down to the hood and got some stuff and OD, right? So they, a task force started with the FBI, the USPS Postmaster, local, you know, sheriffs, local government, you know, local law enforcement, all of them. They start this, they start this huge operation to take down all these fentanyl dealers and stuff like that. 2018 is when, um, beginning of 2018, I believe it was February or March, uh, is when my door gets kicked in. Um, and I was, it was, it was, they didn't knock on the door and.

No, no, no, they did. They did. They did. They did. Actually, they did because I was, I was sleeping at the times. So I didn't answer. So they're at the door. They're all surrounding the house. There's probably 20, 25 of these cops all down the block surrounding every street, you know, because they didn't know what to expect. But what they did know is that I, they had circumstantial evidence at that point that I was one of these people involved in this operation, which they're, they weren't wrong. So, yeah. So I end up getting my, the door gets kicked in. I hear this. I'm actually sleeping at the time. Now, now most raids happen, you know, people say four in the morning, whatever, when people are sleeping. This happened at like 10.30 in the morning. But I was

expecting a package that day. I know the mail doesn't come until 12, 1 o'clock. So I wasn't too concerned, so I was just, you know, hanging out. I was sleeping, just waiting for the package to get there. So let's see, let me, let me rewind. There was a package that came probably two or three days before that it wasn't the normal mail guy, for one. For two, he didn't just leave it in the mailbox. He came up to the door and asked for us. signature for it. That's another thing that I should have knew that something was going on

because this package didn't require a signature. And, you know, obviously I find out that wasn't actually a, you know, a post of a mailman, you know, it was a US. It was a USPS, a federal inspector. So, yeah, not good. I end up with, from that, that, I end up with about 18 felonies for possession of all these substances for conspiracy to distribute, conspiracy to get it, and there was a couple misdemeanors to you in there as well. Where are you living at this time? So at the time my door gets kicked in, I was living in. I was living in Milwaukee.

Are you living with your family, with your parents, or? No, no, not at that time. So I get these charges, 18 felonies, a bunch of misdemeanors. And I think I'm fucked, you know. But the good thing is, is that when I heard that door, it kicked in, I jumped out on my bed. I knew as immediately that it was the police. I jump out of my bed.

I run over. I kick my computer off. Basically, I just kick the damn thing. And it ends up turning off and locking, basically. You know, everything was encrypted on my computer. If it wasn't already open, you're not going to get on it unless you have the keys, the password, all that. So they weren't able to get into my computer, which. saved me from a lot of the charges.

I can look at some of the charges here on the court documents. There was everything from, I think I already said, basically, all the chart is. I'm getting a little, I'm getting a little loss here. Uh, so you, you, they grabbed you. Yeah, this is the, this is basically the first time I'm telling, I'm telling any of this story, um, right,ly, you know, except for people that, that know me and stuff like that. So I'm in county jail. Well, let me rewind. They raid the house.

They get me out, you know, put me in the car. They're searching the house. They go through everything. They end up. One of the cops actually ends up stealing from one of my roommates. In his room, he had $1,000. He had $1,000 in a Bible that was like his emergency money. you know if something comes up right so they they go in there and they you know they

know they tear apart everyone everyone shit you know when really they should have they should have just tore apart my stuff and maybe the community you know living room bathroom stuff like that but they didn't they go through the whole house they steal a thousand dollars from my roommate out of a bible how uh how great is that you know police protecting and serving and stealing well that happened they're they're regular people yeah exactly um so i'm sitting out in the car they're they're going through the house you know they're fine the more the longer they're in there they're bringing out more and more and more stuff you know um so that's when the detectives approach me and say hey

what do you want to do about this basically, you know? Do you want to talk to us or what? And I say, no, not right now. I'm not, you know, in a good stay of mind at that point because, you know, I was still doing drugs and I was, I didn't do any before that. So I wasn't feeling good at that time. And I just, I said, just take me to jail, you know, get me through the cell. Let me get me in front of the judge and look.

get this figured out but i'm not talking to you about any of this stuff you know you do what you got to do so in county jail um basically you know you're supposed to get in front of a judge within two within 48 to 72 hours here i believe it is um but during that time i was coming off all those drugs i ended up having seizures um which led to uh Aspiration pneumonia from basically I was puking so violently and so often that I ended up inhaling my own puke and that caused an infection of my lungs. Also getting rhabdomyalysis, which is basically your muscles break down. Your muscle fibers end up getting in your bloodstream, your whole body. and your body isn't made to process all that.

So that's why you get kidney failure and stuff because you get these, I'm trying to figure out how to explain, but basically muscle fibers can't be processed, you know. So it backs up your system. So I'm in the jail, seizing, all this other stuff. for about two, two days.

