Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Did Big Meech Cooperate!? | Prison Insider Explains Everything!

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

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Did Meach cooperate? Meets took a picture with Rick Ross. Rick and 50 have had a long-standing beef. 50 says that he's coming out with a documentary with TAM and exposed the Big Meach. Matt, you're going to get a crash course today in the history of BMF, the Black Mafia family. Do you know who that is by any chance? The only reason I know is because I was locked up. with Big Meach's brother.

Southwest tea, really? Yeah. I was talking about just hearing about this now. Well, they called him Southwest, and I had a buddy who was writing a book with him. And it was like a self, like I was telling him, you need to write this guy's memoir. And he wanted to write like a self-help book, kind of like a, how he was the financial mastermind behind BMF, you know, that you see what I'm saying? like obviously every big meech is a guy out front everybody's like oh he's running everything and he wanted to write a book that kind of said that he was the person that was behind the scenes running everything not really running everything you know what I'm saying but but like brains of the operation brains of the operation or the financial he was running the financial part of it or something along those lines and my buddy was like he's he he did write that book I'm pretty sure and uh but he never ended up writing his memoir I think he kind of alluded that like he might

he might let him write his memoir that's a lot of what we're going to talk about the day concerning meech and this was a point i was going to make later but i'll throw this out now since you said that like at the end of the day when these guys got busted and we'll do a quick overview on like their you know their operations but south tea terry uh southwest tea whatever you want to call um was more of the reason why they got busted he was the one that was caught on wiretaps he was the one that you know really sank the ship so to speak as far as him and and meech um meech wasn't caught on wiretaps a lot of people even said meech probably could have fought that case and won but ultimately you're kind of leaving your brother to take the

fall for the whole thing and so they both went down yeah so i kind of heard so my understanding is that there you know there was a large trafficking operation and when they all did get kind of busted that they negotiated a plea where they all took like 30 years or something like that. They didn't cooperate. It just all took 30 years and went to prison for 30 years. That was it. Correct. So that basically, they created what was called the Black Mafia family.

And from 89 to about 2005, they made roughly about $270 million. And that could be, you know, it could be more. It could be less. Nobody will really know the actual number. But they were getting it in, as the kid said. they were arrested in 2005 for cocaine trafficking and money laundering and in 2007 both meech and terry like you said agreed to 30 year sentences and there's a lot of other people that was involved in this i'm not saying these are only two i'm trying to keep this streamlined to the issue here of did meech

cooperate right so many different yeah there's so many different paths you can tailor all phone so I might mention something and not dab deep into it just because I don't want to get off from the path but they were since a prison Meach went to Federal Correction Institute Sheridan which I believe is in Oregon I don't know where Terry went

well I guess you were and with him for a little bit but Terry was released in 2020 when COVID he was medically released that was his I guess I don't know what you apply for for that but during that he got released then Meach was released

towards the end of last year and he's, I think he's like on the halfway house type of situation he'll be fully released January of next year. I think is when his full release will be. Now, there's a show that is being done by 50 Cent

and it's on the Stars Network. Now, 50's got a lot of shows. He's done power. Power was a huge success. He split power off into like four different shows like every character from power he split off and put their own shows he's really a genius

when it's like those stuff spin off yeah spin off so you took one show you ended it but you made full more shows with all the characters like he continued the character from one part he done an origin character from another part then he'd give Tommy the white guy his own series I mean he's really smart when it comes to that kind of stuff

at some point in time in there 50 I don't know who he talked with to get the rights to this and she's an intricate part of this story but her her name is tammy cowen if you does a tv series called bmf the guy that plays big meech is little meech big meech is actual real life son and the the series i actually need to watch it i've never watched it i need to watch it but it's a pretty good series from what i hear all things are you know positive from what i hear about it and so when me it gets out of jail you think there's going to be this kind of, I guess, partnership

or whatever if you were between him and Fippee. And seemingly on the surface in the beginning, it was. They had pictures together on Instagram. Things were going well. But Meach took a picture with Rick Ross. Rick Ross is another rapper. You know, Rick Ross is?

Yes. Okay. I got to check as we move along. Rick and 50 have had a long standing beef. of Rick Ross, and I like Rick's music, but he portrays this drug dealer pusher, trafficker type thing and he used to be a corrections officer.

I got found out years ago. So that kind of damages the reputation a little bit. But they've, there's no love loss between those two. When a photo surfaces online of Meach and Rick together, 50 goes berserk, he posts a picture of them two together,

calling me a rat and all this he posts screenshots of little mech contacting him and saying man i don't understand what this is all about ross was just giving him a pop some money until season three starts you know me you know we ain't got no beef or whatever and fit your response back what's season three so basically he's saying he's canceling the whole damn show at this point and i believe he would i believe he would sacrifice the money to prove a point because he's got other shit lined up yeah he's not this is not going to break him yeah he's already opened up a huge recording studio in shreveport louisiana like he's got other things into work so it's not it's not going to hurt them a lot more than it'll hurt him and the point of that photo between him and ross was they were going to do a

welcome home concert for big meech and a bunch of high profile hip hop artists were going to be there because i mean he had been in jail for a long time i don't know the exact number of years maybe slightly over 20 that he did um he was able to get out due to some sending and sending sentencing guideline changes that Pete talked about. But that was why he got out. It was not the cooperation that people were alluding to. Now, there's a lady I mentioned earlier named Tammy Cowens. 50 says that he's coming out with an interview or documentary with Tammy.

And Tammy's going to expose the Big Meach done what's called third-party cooperation. Now, Tammy is an executive producer on the BMF show on the stars. From what I gather, she was the one that was Meach's kind of connection to the outside world as far as handling his life rights and things like that for a prison. Because then what Pete told me, and you would know, because you wrote a lot of books in prison, I don't think you can really control that while you're in prison as far as your own life rights. But if you sign them over to someone else, they can make deals on your behalf. Is that correct? You're not really supposed to be able to even sign contracts at all. But yeah, yeah, I'm sure Pete's right off probably.

on that yeah all right so he's he's in which he's certainly not in a position to shop them like you at the very least need somebody out there shopping and around making phone calls you're not doing that from prison right and that was documentaries made on the bmf and stuff like it so it's not like only a few people know who he is like and he was also tied into the music industry he got a lot of guys starter that was how they were starting to watch some of that money was getting artists you know thrown into the fray young gizi was one he come out of that camp so he's a well-known own guys, and which almost begs the question, if 50 got the life rights from Tammy to be able to shoot the BMF series, that means technically he owns the Meach's life rights, which

could get really, really hairy going forward. I don't want to go jump too far ahead, but if that is the case, then Meach basically has no legs to stand on as far as his own life rights. That would be now technically owned by 50% if that's what happened. I don't know the specifics of the deal they cut, but that's not really imported to our year. So now let's introduce you the players in this whole situation. You've obviously got Big Meach who was in prison this whole time. He went

to, I think he rested in 05, took a deal in 07, plea deal. Tammy Cowan, who is his handler, a guy named Dion Cuffy Gatlin, who was a St. Louis drug trafficker that was apparently, I didn't even know there was such a thing as still I started looking into this, but he

St. Louis BNF. So I guess maybe they have branches throughout the U.S. He didn't know Meach for a long time and knew Tammy, forgot to know Tammy at some point. There's another individual named Fidel Suarez, who's another trafficker.

