Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Diddy Trial Insider Exposes Lies from the Media, Witnesses, & More!

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

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I'm in the courtroom, court TV, entertainment tonight, TMZ. I'm giving a whole other report than what they're saying. I'm going to tell it like it is, man. Homeboy got a chance to beat this. When this first came down when he was arrested and they searched his house and then the way you saw what everybody was saying in the media and on YouTube, I thought Puffy was done, man. I went over to the city.

I live in North Jersey, so I catch the train over every morning. I go to Jersey City, I jump on the path train, I go into the World Trade Center, and then I walk to the federal court. And I see, yo, they fin to destroy Puff, right? So I go to one of the jury selection process days, right? And I'm there, and that's not too, you know, that's no big deal. But then the day that Cassie testified, I think Cassie might have. have been their third witness, I went to all three days of her testimony. And after she got done testifying, I said, Homeboy got a chance to beat this, man. Now, I know you didn't did fair time

and I didn't did fair time, and we know you go to trial. You usually get your boot smoked, right? What is it, 96% of the time, 95, whatever the conviction rate is. But I think Puff, man, he's got a mean legal team. I think he got a chance to beat it, man. You know, one of the things that had come out was like the Kim Porter memoir, right, that had come out that was released. And, you know, and it went nuts.

Bestseller, everything. Obviously, they got it taken down pretty quick. It sold over almost 50,000 copies in like three, four weeks. And it had all kinds of salacious allegations in it. You started hearing rumors about, I'm going to say, I'm going to call it CP, you can figure out what it is, and videotapes. And there's definitely, you know, Will Smith's son, Bieber, Usher, all of these guys that were or these kids that were underage and there's videotapes.

And what had happened in the course of looking into the Kim Porter stuff, multiple things that I obviously, that I figured out was one that prior to. the book being released, the people that released the book were shopping videotapes saying, hey, we have videotapes. And so that was everywhere. And so the media was going nuts, right? And then as you, as it kind of the whole thing fell apart, the book gets put out there. And it turns out that the guy who's going to all of these attorneys and stuff saying,

hey, you're trying to sell this information. It turns out that he'd never actually seen the information. Then ultimately it turns out these tapes don't exist. Look at that. So in social media's eyes, because he was shopping them, the word was getting around, TMZ is doing little broadcasts about how somebody's out there shopping these tapes. There's all of these podcasts about these tapes being shopped. Jaguars talking about it.

She's saying, hey, there's tapes out there. I'm hearing getting rumors that this is what's happening. Before you know it, it was every. that there are tapes. They're out there. They exist. People have seen them. People are shopping them. They're going to be released. Then his house gets raided. They've got the tapes of the CP. They've got it. He's done. But then if you look at the actual indictment, there's nothing in the indictment about it. It ain't none came out at the trial. Right. Because those tapes don't exist. That was a rumor that I told, you know, I tell you, you tell three people. Three people tell,

those three people tell three people before you know it. It's, it's, it's, there's a bunch of podcasts. It's everywhere. And it becomes absolutely 100% fact that there, these tapes exist. And in reality, they don't exist. And then ultimately, in the end, the Kim Porter, uh, manuscript or memoir doesn't exist either. It was fabricated also. so that was now fabricated and in that it talks about these tapes it talks about these relationships with these young artists and the truth is and keep in mind it's the same guy who publishes that that's also trying to sell the tapes so it turns out all of that's fake all of that was fabricated and and that same guy that the guy that I believe wrote that manuscript he has never said he

did, but I mean, everything says he did. He was actually called in front of the grand jury to talk about it for did he. And then they called him a second time, but by the second time they called him, he wouldn't go. He wouldn't go because now the government knows these things don't exist. And his lawyer said, no, no, no, you can't go. Because now the lawyer knows they don't exist. And the lawyer is thinking they get you in front of there now that you're going to get you lying to a federal grand jury. You're going to get arrested. So he doesn't go. But that's how kind of these rumors get started where it's, you know, and I'm not saying that, you know, that Diddy's a great guy or anything. He's clearly, you know, got some major issues, you know, but some of the

allegations that are overly outrageous, you know, who knows? You just don't know. That, that's, I'm just saying that to kind of give a little bit of a context to the, you know, it seemed like in the media like poor Cassie was dating this guy and he was just a monster to her and she was being manipulated she was an unwilling participant and she didn't want anything to do with any of this and he was you know but that's not what's come what you're saying's coming out. Yo that's a great way for you to open up this segment man because everything that you said I don't know the specifics about what you said with these tapes right you saying that is the first time I'm hearing it. But Matt, what I thought, man, when they showed the videotape of him

assault and Cassie, right? Now, Puff is guilty of assault. Yeah. Puff is guilty of domestic violence, right? He's guilty of battery, 1,000 percent because we can see it on the tape. what I didn't know and what they didn't disclose is that's actually a six minute tape where in that same scene they're sitting there talking to each other

before he gets violent with her right after he assaults her and then the security dude comes up Cassie says I want to, he asked Cassie, do you want to leave? She said, yeah. Puffs says she ain't going nowhere.

The security guy said, yes, she is. She's leaving. So the security guy let her dip. She jumps into Uber, goes to her crib by her friend. Her best friend is there. Her best friend, Caesar, calls the 5-0, calls the cops. The cops come over to Cassie's crib. they come in her best friend says they roughed her up pushed up the LAPD pushed up against the wall

asked her for her driver's license she gave it they asked Cassie for her driver's license she wouldn't give it to him and they asked Cassie what happened to you and the best friend is saying tell him what happened and she was like nah I ain't got nothing to say so she doesn't rat on puff then later on that night right She'd go back by Puff's crib, right, either back to the hotel or two's crib, and then they go to her movie premiere together, right? That was either, the date to either March to 5th or March the 6th. I thought I heard it in the courtroom that all of this happened on the same day

in terms of the assault and then them going out together the same night or it might have even been the next day. But the point is, is that when they first thought, talking about this Cassie thing, man. I thought he had Cassie tied up in the basement, chained up to the hot water heater and just was like denying her food and this, you know what I'm saying? But it wasn't nothing like that, man. The prosecution, Cassie was a prosecution's witness.

And they put up all of these text messages, man, dating back to 07, 08, 09. and Cassie and Puffy text each other from the time they both wake up to the time they both go to sleep I love you, I miss you, you know what I'm saying and what, and Cassie was on the stand and she, she, they were in love, man. You know what I'm saying?

And it just made me rethink and I have to rethink everything that these news houses say now because they engage in selective reporting, right? They're only going to report what fits their narrative. Yeah. Right? Because I'm in the courtroom.

CNN is in there with me. Newsweek, Fox News. I'm in there with everybody. But I'm coming out. I'm giving a whole other report than what they're saying. And we all in the courtroom together. Court TV, Entertainment Tonight. TMZ.

You know what I'm saying? Well, and TikTok, like all the TikTokers that are reporting, everything I see every day is they're like that's it he's cooked he was on the stand they Cassie said he did this Cassie's like and I'm listening to it it's like you know it's a minute and a half of just of Cassie just and not just Cassie but the other the other witnesses also you know today so-and-so came in he said this he said this he said she said this he said you know and I'm thinking it's all just against against him and but you on social

media, you don't hear the other side. The problem is the jury does. And here's what happens is that ultimately if the jury says he's innocent or finds him not guilty, then people will go nuts. How could you have done that?

Because I sat in the jury box and I heard all the evidence. I didn't get my news from a fucking TikTok. Thank you. So, sorry, go ahead. Now, your views, if you get on the ditty tip, the ditty going down to, on YouTube, Instagram shorts, TikTok, I'm assuming.

It's huge. Your numbers are going to blow up. Right. But if you are on the tip like, man, you know, Puff got a chance or you are poking holes in the prosecution's, your numbers is not going to be as strong. Nobody wants to hear that Santa Claus doesn't exist, right? I'm going to tell it like it is, man.

I'm in the courtroom, man. I'm there. It's three courtrooms, Puffy and them up on the 26th floor. They got an overflow on the 23rd floor and an overflow on the 24th floor. But in the overflow courtrooms, they have these big LED TVs, and they got all of the PCs with the proceedings live where you can see the witness on the witness stand and you can see Puffy and the prosecution and his whole team. So I'm in there taking real notes, man. I'm on sneakers, boots on the ground, man. Well, what is she saying like, here's a thing.

She who? Cassie. So here's the thing is, I mean, you ever heard that, the saying, like, if somebody shows, somebody shows you who they are, believe them, you know? And it's like when you hear these text messages or when people text, you know what I'm saying, how many times have you seen something on TikTok or something where they're like, your concern is, like a guy walks in and he looks down and sees a file that has his Instagram name on it. And he goes into, you know, HR and looks down and sees his, his Instagram

name on it. And he thinks, oh my God. Like, you know, what have I been posted? Or your girl gets it and looks at the group chat between you and four of your buddies. It's like, oh, Jesus, the stuff that we say to each other. But that's who you are. You know what I'm saying? That's what you're, That's your real raw feelings. And when a man and woman are talking to each other in text messages or in person, like, when nobody's around, like, that's your real thoughts. Like, what are the, what are her text messages? What are there, it is just, I love you and I, it's just back and forth. Do they ever talk about any of the, you know, sexual things that they're engaging in?

Is it, is she, I didn't, I don't feel comfortable with what you asked me to do last night. Is there anything negative like that? No. No. Because based on social media, that's what I would think. She would be like, I can't believe you forced me to do that. I would never do it. Please don't ever ask me to do it.

That's how social media makes it sound. That's the way the media made it sound prior to. I didn't see none of that. And no one in the courtroom who was there with boots on the ground saw none of that. Let me say this, man. Let me just go ahead and qualify, man. That, you know, I heard a lot of things about Puff, right? Puff is a drug addict.

Cassie testified to that I don't understand, say they use drugs every day for 11 years. Puffy may a jerk people in the music industry. He may a jerk people for their masters. He may be an unscrupulous businessman, right? He may be a sexual deviant. He's guilty of domestic violence. He beats women.

He may be guilty of assault. You understand? So I don't want people that watch your show to think, like, I don't, right. You're not idolizing this guy. No, no. My man is not, he's got his own issues, but a RICO case, I don't see it. But to answer your question, Cassie was a willing participant in a lot of the freak-offs, right?

And a freak-off was nothing more than Cassie, Puffy, and a male escort, three people, right? And that's what they're referring. That's a freakoff. That's basically the definition at this point. It's not six guys and two women. And you go into this room and, you know. Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size. Whether you're taking over your parents' basement or moving to campus, IKEA has hundreds of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget.

After all, you're in your small space era. Time to own it. Shop now at IKEA.ca. Oh, these white parties, none of that, man. There's no, nobody's chain to the bed. No, man. Disappointing. And she, there are text messages where she is texting him initiating freakoffs. Like, baby, I love you.

I was, you know, Puff and say, ah, I was thinking about an FO. And she was like, man, I was just getting ready to text you. and tell you, I'm thinking the same thing. Let me call so-and-so, the male escort, and let me get everything set up. And she, Cassie, heats up the baby oil, and she pours the baby oil in the little baby pool. They both, they both was...

They both was into that, man. Right. And she's the one who's orchestrating it. They both did. Okay. But you asked me, was she on the tip? Like, I don't want to do this. you making me, I don't, you know, you're forcing me, it wasn't none of that. She was with it.

