Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Dark Web Kingpin Makes Millions... Then One Fatal Mistake

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There was a few weeks where I made $500,000. I didn't know it was going to blow up like this. This got too big. I'm going to get caught. It started when I was 13 years old. I got picked on for being skinny. Right. And I didn't even think about it until I started getting picked on for it.

And then I kind of looked at myself. I said, I am unnaturally skinny. Right. So right there, I started lifting weights and I never looked back. I now know I had low testosterone my whole life. Right. And just because, you know, now I understand I had all the symptoms. I was, you know, not only did I not mature like my peers, I would put in, when I started working out, I put in a lot of effort, two hours a day of working out.

And I would get half the results of my peers. Any one of my friends could go to the gym for a month and just suddenly be, you know, be more muscular than me. I was also, I also showed other signs of hypergodontism or low testosterone. Depression, fatigued all the time. I had to nap every day. I got called a lazy piece of shit by adults because I, because I was just not ambitious. I had the,

I had the nap. I couldn't grow any facial hair until, until I started taking testosterone in my 20s. Like, I just didn't mature like my peers and I could, I could see that there was something going on. Again, consequently,

I was depressed. I got walked on. I was a people pleaser. I just wanted everybody like me and I was kind of like, your typical beta, beta male, right? So in my early, 20s, I asked the doctor. I think I want to test my testosterone. There's something wrong here. I'm just not like

everybody else. Right. And you've been working out that whole time. I've been working out hard, like two hour days. So what did the doctor say? The doctor said, no. He said, he wasn't even going to test me. He said he wasn't, there's no way somebody in the early 20s can have low testosterone. We're not going to even test you. So I had to take my health in my own hands. So I got testosterone through one of my bruntary. Went to a guy, a guy at the gym. A guy at the gym, yeah, I did it. I had to do it through the black market. The medical community wasn't going to help me.

So, yeah, I got it from the gym. I don't know. For anybody who knows anything, I did a relative of a small amount. I did one millimeter of sustenone, which is a testosterone blend. And I did 10 milligrams of D-Ball a day. Anybody who knows about this stuff would know what they does. Dibol was good stuff. Deep ball is fantastic stuff.

So when I took this and I immediately, dramatically, dramatically, dramatically improve my quality of life to the point where I live two completely different lives, two completely different worlds. The first thing I did is I put on, it shows you how starving I was for androgens or testosterone. I put on 32 pounds of muscle. And I put on, I hyper responded, put on 32 pounds of muscle and 100 pounds on my bench press. in five weeks, five weeks.

I just blew up. I look like a completely different person. I don't want people to think it's just about the muscle. Muscle is healthy. Like the medical community, the government, and we'll see why. It's all engineered, right? They believe that building muscle is bad,

and you can't take this stuff. We're not allowed to prescribe it so that you can build muscle. Right, right? That's one of the reasons we're not allowed to prescribe it. But building muscle is one of the healthiest things you can do. It reverses metabolic disorder. It reverses insulin resistance.

It reverses diabetes. It increases your metabolism and gives your body a reservoir for glucose so that. And that's how you reduce insulin resistance. That's how you reduce your glucose. You're healthier with that, right? But they demonize it. They demonize that aspect of it. But I also don't want people to think it's just about building muscle, even though that is healthy.

It's also neurology. I was now a different person. I was confident. It turns out I wasn't a lazy piece of shit. I was ambitious and motivated. I'm very ambitious and motivated. I just needed the right amount of testosterone. Suddenly, the way society treated me, this is what I want to highlight.

The way society treated me was different. Suddenly everybody wanted to befriend me. I would walk into a bar and every head would turn. And I never had that before. I would walk through that bar and people would part out of my way. It's just a different air about you. Like you're presenting different pheromones. And people notice you.

Everybody, again, everybody wanted to be my friend. I had instant respect, and I never had that before. It's like the confidence of having a girlfriend and not having one. Nothing changed. I don't think anything changes about me, but the moment you have a girlfriend, other girls are interested. The moment you don't have a girlfriend, they don't want to tell you. They can smell the desperation on you or something like, oh, that guy or something.

Same thing with a job. If you go get a job looking at McDonald's, you can find a better job. job. If you have no job, it's pure desperation looking. You're absolutely right. So I always say when people are like, I can't find a job. I'm like, go get a job at McDonald's and look while you're look while you're looking. Yeah. Leverage your current job to find. And with that confidence, listen, I already got something. I don't need this. Right. And you're absolutely right. It's different. People treat you differently when you have that confidence. So and that's what happened. When I was in college, I was a plumber and I hated plumbing. I didn't want to be a plumber. I was

terrible at the job. And when I suddenly, for no reason other than I stood before, I'm looking stout, my boss gave me a raise when I started testosterone. It's just, I mean, the world treats you differently. Yeah. It looks like being a hot chick. Yeah. Anybody says life isn't easier for a hot chick. Come on, man, stop it. Stop. You're crazy. My life changes. I had to know what was going on. So I happened to be, I've always been a science guy. I happened to be in school for biochemistry at the time. So I started tailoring my degree to the study of hormones. I took all these classes that were, where am I going to learn about hormones? I started reading voraciously on my own. I couldn't put it down. While most kids my age were coming home playing video games,

I couldn't wait to come home and study hormones. I just dove in. I had to know what is going on here. Why do I feel so good? Most of all, why is nobody talking about this? So over time, I just got, I just understood and I got better at it and better understanding it. And then other people came to me and said, hey, I see the dramatic improvement that you've made. How did you do that? And I said, well, let me show you. So I just started helping people. So when I help somebody and they showed me respect and appreciation and admiration, I get dopamine and it makes me want to do that again. Let me go help more people. Right. Because that felt good when I did that. And it just drove a passion. And I couldn't stop.

Like I didn't, you know, I finally found my niche, especially when you're in your early 20s, right? Like, we don't know what we're doing. We don't understand the economy. We don't know. We don't understand how the hell to navigate this world in the economy. So when I finally started to find my niche, I can do this. This is something I'm good at. I'm a benefactor.

I'm helping people. It just, I just became, you know, passionate about that. So I just kept going. Over time, like I, I had nailed down supply chains so I could get this all from the black market because no doctor was going to prescribe this stuff to people. This was when I was 23, so this was like, you know, over 20 years ago. So when testosterone was more stigmatized than it is now, it's getting a little better, but there's still a long way to go. No doctor was going to prescribe this.

So I had to nail down supply chains and start helping people. Over time, I said, I got to monetize this because at first I was just helping people for free just because I wanted to. Right. But it started more and more people started to come and I said, I have to monetize this. it's taking a lot of time. So I started nailing down better supply chains, getting better pricing, and then marking the cost of this stuff up, and then showing people how to use it in the proper way.

Where are you getting this stuff? So it was just some local guys, right? At first it was just some local guys. I mean, yeah, I understand at first, it's just they're getting it from Mexico or something. Yeah, they were probably. Most of that stuff back in that time period came from Mexico. And then there was a shift to China. Okay.

And then that's where I started getting massive amounts of raw powders from China. Right. But at this time, it was Mexico. Okay. Yeah. So, and they would, yeah, they would just find different ways to actually, they found different ways to have somebody mail it to them. They'd hide it in like little children's toys and like, or little, like, I don't know,

like little treats. And there would be stuff inside the stuffed animals or these little things like that. So they would just find ways to hide it. And what's actually happening is, like, you just have like a couple of connects. at the gym that you're meeting with. Yeah, and that's how those guys were getting this. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Just a couple connects at the gym. But what I eventually do is like I've always been a social comedian. So I've always been able to go find my supplier, supplier, orchestrate better deals, you know, you know, start talking about, well, let's get volume here. Let's give me a break so I can, so I can do some things. We'll all make more money.

And I've always been good at talking and orchestrating those kind of deal. So I started to kind of do that kind of thing. And then I was just marking these up and selling them. So one day it was just one of my friends came home from college. He went away to college and he just came back from the summer. And he was just like, hey, somebody gave me this email address. I just email this guy in China and you order it. You send him money and he sends you this stuff and it's fantastic.

I was just like, that sounds like weird. You just email a guy and just send some guy you don't know money. And he was like, yeah, I'm telling me it's work. We've done it a whole bunch of times. Let me try it. So you order something small, right? And then you get it in. Sure enough, it comes in.

And, you know, it was rudimentary. Back in the day, like, you know how the vials come, right? Yeah. Like your testosterone vial comes, right? And a stopper and a thing. Back in the day, when we first started getting this, it came in a test tube with a cork on top. You just popped the cork off.

It doesn't feel dangerous at all. You popped the cork off. You put the needle in and take it out and inject it. And I'll be goddamned if we didn't get. huge and it was really potent and it was freaking good. So we're like, whatever. Now, this Chinese guy professionalized this operation later so it got, the vials came. But at first, that's what it was. And in retrospect, but at the time, we're just like, we're just looking for something. Now, these prices were much better than my

local guys, right? So significantly better. Like, great prices. So now I'm, now I have my, My product cost is low. I can, my, my, my, um, revenue goes up. One day, one of my friends, one of my clients says, there's some guys doing this online. Right. And if you go to this website and they're doing what you do, but you do it better, you give people much better advice and your, your prices are lower.

Right. I think you could do well in there. You should go check it out. So initially I went home and I get on the website. and I look at and I'm and I start research it. I'm like, damn, I can do this. I could undercut these people and, and like I know how to use this stuff. Like nobody else really knew how to use it.

So I can really help people with information as well as the product. But this is illegal. It's all black market. And so you're, is this your full-time gig at this point? No, no. So, well, I was in college. Oh.

And I just had like a side gig, but I was pretty poor. Like, even though I was hustling some steroids, it was a small city. So I didn't have a bunch of clients. There's not a ton of money in this. You're marking up a vial 20 bucks. And these guys are buying it every six weeks or something, right? Exactly correct. Like, I'm not going to get rich off of your.

It was even less. It was like, yeah, every two or three months they're buying a vial. And yeah, and you're right. I might make $50 out of mile. Yeah, and it's hard to advertise. Yeah, well, I was a walking advertiser. Right. People are like, how do you look like that?

Here's my card. What is this website? Is there any type of cryptic messaging on this website? It's just like a website where they're like, hey, I've got this much? No. It's still in existence. It turns out it's the largest, steroid source form in the entire world. Right?

Like millions and millions of unique hits a month is one of the most popular, the largest by far. I didn't know this at the time. So I'm researching on this and I'm like, I can do this. Now, I remember the first time I'm like, okay, I'm going to do this. So I ordered myself an extra bunch of steroids. I had a duffel bag full of steroids in my laptop. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to do this. I'm going to launch.

And I just went and I posted this menu of my stuff on the line. I didn't know how to do it. And then the mods came and took it right down. And they were like, you can't do it like that. You have to, there's a process. And I didn't know that. You have to become an official source before you can actually advertise stuff. And it's an arduous process.

I was like I had to take a whole lot of steps. I had to make my own website. I don't know anything about how to do that. So I had to get help. Right. And there was just a lot of steps I had to take. But eventually I, step by step, I did all the, all the things they wanted me to do. And I got this official, what they call a source tag.

When you become a source on there, there's still a thousand other sources. So how do I stick out? And one thing about, about steroid, is it doesn't happen so much anymore because testosterone is now very easy to obtain. Right. Back in the early 2000s, mid-2000s, it was very difficult to obtain. And there was a lot of fakes. There was a huge fake market. Like most of the stuff you bought was fake because everybody wanted this stuff and it was hard to get.

All the bodybuilding forums, the focus was on how do I get real stuff? How do I tell fake stuff? And everybody was really, like bodybuilders would be, if you were a new person that they didn't have branded, that they didn't know. Right. and you tried to sell them steroids, they would get vehement. They would get very angry just for even trying. I don't know who you are and you're going to try to sell me. Just because everybody was terrified of getting fakes

and that a lot of people had gotten fakes before, right? So that's what I dealt with. When I first try to put my, you know, tell people, hey, come by from me that people are mad. They don't know you. They don't know me. And they're angry. And I had to fight through that. So, you know, one of the ways that I did it is, and I was reticent to do this in retrospect,

I shouldn't have been, but I just get my product out there. So I picked a few guys that in this community that were well respected, and I sent them some free stuff. And I said, review this when you get it and try it and that you see that it's good. Right. And that was the smartest thing I did because that just made the whole thing take off. This episode is brought to you by Activia. You might already be eating yogurt, but not all yogurts are created equal.

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Eventually, these guys take this stuff, they come back to say, you know, I was on this site and just nothing was happening. And then one day, boom, I get these emails. And then I'm like, what happened? Why do I suddenly have like three orders? Right.

And then I went and found it. This guy did. He got my stuff. He started to see, he goes, this stuff is great. Go here. You know, this is good stuff. So I got the first three orders, right? And the total was like a little, like, $11 or $1,200.

But I've never made that much in my life. So I get three orders. They actually send me the money. At the time, it was just Western Union. Right. And I haven't had it sent it to my name. that's how, that's how amateur it was. Just send right to me and my name and I'll send you the stuff.

And when I picked up that money, I'd never made that much in one day. It was like a huge dope. I felt high like I was in, like I was on Molly. Right. I'm just like, like I made like, I don't know, it was probably like $700 in one day. And I'd never made that before. And I was just, I just remember being like. Well, because you're saying $700 because you had to buy.

Yeah. Your product. Right, I had to buy the product. So, yeah, it was like I got $1,000, but my profit was like $7,000. But I had never made that much in one day before. So I was like, hi. And I was just like, just warm feeling. Like, I was on Molly.

