Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Elizabeth Teckenbrock’s Husband Exposes Alleged Cancer Scam & Millions Lost

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

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My wife at the time said that she had cancer. She's getting millions of views on every single video. This is now funding her lifestyle. Stoll $800,000 for one guy, $600,000 for another guy. I did not want to have to really come forward. I had a private practice optometry clinic. I hired her best friend. And so we were introduced, I call her Aaron in the story.

We were introduced by Aaron. She worked for me. And she's like, I have a friend and all this stuff and, you know, show me pictures. and so we started talking in that regards. Like she's trying to set you up with her? Yeah, exactly. Like she was like, hey, I have, you know, and so we went out a couple times and started, you know, hanging out and really just, you know, hitting it off in a lot of ways.

And at that time, because I own my own business, you know, I'm very, very business, like, focused on it, you know, so for her, I think that was the way that she is, she's like a a chameleon. She will mimic your moves. If I was into this, she's into this. Right. So I was really. Big into, you know, building the business, building the practice.

And she was all about that. So we really, I felt like we really connected over that drive. And she said she had done other business things in the past. But it turns out she didn't. But I was like, you know, you know, so we really connected on, you know, false things, but really knew that was what would connect with me. And so got married. We met in 2017.

Okay. Got married in 2018. And so. That's fast. Yeah. It was fast, yeah. So was it fast just because she was like super cool and amazing and yeah, it really was. It was basically I was at a place of my life where I was in my early 30s.

I had accomplished everything and I was ready for that next step. And, you know, I think she took advantage of that aspect of, you know, I have my business. I had a house. I had all these things. So I was looking for the next aspect of my life, which was a relationship. So I felt like, you know, guys. guiding that, you know, aspect of her where she really took advantage and how she operates and really, you know, we're step for step every, you know, step of the way where I'm just like, oh, this is,

I met my soulmate, you know, and so, yeah, it was, you know, obviously pretty fast. And, and from there, that's where she kind of got involved in my practice and started, you know, kind of being like the tech office manager and really helping out with, you know, build, build the business. What was she doing for a living when you met her? So she said that she was working at a special need school as like a teacher. Was that was that true? No, I mean, no. Why?

I mean, how do you find? Here's the thing. Yeah. Did you find all this out later? Later. Yeah. Later. But I mean, so in real time.

Yeah. I was going to say while while you're dating her. Because obviously something's not right, right? Like, I mean. So, I mean. But if you're constantly lying about stuff, you know, then every once in a while you're probably going to slip up or somebody, you're going to bump into something. You know, you're talking to her best friend. At some point, the best friend, you're going to say, oh, yeah, you know.

This is what she told me the other day. And then she's going to be like, that's not what she told me. Right. Or do those things come up? And then she just has an explanation and you accept the explanation? Yeah. So, yeah, she always had like an explanation for all these things that happen. or if it wasn't, it was a misunderstanding or I misunderstood.

It's a lot of gaslighting in that regards. Right. But to even go a step further, I even picked her up for lunch at the school. So now I'm thinking, not now, but like after I found out everything, I'm just like, did she drive to the school, park in the parking lot and wait out front for me to pick her up? And I'm like, yeah, she absolutely did that. So, yeah.

So it's not like I didn't go to the school. And I mean, I didn't go to her classroom. We didn't go in. It was a quick little pickup and, you know, go to lunch type of deal. So, like, you know, at the time, you're thinking, no one's going to drive there and pretend that they work there and just wait for you. Well, did you ever see a dirty John? No, I haven't. I've heard about that a lot lately.

Dirty John, the guy would, he was, well, one, he's stealing from, well, he was a, he was like a nurse or something, I forget. But he would, anybody said he was like a doctor. And he would go to different hospitals. And, you know, you walk in. And so she, that, that, the woman can. walk in and he's in there in the waiting room, you know, or talking to somebody and walking out, hey, what's going, hey, and walks out and he looks like a doctor, he acts like doctor. I drop him off the hospital. He's in the hospital. Right. But there's other, I was going to say, a common thing

to use for like con men is, what do you call it? They call them HQ headquarters. They have them in every city where it's a virtual office, right? So you can pay, you can pay, you can pay. You can pay, a fee to have them answer your phones as whatever business you want. So they'll say, hey, express tax services. Oh, I'm sorry. You know, Mr. Johnson isn't in right now or, oh, hold on. Let me see if I can transfer you. And they'll put you on hold and they'll call your cell phone and say, hey, so-and-so's on the line. Do you want me to transfer them? Yes. You pay like 120 bucks. Oh, really? Yeah. And then they'll charge you per minute after so many minutes. But if you want to meet somebody there, you can go there. you can rent an office, you can rent a conference room. And so when the person shows up and they say,

hi, I'm here to see Mr. Johnson, they'll go, oh, hold on a second. He's in his office. And they click. So it's almost like they're working. They're helping the scheme. Right. Yeah. So they're not the wiser. Yeah. So they'll pick you up. Well, follow me. They'll lead you down there. Can I get you a Coke? You know, no, Jennifer, we're good. Talk to him in the office for a minute or whatever. Or say, or you'll walk out of the office and say, hey, but let's talk in the conference room. So people are walking by. It's this massive office on the 22nd floor like obviously you're legit yeah that sounds like this like that type of stuff yeah so the operation she may use that she watches this she can use yeah yeah scammer tip there's actually a movie called um oh gosh uh empire empire and the the guy that cons this guy out

of several million dollars he uses that and so when he disappears the guy he that got ripped off shows up at the office and walks in there he's like hey is tim here and they're like they're like Tim who? Tim, you know, Bradley. She's like, who? And then he named, he's like, he owns the whole, he, this is his office. He owns this whole place. And she's like, oh, no, sir, this is a rent space. We rent offices. Yeah. And then she's like, what's it? And then it says the name of the corporation or the business. And she's like, oh, yeah, yeah. No, they, they were here for a few months. Yeah, no, no, they didn't renew their leave.

Like they set it up for, yeah, a certain amount of time. Yeah, no, this is like, I mean, stuff. Yeah. But when the guy meets him there, he walks up, he's like, he's like, he's like, Hey, Jennifer, do you want anything to drink? And he's like, oh, no, I'm good. And he's like, Jennifer, can you get me as such and such? She's like, sure. Gets up, like, they know, you think they know each other. Yeah.

The second is the reception is where we know each other. From the whole outside, it seems like the legit business. Because most people do not. Right. And I would say this, most people are not hyper aware or alert for fraud. Yeah. They just don't, they don't think it. They want what you're saying to be true.

Right. They don't even question it. Right. So if you do have a question, you go, I thought you said this. the other day, they're not thinking, gotcha. They're just thinking, I thought you said that you. Right. I was a mistake.

I thought you said you had a mischibis. Yes. And, no, did I say a mischibis? No. And you're like, oh, I must have misunderstood. It's done. Exactly. And those little small things, you know, you can tend to overlook them.

Right. And then all of a sudden. And you want to. Right. Especially she's a pretty girl. She's nice. You're both interested in the same thing. I want what you're saying to be true.

Exactly. And why would this person want to? do. Right. What's the role? Like, yeah, as we go along with this, all, like, that was always kind of my back thought of this is like, all right. This is probably her, but like, what benefit is she gaining?

Right. What's the point of this? Like, this is really, you know, sick to do all these things. And there's like not really some benefit, you know. Right. So, yeah, no, these are exactly right. You know, where I'm going there and I'm just like, okay, yeah, obviously you work here. You're out front.

Like, you're not even, I'm not even like really registering that like she would put this much time and effort to, you know, trick me and to work me. in. Right. So after she worked there, that's when, you know, the office, like she kind of came in and, you know, was kind of office manager. But you mentioned about her friend. Well, this is kind of what she does, like triangulates where she started having issues with her friend. So her friend probably only worked for me for maybe another month or two after because, again, there would be a lot of those scenarios. Hey, you know, catch him in lies and different things. So in my mind, she didn't want to have that. So she kind of made the, you know, I'm not saying a riff, but it definitely was like, well, I'm not trying to have problems here between, you know, you guys. You know, we're kind of dating now. Right. So and so that her friend ended up, you know, leaving. Right. So that kind of left it, you know, isolating where, yeah, I don't have that person to really double check like, hey, yeah, you're not saying the same thing you're saying.

You didn't go to Harvard. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So. For said, you didn't graduate high school. Yeah. Or like the beauty, like when she did like, she did her hair.

and destroyed her hair. So, like, those stories, you know, you don't get that confirmation on it. But yeah, so shortly thereafter, she's basically breaking up the whole dynamic. So I probably can't double-check these things or verify these things. So I had a contract for this building

that I signed in the story, I call him Mr. Con. He was a landlord. And basically he, in March of 2018, we signed the lease for three years. And in July, he told us that he was going to sell the building. And on the day that he said he was going to sell the building, it turns out he ended up in a nursing home with like a head injury. And it was like, okay, like everything.

Okay. What not. He signed over the building, his personal property, and he did like a last will and testament. And he was going to sell the building like because we asked his real estate agent, like, you know, how much is the building going to be? They're like, oh, it's going to be like 800,000 for the building. It's like, okay, well, I'm not buying that. So just kind of curious. But the point of that is really in the nursing home, he signed over these documents and gave the building away to another tenant for free, essentially.

And then he died in August. So basically within two weeks, he signed everything over. And the new tenant, well, I should say the new landlord, that was a tenant in the building, you know, knocks on my door and was like, hey, I'm the new owner. you owe me rent and I was like um well I need you know my lease updated I have no problem paying you if you do own this building I find it a little bit weird that you know he was going to sell it and now he's just giving it away and so she never wanted to update my lease she would never actually change the lease to it and so I paid rent for to mr. con still for that for August the month he passed I put it under the door and so I didn't pay rent to her because she refused

used to update it. So she eventually filed to like have me evicted out of my practice. And this is where this all really starts is my wife at the time said that she knew an attorney that could help us, you know, to fight this like landlord tenant dispute situation. And she was like, oh, it's an attorney I used in the past, like, back home because she's from Indiana. And I was like, well, that'd be great if you know somebody. And so she started communicating. And so, she started communicating. with this attorney, which is called Lauren, her name's Lauren. And so long story short of this is basically I'm thinking that we're gearing up for landlord tentacourt to go over this dispute. You know, hey, just add my name to the lease. No issues. Well, that never happened. They actually

evicted us. And so when we got evicted, you know, it basically was out of the blue because I was just like, well, what happened with Lauren? Like, why is she not handling this? Like you said? All these things. So, you know, I don't know. Long story of that part of it is that I'm thinking that I have an attorney, someone that she knows, she's been communicating with and trying to handle this, you know, wrongful eviction, this, you know, this whole contract dispute of who's the rightful landlord, who's not. And so it ended up being that we had to leave. And I was just like dumbfounded. I was like, well, I thought we were going to be, you know, do you ever there? I say, I want to talk to Lauren. she's representing me.

Yeah. So, exactly. So every time I wanted to physically talk to Lauren or set a meeting, you know, upset would occur. Like, you know,

why you don't trust me. Like she's handling it, you know, all this stuff. And these are some of those like points of like, I mean, looking back, like there was definitely those like signs where I was just like,

this is weird. But, you know, again, it's like why, you know, why would you, there's no gain in you to like make up this whole thing,

essentially. So it's like, you know, if you're upset by it, I understand. Talk with her. Figure it. out, you know, we'll go, you know, whatever the recommendations are and things like that.

So basically, I don't know if you want me to get to like the end of that or build all the way up on that. I mean, does she not exist? So, yeah, so basically over the next year, we've already been evicted out of the office. I had a guy come and get all my equipment because I couldn't, you know, we were leaving essentially. Right. So this guy, basically, his name is Jeff in the story. Jeff comes to my office the day that we're being evicted and takes all my equipment out of there. He's the one I bought the equipment from.

So I knew he knew how to like handle it. And he's like, hey, this equipment is like temperature controlled. Like you got to like, you just can't put it in the storage unit like I was with like some of the other stuff. He's like, I'll hang on to this for you. All right. And, you know, protect it. So he came and took away the stuff. So now we're officially out of that office.

Fortunately, I had a second office that I actually opened. So we were basically primarily working out of this. second office. So I was still just kind of continuing on and we were communicating with, you know, Lauren. I was communicating with her via text, via email. And then, you know, she would be communicating with her in other, you know, avenues, text email and sometimes on the phone, like in front of me, like sometimes she'd be talking to her apparently. So, yeah, I saw all these illusions of this person, but nothing is ever moving forward. And so after about like six months of just the runaround and just being like, what is going on here?

You know, kind of calling her out as far as, you know, is she real? Like, why is, you know, how do you know her, you know, all these different things? But all of a sudden I get a forwarded email from a banker and a judge. And like, it was a real judge. But she forwarded this from Lauren's email. She forwarded from these two people. And basically was like, hey, the lawsuit that I've been working on, you know, it got settled and the fund should be available soon. Because basically we were going to go after them after we got evicted for wrongful eviction, essentially.

So that's what that case ended up turning into is that they wouldn't update to the contract. They broke the contract. They never, you know, did things on the up and up. So, you know, we're going after them for breach of contract, loss of income, you know, et cetera. So she's saying that basically the judge is letting us. me know. So there's all these emails coming in now from places, if you will. Like this is on the brink of like COVID happening. So basically this is now reaching to like 2019. And when we get into COVID, like everything like shut down. So you know, courts work down and everything like that. Communication.

So it's just kind of where things fizzled out with that. But that's where, you know, Lauren is still somewhat in this like communication with my wife and me and, you know, trying to get this money from the judge from the bank, you know, basically, you know, couldn't get it because everything was just like shut down. In my mind, like obviously for her, it's like this bought her like another six to eight months essentially of like, hey, you can't do anything about it, you know. So is the email from Lauren like a Gmail or is it like at so and so law firm? Yeah. So, um, so the, the email account because this was like her friend that she knew, it was under a Gmail account at this time. So she was at her.

her name at gmail and what i was told is because that she was doing this as a favor she wasn't going through like her traditional like at you know uh whatever law firm but yeah it wasn't like at uh cumberland and and and chives you know law firm yes but that but that comes into play later so later on when i finally like had enough of it she she actually bought a domain name to to to create a fake law firm yeah Yes. And when she's talking on the phone, is she actually on a call? Like, is she on her voicemail call or she just empty phone? Yeah. So, I mean, I think there was probably a couple of times for both. I mean, I did hear someone speaking back a lot of times, but I can never make out like what they were saying or hear it. So I think some of them were like calls probably about maybe she called her mom and was like, you know, hey, I'm got to have this conversation like play along. So yeah. So there was definitely I heard voices sometimes. And then sometimes it was just her talking and things like that. So she basically created. this whole all out of this, you know, building lawsuit, if you will.

Right. And so this is really where the fraud originated from, if you will, in my mind for where she really came into play is trying to figure out this building and all this stuff and creating a fake attorney essentially. So as she pregnant at this time, do you have kids at this time? So in 2019, we had our first daughter together. So she had two previously. And so they live with you?

Yep. So they lived with us. And then her oldest daughter would go back and forth. But the dad, and this is how she met Lauren, supposedly, is her oldest son. When she lived in Indiana, apparently there was some lawsuit because there was some like essay situations. She said that she sued him and all this stuff. So she has like full custody of the son because she told me his dad was basically in jail.

So basically this attorney that she introduced me to, that's the situation that they knew them for. Does that end up being true? No. No. Okay. It's so hard to figure out. Yeah. Because I was going to say, man, they might want to write that guy a letter.

Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. So none of it's true. But, you know, so again, yeah, all these time, through all those time, it truly is, like, sorting out what's true, what's BS. And, you know, it turns out it's a law. more the BS than what's actually true. So, so, I mean, you keep, you're still going on.

You're still, you got the one office. There's no lawsuit. It's COVID. Everything's kind of shut down. I mean, when, is there other stuff here going on? Or when do things are unraveling? Like, I mean, are you, you're, yeah, are you seeing any signs like? Yeah, do you find out about one thing or do you, you don't, don't kind of give

away thing, but do you find it all out at once? Or it's like, oh, you know, I caught it out on this, but we kept on going. Like, what's the So sort of, so basically her strategy, what I've realized now is when I start to figure out like the Lauren situation, things are not making a lot of sense and I'm basically

coming to a head of things, a new, new chaos ensues. Right. So, and that's something that will trigger because before the Lauren situation, Canada came to a head. So I owed for that optometry, that Jeff was storing for me.

