Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Embezzling $3 Billion...CON MEN REACT

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

Matt and Juan talk more about the Elizabeth Holmes fraud case...

Wait, he embezzled $3 billion with a B dollars. Not three million. I remember when I met him, I said, hey, Lance, he's like, oh, so how much was your crime? I said, man, 39 million, you know, big case. He's like, yeah, yeah, that's a big case. Hey, hey, that's a big case. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Juan, and we are going to do a one year anniversary for Juan being released.

released from prison to some, from detention, actually. Oh, from detention? Yeah. Did you get halfway house? You didn't get a half. No, I did my halfway house under ICE custody. Oh, okay. So, but you were released. I was released on the, I went home December 23rd. Okay. So by the time this, this is released. Yeah, it'll probably be a couple, it'll probably be a few days, but whatever, close enough. Close enough. All right. So we're going to do that. We're going to basically talk about, we're going to have a discussion just about prison and prison politics and, uh, some myths. Some, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, uh, we're going to talk about orange not being the new black, you know, and, uh, and it's funny

because we had this conversation off camera. Yeah. And I said, we, we ought to just talk about this on camera. And, and I'm like, no, no, what are we going to talk about? You know what I mean? You know, what we, what we, it started off where we were joking about how, um, you were telling your kids how you're like, I'm basically running this place. Like, this is ridiculous. I'm running this place. Because my kids,

you don't have kids that visited you, of course, but your mom did. I don't have kids that talk to me. Yeah, yeah, you know. Because that's what a decent guy I am. So. Father of the year.

No, I'm just kidding. But my kids will go and visit me and they'll say like, dad, you know, because they were concerned that, you know, that'd been a little soft for prison. And I will tell them,

listen, are you okay? Are they punking you out? Are they raping you that? Are they raping your 15-year-old daughter? And I will be like, are you someone... Only on Thursdays, honey. Are you someone's bitch? Dad, please, don't let your nails grow and you're, you know.

You shave because your head shaved. The mop wig fits better. Oh, my God. We're going to talk about the mop buckets in the shower. But I will tell them like, listen, I have so much control over this prison and it's because I'm a nerd. Yeah. I never knew that nerd power was going to be my savior.

And they used to tell me that. You've been down for too long. Nerds run the world. Everybody works for a nerd, you know? And then you have Facebook and you have all this stuff that was developed when I was in prison. When I was in prison, there was, when I got, listen, Facebook came out like just before I went to prison. Like, you know, it was big when I went to prison was MySpace. Oh, Lord.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. There was no iPhone. There was no iPhone. What year did you go to prison? 2006 is when I was caught.

So you started, you didn't get, obviously, you didn't get bail. No, no, no, no, no. When you get caught with a couple dozen passports, yeah, they don't give you, they're afraid you're, they're afraid you're flight risk. Yeah, yeah. And so from 2006 all the way to 2019, you were incarcerated. So you didn't leave any of the technology more. To 2000, yeah, until 2019, you're right.

Okay. Wow, yeah, you skipped a lot. I got to the iPhone 4 or iPhone 5, but I didn't know, like, Twitter has just come out. And Facebook used to be like a social platform. Right. You know, like people actually, like, interacted with people and you look up at your girlfriends and everybody was getting divorced. What is it now?

Well, people now take pictures, which I still not used to that shit. People take pictures of their food. Oh, no. Like, this is what I'm eating, and this is a steak, and this is a pub shop. And that to me is still a little uncomfortable. But in prison, the thing about being in prison, like, you listen, the mediums and the lows and stuff. Like, you know, I love these guys that are like, I get these in the comments where like on that West Watson video and all that's where the guys are like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't last a second in federal prison. It's like I was in federal prison.

You wouldn't last a second here. You wouldn't stop. You wouldn't last a second in a pen. I know guys that were in the pen. Zach was in the pen. Like, what are you talking? 10 months in the pen. Right.

So what are you talking about? I'm here. And it doesn't get any softer than me. Yeah. I mean, yeah. You get lost. But I remember, dude, all this tough guys will come to me at least. And I sure it happened to you.

Of course. Hey, Venezuela. Venezuela, I heard you know how to type. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, bro. I need you to write an email to my girl because we had the tru links thing. Yeah. And they charge you by the minute.

Yeah. faster you can type. Faster you can type, the more you can type and you have a time, what was it, like 15 minutes? Well, not just that, not just that, but the guy, the eloquence. Yeah, exactly. The guy can't type an email.

I dated so many women that were in my, I will just write these beautiful letters because the guy would be like, listen, just tell her. When I get out, I'm going to fuck the shit or you. And I say, okay, well, listen, I can wait until I get out. We're soulmates.

I love you, not with my heart, but with my soul, which is my whole being. And they'd be like, oh, that's good, that's good, bro. Keep it going. going. And I'm like, don't worry about it. I'm inspired. You have a picture of her? I'm in the zone right now. And that's when I realized, wait a second, there is something to be in smart here. Oh, yeah. There is, hooked on phonics worked for me. And then the thing is, like, that they don't pay you with money. What they do is they'll go get your commissary, like, bro, give me a couple bags of chips

or get me, do you have a coffee? Yeah, okay, give me a coffee and I'll type it. When I was at the detention center, you got 15 minutes every hour. So you had to wait an hour to get 15 minutes again. Right. So I will use my 15. He means 15 minutes on the True Links system. On the true links on the computer. True Links is the computer because people don't realize this. That's right. That there's a computer system that you can write a letter. It then sends it to an off-site location. Your family can then go to that location and retrieve it. You cannot email

directly to your family. And it takes about two hours to get there. Right. There's a turnaround because it has to go through a investigation and reviewing. Yeah, they have to review it and everything. So what happens is end your time. So you have to put money on the system so that you can use the computer to type it. So you have to do it as quickly as possible. Five cents a minute. Yeah. So what happens is after you've used the computer for, what, 15 minutes?

15 minutes. Then you have to wait an hour before you can use it again. Because there's so many inmates waiting for the computers, they have to limit the time. So what I would do is I will use my 15 minutes. Then I will type for the next guy, next guy. Oh, you can watch the nonstop. Boom, my 15 minutes again. I will keep typing, then the next guy.

So I will sit there for three hours and use the computer every hour without having to stand in line. And like I said, they'll be like, oh, don't get up, don't get up, they'll get your stuff. Don't get up, don't get up. I'll go, they're calling you. I'll go get your mail.

I'll go get whatever, because they want you to keep writing. Right. And then, of course, there is the legal, the law paperwork. Right, right. Everybody wants to know, you know. Oh, I've had guys that would come to me and ask me to read their legal work.