He had met Meach while they were in county prison. And then a DAA agent Kromer, and this guy stays really busy throughout this, doing a lot of extracurriculars throughout this thing. And I am looking down here, if anybody asks, because I have a lot of notes. It's really easy to get lost in the weeds in this. So Cuffy has come out and said that Meach got him busted

so he could get a time reduction, meaning Meach get a time reduction. The problem with this is none of the stuff that is in all these indictments that is in what you can find online proves that. He didn't even get arrested for that deep. that was set up. He was hooked up with Fidel I mentioned earlier, Fidel Smares. He was hooked up

eventually to do a deal with him. He winds up getting arrested for something totally different. But as his lawyer is doing the due diligence on things, he uncovers a lot of stuff that we're going to get into. Now Fidel owned a trucking company, which is obviously a good way to transport narcotics, which is probably why him and meech got to talk in the first place when they were in county. He was arrested, and I'm talking about

Fidel. He was arrested in 05 and 09, investigated, but never charged. Like I said, the claim here is that he set up to get a time reduction through the third-party cooperation using Tammy Cowen. Now, we'll go over what really happened. And this is where a lot of people were going on TikTok and YouTube and they're saying, oh, they don't really know the ends announced of what really was said. They don't even really know what third-party cooperation is. Right.

Um, because Tammy was taking money directly. That again, right there just changes the old damn thing to first party cooperation. She's getting paying percentages of forfeitures. She's getting money from the EA agent Cromer. She's also getting dick from agent Cromer. He's, he's banging it down. So like I said, there's a lot going on here. Right.

Originally, Tammy, we'll give me a question. Do you want me to explain what third party cooperation? is absolutely yeah break it down firsthand i have an example of it there was a guy and i probably got five or six examples of it there was a guy that was locked up and um and in and the medium security and colman medium federal colman federal medium security prison with me and his name was scott so i'm not going to say his last name but he uh Scott had been dating uh this girl he called her the the Puerto Rican princess and Scott was Asian American so he's he's he's a half, he was half American half Asian six foot tall good looking guy right probably in his

early 20th when this happened. So he's dating this girl. He and his buddies are selling whatever, they're moving drugs. To be honest with you, I don't even remember what kind it was, what it was. I think they also, some of them owned some, uh, car lots and so like they were moving they were doing it was a look because most of these guys were Asian it was a very sophisticated operation right they get caught he gets 10 years now let me let me back up he's dating the Puerto Rican princess he one day he's been he dated her for a year or two they were living together one day she comes home he's gone he actually had been sleeping with her best friend her best friend and him move in together

And the Puerto Rican princess comes home one day. His shit's gone. She finds out very quickly he's living with her best friend. Puerto Rican princess is devastated. She packs all her shit and leaves. He didn't even know what happened to her. Maybe a year later, he said, we all get busted. Everybody gets busted.

Not the new girlfriend. Now, the new girlfriend that he had, she ditches him. She's gone. He's like, I think she came to see me one time. So he ends up taking a plea of 10 years. he gets like a mandatory minimum of 10 doesn't cooperate uh so ends up in the medium security prison with me he had done maybe two years he'd been locked up maybe two years and one day he tells me he comes back from visit and he's like shocked and i was like hey what's up how was your visit

i figured his mom came to see him or something and he says you're not going to believe this he said and he explains about the porto rican princess and he goes she just came to see me He was literally like a week ago, the counselor called him and said, some girl just got put on your visitation list says the name. He's like, wow, he never could, couldn't get in touch with her to even call her to be like, hey, what's going on? She just showed up. So he's like, he goes out there.

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Blah, blah, blah, right? You know, and he's shocked because he's like, listen, bro, I left this girl so cruel, like just ditched her. Never talked to her again, nothing. So he goes and talks to her. She's crying, everything. And while they're there, she says, listen, I know a couple of guys.

This one guy really likes me. He wants to date me. He's a big time drug dealer. And he says, okay. And she's like, look, I'm going to, I'll do the rest of the time with you, but I got, I want to get you out of here. And he's like, how's that going to happen? She says, I know a girl that knows a DEA agent.

She told me that if I, if I help the DEA, they'll give you a time cut. Like they'll, they'll go in front of the judge. They'll say this guy had somebody out on the outside, help us. We didn't pay her because she said it's very specific. I can't get paid, but if I help them, they'll give you a cut. They'll recommend to the prosecutor that they reduce your sentence. And he says, of course, this is what he said to me, by the way, in a medium security prison surrounded by like another guy that was very, we were all very close. It was me and him and another guy named Mike.

And he's like, you know, I told her not to do it. I told her absolutely not. But, man, can you believe that? That's what she wanted to do. And I'm like, oh, that's crazy, bro. And I'm like, so when do you think? you'll be leaving. He's like, no, no, I'm not going to do that, bro. I'm not going to do that. I was like, okay. So maybe a few months later, he says, man, bro, she's doing this. Like,

I told her not to, but she says she's doing it. She's already talked to the agent. She's already hanging out with this guy, going to parties. Like, I told her not to do this, but she wants me out. She's in love. Whatever. You know, what's so funny is like, this guy, you know, he was shocked because of how he left it, right? Like, you just, he's gone. He's gone. So anyway, another three, four, maybe six months goes by. I go in his cell one day, walk in. What's going on? He's in there. Mike's in there. And, uh, and Mike looks up at me and looks at him and he goes, tell him. He's,

come on. And he goes, and he looks at Mike and he goes, bro, tell him. He's not going to say anything. He don't give a fuck. And I looked at him. I was like, what's up? He's like, but I just got my sentence cut. Because I'm, they're sending me to a halfway house. I was like, are you serious? He goes,

yeah, I'm, I'm going to be in a halfway house here. Very shortly. Literally within two weeks, he's packing his bag. He goes to a halfway house. This guy did three years on a 10 year sentence.

Damn. So they cut it what down to at least six or so? No, they probably cut it in half, probably down to five. Okay. Five plus a, good time because back then it was 85% good time so on five you're doing four four and a few

months but so we probably got six months maybe a year halfway house immediately boom right in back then you were people were getting a year so here's what's here's what's horrible about that story by the way he contacted me once I got out he saw one of my one of my videos and he was like oh my god he contacted me he's like what's going on i said what's up bro he's yeah bro he's a married got three kids runs a successful business doing kicking ass i'm like oh wow that's great i go so you you marry the the puerto rican princess he's like no bro that didn't work out like i'm like did you even make an attempt he's i think we used we saw each other for a couple months wow wow but look he's you know he's married to a beautiful woman whatever anyway it's like a perfect that's a

really good example because this girl got no money because I'd always been told by guys that I met in there that had tried this. I knew many guys who had done this. Like if the girl cannot accept money, you know, you can't because here's what happens. Technically, they probably could pay her something and you could get something. But here's what happens is you don't want to do that because the U.S. attorney, when they get in front of the judge, will use that against them. and that's that's kind of what happened here see originally before this the guy the DEA agent that took down the BMF operation

was a guy named Jack Harvey okay and there was there was some other players in the Atlanta area one of them was named Terry White I don't know the specifics of what he got Tammy involved in but Tammy and Terry were together they were sleeping together Tammy gets around she gets it in an FBI agent no no no Tammy is the handler remember for meeks

that handles his affairs stuff on the outside and who's she banging this guy does a drug trafficker named terry white okay okay he's another high-end trafficker sorry he is uh they're together and she turns him in to agent harvey because she says that he got her jammed up at some stuff with the drug trade by using her bank accounts for some houses or something like that i don't know the specifics of the the housing deal that they had going on but it was something where he used her money, her name, to put her name on some houses, but basically it was an association with the running drugs that he was in.

So she cooperates with Agent Harvey, and I think she got $55,000 for her cooperation in that. He paid her, it was a successful, whatever, Terry goes to jail, she gets that money. Harvey is basically done at this point. He retires. He just took down to BMF. You know, he's riding off into the sunset.