I felt like Molly. It was crazy. And I just remember that. And then like, and then I'm kind of hooked, right? I'm like, okay. Do more and more orders start coming in? Or do you have to go get more, you're sending out more samples to people? I didn't have to.

this is what happened. So at this point, now, what I want to highlight here is I was, at this time, I had addiction issues when I was younger. So I had, I got two DWIs in like four months of each other, and the second one was a felony. Okay. So even though I went to college for biochemistry, I have a degree, I can't get a job. Right. Because I have a felony, a low-level DWI. So I tried everywhere to get a job. The best job I could get was just a lab tech. at an emergency room. I made $9 an hour. I made $270 a week. I didn't make much more from, because as you stated, right, I make an extra $100 like every, you know, or, you know, extra a couple hundred bucks every three months. Right. So it wasn't a lot. I couldn't afford

to survive. The only reason I could afford, I wasn't homeless is because I lived my grandmother. Right. So I made $270 a week. And that's also why I was just like, so when I got that first thousand dollars you know and I was just like wow I instituted some relatively simple business good business practices steroid dealers are not known to be masters of a business administration right so they did things the wrong way they were terrible at customer service they were at this time the amazon model of shipping had not gotten to the steroid dealers so they were shipping snail mail it was taking two weeks even domestically for everybody to get their package and I just came in and and instituted a few simple things. A, I'm just going to use priority shipping. At the time,

it was only like six bucks. Right. I was like, why wouldn't I do that? And I just gave free shipping. I just used Amazon's model. I'm going to ship it as fast as I can. I'm going to pay for their shipping, free shipping. Good customer service. I took care of everybody and my knowledge. Like, I really coached people on how to do this properly, right? When, especially the shipping, it seems simple, but nobody else was doing this at the time, especially when people started posting on this site. I got my order in two days. I got my order in three. days. People are like, who's getting your order that? Right. And it just

flooded. Flooded. And then when people started asking questions and I'm intelligently answering these things on the forums, right? It just flooded. Like, this guy knows what he's doing. He can help me through like, you know, because I'm having some side effects, right? And nobody else can coach these guys through the side effects. But I could. So it just flooded. So I mean, it just blew up. I was making, again,

$270 a week. I was hoping when I started this, hoping that I could make an extra $200 or $300 extra dollars a week. Right. Because that would make me a little more comfortable, right? At the time, $600 a week was livable. Right. At that time, right?

So I was like, if I could do that, it would be perfect. I thought that was overzealous because how am I going to find enough clients to make two or three hundred extra dollars a week? It's like, that's a decent amount of clients. How are we going to do that? Power of the internet, right? Right. Within six months, I was bringing in $21,000 a week. You still live in grandmas?

Did you tell grandma? I bought the house. Okay. Grandma, you're going to need to pay me rent. I bought that. And we're switching rooms. I get the big room. You're in the basement.

Yeah, I ended up buying the house in that house and five more. So then it went up 30,000. That was just within the first six months. Then 30,000. And 50,000. Then by the end, the run went for a little over five years. By the end, we're doing, I was doing 100,000 a week on average. There was a few weeks, like when another big supplier would go down.

Like they got, you know, they got, they got busted. Right. Everybody would flood to me. There was a few weeks where I made $500,000 because it was just that much of a flood. And it was crazy. And it just got crazy. that's when you decided to start sending people to take out his competition. That was where I was lacking.

We were actually all, like, I mean, all the dealers knew each other. Not personally, like we never met each other, but like we were a cordial with each other. Yeah, no one. Nobody expects you. Get a couple of Mexicans to scoop them up, throw them in the trunk of a car, driving around a little bit, soften them up. Todd, you're not in the business anymore. It wasn't that cut through.

I didn't need to be. So, but like, so some of the, the interesting parts, like, when the first time, this was about three months in probably, I had $100,000 cash in my hand. And I never dreamed I would hold $100,000 cash, right? So I got scared. This was like three months in. I got scared. And I'm just like, this got too big. I'm going to get caught.

Like, this is crazy. I didn't, I didn't know it was going to blow up like this. So I actually made a plan to stop. And I was like, okay, I'm going to fill all the rest of the orders, and I'm going to tell everybody I'm done. I'm not taking new orders, you know, because I'm not going to, the money, people have already given me money. You know, I'm not a thief.

I'm going to never going to just take it and run. So I wanted to fill all those orders, tell everybody I'm done. I can't take any more. And I'm just going to stop because this is crazy. And I've never been prone to anxiety attacks, but if I ever had one, it was at this time. I remember sitting on my bed with the money all around me. I got my head in my hands, and I'm just like, I'm just like, this is, you know, just got too big.

And then I started, what I started to think about was, there's a couple things. One was, I got to go to all, at the time, I probably had 1,000 clients. By the end, I had like 20,000, but at this time, I probably, maybe a thousand, maybe a little less. I started thinking, because I get, I got emails every single day. I still do to this day. People thanking me. They thank me for making them a better supporter. of their family, a better wife or husband to their spouse, and a better father or mother to their

children, because that's what this does for you. It gets you the energy, the confidence, the ambition to do better in your life, and, you know, the neurology to feel better about life. And that translates to how you are with your family, how you are with your friends, how you are just in life. So I got emails every single day of people thinking me. Now I have to go tell you. these people, hey, I can't help you dramatically improve your quality of life anymore because I'm having a little bit of anxiety right now. I just couldn't do that. So I started with like, I just can't do that. How am I going to go tell all these people that? And then like all these, then you know what happened? Like all these memes started going through my, through my head.

You know when you're like going through like Facebook or Instagram and you see these memes about taking risks like an ego flying like taking risks you never, you know, you never like all this. Like it's just all of these that I've seen just start going through my head. And I'm like, well, this is, this is risky. And I, if I want success, I got to take risks, right? Like, that's what all the memes told me. So I'm just like, fuck this. I can do this.

And I just put my head down. I never thought about it again. Never thought about quitting again. And I just made it bigger and bigger and bigger. I had to hire people. I had quite a, quite an operation. I had to hire people. I hired people in compartmentalized fashion.

There's a couple things I did. One was I had to spread it throughout the United States, right? If we were all in one spot and the local cops get wind that something's going on because somebody talked, they could come bust it and the whole thing's done right there, right? It was like Bozac continually mailing, in this little town, he keeps going into the UPS store mailing and stuff to Venezuela, to Canada, to Ukraine, to, he's mail instead, and he's covered in tattoos, and the guy's just like, what are you mailing? Like, you're in here every other day, mail in, like, three packages.

They're all going other places. Like, that's odd. Like, you know what I'm saying? The guy who's taking your order eventually will be like, no, something's not right here. Like, I've been doing this for 10 years. I never, and you're covered in tattoos? Yeah. I feel like I should make a phone call.

That's exactly how he got busted. It's the same thing. If these guys are all in one area and all of these are coming out of this one area, then eventually the police. It just looks fishing. Even if the FBI or somebody gets wind, then they'll put together a task force and say, okay, well, let's just figure out where these people are, what they're doing. I mean, even the local cop, like a local cop could just get, just like you said.

And they could just go investigate. And then if they catch wind, the whole thing's done. Yeah. There was a guy that his whole operation got busted just because of the whole. local, some, a local cop was like, I went to school with this guy. He's an idiot. Yeah. He's got two Ferraris now.

Something's wrong. And that was it. They just went and told the FBI. I don't know what's happening. I don't know what he's doing, but something's up. And they were like, we'll look into it. This isn't a freaking two Ferrari kind of. This is not a two Ferrari guy.

So that's exactly what I could foresee. Right. So I said, I have to spread. this throughout the United States. I'm doing two things that way. One is the other thing I did was compartmentalize it. So now each person has one job and they don't know the other people. I have a guy in this state, he's a shipper. He doesn't know anybody else in the operation. If he gets busted, he can't snitch if he wants to. Right. And I have a chemist over here that's doing that. I didn't tell you how I started making my own. At this point, I was just buying it

and reselling it. But I'll get to that in a second. But I have a chemist over here. I have more shippers, I had five shippers, had five chemists, and I had an army of money collectors. Because believe it or not, collecting millions and millions of dollars a year, and honestly, it's very difficult. Yeah. That's a lot of Western unions, right? Yeah, but then I had to get other methods, though. I had to do other things because Western Union, they only let you send, each person send like 20 grand a year. Yeah.

Before they flag it. And then I got it, you know, so it was like, I had to come up with other ways to do it. So it was compartmentalized. This means that, again, if somebody gets busted, they can't snitch if they want to, and the operation can continue if one little part gets busted. The second thing it did is that now it would have to be federal. Like if local authorities got wind of one operation,

they could go, they don't have any jurisdiction to go bust the rest of it. So they can't go out of the state. So that's why spreading it and making sure I have it throughout the country in multiple states was important. So it would have to be federal. It's a little bit more difficult for them to put it all together. Right. So that was the idea.

That was the plan. It worked. It was a good, in theory. In theory. So let me tell you about making my own products. At this time, I was still reselling. So the Chinese supplier that I had,

and I kept talking to them down on prices, because my volume kept going up. So now I've got unheard of prices, right? He is, so also what he did is there was, again, remember I said that steroid dealers need a certain brand because they're worried about those fakes. So there's only certain brands of steroids that people will accept. And if you have anything outside that brand, people are like, no, there's no, I'm not taking anything that doesn't look like what I know.

It's different nowadays because UGLs, there isn't really fakes anymore because it's so easy just to get the real thing. Right. It's like there's no reason to fake it. And they have all these boards on the internet. And if, and it's easy to go see that. If you get provided fake, everybody will talk shit. And then you'll go down and nobody will buy your shit in. So it's just like, it just doesn't even make sense to do fakes.

It's not really a thing anymore. But it was in the beginning. So they wanted name brand. My, the, there was a one name. name brand called British Dragon, right? And everybody knew British Dragon, everybody liked British Dragon. British Dragon, the real company, went defunct in 2008. And I was doing this around 2010, 11, 12. The, my Chinese supplier, once they went defunct, just started slapping British Dragon labels on his. Right, because there's nobody to complain. Right. And just calling it British

Dragon. Now, some of the, the well-versed people knew this was happening. Right. But the new stuff was good and so was the old stuff. So it didn't matter what British Dragon you had. It was all good. Right. So nobody really said anything. And other people didn't, the people who didn't know didn't matter. It didn't matter. It was all good stuff. Right. So I got lucky by, I was when this guy just started doing that. And now I have a name brand thing that everybody loves. That's quality stuff. It's good. And it's just, it's just running rampant. And I'm just, that's, I was just making so much money. There was a couple months where this guy just, disappeared.

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Whatever. And I'm like, if this guy disappears, I got a my eggs in one basket. I'm done. I got to build a redundancy here. I have to have to have something backup. So I start thinking about other brands, right?

And all the other brands were so much more expensive. Anything outside of this guy, this one guy that I had really good connections with. It was just more expensive. I'd have to raise my prices. And my thing was I was like the best cost. That was one of the things that was bringing, one of the things that was bringing everybody to me. I was one of the lower costs. So I was like, I didn't want to do that.

So one of my local people I knew made his own stuff. He learned the recipe on how to make it himself. Other people had told me this guy was doing that. And they were like, it looked fishy because he just didn't have a label. It looked unprofessional because there's no label on it. He just gave him this vial with a cork. With stuff. It didn't have a cork, but it didn't.

did have the top, but it was just unlabeled. Yeah. And he just wrote like test out, right? And it was just like, and people were like, it looked fishy, but you know what? It was really good. Yeah, it looks like this guy made it in a lab in his fair room, which he did. Which he did. But it would have looked like it came out of a real manufacturing plan if he just had a professional lab.

If he just had it professionalized. Exactly. Okay. So I'm like, okay, this guy knows how to do it. And apparently from what I hear, he does it well. He just doesn't have a professionalized. So he can't go anywhere with it. Yeah.

Let me partner with this guy, have him make all this stuff. I'll professionalize it. I'll get it labeled and make it look good. And then we'll have redundancy. Did you have somebody to kidnap them, put him in a, in a basement somewhere and chain mop? I didn't have to. I don't know. I wouldn't have to.

But I didn't have to. That's not Colby's model. Colby's model is. So I grab him, grab him. Put him in a warehouse. Zip tie. I say you're going to do this. Here's your new lab, Todd.

So you go and you have a conversation. I actually grabbed a bunch of the money that I, the Western unions I had collected, because I wanted to show him like, look, I'm not kidding. Look at this. And then I said, hey, let's go out, drink in there or whatever. And then we had some drinks and I just kind of broached this thing,

because he doesn't know what I was doing. Like I had done a good job of keeping my mouth shut because I knew the local game was going, the local game or local talk was going to get me, that was probably the most dangerous thing I was facing at the time. So I just made sure I didn't say anything and I didn't even sell my stuff locally anymore.

Right. Well, you're still being mailed anyway. It's all being mailed and I didn't want people to start talking like all this guy's got stuff because again, the local game. So I stopped the local game. I just didn't do it anymore. You set up a flower shop and people thought you sold flowers. Yeah, I sell these flowers.

All the flowers are wilted. Who delivered flowers My girlfriend I have a guy So all right So I set it up And you know I just started explaining to him

What was going on And like the amount of money that was coming in And then I showed him the money And he just sat there with his mouth open He just couldn't believe what he was hearing Like the volume that was happening And the things that were And he was just like

And I was like okay And I offered him more money He was ever going to make He was going to do well. So he was just like, okay, let's do this. So from then, we started making our own. Now, when we made our own, again, remember the brand name, this stuff is, nobody knows this brand. And I came up with the brand.

I called it Matrix Labs. You can still look that up today. Matrix Labs steroids and all my reviews of this stuff came out. We made it a little strong on purpose, like a little strong on purpose just so it would get a good name. Yeah. But it's not going to hurt you. not like, like when they overdose stuff,

you want to kill somebody so that everybody wants. That's not, it's not like that would stir it. It's just, so you put a little, it's just a little bit of, it's, it's,

if you just, you know, make it a little stronger than people are like, oh, wow, this is really potent. It doesn't hurt you like, like those drugs.