So that's when they basically call medical. Medical comes in, they say, you need to get this kid to the hospital. Or he's going to die, basically. So they transport me. I go to the hospital. They diagnose me with all that stuff that I said. And basically, they couldn't talk to me, obviously, at that point.

So I was actually put into a three-day induced medical coma while they figured out what was going on, testing my blood, all that. So at that time, I had, you know, I'd been obviously handcuffed to that bed. for about 14 days I think it was actually 12 it's almost two weeks I'm in I'm handcuffed to this bed you know I couldn't move I was getting weaker I was trying to get over this is rabdomyalysis and I you know I was I was peeing it was brown was like orange brown and so I was in basically kidney failure at that point was was I was on the edge of being me being being dialysis, basically, if we can get it sorted quick enough.

So that's why I was in the hospital for so long. So they get me on a few medications to stop from seizures and all that. So they end up taking me back. I missed my court date because of all this. Obviously, they couldn't take me to court when I was having seizures. So I get. get back they say uh i say you know when am i going to see the judge um obviously the ceos in there they don't they don't give a shit they don't know uh well they do know they could look

up in the computer but they don't um so eventually about a week goes by and they say hey listen you uh you got court in the morning um so i go i go to court um in cuss the uh in front of the judge During this time, back up, my parents, they didn't know where I was or what was going on, obviously. My house was taped up. I was gone. There was no record of me in the hospital because I was in custody. So my parents had no idea where I was. And they end up finding out, I don't know how my dad finds out. how he'd think he went to the jail or he went to the hospital and he actually seen me at the hospital. And then they end up getting me a lawyer.

I'd get in front of the judge. I mean, that was another, that was another 20K for the lawyer. And I get in front of the judge. I was offered a plea for five and a half years in. to out. And I held out for probably, I held out for like a week or two, trying to, trying to get a better deal, trying to talk to the lawyer, to talk to the DA and stuff like that, you know, you know, trying to get them to take into account, you know, all the medical stuff and all

that. So eventually, I take that plea, because. Otherwise, I would have gone to trial, and I probably would have got smoked. I mean, I absolutely just smoked for like 10, 15 years, at least, I would bet. Right. Because at that time, you know, that's when the crisis was just really starting to hit the mainstream. So I would have been made a huge, I would have been just a huge win for the county and the state and everyone, basically. if they get this conviction and you know they can put in their uh in the in the news you know they

stopped a drug dealer you know that was dealing right right in your neighborhood right next to your kids putting uh everyone in danger by having this stuff shipped in the mail you know something could happen and someone comes in contact with what's inside the package and You know, that first of all, it's never going to happen unless someone tries to get into the package. These packages are double vacuum seal, inside an X-ray-proof bag, inside another plastic bag, and then put into, you know, the shipping compare. So anyway, you know, I digress. So anyway, I took this plea five and a half years, basically.

So, you know, back to county jail, and I wait for the prison, for the prison transport, which came a few weeks later, and I was off to, me and a few other folks who were off for a nice drive to Dodge Correctional institution, which is basically the classification place that they take you. um but it's also uh basically like a maximum security prison uh state maximum um so they had a few units for classification well this is what you mean this is state yeah they had me in a state prison so the reason um the reason it gets basically i get charged by the state was because the um federal authorities, basically the United States Postmaster and stuff like that, they couldn't prove that I was one, that I was selling this stuff because I had

knocked my computer over, it went off, they couldn't get into it. So there's no record that way. However, they had, before I got arrested, there was an investigation going on because they knew someone in that area was shipping things out because they were finding these packages all over the country and they would trace them back to the area where they were shipped. They can do that. They can see exactly what USPS box a package was dropped off into and stamps and all that. So they knew someone in the area was doing this at that time.

So basically, they had all this circumstantial stuff, but they didn't have that smoking gun, basically, which was my computer. So, so they weren't able to, so basically they handed off, well, I guess they didn't really hand it off because the state was involved the whole time as well. Right. It's a, it's a tab course. Yeah, it was a full, it was a full task course. So, let's see, I was, I was in this Dodge Correctional for two and a half months being class. classified, you know, they go through the gauntlet of medical, dental, vision, you know, they do all that bullshit, you know, to make sure everything is, to make sure you're not going to die or, you know, you're not physically disabled in some way, and they don't know about it. So in those classification units, you're in your cell 24-7 except for going to that medical appointment, or whatever, which, you know,

it's trays in your cell, you get out two times a week, maybe three to take a shower. Once you get out of the first phase, yeah, the phone, rec, once you get out of the first phase, you can get out an hour for a wreck, I think it was like three times a week, which, You know, I was happy that, you know, I could get a little bit of sunlight because I had been in the county jail and stuff like that, you know, with no wreck, no outside, no fresh air, nothing. So, so that was, that was good, but it was still, you know, it wasn't the best situation.