Right. Tammy at that point is done, but when Agent Kromer, who we spoke of earlier, he sees her name in the paperwork that she helped do that. So he contacts her, and in the in the affidavit that Pete sent me, or the transcript that Pete sent me, he goes to her and says, hey, we would like you to work for us. You've done an excellent job up under Jack Harvey. We want you to target like mid to high level Hispanic drug dealers.

and she goes, okay, what about maybe getting Meach a time cut? And in this report, he says, well, we'll have to look into that. He doesn't say, and I don't even think Meets told her to ask, this was just a spur of the moment conversation between the two. Now, she knows Meach, she's known Meach for a while. She's dealt with him, so she's probably doing that just to see if she can get, you know, a time cut for him, see what he says. He never even says, yeah, I'll do that.

He said, we'll have to look into that. Beach is not someone they want to let out of jail. They spend so much time putting his ass in jail. Here's the thing. I would think if I was a U.S. attorney, I would be like, absolutely. I'd let him out of jail, knock five years off his sentence or 10 years off. You let him out of jail. By that point, he's done what?

Once he's done like 10, 15 years, let him out and then let it leak that he did a third-party cooperation. And that would hit the streets and all the street guys would be like, dang, man, everybody's rolling over. Yeah, Big Meach rolls over. Like, there goes your street code. Not that anybody believes in it, but that's a way that's one of the reasons like when these mobsters end up

pleading, right? Like the U.S. attorneys want people to know he pled. Your buddies are rolling over on each other. It helps take down the entire operation when everybody thinks you can't trust anybody and if you get caught, it's okay to talk. Big Meach did it. Everybody's doing it.

I just talked about that. with jean when we talked i asked like what was the domino that fell in the mob and he was saying sammy because he was like he said that's the biggest PR stunt by the government ever sammy done 19 murders and he walked i mean he doesn't slight a few years in prison for that stuff we got he i think it was like four or five but he walked off 19 murders like you yeah yeah no i i hear you but you know you have to understand like that's short-sided on the on the u.s attorneys whoever whatever u.s attorney is it's short-sighted i'm not saying it's not true it's absolutely I'm sure it's absolutely.

You know, some of these U.S. attorneys, they just hate you. They get to a point they're disgusted with you. Even if you said, no, no, listen, this is better. This in the long run helps us more. They'd be like, no, fuck him. He doesn't get out no matter what. It's like, okay. So go ahead.

Sorry. I have a great example of that too, by the way. I have an example, but let me give you an example real quick. Go ahead. Okay. A guy named Kevin. There's a guy named, I'm not going to say his last name, although I think I've said his last name before he's a dick anyway he was locked up i think he got like 25 or 30 years let's say he got

let's say he got 30 he was running a financial a financial kind of scheme with his mother um they get busted he's like a a boy genius right like he's in his mid 20s 24 25 whatever and he gets busted so he fights it he goes to goes to trial and he's fighting it. I still remember the name of his U.S. attorney was Robert Mazaskowski, because I think he's the U.S. attorney now for the Middle District of Florida. So Mazakowski comes to him and says, hey, if you take a plea, we'll give you, you'll end up doing about three years. You cooperate against everybody, do about three years. He goes, fuck you. I'm not co-op. I'm not doing that. You don't have anything on me. I'm going to, I'm going to beat you at trial. Goes to trial. He loses. He gets 25 years.

They come to him and they say, look, two of your co-defendants are going to trial right now. Cooperate will get you, we'll get you down to about 10 years. He says, fuck you. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to beat you on my appeal. He loses his appeal. By this point, the co-defendants have gone to trial and they've lost. Now, his co-defendants, either one of his co-defendants or they were now appealing and they said, or they were getting a retrial or something, they come to him, they go, look,

one of them, I think, was getting a retrial. They go, he goes, listen, you plead or you testify at this. I'll get you down to 15 years. We'll go from 25 to 15. He said, Weeks goes, fuck you. I'm filing a 2255, which is another motion you can find, which says your, um, that your lawyer was ineffective. He goes, I'm going to beat you on my 2255. He loses.

The guy who has the appeal or the second guy going to trial, he also loses. So then Weeks is doing got stuck with 25 years he's got 20 I think he actually I want to say he had 30 So he had like let's say 30 years I want to say he had 30 because I think he had it was the only person I'd really met at that time that had more time than me at the first of all he's the only other person at the medium which is where I met him that had a financial crime like similar to mine so he's got 30 years he's doing 30 years he'd been locked up let's say five or 10 about 10 years by this point his sister comes to him and says listen I know this, I'm kind of seeing this drug dealer. I know this drug dealer.

He wants to start seeing me. What if I get him busted? Like he talks very openly in front of me. And he says, absolutely. So they, Weeks gets on the phone with a DEA agent. DEA agent promises, I promise you, I'll get you a time cut for this. Says it on the fucking phone and everything, which he can't do, by the way. It's not up to him to say that.

And agents are allowed to look you in the face and lie to you. So he tells him this on the phone. That's why most people ask for things in writing. Correct. So he then, his sister ends up and busting this, getting this guy busted for drugs, right? And I mean, when I say a boatload of drugs, I mean, literally like, like the Coast Guard grabbed him with a boatload of drugs, you know? So they grab him, this guy is going to get a life sentence. he ends up he ends up going to trial loses whatever it gets like a life sentence or 30 years or 45

years whatever it is Kevin ends up saying going to the the DEA agent DEEA agent says look I call the prosecutor they don't want to give you anything so but you promised me he's like I know you know so weeks files what's called a a motion for specific performance which means I did what I was supposed to do you have to do what you're supposed to do or you could call it a motion to compel So compel the government. So files the motion. Robert Mazzikowski fights it. Weeks loses.

He loses on appeal. And Mazzakowski literally what he says in the paperwork. I've read the paperwork on this. Literally says, I'm just going to say Kevin. If Kevin were to, or he's like, I'm aware of what happened. He's like, if, let me be perfectly clear. if Kevin, this is before Osama bin Laden got caught.

He goes, if Kevin gave us the location to Osama bin Laden, he does not get one day off of his sentence. And he says it's in the motion. So, and that was it. He never got a thing, right? Like, you know, some of these guys, they just hate you. And keep on, the U.S. attorney knows this the whole time. He's just using this agent and using his sister.

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like it's not what you said it was you know anyway regardless so regardless yeah like i mean this is this is not uncommon people you know they think it's uncommon it's not uncommon to do third party cooperation and it's also not uncommon to get screwed out of it right and that's that's that's the big caveat here is that what what i think and we got more to dive into here but what i think happened ultimately is that tammy it's not unreasonable to think meech new Fidel from when he first got locked up while he was in county he had knew Cuffy for years

prior and he's now known Tammy and trusted her enough to do the life rights Cuffy and Fidel do wind up doing a drug deal so it's not unreasonable to assume that Meach somehow put that in motion and everybody wants to say well you know he

ratted on him whatever he didn't that don't mean he's a rat it means he's a fucking drug trafficker that's what he's in jail for right he does what he does he put two players in contact with each other maybe he was supposed to get money whatever the point of that is and i drive that home is because that's not why cuffie was arrested he was arrested for something completely different that we'll get into they just found out about all this because when everything started crumbling down coffey's lawyer filed a motion and she seemed to where originally tammy was saying that

meech knew about all this they knew about the cooperation that he wanted a time cut. Then Coffey's lawyer drops the bombshell that they're having the affair. And so then that says Tammy into a panic mode because she knows Meach has no fucking idea this was going on.

Her life was being threatened all types of shit. And then eventually, after everything starts to come out, she goes to Meach in prison, tells him what happened, and Meach tells her basically and it's in the indictment or in the, the report, it says, look, keep my name out of this shit.