So I was like, I need to pay off this loan. Like, you know, not working right now, but like I have this equipment. He's storing. So I went to reach out to Jeff to sell the equipment for me to get the money. Right. So it was weird because everything was really good with communication at first. And then all of a sudden, you know, it broke down. And then essentially he said he had money for me and I would get it, but I never did.

And long story short of that situation is what she, what I found out afterwards is she actually sold that equipment. She contacted Jeff behind my back and asked Jeff to sell the equipment in 2019. So in 2020, when I was asking him to sell it for me, she, what I came to find out, the number of my phone was not his number. So she had actually gone into my phone and changed Jeff's number in my phone to basically her burner numbers. So I'm thinking I'm talking to Jeff about selling my equipment, but I'm actually talking to her. Because you're texting. So I'm texting. And I have this number.

So just texting about all this stuff. So turns out I'm talking to her thinking I'm talking to Jeff. And my equipment says already been sold, which she already knew. So when I started talking about selling the equipment in 2020, I'm sure she was like, oh, my goodness. And that's when she went in my phone and changed the contact. and change it to her number. So I'm thinking that he's selling the equipment for me. That's kind of genius.

Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, and so that's what it really, that part really messed with a lot for me because I'm still on the hook for the loan. I now don't have the, I didn't able to sell the equipment. And yeah, how do you, well, you know, how do you approve it, right? Like, you know, how do you go to the police? Like, you know, this was a crime. Yeah. Well, when I did that, like you said, it's kind of genius because they were just like, yeah, we, yeah, we, yeah,

We can't do anything about this, essentially. And so because of the scenario, it's like, as soon as you mentioned, your wife or X-Wave at the time and, you know, changing numbers, it's so diabolical that like, you know. They think you're crazy. Right. Or they think you were in on it. And this is like some elaborate plan to, you know, basically pass this off of like, you know. Yeah, say identity theft or theft or something.

So I don't owe the loan. Right. Exactly. There's just, it's so deep when you get into like the detail of like that scheme. So I'm thinking for six to eight months that I'm. communicating with this guy about my equipment. And really, it's her on a burner phone. And I didn't find that out until one day,

I just, instead of going to Jeff on, you know, typing in Jeff my phone, I looked up as number because I didn't obviously memorize it. I just typed in Jeff's actual number. And it populated on my phone under Uncle, name Uncle Tony. And I don't have an Uncle Tony. And so she changed his name on my phone to some random name.

So yeah, so she really went through and really, while you're married. This is while we're married. It's so insane. You hear these stories and it's like, oh, like my business partner screwed me over this random guy I met. Like, this is your wife.

Yeah. Well, I mean, here's a thing. Like so, and I know I texted you this. I said like, bro, like, is this? She sounds like a pathological liar. And you were like, well, I just think she's probably a psychopath or sociopath. She didn't tell me. But you understand that you have to be a psychopath or sociopath to be a pathological liar.

You have to have to suffer from antisocial disorder. And when you say you're the husband, I wrote a book about a guy named Marcus Schrenker, who, I don't know if you remember this. In 2009, during the financial crisis, this guy took, he was under investigation for securities fraud. His offices had been raided. He goes and gets in his airplane. He wasn't arrested, but it's coming. He gets in his private aircraft.

He flies out over, he's actually over Alabama, I think, when he jumps out. Calls in a distress signal says his window is spider cracking. I'm bleeding, I'm bleeding. It's imploded. And he puts a parachute out and jumps out of the plane. He thinks it's going to go out over the Gulf and it'll crash and it'll be lost. It actually runs out of, because he opens the door and the drag on the plane, cause it to burn more fuel trying to get back up.

And so it runs out of fuel. a few miles early of the golf crashes in the wooded area, they find out immediately like everything's torn off this plane, but the windshield, which the guy said imploded, is in perfect shape. There's no blood. Yeah.

And there's like a K-O-A campgrounds, Atlas, you know, like in the, it was just, they called him to the K-O-A campsite in like three days later. Anyway, it's a total idiot. But he was he's a pathological liar. I mean, that's not me saying it. That's like the government, the government, the government's employees, everybody,

and the government's psychiatrists saying it, everybody. And he was married to this woman for like 15 years. And she just, you know, anything that would go wrong with him with most pathological liars, because I did a bunch of research on it, right? I've read like three books, a bunch of research material, which is 20, 30 pages long, of these little, little pamphlets that they put out on their research.

And so if a woman, so if a man, and I saw this with him, because I interviewed him, of course, for months, and I would paint him into a corner like, bro,

you said this, he said this, I got this, I got this, and he would, he'd go, he'd get angry, he'd go, you know what,

I don't have to fucking put up with this, bro. I don't have to put up with this. You'd think I'm lying? Why would I lie? I'm done talking to you. And he'd walk off to get himself.

And then I think that's it. We're done. Right. Three days later, he'd walk up to me into like the library and go, hey, he'd say, when are we meeting again? Nothing happened. Yeah. And so for women, for men, like 95% of the time, it's anger.

That's their defense mechanism to get out of this, an uncomfortable situation when their lies are kind of caving in on them. And for women, it's tears. They will typically start crying. You don't believe you. How could you do this? You know? And then they'll run off.

Right. Or slam the door, close the door. Just leave me alone. I don't want to talk to you. And you're like, it's more that victim kind of mentality. Right. So I'm because to me and the other thing about it is, I want to mention about pathological liars is you keep saying, what is the goal?

Like, why would she lie about that? What's the goal? There's no money in it. There's no reason for her to lie. It's something, it's trivial. It's stupid. Why would you lie about your past? You understand?

There are different times. types of pathological liars. One of it is a, I'm going to say it wrong. It's basically like a fantastical pathological liar. It's, I'm saying it wrong, though, but it has to do with fantasy. He actually had created a couple different versions of what, of his life that he told people throughout it, since he was in college. He had told people that he worked at NASA. Not all the time, but he had worked at NASA. He had interned there. He used to fly these T-11. fighter jets that only NASA pilots fly. Then as he got older,

it was that he had like the discovered, like the, I figure which one broke up on reentry. I think it's Discovery or Enterprise. Whichever one broke up, he was on the team that investigated when they took off and the ice had damaged the wing. And he told NASA that that was an issue.

I mean, it was always stuff with NASA. Or the other one he had said was that he had flown like A-10 war. Hort Hogs in Operation Desert Storm. He would have been 18 years old. Right. Yeah. There are no, like the youngest fighter pilot in history is like 22 years old.

You know, like you, so it's all, and it's, you know, and sometimes it was the army. He's fighting, flying for the army or he's flying F-16s for the Air Force. So it's, you know, it depends on who you talk to, but you talk to somebody and he had told these stories to many, many people. There were newspaper articles about, oh, you, with Marcus, you know, you know, you. you never know about that guy, you know, he would tell us about flying all these sorties during Operation Desert Storm. And it's like, he wasn't in the military.

So there were lots of stories that there was no benefit to the lies he would tell. But he told them because partially it was a way to boost his ego. And he, pathological liars, they've studied them and they get like an endorphin rush by fooling you. that's what's so weird. That's what I kind of concluded. Right, that it makes no sense other than you're talking about something and suddenly he would, he'd suddenly have a similar story and he kind of won up you. And then if you totally believed it and started asking it, he felt good about that.

Yeah. It's like the tricking aspect. The scam or the fraud or the lie becomes mainly the goal. Right. It's not really about money. You're thinking, because to me it's like, I'll lie to you. Right. But I have a business.

I have a, I have a specific agenda. I need to, you to believe this so we can make money. I need, like, I don't, I'm not opposed to lying in furtherance of a scam, but I'm not going to lie to you just because. Just a lie. Yeah. It doesn't mean. So I was, I, it would drive me nuts dealing with them. No, and those are probably some of the worst ones because like, that part doesn't make sense.

But, you know, other than, like you said, that's why they get away with it. Yes. And they do pick people that, you know, victim wise that are, you know, I think more. Almost understanding, but it just... Yeah, yeah, it's like, for instance, his wife was, was, I don't want to say an enabler, but in a way she was, you know, I don't want to say, she's not a bad,

she wasn't a battered woman, but she had, you know, you're trying to keep this guy on an even keel. First of all, he's paying all the bills, you know. Of course, he's also running a Ponzi scheme. But, you know, she's, she doesn't really realize that. And she's paying, she's living in a fucking $3 million house. Yeah. He's got two planes.

They've got brand new vehicles. Their kids are in private school. Like she's living the life. Right. Like and periodically he gets upset or if I start to question him. So she just stops kind of questioning him because I never really catch him and he wouldn't admit it anyway. And what's the goal here?

Yeah. I just kind of say that a lot of times in the series where it's like I kind of stop asking her because if you know, ask a pathological liar for the truth, you're going to get more lies. Yeah. So you really. That's exactly what is. It's just going to keep lying.

They're not going to say. going to get like a moment of like oh like oh here this is everything I you know here's the truth yeah she's never going to say you got me listen I was just totally lying about that and I don't know why do you know exactly and most people like the jigs up like okay you caught me like I'm just gonna I got out of hand here but no it's like it's like no I'm gonna double down like and that's what I realize is that she'll lie about her lie about her like I kind of even say like I can have a picture of her out somewhere like this is you out this day and she's like oh that's not me like legit just tell you that was another day or that looks like me whatever it's like they

will convince you any way possible that well lying on a lie listen this is the funniest thing first of all you couldn't embarrass this guy shrinker you couldn't embarrass him and listen I was locked up for a long time so I've known lots of pathological liars you know lots of guys but um the funniest thing with him and then I'll get off his get off that and we can keep going for you'll you'll like this explanation so one time i keep mind i've ordered all of his documents because i don't believe anything he says i'm writing a book on him but i don't believe you oh yeah like i'm going through you're telling me some stuff and uh and so i've ordered all the freedom of information act i've ordered his public records everything i have a stack of of paperwork so one

day i come to him and i say hey listen so at this point um is this when they start when you you were because he's kind of telling me the story chronologically and i said it At this point, like, this is when you start getting sued, right? And he goes, Matt, I was never sued. And I went, no, no, you were sued. I mean, the newspapers, they said you were sued. And he goes, Matt, they, they lie. They lied about them.

They lied about you. And I went, no, they didn't. I wasn't thrilled with what they said. Right. But they didn't lie. So they were pretty close. It was some of it was questionable. Yeah.

My Audi wasn't gray. It was silver. But anyway. And I was like, what do you mean? And then I, of course, I know the lies coming. So now I know it's, I go. I said, so you were never personally sued? He goes, no.

Were you ever sued on behalf of the company? Because he owned a wealth management company. He was, no. And then I went, was the company ever sued? He goes, no, you think I would know if we were sued. Right. And I went, right. I said, so here's the thing.

Mutual life sued you. And I have the documents. Right. You know, that's it 100%. I have where he was served. He signed it. Yeah. Like I'm like, you were signed, you served here, you're signed here.

Exactly. And I go, they wanted $1.5 million of their money back, their commissions back. And he goes, what? Where did you get this? Yeah. You made this up. And then I go, I said, well, that's not it. And he goes, no, I, yeah, no, no, I never should have been.

I should, this was, this is not accurate. And I went, okay, I said, is that the only one? He's like, yeah, no, this is it. I go, okay, boom. Heritage wealth management was sued by, by agey, you know, life. such and such. They want $4.5 million of their commission money back. He goes, no, I never should have been sued here. And I'm like, okay. And then, and I pull out like four of them in a row. Boom, boom, boom. And I go, and he goes, oh, okay, okay.

He is, I understand why you're confused. I'm confused because you're lying. And he goes, he said, no, I get it. I get it. He said, yeah, Matt, he said, they sued the company. I said, no, no. They sued you individually. They said you as the CEO of the company. and they sued the company. And he just said every one of those was untrue. And I said, so they sued all of them. He goes, Matt, silly you. He goes, Matt, I owned a large wealth management company.

He goes, of course we were sued. We were sued all the time. He goes, it would be ridiculous if we weren't sued. And I went, oh, okay. I said, so tell me about the first one. Because there's no reason to get into a dispute about that at this point. He's going to just lie. Right.

And I go, tell me about the first time you were sued on this one. He's like, oh, okay, we'll see. What happened with this one? And he starts explaining it. And it's just like, do you understand it within a minute and a half? You went from Matt, we've never been sued. I would obviously know that to, of course we were sued all the time. It would be ridiculous if we weren't sued.

Yeah, exactly. And not embarrassed. There's no embarrassment in his face. He just kept right on rolling. I was going to say, catch him the line. And like, yeah, there's no like, no, just go with it. just, yeah, it's horrible. Well, dealing with that type of person, let alone in that situation, but like, yeah,

dating that person. Yeah. Nightmare. Which is where you, and like you said, it kind of just wore you down. It did. Yeah. Eventually. Because, you know, again, this is, you know, what we're talking about, but this is still

not even getting into, you know, her cancer that she had. So like, we're talking about, you know, the initial stuff of the story like we're saying is stuff with my practice, the, you know, the attorney situation, the lawsuit. to my equipment that she had already sold, but still leading me on to think I'm talking to him and I'm still going to get some money for this. Well, in the end of COVID, well, not the end of COVID,

but October of 2020, you know, she's now telling me that she has like a lump on her arm. And now she's pregnant with our second child, as she mentioned as well. Well, she can back up one further. So over the summer, when she first told me she was pregnant with our second child,

she told me we had twins. And so again, during COVID, I couldn't go to doctor's appointments. I'm relying on. So again, I'm relying on a pathological liar right during COVID to give me good information. So I'm presented a ultrasound that doesn't really look like twins, but there's the writing on it that tells me that I should say it's twins. And then, you know, I'm just like, well, let's go to a, it was a third party because we can go to the hospital. It was like a just independent person. So finally after a couple months, we went, only one baby and she's like oh i think i might have lost one i'm like well that's you know again

like horrible like very like sympathetic like oh my gosh so she goes to her regular doctor and tells me that yeah she did lose the second baby but now like is that real no for now i have no doubt in my mind that she forged this and faked it for some kind of sympathy some kind of like emotional aspect to it i i don't know but like at the same time it's like comment on before it's like is it like To be special? Maybe, I mean, you don't know. Yeah, exactly. It's like, well, I will say two things.

I think it was, we had a sitter at the time and I think it was to manipulate her a little bit emotionally because, you know, just that's, again, it's like a trauma story, you know, someone that relates to that. So I think she uses a lot of these type of stories to real people in, feel sympathy, feel victimized. And yeah, just, it's weird. But that wouldn't work on me. I got no sympathy.

Yeah. So like, you know, so like, you know, so like, all. all of a sudden, you know, we have going from this to one. And again, yeah, I have no evidence or proof that we ever had actual twins at any time. Right. But this is what I'm told. And, you know, so again, that's something I'm just, during COVID, again, can't go. But like, why, you know, no one's forcing you to pretend to have twins.

Why, why just make that up to have to explain that away like that? Why would shrink her say he was a fighter pilot? Keep in mind, too. Right. This guy's got a degree in aeronautics. Right. He owns a wealth management company. He lives in a two or three, like a $3 million house.

He has two airplanes. He's a stunt pilot. Like, you're a top tier individual. You don't have to lie and say, oh, yeah. And I used to fly fighter jets and I used to work for NASA. Like, you're already top tier. Right. It's benefit.

Like everybody's already impressed. Right. Beautiful wife, gorgeous kids. Making money. Like, what's the benefit? Yeah. And that's the, like you said, they get something about the lie because, yeah, it's like, there's no reason you would lie about having twins knowing that you're not

going to have twins, but it's something about, you know, convincing it or, or playing that off. But that was over the summer of 2020. And then October, that's when she had this like lump on her arm. And, you know, she was like, I need to, you know, get this checked out. I'm like, absolutely, go get it checked out. And just the first time I would say that she really kind of maybe took some money from me because she's like, the test is like $3,000 to have this scan. So that's fine, no problem. Like obviously, like, you know, you're not going to not get that done. I, I, I, I, believe that she walked in there and sat in the lobby for a minute up grin it out and bear it yeah oh yeah yeah yeah literally i'm pretty sure she signed that lobby counted the the money it was like all right

probably leave now is this long enough for this test because again i couldn't go in uh so i'm in the parking lot you know waiting for her to have this like scan done you know uh so a week later you know we're in the car together and again this is another time where like who is on the other line you know she she answers the call i hear talking and i could see by her reaction i was like this might not go well and then she's like i have lymphoma you know that scan came back and i have cancer and i'm like oh my gosh you know and again covid could not go and verify with the doctors and you know it's kind of hipa protected so it's one of those things that's in my mind to fake cancer at this point it Again, kind of genius because it's 2020.

