Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

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Epstein, was he in the same prison that you were in? Yes. It's the government that gangsters. If you go too far, you will magically die. I call the Clintons, the sixth family. They should have been part of the mafia. Did you see Elon Musk on Joe Rogan? Doja's going in.

When Rogan asked him about it, well, do you know where the money's going? And then he went, yes. And he's like, well, can you tell us? He's like, the fact that he was doing the whole, I can't tell you. Like, I can't say, like. No, he's scared. But think about it. You're probably because you're rich.

You're filthy rich. You're filthy, rich, and being wealthy in the United States makes you powerful. But obviously, he feels he's not safe. Like, he knows something that so makes him unsafe. I'll give you something real fast, and we'll give an example. There's a guy, if you look them up, he created cars that run on water. Oh, yeah, I've heard this. He created cars that ran on water.

Right. And they offered him the oil tycoons. Millions, stop. He refused. He went to a meeting. He drank water. he goes, they poison me. He dropped dead right there. If you go too far and you really go against their money, like Elon Musk is saying,

the money, you will magically die. If you believe, if you believe in your heart that Jeffrey Epstein in that cell, you're crazy. You know in those cells it's impossible. I mean, look, yeah, I've been in those cells. I think guards do, look, I admit it's extremely suspicious. But the cameras, you can't do that. I hear you, I hear you, but cameras do often not work. I can't imagine.

Here's my biggest problem. My biggest problem is not the camera's not working. It's not the guy's falling asleep. Here's my biggest problem with the whole situation is that how do you get someone, like it depends on how you think he died. How do you get somebody else into the entire prison into that wing, into that cell to kill him with other inmates? I don't. There's not other inmates. Well, that's what I'm saying.

You're in a private area. But he had another guy, he had another cellie in there. I think having that celly kill him is more reasonable. Or reasonable. What do you think about him maybe saying, telling the CEO, I thought this scenario, hey, I'll give you a couple million dollars, give me something to kill me off with. Or what I thought it was all, so what about the end, the other, there was another inmate in there, like telling the box.

Telling that inmate to kill him. And that guy died of a heart attack in a cab that was going to go on a show. Hey, want to hear how sick that is? That's odd. Oh, he died of a heart attack in the back of a cab three days before he was supposed to go get interview and tell everything that Epstein told him. He magically dies in a fucking cab. Wow, what a coincidence.

they have a thing called a heart attack gun you know that no oh yeah it's real makes you have a heart attack i think the problem this is the government bro you cannot fuck with them to a certain extent they will make you vanish bro it's just the way it goes i think the problem is that most conspiracies nowadays are real are seem insane until they're proven real like what is it the difference between a conspiracy what's the chances of his bunky dying three days before he's giving interviews about Epstein telling him things. There's no, it's too much Listen, it's too much of a

coincidence. I'm sorry. Okay, and that I'll give you, it's too much of a coincidence. Come on. What I am saying is, cameras don't work, guards fall asleep. Right. So, but, but, and my problem is, I would have to be like, how do you, how would you get some, it had to be somebody in the prison with him there to do, to pull that off.

It has to be a guard, it has to be another inmate. No, I can see those scenarios. It's all the way into the prison. I believe someone had him killed or I believe he asked the guy to give him, like, I'll pay you to, because he'll take money all time for bribes in there, especially in there. Yo, he's a billionaire. There's no way he actually did it himself, though. Someone helped him.

Someone helped him. That's just what it is. I think the other problem is he's a narcissist. A narcissist just don't kill themselves. They just never kill themselves. What was the other guy, the guy who did the antivirus? He had a fucking program with his... What about...

Wait, what about the plane that crashed with all the... Oh, this is a great one, too. In Brazil. Oh, and this is great. They're all cancer research doctors, ready for this? That have cures for cancer. What do you think happened to the plane, guys? Oh, imagine he went down.

Wow, they're all dead. Oh, really? Wow, what a coincidence. And the eight doctors didn't make it on the plane. They would have been dead, too. These are all master... Well, Epstein, was he in the same prison that you were in? Yes.

If you think about a lot of things when it comes to, like, When it comes to money with the government, you're going to die. They don't give a fuck what you release. As long as anything about their money and messing up their money, you're going to die. There's so many crazy scenarios where, like, Hillary Clinton, I remember the lady was coming out. She was writing a book on Hillary and Bill, and then all of a sudden she magically gets shot and thrown in the water. I mean, it's just like, why would somebody shoot this lady that worked for the White House?

Shoot her and throw in the water. It's just like, so many scenarios just sound just so insane that you're just like, and it's never talked about. Yeah, I was just, I was just thinking about John McAfee. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another, that's a weird one. That's, they're all weird. John McAfee, he was, and he came out saying, look, if I could, if I end up unaliving myself, he's like, it's like, it's like, because they was about to be, you remember that? He was about to be indicted. He was about to be, um, he was about to be brought back to the United States. And he was saying, they know, if I get brought back there, what I'm going to say and I'm going to expose all this, all that. And then within like

the next day, he was dead. guy does it for me. The guy to create the car on water, shows you everything. You don't do what they want. They fucking poison him at a meeting in broad daylight. With the people sitting at the table, killed them right at the table. You could look it up. It's a real story. He literally wouldn't take the money from the billionaire tycoons and they fucking killed him, bro. It's that simple. You mess with money. That's it. You're gone. It's just what it is. You know, think about CIA agents sign their life over to them because they don't exist. When you go to countries and you get captured, they don't claim you. Right. Yeah. You know, it's all

fucked up. They don't care. What do they call it, the knock list? They don't care about you. It's crazy. Those world we live in is really nuts. And they talk about, oh, inhumane. They're inhumane. That's the fucked up part. A human life to them is a cockroach. You know what I mean? So it's really, the world is really fucking weird, man, to me. I believe a lot of conspiracy theories are real. Aliens are real. This is all real. I think that the more time goes on, the more being exposed for sure. Not all of them are real, but I mean, I do believe a lot of them. JFK, where do you get shot from? Well, I'd shoot him. I would love. It shows the guy shot him in the front seat.

Well, I don't know. I haven't seen that one. But I'm dying to see what the, what the file show. I don't think it was one shooter. I think it was multiple. What about the 9-11 files? They're talking about that's worse than anything. They're saying the 9-11 files is actually worse than, they're saying the 9-11 files is going to have America Furious.

How about that? Are they saying they're going to release this? I don't even know if they can. It'll probably cause a fucking riot because they're saying that the 9-11 files is worse than everything they have. There was a clip on the inauguration day where they're saying, we're going to release these Epstein files, JFK files,

and they never said 9-11 files, and there's like a video of... They can't show it. They're saying that... I guess it's going to cause like an uproar. They're saying that the FBI director said that the 9-11 files is the worst thing of them all. That the JFK thing is not what you think.

He was saying that. Right. But the 9-11 is bad. Do you think anything significant is going to come of... I don't think they can release the 9-11 files. Or the Epstein or JFK, because the Epstein, supposedly, was just supposed to release... be released Friday and at least bullshit it's like bullshit I don't think they can I think the

names on it are so bad I don't know it goes I mean when you start talking about the names that might be on it you're going to bring down the system I don't know if they could do it I don't know how ruthless Donald Trump could get I mean to a point where you know they might have to take some people out this is getting like you know they're exposing too many secrets I don't know I don't know how this goes you know I'm not one of them but I can tell you what I'll lie if you're going I wonder I was thinking about actually my wife and I were talking about this the other day

and I was thinking I wonder like at what point does this what do they call it the dark state or the deep state that at what point assuming there is a deep state and I don't know that there's an actual organization that is it's not like they all get together but I do believe in the idea

that not all participants of a conspiracy have to know one another in order as long as all of their interests align. So I think that if there's a deep state, at what point do they say Trump is such an issue for us, he has to go. And if you do that, they try that already. But yeah, but if you, no, if you do, I'm saying if they, you really get together and you do that, you can't just get rid of Trump. You have to get rid of Vance. You have to get rid of, you have to get rid of a whole bunch of people that Trump went through. And instead of putting

normal people in the government, he pulled, he pulled those people out and he put people that We're only loyal to him. So that means you basically have to go with Trump, with the president, the vice president, FBI director. You have to go through and there's got to be 30 people that you have to take out at the same time. How is that possible? You can't. And I think they might know their limits at some point, maybe. Where they just had, we just have to grow grin and bear it.

I think so. I'm not saying I know everything and I don't. I'm just saying I just think there's limits where like Elon Musk said, I don't want to get killed. Yeah. And he's talking real talk. You know what I mean? Yeah. If you think about it, how powerful he is for him to say, I think that I could be in danger if I really told what we've uncovered.

Yeah. And let's face it, he's basically saying, like, look, my job is to try. You know these guys have hit teams that work for them. Like, I'm not trying to sound like a movie thing. You know that Hillary Clinton them and have like, not mercenaries, but like Navy SEALs, people like that that work for them. Train killers, not saying that they do hit do hits for them, but that's what they do. They've done it in the military, like they're killers. That's what they do.

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So if they want you gone, you're gone. They'll shoot you from 800 miles away on a fucking direct hit in your head if they really want you gone. You know that, right? from 1,000 miles away, sorry. I don't know about 1,000 miles. Yes, it is.

I hear you. But I hear you. It's on record. It's 1,000. They'll shoot you from a fucking, they'll shoot you from 10 football fields away, right in your face. And that's if they want you gone. Think about it.

You know what I'm saying? So I believe if you do too much. Something happens. Something happens. Hillary Clinton had 45. Do you know that? Look into it. Seems a little coincidental.

But not going to get into that. It's crazy. I understand there's a lot of very suspicious deaths around her and her husband. 45. I looked into it. 45. Okay. Forty-five people committed to the next hour.

If it was 10, it's probably still pretty odd. It's just insane. I mean, you know, to me, those are my, I hate them the most, that family. I hate them. Despise them, everything about them. But they're gangsters. That's what they are. They're a sixth family.

