Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Diddy Expert Explains Why He’ll be Released…

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

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I think he wins a trial. I think he's innocent. No way. How do you sleep at night? What you just said right there? P. Diddy. It's all frivolous? Yes.

He's really a good guy. He said, didn't say innocent? I said he ain't no R. Kelly. No, what I said is there's no underage women involved in that. There's been rumors of that, but there's no underage women, at least not in the indictment. Right? And so... What happened?

your shirt. You had another shirt on, did you? The one that says, free ditty? Yeah, I did lose it. Not the sweet guy that everybody thinks. And that shirt on the back says baby oil. Yes, see, see? But I'll bring my own baby oil. That's right.

Zach's shirt says. It says free baby oil. But free ditty and then free baby oil. So, no, what I think is if you get a bunch of consenting adults having freak offs, which I'm down for. I'm down for a freak off. Oh, my God. There's a mental picture for you.

Thank you. I listen to me. It would be, it would be, freaking off. It would be 1970s music to my, wah, wah, wow, with the big, with a big, well, not you, but the other people would have big afros. Yes. You wouldn't. You'd be clean shape. No, I'd have a big afro.

You could get a, get a wig. That's right. But, so I think. A freak, a freak, people, a consenting and a dog having a freak off is not a federal crime. Look, sexuality is. Isn't it funny? You can, you can film a, but you can't pay, and you can pay both parties, but you cannot pay a woman or a male to have sex. Correct.

But you could, but you could, but I can, but I could hire you to have sex if we video it. But, so what happens? to the guys that pay men to have sex with their wives, you know, as you, as, well, I have to if they don't video it and put it out, they go to jail. They get charged. But if they videoed it and they put it and they put it out on their only fans, then it's just it's acting. Really? Is it that much of a line when it comes to, hey. And so this is a lesson for all you people. Once you become a criminal, you actually pay attention to the law. Because you want to know when you're crossing that law. And you have open discussions about

what's illegal. Yeah, it's like if I had some guy who was getting in my car and he had a weapon on him, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, you can't, you can't bring the gun. No, no, I got to conceal weapons where, yeah, I know, but I, I, no. Really? Yeah, constructive possession. You think they wouldn't charge me with constructive possession if they could? And then what do they do? But if he has the conceal, we're going to get into the weeds. I'm not saying there's not an argument there. I'm saying if it was me or if it was you, are you telling me that you think Robert Mazakowski and your judge, what's your judge's name?

Whitmore. And Whitmore, you think they wouldn't be okay that you got charged with constructive possession because let's say he doesn't have, because nobody's got the concealed weapons thing is pretty much out in Florida anyway. You can basically walk around with your gun now. So let's just say he got in your car and he's got a weapon. Oh, no, he'd have to go. He's got to go.

Right, because specifically because, even though you're like, no, no, I didn't ask him to buy it. It doesn't matter. They can charge you with a felon with constructive possession of a gun because Colby's got it. Yes. What if they grab Colby and they say, me, oh, bro. That becomes their argument.

Yeah, all they need to do is coerce Colby into saying, yeah, he knew I had the gun. He told me to bring it. Like, that's it. I'm going to jail for three years. And if they find some drugs in the car, I'm going for five. If you got a little bit of marijuana, so marijuana, oh, no, you're going for longer. Your criminal history is off the chart. I'm going for five.

Your criminal history is on the way to be. But so that makes the whole point about P. Diddy. So I'm, he's having freakoffs or he's having what he thinks are consensual parties or orgies, whether it's filming or not. And what's happening is they're coming back and they're saying, you know, actually, some of that crap you did was illegal because a couple of people felt obligated or they felt like they were pressured because it's there's no right it's just maybe some people felt pressured you have to take that word out um go ahead oh my dang sorry I'm not sorry so there's no yeah he's not there's no force forcible assault is that better well what well what's happened okay I hear what

you're saying but you're saying so let's do it like this so you're saying in his mom mind. He's thinking, no, I just paid this guy to come in. He's not thinking, yeah, but you paid him to cross to come here and he's in another state. Because to him as a normal person, he's like, what does that matter? Oh, that means everything. Yes, it does. That you paid him to come here and have sex and you're paying him. That's sex trafficking. And he, of course, he would say, yeah, oh, no, no, I didn't. Oh, I didn't realize that. Realize it. You were. I know, realizing it doesn't mean anything. Well, that wasn't my intent. We're not in a state court. Intent is irrelevant in the federal system. You're done. You're done. Which is,

which, by the way, is completely unfair. So to me, it's like, if you do something by accident, I accidentally did not have the intent to do that, I didn't realize, I give me an example of this. There's a guy that's worked that worked in a chemical plant. Sometimes the trucks, there would be spillage, right? Like you're in a, let's say it's a fertilizer plant. I forget exactly what chemicals they were manufacturing, but they would fill up the trucks. And they take a hose, a big hose, and they got a whiz. Sometimes they fill them up and there's spillage. Okay. You're thinking, oh, it's just some chemical, some fertilizer. No big deal. Well, his boss you know, every day at the end of the day, says, hey, hey, bro, go go wash off the, go wash down the asphalt, the parking lot where the trucks go up, because sometimes they have spillage, and it's damaging to the asphalt, whatever, I don't want this green fertilizer sitting there, you know, it could stain or whatever it does.

Whatever the reason was, they would tell him to go do it. He did it for like a year. Right. He'd go out there with another. They had a hose. His boss told him to do it. He's spraying it down. Right.

It's just part of my job. I do a lot of maintenance around here. No big deal. Okay. Well, one day they had an EPA inspection, and the inspector was walking around, and the guy's out there hosing down the parking lot. And he says, what are you doing? He was, I'm hosing down the parking lot. He was, where's all that water goes?

He's, I put it in that drain. You know, they're one of the big square drains. He's like, oh, it's all fate. It all kind of tips towards the drain. And I just walk around. I walk it into the drain. And they're like, where does that go? Like, I have no idea.

Yeah, he's thinking nothing. I don't know. And they're like, oh, okay. Well, see, he leaves. He goes, he goes to the U.S. attorney. He says these guys are disposing of pesticides or not pesticides or fertilizer, whatever the chemical is, this highly toxic fertilizer into a drain. That drain goes out, and it's actually, that drain goes all the way out,

and it dumps into the river. No, not the ocean, it was a river, because this is like a museum. or something, right? Now, because it's supposed to, the drain is set up for rainwater. No big deal. So maybe a week, two weeks later, three weeks later, they go out and they take pictures of the guy doing it. They watch them for a little bit, and they arrest him.

They had to have tested the water. Oh, no doubt that, I mean, by the way, obviously the river that it's going into, it's got pollutants and stuff like that from lots of places. Not necessarily his, but just in general. A lot of rivers have pollutants just from fertilizer, whatever. But the point is, and even if it was perfectly clean. It doesn't matter. You're disposing of chemicals improperly.

That guy was charged. The hoser. The hose guy. The maintenance hose guy gets charged for improperly disposing. And, of course, when he talks to the FBI, they say, well, hey, how long are you doing that? They come to his house. They question him. He's like, yeah, what's up?

He doesn't think anything. He's like, yeah, what's up? He's like, let's go there. They're like, well, you know, we went to your job. We saw you were doing this. Like, how long have you been working there? Oh, about two years? Is that like part of your regular?

Yeah, yeah, no. I do it every day. You know, my boss is part of my, I do this. He names off all the things he does. And so what do you do? You go around the drain. You wash it into the drain. And he's like, yeah, why?

What's the big deal? And they arrest him. They indict him a couple of whatever a week later. And they arrest him. And he, of course, saying, hey, wait a minute. My intent was not to poison the environment. My intent was not to dump chemicals into the river. That was not my intent.

I was following instructions, and absolutely my intent was not to break the law. I didn't know it was breaking the law. So what do you think he did? If you were innocent, 100% innocent, you were a normal person, and you believe the propaganda of the home of the free, land of the brave, whatever that is, if you believe that in your heart and they charged you improperly, what would you do? You go to trial, right? Right.

He went to trial. He got out three years later. Three years later? Three years later. He got lucky and got three years because I'm sure they wanted to give him more. Because what they did was they said, okay, so you've just admitted for the last two, three, four, five years, how long you've been working there? Two years. You've been doing this every day.

How much spillage is there? How much chemicals did you dump and poison that? But where was his boss? Oh, I'm sure his boss was him. But I'm sure his boss took a plea. I'm sure he wasn't the only one charged. No, no. But his boss took a plea.

Of course. His boss said, I didn't know, I'll take the felony, I'll do one year probation, my bad. So they're saying we're trying to give you an out by giving, they tried to give them like a year. Probation, probably. Yeah, a year probation. But he said, do you, I didn't do anything. My intent was not to break the law. I didn't know.

And that's the problem with people. You think, if I didn't mean to do it, that the law is fair and you're just living a delusion. Yeah, absolutely. And it's funny you say that because... There's a false idea out there that credit monitoring or identity theft protection will protect your home's title from title theft. And that's simply not true.

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But, like, to me, the baby oil deal. It's inflammatory. Yes. And the fact that that leaked out means that they want to humiliate him. Really, they're now trying him. in the court of, to me, that was to get him tried in the court of public opinion. Yeah. Now, now it's time to have everyone making jokes and, you know what I'm saying?

Because most of the time, evidence list doesn't come out or why would you even include that in the indictment? You feel what I'm saying? Oh, no, because it's inflammatory. Yeah. Yeah, I've talked to guys that have, that are like, there's absolute, there is no reason to, and by the way, I think he's guilty of everything that's in there, in the indictment. But I do agree.

We can talk about that. That's why we're doing it. It's a podcast. This is content. But I, but the fact that you would. It's one charge, right? It's one charge, long indictment. Huh?

It's one charge. That he's the head of a criminal organization. Yeah, the RICO. Right. But I mean, they do break down the elements of RICO and that what he's, what he's guilty of. And I think he's guilty of all of them. You know, I, wait a second. So what I'm saying is.

The fact that they put that in the indictment and that they mention it in the press in the press conference, the press release also, is that you did it because you knew people would be, people would make the leap to think that you're a scumbag or you're a freak or you're weirdo. It was it was inflammatory. There was no reason to do that. It's like getting in front of the jury during closing arguments and saying, you know, this man made a fool of that, of this victim.

don't let them make a fool of you. Like, what are you doing? So you're telling them these people that if they don't find him guilty, you're cool. Like, it's inflammatory. There are certain things that are just inflammatory. You don't say it's irrelevant. It's not, you're supposed to lay out your case. You're not supposed to try and inflame me or make me angry and make me make a rush judgment.

It's like in your closing arguments, suddenly they start mentioning, well, you know, he's a bad person. and he's done all these horrible things. Yeah, but he's not charged for those things. He's charged for this. You're bringing that up to make me angry at him. So I'll convict him on this charge, which, by the way, at trial, you didn't prove. You just brought up all this other stuff. Red Bull, my buddy, Red Bull.