No one is going in with you. You have nobody, you know, even with her treatments and things like that. So it's all solo because they're a very high risk. So I couldn't go in with the doctors. I couldn't even, you know, really do anything, you know, for that. So it's, and I didn't have social media either at this time. I should probably say that too. What did the lump on her arm look like?

So it looked like basically. from what I understand now, I think because she was pregnant, I think it was some lack to like some milk, if you will, that was like hardened because it was basically like a little bit of like extra skin like some fat underneath it. And it was I did palpated it. It was a little bit hard. So it definitely, you know, it's not my area of expertise. So, you know, I was thinking just get it checked out for sure. But yeah, it was basically this like, you know, lump of of skin that had a little, you know, hardness to it as well. So I think. now it was probably just hardened you know some milk that was coming in probably a warm compress uh might have taken care of probably would have taken care of it was was there at this point at this point you are you in real time yeah are you realizing like at this point like she's you're starting how long you've been married um so that would have been three uh two years two and a half years two and a half years with this with this chick at this point you was there a little part of you that thought yes yeah should have yeah

Cancer, that's horrible. Yeah. Yeah, at that point, yeah. I mean, obviously, I have like a lot of mixed emotions for sure. I hate to say that, but like at this point, there's just so many things. It was just like, what else can go wrong? And at this point, I'm sorry to cut off. At this point, you still don't know that the lawyer was fake.

I have my suspicions, but I don't have any. It's kind of gone. And at this point, I still don't really know the Jeff situation. either like I I know that it's I'm not getting the money I'm getting the run around so I don't know the full I don't you know all this stuff does come to a head in 2021 essentially yeah so the dam hasn't broke yet that's not fully broke but I guess what got me on this whole tangent was what you were saying earlier is like you know do you figure out one thing and then the next no for her it's like as I'm on to one thing it's like oh well now we got twins and I just had a miscarriage oh okay well now I'm on to maybe Jeff well now I got cancer so

it's like as you're getting on to like as you're maybe coming across like one you know key piece of like oh i'm getting my like get my feet back on the ground and maybe have some sense of all this it's like nope catastrophic events about to happen and that's kind of what happened after the cancer is well not after during the cancer so october when she was diagnosed with the cancer she created this like whole page on ticot and facebook and this is the part for me like I never had social media, as you can probably tell with my social media, I'm very, very direct with it, awkward in a way. But I just didn't really do social media in any aspect. So she did her cancer journey, TikTok pages. And this is where people online are just like, how would you not know? You know, you're a doctor.

Like, how would you not know? Well, how I didn't know is that, you know, when I'd go to work, you know, she would be at home wearing like a scarf on her head, taking pictures. she had like a fake port on her chest. I'm at work and then she post it. Yeah. And then she posts online. And I'm not online. And the people that know me online assume that I'm going home to see this. They're not going to be like, you know, hey, did you see your scar for her port?

Like obviously if she has it, I would go home and see it. Yeah. But you also think she's in the middle of, you also think she's in the middle of cancer treatment, right? So yes and no. But basically in real life. meaning like in our everyday life when she was going to these doctor visits because she was pregnant at the time they said they were going to hold off on chemo so they weren't going to do chemo until she gave birth and so that was my in real life me and her communications that was the understanding that i was told again it kind of go back early like she tells me something she tells the internet i'm actively getting chemo that's why i have this port that's why i lost my hair and have this scarf and i don't know that aspect i know that she has cancer but i'm not just told that, you know, we're holding off on the chemo until after the baby. So when I get home, no scarf, no port, I'm none the wiser. But online is thinking that like, you know, she is getting

treatment and things like that. So what I'm seeing in real life is very different than what she's posting on her like social media pages and her, you know, lymphoma cancer journey. Yeah. So what's the benefit? Like is she, is she raising money for, is she saying, hey, I need donations? Yeah, so there was a little bit. And I think the short term of this that I understand now, I think a lot of this was, you know, she started owing some people money during this time. So I think a lot of this was actually like a sympathy thing because she actually, which we didn't get into, but she took $12,000 from like her son's teacher. And around that time, I found out that like he was looking for the money back. And so how $12,000? How did she get this guy for $12? How did she get this guy for $12? 12 grand that part he's never come forward um to clear it up but i've seen some emails basically i don't know why she got the money but she did and he was supposed to pay him back and then the sitter that we had right before um covid happened apparently she was like said she was paying her but she didn't pay her for like two months like she owed like the sitter like like five or six thousand dollars too so i don't

know it you know was the cancer at the cancer at that time in my mind i don't think it was like a true like money payoff from because from my end there was like a go fund me and some t-shirts and again i don't want to downplay it by any means but it was like five thousand dollars i think wasn't like to go fund me which to go through all this effort for five grand i mean right not really i don't know yeah yeah the combination but the combination of that plus putting people off right so i started seeing emails where people are like hey can you meet me you know like the teacher and it's like oh well i have treatment today i can't meet you oh i'm not feeling well so i started just realizing like this treatment could have been or having this whole idea could have been to push people off

to either feel bad and sorry and or not meet them to pay them back. So I kind of have leaned towards that more recently seeing it. But that kind of shifts when she meets some other people individually. So the internet cancer scheme in my mind, I think because she's just obsessed with social media and that whole yard. But I think the real cancer, like when she started getting a lot of money. It was like one on one with people like where she would talk to them and say, you know, I'm dying and and they would give her a lot of money, which we'll get into. Because I think that's when the cancer monetary, um, avenue really opened up a lot more than like the go fund me and all the stuff that was

going on in that time. So, but that could just be by design. So, but so basically, um, she, she's moving forward with, with, Oh, yeah. So the kind of last thing you're saying was the double life. Like she's posting at this, you know, social media, you're coming home, you're none of the wiser. Yeah. And she's pregnant. Exactly.

That's coming up. Yes. And so this, at this time, all of a sudden, she need like a liver transplant. And she said, yeah. And so she's sending me, or not sending me, but like, basically she's presenting me her meds and, and, and, and, and rugs. I don't know if you can say drugs or not. Yeah. Just drugs and, you know, not chemo, but just drugs that she was going to.

to be on. And so basically, I started looking at them and I'm like, I don't think your doctors know what you're doing because these medications and your blood results. I go, this, you know, I don't, you know, I'm not, that's not my field, but I know what these medications do into the body. I know how your blood results should look, taking these medications. And this ain't it. Well, all of a sudden, you know, she says she talked to her doctors and they switched some medications and she was no longer needing a liver transplant and she recovered. And I was like, great, you know, like obviously like, hey, sold that one. So I basically just told her, I go, you know, and again, we can I can't go talk to the doctors and see them. So I'm just like,

I don't know. I don't really trust your doctors at this point, you know, because at this point, I'm still, you know, I'm on the verge of like my pregnant wife is dying of cancer and I'm going to be left with four kids, you know, essentially, you know, on my own. And so, I'm still in that kind of mentality, if you will. But all of a sudden, you know, I'm like, you need new doctors. If I'm lucky. Yeah. If I'm lucky, that's what happened.

Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Probably would have been better the better at this point. So I'm like, you need new doctors. I go, they don't know what they're doing. Like, I'm sorry. I don't want to be rude. I don't know them.

I don't see them. And maybe, you know, that's not, you know, as a doctor in a sense, you never want to colleagues, you know, stuff on anyone's toes, especially that's not my expertise, but I'm just like, I don't know. Well, a week later, they're like, hey, they want me to go to the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville. They're going to co-manage with them. They're going to send all the results up there. So basically, I'm like, I question your doctors. And what? She did she do. Like we talked earlier. It's like, oh, you know what? The jig's up. Like, no, I got new doctors. So it's like, you question her on the doctors. She'll just find new doctors. You know, so that's what happens. So she got a referral. And now she was being co-managed with the Mayo Clinic. So, yeah, in Jacksonville. So that covered... Is she traveling up to Jacksonville? Nope.

They're just doing all the testing here and then they're sending everything up for them to interpret it, obviously. So now you can't, I can't go up there. I can't talk to the doctor. Exactly. They're not even local. Exactly. So it's like basically, it's all still being done here where you can't go and we'll get all the results. So it's, you know, and this is coming to the end of, you know, 2020.

And my daughter, my youngest daughter, who is only one, not the, you know, the one, you know, the one with the twins that wasn't a twin but she's born in uh january 21 essentially and this is kind of where the cancer stuff kind of came to a head in my opinion because i was always told from her again in real life not the stuff that she posts online but after she gave birth that's when they were going to start around like the real hardcore drugs and so i i think that's when a lot of this stuff um broke down for her because now like how i don't know how you can fully fake that in real life to me, you know, she was doing it online because she was doing the fake port. She had her cap on and posting it for her lymphoma journey online. So people online were thinking that she was

getting chemo and, you know, the whole shebang. But in real life, there was even a video online that she posted where she's like on the bed and like call, like, you think she's about to die. Well, I get home and like, I mean, I don't know what day that video was posted, but there was never a video where she was ever like on the verge of like death, you know, she never. You never. You didn't go in the comment and say, listen, I don't care what you're doing on Twitter right now or on TikTok right now. But when I get home, my dinner better be ready. Yeah. Yank that scarf off and get cooking.

I'm on my way. Right. Exactly. And so if I'm on social media, obviously I would see like way more. But yeah, I was living in real life in real time, however you want to phrase that, a very different cancer patient versus what people were getting the full. in the full ordeal online in all. So and this is again going back to, you know, as we're trying to figure out all these things with it with the cancer and all the other stuff about a month after my daughter's born. Um, in, in January, well,

in December, I should say, December before she, a month before she was born, um, my wife started sending me emails for the place we were living. The place that we are living, um, the payments were getting kicked back. And so I'm like, what's going on? You know? And I was paying for that. And then she told me that she was going to take care of it one month. And I was like, okay.

Long story short of that is that there was always an issue. Like it would go through. As you do those payments, they go through for like five days. It shows. What about that cancer? Yeah. Well, what's going on with the cancer? Right.

Well, exactly. And like the fundraising and things like that. So like, is she using that to pay for this? I don't know. But either way, the rent payments get kicked back. They go through at first. I'm sure you know about the like ACH payments. Like when you do a payment like that through a bank,

it shows like always that it goes through, but it takes like three days before they kick it back essentially. If there's no money. If there's no money. So I'm seeing, I didn't necessarily always, I didn't really know that to be honest, but I see it go through.

It's covered. It's good. Great. And then think of that rent's paid. And then five days later bounces. And this is the part where I realized what she was really doing. So once she thought rent was, was paid, then my money could be used for other things, you know, shopping, XYZ,

because it looks like rents paid. Right. Well, she knew that she couldn't do that again. So what she started doing is forwarding the, the rental company's emails to me. And she started changing all the stuff. Basically, on the emails, it would say, oh, we did get your payment. It went through. We're going to credit you for all the, you know, stuff.

and it's coming from like the companies you know i'm sure you have you forwarded email before and it shows like if you do that you could actually go in and type different things in there but it still shows like that it was looks like it appears to have been forwarded right from yeah from it was it was something that was sent to her and then forwarded to you right you can see their email address but the contents of the actual email they sent can be completely changed the original email is totally different so i'm seeing these emails and i didn't again going back before like I don't you know I'm not in this realm of like why would someone do this so I'm not even this is on my radar at the time and so I'm thinking that rent's been paid we are good to go I'm getting all these emails coming in well I know now yeah she forwarded them and older them for me to not pay rent and do all this stuff so the point of that story is again we're getting to a point where maybe I'm going to have more things figured out or baby's born she's going into the hardcore cancer treatment. Well, next thing I know, we're being evicted out of this house because apparently we haven't

paid. But I'm like, looking at these emails. I'm like, what's up with all these emails? Like, they're telling me we're paid through, you know, March or whatever time that was. And turns out, yeah, shoot, we, we weren't. So we got evicted out of there and had to go live with their grandparents. So again, it's the whole, the whole theory and strategy of this is like crazy. But it's like as soon as you're onto this scenario or into this figuring out it it's like nope pull the rug on it you know you thought you're going to get close well now we're homeless like essentially it's like good luck with that like so your mind is like we got we got to find a place to live or like you know you're you're you're distracted you know you're basically now you know category you know five more alarm fire of where are we going to

live we have four kids now you have cancer you need to start your treatments like yeah it's best And now we live with their, and that was to me, so this is to me where, like, the rock bottom for me was, I'm like, you know what? How in my life? I had a house. I thought I had a wife and, you know, kids and had my practice. I had two practices. Now I still, I'm like, in this short amount of time, I'm not living with my wife's grandparents. And they were super nice and amazing, but I'm just like, how do my life?

I mean, that's where I'm just like. Are any of them coming to you saying, listen, this chick's always been a train wreck? So it's funny that you say that, like afterwards, what are you doing? What are you doing with her? Yeah. It was about a year after, like, we were separated. And like one of the uncles was like, yeah, saw that come in, you know? And I was just like, well, like a heads up would have been nice.

You know, like so no, didn't come to me. But afterwards, yeah, they seemed so matter of fact of like, yeah, this was inevitable going to be the result of this. Just like, well. Oh, she's left the, she's left a trail destruction. There's the truth of the only, there's tons of other homeless guys wandering around right now. For sure. So yeah, so that's where, yeah, I'm just looking around and I'm just like, man, we're living with my wife's grandparents. I have a baby now that's what two, three months at this point.

Right. And our other daughters basically two plus her older kids. I'm just like, what, what's going on? You know, like, what? Let's just like, how do we get here? So the first thing that I did, well, through all this time is she did have a shopping problem. Like she spends money. Like no one's business.

So when we were in the grandparents, I cut that off. I was like, you're not to touch a card. You're not to take cash. Like I will, you need something from Amazon or Target. You give me the list and I'll get it. Right. Because she would always be like, oh, I'm just going to run a target. I got to get like a thing of milk and some eggs.

$400 later. It's like, what? This is what we talked about. Right. So she really like shopping addiction throughout. you know really throughout the relationship obviously but at that point I was just like I I'm figuring I got to figure out my life and so far I know whatever you're telling me is not helping or whatever you're doing so I really kind of cut her off in a lot of respects at that

point assuming the marriage starts to deteriorate at that point because that was probably a big draw for her you know what I'm saying so that's exactly right I mean I yeah you know all the themes on that yeah yeah so the big draw Yeah, so I cut her off financially. And I was just like, the next move is going to be our own house. Like, we're not going to be doing whatever we've been doing. I'll save every penny, you know, that I make. And I will make sure it's all accounted for.

Well, yeah, within two months. So we moved in there in March, so April, May, June. So three months, she met Gary in the story. Gary is her grandmothers or grandparents, like one of their really good friends for like 20 years. He just got out of divorce, you know, basically. How old is Gary? Brian is 50s, 60s. And how old, how old are you? So I'm 38 now. How old was she? She's just turned 30. So at that time she was like 20, maybe like 27, 28. So. Wow. Okay. So, well, yeah. So. Kudos to Gary. Yeah. I mean, I sure it didn't work out for him. Yeah. Yeah. So. So.

we're staying with the grandparents and they have these like parties over the summer you know memorial day july 4th like they just host a lot of you know events and she knew gary well before because she kind of grew up there with summers and he's always been there so like they did know each other i've been gary since i was seven yeah like it is kind of yeah in a weird way yeah it's like yeah so he's coming out of a relationship divorced and in coming back to like the friend group and i actually never met gary because he when me and my wife together. He was out of the picture. I'm going through his stuff. So when he came back in the picture, the times that he came over for the parties, I was actually six. I never like left the

bedroom. So I never actually physically like met Gary even during that time. But I heard he was around and I heard of him. Well, turns out she started, again, I cut her off when we live there. So she's, you know, knowing what I know about her now, it's like, yeah, she's on the, finding her next source. and so that's kind of when she sunk her claws into and to Gary. They call him victims. In my in my indictment, they call him what he's on to his next victim. Yeah. Yeah.

No, for real though. Yeah. And so they started this relationship. And, you know, I don't know how in depth it was. But in August, we, you know, she got a place and told me that we're going to move out. And it was all figured out and handled. And she got her own place. Got a place for us.

But it was like a house, basically. Basically, I was like, the next move that we do, it's going to be, you know, a house. Like, we're not doing whatever this is anymore. But she figured it out. And she told me, I mean, it was kind of a weird thing. She said that she had this like single mother, what do they call it? Like a grant program like for single mothers. And I'm just like, hey, I already know you're lying about that because that makes no sense.