I call the Clintons, the sixth family. They should have been part of the mafia. And, you know, seriously. And I always said this. I always wanted to know one brain. I wish I could have for a day is George Bush Sr. He knows every. secret ever in America.

Do you know he knows every secret? He used the head of CIA for 30 years. He had the highest clearance in the world, I mean, for the country. Right. He knows, he probably hung out with a fucking alien. How about that? All right? In the ship, okay?

I would love to know what he knows. So I, so there used to be like a thing where people would go around and they say, if you could spend a day talking to one person, who would it be? I used to say, George Bush. Well, I mean, if I could. Only because of the CIA. I would say if he tells me everything. No, no.

And you have a complete. If he was there with a shit like this to me privately and tell me all the secrets, you would just be mortified because the things that he knows is probably like, I remember they were saying he was bringing drugs. They were catching Pablo's guys and submarines bringing drugs over there. The CIA was blatantly killing the cartel guys and taking the drugs. Right. They don't know that.

Like, robbing the drug dealers. Like, you know, like their shit is so crazy. You know what I mean? So, like, they're gangses to me. That's what they are. In suits. They are, they're just the government. They're gangsters.

It's what they are. They're the real gangsters. That's what you need to do is have a studio where you go in and just talk about, if you just talked about current topics, current things that are happening. Just like you were like, no, no, that happened a long time. We already know that guy got indicted. You already know all about it. Yeah. That's my old boss. Right. So I'm saying bring it up. You can bring it. Listen, bring up anything you think is good. No, I'm not saying bring it up. Yeah. I'm saying you set something up, just like this in a spare room. Yeah. And you set it up. And as topics come up, you do a video. You're like, I know so and so. Here's the thing, Matt, though. I'm not burning. I'm not. out because I don't have a show. If you see a lot of these guys, they're getting burnt the fuck out. And the mob genre, I'm keeping it alive,

with beefing with people and doing the things I do. But other than that, that shit is dead. It's dead. It's only me, Mike, in France. It's only me, Mike, and Sammy keeping up numbers right now.

If you look at everyone's numbers, they're horrible. I understand. Dominic Sicali's numbers are horrible. Jimmy Kalanger's left. He's horrible. John Panis, he's like Mr. Rogers. Horrible, boring.

No one listens to these guys. They're all horrible. The only ones you got is Sammy Mike and me. That's it. So I'm trying not to get burnt out. You know what I mean? Okay. The difference is that Michael Franzis and Sammy the Bull are probably making $40,000 or $50,000 a month.

Sammy's doing more. Every time I talk about anything, I'm conservative. Yeah. Let's say $40,000. Let's say it's 50. Yeah. $50,000 a month. Yeah.

Doing what? They sit down and fucking run their fucking mouth three times a week. How about this? Somebody else does all the work. We talked about this last time. I was making triple they were making. a month, just a couple of months ago. What happened?

Flew it all. Okay, so you're saying it's so it's a lost cause to, I mean, I don't care. No, I'm saying, I'm, okay, I was going to do it, I wanted to do it, but I don't know, I have my TV show going on, that's what I really care about. And that's, Colgate Total is more than just your favorite toothpaste. It's dedicated to advancing oral health. The new Colgate Total Active

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But you don't have it No, I do have it. But right now you have the time to do this. So how about this? I'll be right with you. NBC offered me $1.6 million a day. I told him no. That's where I'm at. NBC offered me $1.6 million. Right. And I told him no. You want to know why? You wanted to make a character gay.

They wanted to take the sex and the and the violence out of it. I'm not taking that. Who cares? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And they offer, hold on. They offer me one. I turned down. Right. I turned down. That's how dedicated him to my shit and I know what I got. On my grandpa's grave, my partner, $1.6 million to give to me. Anybody would have took that. They're not making it. They wanted to make my character. like Fat Vito from Sopranos that I had a gay interest and they want to take out all my violence and sex. Yeah. Well, I understand. I get that. What would you do? No, I agree. No, I'm not going to I'm not going down it because the problem is you're going, Matt, that's what I'm at. The problem is

you're going down in history as that. So no, that's a no go. But, but my point is is that your interaction or your, the effort that you would have to put it into an actual show, which let's say they green lit it right now, wouldn't get off the ground for six months to a year. if you're lucky. If all the planets align, it wouldn't be a year before you'd be on set going, yeah, that's right. Well, here's the thing. What I want you to do is bring this up and I'm going to bomb them anyway right now, NBC, because I don't like what they did and fuck them because I told them, you ruined my show. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He's ready? All right, perfect. Everything he said is okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. So I turned down a lot of money.

Yeah. Because I felt like they're trying to, they're taking it and turn into some highly weird shit. Right. You know what I mean? So my goal is to go to where it has to go. HBO stars, Hulu, Netflix, which my lawyer, Douglas Anton, is one of the biggest federal attorneys in the country. He's George Clooney's lawyer. That's my friend, and he wants me to succeed.

He said, I'm going to get you in front of all these big people with your partner, and somebody's going to take it. You just like, just, NBC wanted it. They wanted the show, except they were going to turn it into a fucking fudge packer show. You know what I'm saying? And I wasn't allowing it. Right, right. Yeah.

And I understand, then here's, I understand that because, you know, most people, oh, give me, take the money. But the truth is, is that, look, you've had money before, whether you're going to be able to do something with or not, who knows. Right. But the bottom line is this. The money's one thing, but me having to be 60 years old or my kids eventually having to look back and seeing this and they're saying, well, they're portraying your dad as a gay guy.

They're portraying this. They've twisted a bunch of weird shit into it. And then your kids for the rest of their lives are going, no, no, but that's not what happened. They did that up. So I get saying, hey, it's in a way, even though it's. probably not a great legacy that you want. You're not a politician or a lawyer, but it's still your legacy. But think about this.

My life was based off violent sex money murder. I mean, I hate to say that. That's what I'll, most of our lives are based off that work the department that I worked in. Right. How the fuck are you going to take that out the TV show? Well, they're trying. What is going to be stepping up three? We were breakdance in the motherfucker?

What am I a dancer? I don't understand. What am I in the mob for? Because I could dance good? Like, what was I there for? You're trying to take a show and turn into into a soap opera, a horrible. I was going to say, what are they trying? Is it like a 30-minute?

No, I'm trying to, I got on this again. So I'm going to go, oh, yeah, the mob boss has recruited me because he was a good dancer. He dances good. Check him out. You know what I'm saying? It was like, I was good at what I did. So how are you going to turn my show into that? So I was furious because they had us on the phone for eight fucking hours, eight hours, eight, not eight hours,

talking to the biggest people in that studio, okay? We want to do it. We want to do it. We have to, but this is what we want to do. And we're like, no. Right. Why would we do such a thing? There's nothing to do with my show.

Oh, well, the Sopranos had a gay character. We don't, what do you mean? That's not what we're doing. Yeah, great. Then make one of my buddies have a gay interest, but not me. I told them, read my book. It's a New York Times best sell. I sold over 20,000 copies.

You know how hard it is for a book to sell? Yes, I do. That's so hard. For me to sell that, for me to sell that many, and then plus thousands of autograph copies I sell for my Instagram. I've sold tons of books. That's very hard. So you're not going to sit here and tell me that the story isn't good.

Every single producer that reads his script. loves it. We had the big, I could say his name now, it don't matter because we're not dealing I had, Edward Bernardo reach out to me. He's a fucking big, one of the biggest producers in the country. He, he's working on a Marvel film right now. He reached out to me and read my book and watched my podcast and said, I love this stuff. He goes, but I'm working on Marvel, can you wait? I says, no. He's working on a fucking Marvel film right now, all right? That's who wanted my thing. So I'm like, why would I sell out and do this when I have the kind of people that are coming at me? He created criminal minds. So this,

This guy wanted my shit. He loved it, but he says, I'm on Marvel. That's a billion-dollar projects. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, when I'm ready for you, I want your project, though. I want, I want to do it. I'm like, I can't wait. I've been waiting three years.

Like, I've been working on COVID-backed me up, everything. Now it's time. So now we have Douglas getting us in front of all these good people that now my partner could just, you know, present it and, you know, get this thing rolling. Because I don't want to wait no more. Right. That's just it. All right. I hear you.

Yeah. Listen, I was on a Zoom call. So I don't think I've probably gotten as close as you've gotten, right? Because I've gotten to the deal part, you know, where it's actually where they're actually offering you money. How much is the budget? How much is this? You know, you get 3% of this, 2% of that.

You know, I haven't got to that point. What I've gotten to is the point where I've flown out to L.A. I've gone to the production companies, had the meetings. I've only had one, well, I've had two meetings like in person where we sat down at the table with them. One, we were sitting down, they were on a Zoom. And then I've kind of, I have countless ones where it's, it's basically a remote conversation where they're, everybody's there, there's talking, you're talking.

But you're right, at a lot of times, we talked about this a couple years ago when you did the podcast where, and you were like, you were like, oh, it's a done deal, it's a done deal. And I was sitting there thinking, bro, you know how many times I've heard it? It's a done deal. Well, we got caught up with the Warner Brothers guy and he works for Warner Brothers. And that's why we didn't care about nobody else because when he reached out to you, like, oh, we're golden. Yes, son.

But he's like, I'm working on Marvel. So that's the problem. When we're ready for you, I want you. You know, he watched all my pot. This guy, you can't get to eat. You can't get him on Zoom. If you try to take six months, we got, he called us. Right.

Think about that. He's one of the biggest producers around. He worked with every big celebrity there is. And he personally told me that I couldn't have Chatham Taitman. I mean, that Chattainment, I mean, he's the worst. He says, no, he's the worst. He's a headcase. I says, what do you mean?

That's why I want to blame me. Nobody wants to work with him. That's why I want, well, that's why I wanted to play me. They asked me 10 names to play me, and I picked him 10 times. So it's not good. I put his name down 10 times. They're like, no, I'm like, yes, this is who I want, Shilob, this is who I want. I actually talked to Shilobb's best friend.

