Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - DISNEY TIMESHARE SCAM EXPOSED! Fraud, FBI & Fleeing

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

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You want to go to Disney World, we'll give you free tickets, but you got to go see a 90-minute presentation. I created a script of pure heat that's like straight fraud. I'm calling my friends, and I'm like, hey, look, quit your job. I'm going to literally make you life-changing money, and I'm talking to millions of dollars. The FBI runs in there, so I left. Upon arriving in the Dominican Republic, I look over, it's a police officer, and he's got a piece of paper with my face on it. My dad was stationed in Kevlovak, which is the NATO base, and I, Iceland. Ultimately, I got enough trouble where the CEO of the base, the captain of the

base, said, hey, look, we're going to kick them off. So my dad thought it would be a great idea for me to move with my aunt and uncle in Atlanta, Georgia. And it was very interesting because this actually was probably my first introduction to crime. My aunt was the head of and Marshall's distribution center for the whole southeast. And that's kind of where all the trucks and would basically congregate and distribute throughout the whole southeast section. And I remember when I first moved there, my aunt gives me this huge bag, like a bag full of like clothes, you know, starter, guest watches, clones. And I was like, I've never even seen these kind of things in Iceland because, you know, living in Iceland so secluded, you know, you see these things and you want them,

but they're just not available. So seeing those things, I was just like a kid in a candy store, you know, and I've always had a passion for fashion. I never questioned it. You know, I just thought it was something that my aunt did, but it would turn out that every Sunday I would wake up because she would work their third shift and I would wake up to a huge bag of goodies. I mean, she's pilfering the trucks that come in. She's grabbing the best stuff. What turned out is she was running a bootleg operation in Atlanta. She ended up going to the feds as well. Yeah, they would basically rent homes and they would basically turn them into shopping centers for people to buy discounted on the discount. She had a truck driver that she would work with

and just let them drive off with a whole 18-wheeler. So you're she's kind of a gangster. I see. She's an OG. I always tell you, you're the original gangster. Yeah, for sure. I noticed when I first got there how life changed dramatically. Everything in the house is new. This is when big screens were just brand new. You had those big, huge ones. So big screen TVs and money everywhere. I remember my aunt telling me, hey, listen, can you sweep up the floor? Which is a normal chore you would do as a kid, and I'll get 20 bucks for this, 20 bucks for that. And I'm like, 60 bucks by noontime, you know, just doing basic household chores that I would have to do for free. And I noticed just how life changed from that point.

And I knew something. I'm not, you know, I'm above average intelligent person. I can tell something is going on, you know. And this kind of went on for a couple of years. And I remember she had a simple routine. She would probably regularly do it, but it was a specific night. It was Saturday night going to Sunday night. was like the night that I know I would go down to the basement or rec room and you will see these

the whole thing loaded with huge bags like I mean industrial size garbage bags full of clothes suits jewelry watches clothes you know I mean it got so much that like you know the entrepreneur me the little hustler in me I would actually you know get some of the watches and some of the clones guest watches and I was selling them in school got a little popular for that I was sold into my teachers because you know I had it so one night in particular I remember my uncle would go, I don't know what he actually did, but he would leave for a little bit and always come back. I remember one night he went and he didn't come back as in like on schedule. So my aunt called and she had a cousin named Tammy and she was asking Tammy, hey, he's your uncle

back yet? Oh no, your father back yet. She says no. So then she was called again. Hey, Uncle James is back yet. I was like, no, he's not back yet. So she got a little worried and she can know something is going on. The routine changed. And we all know when you get the little spider senses when you're doing something bad you can tell okay hey this is something's different so is she think he's running around or he got arrested yeah i believe at that time i believe she thinks he was getting arrested yeah she could sense something's not right me and my cousin at that time where she's 15 i'm 14 and we just she had a little driving permit so we go to drive where my aunt worked and as we get there we both get out the car and i'm a kid like i don't know anything like one of my

postures was i had my hands in my pocket went out yeah so as soon as we pull up up there like an officer will literally pulls out a gun and says hey don't know what your hands on your pocket your hands on your pocket I'm like what's going on here like you know what I mean ultimately I was able to put two and two together the gig was up so on and so forth so I end up coming back to the house and when I got back to the house my uncle James actually called me from the county jail said hey good or do get everything out of the house that has a marshal's tag in it so I'm like holy shit everything in this fucking house has a marshal tag on it right I can't do this by myself So I ended up going to get my neighbor.

His name was T.J. A really cool kid. So I go grab him and say, hey, TJ, it's like two in the morning. Look, I need your help. He goes, what do you want to do? I said, I need you to help me move all the stuff out the house. And I said, look, first you can pick anything and everything you want. But you need to help me get all this stuff out the house.

Right. He said, all right, cool, I got you. So he goes over to the house and literally went like on a shopping spree. And he bags up his stuff and takes it to his house, two houses down. So it's probably like 2.30 in the house. morning so all night we're bagging things up and we ended up carrying it over to where my neighbor lived and he was actually the truck driver that was working with my aunt so i would just basically take all the bags load them up like these things like probably 30 40 pounds and throw them over the fence

so we're literally doing this all night sun comes up finally finished and now me and him are like what are we going to do i was like oh let's just go to church because that is a really big church next there. So we dress up in these suits that we had from marshals and all this stuff. And sure enough, we go to a little church service and we come back. And mind you, I'm not like, I'm really just person. It was just something to do. So we get back. And as we get back, shortly after that, yeah. Is this FBI that grabbed them? Well, I think it started with local GBI, Georgia Bureau Investigation. Right. Yeah, started with them. And I think it, you know, funneled up, FBI picked it up or the feds picked it up. Yeah. Well, it's a national company. So there's a good chance of that,

yeah. All right to know that. Yeah, yeah. Well, especially because, of because of, because they're moving merchandise. Absolutely. Yeah. That's why a lot of people, like, if they rob, like, a 7-Eleven that's like a national, some kind of national, they'll, sometimes the feds will pick up. You're like, he robbed a 7-Eleven. Yeah, he robbed six 7-Elevens and it's a national company. Got you.

That actually makes sense. There's some reason for it. I don't know exactly what it is. I feel like the feds are very thirsty. They want to get everybody in the feds now. But that makes sense. So, yeah, they show up with my aunt and she's like, hey, tell them where, you know, show him where everything's at. She didn't know my uncle called me. Right. So, like, I didn't know that

she didn't know. So I was like, okay, if she didn't tell me that, so we could have, I mean, it's not like they were going to get away with it anyway, because they had enough evidence. Yeah, they obviously did their investigation, so on and so forth. But whatever was found at the house or, you know, it would have been included in the indictment, so on and so forth. But there was probably like 30, 40 bags. So they ended up getting that. Oh, so she said, show them where the bags are and you thought she meant where you dumped the bags. That's what I thought, but that's not what she meant, you know. I don't know really what she was actually asking me to do, you know, or help them,

you know, so I just sold everything where it was at and they ended up taking that. Ultimately, that morning, they got arrested. My uncle was locked up. So now here I'm 14. My cousin's 15, you know, we're home by herself. So I ultimately called my dad. Hey, dad. Can I go believe this?

all right just got locked up so he being in iceland obviously has to coordinate and he immediately came as fast he could and at that point of time you know my aunt got locked up my uncle ended up getting bond they both got bonded out at that point in time my dad realized okay living here with them it's not going to work anymore obviously so my dad decided to retire to Orlando how much time's your aunt get oh yeah so she ended up getting five years what's your uncle yet uncle got i think two years but he was able to do it with some kind of weekend thing. Okay. You know, because he wasn't, like, the main...

He went to the ring later. Correct, yeah. I don't know what the other gentleman got. Being that age, I didn't really get that disclosed to me. I do remember Aunt Lorraine got five years. Uncle James got two, and he was able to do it on the weekends. So now, yeah, we moved to Orlando, Florida. It was really interesting because, you know, I came from in Atlanta.

It was a predominantly black. I was in DeKalb County. Went southwest of DeKalb High School. Podominee Black, you'd probably see one or two. white guys or white people. They actually, what you is, Italian? They didn't really know what I actually was. So, but I identified black and white, you know. So I moved to Orlando. And in Orlando, it was predominantly Puerto Rican. You know, you have whites, obviously. It was a good mix, you know, depending on what side of town on. I was from the east side. And it was a good mix. Puerto Ricans,

blacks, whites, Dominican, you know, just your, it was more of a demographic that based on your, I guess, income versus color. You know, and that's, That was one of the things that, you know, Atlanta was, like, very segregated. Orlando, I attended a university's high school, which is right across street from University, Central Florida. And I was a basketball player, you know, eat, drink, and sleep basketball. I think that actually helped me with a lot of things in life kept me focused and kept me out of trouble. Not really saying I was a troublesome person, but it's just, you know, all you would do is practice. If you weren't practicing, you're playing, and if you weren't playing, you're doing things that, you know, with the basketball players.

So we ended up, this was actually going to be an introduction to my very first, I guess you could say, crime. You know, I was 16, 17 years old, and the Orlando Magic were probably the best team, one of the best teams in the NBA. They were going to the finals at Shaq, Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, Horace Grant. They literally went to the finals that year. And I got a job working for the Orlando Magic Fanatic. It was me and my girlfriend at the time. a high school sweetheart and we would work inside the arena and the arena would have four different booths okay and back then there weren't cameras and a lot of the technology we have now and what

they would do is they'll give us a cash box the cash box had $200 in it so at the end of the night you would basically when you sold an item because it wasn't a digital cash register it's just a little box you tear off a tag if you sold the jersey put it in the box make the change so your money equal to your amount of tax. One night, as we're working, and mind you, at this point in time, they're overproducing magic apparel because this is like the best thing

that hit Orlando, you know, for a sports genre. So one night I actually was cashing my, doing my counting at the end, and it turned out I was $90 over. And I'm like, oh shit, I don't want to get fired for that. Like, I did something wrong,

but then I started thinking myself, damn. Over. They're not going to fire for over. Yeah, but then I said to my, myself, well, what if I take the other, I take the, uh, the $90 and I'm even. Right. So. Just seems like the right thing to do. It just makes sense.

You know, I didn't know. Uh, so I ended up pocketing the $90 and was scared shitless. I was like the next time I went to where I worked, probably three, four days a week because I worked magic, solar bears and Orlando Predators at the time. At the little indoor football thing, arena football. So I come back to work the next time and just, just knowing I'm going to get fired. And sure enough. What was that anything?

And that was like the worst thing that could happen to do because it's like, oh, shit. I crack, I crack, I crack the code, you know. I was like, okay, I'm a test the waters. You know, and mind you, I'm like 17 years old, you know, and I'm just, I have no bills or nothing. You know, just a kid that goes to school, you know. So I took $270 this time. And sure enough, went back to work again. No, never said anything.

So you sold the jerseys, you just didn't account for the sale. So what I would do is I would sell and I just wouldn't put the tag in the, because they did no inventory. Yeah, because it's not like they're counting up at the okay, we're supposed to have 150 of these. We only have 147. Correct. You know, and it just got to a point where everything at the end of the night,

I just had everything in there. So what I'll do is I'll take out this many dollars worth of tags and then just take out of the time. So I just made it even. So I wasn't even doing anything to the end of the night. So I just did it as I was regular working. And sure enough, you know, it went up to a point where I was taking a thing. thousand dollars a night you know at 17 years old and i worked three four nights a week and the

crazy thing was is it's three of us in a booth and you know everyone would go to their own little section at the end when we pull down a thing and the count your money but once i walked in on like to somebody and he was doing oh oh no no nothing i was like no no no it's cool it's cool are you doing it no he goes yeah why i said i do it too we're good right everybody in there was doing it it was we had actually a English teacher that worked and that was her second job in the evening she was doing it so we were all like you know skimmed yeah you know taking a little off the top

but we weren't you know obviously still like I would always still out of three people in the booth I would always top seller you know I always would still be the best but yeah everybody was doing it you know and it turned into something now you know I'm coming back to high school or going back to school and me and my girlfriend are skipping school on a bus going to Fashion Square Mall, and I'm coming back with racks of shoes and then catching the

school bus home, you know, I'm buying shoes, uh, I mean, I think kids stuff. Like, it ain't really buy anything serious, but just have all kinds of drip as in clothing and shoes and stuff like that. Ultimately, it got to a point where one of the kids who actually got us hired, you know, this is the thing about this, you know, you get overconfident and it's just never enough, you know, so. You become brazen. Yeah, like, and I didn't know anything. about anything. So several times people would go there and they would buy with credit card and they would leave the card. So I don't know why I did. I just thought it would be cool. Whatever, let me just, I could now use the card if I go shopping instead of the cash. And ultimately I ended up,

it worked. We did it at, I think it was called Burdines at that time. But it was, but it was like a Florida one, right? Yeah, yeah. It was specific items. Oakley's Hill Figure and so on and so forth. So the kid who actually got us hired, he was really close with like the owners and stuff like that. So they ultimately said, hey, look, somebody from one of the booths, because they can't tell which one, took this. I think they might have been able to know from the terminal. They might have, yeah. So it came out of three people. So ultimately, he saw me with those exact items.

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And I'll be honest with you. I think he's doing something with the inventory. too. I did too. You need to look at him. Yeah, Jimmy's the guy. But ultimately, we didn't get fired or anything like that, but they started counting on the inventory. No, they, well, I actually don't know how if they did that. They just didn't take us, they're like, you would come back the next season. Because what it was, this is why they couldn't do the inventory. In the arena, they had these like little roof things, that little tile roof things that can come off. And the people that worked maintenance for the arena, they would go down there and steal, and they knew it. It was There's so much that they couldn't.

They're also probably, I wonder if they just don't care. They're making so much money. We're printing jerseys for four bucks a piece and we're selling them for $4,500, absolutely. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. So if we lose 25% to theft, we're still making a killing. Yeah, we're still making it out. So, but they felt, I guess, the trust level was gone. But at that point in time, like, I literally had, I remember, I saved up almost $40,000 as a kid.

Holy shit. Yeah. And I remember going, I got suspended for school for, I can't remember, something very minor, something I got to do suspended for three days. And mind you, I don't really even get in trouble. But I ended up getting suspended. During that time, I told my dad, because my dad, you know, knows I've been working. So I say, hey, pops, listen, I want to go buy a car. You know, I've been saving. He goes, oh, I'm very proud of you, son. Okay. I said, dad, I got $3,500. I want to put down. He's so happy that. 3500? Yeah, yeah. He knew enough to say it, not say, $4,000. No, no, no, no, I definitely don't want to do that. He's like, son, you know what, you bake your car payments, I'll pay your insurance for you. So I was like, okay, great. So we went to the Navy Federal Credit Union and got a loan.

I went and bought myself at that time a little Honda Prelude, two-door. During that time of suspension, bought a brand new car, went tricked it out, had new rims on it. Back then, the biggest ones they had it were 16-inch, put another system in it. Had like one of the coolest systems in it, you know. So I come back from suspension with a brand-new car. car, tricked out, so on and so forth. Now, I went ahead and went back to my bank where my dad got the loan, which was the Navy Federal, and he didn't know what I was doing, but the car was in my name and his name. So I went in, paid off the car. And at that point in time, I had no car

payment. He has no clue. He has no clue. He has no clue. You know the car was paid off. So I actually had a pretty good credit at that very young age or good loan status. I don't really know what credit was at that age. That actually was kind of like my first introduction of like, you know, fast money, you know, and it was something that was a gift and a curse because like once you start making that kind of money very easily, it's very hard to go like do a regular job and you see that, oh, I can do this to that. So that was a gift and a curse, I guess you could say.