One of the things they did to him at trial, they sit him on the stand for like almost a day, almost a day, I think. And they go over every check he'd written over the last couple years. So this, this, just check when you went to Vegas, you had dinner at this restaurant, like, how much was that? Like, this is, this is, this is, this is $900. How many people were there? And he goes, well, it's just me and my wife. You and your wife spent $900. And he's like, bottles of wine, bro.

Right. And they're like, well, yeah, we had this and then, okay, well, I have a question. This is, you wrote this check for here. This is, this is $600,000. What was that for? And he's like, I bought a, I bought a rolls, you know. or I bought a whatever, Bintley, or Bintley. Like, I bought a Bintley.

He's like, they're like, okay. Well, did you trade in a vehicle? Well, I, yeah, what was, what was that vehicle? Well, I mean, I didn't trade it in. I had a vehicle. It was a, it was a 750 series. What was wrong with that? Well, nothing was wrong with that.

Did you sell it? No, I gave it to my, I have two cars. Right. You know, I gave it to someone, so and he starts talking about his, where, you know, oh, how much is your mortgage? Oh, okay. And it's, it's whatever. It's $10,000.

a month. He's like, $10,000 a month. They're like, how much is your house? They're like, well, it's a three and a half million dollar house. They're like, so it's only $10,000 a month? Well, no, I mean, I put money down. I don't have a big mortgage on it because you're sitting there saying, I don't have a big, your mortgage is $10,000 a month, but you don't have a big mortgage on it. No, why? Because I put $1.5 million down on the house. It's like they spend all day going over all these ridiculous fees that he, you know, paid $30,000 for this, $40,000. My vacation was $40,000. This vacation was this month. you're talking to a jury that they weren't even smart enough to get themselves out of jury duty.

And these are people that work at, like he's like literally the people on my jury, like one guy's a bus boy. You know, there are people on the jury that are unemployed, they're busboys, their secretaries, there are people that are struggling. And he has me blowing what more than their life savings, more than their entire, what they make an entire year, you know, on a vacation, on a three-day vacation. He's like, I mean, he's like, look, after five, six hours of that on the stand, he was, I mean, you know, it's devastating. So then you turn around and you do your closing arguments. They hate my guts.

He's like, when I was leaving the courtroom, because he had gotten bond, when he left the courtroom, he said, I actually passed one of the jurors. He's driving like a 15-year-old beat-up Toyota. Oh, yeah. He goes, and I'm getting into a $200,000 vehicle, boom, and drive off. in my suit, he's wearing a five or 10-year-old beat-up t-shirt and blue jeans, he hates my guts. And you only did that to make these people hate you. That's it. It's completely inflammatory, and the government lets it happen.

I mean, the court lets it happen. So I'm sorry, go ahead. That was just two examples of. Well, you know what that reminded me of? Did I ever tell you about the, when I was in college and I got in a car accident? and we were on the stand and because we're telling what happened. Remember, I told you the police.

I told you that. The police were chasing someone and they hit us. I never told you that story. You may have, but I probably forgot it. And nobody else has heard it. Yeah, no, you know there's other people here. Oh, sorry, you guys. There are people watching.

Well, the whole point of it is they... That's what I do with these, by the way. You get other... Colby takes these home and he cuts them up. And introduce... I'm going to make this as quick as possible. I'm in college. I'm writing with my friend Lee

and his girlfriend, Laura, and I'm in the backseat and we're riding along and we're talking and laughing and making jokes. The next thing I remember is an ambulance driver telling me

try not to move. How'd you get in the back seat? I was in the back seat. No, because I'm looking up at him. The car is sideways. I understand. And he said, he's telling me, trying not to move. So they're lifting me out of the car

and I'm like, what the hell happen. Long story short, we got hit by a police car that was on a high speed chase without the sirens on. Because I guess this strategy was to

make the person they're chasing, think that they're not after them anymore, come along the side street. Right. And they ran anyway, whatever, whatever happened, because I didn't see it. But according to Lee, is they saw the car, they're at a stop sign.

And as they're pulling out, the car is zooming along. And he tried to turn and the car side swiped us and flipped our car three times, the police car. Anyway, long story short, is they offered us like we got a lawyer. And as a settlement, they offered us like $10,000 a piece. Right? No. Exactly. So we're like, no, we're not going to take that.

And they're like, well, you don't want to go to trial. we're warning you, you don't want to go. And it's like, well, and our lawyers is, anyway, we had a crap lawyer, cheap, not Morgan and Morgan. This is, I guess, prior to the lawyers advertising, like, we'll get more money or whatever the situation was, the lawyer kept telling us, we probably need to take the $10,000. And we're like, no, we can, so we wanted at least $100,000 a piece. Anyway, we went to, we went to trial, and so the police got on the stand and said that they had the lights on. actually hit the horn, you know, they gave an exaggerated story like, I even

stuck my head out of the window and wave, please don't move forward. And we accidentally hit them in the car. And we're telling them that we're driving along and according to the accident, they hit us in the middle of a this is a four-way stop. Right. And they hit us in the middle of the crosswalk,

you know, and that's what happened. So after we, the police gave their testimony, when we gave our testimony, the prosecutor only asked all three of us one question each. And each one of them was an insult to our character. He asked the girl, Laura, he goes, last year, February, did you write H.E.B. A check for $37 that bounced, and you still haven't paid it.

He asked each of us one question. Like, he asked Lee, if he'd ever been picked up for smoking marijuana, yes. Yes. He told me that I had speeding tickets that had not been paid. I go, yeah, but I wasn't driving. He goes, Mr. Allen, you had a speeding ticket, blah, blah, blah. Have you paid that ticket? No, I haven't. And your license is suspended.

Is that correct? Yes. That's why I wasn't driving. So I was in the back when you were going to the officer hit us. And we lost. Oh, my God. They paid our medical bills and gave us. really what happened is I guess the government made a deal with the jury

and they paid our medical bills and gave us $1,000 each. The government basically said, look, these guys are scum. We've already agreed to pay their medical bills and give them $1,000. If you're not at fault, why would you pay my medical bills? And that's what was weird about the way the outcome of the trial, because they came back, the jury came back with the settlement of, we're going to, we've agreed that you will take that. offer and you're not going to get the

offer that you wanted of $100,000. It was a weird Texas trial however it's set up. Yeah. But the jury made the decision on which deal was going to be taking $100,000 and the medical bills being paid or $1,000 each and the medical bills being

paid. Right. And the jury said, yeah, we're signing with the officer. We feel like they probably gave you ample warning and the siren probably was on and you guys weren't paying attention. You know, like basically we don't believe you. we believe them. Right. Boy, it's too bad.

That would have been a different outcome if they'd have cameras back then. That's true. That's true. But they'd seen you in the back waving. Hey, he's out of the car. Don't hit. Don't hit up. So anyway, my point is the inflammatory to the jury.

Like what you're telling everyone to give them emotion. Because I remember thinking of myself like, you don't have any other questions. Like, I just gave 20-minute testimony. Right. of what we were talking about in the car and how we're driving and how, you know, because Laura was driving and, like, how she's a pretty good driver

and, you know, we've been friends this long. Like, I just gave a whole elaborate testimony. Mr. Allen, you had a speeding ticket and you didn't pay it. Is that correct? Like, I go, but I wasn't driving. Did you burst into tears? Oh, my God, you got me.

Run out of the courtroom doing the windmill. Yes, I'm a piece of crap. This is go. I lied. I lied. My favorite, Laura, cried when they asked her about the check. Like, did you ever pay that check? No.

Oh, my God. A $37 check of all things. Because you imagine, she breaks in the tears and says, I heard the sirens. Like, damn, you're good. You're good. You're good. You broke that. You broke her all the way down.

Like, a $37 check. Get out of my face. you're broke but yes inflammatory I think the baby oil dimension of the baby oil is all just to make people think less of him to promote

the thought of guilt right so what makes you think because when I look at first of all this guy's a record producer right and he's he does a lot of side businesses or promoting he's a record

I would say he's a promoter slash producer Right You know what I'm saying So promoting events Or promoting products Whatever he's doing He's promoting it

Right You feel what I'm saying Yes All right In my mind All celebrities have Have freak issues Sex becomes to them

Like eating Right It's very accessible It becomes and it becomes mundane. To anybody and just like they're saying, like all these women throw themselves at you. So you get the option of sleeping with multiple people.

Each celebrity sleep. I mean, in that level of life, sex is just, it's part of the reward. I think that's what Wade. Wade was like, you know, like have first it's like, hey, have a twosome. Then it's like, I'm going to have threesome. Then it's foursome.

Then it's like, you know, you just like they're so, they become. What's the word? You know, you become numb to it. It's not numb, but yeah, you know, you become numb to sexual gratification because it's so accessible to you that your, your sexual habits become more and more outrageous. Yes. And I told you that about my friend Chris Wetecki, who, when I was in the, the, America's Most Wanted, not prison, America's Most Wanted. I walked in the cell one day

What the hell's going on? When I did the America's Most Wanted video Oh, okay You know about that, right? When I played the knockout bandit You know who doesn't know about that Come on! I know I told you this

I don't remember that what are you talking about? You did an American greed? No, an America's Most Wanted. I did a re-enactment. I literally heard American greed. Oh, no, I didn't. I did a re-enactment. Did you say America?

He said America's Most Want? Okay. Sorry. I did a reenactment for America's Most Wanted. I told you this. I know I did. A re-enactment. Yeah, it was a re-and-the-knocked bandit.

Come on, man. You've got a whole other life going on. I did. I thought I had, like, listen, you're locked out with some dude for like three years, listening to him all, tell the same stories. At some point, he starts repeating him, and you think, okay, he's out. I know everything. Come on, man.

I know I told you. Tell me anyway. Tell me. Listen, I get old. I forget shit all the time. One of my closest friends, her name was Jennifer Daly. This is back when I was in college. She married a guy.

So it was before we were best friends. Yes. Before. You don't still talk to her, do you? No, I don't. I often wondered about her. Okay, good. Like, there's a lot of go.

All right. So she married. That's not Jess is like. She married a guy. Do you still talk to her? She married a guy that was a director. and he became one of the, I think it was 14 scene directors for America's Most Wanted reenactments. And what would happen is they would present them with a crime, and it was their job to film a reenactment so that, I forgot what the guy's name was.

I felt like the B-roll as they're talking. Yes. And, you know, they had to stop showing their faces because people would call in the actors. I've heard that. I've heard that before. I thought I was one I told you that No I've

Maybe I heard this Yeah you have heard this story Tell me again I played the knockout There was a knockout bandit All going all up I What is it?

I 10 Okay He was driving up I10 And he would go into the stores And he would pay With like a give him a 50 And when the cat This is before the plexiglass

And when the cashier Would ring up the 50 To give him change As soon as the drawer opened He'd punch him and knocked them out. They showed me videos of this, and I did the reenactment for it. Chris was the director, right? And he had me play the knockout bandit.

That's basically all it was, you know, and I did the reenactment. I did two of them. I was a victim in one, and I was the perpetrator, but I was a knockout bandit. Anyway, and they caught the guy, by the way, so I'm like, hey, successful. But when he films it. To me, that's a, that's a, uh, uh, a, uh, a, uh, uh, a fight. 5K. That's a 5K. Did you try and do that? Your honor.