Like, hey, I got my, I don't understand what this says. And you have to read it to them and explain, and they go, what does that mean? what it means. Do you don't know? Well, you know, but you guys don't know how many people I read their paperwork and they didn't know their charges. Oh yeah. I knew guys that don't even know how they got caught. Like they were like, I will ask them, listen, what are your charges? Conspiracy. Dude, conspiracy to do what? Right. I don't know. How long have you been down for three years? Man, let me read your paperwork. That's when they, I had to explain to them what their crime was

and who's niche on them and who didn't and so on and so forth. So it's, it's, if you're not smart, Navigating the system is not easy, man. Yeah. Well, if you're not educated or if you're not, you know, if you don't have just some just basic skills, bro. So, and I can mind, I worked as a GED tutor, and I actually taught what's called the skills program. So some of those guys, oh, God,

these are the guys that had done like, let's say they had done like 300 or is it, 300 and 600 hours in the GED classes, and they couldn't pass the test. So then they put them in what's called the skills program. let me explain this to them 600 hours of GED is an hour a day

five days a week right all right so that's five hours it's about eight to ten years trying to get your GED is the equivalent of somebody on the outside getting a jurisdoctoress

so they would get out and they still can't you know they just either they can't and these are guys that you realize as you start talking to them you realize oh wow like you don't you're not even you don't have an average IQ, you're like at like a seven, like you're like at an 80. Correct. Like you can function, you can dress yourself, you could maybe hold down a very menial job.

These are the people that the system stores in there. This is where the system, this is where you see the system not working. Right. So those guys, they're just, they're obvious, you know, and I hate to say this, it sounds cruel, but it's just, let's face it, you have smart people, average people, you have people that just aren't intelligent. These are just not intelligent guys. Like, they just can't learn to read. Yeah.

But below 80 IQ, you just really can't read. So, you know, and anyway, the point is, is that, you know, those guys come in there. And what we would do is we would teach them, like, just basic math, how to pay their bills. I remember that. Oh, my God, I remember that it was the last classroom to the right. How to count money. Miss Rose. And Ms. Johnson, I think, run that program, too.

Oh, you're thinking in the low. I was in the medium. Oh. So I'm dealing with those guys that are thugs. Oh, okay. And they would say stuff like, you know, you know. You were trying to get them just to learn how to count change and money. And I'd say, bro, you know, you're saying that, look, what's a quarter and a dime?

How much is that? 50 cent. No, think about it. How much is 25 plus 10? Man, I don't need to know all that shit. Okay, you do need to know it. Like, man, I'm going to go. You got to get out and you got to be able to pay your bills.

You have to be able to get a job. Man, I'm going back to sell drugs. I'd say, okay, but you have to be able to know how much money somebody's giving you. Who's going to count your money for you? Even if you're selling drugs. Right, right. I said, who's going to count your money? You know, the guy said, shit, my hope count that money.

And I said, yeah, but what if she counts it wrong? He was, I put that pipe on her. She count that shit, right? No, I'm saying? And you were like, why don't you teach me that skill? Put that pipe on her. Like, I didn't know. So I remember Zach was there, and I looked at Zach and,

Zach goes, I went like this. And Zach goes, well, I mean, he's right. You got to put the pipe on that bitch. It's like, oh my God. When that happens, you put the pipe on that bitch. This is the worst. Dare I tell you, this was funny. I'm going to tell you this story. And then we can talk about the jobs. Real quick, I had a guy one time. So I'm in the class, right? Doing papers or whatever. I really goofed off, really, most time. They have to do like they've got their little things they have to do and you grade them. But it takes no time. But I had this one black guy that used to come in every month's way. He would walk in and he'd have,

he'd take a Snickers bar. He'd walk in and he'd drop a Snickers bar on my desk as a joke. You know, everybody would laugh. And I'd get that shit off my head. And he'd go, ha, ha, and he'd grab it and he'd laugh and walk off. So one day he walks in and I could see he was going to do it. He did it like once or twice a week.

And he comes in and he put the Snickers bar. I grabbed it. I opened it and I took a bite of the fucking Snickers. And he was, hey, what the hell, Cox? I like, it's on my desk. it's in the open right we were talked about this earlier if it's on the table it's on the table it's everybody it's everybody it's uh it's communal property and i said it's mine you put it on the table it's mine he's like mother fuck he got furious and i was not there and ate the whole thing

he was like never put up snickers on my uh listen those classes are phone and those guys yeah are phenomenal guys i mean my students they love the fact that we put an effort in to try to teach them something yeah wow not all of them some of them hated it but I think the ones that wanted to learn something got some stuff out of prison, you know what I mean? Oh, you know, they used to, they actually had this one guy. This was, this isn't actually, I was going to say it's funny. It's not funny.

I remember his name was George, and he had like a bunch of sons. He had like 10 kids, 10 or 11 kids, and they were all named George. Kind of like George Foreman. Yeah, it's the same thing. So, but one of the things about him was he had gone to take the GED and he passed everything. except for the essay portion. So he had taken it twice and failed.

So they're upset at this point. Now they're like, what's going on? He's passing the essay portion of the class, but not passing the GED. So they put him in a room with me for like a week going over just how to write an essay. Two weeks later, he took the, like after the end of the week, he took the test and he passed the, you take a test before they let you take it again.

Took that one, blew it away, got a five out of five. Went and took the main test. and got a five out of five. And so then, and I was thinking, oh, cool, yeah, that's good. That's good. What a mistake, bro. Next thing I know, the next quarter, I got like six guys sitting in the room and me teaching them. It's like, okay, when did this?

But when did I take on the teacher's responsibility of teaching them how to write an essay? Correct. Well, the funny thing about that guy, once again, not funny. Super nice guy. Really liked him. Good guy. You see him all the time. You know, just a solid, nice black guy, talk to him all the time.

He was down to earth, he was funny, and got his GED, and had like a plan. Like, here's what I'm going to do. Correct. I'm going to get my GED. I'm going to get out. He used the prison system. Absolutely. He was using it, knew what he was going to do.

He was going to do this, do that. He had a cousin that did, you know, he had reasonable goals. He wasn't going to get out and be a rapper. He was going to get out and he had a cousin and they had a business. His business was always doing well. He needed to help. He was going to. Good.

Right. Died of a heart attack about a month and a half, two months after he got his GED. that was sitting in his, you know, the plastic chairs. Yeah. Sitting in his plastic chair, watching TV during, I don't know, some program, whatever. And everybody said he just sat there and all of a sudden he goes, boom, dropped right out of the TV. Dead. Dude, you know how many people are so dying?