Yes, we get the guys that say, you know, like they do, just like me, the first time I did something, the worst thing that could have happened was I got away. got away with it yeah and it reminds me to think of those the two there was two chinese bankers who had stolen some money from a chinese bank they worked in and and they they bought lottery cards and they won and so so they won money then they were able to put the money back and they had made like a hundred thousand dollars or something so they were like so the worst that was the worst thing that happened because then they went and borrowed more yeah they took more money and the next time they lost overconfident and they executed super optimist i think they call it

Yeah, they executed them. Oh, my. Killed them. Because they're not fucking around in China. You know what I'm saying? Like, talk about one that went bad. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, so the worst thing that could have happened was the fucking guy won. He could, because he could have stolen the amount of money and put back some of it. Like, they wouldn't have really noticed the million dollars he had stolen. Yeah. But when they took like 15 million. But he killed him for it. Oh, they killed him for it. It's China.

Yeah. They're not playing around. And they stole from like the Bank of China or something. Oh, hell no. So it was the same thing. Yeah. You get overconfidence. It's the worst thing is you become bold and emboldened by it.

And you start getting brazen and you start doing crazier and brainers. One up, each one. Yeah. Now, after high school or during high school, I got introduced to Orlando's. They had a scene, rave scene, you know, in their late 90s, early 2000s. Florida had a sound or central Florida had like a breakbeat music sound. And I started to go into raves experimenting with drugs at the time. I was never really into drugs or that scene as a younger kid.

because I was an athlete, you know, and I just thought drugs would kill you if you did it. And, you know, also growing up in Iceland, being sheltered like that, there's really no drugs around. So everything you hear about it is either from dare commercials. So I go to these raves and experimenting, and I got into the scene of dancing and break be-boying as things that were popular during that time.

So while everybody was, and I graduated high school, and I was going to go on to college, and just college wasn't really, for me. You know, I wanted to, and I consider myself an intelligent person. I was blessed with close to a photographic memory. I can't say I have a photographic, but damn near. And that's kind of been a gift and a curse in itself. I would go to school and I would just pay attention. And then a night before, kind of cram a little and, you know, above average in grades. But college didn't

really appeal to me, you know, my father being in the military, you know, he thought, hey, go to the military, military, military, and I almost did that. The neighbor recruiter was just a little too thirsty, you know. I wasn't sure if I wanted to do it, and I would get off the school bus or come home, and he's already there stalking me, and I was like, okay, hold on. This guy is like, something's going on. If you want me to get in there that bad, like, you know, like, that's just so I got kind of turned off from that, and also military life wasn't really for me, you know.

I am a creative thinker, you know. I don't like to be tied down or conform to a certain way. You know, I like to be able to be creative and free. And the military definitely is a good thing. You know, they teach a discipline. There's so many good qualities in it, you know. And I probably could have used that at that young age. But I didn't.

So I continued to just do telemarketing jobs. I was always really good at articulating, communicating, and I guess I call it a less one of a silver tongue. so I was telemarketing during these times while I was partying in the rave scene and I would have friends that were went this way and I went that way I didn't get into the illegal activity of drug dealing

I would party with everyone but I seemed to know and network with all the big dealers and it wasn't something I'm bragging about because everyone probably knows somebody but the thing was they continued to be the hustlers and I was continuing to go to work and I would basically be a weekend warrior, you know, and as I progress with sales,

I would learn different techniques and so on and so forth. So I always carried a job and maintained it. Sometimes I would get fired because I parties up, but I would always get another job in sales. And that went on for years until finally I got told, hey, you should do timeshare. I was like, what's that? And the guy who was telling me was driving this,

I think there's some ass infinity. and he was like my age and I'm like he goes well you can make this this so I was like you drive that from there he goes yeah and I say how much money he goes dude I make like nine 10 thousand dollars a month and this is like back in 2003 2004 yeah it's a ton of money and I'm like holy shit in Florida yeah like I need that

that's like a million dollars a year in in California absolutely so I was like and you're like my age and you basically he was like dressed in and I love to dress I like to be clean, neat, you know, I'm very particular about my presentation. So I say, you get to go to work like that and make that kind of money and drive something like that. I was like, I'm in. So I ended up going to get hired. I got hired at Westgate, which was at the time, probably still is, probably the biggest one.

Yeah, Westgate Resorts. So I got hired at Westgate. I went and got my real estate license, which was a difficult thing. It's very tricky, you know. Do you have to get your real estate license? Yeah, if you wanted to get commission, and it's because technically you're selling real estate, even because it's deeded time and space.

So in order to get commission, you have to have a real estate license. Now, I didn't start off with it because you can actually work for the developer, which would hold the license, and they can pay you a daily salary. And even at that time, you'd go in at 6 in the morning,

and you'll get out 12 o'clock. No, you start at 7. I'll get there at 6. You start, the line opens up at 7. And what that basically means is they have these booths on high traffic areas and tourist areas. And they're saying, hey, would you like some free Disney tickets? You know, Disney tickets are like 80, 90, at that time, 100 bucks per ticket. Sure, family of four.

You know, I want to save money. Absolutely. I understand. You're not calling. No, no. I'm doing tours. I'm referring to how they got people in to take these tours so I can take up on a 90-minute presentation to sell them a 30-year-old.

$40,000 property. When you said time shares, I just assumed you were, it was like a call center. No, that's time share resale. Oh, okay. That's the crime or the industry I was in, which ultimately got me indicted. Okay. This is my introductory to the world of timeshare. So you're just going to people in Orlando and seeing like a family and saying, hey, by the way, would you like to?

No, no, no. I worked at the physical resort. Okay. I'm in a suit and tie. I'm that person that the family goes to at seven in the morning because, Because they want to get a free ticket to the park that somebody said, hey, if you want to go to Disney World, Sea World, we'll give you free tickets, but you got to go see a 90-minute presentation at this resort at this time. Got it. So I'm that guy.

So you would basically show up to work, suit and tie, you know, spiffy presentation is very, very important. People judge you on your looks and your appearance. You don't want to be too flashy or too successful. You want to still, you know, you find a happy medium. So, hey, John Mary. And you call them. they show up. You've got a little ticket.

You take them on a presentation. And it's a 90-minute tour. It's where they signed up for. But the truth is, there's no way you can go through that 90 minutes. It's my job to earn another 90 minutes while I'm with them. And ultimately, at the end of that 90 minutes, or I'll say two or three hours,

you're going to get them to buy right now. Right. So it is high-pressure sales because there's no be-backs. There's no callbacks. It's right here, right now. So I ultimately, again, I got trained. trained very well by them. I've got to definitely compliment their training. They teach you how to train, sell emotionally. They teach all the different techniques and sales is an art form

that can be learned. There is also things that can't be learned, you know, like the communication or just the personality. You know, I'm a genuine guy. Right. Like, I'm in the business of people, but I genuinely like people. You know what I mean? Is that sincerity? If you can fake that, you got it made. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. My dad told me that. He goes, and you can fake it. you've got that and then all the different clothes is the the economic clothes the um oh just absolutely uh what was it the economic clothes there's there's there's like six different types of closings um there's trial closes there's uh yeah i mean absolutely the name of all of them too but i remember oh the takeaway clothes absolutely that was my biggest one yeah i loved it this isn't

for you you know what this isn't for you no no i want to buy yeah i want people want what they can't You know, I mean, it's just like you've been in a relationship. This is too much. This is too expensive for you. Yeah. You need to look at a small or, no, no, I want the three bedroom. You know, you need something better fits your family, you know. Sorry.

The Mr. Mrs. Jones just bought this one. You know, it's all right, you know. Let me check my inventory, see if he can find a better unit for you, you know. That's just like how it is, like, I think of everything, you know, I mean, you take away, like, you have a girlfriend and you like her and everything. She likes, you know, all of a sudden that, you know, she doesn't like you, not, oh, shit. Oh, I'm, I love you, you know.

I was going to say I'm big on the moment they're the moment they're like I don't know I'm not sure oh hey you know what we're done we're good thanks good luck and walk away and then they're like yeah yeah yeah absolutely it's just it's literally it's it's a humans want what they can't have yeah it doesn't really become super valuable until it's either rare or not available what's horrible is that there will people in the comment section saying salesmen are horrible you guys are horrible people and you know and we are we are I'm okay with it. Listen, it served me well. Yeah. As I just said, if you're in sales and you don't want to make money, you know, but obviously, like I said, you know, yeah, if you're in sales, you don't want to

make money, then you're in the wrong fucking business. They say the sales industry has the most millionaires out of any industry, at least back then. I don't know now. So my mom used to always always say, like when I was like, oh, I don't know how I'm going to get a job. This is when I was locked out. She's like, you're a salesman. You're always always. Always. It's the same thing I told my dad. Like, yeah, always you can find, there's a sale going on in absolutely where they're selling you know or you selling them, yes, but there's every product or everything has to have a. It has to have a absolutely. And what's so funny about it too is that when you go, it's funny, like if you're not a salesman and you go in for a salesman job and you walk in and you say the right things and you look,

the guy knows you're not a salesman. No, a fisherman could spot another fisherman from far. Absolutely. You walk and you're like, hey man, what's going on? Hey, yeah, I'm here for the sales job. That right then, it's almost like they're looking at you and they're talking to you for three minutes and they're almost like, here's your office? Like, they already know. The guy who's not a salesman can talk for 30 minutes and be the nicest guy, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

You're not going to sell. I actually wouldn't even refer to myself as a salesman because to me, that's a different level. I'm a closer. Oh, okay. I turn nose into yes, you know what I mean? And if anything, I'll find a need. And if you don't have a need for it, I'll create one that you didn't even know. So I definitely feel it's an art form.

Yeah, any individual that has been in sales successfully closers. You know, and there's different kind of closers as well. Personality, so on and so forth. And I was one of those individuals. That's a backdoor closer. You know, I would sell you without you knowing you're being sold. Right. Like, people already automatically come in.

Like, I know I'm about to get just intense, you know what I mean? And I'll tell them, hey, look, I'm going to show you this property. I'm going to explain how it works, how it benefit you and your family. At the end, all I'm going to do is ask you if this is something you would rather do. Fair enough, you know. Yeah. I'm not going to pressure you to do anything, you know. You know, when you learn how to sell by.

emotion because a lot of times people sell homes, features, location, but if you sell by emotion, like you and your family, it's like if you have a pool and a person will come or a home that has a pool and you want to go sell the home. And a normal real estate agent will say, hey, you're going to have a pool here. This is one of the features. We touch base on it, but tell them the memories you're going to make with your family, it's your kids growing up, so on the barbecues, that quality time and like, how can you say no to that, you know? Yeah, yeah. So this could be your kid's bedroom or your kids can go right out here to where the beach is. You can start a legacy that's going to be passed on. You can see them the whole time. They can be here in the pool. You can

see them from the balcony, which is great. No, your kids are going to be home. They're envisioning. That emotion, you know, that emotion invokes that makes you, you're going to start a legacy that your children's children are going to pass on, you know, and that's horrible. Yeah. Horrible. But if you learn that technique, you could turn those nose into yeses. I'm just trying to help people. I'm just trying to help people. Hey, I'm in a people business. I want to help you. I want to help you build memories with your family. It's all about quality time. Right.

Yeah. Help me help you. It's horrible. You know? And that was one of the... You guys are scumbacks. Well, this is the thing. Look, I was brainwashed.

This is the crazy thing. I was actually brainwashed. Westgate does a very good job. Right. First of all, the training is three weeks long. Okay. And you got to memorize a 90-minute script in three weeks. Now, mind you don't get it all in one time, but they'll give you like five, six pages that you

got to memorize. The next day, you got to write it down word for work. So, one, your memory can be good, but they also teach you and brainwash you into believing time share. That's why I was really good at it. I literally believed I was helping people. And at the same time, you got your, you ended up getting your real estate license, too. Correct.

So I also mentally know, one of the things about timeshare, they do percentages, what percentage close you are. So in order to keep your job, you had to be a minimum, I think, 12 to 15. And if you're making 12 to 15% closer, you're making a good 70, $75,000 a year. 20% closure you're making 100 grand 25 and up you're doing 150, 200 grand a year

now I'm not trying to boost a brag but I was a 36% closer and I was rolling in the dough and I'm a young little hot shot I go to work suit and tie and you come in there

with your nice watch and I and you say hi how are you doing all the they had a lot of good looking individuals the females were good looking and the males were technically they took care of themselves

to everyone it was a good looking environment The environment was very positive. Everyone's making money. And that's what it was. And everybody in that environment, it was like fast life, fast cars, fast women type, you know, lifestyle. You would go to work at 6 in the morning, get a start at 7, technically, get out 12, go home, take a nap. Sometimes if you sold, we never even go home.

You just go hit the Applebee's, TGi Fridays, and then you start drinking there, celebrating. If you didn't sell, you're actually celebrating the other guy's sale. or if you didn't sell you're actually drinking because you didn't sell so it was always a reason to go drink so you end up drinking and then next you know you go from two in the afternoon four or five now you got happy hour at the other spot then next you know you got blue martini and then you're actually at the strip cup throwing out a bunch of money until about three four in the morning and then you get a little power nap and you're back doing it again you know and it was just a very fast life and it was fun you know how long does this go on I did time share for about three years. Ultimately, I did Westgate for two years, then I did a year at Orange Lake, which Orange Lake was took my sales skills because of the training they had there. It just took it to another

level. So I started selling and I was in Deeding every day. I remember I had like nine days in a row, which is Deeding which would be to close. Close the property. So just to give you an example, when you sell a timeshare property, like they take one unit and they

sell it 52 times. And That unit ranges from 40,000, and again, they have different things, but it's just going to give a little synapsis, 40,000 down to 9,000 or even 5,000, which they can actually do a little tricky things to make it affordable. The main thing is this back then, they would literally give you 100 bucks to take a tour. That person could take that $100, he uses as their down payment, and next thing you know, you're walking out with a timeshare property stuck with a $400, $500 bill. you know, I get my commission because it's financed to whoever financed it. But so I was literally selling people timeshare that they couldn't even afford, you know. So you're out there making selling properties, $40,000 to $30,000, $20,000, and I was making

sometimes $20,000, $30,000 a month, you know, just in commissions. Then you get bonuses because if you hit this tier, you're going to get this. So I was making a really good living with that. And what ultimately happened was I didn't renew my 45-hour. real estate license and every two years you have to do that and it turns out what the fuck yeah you're making that kind of money you got it you got to maintain yeah well they make you reapply kind of like to show no no no they don't they make you take it updated like regulations laws and whatnot so when you don't do that continuing education somewhat like that yeah they want to make sure you're still

updated with the laws and regulations that were okay every two years they make you do that if they still I don't know if it's still like that back when I was in the early 2000. That's what they were required. I ended up not doing it. So I ultimately lost my license. So I was still selling my ass off in the resorts. I was actually number two in the resort. And number one,

she was getting a $30,000 bonus that month. And I'm not getting anything. I'm on a daily salary, which means I made $200 a day. Mind you, $200 a day for six hours a day, maybe 30 hours a week, such a thousand bucks. Not bad.