I spoke to his team, and he says, yeah, man, I'm sure he would love this. He was on a retreat when I contacted him. He, like, he goes and like, he's crazy. Yeah. So he disappears for, like, months. So I'm like, all right, he's like, mom, I'm telling you he would love this because he wanted to play Paulie Guns in the bad dave story. Remember the bad dad boys?

Yeah. He wanted to play Paulie Galino. Yeah, but that's the problem. Nobody wants to work with him because he does disappear for three fucking months at a time. Right. So, wait, but so he wanted to play a character that's just like me. So if you know Jimmy Kalandra's story, his best friend is Pauli Galino. He's a killer, psycho out of Brooklyn.

And he was a very known figure all over the internet. They killed him, obviously. Tommy Reynolds and, um, and Joey Calico shot him in the head for Lamar bosses. He pushed our boss. He just put his hands on him and they killed him. So Charlotte Buff reached out to him and says, I want to play Pauli Galino. I'll put my own money into it. I'll put a half a million dollars into this.

I'm going to put the script in and $500,000 on and see what happens. But Jimmy Kalanj is a hard head. He ruined it. And that's why it didn't happen. So I heard that. I'm like, all right, I'm a poorly galena. Right. Let's see if he wants to play me.

You know what I'm saying? So that's why I jumped on it, you know? So like I said, I had some, I talked to so many big people and things like that. My friend Dominic already agreed that if it gets casted, he's in Tulsa Kings. He's the main star in Tulsa Kings, besides Sylvester Stallone. he said he'll play Ronnie if it gets cast if he gets the show the problem with Hollywood is that everybody and it's the same thing over

every time I've had the conversations you have the initial conversation they're super excited then they say then they want to talk to their team we're gonna I'm gonna approach the we have a meeting with the team next week and they're gonna talk to the team then they talk to the team and you get it hey the team loves it right and then it's we got to talk to Sally or Jennifer at fucking Netflix and Oh, we talk to her in two weeks from now and then to, and it just, it just goes on and on and on. And then eventually you have another Zoom meeting.

And then that goes on for an hour and a half where they ask you all these questions. And at the first few times I've had the meetings, I felt like, wow, they're really interested. By the, by the 10th meeting, they're asking you the questions. And to me, I'm just staring at. I'm like, mm-hmm, yeah. No, no, that's, because I'm thinking, this is such a waste of fucking time. Yeah. It's the same thing over, over.

You're right. You're right. But I, I, with me, I'm very how I want it. Like, there's no negotiating. Right. Because I told him, this is what I have, this is what I bring to the table. I have what nobody has. A modern-day mafia story. I'm the only one I could give this to you of all the stuff that I have.

I was basically a guy that, like, you don't see guys like me no more for the mob. You won't. They don't exist no more. And I could give you just the whole neighborhood, which is the biggest mafia soul-popper neighborhood in the country. Howard Beach, Queens is the most organized crime neighborhood there is. And that's the heart and soul of mafia. And I told him, I bring that to the table along with over 100 million, views on the internet, a best-selling book, I have a big social media presence, and this is what

I want, and this is what I want to do. A lot of them like, oh, my God, we love it, but a lot of them are very skeptical with the violence and things like that, so it has to go to certain stations. You can't put it on regular TV. Yeah, yeah. No, it's got to be HBO. I told my partner, it cannot be NBC. Yeah. They want it, but we can't do with them because look what they just did. They wanted to turn it to a stupidest show ever. So it has to be with like 50 cent. or those crew, you know, like those kind of people, because then anything goes. You know what I mean?

Then you could do exactly what I want to do with the show. So like I says, every single day, my partner is on it every day with people talking to people every day and the lawyer. So we'll see what happens, you know? Yeah, I hear you. HBO, a producer from HBO, reach out to us. They want to do a reality show with us with the ex-mob guys, right?

So I was on the phone with her, me, Johnny Ely, like all of us. And they want to do a reality show with us. Yeah. It might be pretty good, right? That might be interesting. But it's always the same ones that they come at. They don't want nobody else but me, Johnny, Mike Francis, and Sammy. That's the only ones they want.

Anybody else they don't care about? They're like, no one who cares about those guys. We want you guys. Oh, it's always us. Okay, here's the problem with what I think with that is that Michael Francis has too much money. And he's honestly, and I liked him. I met him. He's nice guy.

Yeah. He's old. He's 71 years old. He don't want to fuck with this. I told him that. Right. And Sammy's 80 years old. I told him no.

I said that. So it would be just be me and Johnny. And I think, like I said, she loved. She loves... They're not going to have the energy you guys are going to have. I do. And they know that. And I'm a ball of energy.

And I told them, you know, it'll be cool. But like I said, I told them, I'm working on so many other things that I want to do with my story. And that would be cool, too. But, you know, she said she's going to pitch it to them. She wants to do it, this lady. She's worked for them for 20 years. She sold many shows and things. And she wants to do it with me.

Well, there aren't any other guys that are getting out of prison or that are currently hitting the... Yeah, but you got to understand. Like, I'm trying to tell you this. You've got to really look at the internet lately. there's so many ex-mob guys coming out and they're just not getting views. Right. It's just you got to have the if factor. You got to have it.

Like I said, me and Johnny did it the right time. And I just have a huge fan base and it stuck with me and it just keeps growing. I mean, I think it's because, like, you know, how disrespectful I am and the way I act. I think that's more or less my advantage. You know what I'm saying?

I just say anything. Yeah. Well, Johnny A. He brings in views. He's not, he has a vastly different. He's a worldwide. He's really known to the world.

I mean, I'm not bullshit. And you're like, everywhere you go, this guy gets stopped. It's hysterical. Everywhere you go, he's known. In Europe, forget it.

He's like a rock star. But Johnny, Eli, did you know him like prior to going in? How did you guys get connected? Alight reached out to him when he got out. He got him on Vlad. Well, you got to understand. So when I came out, Johnny knew I was going to be big

because my case was so big. You're not from New York. So if you knew how big my case is, where we're from, I was on, the people I worked for, like the biggest guys in the area in the areas. So when my boss beat that Latanza Heist case, which is the biggest trial in the country at the time, it was found not guilty on charges. I brought him back on charges. He just walked out of prison. I got him back on charges. So yeah, and this is like the most high profile guy around at the time. So think about Goodfellas, the Latanza Heist. That's his, that's his robbery. So that's where I was on the paper every day. Had more media attention in any mafia case in the history organized crime. Did you, did you ever see Goodfellas? No.

Oh my God. But we did break down the scene in a video that we did. Okay. So it was the biggest airport heist in American history. Yeah. Seven million dollars was taken and he did that. And they killed a lot of people and he beat everything. The murder is the heist, everything.

So that was in 2014. He was locked up. And I never forget this. And I never said this, but I'll say you here today. The last time I spoke to Vinny, he was locked up and I was in the street. And he called me from the feds. And this is on wire to obviously conversation. And I was talking to him and he goes, Gene, go help my girlfriend move her furniture and everything out of the house for me.

I said, yeah, no problem. I said, don't worry, Vin. You're going to come home. He goes, ah, you know, you throw some shit against the wall. Some of it's going to stick. Right. That's the last thing he ever said to me. That's the last time I ever spoke to him.

The last thing ever said to me. He goes, ah, you know, you throw shit against the wall. Some of it's going to stick. Like, no words, there's no way I'm beating this. And he beat it. He beat all the murders. He beat the robbery and everything. So think about where that puts me.

then Ronnie G, who's one of the biggest earners in the five boroughs, who's making $400,000 a month. This guy's a multimillionaire, vicious violent guy. I'm his right-hand man. So now I'm cooperator. Now I have this huge case. I'm all over gangland. I'm all over the news.

I come out, and then I'm going for a lot of TV. Right. I'm the only modern-day guy ever to come out. Of course it's going to be all over me. Johnny A. Light was smart. He knew what he was doing, and it created a frenzy. You know what I mean? What about, so your boss, your old boss,

Is he getting, is he out? Yeah, or is he in the halfway? He's dead now. Vinny died. No, I'm talking about. This guy? That's him. That's Vinny.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, okay, he died. He died. He died. Ronnie gets out in 2029. Oh, 2029? Yeah. Oh, that's right.

We talked about it last time. Yeah. I was saying he thought he was getting out and you're like, no, no, no, no, that's that true. No, no, he'll be out. He still has some years left. But, yeah, he was a real tough guy, vicious guy. He's exactly your size.

No, but. He's tiny. Yeah, but no, but he packs a fucking deadly punch. I've seen him knock people out with slaps cold. So I'm saying, like, vicious, tough guy and just a multimillionaire, you know? Seventh grade education can't read a right, but he can make money. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax.

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you're taking over your parents basement or moving to campus ikea has hundreds of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget after all you're in your small space era it's time to own it shop now at ikea.ca you know he had that he had that like when people just get lucky and fall ass backwards in the money all the time right he's just one of those guys that just always gets lucky and just makes tons of money um that's kind of makes me think of a michael franzis like everybody's like you know michael francis did this and this and this but really somebody came to him with the scam right said this is what we're doing well the five families was in on that right it wasn't just yeah right do you want in on this right he said yes he just he just kind of you know mcgonalized it turned it

into this massive made it like larger mike's a very very very smart guy yeah you know it's always sammy sammy was a powerhouse moneymaker as well sammy gavano in the 80s had millions of dollars Sammy Gavano had $5 million in the 80s That's like $50 million now More You know what I'm saying So when Sammy and the bull Got out right

So he gets out Yeah They move him Witness production Moving to Arizona Why start up again I don't even know I can't I don't know

I mean I wonder if anybody's ever asked I don't know Why would you I think I think he claims that like It really wasn't what they made it It was like

They made it big because it was his name But it really wasn't a big ring Right You know I mean I think there was more or less the son that it was getting in trouble and he just got caught up in it i don't think he was really like the ringleader like they were saying um you know sean atwood is no oh the boxer no no sean atwoods he has a he's in the uk he's in the u k he has a true crime channel i think so

um maybe bald white guy english did i do a show him i might have you might have i don't know go ahead of anyway he's you know he's always said that he was a part uh that his competition in X in Arizona was Sammy. Could be. And, you know, initially, Sammy came out. I was like, I don't know who this guy is. Yeah. Like, I don't know who this guy.