This was way earlier. Your honor, I need a reduction. That's a 5K1. Yeah. And I was part of the, and the reason is I was part of the filming now when they couldn't show the perps face. They would show the cashier or the victims, you know, the reenactments of the victims, but the perpetrator, they would never show his face. So they just show like, he was a black guy. So they'd show me like chin down and walking in. And they'd show me standing there. You couldn't really see me. But anyway, I say that to say he was doing reenactments for America's Most Wanted, and he was getting, he was having so much sex, it was unbelievable. Like, women worse.

And all he would pay is like. I'm dying for this, how this ties in. So what is because he's, he's one, because he's kind of like a producer director. Yes. And he's got all these people he can hire. He's got a budget. Well, he's got a, he's like he's in Hollywood. Yeah, he'd select the actor for just the reenactment.

He'd only pay like $1,000. Right. But the women, like, anyway, he picked two women, and he's like, I want you to have sex with my friend. I'm like, yeah, of course, yeah. But he was married to my best friend, and I did it anyway. But my point is. Was that on video? No.

I hope not. But my point is Hollywood brings in lots of sex, lots of sex. lots of sex and that's what he was telling me like as he's like we're going home to his wife after us having sex with two girls that came in for the interview

when I'm hanging out with him that is a very Harvey Weinstein that's a very Harvey Weinstein that's a very hard for a TikTok I was going to say by the way you're not just skating by that

I know you want to say you want to say you want to and you know so he was a guy and we say yeah and so anyway no no no we're bringing that back So how often is this happening?

For him or for me? Listen, he lived in California. He flew me out there because he wanted me to do the knockout bandit. Like, they, he interviewed a couple of people, and he just told Jen, because I met him when they got married, and we, like, we talked, we had a good time. I made him laugh. So he told her, like, he goes, hey, come on out here, man. I want you to play this part. He goes, as soon as I saw the video of the crime, I thought about you, I want you to play it.

So he flew me out there. So I was out there a week to film it. To a week and you got $1,000? Yeah, but this is like in the 90s, bro. Oh, okay. And but I got a free trip. Yeah. And so I hung out with him at the little studio and in the daytime because she worked.

And I just hung out with him. And like, he was like every day, I'm kind of like, damn. He's just falling out of this guy. Yeah. I'm like, damn. He's like, hey, that's how Hollywood. He goes, this is how Hollywood is. And he goes, all these women

to do anything to get on camera. And he goes, I take every opportunity. That's what he's telling me. I'm like, whoa. That's horrible. I'm like, dude. And he's like, you know what? He goes, I'm going to get you laid.

So the next interview comes in. He's like, sleep with him. Yeah, of course. And I'm like, wow. Just like that. Just like that. Grab him by the... Unbelievable.

Like, so that is the image I have. Of Hollywood. Yeah, when you're talking about P. Diddy, who's a million, a billionaire producer known throughout the world that can promote a liquor up to like $100 million worth of sales.

Of course, if he's paying people $1,000 who are reenactant, and he's every day a different girl like I was up there like four working days and I'm like damn

and he was fast he didn't even take a long time he'd be like let's go do this and they go off in the room and then I look off and I come back

and they're coming back and he's like hey that was great I'm like wow so how is it okay so let's let's get back to P. Diddy

okay so you're saying he you're saying that basically because it's so, because sex is so overwhelmingly accessible to him, that eventually what, that eventually it's got to be two girls and then three.

He, he, it, it, that's part of the culture. Right. Like, what I've noticed is it's absolutely understood. So in his mind. And I'm not saying every woman does that, because I'm sure Julia Roberts, you know, probably got to a point where she didn't do, but, you know, but I would, I would imagine getting in requires putting out.

Well, I mean, yeah, the casting couch. You can't get in without putting out. That's the casting couch, right? Right. Right. You know, that's the term. Yeah. So, especially if it's men doing it, I'm sure the, I just have a view of that world that it's so accessible

that probably a lot of freaky things happen. I met a, a woman once that that slept with Eric Clapton. Okay. This was like... I wonder if Colby knows who Eric Clapton is. Have you heard it? You've never heard of...

He's a musician. Yeah. Famous. Famous. Famous. He sings... She's all right. She's all right.

Cocaine. You never heard of it. Did he also sing that? I heard of that. You heard the cocaine? Well, I heard of that smoke in the water, isn't it? No. Smoking the water, smoke in the water.

Did he sing smoke in the water? No, fire in the sky. No, smoking water. Who sang Lady and Red? Bound, boom, boom, but you don't think so? You don't like it? I mean, no, I like it.

I'm saying, I don't think I recognize it. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Anyway, but I met a, when I was on the hour time dating app, and I was with the hour time dating app, wait a minute, wait a minute. I was on the hour time. When I remember when I first got out, I was... Our time date.

I'm old, man. Yeah, for old people. What do you have to be up, like 50 and up? You're looking for 50-year-old women? I love 50-old women. But listen, 50-year-old white women, I love that. I don't even, like, when Jess, if Jess gets up that high... And she will, but Jess is probably going to look fantastic the rest of her life.

But look, I mean, I'm dumping enough money into it. We were talking, you're crazy. I'm dumping enough money into it, making sure. He's got her deep stun. Now we're going to do, we're doing some other. We're doing some other stuff. Yeah. You're really going to get trouble.

The problem is you get you, you, it's a balancing act where you get to that point where you're like, okay, does she look so good that she finds someone else? You got to be like, you got to get that point where she's like, okay, well, now I'm thinking about getting my, my, my boobs job, my, a boob job. You've got to be like, listen, baby. Perk them. We, yeah, that's the point. They get too perky and she's starting to have options. I wanted to have too many options Pause it

Because let me answer first You were trying to say a story About this dating app What was it? I met a girl that told me That she slept with Eric Clapton Yes Yeah that was the story that you were on

Eric Clapton got it We're on Eric Clapton And that blew my mind I think I don't know how it came up I think Well anyway We were laying around And it came on to music

Okay I said I love Eric Clapton And she goes, and she said, I have loved Eric Clifton. Something like that. I go, are you serious? Or maybe we had a conversation of famous people, whatever. And so she told me that. I said, really?

I said, how was it? She goes, what does she call it, inhumane or like, she said, like, he got up off of her, wiped his with her shirt, and threw her a shirt at her and said, now you can tell everybody you slept with Eric Clapton. He goes, that's exactly what he said to her. Dehumanizing? Yes. Okay.

Swear to you. That's what she said. She got, managed to get backstage and she said he selected her like out of three. And then they hung out for a while. Then he picked her to come to the room with him. And he banged her, got up, told her, you know, gave a clerk like, hey, now you can tell everybody. She said you can tell the world you slept with Eric Clapton. Wow.

Okay. I said, really? Wow. Feeling pretty good about yourself. And so, all right, so I stated that story to come back to say that in that realm, like, my perception of that realm is that it is dehumanizing. Like, we make idols of these people, and there are people who are after them. There are women who chase football players.

I know a couple. My niece best friend was, I'm trying to. to get pregnant by a football player type of girl. Like, I've heard those conversations. Wow. And they had Cadillac Williams pre-hemmed up. Used to play for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They had them kind of hemmed up.

Well, I'm going to ask Cadillac to buy this. I'm going to ask, kind of like to pay my... Yeah, it's just... So, I mean, it's like the nature of the way some people think of things. And so I believe that they can sensationalize anything. I think they could take any big person and probably charge them. with, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think, right, okay, I get it.

But, I mean, you, you read the indictment. You did see that the, that these are, you know, the accusations or whatever are saying that, one, he, and like I said, I could, I can, I can see you saying, hey, you know, I could imagine myself being in this situation, but saying, hey, yeah, yeah, get this guy. and have him fly in, you know, I can see the regular person not realizing the moment you're willing to pay someone to perform a sex act and flying in from another state, you've just violated trafficking laws. Like, that's it. A lot of people would be like, no, no, trafficking is when you, like, I haven't done anything wrong. Like, well, you don't know the laws, you know.

So I can see the average person not having the intent or did he not realizing he, what he's doing is breaking the law. My problem is that once you get there, is that the indictment is saying that these people are testifying, that they're saying, once I got there, I was forced to do things by either by threat, you know, either threat by my career or physical threat or these people had weapons. So you've got people that are in the room, that are in the house, that have weapons on them. So these are people, once they get there, they're starting to feel like intimidated by what's going on. To me, I think the intimidation factor is an issue because if you're a woman or you're, whatever, a jigolo or whatever they, they still use the word jiggleau? Yes. Anyway, so if you're a male sex worker, so you're a jigolo and you flew in and you feel intimidated or maybe you say, hey, man, I want to leave or look, bro, I got to, I've been here for, I've been here for a day, bro, I got to get going.

Nah, man, you're not going anywhere. And some guys, some guys sitting there with a gun, then, or even if he's got it just in his, in his, in his belt, you might feel like, I don't know how bad this, like, where am I? Like, there's a whole group of guys, several of them have guns. This guy's playing the director, and I'm starting to feel, you know, we've been been given drugs, where, you know, to me, that's what it's like, okay, this is, this is, it's more than coercion, you know what I'm saying? It's threatening.

at least that's what that's what the indictment is saying correct you have to allege that what's or you have to assume that what's in the indictment is is i hear you semi true right embellished maybe i mean and it may be embellished but the problem is is that when they i feel like when they indict someone like ditty they're thinking to themselves like people are like why do you get away with this stuff for so long because they probably felt like i don't we don't have enough to like look they'll indict you or me way before, you and I don't have, we're not on equal footing. The government can spend a million, two million, three million to put you on trial, right? You can't, what do you, what's your, what's your public defender going to get? 12 grand. Maybe if he's going to put on, go to trial, 22. 22,000 versus two million dollars. And by the way, it's your public defender with no help and the U.S. Attorney's Office

with an office of 150 U.S. attorneys to help them. I mean, it's, you know, plus paralegals, everything else. This guy's trying to mount a defense against 2 million and 150 people with him and one paralegal. You're outgunned. Yeah. You know, so people are like, oh, you get a public defender, like, you don't have a, you don't have a chance. So to me, when they go off someone like Diddy, they're going after someone that they're saying, look, we can't crush this person.

He'll pay $10 million on his defense. That's why a lot of times when they go and they indict somebody who's rich and famous, they get these sweetheart deals. Or they go to trial and they win. No normal person. No little guy goes to trial and wins. It's always someone who's on equal footing. I mean for as far as money is concerned.

I get it. The laws are tilted in the government's favor. I understand all that. I'm saying as far as money and manpower is concerned. then it's like we're on equal footing at that point. Now is the law more geared towards them? Yes. So to me, but when they go after someone like Diddy, they've got to think, hey, we got

eight people that are going to say this happened. We have, you know, we raided his house. Right. After we rated his health, we feel like we got enough video that supports our claims. And so what are we going to do? Now we're going to indict him and we're going to try him. The problem I have with the... So I believe that everything they said in the indictment is true.