Now, that's not saying the way, when Cuffy calls people from prison and he's got a number of interviews online, he makes it seem like he was like, you know, just make sure you keep my name off the paperwork. I didn't know what he said. Right. He said, keep my name out of this shit. Probably because if he did help facilitate this drug deal, he's like, look, I'm in prison doing a 30 piece.

So at the time he was doing a 30 piece, I get hit with this. It's probably going to be another 20 years. Like keep my name out of this shit I don't know whatever you're doing I don't want to be I don't want my name anywhere in it Whatever deers you're cutting on the outside I don't want to be anywhere in it

Because he's about to get more time He's probably gonna die in prison at that point Yeah I'm sure I don't know if Pete It mentioned this during yours But we know a guy that Once again I do not know exactly what the time is But a guy who got like five years And his cellie was getting out

And he did he'd lost his connect And so this guy's like Oh you need to connect for he was like for he's like yeah yeah my cousin he's comes you know he can hook you up these guys or mexicans in the u.s hands it to the guy gives him the fucking gives him the number and then so when the guy gets out he calls the cousin they do a couple of deals will the deals turn into blow deals now they're shipping blow a couple of years later they both get indicted and he's now looking at like 15 or 20 years for the blow deals and when they of course when they start

They're like, well, how do you guys even know each other? Oh, my cousin in prison hooked us up. They indict the cousin too because they're saying you facilitated this deal. You gave him the phone number. You knew it was. He's like, I thought it was for weed. It doesn't matter. You connected to drug dealers.

And that was it. He ends up taking a plea for another five or 10 years for giving a name. Didn't get any money. Just like, oh, yeah, yeah, he sells, yeah, he'll hook you up. Boom, that's it. It's over. Yeah. So go ahead.

Sorry. And that's how easy it can happen. Now, per this indictment, Cuffy and Suarez talk on the phone regularly through 2012. They even had their phone bugged at one point because what's ironic about this is Tammy didn't tell Agent Cowan that this was going on, obviously. She's getting paid.

She's getting kicked back. She's getting bang. She's good. She's kind of protected in the sense of she's got the DEA agent where he wants it. Right. Suarez calls Tammy's phone while she's with Agent Kromer asking, hey, I'm trying to get in touch with Cuffy. What's going on? So Cromer hears it.

And he's like, keep it going to be able to get something to use to justify, you know, paying her all this fucking money. Right. So he starts putting that in motion, like, all right, keep it going, keep it going. Now, March of 2015, like I said, that's when Coffey's lawyer, uh, got the tape that Tammy and the DEA Cromer were, we're having the affair. Now that opens up a whole can of worms because you're not supposed to be sleeping with the informant. Then that opens up other investigations, like other people can come up for retrials. I mean, it's not good.

Yeah. When that comes out. Yeah, it's, they frown on that. It makes all of your cases now suspect. Yeah. And like I said, she was getting the. payouts. I think she got around 200 grand, but there was no results given up until this point. Now, there's another lady. Tammy in this indictment is listed as CS1, which is confidential source

one. There's another one listed as CS2, which is confidential source two. We don't know who that is, do we just know it's a female. And some of these reports, CS2 was getting the results, and CS1, who is Tammy, was getting the payments for it. So I, don't know if on the paperwork you know agent cromber's putting that she got the results to keep this whole thing going but two was doing all the work one who was tammy c s one who is getting the the kickback for it so it's that's another dynamic of where shit's going on a little shady on the DEA side of things and that said that like i said meech set up uh the meeting between swarres and coffee from prison this is obviously for monetary gain um you know who knows if that

happened. There's not any dead set proof that happened, but I would say more than likely if he knew them all, they had to get connected somehow or another. Fidel and Cuffy did not know each other prior to this. Somebody put them in contact with each other. You would be reasoned to think it was probably Meach or Tammy through Meach

somehow, some way. Right. Now, Tammy at this time is also dealing with Cuffy for the BMF business deal rights. They're trying to put something in play to do a documentary or to do a movie. So they have a relationship you know that's outside of the the trafficking game so to speak and i think from

what i read she he even asked her like do you know anybody that can move prada now maybe that was how that whole thing originated maybe somehow she asked mitch and mitch was like holler fidel you know i don't know but comfy by all counts seems like a guy that wasn't on mitch's level i don't know 100% about everything he was operating with in st louis but it doesn't sound like he was on Meach's level. Suarez reached out to Tammy to check on Meach. I get, because they knew each other to see how she was doing. He knew she was still in contact.

And then pretty soon they start doing the deals. Now, like I said, when they're talking on the phone, the phone gets bugged. They know everything is happening. They already know. Now, at first, Tammy testifies, like I said, that Meach set it up to get a time cut. That was in the very first. But then she comes back and she recants all. that after it comes out that she was having an affair with agent crumb she backs out of she backs out

of all that um let me see here comfy and swar as she even said that she never told the dea that meech was involved in any facet she never gave any direct and she was never given any direction to do so now when all this starts to come out she panicked like i said she's according to her she's getting threats on her life and all kind of other stuff and that's like a except when she goes to Meach. To me, that is very key when he says, keep my name out of this. And I know people gloss over that.

Cuffy's trying to spin it as he wants his name off the paperwork. But he would have no control if his name is on that paperwork. And the problem here, too, is if he does say, all right, we're going to do this up, we're going to set it up for me to get a time reduction. The fact that the shit fell apart, like you mentioned it earlier, I don't know what it was,

but he still held up his end of the deal. So he would still get it. the time cut now he might have to fight for it and file some of the papers you were talking about which he could say you know what if i do that everybody's going to know everybody's going to know right so you would just yeah yeah you would just kind of take it on the chin at that point because you're ruining what your your legacy is built on of not folding and not ratting or whatever so now c s i 1 is uh being treated at this point very differently by everybody else.

She's being looked at with a lot of different eyes, especially, I don't know what the dynamic is of her in Meach at this point, because if she goes and tells Meach that she's involved in all this, he's probably like very much wanting to cut ties with her and any of them at this point. Cuffy says that he sent Meach certified mail in jail, and he's like, man, I've known this dude for 23 years, and he didn't even respond, and I know he got it because he sent certified mail who the

fuck would respond to anything having to do with setting up a drug transaction? I don't blame Meach at all for not responding to that. Right. I mean, I don't know what was in it but he says it was like he sent him paperwork saying hey, did you know your name is in this about me getting set up

for a drug bust? Like I wouldn't respond to that at all. Meach is not a dummy by any stretch of the imagination. So I don't he's trying to use that as a way of saying he didn't respond because he's guilty. This isn't Facebook where people just reply to everything like that. Right.

There's some shit you just don't reply to it. So the bigger deal here is Cuffy finally gets linked up to Suarez. There's a whole other deal where he set up with this up. He was supposed to meet Suarez to get some. I think it was like two keys a blow. Something happened where that got lost and he didn't even have any money to buy it.

He then wants to get more keys from Switzerland. four ends. And that dynamic there is starting to fall apart. So even if it was supposed to be them too, that kind of dies on the vine. CS2, who I'm guessing is in the loop here and knows all these guys, she introduces Cuffy to a man named Martinez to do a drug deal. Unbeknownst to Cuffy, Martinez is an undercover cop. Okay. That is why Cuffy went to jail. It had nothing to do with Suarez or anybody that Meach may or may not have put him in contact with nothing at all what I think happened here is I think Tammy got into a relationship with his VEA agent they had to come up with some sort of reasoning of why she was getting vague

why she was getting these kickbacks and what better name to throw around because people know she is in touch with Meach then say oh well meech is helping so they go oh well you got is a bummer, run him up, do whatever you want to do. And what I think is she was using his name without his knowledge because he did not benefit in any way for many of this. Right. He's not in the paperwork in any way of any of this. I think she was using her, his name, because it's not, look,

she's obviously getting what she can from these drugs. The other guy, the first guy, Terry White, when he got her in any kind of hot water, she sold him up the river really quick. Right. She's obviously not the most trustworthy person. at this point Meach finally responded he put out a video the other day

in response to all this and it's on Instagram or if anybody Googled it you can see it where he said like it never told it, never folded, I never read it, you know, death before dishonor and I know that's not a very common thing especially in today's time but I do believe to him it is.