Right. But the truth is. But it's not making, it's not 20,000. a month. But what happens is when you're making $20,000 a month, your lifestyle increases. Right. Your bills increases. So I was making $20,000. Now I'm dropped to $1,000 a week, but my lifestyle was still exactly the same. So I was literally barely making it. You know, I was struggling. And I'm like top rep in the resort. So the girl is dating at that time.

This is my introductory to timeshare resale, which is a whole another industry in its own. I've always heard about it when I was selling time. share and I would always kind of like it was like the black sheep of the timeshare you know so ultimately my girlfriend at the time she worked for westgate she no longer worked for him she was working for some gentlemen universal timeshare and that was a timeshare resale company so we're dating and mind you I get up in the morning go to work she doesn't even get up to like 10 30 in the morning and she goes to work at 11 or 12 and gets off at 7 so she doesn't work weekends one of the things and time share they make you work weekends and at that time in my life i like my weekends you know it's the

best time to go out and party so she ultimately i saw her one time with a check $1,300 and i'm thinking myself like you barely work how do you get a check for it and you're not even cashed it because your other check was still sufficient you know i mean and you barely you know i know i can close 10 times more than you so i was like what do you do oh i just see timeshare resale we're on the phones and she explained that we saw advertising and marketing so i was like shit i need a second job you know so she said okay i'll tell my boss so i called the gentleman and i'm like hey i work at orange lake i need another job because they started basically some days were 11 to 1 some days they started 1 o'clock to 7 o'clock in the evening so i was like that's perfect i get off

12 o'clock i can be right over there and go straight to work second job he's like he's like hey, can you come in tomorrow? I said, yeah, sure. So I come in, mind you, it's a very relaxed in office environment. I come in with a suit and tie, like, you know, some kind of CEO type stuff. So I come in with a suit and tie, and I ask the gentleman, hey, I get a job. He goes, yeah, you know, I'll hire you. If you can walk, talk, and breathe, they'll hire you.

You know, I didn't realize that. You know, I mean, so I got hired first day. I was like, okay, so are we going to have a training? They're like, oh, no, just read the script. It wasn't even script. It's like an introduction. Right. I'll say, what else I do?

They say, call these numbers and read the script. I was like, what? Well, you know, I understood how times you're sold and the whole dynamics of all that. There wasn't a three-week training course? Nothing. Like, sink or swim. So, and it's all commissioned, so you either make it or you don't.

So what I would do, I get on the phone, dialed, and I read the little script, and I got, I added all my own stuff, and I got that far. I'm like, okay, that didn't work. Turn it's it. Read the script, call again. I got a little further. That worked.

So I write that down. So now I'm making my script as I'm going. Call again. I got a little further. So ultimately, I just created a own script by trial and there

with the skills that I've already developed over the years. Now, that very day, first day, I ended up making $700. And I'm like, holy shit.

I don't crack the code. Like this right here, if I focus on this, like I could literally, at that day and time of my life, I could make a boatload of money. and be completely no pressure. Now, mind you, I was selling advertisement.

Okay, now what that basically means is we cannot promise them, hey, you're going to sell your time. You want to sell your time sure. Hey, I'm going to sell your time sure. It's sold. That's illegal, obviously. But, hey, look, we can advertise and market it, give it all the exposure for it to potentially sell,

you know, versus you doing absolutely nothing stuck with your monthly payments, though with the maintenance fees, so on and so forth. you know so these people regardless whatever it is they do whether they use their timesure or not they're stuck with those fees right that was one of the things that started to change the way i looked at it like these families were promised they're going to have this life-changing experience of vacationing but they're actually stuck with a lifetime of maintenance fees and taxes so i understood that so going into the timeshare resale i just used all that you know as my advantage say look whether you do this or not, you're going to be stuck with that. At least if you pay this at that time, it was

$1350, $1,350. You know, we'll market it for the next 90 days. And you guys then take the information on the time share and you put it on a website to try and sell. Yeah, this is the tricky thing. Like, right? Let's know how. And nobody's going to that website. Nobody's buying your shirt. It's like a need on a haystack. Now, if we don't sell it in the 90 days, don't worry. We're going to market it until it's sold on our expense. Yeah. It's nothing. It's on a website. Dude, just type it in, put it there, and that's it.

But you know what's horrible about this is that you're now on the phone saying, man, the guy that talked you into this, what was he thinking? I can't believe he stuck you with this. But that was you or that's you that morning. That was me two hours ago. That's a dirt bag. I know exactly how they were sold. You deserve better than this.

What did he tell you that you were going to tell you to tell you that you could see your kids swimming in the pool and you were going to build memories? Oh, what a dirt bag. They always get you with that one. Yeah. I know. So I knew both ends of the spectrum. Oh, my God. So I played to my advantage.

Ultimately, I was making enough money at the timeshare resale that I didn't even want to go to the resort, wake up six in the morning. Or actually, we had to wake up five. I'd be there at six. I don't know. So I let Orange Lake fire me. Right. So I can get unemployment. Right.

That's a little bonus check. I know, I know. Listen, I'm sorry. But it is what it is. I can see you feel bad. No, I can see you feel bad about it. I like nice things. So at that point, I'm collecting unemployed from Orange Lake. And I'm working under the table with this company called Timeshare. No, Universal TimeShare. And I ultimately basically had three people in the office outside of myself. And I was closing, running circles around everybody. And everybody was like,

wow. So what they would do is they'll bring me their deal that they just can't close. And say, hey, Gunner, can you close this for me? I was like, well, I'll close it for you, but I'll split the commission. Right. So now I'm doing my own deals. Now I got like everyone, and they do literally all the work. They don't realize because they just can't close. Some people want to ask for the money, you know, or don't understand a certain, you know, so.

I would get those guys, those salesmen who would do, they get the customer in, they've signed everything, they've explained everything. They're basically in the middle of signing at the documents, and they keep talking. Yeah, it's like, yeah. The guy already said, all you got to do is ask for the money. Shut up. Yeah, absolutely. You could only lose it now.

And I've been in the middle of sitting there listening to it. You'll talk their way out the deal. And in the middle of the thing while the guy's signing, he's like, yeah, don't even worry about the prepayment penalty. Like, we'll refinance it in three, in like three years. And all of a sudden, the customer's like, what? How much is the prepayment penalty? And I'm like, what did you do?

What did you do? You already signed it. But yeah, there are some people that they just talk themselves out of deals. Absolutely. Yeah. And, you know, it's either from. them just not knowing or just nervousness or scared to ask for the money. And they always say, like, when you ask for the sale or you give that little clothes,

shut up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the first person actually speaks will lose. Right. You know, and once you get on that point, just, and I would get, like I said, with those individuals, I had multiple people that would do all the legwork. And now I got like every day, I got hot leads, so to speak, fronted leads, as they called it in the industry.

And I was closing them left and right, you know. and I took that little office I think they were making like maybe $8,000 in a week or whatever until we were pumping out $30,000, $40,000 in a week and it was just about four or five of us, you know?

And at the time, I was only getting a commission. I think it was 25%, which sounds good. Hey, if I sell $1,000, make $250,000, which $1,000 is pretty easy. You know what I mean? I make $250, you do $2 or $3 a day, that's $1,000, $5,000, $20,000 a month.

So it adds up. Now, at that point in time, the owner, I had to ask him because it was like, now I turned your office into this. And at the same time, I'm watching everything, learning how to do this, learning how to do that, slowly but surely gathering. Because, you know, ultimately, like I said, look, why am I making you rich when I can make myself rich? Like, I can do this, you know? So I said, out of fairness, because I'd like to be, I'm an extremely loyal guy. Like, I don't believe, even though I operate as in sales a certain way, I still have integrity. You still have to, you know, especially with people you're interacting with on a day-to-day basis or people who've helped you out.

Hey, it goes both ways. So I said to him, hey, Yusuf. Book Club on Monday. Jim on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday. Out on the town on Thursday. Quiet night in on. Friday. It's good to have a routine. And it's good for your eyes, too. Because with regular

comprehensive eye exams at Specsavers, you'll know just how healthy they are. Visit Spexavers.cavers.cai to book your next eye exam. I'm provided by independent optometrists. I need to get a race. You know, I want to present you with, you know, give me, and I actually asked them, hey, give me 45%, you know. I thought it was a great number, you know, yeah. I need that four or five. No, so he molded over. But at the same token, he's making 55%. He doesn't even do nothing.

I mean, like, all you do, because the leads, I actually provided because through, leads are, people understand what leads actually are. Leads are something that can make or break a sales company. You know, you're only as good as the lead. You're calling or you're a person in front of you.

Because if you're pitching somebody, like, that it's a bad, I don't care how good clothes are. You can't, like, sell something that, the person has no need, it's impossible. So you're always as good at, in that industry, you're always as good as the lead

that you're calling. And due to my previous relationships I had with the resorts, I developed, you know, relationships with people who worked in different departments. And I would actually, they would have

owners database or access to the owner's database, which means I got fresh leads and it doesn't cost these people anything because I'll go to them and say, hey, look, I want 10,000 names, telephone numbers, what they paid, all that stuff, and I'm going to give you 10 cents a name. You just made $1,000.

Are you telling me that you sold these fuckers in 2003, you're selling 40 of these things a month. And then a year later, you're having these people pull all those and you're calling the same people saying, listen, where you've been paying this thing for a year? How many times you've been there? Once? Come on. What are you doing? We've got to get this off. I can market this for you and get it sold. The next night and it's look, if I don't sell it in this 90 days, don't worry. I want to market it for the lifetime at my expense. And this is the other crazy thing. I'm now buying the leads for 10 cents. Then I'm selling it to my boss for a dollar in name. So I just made 90 cents off every name. So there was a point in time. Does any of these people ever say, God, you sound familiar? Yeah. Well, ultimately, listen, when you're a good salesperson, I could change, hello, I can do multiple personalities. I'm an actor. I'm an artist. That's why he used to tell me about it, you know. So, yeah,

unfortunately, or fortunately, I didn't come across that. Hold on. What's his name, though? He sounds like a really good guy. My buddy, Andrew Levinson, when people would say, I understand, what do you sell? He'd go, peace of mind. And what are you selling? Memories. Memories. Yeah. Well, I used to even get to a point where I say, look, well, I'm a lifesaver. They're like, what do you mean with that? Well, you know, statistically showing stress is the number one cause of death. Am I right? They're like, yeah.

Well, what does vacation do? Relief stress. I'm saving your life. Oh, my God. Hey, Dr. Bill can't sleep like a baby at night. Absolutely. Me too. I hear you.

I hear you. On a 26th floor with 20-foot ceiling windows. so yeah I did sleep well but ultimately you know everything comes with a price so I ended up doing that Yusuf told me no declined to me he didn't give you an counteroffer like I'll give you 30% oh yeah he did yeah yeah yeah yeah he did counteroffer it okay it was something like 30 and I just look that's better than 25 but I bring too much to the table because the truth was I could do this without him that's the real truth right I didn't want to go out and do it because like I would to do, but I could do it without him.

So I gave him an opportunity, hey, let's still make money together. Were you already planning on going out? Well, that was the whole thing. Like, if you don't, I'm going to go do this myself. I actually did say that to him. Right. And believe it or not, I gave him two weeks. So I finished off my two weeks.

Okay. And he gave me his blessing. He actually helped me get my little operation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like I said, I never went apart, whether relationships with a female or business, I always want to part good terms. Like, I mean, it's, it's, let's be, you know, let's leave on good terms. You know what I mean? Sometimes this doesn't work. It is what it is. But, you know, if you're able to do that, absolutely. So when we left, I went and I took a little time off, you know, to regroup. And at the time, I still selling lead. I had a little reputation of being able to provide leads. I was making like 10 to 12 grand a month, just selling leads, not doing anything, buying these leads here, bringing them there, right? So I had a little reputation for having good leads. Anything and everything I want to do. I want to be like a brand. I want to be like a brand. I want to be. I want to be like a brand. I want.

want to be the best, would have the best, you know what I mean? Like where I'm conceded, but like I want to represent the best. To have the best, be the best, whatever, you know what I mean? Like any real reputable company or brand or anybody, you know, that's how you want to be recognized. So they all knew that I had good lead. So I was making a good living off of doing that. I could have just done that because I would have been out of the limelight, still making. But the way my brain works is how can I make more money a lot faster, a lot easier,

but less work. So I ultimately opened up an office. And what I had to do at that time, I had to secure a merchant. Now, I didn't have the ability to get a merchant. What does that mean? A merchant account? Yeah, so a merchant, like, people may not know this, but credit cards such as Visa, Massacre, Discover, they're all processed through merchants.

They're called merchant account, small business account, small business merchant account, high risk. There's different levels, okay? The industry that I was going into the timeshare, telemarketing, or just telemarketing, period. Those are because they're at high-risk merchants. Yeah, yeah. They get a lot of, what do they call? Chargebacks. Yeah.

And a typical merchant, you get like 1% or 2% chargebacks, they're going to shut you down, lock your money up. Right. Now, this high-risk merchant will let you operate sometimes up to 12 to 17, sometimes a little higher. So it just so happened, the individual... 12% chargeback. Okay. Correct. So let people know.

know, what happens is you're processing people's credit card. Somebody's buying, they're paying whatever, $1,000 for the service. Would you say $1,300? 1350. Yeah. They're paying $1.50. But what happens is maybe a week later, they suddenly go, you know what? I don't want this. I don't want this. Or they talk to some friend or they talk to their wife. And their wife says, no, that's a scam. All they're going to do is stick it on a website. We can do that ourselves. Oh, okay. And then what they do is they call their visa and they say listen i didn't do this or they say i changed my i got scammed i got scammed i don't want they shouldn't have processed my credit card and so a charge back is when visa then goes to the merchant takes it back give me so 13 our client said he didn't

do this or doesn't want to pay this and they pull the 13 150 back but the problem is is that's you know that's a real problem so sometimes they hold the money for 60 to 90 days, and they also charge a fee. Correct. And you're saying there's a certain percentage that they'll allow it to happen before they shut your account down. Correct. The merchant that I actually got associated with was a guy who's been in the industry for many years. Okay.

He ultimately had, let's say a childhood friend. I don't know the real relationship, but they were very close. These companies will make and break you. Absolutely. Like, look, at that point of time, like having a merchant, especially the one I had, is like having the golden ticket with Willy Wonka. Right. Like, you're, you're that guy.

So, I ended up meeting this gentleman. He gave me access to processing through his merchant. Now, he had a childhood friend. I don't know, again, like the relationship they had, but this particular guy was on the board of one of those merchant. Like, there's like two or three at that time. I don't know where it is now. New tech, first data.