It's inflammatory, but it's probably true. The problem is, can they prove it? Now, here's the difference between... Here's the thing. I think they can probably prove it with testimony, but testimony is... You can easily coerce witnesses, right? If you think I can't get eight people... If I was the government, I can't get eight people to say that you're...

that tonight or that two days ago, you were at a deal where we, you know, whatever, we sold, you know, 10 pounds of, or 10 pounds, sorry, 10 keys of, oh, I can easily, I can easily. I'll get eight people that are, they're currently in jail. Right. And then when we arrest you, I'll get four more people that say you were in jail that you told them you were there. Right.

I'll get 12, I'll have 12 people in the stand saying, not only are these guys there and know he was doing it and he's been selling it, once he went to prison, he bragged about it. We've got his roommates got to say it. So they'll get you just on testimony. That's a done deal. You know, do they have text messages and all these other things? I think they probably have some of that, but mostly it's probably testimony. I think I think that's how they'll get him because he's thinking, well, we're going to, we're

going to make disparaging comments and we're going to, we're going to go after these people's reputations or their, you know, their character and that sort of thing. And maybe we can get a deal. That's how they're the only real fighting. And, of course, they're going to say more people are going to flip because probably a lot of the people that Dittie's probably thinking he's okay because he's thinking, yeah, a lot of the electronic communication, I wasn't on the phone texting the male prostitute or the female prostitutes or females to come to my house to do anything. I didn't do it. I told Johnny to do it. Johnny did it.

Now, Johnny's going to get on the stand and he's going to say you did it. But they're thinking, what he may have said, hey, man, get some people up here. Did he didn't know that Johnny was going to call a male prostitute. He didn't know the guy was in another state. He would have never done that. You said they might try and do that because I don't think he's on the phone doing anything. I don't think he's texting anybody. So he's probably thinking there's some play there.

There's not. You know, you know what I'm saying? He's done. They're going to put him on there. He's going to be done. He's going to fight for the next five years. I kind of think you'll win. but um i would love to see this happen you i don't think he's going to want at all i think

i well i think if the case was strong then you you wouldn't have inflammatory crap and and i agree with this i think if they had stuff directly tying him in they would have put a lot of that in the indictment yes because mayor at is it adams mayor adams in new york his indictment they got excerpts from all kinds of different transactions they've got excerpts They had very specific things in the indictment. I think that's lame too. But I don't know what's up with the indictments now. I just, I'm, and like, usually I believe them.

Usually, you know, when something grabs me wrong, because we know how they exaggerate. Right. You know what I'm saying? So when something grabs me wrong, I think usually my feeling is right. I kind of think for him, it's just a whole lot. Listen, I've talked to, I've had long distance relationships, and I've flown girls in from another state to have sex. Right.

You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, is that trafficking? No, it's not because it's a relational. And it's a relationship. All right. So if I fly you in to have sex or I'm going to pay you. When you come here, I'm going to give you this. You know what I'm saying?

And I'm bringing you in and me and a couple of guys. going to have sex with you. I mean, it's, it just... I don't like that we're using me in this situation at all. My whole point... I'll throw a little base in my voice when I answer that question. You know what I'm saying? I always thought the, the sex trafficking was for minors.

Rarely do you see it for adults, you know? And so when it comes down to adults, you know, people can... And then what happens is you have to prove that, like, at some point you felt like you didn't have a choice. You feel me? And it could be the point to where when I'm done with you, I wipe myself with your shirt

and I say, hey, congratulations. And then you're like, whoa, whoa, now I feel like this was well, it wasn't when, you know what I'm saying? It's just, sexuality is, to me, is very bizarre and it can be twisted into a bad situation

whenever maybe one party feels bad. But yeah, this is a bunch of parties and a bunch of actual get-togethers and gatherings and maybe some sex-offs and some orgies. So I'm sure there's a lot of people who felt like, you know, I don't think I really got treated right, or I think that $150 could have been more money than that to do what I did. Well, I think that the casting couch thing is like women, let's assume, you know, that it is a norm in Hollywood that they go and they're willing to, they're willing to sleep

with someone that looks like Harvey Weinstein in the hope that they get the part. what happens when you do that two or three times and you haven't gotten the part, then you get to a point where it's like, you know what, I'm sick of this. Like, these guys are taking advantage of me. It's just so funny, too, because, like, you could argue the fact that you're also taking advantage of the, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're willing to have sex to get the part, not because you necessarily earned it, but you're willing to it.

So, but let's put that aside. Let's assume the guy has the power. The girl doesn't. Or either way, the woman has the power if she's the producer and the man doesn't. Either way. One person has a power. One doesn't. One is coercing them to have sex to get something that then they never provide them. Well, in that case, eventually you get to a point where if something happens, the person that feels they were taken advantage of is more than willing to trash the other person. Because I feel like this person coerced me. They had control. They had the power. I had no power. I did everything they asked me for. I was expecting something. They did not provide it to me. And now I'm in a position to, to cry, you know, or sexual harassment or whatever the case may be, I'm willing, and I'm going to do that because this person's a, this person's a scumbag. So, fuck them.

So, and, you know, and that's nothing. That's just, that's just, you know, that's just out of spite. That's not even if they have something on you. Like, if they catch people that have drugs on them, and we're going to charge you with the drugs, or do you know anything about Pete did? Because we saw that you were at this party. You saw that I was at this party. You just happened to pull me over 10 miles away and find drugs on me.

You just happened to. Right. And now you happen to remember, oh, yeah. Is it possible you were following me? You targeted me, you know? Of course. So, but there will suddenly, suddenly if they feel like they had not been taken advantage of or coerced or forced to do something, now they're starting to think, maybe I was.

you know, maybe, maybe that box, maybe that, that, that, uh, prescription of oxy cotton or those, those, those, those ecstasy pills, maybe we, maybe we can let that go. Maybe we don't have to charge you. Right. You know, well, but let's talk about this. Because that's how it works. That's, that's, that reminds me that book, Snitch, when they were talking about the, the, the American, uh, system of justice is no longer seeking justice.

No, seeking wins. Yeah. And, and, and so that's, that's, that's, kind of how I feel about this. By the way, I don't think it was ever just. There was ever justice. It's always been an adversarial process. It's always been described as an adversarial process. The problem is is that America is so good. And the thing is like, I love this country. Like I think that everything bad that ever happened to me, I brought on myself. Right. And I think that

everything good that has happened to me, I think is because I'm in a country that I have an opportunity to do those things. And most people don't in other countries. But but I do also think that the marketing for this country is amazing. Yes. Like they've got, they're locking up 1% of society. They've got laws that can lock you up for anything. Yep.

They can take your free. They've got you convinced that you have this amazing freedom. And there are other countries that have tons more freedom. Like there's, you know what I'm saying? The marketing of America is phenomenal. Like, I'm not saying it's not a great question.

That should be a podcast to sell. I can go on about that. I'm not saying that I don't love the country and that I don't think that we do have amazing opportunities, but damn. And you're right. Let's go to the next because I can go on. All I was going to say is the 1% in our prison system compared to other countries. Like, if you're like...

Oh, the sentences are outrageous. And they're like, what, how do y'all get away with that? People ask, how do y'all get away with that? You know, but anyway. I have a question. Well, because honestly, most of the laws are made up. by politicians. So, and they're doing it to get votes.

So my question is, and when we were just talking about the difference in the indictments between mayor, is it Adams or Garland? Adams. Is it Adams? Yes. Who's Mayor Garland? I don't know who that is. I don't either.

It sounds right, though. So Mayor Adams' indictment has very specific things in the indictment. The bribery is he got upgraded on flights. to hire class and got nicer hotel rooms in exchange for rushing through the approval of a building that they had in New York City. Right, like the code and code enforcement

and all that. Yes. Okay, so I was going to say... Like, that is so minute. Are you, really? You think that, boy, we have different views. Okay, I mean, you don't think that bribery. I mean, it's bribery.

Bribery is bribery. And you've got lobbyist, which is legal bribery. It is legal, but I agree. To me, look, if things, if I came in and said, what are some things that you could, you would do to change? Like, there would be term limits on everything. Yes. Yeah.

Like these, being in Congress, 40 years, get the fuck out of here, bro. You maybe get three terms. That's it. So, you know, the president is. Why isn't Congress like that? Like, that's one thing I would do. The other thing is the lobbyist lobbying would be completely 100% illegal. That would change the, that would change the face of of the United States if you just said, no, it's illegal.

And lobbyists do all kind of contributions and now they've got super PACs. So the wealthy, and it's changing in that concept. So, and I say this because, yes, it's a foreign entity and he probably shouldn't have done it. Shouldn't have. There's a law that says he shouldn't have done it. I don't know. And it's bribery because you understand that. Quid pro quo.

And he's clearly trying to get away with it because he's saying, hey, I'm going to spend $2,000 on these tickets. And knowing, and then he's specifically having the flights fly through Turkey. Yes. Well, it was it Istanbul? I don't remember the name of an airline. Right. He's using their airline. Even if he's going to China, wherever, like you don't even have to use.

use this airline. Why are you using this airline? I'm using it because I can pay a couple grand and they'll give me a free upgrade that's worth $15,000. So now I'm flying first class and I get to stay at these at these resorts and hotels for almost nothing or nothing. Like there's, you know, so I'm getting, we're talking about 20, 30, 40, $50,000 worth of benefits. And that's, it's not like it's once. It's happening over and over and over again. So, the idea to think that I'm not going to go out of my way for you is insane. I give it an example right now. I got a perfect example. Well, it's not even a perfect example. It's a semi-per. I probably have a better example, actually. Let me think about this. But I'm going to give

you two examples. Well, so one of the examples is this. And this isn't even like not like I have a buddy. Like when I got out of prison, I was struggling. I had no money. I'm trying to start the podcast. So I had been befriended by somebody that is still friends with me to this day. And he gave me the money to pay for my camera equipment. Now, I don't paint anymore, by the way. I had no place to go to borrow $3,500 to get the camera equipment. I got nobody to go to. I probably could have put it on a credit card, but my problem with putting it on a credit

card was that would have been my entire credit card. And on top of that, I then have to explain to my P.S. why I've spent more than $500. Right. And what am I going to say? Oh, I'm going to dump it into a podcast that I have no idea is going to make any money. Like, she'd have been like, you could send that money for restitution. No.

So that's a problem. Anyway, put that aside. So I have to go to a guy and have him buy all the equipment and then make payments to him, which he only had me. I made like two payments. He said, you don't know me more money. The point is, is that as the podcast started doing better, I stopped painting. The other day he came to me and he said, Hey, man, I need you to do a painting for me.

And I was like, I don't really paint him. I know you're doing good. You don't really paint. But I really want this painting. And I was like, I looked at, I looked at Jess. And I get quoted him some price, you know. And it was, it was enough that it was like, it's probably worth it to me to do it. I still feel like I worked really hard on the painting.