He just did all that time. Of course he even thought, listen some of these guys are absolute believers. Yeah. Joey Melino is a believer in that. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, you don't do 20 years to get five knocked off.

Right. Unless there's a situation where you want to get out of the season. Well, you might. Unless you're coming to your sentence. You might. But I think somebody like him is not going to do that. Unless there's a situation where you're scrummy, you want to get out and see somebody before they die or a close family.

The only reason I can think you're not going to do all that time, you know, bill your brain. brand on that and get out and for just a few years and that's the thing is he tried to get out as well on the medical situation like Terry but the warden even said like he still carried himself as a kingpin he had charges with cell phones he had charges with drugs that she didn't think he had shed any of the image that put him in prison so that's why they weren't letting him out and as I mentioned earlier there was some the weight guidelines changed and there was it knocked him from a 38 to a 36 which is what knocked his time down and

i don't really know what that means that's what pete said you might know better than me yeah yeah i mean you know yeah they they changed the guidelines for hey how much time you could get for a certain amount of weight and when the guidelines when you say wait you mean the amount of product they busted them with yes yes so they they changed those guidelines they said okay if you were caught with you know 50 if you're for 50 keys you get 25 years and then they changed the guidelines and They said, you know what, 50 keys isn't what it was 20 years ago. So let's change it if you got caught with 50 keys instead of 25 years. Let's drop it down to 20 years.

And then he got himself back in front of the judge. And they knocked off five years. Like that's something they just would do across the board. It's like the change. Guys were getting seven years off their sentence, 10 years because they just changed the ratio. Guys who are getting life sentences and now they're doing 25. I was never going to get out. Now I'm doing 25.

or you're doing 25 now you're doing 15 and they didn't do anything all they did was follow some paperwork in some cases they didn't even follow paperwork that the court just did it that's what people really need the key and the timelines are key in this because they don't add up

from what Cuffy is trying to say because Meach hooked up Suarez and Cuffy so they could deal with one another around September of 2011 how he did that I don't know it's not really important to the case or the matter which we're discussing,

which is them each cooperate through third party, which I believe that answer is no. So once they get hooked up, there's a transcript to where she testified that she did not enter into a 2009 cooperation agreement with the expectation of benefit. That's the one that we were talking about earlier when she had Terry White,

which that one was ran by Jack Harvey, the guy that put all the BML people in jail. But once she started, Once she got out of that, once Harvey retired and she started getting with Cromer, then, like I said earlier, she began to start getting payments. So that cancels out any third party cooperation immediately because like what we said, when you start getting payments, you can't get both. It's one or the other.

You can get paid to be a cooperator or you can get some time cut. So the story you alluded to earlier really proves the point is when she was saying, look, she can't get paid, but she can get his time cut. and in 2009 that when they put Terry wide away I think like I said it was around $55,000 that she got then she was contacted later to come back to doing all this Tam is really like the one of the most evil players

in this whole thing so somehow when the FBI showed up like after I've been locked up a few years they showed up to ask questions about other cases the agents were like listen if you know how are you for money we can put money on your books and I went absolutely not absolutely not like i'd already heard horror stories and then she said what about bringing she's like look i used to come to prison and see this guy in texas i would bring him like subway do you have

something you know it's a favorite food when i come i can bring it i was like absolutely not i don't want a soda like because my fear was like they'll do anything not to cut my sentence i'm not giving you the opportunity for the u.s attorney to stay up and say to stand up in front of the judge said yeah your honor like he wants this but we were putting four hundred dollars a month on his books he was getting paid for the information because that's what they'll be do so sorry go ahead you were saying no i mean i like to be able to get those insights to go along with this and that's really what everybody is gravitating towards now because cuffies in cubby's in jail he's in jail he's got a sentence and as his lawyer is trying to fight

this thing he's getting these things with that mention and what i think ultimately happened here is tammy used meech's name without his knowledge to try to cover up the fact that she wasn't really producing any results for Cromer. And then when it got put out, Cromer even had to take the stand with all this and he pled the fifth of course. I mean in truth, you know, he should have

been brought up on charges for doing all this. I mean, if he's giving her all this money and she's not producing anything, you know, what's really, what is she really doing other to getting paid to be a mistress? Yeah, no, that's pretty much it, right? Or maybe giving him a kick back or, you know, I

Yeah. I wrote a story about a guy who they were paying a DEA agent. He was fucking this chick who was running a pill mill. And he was going over there all the time and he's really protecting her. But what happens eventually is, you know, the special agent in charge starts saying to you like, you're always over at this pill mill. Like you're on the task force to bust pill mills. Like what's going on with this? You're always over there. Are you looking into this pill mill? And he was like, no, no, no. The woman that owns it is helping me build cases against. other pill mills because she used to be a manager at a couple other pill mills. And they were like, oh, okay. And that helps them for a little bit. But at some point, it's like, where are these cases that you're building? Right. And even with the situation with Cuffy, Tammy didn't get Cuffey jammed up. It was CS2, whom we don't know the identification of, that told Cuffy, hey, you need a guy.

I hook you up with Martinez, you know, and Martinez just happened to be an undercover time. Right. And that, which is why he got arrested. So that's CS2's doing to get him arrested there. That's not even CS1 to begin with. But I think Cuffy is getting these excerpts from these things from his lawyer. And he's trying to gravitate to anything he can do to maybe try to help get him out or what. I don't know exactly his mode of thinking.

But when you step back from this and you look at it logically, you can see that at the very worst, Meach helps set up the connection between Fidel Suarez. and comfy because he did know both he had known both for a while and he knew both to be in the trafficking game so that is that is probably accurate the statute of limitations is now on that it's been over 15 something years so even if he come out to mar and set it which i don't think he would he wouldn't admit it but even if he come out tomorrow and said it they can't do anything to him about it right and that kind of brings us to where we are now the backlash of 50 saying this is 50 does is everybody if he don't like you he annihilates you through social media like he didn't like jarul and he would

always clown jarul i think he wound up buying murder inks whole catalog one time jarul put a concert on somewhere and the tickets were on groupon and he bought all the tickets that they had for sale just so nobody would show up like he is the ultimate troll yes oh it's horrible it is i mean imagine He's probably excited. He's like, oh, the show's sold out. And then he goes on, he's like, nobody's there. Unless people got the tickets before 50 got him. There might have been a few people there.