Right. You understand? Is he, like, is he, is she on like payroll? Like, she's getting a check every, every month. That's his lady, man. Right. That's his lady. He had like six, seven girlfriends, man. They named them all. And they're all getting a check every month by paying their rent or they don't bring that up. I don't know about the mother girls, but it was a, and he was supposedly knocking down his babysitter too. But Cassie, he loved Cassie, man. And Cassie loved him. That sounds like... 100%, man.

100%. The text messages show it. It shocked me. I'm sitting in the courtroom like... And she's on the stand. And out of all the witnesses, Matt, she's the only one that I've seen that didn't tell not one lie.

She didn't get busted in no lie on the cross. She just had one date mixed up, whether something occurred in September or October. She wasn't too sure. But she sat up there and told it what it was. And they asked her, did you love Puffy? She said, yeah. And Matt, he asked her, do you still love Puffy?

They said, Sean Combs. Yeah. Do you still love Mr. Combs? And she paused and caught herself. Because what she wanted to say was, hell yeah. she said, I love our past, right? Because obviously now she's married. She's pregnant.

She's got three kids with this guy, a personal trainer who Puffy turned her on to. It's going to be a bad night. Right. You understand? She said, I love our past. Now, if it was so traumatic, if, if, you know, why would you get on the stand and say in court that I love our past? I love our past. And to me, once she got off the stand, I said, man,

if this is y'all's star witness, if this is who y'all had to convict Puff, it didn't happen. It didn't happen. Because I'm sitting there waiting like, and I think everybody in the courtroom was waiting on her to drop the hammer on them. You know, because really she could have shot him in the hand.

Oh, yeah, she said, it's traumatic. Are you, I'm traumatized? I can't even think about him without crying. It's, I have nightmares. I, yeah, yeah, she could have. I saw Puff by 50 Keys from a drug cartel. Then we came, him and another guy from the cartel, unalive two dudes.

I saw all of this. And then we, she could, if she really hated him, Matt, and she really had revenge and spite and anger in her heart, she could have got up on that stand and lied. And the prosecutor. would have let it go down right and she could have she could have destroyed puff but she didn't man she all she kept saying was how much she loved them man did she ever say that she was felt like she was coerced into doing these things like is she saying it was coerced but then they're reading

text messages and it doesn't sound like that or well this is what i've learned about the prosecution team and how they're handling their witnesses the government you know the witnesses for the prosecution. They're meeting with these witnesses two times, four times, eight times before they actually take the stand. Going over their testimony. Going on what you're going to say. I'm going to say this. And then I need you to say this. I need you because they have to make it fit the indictment. Right. Now, did she say buzzwords being led by the prosecution? right to say certain things absolutely but then she would come right back Matt two minutes later and say something to negate everything that was in this indictment man so if they're saying like

do you ever feel like you were manipulated and um coerced into these things and she says yes and then a minute later she's saying something where she's you know well let's read this text or whatever or what did you say at this date she's like well at this date i told him i was interested and then I contacted the male prostitute. I had him, I arranged for his flight in. I had a relationship after we met with this particular male prostitute. I kept in touch with him and became friends with him without Puff. I used to see him without Puff.

Right. Yeah, you know, the battered woman syndrome is, you know, like, obviously, like, I mean, I, it's, that's a real thing. I believe that. When it breaks down to me is when you say, hey, this person's paying all your bills and you have ample opportunity to get away from this person. So I can see if you, you don't have a job, you have no money, you live in the single wide trailer with your husband who beats you, comes home, gets drunk and terrorizes you, you know he pays all the bills you have no you have no means of escape you have two kids and you there's nowhere for you to go and you stay in that situation and you become kind of like

a de facto um uh what you're you're being held against her will what is it like a hostage you're it's like it's you know you're becoming you're almost a financial hostage right yeah financially and you know and hey maybe maybe physically but at very least it's like where am i going to go there's no money in the house. I have two kids. This guy, you know, he never gives me any money. I have no vehicle. I have, like, where am I supposed to go to get away from this person? The level of, you know, I get motivation you would have to have to have to go to a battered woman shelter. You'd have to put your kids in child protective custody. You'd have to go out and get a job. You'd have to save your

money. You'd have to then apply to get your kids back. You know, you would, it's, it's about two years before you end up living in a one bedroom with your two kids, you know, and you have to worry about this guy. And so I can see that these women get in that situation and they can't seem to escape. They probably could, but it's, it's not, that's not the situation she was in. She's got money. She was already famous before she met him. Right. She's more concerned. Her real concern seems like I want to stay in my penthouse. I don't know if she lives in a pit house. You know what I'm saying? She wants to stay in this really nice property that he's probably providing for her. She wants to keep getting her check every month. And I understand you're saying she's in love with him. But if you take

that into consideration too, and how much danger could she really be in? At any point, she could, she could pull whatever means, you know, she has, right? Her funds. And she could leave. She could disappear. He's not going to find her. Like, she has plenty of ample opportunity to leave and disappear or go somewhere else. He's probably not going to hunt her down. If he does, not like he's going to beat her, throw her in the trunk and drag her back to his house. She could always have filed police reports. Once a couple, you file one or two police reports, now he's definitely not coming after you because now he's terrified.

There's these filings on law. These things have been filed. The police have these reports. If anything happens to her, I'm the first person they're looking at. is a paperwork sale. What really seems to me is that she's concerned, the manipulation, if you call it that, or coercion is she doesn't want to downgrade her lifestyle to get away from him.

If she does want to get away from him, I think probably that videotape, knowing it's on tape and she can get some money out of it. She did. She got $10 million from the hotel. That's probably her kind of, her golden parachute, and at that point, I've got to get out of the situation. Why? Because he just cut me a check for 10 million and our relationship will never be the same. No, the hotel gave

a check for 10 million. The hotel? Oh, I thought, didn't she sue him? She got 20 million from the civil suit. And then the day she was on the stand, that Friday, it came out that she negotiated a settlement with the Intercontinental Hotel at L.A. for 10 million. So she got 30 million total. But let me say this. You could slap me around like a bitch for $30 million. I want to qualify and I want to look into this camera and say this. So I want to say to all my lady followers or any women out there that are watching this video,

I watched my mother be a part of domestic violence in my early childhood. I saw my mother get beat up by my father. so I don't condone domestic violence. I don't minimize domestic violence versus women. And I'm in no way overlooking domestic violence against women. So I just wanted to say that. 30 million.

She got 30 mil. She got 20 mil from Puff. Initially, before she got the 20 mil, her and her lawyer reached out to Puffy's lawyer and they told him Cassie wrote a tell-all book which she talked about on the stand and they wanted 30 million

he turned it down she went and filed the lawsuit that's when he remember he caught it in one day and settled it it was for 20 million absolutely untrue every allegation is untrue we will not be blackmailed give her 20 million

shut this down as quick as possible gave her 20 million and then on the stand two weeks ago, she testified that she had just settled with the Intercontinental Hotel in L.A. for 10 million. So what about the other, what about the male prostitute? Was it the same male prostitute that came in?

You think I can say prostitute? Yeah. Why would you settle with the hotel for? The hotel was covering up what's going on? Right, because the Puff had tried the bribe. the security dude for the tape. I think he gave $100 grand for the tape. So she used that angle

to get $10 million out of them. And they didn't call the police. They didn't... All of that. Yeah, whatever went on with that. Right. So... What about the male...

the male prostitute in the whole thing? Is it the same guy for 11 years? No, there's 13 of them. Wow. There's 13 of them. Let me see. One, two, three.

4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. 3 in New York, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 in Vegas, 6 in L.A., 2,000, 2,000, 3 in Miami. So these guys that are, he's in L.A. These guys are being paid to fly in. No, if he's in L.A., they call somebody in L.A. So they're not flying in these guys from other, because I had always been under the assumption that he was flying in male sex workers in general from other states. Because the moment you say, hey, I'm going to pay this person to perform a sexual act, they're in Idaho. Let's fly them in.

Trafficking. You're done. Like, that's the definition of it. But that's not what's happening. That's not. Whenever they were in Vegas. It's Vegas. They had somebody in Vegas whenever they were in New York, they had somebody in New York.

Whenever they was in L.A., they had somebody in L.A. Now, if they took a particular affinity to a particular dude and flew him in, that may have happened. Now, the dude that got on the stand, the Punisher, that's his name. Cassie found him. It's not good. That's his name. It's not a good name. Cassie found him on a website, right?

And she found him. Right. They are paid independent contractors. They are independent contractors of the company. Right. And on their website, it says that we do not engage in prostitution. Right. And then he started his own website, the punisher.com.

and when he was on the stand he also stated that on my website it says that we do not engage in prostitution that we are paid from the company okay but they are accepting funds gratuity

go on I mean listen I'm just telling you what I heard in the courtroom man right they were puffers praying is there a specific amount Or is the, we, we work on tips. That implies I don't have to pay you all. I've heard different, I heard different, uh, amounts.

There were different amounts for different times. What, what is, what is, what are they going for? He was giving them what, um, one time, asking for a friend. One time Cassie had set up, uh, uh, an episode with, uh, one of them. And he came and they canceled on them. and they still gave them 500. Okay. But they would give them 1,800,500, $200,000.

Yeah, I think I've heard somewhere that it's between 500 and like $1,500 or $2,500 based on performance. Right. Yeah. Right. So the numbers might be a little off, but something based off performance was in the furbage. Right. I feel like I'd be, I'd gotten the low $500. It's performance-based.

So did these guys have to sign like a gag order or does he, when they come in, does he say you're going to sign an non-disclosure agreement or anything like that? No, my man said the first time he went, Cassie opened the door, met him at the door. They brought him in, sat him down, him and Cassie was talking. And they started to get into their thing rubbing baby oil on each other and then Puff comes out of the room. with a mask on and is just watching them right so that he but he doesn't say nothing

he doesn't speak to the dude or her but then he begins to give suggestions do this let me see y'all do that let me see y'all do this and then he leaves and then

Cassie will go out and leave and go in and talk with Puffalo little while and then she would come back out and ask my man yo do you want to finish and uh that's what it would do and then he said eventually he said one time he went i think this was at trump international in manhattan um he never knew who puff was until he went into the room and then on the tv you know how it says welcome matt cox to right and this would have had welcome Sean Combs to the and then he was like

oh snap this is Puff and then Puff started just coming out in the baseball cap but he would never talk to him he would never talk to him and what about the because in the indictment it talks about being

these guys are being coerced they saw guys had guns they felt threatened that sort of thing no none of them have the punisher dude so far I think he's the only male escort that is testified it may be one before

that but I him he never had no guns or not like that and he said that Cassie enjoyed it right and he when he said when the prosecutors reached out to him he was looking at them like telling him like I don't know why y'all are reaching out to me because

none of that occurred with none of what y'all are saying you want me to say in this indictment it didn't happen she was interested she enjoyed it you know uh you know i don't know what to tell you have they introduced anything as far as guns or weapons uh because weren't weapons seized i had heard their weapons were seized when they raided his house in miami and this was interesting because the dude uh his name was gannon he led the raid on two-star island, which is the crib in Miami.

Typically, they do raids at 6 o'clock in the morning. But on Puff, they raided his crib at quarter to four in the afternoon when he had just went to the airport with his daughters and they was getting ready to catch a flight out of the country. Right? So the defense brought that up. Like, yo, why did y'all? Why did y'all, this is what you typically do,

but for my man, you do it at quarter to 40. Actually, it was 3.40. You think that was orchestrated so that people would say he's on a flight trying to leave because that was the big thing right afterwards. He's on a flight leaving the country right now. That blew it up. Like, he's escaping. So they found some, they found the uppers and the lowers of an AR-15 in separate places.