Right. And also, if that was a true. true grant. They're not going to give you, you know, it was basically a new build. I mean, the house, I think it was, it was in clear water. I think of the house itself, when I looked it up, it was probably like a $800,000 house. The rent on it alone was like $4,600. So I'm like, come up for a single mother, right? Well, yeah, I'm like, they're not giving grants. Yeah. Well, exactly. By the way, you're not single. And by the way, this isn't probably the, you know, they're not going to be doing any type of grants for this type of property, you know,

so that's how she, she told me. She's like, oh, they cover X amount. So like the rent would only be 900 and she basically was like I'm moving in there you can move with with me or without me and at this point we're with the grandparents I'm just like I don't know like so like me mom yeah so I'm just like you know fine so I you know I go but as I come to find out now Gary co-signed on that that place with her and it obviously wasn't a single mother grant program as you can imagine so Gary is now very involved in her life as I didn't didn't really know how involved at the time but I've come to find out how involved Gary is and the short and the long of Gary is over the course of six months July actually about four months he gave about $800,000 there yeah wow and this is where

what you mentioned earlier the cancer scheme well in my world at this point I pretty much know she doesn't have cancer. Because again, after she had our last baby, she was supposed to start all that treatment. We got evicted. It was kind of chaotic. But it's like I never, she never went on,

you know, treatments. And so, but that's kind of, as well. It's like, depends on who you talk to. You get a different story.

Well, in Gary's world, she still had cancer. Right. And my world and grandma's world, you know, we realize she didn't have cancer anymore. So do you ever ask her about that?

So when we moved there, she basically told me, and it turned out later on that she was searching for this, but on Google, but basically improvement. So basically from when we got to grandmas to when we moved into this next house in August, she was improving over that time. So she supposedly was in remission on our end from the grandparents and my end, you know, that she was in remission by like August and September. but again Gary she's you know made it Gary what I don't know the full facts on this but I know that she had probably you know Gary was the grandparents friend how would he not be like hey is your daughter your granddaughter have can't you know so she convinced him that you know don't talk to my soon be ex-husband I'm sure she's telling him all that stuff don't talk to my grandparents they're basically forcing us out of here so now Gary is like being isolated to not be able to fact

check and be talked to the grandparents like he doesn't talk to the grandparents. Right. Or anyone, does she have cancer? Does she not? He has her word in the gospel. And I think on social media, she said that it was stage four.

Like, it was, you know, when she did her lymphoma journey on. Yeah. Yeah, she got deep into the cancer journey, TikTok. It was TikTok and on Facebook was, I think, of the big ones. But she said stage four. And that kind of plays out.

in a lot of different ways. Stage four. Yeah. I mean, it's like six months to live, potentially. I mean, you're very settled.

Only are you bouncing back. Exactly. And on this podcast that we listen to kind of to do some research going into this, these, I guess what was that her ex-roomate still had her Gmail account where she could see her search history where she was searching up all these things about cancer pictures, cancer, kind of just like,

if you don't know anything about it, okay, what is this person going through? She's searching all this stuff. up on Google, right? Yes. Yeah. Her searches came out through a roommate at some point, but yes, and they found out that during these times where she needed to produce blood results. So if you go to like the Facebook group or the TikTok page, wherever it shows like she was sharing the journey about here's my blood work for. Right. The day before or that day, it's like,

what does, you know, your blood work show for this? Yeah. Like, how would you feel like when you get a fever? Like they correlate. So she's basically. Googling all that stuff and then the remission stuff like what would it labs look like if you're improving from like you know cancer how does that look you know and so essentially she's trying to now finagle i'm i'm getting better well yeah you got over half a million dollars like you know yeah i don't want to you don't want to you know die i want to live so i need to get better real fast so ended up being that she was in and again remission for us you know because we that's what we're told this she's going getting better she's in remission and um you know she's going to ring ring up ring the bell i

guess like the cancer bell at some point which she watched the movie exactly i mean and gary yeah yeah yeah probably feels like you saved her life well yeah and this is what i found out later in a lot of ways because she told gary that she not only you know has cancer doesn't have much to live but obviously you know she's living with you know an abusive husband obviously So she's trying to tell Gary that she's trying to escape me. This is why she needs the house. This is for all the kids. And, you know, basically, you know, Taylor's all the time.

Right. I mean, I was going to say, if there was ever a case for a man for abuse. People have said that all the line. Yeah. It's like, people are like, yeah, this. When the tide kind of turn, people are like, if you actually did punch her, I wouldn't have been upset. No. So, but for real.

So it's like at this point, we're seeing this all in a different life from what he's getting information on. And he's isolated. So he's not, you know, I'm sure he's being told once I get cured, we'll run off into the sunset. You know, you know, I just got to get away from my husband. And, you know, once I have my treatment and I'm better, I'm sure I'll be able to do more things with us. You know, I'm sure because it was probably strictly a lot of, you know, text and emails. Like, you know, I'm sick. I don't, you know, just reminds me.

There's a. I saw this on like TikTok or some of this story where this guy is this old a guy who's like whatever, a 60 year old walks in with like a 25 year old into a, to buy jewelry to a jewelry shop and he goes in there and he says, he says, listen, I want to buy her a ring, an engagement ring. And the jeweler comes back and he's like, okay. And he shows her like one carat. He says, no, I want something special for my girl here. Comes back with like a three carat.

He's like, that's not big enough. She's just like, oh my God, comes back with like an 11-carat diamond. And she tries it on. He says that that's the one. How much is it? It tells them how much it is. And oh, it's $45,000 or $80,000, whatever it is. I don't know how much diamonds cost.

But it's $80,000. He says, listen, you need to get her size. Okay, we'll size it. Well, this. He says, listen, I'm going to write you a check right now. We're going to come back on Monday and get the ring once you've got it size. And the check goes through. I know it's Saturday.

So, and, you know, or Friday, whatever. It's Monday a holiday. That helps too sometimes. And he gives him the check and he leaves with the girl. She's thrilled. And then on, on Monday, the, the jeweler calls the old man and says, hey, hey, listen, man, your check bounced like, like nothing's ever bounced before. He's like, there's no money in that account.

He goes, yeah, I know. But let me tell you about this weekend I just had. Sorry. Yeah, no, no. That's genius though. Do you have to return it then after? That's funny. So what you were saying is well, though, so after she's Googling, you know, how, you know, treatments getting better, blood work getting better.

So after she kind of leaves in December, you know, again, this is like our relationship is like obviously not great at this point. Right. So I hired a Pride Investigator to look into Lauren. I hired a Pride Investigator, look into the building dispute with Mrs. The new landlord because I was still like that was resolved, but I was like, I need to get to the bottom of all this stuff. So essentially she kind of has her back against the wall because I have now figured out like the cancer situation. I figured out the Jeff's situation at this point.

I have figured out the Lauren situation. So, like, I'll figure out all these things. And so I feel like kind of maybe similar with that story you mentioned earlier where like, yeah, her backs against the wall. Like, you know, she didn't, you know, fly a plane and miscalculate. But I feel like this was like her evact moment of like, all right, I got to get, I got to get a new life. Like everyone here knows that I have, I'm a fraud essentially. So I just get a new family. And like, so she just took off essentially.

So when she took off. When she took off to be with Gary? No. So this show. Yeah, I know. Oh, poor Gary. Gary was still in the pitcher because on Valentine's Day he sent her flowers too. So like Gary is not out of the picture yet.

So there might be hope for Gary because it'll be a few years before Gary fully cuts bait on this. Right. So he's still hanging around, if you will. But basically she met some other guys started seeing. But to what you were mentioning before, you know, if you, this whole, and going back to social media, like how do you explain why you live? left this person. Like, you know,

did you fake cancer? Well, yeah, he's abusive. I had to get away from him. All right. So does she take all the kids? No. No.

So all the kids are with, yeah. Yeah. No. No. No. No. Are you in the new house?

So we're still in that new house. Okay. At least you're not with, with, we're out of grandma. So yeah. We moved in there in August. So we were there for a few months.

And did I miss? Did you can, Did you like, hey, like, what's up with all these things? Did you, what's kind of the chaos for her? Yeah, so there's a loss. We will go back a little bit. So basically over the summer when we got the grandmas, like the cancer situation. So I finally called because she went to one of these chemo treatments.

And then when she got out of it one day, she was like, I need to have a surgery, like a spinal surgery. And so I'm like, okay, like what now, you know? But she didn't want me to go with her. This is, you know, 21-ish. So, like, I could have went to, like, Tampa General with her. Right. But she's like, no, you're going to go play golf. I'm like, I don't really want to play golf.

Like, if you're having a surgery, I need to be here. But it was just really weird behavior. The whole situation was weird. So we went. I said, you're the opposite of me. To me, I'm like, what? I was going to say, what did you shoot? Yeah.

To me. I actually playing pretty good that day, though. It always kills me when people say, when people are like, you know, well, my wife's having surgery, I need to be there. I'm like, to assist? Yeah. Like you're going to sit in a visitation. Yeah.

You might as well come to work. Yeah. Well, go play golf. Like, yeah. She's going to be out of commission for eight hours. Essentially, that was, that made me her theory. But yeah, so when we got to Tampa General, she was just like, I'm like, I'm going to park. I'll walk in.

Make sure you get there. She was like, no, you're not stepping a foot out of this car. Like, basically angry. Like, and I'm like, you're having a surgery. Like, I'm not trying to. She's here. She's here. I got to fake this whole thing for you.

Essentially. It's kind of like, I don't know if you watch Seinfeld, like when George went to the Hamptons for the fake Hampton house and he's like, fine, we have to go off here. It reminded me like driving to that. Yeah, he's like, we want to go. Yeah, we love to go to your house in the Hamptons. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

It's right around the corner here is your last year chance. So, yeah, it's like, I'm basically keep pushing her and pushing her to essentially, you know, have to fake and forge more things. Like, I guess I really do got to do this. So she gets out of the procedure. it's just weird. She acted more like drunk and loopy. And she's like, I'm like, I'll come get you. She's like, no, Uber to the golf course.

Like whatever. She might have been drunk and loop. She spent the last six hours as a bar. I think, yeah. Well, that's what I felt. I was just like, okay. And this is when I called, um, because I finally had a place that I could call Tampa General.

That's where she was supposed to have the surgery. The other place, you know, that she's getting like the treatments. I basically call them and I'm like, you know, my, my wife at the time, you know, she, what medication she's had a surgery? Here's her date of birth. Here's her first last name. And they're like, yeah, we don't have record of her. I was like, okay, let me try, like this other last name because sometimes she'd go by her maiden name.

And then I was like, let me go by her mom's maiden name because she would go, I mean, she got too many names. Cole, they're like, yeah, we have no record of any of this person here. I'm like, huh. What about the doctor? Nothing. I was like, I was like, doctor. Yeah, Dr. Rosenthal. Then we don't have a Rosenthal.

Yeah, nothing. Tampa General saying, I'm like, okay, maybe whoever. Well, who does this surgery? right yeah literally go to mop it yeah exactly so that's when i really was just like okay and then kind of the whole what we're talking about earlier where like you'd ask a pathological liar yeah yeah they just spin it and spin it or get i've gotten to a place where i don't even i don't even tell her about so at this point so like basically i am finding out about the cancer at this point basically in august when we're in the house this is kind of what i'm figuring out

you know, the Lauren situation, have the private investigator. She, the Jeff thing, I figured out because of the whole phone number where I typed it in. This was in all this stuff happened pretty much from August to October of 2021. Because again, I cut her off in March and I'm really just like, I got to figure my life out. So I'm like turning over every stone. So I'm figuring out the cancer situation. I figured out the Jeff situation, figured out the Lauren situation. And so do I tell her about all this. I don't. I actually hold on to this for basically until December because I'm just, you try, you're kind of trying to figure out an exit strategy. Yes. So when I'm in this house, I'm trying to figure out an exit strategy to this whole situation because, you know,

unfortunately, divorce and men is not a, it's not kind. Yeah. So, and I have the girls and I'm seeing just who this person is. And I'm like, do I want young girls grown up around this? So like, Like everything at this mode is like protection of what I have left, protection of them, trying to figure out truly like an escape plan. I got to save money. I got to, you know, get everything in order and start documenting this properly to show like this is, you know, who she, this person is in a sense. So just, just, no.

Just between you and me. Just you and me. Was there ever a moment lying in bed at night? And you thought some chloroform and a large suitcase. And I could come out of this looking pretty sweet. Yeah. No, there were many nights though where I mean, I mean, she even was mad because of how I did it. But there'd be many nights where I lay in bed and she's laying there.

And I'm just like, you are probably the worst person I could have ever met. And she gets so mad. But I'm like, I'm lying in bed. And I'm just like, this is all, you know, all roads are leaving back to you. You know, like, I was going pretty good. I met you. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So there was many nights of, yeah, where I'm just basically saying how, like, you are just the worst. Like I don't, you know, whoever ends up with you after this all, like, I, I don't wish this on anyone's life, essentially. Like, so yeah, at this point, she kind of knows, like, I know what she's up to. I'm, I basically, not happy. Ruin my everything.

And it's in a lot of sense. So, yeah, there's a lot of anger of, like, just. who are you and like why are you doing like what was the point of all this you know right so we lead up to christmas and christmas i think she was hanging on to christmas because we really you know things were not well at that point but after christmas is when she called the police on me for the first time ever and it was because she stayed out with the new boyfriend like the night the night before and i was questioning her heaven forbid and so in the police report it stated she never said there was any abuse, no crime.

Like basically she did this to, I think, start the pattern of her escape story that we'll hear on social media. You know, this is her first time calling the police saying that, you know, it never said abuse in there. She claims that in social media world that that's why she called them at that time and while she filed this, you know, a restraining order against me. But when you look at all the situations, she never mentioned abuse ever in those times. That's beneath her.

Well, at least he drew the line there. Yeah. You're right. Because that worried me a lot because it was just like, oh, she has to just say and they'll take you. You know, and you're, you know, ask questions later type of deal. Right. I think she did know. Like that would probably too far for her to maybe go on that.

So moving forward. Now, again, she's trying to predict that narrative or have that narrative. So that's when the fake abuse apps. So she's doing searches in January and February for fake abuse apps to create abuse photos. So essentially she'll have these photos and they'll have bruises on them and she's taking the pictures. I don't know how it works, to be honest, but. It's just like a filter. Like a filter.

Yeah, yeah. And you add a bruise. Yeah. Yeah. So now she knows that I have horrible. Because when the police came that first time, I kind of gave my hand because the police were a little bit, you know, they're never on the guy's side. I'll say that. So I basically was like, well, I have a private investigator. She's been, you know, pretended to be an attorney. Oh, and this is when she actually bought the domain name. So when we moved in

right into the new house in August, that's when she switched from Lauren to a Hunter law firm, LLC. And she bought that domain name for the attorney's office. And so everybody now in that email had attorney, you know, law office stuff, if you will. So now it was like a legit operation. Wasn't for the Gmail account. So basically I'm like, I saw that you paid for the domain name for this, for this whole law firm that you're pretending to be. You know, the Lauren situation, the cancer, the Jeff situation. I go, I have all this stuff.

And I've been building this up for, you know, basically I'm telling her this verbally, kind of in front of the police officer on purpose and a lot of ways and when i did that she i you know took off essentially and then that's when you know her mind it's like well it doesn't look so good so like i got to really play up this uh abuse thing and that's again when those those searches started no searches ever before that the searches started in january of 22 and february 22 and she you know saved them for a rainy day or uh so media in a few years. So that's kind of where her narrative had started to begin as far as, you know, why would you leave, you know, how do you leave your husband? How you leave your kids? Well, there has to be a reason for that. It's not like, oh, he caught me doing all this fraud.

Right. It's no, like, what, you know, what's more believable? Like, yeah, yeah. So that was her, her angle and her, uh, her narrative that she was starting to really build that, I won't say it paid off because she's been telling it for like two, three years at that point when, Everything went viral. And for me, I've heard about it, but I've never seen the photos. I've never actually, I've heard about it from different people. So when it all came to like ahead, it's like, oh, she's been telling this story for, for years now. You're going to parties.