So I get out of the classification. no trying to make you happy it's they're not concerned about your comfort are you happy is everything okay right but you they do do room service though so they do they do there's security anyway yeah security and room service that's basically all you get there um so i get out of the classification unit um about two and a half months um i go to one of the other units, which is on the other side of the prison, which is basically where they house inmates that are already sentenced, and they were sentenced to do their time at Dodge,

because it's also a prison, not just a classification. So I'm on where those units were. That's not where you were sentenced, though. You weren't going to do your time there. No. Okay. No, I was waiting for my transport eventually, which would come. So, I'm in the normal housing units where you can actually get out, you know, you can get out of yourself for a few hours at a time.

There's one TV. There's phones. You know, stuff like that's much better than being in yourself 24-7, obviously. So, let's see. And that's actually where. in dodge is actually where i learned uh where i learned how to fish um because basically you know you're in these cells and you know it's the guy next to you and in the other cell over has something that you want or you want a tray or something like that so um to anyone watching if you

know or fishing is it's not with a rod and a hook uh on the lake um it is carved into a hook. Yep, yep, bar of soap carved into like a hook. Right. You can do, yeah, there's a few things you can do for your string, basically. You could do elastic if you

want to be able to kind of you take it and kind of fling it and get it towards, you know, something and catch it or you do like a long, you pull apart one of your state things and you've got you know, just basically a thread.

So that's where I learned about that, which kind of blew my mind because I had never been in prison. I didn't know anything about that at the time. So, in my cell, he taught me how to do that. Yeah, he taught me, you know, a lot of things that I had no idea I would need for the upcoming, you know, a couple years. So after, I'm in that Dodge for, you know, a few months, I would get transferred finally to Stanley Correctional, which is, which is only about, I would say, a four, four and a half hour drive straight from Dodge to Stanley, but you've got a whole bus of guys that got to get dropped off at other prisons on the way. so you're you're on this bus you know hands and feet shackled you know there's there's a there's a toilet in the back that you got to i mean

how are you really going to use the toilet when you're like that right so so it smelled like piss you know the floor is wet um just nasty so you're on this bus i'm on this bus for about eight and a half hours just to go four hours away because we had to stop at let people off in like new Lisbon Fox Lake I remember upon we dropped a couple guys off at a Oxford which is a fed federal place I don't know if you know about that that actually Ryan Leoney spent time at Oxford um here in wisconsin who's that quick fact you don't know who ryan leone is no he is um basically you know he was he was a drug addict and uh he went to prison uh did did time whatever came out and he was a really funny uh a guy that you could people could relate to and

that would make you laugh so he started a youtube channel. So you can look that up. And he has, you know, all these stories on here from, you know, is using his prison and all that. And it's very, it's pretty entertaining. You should definitely check it out. Okay.

So he's a YouTuber. Yeah. He ended up doing YouTube. However, he actually passed away last year, I believe, like a couple months ago. Actually, yeah. He was, he was clean. He was with his girl. You know, everything was good.

He had his kid back. He was living on his own. And everything was good. But he had a relapse and he ended up dying, which is unfortunate. You know, but that's what happens. That's what comes with the territory. So we drop all these guys off at these prisons on the way. And I finally get to Stanley, which is a me,

game. And this is where I spend most of my sentence. So I get there probably at 11, 1130. I finally get through R&D and the intake, and I get down the unit at like 1130 after everyone's locked in. They tell me which cell to go to. And that's where I did time for about, a year I think it was about 10 months 11 months at Stanley no it was a little over a year I'm sorry it's a little over a year I was at Stanley and then that's when so obviously I had a drug problem and that was documented and the judge allowed I put in put in the paperwork that I could do the ERP program which is basically earned release, which is kind of like the same thing as your, what is it called, Ardap?

Ardap. Yeah, it's basically RDAP. At this place called Chippewa. So I get transferred from Stanley to Chippewa, which is not far. It's only about 15 minutes away. So they just take you in a van, you get there. and this Chippewa place is compared to where I was, it was sweet. It did feel like a five-star hotel compared to where I just was.

It was a secured minimum, so there was fences and everything, but there was open movement so you could come and go from the yard, any time that, basically from eight until lunch, after lunch till dinner and after dinner for a couple of hours. Go out on the yard. You could sneak to other units,

you know, do your thing. If you're making moves. Yeah, exactly. So, at that Chibawa place, I was given a bed date, which is basically a start date for your program. Your programming got to, that you got to finish to get out.