I'm not sure the exact name, but one of these real large. merchant processors he goes on the damn board and he basically gets kickbacks millions okay in order to keep your account going which means like you can run a freaking 75% we were running a 50% ultimately which I'll explain a 50% chargeback ratio you know and your person never got shut down now mind you you will take X amount of funds every transaction or every drop and it goes into like a fund that would basically basically, if you end up leaving, that money is going to be applied for any chargebacks

after you left. Right. So they had a little safety net, so on and so forth. Do they hold them, and they hold those funds for so long? Yes, they have, depending on the situation, typically 90 days up to six months. So it could be a year, depending. I've known some guys that, like, as your chargeback percentage goes down, they'll reduce the 90, they'll drop to 60, and then it'll be 30.

Correct. Yeah. So they'd hold it less and less. because you've been in business three years. Shown and improve. Your 3% chargebacks, like you're good. Like that's way below average or something. Correct.

I don't know what the average is, but. But based on that, so I end up getting this access to that particular merchant. So once I secured that, I was like, hey, I'm in the game now. Now, what they did for me is out of 100% I got paid 67% of whatever I processed through that. So that would be 27, whatever, 67 minus 100, was that 20, 23 or 20, they kept 33. Okay. 33. They keep 33 percent.

I keep 67. So that would go to them. Now, the gentleman who gave me access to that account, he kept out of that 33, probably, let's say 12, and the rest went to the merchant. That particular merchant will allow me to process deals. I keep 67%. So I said to myself, wow. I've been doing this on the phones, getting paid 25%.

Let's just say, I just want to stay in my home and just do this myself. Right. I can make 67% of every deal I make. So out of $1,000, I make a $650 versus $250. So I was like, damn, even if I do this by myself, don't have to have an office. I'll make a killing. Right. I had the leads.

I provided the lease, so on and so forth. So I was like, there's no way this is not going to work. Not on that, I started to use creative visualization. and envisioning the process of how, I was like, man, every scenario, I see, I'm winning. This is, there's no way it can't win. So I started very humble, you know, I went and opened up an office. I was like an old motel room. It's now a business center, so it wasn't like a hotel, but it's a business center.

And I went and got a little desk from office max. You know, I was very humble, you know. I had four on this side, four on this side, four on this side, three other side. that I had a computer workstation when a fax and scanner and things like that, whatever. So now I had to make this thing work.

So at the time, I hired my girlfriend and I had one other gentleman, one other guy who was kind of with me through a process, and then I called one of my buddies. He was one of my managers when I had to work in telemarketing. And I'm like, hey, look,

I just got this, my own company. I can pay you this much I know you're going to make it and he's, oh, I've actually been having some experience in time for resale. I've got, I'm in between jobs. I'll come work. I was like, perfect. So here we are. I got my leads. I got my merchant. Let's go to work.

So we went and opened up. Mind you, my girlfriend was customer service as well as a sales rep. Okay. So the very first week, very first week, we did. $8,000. Out of the $8,000, 67%, obviously, I keep, that's what we processed. 67% is mine. Then I obviously had to pay my reps. I was very generous. I started everyone out 25 to 30 if you hit a certain number. So the rest is mine, but majority of that 8,000,

I wrote myself. Are they subject to the callbacks? Yes. If their customers, charge, I'm sorry, Like, two weeks later, they get a chargeback, you're taking it. I'm taking it out of your check. Yeah, if you're working for my office, you know, let's say a month later, you get a charge back. Yeah, I got to take that. I mean. Because some of these guys will say anything if they're, if they're not suspect. Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. If they're not held an account of all or had the page of charge back. I'm saying suspect. If they're not subject, if they weren't, if they weren't subject to the charge back. And be responsible for it. They would say anything. Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. I think anybody would, you know. Yeah. So we actually developed a little system of that. actually help prevent chargebacks. So what it was, we won live tape verification, a third party. Then you come through me, it was another company, okay? Time dated, stamped, as well as signed contracts. I think that was a majority of the main things. And what we did is when they tried to

dispute that with a credit card company, we're like, hey, hello, they're on recording. And you ask specific questions to ensure that they cannot say I didn't know no yeah I didn't yeah so you make it real clear not a requirement and they got assigned contract like how they're going to you dispute the charge back and majority time you're winning yeah now what ultimately happened I was making good money doing that you know honest hey look selling advertising marketing now you might just stretch things a little but you stayed legal you know what I mean right I think every salesman guys goes that gray area a little you know they have a saying in timeshare no heat no eat right you got to put food on a table you know so i ultimately the way my brain works sometimes they're like why the hell

do i think this way but you know it can be a gift and a curse because like i said i'm a i think outside the box you know so one day i'm sitting at home on a sunday afternoon and it just popped in my head like and i started getting on the laptop and i started writing I wrote this thing called the heat. Because, like I said, no heat, no heat. And ultimately, what happened was in anything I was doing at the time, but I literally was like,

I created a script of pure heat that's like straight fraud. Now, also, I didn't know that was happening. Like, you know, I just saw and found a way, oh, you could make a lot more money, a lot more easier. But, yeah. So what we were basically doing, I took a process that would take sometimes days to doing a three-call close.

Right. Like, three calls, I'm closing you. I'm getting your credit card today. Same kind of concept. Time share. Hey, so what did you want to talk about? Well, I want to tell you about Wagovi. Wagovi? Yeah, Wagovi. What about it? On second thought, I might not be the right person to tell you.

Oh, you're not? No, just ask your doctor. About Wagovi. Yeah, ask for it by name. Okay. So, why did you bring me to the circus? Oh, I'm really into lion tamers. You know, with the chair and everything.

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So what I did, first call, introduction. And you kind of warm up. And basically what we're doing is, hey, John Mary. And again, I already know, got the information right in front of me, you know. You don't always like, hey, John, Mary, see that you guys are trying to sell your timeshare. I know you have a Westgate, two bad out and two baths. I see you have it listed for $13,000. I'm like, yeah.

I always say, well, look, I might have a buyer for it. If so, would you be interested in selling it? Yeah, I'll say, look, hold one second. There is no buyer, by the way. There's no buyer. I've not seen one in my whole entire life. Honestly, but I always have a buyer, which is crazy. So I'm going to contact them real quick.

You did say might. I might have a bite. I might. You never know, because, like I said, somebody could call in. You never know. Well, it could happen. Yeah, I mean, anything could happen. So I say, I'll call you.

back if they're still interested. So I play for a couple of seconds. I do a first intro to another lead. By the time done with that, I call this the first one back. Hey, listen, just got on the phone with Steve. Believe it or not, he's willing to pay 13-7. Would you accept? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'll say, look, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Okay, so first thing, first, I got to see if I can get you approved financing. I'll get Steve approved financing. Now, again, I don't know how long this may take because a lot of people could take it up to an hour or so on and so forth. But what we'll do is we'll get them

approve of financing. I'm going to have a financing documentation. I'm going to lock them into the deal from the purchase of your unit. So this is locked in. Now, typically, like I said, I don't normally do this. I usually do it backwards, but I'm going to do this.

Now, this process could take about 45 minutes depending on how long it takes to go through financing. Okay. So when I called back with them locked into the financing, we're going to need you to proceed with the payment. Like I said, And I'm not going to go through all this. So you basically lock them in.

So third call is getting that credit card. So obviously I'll work on a second deal and a third deal, and then I'll go all the way back to the front. Now I'm on a third call for the very first person I called. Hey, John, congratulations. You've just sold your property. Steve got approved for financing. You know what I mean? So you go through the process.

And we're locked in. Now, keep in mind, this is where you. you got to kind of where the thing kind of keeps them because of the merchants actually want to hold them out for 90 days. Remember the chargeback situation? So I say to John, hey John, look, now closing is going to take about 90 days. Right. You know what I mean? But during those 90 days, we're going to be documentation, I'm going to send you a new signback, so on and so forth. So you prepare them. Like, hey, look, so look, you're not going to get your check for that 90 days. So they're not going to expect it in one week, two week. You know what I mean? You're preparing them because in addition to create the heat script, I also had to create a customer service script that went along with that. So you can keep the money. That's the whole objective, not to just make it and have to pay it back. Right. So I had to come up with a customer service script that coincided with the heat script.

And with the two, it's literally, as I explained to you, it transformed the whole thing. So I tell him, hey, John, look, you're not going to be able to, props not going to close for another 90 days. But during that 90 days, I'm going to give you updates and let you know exactly how everything's going. That's why you can have other documentation, what you're going to need to sign. We need those notarized. I mean, you make him feel important, like doing these little things. Like, I don't know if it's notarized.

I'm not showing it to anybody, actually. But he feels important by getting it notarized. So it makes it. He's got more invested in it. Yeah. The more he invests than it. More he does. Absolutely.

Absolutely. So now I got to get the credit card. So which credit card? I just, which credit card you want to put that on? I'm not going to ask him. Do you want to know, which credit card? Yeah, you're soon a sale. Absolutely.

And he gives you the car car, and right all the information. Now, this is the key. Does Steve not get financed? No, this is the key. So remember that third party verification thing? So I still got to get them through that. Yeah.

So look, John, I'm just going to be up front with you. Normally, what we will do is we will advertise this property. Okay, you'd have to pay me $13.50 up front. I'm going to put it on my website. I'm going to go to a presentation, trying to sell it. Yeah. But honestly, that just takes too much time. So what I do, I work on them backwards.

I find the buyer first, get them approved for the financing, get them locked in. And then I ask you for your money, for the pay for listing. But my company rather than you do it differently. Take your money up front, list it, and find a buyer. But what does that do? This makes you weigh. So look, I do it backwards. So I'm going to have to have you go through a tape verification.

What I need you to do is that they're going to ask you specific questions. One, or you promised a buyer, I'm going to need you to tell them no. you straight up tell them and the reason why is because if I don't then this sale is not going to go in place because otherwise we have to do it the other way but like I said you want to get paid right you want to sell this is how we do it

so they follow your you could tell them whatever I was thinking I was thinking you could always say listen I already have the buyer typically we list your stuff first the problem is we didn't do that I skipped it my manager's irritated he's like okay

well this guy's supposed to pay us 1350 you're just handing them off onto a buyer. You got to have, we have to put it on the website. That's how, that's our process. Correct. Call the guy up, have him go through the process, list it, go ahead with the sale. And then once he did all that, then then so many days later, when he's expecting the sale, I'd be like, fucking not, you can't believe this.

This guy, this guy did not get financed. No, he, he changed jobs. Yeah, I'm trying to work with the loan officer. He, I just, I just can't, I don't know who changes jobs just before sale. But anyway, that's what he did. they called his job he didn't work there anymore he got a new job they're gonna have to call that give me another give me in a couple more weeks just drag it out before you just calls hey look you hold careful in a donkey right and then it's too late for him to even go and and try and dispute

dispute it's way past that time yeah don't like that you still got them on tape verification yeah agreeing so all of which is is wrong and I feel bad about I feel bad I do we do even thinking along these lines it makes me feel horrible horrible I want to cry I know so so We did this. This comment section is going to be horrible, bro. They're just going to tear us apart. No, no, no, no. I didn't hit him.

I didn't hold, though. Look, you shouldn't have brought him. He's not helping you at all. He's getting away too much gas. He's saying. Because a lot of the people were older, you were good at it. He just made a whole new script right. Remember the guy we had?

I mean, if we're doing it, I didn't do it. And they did the game show. Oh, yeah. Oh, we had a guy who literally after he got out of prison, right? He went to prison. He did something kind of similar, right? Yeah, after he got out of prison, he got contacted by Inside Edition. Inside Edition.

But they weren't saying they were Inside Edition. Yeah, they said it was a game show, and they like fly him in, bring him on a game show, and they do a whole thing. And he realizes once he's on the game show, that he's there because he ripped off a bunch of people. Oh, no shit. And they have several of his victims, like, in the crap. They're like, old little ladies. And they're like, where's my face.

Oh, my gosh. That's crazy. He stood up, bolted. Wow. And they're chasing. I would love to see that. Well, that's why, look, I had, I mean, I had multiple. Chris Jackson.

I mean, I could say this now because the Fed's posted it on their fraud site. I have Chris Jackson and Steve Williams. I had so many different names. It's so funny. I had a buddy who did. Do you know what? Do you know what? Well, no, business opportunity scams are, or business opportunity?

It's kind of the same. You're selling a business. Okay. And it's typically, it's like a vending machine business where you buy three vending machines, or let's say you buy five vending machines for $50,000 and you have to place them. But it's up to you to place them somewhere. And so you place them and he, he could convince you, you're going to make so much money. And they never make that kind of money. But what's so funny is this guy when I first met him, he would tell me, you know, he went to trial.

He's not guilty. He's this, he that. And then as, you know, as you spend time with someone through your, your term of imprisonment. Yeah. He, you know, the little things start to come out. It started to trickle out. Right. And I remember at one point, he was like, you know, and the guy, you know, the guy said, you know, Mr. Kennedy, I don't understand.

I was like, the guy's last name is Levinson. And I went, Kennedy, he's like, what, yeah, I would use a, I used the name Andrew Kennedy. So, and I'm like, that doesn't sound legit. Your whole, I was a legit business man. I've been framed. Oh, sure. Listen, every, listen, everybody was innocent. Yeah.

During my state, every, I mean, at least 98% of them. going to say everybody like there are some innocent ones i'm not going to say you're not but everybody i didn't know i was innocent absolutely well those love the owners who are like you know i didn't know what these people were saying on the phone oh for sure i didn't yeah i did but then they all got on the and then can you believe it four of these guys got on the stand and said that i'm the one that told them and then they're like yeah i know but the scripts that you wrote said i didn't write that script like listen that's actually a real life situation with my co-defendant His cousin actually legitimately did that to him

I hear you I have no idea what they were doing You know absolutely not Like but yes That's a real deal Situation So now We went from

With the heat script From doing I had at that point in time My office I had one office Like I said it was a humble Little office Four or five people in there

I started to Overnight We're like making boatloads We're from doing like 8 to 10 grand a week to doing 35, 40 a week. And now it's like, I'm calling my friends. And I'm like, hey, look, what are you doing for work right now? Quit your job. Come over here.

And I'm going to literally make you life-changing money. Not the kind of money that's, oh, I'll buy some new shoes, look, this. No, I'm going to change your life. I'm going to have you the keys to the kingdom. So now I got individuals with well-paying jobs. They're quitting. Well, first they come over to test it. Yeah, yeah.

You know? And they see it. And they only have to talk to one or two people working there to be like, okay, yeah. Overnight. You see at that time, again, we're in an inexpensive office location, you know. We had to move. I ultimately had to move one to expand. And I ended up getting a location.

My first office was in a brand new building. And I had the whole upstairs part of it, third floor. wood grain marble i mean it was decked out to the teeth we were the very first tenants in it my office obviously the corner office where it's actually one way in one way out so i can see everybody coming in and we're coming out and we're the only individuals at that time in the the building and as you can see everyone's got mercedes dodge vipers i mean it is tricked out it's like a car show just in the parking lot so again coming in there for new potential individuals say that want to, hey, I want to hire you, you know, you want to come work with.

You're going to see, like, everybody here, and I want you to have the nice cars. I want you to have the Rolex, the brightlings. I want you to wear those, because, like, in sales, especially on phone sales, if you look good, you're going to feel good. If you feel good, you're going to sound good. If you sound good, you're going to make me money. Now, not just me, because it's not about me. I am only successful if you're successful.