People give you dirty looks. Yeah. What's wrong with Todd? Yeah. What's your problem? You, me, me what? Literally. And I would message people that were like around her and I would kind of say, hey, just so you know, this is who she.

is and then people would respond back to me obviously she's already poisoned that ahead of time they're just like well you've abused her like you know go away and I'm just like oh my gosh like so this is listen my buddy uh boziac had a girlfriend that contacted every single girl on his Instagram and told them that she had caught him like in bed with like like like a height like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a a middle schooler or something and that they broke up and he's disgusting and he's this he's that I mean oh I knew I had a girlfriend one time where her mother when she broke up with the boyfriend told the two daughters that she caught him in bed with another man and then two weeks later they're back together oh my gosh and she's like what about him and Bob like what is that oh it's I was a

misunderstanding on my part you said yeah didn't sound like a misunderstanding from what you described Yeah. Yeah. People are, yeah, psycho. It's crazy. And they have no problem doing all that stuff. Yeah. Creating all the drama and the chaos. And then it's just like, oh, yeah, whatever. To look at, we'll see, it's no big, you know, like I said, they don't get embarrassed. They don't, they don't feel embarrassment. Right. Yeah. No, exactly. So yeah. I mean, and then, you know, obviously I filed for divorce in February of 22. And she had already put out one false restraining order on me in January. And then, I mean, she's done like, on me. All were dismissed and and what was she alleging. So the first one is that I called her too many times and, uh, yeah, I mean, they're all like, yeah. Yeah. So they were all nothing to do with, you know, abuse in this in any scenario. But obviously like there was, you know, kids at that, you know, she wrote it up in a, in a way that it would be granted for the temporary. She never showed up to, you know, half of them. So we're still in that house that we moved into that has Gary and her on the lease.

Yeah. And the single mother house. Single mother house. Yeah. And I realized that too because she was always like, well, you're not on the lease. You got to get out of here. And I was like, oh, that was your plan all along. We moved in here.

You made sure I was on lease. But fortunately, it doesn't work like that. So I was like, I'm not leaving until I have to. And so eventually that $800,000 that she got from Gary, she blew that in six. in six months by by february of 22 she she she was out of money so she had a she's driving a nice car is she she bought a range rover in september she had to sell that to get some money back to even push her to a little for a few more months but yeah she would go to louis vaton and spend 50 000 uh she was traveling um i mean the just blow i mean in that amount of mine i mean 100000 a month

essentially just being blown. Is she spending money on the kids? I mean, they have everything. No. No. I mean, yes and no. I mean,

it's not like they're, you know, they have private school paid for like they could over anything like that. But, you know, they got clothes and some toys and stuff like that. But yeah, it's not like,

hey, you know, she didn't even prepay the rent. She got to prepaid the whole rent for the year. Right. But we started getting eviction notices, um, around April.

And I already seen the movie. And that's why I was like, people, as I'm telling the story now, people are like, oh, haven't you paid for it? or stepped in and it's like this is the Titanic.

This is going down. Like I'm not adding any more fun to this. Like I am going to be getting my own place. Yeah, my own sitter. Elise is in her name. Thankfully. Yeah. Let her.

She's getting evicted actually. Yeah. So like I've seen this movie. I saw this. I figured this is how this was going to end. The moment I set foot at this house. So I'm basically buying time. And eventually in May, that's when, you know, officially we, you know, I get my own place.

And she goes. to Cora. I don't know if you're familiar with a Cora apartment complex. But Cora is this like downtown high rise in Channelside. Well, okay. Yeah, it's like there's a ton of really, really nice places down in channel. Yeah. It's like near Heron and all that. But basically she said on her application that she made $300,000 a year. And I guess they don't double check those things. Looks good to me. Like, so she got in there. So she moved in. She moved in. She, she, she moved in. to this apartment complex did not ever give them a single dollar ever. But she lived there from May, June, July.

She was finally evicted in August. So only four months, but she was able to truly finagle that and get in there for four months and not give them a dollar after, you know, we kind of went to our other ways. And meanwhile, I filed for divorce. And our divorce took about a year. So we got officially divorced in May of 20,

23. So throughout 22, you know, she's kind of just running around. She doesn't see the girls. She's not really seeing her other kids. Um, just, just where are the other kids? Like, where are all four kids with you? So up until January of 21 or 22, January 22 when, um, when I filed basically. That's when the kids were with me. And then she hired a sitter to watch the kids during the day. So she didn't have to be there. But her old. But her old. Um, when, um, when I filed. Um, when I filed. And then she'd have to be there. But her old. But her old. And, her kids were with the dad and or the sitter. So she wasn't really watching the daughters. The S.A. dad that was not that one, but the daughter's dad. So the oldest daughter's dad. This is her second, her second oldest kid. Have you ever talked to that guy? The I did actually. I see. So you say, I don't know where this is coming from. Yeah. I mean, kind of. A great experience. Yeah. Kind of. It was kind of weird actually. When I did speak with him, the one and only time on the phone i'm like you know hey you know she doesn't have a car anymore she just had to sell her um the range over back because she has no money i'm like you know that she is

basically has no car her license was suspended because she got a lot of parking ticket basically i'm giving him like you know what i think is like very solid advice because of what i'm seeing and his his response essentially was like i you know now honestly he didn't doubt like he doubted it, but he basically, yeah, essentially didn't believe me. He's just like, well, I see her have a car. She's picking up, you know, his daughter. I'm like, well, you do know she's living like in a one bedroom with like some random dude. And he's like, no, I don't think so. She tells me, she sends me pictures that I'm at, you know, Aaron's house. And I'm like, oh, man, you are deeper than I imagine because, no, those photos like, because I saw that early on,

which is what I used to protect my daughters. I'd be like, hey, where's your other kids? She would send pictures to me even of her older kids pretend like she was with them but she was actually never with them they would be with like a sitter she'd ask the sitter to take a picture of the kid sent it to her and then she would send it to the dad and be like oh yeah she's right here meanwhile you know took two people to get that photo so right so he's none the wiser and he feels good about it but at the other day yeah she's going home to this boyfriend's house at a one bedroom and he's watching And the two kids. Yeah.

And the sitter is watching either the older kids. I guess I should say that. So on the days that she's supposed to have them, the sitter takes them. Right. And on the days that he's supposed to have them, obviously, he does take them. So they're not with her. And you have the two young. Not the two youngest.

Yeah. Full time. And so when you get divorced, is that how that works out? The judge awards you? So when we were, because that's what, has been going on for like the last year because that that when she left it was basically beginning you can say end of 21 22 so by the time that we got to may of 23 because i had them full time and she had really no time with them it helped a lot to get full custody because the judge had already

understood that her housing is disabled mind you she lived at the the boyfriends and then the core house and then she had another boyfriend and so she had like six And she's got multiple evictions on her. Multiple evictions. So essentially that weighed a lot because, yeah, I could show the judge that essentially I've had them full time and she's had little to no time with them. So that was, you know, how it was able to be written up. But the real factor of all of it, I guess, too, is it was written up for me to have

100% full day and night, holidays, weekends. But because of all these crimes that we've been talking about, you know, when you're married, you go to the police. I mean, I remember going to police with like a binder. I'm like, you know, here's all the things that have, you know, these crimes that have been committed against me. And I try and leave out the person until like the very end. Like these are all crimes.

This is what this person did. This person did. And then it's like, well, who is this to you? It's like, you know, my wife or soon to be at depending on the time. Right. Oh, that's going to be civil. Here's your binder. Yeah.

Have a good day. You know. So in, when you're married, it just really. it's that's such a different dynamic of did a crime commit are you married you know so they really wash their hands to it so i i put all that stuff in our divorce like you owing me for xyz all this stuff so i i was able to get it done in divorce court so to speak wasn't criminal court but i was able to get um a lot of her a mission i didn't i i heard about the coffee shop there's just so much yeah it was the coffee shop.

And doesn't she get arrested for like check fraud or something? Yes. That's in the, in 23. Okay. So yeah. The coffee shop is actually a big one. Honestly,

it's just so much. I usually have like an outline because it's truly like, and it's not just like, like you said, it would be so much simpler. Like this happened. Detective solved it. Put it away. New one. No,

this is going. And then you're on to this. It's the next. I mean, She's juggling multiple little scams. Yes. So the coffee shop, she always wanted to open a coffee shop. And when we moved into the single women house, Gary's money involved and all that,

she's like, you know, and again, I cut her off in March. I'm trying to get out of this situation. I'm not trying to go deeper. Right. So when she mentioned coffee shop, she wants to open, I'm like, I don't. Yeah. Like, don't count me in. You have cancer supposedly.

we have we have four kids um our lives are you know we're just we're living with your grandma three months ago like like like yeah let's start a coffee shop like no like that's not you know we don't have any time for this and she wanted she had like a part-time job supposedly at a special need school during this when we moved in there but that that was purely a cover to be able to get out of the house get out of the house or they had events you know they would do events at Lightning games and football games. So that was a cover to drag these, especially these kids to the lightning out on Saturday night. Yeah, yeah.

They're going out at half time. Yeah, yeah, like fun. Yeah, they're like, oh, we're fundraising. So like, yeah, you realize, like, a lot of the things that she lies about as far as having a job, they have the most flexibility that you could ever want. It's like, I could be at home sometimes. I could be at the office sometimes. We might have like a field trip or, you know, volunteer events at a bar. Like, yeah, it's like, okay.

So they always had this like. you know, flexibility to them that you could never keep her in a spot, you know. So she wanted to open this coffee shop and I'm like, I want to out, I'm done. We got too much going on. Want nothing to do with it.

One of her other best friends at the time, her name is Lindsay and she's a realtor. And so she's been driving around for, you know, pretty much from like August, September to like find a place. And apparently they found a spot in like downtown clear water to open this like coffee wine bar,

Lulus. We joke now. we call it deloulouse right but essentially she i'm out of luke's i don't want anything to do with it but so she tells me she signs the lease and then two weeks later she's like i don't i had to change it hard essentially i don't want to do it anymore which yeah as you know they pulled her credit yeah well they said you need to have your husband sign on it and she's like you know most people that'd be like yeah that's going to be a deal breaker and whatever you know because she knows not like there'll be no chance.

So what she does instead is she creates an email very close to my email. And it's off by a number. And she has her realtor friend sent her the contract there to my email, but it's not mine, to the one that she created. So she signs and forges my name on this coffee shop to get the approval for the coffee shop. So I was on the hook for this coffee shop. I didn't know it for many months, but she basically did that around October of 21. So she is.

Did they open the coffee shop? Coffee shop never served a cup of coffee. Okay. Had plans made. I think she, we, I kind of joke about it. I want to find the footage so bad. She got like a hard hat from like Home Depot and a hammer and like hammered a wall. And then if I would drive by there like a couple times,

maybe like once a once a month or whatever like that same hole of the wall never like it just this was just a you know facade of this the part with gary is like did gary think he was investing in a coffee shop is this like you know this is just another her thing of like well i'm opening a coffee shop i'm going to do all the stuff that makes it look like it but you go by there's not a table in there there's not a machine like there's nothing that says it's a coffee shop did you ever talk to gary so i'd actually never talked to gary he would never talk to me because i you know been poisoned by her yeah like anything i have like i'm the liar in this yeah yeah so gary don't do anything with me if i try and reach him on like a burner number or anything like that like he

already had my other number blocked when i had tried to reach out so like yeah no communication so essentially this coffee shop well she doesn't obviously pay run on that either so all of a sudden they sue her well i find out about it because i got sued with it i think for going back to the divorce situation, I had that in our agreement because I had discovered that I was forged. So I sent them the divorce agreement that said she forged my name and they thankfully took me, took me off of it. But she basically wanted this coffee shop so bad that she was willing to create a fake email and a fake number to communicate with like the owners of the building because they're like when they were when this all started happening, they're like, well, we talk to you.

you told me this and that. I'm like, yeah, I'd love to see those messages. Like, you were talking to her, you know, if you haven't figured that out. So it's like she's emailing back and forth with them. She's texting with them as me, signs my name on the coffee shop and just none the wiser. So, yeah, just one, again, one thing after the next. What? So there was that, when did she get arrested?

So you got in 2023? Yeah. And the coffee shop was when? 22. So the lawsuit was in 22, but she opened it and signed it October of 21. Okay. And then the lawsuit came in like 22, maybe early 23 around that time. And we had already signed the stuff so I could get off of it.

Right. So yeah. So actually it was January, maybe February of 23. She had a bank account and she wrote a check to another bank to open up an account. And, you know, big checks like that. I'm not too familiar with that type of fraud, but from what I understand it's actually like called like check kiting. Check kiting.

Yeah. And so I believe she knew the manager at the second bank. And I think they did they were doing her a solid. Because of the guy that she was dating at the time. He, the guy managing the bank knew her boyfriend and her boyfriend. I would say was, you know, had money. So she wrote. this check and the guy cashed it for her sooner than it should have well because it worked well and

then like an hour later maybe the next day once it cleared she cleared the whole all of it out like she took that it was like ten thousand dollars well she goes back the next within a short period of time why was it take maybe five days to clear so she went back probably in three days before it fully cleared and gave another check for 10,000 so they already cleared the first one And then they cleared the second one all. And then they all came back. Right. Bad.

And so she had check hiding, I guess. 20,000 and bad checks. Yeah. I think it ended up being, I think they caught the second one. And it might have been like 12. I think they gave her a partial of the second one. Maybe not the full one. But yeah, it ended up being where she took that money and removed it like immediately.

And so what day? Did she go back to the bank and they called the police when she grabbed the bank? Yeah. So according to the police report, because I wasn't with her at this time. But what I understand is that they did call the police and they did a whole investigation. So she wasn't even probably, from what I understand, she wasn't really aware of like this whole thing going on. Because this happened in like January and February. And she didn't get arrested until I think September or October of that same year.

23. So they had the whole investigation going on, put out like a warrant for her arrest, you know, and try to, like, go through all that stuff. And then she was, and when she got arrested, she basically was saying that it was an account of mine. Like, she's still throwing me under the bus. Like, obviously, I can't catch a break. So she said it was a joint account that we had. And once we left, I closed it. And she had already wrote the, you know, the check, which doesn't make sense and doesn't match the records. Exactly. It sounds good for the. the internet and like oh yeah that could happen but when you really think about it yeah but the people to bank no better people the bank whole investigation the checks have her name on it like i was never interviewed obviously either so yeah when you get down to like the brass tax of it like you're yeah you're right it's like there's just no way that was ever have anything to do with me but that's what she told everybody because she had also told all the friend group that she was with at the time you know how bad i am so i think she she she just knew anything bad that happens to me blame it on the X. Like he's, he's always, he's just still trying to screw me over. So yeah,

so she got arrested. And then she recently, that had a hearing, I think, beginning of this year, or maybe the end of last year. Actually, I think it was in February this year that were, I think she paid it and I don't know, got a slap on the wrist. Right. Yeah, it's a financial crime. Yeah. It's minor at this point. Yeah. That's not a lot of money anyway. You probably got probation or something at most. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. So that check kiting. situation with the Chase Bank was the original bank and then Sea Coast, I think, was the one that she was trying to open up. And I think how she really pulled it off again was the man, like she knew the manager there. Right.

And I think he did something they probably shouldn't have done. And obviously, yeah, you can kind of screw over people. It's hard to maybe even battle them, but you do it to a business like a bank. Like they can like, so that's what I think that was her mistake on that. So leading up to all this, yeah. So we're getting to say 23. So 24 is kind of on the heels of, you know, the cupcake video. Basically, you know, she has ran from our lives essentially.

I'm, you know, raising our daughters. And throughout the divorce, this is when I had my page. I didn't really post a lot of stuff. But I'm like, I know that you have done. Like, I have this binder full of all these things. Right. And on your social media, you're acting. like you're this single mother and like you know whatever just your persona you know you're a con

artist and like you are now trying to i want to say like scam more people at the time but financially i think it's just to me it's just the scam of like pretending of who you're not who you are right and so um actually she scammed another guy for um did you see that video what what's in the police where he's in the police station. I forgot. Oh, yeah. I forgot. Yeah. Like there's a, sorry, I messed that timeline up badly. Yeah, that's fine. So right after the divorce, and this is again, right after our divorce was finalized in May of 23, again, they told me, wait, you know, go through the legal channels and do all that stuff. Well, we were now officially divorced. So I walk up to the department. I said,

here's, here's all the stuff that has been happening. You know, that has happened. And so you say that they're like, well, that's, you know, civil. So right. And I go, yep, it was all handled civilly, but you should look into this or at least be aware of this. Well, she met the next guy. We'll call him just RP. I don't know for privacy. She met him at a bar that same month, end of May, April, May time. And she's like, I'm dying of cancer.

And I have six months to live. And she was in a coma. I put her in a coma. My her ex put her in a coma. So like, again, this is like all these things that like just hit on, I don't know, buttons or sensitivities. Like, you know, this guy is like, wow, I got to, you know, maybe help her. Yeah, this poor thing. And she happens to be attractive.

Yeah. Which is a huge plus. Yeah. Because let's face it. If she was 60 pounds overweight and unattractive, I'd be like, good luck to you. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah.

Sounds like a problem. You problem. Tough one. Yeah. you're going to get through this. Yeah. Not a boy, that a girl. So, and so he got hooked in. First thing was $1,000 for her daughter's party that she wanted to do.