You do this program for six months, and you get a year knocked off your sentence. Nice. Yeah. So, I mean, and I needed. I thought I needed that, you know. So I spent nine months waiting for my bed day to start this program. So during that nine months, I'm, you know, just doing time figuring out the routine at the new institution because, you know, you got to get into a routine when you go.

locked up or you're just making time worse on yourself. So I get a routine going. I start making some, you know, some friends there. And I end up running into a guy that's actually from Milwaukee as well, a black guy. He had sickle cell anemia. And he also had a few other medical issues that basically he was, he was given oxycodone, 20 milligram pills, two of them, four times a day. So I get in, I get in with this guy. You know, I haven't started my program yet, you know, so I figure, fuck it. I'll mess around. So I start. getting, you know, these oxies from him, and I'm doing my thing. Now, in prison, they drug test you randomly, and especially at these, at these lower ones, especially these ones where there's

the drug treatment place. And so I'm doing these, these oxies and stuff. And eventually, I get the middle of the night, they come and they say, hey, we need to take you for a drug test. They take me out of the cell. I said, okay, go to the bathroom. I try to stall a little bit. Because before I had left the cell, I woke up my buddy who was in the bunk behind me. Because these are 10-man cells. There's four 10-man cells per unit.

and then there's a few two-man cells for the workers. So I tell my friend, hey, I need you to help me out here. So, because we have talked about this in case I get a drug test, I need you to pee. So he had this little container that he was saving in case this happened. That it did twice, actually. So I wait for him to, I basically tell the cops I can't pee. I need some water, whatever. They say, okay, go sit in the servery, drink water in there, and then let us know

when you got to go. They wouldn't let me back onto the unit, obviously, so they lock me in the servery. However, there's a window to the unit from the servery. So I see my buddy go to the bathroom. He comes out. He looks at me, gives me a nod. I say, to the cops, I'm ready. Go back in there at the, you know, behind the urinal there's this little uh little cup i dump that in there i take a piss in the urinal i flush it i give it to them and i'm good so there was a lot of things like that uh you know things that would say that would never that would never fly in coleman they took you in a special room and the cops

stood in there with you and just and watched you pee oh he oh they they were watching me but um right the way that the bathroom was set up, like they couldn't be right next to me. They were kind of standing behind me. Right. So they couldn't really see, they couldn't see exactly what was going on, but, you know,

they obviously, um, they could catch people doing, you know, stuff. Um, if the, if the person isn't smart enough or,

you know, doesn't have, doesn't have the right setup. Um, you see, so, um, I passed that drug test. which is the one that they give you right before you start your programming.

It was about a month before on my bed date. So I passed that. I get into the programming. And this is kind of where I start to realize that I need to stop doing this stuff, or I'm going to get caught in here, and I'm going to have to do the rest of my time in a medium. you know because this place is sweet i wanted to stay there and i wanted to you know finish out my time uh there that's how i that's how i felt about ardap i like definitely wanted to be there

like like i wanted i wanted to be there yeah exactly it was it was nice um i wanted to be there but at the same time there were things uh there that you know we're not good uh obviously you got people going through the program and they're snitching them people to get rewards and points that you could use these points to you know to get a late night to be able to play a frisbee golf out on the yard because they had frisbee golf they had like the the goals right but they wouldn't set them out in the yard for just anyone they only set them out for for people that made these points so it was like you know there's something special so people wanted to do it you know tell on someone get some

points and you can play frisbee golf one day you know which you know well you know it's nice i like frisbee golf and i would do it on the outside all the time but that didn't mean that i was going to start telling out people in order to play frisbee golf in prison right it's amazing when you have everything taken away from you what what raises up to the um you know to to be like a goal like like what's what's important like what's like they actually can hold that out something on the street that you'd be like i don't give a shit but in there you have so you have nothing so that's like a big deal oh yeah like getting getting to go to like the movie room and watch movies they had movies you could watch was like wow i can go watch a movie it's like it's just now you look at it and you go

that's stupid like who cares well listen you got nothing that stuff ends up being an incentive right which is you know fucked up but yeah so i mean and that's the way that they that they would weed out people that you know that didn't want to that they that they didn't want to be in the program right so you know people were getting told on for all kinds of stupid things I mean just dumb stuff okay we'll just leave right yeah so I'm in the program and so like I said I start to realize I need to stop fucking around in there and I need to take this seriously so for the most part I clean up everything however the one thing that I really