Oh, tons. A month before they got released or two months before they got released. And I was like, oh, my God, you know, after you do all this fucking time, the door is right there. Well, you know, and the thing is being, you know, you have to think if you're stuck with 2,000 people in a small group that, you know, you're going to watch a lot of people die. Oh my God, yeah, especially when they're rotating because that one guy dies, pooh, they bring another one. And they bring another one. And there is a revolving door of convictions. It's a business. Well, and, you know, because you see that because so many, that the prison population is constantly revolving, you become desensitized. Like, to me, I'd have, I'd be hanging out with you for. for two years and we were cool, we were good buddies and ever said one day you're on the pack out, you leave, I never see you again. I'm smiling because you're talking about this, but were you

at Coleman when they did the sleep and slide? Oh yeah. In the backyard? Oh my God, bro. I can't believe I cannot believe you just brought that up. We had a, we had a, by the way, I had just arrived in Coleman, and they had a guy that run the wreck department. I was a lady that was going to say the woman when I did it, is a woman. And she used to videotape. You're going to love this, Connor. She used to videotape the activities, remember? And then she will go, like, the wreckyard activities are being played on Channel 8. And then people will

go and watch the video of, like, the gangsters. Kid you not, Matt will probably tell you his version of the story. Because you're right on point. Literally, by the way, it wasn't like a professionally made seat on side. It was garbage bags. Yes. Water and soap.

And you found all these gangsters running. It's a relay. It was like a relay, like a race. They were race around the track and then when they got to the end of the of the relay or why am i saying relay no it was like a like a like a that's when you hand off of yeah no this was like a regular like a marathon or something like an obstacle race obstacle of course right that's what it was oh that's right because you know what they had to do they put the bat on their head and they had to spin around in circles and they had to run the track correct and at the end of it you ran and you jumped on a slip and slide and as you were

sliding down you they had a line where you had to grab a flag and whoever got the flag ended up winning the obstacle course, whatever. But if you were in present, you could watch the reruns on TV. And you could watch, yeah, they ran the 15 or 20 minute tape over and over and over. For like a day or two.

This, these were the gangs. These are Crips, bloods. These are killers, hardcore killers. Running and doing this slip and slide. You know why they stopped it? Why? A guy, one, the woman left.

But two, remember. When she left, things went to shit. Well, remember a guy. broke his ribs or one of his rib he jumped in the air and landed on it's still just a plastic bag on a on the on the ground bam crack the rib by the way and i know a lot of guys are going to comment on this thing i'm going to say like oh because you went to a shit prison for punks dude i went to nine different prisons so don't worry about it they moved me around i went from a pen all the way to a long you know what they never you know these guys that say all that crap

that have been in print you know what they never consider they never consider that all the guys that are saying, man, prison's hard, prison's tough. I could come out of prison. I could tell you that. I could tell you all that. I'm not saying people don't get stabbed. People don't get beat up. But what I'm saying is it's not all that.

Well, listen, once you're in there, you figure you've got to make the best out of it. So people don't go there to have a miserable 10 or 15 years. You go there to kind of say, okay, I'm going to do my time. I'm stuck with these guys. Let's try to, you know, you play sports and you go to. classes together, and you do all kinds of stuff. But they also did an American Idol. Do you remember when they did the American Idol?

You're talking about it. It was a contest where they sung that they had vote. And they had the three judges. And there was a guy that sang like a virgin. And were you there? This is the punk. I'm sorry, he was a gay guy, right? He had like, he took, do you remember the laundry bags?

Yeah, but he was a gay guy. Well, obviously he sang like a virgin. Well, I'm just saying. But he had like. He wasn't a virgin either. Not in prison. What I understand. He took the laundry bags and he made like stockings out of the laundry bags and I, dude.

And you know what this sad part is? Connor's going, what's happening? By the way, everybody, Connor is the new Colby. Is the new Colby? No, not the new Colby. No, he's Colby's assistant. Oh. He's not the new Colby.

By the way, Colby has now an assistant. Yeah, Colby's big time. Do you guys remember when Colby was here doing the editing and all the stuff? Yeah. Now he just, he's a boss. Yeah. Next step, he gets indicted. That's what happens.

You build up, boom. He learned enough here where he can. So, what was I done about the stockings and? You were like a virgin. Oh, you think like all these, all these gangsters are going to be like, eh, man, we're going to stop this punk. Oh, no, they're all like, whoo, come on, come on. Show your ass.

Loving it. Loving it, bro. Yeah, they had karaoke night. It was because they had karaoke. They had the karaoke Thursdays or something. Yeah, that was a little bit annoying because then it's always the same guys. And you could hear, you could, from, it depends on what unit, or if you were outside, you could hear them.

It's annoying. Yeah, and it's the same guy singing the same fucking songs. So it's like, listen, really, the Mexicans are going to sing the same stuff, and the black guys are going to sing the same stuff, and it just got, you know, it got a little annoying. Yeah, they had the movie room. They had the movie room. Yeah.

So you could reserve a spot to sit in the movie room and watch a movie, and they had a list of movies. I believe you, you watch a movie there called My Name Is Khan. Did you watch it? I did, because everybody told me I had to watch it. And then I told you, I said, dude, I watched this movie. What the fuck? I walked into the movie room, and the guy's like,

you want to watch a movie, watch this one. And I'm sitting there and I'm like trying not to cry my eyes out because there's like 20 other convicts in there and I'm like, because all the bad things happened to this guy. Yeah. He kept a great spirit. He was a great guy, right? Yeah, he was like an autistic guy and you guys

got to watch it. And so then I tell Matt, dude, I just watch the most fucked top movie. Have you ever watched this movie? And he's like, dude, some asshole recommended it to me and I'm sitting there holding my tears back. And I'm like, yeah, that was horrible. But that was a movie. So, I mean, listen, you make the best, but we were talking about jobs.

Yeah, yeah, jobs. And why it was funny because, like, you have the guys that, so you have different jobs, right? You have hustle, they call them hustle. I don't call them jobs, hustles. There's a prison hustle. Yeah, so your prison hustle is some guys, and I had many, many different prison hustles. One, what started off as when I was in county jail, I drew portraits of people. Oh, that's a big hustle.

It's a lot of money. Yeah. You charge a lot of money. So, I want a lot of money for prison. So, but I could charge 20, 30 bucks for a, you know, stamps. Yeah, and sometimes it would be $10. Sometimes they charge $10. And it might take me two hours to do it, but $5 an hour in sitting in a county jail

where you can't leave the unit is a lot of money. Well, if you're an orderly, you make like $10 a month. Right. So I would draw a picture a day or two pictures a day and I'm doing well. Kim, I never had anybody send me money until I got, so for literally for, four years I never asked for anyone to send me money

it wasn't until I got to the low and started writing full time that I realized I'm gonna need money on true links because you were you were running a business you need a capital right and but up until that

up until I started writing like my mom was constantly I think my mom did send me 50 or 100 bucks one time I think she sent me 50 or 100 bucks yeah and that was and then that was only because she was like

look you need things in there you know and I got lucky When I first got to the medium, I had a cousin that was actually in prison, his name was Reese Townsend. And as soon as I got there, he got me a bunch of stuff. And I was like, look, I don't really have any money, but I can get my mom to send. You know, it's pathetic. But I can get my mom to send him money.

He's like, no, you don't have to pay me anything. Don't worry about it. Reese's mother had died when he was incarcerated, and he got a chunk of money. And my brother-in-law managed the money. It would just send him money. So he's like, don't even worry about it. Reese had the place locked up. But I'll tell you what.