Well, I don't know all the details other than what I've heard on the reports, but how it sounds, it's kind of like I blinked and then I'm $500,000 deep. So within two years, it's $800,000 for one guy, half a million to $600,000. hundred thousand for another guy plus other cash and credit cards so i mean you know on a on the short end of it i mean you might be looking at like a one and a half million but i think it's probably closer to like three to four potentially yeah and on that and on this most recent guy you're talking about uh like his son i guess had kind of found out i think this is a scam i think it's a fraud and there's body cam footage of this guy going into like the police station saying like hey like

I think I've been scam by whatever. So yeah, there's, from the videos that we've watched, there's a bunch of all these stories. There's like proof of it online of the screenshots or the body cam footage, all this type of stuff. So exactly. And so, you know, they went to the police and said, you know, took all this money from me and, you know, look into it.

And so I don't know if that's still being investigated or not on that end. but they said they did get like the FBI involved on it. But they were, you think if they got the FBI involved in that, that they would tie it into yours. They would say, hey. They, yeah,

they probably will. Yeah, like, hey, this woman's, this is a serial, um, scam artist or whatever you want to call it.

You know, serial frauds are like, you know, and you're, there's multiple men involved and you're one of them. Yes. You know, and you've got a ton of documentation too.

Exactly. Exactly. else does but well and that's what they i've started to hear that they you know they you know the whole ex you know scorned x the whole ex-husband's theme is you know how it's played out but i have heard that when they have talked with them they're like you should probably treat him as a victim right uh and not like this ex because of all this stuff you know so yeah so she does so all of basically 23 um from may of 23 all the way through basically january so like a whole other almost year she's now living off of another half a million dollars sure enough by January yeah just run

run dry again so she spends it faster than you know she can get it trips uh concerts lavish outfits everything like that and then like you said where it came October and the son got aware of it and the sun started like going through the bank accounts because the dad's older right and it's like this is gone, this is gone. Like, this is, you know, catastrophic. It's like, why, why are you doing all this? Well, she was sick and needed, you know, it's just like that story. So again, going back to the whole cancer bigger picture at that time when when the go fund me and our situation, I mean, it was never like that.

So the cancer monetary scheme, I think she realized it was more profitable, more one-on-one with somebody. Right. Who doesn't know. And I can really. It's taken forever. though. I mean, it's really. She's battling the hell out of this floor. She's a fighter.

You got to admit that. Like, let's give her that. Yes. I don't know anybody that's going stage four answer. Two years. Years into it. She looks, it's looking better or better.

Yeah. That's the thing is kind of joke about that because it's like, well, you're going to die in six months. Well, I just need like 200 more K. Well, you're dying in six months. Like, I mean, is that going to make a difference? Like, so. So they just keep. you know and this is the part where who knows that that will ever come out the whole inner workings

of how she phrased things and how she said things but it's a combination of what she did with gary you know abusive relationship dying of cancer trying to escape it and you know potentially i don't know relationship wise but i'm sure there was always that once i get cured of everything and divorced i'm sure we can all be you know we can be together yeah like that just always that rainbow at the end of the road. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. So they end up, you know, I want to say homeless, but they, I mean, they lost a lot of money. But how I figured everything out is, is pretty crazy, I guess. Well, I basically was able to get into the emails. Right. I got into the emails of the bank account. So like when she would, you know, we'd be texting or whatever, it's like,

what are you doing? I'm here or there. And I see like, well, you're in St. Augustine and you just bought a coffee. Right. So I basically now, you know, when this, this. was all developing to get away. I'm seeing all the behind the scenes. I'm seeing her all the emails. I'm seeing all her bank statements. So like I'm basically like, what are you doing? What's up? Oh, you didn't, you know, I didn't actually tell her this. But in my head when she tells me the law, like I'm out of movie. No, you're in Orlando. You just made a purchase at Universal Studios. Right. Right. It's just like, I'm literally now seeing all the stuff she's doing and just, you know, tracking it. So it makes it a little there. I'm visiting my mother in Ocala. And you're like, No, you're in Miami at a fucking concert.

Yeah, there was, there was, did do that. There was one thing about the, about a concert. Like, she was posting on social media and then these girls that were doing those podcasts, they're like, and then the next night, that night she was in Miami at encore or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In our scenario, it was around January 21 when she left. She told me her friend OD'd back home in Indiana, and she had to go be there for, like, her funeral and all this stuff.

well, I found receipts for her in St. Augustine with her, the new boyfriend, if you will. So, yeah, so she's telling me people are dying up here, and she's out, you know, she's always. This two-hour video that we listened to with these girls, they were so detailed, so research, and even they were saying, like, there's literally so much more that we can't even get into. And you can tell they have spent, I asked Matt, told Matt before we started this, I'm like, I wonder how many hours. They did probably tens of hours. They did.

They did about. And they're still just like, yeah. Because there's the, there's so many different. And to me, the one that I started at all was, was my business with the whole eviction thing.

Yeah. I still think there was foul play with a nursing home. And the, the new landlord taken over and all that. Like that to me was like kind of the original, you know, thing in my mind. Because I have a feeling that lady who is just a tenant in the building,

like had something to do with it. Oh, with that, but not sure that didn't tie in your. Not tying mind. And I in in. Because that's pretty bizarre. Yeah.

And so yeah. I mean, if I if she if came out later that there was, I would just be like part for the. Like I would not. I would totally believe it. But I just yeah. It's just I like to say that now. She had nothing to do with that. I don't put anything faster though.

So where um, the question is where were you when she did the, uh, when that video came out? The cupcake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You should play. Yeah. I'll play it.

Yeah. Can you kind of explain it for someone who hasn't? Yeah. Because everything at this point. Do you want the lead up to it? Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, but I was going to say at this point, isn't she kind of, kind of, not out of your life, but it's moving in that direction. Yeah.

So that's what's interesting about it. So real quick on that. So January of 24, she shows up to my job, bawling, crying. I haven't seen her in probably six months. And she is telling me, I won't say everything. I want to hear, but again, for me, it's just about the girls and the kids. But she shows up to my office and parking lot crying, begging. I mean, I've never, I mean, she's always, you know, lied about stuff.

But I'm just like, I don't know. I'm not doing this again. Yeah. Well, she showed for like two weeks. So we started to have better communication for the first time in probably two to three years. So we were actually before this cupcake video. I don't know if you even have heard online, but people are like, oh, I was sleeping on our couch for like six months. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're

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So basically from January to May when they're. her birthday was we were actually for the only time i would say she was consistent we probably would go there once or twice or in the week and then one night on the weekend so she could spend time with them and again i just never trusted her but it's not a relationship you're just staying on the couch exactly and there'd be even times where i'm on the couch and she's like can you do a bath or whatever i'm just like this is your time i go you treat me like i don't exist here right i'm sitting here i'm just making sure that they you know you don't leave them because i know that you're done that in the past where or take off there for take off like you know you have no rates at

this point so like I think even though I'm here don't think of me as here is like you know you were doing all the stuff you know obviously within reason I'd help her but at the same time it's like this is quote unquote your time I'm just supervising so that was all the lead up and then the Friday before her birthday her birthday was on a Sunday that Friday what she's like I'm going out with my friends and again we didn't get in all the stuff she did over the last couple years but this girl has gone out with her friends, 360 nights a year, you know, out of the 365. So it's like, so when it all kind of broke, it's like, well, how would you not let her go out with her friends? Like, how horrible are you? Well, it's like, this isn't that scenario. You know,

everyone doing it a night off and go do all this stuff. But when you have been gone for this amount of time, I told her that Friday night, I said, if you're going to go out with your friends and not spend the time with them, this isn't working for them. We've been doing this for three, four months now. It's not working for me. It's definitely not working for them. So if you need to go out with your friends, you know, handshake, like you have a good game. Like we're moving on, you know. And so she went out with her friends and all weekend, she was upset. And I should mention the Thursday before she went out, she got an eviction notice, shocking, a three-day eviction. And she told me that they did it that way because Monday was a holiday, Memorial Day. And then Thursday,

you know they don't want evict you on the weekend so it like bought her like two extra days so i think it was a culmination of the eviction of being evicted out of that place me saying we're done you know we're going back to not having communication about them and then just you know feeling sad in a sense so she all of a sudden on sunday was home and probably realizing like i'm getting evicted out of this place spent all the money that i have had like the jig has been is like it's about to be I don't know what to do. And then, yeah, she put, I guess, press his play. I don't know if the tears came first or the play button, but, you know, it's like,

start crying and then record or you're recording and then it starts crying, but, you know. Making cupcakes. Yeah. I will say probably no cupcakes for me that night. Yeah. Poor, poor, poor, poor, yeah. Can you find the video? Are you going to play the video?

I just, I just searched it. Elizabeth Cupcake Mom. And that was our wedding song, actually. So, yeah. So if there's a song playing, yeah, I won't be able to do it. But it's, I mean, it's a crying girl, literally unboxing cupcakes. And it says being a single mom is making your own birthday cake on your birthday so that your babies can feel happy.

They are singing to you. And she's just crying, making cupcakes. Do they, do they really? She's got a song playing? It's the, uh, the, uh, the thousand, years. And it was our, it was our wedding song,

actually. So, Oh, I love you for a thousand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that was our wedding song on top of it, which I thought was a little like a jab. So it's like.

And at this current time, like in current day, like today, the TikTok, as do you know, like social media is are not up right now. Hers are on private right now. Her Instagram might be open.

Because this is just. from some random person who reposted this. But at the time that this video was posted, I mean, it went viral. Yeah. So with viral, yeah, I mean, obviously, who knows why all things go viral, but it was, yeah, the connection of like single moms

being like this poor lady, you know, she, whatever the husband, you know, people were implying things about all these things. That bastard husband of hers. All these things. Yeah, right. It's like all these things and like, you know, and then some people were just like,

who, you know, kind of like, yeah, do you cry and then like, oh, let me record this. Like, you know, it's like, who cries on. So, so in reality, I actually stayed back for about five days. So it did take about, how did you find that? I mean, how did you even find out? Somebody sent it to you? So she posted it and I, I kind of saw the video. And I was just like, I'm like, well, like, what are you doing essentially?

I'm just like, this is just, like, this is what I hate about social media. It's like just so cringy to begin with. And then, yeah, it went by. I got like sent like a bunch of my friends. throughout the week, send me the video and all this stuff. And then there's a combination of people that are, I mean, she was actually getting destroyed online. People were just like calling her like all these things and just kind of making fun of her.

So I was kind of like, all right, I, you know, but the thing that kind of changed for me was she created a fake domestic violence charity. And yeah. So it never, it never ends. Yeah. And so two months prior, I started seeing the, she had a website made. She was starting to do a few videos. And after this all blew up on Thursday, and maybe it was Wednesday, Thursday, the pay button or donation button became available.

And I know all that I know. And I go, oh, my gosh. And so that was actually, I actually wasn't even going to make a video because, again, she was getting just destroyed. You know, there's people going back and forth. Why it blew up a lot is just, yeah, people were having, everyone had. Everyone had an opinion about it. Men, women, everybody, because of just the whole crying on camera and the scenario. So she was kind of getting destroyed.

But when I saw her fake charity all of a sudden where people could pay, I know the narrative that she's about to go with. You're not going to do a fake charity off of me. That never happened. And the fact that you have now hundreds of thousands of people, you know, feeling sorry or bad and all of a sudden there. Did you think the cancer might be coming back? I figured that was going to become a sin. You know, that's all that. And you're not going to believe this.

Yes. Yeah. On top of it. The cancer came back. Yeah, exactly. I just beat it too. I know. It's crazy.

It was just a revision. Yes. And with her, yeah, it's like you, you just know, like the next, the next thing. And so when the pay button was open, that's when I was like, I should probably let people know that they probably should not donate to this. In my video, though, because I was told that the FBI was already looking into the fake charity. So I didn't actually include it on my response video because I don't know, FBI investigation. Like, I didn't know what if I should. Plus, it's better.

The more money she gets donated. Like I don't want to stop people. Potentially. The more money she gets donated when the FBI finds out that's a fake charity. Yeah. Oh, no. They'll be like, oh. The more money she got, the higher her.

the higher the more much she's doing in prison. I was going to say probably in hindsight, probably should even just let that go. But that was the thing I was worried about with people. But in hindsight, like, yeah, I mean, who knows how long that would have taken? I forget. You're concerned about people.

I know. My concern is get them in jail. Yeah. You guys will lose a couple hundred bucks apiece. Yeah. They're going to get it. Yeah. So that was, you know, kind of that dilemma where I was like,

all right, I should probably, you know, say something. And then she deleted. you know, with my response came out, like, obviously everything had like shifted and, you know, and she went away. Like, she deleted her account that night. And then Saturday the next day, that's when she got on and just went into all the allegations of DVSA, financial abuse. Basically, she was a stay at home single mom and she, I left her with no money. And it's like, does Gary know that? So like and then you know essentially She mentioned I was a Scientologist

Oh yeah There's this Scientology aspect which opens up a whole other Are you a Scientologist? I'm not a Scientologist now Because I solve this one thing where they were talking about Well no was it the two women that The website They mentioned it's in Clearwater

It is the home of Scientology I thought boy that ties in pretty good Well that's in that exactly And then there was a website that had some Scientology stuff on it. So they were thinking that, you know, I built the website. I'm a Scientologist, all these things. And like, obviously, if you're a Scientologist,

like you can't say you're not a Scientologist. Right. So for me, it was, you know, bringing that up for her. It was another tactic of people being like, oh, that makes sense, why he has a whole page about her and all, you know, all these things. You know, Scientologist, this and that. Going after you for leaving the church or the marriage.

Right. And he's obviously abuse of it. And, you know, obviously, you know, she was a stay-at-home mom. So she had no money, you know, essentially all her narratives now that she was pushing Jets ahead. And, you know, I'm somewhat of a normal person. I have a job. I have the girl. Like, I have everything to lose, I guess is what I would say.

Right. So, like, do I want to get into a, and I don't do so. Like, I just started social media and I've never, the my response video was the very first video I ever sat in front of a camera and, like, spoke in front of a camera. Right. To, like, post all my other videos before that were like. pieces of paper or like documents I would screenshot and like put words on it to like me you know music and pose so this is the first time I'm like in front of the camera so I'm like very not good at like social media that aspect and this is going crazy viral I'm like I don't know if I'm going

into this whole battle back and forth tick talk war right and I'm like you know I have a job I have the girls like you know she has nothing like I could lose I have more to lose than she does and she's better at social media and then I am and I you know I don't can't cry on camera either. I don't have that working against me. So, you know, as this built up and then the bigger creators took it over, they were starting to spread like her words. And it's like, well, that's, her words are not true.

Right. And so it started really, like on my page, I was just getting destroyed attacked. And like, yeah, we do, you know, the podcast were coming out and like this guy, you know, all the, like, I mean, I was destroyed, you know. Yeah. And I saw some, like, some of them were the, the one where. some of these women were just talking about her like everything she said was gospel and then they were like like we said about the pictures of like you know he says that she doesn't have custody of the kids and never sees them

and well that's not true she obviously has custody because I have photo we've seen photos of her with their children it's like what does that fucking mean right it's not like he doesn't he's not letting her see the kids right I mean she can see the kids right you know that doesn't a photo doesn't prove the truth of like right um was the other thing that, oh gosh, there was another one that where they were, oh, and then they, they completely disregarded the, the cancer thing. No, like they don't even address it. Right. Well, she's not perfect. She's not perfect.

She's a fraudster. I know, I know fraudster. She's a fraudster. Yeah. Like, well, that's what, you're right. They started having this narrative like, well, we all make mistakes. That's not a mistake. Like, trust me.

I can't go in front of the judge that you're on. Yeah. Yeah. We all make mistakes. Yeah. Exactly. I know. Well.

Yeah. You can't just chalk this into the mistake pile. Like, oh, we all live and learn, you know. It's like, no, this is not. How many times have you fake cancer? Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

At least twice. Well, in her case, it's been three times now because, again, going to I feel like there's a. It may be just a brain tumor. Yeah. When she, if she ever, heaven forbid, does, can you imagine how, I don't think she ever going to be able to tell anybody. It's like, if she actually gets, it's like,

I don't think she's, like, I don't think she's, could ever tell us all. Everyone's going to be like, no, you don't. She's got followers now. She still has a pretty big following. That's insane. And they're still, she posts, it's like, go off, sis, like, pop-all. Like, they're like, and it's almost, again, from a mental health standpoint, it's like,

she doesn't need that, you know? It's like, they're encouraging this. Like, like, man, like, you don't know the help there. Some people love that. Some people listen. Some people go to Mask Artisan crash. Yeah. And that's what it is.