Well, it's childish in general. Like, what do you care if this guy, what do you care if this guy takes a picture with Rick Ross? Like, you don't like him? Like, he bumped into him. They took a picture, put it up. Like, come on. What, I can never associate with anybody you've ever had a, I'm supposed to keep up with your beefs. Come on.

come on. It's silly. It's more like you're using this as a way to get out of our business agreement. And that is also what I've been thinking about because from what that text that Little Meach sent, 50, which 50 posted, was that Ross give him his pop some money

to keep him afloat. Now, if 50 is benefiting from this BMF series, why was it 50 giving him the money? The concert is supposed to be a benefit for Meach to get all these people. people there. Now, I'm not, I'm not 100% sure on this. I've heard that a lot of acts are now pulling out of the concert. That, one, I think I talked to Pete this morning. He said

he heard the concert was completely canceled because of everything that's come on. But this opens up the door for 50 cent to be sued heavily by Meach, if he would do that? Because now would you bring it out these allegations that they turn out to be not true? And then he didn't have anything to do with it. You've now damaged his man's reputation that he's built. You've now cost him financial gain that he was going to get off this concert. If he's really

playing a dangerous game with this one, because if he don't know for sure it was true, then there could be ramifications for that. Yeah, he could sue him. Yeah, 100%. You know, he couldn't really, J'Ruhul, that was just more or less

like a rat beef between him and J'Rul, but this is different. And what's interesting to me is if he knew he obviously had to know tammie there's no way you're telling me you just found out about all this after you've seen him taking a picture with rig girls you had to know all this anyway right you didn't see a picture with rick and then start investigating and find all this out quick all this come out within the last seven to ten days i don't know when you're putting this out but within very recently so that means that 50 had to know about this alleged

cooperation. He still put forth a production of a TV series highlighting his life, using his son, benefiting great monetarily off of it, and now that Meets took a picture with somebody that you hate and have hated for a long time, now all of a sudden he's a rat. That is where I have the biggest issue with this. It's okay that he did it if you're making money off of him and nobody knows it. But the second he does something that you don't like now he's a rat you don't need to deal with yeah absolutely it's very convenient right and and nobody's looking into what really happened other than pete um

he's the only one who will go and say hmm i'm going to pull the transcripts and read all these transcripts and all these motions and all this and put this again out my phone's been going on for the last 48 hours which he's great like he gives good information he highlights the parts in the transcripts to send me. And I probably still didn't do it as good as he did, because he broke it down really well on my case. Some of the things that we found out after me and him done our show, which come out

earlier this week, was that the identification of CS2 was another woman. We didn't know that. We still don't know who it is. That's hidden. You can't find that out. Here's the thing. Pete will do the research and find out what's really going on. And the problem with that is that Pete thinks that

that's important. He doesn't really understand social media that people want this to be true people want to hate big meech listen like i i i cooperated my case right so like i i'm one of the first ones to be like yep told you everybody does it told you but i don't think he did cooperate and and she's like joey merlino i have lots of horrible things to say about that guy he's not like i'll say all but but it's true what i'm saying is true like he's not a rat he would not rat i think if you gave him 20 years he'd go up fucking looks like i'm want to be walking the track for 20 years like that's it he's just not going to they some of these

guys are just diehard are they idiots absolutely they're idiots but that's their their moral code and that's what they've decided on and and and you know and i'm not going to lie and say oh they this and he did this and listen i'd love this to be true but after what you've said and what pete said like it sounds to me like she was thinking i could get this due to a time cut probably thought i can make some money on it i can you know i'll do this because the last time i did it i did it for no reason at all right they gave me but pete had told me or sorry that they had given her 50 gram but she initially entered into it just because she was pissed that the guy was using her was laundering through her account yes they did right and then they said you know what it's

worked out so well and you did it for nothing we're going to give you 50 gram so the second time they said hey we can pay you and she said what about this instead let's let me get this guy big meech because she's friends with them she's representing him she's thinking if he gets out i could probably get this deal done you know like and how how how how loyal would this guy be if i get 10 years knocked off his sentence so her throwing that out there without his knowledge i absolutely believe that without a doubt and the dynamic now is why tammy's even entertaining you know talking with 50 and doing all this is now that mitch is out he wants his life rights back and Tammy owns them or at least I think Tammy owns them I don't know who owns them

but at one point in time Tammy was handling the business of it 50 made very well on him now and that's what we were talking about earlier if 50 bought the life rights from Tammy to be able to do bmf essentially he's got a big head start over meech of what can be done with that name now mish can still do his own thing about his own name but as far as using that bmf he's going to be very limited now of what he can do to fight this i don't know who has the life rights specifically i've not found that out i don't think pete has either but if 50 has them it's going to be much more difficult for meech to fight this because he essentially holds the key to the whole brand that he built and the the empire that he built that eventually did wind up coming down so one i i believe

that you're right hey for him to get them back is difficult but for him to sue $0.50 for, you know, for slander. I think that's reasonable. Like, I can see you for slander, like, because what you've, you're now coming out in social media. You're destroying my image. You're, you're saying things that aren't true. You're not looking into it. And you're harming me in the long run. Like, so he's opened, like you said earlier, he opened, in some ways he's opened himself up to litigation. And other ways, he's perfectly within his rights. I own your life rights. I say, and, and I said I'd make a series. And I did. And after a couple seasons, we weren't happy with it anymore and we canceled it. And how, I mean, like, at 50 has always been that way. Like, he's always been petty to a certain degree. But that is just extra. Like, if you're doing this guy's TV show, you're employing his son. Like I said, I haven't watched it from one.

I understand everybody seems to enjoy the show. And because he took a picture with a guy you don't like, you're canceling all that. Yeah, come on, man. What are you doing? Like, that's just childish. It's. And, but my biggest. issue with that is like I said earlier he knew all the stuff about the alleged cooperation

he probably knows the truth he's been in that game he's he's read documents i mean he knows when somebody cooperated and when they didn't he knows if somebody gets out early he's he's not not from that life in that that area right i don't mean geographic area i mean just like that area of you know enterprise what they do he was you know doing that in new york he probably knew it was all BS but now if I'm going to end this BMF show with him what do I have to

replace it monetarily I'm going to get Tammy to come over here and do a tell-all documentary about what Meach did why he was locked up. You replace one cash cow with another although I think the BMF series would have had more longevity

you're still got now something coming that's going to draw interest to keep the fans watching what you're doing and then you still paint me in a bad light well you know this is a thing too you don't know what the numbers are on that show maybe the show wasn't doing that great and it's possible you know or and keep in mind too everybody's you know when people come up and talk to me not that i'm you know making i don't not that i own a production company i'm making movies but i'm saying when people like you they hear you've written some books or you know some producers that they're always like

bro i got an amazing story bro this is a movie this is a series man this is you're never going to hear you're not kind of believe this you don't get stop it stop listen i can tell you right now for every tv show that is a series or movie that gets made there's a thousand amazing stories that could have replaced it like the last thing that that 50 cent has an issue with is new material he's got stacks of amazing stories sitting on his desk so it's not like it's going to be hard to replace this show with another show, you know, I mean, he fell out of favor with big meat or the show. And for some reason, he went ahead and said, hey, I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to do a scorched earth policy with this guy. And I'm going to say that he's a snitch. And I'm going to use this chick to,

you know, to back it up. And, you know, that's it. Who knows what her benefit is? She may be getting a check. Who knows? I think she got herself caught up in the stuff that was so dynamic that she was worried about her life because she's got all these people she's essentially turned in terry white she's got coffee in jail because she kind of pushed him to c s2 put him in contact with martinez now she's got meats that's not really bigger anymore because she almost got him jammed up while in prison with a whole other drug case by doing that and i mean like you know people when you're in jail like it's very hard to have a candid conversation unless you're just paying all people to get a room that's not bug it's very hard to have a candy conversation

in jail to discuss anything. And the only way you can get around is that's your lawyer and that's not, it wasn't his lawyer. So like, I mean, every phone conversation you have is tap, every letter is read especially with somebody like him. You don't have the privacy to sit down and facilitate

a long-term drug deal plan. Right. It's not something that happens. Yeah. And you would know better than anyway. What you said a minute ago about the movies being made, I always tell people there's two guys that have there's movies are made about their life,

then it's very difficult to get a movie made. And that's you and Michael Dow. Yeah, it's insanely difficult. It's insanely. And long, it takes forever. And, you know, you're more a series. Yeah.