Sorry to interrupt you here, but it's something that I've got to tell these guys. they're always talking about oh the prison code you broke the code bro you broke the code there is a prison code right the camaraderie in prison is on fucking believable bro i got moved a lot yeah so every time i went to a new prison guys were like listen what do you need you need shoes you need sweatpants you need this you need that i have two mackerel three coffees this that and you're like bro listen you know i don't have to wait to pay you back yet no no no no no no no this is for you to get settle. Yeah. Every prison that I went to, that is the prison code. You help the new guy that comes in. That's a must, you know? Yeah. For the, you know, not everybody. No, which, you know what's so

funny is that, so I would, I understand when you're going from prison to prison, once you've been in the prison, you can tell when someone first came in and when someone's been around. The guy that comes in from another prison and he's been around, you walk in, and then they've got a bag for you. That's what they call it. I got a, we got a bag for you. So, and they, of course, because when you first get there you don't have shower slides you don't have soups you don't have razors you don't have nothing so they'll they'll have they'll give you all that stuff i mean the the institution will give you a toothbrush it's this big you can't even reach your molars with it you have the condom have you already gotten the condom the finger condom the one that looks like it's like ferrets oh it's horrible it's so pathetic yeah

and then the other thing is they'll give you i love the shampoo soap combo kit it's this big or the and then they give you a little packet so bad Sorry, sometimes when I think about how fucked up it is, I get anxiety. So, but usually you go there and your group or your car or your race, they come to you. You know who the best at it was the Mexicans. The Mexicans, you're not Mexican. I'm Hispanic, bro. You're not Mexican.

When I went to the pen, you know, who greeted me? The Mexicans? The Mexicans will give you a ton of stuff. You have to give. I mean, they run a bag every week. They run a bag every week. and they build these bags. So when you come in, they're like, listen, here's your bag.

Boom, welcome. Yeah, here's your shower slides. Here's your toothpaste. Here's your toothbrush. Here's your lock for your locker. There's your thing. Boom, boom, boom. So, yeah, so that's one thing.

You're right about that. But the other thing is, but then it's funny because you talk about the new guys that come in where it's like you don't really want to take anything from anybody because you don't know yet. Which I've also seen too. Yeah. I've also seen guys get. Yeah. Yeah.

I've also seen guys getting charged. But you know who they are. You know when the guys come in and they're a little soft. Yeah, yeah. Because we have predators. We have identified predators. They look at that guy and they're like, hey, come here, Bob. What do you need?

You need some coffee. You need something. Why don't you move to my cell? I got the bottom bunk open. You get the bottom bunk. I'll get, don't worry about it. And you're almost telling the guy like, don't.

It's all bad. Don't take the bottom bunk. He's going to sleep with you on that bottom bunk. yeah that's not good yeah so but we were talking about but we talked about the jobs jobs so the hustles the different hustles you were talking about the guy what did you do which one you what was you okay so first i drew portraits then i when i got then when i got to the low i were the writer guy no i'm sorry when i got the meter what i'm sorry meter what am i saying bro the media so when i got to the medium so in the in the county jail i drew portraits in the medium i started teaching the real

estate class and i taught gED correct in the low i started um i taught i taught the real estate class and I started writing. Correct. But that's the difference between having an education and being sharp. And look, out here I feel like, eh, I'm a sharp guy. I'm not like super, super sharp in compared to everybody else. But in prison, I am a commodity. I am a rocket scientist.

I am a superhero genius in prison. You add to that being bilingual. right dude and i was like i told somebody i was a fucking unicorn yeah because people will come to me and go like when i went to the pen the mexicans come to me and they're like hey listen bro you know you speak very good english the consular in the unit is an asshole can you go talk to him i said yeah dude what's the problem he's he's a white piece of shit right i said i got it those are my kind so i walk in and the guy has a Minnesota Vikings

poster in his wall and big guy who's chewing tobacco and I walked in and I go Hey how are you doing He goes You're Sanchez right

You're the new guy And I say yeah You're a Vikings fan He goes What do you know about that I said I don't know You're from Minnesota

He goes yeah I said where from He goes What do you know about Minnesota I said just tell me where you're from He goes I'm from Duluth I said bro I know more about

Duluth that you know. He goes, come on, tell me something. I said, yeah, you go to this street and this street and there is a bar here and there's a bar there. And I remember I used to go party here, a party there. And he goes, how do you know that? I said, bro, I went to school in St. Cloud, Minnesota. He goes, you were in San Cloud? And I said, yeah, I was one of the two brown guys in San Cloud, bro. It was me and another dude. He goes, man, I have to call somebody. So he calls the lieutenant and he's from San Cloud. And he's like, you went to San Cloud? And I'm like, bro, we used to party at the red carpet and we used to part it at this place and Howie's, and I was a fraternity guy.

He's like, man, I used to go to the same places. And I said, and you are about the same age than I am. He goes, yeah. So you and I party probably at the same bars. He's like, yeah, we probably did. Man, from that point on, I was the Mexican hero. Because I could, of course, then, so you all know, then you develop hustles.

So I was like, listen, man, there are some people here that want to switch sales. Yeah. Do you mind if I tell you, don't worry about it. You tell me who wants to switch cells. So then I will go back and say, listen, for a hundred bucks,

I can get you whatever bet you want. Oh, I'll just put it on my books. So they will put money in my books and I will move them to different cells. I will give them fake jobs because on the pen, everybody has to work. Guys will sell their cells. Of course.

Like, if you have, if you're in a good cell where maybe you can see the TV, like you said, or maybe it's even an extra foot wider because it just happens because of the architecture happens to be in an area where it's an extra foot by eight or 10 feet. So that's a bigger cell. And it's a corner cell or it's in the back.

So 10% increase in size. Right. So you can then, guys would come in and they'd say, look, you know, you and this guy are bunkeys. I want to be this guy's bunky.

And then the bunkey's like, yeah, yeah, can he move it? Yeah. Okay, well, how much to move out?

Yeah. And it'd be like, you know, 100 bucks, 200 bucks. I knew a guy that paid like $1,000, because these two brothers wanted to be in the cell together. They were brothers.

So when the brother came in, he'd been there a week or two, moved him right in, put $1,000 on the other guy's book to move out. By the way, this also happens when they want to move their bitch in. Oh, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, you need to get out, and I'll pay you to move out because I'm moving Johnny. Because, you know, Johnny does the sucky-sucky. Because I love Johnny. Because I love Johnny.

I decided to leave my wife for Johnny, which happens. Remember the two guys that work in education, invocational? Paul. Oh, yeah, Paul. And Ron, Paul and Ron. Paul and Ron. Paul was married with kids, met Ron in prison, fell maddenly in love, then got caught fucking in the shower. That's right. Yes. And they ship them. They ship him. And you know what happened, by the way. He went back to his wife, I believe, or something. They broke up. I know they, oh, I didn't know you knew they broke up. Yeah, I was still in common when that happened. He was so upset. You know, he had a cup with Paul's picture in it, which I drew.

and because that was my hustle, by the way. I used to tattoo the mugs and put like whatever they wanted. So he gave me a picture of his boo and I tattooed it and I gave it back to him and he carried Paul everywhere and put him in his mouth.