Yeah. And that's what's happened, you know, since she's gone private because she's trying to come back. I don't know if you saw the recent one, but she went to, she said she went to rehab a couple months ago, 25 days, right? And rehab for what? Is there a drug problem? Was there a drug problem in this whole thing? Yeah, I actually told a joke on live the other day where I was like, you know, this scenario where she got a dog and she gave it to Gary actually to watch and told. Poor Gary.

Gary, yeah, but this dog was special. This dog can detect her seizures for her cancer. So Gary was watching this dog on the weekend so she could go hang out with her boyfriend. And so Gary's watching this seizure special dog. You know, and so I was basically just like, yeah, what do you go to rehab? Like, is there a pill for this path? Like this scenario that just happened, you made up a story about your dog, you know, detect seizures. You gave it to Gary for every weekend so you go out of town with your boyfriend.

I don't think that's a take, you know, take three pills and call me on Monday. Like that is a deeply rooted, you know, issue in a sense. Like you just can't, you just can't overlook that in 25 days, let alone probably two to three years, you know. So it is a 25 day treatment like, yeah, it's not really a drug rehab. Is it for lying? Like this is deeper. This is way deeper. You need 24 hour care for months at a time with many professionals.

So she tried that angle, try to come back. And people kind of trashed her, yeah. They went private. There was people saying, and who knows how the truth is this, just what I heard on this podcast listening coming over here, is that this facility that she said she went to, she said she did 25 days outpatient when she was like going every single day. But outpatient, like you don't go every single day in the,

and this facility only has like 30 days the minimum that you could do. Or it's like there's no, there is no 25 day program. And yeah, it's not a 25 day program. And when she went off, said that she was going off social media to go to this and came back, it was like a tight 24, 25 day window. But yeah, the weekends, they're supposed to not open. And, you know, obviously they don't have a, they have a 30 day, not a 25. So basically on her video that she posted, we were kind of joking that she just walked up

the door and like touched the doorknob and then walked, maybe ask for a brochure or something. But there's no way she went in there. So she, you know, she's been trying to come back because, you know, she has, like you said, she has still a huge following on there of the, of these people that are still somewhat supportive and are still believing not everyone, but a lot of people still believe this abusive narrative, uh, escaping. And yeah, I'm keeping the kids from her and these different things. And yeah. So, you know, she's just obsessed with social media. And that's what I think the perfect storm of it all is, you have someone like me who I don't never really been into social media.

don't necessarily want to be in social media. Right. I'm kind of forced here, so I'm, I'm embracing it a little bit. But for her, she loves to go viral. She wants to go viral. This is what she wants to do. No problem lying about anything. Right.

And so you have this perfect storm of like someone that has no lines. And me that's like, I don't feel, I don't even want to like, say any lie or do anything like out of the, out of line, so to speak. So I try and keep my hands clean and she has no problem, you know, getting them dirty. And so when it got just so big. I still kept my page up because I just felt like it's a right thing to do, but I would post only like, you know,

back to like audio, you know, like clips of like what I call it blue text. Right. Essentially like statements because it just got so rough. I would do a live and they're just like you're a RAP, you know, like you're,

you're, you're abuser like basically like I'm just like, oh my gosh. Like, you know, there's such scumbags. And people are brazen in the, you know,

in the comments. And I mean, there are the guys that will come on here and tell their story. And, like, I've seen three articles saying that they did this, they did this, and then guys will write in the comment section. They'll write, like, he's lying. That never happened. I'm like, well, I saw his indictment. I know he was released from, you know, prison.

Like, I can see the release online. There's three articles about it. Like, what parts he lying about? Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, you didn't do it. Some people just are, they're desperate to get in there and just be abused. use of as, you know, as they can be.

And it's like, you don't, you don't know what's going. You don't know what the situation is. Like trolls to the definition of, right. I just want to create chaos here. Exactly. And like, no matter what, you can't even talk about logic to them. I realize that early on. I don't even respond to half of them anymore because it's just like, they just,

they want to misunderstand and they want to be, you know, right in a sense. Well, it's like those women, like, despite the, despite the divorce, uh, um, documents, despite the documentation that you're showing, despite the, she's, at that time, she was like, what, like $21,000 behind on child support? Despite all this documentation I'm showing you, you saw a photo of a couple of kids, her with a couple of kids,

that you don't even know are these kids, or are the correct children. Right. And you're saying that that photo has disproven everything else and that you're now the liar and she's telling the truth. Right.

And because you saw a photo. Right. No, exactly. And that's the thing. Like when I did that video, I knew that's why I kind of posted like, you know, some screenshots from the actual divorce document. Like I try and hit some of the, you know, the quick hitters like, hey, she fake answer. Stole a million dollars. You know, those quick things because, you know, again, even with the receipts, they were like, oh, you're lying. And it's like, she hasn't showed you a single, all she did was say words. It has not shown you a single receipt and cried. And somehow that is 100% back. She said she was, she was cooking her own birthday cake when she was actually cooking. they were actually cupcakes. Like, you have something. Yeah. That's not a cake.

It's a cupcake. Yeah. That's fine too. That's another first red flag. It's a minor distinction. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that was her headspace.

And, you know, with that video and just, it took off. And, you know, she just, I kind of asked her right afterwards. I was just like,

I really think you should take this down because I did not want to have to really come forward. But she also used that against me. She was like, oh, he was scared that I would, talk about all his abuse. And so she kind of used that in like a double sense.

But in my mind, I was like, well, you know, I have all this stuff. And I don't want to, but I will in a sense. So, and she kind of, it kind of baited me. I think she deep down didn't think I would ever. I'm still, I'm still a little shock sometimes that I have gone and gone and done it. But because it's just, you know, as a victim, you think they're just so confident in their control over you and that you're going to stay silent. Right.

So how many views did your video get? About 4 million. Nice. Nice. Yeah. One of the 100, but I'll take it. Right. I wonder if her page is monetized because you know you can monetize a TikTok page.

Yeah. And then just then she could go on and be just a professional pathological liar and just continue all kinds of lies. And she's got a following. People will view it. And she can talk about how she could, she could work for NASA. Exactly. And that's kind of, you know, where she started doing is like, you know, not NASA, but she was saying that she was working in like medical sales and then doing this job. Like she kind of was continuing to, you know, her status quo, if you will, because now she had a following what she always wanted and was able to present this fake life that she was living and and bash me at the same time. What about?

It's a win, win for her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Remember the girl that said she had an affair with an FBI agent? Yes. Yeah. Stock by the feds.

Yeah, stocked by the feds. There's a woman stocked by the feds. It's not a real thing. I saw a couple clips on it. Yeah, she's, well, she says it. She was supposed to come on the program a couple of times and kind of flaked. And I don't think she'll ever come on. So, I mean, I don't, it's just based on her behavior.

Like, she supposedly, like, went to. Where did she go? Was it Thailand? Another country. It's somewhere like Thailand. I don't think it is Thailand, but first it was she was being stalked. She started by saying she had had an affair. And then because she had an affair with an FBI agent who was married and she told his wife,

they started an investigation on her. They're like falling on her, right? Yeah, and accusing her of fraud and started an investigation. And it got so bad, she finally just like flood. And took months where she was posting. But keep mind, I'm sure her, it's. monetized. Her page is monetized. She's getting millions of views on every single video. So she's now, this is now making her lifestyle. So she's continuing it. And she ends up

talking about how she's trying to leave the country. And then she does leave the country. And now she's doing ones on, is it called gangstocking? Yes. It's funny you mentioned it because I'd never see yourself, but I saw her stuff like a day ago, gangstocker. I don't know, whatever, whatever that is. But she's like, this is a gangstocker. So it's when you've been targeted by people in general, and they start, so groups of people start stalking you. Really? And so, really?

Yeah, I mean, go with it. Yeah, like you're in another country and you're being targeted by a massive, apparently tons of people are a part of this organization. They start stalking you. Really? Oh, my gosh. They'll stare at you in a restaurant, everybody, like tons of them, or they'll start following you.

They're stalking you. So this is her new. Yeah, so she's basically is being, you know, it's, what is the term where you're being, you know, plagued or persecuted. So she's got some kind of a, and listen, maybe she had, I don't know. Maybe she did have an affair. Maybe she did tell the wife. Maybe they did start an investigation.

Stranger things have happened. But now it's switched to gangstalking. And she also, you know, she didn't come on and talk about it. And nobody's, I don't think anybody's ever really seen any proof. And some of the videos, she would take her phone and zoom in on like a car. And she's like, that car's been parked there for three days. They're watching me. I'm like, first of all, if they're watching you from the distance of, they're not great at it.

Like this car is three football fields away. Like I don't. And it looks like it's just parked in front of somebody's house. Like, I mean, you can't just randomly pick cars and say it's FBI car. I don't know what they look. like, but I don't see, like this car you would think would be closer. I don't think these people would know if you left your house. Exactly.

They're not doing a good job over there. No, they're horrible of surveillance. But she, and so she started sounding crazy, but now, yeah, she's in another country talking about gang stalking that she's being targeted by gang stalking. And I'm sure she's related it to, connected it to the FBI officer. That's the new agency. Yeah. Continuing the investigation. I mean, her Instagram is stalked by the feds after a relationship with federal

officer enforcement ended badly, raising awareness about multiple perpetrator stocking. GoFundMe account. There you go. 4,800 waste. 4,800. But if the channel is monetized, she could be making 5 or 10 or 15,000. I think the TikTok has recently been banned. Really?

Because there's a, the top video I clicked on because I couldn't find her account, the comments are If she was a fraud She wouldn't have been banned at four hours She's been banned everywhere This was 10 days ago She wouldn't I don't know

She at least she had been banned Yeah And there's one account that just says Yeah Stock by the Fed's 2.0 It's private There is no TikTok anymore

So who knows Could be another change of policies recently Yeah yeah They're not being so okay with you with the fraudulent. They're more. They're a little bit more.

A little tighter. Yeah. And it's so vague and so hard to get answers. They can pretty much do what they want. Yeah, most likely. So, yeah. But she's out there. So you've been in contact with her.

Yeah, that woman, yeah, I've talked to her several times. Well, I think I talked to her on the phone once. And then I talked to her like probably a week before she was leaving. and we were going to try and do the remote, the remote, a remote podcast. And then she said, you know what? Once I get the, you know, then the last minute she kind of said, hey, look, let me get there. It's supposed to have, supposed to have good Wi-Fi, whatever. So then she gets there and she says, okay, I think the Wi-Fi is okay, but I don't have a laptop.

And I was like, okay, you really need a laptop. Like, you really just can't. You can do it off your phone, but it's makes, it's got major, there's major problems. involved. Right. And it's just a much more smoother process. And I'm not hurting for content. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm like, I'm like, well, and she's like, give me a couple days and I will get a laptop. Then she was a couple days later. She was going to get a laptop. Then she couldn't get it. Then she was going to borrow a laptop. And I'm thinking, who are you borrowing a lot? Laptop?

You've been in this country for a week. I got a country. Yeah. Then it was, I don't think the Wi-Fi is very good here. I was like, I thought the Wi-Fi was amazing there. Yeah. You know, like, and then it just got to a point where I was, I was tired of going. Like, this is not this worth it.

I could have scheduled three other people. Yeah. And you're in this world so much. You, you know, you, you probably know it. You get the feeling when you first meet these guys. Yeah. Like, some of these guys like, this guy will show up, he'll be good. I talk to this guy.

I would be, I would be very surprised if he's here. Yeah. And we've had those conversations. Yeah. I imagine, especially, I mean, how long have you been doing this part of it. For like over four years. Yeah. So, yeah, you're, you're knowing probably within.

Yeah, I was going to say. And I have a conversation a half if needed. Yeah, I have a pretty good, I have a pretty good sense about people. Like, you know, we'll, and we always say too, well, is that if there are a problem from the very get-go, you know what I'm saying, they're a nightmare about getting them here. Right. It's like typically it's very, the guys that you know are going to show up that I feel confident are going to show is the guy that you, he texts you, he says, hey, you know, gives you a very three paragraphs on a story. scheduled the time to talk to you. You talk to him on the phone.

He can tell you his whole story in a five-minute version. Yeah. You know, five or ten minutes. He says, hey, I can be here at this time. This time you say yes. He says, great, no problem. I will be there. And you can feel the confidence and you know, I don't have to hold this guy's hand.

Right. And I don't like that either. I can't stand that one. It's like, but you got a lot of stuff going on. Yeah. Well, and, but I, you know, when the guys look, where am I going to, what, what, how much is the airplane cost? And is there, you know, are you? You know, are you going to pick me up?

And you get, listen, but you're a grown man. Yeah. You can get yourself here. Yeah. Call the airline. You're flying into Tampa International Airport. I'm 25 minutes from the airport. Get yourself an Uber.

Like, come on. They want you to do referrals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm pretty sure if I, if Joe Rogan was going to have you on, you wouldn't expect, you know, I'll just show, listen. Give me that address and I'll be there.

Yeah. Yeah. When Lex Friedman was like, look, I'll, I'll, I'll be at this hotel. at this time, I'll meet you in the lobby. Got it. Yeah. I hold up the phone. I don't need to know anything else.

I will text you when I'm in the lobby. So, but yeah. So, and we schedule about seven a week to get three or four people just to show up. Yeah. That many people cancel, you know? Well, I know with my kids, I have like all those things. And I, I, and here, look, sometimes things happen. Somebody gets to do an accident.

Something happens, right? You know, yours was the kids. That's another thing when I was watching the videos. He this, he that. And I'm like, well, I know he's got the kids. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because we've had many conversations where you're like, look, let me call the, let me see if I can get off on this day. Yeah.

I got to get a babysitter. Yeah. It's an ordeal a lot of times. And that's what happened. The first time when I was actually going to be off, sick. It's like, ah. And then they switch things. But so I appreciate you.

And all of this stuff that we just covered, it is all still kind of like unfolding. Like people are talking like this podcast that we've been referring. to that we listened to just to get some background information like this was just posted 10 days ago. Yeah. I don't know if you watched the first one. Did you ever see the first one they did a year ago? No, but I know. It was a year ago?

After it came out, they did the, like, actually, I haven't, I was the first 20 minutes a year ago. And I was just like, I couldn't, I had to turn it off because it was just not good for me. And plus, everything that was out there, I was like, that's not true, not true. Now they did a lot of research and kind of was like, you know, we're redeeming it like, hey, we got this wrong and really deep dived and did a really, you know, good job on this one. So now I'm like, okay, now that they said this, I can, I'll go back and listen to the first one. Right. See? Because in real time, I was just like, oh, no, there's another whatever podcast, basically telling them how horrible I am, you know, so. But yeah, so they had the first one

a year ago when it first came out and then they just did this one redeeming, um, which is pretty good. I don't know how far you got into it, but, um, they did. I probably watched it. I probably watched it. I probably watched an hour of it. It's a lot. Yeah. I mean, they spent, they spent 40 minutes on the fake cancer diagnosis. The cancer stuff, they went deep in. And they're, and they're providing every picture, every screenshot, everything. So it's like the amount of research and time going into that before they just sit down and talk about it. Yeah. Yeah, we're not running that kind of Yeah, we're just going directly to the source. We're going directly to the source. Yeah, I was going to say, well, and if you do need any, I know where the screenshots are. So if you do want to put anything up that you're not

sure about. I can't find it. I know exactly what like video. Roughly what video I could send you like certain things. I'm going to upload the main cupcake video and that's for the most part. Yeah. I mean, whatever you need on it. But yeah, let me know. Because yeah, definitely it's like yeah, they're getting all the research, all that. But that's all for me. Like all that stuff they got was really besides the the Google searches, but like they're retelling, you know, my story in a nutshell. So same with the Elizabeth podcast, like the first three episodes have been them kind of retelling, you know, which I wasn't expecting that. I thought they were going to go into the, which they are going to do now.

But they just been retelling kind of my story. And then they're getting into other people that knew her. So they're kind of branched. So what's the status on Gary? What's the 2025 status on Gary? Yeah. So Gary is. I think up until recently.