The guns was not put together, right? And the serial numbers have been scratched off. but the defense and then when they took the pictures of the guns they put everything together right right and during the cross-examination Puffy's team brought up and says well why did you put all of this together

they said the guns wasn't together right it wasn't assembled right and he was like no there was no magazine in the gun right no this isn't a functional weapon right And then they says, you know, in the state of Florida, this is how we ended this cross. He says, you know, in the state of Florida, everybody has guns, right? And he was like, yeah. Because in New York and in Jersey, the gun laws are like super strict.

Yeah. Whereas down here, y'all walking around with guns like nothing, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So they brought that up. So it's still illegal to have a defaced weapon. And even a piece of a weapon in the federal system, they can charge you with having the entire weapon even if it's not functional because I know a guy in prison that was convicted felon he was actually charged with two weapons one was just the butt of a weapon he had actually taken a shotgun

and sawed off the butt then he'd sold off the barrel which had been discarded and so they found the butt and they found the finished product and they charged him with both with two weapons this is part of a weapon that's part even though it was clear that this is what happened but that's that's what they

you know that's what they had indicted him on and he got charged he got charged with two different weapons and you know it didn't matter he either was a mandatory minimum so I think he got whatever five or ten years I forget what he got but so I mean I think that is probably a nail and it's caught that and if they get to a point where they can

tell the jury where it's 100% proof or proven that he had this guy travel from whatever you know California to Las Vegas or you know to Nevada for purposes of you know prostitution and paid him like that's trafficking like the definition all they have to do is read the definition is that what he did is that what you heard on the stand yes they're going to go okay because keep in mind too the jury doesn't know what he's facing like they they don't know how much time all they're being asked is i don't know about that part you really think that no i'm not saying i'm saying i'm not saying that they don't because obviously they read the papers they know right okay okay i'm saying is technically

technically their only job is to determine guilt and innocent based on the facts based on the facts they don't tell them by the way if you find him guilty he can get a maximum of 20 years they don't hear that right right right right right what they hear is did he engage

or was someone directed by him to hire this person to fly them in for the purposes of prostitution if they say now you heard you heard Mr. Punisher.

You heard Mr. Punisher say this is what happened. I don't know that he did, obviously. It may be another guy coming on the stand or maybe. You know, you heard Mr. Johnson say he flew in. He'd been with him several times in Vegas, and he lived in California or in L.A., and then he was there several times, and then they asked him to fly in, or Cassie asked him to fly in,

then is that, you know, doesn't that meet the definition? And people are on the stand will be like, or in the jury will be like, yeah, it does. Was there a partial, a weapon or a partial weapon found that was defaced, the, what is it, the serial number, sorry, I want to say VIN, the serial number, was it scratched off and was it found in his home? Yes. So doesn't that meet the definition of he's got a concealed, a weapon in his home that's

defaced and it's an AR or whatever it was? you know did he break that one yes you know what I'm saying like that's all they hear that's all they know I got you I got you but isn't that it isn't the gun like was the gun used in the furtherance of a crime I mean doesn't that have to be considered now if the gun is just in his crib right and then he's got a security hut because this came up when you came in his crib in Miami this is a security hut right there right and he's got licensed security right to carry but what everything you're saying may be maybe right and then a lot of times what was said and Cassie testified to understand was that she paid she was the one that gave right you know what

I'm saying yeah they would need her they would need her to say and and not that not that the prosecution won't allege that she did it at his direction but because he's a witness but it's the jury like what you say right what I'm saying is is because she was a witness, she would have needed to say on the stand, it's my understanding, she would have needed to have said, at his direction, I did this. And that can be as subtle as, hey, we should get the punisher to come. And her go, yeah, yeah, yeah, I liked him. And then she approaches him and she, because then they'll, then the prosecution will say, he told her, we should have him come. Or he agreed with her. And therefore, at his, at his direction, she paid the,

She flew this guy in and paid him. So that's conspiracy. So, you know, because here's what I'm saying is you can line up a lot of things that happen and say, now that I've looked at the case in its totality, I don't think this guy's guilty. And you and I can say it and say, yeah, you know what? Like, I don't think he really did anything wrong. But then you have to think it's the very, when the jury is given instructions. That's the problem. Then it's going to be, that's why if you ever watch these, well, they don't usually do it in movies. They'll do it in books. If you ever read like the partner and, you know, books by John Grisham, there will be, there's always, not always, there's typically an argument about the, um, the jury instructions. Like, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's not a, yeah, yeah, give them. It's a big deal where it's like, between the prosecution and in defense. Of course. You can't say it this. Here's what here, your honor, this is what we believe you should instruct them. And they're, no.

no, we wanted to say it this way. You know, they're both trying to get the language correct so that the jury goes in and says and reads it and goes, oh, yeah, no, no, I definitely, if that's the definition, he definitely did that. And you can alter that definition slightly. And, you know, you can craft it one way so he looks guilty, one way so it didn't. So just like you were talking about the security. But when we were first talking about it, and I was thinking to myself about the weapon.

You know, one, where are these pieces of weapon? And I'm going to say a whole weapon, because they'll consider it an entire weapon. These ones they found, the AR was in his closet, in his room. Okay, so they're in the closet. Because I was going to say, if these are common areas that the security has access to, not your personal, you know, like they could allege that the security could have kept one of their weapons there. But if it was, let's say, a closet in the living room or it was in the, or it was in the, the garage or it was in the security shack, you know, then his puffy, the defense attorneys can

allege that that wouldn't even his. He's never admitted to that. Nobody got on the stand and said that was his. Nobody said they procured that for him. You know, you guys found it. He's got security. There's lots of stuff from security. There were coffee cups from security. They've left clothing there. So-and-so's got his boots there. He happened, you know, he may have left that. That may have been from security. You know, we don't know. He's had many security people over the ears. There's lots of things in a person's house. They brought that up. They said that the defense says, you know he's a celebrity, right? And who they cross-examined? The dude from HSI, Homeland Security, he says, you know Puff's a security, international celebrity, right? He's like, yeah. You know they

have bodyguards, too, right? He was like, yeah. So they kind of threw that in. They're like, it's not like me, I'm in my crib, I'm a nobody, and I got these guns in my house. That's different from, you know, a guy who's getting stalked, who's pretty much an entertainment icon. You know, he, it's probably pretty normal for all of them to have a weapon, you know? Right. Well, and, and so you know what constructive possession is, right? No. So the term constructive possession is like, let's say I'm prohibited from having a weapon. So, I'm going to, you and I, I'm going, I need to go to this party and I think I might need one. So I hire someone that has a weapon or I know my, I get my girlfriend to go buy a weapon

and she keeps it. So I have, I'm, I'm, I'm in constructive possession of that weapon. Like, I've constructed a scenario where I can get to it. But if I'm searched, I don't have the weapon. Oh, you know, they search your girlfriend and she's got a, a nine millimeter in her purse, and you go, and she came with you. Right. Well, then you can go, wow, baby. You think, you can go, wow, baby, I didn't know you had that.

Now, technically, they would probably grab you because they'll probably arrest both of you, charge you with constructive possession, charge her with conspiracy for having that weapon for a convicted felon, and then they'll try and get her to admit that you had bought the gun or you had her by the gun and you asked her to bring it. because now then you're done right like and but what would have to happen is you'd have to go to trial she'd have to get on the stand and say i've always had a weapon this was my weapon he did not know and then you'd be found not guilty but they'll push that issue no question and a lot of guys some guys rich guys will hire will hire security that have weapons and technically that's constructive

possession although very seldomly does that end up being the case unless there's some kind of a shootout or something and those guys kind of, they get grabbed and they turn, they're, I don't want to say, coerce, but they're asked by the detectives, why did you have the gun? Well, I had the gun because Sean asked me to bring the gun. He thought there might be trouble. He wanted to make sure I had a weapon. That's why he brought me with it. Then it's like, woo.

And the dude is not licensed security, you saying? No, I'm saying. Let's say he is licensed security. But they'll still say, he told you to bring the gun. He hired you because you had a weapon. That's also. So you mean to tell me. that you and me

as convicted felons that if we were going somewhere and we didn't feel safe we can't hire armed security? So you can, what I'm saying is that the government will twist that. They can twist that, and I've seen them twist that

to try and get you a charge of construction possession. Now, if you're willing to, keep mind too, a lot of times now they've charged the security guys. they take away all his weapons and what they're saying to him is listen man we'll drop the charges if you'll just testify against him that he told you to you know what I'm saying like they're

they'll coerce someone like you know that they'll they'll coerce the hell out of you so what does that guy do does he want to wait the next 18 year or I'm sorry the next eight months or year to go to trial to try and beat a charge that right now he can just say yeah man he told me to bring the gun because he thought it might be trouble you know so I also think think it depends on who the guy is. Is it, is it a, a CEO who has a felony from 15 years ago for fraud? Now he owns a multi-million dollar company and he's got a, he's got a professional security with him. No, I don't think that guy gets charged. But I think if he's a, I think if he's a rapper that has three felonies for selling drugs and guns. Right, right, right, right. He's putting himself

in bad situations. They're going to look at that differently. And that's the guy, I think they'll even though I think he's got every right in the world to have security that have weapons, I still think that they probably go after that guy. They probably don't go after the guy who's a CEO who never puts himself in that situation. Because let's face it, right now, who do you know that's a felon that is surrounded by licensed security that has weapons? Donald Trump. Technically, you could charge Donald Trump. You see what I'm saying?

like that's not who they're going to charge they're going to charge a guy somebody else usually what happens and I met multiple guys I used to walk the track with this guy he had his girlfriend buy a gun a weapon and just so that

she would keep the weapon have the weapon he said so I had access to the weapon and if we got pulled over and searched she had it on her she bought it in her name you know everything he had done that and I think he had done that and another time this had gone on for a year or two she'd done it once for like a year or two

and then like a year or two later he went to a a gun show and the the ATF was in went through in the parking lot taking tags down and running plates and his plate was registered to him and he was a convicted felon. So they then went on the video, right, the surveillance video, and watched him. And he and his girlfriend go up to a place, go up to one of the stands, look at a weapon. He then says that they want to buy it. She wants to buy it. He then gives her the money, or he pays for it. She gets the weapon, goes back to the car. Like, it's from the video. And he told me, said it's pretty obvious they actually pulled them over like a week or two later and searched the car and they charged both of them and then she said no no this is i bought it for him and it was so obvious

he's like he's like i'm not even mad at her like he's like we'd had discussions where she's like no i'm gonna say it's mine i'm gonna say it's mine he was so overwhelmingly obvious that i'm i was telling her and you've got the the gun guy saying yeah he said she wanted the gun right right right Right. And I paid for it. He's like it was take Ephraim Devoroli. Ephraim Devoroli got charged. One of his charges was, which is the guy from war dogs, the kid from ward dogs who Jonah Hill plays. If you read the book and know the whole story, not the war dog story, but he's on probation. He travels, one, outside the jurisdiction. He's supposed to go shoot guns with this guy, with this guy. He brings, brings one,

of his buddies with him and the guy says hey man I brought the guns so one he touches the guns he wasn't supposed to no so he's already done you can't even go to a range I don't think yeah probably not but but here's the thing so take that those guns out of the scenario this is what really had him the guy says look I brought the weapons could can you go get us some am some ammunition some munitions and he says sure he says but I can't buy them But I'll have my employee buy them. And so he goes to Walmart with his employee. They go up to the stand.

They say, get this. They stack up. I mean, they've got a massive amount of munitions. And he's giving his employee on film $1,000 to buy all the munitions. And then they put it in his car. And then he drives back to the location and the cops pull up. Or cops, you know, the feds pull up. They grab him.