And the point is Connor. And then Paul left him. Don't go to prison. Well, the showers, you were there when the guy with the tits. Oh, of course. I was there with three different guys

Yeah, there was one that looked like a crackhead, but there was another one that looked like, not a crackhead. And that was like a little perturbing. The tall... Bro, wait. He had a woman's name, Gina or Angie. They all gave him a woman's name.

No, but this one had changed his name legally. Oh, okay. That wasn't the drug program. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's the one that got caught. After the drug program got caught, lost like the year, got caught because he was blowing all the other, blowing a bunch of guys.

And he had a journal. Yes, yes. And he was like, I run everybody that I fuck here. I wrote, I'm going to post this. And I was like, oh, my God. Yeah. And Dr. Smith called him in, and he, I think he lost his year. He lost everything.

Yeah. I could call my old celly. Remember my old celly? Who? Miss Smith? Miss Smith. Remember the transgender? Black?

The black? Yes. Look, we're friends on Facebook. Oh, Lord. I don't even want to ask. I think I'm going to. Oh, I, wait, wait. Oh, my God.

Well, he should know the name. I want to say, it was like Gina or Angie or it was a name like that. It was a short name. Yeah, yeah. It was like Ariel or whatever, yeah. But it was perturbing because he had huge tits. Yeah. There was one that came in had fake tits and the fake ass implants.

And he had changed his face and he looked like a, and he had like a little diamond here. Cheap implant. This is weird because you're in a men's prison and you're walking into the child hole that's where we eat. And out of a sudden you look at a table and you see these huge tits and a tight shirt

and your eyes immediately go to the tits and then you go, oh my God, that's a dude. And then you feel like the crying game. You want to go to the shower? You know, I'm so dirty. You know, because you're like checking out the training. Yeah, it was just...

I can't find. But you know what's crazy, that guy will walk around the wreckyard? Yeah. And you see all these guys taking their shirts off and doing pull. Come on. Put some weight. Put some weight. I mean, you guys are pathetic. You know that guy has a dick probably bigger than yours. You know? Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Those are some of the, also going back to the prison hustles. I used to make fun of, by the way, cell phones are a big hustle. And there was an article the other day that I posted on my on my Facebook page. Some BOP officers got busted because are you calling Ms. Smith? I'm trying. Oh my God, you're so, that's scary. Gabriel?

Oh my God, this is horrendous. So, really, hold on, real names, uh, Greg. That's, that's funny. No. He's, listen, he can talk with, mouthful, Mama Tom. Jesus. I have to say that.

So it's a... Hello? Please leave your message. It's not going to happen. Okay, that would have been hilarious. That would have been very funny. We could have put a picture of... Miss Smith up and...

Good talk. Because Miss Smith, Miss Smith used to date whatever Ariel or whatever the name was of the other point. Ex-boyfriend. So there was a whole issue there. I used to tell them men, you came to prison for that

because there was like a huge drama and they will slap each other on the red yard and you bitch and blah blah and I'll be like, man there was a gaggle of them. There was like at one point there was five or six of them they would walk around and they would walk around and they would see some guy would look up and they'd be like hey and then they started selling

by the way they started selling women's underwear in commissary and makeup in commissary but prior to that for the transgender's before transgender that we just had the gay guys they used to take the M&Ms and they will dip them on water and they will use that as

we'll call you back in a few oh my God and they will like use it to put makeup on so they will put like M&M color on their cheeks and I used to tell them dude you fall asleep on the reg yard ants are gonna fucking eat your face up

that's all sugar so so but what I was telling you the BOP the guards used to bring cell phones in and and that's not the issue because it's not the cell phone

is where you keep it. Oh, yeah. So there is always one guy. I mean, you're not, it's not an iPhone. You're not carrying an iPhone. Yeah, but they're not that small, bro. I don't give a fuck what phone you have. I'm not putting it up my ass.

It could be, I don't care who you want to sell it. It's not, I'm not buying it. But you have somebody that was your cell phone holder. Usually, most of the times, this guy was a, from a specific island. without a without a and

listen they charge big bucks they will charge like a hundred bucks a day or 50 bucks a day to carry the phone up their ass

all day and they will take it out when the guy will say like listen can I have the phone I need to make

some phone calls it will be usually on lockdown so the guy will go to his cell take the phone out of his ass and literally

like clean it up a little bit because he was wrapped and then hand it to the owner of the phone so that was a hustle yeah

you know that was a I mean, listen. Washing shoes. Washing tennis shoes is a hustle. But I used to tell these guys that walked in, they will say like, hey man, what is they? How do you make money here?

All these young kids. And I will say, listen, there's many ways. You can wash shoes. You can get a job. Okay, okay. Of course, if you get a job, you're making, you know, $18 or $13 a month? Yeah, unless you're, like, super educated

and you work for a great boss. And then you'll make like 60, maybe $80. Yeah, maybe $80. Like in GED paid like $80 a month. That's what I used to make and I hated a job. And then a month. You will say. A month, by the way.

That's $80 a month. And that's a great job at typically $12 to $16. And make these numbers. Out of those $80, $95, not $95%, $95, went to calling my kids because every call was $3.50. or if you have restitution I know if you have restitution so you're always short

so that's why you have to hustle so I would tell them listen you can either clean shoes or you can clean cells or you can do laundry or you can cook for somebody or listen you can suck dick and all these guys

will always say hey and how much the sucking dick pay they did that and I'll be like stop come on kidding me and it was all this young kid

from this specific place and I will say like yeah And I'd be like, dude, why don't you guys want the other hustle? No, no, no. I'm just, listen, it's a prison hustle, bro. Oh, my God. And how about this?

I'm just gay for the stay. Oh, yeah, I've heard that one. I'm just gay for the stay. I'm like, I don't know if you're just gay for the stay. You know? So what about, so the other prison hustle is cleaning people's rooms. But we were talking about earlier, we were talking about how you would, they would talk to these guys like they were dogs. Like, so you're some big time drug dealer.

Let's say, let's say you're some from, you're a car. The guy that kidnapped me. Yeah, for instance. Yeah. He works for the, works for the state, right? He's got a ton of money. He's in there for three or four years. And he's got people cooking for him, doing his laundry, folding his clothes, organizing or keeping all of his stuff in their locker.

Somebody else's locker, because you don't have enough locker for. He's phone up their ass. His phone up their ass, making his bed. And then when he would see the, when they see the guy, they're walking down the hallway and they see the guy and go, Hey, hey, I fucking pay you to sweep my room twice a fucking day. Go fucking sweep my goddamn room. You fucking, you ain't swept that room today. And they're like, oh, sorry, sir, sorry, sorry.