So it's, it wasn't dangerous. But, um, we just made it strong on purpose. And then, and so, and then I put it on my list, this Matrix Labs next to my British Dragon.

And I thought it would take a long time. for people to come over because they know the British dragon they don't know this and I just I was like I don't know if it will ever sell that well but and I priced it a little under the British dragon and oh by the way it's it's a I don't know a fourth a fifth of the cost to make it yourself right then it is even for this really good price British dragon stuff so our our profit I could price it lower and our profit margins are way higher so it was just win-win I didn't think people were going to go over, but just because of the, again, the brand thing.

It turns out I was wrong. Everybody immediately went right to the Matrix Labs. And it turns out it was because it wasn't, I was the brand. Right. Anything that I had, people trusted me. I was, you know, talking a lot on the website, showing people, they trusted me. So anything I put in front of them, rightfully so, because I tested all these products too. I had like a rigorous testing system.

And nobody else in the industry did. Like at the time, there was no place that you could send a lab. Now there's labs. You actually send it to a lab. They do a mass spectrometry. They tell you how pure the stuff is and if it has any other particles in it. At this time, there was none of that. So I actually tested using crowdsourcing.

I used my audience. I said, hey, I gave people an extra vial. And I said, you know, this is a new batch that we're testing. Take this, get a blood test three days later. and send me the blood test. I want to see how high it gets your testosterone level. And I did that with hundreds of people, hundreds of batches. We were the only ones doing any kind of testing at the time.

So there was a likely, and then I would narrow down. When you start to become big, China, all these Chinese powder sources just, they want your business. Because you're spending so much money. So I would just take samples from them all. And I just, and then I would test all these samples. So we were the only ones doing testing at the the time. So it's very likely that we had the most potent, pure stuff in the world at the time.

We're the only ones to do it because we had stuff from all over. And I got to whittle it down to the three best. So I had these three suppliers that were consistently the best. So that helped. And everybody was talking about how potent and fire and you can see all the reviews. Are you still using the dragon guy? Or are you reading him out? So get this. Like I didn't expected to happen everybody immediately just started using the matrix labs right and i didn't again then that's what i learned oh my god i'm the brand it's not the name on the bottle not i'm gonna i'm telling you a month maybe two at the most three months later this guy disappears for good right right when i made that change like it was just fortunate like had that happened even six months

earlier i would have been done because i didn't have this plan yet right it was just crazy fortune and so the british dragon disappears it didn't matter Everybody was buying the Matrix Labs. And everyone was talking about the Matrix Labs all over the boards. Even on other bodybuilding sites, people were, it was just, that was like the talk. Have you tried this Matrix Lab stuff? Yeah, stuff is fire. Is, are any people getting busted that you know of?

No, the government doesn't go after the end users. Right. They only come after the manufacturers. They don't care about it. It's a schedule three. So it's not like, it's not like, you know, if you catch somebody with, you know, with personal use, it's just a low level crime that they won't even do jail time. It's not.

Right. It's like they don't. But I'm just saying like the guys you have, you have the shippers, you have these, these, or any of those guys getting those? Yeah. I thought you meant the users. Or any other sellers on the side to the forms? Yeah.

Yeah. Anybody, is it, you're ever getting a phone call or an email from saying, hey, do you hear about Johnny? You know, Johnny just got popped. They just raided his house and anything like that happened where you were like, oh, I'm getting nervous. It really didn't happen with anybody I knew. Once in a while, one of the other sources that was near the top would go down, but it didn't happen very often. And that's when they would rush to me, but that was concerning. Like you go, well, what happened this guy?

And you'd look into his case. What did he do wrong? Right. But it didn't happen very often. Like prior to this, there wasn't any task force. there's there's task force that go after going there's task forces that go after cocaine there was no task forces that went after steroids right until operation cyber juice operations cyber juice operation cyber juice very creative with the and that's what i got caught up

what i got swept up in but there wasn't anything before that until operation cyber juice and there hasn't been one since one of the one there's a few things that went wrong but but nothing's super serious. Let me tell you about the first serious thing that went wrong. And I have to tell you this story to tell you how it all ended, too. So, remember, I have everything compartmentalized. Right. I had a personal assistant because I was, I was just working all the time. And so I had a personal assistant. And she was taking care of just like, you know, whatever, whatever I needed to take care of. I had like, yeah, whatever I needed to take care of. And she started to catch wind of something else going on. Like, you know, obviously I didn't, I didn't tell anybody else what I did.

But being my personal assistant, there's just too many things she started put together. Yeah. It's difficult to, it's difficult to keep somebody. If you're doing something illegal, it's difficult to keep people that are around you all the time from figuring out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She just put it together.

Yeah. So she actually asked for, she was, she started to get an idea of what some of those, those people made. And she says, I want to make that morning. I want to do that. And, you know, she was good at what she did. And I was like, I didn't want to hold her back. And I had one shipper that was addicted to eterol. He would be up for three days straight and then sleep and then just pass out for the three days straight and not send any orders.

And plus the stuff was frying his brain. Like his job was, I sent, I sent the order with the address, stuff this shit in this box and put that adjunct. and put that address on it and put it in the fucking mail. And he couldn't do it. He couldn't. Freaking Adderall of Brain. Just couldn't do it. So I needed another shipper anyway, someone who wasn't addicted to Adderall.

And that was part of my problem, right? It's like I couldn't go on, you know, Monster.com or whatever and take resumes and do this. I had to work with the people who were willing to get themselves into a conspiracy. Yeah. A major league of fun. And so it was. Limpickens. So I said, okay, I'll let you become a shipper and I'll teach how to do it. Now, so I, you know, I taught her how to do it and she did a good job. She's much better than the Adderall

head. The problem was that she had picked up too much being my personal assistant. She had just seen other aspects that she was able to put things together. So it wasn't compartmentalized with her anymore. She's got to die. I'm sorry. So the way I had is I had chemists making in one state.

They'd ship, they'd put all the product in a box we'd bubble tape it, bubble wrap it, really secure, and ship it to a shipper in another state. Right. And one of the mistakes I made that way they've got 400 vials

and when you get a shipment in for three vials, they just, they have it there. You don't have to mail it. You don't have to piece mail. They already have a supply. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. So one of the mistakes I made is sitting it right to the shipper, because the shipper has a compromised house. They have stuff in their house. So I sent it right to the shipper. One of these packages, it was actually a series of three packages, but one of the packages, one of the vials broke and leaked through the package. Now, to do that, we, I mean, we vacuum sealed it.

They must have just thrown this package around. Oh, yeah, but they're fucking assholes. You know, fucking Amazon, their fucking freaks. It must have been bad. So, anyways, it leaked through. Now the post office is allowed to open it to make sure it's nothing hazardous. So they open it, they see $300,000 with a steroids, and they call the DEA. Now, the DEA goes to the house.

Now, that's the mistake I made. That house had stuff in it. Now, they called her and told her, we're going to open this package because it's leaking. And she was like, no, no, I'll come get it. And they said, no, we're opening it. And so then we had some time to get some of the stuff out of her house. I sent somebody else there. I lived, this was in New York.

I lived in Jersey at the time. I eventually went and I bought, I had a pet house overlooking Manhattan. Right. And so I lived on the Jersey side, in the greater New York City. It was overlooking Manhattan, but it was on the Hudson River or on the Jersey side. So I couldn't get there, right? It was, but I sent somebody else there. And those two cleaned out most of the house, but there was still a little bit there by the time the DEA got there.

They get there, they find a little bit of stuff. So both of those two got low-level possession felonies, right? You know how they do it, right? They told both of these two that they're going to spend 10 years in jail and they're going to indict their whole family and everything. Brian. So the girl just blew it all in. I have his address. I have the new pen.

The girl blew it all in because they terrified her. The guy actually just didn't say anything. And I got him a lawyer. And nobody was going to do any jail time. They just got these low-level felonies. They're what they're what you call. We call them ACDC in New York. It's a conditional discharge.

Right. If you are good for six months, it actually just goes off your record. Nobody was going to spend a day in jail. That was going to be it. But they interrogated her. This spring, denim gets a softer, lighter update. Introducing Old Navy's drapey denim wide leg. A new fit that moves with you.

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They were released. Nobody spent a day in jail. And they were both released. And I got him a lawyer because he shut up. Picked her up. And, um, and. Brought her the warehouse. Had to talking with her.

I didn't. I actually, I just had a guy. You had a guy? No. I didn't, I didn't have a guy. A couple of Mexican guys. The speed bumps. When you go over the speed bumps.

and you're in the trunk. That's what really, that's what really softens about. You got to soften them up a couple hours, bring them back to the warehouse, a little duct tape, the share, before you even have a conversation. Before we even have a conversation, you're driving around for a little bit. By that point there. You've been doing these crime podcasts for way too long. By that point, they're much more susceptible to it.

You're going to do well in this new podcast, this murder, this murder podcast. Listen, it's so bad. The things that, listen, Johnny Mitchell, he has problems. The stuff that he says is like, oh, come on. I can't, please don't get me canceled. Please, I mean, it's not really a thing anymore, but I feel like Johnny Mitchell will bring it back. It's so bad. When we describe the guy in Canada, the Ken and Barbie, do you have you done that one yet?

Yeah, I've listened to it. Listen, like at one point, I'm like, you know, well, he was like how'd they put it together that was the same guy and i was like well he was you know because it was one guy he was he was a serial and uh and johnny mitchell sitting there he's like well how'd they put it together and i went because he was very rude derogatory towards of women when he was when he was you know assaulting him and he's like like what do you mean i was like like you know he was like you know he was like like what i go like he'd like fucking you love this cock and you fucking, oh, this is the best.

Like, tell me, you fucking whore. Tell me you love it, you fucking whore. I'm like, you know, and he looked at me, he's like, that doesn't make you a serial color, does it? He's like, I mean, who hasn't? Like, come on. And I'm like, we please stop it. He just keeps on.

He's like, I mean, like, that's not even that bad, really. I said that yesterday. Yeah, he's like, what are you talking about? Like, and I'm like, no, that's about it. He's like, but listen, the whole time he's doing shit. You know,

he's a professional comedian. Yeah. It's fucking horrible, bro. I'm just like, fuck, bro, we're trying to get more female subscribers.

Yeah. You know, and he keeps turning to the, turning to the camera going, ladies, stay with me. Stay with me. That's funny.

Oh, shit. But anyway, yeah. So, okay, so what happened? So you just left her alone?

You didn't call her and have a conversation. No, no. No? No. Like the, the Lord, because I got a,

lawyer and I got a lawyer for the other guy and they were just telling us no don't talk to her you didn't say the guy we were being fed information from his lawyer right and he was saying you know we were just kind of being a prize so we quit at that time right but I stopped the whole operation we quit at that time um now you're just hanging out in the penthouse yeah yeah yeah it was actually terrible because I don't know you know your your whole passion your whole the whole thing that was like all this dopamine for you. It was just gone suddenly. So it was actually terrible.

What did people think you were doing for a living? That is the weird question. Is like my story, my at first, when I worked in the emergency room, right? I used to buy pizzas for the whole emergency room. And the price was more than I made in a week. Right.

So, and nobody put that together. Like, he just spent more than his entire paycheck on pizzas, for all the doctors and nurses. And, and like, and so I told, I started telling people that I had a personal training business. I didn't know what this. Yeah, yeah. And then I had some nurses being, I want to be trained.

And I'm like, I don't do that. What are you talking about? Oh, shit. So now I got to fucking go hire a trainer. I really did to start a personal training business. This is terrible. No, no, I am a personal trainer. I train Andrew Tate.

Andrew Tate's personal trainer. That's what you should have said. I'm so, and I didn't say, I don't do it for little people. I do it for, I have a bunch of big clients. Yeah.

I didn't even, you need me. Yeah. You need me to come up with the, I would have had the, the flower shop storefront, the whole thing. I'd had a guy selling flowers.

He probably might have turned a business. I'd turn that into, my front is actually making money. So. I didn't. We would have been a good team. Yeah. So the lawyer that I paid for for this guy is feeding this information.

And he's saying it doesn't look like the feds are going to pick this up. It wasn't quite big enough for them. So it's just going to die here. Like both of these two got felonies and that's it. They don't have any jurisdiction to come get you, Ryan, because you're in a different state, even though she said in my name. But they didn't have any proof. They couldn't come get me.

It was just like, that's it. So now the, I, I talked to the rest of the guys, they don't have any work either. And they're just like, okay, so if that's it, then let's get going. We'll just stay out of New York. And everybody's like, let's get, let's start back up. I'll just stay out of New York. No problem.

We have operation in many, many other states. Like, okay, is that what everybody wants to do? Okay, let's get going again. So we started back up and it got bigger and better. And that was it. I didn't hear anything about it. Didn't think much about it. That guy ended up pleading guilty?

gets a felony that's it they just yeah he just got a conditional discharge for that and after six months it was just gone and he was still oh okay he was he was one of my chemists and he was still making stuff right he was still working after that um he yeah and he even moved out of new york um it turns out that the feds did pick that up it took them a while but they did pick it up right and it took them like two over two more two more two more years years to catch us right they had the you know they did two years of investigation and surveillance um so i guess they can go there right so i'm one morning i'm in my penthouse i just got back from Vegas i used to go on these like extravagant Vegas i just take

everybody with me and i would like i would i would spend like 60 grand on a weekend just on booze all right Right. Like, I would, like, oh, man, I spent 60 grand this week. And people are like, oh, no, did you gamble? How, what game were you playing? I'm like, nothing. That was at all, that was all VIP sections. And it was all on alcohol. Like, so I just get a cabana at a pool party. And then I'd get, like, the owner's table, like a $16,000 table at night. And we just do that, like Friday, or Thursday, Friday, Saturday. So I got back from Vegas and I was kind of hurting, right? So I was just kind of laying in bed. And one of the mornings, I heard at five in the morning, I heard this pound down the door, bomb, bomb, bomb. And my dogs start barking. My girlfriend at the time gets up.