But the point is, I quoted him a price thinking, And if I, he'll probably say no, you know, give him the price. And then he was like, okay. And I was like, oh, God. I was really hoping you'd forget about it. And then I looked at Jess and I was like, you know, I was like, I don't want to paint this painting. And she owes, it so and so. And I was like, oh, yeah.

Damn. You know, you know what I'm saying? She just looked at me and I was like, yeah, I got to paint those paintings. Like I got to. I owe this guy. We had no agreement that I owe him anything. Right. Are you going to be emotional about this?

Yeah, just because I like the guy so much. But I get emotional about pretty much anything now. About paintings, though, but go ahead. Go about paintings. So anyway, yeah, so it's like he didn't say I owed him, right? He could have. If he called that card, it wouldn't have been a question. I wouldn't even said anything to Jess.

I'd be like, yeah, you're right. I do owe you. I'm doing it. So I give me another example is the guy. Well, what's the moral of that example? The moral is that we don't even have an agreement. And he, and honestly, he didn't give me $50,000 in upgrades. You know, he didn't give me, like, this is a few thousand dollars.

Right. This is not. And he was paying for the painting. Like, you quoted him, it's not like, you're like, hey, I'll just do it for you. You quoted him a price. And he's like, yeah, okay, I'll even pay you that. And you're like, oh, yeah, I still don't want to do it as a painting ass. You know what I'm saying?

It's like, but the point is, it's kind of like the, but with. With, you know, Mayor Adams, he, you know, he knew this was coming. He knew these people aren't giving you this money. And we're not even into the campaign violations, right? Right. Because let's face it, Turkey's not giving you $50,000 or $100,000 or however much, how God knows, how much, do we even know how much money they gave him for nothing? Because Turkey wants you to be mayor of New York because they like you?

Well, if you became mayor is what was the deal. What was the second story? Oh, the second story was Kevin White. Oh, yeah. So Kevin White. Go ahead. So Kevin White was a guy that was running for, he was running for a councilman. Counselman.

He became a commissioner. But he's running for, so this is the guy that I knew that he's running for it to be the, for the city council. And he's running for his little district. And he was, when he came to me and asked me for a donation. And, you know, his whole campaign was run off of like 30,000. I gave him like 22,000 of the 30. Wow. And he still had like five or six thousand when he was done.

He didn't spend all of it. But I gave him all the money. And it's funny, too, because when I gave in the money, I was like, so you're saying that this much and you'll win. Like, this is what it's going to take to win. He goes, yeah. He said, oh, absolutely. This will put me.

I'm tied right now. This will put me over the top. Like my competitor doesn't have the means to do anything. And I was like, okay. I said, you understand? I said, this isn't a gift. I said, we're trying to, it was very clear. So we're trying to rezone all of my single family properties.

And he's not the city councilman in my district. So I'm concerned about that. He's in the neighboring district. And I said, so I'm trying, they're all in this district. And I said, I'm giving you money. You're going to get elected. I went, so I said, you can help me get these done. He said, let me explain the way it works.

he said, I'll just go to the councilman at your district and explain that this is what I need to have done. He said, because if he doesn't do it, then he knows if he ever comes to me and says, he needs something from me. He's like, I'm not doing it. I asked you for something very easy. All you had to do is vote that way. He doesn't keep in mind, it's all of us voting. Like, I can guarantee my vote, but I'll get you the other votes to get it done. Right.

He said, so, and I said, I said, you know, we had like a hundred vacant properties, you know, or, they call them unimproved properties. We had a 100 vacant properties that were single-family properties, so that are all worth maybe, maybe $10,000 right now, maybe $15, depending on where they are. Is it a how much score footage is? But if you, if we could get those zoned multifamily, they immediately become worth, not even dollar. because now I can, instead of a single family, I could build a multi, I could build a four unit on some of these. Most of them are two and three units, but some of them are four units. That thing's worth at least four or five times because it, it's no longer a single family home dwelling. It's now buildable for an investment property. So it goes up even higher,

right? Like it'd be almost like rezoning it commercial. It's like, oh my God, like the rent just quadrupled. Anyway, we had a very clear discussion with him. And he took the money, ended up getting, became city councilman, parlayed that into a, became a county commissioner and as county commissioner. And keep in mind, he's not in charge of, of really much of anything, but he did. He actually was approached by, because he'd, he'd taken money from other companies. One was supposed to be, the FBI told me he had, they believed he had taken contributions from rooms to go to get them and worked on their behalf to get them zoning issues. But so they approached him about by a tow truck company where they said, look, we want to get

the tow truck contract from the sheriff's department. He is not in control of that, by the way. He has no control over it. I don't even think he had a say in it. He didn't have a say in it. Not only did not have a say in it, he didn't have a say in it. Like, he's not in control. He can't make that decision.

He can't, he still pitches it as if he does. And he ends up, now, they didn't give, I think they gave him a few. They barely gave him anything. Like, we're talking about maybe, let's, I'm going to say $1,000. But what they did was they took him out to dinner a bunch of times at expensive dinners, four, five, $600 dinners. They also ended up buying his father an SUV. Wow.

So they're, they're doing all of these different things for him. him. Nothing's directly to him. So they know how to set it up so that his hands. So what am I doing? I went to dinner. You know, what am I doing? Like, I don't know what my dad is doing. Right. Anyway, so he ends up getting in bust. He gets busted for that and he gets, he goes to trial. Goes to trial and he loses. Nothing was, nothing went to him, by the way. There's nothing in his name. Nothing's, they had like one. They did have a wire on him where he was talking about out that he did end up saying like, like, I'm going to do everything I can. I'm going to get you that contract.

Trust me, I can get you the contract, you know, even though he couldn't. Could he go and ask somebody about it? Yeah, and that contract's worth a lot of money. Because every time they need a car toad, they call your to, you're the car, the tow truck company. Listen, and the kickback from that is probably huge. And that's my whole point is what you just said. Like, that is, and for dealing with Kevin, why? That was his name?

His name was Kevin White. Yeah, dealing with Kevin White, didn't you just see that as SO standard operating procedure? I did see it, but I also felt it was very illegal. I knew it was illegal because, you know, and for, so for Mayor Adams, what he's doing is well, he's got a foreign country. That's my issue with it. The foreign country is an issue because foreign, foreign, you know what you know what's so stuff about the United States is that like we'll say like, oh, the Russians and they're,

They're meddling here and they're meddling here. Oh, because the United States doesn't meddle in other countries. Like, what are you talking about? Oh, yes. They've paid to sway elections. They've overthrown governments and stuck people in there. Like, come on. So, but anyway, but that's my only issue with Eric Adams is the fact that it's turkey.

If it was just some jive turkey. So bad. So bad. If it was just some guy that was paying and upgrading. then I'll be like, look, that's SOP, you know, the hell with it. But the fact that it was a country, I guess the problem I don't have with it is, is it's just a building, it's just getting a building inspected. It's not really.

Yeah, but for all we know, that building didn't meet fire code. For all you know, that building burns down in two years from now and 100 people end up dying. Yeah. It's possible. Yeah. It's possible. So many. If that's the case, there's so many buildings that don't meet fire code.

And there's so many, and all you do is go to the Atlanta prison. Well, he's in New York. I'm sure Rikers Island doesn't meet fire code. Anyway, I don't see the, first of all made of concrete and steel. You're not nothing where you can set fires in the middle of the building and it won't burn. My whole point is they don't give a F. So they're not meeting code, any of those coding, every one of those code in, inspectors are getting their pockets lined every freaking day.

You're making it sound like it's okay. It's not okay. It's not okay. But you're picking and choosing. You're like, okay, you did that. So I'll just pluck that out of. That's what they do all the time. Yeah, that's true.

So the money laundering is what? So he orchestrated them. Well, so it didn't look like. the money is used for something different than what it's presented for Or aren't they giving Individuals money

And those people are then They're using them to launder that money Back into his campaign That or like Matt I'm Matt I'm gonna give you $40,000 Can you make sure His flight and hotel gets booked?

Right You know oh yeah yeah I got you But it's the $40,000 for it's for you Matt You're a great guy But please make sure Eric Adams flight And you know And you're like okay, I'll pay for that.

Or, yeah, or I'm going to buy this from your company and I'm going to pay this an additional this. But by the way, you know, it would be great if you gave $500 or $1,000 to his campaign, which is what I did. I just went out to friends of family. I went to like 15 friends and family and I went and said, hey, here's 500 bucks. I need you to write a check to this guy's campaign. And my employee is like, cool.

You know, the next, boom, boom. I went to, oh, listen, I went to my sister, my brother-in-law, my parents. I went to all my employees. I went to general contractor. I went to, it took all the day to do it. It was a pain in the ass. The next time when he came back for more money, he said, yeah, I'm not doing that again, bro. I'm just going to give you the cash.

He literally took like $7 or $8,000 in cash from me. Nice guy. What happened to him? He never got indicted. Yeah, he did. He got indicted, not for that. He got indicted for the second thing when he was county commissioner, got indicted, went to trial, lost, got three years.

they sent him to Coleman but there was a management the FBI put a management variable on you two yeah so he sat in the shoe for about a month oh yeah and then they shipped him somewhere else like the Miami or something of course that's the that's the cream of the crop yeah so he went there he was there for a couple years

you know and then he got out and then he went to work at the car dealership where my ex-y life's husband worth. Because when he came, because that's what, before he was a, so, so, um, uh, Kevin White initially was a police officer. Right. For Tampa PD. I want to say Tampa PD.

Maybe it was sheriff. I think it was Tampa PD. He got to a high speed chase. They told him to call off the chase because it was too high speed. He didn't and he got into a car accident and he hit somebody. Sound familiar? And the people, they were waving like, hey, don't. But he hit them, so he- As long as they wrote bad checks, recovered.

So he retired. At that, once he got to the thing, he, whatever, he, I don't know if he quit or whatever, he basically resigned somehow. He doesn't work there after that. After an investigation, he stepped down. He then started working as a car, I want to say a car salesman. I feel like I've heard that. I don't know if he was car salesman.

And then very quickly became a finance manager, or went into the finance department, became a finance manager of this car, of a huge car dealership. Right. He then, while he was finance manager for four or five years, he then ran for city council. And that's what I met him. So anyway, after he eventually gets indicted, he gets indicted, goes to trial, loses, gets three years, gets out. He goes to work for a car dealership. I want to say it was a Nissan dealership.

And then my ex-wife's husband, so my ex-wife calls me one day. And she said, do you know? Kevin White and I went, oh yeah, what's up? Do you see him? Like, I'm always willing to see some guy, be like, hey, bro, because they're always like, how are you doing? You're smiling because I know inside this part, they're burning up. So I see, so she goes, yeah, she's, you're not going to believe this. I what, what she said, Nick is her husband. She goes, Nick came home today. He goes, so they hired this guy the other day. And I was thinking, God, that's not that name sounds familiar.

And he was, he's a black guy about, you know, 50 years old. Like he started to say, late 40s, early 50s, starts saying, yeah, this is. He's like, and I kept thinking, like, God, I feel like I know him. And she goes, what's his name? He was Kevin White. She's like, oh, my God. That he is, I know. I looked it up.