was doing in there was I was tutoring for GED and eventually some of the people realized that, you know, I was good with computers, obviously. And that's another thing. Like we had discussed on the phone when I had got to prison. First off, they, you know, they ask you for your paperwork, you're selling or people there. And I said, you know, they said, why are you here? I said, Oh, well, drug stuff, and, you know, it was some computer stuff. And that's obviously the wrong thing to say in prison. Right. Because they think they had pictures of underage.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So kids stuff, and that wasn't the case. So I had to get my paperwork and show them that it was dark, you know, fraud, drugs, stuff like that, that end up getting me caught. so let's see let's go back uh where before i got on that uh little little rant rant you're waiting for the bed space you you wanted to stay in the program and you realized that you needed to clean up your act or you were going to end up having to spend the rest of your time

in a medium you didn't want to do that yeah so so i do that so i'm doing not i'm not doing the drugs anymore actually uh one of the reasons is because that dude ended up getting told on and he get kicked out of the program he he he was like in the last phase he had like three months to get out and he got kicked out because he had his he had his girl he got on the phone he talks to his girl he tells his girl to call up up here um and and i don't know what he was complaining about but it was something to do with his um the way he was being treated for his medical issues um and whatever he said uh was it was illegal to be talking about or to be requesting someone to do in prison.

So he goes, so that's just that, you know, that probably helped me out a little bit because the access was no longer there for that. And there was other stuff floating around. There was tobacco. There was a little bit of dope and stuff that would get in there because, like I said, it was a minimum. It was secured, but there was only a fence. and right on there was from the edge of the fence there was actually just an open field

probably 50 50 yards or so and then it was trees and there was actually guys that had you know like potato launchers and stuff like that yeah they would they would have their people come put a cut open a tennis ball stuff it with drugs stuff it with that you know whatever they wanted to get in um and then they would fire that thing into the yard, the tennis ball, at night, and you would come out in the morning and most of the time the balls would be there. Sometimes because the COs would rock the yard before opening. They check the yard before they let you out. So you would have lazy COs and they would just say, oh, it's just a tennis ball. You know, someone left it out here.

And they would just leave it. Sometimes they would pick it up and they would either throw it away or throw it back in the rec supply area. So you would have to go dig through a bunch of tennis balls and try to find this ball that's been cut open. But, you know, it was put back together in a way that you couldn't blatantly see. You would have to kind of feel it in your hand compared to the other balls. And they were doing things like that. And I wasn't involved in anything like that because I wanted to get out. I mean, these were, the people that were doing this were guys that, you know,

they've been in and out of prison, and that's basically their life. So I'm in this program about, let's say, two months into the program or so. I have an issue with this guy, this guy, B.D. It's a little short black guy, but he was built. You know, he was tough, muscles, you know. And he had a problem with me because that morning for breakfast, it was hard-boiled egg day. And I had a deal with the servory,

worker to save me a spot in the second line, basically. Once you go through, grab your tray, you can go back in line. If there's extras, you can get an extra. So I was first in line for that second tray. So I could get more than, more than two hard-boiled eggs, right? And he had a problem with the fact that I got a tray and he didn't because he felt, you know, entitled. um or whatever you know it's stupid in there uh the things that you know people's you know setting towels on seats saving seats in the day room you know and and that's that's generally respected by most people there because that's how it works um but for some reason he just didn't like it and uh he comes i'm i'm actually back at my bunk at the time and he comes into

the cell and he's like hey man i don't know where to fuck you from but you know where i'm from You man, motherfucker get stabbed up, blah, blah, you know, you ain't going to be doing that shit. That's not how we work around here. And I'm like, dude, you just got here, you know, two months ago. I've been doing this for the last year, you know, at this place. So I'm like, all right, dude, you know, just piss off, you know, basically. I say, I'm not trying to get in this argument. You know, I got out of here.

So he was, so he was heated. And honestly, I was a little worked up to. And later that day, like I said, everyone gets a routine in prison. Later that day, I do my program. I go out on the yard. I'm, you know, playing games out there, walking the track. And I come back in, I go to take my shower, which I would take every afternoon between, like, two and four before like the four 30 count I would take my shower and what he did is him and

another guy plotted to basically fuck me up basically when I went to the shower that day so he's sitting in the in the shower room with the mop bucket ringer the handle to it So it's basically, you know, a metal handle and then the big plastic thing that squeezes the mop. And he's got that in the sand. And he's got the other guy sitting outside of the shower room, you know, waiting to signal that I'm no one coming in there. So I walk in the shower room completely. And this is in the drug program. Yes.

In the minimum, in the drug program. It's called ERP. You know, it's basically just a cognitive behavioral thing. Very little to do with drugs, mostly to deal with criminal thinking and fixing, you know, all that. So, and he wasn't in the program yet. So I, you know. He doesn't sound like program material. Right.