One, you were holding weapons. You looked at the weapons. you knew there were weapons. And the whole time he's telling the guy, look, bro, I can't shoot. You understand? I'm not allowed to have a weapon. I'm on federal, like, pre-trial release.

He hasn't been sentenced yet. He's like, I'm not allowed. And the guy's, well, can you go buy the munitions, the ammo? And he's like, I can't, but I can have my guy by it. Like, not realize, he's thinking that's a technicality.

The truth is, no, you're directing him to. No question. So that's, they all get indicted. They all get grabbed. They all say, yeah, he told me to buy him. So he's thinking. And no, he bought him, bro, I got you on tape, paying for it directing him. Like, yeah, it's conspiracy.

You're done. It's over. And so, yeah, as a result of that, he got into a ton of trouble. There was two factors, but one of the main, main ones was the munitions, was buying the, and it was directed. So, I mean, there's lots of ways that they can rope you in. Of course. You know? I don't mess around with nobody that's got guns, man.

No. I don't want that kind of problem, man. Yeah, if they want you. Look, if the federal government wants you, you're done. You're done. You have to have the only way to make it an even playing field. And that's right now if they want you. If they want you and you say, oh, no, I don't do nothing wrong. No, no. You're probably committing a felony a day. You just don't even know it. You're probably something. Well, all the time. People do it all the time. I think we've had this conversation. You ever have those pill bottles? How old do you? 56. Oh, okay. So you're on some, you're on some medication. Nothing?

No. I'm in great shape, man. Well, I mean, I look like I'm in grace shape. I'm falling apart. I'm on some medication. I ain't on no medication. That's ridiculous.

Ibuprofen? No, I fucks with, I got Tylenol and the medicine cabinet. That's not good enough. We need pharmaceuticals. So, but you know, you know how you'll have that, they have the days of the week.

You have your parents. You know old people. So, you know, you'll get a prescription, three prescriptions, you have to take a day, right? And you don't have to get them the bottles every day. So they sell these, you know, it says Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. You pop it open and at the end of the week, you put your three pills in there and you close it. And so every day you go in, you walk in and you pop it open and you pull those pills and you throw them in your mouth.

Well, every time you've taken one of those pills out of that prescription bottle and you placed it into another vessel. you just that's a felony that's three felonies every single time you do that and people think oh i never break the law yeah you do those are felonies every single time you do it you're that you're committing a felony i mean most people can a lot of people not about but there's actually a book called a felony a day showing that look most people commit felonies all the time they don't realize it they don't typically obviously are not charged with those felons right right right but they are on the books and if the government wants to charge you you can be charged They'll find a way to charge you

So, you know, especially you and me With our fraud charges You know, listen, taxes They can manipulate taxes in such a way You're like, no, no, no, see I did this No, that's not a write-off And you and I probably don't have the same The same, I put this

The same defense as a normal person Because if you and I were somebody else, They'd say, oh, it was an honest mistake We're going to charge you a fine Yeah, no, not with us. They'll probably say, no, no, we're going to charge you with tax fraud. You're like, are you talking about tax fraud?

Yeah, I claim this. Yeah, I know, but we went through all of them. We feel like this one and this one and these four, those aren't legitimate that this is just you and your wife going to dinner. Yeah. You know, or this is you and so, and you go, no, that's not. Yeah, but we were discussing, we were discussing the podcast and we were, and, you know, you went here and you guys went to, you know, the aquarium and you wrote off that mileage.

You go, no, no, no, but I also met with this guy. Okay, well, you can tell it to the jury. You want to go to trial? Yeah. Do you see I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm fucking terrified. 100%.

So do you go to trial for that, or do you take another felony and go do six months, or do you spend everything you've got to try and fight them in court? And they've got a 97% average, or, you know, conviction rate. And so what do you want to do? You want to lose all your money and end up going to jail for it? Instead of for six months, you're going to go for two years now. fuck bro it's a fucking horrible horrible yeah and so he's given them you know by definition they're probably going to go through and find they're going to go through and find ways to tie him

into these felonies i think whether he's guilty of exactly what they said i think they put enough people on the stand they make him look bad enough and they tie him in to breaking some felonies, and I think the jury still ends up saying, you know, yeah, he did break that. Yeah, that is a felony. Yeah, that is a felony. I don't see how it ties into RICO,

but I think that they get them a, even though you're saying, no, no, she was a participant, or this guy wasn't coerced, or I haven't seen anything that shows that this was a criminal enterprise. Of course, it's not over yet, though. Listen. You know, I even have to tell myself, I said, Sean, this is going to come down to the jury, man.

Mm-hmm. It's eight men and four women. And they are going to ultimately decide what happens with Puff. But what I had initially thought was a slam dunk case. Ain't that. Ain't that. Puffy's defense team, man, it's top of the line, and they have gotten damn near every government witness

that's gotten on the stand to perjure themselves on the stand multiple times. What are these guys getting caught? Can you give us some examples of things that they've said that are contradictory or? Well, what they, what happens is that the government meets with them, has been meeting with some of them, for over a year

prepping them for trial and while they're prepping them for trial the government is taking notes on everything they say right now the defense team has that meeting with these witnesses

has to be turned over to the defense and what the defense does is they sit there and they watch the witness, they listen to them, and they read what they said in the meetings with the feds. And then they say something different on the stand. And when they cross-examine them, they say, do you remember when you met with the government, October of 2023, you said this. And the witness goes, no, I didn't say that. Let me show you. Let me give you

this. Read this. And let me refresh your memory. And when you're done reading it, look up at me. and it'll be totally different from what they wrote. And, man, the jury, everybody, you know what I'm saying? And it just takes away from the credibility of the witness. And a lot of these were former employees of Puff, man. Right. So what the government is doing is they to solidify the conspiracy they've linked up the liquor business company,

Bad Boy Entertainment, the record label, the Surrach liquor business, he's got a marketing company, the clothing brand, and they say that this is the enterprise, this is the criminal enterprise, right? And all of his assistants that and his security

that saw him assault Cassie or other employees that saw him with guns, because they have other times where they allege that he had a gun on him, that the employee is supposed to operate outside of the scope of their job description and report him to the authorities when he's assaulting Cassie, when he, you know, and which makes this a conspiracy and makes them co-conspirators in the racketeering, right? But we're not going to charge you if you get on the stand

and testify against Mr. Combs. And that's what a lot of them are doing. But while they're on the stand, they're getting caught in all these lies, man. So is it like their first statement? They're saying, no, I wasn't coerced. I wasn't asked to say this. I wasn't.

And then later, when they're on their stand, they're saying, yeah, he told me. not to mention this. He told, I was told, is it that kind of blatant? Well, all of them are different, right? So a lot of the employees are alleging that it was a hostile work environment, right? He threatened my life. I got death threats from Puff, right?

But yet, you stayed after the death threats, right? You stayed and you worked with him for another seven years, right? Or you left. and went to work somewhere else. But then now we have you texting Puff back saying you want your job back. Now, why would you want to come back and work for a dude that, you know what I'm saying?

So, like, everything that they're saying it doesn't match up with, like, if I want to get away from you, Matt, I'm going to get away from you and I ain't never fucking with you no more. Right. You know, but that's not, that hasn't been the case with a lot of these witnesses. If I threatened you and you truly believed that your life was in danger or you were concerned, you would leave and never come back.

If you come back, then the truth is, why would you come back? You're not really, don't really think you're in danger. No, we were just yelling and he said that. Or he never really said that at all. You're just embellishing because they told you, because a lot of his assistants bought drugs for him, right? One dude said he went and bought an eight ball for Puff. So obviously the feds is going to squeeze him and say, yo, we're going to charge you with this narcotics possession, right,

unless you agree to testify against Puff. And obviously he got on the stand and did. So, you know, it just is not as clear cut as the media is making it seem. And it's not as clear cut as I thought it was before it started, man. And he's got a hell of a motherfucking defense team. And they haven't, the, the, the, his defense team hasn't even mounted a defense yet, right? They're just, right now, they're just cross-examining the witnesses. The prosecution, the prosecution witnesses are going first.

They haven't introduced any of their defense witnesses. Right. Are they, are they reserving the right to bring certain witnesses back to cross-examine them? That's a good question. I'm not sure. But they are cross-examined. Like when the prosecutor gets up and puts a witness on,

he's questioning this witness and then, or is the defense attorney's going up and then they're obviously... Ain't no question. Okay. Ain't no question going for the juggler vein, man. All right.

And then they haven't even put anybody up yet yet. No. They got one girl, Don Rashard, got her to lie. They busted her and 13 lies on the stand. The government put up an expert witness a forensic, a clinical and forensic psychologist on the stand, who was also testified in the R. Kelly

trial and the Johnny Depp trial, and come to find out, she was formerly employed by the federal office of the Southern District of New York. She gets 60% of her revenue, her income, comes from being an expert witness in court, whether it's in the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn or the Southern District of New York in Manhattan. They met with her, after the defense gave, they met with her like eight times, six times, right? And then after the defense gave their opening argument, they met with this expert witness again.

Cassie gets on the stand testifies for three days. They meet with this expert witness again. So it's a lot of things that the prosecution is doing, is bordering on unethical, right, prosecutorial misconduct. And it's just, it's just, it's not a slam dunk, man. It's not a slam dunk. And me and you can be on this podcast in front of these mics talking about this all day,

but it's really going to come down to them eight men and them four women on the jury who were there every day hearing all of this stuff from four feet away. You know what I'm saying? Right. yeah what's the what's the overflow rooms like like how do you get in there like how many people are in there is there to get into the main courtroom to get into the 26th floor which is where puffy and them is at they take usually 14 people from the public first come first serve

and i'm gonna pay this dude when i get back he'll sit out there for you all night they got some homeless dudes and some drug addicts had to sit out there for you all night to get you that first spot. And then everybody else goes into the overflow either on the 24th floor or the 23rd

floor. Are they packed? Yeah. Especially in the beginning when Cassie was on the stand and Doran Rashar was on the stand. Kid Cuddy was on the stand. Yeah, it was hard to get a seat in there. I have a question.

because I saw this on, I don't know if it's true or not. Did Ashton Critcher show up? I didn't see him. Yeah, that's okay. I saw it on social media. They were like, he showed up. Who was that? He was the guy that 70 show.

And the punked, the punked TV show. Yeah. Yeah, listen, there's so much stuff. There's so much misinformation out there. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah.

There's a, the first, the first website is just saying that the internet is fabricating that with him showing up to testify. Are there people outside with the free puffy, free ditty shirts? Yeah, yeah. So I was out there one day doing my live because I come out, I go into the morning session. They usually take a break around 12, 12, 30. I'll go out and go live from in front of the courtroom. So I was out there one day and I see all these people behind me.

with these free puff shirts, free ditty. So I thought that they were wearing them voluntarily, but it came out that they would be being paid, I think, $20 each to wear them for an hour. So I didn't know. That was unbeknownst to me. He's got a little media team. I think, and I don't know all the details,

but there's a crypto that's about free puffy, free ditty. And I think that they're all, those are kind of like the marketing behind it all. I thought maybe it was him having people, his people. Well, you know, this is all based off a YouTube video that I've listened to. But, like, apparently, like, his relatives own the crypto. And it's, you know, a way to support or something like that. But, you know, like I said, that's sources from a YouTube video.