And that's the crazy part. But now he's saying he does. So I'm saying now he's like, oh, okay, I think he was dealing with my son. You know, he's like, I think he might, I don't really know. If initially he denied it, but now they're actually doing some kind of a documentary together. Yeah, but you got to be careful with this entertainment right now because it's becoming WWE.

And that's what you got to be careful with the podcast. Well, that's why I keep it genuine and real. you know what I'm saying like a lot of people are I had people contact me to give fake scenarios to put them in it to get them relevant I'm gonna be real with you and I won't do it right because I'm not lying I everything I say and that's why everyone loves me is I keep it genuine like they want to use me to become famous now of being a criminal I know the ones that are valid and the ones that ain't I had guys reach out to me like oh you know I know you from so and so I don't know you I never did nothing with you oh you don't remember I

seen you in the park hit so I said a lot of people see me in the park hit people with things you know I'm saying so it's like I know what goes on in the podcast world right now today they're there it's like becoming wrestling it's like clout chasing it's becoming wbd like scripted you know what i'm saying and i'm not doing that so i keep it 100 and genuine so i don't know who's real who's not i mean i know who is real and who's not basically you know well i mean sean at what he definitely went to prison so i mean i you go to prison i don't mean you're a gangster yeah yeah but i don't but and he says you know well initially sam he was like i don't really know who that is but the truth is honestly i know lots of people that if you said hey you know so and so

I'd be like, I don't know who that is. You know, and if the guy walked in, I'd be like, oh my gosh, I do remember you. So I'm bad with names. No, yeah, it could be real. It could be not, but who knows. But Sammy's, for the most part, tells it how it is. You know, if you hang out with him, he's still Sammy Gavano.

I don't know if you know that. Like, he's, like, still vicious. Right. Like, he's not, he didn't lose his viciousness. He'll say, on his show, he looks all nice and pleasant, but like, don't fuck with him. He's old, but he's still wild. Yeah, yeah. We got a Beverly Hills party.

He went off on somebody. Yeah, you know, he's still You know, he's still a little nuts You know, Johnny Eli too Johnny Eli, when he's healthy He'll knock you out Like Johnny's tough Yeah, real tough

What is he doing? He travels all over the place Okay He's on a world tour right now For They got him on the cover of magazines I know, but for what? What's he doing?

They love this guy, I don't know I mean, is he doing like You know, he goes places And tells his story Yeah, talks to kids He does a lot of advocating And that stuff You know, he lost his door to the drugs

And stuff like that And the fact kick out how, you know, it was in a fucking Xanax, bro. Yeah, she took a pill of Xanax to go to sleep and never woke up again. That's horrible, you know? And that's what I'm saying. Like, he's like super close to me, you know what I mean? He was very close.

So he gets a lot of, um, a lot of attention out in the country, in the countries. Um, so I have a question is, and we were talking about this. And I had, I think I had some misinformation or it turned into something that it wasn't, but that there's a bunch of articles that right now. So El Mio was grabbed by El Chapo's, one of his sons, and brought flown into, where was he flown into Miami or Texas? Anyway, I forget. But so he was flown in there like they kidnapped him, basically.

They kidnapped him, put him on a plane and flew him in. He's currently in, is he in New York where you were? Zimbada Garcia was transferred yesterday to the Eastern District of New York. He's where I am. MDC, Brooklyn. Yeah, and that's what I thought Pete. He said he's in the shoe. Pete said he are.

Yeah, they're not going to let him out of his shoe. Yeah, he's too powerful. Yeah. How old is he? It's got to be 60-something years old. No, it's got to be in his 80s. I don't know. Well, no, his son, Henry was like my age, a little older.

So, yeah, he's probably 70, maybe 70. 77. 77. So he's 77. So an article came out that said he was currently in the goat, pleading, plea negotiations with the U.S. attorney in New York. And I had heard, although I'm going to tell you, I did not see the article, I had heard from someone that said as like a good faith gesture, he had said, and there may be an article about it, I just didn't see it, but he had told the U.S.

attorney, because they're in plea negotiations right now. He, that Zimbada's lawyer, through his lawyer, had told the U.S. attorney that that not the current president, the female president of Mexico, but the past two presidents of Mexico were on his payroll. Right. Now, I think everybody probably believes that, knew that anyway. I don't think that's huge information. Most corrupt country in the world. Right.

But the fact that he said, hey, like, can he prove that? Maybe. I don't know. You know, these guys are fucking getting killed so fast all the time. You know, how- America will lock them up if they do because I was with the Attorney General in Mexico. They locked him up. Right.

He was right under the people you're talking about. Yeah. And they locked him up. Oh, they locked up the Attorney General in, they don't care. In Colombia, they locked. No, not Columbia. What do you mean?

The president of Honduras. I was with him. Oh, wait. Wait, what's the other guy? No, wait. Where's Juan from? El Salvador, Juan from. Yeah, no, I know, yeah.

Yeah, they locked up that U.S. attorney. But they only locked him up for about three years because he gave him so much information, then they let him go. Right, and that's what they're all doing? You know what I mean? So what do you think? you think the chances are that elmio well amyo ordered a lot of murders yeah i was with a guy

named lobo lobo and i'm not lying to you lobo was a hitman for el chapo um he was cooperating but he had 15 life sentences he was trying to get them off that's tough no he had 300 murders on his indictment i'm saying that's tough yeah he had 300 murders on his indictment that i'm not saying he killed 300 people but his team was a part of so el chapo had to stop paying him per body because it started getting so expensive so he said he just put him on a monthly salary And this is real. They were killing so many people for him. So they're savages.

You know what I mean? It's horrible. And some of them are not, these, the guy, people they're killing are women and children as well. Yeah, yeah. No, they'll take a whole family and put it in.

And that's why I realized this guy just should not come out, back out. Yeah. The crimes are fucking heinous. And, and I mean, the way they're killing these women and children, they're videotaping,

doing horrible things to them, then sending it to their rivals. You don't understand how horrible it is. So he was trying to get out and they wouldn't let him out. He was cooperating on everything he knew. Certain state, certain, federal things, we're not giving him a deal.

He just lives in Woodstock for the rest of his life. Right. Because they wouldn't let him out because, you know, you're chopping up kids. Right. Hanging them from bridges. You know, just crazy shit. You know, you don't belong to come out. I don't give a fuck who you tell on.

Right. You know what I mean? With the mob, a lot of times we kill each other. Yeah. And they don't really care about letting you back out. You know what I'm saying? Because you're not killing a little girl going to school or kidnapping the wife, chopping her up and video in it and sending it to you.

Um, so what do you think with, so what about Elmire? What do they, what's the best deal he could get? All right, so I'm going to be honest to you. Because he's guilty. He's not going to trial and winning. You see, Joe Messino was in the same predicament he was, and they says, all right, you'll cooperate, but you never get out, but you'll live in, like, the jail. They ended up giving him 13 years because he told on so much stuff.

Joe McSino is big as El Mayo in that world. So they said the same thing about Joe. He would never get out again, but he did. So you never know, but like he had 22 murders, Joe Mascino. He ordered 22 murders, and he ruled the family for years, and they let him out again. But with El Mio's situation is they kill civilians. So I don't know how they would let them back. You know, I don't know.

It's like cartel guys do get deals, but when you're that powerful as a car, like I was with Frankie, he was the head of the Tijuana cartel, the brothers, the Felix brother, I think they are, the Felix brothers. I was with the one of the Felix,

I believe it's Felix. They're the head of the Tijuana. Cartel. Okay. There's three brothers. Okay. And I was with one of them. And he got 25 years after cooperation,

but he wasn't a murderer. He was just one of the brothers that ran the family, but they still gave him 25 years after cooperation. Okay. Think about that. Right.

And he toned on a lot. And he's, yeah. What's El Mayo? What's the benefit for Al Mayo? I don't see. I think the only benefit. He'll die in a prison that's laid back. I can't see them letting him out.

He ordered probably thousands of murders. Yeah. No, thousands. Well, what I'm saying is the best, I think the best, so, you know, I think the best scenario for him is he gets to maybe pick a prison that's sweet. Six, only six units. You know what I'm saying? There's only six units for that. There's only six units you're going to in one sec.

That's it. I'll name of Minnesota, Florida, Allenwood, Farrington, Arizona. That's it? Five. But, no, that was, and, oh, and, um, Farrington, Farrington, Allenwood, Florida, Arizona, Minnesota, and there's one more, there's six. There's, uh, it's it, you only got six units, though. That's it.

It's it through the country. You can only go to six units. His fear is probably, his fear is probably, he's going to end up. And Otisville has one. His fear is probably he's going to end up in ADX. That's probably his fear. Well, if he's cooperating, he won't. Right, that's what I'm saying.

That's probably why he's saying, hey, look, can you keep me out of here? Can you get me into this prison? And wait, there's also problems because I remember when Frankie, that's the name of the head of Tijuana cartel, so they killed his brother at a birthday party dressed up as a clown at the kid's birthday party. Okay, this is real stories. I know it sounds crazy. This is real stories, guys.

It doesn't sound crazy because I've looked at it. enough of this shit. So they tried to bring the guy into our units that had his brother killed and he wouldn't accept them in because you have to, when you come into the units, they give you a picture of the guy coming in and everyone got to put their initials on it saying, do you have, do you know this guy? Do you accept him? Frank, you wouldn't accept him.

He killed his brother. Right. He killed at a birthday party dressed up as a fucking clown. Right. This is crazy. And then he wouldn't accept him in. So with El Mayo, he has so many enemies in that cartel world. You got to hope that they even accept them into the jail.

Some people are like, I'm not living with him. He killed my relatives. That's what happens a lot of times. And you get stuck in the hole. So until you can actually go into a unit because they say, all right, you have separations with this guy. You have separation with this guy. With a person like Kenny might have a lot of separations.