And I'm like, I don't even think it's real. I'm like, was that real? Did I really hear something? And I'm slowly kind of getting up. The dogs are out there barking. I'm slowly like putting a shirt on. And I slowly walk out there. And I hear it again.

Pump, pump, pump. And I look out there. And my girlfriend at the time is coming back from the door. And she's like, I can't see out the peephole. Somebody must have their finger over it. And I just got mad. I'm just like, I'm going to go show this person. You don't pound up my door at 5 in the morning.

I'm like, you're about to see something. I'm booked for that door. And I'm like, and I grab it and I just rip it open. And there's like 15D agents with guns pointed at my head. And so the guy in front, he's just like sitting there. He goes, okay, and he puts his hand on the door like that. And he just kind of goes, okay, okay. And that okay was kind of tell the people behind him, because I'm not, I don't have any guns.

He's like, okay, it all looks clear. And then he's also to me like, okay, we got you. And then this guy tells me who he is. He was the postal inspector who got that first, that package. And he was just a postal inspector. He's not an agent. but they do have a lot of... They're basically like FBI agents.

Yeah. They've got guns and everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's embarrassing to be arrested by a post-war agent, but it still doesn't go over well in prison, but they're like, the postman arrested you? Yeah, he had guns.

He had a gun. It's a real thing, really? He had 15 D-A agents behind him, too. But he was like, and he was like bragging. Like, I'm the one who pushed to get this case picked up. I'm the one who found that package, that first package, two years ago. I'm just like, congratulations.

Yeah. So, interesting, the cops come in, they, they handcuffed both of us, put us on a chair, and they're like, do you know why we're here? I'm like, I have no idea why you're here. I knew why they were there. Right. And for some reason, I took solace in us, the cops that were there just searching through all this stuff, they'd stop and they go, this is a beautiful apartment. It was like Florida sitting windows overlooking Manhattan, like you could see the Empire stabling like everything right there. I was like, oh, thanks. I know for some reason I took a little solace.

You're also thinking knowing that half the cops were on steroids are you're also thinking, yeah. Listen, I don't think this is going to be as big of a deal as you guys think. Yeah. Look at that guy. I yeah. So, but that was I didn't spend the day and I didn't go to jail that night like you know how I got like I just went there and got bonded and then I got out and then the worst thing was it took two years to go through all all the proceedings and I don't know exactly what I'm going to get sentenced I don't know exactly what's going to happen I couldn't get a job because I'm indicted right I know I'm going to prison I just don't know how long and it was just the worst time sees your bank account yeah

they see my bank accounts I was a I was a very bad criminal I've been picked on this over and over in prison I had I had bank accounts in my name, and all of my houses were in my name. So I had five houses. They're all in my name. Are they still in your name or in the Fed's name now? They're in the federal government's name. No, yeah.

So they seized everything, and I didn't have much of anything left. It was a bad criminal. I got picked on a lot about that in prison. You didn't bury anything? No, I didn't bury anything. No, it was the same way. I didn't think I'd get caught. I wasn't doing this because I thought I was going to get caught.

someday. I mean, at least if you grew up in the hood, you know, going to prison's part of it. So they'll squirrel away some money somewhere. It's like if I, I didn't think that God was going to be going to prison. Yeah. So. Yeah. It just like, there was a part of me that when this, I mean, I'm making so much money. And I had a brand new Jaguar. I had a penthouse overlooking Manhattan. Like, I had almost unlimited funds. Like, and like, I just knew, like, I don't, like, how do I keep this up? Like, to be honest, moving to the New York City area, the greater New York City area, like, it's easier to hide because there's a lot of, there's not of money there. You don't stick out. I didn't stick out as much there. But, like, in Binghamton, like, I,

I had to hide it. Like, I didn't, I couldn't get a new car there. Okay. But a part of me, like, how can this go on forever? Like, this is, this is crazy. And like, like, when you, so you can kind of tie that with what, what would make somebody do this? Like, embark on a, one of these empires to set up one of these empires and just keep going with it. Like, I talked about this with Mike Isretel when I was on his. And, you know, he says, I never thought, he goes, I took some of that, but I never thought about selling it. And I was like, well, yeah, Mike, you look at your trajectory.

You were on your way to a PhD. You were in school, doing well, going to obtain a PhD. You had a bright future. I had a felony on my record. I couldn't get a job for shit, which raises my risk tolerance. So, like, I like to get into the psyche about what makes people start empires, like, these things where you almost know, like, how can this last? Like, how can it keep going? Like, a part of me knew, like, this is going to end sometime, and it's probably not going to end well.

Like I was I was actually doing things to try to transition out of it. So I had five houses. I was going to start building more real estate. I actually started a protein supplement company too. And the hope was eventually I could stop doing this and just do the do the other businesses. Right. And that's the hope. I mean, I don't know.

It's hard. I don't know how successful that would have been. But what was your lawyer telling you after you got arrested? Is he telling you it's not a big deal or is he telling you, you're fucking due it? years. What was the charge? It was conspiracy to possess and distribute anti-bolic steroids. And I got a

Monday laundering charge too, which is... Yeah, I was thinking you're going to definitely getting a money laundering charge. That's the, that's the serious one. So here's the, and you're right, because that extended my maximum time to 20 years. The steroids charge is only 10-year match. Yeah. 20 year with Monday lender. They also added a, they were able to add two and a half years on to my sentence because of the money laundering. Now the money laundering from United States versus

Santos, you're not supposed to be able to attach a money laundering charge to a drug business just for using your money. Right. Right. So it's a Supreme Court case. And the second circuit is the only circuit that still does it. And I was in the second circuit. If I was in a different circuit, I would only got four years. Instead, I got sentenced to seven, six and a 78 months, six and a half years. It's crazy. And I took that to the Supreme Court while I was in prison, too. And what they felt they decided not to hear it?

Yeah, you know how it goes. Yeah, they don't, they just. Yeah, people think, people think, oh, well, they're taking it to Supreme Court. Right. The Supreme Court can look at the case and go, yeah, we're not going to, we're not going to hear this. Yeah. And to what does that mean? That means they're going to stand.

Yes, but there's a Supreme Court case that says they can't do this. I understand. Yeah. And they're saying they're going to go ahead and let you do the talk. It doesn't seem to not fair at all. It doesn't matter how good your case is. Like the, they just rubber stamp deny through the whole process. If you, if you look at some of the Supreme Court cases that did pass, it is almost unconscionable that it had to even get to the Supreme Court.

Right. Like, some of these are so bad. Like, like, what was, what was one of the big ones we were using? God damn it. There was one where they made a math error in the lower court. Right. It was just a math error. And all the people were like, oh, yeah, that was a, we added that stuff wrong.

And it added like two, over two years of their sentence because they, whoops, the calculator was wrong. That had to go to the Supreme Court. Why couldn't the next appellate court go, oh, to math order. Correct that. Correct. Yeah. Correct that. Because that is the bar.

They were using the standard that says. it has to be shocking to the conscience. And they were like two and a half years isn't shocking to the conscience. We'll tell. Any additional times. You tell me two and a half years in prison isn't shocking to the conscience for a math error.

Right. Like they were just, and the Supreme Court finally did come in and say, you're using the standard wrong. Like you have to fix an error that blame. Yeah. But why did I have to get the, so that's what I mean.

Like they just rubber stamp deny everything, even no matter how obvious it is. And once in a while, a Supreme Court case will get caught. make a correction absolutely insane the um the book the law man by uh who's that he went to he's a duke professor he went for rapping was his oh yeah yeah uh yeah he was on 60 minutes and yeah he was a he was a he was locked up he was yeah he was a bank robber yeah he's and now he's he's he's got a law degree and he's a professor in duke yeah he's in trouble again is he really you got re-arrested for

domestic abuse. Sean Hopwood? Yeah. Yes. That's it. Slaps his wife around. In 2024, Georgetown law professor. Yeah, Georgetown.

He spent 11 years in prison, ex-bank robber now. Georgetown law professional charged with felonies and domestic. Yeah. Yeah. It's too bad, too, because it was such an amazing story to turn around and then he gets out. He's slapping his wife around. Yeah. While he was in prison, so I became the jailhouse lawyer when I was in prison, too, because I was taking my own case.

And then I started helping people around me because I started to understand the law. Right. And then I just worked on the law like four hours a day. It's one of the things I did when I was in there. So I wrote so many motions to the court, habeas corpus petitions, just helping people. And it got me well respected while I was in prison.

It's one of the things I did to be respected while I was in prison. A lot of people think like you go in the prison to get respected, you got to go beat somebody up. And that's actually, that's a terrible way to do it. Yeah, I was going to say the guys that are doing law work, can weigh 120 pounds and and and the other guys are like oh I'm gonna go fucking talk to that motherfucker hey no you're not yeah he's doing Tommy's fucking law work and his and I got a fucking thing for he's gonna fight my divorce that's as soon as this is over you ain't touching

him so how do you get respect be valuable oh yeah that's funny um yeah Pete always Pete started doing a law work because he was just a skinny kid that had no affiliate gang affiliation and he said but I I knew but I knew I was smart And I knew he said, I need to make myself valuable. He said, so he started doing law work. And you just help everybody around you. I just do it for free. I didn't charge anybody.

And everybody liked me. It's a good way to do your prison time. Yeah. And it passes the time, too. Yeah. I was doing it for four hours a day. And I learned a lot about people. I learned how to read statutes.

Like I learned so. But you also learn how fucked up the system is. So Sean Hopwood said this. And I found the same thing. thing to be true because I did so much law work too but Sean Hopwood in his book the law man said that there are that the majority of the people in prison have more time or sentenced to more time than they actually should should have gotten the the prosecutor just throws everything they can at you yeah and then it's your defense counsel's job to come in and sift through it and make sure what sticks

is what should stick and they're terrible they don't have time they don't do that they don't go through your case. My lawyer was, I paid for my lawyer, and he was just terrible. Like, it was bad. He didn't go through any of the information. And he just let the judge send me to more time than he should have without one objection, without any. It was just terrible. Well, the problem is the constitute, what people think, because the constitution says that you have the right to an attorney.

It doesn't say they have to be a competent attorney. You know what I'm saying? And people are like, well, that's a major sense. It does, I understand, but that's, oh, I have a constitutional right to. And you got one. Yeah. You got an attorney. I did 2255s for a person who paid a million dollars for the lawyer.

And it was pathetic. Like they just met, they just cursory understanding of what actually happened in that case. And I could pull things out and was like, wow, they screwed this up bad. And I pulled all the things out and showed it to the guy who paid a million dollars for that lawyer. And I mean,

you can just imagine. And I know a guy that the entire, during the entire process, as lawyer kept saying, well, I'm going to argue this in front of the judge. I'm going to argue in front of the judge. Don't worry. Listen, I know the judge. I play golf with the judge.

I know him. They always say that. Don't worry. That guy paid him like $200,000, $300,000 to plead guilty. And his PSI comes back. It's like 20 years. And he's like, I know that. I know, but don't worry.

This doesn't apply. This doesn't apply. I'm going to argue in front of the judge. Didn't even do an argument where they go to the prosecution or to the public, I'm sorry, to the probation officer that prepared. He's paired the PSI, right? He didn't even try, you know how they'll do objections and try and work it out before it gets in front of the judge.

We're going to do this in front of the judge. I'm good with the judge, I know. Gets in front of the judge, makes a half-assed argument in front of the judge. He gets 20 years and turns around and says, then he's like, we're going to appeal this. We're going to peel this. Never, he's like, afterwards, looking at it,

I realize there were so many times when I was like, well, no, that's not what happened. This is what happened. He's like, oh, yeah, I'm sorry, you're right, you're right. He's like, I realize that he never did anything. He took the 200,000. Yeah. He kept saying in front of the judge, in front of the judge, in front of the judge, got up, made a half-ass fucking argument in front of the judge.

Judge was like, yeah, I disagree. And just every, like four enhancements, five enhancements, all the enhancements, he fucking lost the argument. No, no under, you know, Johnson versus the United States or it didn't have any case law, nothing, just said, Your Honor, this doesn't seem fair. That's ridiculous. I mean, it was like a complete, like, what the fuck are you whining? I can why. You didn't case law, right? Nothing prepared.

And knowing, you understand, we're waiting for the judge because the moment I make these arguments and the judge overrules me, I don't ever have to deal with you again. Yeah. You know, maybe you'll follow 2255, which I already know will get denied. It would get denied anyways. So I just need to make this $200,000 and the least amount of time that I spend looking into your case, the more money I make. Right?

Because if I put a bunch of time into it, I'm eating up the time I can be high. hustling to get more people, you know? That is the typical experience. What you just explained, and this is what people don't understand is that's the experience that you get. And consequently, people are saddled with more enhancements and more charges than they actually should have gotten. Right.

Because their defense counsels are actually ineffective. Yeah. And probably my assumption is about 90% of the people have more time than they should have gotten. 90% throughout the entire prison system. Right. And that's what Sean Hunter. Hopwood said, too. In his book, he said that he found people with decades, decades more time than they

should have gotten. And Sean Hopwood had two sentences argued, and one in front of the Supreme Court that he wrote. And that's why his story was incredible. He ended up with three Supreme Court cases. So, interestingly enough, so I was in Ordersville with Cohen, Michael Cohen, when he was there, He got flown in, but or the helicopters were flying above when he, when he got dropped off. I was there with Mike Sorantino, the situation from Jersey Shore. Not paying his taxes. Yeah. He was good when I worked out together.