You ain't making money. I ain't making money. So I'm going to provide you with all the tools, all the resources, everything that I'm capable of doing to improve your chances of being successful. And I understood the dynamics, the psychology, the whole energy of sales and that stuff. So I would also employ good-looking females. Now, not like strippers or anything like that. I mean, just good-looking people. Because as the males, all is alphas, every salesman, it's all about ego, you know.

So I did that strategically because I want them to show off, you know, get that deal. And the more you get that deal and, you know, the more she, like, you know, so it's just a whole cycle of energy, you know. Plus it makes those guys want to come to work too. Absolutely. Everyone wants to come to work. They're all good looking. They're flirting. There's lots of, you know, and there's money to make everybody's happy.

Now, it is unfortunate in this industry doing that kind of pitch. it takes a certain individual. I would say about 60% of the individuals that worked in my office partied. And I say that in the aspect of weekend warriors, you know, and I'll be honest man, I didn't care what the hell you did. I really didn't.

As long as you come here and go to work and make that money, like, whatever you're doing, your free time, that was your time. But between this hour and this hour, you know, you're not mine, but you're here to do a job. Right. So ultimately, we,

literally transformed and went from 30 to 40 to do 100 plus $1,000 weeks. And I'm not even like lying or exaggerating. It got to a point where I like, I was making literally $120, $130,000 every freaking week. I started to get so much money that like, and trust me honestly, it's like I try to spend it all. Yeah, you can buy big, big ticket shit. You know what I mean? Stuff like that. But like, you know, everyday things like it's really hard to, difficult to spend every week.

that every week and this went on for how many people are working for you at this time okay so yeah ultimately at that time it grew from i had five we went to 25 and then i also expanded it i had like three offices now there were levels to the office now everybody wanted to work at the main office that's where i provided the best leaves that's where the best closures the best environment then you had another office which is kind of mediocre then had my farming office and these are like the people that want to be there but they just don't have the ability but they're so I put them there let them train and so on and so forth they're making my I don't give my best leads because leads became very valuable you know and you don't want someone burning a lead you know are they burning a league where it could

be a deal so I had three offices at a time ultimately I literally at one point in time I had about 140 employees 130 employees 40 people per office I had secretaries I have had assistants I had a CPA working directly. I even had an attorney at the office. And he basically, because this is what happened, you got a sales rep, you know, they get paid Friday. They go fuck off on Friday night.

Next day, no, something I have a snowballed. Next day, they're in a jail Sunday. I need you back. When you're a forward thinker, you don't just bring your A game. You bring your AI game. Workday is the AI platform that transforms the way you manage your people, money, and agents,

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you know and like i need you on those fucking phones you know what i mean so you know good to me sitting in jail for you or me so you know i would ensure that that would happen to make sure that they're back in the office they love me for it you know because like i was looking out for their best interests as well as mine obviously is there ever a point where like the authorities come in you start because you're regulated by who yes so this is where it actually gets when you start to get that big and i have a question real quick at this point are you aware that it's fraudulent or are you like ah this is kind of sketchy you know like absolutely absolutely at this point in time we have grown so fast and we're making so much money i would be lying if i said Oh, I didn't really know. I knew exactly what was going on. But the thing is, you're so many arm lengths away from it. You know, again...

You feel like you have deniability? Not just denying it. It's like, I don't really deal with the people complaining. So it's just like, I'm just so many different ways away. So it doesn't really hurt because honestly, I got to, I do have a soul. And I do feel I'm not like a malicious, like, scumbag. You know what I'm saying? I mean, like...

It doesn't sound like it at all. No, no, no. Great guy. I'm just my daughter It's a great girl You know I'm a great guy Yeah that sounds like a salesman

I'm trying to convince He's a great guy No but like You're kind of like I'm just so many Guess levels away From the direct contact With the client

Right It just starts to not really feel as bad If you're directly I say customer service Hearing these people Complaint Oh I didn't beat it You know

So it's just one of those things That you just You're so far away If you don't really hear The direct complaints Yeah You know And the fucking money was good

You know what I mean? So I was able to bend some of my moral values in regards to the lifestyle I was living. And not only that, like, I improved and employed people who are making now $200,000, $200,000 a year. I'm going to give you an example. Like, I would do my training class, okay, and I didn't train people. I would come in to make my presence known, you know, like. And I would literally go in there, and at one point in time, we were, like, I purchased. Lamborghini, $100,000 on Mercedes.

I lived in the View, a 26th floor on that one. I had a two-bedroom. I mean, I was buying things handover. But, so I would have come in there, you know, slide the keys on the table while everyone was in there. And everyone looks at it's Lamborghini Key, Mercedes, Mercedes. What, a different car, different time, you know, different trade class. Boil Room. Boil Room.

The Boil Room. Yeah, yeah. I literally learned that from Bedafin and Boil Room. Literally. You ever see that movie? Hey. He slides his fucking. Giovanni Risby's in it.

Yeah, he slides his Ferrari or so. That's a fuck of it. My, how do you know, how do you know I know what I'm fucking doing? Boom. Those are my Ferrari. Absolutely. Listen, I learned it just from that. And I did that same exact thing, literally.

And I said, if you're not here to fucking buy, you're in the wrong fucking place. Right. We're here to make money. And that's it. Every chair is required to produce this amount. Right. You know, I don't care if you did it. First days.

I don't even fuck. In the week, I need to add up like that. It's just what it is. You know? That's the bottom line. That's where I'm in this to make money. You're in this to make money. It's not act like we're a fucking.

selling Girl Scout cookies. Right. So it got to a level, we're making so much noise. I mean, you're making money. Now, mind you, the telemarketing industry, I believe the state of Florida in total was regulated by the Department of Agriculture.

I always think that's funny. Which is the weirdest shit, right? Yeah, yeah. Department of Agriculture regulates telemarketing. Like, what the fuck? But yes. So it got to a point where they really got wind of the shit.

Like, you know, you're now doing so much business and a lot of it's bad business. So these people are starting to complain. So they're now getting all these complaints. At first, they're kind of like, whatever. But now they're getting so much. They can't fucking ignore the shit. They got to like, okay, hold on.

What's going on actually going on? They're in Tallahassee, mind you. Yeah. What the hell's going on in Orlando or all these people are, you know what I mean? So my very first visit, I'm not even sure if I can tell the, inspector's name, but let's just call her Sasha.

Okay. For some reason, everyone in the industry knew Sasha. Okay. Everybody, and it's a small circle with us in the timeshare resale industry. So everyone knew Sasha. So we got when, hey, Sasha's in town. The AGs are in town.

So I literally would tell everybody a lot, hey, listen. We're close for today. Go home. Fuck it. We're not at the office. It'll show up to the office. And ain't nobody there. That happened a couple of times. like cat and mouse shit.

They're getting these complaints, but there's no office, nobody here. It's empty. So ultimately one time I got approached by them. They caught us at the office, somehow they slipped through the cracks. They did their job a little better.

So I ended up getting fined for the very first offense. And believe it or not, it's called operating. And now, because they couldn't technically see that I was doing fraud because they're in their eyes, If you have everything done, such as all their reps are employed, your business license are hung, everything's up to code and regulations, they can't go any further than that,

unless they have probable cause to go further, they can't. So if you're up to code, that's it. Aren't the complaints probable cause? Well, that's probably cause to get them to the office. Okay. So that's why they're there. Now, to go any further, like technically, if you're doing something usually illegal in their eyes. Okay. So they have to get there and find out you don't have your license or find out you aren't signing these.

You aren't disclosing correctly. So now we're going to take it. We can now go in and do this. Correct. So. But you always stopped them at that point. But ultimately it happened. She came the first time. I had everyone licensed by like two people. I didn't really realize how severe it was because it ain't shit. Some of these people come. Some would go. So I didn't think another way. But I didn't have it. So I ultimately got fined. It was like $30,000. Drop in a bucket. Bye. Goodbye, Sasha. Leave me alone. So now I understood the importance of licensing your reps, having things displayed, business license here, script here. I seen and understood the importance of it. So everything, every time somebody came in, I gave them a license immediately. You know, I don't care if you're a fucking janitor. You need a license, you know, because anything further than that,

you now can be subjected to and more investigate, you know, just whatever the case was. Now, at this point in time, you know, I'm making so much money. And I'm talking about, please understand, I'm a very humble guy. I'm not boosting. I'm bragging. I'm just really like that. I know. I'm literally flying private jets.

Mine is actually cheaper than I actually realize, you know. I would, my operation was running, you know, and I got to tell you had a great staff. Like, I got to give my staff credit. I had great management, great assistant. Customer service was phenomenal. You know. So I didn't have to be there every day. And mind you, the more money I make, you know, the more freedom I had to do whatever guilty pleasure I had. So, you know, I would bounce out and I would go for a couple of days, vacationing here, partying here. So it would get to a point ultimately that, you know, you're in the office, office gossip. So I remember at one point in time, I remember my name was talked about in the office. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, I took everybody out the phone.

Like, listen, I took everybody got the phone, everybody else. I said, listen, I don't pay you to worry about what the fuck Gunner's doing. I pay you to from this time to this time to make money. I say, the only thing you need to worry about is who write the fucking check. Your checks cash every week,

am I right? So don't worry about what Gunner's doing. I said, you have an opportunity to make more money than doctors, lawyers, attorneys, or, I mean, whatever. are making, they got to go to school for eight to 10 years. And literally, they don't have as much stress. They have way more stress than you.

You come in from this time and leave at 7 o'clock at night. You're making $200,000 a year. You know what I mean? Like, fucking don't worry about what I'm doing with my money. You know what I mean? Just go to work, do your job. You know, and it would get to that point. And I would have to, like, whip everyone back in check.

Like, hey, get focused. At what point does an actual criminal investigation? It started. Got you. And when do you figure that out? At this point in time, I worked for this individual, and the way this thing works is it's literally like a Ponzi scheme. You know, you've got to keep writing to deal with the chargebacks, because ultimately these merchants got a little hip as well as these credit card companies, so these chargebacks started to hit.

It got to a point where we started to have more chargebacks than business rent, and I was paying payroll out of my pocket. Now, I generally care about everybody that works for me. I really do. And that's why I had loyal employees, because that industry got to a point. It was so shady. It was literally like the Wild Wild West. So I was paying so much out of my pocket, and I did this for three weeks. Then I got to a point, I was like, shit, this is not sustainable.

I'm not going to keep, like, I mean, I made this money. I'm not going to give my money back. So I left. I was like, hey, look, I made enough money. I could live for three years and not do anything, travel. I got enough in my bank, everything. Do you realize it has an investigation started? Or this is just a chargeback?

Well, this is ready to bolt. This, it was just the chargebacks. But now this industry has gained traction. Right. I share with people, people, it's like the gold rush of Central Florida. Fucking, these guys are making millions of dollars now. Right. I want to get into that, you know.

And they realize how literally easy it is to do. It's cookie cutter. My script or my pitch And again, I'm not sitting here telling you Oh, I'm the owner of it But I legitimately created this Different versions started to spread The same concept

Promising a buyer There were multiple I want to say multiple people Making millions of dollars And I'm talking millions of dollars It was kind of fucked up Because like I just One weekend after Friday

I went in there I paid a company They cleaned all the office house I took everything I put it all in store my employees came to work on Monday and it wasn't shit in there doors are locked everything I wasn't answering my phone fucking like I like I didn't even want to deal with it like an ostrich stuck his head in the sand like fucking this and I lived in a high rise that had security like I lived in a building that JJ Reddick lived in he was my neighbor fucking like basketball NBA players live my building I mean that like you had to have you're not walking in there yeah yeah you cannot get through there without going through security so I just camped out in my my condo for the first week and mind you this is around Christmas time so again my cost of living I was still living like I'm making

spending money doing I mean I'm and then by January middle of January I'm like holy shit you know what I mean like this is not three years you know what I thought I enough money to live. That's definitely not three years worth of living like this. I get a random phone call from this individual, Rich Mendez, and he says, Hey, Gunner, you want to open up an office again? I heard you this and that stuff. I got a merchant. And I'm thinking like, fuck, you know, it's crazy. Like, yeah, I was just thinking like, I need to get back, you know, making some money. I said, yeah, I can definitely do that. He says to me, all right, all right. Can you do $100,000 weeks?

I said, give me 60 days. I did $100,000 weeks. He was, all right, bet. Let me know that I meet up with me. So I met up with them. Within a week's time, I had an office outfitted with 35, 40 people, everything running and gunning. We're moving and grooving. Now, I understand that this industry needs licenses for your employees.

Now, I'm going to say this truth. This cocksucker. I kept telling, hey, I need a licensing. No, no, I got you. Just spinning me, spinning me. And look, game recognizes game. And people already, look, there is always going to be people envious, jealous, whatever the case is. And it's like, look, I'm not doing anything you can't do, you know.

Don't hate me. Do it yourself, you know. I get up in the morning, I work, and I don't stop to, you know, I achieve what it is I plan to do. So at this point of time, in Orlando, it was literally well known. I was known and the reputation of what it is I was doing was out and about, you know. I had at a point in time an orange Lamborghini and it was Gallardo. And I remember one morning I had an employee that worked for me and for some reason decided to steal my checks. for my little checkbook.

So, actually, this is what happened. It was a Friday. Everyone gets paid. I purchased the car the day before. And mind you, when I went to go buy the car, I pulled up to the, it was in Orlando, 5-4, the Ferrari dealership that sold the Lamborgating.

And it wasn't like a tricked-out V-10 type one. It was a basic one. You know, 120, $130,000. Oh, 106,000, 106. So I go into the dealership, and I remember approaching the salesman. And this is one of the things I always say, don't never judge a book by his cover.

No prejudging in sales because you never know who's going to buy. Right. So I walk into the dealership and I go ask you the guy and the guy like snub me. That's a $100,000 a car. I'm like, what? Like literally treating me like I was like, okay. So my girl, I called in the phone. Hey, pull out of it.

It's because I needed my so-and-so of our cash. So she pulls up in the front. I go to the car. And he sees the car. I drove there and it was a CLS-63. and it was had like 10 12 miles on 12,000 miles when I bought it so brand new you know he understood he's a car dealer you know what is that I see a Mercedes Benz Cs 63 at that time it was a hundred thousand dollar Mercedes Benz and it had the souped up v10 engine whatever twin turbo but she he sees

the car that I go and get that oh you're driving that car yeah now he was to help me yeah and I literally found the guy doing after look you know and I bought the car cashed out boom boom boom drove off. At this time, I happened to have a ankle monitor, which is a whole other store. I just was a little dispute with my girlfriend, and I got in trouble with it. They ended up dropping it. But I remember purchasing the car on Friday. Friday night, I had to be in the house at seven. I let her take it out. I call my friend, hey, look, I just saw my girlfriend's going to come there. I just bought a Lamborghini. Go, yeah, we'll park it in the front. It looks really good. He owned the club, whatever. So the next morning, I'm allowed to leave the house at seven to seven in the evening.

So I go jump in my Lamborghini First day driving on the highway And I get a phone call I'm on the I4 No, I'm on the turnpike Gunning it because I wanted to stretch it And I get a phone call from the bank Bank of America says hey

Yeah you got an employee here trying to cash a check And the name doesn't really Recognize So you had your signature file Now I was thinking like shit I remember rushing because I wanted to go by the car So I said yeah yeah So I said how much is it for

She goes, it was 7,500. Okay, it checks. It's an average check. Yeah, okay, she goes, what was the name? And she said, I'm not going to say the person's name. Yeah. It was the person's name. I'm like, hold on.