That happens a lot with the mob bosses too. They don't want certain mob guys with certain mob guys because if their cases aren't done yet either, they don't want them talking. So they'll put separations on you. So with El Mayo, I don't know even if they could put him in those units. He might have so many separations and so many people that work for him,

they might not want him in this. So he might be totally screwed regardless. I don't know. I don't know the outcome with that. He's too powerful. I don't know. It's going to be a fucked up situation for him. You know?

You have to be accepted into units by the peers as well. Yeah. No, I don't know what the... I wonder how they can figure that out in order for him to continue to cooperate because you know they want him. Or do they just fuck them? Like, you know damn well how many times...

Do you know how many years it's going to take for him to get sentenced anyway? It would be years. If he's cooperating it, that's 10 years. I know guys that waited seven, eight years to get sentenced. Yeah, he'll probably die. Because they have so much trials they have to do and so many things. They'll keep you in there like that just to fuck you because they know you're a savage.

You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what they do. I've seen guys wait years just to get sentenced. How many guys? How many people would be extradited from Mexico? Yeah, it'd be impossible. I mean, that's 10 years. I was with his son.

Listen, if you met his son, his son was like harmless, but got 14 years from no reason. He cooperated. He actually experimented. So this is the story. Like I said this before, they called his father. He called his father. The next to he cooperate and they says he was okay. They said even Al Chapo said it was okay for him to cooperate

because everybody else was cooperating him. So he got, I think, 15 years. We and him got sentenced together. So I think he got 15 years and he went back to California. That's where he was living with his family. And he's billions of dollars. He's the one that they caught in Mexico with the lawyer, right? Luna or something.

They were actually giving information to the people. The florist twins brought them in. Yeah. My buddy Margarito got him. Right. But I'm saying they were giving information. The head of the cartel was giving information through his son. First it was through a lawyer.

Then they switched it to the son. They're giving them information on their rivals to have to take out the rivals. And they ended up just by accident grabbing him. They had it all over the news. They had him on the thing. You know, I mean, so he, like I says, these guys are multi-billionaires, not even millionaires. Yeah. So he paid a bunch of money, too.

Did he pay over like, whatever, $100 million or $200 million or something, which is nothing. It's dollars and cents to them. You know, they're making, they have, I remember. They told me a story one time with Al Chapo's guys that the Mexican cops raid them to steal their monies to fight them. So what they do, instead of letting them steal the money, they burn it. They burn 250 million in a fact, in a warehouse, not to give it to them. You know how sick that is?

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You know what I mean? So regardless, you don't think El Mio's got a chance, even if you co-operate, there's not going to be much. You never know what the government, but as I've seen in history, when you have heinous crimes on children and women and raping and killing and hanging them and skinning them a lot. I'm talking about the sickest things you'll see. They made a little girl. I've seen one story. This is going to break people's hearts this story. They actually kidnapped one of the rival's daughters I read this in paperwork and they may believe

they were going to release her to the mother so they pulled up to the mother let the daughter run to the mother and then shot the daughter in the fucking back going to the mother like what is this like a 12 year old girl

machine gunned her down in front of the mother may believe they were letting her go like to taunt them toy with them that's an indictment I had to read I want to rip the paperwork and then beat them with it. You know what I'm saying? It was like, you know what I mean? This is, this, they don't belong out.

They don't kill who you tell on. This is not like, this is heinous shit. This is like terrorism. You know what I mean? So I don't like it. You know what I mean? So that fucks with me. I don't feel like everyone should get a deal.

You know what I mean? Right. I mean, I understand. I'm just wondering. These crimes are heinous. So a guy like that ordering these crimes should just be shot in the head, to be honest with you. Yeah, but there's been so many mob bosses that have done. Kill women and children?

No. I don't know about women. I'm saying just in general murdering. It's wrong, but we're killing each other. You're not, I would, we're not, we're not even allowed to hurt innocence. That's a crime in our world. You get killed for that. You can't hurt women and children. That's a, no, no, that's what they believe in to keep the order. We'll kill your family.

What's the difference between the mob and the, um, cartels as far as, just there, I just told you. As far as like the work they do and they're kind of, values. Right. So we don't sell drugs, which is what we do. But I'm saying we're not supposed to sell drugs and no women, no children, no innocent people. Like my mom lives in Howard Beach still. That's the neighborhood I cooperate in. She walked the streets. They still say hello to her. There's nothing to do with them. You understand? But the cartels, they'd shoot her 80 times, throw grenades at the house because of what I did. That's the difference. My mother, my whole family

could walk the streets and they'll say, hey, how you doing? Hey, what's going on? And these are people I hurt. But with the cartels, they're shooting bazookas at you, your families. With the cartel, they'll go, they'll kidnap your entire family. Yeah, kill the goldfish, the cats, the dogs, everybody. They'll put them in a vat of acid. Yeah. They'll, they'll, it's.

And they'll video the whole thing. You being, your daughter, your son being tortured to death. And that's where, and that's where it separates scum dirt to, you know, bad guys. I can imagine the government getting all the information they want from him and then just double-crossing him. Because I see that happen just on a regular basis. Think about, you got to watch the thing on the cops that brought down Al Chapo. They hated him. They said, this guy, the cop was going, I wanted to kill him.

That's what they were saying because they know the crimes that he has ordered. Right. And they were investigators, like, you have no idea. Like, they were saying, like, it was so hard for me not to just strangle him. These are the fucking agents talking because the crimes are so heinous that they're finding women and children hanging from bridges. Did you see the movie, The Counselor? No, which one was that? Who?

I'll send it to it. I forget his name. Oh, and Matthew McConaughey? No, no, it's not. He looks like Matthew McCona. I know the movie you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. At the end, they kidnap his, like, he's calling up the cartel. He's saying, let me trade myself for her. They're like, that's too late. Like it's. That's like Sicario. And then, yeah, and then one day he's, he actually goes down there trying to find her. And they just kind of ignore him. And then one day, but they know where he is. They're watching him. And then they slip a fucking CD under the door, which he already knows what's on the CD. Yeah. They video the whatever horrific act they, they put up upon her. And that's real. That's what they do. Yeah. It's horrible. You know who is in that?

Brad Pitt's in that. Not the main guy, but he's one of the guys. Yeah. So, you know, and that's what separates us. You know what I mean? And like I said, I was friends with the cartel guys. You know, like I said, Margarita Flores is my buddy. I was one every day.

He wasn't doing that stuff. He was harmless. He was just a big money guy. He wasn't a killer and not like that. Super friendly guy. He was, like I said, good guy. But he worked for people that were, you know, doing crazy shit. Yeah.

You know what I mean? You were locked up with one of the two Flores. Yeah, I was very close with Margarito. Margarito was a good guy. Okay. I got along with him very well. Yeah. Yeah, they never did anything.

No, they were on killers. They were totally against violence. They were just making more money and knew it to do it. You know what I'm saying? And they got screwed. They got 14 years. Yeah. No, it's 14 years in.

They should got time served. Took a bunch of fucking money. They, they didn't hurt. No, I feel like they shouldn't have got time served. I feel like they should have got time served. They did a lot for them. The guy went to fucking Mexico and wore a wire and Alchapa. Like, come on, man.

You know what I mean? I'm saying they took a bunch of their money. Like they, they worked out. They worked out of a deal with them. And then the government kind of double cost of them. He took care of everybody in the units. He was super generous. He used to take care of everybody in the units.

He literally drew me a birthday party. Right. In the fucking, me and him are six days apart. He's June 12th on the 6th. Yeah. He literally threw a birthday party and like fed the whole place. Right. That's how the good hearted he was.

He was a great person. He literally had a guy on payroll. the guy had no money for his family and he would send his family a thousand a month and the guy would cook him food every day in meals to make sure that he eats and because he don't like to go to the kitchen and he literally would send the guy's family

a thousand dollars, $2,000 a month to make them because they had nothing to survive and just make me my meals every day. That's the kind of person he was just helping them out, you know what I'm saying? He was a good, hard of fucking dude, man. For real. Yeah, as opposed to most of the people he's dealing with.

Yeah, he was nothing like them. You know what I mean? Nothing like them. Didn't his brother get kidnapped? for a month it was really bad yeah and that's how he met them because they didn't understand and that's how i i know the whole story he told me so many times and i'll tell you a funny story he told me he said that um this is actually a funny one i tell everyone in his story and if he's watching it he'll laugh with me he says that one time they were beefing with the gang members in

chicago and i guess he told el chapo he needed weapons and al chapo sent them down weapons he thought he's going to have weapons he opened it up it was shoulder rockets He sent him down a truck of shoulder rockets He calls him back Woody, I can't do nothing With this missile launches in Chicago Yeah, they had to send him back And give me guns, not rockets

You know, that was funny You know, I used to laugh with him Because he had crazy stories They sent them down a truck Full of shoulder rockets Like the, because you're Mexico That's what they use Oh yeah, Mexico

So he's like to see Chicago He can't shoot shoulder The military Can't shoot missiles at each other In Chicago, you know what I mean? That's great The boxer fight, yeah. I'm trying to fight John Guy to third, John Jr.'s son.

He just fought Mayweather twice. He's a good fighter. He's a MMA fight. He's not a boxer. But that's why I'd rather box him. MMA, I'm dead. You know what I mean? I just keep away with you.

Boxing, I don't think it'll be as bad. He's not really talented box-wise. Roy Jones Jr. agreed to train me. He's a world champion, one of the greatest boxes of all time. I'll be with him tomorrow. You're saying he fought Mayweather twice? Yeah. Okay.

What kind of numbers did that bring in? Where'd that fight happen? Oh, it was all of a paper view. Yeah, but you guys, you know, you and your buddy, you guys are like, you're like, listen, no offense. I mean, you're like regular guys. You watch sports. Yeah. I don't do any of that.