You know what was interesting is he, for some reason, they were doing Jersey Shore, old Jersey Shore episodes. On MTV I were there. And he was giving us behind the scenes. He was like, it didn't happen that way. And he was giving us like these behind the scenes things. It was actually really interesting. It was really funny. I don't know.

They happened to be playing these old jersey short. So we were just watching it with them and just being like, why did you do that? He's like, no, I wasn't like that. I never know that guy. They made a shoot that scene twice or three times. That's what he said a lot of it. Oh, yeah. It seems.

Yeah. It's or a lot of it's orchestrated, right? That's what I was here about the... So... Who's a mentor? Who's the mentor? You know what else I was there? So I met...

You know what's was there? The Fire Fest, Billy McFarland. Oh, McFarland. Yeah. Yeah. Not Firefest. It's fire. What was it called?

Fire. F-Y-R-E. It was Fire Fest? Yeah, Fire Festival. Yeah. And then I think you tried to do it again, right? Yeah. He was going to do it, part two, yeah.

No, no, I mean, I think he did a, he did, he. While he was indicted, he ran another fraud. Right, no, I'm saying since he got out, he started another one. Another fraud? No, it was not a fraud. I don't think the second one was a fraud. He did another, another, whatever you call that, when you get a bunch of bands together. Oh, he always wanted to do Fire Fest too and make it, and do it right.

You could do it right. To be honest with you, he almost, he was on the road to having it all. set up. It was just at the end. It crumbled. And instead of postponing it and said and saying, I need more time to put this together, he just tried to launch it and it was too early. Yeah. He figured he'd figure it out a long ago. He'd fix the problems along the way. Yeah. He just ran out of money. He really needed to postpone it. Yeah. I don't know. Anyways. So, so what, so what I got a mentor, right? So who was that? Is that a program or is that a no, no, a guy in there, a guy, a guy in there, a really wealthy guy in there who,

who, you know, just I became friends with. So he ran successful businesses that eventually led to federal prison. Go ahead. So it sounds like the right guy. I hired the wrong guy. So like for instance, right? Like there's, there are plenty of people, especially if you have a big name that shouldn't have gone to prison. Martha Stewart's a great example.

Right. Method Stewart was, was originally accused of what do you call it? Inside trading, right? They didn't, she was never convicted inside her trading because she didn't inside her trade. She was convicted of lying to the feds. Yes. Because when they interrogated her, she got scared and told a couple of things because she was just scared. Yeah. They got it for lying to the feds. That's what she went to prison for. She never, she never was insider trading. So she didn't, she shouldn't have gone the prison. She went for six months. shouldn't have gone she went to prison because she's Martha Stewart her name is Martha Stewart right that's what happened to this guy this guy was very wealthy and and the prosecutor ends up looking good because you prosecute this wealthy guy yeah he gets his name in

the paper that's huge he actually got a got promotion promoted after after his case yeah and the defense counsel even looks good because we defended this guy and look we got him this deal where where you know he only he only had to do like three years and you know his sentence could have been up to this much right the defense counsel works with the prosecutor it all it makes everybody look good except for the guy who had to actually go to prison who never should have gotten in prison right he uh he did you know he did break a regulation that he didn't realize was a regulation but normally if it was a normal person it would have been a civil fine they say hey you broke this regulation here's a fine don't do that again that's how it

works with everybody unless you're very wealthy you've been on TV before, then the prosecutor turns it criminal so that they can get a big name for themselves, right? That's the situation I was doing with a guy who was in that situation. He actually is a very good businessman, a very good guy. Okay. Didn't intend to, didn't, nobody actually any lost any money in his case. It was all potential loss. Right. That's what big fraud cases is our potential loss. And nobody actually lost any money. So anyways, but that's what that's the guy and he's brilliant and we we wrote a business plan together. And when I got out, I executed on that business plan. And it just went for a for a legitimate HRT TRT TRT clinic. And so now I own it's one of the, it's executed

very well. And it's it's growing very one of the fastest growing companies go h4m.com. You use our company. We're growing. We're getting better. We're getting a lot of technology, health tech, and, and so now I, now, so what did my experience get me? Well, so I firsthand, not only did I research and study, but I guided most of these. I had like over 20,000 clients. I guided most of them through the process.

Like that's what I did all day. I worked with the customers. People would ask me questions. I would help them. I saw how different things, I looked at blood work. I saw how different things affected different people. And that's where you really understand that. Everybody's vastly different.

And it's not about a specific protocol. It's about developing a methodology to figure out what yields the best results for each individual. Everybody's different, right? So you see how people react. You make adjustments. You do things that you see. Percentages of populations.

This works for most of the percentage of populations. If that doesn't work, then this thing will work. And you just kind of, it's a game of nuance, right? And adjustments. So, but I learned that through tons of experience in this, in this black market, right? So again, testosterone is stigmatized in the medical community. Doctors don't use it. They're scared of it.

They don't learn about it. Ignorance breeds fear. So they don't learn about it. And they don't have an experience. So I just know how to use this. I have aggregated more empirical data. than just about anybody else in the country because of this unique history that I have with it.

So, you know, one of our things is that we vet the providers that we use. And I just make sure that we share the same vision on how hormone replacement therapy should be done, you know, with long-term health and safety in mind. So we just kind of pick the providers that share my vision and then everything's going really well. What I wanted to highlight here is, is what I learned when I came into the medical community.

So again, the first thing I want to do is explain just how beneficial testosterone is. Testosterone is a foundational metabolic and neurological signal. It's foundationally metabolic because it does build muscle mass. Building muscle mass, it takes a lot of energy to build and maintain muscle mass. Building muscle mass is very, very good for you. What's your name? Dr. Gabriel Lyons made their whole career about how important muscle mass is, especially for females, right? So building that muscle mass increases metabolism.

It gives you a reservoir for glucose, so you reverse insulin sensitivity, you reverse diabetes. This is all what testosterone does. Reverses diabetes. It takes away most of the causes of cardiovascular disease, right? It reduces the risk of cardiovascular disease. There's study after study that show that. it's also a foundational neurologic hormone testosterone increases what we call tyrosine hydroxylase which is the rate-limbing step to create catacolomines dopamine is a catacolamine it's the

rate living step to naturally create dopamine in a natural way right so the intensity of your phasic spikes of dopamine are controlled by testosterone so if you have a higher baseline testosterone, your body builds the inside your brains, the nucleus accumbens, the preoptic area, ventrotagmental area. These areas are where dopamine spikes give us the feelings that we associate with dopamine, excitement, motivation, ambition, energy, sense of well-being, libido. So when certain things happen, your body releases a spike and dopamine in these areas of the brain, and that's when you get horny, or that's when you get, you just, you know, really ambitious, so I want to get this thing done, or I'm really confident, or I just feel good

and I'm on top of the world. When certain things happen, when you win a competition, right, that you get spikes of the opinion. Your testosterone baseline level controls the size of that spike. If you have a high baseline, that spikes will be bigger. You'll be hornier, more excited, more ambitious, more motivated. If you have a low baseline testosterone, those spikes are just tiny, and you hardly feel... Those kind of depression? Yeah, yeah, and then you're depressed, right? You hardly feel excitement.

You hardly feel joy. It's the opposite. You feel depressed, right? Because you don't have enough of that neurotransmitter. Estradial, testosterone converts to estradiol in the male body. Men need estradiol just as much as they need testosterone. Females need testosterone. It's their most dominant sex steroid.

That's another myth among that we've been taught is that testosterone is male hormone, estrogen's a female hormone. females need testosterone just as much as male. It's their most dominant sex steroid. They have 10 times more testosterone than they have estrogen. It's just as important for females. Now, just because we have different amounts doesn't mean it's not just as important for females, right? So testosterone converts to estradiol.

Estudial builds the dendritic spines for dopamine reception. You need estrogenial or you don't even feel the dopamine, right? It builds the receptors. Estudial controls the intensity of phasic spikes of serotonin, just like testosterone builds dopamine. Estradaial builds serotonin. Remember, I said dose response, dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, endorphins. You need a healthy balance of all of these in order to feel, it controls your mood, your emotion, in order to feel your best and feel great mood, great emotion.

Right. Right. You need all of those. The problem is both testosterone and estrogen and estradiol also build receptors for oxytocin. So now we have, you're getting this natural benefit from these neurological signals, foundational neurological signals that build these neurotransmitters. They make you feel good. They give you good mood, good emotion.

The problem with when you go to a doctor and say, hey, I don't, I'm just tired all the time. Right. They give you an SSRI. That's serotonin re-uptake inhibitor. It just gives you some serotonin. All serotonin does is make you feel placated, passive. you accept your current situation, which is zombie-like, right? Dopamine makes you want to change your situation so that it's better so that you enjoy your situation.

So you need that dopaminergic along with serotonin. I need to be motivated to change my situation so that things are better, and then I need to enjoy my situation with serotonin. You need all the neurotransmitters to have the right feel. Just giving somebody an SSRI is just a terrible way to do it. Every single depressive disorder, the frontline treatment should be hormone replacement therapy. If you are depressed, it's the first thing we should look at is that your hormones are not in order, right? If you're having anxiety.

Was that required just the blood test? Yeah, just to see your hormones and then see how low they are and then try hormone replacement therapy first. And if those don't work, then we can try some of the antichens psychotics or the SSRIs or that. that should be secondary to hormones which naturally build the right balance of all your neurotransmitters. So why don't they do that? Because so that, that's exactly right. So the other thing is, let me just go on one more thing. Testosterone controls immunology.

A lot of you and are discussing this before the show. A lot of people's, as you get older, you have cell senescence. Your cells actually start failing. And when they start failing environmental toxins, especially insulin resistance, you get these toxins inside the cells, and then your immune system starts attacking them. They swell up. This is when people say, hey, I have inflammation. You have systemic inflammation. You probably hear that.

What does that mean? It means that your body is actually attacking your own cells. They're swelling up, and then they don't function properly. Every cell in your body has a function for the greater body. It produces a peptide or a protein. that has a function for the greater body. If your cells aren't working properly, then your body is underworked.

And some of the results, depending on what it is, can result in this chronic bone crushing fatigue. So that's a lot of time what it is. Testosterone reduces that inflammation, gets your cells in repair mode, and all your cells start functioning better. That's part of the reason you also get energy

when you take testosterone is because it's turning the inflammation off repairing all yourselves, right? If testosterone is so beneficial, why is it so stigmatized? Putting that aside for now, let's talk about like sciops and how these these different institutions kind of lobby groups, pharmaceutical industry and the government kind of run these siops in order to to kind of control how people think about certain things, right? So first let's talk about the pharmaceutical companies. Mm-hmm.

Right. Pharmaceutical companies, obviously, they have money. They can control whatever they want with the amount of money that they have. Congress. We know it's absolutely proven that Congress, that most of the congressmen take money from pharmaceuticals. Big pharma, yeah. This, you know, obviously, so the, if they kind of do the drug companies bidding,

then they'll get more money. There is just... More election. They get elected. Yeah. They just stay in power. They get... Exactly.

So it's pretty easy to do... To get Congress to do with the drug company is not. So now Congress also controls government institutions like the FDA and DEA. Right. So now Congress can make a rule. They can get DEA to execute and enforce that rule. Right? So let's take...

making testosterone a controlled substance. They can make testosterone controlled substance. Now they can get the DEA to go in and just arrest anybody who's not doing exactly the right thing. When you control a substance, it also makes providers scared. This is illegal. It's an illegal substance. I don't want to use it. Everybody's scared to use it.

The FDA as well. So the FDA peptides, you know, you hear, like, you know, you hear a lot about peptides. Right. So peptides are in a gray category. So what, and recently, Congress put, the FDA put peptides into a different category so that they're not as available. They can't be made in compounding pharmacies.

That's why you have to go to these, almost black, they call them gray market Chinese, because Chinese peptides, because they're not available anywhere else. And the FDA can make a rule like that. Now the DEA can enforce on that rule. They can come in and start arresting people and enforce on that rule, send all these peptide companies, these notices that, hey, if you don't stop this, we're going to come arrest you all. Right.

And so they can enforce suppressing all of these things through Congress all the way down through these different branches of government. HGH is another thing. HGH is a massively beneficial compound. The FDA put it into a category so high that it's basically like a controlled a substance. You're not supposed to be able to control a substance without it being voted on by a elected body. The FDA is not elected. They're appointed. They kind of broke the constitution by putting this into such a high category. It's basically controlled without an elected body doing anything

about it. So it's like they can kind of push the boundaries. Right. So FDA, when you look at the FDA, 90% of the FDA commit the heads of the FDA, the FDA commissioner, have go on, after they're done with the FDA, they go on to work prestigious positions at drug companies. Yeah. 90% are all at the top of administrative, cushy positions at drug companies. If you're an FDA commissioner and you play ball with the, with the drug companies, you know that you're going to go and be wealthy and the rest of your life's gonna be taken care of.

Right. So they will just push whatever agenda the drug companies want. So let's go to medical schools. This is where our providers are taught. Drug companies, 80% of the heads of medical schools, this is the heads of the department, have some financial tie to drug companies. They give them speaking engagements,

they give them consulting positions, they give them other, just paid engagements. They pick the curriculum. The drug companies have say in what you learn. They only teach them about the drugs that make them the most money, right? Testosterone is the patents up, you can't patent a natural hormone. The patents up, they don't make much money on testosterone. Testosterone gets people off of blood pressure medications, cholesterol medications, SSRIs of the pressure medications. It gets people off of even opioids because it's systemically anti-inflammatory,

reverses diabetes, reverses metabolic syndrome, reduces the risk of cardiovascular disease. Study after study show all these benefits. What was it? The Schaeckler family who started the Oxy epidemic. They actually had funded a textbook. and then was, they were then providing it to, and getting the head of the curriculum in multiple medical universities to take their textbook

that talked about all the benefits of oxygen. So that was one more, so the new branch of doctors coming into the market, or the industry, medical industry, had been being taught by this book that was funded by them, to talk about the benefits of opiate. Exactly. Which they pushed.