What? That's a secretary. They don't make, I say, hold, I'll be right there. So I fly over there. And mind you, that person fled the scene. I get out the car as a police officer. And he says to me, like, Dean, look at that car you job. I need to come.

work for you. I'm like, shit, no, you don't. Hell, no, you don't. But yeah, I'm in sales. He's okay. So I go inside and I see, he's trying to cash three of them. Like, not just one, but three. Mind you, this individual, this is how like good of a guy I was. She couldn't do the job. So, hey, look, you know, I need to find a different position. She says, no. I was like, well, it's my company. You should go to this position or you just wait? You know what I'm saying? She goes, no, no, try to tell me. I said, well, look, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to pay you for the rest of the

the month you know your salary i'm giving you the rest of the matter of fact and then i knew her kid had a birthday so i gave her money for the birthday i took care of these you are they was like my extended family so on and so forth so i called her up like yo why would you do that like if you needed money you know i would have gave it to you and she starts selling me out oh you're just stealing from people and you just want to do this to buy your girl a new purse i was like what the fuck like what does this got to do with anything like you knew what we were doing yeah so ultimately she's selling me on i'm like like, you know, Dee, stop it. So I was like, you know, and this was the worst, this is actually

the catalyst that started my downfall, I guess you could say, or the investigation. So I tell her, okay, and I hang up. So they say, hey, do you want to prosecute? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, if she would have been a remorse, I would have, but she's selling me up. But that one thing, revenge on me for doing that. Now, I paid her bond before she went in. I just wanted her to sit her ass down for eight hours. You know what I understand? I'm the fucking bond. I'm the fucking bus. You know what I mean? But I let my ego get to me. You know what I mean? I should have just whatever. You know what I mean? Just let it go away. Your life is too

good. All right. It was going to do good. So I Prosecutor, just press charges. Not prosecuted. Press charges. That's the difference. Press charges paid the bondsmen before she got there. She went in there. She was released. But she fucking declared war on me, dude. literally contact the AG I'm talking

she had the inside scoop on everything so now they had a real file on me so I was now working for this gentleman Rich Mendez unbeknownst that I had this file or this

investigation going so I kept saying hey now we're a month into working and I'm producing less than 60 I'm doing 100,000 on we don't want 20s well I mean we're killing it I said hey look I need to get my employees license like what the fuck and he just keeps spinning me spinning me now what I would like I would always do is I just I'm very I'm always moving so the office that I was in I would just do laps around it just kind of get exercise just

walking on my phone handling business doing whatever it is I'm doing so So I kept telling this dude, I need to get license. I need a license. Sure enough, one day I'm walking around and fucking the squad runs in there. Like, mind you, these guys got guns. They're acting like we're damn terrorists or some shit. Like fucking telephones, you know what I mean? They had guns and all this shit.

I'm like, they're looking for me, but I'm walking around the building just doing laps. And I see all this shit going on. And I'm like, oh shit. And I go straight to my, now I had a very recognizable car, Mercedes. and I'm pretty sure they did their homework and, you know, we're watching before they came in. So I go immediately to my car. Matter of fact, they met me there.

I'm like, hey, look, I'm just getting my fucking attorney's card. So, you know, I was actually about to dip out. But they caught me at the car. They bring me upstairs and they go through all this and that stuff. And sure enough, like I said, my employees weren't licensed. So this was my second offense. And would you believe operating a telemarketing room

without a license is a felony? Yeah. What the fuck? I was like, what do you mean? Okay, look, misdemeanor? Yeah, great. I can get a felony?

So I was like, I got arrested. I mean, that's what I was getting arrested. So mind you, I wasn't handcuffs or anything, but they kept me in my office. So I ordered everybody pizza and whatever food I offered for everybody and all the officers and whatnot. And Mr. Mendez said his attorney over there,

and the motherfucker who acted like threw me under the bus like I did something wrong and I fucking... Are you telling me that this guy hired unlicensed telemarketers? We told him to get like yeah literally fucking threw and I was I don't know what are you doing?

Yeah they had to restrain me. I wanted to choke the shit out this motherfucker but I was like they didn't realize like what just happened like they literally set me up for a big of fall guy so I know I was going to jail so I called my bondsman

had it already set up so as soon as I hit there I popped a couple Xanax bars so that way I could sleep when I get there I go to jail post bond and then I realize now this individual not only

threw me in the bus I had like another 80 grand coming to do payroll didn't pay me that and basically kind of like just like cut me off as in like I was the cancer and you know

and again It's a shady game. Shady game. I knew what I was doing. I knew the kind of individuals working with. But yeah, that's what ended up happening.

So now I am legitimately, like, the face of Timeshire Resale in fucking Orlando. They got a full investigation going on me. I ended up getting those charges dropped. I went in front of the judge

with an attorney, and I'm like, hello, Your Honor, I went and got everyone licensed, just paid and got him license. So we brought it to the, they dropped it.

You know what I mean? She said it's just a clerical error, so on and so forth. So the charges got dropped. Okay. But the fucking floodgate of full-on investigation, you know, I got dubbed the Timeshare Resale King, which is a really bad name. But they're full-blown. Now they're on me.

But that wasn't going to stop me. You know, now I had to be incognito. I started getting offices like, like you would never suspect there's an office at. Right. All of a sudden these fly-ass cars are hanging out in front of this, like, a place that looks like it's a rundown. mean but it's tricked out on the inside for everybody and ultimately they're literally scouring orlando for me they end up somehow randomly popping up in one of my other offices now mind you i'm a little smarter now so i don't put nothing in my name i don't even work in

the office i'm an advisor you know it's under these people's names so on and so forth but they understand it's my show so it was literally like this catch me if you can type shit with this one lead investigator and this dude had a hard on for me bro and i did not get it like did i steal from your family or some shit like why you got so why are you still you're still you're continuing to open up yeah i was like that yeah yeah yeah right yeah i did kind of snub them but you know that was just kind of like you know you have a job i got a job you know yeah yeah that's how i felt like you you you chase me and i run like that's you know it's simple yeah exactly yeah i i commit for my job to meet you your job you're you're you're

jobs to beat me. It's just that simple. You know what I mean? Play your role, I'll play mine. So now, they actually caught up to me one time, and like I said, everybody was licensed. Turned out one person wasn't licensed, but it wasn't that they didn't apply for it, is that they got denied, and it wasn't informed to us. Right. So it was just a small fine. I obviously took care of it, so on and so forth. But now this dude is like, I would show up to Starbucks, and he's sitting there with his fucking cowboy hat on. And you're like, don't worry, going, I'm going to get you. Sorry, good luck, you know.

And it just came a cat and mouse type shit. Ultimately, it got to a point. This thing just took a whole life of his own. They're like, on me, like, white on rice. So I couldn't even be around an office. I would sub-lease offices and put it, you know, and just collect. I would make sure I collect the money. I'm like a 7-Eleven collecting tens of thousands of dollars for business done.

it just got to it just got insane like i don't even think anybody else had that kind of heat because of what it basically started with that one situation of having her go to jail so at this point of time i think is i don't know if it was FBI they did a simultaneous raid on not only my office Rich Mendez and another individual I'm going to leave his name out so now it's just and they have their operation

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start seeing the news differently today and it's a helicopter and they're zooming down on it you know and i get the phone call and i go you know this was not my particular office yet yeah but there i walk and i live downtown at there so i walked over to see it this is another name i'm gonna call him mark so mark's office was like one of the first ones to get hit so i go my hat to down and I walk over there and they're, you know, walking out with boxes full of stuff, right? Boom, boom, boom. And you got FBI in the jackets and you got SWAT team with their ARs full of tactical gear. And I'm like, bro, these guys are not playing.

Like, what the hell is going on? And then you watch the news because you want to kind of see what happened and it says, oh, they seize $2 million from this Bank of America and this, you know, all these damn accounts with millions of dollars. So now I'm like, oh, shit. Now my only money I'd say it's not safe. So I got to get this money out because, like, they're coming from me. me. I already know for a fact. Right. Now, you can't do all these large withdrawals without drawing a lot of attention as well. So I'm pulling 9,000 out. You know, I'm just pulling money out,

you know, just under 10 grand every time, you know. I think I had like a shoebox full of 500 grand era. And then, you know, at this point in time, that's like my run money. Like, because once they catch me, they're going to lock up the accounts and, you know, see shit. And I don't got no other way to pay your attorney because that's one of the ways they, ensure that they make sure that they win you know they they cripple you you know there's not a fair fight you know in any way shape of warm they got a damn 96% conviction rate and they don't play fair it is what it is 98 97 something like that yeah they don't play fair i mean anybody understand the federal government like i used to be okay mom i'm a patriot i love america but i grew up on

military basis but i always was naive like they're the good guys not say they're not but they will be bad guys to catch bad guys which is like hey look no you got to play about the rules we don't you know you know what I mean but life's not fair so ultimately the feds came

and they I remember I actually was sitting on my couch with my girlfriend I just smoked a bowl and I hear this noise and you know like being in a high rise you sometimes I don't know if the wind makes it

move it just you hear these just different odd noises sometimes I say did you hear that See that on? I was like, oh, maybe nothing. I heard it again. And as I started walking to the door, like, maybe I'm at the door. You know what I mean?

And as soon as I got to the door, FBI, make a big old commotion, and they surrounded the whole building. So it turned into them explaining, hey, your search warrant for this, that, your apartment, you know, mind you, they didn't search my car. They didn't have a search for my car. And that's where I had my cash.

Thank God. so and if anyone they've been to a search a federal search warrant they dog the shit I droughts they don't care about nothing like yeah they'll trash it

trash it I don't know if it's intentional or if they're like but they trash it to a point you don't feel traumatized like at the end when you got done so we're in handcuffs the whole time I'm literally thinking I'm going to jail

because I've never been through this process or handcuffed and they take anything with a hard drive any documents all kinds of weird shit money they took money cash they took just all kinds of random stuff in addition to they hit my office I had like a hundred some computers

just took everything and then at the end of it they said okay unhandcuffed me and leave I'm like well what the fuck what just happened here like you know what I'm saying like I couldn't even stay there I had to go check into a hotel for a week. It's like, I just didn't know

what the fuck just happened. Mind you, we go back, clean everything up. And nothing fucking happens. Like, I've nothing for months. I'm trying to get my shit back from OPD. That's what they said it was at. Mind you, it's too hot for Gunner to do anything in Orlando.

So I had a friend going to the Dominican Republic. Oh, no, he used to work for me. My friend worked for me. I can say his name. He's a little cowboy. but his name was Angel. Angel worked for me.

And for whatever reason, Angel went to the, he's Dominican, so he went back to DR. And he was out there in the Dominican Republic doing Timeshire, but just like on the phone by himself, not even using a merchant, just running it through Western Union and MoneyGram, keeping 100%. Right. So I was like, oh, shit, okay, that's, that's, you know, that sounds like something that could work. You know what I mean? And mind you, back then, Western Union, you didn't require.

They changed all the rules, not just because I'm sure other people were utilizing them for scamming, but this is way before Western Union had all these regulations and things you had to do to get your money. You literally just had to say, you could say, I think it was $2,500. And you say, hey, what's the password? Green. So you go to Western Union, you just have to know their name. John Smith sent me, and you don't have to show an ID. There's a password.

You say, password's green. They give it to you. Now it's all changed. But that's, we abused the fuck out that shit. Right. But that's how easy it was. Western Union and MoneyGram both were like that. And, you know, my friend was overdone.

So I flew her for two weeks. Upon arriving in the Dominican Republic, personally, I love the place. Like, it's like, an adult playground, you know. Like, if you have a little money, you can literally get away with anything. So not only the women are hot-blooded, beautiful, the cops and people are not at all.

all in your life and if you had a little money you can pay it and stay out your life but everything costs so inexpensive right so you could be there with a hundred thousand you're living like you had 10 million in the United States so I see the potential I actually had went ahead and outfitted in an office for 20 people and the 20 people that I hired I should have did a little backwards but I just assumed they were good they couldn't even freaking take a phone call so I was thinking to myself, it's like, damn, this sucks. I did all this money. These people didn't came to do it. But I'm not going to waste my trips. So I ended up just pumping out deals myself on the phone. And, you know, I'll pump out six, seven deals in a day, which comes out

sometimes $12,000, $13,000, because I was doing $25,500 deals. And I had so much money over there and so much power and so much influence. But I was only staying for two weeks. So I realized the potential of this place, so I hadn't come back to the United States. and I said to myself I need to do everything in my power to get back there as soon as possible so I end up saving up putting things away

organizing my structuring my life to now be not in Florida but in the Dominican Republic right so I ended up renting a villa mind you with a five bedroom villa nice had a jacuzzi two huge balconies you got maids that come and clean twice a week. I mean, fully furnished. I was paying like 300 bucks. I mean, it was huge. Gated

security. So I set up that as my home base, you know, and when I went there, I went ahead and designed one room just as my little workstation, and I would bring like three or four different people there. Mind you, the feds know exactly where I'm at, because you got a passport. I flew in over there. They know exactly where I'm at. So here I'm at now in the Dominican Republic. And I am working, doing, perpetuating my scheme over there. I thought out of the long arms of the law, little as I know, they will come get you anywhere if they want to come get you. I don't care. All these people think of these non-extraditable countries and stuff like that.

They've come to get shoes. Listen. That just means that country picks you up and gives it to you. That doesn't mean they'll show up themselves and come get you. Listen, the marshal, which I'm going to explain to a little, I said that to him. I said, I should have been like one of those, you said, do you believe that? I say, of course you. He goes, we will literally put a hood over your head, knock you out, and take you to the next

country, and we'll get you. There's no place that you will literally be able to say, we'll take you for, if we want you, we'll come get you. I knew a guy who owned one of those companies, one of those country, one of those military, a private military contractors. Contractors. Yeah. We'll go into another country, watch someone, grab them, throw in a van,

And drive them to the airport, stick them in, stick them in a plane, fly in the United States. As they're landing, call the DEA and say, you're looking for Akbar or so-and-so. Well, he's going to be at the airport. They'll send two agents over. They'll pull him out of the plane, pull the bag over his head, hand him to the guy. They'll go, thank you, and then kind of a check. Absolutely. There is no place.

He said, straight up, we'll get you anywhere in the world. There's no ex-not, you know what I mean? We will get you. Like I said, I'm in the Dominican Republic. And, I mean, like, my lifestyle, I was. living large in the United States. But like over there, I always live in large and in charge. You know, I would walk around with an entourage. And I wasn't even making a fraction of the money I was making in the United States. But the money went so far. I would have an entree. I would

have a driver. I would have a person that would buy me cigarettes. And like, they like literally supported their families off of that income. Right. And, you know, we think poor, like in the United States. Oh, this guy doesn't have this. Or he's a, yeah. No, I'm talking about dirt floors. Yeah. No electricity, like no running water. That's the kind of poverty that's like in those countries. They don't have government food stamps or a wick or things like that. They're like, if you don't do something.