There's a lot of people that are against Puff, but I'm getting a lot of comments on my YouTube channel, man, from women that I'm saying you know free them you know there's nothing there um I yeah I was gonna say listen I think the video

alone some people will convict even though you know but but you see the video and then they testify then she testifies that then she goes she went back the same night right yeah and after he assaulted her

he texted her like seven times they put them up on the screen please PLS call me PLS call me PLS call me the police are coming PLS call me I love you PLS call me and she doesn't call them back but you know

I don't want to characterize the relationship you know they asked that girl on the stand do you hate mr combs she says no i do not hate Sean did you love Sean Combs she said yes I did do you think Sean Combs loved you I think he did do you still love Mr. Combs and she paused and she said I love our past on the stand and the jury is sitting right there and Matt I think everybody

me I'm in there I said man Cassie been to get on the stand she's going to knock fire to this ass and I'm waiting on her to drop the bomb because the case Matt

could have been over after she got off the stand which is what I think everybody thought and we all walked out of their Friday like that ain't what she just nothing what she said is in agreeance or in congruence with what they putting out on CNN MSNBC Fox she just said something totally different man can you see the jury when uh you're in the overflow room no no all you can see is the witness they got the spleen the the the screen the screen split where the witnesses

testifying and then all the prosecution team and the defense team. Why do you think, why aren't they like, wasn't Johnny Depp nationally televised or on TV? Like, why isn't this on TV for people to see? That was a state.

He had state cases. State cases. Federal court is, they won't allow cameras inside. Okay. Yeah, we got to give up our phones, everything when we're going on. What's, did he look like? Does he look like he's, They say he's got a handful of gray hair He's, you know, he didn't put on some weight

You know, I didn't know Puffy was on drugs like that heavy, man They were taking them every day for 11 years They got high every single day They both went to rehab He paid for her to go to rehab in Mexico Then he went They stayed clean like a month or two And then they relapsed and went right back

To the same thing But they were both heavily drugged up And Puff never came. He never looked like that. He never looked like. He always looked like good, look healthy, but they was getting high every day. What's happening when you go live? You're getting a lot of...

My lives, when I first started off the first day, I think I had like a hundred and something people in there. By the time, the two weeks rolled around, I was getting 1100 people in my live in like 15 minutes. Because people were saying like, Sean, you really the only one that's keeping it authentic, man, and keeping it real and reporting both sides of the case unbiasedly. If it's a point for the government, I'm going to give it to them. If it's a point for Puff, I'm going to give it the Puff. If it's a point taking away from the government, I'm going to take it away. If it's a point taking away for Puff, I'm going to take it away, right?

I'm going to report what I hear and people appreciate that you know what I'm saying? Because when I do my videos and I do my lives people are like why is nobody else saying this? Right. What's you saying? So my views have gone up probably about

1,500 percent, 1,400% from the beginning of the trial to now. Puffy's lawyer, Andrea Shapiro, asked for a mistrial yesterday. Supposedly, the Los Angeles Police Department lost the fingerprints that they took off a kid Cuddy's car in his house. Remember, supposedly Puff blew up his car with a Molotov cocktail? Right.

That's why the arson is in the thing. But what they discovered was, and under cross-examination, Mark Agnifalo pointed out that there's no pictures of Puffy at Kid Cuddy's house, there's no video footage of Puffy there, there's no fingerprints of him there, there's no eyewitnesses, nothing of him being there, and the DNA white that they did on the Porsche and the Molotov cocktails, bottle came back to a female. But all of these witnesses are getting on the stand and saying, yeah, he was there. Kid Cuddy, yeah, he was there. They're all saying he was there, but there's no scientific proof that

he was. Right, and he was never charged, right? No, there was never no charge, right? So there's never enough evidence to charge. Right. They're just throwing it in there because it's an indictment. Right. Or they've just... Well, it's part of it. They got the arson in there, right? Yeah, yeah. I don't think they thought Puff, this legal team is money, man. You think the prosecution thought that he'd just take a plea?

I didn't think they'd think he'd take a plea, but I didn't think that they thought that his legal team would get down for him like they are. I think his defense team is, I don't think it's about the money for them, right? I think they want to beat, win this case for Puff so that they could put a feather and their hat and say, yo, in one of the most high-profile trials maybe ever in the Southern District of New York

or maybe ever, I don't know, maybe the OJ, that we beat them, man. Because they're not playing no games, man. You know what I'm saying? They're not playing no games. They're coming up with things, man, that, you know, you wouldn't even think of, man.

And he's got 11 attorneys. and it's eight dreamtween and it's eight federal prosecutors he got 11 attorneys man anything else I mean

so how far into the trial I know initially it was supposed to be eight weeks how far into it are we right now is it three weeks four weeks

I think this is the third this is the third this is the third week and how this goes normally at the end they have a verdict like when the sentencing is would we have that in eight to ten weeks or how long the jury a sentencing or a conviction because sentencing is different yeah yeah yeah both i guess what's

what's the timeline on both of those um i mean it depends on the jury the jury might go out for an hour like they might deliberate for an hour they may get they get their when they both both sides wrap up then the judge will they'll discuss jury instructions the judge will give give the jury the instructions they'll go back and deliberate they may deliberate for an hour you know and say we got a verdict yeah we got a verdict we got you and then it may be three days and they come back and they say we we just can't your honor we just can't come up with anything and most likely he says uh-uh go back figure it out you guys need something um and they'll go back and typically they will

typically they will people will go ahead and buckle under the pressure of needing to come up with which I always think is wrong if you don't have it you don't have it so to be sent back and told to find what it fuck off now sometimes

they'll come back and they'll go we're deadlocked it's never going to happen and if they come back they say there's no reason for us to go back it's not going to happen normally jurors are not confident that you know what I'm saying like they're they're they don't have that a lot of

that they feel like maybe I'll be in trouble or something you know what I'm saying like yeah it's a scary process so unless they have a good a good um what do they call it the um the guy that's in charge of the jury they typically have a jury foreman unless that jury foreman has some real guts and can come back and say your honor you can send us back for six months we're never coming up with a verdict where that deadlock split it's not going to happen at that in that case then the judge will be like it's a fucking it's a mistrial a hung jury it's a hung jury mistrial hung jury what yeah the puff goes home and he yeah well well they can re-indide him they could re-indide him unless he says they say innocent then they can't

re-indict him but he goes home though on a hung jury then they do the whole process i think of like re-indicting them and all that but i i think i don't know that he gets he doesn't stay in prison if it's a hung jury uh they could argue with the judge could hold them in federal court they could hold them because they could say they have like 10 days like you don't read i think it's 10 days they have like a certain fair of time where they have to re-indict him and that's a struggle that's a pretty quick especially now i mean gone through the the whole court uh process and having to put everything together to try and go re-indict this guy knowing this is what we have to work with they may not be able to

get another indictment because now they're like we went through the whole process it didn't work we can't really necessarily present the same evidence we did the first time so most likely they'll hold him for so many days and if they can't get him re-indicted he will go home but i think they'll probably hold him because they've been so adamant he's a flight risk he's this you're on you can't we're going to re-indyed him you know why they held him you know why they held him man and puffy he had his house in Miami at Two Star Island is worth 48 million, right? The appraisal, I have the appraisal, all that stuff is on Pesa. He had a $18 million outstanding mortgage on Two Star Island. Before he got searched, raided at his houses, he paid off the $18 million

mortgage. He made it free and clear. So he owns Two Star Island free and clear. It's worth 50 million, then his mother's crib is down the street. And he put that up for bail, right? And they denied him. But after Cassie testified, I knew, fully knew why the prosecution and the government and the judge denied his bail because you could tell Matt, I could tell from the stand that that girl, Cassie, She still love Puff. And if he would have got out and said, yo, go buy another phone, call his phone, get in touch with Kat. Let me get her on the phone and got her on the phone and said, like, yo, baby, come on.

Now, what's up, man? What's going on? He would have been able to coerce her into it. What's going on? Come on, let's go get a wapper with cheese, man. A little happy meal with some French fries, man, and sit down. And she would say, okay. And then there wouldn't have been no trial.

now one witness then backed out victim number three one victim then back they can't even find her one of the female victims then went missing and they don't know where she at and she didn't gave a statement that even if y'all find me i ain't getting on the stand you do you think that has do you think that has to do with uh him you want my prognostication my hypothesis yeah yeah got to her man and gave her some money what about and told us to listen don't here take this right here take this duffel bag

and get on up out of here yeah that's a problem witnesses stop showing up no not a witness a victim I'm sorry she's victim number three yeah she was she gonna be with when they stop showing up it weakens your case

it looks bad looks bad and then when your star joint get up there and do what she did You think it's possible that somebody got to Cassie to tone down the rhetoric, so to speak? I doubt it. She loved that man, man. You think she just got on there and she just honest. She loved him, man.

She told the truth. This girl was so transparent. This girl was so honest and genuine because I'm looking at a body language and I'm listening to her, man. You know what I'm saying? And I can hear. I know when a woman love a man, man, just by the way she talked, the inflection in her voice.

And you got to understand. She ain't seen Puff since, what, 2000? Now come to find out this. Check this part out. After she leaves Puff and gets with the personal trainer, her current husband, Alex Fine, her and Puff still texting. when she had her first baby

Puff is texting her they're putting all this on the screen oh congratulations Cassie I'm so proud of you I wish you nothing but the best oh thank you this is 2019 they texting in 2020 when she had a second baby

oh congratulations I love you I miss you you know I love I miss you too This is, she's married, you know what I'm saying? Then Cassie testified on the stand that she wanted to have a baby with Pupp. She was jealous.

She testified to this on the stand. She was jealous of Kim Porter and she was jealous of this other honey puppy was seeing named Gina. She said, I want to, she used to, she used to text Puff and say, they put this all on the screen.

Why you go by Kim Porter on Thanksgiving in December and Christmas. You don't never spend Thanksgiving with me. You don't never spend Christmas with me. And I'm with you all the 11 months out of the year. What is it? This is while she's married? No, no, no.

This was when all of this was going on during the indictment period when they were dating from. They dated from 2009 to 2018. Right. Why are you going over there? super jealous Puffy's another one jealous another one jealous he uh

she was talking to some dude in the NFL he took a phone called a nigga on the phone what's what you doing with he told her he told her he was jealous so he wanted to know who she was

seeing in her phone right so they was in the car he picked her up he said call your mother I got to let's talk to about maybe we're going to go up there so Cassie opens her pass code calls the phone

he snatches the phone after she opens the passcode jumps out the car and runs and stays going for three hours calls calls the NFL nigger on the phone

saying like what's up with you and Cassie how you know her how long you've been knowing her did the same thing with Kid Cuddy she was seeing

Kid Cuddy for over a year Puff didn't know it and then Cassie was telling Kid Cuddy that she wasn't with Puff no more but she was and Puffy called him and said let's get together how long you know her

what y'all been doing because she had both of them in the dark she was playing both of them and and who cross-examined Kid Cud I think it was Brian Steele said him on the stand he says Cassie played you didn't she

you were in love with Cassie Kid Cuddy he said yeah he said you thought that you and her that was your girl he said yeah he says you will admit now that she played you yeah so she had consensual sex with him you know it's it's a wild it's a wild case man but they both were jealous of each he didn't want no other dudes around her and she hated Kim Porter and this other girl, Gina. Puffy couldn't let this other girl, Gina, go. And she, Cassie knew

about her. And she kept telling him, let that girl go. He wouldn't do it. And then he had like five other girls. What about, so what do you think those, we think the night after those testimonies were like at her house? Well, she just gave birth, I think, yesterday

or the day before? Oh, okay. And then I want that. time. I wonder like, what about all the other girls that Puff was seeing? Ain't none of them said nothing. Right? None of them have come forward and led you any kind of abuse and nothing like that. I mean, they may are they on, I wonder if they'll be on the, uh, for the defense's witnesses.