And he's not. He's actually, he's actually back in prison right now. He got out and he was, and he's back in already. So that'll tell you everything you need to know. So I'm going to the shower that day. I take about one step into the shower room and out of the corner of my. eye i see something coming at me and it hits me right across the face knocks one knocks one of my teeth out cracks another tooth next to it i get my this eyebrow this eyebrow this i fucking thing is

backwards on here my left eyebrow um it got cut open real bad i thought you were going to tell me you i thought you weren't telling me that you didn't that you that he didn't attack or you found out something i didn't realize you it got an attack okay so no you got he he hit he hit me with this mop bucket ringer so hard it cracked the tooth uh shattered another one right out of my mouth um and then uh i get this cut on my eye and the cut was uh at the time that was the worst um because what how do i explain this this cut that i've got that's you know uh it's this long you know right on my eyebrow um so later uh basically he does this to me you know tries the you know tries to scare me talks a bunch of shit says don't do this shit again or it's going to be worse next

time so i'm like all right whatever dude like you know this is kind of this is some pussy ass shit you know i'm not trying to deal with it basically um but i do have to deal with it because now i'm i got blood running down my face and i'm not going to go to the cops and say this guy just hit me with a mop handle because then they're going to investigate not only him but me and possibly anyone else that was involved or near the incident and i didn't want anything to do with with that so basically i cover it up i'm i'm just trying to hide basically what happened uh from from the CEOs when they come through for count uh that afternoon would you get um thrown in the shoe would you guys both be thrown in the shoe

yeah definitely were they called it the shoe there yeah they uh the shoe the hole whatever but they actually don't have a hole at uh at the chippewa place they actually

send you back to Stanley like I said it's only 10 minutes away so the hole is actually in Stanley right at the medium so you know they they'll pack you up you know well you know basically

um let's see so you're you have to hide this from the COs I've got to hide because yeah because we've got count at 430 and they come through right and I'm bleeding from the face so I'm basically trying to hide this through count until after until I can get out get out on the yard after dinner basically so I get out on the yard after dinner and I uh I basically make sure that there's people around that see. And I basically do a face plant when I'm running, working out on the track. And I basically this face plant, I come up on my head, no whatever.

The CEOs see it. They got like a small watchtower on one side. And then they've got one on the other side. And they've got the CEOs that are patting people down coming in and out. and stuff like that by the door and they see this happen and i and i come on i get up and i'm like oh no and and and the worst part was i actually from the from the fake fall i actually ended up breaking two of my fingers so not only not only that but now i got two broken fingers um so i i go i go to the ceo i need help i think i fucked up my you know i cracked my head open and my

and my finger hurts, like, it was, it was, it was like sideways. It was probably like, you know, sticking off to the side. Okay. And, you know, and I did that to myself. So, you know, it is what it is. So I go to the CEO, I say, hey, I need to go to medical. Go to medical. They say, ah, this is, this cut is bad, you know, it's going to need stitches.

And they say, how did this happen? I say, well, I fell out on the yard and I took a face plant while I was coming up the hill right into the, uh, to the asphalt walking path. Um, so they say you need stitches. They don't do it there. So I got to go to the hospital. Get these stitches. Get my, uh, get my finger set. Um, get the splint on that and, uh, and get taken care of there, which, um, was, was actually quite pleasant, uh, because I was, um, from there, actually, because it's a minimum and stuff, they actually don't, they don't even cuff you. Right.

They take you, they just take you in the van to the hospital. You walk in like any other person. And I was there for probably like six hours. I got some soda, you know, I got some nice food. I got to watch TV that I could control, you know, nobody else around. It was mostly quiet, it was quiet compared to why I was. So, you know, it was a little reprieve for a few hours. So I got stitched up, got my finger taken care of, and then back to Chippewa, I go.

So I get back, and this dude that did this, he's worried. He, at this time, he thinks I told on him, he thinks something's going to happen to him and stuff. So he comes to me and he says, hey, what the fuck's going on, you know, like, did you tell or what? And I said, no, dude, I made up a story about falling. out on the yard. So after that, he has enough respect for me for not telling him that he hasn't fucked with me for the rest of the time that I'm there, which is kind of dumb that, you know, you got to do something like that in order to get, you know, an ounce of respect in there.