That's it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Thankfully, I think you got a little better. So when you are able to not only improve the lifestyle or just like the well-living, people become very loyal to you, you know. Right. And I was in a kind of a smaller town and I got pretty well known over there. because I kind of was taking care of people.

I employed people and, you know, people's lives were better for it. So they kind of like protect their investment type thing, you know. I ultimately met a female, which ultimately I remember the first time I saw her. I was like, oh shit, I'm going to marry that woman. And sure enough, obviously ultimately, right out the way, we ended up getting married. So this whole story kind of turns and twist into something, you know, she ultimately was like an individual in her town. And there was like multiple childhood friends, you know.

Her childhood friends basically turned into, grew up, and they became like the kind of the Pablo Escobars of the little Dominican Republic. There were two brothers, Harmonis Lopez. And it's all documented as well, what they ultimately did. As I was living over there, still doing my crime and fraud. You know, I remember meeting him because he had got wind of. It's kind of like this. When two people are successful, you kind of have a commonality, you know, whether it's discipline, work, or whether it's success, whatever the case is.

So when I end up meeting him for the very first time, you know, meeting him immediately clicked, you know. I just like, I saw this guy's like, I was like, man, this guy's the nicest, coolest guy in the world, you know? And you don't even realize it, but the guy was actually a stone cold killer, like a legit killer. Like, and mind you, I had, at this time, like, I didn't even hear the whole stories, but just to give a little background, the guy and his brother, his brother was the enforcer. He was the head individual of his group or crew, and I didn't know how high up power they had, but ultimately, they even, they got arrested, they broke out of jail, you know, they killed a captain. It was like, they've got like, like, 12 bodies. And again, I'm not a violent guy. I've never, ever been involved in anything like that.

But the person that I met was just as, like, I mean, nicest guy in the world. Right. So, you know, I actually meet him. Ultimately, meet him at one of my villa. He and I hit it off and we're all talking and stuff like that. And, you know, he ends up asking, hey, do you do powder? And, you know, I partied here and there when I drink and he went over for it. But he ends up saying, hey, I want to go, I want to show you something.

So I ended up, like, going, he actually took me down the street in the same villa, the same neighborhood. I didn't even know that. And, you know, walk inside of it and stuff like that. And first time I've ever seen anything like this. And it's like in the corner of the house, there's nothing in there but plastic chairs and stuff like that. But in the corner of the house, the whole corner is locked up.

It's like four feet high, three of kilos of cocaine. And I'm like, what the, you know, I've never seen anything like that. So on and so forth. I ended up befriending them. And we would actually form a really good, like, friendship, you know. But the thing was this, where the town that I was living at, they weren't really allowed to go there because of, I guess, their location, they still had to, like, do business in the shadows.

But what they did is they controlled certain neighborhoods. They're called Puntos or points, drug spots, or stuff like that. And they had, like, 26 them across the country. And they would basically come. come in, get their money and leave. This is ultimately what had happened. So my relationship with them, they ended up being killed by the police. But their younger brother, actually, when they were on the run, I provided a shelter for them. So the younger brother literally was treating me like family. So I had rented a vehicle and I loaned it to them while they were on the run. In order

to rent a vehicle, you got to give you a passport. So I gave the password. So I gave the passport for rent to let them rent the vehicle now they're out doing whatever they're doing i didn't know what they're doing but ultimately they kidnapped murdered and traffic drugs in my vehicle and ultimately got shot in a shootout of the police and the vehicle was seized and damaged so now the individual i rented the vehicle from wouldn't release my passport and i was going to pay him whatever he needed but he was trying to extort me so i told the younger surviving brother what had happened they went over there And instead I get my passport, they beat the guy so bad that he was like in a, what do you call it, a life support coma, not like death, but like something induced coma. Yeah, like, I mean, that's not what I wanted, but I just wanted my passport.

But that ended up happening. So now I'm totally screwed. So I have to go to the embassy to get my passport. Now, ultimately, the reason why I needed my passport, I was trying to do the paperwork to bring my wife back to the United States. so I go to the embassy now the embassy is approximately three hours from where I lived so it's a day trip to go do that

so I go to the embassy on a Monday do all the paperwork do everything I need to do to get my passport at the end of the day they tell us hey look because the Dominican Republic power internet it's very sketchy you know some days you get it something you don't

so they did not have internet service so they couldn't issue my passport. They needed an internet service to do a verify, you got any warrants, so on and so forth. Now, I didn't even know that. Yeah. So I was like, okay, whatever, I'll come back, you know, tomorrow. They said, we'll email you when you do it.

So I go back home. Wednesday, I'm starting to get emails saying, hey, your passport's ready. Come pick it up. And it's just the craziest thing. Like, you know, intuition. Yeah. For some reason, I just felt like...

The U.S. Marshals were waiting for me. No, I didn't know that part I just felt like when I leave here I'm not going to be seeing these people I didn't think that's the weirdest thing I just had this feeling like when I say goodbye I'm not coming back

I swear to God it's the weird thing but I didn't think prison I thought something else for some reason but and they were making fun of me like oh you look so sad or are you leaving your wife no it's just something deeper than that you know what I mean

so I didn't go Wednesday they're calling me and I didn't go I didn't go Thursday So Friday comes, she's like, look, you're plainly saddered. You've got to go get her. You know, it's like, you're right. So I have my friend Willie drive me over there, so I end up getting in there.

Now, mind you, going inside the embassy, it's a compound, dude. You got to go through this security checkboard to go to this security, right? To go up, this security. You know, it's like deep. Yeah. And you got Marines with A, M16s. It's a compound. So I'm all the way up to the top, second floor.

The only way to go up is elevator down, stairs down. So I give my little ticket. Hey, my name's Gunner, Jake, is here to pick up my path. passport. She says, oh, yeah, just have a seat right there. We're going to wait for you. Yeah, obviously, be right with you. What? No, no, no, no. I've already did all this. I just need my passport. She's going, no, have a seat there. He'll be right with you. I'm like, oh, shit. This just doesn't sound like. I've gotten passwords before. I've never had to sit down and wait for an officer. So I'm sitting now, right? And just obviously

checking out the exits, you know, trying to plan my strategy. If there does go a foul, sure enough I hear like a troop of boots going up the stairs right I look over and sure enough he's a guy with like a suit and a little badge and some Marines and some other staff and he's got a piece of paper

a black and white piece of paper with my face on it and I'm like oh shit this can't be good he walks up to me Gunner Jenkins I said yeah yeah how you doing he goes listen you need to come with you no I'm good man I'm good thank you

I'm good no no no you need come with me. No, I'm pretty much good. They start being in. Come on, okay, okay, that's all you got to say, I'm worried, okay? So we go and say, he goes, yeah, Gunnar Jek is you have warrants out of the northern district of Texas for mail fraud, wire fraud, bank fraud, telemarketing fraud, aiding and abetting.

It's like, you got the wrong guy. I've never been to Texas, which I didn't, you know? And it turns out, during all these crimes that we were perpetuating in Orlando, we thought we were smart by putting a P.O. box in Dallas and using Dallas Skype numbers, area codes. Sure enough, that basically allowed them the North Addiction Texas to indict us on, in addition to the other crimes we did. So you said, you should have already known this. All your friends have already been arrested. None of my friends. It really, like the individuals I worked with that were on my case, I didn't really know them. Right. You know, I didn't have.

hang out with them i don't communicate regularly like mr rich mendes like we left them bad terms so like i was like now i was thinking like for sure like oh shit they got the wrong guy you know what i mean because i didn't think the p o boxes and that yeah yeah i was like because i've never been to texas that definitely was it me so i was thinking like oh shit there's like a little did they tell you the name of the charge well yeah is it wire fraud mail fraud wire fraud bank fraud telemarketing fraud and aiding him better Well, telemarketing fraud, you probably, that, yeah, that should have given you. Like, a lot of people, they'll say, like, wire fraud, and they're like, wire fraud. Like, I don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah. They don't realize that wire fraud covers a lot. A lot, yeah, almost, like, it could be a so big, yeah, yeah, it blankets, a lot of them. Mail fraud can be, can be, well, I didn't, I never mailed anything. Did you email anybody? Yeah. And listen, them postal inspectors, no joke. Yeah.

Yeah, they got guns. They're basically FBI agents. Yeah, but they're like, they're one of the individuals. They do a lot of, they do a lot of work on Ponzi schemes. Those guys are very intelligent and they are good at what they do. Because you think, oh, the postal respects, this is the postman. No, the motherfuckers are badass too. You know what I mean?

Shit. So, ultimately at this point in time, now they're going to hand me over. They're going to, you know, ex-ed me. So there's nothing I can do. Now I'm fucked. So they take me through this little tunnel to hand me over to the dimension. American version of DEA. Because that's who actually, or holding me, DEA.

DEA is active in the Dominican Republic. It's not FBI or, you know, it's DEA because it's a pit stop for a lot of drug. It's like a trampoline type thing. Right. So DEA handed me over to the Dominican version of DEA. So now I get in the middle of the backseat, you know, I got this guy here, got AR-50, this guy here, I'm handcuffed here, and I'm going to get processed to get exited back. so as I'm doing the paperwork

Dominican officers they're like they're almost fascinated with me because they realized the millions of dollars they actually got it wrong it was it said 40 million but it was only 24

but yeah I know oh shit god damn it you know what I mean but they were fascinated by they they befriending me on Facebook right there in front of me you know I got to keep my phone and everything until I got to where I was at right

so they were like Matt Coolevin and let me smoke cigarette while I was in the car I'm drinking a beer before I live. They're pumping up the music. Let me jam out before they take me to the jail. We're like hanging out like for like two hours.

Finally, we got to take you to jail. So I ended up getting into the jail. And I remember walking in there. And I'm still a little buzzed off drinking. You know what I mean? I'm hanging out with these guys. So I'm a handcuffed like this smoking a cigarette. No, no, no.

I remember going in. I say, hey, look, I need you to go give me a cigarette. I need you to get this. So they were like doing it. Right. So I get the cigarette. I'm smoking in the captain's office. I didn't even know that.

Smoking him with the cigarette. Next thing you know, if I'm going to come here, it smacks my arm. Boom, smacks the cigarette. And he's like, what the fuck is going on? You know, the captain. And basically put me in my place. So now, you know, I had to get humbled

because at first everyone was like doing what I needed them to do. They start to process me and they're about to put me in in the cell. And if you guys ever seen a third world prison, I mean, shit, America's prisons look like a damn resort. I'm not even exaggerating. I go to go put in the cell and it's like, I mean, six by eight maybe.

It's like seven people, like layered on top of each other. There's no air condition, no circulation, no windows, a hole in the flow for a toilet, no running water. No, I mean, I was like, no, I ain't going in there. Don't, no, I said, look, I'm not going in there. No, I said, look, dogs in my country live better than that. Ain't no fucking way I'm going in there. And sure enough, ultimately, I got my... You know, what I wanted, I paid 300 bucks, got my own cell.

I paid the car even got me all my brand new sheets, blankets, and everything of that nature. Now, mind you, they don't have the same system as Americans do either. So if you want something such as food, hygiene, so on and so forth, you got to either have your family bring it to you or you got to pay for it. You know, they give you one thing in the morning, which is, I think, like a little biscuit. After that, nothing happens. But mind you, if you have money, you have the freedom to buy and indulge in whatever. You know, I was getting manicures, pedicures. I even paid the officers to let me go gambling at the casino on a Saturday night because, you know, it's what, like I said, their salaries are so poor and they don't have supervision.

Right. So they had the freedom to do what they want to do. Ultimately, I stayed there in that prison, and there was news of the fact that I was held there. So at one point in time, somebody tried to break me out to extra, to take me, to hold me for ransom or some shit, because they locked the whole prison down. Because I thought I was going, because I'd never been extradite anywhere. So I didn't know. So they come in there, they hold them and they say, yeah, we're here for the American here. They're like tactical gear.

You can't see nothing but their eyes. So, yeah, we're here to take the, they had a piece of paper my name on it. And then they locked everything down. And I'm all locked in my cell. And then the next morning when I'm like, hey, what's happened? I was supposed to go because I wanted to get back to the United States because I thought as soon as I get there I could make a bond and get out I didn't know like how the feds work but so that's what I thought

so the next morning when they unlocked everything it's like no those weren't even they were trying to get you I'm like what they're like yeah there was some individuals that wanted and I don't know what they were trying to do but it wasn't official so um ultimately waited there six weeks a marshal came picked me up extra me i'd be back to the united states and here i am and what and you you get a lawyer yeah well i got to what the lawyer say well first they took me to the first port of entry which was fdc miami and at that point i like you know the gratitude gratitude of the situation

really didn't sink in like you know just i don't know i was just probably naive or wishful thinking i don't know what i was thinking but i just didn't sink in but i know when i went went to the bond hearing and they denied me bond and I was like oh shit like I'm not coming out of this bitch until the end you know what were they offering you oh I signed a plea for five years okay what I actually got was 10 years okay how come why what happened there I think the feds work it's one of the things called the dummy deal yeah my judge was a dick you know I remember getting sentenced look it was the craziest shit because you're sitting there waiting to get sentence you know you got your guidelines which shows you what you're going to get you

you sign a plea says they don't get you five years you know so you're thinking okay i don't know i guess that's like real yeah i was in a new sign a plea for five years you know as well as other individuals in my case so you're going to go to court and i'm thinking like oh shit i've got to get this time and go home soon you know sure enough i'm sitting there and the damn judge says to me my attorney says to me don't say too much just you know so i just said what i thought was right your honor i knew what i was doing wrong anything to court imposes on me I accept willingly

thinking the max you're getting five years I think I go yeah like hindsight I wish I would have said so much more like this person's sick I need to be

I could have said all kinds of shit I could do but I just took it like that you took a break for 15 minutes before the judge does the ultimate sentencing

and I come back in he starts off by giving this little speech about how white-collar crimes and again slaps on the wrist and I'm like, oh shit, this doesn't sound good. Like, what? Okay, but maybe he's just trying to sound good

for the court writings or some shit. Yeah, I need to make an example. I'm like, example. Hold on, not with me. The next guy, yeah, but not with me. Like, you can definitely make an example, but don't do it with me.

And sure enough, he started doing 120 months. I'm like, what? I said to my attorney, my attorney's like, quiet, yeah. He goes, quiet. I was like, oh, I swear, I thought he said, 100. 20 months.