And they would run, scatter down the thing and go and sweep the guy's room. Crazy. Crazy. They were treated like slaves. Right. But if you're educated. And you have a phone up your ass. You don't treat people that put your phone up their ass like that.

I mean, you have to have some consideration. That's a big effort, bro. I mean, can you imagine that guy all of a sudden? What's wrong? You're getting a call. Bro. Someone's calling. One day, and I always tell this story in class.

Who is it? It's your wife. It's a different ring. One day we're all in a stand-up setting. I was on Alpha 3. It's a stand-up count. The prison that we were at was cubicles. So it was cubicles on this side,

cubicles on this side, and a hole in between. It's a photo call clown, bro. It's quiet as fuck. And I hear, and I go, oh my God, somebody has a fucking phone with a ringer on. So the guards go, and they're calling the cameras.

Right. So the cameras can tell them where the phone is at. And all I'm seeing is, we hear that all the keys coming, and these guys, I see the phone going down the floor, and they're sliding the phone from cubicle to cubicle. Right. So the camera is going,

Cubicle 13, cubicle 18, cubicle 24. And these guys are going on zigzag. And then they go, cubicle 48. And you see the guy's coming in, walking out, cell phone's gone. There's no cell phone on cubicle 48. Where was the cell phone? And on a sudden we see the guy from cubicle 48

and he's like, all right, this guy is, dude, but that's raw. I mean, this guy's like, no Vaseline. This is like an emergency. This is like in case of emergency, break the glass. This guy got the cell phone and went, voo!

No lube, no nothing, bro. That man earned his money that day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That's worth, that's worth at least a honeybun. At least an extra honeybund. That's what they used to call him. I think that's what they used to call him honeybuns.

By the way, they charge our reward. That's an extra, that has a premium because you have to charge like this. Oh, yeah. With your phone. The charge, yeah. Yeah, I saved your phone. It's different than keeping your phone.

It's not just the phone they're keeping up there. Oh, no, and the charger. And the charger. Yeah, yeah. Or I'm drunk. Like, people would be like, oh, like when I was in Miami, hey, the Puerto Ricans are coming. The Puerto Ricans are coming.

And they're loaded. They're loaded. And I'm like, loaded with one. Oh, they bring cigarettes and they bring drugs and they bring phones. I'm like, where? Dude, up their ass. Up their ass. I'm like, bro, you know.

I don't know if I want to smoke a cigarette that was on somebody's ass. Period. I don't know if I want to make a call on. cell phone that is on somebody that. But, you know, $4,500, one cell phone. But, so the other hustle is, if you're educated, you can, you can, the other hustle would be, um, to do legal work. Legal work. I did a lot of, uh, power of attorneys. Yeah. People left their kids out. Kids got sick. Family couldn't take them to the doctor, get them treated because they didn't have a power of attorney. So not to yourself. Have a power attorney for somebody. So we used to have them and we used to

have a notary in prison. Right, right. One of the consulers and they charge you, believe it or not, they charge you like, what was it, like $8 to notarize a piece of paper or some shit like that? Oh, well, actually, in the low, they actually had somebody who came and it was like $45 because somebody would come from out of... It was somebody's wife. From, oh, what, at Coleman?

Yeah, it was a staff member's wife. They started a service to where the inmates have to pay $45 to get something, and they wouldn't come out for one person. There had to be four or five people, so you've got four. five people at $45 a piece. And then I will walk around the compound and there will be Matt sitting in his little concrete table outside.

Right. With Frank, this is when he wasn't in the library. With no other than Frank Amadeus. Mm-hmm. And then I think we've got to talk about. Amadeo. Amadeo.

Listen. I call him all kinds of stuff. That's the emperor you're talking about. I know. He's sooner or later. Wait until he gets out again. Again. Again.

This time he's got a plan. And that guy that spoke with the aliens, he had a Hispanic last name. He talked, he heard voices. He was homeless. And then he got stuck into the, come on, bro. You and I used to hang out with him. And he talked to people from other planets. And the aliens are coming.

I told you the other day, you have him as a friend on Facebook. And you say, yeah, Martinez, Hernandez. He's a white dude, but he has a Hispanic last name. I'm not sure. There were so many crazy people. He was a sovereign citizen. Oh, no, you're talking. I know you're talking.

He didn't talk to aliens. You're talking about Chris Marrero. Chris Marrero. He spoke with people from all our planets. He believes in the aliens and he believes in the, that the Ananaki are actually, which is an alien race, is actually running the entire planet. He believes in, he was Matt's friend. He's a sovereign citizen. He believes, he's, he, he, I would love to get him on the pocket.

He was homeless. He, oh, I know. He would go forever. He would talk, be able to talk about. this stuff in a very, very detailed, precise way for hours and hours. And it would make it, he's fascinating. He's fascinating. He is a fascinating character. In a crazy, yeah. Yes, totally insane. You've never met anybody like this. Connor, you would love this guy. This guy should have not, he shouldn't be a guest here. He should have his own time. No, he should. Listen, he sends me

stuff every single day. Everything that he sends me, by the way, is insane. Every day he sends me stuff. Just give me his contact info. You know, I did time with all his co-defendants. Here he is right here, Chris Marrero. Kid Romero. Oh, wait, that's, you know what? It's, hold on, it's messengers, what he? Yeah, here, look, one of the first people come up right here.

Look at this. Obviously, he's a huge Trump supporter. But this is all, everything he, look, you see how he, all these things, all the, this is all stuff he sent me. It's all straight. I guarantee you he's on this whole, the earth is flat. No, he's not. He's not, he's not, he's not a, he's not a, he's not. the earth. Listen, I mean, he's crazy. I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie to you. He's

crazy. But look, look, afterlife. This is, this one's on afterlife. So this is Matt's friend. So Matt is sitting on this table with Frank, with Chris. This one, look, this one is about the camps that they're, they're building camps for us. For who? Oh, in another planet? No, it's not. The other planet is just, he doesn't think we're going to another planet. This is here. He believes that COVID is here to like, so they control us and they're going to put us all in these FEMA camps. He's got a whole FEMA camp thing going on.

All right. What's up guys? Welcome back to you. So you have to understand this. Here's Matt with Frank Amadeo who's fucking insane. Yeah.

He thinks he's going to be emperor of the world. With Chris Marrero. He hears voices. Who is fucking insane. Both of these guys hear voices, by the way. Super entertaining.