I went, looked it up and saw who he was and Matt bribed him and this and that. And then when I bribed him, this is what's up. I bribed this guy. Right. When the newspaper calls him about the bribes, you know what he said? Because when it came out, I was in prison. So I've been arrested. The FBI came to see me about the bribery charges.

Right. And I tell them, of course, I'm trying to get out of prison. Did I bribe him? Did I? You don't know what I have. They're like, well, we got 15 checks for 500 bucks a piece. And some of these people don't even exist. These are fake people, like James Red, Brandon Green.

All of them paid them to? They all, I've tried to launder the money. Right. So they're like, you know, your family did. Your, this, your employees and all your employees all said, you came up to him, gave 500 bucks, said write a check. And my company, as a company, you can donate up to $1,000.

So I have like, I had like three, like two, three companies. They all gave a thousand bucks. So, anyway, they're like, is it, what was this for? They're like, why did you put so much money? I was like, oh, because I was trying to explain the whole thing. And so. But the statute of limitations was up. And so they came, then they came back to me and said, hey, we're working.

Right now, we're working an investigation where he's trying to get a tow truck company. And so I had a whole conversation on how the bribery worked, what he said, would he, did he ever pat you? They were about to wear a wire on him. And they want to know, did he pat you down? Like, we're about to wear a wire on this guy. Did he pat you down? I was like, no, he never patted me down. They're like, they're like, I mean, wouldn't he realize that he's bribery?

I go, no, he said, this is just how things work. He's, I go, he's not that smart enough to think I'm going to patch you down. He just thinks, yeah, you know, he's shaking you down. So anyway, so he goes to trial and everything. Well, while I'm, while they're investigating that, this reporter is writing me. And I tell the reporter about it. Yeah, they came to see me about this and that. Because, because I'm sorry, the investigation was over.

they grab him, they arrest, they indict him and arrest him. He's about to go on trial. Well, the reporter's writing me because the reporter knows that the FBI investigated or interviewed me about him and that I had a bribery charge, charges against him, right? Oh. That never fell, that fell through. So he starts writing me and I explained, yeah, this is what I did. They came and talked to me, blah, blah, blah. Then they call my lawyer. And my lawyer says, yeah, no, the FBI came and talked to Matt about him and he was bribing him. So there's a huge, there's a huge article on the front page of the St. Petersburg Times, and I'm in jail. Yes, I think that's where I saw it.

So, of course, you're in jail. I get called the lieutenant's office. He puts the paper down. My picture's on the front page. He's like, is that you? And I'm like, uh, uh, he goes, cuff him up. They put kefs on me and they brought me to shoe for 45 days for my own security. So was, was that the reason why?

Because of the, oh, because they thought you were telling. No, I was telling. Right. But this is, oh, is that what the article saying? The article, my lawyer is saying, oh, yeah, the FBI came and Mr. Cox's was cooperating in the investigation. Oh, my God. I remember when Matthew did that.

I'm like, they put your boy Matt to the shoe. I'm like, what? Why? They had letters from me writing the reporter. And you know what Kevin White said in that, in that? By the way, he, okay, you know what? Hold on. He had not been indicted yet.

I think it was on the cut. There was an investigation into him. But he thought he was going to skate it because he'd already beaten my indictment. Or my, he'd already skated my investigation. So he felt like he wasn't going to get indicted. So you know what he said to the paper? Right. He said he's just a jailhouse snitch trying to get out of prison.

Oh, yes. And that six months later got indicted, went to trial, lost. Got three years, never, never did he apologize for that statement. Very rude. But you didn't get anything for that? No, no. It was a true statement, but I didn't appreciate the word snitch. Oh, okay, no problem.

Maybe she was cooperating witness, maybe. He went to trial and you still didn't get anything? Oh, it was something separate. It was a separate charge. I was just trying to do the right thing. Oh, trust me what I thought was I'm ready to like bring me. I'll get on the stand like, oh, yeah, he did the same thing to me. Like, I'm ready to testify.

Me too, move me. Right. And the FBI came to talk to me about it. They asked me about, like, would he pat you down? How did the, how did the, um, was, did he openly talk about the bribe? And I was like, how did that go? So I told him the exact conversation like, listen, I was blatant with him. There was no ambiguity in the conversation.

Because you weren't, wink, wink. Yeah. It was very good. I own this many lots. I want them zone this. I pay this money. You get, you get, um, elected. you help me get these rezoned.

Right. Right. And he was like, absolutely. And he was no, it was no like, well, I can do what I can. I can't promise. He's promising. Yeah. So they were like, they was just like, holy shit.

So I helped further the investigation. I should have got my time cut for that. But they didn't. They, you know, they were. I think the real question is, when is he going to be in the podcast? We need to get him on the podcast. I think somebody on the, watching the podcast should reach out to Kevin White and he should come on the podcast and we can have a discussion about, one, the

bribery charges when I bribed him. And two, we should have a discussion about how, about his, the bribery charges that stuck and what it was like in prison, like him, you know, you know, and what's he doing now? You know, I don't even know. I don't know if he still works there. I don't know if he still works as a car salesman. Maybe he's in finance now. I don't know if working in finance for a car dealership, you have to be licensed or not.

Like, these are, we, and I liked Kevin. We used to call Kevin Mr. Bling, bling, bling. Do you remember the one of the term Bling, bling, bling? Yes. We called him Mr. Bling, bling. Was he, does he bling down? Yeah, he had rings, and he always had like a gold Rolex or something, and he would wear chains.

Like, I don't know. Like, I don't wear chains. I don't wear jewelry. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't, I'm not a jewelry guy. So I never have been. So guys that were, and he was, and then the term bling, bling was a big deal. And he was always driving a new car.

because he got new cars from the dealership. So he's driving a Mercedes, and for a week or two, then he'd be driving a brand new 7-series BMW. And it's like, damn, like, he's pulling up in a BMW. Always dressed really nice, sharp dresser. That'd be a good episode. It is. So somebody needs to reach out and talk to him

and see if he'll come on the podcast, I think. Could you imagine he starts getting phone calls and emails? You know. What is he, you want him to talk? coming in and like, like, yeah, I was doing that. I mean, what, what, what storyline you're going to give him to come in? You get the story of him being a cop, the whole, you know, his whole entire story. We like to talking about your, you're from police.

Of course. Think about that. He might have some great cop stories. And then the, the car chase. Like, I was that, I was told that by someone, you know, like, I didn't research it. Like, maybe he might be, he might be like, yeah, bro, I was never, what are you talking about? Like, I never got a hell told you that. There was a car accident.

I retired because my wife's brother was running this deal. They were going to pay me $90,000 a year to do this. And I'm making $40,000 as a cop. And I was like, this. And I went and did that. Like, what do you talk? I go, oh, shit, I didn't know that. You know, maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think I am because the person that told me seemed pretty positive about it. And really, I don't think I'm wrong because when he was running, that was something they were, like, trying to use against him. His political opponents were saying, this is a guy that hurt people. This is a guy that did not follow, you know, he was told not to do this. He was told to call off the chase. He didn't. He hurt a bunch of, he put the public in danger. You don't want him running as, as your county commissioner or your, sorry, your, you're, sorry, your, you're, sorry, your, uh, councilman.

You don't want him as a city councilman. Like, they were, they were, I was just like, okay, well, I mean, I think you should chase down people. I mean, I don't think he meant to get into the accident, right, you know, but whatever. Be a good video title. Confronting the politician, I bribe. Crooked politician. Yeah. Confronting a crooked politician.

You have to have the, uh, catchphrase. Corrupt. Corrupt. Yeah. You got a double, double corrupt. Sometimes these guys don't know what they're getting into when they come here. They don't know what we're going to call them in the title. Yeah.

I'm nervous. Listen to this. I got another one on him. This is good too. He went to trial on this too. He hired us two trials. Him? Was it one trial? Both topics? No, no. No, no. It's two trials. One was civil. Okay. Listen, when you're guilty, it's just stupid to go to trial. So he hired a Puerto Rican chick, right? A hot little Puerto Rican chick. Within a week of hiring her, and I could be wrong, it could be a month. It could have been three days. I don't No, it's roughly a week. So within a short period of time, he takes her on a vacation, not a vacation. I'm sorry. Now, he's married. This guy's married. I want to say he's married with kids. I don't know.

Whatever, he's married. Cute wife. So he takes this Puerto Rican, his Puerto Rican assistant. Well, no, it's just, right now she's just an assistant. Takes her, and I want to say they go to Atlanta. It's not a vacation. It's a working, it's a work trip. He's meeting with someone.

Why a county commissioner, I think it was county commissioner, why a county commissioner in Hillsborough County needs to go to Atlanta? I don't know. Freak Nick, but go ahead. But he has to go there with her. Now give him a budget. He goes there what she says in the middle of the night or like 11 or 12 or 1 o'clock. So they go out to dinner.

Right. With a few other people that he's meeting with, acting like a big shot. he's got this, this is my assistant, my hot little Puerto Rican assistant, and I'm a big shot. I'm with a bunch of other commissioners or more talking. So for her, she's thinking she's impressed, and I'm sure she was. That's impressive. Of course. So, but she goes back to the hotel and like at, let's say 12 or 1 o'clock, he knocks on her door, or does he text her?

Or does he call her? Somehow when he contacts her and he says, can I come to your room? and stay there. He says, I'm an only child. No, he says, they say I'm an, I'm an only child. Or as you say, I grew up with, with brothers. Somehow or another, he didn't like to sleep alone. Right. So he couldn't have been an only child, but go ahead. Okay. So somehow or another, he gave her some silly bullshit thing about wanting to go and sleep in the same bed with her. And she was like, that's not going to happen. He then called like an hour later and tried again, she said that's not going to happen.

So there were, that happened. And then supposedly over the next few months, there were multiple attempts for her to put it, you know, he groped her, he touched her, he made her feel uncomfortable about multiple times, had her working late when he could get her alone, he approached, she said all these different things that he had done. Eventually, she, she quits and she files. And the whole thing is they're like, why didn't you quit earlier? She's like, I'm making like $35,000 a year.

I have a high school diploma. I'm making $35,000 a year. So eventually what happens is, I think what eventually happens is, I don't think she quit. I think she got fired. I think he let her go. And then she went and got a lawyer and explained the whole thing. But somehow or another, she had proof. Does she work for him?

No, we know she worked for them. Oh, proof of the offer. Yes. Proof of you're calling me at 1130, 1230, 1 o'clock. in the morning. You're coming to my door. Like, he came to, I remember he came to the door at like one o'clock. Not, not aggressive. I don't think he's an aggressive guy. But still, you're making her feel uncomfortable. Right. You know, he approached her. I think people saw her. Whatever it was, he's saying

bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. That never happened. She's a liar. I fired her because she was incompetent. Well, you did hire somebody who has a high school diploma who's never worked in this capacity in her life as a secretary. And now you're expecting her to do, to work for a county commissioner. That's a top level assistant. Right. Executive assistant. Sorry. She's never been an executive assistant. She's worked in like a factory. You know, so she's young and she's like, I'm making $35,000 a year. I'm going on trips. She's like, so she put up with it for a little bit. She kept thinking if she told him no enough, he would eventually stop, but he didn't. And then eventually when he realized, I'm not going to get in anywhere, he fired her. So they, she finds an

attorney. The attorney's like, damn, you got enough evidence here to get something. They go, They sue. He refuses to even settle. They go to trial. He loses. Costs the, ended up costing the county. Like, I want to say, I want to say two or three hundred thousand dollars in legal fees. And they had to pay her.