They control the education. And then the providers prescribe whatever they're taught in those books. Right. Right. So, I mean, yeah, that's another example of it. Now, the Shekler family, culpable state of mind, they knew it was dangerous. They covered up and taught differently. Right.

Nobody went to jail. They had to pay billions and billions of dollars, but nobody went to prison. Yeah. So. But even the money they did. they paid was not nearly didn't scratch the surface of what they made right and i was going to say they knew what they were doing yeah and they they were pushing the you take uh one pill one pill every 12 hours and even though and when everybody started complaining one pill it's it's wearing off within five or six

hours i need another pill they were going to the and the doctors were talking to their their their their the contacts that were pushing the medication, the two pills a day, every 12 a while, they said, so, okay, look, we're going to start prescribed. I'm going to prescribe less and break the pills or break the pills at half, take it every six days. They said, no, no, no, no. Problem is they're not building, they're not building up enough of it in their system. They need to take double once a day. So prescribe them, take them from the 40s to the 80s.

That's what you need. So prescribe more. And, of course, now these people are full-blown addicts. Instead of saying, hey, why don't we just break this pill at half and take it every six hours? Or, you know, like, no, no, because all of that was done simply because of the, they like the marketing of the marketing of the morning, one pill at night. Like they like, because the marketing was better, two pills a day was better than four pills a day. That's it? That's the marketing?

Because the marketing doesn't sound, you don't want to tell people to take four pills a day? That's it? Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Whatever, because like the drug companies also assume that the, assume people are stupid and that they, and they can only conform the very simple instructions. Right.

You're right. It's just easier to say two pills a day instead of you have to take this for a day. Listen, my dad started smoking cigarettes when he was 13 years old. He said because they were commercials. They were cartoon commercials where they were telling people that smoking cigarettes was good for your lungs. Yeah. And he could walk up and buy cigarettes.

He's smoking. He's 13 years. years old, he's smoking cigarette. They're selling them to them. Yeah. And there's commercials on TV. Fucking insane. When you first started testosterone, didn't you say you were taking like one injection? Was it one a week? Yeah, I was taking one a week. Yeah. And it was okay for a while. And then my nose started turning red. Yeah. I was getting red here and my nose were turning red. And so, but the the endocrine society labels it as you actually take. one every two weeks. You take a big injection, one every two weeks, kind of like you were saying

with the pills. And the half-life runs out, and then you crashed, right? So your testosterone level goes up here. You have side effects, and then you crash and you have this lower than when you started testosterone because your body shuts off with some endogenous production. And then you have your worse. You actually feel worse. But they still stick with the once every two weeks or even once a month. It's just a terrible protocol. So what I do, I said, no, increase your injection frequency. It brings the spikes down. You won't have those side effects and you'll stabilize your levels and feel better more consistently. Right? Yeah, but I was still, yeah, I was going to say, I was I still, you didn't, you didn't tell me to take more. You just said take the same dosage in two

different things. And then when you know what the doctor said to me when I went and I complained the doctor taking testosterone, here's what's going on. And she went, okay, this doctor, by the way, is terrified of me. Um, because I, what was it? I'd been taking, um, oh God, um, um, um, It's on the tip of my tongue. Basically, they call it the limitless rug. And I was taking it, and it makes you really focused, right? And I was like, well, I need a prescription for this. And I gave it to her.

This is the first time I went in. She was like, oh, and I was taking, shit, what are the dick pills? To the other phone, C-Ellis. C-A-Lis. So I was taking C-A-Lis. So I said, I'm taking this, thing, that. And she goes, well, who prescribed these? I said, well, I'm not prescribed.

I said, I know a guy. And she was like, what do you mean? And I go, I know a guy. And she goes, where did you meet this guy? I went, I said, I met him in prison. I was in prison, federal prison. I met him in prison. She was like, what was he in prison for?

I told her. And then she goes, what was he in prison for? I said, actually for mislabeling, he was selling medication, but he wasn't improper labeling of medication. It's irrelevant. I said, but he prescribed me this. And I said, and this. I said, but I'm tired of getting it from him.

And I said, I'd rather just get a prescription. And she was like, you don't know what's in this. I said, he gets it from China. She's, we don't know what's in it. It's fine. It works. Listen, I'm not here to complain about the medication. I'm saying it's all working.

And she's like, you're supposed to take a sleep whatever for this medication. You know, the sleep test. This is for shift work. And I went. Oh, it was a minute. It was medaphano. Medaphanel. Yeah.

Medaphyl. Yeah. And I said, she says, do you have a night jobbers? I said, no, no. I said, I just need to be able to concentrate. Yeah. It's a dopamine reuptych. Yeah.

I said, and it helps. And she went, I can't prescribe you this unless you take the, I have to order the sleep such and such first. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. When you're not resting well, everything else feels harder. Your focus, your mood, even your recovery. Ghostbed is here to help you fix that. They've spent decades perfecting how to build a bed that's comfortable, durable, and designed to actually help you rest. Every ghost bed mattress features premier materials, proven cooling technology, and their exclusive pro core layer, a targeted support system that reinforces the center of the mattress where the body is heaviest.

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She's, well, how are you? I said, and it's liquid. She's, they don't make a liquid version. I said, they do if you get it from China. If you get it from the guy. Right. I said, that guy. And she goes, and so she's terrified of me.

So then I come back to her and I tell her, hey, listen. I said, I'm on TRT. She says, we didn't prescribe you testosterone. And I'm like, no, no, I, I got another guy. I know a guy. I said, I know a guy. And she went, who was, is this? Did you meet this guy in prison?

I said, no, I met him after he got out of prison. That's irrelevant. And she's just like, listen, she did tell me, she said, you were one of my more interesting patients, by the way. She said, but so anyway, she told me, so anyway, she's the one who said, okay, well, look, I need to take your blood. And I said, okay. So she said, because you're not. I don't know who prescribed this. And I said, okay.

So I went and got my blood taken. Right there. They did it there. They took it there. I left. And then she called me up and said, you have to, where are you right now? And I went, I don't know what I work. And I was waiting to do a podcast or something.

Somebody showed up. She says, okay, you need to go immediately. I'm calling a prescription to this blood, whatever. You need to go immediately. She says, your body is producing too much hemoglobin. You have so much you might end up having a stroke. And I'm like, I know, I'm just telling what she's like. But so she tells me all that.

She tells me you got to go right now. And I said, okay, I said, listen, I'm not going right now. Yeah, I said, I feel fine. But that was also, my nose had been red. So I told her my nose was red. My cheeks are getting rose. That's something that's not normal. And she was like, right, took the blood, came back.

She was you need to go right now. I was like, okay, well, I'll go tomorrow. I'll go, you know. So I went like two, three days later. I went and I did it. Yeah, it's part of the problem. They don't learn, they don't learn the blood test in the context of testosterone. Admittedly, she didn't know.

And so I went, I did that for like three or four months. And then I changed providers. I go to the next lady. Same kind of conversations. She's terrified of me. And I go to her and I tell her I need to get a prescription for this. And she's like, I can. give you a prescription. She's like, why? And then I explained it to her. And she went, yeah,

I don't know anything about TRT. She said, my suggestion is, she said, so I don't know to, I can prescribe it, but you to get blood, but she said, but to give blood. She said, but I don't know if that sounds right. She's like, I'm not sure what, what this, what they're doing. She said, you need to go back to your provider who did it. So I called you and you were like, no, no, no, no, you don't have to do that anymore. You said, take the dose, split it in two, take, take one on Monday, one on fucking Thursday or Friday, and it will go away. And if it doesn't, you said break it into three. Breaking into three. Right. And I was like, okay, so I went back and I told Jess, here is what Ryan said to do. And I did that. And within a week, the nose, no redness, no nothing, totally

fine. And I was getting dizzy. I stopped getting dizzy. So I'm assuming that was part of that. Symptoms of hypertension. Okay. And all of that dropped down to nothing. And I never had any problems again. But these people have me getting stuck every month, sucking out how much blood. It makes the problem worse. Right. And I would do it. And then by the end of the month, it's happening again. And it makes it worse. It makes it worse. Yeah. They don't understand what blood work should look like in the context of testosterone. And it's different. Bloodwork is different. You actually, so the Enderkin Society actually did publish that your hematricot can go up to 54% if you have no symptoms and if you have no symptoms,

if you're on T or T, then you don't need to do anything if you have no symptoms up until 54-ish percent, right? And that's above the range. So any other provider, they see you 1% above that range and they go, you're going to have a stroke, you're going to have a heart attack, because that's what they learn. If an old person who's not on testosterone, their hematicate creeps up, it means they have what's called polysythemia, and all of their blood is thickening, including their clotting factors, and that could be dangerous.

In the context of TRT, it's just red blood cells, which carry oxygen, oxygen repletes your body's ATP, ATP is your body's currency for energy. Oxygen equals energy. It's actually a good thing. Now, if it goes too high, it can cause symptoms of hypertension, but we can mitigate that just through slight manipulations in the protocol. And I'm an expert at that. I can do that like that. but but your doctor just freaks out and makes you donate blood and just doesn't even know anything about what to do so it but they're not taught it right like all of this is just all of this is just a it's just I mean the ignorance one of the shocking things when I came into the medical community because of all the experience I had was the ignorance of not understanding anything

about testosterone not understanding the pharmacokinetics of the different routes of administration like what are the half-like? lives, how long does it last your system? What's it actually doing? What are the metabolites? I was shocked by the lack of knowledge. Well, you know, it's such a racket, too. I texted Boziac and I asked, remember I told you beforehand that Boziac

spent like, oh, he spent three days in the hospital. He had denangu fever. That's some of us of Cambodia. shit. He spent three days in the hospital. They took just dozens of tests, gave him all the medication, everything. It was, and when he left, he paid the bill in full. It was a whopping $165. That's crazy. For three days, you couldn't spend 20 minutes in a fucking emergency room or a hospital here without being thousands of dollars. And that was it. Yeah. Didn't you say an MRI I was like $12 or something.

Yeah, it's, it's outrageous. Yeah, it is, it's crazy. It's so overwhelmingly inexpensive to run and to buy and run an MRI machine. And they charge you between $1,200 to $1,800 here. And did you know that if you're a rep, like, if you go in and say, hey, I'm going to pay, I'll pay cash. They'll go, oh, you're a cash per, okay, $1,200. But if you say I have insurance, they bill you like $2,200. What the fuck does that?

Yeah. Well, we can't bill you less than that. Yeah. Why? Well, legally, we're not allowed. The fuck does that mean? Yeah. Legally.

That's why my insurance premiums are so bad. Exactly. Exactly. It's insane. Yeah. It's the same thing the doctor's office. You go and say, hey, look, I'm going to pay cash. I don't want to go, oh, okay, it's a here.

$80 for you. Yeah, exactly. It's $40. Yeah. I don't know. I have insurance. They're like, that'll be at $230. Yeah.

That's exactly right. It's crazy. So, yeah, it makes no sense at all. But I mean, you know it's a racket when for medication here you're paying $600 for a medication that in other countries you're paying $3 for, $6. Like, well, this sits all coming out of the same fucking lab, right? Like, I mean, it's, yeah, no, but we're, and they even had that thing in Congress where they actually asked, like, one of the manufacturers or of the, one of the pharmaceutical companies. and he basically said you sell the same medication in, you know, whatever country for $6. And here you're selling this medication for $800.

And he was like, well, yeah, that's to recoup the money for the investment that we put into. Well, why aren't you charging them? He's like, well, that's for, to recoup it because for Americans. Well, why aren't you recouping it from the other people you're selling it to? They're like, well, you know, it's just not the way it works here. That's not how we set it up. We set it up so that the American public can pay us to recoup the money that we're investing. Because initially it was designed for to help Americans with this problem.

Yes, but you sell it around the world. So the truth that, and those people are actually paying cost. And we're paying, and even then, it's not, it's not 900 times. You're not recouping. You guys are a trillion-dollar companies. So cut the shit. It's a fucking lot. So.

To this point, continuing medical education, right? So providers are required to do continuing medical education. Pharmaceutical companies fund that. They pay a billion dollars a year in continuing medical education to teach the providers how to prescribe the drugs that they sell. Right. And that's all they teach them. So you can see in medical schools now, like why testosterone is not taught and why the little information they do learn is antiquated

notions and dogma from decades ago. Let's also talk about the pharmaceutical companies. They know damn well if you want to suppress something because it overtakes one of your drugs that you're making a lot of money. All you have to do is get some kind of study written that shows that it can cause cancer or it's dangerous. It causes heart attacks or something. You just get a study that does that.

Or it's also an additional. You can extend the, what is it? They have like their patent is good for like 10 years or something. And at the end of 10 years, they just do another study and say, hey, guess what? We also found out that it helps with this. And that gives them another 10 years. Another 10 years. Yeah.

Or they can change the route of administration. So for instance, right now, like all their age is estrogen patches. And they're terrible. They don't work. But so here's another example, right? We get a lot of females coming to us who are on estrogen patches. And they're terrible. They don't absorb well.

They don't get your levels high enough to a therapeutic range. And they're very fast acting. And it's not a good way to do it. The injections are 100% absorbed. They're esterified so we can stabilize your levels. They last a long time in your system. So we can stabilize your levels. It's much, much better.