Chris Marrero does not hear voices. And he just he's just crazy. Occasionally, it will be your sidekick on legal paperwork. Oh, wait. Pete. Pete. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Pete. Occasionally it will be Pete, which it was brought a little normality to the group because he was super smart. Super smart, but Pete has a touch of Asperger's. So he's a little corky, but super smart. I mean, we're talking about amazingly intelligent and he's got like a photographic memory. memory and but then that will be what about coroni dennis caroni that is coroni then there's dennis caroni what a fucking nut job yeah i wrote a story about coroni i wrote a story about corone

called indefensible you want to talk about someone who got screwed over corone lent a friend of his dead brothers his dead brother his brother who died who had a friend he said so he's my friend by proxy i lend him fifty thousand dollars to open up a a pain clinic well guess what before it was for Finfin. Before Finfin, before we could open up the Finfin Diet Clinic in New Orleans, Finfin became illegal, so they opened up a pain management clinic. Coroni, who lived in L.A., who had nothing to do with it, they opened it up, it starts running. Coroni calls every couple of days to say, hey, how much money did you make today, hey, what's going on with this, hey, what's going on with that? Send me some money, send me some money. So Coroni is a part of the

business, but only so much as he's, send me some money, send me some money, too, because he's a They're saying that he's getting paid. It is, but he doesn't realize that it's a pain. Actually, it wasn't a pill mill. It was just a pain clinic. Listen, if I told you the whole story on how he, so the guy who lends 50 grand and has nothing to do with the operation of the place,

ends up getting indicted. He feels like he didn't do anything wrong, so he goes to trial. Man, what a mistake that was. 19 and a half years from. Listen, that's enough to make anybody crazy. Yeah. But this is the funny part.

You walk Monday by that table, where Matt sitting with all these white crazy men on Tuesday you walk Corona is Jewish but that makes him not white Oh no I guess he's white He's white But on Tuesday you walk like Matt's table

Same table Now he's surrounded by Snoop Snoop And all the other Snoop DV Correct so now it's Matt With like six black guys

Yeah All writing either urban novels And or true crime stories. And here in the middle is, of course, Matt, doing his thing, you know, coaching on the writing and proofreading and all the stuff. And occasionally, I would be lucky enough to walk by. And they'd be like, hey, Venezuela, come here. Check this out. And they will give me like a manuscript to read. And I'll give him some feedback. And I'll be like, yeah, I think you use the word fuck that hoe a little too much on that chapter, you know.

I gave that bitch the pipe. I got that bitch. And she said, give it to me, give it to me, give to me. I gave her that black python. Why didn't this guy give it to her? I knocked the wig off that shit. You know all saying? So, so that, that, I got my exposure to that. So, so there was a little, there was a very diverse group you hung out. Yeah, I can, I can, I can hang with the, I can hang with the urban, you know, homeboys. Or I can hang with the guy who owned the power plant. Remember, did you ever meet the guy who owned the power plant?

What was that? Oh, what was his name? Hey, what happened to Lance? Lance. I've been trying to get a whole of Lance. Lance was, Lance was my boy. I'll tell you what. Well, because he takes one to no one.

I know, but Lance. Lance, everybody I know about everybody I know as far as Lance Lance went to prison, Lance was going to help everybody and look after everybody care about everything. And now, everybody I know, he doesn't respond. Listen, we're talking about prison. This guy, and I was

thinking about that on the way here, because you come across as a piece of shit. Yeah. And he is. I hurt my feelings a little bit. But if I had feelings. But if you see the other, because somebody the other day told me the same thing about me. It's like, man, you're such an asshole, but then you do all these things and people

just don't know what you do. And, and you just you'll just love that whole asshole image. And I'm like, no, it's just people don't dig deep enough. And not as well I give a fuck about what people think. But this is one of the guys that when he got out, you sent money to people. Me? Oh, I sent money to people. Yeah.

And when people got out, they reached out to you. Yes. And you gave money to people that were out. Absolutely. I gave money to, I don't want to say anything. We're not going to say any name, but I know. Actually, I got out. A guy got out two years before me.

He was living in his car. I know. And I was in the halfway house and I sent him money. And listen, bro, I got out. when I got out, I reached out to you. Right. And you were like, man, you have to come over. I was one of the first people that you reached out.

Yeah, and he's like, you got to come over, you got to see what I'm doing, and I'm going to get you started and blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, so like I said, that is a code. That is a prison code. The issue with Lance is you already knew from the get-go, that mother, and by the way, he embezzled $3 billion with a B-dollar. Not three million.

I did third, I remember when I met him, I said, hey, Lance, you know, he's like, oh, so how much was your crime? I said, man, 39 million, you know, big case. he's like, yeah, yeah, that's a big case. And here I'm like, that's the interest on what he owes. And so I'm telling him one day and like, man, I remember, you know, I, we had this, the company had like this little helicopter that we will fly back and forth at Robinson 44 because it was super cheap and you could fly to like Miami and it was in mind, it was my

partners, but it was super cool because I will say like, I'm going to Miami and I'll jump with the helicopter and just being Miami like 45 minutes. And he was like, yeah, man, yeah, I did the same. thing with my jets and I'm like Jets. Jets. Plural? Yeah. And I'm like, okay, so your case is a... So I said, listen, how much is your case? He goes, just a couple

zeros more than yours. And I said, like, 300 million? He goes, no, no, no. There is a no, you gotta add another zero. I'm like, what the fuck, bro? Like $3 billion? He's like, yeah, yeah. But I gave back two. By the way, this motherfucker gave back

$2 billion. And so he kept one, obviously. or not because they think we kept some money. And he's out. But that guy had some knowledge. Yeah, yeah. He's a sharp guy. He's a sharp guy.

But he's all, he did, he did like 20 years, bro. Yeah, he did some hard time. He's now 78. You know he went to trial and they start. So he went to trial and they sent him to the pen. Yeah. This is a guy, nonviolent crime. You sent him to the pen.

All man, 58 years old goes to the pen, gets his ass kick. Yeah, because guys were trying to shake him down. He said, I'm not going to pay anybody. boom they beat the fucking piss out of him taught gED at the pen had to ask for permission from the gangs to be able to teach g ed i mean he had he has a great story i'm trying to get him to come to we're going to have to go to him probably but

yeah i'm irritated that he's not returning phone calls to anybody not that i've ever reached out to him but yeah i ate breakfast with him every morning for a year by the way but not every morning but probably five days a week five or six days a week for a year when he first got to a lot or no no no when i just before i left oh so yeah i got moved into the same unit as him and there were a couple other guys i hung out with that also ate with him so we all ended up eating at the same time yeah you you you have those guys but you also have and you look at that you even have the tranny on your phone so you have listen you guys i love miss smith not in that way

you know you know and i and i and by the way i could because you ever heard it the the 10 year card that once you do more than 10 years you get a free Yeah. When you get, yeah, when they say, well, I got my 10 year card. So if you've done more than 10 years, you get a free pass. It's okay. Well, if you do under 10, I depend, they'll tell you like, it's not until you fuck the fifth guy. I'm like, dude, I think after you fuck the first one, you kind of know, you kind of know, if you like it or not. Yeah. You're like, no, no, no, no. You fuck five, you're gay, bro. So what if I fuck four? Listen, you were just trying to ask. Listen, I, I glanced too long at another guy. You were, you were taking it out for a spin. You know, you were kicking out the tires or whatever. I'm like, mm, I don't. I I don't know. Listen, Ms. Smith was hilarious. I want to say, is that the one that looked like a, I don't want to be offensive, that like a little bit like a cricket? No.