I hear you, but that's, we tried the series route. That didn't work out. Now we're trying for the movie route. We've got, we're talking, talking to,

um, screenwriters again. We already tried to write a screenplay, tried to go that route. that didn't work out now we're trying to go for the the movie route which of course is going to chop a significant amount of my story um out but whatever you know the whole thing is they're like look you do a movie and then maybe if the movie is successful you we can maybe then get somebody interested in doing a series so you know listen I'd like to see something get but I something get done

but I've listen I'm so I'm so jaded by the whole thing so we'll see. it's a long process man like you said i hear people all the time say this should be a movie and all that and i'm like look the guys that i know the stories that they have if there's isn't on a movie screen by now like i've got no faith and some of the things that come out are shit complete shit oh yeah yeah yeah i can't tell you how many times i've been sitting there thinking they made this for a hundred million dollar budget but they can't take 40 or 50 million and make mine you could make two movies like mine yeah you'm saying like like for this and get make even more money like it doesn't even make sense like you and unless they're paying like a i don't know if leonard or capra would be the best choice since he's already didn't catch me if you can but unless they're paying like a high named valued actor to pay you i don't think they would need that much money they could probably shoot your movie for 10 million maybe 20 million at best i mean i i hear yeah because it's not like i they it's not like i'm i'm a superhero not you're not blowing shit up and you know all this crazy stuff you're just you're scamming people yeah yeah you need a

empty bank and you can film a lot of scenes. Stuff you did. Most of it done in an old closed up a Wachovia bank or something. But you do need a main character with charisma to match yours. And that would be the It's going to be hard.

It's going to be hard to maybe that's the problem. Who can pull this off? Yeah. And he can't be taller than five foot six. Yeah. It's really limited. you know I'm proud of you

I'm proud of you know a lot more people involved in this story than we did when we last covered our our ditty story which I don't know what constitute is going viral these days but that almost got a million views so that's pretty good I know bro it's just shy of like a million and just stopped I know so upsetting

each I really weren't a million yeah yeah I I uh Yeah, I do. I'm proud of myself. Yeah, I mean, the only reason I was when I was locked up and guys were like, yeah, yeah, you know, you know Southwest or whatever his name, they were calling him. And I was like, no, they're like, bro, that's Big Meach's brother. I'm like, okay, I don't know who that is. And then they're like, and I was like, you know, black, uh, BMF, you know, black mafia family.

And I was like, you never heard of the case. And I was like, no. And so I had a guy break it down for me in like two or three minutes, you know, because it's not that difficult to break it down. It's like they were huge, massive. They were making hundreds of millions of dollars. And then when they got busted, they, they know, you know, they didn't cooperate. They took a plea. They just walked in and said, we're not going to say anything about anybody, but we'll all plea.

It will take 30 years. And they were like, so everybody just thought that was the most gangster thing. And they totally respected this guy. And so, and that's really how I knew. And then so then over the years when I would hear BMF, Big Meach, I at least had a reference where a lot of the stuff that you've talked about, like I have no reference. I don't know who these people are. You didn't know a lot of people in the Diddy. And Diddy has come out swinging with $100 million lawsuit to NBC.

Oh. So whoever, who owns Peacock, NBC? Yeah, I think so. A $100 million lawsuit to them, a $50 million lawsuit to Courtney Burgess, Ariel, I don't know our last name, the lawyer, and News Nation. and this is this is diddy not i thought that was the um so this is ditty this is ditty i don't know why i thought this was uh porter's kids now quincy you're talking about it's yeah no the others now this is diddy himself from jail so i don't know what's going to be covering these things and you know

what's going to happen with them we'll kind of have to keep an eye on that but you know you and our i'm sure from this video we're going to be called uneducated country boys that are cultural vultures Culture Volta. That's my favorite. The favorite is culture vultures. Like, don't watch. Like, watch something else. There's lots of good shit on Netflix, bro. Like, there's lots.

Listen, I watched two documentaries. I told you I was sick. And this morning I woke up. I watched two great documentaries on serial killers this morning that were on, they were on YouTube. They were great. Watch some crime and entertainment. Yeah.

Yeah. I just, the mobsters, you know. Gene was the first. I don't know a while, though. Not that it was on purpose, but I've kind of had a big gap in the organized crime guys. Well, I interviewed Gene yesterday, too. He was, you know, he's, he is, I'm telling you, he's all jacked up. He's all fucking energized.

It's you, he, you could tell the whole time you're trying to explain something or talk. He wants so bad to jump in there. He's waiting for an opportunity. You can't give him any, you can't take a breath and let him jump in the holes. Yeah, but it's. get it out there and then he and then it's like okay i've got it out there there's the question gene and now i need to respond and then immediately he just starts going uh it's entertaining the man does numbers yeah yeah he does no he does i told you the last time

he was on when he was walking out the door he goes uh how many subscribers you got i think i had like a hundred thousand or 200 000 i think i got 100 000 he looked at me and he goes yeah this will get this is going to get you 200 000 200 000 views and i went i thought this fucking cocky motherfucker and guess what within two months three months it had 200,000 views i knew that was going to do good for you because the video we did about the gene and joey beef originally and michael francis beef that got 200 000 views just me and you talk yeah so i knew what jean come on there was going to do another you can see why people do gravitate to this bob genre and this kind of stuff lends itself what we've talked about today lends itself

of that too because they modeled themselves a lot after like, you know, I mean, black mafia family. So there's a lot of parallels. You know, the hip-hop community has always embraced movies like Scarface and good fellows. You know, you talk about Irv Gotti, who just recently passed

away, but he was behind Murder Inc. Murder Inc. was a group facilitated of mobsters that went around killing people. All of Ja Rule's music videos are in the, you know, late 90s or when he was real popular early 2000s they were excerpts and re i guess remakes of famous movies like scenes of it were from movies

like goodfellas and and things like that so there's always been a a parallel of those two worlds and i think the key thing and we can we can kind of close out with this the key thing here is going to be watching what if he does with that documentary with tammie how he's going to approach then what Meach does in return is meech so much of a a street guy that he wouldn't dare to try to get a lawyer and sue 50 because now you're really damaging this guy's credibility to make money and i do think meech is always one of these guys that would rather stay silent than talk for obvious reasons but now it's different now you fuck with this livelihood of going forward you took that 20 years or it was supposed to be 30 you took that 20 years to come out and and go forward on the stance of, hey, I never rolled, I never rat, I'm as solid as they come, you know, never fold, death before dishonor, all that that you believe in wholeheartedly. And now it's diminished. Yeah.

The problem is guys like that aren't used to suing people. They're used to handling it in another way. But you have to understand. He also just did 20-something years. So you just did 20 years. Like you can't get out and still behave that way and not expect to go back to prison. So you'll get yourself a lawyer. start a law you know and file a lawsuit like like it'll all come out and i'm i'm really curious

i haven't heard much uh from terry since he's been out or terry's you know opinion on all this i don't even know if terry and meech's or spoke i don't know if they do speak that's an interesting dynamic there i think they were because they obviously they were in two different prisons uh i think they were passing they were somehow another passing notes because is when you're talking about the or passing messages because when you're talking about 50 cent when the negotiations were going on, I remember I, you know, the guy, my buddy, they called them K, Kay, who was writing that book for Terry, for Southwest, when he was writing that book, he would come and say, well, he just told me this.

He just told me they're selling, you know, Meech is selling his life rights to 50 cent. He's got a production company. I remember I didn't know that. Like, I didn't know 50. This was 10 years ago or change or more. So I don't know. I'm hearing all this little bits and pieces. And I remember this.