I don't watch sports. I don't watch. Right. So you guys are. So fighting Mayweather is like the biggest thing you could do. But Mayweather was older and toying with him, but Mayweather still Mayweather. But I want to call, I call them out. We've been, you know, going back and forth a little bit on the internet.

And Roy Jones, we had a lawyer reach out to John Jr.'s lawyer and try to arrange it. But, you know, the father's always a little jerk off and, you know, he always talks his rat stuff. You know, he's a rat, so it doesn't make sense. And literally, and we're trying to arrange it. So when I'm at Roy Jones Jr., he's going to, you know, let him be known the world known that he's in my corner and we're going to fight. We're going to train. And so what's the status of that right now? We don't know, yeah.

Once he sees Roy Jones in my corner and sees how serious it is, then I, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, we want the money. We want the, you know. So you're, so tomorrow you're going to see Roy Jones and what? We're going to talk a lot of shit. Where's that happening? Where you're in Florida. Okay. Yeah, he lives out here. Yeah. So what about the, that indictment that we just pulled up?

The Joe Camerado Jr. indictment. Yeah. So basically he was the acting. Mike E. Knows put him in charge of the family in 2015, I want to say. And he was running the family. And they got indicted. him and Porky and a bunch of guys that were running the family and what were they adided for just racketing Yeah you know

It's typical fucking mafia shit And they actually had the same lawyer As Vinnie Saur She Joe Cameron used the same lawyer as Vinny did Okay They had two lawyers They had the one that just passed away Mike Why? Because he won the trial

I mean she got really famous for that trial She won the Latonzaa That's one of the biggest cases So but anyway they used her I believe my name's Elizabeth And they used her on it it. And then they had another lawyer named Mike. He was John Jr.'s lawyer and Joe and Joe Milino's lawyer. He died recently. Young. He died out of nowhere. I actually met him

several times. Nice guy. He actually told us John Jr. was a rat. He goes, but I'm not allowed to say it. He goes, I was his lawyer. Right. Him and John E. Lay were like this. He goes, I can't say it. I'll lose my license. Right. But he's like, yeah, John Jr. rated like 100%. I was I was his attorney. I'm saying? So they used the same attorney as that. And what happened was during trial they went to trial Joe Camerano and Porky which was the boss

and the coniglier that's running the family they the lawyer goes and this is how strict the organized crime world is when you're in it

you can't admit to what you are in that way so the lawyer goes my defendant wasn't the wasn't the boss

he was the consiglier okay you can't do that either no you cannot say your position

in the organization. But his lawyer said it. Don't matter. He approved it. You're supposed to say, don't say that. And what happened was, Mike E. Kinole shelfed them both. They beat the case. They beat it. They beat it because of what he said, this lawyer, but it also got them vanished from the mob. Right. So Mike Yino's didn't like the way the trial went down. And he then shelved Joe Camerado Jr. and Porky. What does that mean shelf? Like, you're just out of the third. You're out. That's it. You're nothing. You're a mutt. You're basically like a rat. So you might as well just go get a job. Yeah, you're basically no good to defend.

You're like, you can't talk to nobody. You can't, you don't report. You don't get, you know, it's it. Go get a job at 7-Eleven. Yeah, no good no more. And it could be indefinitely. It could be a year, two years. It depends on how long they want to keep you on the shelf for.

But the way they did it, they felt like it was a rat move, so it's indefinite. Okay. Because he set his position. So you could get shelved for like breaking rules, but that's a different rule. Like you basically admitted in a federal courtroom that I wasn't the boss. I was the coniglia. Like you're saying, like I ran the family. No, no good.

They took them, they shelved them right away. What, you're admitting that there's a family to go away, right? And then you're saying your position, you're a hot, you run the family. You're not supposed to do that, you know what I'm saying? So that's how they beat the case and the Mikey knows the actual boss in jail. So, oh, no, he's are out of here. Shelfth them, whole big thing. There was a thing in ganglily.

There was a shooting supposedly something happened. Whole bunch of shit. So with that indictment, uh, he lost his whole, his whole status being indicted on that case. And he was running the family for Mike. Very respected guy. His father was a captain with the bananas forever. he was actually a Navy SEAL. Yeah, a real tough guy.

And, you know, his whole career was taken because of that trial. What else have we got? So what do you do? So you're trying to get the movie made. You're working on this boxing. Like, what do you do on the daily, like, what's a normal day? I train a lot. I'm big into running and walking.

I do about five to six miles a day. I do abs every day, weights every day. I take phone calls constantly. You know, I get fan mail all day. which I, you know, I sell books, I, I, I sign up for podcasts, I sell high-end jewelry, you know, I'm doing a lot, you know. I'm a money guy, so I'm constantly just trying to make money. Yeah, Roy Jones wants to.

You're already, now Roy Jones already made it clear. He's very strict with his training and there'll be no fucking around. It's going to be like military school almost. So once I really go with him, it's like military, he said, like you're in the military. And if this fight happens where? I don't know. We don't know any of that yet. If it does happen, it would be on a big platform.

And are you going to try to pull together other fighters to fight along with you guys as like a lower card? No, I'm just going to do a one-oh. I mean, I don't know about that. I don't know what they'll put together, but I know what I'm trying to do. And I'm trying to get him in the ring and see what happens. Yeah, yeah, we have a lot of connections with a lot of things right now. This is actually, people don't realize how big this could be. And people already talking about it, like, this could, like, blow up, like, huge.

This would be a big rival thing, like. they sued me for $10 million that family. It was in the front page of the paper. But I'm going to be training with like one of the best boxes of all time, which is crazy. To meet him is just crazy. And now he's going to be like my trainer. Right. I mean, that's amazing.

That's like being trained by Mayweather. It's a dream. Yeah, but you've got to get the fight. I think it'll happen once they see him in my corner. And, you know, we have to hope that John Jr. just stops being a bitch. Have you considered maybe not saying that and that might help or no? He's a bitch. He's always been like that.

He's like, oh, I don't want to support these guys. Bro, you're a rat. Like, you're a fucking rat. You're a rat. You have the same thing that we have. Right. Like, you're no different than us. You know what I'm saying?

What are you talking about supporting us? You're known. I sat at tables with captains and bosses when you were fucking labeled no good. And they were saying, don't speak to him. Don't look at him. He's labeled no good. I'm lying about that. Like, it's facts.

It's in fucking paperwork. So what are you trying to prove? You were labeled no good. You did 302s. It's it. You're over. It's right. Stop. Get over it. You know what I'm saying? You didn't hold up to your name. That's it. I don't care how you missed trials you had. You cooperate. You sat with the government. It's over. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200. You can't, you can't even agree to sit with them. Even if you don't sit, let me tell you how this goes, Matthew. Ready? Even if you are the agents and I'm a mob boss and I agree and then never go and they found that I agreed, you're still no good. You're still labeled no good because you even thought about it. That's how strict they are. You know what I'm saying? So just he sat down and literally gave them information. He gave them the Curtis Sleeway shooting

Mikey Wionetti shot him in a fucking cab He gave them that shooting basically And then turning around said he didn't want to Oh, I don't want to call I don't want to testify They said that he kept undermising yourself Blam everything on his father Right That's what they said he kept doing his three or twos

He kept on blame oh my dad made me do it Like he was doing one of those Yeah Like no you did it You killed somebody with your fucking own hands Like you were a murderer of you killed more people And his father His father never physically killed anybody

His father never physically killed anybody He only ordered murders Never was actually physically killed anyone He wasn't one of the guys on the He was just there He was there Never pulled the trigger Never killed anybody with his hands

He only ordered them Castellano, that's right That's what I'm thinking Never pulled the trigger His son, John Jr. did His son actually killed a few people herself And shot people So I would say he has more work than his father

And he's sitting there going My dad and he did it all this bullshit He cooperated He stopped the government It's it so your son could get in the ring of me It's not a big deal I'm probably not gonna win But we'll see

What did you think about the Tyson fight against their friends? You know, Tyson 20 years ago, knocks him out with a jab. You know what I'm saying? You don't think Tyson had just kind of... He's old. No, but he couldn't move. He's seen his legs. I felt bad, man.

You could see he wasn't the same Tyson at all. You know what I mean? See, I felt like he just, he held back. I felt like it's for a rematch. You know what they were saying like he can't do it again. No. No way. He's done.

He's done. You can see he can't move no more. He has no legs. He has no nothing. and he can't move. You know what I mean? Tyson's over with. You were, uh,

that's what we're talking about. You look horrible. Yeah. But everybody was saying, everybody, you know, like I was saying, and he'll,

he's Tyson, he's going to knock him out. Like, it's done, it's over, but he didn't. Listen to me, if you bet the odds,

if I would have bet that Jake Paul won by this, uh, if it went to decision, I would, it was, I would have made a lot of money. Nobody thought it was going there.

They all thought Tyson, I thought Tyson was going to knock him out. Yes. But he was so, But he was so, like, old and couldn't move and had no legs, and he didn't even look right. Like, Tyson, even 10 years ago, would have pulverized him. You could see his whole body. He's 60.

He's 60, and he's been through fucking hell. Come on, bro. He's 60. If he was even 48, 47, 50, Jake Paul's dead. Dead. You can't even take an inside punch from him. He knocked out the strongest people in the world at the time. You know what I'm saying?

You can't eat a punch from Tyson. It was like, they said the equivalent of his punch is, like, putting a pillow on front of your face and swinging a metal bat at you. Okay? So, like, it's like, he's old, you know? Right. It's more like celebrity boxing shit. So you keep showing up on News Nation. Yeah.

What do they bring you on as a... Crime consultant. I was in a lot of these places that these people are in. I was in the special units where these celebrities go in. And I know a lot about jail, prison. I did 13 years. I've been in all over. So they X my specialties on things and elaborate what it's like, what's in there,

da, da, da, and they always use me. They like me. I've been on there seven times already. Yeah, so they most recently had you on. gone for the Mangione, what? Yeah, last night. They wanted to know about the conditions because it's a,

when there's a race riot in federal prison or like a gang riot, you see, that travels through the country because let's just say, if I gave the scenario, let's say MS-13s stab Serrano. These people are all through the country in federal prison.