I don't think they paid her much. I want to say they paid. And it's all, by the way, it's all, it's all in the, in the newspaper. Like, there's articles. And they have the amount, because, you know, it's all, it's all. If they had settled, you could have quashed this. But instead, I want to say she got 80 or 100,000. Like, I remember the legal fees.

I think the legal freeze were as much, if not more than what she got. She didn't get a ton of money, but she wasn't even asking for a lot of money. And he wouldn't settle. Right. I guess his pride's like, why would I admit? And he's got a wife. His wife sitting in the trial every, you know, what you, he can't admit to his wife. He's got to say, no, it's a shakedown.

It's a shakedown. But you have to think his wife sitting through. She sat through two trials. Right. Your husband don't want to own up to shit. That's a good podcast. Yeah. It'd be a good podcast if he owned up to it.

You're acting like he would admit to, like, you're, that's what I'm saying. It would be a good podcast if he owned up to it. Oh, okay. I didn't do shit. I didn't do anything. I didn't be like, no, all those were fake allegations and, you know, like, the best, the best podcasts are when these guys come on and they are unapologetically. Guilty.

Telling their truth. Like, whatever it is. Like, oh, like, I don't want to share this. It's like, yeah. Well, I mean, he's out of politics. You would think, you know what I'm saying? But could you imagine him sitting here going, like, sitting here saying, I'm like, I didn't accept a bribe.

Me being like, yeah, because you've never accepted a bribe. Like, come on, bro, who you talking to? I bribed you. What kind of relationship you guys have anyway? Like, was he a cool guy? I liked him. I thought he was funny. I liked him.

But keep in mind, I liked Ron Wilson, too. And I dropped a dime on him the first chance I got. So how do you? I can compartmentalize very easily. I could date Casey Anthony. Did you ever think about inviting Ron on for a podcast? Of course. Of course.

You know Casey Anthony? You know who that is? Yes. I'd date Casey Anthony. I wouldn't have kids with her. I'm very good at compartmentalizing. She seems like she'd be a lot of fun. No, she doesn't.

No, she doesn't. No, no. Anyway, you got to compartmental. You got to do this is what you're good for. My mind is, I didn't think she had that great of a personality anyway. Casey Anthony? Casey Anthony? She was a pathological liar.

I'm just joking. It's a joke. Guy, what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah, we really need a private investigator to track down some of these people. I got a private investor. I can find him. I can find him.

You know what my problem? My concern is? My concern is reaching out to him and, see, I don't know what he could say. Right, White. We're talking about White. No, not Kevin White. Oh, you're talking about it? Kevin White, I could probably make two phone calls and get his phone number.

Oh, okay. You know, what are we talking about? I'm talking about Ron Wilson. Ron Wilson had a story. Ron Wilson had an amazing story. Not only that, Ron Wilson had these great little anecdotes that had happened. Like when he was a kid, he would tell a story about, he was a great storyteller. He's a common man.

He'd tell a story about when he was a kid. And I remember one time he had, he grew up on a farm with his brother. And I remember one time, there's no antidote to this story about, by the way, it's just a horrible story. When did he get out, though? Years ago. Six months after he was supposed to. Is he only got six months? Six months after he was supposed to.

No, he said when did he get out of prison? Yeah, six months after he was supposed to, right? No. He got an extra six months for my thing. Oh, but then he got early. He got out. He did less than half his time because of COVID. He was in his 60s.

So he got, he ended up with, he got 19 and a half years on his first charge. I got him an extra six months. So he got 20 years. He only did like eight or nine years because COVID came along and they put him in for COVID. He got compassionate release, got released. Wow. Right. So my little six months didn't do, they didn't change.

He didn't do one day on my six months, on the six months I gave him. They ran a consecutive. Right. No. No, COVID came out and he got released. God, he got released. He was supposed to do 20 years. Right.

He got out in eight because of COVID. Exactly. And you're saying he didn't do one day on your time. He didn't even do the first sentence. correct because his second sentence was consecutive so he never got to the second sentence that's what you're saying I'm actually agreeing with you at technically technically and you're jumping on my ass you did it all oh yeah that kind of makes sense anyway anyway let's move on so I'm saying I remember he had a story one time where he said he grew up on a farm and he said one day he was they had a dog he was like

seven or eight years old he said uh can his dad came in and he goes Ron. He said, you know, whatever, grab Skipper. And he goes, okay. So he grabbed Skipper. He's come on, follow me. They went walking out to where the, to where all the roosters, fucking, hens, whatever. The house, the barn. The chickens were. Oh, goes out to where the chicken coops are. So he goes out to where the chicken coops are. And they're standing there and his dad takes the dog and he said, and he takes the dog and he kind of holds the dog and dog's sitting there and he takes his gun out, boom, he shoots the dog. Dead.

Ron is like, he said, I start, I'm standing there. I'll cry. I start crying. I'm like, oh my God. He's like, when I calm down, he looks at his dad and he goes, I mean, his dad looks at him. He says, listen to me. That dog's been sucking eggs. You know what sucking eggs is?

Dogs will lick on an egg and they will suck out the, on an egg. They'll eat the yolk, right? They'll lick them and they suck them. And then they like it because it's food available, good food all the time. So they realize there's food in these things. So they'll constantly do it. You can't. And he looked at me.

He said, once a dog starts sucking eggs, he said, you can't break it. He said, that's our food. He said, that dog had to go. And Ron went, it's like, you know, he's like, okay, okay, okay, okay. And he said, let's go to dinner. You know, we'll go have dinner. I'll bury the dog. And he's like, and he would say stuff like,

He'd tell you a story, right? And then he would have it connected to something. He'd say, once somebody does such and such, he's like, you can't have nothing to do with him again. Like, that's a, he had like a clear line. I don't talk to that guy anymore, why you can't get people something like that to stop. You told me one time, he told me he lied to his dad one time. He said, I was supposed to clean something up and I didn't clean it up when I was supposed to. And he said, instead I did something else.

But then he came back and he did clean it up. But his dad had told him, clean it up before you go do such and such. Whatever it was, he had lied to his father, thought he got away with it. His dad goes, let's go out to the barn. And he thought, I'm good because I cleaned up. It's clean. Went out there, and I want to say, they walked in. He said, did you clean up this such and such before you did whatever?

And he was like, and I may have the story off. And it was like, yes, sir. And his father punched him straight in the face and knocked him to the ground. He's like, like, I was laying there. He's like, when I came to. I kind of looked up at him. He said, my dad reached down, put my hand. Like he said, I reached up, grabbed his hand, pulled him up.

He said, you didn't do it. You just lied to me. You did it. You didn't do it beforehand. You went and did whatever. He came back and then you did it. He said, don't ever lie to me, son. He said, yes, sir.

He said, I never fucking lie to that man again in my life. But, I mean, he had these great stories, and they were brutal. They were brutal. But he had the great stories. And, I mean, he could tell a story. And so his story was amazing, and then where he eventually, you know, he starts working for different companies, went to just try to go to college for a little bit. He said it just wasn't for him. Started working for these other companies. And then eventually when he, he went to work

for a company and they started selling silver and gold, whatever, precious metals. And then he eventually started his own precious metal company where they're trading precious metals, right? And he had kind of a way he was doing it. And he did. did it for like 10 years, legitimately. And then he's like, and I was doing well. I was making money. My wife and I, they got married. They raised two, I think two daughters.

I think it was two daughters. Two daughters. They lived on a farm or ranch or whatever you want to call it, a big acreage. He's like, you know, he's like, like, I wanted to do this. I wanted to open this. And I wanted to do these. He's like, we didn't have the money to do this. Like we always talked about possibly someday we could do this or that.

he said in one day somebody had come in and gave him a bunch of money you know piece like and keep in mind the people that buy precious metals a lot of it's cash not all of it but a lot of these are people that are something they're trying to hide money right kind of a black market you well like let's say you have you've been putting cash away and you realize at some point having cash isn't a good idea no like having 200,000 cash but if I go give this cash to Ron Wilson and he gives me silver that because cash is subject to appreciation and depreciation, right? And so is silver. But silver or gold or precious metals keep. And when things go bad, with the economy goes bad, precious metals go up.

So if I buy precious metals and things go bad, I'm good. I got a bunch of gold bars and I got a bunch of silver. I got 200,000 in gold bars that might be worth 350 now. So he goes, so he started this company. So sometimes people would just come and give him $200,000 in cash or $100,000. And he said, somebody came and gave him like a couple hundred thousand dollars. And he looked at it and he thought, you know, I could, I could build that barn and put those solar panels out there if I didn't buy the, put the, buy the gold. Keep in mind, too, if you gave him half a million dollars, almost nobody, very few people take, take possession of it. Well, he's, well, he, he he's doing is he's supposedly buying it and it's being kept in a warehouse, right? He's being

kept in a depository. And then they trade that. He trades it as a commodity. On the market? On the market, right. So, not just what other people are not thinking. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that's what they call it. But yeah, he trades it. So you might, you know, and you might be buying fractions of whatever trade or whatever. So every month he put out sheets. So what he does is he just takes the money. And then he's, and he's like, and I don't know why. He's like, my life was good. We weren't struggling. We traveled. We did this. We did that. And he said, and one day I just decided, like, these people are giving me their money for like retirement and stuff. And they just keep giving me money. None of them ever ask for the money. Right. Like, this guy's going to retire

in 20 years and he thinks he'll have two million dollars, but I'll be dead by then. And I'm just not going to do this anymore. I'm just going to start doing what I want with the money. He's like, like, I'll be able to keep it rolling. I'll be able to keep the balls in the air. Right. Long enough that anybody that asked me for the money, I can give them the money back. It's a Ponzi scheme. The only way it's going to fall apart is if the entire market were to collapse and people

all wanted their money back. So in 2000. Or some of them want their money back that you spent. Like what happened to Madoff? No, no. What happened to Madoff was the market collapsed. Oh, yeah. And that's what happened to run.

Ron Wilson. Same time. The market collapsed. So with the market collapsed, people started asking for money. And he did have the money, but it was, it got to be a struggle. And then eventually the Secret Service showed up and started investigating. And he just went in. He just went in. He just, well, he actually just showed up. He just went in there and got his lawyer, told lawyer was going on. They went in. He said, you got me. So, but what's funny about that is that he had all. all of these amazing stories about people coming in. Like there were sometimes he would tell a story about somebody. And he would get extremely emotional, tear up, and start crying. Because he couldn't stomach what he had done. And then there were other times he would tell a brutal story and laugh about it. And I was like, it was like he, I remember this one time he said, he told a story. he said, there was a woman.