After another year or two, I remember him telling me that Meach was irritated because 50 cent had not paid them yet. And they were supposed to have gotten a check like a year earlier. And he kept, 50 kept putting it off and putting it off and putting it off. And I remember thinking, you know, that that was that was fucked up that, you know, wow, you know, these guys like that if you, you can't, you know, you can't not pay people. So. So what, what ended up happening, though, at some point, obviously they, they rectified that. And a lot of people, they think, oh, I sold my, you can option your life right. No, we're going to make a movie. And then you think, great, when do I get paid? And they go, well, wait a minute. Like, we got to get the budget. We got to start production. There's a lot that you're going to be one of the last people to get paid. Yeah. An option in your life rights is something that can be done multiple times. Right, right. Just because your life rights is optioned does not mean you're going to have a movie deal. They've optioned the life rights to pitch it, to shop it,

and then if it gets picked up, then if it actually goes into production and becomes something, yes, then, you know, there'll be something to talk about monetarily. But, you know, I spoke with Dowd a few years ago. It was in New York. And I think at the time, Ben Stiller, on the rights to his movie, which have been played a bad guy he looks a lot like microdial that could probably be a good role for him yeah um but at the time he hadn't done anything with it and he said i'm waiting he told me at the time it was like next august or something like that he's like it's gonna be up so if he don't do anything

with it i'll get it back then when you get it back you can sell it again yeah there's been guys that sold him multiple times i think you've sold him multiple times yeah i've had one thing was option four different times i've had another couple that have been option like three or two different times like because i've written a bunch of anybody watching like i've written a much of true crime stories and i've optioned the rights to those true crime stories so i've been a part of you know five or six really be honest it's like a dozen to be honest but those were optioned once and the option expired but i've been a part of maybe another four that have been optioned multiple times so the idea that you're going to somebody they optioned your story man i've had a dozen of these

things optioned none of them have ever turned in anything they've never gone anywhere and these people have done a it's not like these production companies aren't doing work like there's a significant amount of work that happens after they option it they're they're getting screenwriters they're they're having meetings they're going you know they're they're going to breakfast and lunch they're making phone like they're doing a significant amount of work on these things and it just doesn't pan out you know it's not that the stories aren't good it's that you know everything has to align perfectly and then these actors are a nightmare to deal with look at the blake live thing like that's what a what a catastrophe that is like and that's blowing up in her face now

yeah she was trying to get him jammed up now it's kind of blowing looking bad on her i mean her and taylor swift weren't talking man i don't know what we're going to do about i listen i cried myself to sleep last night i was so glad philly beat the shit out of kansas city of that super bowl i'm just i'm just sick and tired of the new bemo v i porter master card is your ticket to more more more points more flights more of all the things you want in a travel rewards card

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V-I-Porter to learn more seeing Taylor Swift on NFL Sunday every time I come on I hope Travis Kelsey retires I mean how many times can you be on the wrong side of an argument or an issue over and over like maybe you kind of got to sit back and say I need to reevaluate my situation here maybe at some point I'm the problem yeah maybe just because I can sing a rhyme doesn't mean I know everything maybe I'm just a good singer

and I'm popular and I should not talk about politics or put my nose in and things that I don't really know like you'll you ever hear me talk about uh the stock market no never never you know why i don't know shit about the stock market i don't know anything about it so somebody and i get emails and text messages from people like bro uh can i talk to you about this and i'm like i they'll ask crazy shit i'm like why would you think i would know anything about that like i don't know anything about like bro i'm looking at this stock and this is what's going what do you think what do I think I don't what do you I'm a fraudster I think you should ask a fraudster about the stock market so whatever so in close what do you think ultimately I think that this is as all this

is nonsense and that meech did not cooperate in any way shape form if in anything the only thing he did was set up coffee and fidel to traffic whatever they want to traffic narcotics whatever the case yeah that is only he had ain't even doing to do it. Absolutely. I think he slipped somebody a phone number and said, yeah, call this guy or whatever. Yeah, I know a guy. He's good. He's solid. That's it. I think maybe she at worst, she may have come to, what's her name again? Tammy Cowens. I think maybe Tammy came to him or spoke with him at some point and said, listen, I'm working on something right now. I might be able to get you out of, out of this.

At worst, he might have said, listen, keep my name out of that. I don't want nothing to do with it. If something happens, kind of like the guy I told you about, where it's like, look, I'm telling you, do it but of course if something came through he probably would have been okay with it like he probably said he probably said all the right things hoping maybe it comes through and i can say i didn't tell her to do that yeah that's at most what he did and then i the the problem is what she's saying like the paperwork nothing that she is saying backs up uh i'm sorry the paperwork does not back up what she's saying. Right.

It doesn't make sense that she's going to go on. Obviously, 50 cent is thinking about spinning this in a way that damages him. But once again, I think that that's going to be a huge mistake on 50 cents part. Well, that's what I like when you, people will say documentaries are going to favor whoever the documentary is for. So if somebody does a documentary on me, if I'm not a documentary on me, I'm going to favor it to where I'm not looked at as a bad guy. Right. somebody else is doing it on me and they don't like me they're going to favor it to where i'm a piece of shit yeah so when you do the documentaries it's always going to be favored to

whoever's behind the documentary so they're going to favor it to her and make me each look bad but i think the key of this whole thing the one thing that is solidifies that he was in no way benefiting from this is you can't have both you can't have a first party cooperation agreement where you're getting paid financially and getting percentages of forfeitures and assets and things like that and get time cut off from people. It's one or the other. You either got to take nothing and get the time cut

or you take all the other stuff. And if she did take all that, which is in court documents that she did, then there's no way they would have given Meach any time off, which would give him no reason to facilitate somebody getting set up from prison to be busted. That's not who that guy is. That's not in his character, his makeup, his DNA.

So that right there shoots the hole in Cuffy's theory. And he tries to make it seem like, well, once she was sleeping with him, once that got thrown out, the whole case come down. He was already in jail. Right. For dealing with an undercover cop, you're already in fucking jail because your vetting process was not good. I think Pete said that he was, he didn't have a plug at the time.

So he's trying to find somebody. And if you're supposed to be a narcotics trafficker and you don't have product to sell people, that's a problem for you. your business so you go hunting trying to scramble to find somebody your vetting process maybe isn't as in-depth and as good as it needs to be to make sure this guy's on up and up oh he does okay let me go maybe ask him a couple of questions okay you know that guy you know that guy yeah he knows him because he's a fucking cop so oh if he knows all these people i'm good does the deal lands in

jail that fucking mitch set me up mitch didn't have anything to do with that yeah oh listen i i i I wrote a whole story about a guy who was who was, he was pointing at multiple pieces, pointing this one guy saying this guy, this guy set me up. This is the guy that set me up. This is the guy that set me up and actually orders a hit and has that guy killed. Come to find out when all the paperwork comes out. Guess what? It wasn't that guy. That guy was not a CI. He did not set you up. You set you up. You were the one that got caught on tape talking. You're the one that got you yourself and other people indicted. And then initially he was upset about it. And after we thought about it for a couple of days he discarded all that said no no he's a CI they're protecting him that's what's happened they're they're not going to protect him he's not a CI you fucked up you had the wrong guy killed period like that's it some people just can't accept they're desperate to find an excuse just like I said people are desperate to blame somebody or believe something horrific about something some hero people love to see heroes fall yeah and they don't it's like people will always say you know there's no stand-up guys or no stand-up guys but if somebody is a stand-up guy they can't wait to see him

i told you he wasn't this or you know i knew he wasn't this so you in that actuality people don't want stand-up guys they really don't they want to see people fail yeah want to see people fold right just to say ah nobody does that anymore and half the people that are saying this somebody on the comments uh on beach show and it was like you know nobody knows who you are guy or something like that and i was like he was only one of the biggest narcotic traffickers in la a state where they actually move, you know, very large amounts of product, not somewhere in St. Louis. And I was like, it's just people, they want to, they want to downgrade other people so bad. When they're actually, that guy would probably rat out his own mother to get out of a 30-day ticket for a seatbelt violation.

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