So basically, I get back to Chippewa. I've got a, you know, broken finger, stitches and stuff. I'm still in the program at this time, probably three months left, maybe three and a half months left or so. I get there, I get back, I get back into my routine. I'm doing the GED tutoring, and like I said, said, they found out, well, I'm going to go back a little bit, they found out about the computer stuff obviously pretty early. But then we get to go down to the library at this minimum where they actually have a few computers that obviously aren't connected to the Internet or

anything like that. They just have basic things like Microsoft Word, so you can make a resume or they've got you can watch TED talks that's all on there but it's all old it's all real old so I started teaching like basically a computer class like twice a week we would go down there and I'll teach them how to do basic things on the computer yeah real basic stuff but But after a little while, the CEOs started, they weren't monitoring us anymore. They just let the librarian. And that's when I started teaching them about the dark web because everybody knew. And they wanted to get involved, basically.

And I'm like, listen, guys, I'm here because of this. Why do you want to get involved in this? Because I'm, you know, I'm in the same place you are. You're just going to come back if you get into this. You know, but, hey. I'm doing it because, you know, they were paying me, you know, coffee, soups, whatever, to teach them all this stuff about the dark web and so they could get out and get back to action. So I'm doing that.

I'm through the program, like I said, I cleaned up my act mostly besides that. And I graduate the program in mid-2020. So I was in prison in this medium for when COVID started. So I got to experience that, which was fun. And then I get done with the program. They say, okay, your release date was moved down. You know, I'm like, cool. cool so i go back to myself a couple days go by i end up getting called in by the counselor

he says we got an we got an email from madison which is the state that that runs basically all the prison stuff central office right that inmates that have completed the program that are waiting on a release date um they'll get get paroled early as long as they there was there was factors to it that they that you know they didn't just let anyone out they completed the program you had to have a solid place to stay they weren't accepting halfway house because of covid all this stuff so i got lucky i ended up getting out and i tell you know i tell them i'm going to stay with my parents I've got a ride, I've got everything I need, and they say, all right, we'll email them back and tell them.

So another couple days go by, they call me up and say, hey, you're going to be getting out in a couple weeks. Nice. Instead of doing another, what, probably a year, year and a half or so. So I get out. And basically, you know, I was doing well when I got out. That was mid, late 2020. And now I'm just trying to, I'm just working on rebuilding my life and, you know, trying to do it right.

What are you doing now for work? so I'm doing programming a little bit of coding for basically World of Warcraft hacks for a game yeah is it as as a job yeah so people I've got like 60 60 70 clients customers right now every month that pay for access to this script basically that you know allows them to do things in the game when they're not there or to do things that they can't do because they suck at the game basically you know it's a hack it it just helps it helps them out it's you know it's a whole it's a whole other story with the coding and stuff so yeah i'm just i'm just doing this programming stuff uh i want to um get some type of job outside of

this, because this is something that I enjoy doing, but I want to do it on the side. I don't want to do it, you know, for every day. Right. It gets lonely, you know, basically.

Right. So, yeah, that's where I'm right now. Just, you know, I'm with my parents until I'm off probation because that's something that I'm still dealing with. Have you thought about trying to be like a penetration specialist or? Yeah.

Yeah, kind of like a white hat, you know, basically that helps out people testing their vulnerabilities and such. And I have emailed and I have emails people because I really was into, back in the day, I was into hacking websites, defacing them, putting up my own home screen, basically. They would go to their website and they would be greeted with, you've been hacked by, you know, such and such. If you want everything back, you send Bitcoin or Manero, you know, and we'll release your stuff. So, you know, that was another thing. And there was all kinds of little stuff like that I was doing online.

So, yeah, I mean, I would like to do something like that. It definitely would be nice to get out of the house more because I'm, you know, I'm on probation and I'm doing this from home. So I'm here a lot of the day. Well, I mean, there are tests and stuff like you can take, you know, there's tests that you can take and get certifications. Yeah. So I'm, uh, there's a few things that I'm doing. I'm taking, um, not related to that, but I'm taking the Amazon course for like AWS, um, and a few other, uh, a few other, like online courses for, you know, just developing

my skill set because at this, in this time in my life, you know, I haven't really had, um, a real job, you know, um, since, since shortly after high school. So I don't have, you know, a resume to give to a company to say, hey, you know, I'm a solid person. I know what I'm doing and stuff. If they look, they just see, you know, some old stuff. And then they do the background check. And that's when you get dismissed, basically. Like, I'm sorry.