You know, they may come, they may come, they may come right and say none of that. He never would behave that way with me. He never that wasn't our relationship. He was always decent. He was always like they, they did that character witnesses. Look at that. do we know like what's coming in the next few weeks like who's going to be brought up or what's going to be talked about or not really they got to bring in the chef they got to bring in the chef the chef is important because uh one of the witnesses dawn richard who was a part of

the group uh diddy dirty money and dannity cane testified on the oath that she saw puffy hit Cassie upside the head with a skillet full of fried eggs, scrambled eggs. But in her meetings with the government, she said that he attempted to hit her, right? Then she testified one time that when she met with them again, that she didn't see nothing, but she heard a frying pan hit the wall. This is a second story. Then she said that she saw Puffy hit her with the skillet with the eggs in it. And then she said another story, like he picked it up and then put it back down.

So Puffy's defense lawyer, Nicole Westmoreland, ripped this girl. She says, why are these different stories? She says, well, that's my recollection. It keeps changing. Puffy's lawyer says, but you've had four different recollections about the same event. Everybody in the courtroom went crazy laughing like, oh. And this girl, you could just see her body language on this. stand just like

puss so I mean did Cassie say it happened she said no or yes or not I think she might have

I got it in my notes but we was all waiting for Cassie Matt to say he I was tired up I couldn't move I was tied up to the main boiler

in the basement he would feed me water once a day I couldn't shower and that wasn't it he took Cassie to Soul Train Music Awards the Grammys

the Met Ball the Met Gala all of the big Hollywood red carpet stuff Cassie is there with him now you don't take your side piece to you take the woman

you take your main lady with you to these types of functions right or wrong. Yeah. Your side piece or your second side piece, you're not taking them nowhere with you. You know, so all of this was all telling, man.

You know? She told him, she told Puff, she sent Puff a text message on Father's Day. She said, baby, happy Father's Day to you. And I can't, wait until we have a baby of our own. True story, man.

True story. Cassie, Cinema, Texas. I can't wait for me and you to have a baby of our own. Happy Father's Day. With the information that we have so far, like what would your best prediction be? Like, you think...

What information I got or what information Kobe got? the only information I got is this right here if you can make a prediction like obviously we don't have all the information we don't know it's going to unfold over the next how many ever weeks but listen Matt Colby man Puffy is not the greatest dude in the world

like I say he may have done he may be an unscrupulous businessman which I don't know right he may he's a sexual deviant maybe he's doing things that I typically don't do in the bedroom with my lady he's guilty of assault we saw that he's guilty of domestic violence right if they bring if they would have brought this case in the state of new york court domestic violence assault he's getting 10

years right he may only do four or five but he's he's convicted i don't know but if i was on the jury based on what I heard I couldn't send this man to prison for 30 years man 20 years man That's the problem I couldn't send this dude To prison for 30 years

When I heard The girl y'all told me Was fin to come up here And And slaughter him Come up here and say She wanted to have a baby with him And that she still love him

And she love her past And that he loved her I So here's Once again, the problem is they're not going to be asked 30 years. They're going to say, does he meet the definition of this felony? And they're going to say, and then the judge is going to determine if it's 30 years. That's the problem.

I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. Not Sean G. Not Sean G. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I just don't see, you know, you're, so you're telling, you want me to believe that, his employees were supposed to operate

outside of the scope of their job definition, their job description, right? Call the police on them, right? The police come, Matt, and they starstruck, oh, snap, that's Puff. And the police are there with Puff after that. Puff, don't worry about it. Can I get a selfie with you, man? And the employee loses his job.

And the employee loses a job, got mortgage, two cars, kid and daycare. That's what I'm supposed to do. You know what I'm saying? And all of them said that. They said, they're like, yo, I just had to do my job. I had, you know what I'm saying? But that ain't the narrative that the prosecution is pushing.

They were supposed to turn him in. This dude, the lifestyle that he was living, Matt, was crazy, man. This dude, Puff, had about four or five assistants that he paid about a hundred and something thousand dollars a year that he stayed in the hotel he stayed in the hotel damn near three four days a week whether it was in LA Vegas New York Miami and his assistants would go and advance the hotel room and try to make the hotel room look as much like his house as they could

so when he walked in everything was ready baby oils there Astroglide chocolate bowl of fruit special pillows his

all of that his his raises everything you know what I'm saying these pamper's beyond the relief this shit was crazy man And what was dope, though, they called this white kid, who was his former assistant as a witness. And this white kid, he said he started working for Puff when he was 23 years old.

He said it was the dream. He was a Puffy fan and that he couldn't believe that he was going to work for Puff. and he said that he loved Puff. He worked with him for two years and that his friends used to tell him that he was getting Harvard business training on the job training and that what he learned from Puff

in terms of business he uses today to help himself in his current job. Now, how he came over to bad boy entertainment or the Combs Global was Puffy hired away an executive from Nickelodeon to come and work for him and this kid was the executive assistant of this executive under cross-examination Mark Agnifalo asked this young dude he says man he says you don't want to

be here today do you the white kid said no he said you he said you You didn't want to testify against Puffy, did you? He said, no. He said, the government forced you to come in here and testify today. He said, yeah. He said, if it was your choice, you would not have came. He said, no. He says, because what I didn't like that Puff used to assault Cassie,

but other than that, I had a dream job working for Puff. I used to work 20 to 24 hours a day, right? All of these assistants working 20 to 24 hours a day around the clock for this, man. And I just thought that that was an interesting point. And Matt, to tell your viewers, man, that I'm going live on my YouTube channel. Every day, I'm at the courtroom. I catch the train over from Jersey into Manhattan. I go into the court.

I'm either in the overflow or I'm going to be in the real courtroom this week. And I come out at 12 noon. and I do a live update of what happened on the podcast was sold on YouTube and then I come out in the evening after the evening session at about 3.30 and I go live again on my YouTube channel the podcast was sold for anybody that wants to hear

the real deal. And I've been getting some good feedback from, and you said you wanted to talk about this that I'm really the only one reporting unbiasedly on both sides because in the media, you see it's just like you know one-sided yeah can i ask a question real quick sure are you leaving these updates up or are you going live and then closing them out no no no you're leaving

them up my updates are left up on my youtube channel the podcast was so so we were we had talked about this earlier was uh um one was uh you know did he being locked up in you know it in in prison right now is it like because that's how the the it's even worse than prison it's like the MDC Brooklyn is like a county jail you don't get no wreck and you just in one room all day he's probably down to two assistants not nearly as qualified as these as the last five and he's limited he's only got three hundred dollars on commissary no he's putting you know he's putting money on other people's books he's probably got four or five guys getting commissary he's gained a weight it's hard

to gain weight yeah yeah yeah he's got a head full of gray hair he's got a gray afro and he comes in dressed in a uh dollar tree marshal sweater you know what i'm saying you don't got the Gucci suits and none of that on you know he's looked very uh normal and i think that might have had an impact matt on cassie man when she saw him looking like that yeah because we did he's the same you 56 too right um about yeah i'm a month or so way we're the same age and Puffy's 56 so I think she saw him with that gray hair and that gray beard and was like man

I can't do this man in like that and maybe the jury's looking at that you think I don't know we were talking about whether or not the jury that you were shocked that the jury was not sequestered and we had a discussion and I think so because you were saying

and then I was saying that like you were talking about you're trying to give just like what really happened and initially when we were talking I was thinking to myself, like, well, maybe, maybe they don't want, or they, they don't want them, at first I thought, well, that you would think they would want them sequestered, but then I thought, wait a minute, maybe they don't want them sequestered. They who, the prosecution or the defense?

Right, the, the prosecution. At first I was thinking, they would want them sequestered, so they don't see any, any of the biased media that, or any of the media out there and what they're saying, but then you mentioned that, well, if they go on social media and see how it's twisted, because the juror is going to sit there, like the videos that I come up are all just bashing, bashing, and I'm not saying he's a great guy, but I'm saying they're saying things that like Ashton Coucher came in and he testified and he, and it's like, well, that never happened or that, you know, I saw one that said that, you know, Cassie got on the stand

and talked about how, you know, it was just, you know, it was all kind of abuse allegations and and so if you're sitting, of course, I'm talking to you and she's, you're saying that it wasn't like that, that's not what's coming up. So in that way, it's like, well, wait a minute, they, the, the defense probably is saying, listen, we want them unsequestered because we want them to be able to go on, even though the judge is going to tell them, do not go. on social media, do not read the papers, do not watch TV, they're going to. So the defense probably is like, no, we want them to look on TikTok. We want these things to come up. And then they'll see a TikTok saying, oh, today in court, you know, this was what was said about Diddy. And he did this and he did this

and so and so testified to this and this. But the jurors looking at it going, that's not what happened at all. He didn't say that. None of that happened. What did these people say? And then they start looking at them. They're like, this is really twisting. did. This is what people think is happening. And then they realize how manipulative the media is. And not just the, you know, not just the traditional media, but the TikToker media. You know, and they realize like, they start to realize like, hey, this whole thing may have been blown out of proportion. And this guy's on the stand. And these people are not saying what TikTok's saying. And what we're hearing doesn't match what we're seeing on TikTok. That alone might make them say, yeah, you know what? I'm going to go not guilty across the board. And you know what's crazy, man, on my YouTube channel, man, I don't delete comments. I let people come on and say whatever they want to say.

But a lot of people are coming on and, you know, saying this or that, you know, about what was said in court? And I say, well, I go in the comments and I say, well, what day were you in court? Right. Which courtroom was you in? Was you on the 23rd floor, 24th floor, 26? And that usually stops the comment chain right there. Because I said, listen, I'm in the courtroom. Boots on the ground, man.

And, you know, you may not like what you're hearing, but I'm telling to you like it is. But that's a hell of an observation you make, man, because one day last week, four of the jurors got stuck on the train. The subway was laid or something. And they didn't, they had to start court late. And I said, damn, I thought they were sequestered And they're not They're not And I know they're going home

They ain't looking at that trial man They're doing their research man And like you say One or two of them made Because all you need is what One or two of them to hang the jury? Oh yeah Yeah

And say man Like 12 like 10 have to I think it's 10 have to Have to all agree Out of like 12 I don't think it's unanimous I think it's unanimous unanimous in

for like a capital murder yeah capital crimes I don't think it has to be unanimous I think it has to be like 10 I mean I could be wrong I've been wrong before but yeah the comments are overwhelmingly positive they're all saying like this is where I'm going for my ditty stuff like on your page

I'm reading the comments on all the live streams and stuff like that and then man I've picked up a lot of women subscribers man shout out to my women subscribers Like I say, I watch my mom's man go through domestic violence. It had a tremendous impact on my life affected me. In no way, shape, or form do I condone or approve of what Puffy did to Cassie. Do I approve of assault and domestic violence against women, man?

But, you know, my man, I don't think he should go to jail for 15 years or 20 years for this, man. I don't. And just from the witness standpoint, you know what I'm saying? They all, they didn't lie, I don't understand. You know what I'm saying? And it's just like they're just trying to railroad them. But if they would have took him to state court and charged him with assault, it would have been a rap.