The patches are being used, A, because it's a newer route of administration, they can patent it. B, the continuing medical education shows this is the way to do it. That's the way, if prescriber prescribes estrogen, that's how they do it. And it's just because your provider prescribes it doesn't mean it's the best way to do it. It's just what the pharmaceutical companies have been paying to teach them what to do. Right. The studies, let's talk about the studies. So we don't have any proof that for these studies, we have proof of other studies that have been paid off.

People have been paid off to write, you know, misnesty. formed studies. These ones, we don't have proof that the pharmaceutical company have paid them, but it just really looks that way. So there's been, there was a rash of very poorly, of, a very poorly run studies. Errors. Mathemat, the Vigian study of 2013 found that testosterone increases the risk of cardiovascular disease. This study was rife with so many errors. It has been widely discredited and the original authors have now retracted their statements. However, it, it It had errors such as math formula errors, an error where they included a thousand women's results in this male study,

as a study on men, and somehow a thousand women were thrown in there, and math errors. As a scientist, this is the apex of your career publishing a study. It's what they all look for. It's what gives them a name. You don't make a math error. You have third-party people who check these things. You don't make a math error on a study.

It's just not something that happens. And it could be the end of your career if you do that. And again, you have third party people. Go check all my math. Check my data. How do you get a thousand women thrown into a male study? All right. People check that.

It's so unprofessional. It could be like career ending for that scientist. No scientist is going to do that. This study had all of that. And the FDA used it to put a black box warning on testosterone and saying it could increase risk for cardiovascular disease. So again, the pharmaceutical company, we don't know for sure, but they could have paid to have this study just rigged with bad information.

By the way, when they corrected the math error and took out the women, this same study when they actually did the study right, it showed that testosterone reduced the risk of cardiovascular disease. But with all the misinformation they had in, it shows that it increased. the FDA threw a black box warning on testosterone, which further stigmatizes it. Now, no doctor wants to prescribe it because I'm going to increase your risk for heart attack if I give you testosterone. It's the opposite.

It's exactly the opposite. Every single risk factor has now been debunked for testosterone, every single one. They thought it could cause prostate cancer. That was a joke. No studies ever showed that. All the studies show that there's no increase. In fact, testosterone suppresses some kinds of prostate cancer. testosterone reduces the risk.

Therapeutic doses, testosterone reduces the risk of cardiovascular disease. Blood clots. Again, testosterone, there's actually a function where testosterone reduces pro-coagulatory factors. It reduces thrombin, which is a coagulation factor, increases antithroman, which reduces coagulation. Platelets have angriereceptors that prevent them from aggregating, right? So it reduces clotting. It's a beautiful mechanism if you stand back. Remember, testosterone increases your red blood.

cells, right, to give you more oxygen, and it reduces your risk for clotting. So you can have testosterone, you can increase your red blood cells, so you get more oxygen, oxygen equals energy, and we reduce your risk of clotting. It's a beautiful evolutionary mechanism, right? So you can have higher testosterone levels without cladding. No study has ever showed that it increases risk for cladding, right? But there was a few poorly run studies that potentially indicated that, so now everybody was scared about it.

Right. So this rashous studies that came out from about 1980 to 2015-ish were just bias and misinformed and terrible, right? That was a, so then let's talk about the legislation, the war on drugs. Royal on drugs is a sci-op, right? They use fear, the principle of fear, fear in two contexts. Political campaigns often run on fear. Make the people afraid of something offer us. to it and they'll elect you. Right. Do you remember the war on drugs when George Bush in the 1980s came up with that bag of the white? And he held it up and he said, this is destroying our country.

It's destroying their inner cities. He had a bag of it. Made the people afraid of something. Oh, my gosh. We're going to fix this with the war on drugs. Right. Oh, he's got a solution. I'm going to elect him.

It's a sciop. right uh it turns out that controlling that before that the federal prison system had and then they're when they did the war on crime too that's when fraud cases went through the roof the war on crime the war on drugs the federal prison population in the beginning of the 1980s was 20,000 it shot up by 90s to 200,000 yeah in that period of time because because of those two operations. I'm going to say the budget for the federal government for the military quadrupled also under Reagan because Reagan ran on stopping communism and his big thing was that we need our military

as powerful and strong. And I don't doubt that, but he said that before the Soviet Union starts landing on our beaches. And they pushed the entire time that the Soviet Union at some point had plans to invade North America. The Soviet Union moves their troops around the Soviet Union by rail. They don't even have interstates. Keep on, the Soviet Union is extremely poor. They do not even have – if the Soviet Union right now said we want to invade – the United States, they don't even have the means to get themselves across the ocean.

Like, you know what I'm saying? We have crafts that you can climb into boats and get across the ocean and land on beat. They have none of it. Same thing with China. China could not, if they wanted to invade America, they got no fucking way to do it. It take them six months to a year to create the landing craft, to create the boats, to create everything, just to get here. if they made that attempt, they have none of it. But you say it.

Yeah. Make them afraid. Make them afraid. And you elect Reagan. I love Reagan, by the way. But that you're lying, you're creating this fear in order and saying, I can solve the problem. He can't. My opponent cannot solve the problem.

And isn't even telling you about it. And it's horrible and we need to fix it. The problem you're telling me you're going to save me from doesn't exist. It doesn't even exist. Right. And we're going to, we're going to. By locking up all these criminals, we're going to be tough on crime. We're going to, you spend a ton of money, a ton of money.

$100 billion a year on policing all the drugs. Right. We learned from prohibition that doesn't work. It doesn't work. Making it illegal doesn't. It fueled the black market. More people died in the name of the control of alcohol during prohibition that died in current cartels. It was a decade of violence.

and prohibition just didn't work. Yeah. When they repealed prohibition, now alcohol, you know, funds, they can tax it. They don't have to spend all the money to control it. People aren't filling up prisons because of it. Now, we're about to see, I'm going to go over the death tolls for all the other drugs, right? Because if the steroids are so dangerous, right, they must have a high death toll, right? So let's go over.

We're going to go over all the drugs. Now, alcohol is one of the highest, and nobody's freaking out about it. And nobody's saying, look at all the deaths, we need to control alcohol. It's all perspective. It's about how you, how you, it's about your perspective on it, right? And how it's, how, you know, how it's engineered to be seen by the public, the lens that it's seen by the way. Right. Now, the answer isn't to control alcohol.

The answer is education. The answer isn't to control any drug. It's education. Teach people about it, but we can't, we can't make it a controlled substance because it causes more problems. than it solves. There's another aspect to fear, right? Fear is two contexts and make people afraid of something offer a solution to it. The other context is, and this is what Chase Hughes.

I don't know, he was a intelligence operative that now just teaches people about psychology and how they, what they learned in their intelligence schools. Fear stands for, it's an acronym for focus, emotion,

aggravation, repetition. That's how you, that's how you execute a siop. So we're going to see those elements in what they've done. So one of them was, do you remember the Olympics cheating? Ben Johnson test positive for Stannazol, a steroid, in the 1988 Olympics. Yeah.

And everybody went nuts about cheating. He lost the medal. Everybody was talking about the government was like, we need WADA to do more. what is the testing, the group that tests for professional sports in the Olympics. We need to, we can't have this cheating in sports. So there's one. It invoked people's agitation about this, right? And then do you remember steroids in baseball?

Yeah. Congress had hearings on anabolic steroids and baseball. What does Congress have to do with baseball? This is a private sport. This is not a government. That's exactly correct. They used a pathway from 1922 when it was, the Supreme Court found that Congress could regulate baseball because there was, they were paying off. They were like, they were buying results for games or whatever, right?

And Congress didn't want, because it was international, they didn't want the games to be fixed. So they allowed Congress to regulate it from 1922. They came back in 1994, I think, is when this happened, and used that to be able to come in and have hearings on baseball. They have nothing to do with it. But they did use a pathway from 1920 to do it. So they had hearings. Remember, they brought Sammy Sosa.

Now, if you ask me, if you ask most people, I hate baseball. I think it's boring as hell. Right. I did watch when freaking Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire and who was the other, Barry Bonds. Yeah, Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds were just smacking home runs every time. It was exciting. Right.

I watched during that. It was like who's going to hit a home run today and how many are they going to hit? It was like, I didn't, it had baseball hysteria had never been at a higher point, right? So then cheating, some of them test positive positive. of some of the guys come out and say, oh, there's steroids all over in baseball. Now everybody's talking about cheating. The government's talking about cheating.

Repetition. This is the second time that sports and cheating has come up, right? Repetition. Agitation, repetition. During this same time, they also, they wanted to get emotion in there, right? They had to get emotion in there. So they brought up a father

who's 16-year-old son committed to his dad, and he said it was because of he took anabolic steroids, right? He is dead set about against it. He said, my kid committed. Now, what they don't tell you is this kid had a history of depression, and he had attempted to decide multiple times before he ever took steroids. He had a history of trying to commit. He, after he, it was, they said he took steroids. I don't even know what kind of proof they have. He, they said, our kids are using steroids because these baseball players are using steroids. Emotion, right?

Fear, focus, emotion. We're using all of the elements of a sciop. In 1990 is the first time this passed the steroid control. Now, Congress put a bill up for the steroid control act to make steroids testosterone included a Schedule 3 controlled substance. The DEA, the FDA, the American Medical Association, and I think it's called NIDA about drug abuse,

National Institute of Drug Abuse, all opposed making testosterone a Schedule 3 controlled substance. All of those, all of those government organizations. They said it doesn't quite meet their criteria. Here are the criteria for a Schedule 3. It does not afford the psychological dependence that you require from these other drugs that are in the schedule. We recommend you do not do this. When does Congress not listen to the profession? They're always talking about, let's get, I want to hear from the experts.

I want to hear from the experts. Well, the experts spoke, and Congress unanimously voted to make that a controlled substance. After they got public opinion behind them from all those siops and all the studies. So what did this do? It further stigmatized it. Now no doctor wants to prescribe this stuff because it's illegal. It's a controlled substance. And they made it, I think it was 2004.

They did another stereo control, like where they controlled more precursors, more forms of it, and made it. worse, right? Stigmatized it worse. Now no doctor wants to prescribe it. It's illegal. It's a, bad drug. It just makes it worse. Nobody wants to use it. All the doctors are scared of it. Just makes it worse and worse. So if testosterone is so dangerous, it must be killing people left and right. So let's compare it national yearly death tolls for all the different drugs. The white stuff, 29,000 deaths per year. Opioids actually surprisingly low 72,000 per year. Alcohol, 178,000 deaths per year.

One of the higher ones. Yeah. Tobacco, smoking, 480,000 deaths a year. Tobacco and alcohol are illegal. And I'm not saying you should illegalize them, but just we don't have the same hysteria that we do about how bad they are for you. Let's talk about sugar.

sugar leads to cardiovascular disease. It leads to insulin resistance, diabetes, metabolic syndrome, which leads to cardiovascular disease, the number one cause of death in the world. 920,000 deaths per year. So almost a million, right? Almost a million per year. Over the last 60 years, manager.

Now, the deaths have been rising. You're talking this is annual. That number's annually. Annual. But you're saying it's been annual. for the past whatever year, however many years. Yeah, and it has been rising. So in 19, because what we're going to find is that the sugar industry did their thing in 1965.

Okay. So it's been rising since then, right? Steroids must be pretty bad up there, right, because it's a controlled substance. Right. It's pretty dangerous. Let's look at a different one, though. Let's look at Bud. How many deaths do you think?

Colby, how many, don't use your computer, how many deaths do you think are caused annually by bud? None. Yeah, I would say. Can't imagine any, right? 10? What? I mean, how can you can't?

I don't mean that. I will say, I will say zero. Yeah. Zero is correct. Yeah. It is pharmacologically impossible for an herbicide to, or for an herbal supplement to be able to cause of death. There's, there's never been a case where the coroner put death due to overdose of antibiotic steroids.

That's never happened. Right. There's a handful, just a handful, in the last 20 years of polypharmacy, where people have been on different drugs, the white, the H. Yeah, yeah, multiple things. One of them was. And there's some that include that. Yeah.

They did all these things and they died. Yeah. And they had like a heart attack or something. Yeah. They were also fucking. Yeah. They had all those things in their system. There's been like 12 of those in the last 20 years.

All right. right, the dangers are over-dramatized, right? They say it's going to cause a heart attack, it's going to do all these things. I would be remiss if I didn't say that you don't increase the risk of having a heart attack, of sudden cardiac death, if you abuse testosterone, right? One of the problems is, or abuse steroids, one of the problems is that the society, medical community doesn't make the distinction between therapeutic doses and abusive doses, right? Abusive doses will increase the risk, I'd be remiss.

I'm not saying go ahead because of what this says, that there's only been a handful of, there's been no, like, clear cut. This is anabolic steroid overdose. That's never been on anything. I would be remiss if I didn't say that it can exacerbate conditions to lead to a heart attack if abused, right? But that's a massive amount of abuse.

It would be a large amount of abuse. But there's other data that we have, right? And therapeutic doses, study after study show that it reduces all-cause mortality. You are healthier and live longer if you take therapeutic doses of testosterone. That is unequivocal. It's in multiple studies. Abusive doses, people say if you do this, you're going to have a heart attack. Like your provider, your hematic rate went up.

You're going to have a stroke. You've got to do this right now. Like, you have to leave what you're doing. It's just pretty ridiculous. There is a study that came out not too long ago that followed 20,000 body, but it's a huge study over an 18-year period. I'm sorry. I think it was actually like a 12-year period. 12 to 15 year period.

And it followed bodybuilders, professional bodybuilders. And it took all the reasons for the death. The data was great. The analysis was very poor, but the data was great. So when you take amateur bodybuilders, these are people who abuse, abused steroids. Amateur bodybuilders abused steroids. And look at, take their amount of cardiac deaths

compared to the general population. They had about half the amount of heart attacks of death from any kind of cardiovascular problem than the general population. These are people who abuse steroids. When you look at all-cause mortality, death from anything, the amateur bodybuilders were five to nine times lower chance of death from all-cause mortality

than the general population of people at the same age, the same age group, mind you. It is profoundly protective, the bodybuilding lifestyle, including abusive doses of antibiotics. steroids. Now, they do other things that are healthy diet, right? Like, yeah, they lose fat. Like, they're doing other things. But antibiotic steroids are, are dangerous, right?