It must be like probation or some shit. I don't know what the fuck. Sentences 120 months, federal business. What the fuck just happened? I just got 10 years. Sure enough. Shed a tear. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I'm sure. It's one of those things. I'm bad enough to admit it. Yeah. And fucking shed a tear because it's like I'm in this hellhole or another. Damn. The crazy part was the next guy he was talking about

I said this was me I was in the same scene waiting for him to come back Well I didn't mean like next case You know what I mean I would say like the next guy Get in the ass I'm telling the part that he said Nobody in this case is getting less than 10 years You forgot about it

Oh yeah yeah he did say that And I was next He was dead yeah He passed him in the hallway going Yeah bro it's gonna be that No no we've got in the cell We got in the cell I was like He said you look at me

I was like 10 years my band i was like no stop lying i was like dude i can't lie about that like i got my i mean just look at my face like i was probably pale as a ghost it was just one of those things like i mean until first of all it's very very imposing very intimidated being a federal courthouse yeah yeah they got these courthouses look like they look intimidating history like this thing like some real shit's gone down here you know what i mean they got painting from freaking like i don't know what 19 i don't know it just looks like history

Then you got this big imposing judge, you know, that has an incredible amount of power over your life. Sure enough, you definitely earned your way in front of them, the majority of us, you know what I mean? But like, depending on how he feels, now they got guidelines, but they can go above or below. It's fucking, they're like federal judges. Right. And they have an immense amount of power over you, your life, not over you, but your future of your life. And I come back and I tell my buddy like, hey, you know, they said there was no, he's getting less to 10 years, you know, and he's like, dude, you're lying on. I can't lie about that, you know. I ultimately, you know, he ended up getting six and a half, which he thought he was going to get

less as well, you know. I actually genuinely felt bad for the dude because his role would have been like a janitor getting that much time, you know what I mean? He didn't play a significant role. I've always told him that, you know. I was going to say mine just before I was sentenced, like, all the guys were like, oh, you're here for bank fraud. Are you going to get? I'm like, no, man. I think I'm going to get probably 10 or 12 years.

And they're like, bro, they ain't given me no 10 or 10. I come back with fucking 26 years. Guys are like, what the fuck? What? I'm like, 316 months. They're like, no. I'm like, yeah. I remember this one guy who was a gay guy.

He said, oh, my God. He has, he didn't throw the book at you. he jumped over the he is whatever the the the bench yeah he's he jumped over the the bench and bludged you with it and I thought what like what you know what I'm saying but he was so flamboyant about I would have laughed if I wasn't completely yeah just stunned done yeah it's literally like it is like you can't even describe it you go like an out of body experience like well you still feel completely numb like right am I experienced a death of a close family member. Right. And it was similar to that when I got the news. But the death was you.

Yeah. It was your death. I died. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Like, what the fuck just happened? Like, what happened with your, your wife? Like, where's the wife? That's, that's interesting for it. So I ultimately, I get back to the cell or the block from court. I couldn't even call that day. Like, it's just no way I could have done it. Now, mind you, up into this point, we've been there, supporting it the whole time, you know? And I don't know if anyone understands how, One, this case, it was a sophisticatedly complicated case and multiple co-defendants.

And these individuals, it was only me and another individual that was actually incarcerated. Everybody else was on bond. Now, these guys still had big money, like still multimillionaires. So they had powerful attorneys, literally $120,000 attorneys, like working on, and they were doing everything in their power

to extend their freedom as well as doing all kinds of tricks and stuff like that. because we were a conspiracy. So they're all kind of out there cooperating to try and mitigate their circumstances. And they've got the big time attorneys to help. Absolutely. Extending whatever freedoms they have and getting them while we're sitting in there. So it took a couple years before you went to court.

And all that time, my wife was there for me the whole time. So when I finally get sentenced, I say to her, hey, look, Maria, I got 10 years. and she later, until you break my heart, I'm crying. You know what I mean? I'm so sorry. I was like, yeah, look, we need to get a divorce. I can't have you do this time with me. Like, that's completely unfair.

As much as you want them there. Yeah, yeah. But the same token is really selfish, you know what I'm saying? Like, so I told her, look, I need to, I got to divorce you, you know? And ultimately, she said, no, I'm not going to leave you, you know what I mean? I'm going to wait, you know what I mean? Which is the greatest thing to hear. But, like, the same token is, like, it also sucks having an individual out there

because doing time and a relationship is like, what the fuck. He's heard this. The guys that have the hardest. Yeah. Guys that have wives and kids. Yeah. They do the hardest time. It sucks so bad.

But as I say, you want that, but it's like a gift and a curse. I don't know how you explain it other than when I, ultimately, she ended up remarrying children moved on. You know, I still had to do at that time, like maybe three more years. But it was, I was like, it was like a weight got off my chest. You know what I mean? Like, I don't have to worry about that anymore. I don't have, you know what? because it was always like how hard it was for her.

And it's like, yo, I'm a man, I'm a provider. I just like, you know, I can't do nothing. I'm powerless, you know. One-sided relationship. She turns into a one-sided. All you can do at this point is, where were you last night? Send me this. Oh, my God.

Call so-and-so. And then that is a complete, for her, it's like, you're just, when that phone reans, it's annoying. You're just a drain on me. You can do nothing for me. Nothing at all. And for a woman, that's not. Ask me.

And, yeah, absolutely. Like I said, yeah. That's one thing I'll tell you, anyone understands prison. Prison destroys lives. Yeah. Relationships, everything. It's though, obviously, it is what it is if you go there. You know what are you earned it or not, but it will destroy relationships, lives.

And the craziest thing about it is the fact that, like, the families where the loved one, they literally pay also a price, you know what I mean? whether it's like you said sending you the money or do you know it's like it affects so many people you know so you did three more years did when did you get out so i ultimately got out on november no i go i went to the halfway out july 2023 okay so i completed that program which was like i said i'm obviously no use to i'm aware of it yeah suck balls but you know what they got a couple of things in it. They teach you psychology. I knew some of this stuff. I didn't know some of the stuff they had titles for, but they do teach you some interesting things.

Like one of the things I will always allow myself is to be a student of whatever and always learn. You know, I get to a point where I know it all. So yeah, you know, you can learn. I learned a lot in prison too, believe it or not. Prison, there are some things and walks of life in there that can be applied in the real world. I feel tangible and could be beneficial. You know, sometimes I'll be talking about. I was like, damn, that guy needs to go to prison because he fucking, he needs to learn some respect, you know what I mean, so on and so forth. So there were some goods and bads. You know, I'm a real

firm believer in the whole thing of like your interpretation of the situation is negative or positive is what you actually bring in. You can make something of prison. You get five years or three years or something. You can turn that into a more positive experience

for yourself. Yeah. Unless you just go in there and just complain and bitch and moan. And you can either be that or you say, hey, don't want. I have been grateful in this situation. I want to make the best of it out of you know. Yeah. Absolutely. Start a plan, you know, come up with a business idea, work on the website. Lots of guys that have done that. There's tons of guys. Not tons, but I know several guys that went in, built entire apps. They wrote up, well, websites, they came up with complete business plans. For sure. They got out and started implementing it. But I was saying when you said

art app, like, I know we were took before the podcast, we were talking about Ardap and stuff, but I've always said, like, I even, I think I said this the other day, I was talking to somebody about it. And I said, even if you went into Ardap and faked your way through it, you're going to pick up something. You're going to pick up something. Absolutely. You're going to learn something about yourself. And I always said, like, I think, I don't think they should release you until you've gone through it because the, it's, you know, it's not about drugs. It's about, you know, criminal thinking. Yeah, psychology. Yeah, absolutely. You're going to learn something. If you really apply it, it might change your way of thinking completely. But even if you think, oh, I'm a fake my way through

it and you make which is very difficult yeah you're going to it's going to sink in somehow some way it's going to change it will it will improve your it will improve your outlook in some way and help restructure your criminal thinking and thought process in some way you know in in a better way maybe it might make you a better criminal might just make me a better human being it's just it will improve yes now the thing is how you apply it but if they took our system of incarceration, a little different direction. Because, you know, again, I'm from

Iceland, so I'm still considering of European and Scandinavian and whatnot. And if you look at the way that they handle incarceration, it's more about reform. And look, I'm telling you, there's some real deal of monsters in prison. Yeah. And there's some hardcore violence

going on in prison. Yeah, there's some people should never be released. Absolutely. Like, you can get PTSD from some of the shit that you see in there. Like, you know, and I get, Like how people go to war and they come back like fucked up because they seem like, you know what I mean? Like disregard of human life. You see the same thing in there.

Like, and a lot of people really don't understand like what goes on behind the walls because I didn't know. I swear to, I didn't know until I was seen. Now mind you, I didn't go to the worst of the worst. You know what I mean? I was in medium custody the whole time. You used to see some of the most fucked up shit, dude. And like people die in prison all the time.

And like we don't, and this is I don't even like. I don't even think it makes a news, does it? I think medical kills more people in prison. My God, listen. That was the leading cause of death in prison. I came out handicapped down here from medical. Yeah, they're horrible. And they're misdiagnosing.

Yeah. I know guys missing eyes. I know guys that they've died from they weren't given their insulin, even though they were begging for it. I mean, there's all kinds of things that they have heart attacks and they won't treat them until they eventually die and then they rush in there. and put him on the gurney, run out. Like, we're trying to help him.

Like, he's been complaining for four days about his heart fucking. It looks good for the cameras. Right. They never die in the institution. It's always, he died on his way to the hospital. It's like, really? Because when you got him in the morning and bed,

he was as stiff as a board. He'd been dead for hours. He'd put him on the gurney and acted like you were, and then he died in the ambulance. We almost saved him. He just got, like, it's horrible. It's a horrible situation. Absolutely.

But yeah, I... Oh, another thing I would say, mental health. I can say this right now, it's something in the prison system. Like, I want to say like 80% have struggled with real mental health. And I don't think society actually deals with it. No, they didn't deal with it.

They put them in prison. I think that's the new hospitals for mental health now. They don't have... So Reagan, Ronald Reagan in 86, you know, we used to have real mental health hospitals all over the United States. Reagan started closing them.

And I love Ronald Reagan, but he did some fucked up shit. And one of them was they stopped the funding for all of these mental health programs and all these hospitals. And what they did was now we just wait until they commit a crime. We throw them in federal prison. They'll treat them there. Well, they don't treat them there. No.

They put them on Thorazine or some drug. Wellbutrin or pros or all kinds of. There's another one they love to put them on. I know we're talking about. Everyone likes it. Yeah, yeah. People want to get it. They go to sleeper and sleep right?

Right. I mean, these guys are just like zombies and that's it. So, yeah, it's, I was going to say. And then sometimes there's actually a unit in the medium security prison. There was a whole unit. Site units. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or mental, where your roommate has mental problems and you take care of them and you get paid.

Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My buddy, Zach, what they call him mentors. He was a mentor. He was put in a two-man cell with the other guy was, had major anger problems. he was bipolar, but extreme bipolar. And he basically, you take care of this individual. Yeah, they'll pay you for it, right? They pay you like $25 or $75 a month or a quarter or something like that.

I was a little GED teacher. I thought that was a big pay. I had $22. The level of, like I said, prioritization of reformity and so on and so forth, it's so small. You know what I mean? Like the art thing is you're given that at the end. Yeah. You can't take it until the last three years.

And if you take it and you pass it, it knocks a year off. So now you're within a few months of going the halfway out. Because that's how they want you to do. But, you know, if they spent more time doing things like that, now you can do things voluntarily, so on and so forth, you know, programs. I'll tell you, at my prison, they didn't have enough things. Like, there are tons of people that wanted to do better. And whether their educations, they didn't have it available.

You know, it's funny. What they should teach is, like, they should have more vocational training, like drywall, electrician, plumbing. Plumbing. Because then you can get out and make $150,000. Immediately almost. Yeah, absolutely. So these guys are like, well, I went back to crime because I couldn't make any money.

Really? Because you're an electrician or you're a plumber. You actually have a trade. Yeah, you do have a trade. So if they could maybe say, hey, if you learn this trade, pass the course, we'll knock a year off your incentive. Like if they gave them those types of incentives. They would jump on it. Absolutely, yeah, yeah.

But they don't want to do that. They don't want to give you an incentive for, oh, you should just want to do it. Listen, fuck you. I know I should want to, but he's not going to. But give him an incentive. If I did learn this, still prevent me from doing it. So I still win, win. Everyone win.

Or help give them. them job placement in the halfway house you're going to a halfway house we're going to give you job placement on a roofing crew god half a house is another disaster i'd rather everybody i'd rather have done the rest of my time in prison than go to halfway house literally another disaster that's just so many things that are broken in the system yeah you know even if you tweak the hell out of it it still wouldn't be perfect there's never going to be a perfect system but boy it could be a lot better yeah it could be a lot better yeah you know i mean like so i totally agree with that so happens after you get out what you've been doing for the last yeah okay so since i come home where's the

time sure well i've got a call center right now no absolutely not i've actually you know it's so funny too because i've had a couple people talk to me and i was like i look they're like i think it was at the happy house or even you know i was watching commercials and there's like get out your time share or timeshare or there's like big business doing that i'm like yeah what that's like i literally got like indicted on something very similar to that. I know a guy getting pleading guilty right now. For the timeshare exit one? No, he started a company that was, he would get the leads.

He would contact these people that are in timeshares and he'd say, I can get your money back. Oh, wow. But we split at 50-50. And what he would do was he had a lawyer and everything and they would go after the, I'm sorry, they would go after the, I don't think it was the merchants, but whatever, They'd go after Visa or the bank and get them to say, hey, look, this is what's going on. You knew it was a time share. They had a whole argument where they would threaten to file, whatever, and they would pay him back $7,000 or $12 or $18, whatever it was.

And this is years later. They would actually get that money back? They would get the money back. But keep in mind, I'm getting you $10,000 back. He's taking 50% of it. I don't think that looks good. Like if he had done something more reasonable, like an attorney, 33%, or something. Either way.

But if he discloses it, is that criminal? No. I don't think it is, but eventually he got-ethical. Eventually, he got indicted. For some reason or another, and he's got a whole reason why, of why he feels there was an investigation started. He ended up getting the feds came in and they got him. And he was going to go to trial and just recently kind of decided like, he was talking to me. And I was like, listen, bro, don't go to trial.

Like, no, but I didn't do this. I don't get a shit what you think you did or didn't do. State County, like. They're going to get 12 people that worked for you to go sit down. Oh, easy. They're going to be talking about stuff that you're like, I never said that. It doesn't matter whether you did it. So I think he's probably pleading guilty.

He said he's going to. I don't know if he's signed anything yet. But yeah, there's, I know tons. I mean, I've done tons of guys that are doing the resales and the, you know. Yeah. You're the only person I know that did was in on the beginning. Like, I didn't really know how that worked. I thought like it was connected to a vacation or it was something.

Yeah. Well, they didn't call me the timeshare resale came for nothing. God, I hate that name. But, yeah, so I've seen a bunch of that. So when I first came home, as of right now, I've been released and I was working with Planet Fitness. I sustained an injury with Planet Fitness, and I had won a lawsuit. So since then, I have actually applied that I'm starting a, I don't want to give away my whole thing because I want some to steal my idea. But it's a thing, it's a workshop.

for date night that applies to my main passions as one of my fashions or hobbies of my sneaker head okay yeah and i plan to do something they actually though first of all i can't even act like it's they actually have them they have one in Vegas they have in la they have one in Miami but i want to do a sneaker workshop for date night where they give plain white like kind of you're doing your painting this thing of that nature where you get all white air force one i provide all the material paint tools and things available and you customize them as a date thing and you know

okay I didn't understand the date the date the date night connect I see what you're saying sip and paint is one they have these things mold and clay you know technically it doesn't have to be a date so I don't want if they don't need to put it as a date I think that's kind of like putting in a bunch some people will go and they'll do like a pottery class where they let they make a pot

while they're having there's all kinds of stuff like yeah yeah I had plan to go with my girlfriend would do make fresh noodle or pastas and that's kind of like a thing that you make It's just something along that trend that's where sneakers are popular. These couple activities or workshops are popular, so something along those lines. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor.

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