He said, you know, he said, her husband, she'd married, he was, she was a trophy wife. She'd married an older man. He's probably 20 years older. She was, he said, she was getting to be about 40. He was in her 60s. Right. And he said, so, you know, and he'd been buying from me regularly. Like, she'd come in.

And he said, well, he was, she'd been, he said, she came in one day. And she said, look, I want to, I want to buy some silver with you. And he goes, well, what's. going on with you and uh you and john she's we're getting divorced he goes okay she said would you invest my money he goes yeah let me call him make sure it's okay here so i call john and john says yeah you know it's not working out and i'm getting up there and she's he and also by the way she had been diagnosed with um with uh cerebral palsy and he goes it wasn't so much that you could tell yet he's like like her hand was a little shaky but you couldn't

tell. He said, but you know, it's a progressive disease. It gets worse and worse, the point where you're, you can't get out of a fucking chair. He's like, so, you know, he said, she, she had this money and I said, and he said, yeah, yeah, you know, she's been diagnosed and she's going to need to invest that money and this and that. We're about to be divorced. And it's okay. He's like, you know, like it's a good divorce. Right. I'm okay with her. You know, work with her. Okay. He says, fine. He says, I'd already taken all his money. He don't know it. He's got nothing left. But so he said, she went to him. She said, what, how, how much would I, if I gave you $100,000 in cash? And he goes, you mean cash, cash? And he's like, cash. And she's like, yeah,

$100,000 in cash. She said, how much could you make me in 10 years? Because in about 10 years, she's going to be in bad shape. Right. He goes, 10 years, you probably, probably have about a million dollars. And she was like, maybe more. Wow. What, maybe more. And, and, and, and, and, and, he's like, you know, on the safe bet. And she's like, he's like, well, he's like, well, I got a question for you. He goes, listen, you married that man in your 20s. You've been married 20 years. He's like, you knew this is Dave has been coming for a long time.

He was, you squirled away more money than $100,000. He said, what do you really have? Give me something to work with. And she went. And he's running a Ponzi scheme. And she said, put his hand right in her panties to get her money. She leans back. He said, she went,

I got $300,000 in cash. And he goes, you give me $300,000. He is 10 years from now, you will never have to worry about money again. And she said, I'll bring the money tomorrow. He goes, all right. And I went, I was like,

she had cerebral palsy. He goes, I know. And I went, what did you do with that $300,000? He goes, I bought this beautiful chariot that was, he said, it was 1820, it had been refurbished. He was, and I put it in the heritage. He had a museum. He said, I put it in the heritage museum.

He said, it was gilded with gold. It was gorgeous. And I think we took some of that money. And my wife and I went to South Africa and we went on a, on a vacation for about two weeks. Wow. He said, yeah. And I just was like, and he was like, oh, that, it was, he said that, it wasn't a charity. It was a coach.

He was, he was his beautiful coach, beautiful coach. He said, still in the museum. He said, you know, Secret Service is like, they're selling that. The receiver sold all that. But still, he said, beautiful, beautiful. And I just was like, like, heartless. 300,000 from a person with cerebral palsy who was hoping in 10 years she'd never have to work again. Who, got that money.

It's, that's, that's Barrington's story. That's all those con men to deal with older people's story. But do you understand that there were other stories he would tell? And I mean, halfway through the story, he'd just start crying. So it was like, why was it that that didn't affect you? But this story has you in tears. Well, he thinks something about that woman is deprived. Like he feels like, I don't know, he thinks something about her is deprived.

And listen, his sales techniques, he could tell you so many sales stories that would boggle your mind. He was so brazen. He was amazing. I mean, you know, horrible person. But, you know, impressive. Very productive. You know, it's hard for me to hate these guys. It's I want to.

I know the right thing to do is to. How do you think he feels about you? Oh, I'm sure he. Actually, it's funny. We don't even have time. I've gone into this before. I know that he doesn't have a problem with me at all. because he sent a message back because keep in mind he was cooperating against his co-defendants so when so he sent a message back through a guy who told him this is a black guy that came up to me and was and told me look he just got in the compound and he was like listen he was he was he was you know a white guy named matt cox and i was like i'm matt cox and he's like oh shit he's like yo bro i got a i got a question you know i have a message from you from uh ron wilson and i thought holy shit you know like

that's about that's a bad like that's not a good like I'm like oh shit like that's could go but it's about to go bad you thought he might be like bow you know teach me a lesson boom smash me in the face I'd be looking up at him from the ground um but he but he said it was actually a count I've told this story before anyway he said he said he said he said oh me no and not too oh no I've told these guys you got to hear this story anyway he says and they're about to count and it's super quiet and I'm like well what's up bro and he said listen he said uh I was locked up and sell Carolina with War on Wilson. He knew I was coming here. I was like, okay. And he said, he told me to tell you that he wants you to know. He totally understands what you did. He's okay with it. He hopes you get as much time off as possible. And to let you know, he found Jesus and he's going to be okay. And I went, okay, okay, you know, not realizing he was going to be out in a couple years. He's thinking he's dying in there. So, and I was like, wow, I was like, okay. And I go, is this going to be an issue? Am I going to hear people telling me that you're walking around talking about this? And he goes, and he goes, bro, he said, I just got three years. He is, but I promise you, I'm not going to be here

very long. He is if you know what I mean. And I looked at her, I said, I do know what you mean. He said, he gave each other the snitching gap. Yeah, he gave, we both were like this. And he was like, all right. And then sure enough, that dude was gone like two months later. He's just gone. Wow. Yeah. So he's good. Best has ever done it. No. Anyway. No. So, no. My niece, my niece's boyfriend went from life to six years. Fuck. He got arrested like three years after me and did like three years. Jesus. Life to three years. He testified at like. It's not federal. Yeah. Oh, really? Eight trials. Jesus. So anyway, listen. So I'll, so anyway, yeah, yeah, it'd be great to talk to Ron Wilson. I would love to track him. And I could probably, I got a buddy who's a, who's a private

investigator. He could get me his information and I could call him. I just, you know, I just, and I should, and I always told, I told everybody I was going to do it as soon as I got off probation. I haven't done it yet. What about Facebook? No, no, I'm saying, he's not, he's not, he's an old man. He's not, I really looked on my family. I could get it. I'm telling me, it's not hard for me to do it. I just, I don't know. I, I need to do it. Because I don't think he does hate me, especially some guy who had never affected. He got out. And he'd have done it to me. He even said in the whole thing, like, oh, I'd have done it. Like, I know exactly what I would have. And I know you would have. And the shoe was on the other foot. I'd have done

the same thing. So anyway, the point is, is that I'm gonna, we gotta wrap this up? Can we wrap it up? Yeah. Last closing statement. So Diddy is innocent. Diddy is what? Innocent? I'm not gonna. So my opinion is it's, it's not baby oil bad. You know, he's trying to get you to say the word innocent. Oh, no. He wants the word innocent to come out of your mouth. I think it's not baby oil bad. I think it's just consensual freaky freakiness that some people find offensive and some people don't.

I don't think it's racketeer or what is it, RICO racketeering. You don't think it's RICO worthy? No, no. Everything is RICO worthy. And let me just say this real quick. When I was at Beaumont, I met a kid that was there on a RICO act when him and his buddies were rappers. Oh, yeah. And they gave him, I'm like, what?

They gave him RICO and they put all kinds of acts in there, like how he had snatched one kid's iPhone one time. And his mom made him give it back. And like he even said the judge was kind of like, I'm having a hard time. understanding what these kids did. Right. He go, well, some of them were selling drugs and, you know, it's just, come on. That RICO is ridiculous. Well, I think that it applies to, like, the mob.

If you have a well-oil machine. It was intended to apply to the mob. Remember the woman in Georgia, the prosecutor in Georgia that charged Trump with RICO, but she also charged teachers who were getting together trying to raise the, um, the, uh, a testing score, she gave them the RICO and got guilty pleas from all of them. Like, we're all teachers, and we're kind of like, we're going to help these kids. Like, we're going to try to get some more money and we're going to teach, you know, get kids to get a higher score. Of course, probably sliding some answers.

Right. But they got RICO. And I thought to myself, I'm like, how is that RICO? Yeah, the problem is, is if you give, like, you know, look, you know that. You give them a hammer pretty soon everything looks like a nail. You know, they pass these laws and they're super liberal, and then they just use them across the board. Across the board. Right.

And there's nobody. And the judges who should be like, hey, pull it back, they just rubber stamp everything. Yes. I told you, the kid I met, he was 23, right? And the judge, I'm reading the transcript. The judge is kind of like, I'm having a hard time. Even though she should have pulled it back, she still let all of them go to prison for like 18 months a year. But she's telling the prosecutor, like, I'm kind of having a hard time figuring out where you're going with this.

I just, you just re-goed eight kids that rap. Right. And you're saying some of them sold weed and you're, I got this kid going to prison. That could be any group of kids in America, you know, who, like, there's always two or three guys selling, selling weed. There's always a guy doing this. There's always somebody who's stealing cars or, and what we all get together once a month and, and have a pizza party. And now it's a RICO case? I remember telling them, I was like, what was the organization?

He goes, our rap group. That was the common, but they're doing that now. Like, I heard on the news that they're trying to RICO some kids and rap. It's insane. Like you said, they, everything looks like a, they get a hammered, everything looks like a nail. So I just, I believe that it's, it's a culmination of probably some unsavory things that I, and charge them individually. Yeah, that I, a prosecutor.

could make look very unsavory. Right. Like, oh, wow. $32 check. Yeah. How do you sleep at night? That's right. Bounced.

I think it was 37. But, 37, sorry. Last question for you, Zach, prediction as far as sentencing free, what do you think happens? To P. Diddy?

Yes. I think he, I think he wins a trial. No way. There's no way. I think he wins a trial. I think he O.J. Simpsons. I think he has the money for a dream team. I think he, O.J. Sim. I think there's some lawyers out there want to make a name. Like, R. Kelly, completely guilty is minors. Right. And, and, like, unquestionable. I think P. Denny is just freaky and, and sexual. And I think he made too much noise and someone's trying to beat him down in place. And so, um, I just don't believe that, like, reading the indictment, I just, I'm like, eh, eh, you know, like, I disagree.

You can make, you can make anything a crime, Matt. You know that. Yeah. Anything can be a crime. Was it a felony a day? Yeah. Everybody commits one felony a day. Yeah.

So, and I think that's what they did to him. I think, but I'm not saying he's innocent. My mom used to commit. I'm saying he did something. But you just said it. The thing is, I can cut, I'll just cut that. Yeah. What you just said right there?

It's going to be, it's going to say, he's innocent. Nice. Hey, you guys, if you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified videos just like this. Also, please consider joining our Patreon. It's $10 a month. We have Patreon exclusive content on the Patreon channel. It really does help Colby and I make videos like this.

It helps us compensate Zach. I just joking. All right. So, thank you very much. Is that it? Yeah. All right. See ya.

I got to this coffee's been working me the whole time. Well, you could have stopped and gone to the bathroom. You could stop anytime you want.