I mean, I try to get a hold of Gary for several years. Gary up until last year probably what are we in end of 24 yeah so basically within six months so end of 24 going in 25 um his ex-wife found out that Gary sold all his property he sold everything I mean he he had he had no he's trying to save Elizabeth's life for God's sake he yeah he did he did he did he did he did he's a hero he's of Gary's day. So he's been selling houses of his families. It's his, it's like his mom, but the, the catch of it all is that all those properties were going to be, um, his kids, him and his ex-wife's kid, they have a kid together. So the house, like all this investment, all this money was going to be

inherited and sent to their child. Well, the ex-wife found out that he sold everything. So now there's no inheritance for her kid, their kid together. And so she can, front of them. It was like, you sold this house, this house, this, like, you're, like, you're, like, you're an idiot. Like, what are you doing? So he still would not reach out to me or do anything until the ex-wife basically gave him like an ultimatum. She's like, you have screwed our son. He has no inheritance now. You need to go to the police. Like, you need to go to the police now. And he reluctantly, you know, he basically, if it was up to him, he would probably have done nothing as he has been, but she forced him to go to the police, file a report.

And I don't know what's come of it, but he has filed a couple reports. I told him to talk to the people in Tampa, the one that was in the police station, because it's a similar story, how there's are. Like I said, you know, you got to get these jurisdictions talking to each other because they seem like one-offs, but you had the same story essentially that they had. So it didn't get any, haven't got any money back and really. He's not going to get any money back.

No, he's not. And he and he's really not going to, wouldn't have ever pursued anything in my mind unless the ex-wife basically yelled at him and told him to, to go do something because he was just not. And when I talked to him recently, that's how I found out about the dog story with, when he got left with a dog.

He finally called me actually about two, three months ago. Like, will you come get this dog? Yeah, well, yeah. I couldn't help laugh because he was just like, that dog, it could detect seizures, right? And I was like, no, it could not. And he's like, oh, Gary. He's like, oh.

You had any money left at all? I'd take it from you. Yeah. I mean, I thought it was so bad because, yeah, like all these little lies that he had so much hope in that was like, and it's like, no, that never happened, you know, like, what about this or that? Like, he goes, did you punch her at a bar outside of Kora? like whatever bars out there. I go,

Gary, you think I punched my ex-wife in broad daylight? All right. And just walked away. Like, no, that never happened. She goes,

well, she told me that she couldn't meet me to give money back because she followed, you know, because I punched her. She had a black guy. I had to go to the hospital.

Yeah. She had to go to the hospital and you were being arrested and all this stuff. And I broke in, I'm like, no, Gary,

like, no. So he, up until months ago, he is still, down bad and I feel believing like his world is just he's got to relearn how to do everything because everything he knows is a lie he's been in inceptionized he's stuck with this epileptic dog well he finally dropped it off at her house one day and and she get two days later went to the pound

with it he's like yeah i kept this dog for like a year and a half thinking that it was a special seizure cancer dog and she never gave money he was he was a little seizure cancer dog and she never gave money for food. I went out to like, this guy's been, and he didn't want the dog to begin with, but he did it as a favor.

And so, and she's like, the moment I gave it to her in the house, he's like, by the end of the week, the dog was already at the pound. And he was like, just like,

just so disappointing that. Like, man, I cut that dog for so long. And she just cast it aside. One of the stories I heard on, on the ladies podcast was when she went to like a vacation with some dude in Hawaii. She had these dogs that she just had an Airbnb.

Yeah. Put food in there. there locked the door and then the cops went to serve her some type of papers eventually got in and there's just dogs just the two dogs or how many of her whatever yeah so that's actually um so she went to hawaii in february uh with with with her with her current boyfriend at the time that literally hates her because he texted me and told me how much he hates her in january it's actually quite hilarious so december 31st he's texting me how much you know he's like I hate her. She's lying to me about this, bounce checks, like all this stuff. And then in February, he goes, I see them go to Hawaii and I'm like, huh, what's up with this? Like, you were just telling me how much you hate her. So I posted the conversation of like, hey, you hate her, but you went to Hawaii. Well, they get back from Hawaii and then my ex-wife and her roommate were evicted from their place. And so she went to Hawaii instead of paying any bills, as she always does. So they were evicted and they had two dogs.

And so she went to go live with a boyfriend and they couldn't take the dogs. So the dog stayed. She left them, basically abandoned them. Well, because she was being served for a podcast lawsuit, the server came and saw each day, like, these dogs are getting more and more unwell. Like, there's trash everywhere. They're in their own feces. So the process server was like calling animal control. And so animal control came out and she played it off.

She goes, oh, they're supposed to be like a. rover app sitter to go get them. And she did. She ended up getting a rover app sitter to come get the dogs. And then she left them with a rover app. So hard off. Yeah. She, yeah, well, and then she started looking in online and she actually contact

me and she's like, hey, do you have any ownership to these dogs? I'm like, no, they're not mine. It's like, well, do you want to come? I'm like, no, I don't know what I do it. I'm like, I am good. Like, that's the last thing I need right now. So she never paid the sitter to watch them, didn't give them food. I think she eventually had to

him the pound because she was never coming to get them. You're basically like a child. If you go out and adopt an animal that you cannot take care of and then you're just giving it back to the pound, then you go buy another animal and you take care of it until it's a pain until it's a problem and then you just abandon it and give it back to the down. You abandon, go get another animal. Like what are you doing?

Like that's a child mentality. Like you're not able to think. Should not be in charge of people, kids, or animals. Yeah, no, exactly. And I mean, she just, that's, fortunately, doesn't appreciate anything because she's never really earned it. And so it's like she steals money and uses it. So she just, everything to her can be thrown away.

It's objects, people, even dogs. It's crazy. Do you have any questions? No, I think I'm good. I mean, and you can answer this however you want. I am going to ask my wife to see our bank account. as you were been talking, I've been thinking, I've never checked on our bank. Really?

Yeah. She tells me like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's probably good. This is probably one in a million. Yeah, exactly. So, like, what's the dynamic to this day?

Like, how do you guys navigate this relationship, if any? Like, is there contact at all? like what's that like and you can go you can say whatever you want yeah so i try to always for the girls keep i even everything that she's done all the t ros um she filed four up until last year it was four or five somebody i can't it's sad i can't keep them all straight but i've always kept lines of communication open but with all the online stuff she filed another one against me and i was just like you know what at this point i i can't protect if i can't protect myself i can't can't protect them. Right. Every communication that I would have with her, whether that was on the phone or via text, would be used against me. Like, you're harassing me. You're bothering me. You called me 20 times. And it's like, yeah, well, calling you for them. No, it's never about them or she's always manipulating. So I realized I just had a cut off. So after the last TRO she filed last year, she filed in July. There was some things, it got delayed. But basically by September, October, it got dismissed. And,

And I made the decision at that point. You have to go through the courts. Like I'm tired of being, and I don't want to be your middleman for them anymore either. It's written up this way. I've been nice and allowing her to go around the courts to be able to contact me. Like when I was sleeping on the couch, you know, last year, you know, six months or whatever it was. Like I basically, you know, I didn't have to do all that stuff.

And all my kindness has always just been thrown back when it doesn't, you know, work in her favor. So in October, I blocked her and I made the decision to have no communication with her. And so I have not, she did call in end of October. And I spoke for like two minutes because she was just moralized. I just, you know, all the things she says at this point, I'm just like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Okay. Yep, have a good one. Like, I don't, it doesn't even like get me.

I'm not emotionally like invested or manipulated like it would be in the past. Like, oh my gosh, that happened. It's just like, I don't have time for this. Like, you know, so for me at this point. There's been no communication on the phone. And obviously that hurts a little bit for the girls. But at this point, too, she hasn't seen them since June of 24. So we're coming up on a whole year of her seeing them.

So I just don't feel like it's good to like just pop on and call them for five, 10 minutes and hang up at this point. Right. So at this point, it's been blocked communication since October, only through email because I just, I want to document everything. And I've told her, you got to go through the courts. like go to the courts tell them that you're healthy because psych evaluation as you can imagine after all this that was my very my first requirement and my you know we presented everything to say this is why you know obviously some people just want to throw that in there and then there's no reason but we threw it in there and we had all this reason to be like look at the mental health here she's not mentally

well right not only the taking cancer but spending almost a million dollars in six months like you know so essentially that was the first requirement so it's like i've been letting you get around that so at this point i've cut communication and you can go through the courts do it the right way if they say you're healthy enough to be around them i don't want to be involved in like the reintroduction either you know contact a therapist you guys you know court ordered whatever it is and do reintroduction because the girls are going to have a lot of questions like that's when they'll need to really probably dive into some kind of therapy have someone to talk to because this is going to be emotional handling that i'm not ready for so

At this time, it's really been pushed to back to handle this through the, take me back to court, show the courts you're healthy. I don't want to do anything outside of court anymore because I'm just tired of given the opportunity to have more fake restraining orders. It costs me more money and also have her have the opportunity to say. Because again, like you said earlier, like she, I won't put a passer at this point. If we're around each other, hey, he hit me. And, you know, she'll push that envelope at this point. because I think she's at a point where in the past, she didn't push that envelope or lie about the,

you know, when the cops came. Yeah. Right now, I don't try. I feel like if, if we met at a park, you know,

hey, you hit me, you know. Right. And it's like, oh my gosh, I didn't want to deal with her, uh,

behavior in a sense and putting me in, and, in jeopardy. Yeah. Um, yeah, I wouldn't, I definitely,

definitely would not, would not try. And, and the problem is go, her going to, it's unlikely she makes the, makes the effort to go through the courts because that's a cumbersome process. So, and she doesn't seem like somebody who wants to put that much effort into.

Right. And just like you were saying, like, you know, you bring them over, bring the kids over there. And she's like, hey, can you do this? Can you get? No, you're doing. This is what being a parent is. Right. Exactly.

I'm sitting here because you don't take off with my kids. Right, right. She wants the convenience of it. And yeah. And that's why I didn't really, you know, the divorce process, it was very. very tedious. I thought times it wasn't a certain way, but I get it. It had to be a process, you know, how to really be this time consuming and covering all the bases. And that's something that she wants no part of. She doesn't want to, you know, she wants the shortcut, the quick

and easy. And yeah, if she has to spend the time and do all the steps, she's going to do it for a day. Right. You know, especially with, I, I would love to know what her treatment would be for the psychopath. I don't think it'd be a 25-day. No, I'll patient. What's funny is I had read that they actually have medication that they will put like pathological liars on,

but it's kind of like people that they put on bipolar medication. I'm not saying it's the same medication. Right, but same effects kind of thing. Well, what I'm saying is bipolar, there's medication that helps, not get rid of it, but it, you know,

it helps mitigate the, you know, control the, the flare ups, let's say. The problem is, is that it feels good to be bipolar. It feels good, the ups, you know, they feel good, and you don't get the ups anymore. Right. And so what happens is after a few weeks or a month or two when they've been on it, they

start wanting that feeling, they miss that and they don't want to take the medication. Same thing with the pathological liars. There's medication that, I don't know exactly what it does, but whatever it does is it, It allows you to control this impulse to lie, the pathology or whatever. So you no longer feel compelled to do it as much. And you can get control of it, but you don't feel good anymore. So you don't get that excitement and that thrill. And now you're almost feel, because of that, because it is such an endorphin rush, you start, you almost feel depressed.

Yeah. I wouldn't want to feel depressed. Right. Give me a month or so of it feeling depressed. I'd be like, man, I'm not taking that medication anymore. Right. And that's the problem is they don't. they don't want to take the medication.

And that's exactly what I was thinking as well, because like what is the treatment for this? Like all of a sudden a judge says, hey, you can spend the time. Well, what's the effect if she doesn't want to take the medication on a Friday night? What's going to happen by Sunday?

You know, like her taking the medication and falling through the treatment, like you said, that could be a whole other element of it because she could quit that. Hey, I don't want to take it anymore. Well,

then do I got to take her back to court? Do I got to, you know, I don't know if that's even a normal treatment. I just know that when I was reading the research, they were talking about how they could put them on this type of a drug. And they said the problem with that drug is that once it levels them off, they don't want to,

they immediately want to get off the medication because they no longer have that endorphin rush at all. I was going to say they pray, they're not feeling alive. Right, which to me I thought, oh, wow, that's the same thing with bipolar. I know people that are bipolar. The chick I was on the run with was bipolar.

And I made her go to a psychiatrist. She got prescribed the medication. And multiple times she'd get on it. Within five or six weeks, she'd stop taking it. And she'd be like, I thought I was better. I don't want the way it makes me feel. And then three months later, I'd be like, look, I'm leaving you. And then she'd get back on it.

And six weeks later, she's off it again. And that's probably almost as bad, too. Right. Oh, I could tell. I could tell because she was insane. Yeah. And I could, I could, I could, you could sense that. And you know what I think.

You're like, I could tell you're about to be office. Yeah, I could tell like, oh, you're, you're just barely holding it together. I could feel the tension right now in the air. Oh, my goodness. You know, pick up on those cues. Yeah. My, my, it's funny. It's like, my dad was an alcoholic and he would go on drunk and, you know, he'd get

sober for six months or a year. And before anybody knew, really, before there were real, was real evidence that he's drunk, you know, like he's slurring his words. Right. Within a day or two before that, when he's, because initially he could drink for a day or two before you really noticed anything. He's not going to the binge. But you could feel it.

You could walk in and just, you'd be like. The energy's off. Yes. Like, something's up. Like, he's off. He's not acting like he's a lunatic, drunken and screaming lunatic and angry and everything like normal, but you can feel that tension in the air. You could feel it within a day or two.

And then within a day or two, he's definitely slurring his words. He's yelling. Where I was my such? You're fucking lying. You're like, I fucking knew this two days ago. I knew two days ago you were fucking going to be a little bit. Steps out for a couple days. It's all this coming.

It's time to go visit something for a couple weeks. Let's get this out of your sister. Wait for you to end up in the rehab again. Off the wagon. Yeah. But it's the same thing. thing like try wonder if they do if that's a true like that's part of their thing or do they just say no you're going to but going to a psychiatrist or a psychologist or something these people

aren't changing they're just not they're hard it's hard wired in i've come to that conclusion like when going through the divorce and putting that in there i used to feel like there could be help and obviously as you know being the mother and things like that i wanted her to have help for them yeah and i always thought there was hope for help but i'll be honest like once it's it was signed and maybe not even when it was signed but i started realizing pretty soon after it's like i don't think that there's any i don't think there's any help and if there was help she's not gonna go and do anything right you know so and and like with most mental uh mental health issues as you get older it tends to get worse and worse like when you're younger you know most people are are

it's like with bipolar condition, you don't notice it that bad as when they're young and they're teenagers, it's when they get to be 20, 34. And by the time, they're in their 50s, like they've, they're on the street. Yeah, I was going to say their whole life is in. Yeah. They're looted.

They got nobody, no family, nobody wants anything. They've just, and they're just lunatics. Yeah. I was going to say that life has just been imploded. Yeah. It's the same thing. It's the same thing with like schizophrenics. you know, like they're borderline in their 20s, but by their 30s, 40s,

oh, yeah, by their 50s, they're screaming at traffic and they're standing in the middle of an intersection with a tinfoil hat screaming at fucking traffic and, you know, hiding from alien. It's, you're full blood. Yeah. The progression. There's no downtime for you at this point. It's straight insanity.

Yeah. This would be my last question because I think if I'd be my last question, because I think if I be a loose end that the audience might want to know. So has she addressed any of the, you know, her TikTokers like, what about the cancer? Like, does she addressed it head on or is she pretty vague? Like, what is? Yeah, so she's given really one answer when on lives and different things.

She won't address it at all really anymore, but she addressed it like one time. There's a clip where she says that it was exaggerated on the internet. She never had stage four. but she did have stage one. So that's the only time she has ever mentioned that she did have it, but it was stage one. But even though you pull up.

It's treatable with what medication? I mean, I think sunshine and I don't know. Cat kisses. I don't know. But yeah, so like she's still defending that she did have cancer, even though the lymphoma journey that she posted stage four.

Everything says stage four, stage four. So she's saying that it got exaggerated to stage four. it was only stage one and she definitely had it and so that's the only time she's ever and it was on a live it wasn't even like a video that she posted it and kept up it was on live for like two someone caught it and screen recorded it other than that on any other videos or comment sections it is straight up blocked immediate immediate delete and then probably an immediate block like she just it's probably a filtered like you probably if you go to her page and even try to type in the message cancer it

it's probably filtered. Like you probably couldn't complete it. So she has not addressed it beyond that and refuses to. Which kind of what I've always said too is like, you know, if you're a cancer survivor, you'd probably have that in your bio. Like,

you know, it's kind of a big deal. Yeah. Right. Like how many cancer survivors are out there telling you that they, you know, haven't. You know,

that's a pretty proud thing. Yeah. I mean, you'd be pretty proud about that. So it's definitely, but no, she's been, I mean,

we'll not talk. about it at all. Well, you know, good for her for beating it. Yeah. You know. I'm proud of her. I'm glad this podcast ended on a good note. Yeah.

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