Like, that should be toxic and it should be killing people. It's not professional bodybuilders. These are the people who have pro cards who've been doing it for a long time, and they're the ones who get on, you know, you see Mr. Olympia, you know, all those. They, because they've been, you know, they've made it their career to do this professionally. This is what they do. they work out and do

anabolic steroids. They do have a higher rate of deaths from cardiovascular issues than the general population. However, when you look at all-cause mortality, it's about the same. So I know people in the comments watching this are going to say,

well, all these bodybuilders are dropping like flies. I get it every time I talk about this and say they say something like this. That's not true. Again, again, I'm not saying that there's no increased risk. I would be remiss if I said that. What I will say is because we have these studies

that show that there is, that for amateurs, it's protective for professional bodybuilders. It's the all cause mortality is about the same, even though the risk for cardiovascular events is higher. What I'm saying is that the, this is the people who make their life about using this. All professional sports are riskier than the general population, right? When you commit, again, it's about the abusive doses,

risk as therapeutic doses. What I'm saying is that, and especially the college kid, who's running a couple cycles a few times a year for a few years while he's in college, like those, they're not hurting themselves.

Right. And the dangers of anabolic steroids are widely overblown, widely overblown. Again, I don't recommend because I said that, that people go out and just go ahead and abuse these.

Right. It will increase your risk of problems. But they're not nearly as dangerous as they're purported be and therapeutic doses are unequivocally protective. So now let's talk about the sugar industry. One of the largest siops and fraudulent siops in the history. Right.

I'm going to explain how that happened. There's evidence for it, too. First thing I want to do is explain how sugar is addictive. Remember I talk about dose, dose response, whenever you do something that helps yourself, survivor of the survival of species you produce, dopamine, oxytose, and serotonin endorphins, right? you're supposed to be addicted to those

when you do something to help people or something to survive you get dopamine and oxytocin and you're supposed to be addicted to that you're supposed to be addicted to doing the things that help your survival or the survival of your species right drugs mimic either mimic

or they give you a huge uptake of those neurotransmitters and they hijack that system right so it's kind of like an evolutionary trick right so brown brown when you take that it directly mimics endorphins right so you agonize that receptor and your brain just goes, I want that thing again,

do whatever action. Normally, if it's an action, like you help somebody survive, your brain goes, do that again, help people survive so that I get those neurotransmitters again. Right. If what you did was just take a drug, your brain says, do that again, do that again, do that again. And that's why drugs are addictive.

You just take the drugs to get the neurotransmitters and your brain just goes in that cycle, right? One of the things that gives us these neurotransmitters is eating. Eating gives us a huge uptake. a dopamine. When you eat, your brain, you get, and your brain says, do that again, eat again, right? It's why you crave food, right? The more energy the food has in fats or sugars, the higher the dopamine response. In caveman time, we involved all our mechanisms back in caveman days. There was no purified sugars in caveman days, so it's not supposed to exist.

Right. When we purify these sugars and you have, it's sugars tons of energy very quickly, and it spikes your glucose really high. You get tons of dopamine from that. So your brain just goes sugar, sugar, sugar, and your brain goes, keep eating the sugar because I get dopamine from that. That's how it's addictive. It's the same exact mechanism as drugs as brown and white and all those drinking ice and everything across the board. Same exact mechanism hijacks the same exact system, just as addictive, right? And for some people, it can be just as addictive. This is why obese people, they can't stop. They can't stop. People eat themselves to death literally. When I worked in an emergency,

room. We saw obese people who have their family has to bring them. They're so big that they can't move and they have bed sores and they're only like 40 years old. And they can't roll out of bed. They need somebody to, and they can't stop. They literally eat themselves in that, just like you would overdose. Right. With understanding that, in 1965, executives within the sugar research foundation, the lobbying are of the sugar industry, recognize that emerging, that emerging incredible science was linking high sugar diets to the rapidly rising rates of coronary heart disease. To protect their massive profit margins, they covertly initiated a project to shift the blame entirely. They paid a trio of highly respected Harvard University nutrition professors,

most notably Dr. Mark Hedsted and Dr. Robert McCandy, to produce a fraudulent cherry pick literature review. In 1967, this bought and paid for review was published in a New England Journal of Medistin. arguably the most prestigious medical journal in the entire world. The paper intentionally downplayed the massive metabolic risk of sugar consumption and forcefully fingered saturated fat as the sole dietary cause of heart disease. Now, this is proof. You can look it up.

It's all, it's, this is known data, right? Right. This is fraud on a massive, but watch what happens because of this. Now, do you remember the 1980s when they were fingering fats for everything, right? And everybody was like, oh my gosh, it's fats that are causing all these problems. Then cholesterol, remember when people wouldn't eat eggs?

Right. Because of the cholesterol. And if they did eat eggs, it was egg whites, right? You take the yolks out because the cholesterol is good. Forever. Forever. It's because it turns out the problem at all. It's because they fingered the fats and the cholesterol.

Right. And they, so now. Hold on, I need some sugar. So, because. Because of the New England Journal of Medicine, nutrition regulation began requiring food companies to remove fat from food. To maintain palatibility, the food industry replaced the fat with colossal amounts of processed sugar. Simultaneously, the food industry leveraged clinical science to design hyper-palatable foods, products chemically engineered in laboratories with precise ratios of sugar, salt, and artificial flavors designed specifically to hijack the brain's dopamine-reweens.

reward system triggering intense behavioral addiction in the population. The resulting death toll from this dietary shift was apocalyptic. Excess sugar consumption is the primary driver of obesity, type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome, and cardiovascular disease. Cardiovascular disease now causes almost 1 million deaths per year in the United States alone. Worldwide, it's a lot higher. The sugar lobbies intentional manipulation of science has undoubtedly caused hundreds of millions of premature deaths worldwide over the last 60 years probably billions worldwide.

Want to talk about one of the biggest siaps of all time? One of the biggest, the biggest death toll of anything all the time. Sugar. And known, it was a fraudulent, intentional, misinformed misinformation. What do you think we should do? Well, okay.

Get a posse together and go, string these fuckers up. Let's do it. the end of it. What was the government's response to this fraudulent massacre? They co-signed it. They facilitated it. They were complicit.

The United States government does not restrict sugar. It celebrates it. Sugar is advertised in every corner in every store and aggressively marketed directly to children in schools using sophisticated neuromarketing and viral buzz campaigns. Christina's niece over here, I go to her, her, you know, basketball games and school events. It's all candy. All chocolate bars.

and candy. Like, this is what we're teaching our kids to go ahead and there's nothing healthy there. It's all chocolate bars and candy and sugar. It's crazy. You're very upset about this. I am. More damningly, the federal government actively facilitates this systemic poisoning by spending $4 billion annually to subsidize domestic sugar, corn, and soy production, keeping these highly toxic ingredients artificially cheap and ubiquitous. The government subsidizes sugar. They make it cheap so that it can be used everywhere. To look up ubiquitous. It's everywhere. Everywhere. Okay.

It exists everywhere at once. Political action committees for major fast food and beverage chains routinely pour millions of dollars in the congressional campaigns to ensure that taxes, warnings, or regulations on their lethal products are never passed. No one is protesting the stores that are selling the sugars causing all this death and carnage. No corporate executives. No one who paid for the, that fraudulent study, none of the scientists who caused millions upon millions of cardiovascular disease deaths in the U.S. have or will go to the prison. Yet they put me in prison for selling

fucking testosterone, right? Testosterone is one of the biggest, is one of the best treatments to reverse all of the damage caused by sugar. You're holding resentment. That's what they'd say in Ardap. You know that, right? Those fuckers. Say, let's go get up. You want to talk about the Siop, one of the biggest of all times? I think recapping is important too. I'll do a refrecap and I'm done. Okay. The recap, the government failed to keep endocrine disrupting

You know this is a crime program. This is a crime program, right? Yeah. This is a crime. Congress doesn't think so. They're signing up. They're signing. They're signing. I'm reporting a crime right now. The government failed to keep endocrine disrupting chemicals out of our environment.

They're in everything, the endocrine disrupting. There's proven studies show that it's in, there's the thallates, the BPAs, the plastics, the herbicides, the pesticides are ruining our testosterone, our endocrine systems, men and females. There's studies that show men in 1970s have twice the testosterone that we have now. We have half the testosterone levels that we did in 1970. And because endocrine disruptors and briminal toxins. The government has failed to protect us from those. other countries actually protect their citizens.

They allow less of the chemicals that we do in the United States. They have failed to protect us from the endocrine disruptors that are lowering your testosterone, making it's more susceptible to cardiovascular disease from sugars. Then the government failed to protect us from sugar, causing the number one cause of death in the world. They co-signed it. The government likely, at the behest of drug companies, controlled overregulated, became gatekeepers in suppressed testosterone, one of the most beneficial medications in the history of medication, one of the best treatments to reverse the damage caused by sugar one of the best treatments to significantly reduce the risk of the number one cause of death death in the world it was a perfect storm all preventable and they put me in fucking prison for selling testosterone dropping the mic I can't I I I fail I mean I refuse to believe that the government would do anything underhanded uh

Yeah, so I'm going to break something to you that I don't think anybody is probably said, but they're not getting rid of sugar. They're not going to do it. They're not doing it. Because they make too much money out of it. I'm telling you. And it's delicious. Yeah.

But that didn't hurt. You know, and just like any other drug, I don't know that I agree with like, you know, controlling it, right? Like just warn education is key, right? Tell people how they could cut. Tell people it's addictive. They could cut the prison population by 80% and the budget by 80% and they could dump half of that into education

and half of it in a drug rehabs. And we would not have a drug problem at all in the United States. And we have extremely educated citizens. They don't want educated citizens. Do you understand? They don't want that. That's not how the system set up. You know, first of all, you don't want an educated citizenry because they want to, it's, it's more difficult to get elected.

It's, you know, you, you, you, you want, first of all, and they're not workers. You really want to educate people just enough to be workers. You want them to work at Walmart. It's not a lot of, you don't want a, you don't want a bright Walmart population, you know, or employees, because they're going to, they're going to be upset, you know, like, how much am I getting paid? Like, this isn't starting, this is starting to not work. not feel right to me. What's with all these sugars? Yeah. So I did a podcast with a psychotherapist who who said that if he was trying to be the supreme ruler over a country and the supreme authority, one of the first things he would do is do what include the lower people's testosterone because

testosterone makes you more of the alpha male type. You're going to fight. You're going to, you're going to ask questions. You're going to be motivated to make things change and make things better. But I don't think that they thought that back in the 1950s and 60s, but I just, it's just naturally happening. I'm not a conspiracy. I'm actually, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I don't believe all these things and they did all this on purpose. What I do believe, they're not changing it. They did on purpose.

What I do believe they did on purpose was that, if it's obvious, the sugar industry did that for money. I don't think they knew that it would cause that many cardiovascular disease death. Right. But, but. That's the result. They're not correcting it. Right. Yeah.

Right. And I do believe that there was some incentive to write bad studies and to demonize testosterone through regulation and laws. Yeah. Well, I don't know that. I don't know that. But in those two things, though, coalesced and created this exponential problem. Like you said, they're not going to get rid of sugar. I agree.

I don't even necessarily think that I don't agree with eradicating things. But at least freaking have the education in the treatments available to mitigate the, you know, the damage. Testosterone, a lot of these peptides help do that too. And they're suppressing all of it. And I'm offering the solution. And I go to prison. I hear you.

What we need to do is get people to go to your business and sign up. Yeah. Let's do that. That's correct. Let's do that. I will take care of you. Come to my business. I will make you look and feel your best and dramatically improve your quality of life.

I've done it for over for 20. 25,000 people now. Matthew Cox includes. That is true. What's the name of the business? Goh4M.com is a website. Do you have any, do you have t-shirts? What?

That's crazy. I'm going to get you one. You should have given me one before you, and I could have won it, although I get cold. But, yeah, it's going good. It is. It is.

It's going well. And most of it is about educating people, because, again, that's what I was going to ask. I was going to ask you and Colby. And I'll even ask Christina and Ava out there. What, when you think a testosterone, what comes to your head? Like, before you knew me, because you know a lot more, and maybe you listened to this pilot.

But Colby, what did you think? When do you thought of testosterone? I mean, I just think of somebody that's, like, they look like they're on steroids in the gym. Right. I think in 1978 Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. When you hear the word testosterone.

And so that was engineered. Like, it was engineered that you think that about testosterone. Testosterone does build muscle, but building muscles is one of the healthiest thing. And the look that you're describing, Colby, is only if you do abusive doses. We're not therapeutic doses won't get you that big. It will increase your muscle mass aesthetically a little bit, enough to reduce insulin resistance, reverse diabetes, and improve your sense of well-being, so you don't need to be on depression medications. Well, I mean, if abusing it is going to make me live to be 70-something years old and look like Arnold Shorts in here.

Because he's still walking around. Like all these fucking old bodybuilders are still walking around. Oh, yeah. Looked better. Did you see his 2008 rambo? The 2008 one? What was it? I forget what it was called.

The 2008 one. He looked better. He was 65 years old than that one. He looked better in that one than he did on his. first Rambo when he was in his 20. How old is he now? In his late 70s. He looks great.

He's still doing a fucking series. Tulsa King. Yeah, he's doing Tulsa King. Yeah, he's doing Tulsa King. He looks fantastic. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button to the bell to get notified of videos just like this.

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