Now what's going to happen? The shot callers go, hey, any MS-13, you see, stab him, MS-13, any serenia. So they have to lock down the fucking country golf a bit if it gets to that point. And they won't let you out

until it's squashed. Even with a race riot, if they feel that if they're going to let you out and you're going to stab each other, they'll keep you in that fucking cell for a month and make you shower in the cell. Everything comes to you. You come out one at a time to shower for two minutes. You go back in that motherfucker. Phones don't exist. That's it. You write letters. That's it. So that's what he's involved right now is. So that's what he's involved in. I was a race riot and everything's locked down. So he's not moving. I had to explain that. You're basically in the box. Right. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it's it. Dony's in the box right now. No, everybody is. Basically, everyone is because there's no movement, there's no phones, there's no commissary, there's no nothing. You're locked down until they, even, it gets to a point in the real serious prisons

where they'll have the shot caller from a gang to the other shot caller, and the fucking, the security team will bring them in a room and make them squash it and say, if you don't squash your shit, you ain't coming out. Right. You ain't coming out. So you want to sit in yourself for fucking months at a time or you want to end this? Because usually they're killing in penitentiaries. Yeah.

So if another one kills another one, they got to make sure it's over because they come out. It's a fucking gladiators. You know what I mean? We've had inmates where the warden goes and grabs the shot and we'll go from door to door. You know how it goes? You know how it goes? I mean, I was in the medium. It don't matter.

It's still shot calls. Go to shot calls and they'll say, hey, listen, if you don't squash, he ain't coming out. I understand. But I'm saying, I never saw them do that. But I do know that they would call them to the warden's office. And so they have conversations because what would happen is something would happen at the pin. I was only in a medium.

Something happens to the pen. They lock us down at the medium, too. They have to. They like both pins down, the medium, sometimes the low. Right. And then, but we would never get locked down for very long because they realize that they bring the shot callers in, they have a conversation, they go back, that everybody, everything's okay.

Because they realize, like, these guys are like, look, we're in the medium. Right. We're not doing anything. They're cutting and fighting them. Penitentiaries, they're killing. That's the problem. That's the problem. They're stabbing you to death.

They're not like cutting you. Right. They're stabbing you. They're trying to kill you. So it's a little different when you have penitentiary beef than other ones. You know, when you go into, when you go into, you get moved to any prison. Right. And this isn't just me.

It's everybody. Everybody gets talked to by SIS. Of course. I mean, you have medical. You have certain checkups, right? You have to talk to medical. Don't get off the bus. Right.

Yeah. So, so you go and SIS comes in and they're like, and so they're, you know, you're a member of a gang. You remember this. Have you cooperated against anybody that's in this institution? Do you have any separaties against you? They go through the whole thing. And I remember one of the, the best, the best version I had of this was the guy said, listen, at the pen we're trying to keep these guys from stabbing us right he goes at the medium we're

trying to keep them from stabbing each other he goes at the low we're trying to keep you guys following the rules right he just follow the rules and you'll be fine right and i was like i'm good i'm a rule follower i'm good yeah well the pen anything goes yeah well they you know their guards are just trying to keep like i just don't want to get you're with guys what millions natural lives double lives they just don't give a fuck and when shit cracks off it's like they'll lock you down they'll keep my firm is in hazelton he was locked down for a month they killed the guy right there They stab him a hundred times. You're not coming out until it's squashed.

Yeah. They stab the guy 100 times. You know what I'm saying? Like in his face, literally mask at him. And he's like, he's ain't coming out. You know what I'm saying? So he's in the same prison as Diddy. Like all these guys.

Unit. Yeah. So these guys are probably... Four North. They're in four not. Mm-hmm. So if you're in the unit, that means that, you know, he might be downstairs. And on the second tier, Diddy might be right over there.

Well, this is a dorm. So they're dead dorm. So they're just laying on their beds. Oh. That side is dorms. So you're just chilling in your bed. all day. Oh, fuck that. Yeah. I'd rather have a cell. Yeah, you're just in your, you're just on beds. It's his dorms, but it's only like 20-something people in there.

And you were in the same, you were in that prison? Yeah, I was in that unit, exact unit. I was with a bunch of celebrities in there. Yeah. I've only been in a, I've only been in one place that had probably 20 guys in it. And that was when I first got arrested. And it was just like, there was just bunk bed after bunk bed after bunk bed after bed. That sucks. Yeah. Is this the same prison that you were locked up with SBF in? Yeah. Okay. Or not. Yeah. And it's specifically for, high profile. Yeah. People that they don't want in the regular units, They can't. They're on the media. They're all over the news. You would think they would be in cells, though, because it's for protection.

Well, they had cells, but I'll tell you why they took us out of the cells. An MS-13 killed a black hand. You know, black hands. You're in the feds. They killed one a couple years ago. So they had to take all the MS-13s and separate them and had to put them all together. They put them all in Lewisburg. And then all the ones in MDC. Brooklyn, they put in our unit, 83. Okay. They put them all in there. And then we got switched the other side to the dorms. That's why, because the MS-13s couldn't go.

They were lunchmen everywhere They went because they killed a black hand So they couldn't go nowhere Through the country They had to get pulled out You know what they do They put them all on buses And put them in Louisburg

There was 1800s I'm in Lusberg So Yeah So these high profile guys They're not really with Like just your average inmates Like they're not in prison Like with a bunch of people

At least not yet until they're Yeah When they're sentenced They go to a drop by you But when you're in 4 North It's only like You have to be cleared by prosecutors cleared by everything

To go in there You can't just go in there there. And how long do you think he's going to be in there until they... It depends. They can hold you for years in there. Yeah. Depends, you know? I knew a guy that was fighting his case that was in the U.S. Marshal's holdover for seven years.

And if you're cooperating, they'll make you stay there for, who knows how long if you know, you got murders and stuff, you'll just sit there. I've seen guys wait fucking years to get sentenced when you're cooperating. If you got murders and trials and things, you can wait seven, eight years to get sentence. Right. At least seven, eight years to get sentenced, you know what I mean? At his trial, he looked like pretty cleaned up. up. Like he didn't look like he'd been sitting in prison. Well, yeah, well, the units is really sweet

in four north. You get access to everything. You know what I mean? They got a bar bar bar. You have everything in there. Cocky tables. They got everything. They're hanging out in there. There's nothing going on. It's a cool unit. Do you think he'll eventually be convicted? 100%. He's going to get life in prison. Well, they're, they're talking about right now. They're saying that they're trying to get that they didn't read them his rights when they grabbed his bag. I know. I'm making that argument. He's going to jail. He's going to jail. Yeah, that whole... He has a state case and a federal case.

He has to die three times to go home. You know what I'm saying? He's got to die three times before he sees the street. Okay, that's it. So if they could die and resuscitate him three times, he's coming home. That's the only way. You know? That's it.

There's no what's about it. What other cases or topics have News Nation had you on for? For Diddy with the Puff Daddy stuff going on? But that's just about the jail, what it's like for him in jail. Yeah, where he's going to be, what's the unit's going on, and my opinion on it, you know, which, you know, they asked me

about that, which, you know, I don't like his charges, obviously. Yeah. Disgusting. Because I was with R. Kelly as well. You know, he was another one in there. Fat, disgust and smells. Don't shower.

But he's the best thing that you ever see in your life. He could sing opera. He could play a piano, the guitar, anything. This guy's multi-talented. And he always manages to put himself next to a gay guy. Guys, that's true. He always manages to find his self

in a unit and he'll be next to the gay guy. That lets you know something's up. You know jail. Where do you go? When you go to your, you go with your peers when you're going to prison. Yeah, you don't want to. So if you're going with the gay people, obviously you're gay because that's not where you go.

You know what I go. Even though I'm a cooperative, I look for Italians, always mafia. When I go anywhere, I go in prison, where's the Italians? I don't go, where's the gays? Yeah. He manages always to put himself in that area. They go together. Even the sex offenders that are lying about being sex offense.

They find each other. They still. Find each other. They're like, it's like a gaggle of like geese. There's like 30 of them. And they create a community, even though half of them in the community are lying about being there. I was with a bad one. But they still get together.

The one in four north, we were with the cop, the NYPD cop that had all the underage girls. He was in the unit, me. His name is Carmine. And we didn't even know until it came out on the news. We didn't know why he was in the unit. It's like, yo, you look like a, like, he looks like Bart from the Simpsons. Like he looks like. Right. They all.

Like, he doesn't look like, I'm like, what are you, what crime were you committing? And it made sense when I seen in the news that he had 22 counts of pedophile shit. You know what I'm saying? And they gave him, and they gave him, he wasn't cooperating. He just couldn't put him nowhere in the jail because of his case. Right. So they had to put him in four north. And they gave him like 20-something years.

They smoked his ass. He was only 25 years old, too. I'm going to look something up real quick. Even though I know you don't know who this is, because it happens. so long ago. Mm-hmm. Hold on. New York police officer that stuck baton in inmates' ass.

This is 97. He stuck, he took, I want to say it was a broom handle in a, in a, in a, a, a, a, a, a, a, detainee's ass. Yeah, I know you're talking about. Of course. That was a famous case. What's his name? They gave that guy millions of dollars.

What's the guy's name? I forgot. In 1997, former NYPD cop Justin Volt. Justin. I knew it was a normal. Justin. So I was locked up with Justin. Okay.

Justin was the nicest guy. Yeah. It was in the low. He said, anyway, yeah, so what happened was, you know, and I mean, he never, listen, he never once said it, what, it didn't happen. You know what I'm saying? They found some guy. I think his version was the guy they arrested him for sexually assaulting a girl. And the guy was talking shit.

And when they got him back to the station house... They gave him a taste of his own medicine? That's what he said. He said he grabbed a... And I want to say it... I've heard other people say it was a baton, but I'm almost positive he said it was like a broom handle or something. And it was a plungeer.