We're not interested right now. Right. So I'm dealing. That's basically the main thing holding me back right now is that. uh is is the background checks and um being on probation and such not being able to move around and do what i need to do okay yeah well what else you think we got we got anything else or uh um i mean yeah there there's a lot like is i mean is there anything else uh part of the story. I mean, I know I talked to you before a couple, you know, last week or whatever that

was. And if there's any other questions you have from that or anything you're interested in learning about. No, I mean, I think that this was a good story. Like, I think that this was, you know, an interesting story. I just didn't know if you wanted to, do you want to like, do you want to promote like your social media or you want to mention like you've got you've got your your Instagram yeah so my Instagram is dream dot tech tech T-E-K and then I have a YouTube channel but I haven't really done any posting on it since before I got arrested you got a post on it that's what yeah this one I actually just made a little update video the other day saying hey you know

You know, I'm going to come back, you know. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm going to do, though. That's the problem that I'm having. Because before I was doing car stuff on it, you know, I was building cars, showing the cars that I have, racing, you know, basically all focused upon aftermarket, you know, modifying cars and stuff. But I do want to branch out into something else if I could. I mean, you could always start by telling your story. Right. You know, you could break it apart into different pieces, like tell each piece very slowly and don't leave out any details.

You know, don't skim over anything. And maybe it's six parts. Maybe it's 12. Yeah, because there's definitely a lot of things in there. I mean, like the first time we had gotten in a high-speed chase. I was with a buddy of mine. um and i actually wasn't even driving he was the one driving and i wasn't ready for it at the time but i think that is uh kind of you know like your first hit of a drug uh like crack or whatever

you're hooked right but that uh kind of hooked me into the adrenaline thing and that's when it started so i was i was 17 you know 18 i think maybe at the time um and that's what started me with the, uh, getting into police pursuits and stuff like that and, and, and, uh, street racing, going to the races, uh, you know, I was, I would race for cash, um, you know, and I, and I did that. I tried to do that to, uh, get money sometimes, um, when I was, you know, withdrawing or whatever. I would go out on a Friday night, um, to try to find people to race, say, hey, you know, let's go for a hundred bucks, 200 bucks, whatever. and I didn't even have the money, but I would pick on cars that I know I could beat, you know,

because I was, because I had my, I would go out in my SDI wagon, basically. It's like 600 horsepower, all-wheel drive. So I was doing that. And, yeah, so there was one time I got in a high-speed chase where I was on the freeway. It was late, it was probably two in the morning. I was in one of my civics back then and I'm running from this cop and I get off on this exit

and I'm going so fast that I end up hitting the it was a roundabout at the end of the off ramp and I go straight through the roundabout right over the grass, right over the median and then I get right back on the freeway so and I actually lost the guy

by doing that because he thought I got off and went somewhere else but I actually just got back on the freeway and he just couldn't see around the corner where the on-ramp was. Right. So there was all kinds of little stuff like that, just crazy things

that could have ended horribly. And yeah, there's a lot of things that I could talk about. So that's what I'm, I want to. start doing things like that but i don't i don't really want to focus completely on on uh you know illegal things and in prison and stuff like that i don't but you could talk about anything to do with like you know um you know with computers or with um you know it doesn't have to be exactly what i mean

you know my channel is a lot about basically like true crime stories but i i branch off i talk about other stuff sometimes like i've had people on here and i've talked to that have nothing to do with you know, with a true crime. So, you know, it just slowly develops. A nice thing is when you start off a channel, it doesn't have to have anything specific right away because it's developing and nobody's watching to begin with anyway. So you can slowly figure it out.

And then what happens is two years later, when you look back on those videos, people will go back and look at them and they'll make comments like, bro, you can totally see how you've improved over the year and how your channel started off with this and then it developed into something completely different. So what's important is to start posting. Yeah, definitely.

And that's what I started doing. That's what I did. I just made an update the other day like, hey, I'm coming back. So I'm definitely going to start with the YouTube thing again because I did have some of that before I got locked up. You know, I had probably 1,200 subscribers or something like that. um before i got locked up um and um was it monetized it was but i wasn't i wasn't making anything right okay yeah i mean it was a couple cents basically uh for for a video um you know if i was

lucky uh which i mean i knew if i kept going with that that it would get better um but you know I was also living this dual life where I was on YouTube doing this car stuff. But when I was off the camera, I'm doing all this drug stuff and illegal stuff. So those two really don't mix, trying to put yourself in the public spotlight on the internet. And then doing this stuff, it's just not, it won't mix. Right. Well, all right. All right.

well i mean i appreciate you you know i appreciate you doing this yeah i thanks for thank you for reaching out to me um if you want like i can put do you have like a link tree or you want me to i can uh colby can put your your description box you can put all the links to your social media stuff yeah yeah if you want to just put that uh you know in the video or in the description or whatever you know okay that's fine no problem yeah Let me wrap this. Let me do an outro. Hold on. Real quick. Hold on. Hey, so if you like the video, do me a favor and hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. And also share the video if you liked it to your friends and family.

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