It wouldn't have been no trial. He would have took a plea. And been in on Rikers Island right now. And what you said off, off. camera you had mentioned that you you had heard that it was they were offering of a five year i heard i heard just rumor yep i heard a rumor that a five year plea deal is being discussed would you jump on it i would jump on five years i would jump on it only because i've read transcripts and and seen trials where

people were found guilty that after you've seen the entire trial and read the entire transcript or, you know, and heard all the evidence I've said, there's no possible way this person is found guilty. And they're found guilty. So, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's horribly unfair. I'm not saying it's, you know, I'm not one of these people that thinks, you know, we have, we have a horrible justice system. I don't think we have a horrible system. I think it's got problems. but it's not the worst system in the world but I've seen it go go awry so many times

because it's unfortunately not based on justice it's based on winning it's an adversarial system where I'm trying to win and you're trying to win and it's and the truth is is that the government has such an ability to coerce

and people you know people are scared like people jurors are scared they're uncomfortable. They don't feel comfortable. And so if you're sitting in, most people think if you're sitting in that defendant's chair, you're guilty.

It's just the way they just think you're guilty. Even though they'll go through the whole trial and everything, they could still, they're still always going to lean toward the prosecution's case. And that would be, that would terrify me. Plus, like you had said earlier,

when we were off camera, you had said, look, he could put, depending on what he pleads guilty to, by the way. He could get Ardap. You know, he's already done a year. So he's down to four years. He could program.

He could do Ardap. He could be out in two years. He'd probably be in a halfway house in 18 months to two years. Exactly. Exactly. You know. But you know what, you know what, though, we didn't talk about yet? Is the asset forfeitures that are tied to...

Oh, they're trying to take all this shit? Ain't no question, right? Because they're trying to say that the companies were set up to further this. The Combs Enterprise. Oh, that's a bullshit. All six of his companies, if he's found guilty from the year 2008 up to 2004, all of the revenue assets, receivables, anything will be.

And somebody said that the judge, they hold the separate proceeding for the asset forfeiture. But all of that will be available to be seized as a result, right? So does he take the five-year plea and give up his businesses? Or, you know, I'm sure they probably would negotiate that. But let me say this, man. If Puff, if it is hypothetically, not the same is going to happen, but if he does take the five years and, like you say, he gets out in the year two, And they take everything, right?

Matt Cox started all over, right? Sean Gumbie, I started all over. And I'm probably, I know I'm a better man than what I was before I went to prison and I had all the money that I had. Now, he goes, he comes out. He goes into the studio, Matt, with Kanye West and Jay-Z and they locked themselves in the studio for 30 days and put together an album

he writes a book he can't see that right now though I know what you're saying but he's right back you and I can see that right but he can't see it let's talk about that part we talked about that right that he can't see that

because he's used to these four assistants the intercontinental hotel Trump International yeah he he sees used to behaving in a way that is that you know, that he's at such a height on the street that, and he's come crashing down inside, even though he's living way better in prison than 99% of all inmates locked up, his his life expect, or his life, his expectation of life on a daily, daily expectation has

dropped dramatically that he can't, he can't imagine having to survive a year, or two in prison and getting out and starting over to him getting out with $10 million or a million or half a million or having to go out and borrow from people to start him over to go put out an album or something he can't imagine that's so humiliating to him right now he can't see that he all he's probably thinking is I got a win I got a win I'm gonna I'm gonna win I'm gonna win I'm gonna win I got to win I'm that's what I think I think you would hope he's been down there and realize, like, to me, a five-year deal, oh, my God, I jump on a five-year deal.

And give up all of the businesses, all this? Yeah, because he could start over. But once again, he's not there. He doesn't think about, he's not thinking about starting over. He thinks about, he's thinking about losing. He's thinking about, no, he's thinking about winning and getting out. Right, but he's thinking about losing what he has, yeah. Yes, yes.

That's what I mean. Yeah, he's thinking about losing everything. And going to prison. Yeah. And that's like, there's some shame and disgraceing that. Yeah, I can't, you know, that's, yeah, because there's, shame and disgrace all right that's how i felt man i was i was my man used to call me that all the time my nigger black in jail used to be like you're the disgraced white collar business you're a

disgraced business man yeah man the humiliation and the embarrassment you know but once you get by that shit man like once i got in prison and i realized man who cares man and then the betrayal could you imagine the people that are betraying him that he thought was his friend they can call him, ain't call his family. What about, hey, I have another question. There's a supposed tape going around of him talking on the phone, talking about, tell so-and-so to get rid of the boxes to the cheese to the pizza.

I heard that. Yeah, none of that's come up, has it. None of that's come up in the trial. Nothing of Puffy being like that has come up in the trial. What thing did come up? was that he used to, it came out in Cassie's testimony that when Cassie would have intercourse with the male escort,

she would tell him to pull out and ejaculate on her, kind of like on the top. She would get up and her and Puffy would go in the other room and she would rub on his chest he would rub it on his chest from the other man not good

it's not good and then it's a bad look in the freak off he would sit over there and while the male escort and Cassie got busy

he would sit over there and watch and you can't you can't see him like he's not like looking at the jury going no he's nothing no i didn't see i didn't see he's but this is all coming out in court this is live testimony it's bad it's bad and you just said she was extremely credible like i'd be like thinking to myself like she's saying that just to really smear him but It's not good. And there's some people.

What's not good? The fact that he's a sexual deviant? Yeah, he's a weird. Right, but that has that. So that convicts him of Rico? People, no, but once again, some people will see that tape and be so offended by it, they'll convict him on other things. Some people will say he's a sexual deviant, he's a weirdo, and convict him just because

why, oh, he's just a scumbag. Okay, he might be a scumbag, but he didn't do this. Right. It doesn't matter. He did something. They had a big argument about that. Before court one morning, the prosecution is trying to bring up every bad thing he did.

Oh, he stole a blowpop from the gas station two years ago. And then he's cruel to animals and small children. Right. He was at the supermarket and he took an apple off one. And then all of the apples fell down and he didn't pick it back up. And the defense was like, Look, Your Honor, this, the prosecution is turning this into, let's just show all of the bad things that this man has done,

but they're not sticking with trying to prove the facts of this RICO, which is, you know what I'm saying, hasn't been proven. That's their argument to this point. So it's pretty interesting, man. I can't wait to get back and get back. back in there, man, and I'm going to get into the main courtroom and see him. I want to see Puff, man. What's the lines like? How long does it take for you to get in? Is it a... It's long. The first days, the first couple of days, it was real long, right? So, like, if you

want to get into the 26th floor, the main courtroom, you got to be out there overnight. You got to go, like, 1 o'clock in the morning, midnight, and then sit out there to 7 o'clock, and they open up the doors at 745 a.m. And then you maybe could get selected to go into the 26th floor, which is the main courtroom. But I'm going to pay this dude when I go back. He charges, told me to get him $120 and he'll sit out there all night for me and make sure I get the first spot.

So I'm going to see Puff, man. What's the, what's a scene look like on the intermissions, like on the streets? Like, are everybody kind of coming out and doing social media? Because I think your video, your live streams are like, you know, right outside, you know. Yo, when you come out after the noon, after the morning session, all of the TikTokers, all of the YouTube, me, all of the reporters, newsweek, crime TV, inside crime, seeing it. They all come out and everybody's, yeah, yeah, love, yeah. I mean, it's crazy, man. And then you got all of the main news channels.

they got their shit out there with the lights people are driving by playing puffy music playing biggie it's crazy man it's crazy it's something to see and then i come out i go live right there on the scene man i go live right there on the scene and and people get a kick out of it man it's pretty interesting man i ran into his son i ran into his son in the cafeteria and who else that i run into in the cafeteria i ran into his son christian i ran into his son And I ran into one of his lawyers in it. You see his lawyers all the time, Brian Steele and they'd be in the cafeteria. What do you think?

Is that good? I mean, yeah, I think it's good. You can tie that in? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll loop that all around. Why does Brian Steele sound familiar? Brian Steele did the Young Thug case. Yeah, I was about to say. He got Young Thug off of the RICO.

Oh, yeah, you got to have him on it. You got to have him on it. He is there. He ripped. Who did Brian Steele cross? He cross-examined. Man, he cross-examined somebody last week, man. It might have been, was it Kid Cuddy?

Man, he run down on him, man. He don't take no murder. He, it was Kid Cuddy. Brian Steele, cross-examined Kid Cuddy. And he said, Kid Cuddy, you had, isn't it true that you had consensual sex with Cassie? The prosecution.

Sidebar, sidebar, sidebar. So the judge cuts the mics off. The prosecution and Brian Steele, they go up, they talk to the judge. Because obviously the prosecution don't want the jury to hear that she's having consensual sex with other men, right? They come back from the sidebar, they turn on the mic, the judge. Mr. Steele, can you ask another question? Brian Steele Mr. Cuddy

Isn't it true that you and Cassie had Consensual Sex? Same question. Sidebar! Sidebar! Because once you say it in court, right? It's out there. The toothpaste is out of the tube. You can't put it back in. And it was so funny, man. It was so funny. He don't care.

They don't care. Because he got arrested in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah. They wanted to throw them and hold them in contempt, right? Right, because he found out some information that the judge met with a witness and a prosecutor without his concern or something like that. Yeah, yeah. You had a, the judge and the prosecutor had a conversation with a fucking witness without, yeah, ex parte, right? Like, both attorneys have to be there to have a discussion. Like, what do you mean you're talking to the judge and the prosecutor behind our back and nobody notified us?

Like, absolutely not appropriate. That what's up with this art what's they don't have a better artist for the for these courtroom pictures yo yo the artwork they always got puffies grill we're looking like a mean grill right yeah they always they but hey man listen you know authenticity never went out of style man I'm a big on integrity man and you know I'm gonna tell it like it is man my chance channel is my channel and I'm gonna tell it like it is man and people seem to enjoy it I've picked up hundreds maybe thousands of women followers um because I had to let them know because initially I lost a lot of followers on my Instagram man when I started when I started uh covering the trial and you know kind of advocating for puff right and uh you know a lot of people I lost about 600 followers on Instagram, man. And I had to do a

video to the women, and that's why I did that on here, you know, that like I'm not a proponent of domestic violence. So don't think just because I'm rocking with Puff that I agree with what he did, I don't. Because like I say, my mom's went through that and I saw that. But

Rico, man? Come on, man. Knock it off. After I've been in the courtroom. But let's be accurate at what happened and not. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're just looking for accuracy, not. Right. Like, you know, like you can't, like, don't, don't, don't commit this guy of murder because he, because of a domestic violence issue or don't, don't say, hey, you know, he's, he's got to go to jail for bank robbery when it was tax fraud. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't, don't give him 30 years for something he should have gotten three years.

Do you think he should do a 30 ball for this? That's, you know, that's, it's funny, that keeps, that's come up several times and everybody keeps, and, and, and, and, and, I. I look at the law as someone who's seeing a lot and been through the system multiple times and has seen how it works. And so when people say, like, what do you think he deserves? Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not saying what he deserves. What he deserves is probably five or ten years, let's say.

And I'm saying that because of the weapons and transporting people for, for, for, for, you know and I can't even say that that so so here's a problem I guess so legally I think he probably deserves 10 to 15 because I think that he had these weapons that were defaced and that's against the law I know what those crime what those charges are and for and legally he broke that law legally he broke the law I think if it comes out if this comes out maybe I'm wrong that he hired people for the purposes of having sex and flew them in or had them flown in, that's sex trafficking. So legally, I think he's probably guilty of those things. If he is, he probably deserves 15 years.

Now, what do I think he deserves based on just morality? Less than five years. I think he deserves less than five years, maybe three or four years. That's just, but that's me saying morally, do I think that he doesn't, So same thing with because so technically he broke this law that on the books it says 15. Morally, do I think you deserve 15 years for breaking that law? No. I think you had a gun.