With a plunge stick. What, it was the... It was a broomstick? Yeah. Okay, broomstick. It was the wooden part of a whatever. And fucking boom and fucked him up. So, anyway, obviously, they found out about it what happened.

And he was... He was... He went to, went to trial. And he said, look, he said halfway through the trial, they had offered, already offered him 30 years. And now he's looking at like 45 years or something even more. And halfway through the trial, he said, I saw how bad it was going. Right. And he went and he said, after like the, whatever, two, three days into the trial, he turned to his fucking lawyer and said, can you get me the 30 years?

Yeah. And she said, hold on. She talked to them, came back and they said, we'll do, we'll take, you'll take the 30. And by the way, the 30 was just for violating his civil rights. Yeah. There was a state case, which getting 10 years... It was concurrent. It was concurrent.

So he only never had to go to the state. Yeah. So he, anyway, he was, you know, listen, Justin was, wasn't a bad guy. Right. Justin got married while he was in there. Justin walked at the low, didn't have any real problems. Of course, he didn't really talk to a lot of people either. Well, my friend Frankie was with the one that killed, um, that suffocated the dude, which is his name, Ferguson.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the cop that killed the black dude and suffocated him. Yeah, you're talking about George Floyd. George Floyd. So the guy to kill George Floyd, my friend Frankie was with him in the units. He was in a dropout yard in Arizona. And they stabbed them. Frankie was there when they stabbed them.

Really? They stabbed them. Yeah. I feel like I might have heard that. They didn't. They stabbed them up. Yeah. Yeah.

Justin said he had only had, I think, one fight the whole time he'd been there. Over his thing? No, but it wasn't even over his thing. He said, it was just an argument between, he's like, I don't know, he said, it's just an argument. You know, you get into an argument, and the guy pushes you and boom, he fucking clocked him. And they had a fight. He said, I've never had. He said, now I've had guys maybe make a crack or two, but it never gets very far.

And he was like, and that was like the first five or ten years. Yeah, because nobody remembers it. You know what I'm saying? That wasn't like in the public eye every time. Yeah, it was old. They forget about it. But he ended up getting married to like a, some girl he went to high school and got out. I know he's out now.

But he's a police officer. I was locked up with a lot of cops. I was locked up with DEA agents. I was, uh, cops. I know it's crazy because things blow over. I was in the state in Groveland. And you know, when you're in a state, they make you learn the trade, right? have to go to trade school.

Yeah. So I'm in trade school, and the teacher's assistant turned out to be the Buffalo path. And I'm like, how the fuck is this guy an assistant teacher? He's like, oh, it's 20-something years ago. I'm like, they trust him around a woman. You know what I'm saying? Like he's working next to, well, they killed the, what do you mean?

The guy killed the CEO in Greenhaven that happened. I'm just, you know, but I'm saying like, it was crazy that you're saying that. I'm just like, this guy is the Buffalo path bike. He had like 25 to life, whatever. And now he's a teacher's assistant. 25 to life. That's it. Yeah, that's all they give you in the state, usually in the max with that, you know?

But it was just crazy thinking about that, like, wow, this fucking scumbag is here with these guys, you know, it's crazy. Like, you never know who you're around. It's really nuts. Yeah, well, I think about it. It's old, and I mean. That's what I'm saying. And, you know, they get to the point where you're sitting there, you might hear about it. And you go, oh, my God, I can't believe that.

And then everybody else was like, yeah, he's all right. Because they've been with him for 10 years. Like, he's been here for 10 years. Yeah, I can't, though. With those, I can't. I just can't. What about that? So I already told you, though, at this, the guy who was a part of the team, I think we had this

conversation. So I told you about the guy who was a part of the, um, the drug team that was raiding houses on no knoxia, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was there, never had any problem, the junior. If you look up Abdullah, I was with Abdullah, Abdullah is the guy to try to shoot everybody coming off the fucking subway, okay, in 2009. And I was with this guy, wait, you know, the best part is, and I'm going to let her run here this one. So now in Ferenton, we all sit with our own tables.

New York, sits with New York, because there's all different, you know, people. people in different states there. So I'm at the New York table. This scumbag sitting at the New York table. Now I'm with my friend Baghdad, my friend Nino. Yeah, he's nuts. He's a blood kid, real tough guy. He actually had my back on this situation.

I'll tell you what happened. So Mujo, who I told you with a Batthia kid that went home on a Rule 35 out of nowhere, we talked about that the last time. Real good kid. Anyway, so I'm with them at a table. And the terrorist, I call him a terrorist. Right. You know, that's his fucking name.

And, you know, he's not Muslim because he was hanging. the Muslims. Now, I'm fuming. Fuming. So I'm like, he's not sitting at the New York table with us. They're like, oh, he's from New York. He lived in Queens. I says, he's a fucking dirty terrorist. I said he tried to shoot women and children coming off a subway and then he tried to blow himself up and he didn't know how to detonate the bomb the moron. He couldn't even kill himself right. I said, he's not sitting with us. I told him, you got to get up. We get into it. Wait, I'm going to tell you why I feel like, it bugged me out about the Islam nation a little bit because I'm like, all right.

So I tell him, let's go. What do you want to do? So I'm ready to fight with him at the table. But like, you can't do that any? I'm like, no, fuck that. He's a fucking terrorist. I ain't sitting with him. He's not from New York.

He's from Afghanistan, wherever he's from. He's from these fucking one of these fucking things. Wait, wait, he's from a lot of these areas. I said, you can't, uh, you, um, I'm not sitting with him. And they're like, oh, you can't do that any. I said, no, fuck that. I got up. I'm like, what's up?

I went after him, basically. Boom, boom, boom. Now wait. I go back to the units and I see the Muslims all like lined up Right I'm not thinking anything down It's like seven of them

Now my bunky Baghdad I told you about Double murder Notorious gang leader Tough guy Like a box are tough Like everyone knows he's tough Me and him became good friends

Bro The fucking Muslims run down on me I go on myself They come in there Like seven of them Right What you're doing with the brother What do you mean the brother

So he's a dirty dirty terrorist. He's not a fucking brother. I said he tried to kill innocent people coming off a fucking train. That's not a fucking organization. He's a dirty al-Qaeda terrorist, I said. He's not a fucking Muslim. So if you're protecting him, then you're a fucking terrorist, I said. And then Baghdad came in and he's like, yo, what he's up? What do he's want to do? What's up? And then everything changed. Baghdad goes, what do you want to do? The Muslims are like, oh, in Baghdad's like, that's not a brother. He's a fucking terrorist.

Now he's in the wrong. Why are you sticking up for this guy? He's a fucking terrorist. Whole big thing. It fucked my head up because I'm like, all right, so they do protect these motherfuckers.

Right. How you get... This guy is a known al-Qaeda member. He tried to kill women and children coming off from New York subway, tried to blow herself up and kill people, but now he's with the Muslims and they're protecting him.

I says, well, this don't make sense to me. Why wasn't he sitting with him? That's what I said. He wants to sit at the New York table. I said, no, he's not fucking New York, bro. So my buddy Joey Caves pulled up, Joey Capitiello,

who was a hit man for the Colombo family, would purposely play basketball with him. Right. He'd go up for a layup. Abdullah was going to the front going, every time I go play basketball, Joey throws me on the floor, he hits me, Joey caves is cracking him.

He would go up for a layup, you'd just see Joey boom, bumrush him to the ground. Because he's a terrorist, bro. Right. You're not a fucking, you're not a criminal. You're a fucking dirty terrorist. And then you're being protected by the Muslims that just had us furious, furious!

Furious! So, and we were in there with this guy and we had the deal with this. You know what I'm saying? And we made him leave the New York table. I got my way. Okay. I'm not sitting with him.

So what do you do? He ended up sitting with the Muslims. I don't know why he wouldn't have been sitting with the Muslims to begin with. He shouldn't be sitting with them at all. Why are they taking him in? Right. I understand what you're saying. But in the end, they have to go somewhere.

But it fucked my head up. It just made me think like, all right, why are they accepting this guy? He's al-Qaeda. Why is he sitting with you guys? You know what I'm saying? It just messed up my whole shit. Because I'm friends with a lot of Muslims. But then I'm like,

you're taking this guy in? Right. He's not a criminal. He's a fucking scumbag. I tried to kill innocent people coming off a train in New York at that. And then you're going to try to sit at the New York table like, you're one of us.

I told him, get the fuck out of you. You're not sitting here with me. And I exploded. And I pulled one of my fucking, and I'm just coming from regular jail still. I just knocked the guy's teeth out in the county in Jersey. Right. You know what I mean?

And then I was in a cell where somebody died. Literally, in a cell where somebody dropped dead. So that's all of the. over the internet's known thing. Like I was in a cell. Yeah. Bugs in Jersey died in a cell where I was in. He died.

He died. You think I'm going into Whitsack Prison and you think I'm going to sit with a terrorist? because I'm not having. clearly you didn't. You know, I understand it. I'm not having it. And that's why I told people. And I was, and they were getting mad at me to step because I'm, like, not inciting.

going to change my ways because I cooperated. Like, you're not going to have me sitting with fucking China lessons and fucking terrorists now. Right. You know what I'm saying? Why? So why was that guy in the unit? He was telling, he was cooperating against al-Qaeda. Oh, real?

Oh, okay. He actually gives seminars for the FBI, teach them about terrorists. He gives seminars, this douchebag. Yeah. He got out? Yeah. Did he kill anybody? No, he tried to kill a whole bunch of women and children on the subway.

Okay. So he tried to shoot him. He had an assault rifle. Yeah. and then he had the thing attached to him. The bomb. The fucking, he couldn't detonate it, the moron.

So he wasn't able to kill anybody. No, tried to. He wasn't able to kill himself. We used to call him the dumb terrorist, the fucking idiot that couldn't do. Yeah, he couldn't even blow himself up. I told him, cookie heels together. Maybe you'll blow up now, you fucking douche.

We used to terrorize this guy. He hated me. He hated me and all of us. You know what I mean? So I gave him a hard time. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching the video. Do me a favor.

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