No. You know, look like Serena Williams. That is like the most offensive comment for Serena Williams that you can make, probably. We should have, put hashtag Serena Williams on this video. I'm sure she'll love it. I'm trying to. I can't, why can I not... See her pictures?

Just send me the ones that she sent you. Gregory Smith. No, it's Gabriel, bro. Oh, is it? Gabrielle, is that what it was? Of course, man. Gabrielle Smith. You don't want to...

But I don't know what I have. Well, just show me the ones that don't show... No, you know... Oh, I know what it is. I got to go there. I don't need to see what's under the hood. I already know. Just, just wrong.

so many ways. So I have a friend of mine who used to take a shower. He was taking a shower in front of the one that we were talking about, the tall black dude with the tits. Right. And by the way, they charge to show you their tits. Of course.

Like five bucks. Just to show them to you. So the guy's taking a shower and he's like, man, I'm going to get a free peek at the tits, whatever. So he's like... A free peek at the teeth. So he's like trying to get a peek of the tits.

And he's telling me the story. And he's like, man, I'm trying to see. And this dude is like facing the walls so nobody sees his teeth, whatever. And out of a sudden, I guess the black dude, the tranny, goes like this to wash his feet or whatever. And he goes, I could see like his dick swinging under the shower. And I'm like, I'm done. Oh my God.

So that was after my name. That was after my time. No, no, that was after my time. Look. Oh, wow. Yikes. Serena Williams. No, right?

Well, well, you know. What's going on? What is... Wait, wait, wait. That's confusing. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's both arousing and perturbing. Is this the other thing? Is that the one that I'm talking about?

No, no, no, no. What, what's, what, what, by the way, there are, most of them are, are in prison for fraud. Oh, oh, yeah, credit card fraud. No, this was tax fraud. And they get fraud to get money to get operated. Yeah. Yeah, because I remember talking to them, and they were like, it was well worth it. I'll do four years, but look at this.

Look at what I got. I remember, Ms. Smith, when I said, so you're going to go through the whole thing. Are you going to get – I said, you're getting the surgery, and she's like, absolutely, I'm getting the surgery. I go, well, what are you going to do with when they snip it? What are you going to do with it? He goes, I go, what do you mean? I said, are you going to keep it, like keep it in a jar? Like, like, for melda.

You're going to keep it, keep it. She goes. I don't want no I don't want anything to do with this thing this thing's been nothing but problems for me we were laughing so hard listen I'm they they're you gotta bring him here bro because the stories they tell they used to tell me you know who used to

who were the guys that used to get with me all married guys and not to fuck me I was like wait a second whoa they're like yeah and you know in prison a lot of these guys they don't want to fuck me They want me to fuck them. I'm like, dude. And, and, guys, you would walk by and throw notes in the cell.

How about commissary? Oh, yeah. Tons of commissary. Tons. You saw. Biggin. So that's, you know, those are some of the hustles. So if you're watching this and you're a tranny,

listen, the best. You are not going to do hard time. This is what I was going to say. That honestly, you know what one of the enhancements needs to be in the, in the, when they revise the federal sentencing guidelines, they need to do an enhancement for homosexuals. Homosexuals do not have it nearly as hard as straight guys. If you're a homosexual and you go to prison, this should be an enhancement because they should have to do more time because the truth is they're getting, they're doing way less, way softer time. I'm doing way harder time than a

homosexual. And listen, I'm all about the LBGTQ. I support it. You'll see if I ever do podcast, I wear my shirts that says, dude, I have pictures. It says, I'm straight, but I don't hate. I mean, I'm all about it. I support the community, big, but I have no, I have no issues with that. My sister is gay. I love her to pieces. You know, listen, I'm comfortable enough with my sexuality where I don't have to deal

with that shit. Can you imagine that comments I'm going to get because I'm saying she? But, well, you know, they like to refer as she is. As a matter of fact, there was a memo that was passed on the BOP that said, you refer to that inmate as either she or inmate. Yes. And I was in the drug program and I had no choice. Yeah. But you remember when they had gay day? Oh yeah. Yeah. Of course. They had a gay day in prison. They had a party. And they had a special meal. And they had a special meal. And of course. I don't know if I ever told you the story, but I was working on education. So the education department is right here. And vocational is right here. So all I had to walk was like literally maybe 20 feet. And that's where they had the party. And they had like amazing food. So I I'm working and I tell my co-worker, bro, I'm going to go to the gay day stuff

on the next move. We have a five-minute move where we can go to where we're going and we can come back in five minutes. Yeah, because then they close the compound and if you're caught on the compound, if you're caught on the compound, once they lock all the doors,

if you're caught outside of a building, then you can get a shot. You're in trouble. So I tell this guy, listen, I'm going to take the five-minute move. I'm going to go there, get some food and come back. Right. And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, bro.

Hook me up. I'm like, don't worry, I got you. So I run to vocational. I opened the door. Dude, I come back to my job with nothing. And the guy goes, what the fuck, bro? Where's the food?

I said, bro, I couldn't do it. He goes, what happened? He said, I walk in, lights are off. They have a disco ball on. They have music playing. And there's inmates dancing with inmates. And he goes, are you fucking kidding me? And I said, no, bro.

And he goes, so why didn't you get the food? I said, bro, what if I got stuck? there. I have to be there for an hour. And he goes, dude, what's the problem? I said, bro, I would have to dance with one of those guys, you know? I mean, so I just don't want to dance with any of those guys, so I came back. So we had a gay day. And I had a visit during that week, and my kids told me the whole prison was decorated with like rainbows and gay pride and the whole thing. And my daughters were like, dad, is this like, is this like turning in? to a gay prison.

I'm like, I don't know, but it could very well be since I learned to crochet while I was here and I learned to paint. So, yeah, it's, you know, we have stories. Okay. We have stories. Let's, do you want to wrap this up? Let's wrap this up, yeah.

I'm starting to feel uncomfortable. So I'm feeling uncomfortable with the situation. For my next podcast, I'm going to bring, with Matt, I'm going to bring my, I'm straight, but I don't hate a shirt, to see what he's going to say. And then you guys can come and say, hey dude we need to get miss smith on here we definitely need to get miss i'll pitch in for that trip yeah

and and and he can stay here no he can't stay i'm just kidding all right i'm just kidding okay so colby's house colby will callby will put up miss smith will host we'll host miss miss yes i agree 100% if you like the podcast do me a favor and subscribe hit the like button hit the hit the hit the bell so you get notified leave a comment in the description for the algorithm and share the video to all of your friends and family i appreciate you watching and this was matt cox and juan sanchise asa logo see you after logo no bemo whatever that meant