You had, let's say you had an AR-15 that was defaced. Do I think that should be 15 years? No, I don't. I think you want to say, hey, you can't have weapons that can't be tracked. Okay, give them a year or two. You know what I'm saying? Fifteen years? Like, I get why you're saying that. But that's not the case. These aren't executions. They're not alleging executions. They're not alleging those things in this case. Maybe a year or two. For the domestic violence, maybe a year or two. You see what I'm saying? For the sexual trafficking or whatever, maybe a year or two. I think if you plead guilty, I think you get a year or two. But check this out, though. Check this out on the sexual trafficking tip, man. Well, they're adults, right? Continue, they're...

This is what I thought. Consenting adults. This is what I thought. The way they blew it up, the way they showed the video or him beating up, I thought he had her tied up and was open up the door. Yo, all y'all come in and just knock this down. Right. And I'm taking her everywhere and I'm letting my man hit it. I'm letting him hit it.

I'm letting. But this is his lady. Right. Right? And she's into it. And she's into it. She's volunteering. She's setting up these freak off.

She's heating up the baby oil. She's putting the baby oil in the pool. Right. And they win it. Right. She's a grown person. He's a grown person. They're in love.

They've been together. This is their sexual thing. but like you say and you do a very good job but this is bringing me back saying but Sean what's on the books as far as the letter of the law in terms of the way the Department of Justice describes

sexual trafficking you know what I'm saying but this is this woman they got these sexual fantasies you know knock yourself out man it ain't my thing you know but you know knock you not knock yourself out man

what do you think the public perception of him would be if he got out let's just say he got out in a year or he somehow beat the cases and he was free and whatever six months like what do you think if puffy were to be found guilty my belief are you saying guilty or not guilty NSC he's saying not guilty all right so he was just out somehow got a good deal and was out in society in a year that's a good question right so has become this whole sensational meme or, you know, topic that everyone... Yeah, because people don't know what's really happening. They're here...

The only thing they've gotten is social media version. Right. So that's a great question. What do I think the public perception would be if he would be found innocent or got a light sentence? I think that the public is so easily swayed and it's everybody playing Follow the Follower that they would be like,

I told you he was going to, I knew he was going to be, you know, I think that they would shift. Or you don't think they shun him? No. No. You know what's funny about that? No. No.

Look at O.J. Simpson. This guy's going, he's like, He's found not guilty, but everybody that watched the trial thinks he's guilty. Like, he, this is what he did this. And I understand. I'm a big believer that he should have been found not guilty, right? He should have. You should have.

Yeah, you're tainting. It's tainted evidence. It's tainted witnesses. You can't, it's horrible. You know, he should go to jail, but he should have been found not guilty. Like, I know, I believe he, he, he butchered those two people, but I don't think he should have been found guilty based on that, on the evidence. and the witness or witnesses.

But initially, I think he came out and he was probably shunned for a little bit, but very quickly he ended up building a following. And the next thing you know, they're paying him to go to golf events, to give talks, to show up at parties to. And before you know it, he put his life back together and he could walk through casinos. He could walk pretty much like people aren't yelling at him. They're not throwing things at him. They're not accosting him.

He's living his normal life, and people are, it's over. Like, that's it. Listen, I think if Puff. He went on. Yeah. If Puff gets found innocent and does a Instagram reel with Kanye or Jay-Z or, you know, oh, snap. I told you he was going to come back. You know, I can very well see that happens, 100%.

But then again. Casey Anthony isn't being approached with open arms. Who's Casey Anthony? Casey Anthony's the chick that killed her daughter, killed her. Here in Florida. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, Jose Baez, Baez. I remember that.

Was her lawyer? Yeah. And, you know, her defense was that her daughter drowned in the pool and her father covered the whole thing up and she got blamed for it and their father was manipulative had sexually assaulted her. I saw the documentary

and she's out at the club and shit her baby's dead, yeah. I mean, I'm 100% I'm positive she did it but she was found not guilty and she went on social media she tried to start a... It's probably like a couple months ago,

two, three months ago. Started a TikTok and keep mind this has been 15 years ago that this happened maybe i don't know you're gonna that um she started a tic-tok account talking about how she's because she works for a law firm how well this is a law firm one of the people that represented her like they let her be a right right right like she knows she can't go anywhere she's not working at mcdonalds right right like people hate her guts right so she was thought i'm gonna start a ticot

and i'm going to be kind of a uh a so an advocate for for domestic violence and for child abuse and all these things. And she comes to listen, they were, people were just, oh my God, it went on for weeks and weeks. I don't even know if she still got the account. I think she may have taken down the account. I mean, people were just vicious, rightfully so. Absolutely.

But the fact is, is Casey Anthony is not going to be accepted back into society. No, no. That's child. that's, that's, you know, you, you, what I think really happened in that case, most likely what really happened was she bought chloroform or figured out how to make chloroforms out. Somehow or another, she, because she had looked it up, she didn't, she somehow or another accidentally suffocated her child. Either it was with chloroform or somehow or another, she did something where She was trying to get her to go to sleep.

Maybe she gave her too much cold medication. Whatever it was, the daughter accidentally died. She then placed her daughter in the trunk of her car. She partied for the next two, three weeks until the grandparents, her parents, finally, who were basically taking care of the child almost all the time, were so flipped out by the fact that, because when they asked her, she kept saying she's with the nanny. Finally, they called the police.

police show up they question Casey bring her down to she says she's with the nanny she's with the nanny they're like you haven't talked to the nanny you haven't seen the nanny you're saying she's like I know I don't know what's going on you have to find the nanny and they realize like just everything you're saying is a lie in fact my favorite thing and she's a pathological liar my favorite thing about her was when they said they had already been to her work and they knew she didn't work there she said she worked as at Disney World as a social as a whatever a planner or like some kind of a planner, right? Like I figure what they call them, an event planner.

They'd been there and they were like, or they'd called and they said, she hasn't worked here in over a year. She had been telling her family that she worked at Disney for over a year while they're taking care of the kid. That's crazy. And she's going to work like she, but really she's just out partying. She's a party girl. And so she's like, what do you mean I don't work there?

I work at Disney. Pulls out her badge. I have my bat. What are you talking about? And they're like, Casey, you don't, she's, I can, you don't work there. She goes, I can bring you right now to my, to my cubicle. I'll show you, I have pictures of my daughter. Like, right now, let's go.

And they're like, let's go. They get, they drive all the way there. They park the car. They're walking. And as they're walking up to the door. And she's pulling out of things. She stops and says, okay, I don't work here. I mean, she's just a sicko.

Like, you're just a, like, what are you doing? These guys called. Like, what are you? I mean, that's how, you know what I'm saying? She just, and then she goes to, of course, they eventually, they find the little girl's body. As she's, she's, they, they prosecute her or they charge her, they prosecute her. She goes through the whole trial. She happens to get this over-the-top phenomenal lawyer.

By coincidence, by the way. He's a, but prior to that, prior to that court case, he's a nobody lawyer who's a nobody lawyer who, who's just started out, who's representing state clients, state, you know, criminal defense for a couple of years, he's, he's nobody. But he goes to her and says, I'll take your case. And he then blows up. He starts representing, what was the name, Hernandez or the football player? Aaron Hernandez.

Aaron Hernandez and beats the charge. Like Aaron Hernandez gets found guilty on a couple of, and then he goes. and tries and beats the charge. And he's going to beat the other charge and then Hernandez off himself. But he ends up representing all of these guys after representing her for nothing. And if it weren't for him, she was fried.

She was fried. But yeah, she, but that's good. But yeah, she went on social media and I mean, they just, they just destroyed her. Destroyed her. Like they're not, that's not bouncing back. Diddy could probably be out. back because a whole but I think for the rest of his life he'll be when people will be saying oh you this

and you that he'll be like that's not what happened the problem is is that people will never really have seen the whole trial they'll have to be a documentary that goes through the whole trial and explains how it was all manipulated in lies and this and that and all I'm really guilty is I'm a I'm a shitty boyfriend that slapped around my girlfriend and I should have gone to jail for a couple years for that and did I have a weapon yes I should probably That's probably, it should be a year or two. It's not, but it should be. And did I pay these guys to come in?

Yeah, we're weirdos. We're weirdos. When you get to a point where you're a guy that can have anybody he wants, you probably get a little freaky. Yeah, you get a little weird. Right. You get a little freaky. And you're with a chick that's kind of a freak.

You know, and she's leaning into it. So yeah, did I get, did we go over the edge? Yeah, we went over the edge. We weren't, you know, we got a little crazy. But do I deserve it? 15 or 20 years, no, I probably deserve a year or two. And now I'm back. And yeah, I'm kind of a weirdo.

Yeah, that's it. Like, that's probably, but I do think that it will be coming up over and over again. And he'd have to do a real media thing, a real media push, and probably get some kind of doc done that makes it look like he was just absolutely set up. I know that I get thinking about his daughters, man, and about his kids. I bet you he wouldn't want nothing more. right now than to go with his two daughters and his kids and buy a slice of pizza with a Dr. Pepper soda.

Oh yeah, you know, he's not- Yep it through the straw. You know, he's not missing his cars, his house. He don't miss none of that right now, right? He don't miss the plane. And Matt, he would just sit back like this and watch all his kids just eat a slice of pizza and wipe their mouth with a napkin.

It don't got to be no high, class restaurant. And I think now he understands. I hope. I would hope that he understands what real life is. Yeah. Yeah. Because I remember being in the joint man and all I wanted to do,

I used to just say, man, I just want to take Sean to White Castle and watch him. Just sit there and let him eat at hamburger, French, and just watch him and answer whatever question. That's all I wanted. I didn't want my Brooks brother suits I didn't want my Hickie Freeman suits

my tail of me suits I didn't want my American Express card I wanted to be with my dude man Yeah I understand That shit brings you down to earth Hopefully a year If he wins Hopefully a year is enough

You know what I'm saying To bring him down To bring him down The funny thing is Is that if he went and did a couple years As a real inmate on a compound on a compound and did a few years I'll bet you the the rest of his life after after he gets out of prison

I'll bet you the rest of his life will be irrevocably changed and it would be so much better than it ever could have been had none of this happened he will have a more fulfilled life I agree you know 700% agree Yeah. Because I'm talking from experience. Yeah. Oh, I, yeah. And I know you are too.

Yeah. There's nothing like, um, having $40,000 worth of suits and, uh, you know, two commas in your bank account and you wake up every day you do what you want to getting reduced down to a high school locker with a combination lock. with three pair of khaki pants, two short-sleeved shirts, and one long-sleeve shirt, and a mat this stick, and a blanket this stick.

And you're waiting on the dude in the kitchen who stole some boiled eggs to come back so you could buy 10 eggs with two Macs, some stamps. And you're around 1,100 other dudes that are doing the same thing. and they're all positive, not all of them, but the majority of them are positive. And you're meeting people

and you finally get a chance to fully reflect on your life to say, like, I don't need none of that shit when I get out of here. Because I only got 300 minutes on the phone. I only could spend $300 on commissary on some, and I'm eating low-grade food at Mainline. if I can do this I could do anything

and I agree with you man if he was to go experience that he would get out probably wouldn't even hear from him no more you know I think he would make a little money and probably move to Indonesia or something like that to get out of jurisdiction of the DOJ

or this bullshit but he would be infinitely bad I think as a person I know I was hey you guys I appreciate you watching do me favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so get notified videos just like this also go to go in the description box you can click on the link go straight to to sean's youtube channel the podcast was soul thank you very much for watching please

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