Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Ex Armored Truck Driver Reveals His Perfect Heist

Episode Date: August 17, 2023

Ex Armored Truck Driver Reveals His Perfect Heist

I think the biggest, like, hall that I had in the morning taking off, I think I was sitting on about, I want to say close to 1.5 mil. I went into the store one day to check one of them, and this lady, she was, asked me about it. She was like, you think you give my money back? I was like, I just got scammed for $5,000, you know, because apparently she sent it to someone for some care package or one at another. I was like, yeah, I have no control of that. And there this whole time I'll talk there. I'm, like, opening the machine and taking her money out that she just put in there a couple hours before. I'm, like, felt so bad about that.

I'm like, I was there to monitor this ATM and to monitor me. Only thing that's really watching me are the cameras inside the convenience store itself. And most of these convenience stores, they would have, like, fake cameras, dummy cameras, as I call them. A whole day, I'm just sitting there were live right on my chest. I was like, man, there's like, man, there's a 10 racks right here. There's a man, I don't know what I'm going to do with it. It's like all these other things I was thinking about doing with it. And then, um,

Hey, this is Matt Cox and I am going to be interviewing Justin. He is a former Loomis, um, employee. They, so you've got Brinks, Loomis. You have, uh, Garda. You have these, uh, companies that move, transfer money, uh, through. financial institutions and we're going to be talking about various types of things that happen in those depositories and on routes and how money sometimes the money comes comes up missing and we're going to get into it we're going to talk about a particular heist and so I appreciate

you watching check it out where are you now where are you where are you raised oh I was I was born here in the West Texas I don't want to name the particular town okay obvious obvious reasons I was born to my father, my mother. They were like a medium kind of household, not too wealthy, not too poor. I guess you would say, just right in the middle, mediocre. Right. I lived here pretty much the majority of my life. Been all the way up to high school, graduated, went to college, got a degree.

After that, really just started balancing and doing security work here around the West Texas area. Okay. So how did you end up being a, what do you guys call yourself even? You're not really a security guard, right? You're a, we're a carrier service. Carrier service. How did you end up working for a carrier service? Well, after the many years of doing security and all that, you kind of got a better resume to do it. So I just signed on one day. I did an application online. There's the big hiring process. They go and take your fingerprints and, and, Basically, everything to where something was to happen, the government has all your information. So you have a concealed weapons permit? I do. It's called a CHL here in Texas, concealed handgun license. But as of November 20, either it was 2020 or 2021, they made it an open carry state.

So you can carry without a license. You still had to have more to two. Well, you still have to do a background check to buy a weapon also. So, but not anyone just can just go and buy one though, but it's good to have one. But when you get your security license, when you get your level three, it's automatically in there for you to carry it on the job. So that's why I got moved up so quickly also. Or as far as the handguns license, yeah. So you put, you put an application in for Jeff Loomis or?

Yeah, that's the only one that looked decent at the time as far as like vehicles. was because Brings is like in the it's kind of like in the ghetto part of town and their vehicles aren't that good plus their one-man team which is outrageous just which crazy actually I don't know how they let them do that though but um uh guard of their vans just weren't secure at all like the back in of their vehicles one of the doors was uh has a little hinge lock to where you like pull it up and then slide it back you can slide it back like a hotel lock right as man i was on the outside of the truck keeping the door closed it was ridiculous uh but let me just look like a good company had worked for and uh yeah they're though and they called me

and i kept calling him just to see if i can hurry up and get on because i needed a job at the time not realizing what i was getting myself into well okay what so you got hired and what happened i mean you showed up the first day what yeah i got she got hired did the whole process of you know getting the physical and background and drug tests all that all that passed it all I went for my first day learned how to drop the truck came in about two days later did class training and all that stuff and less than two weeks I was on the truck driving I drove for about another week week and a half and I got moved to carrier and usually you'd have to be there for at least six months for you to even be considered a carrier and those are messenger those are the

people that go inside and pick up the cash or deposits or anything like that they're basically the boss of the truck it's a big a lot of responsibilities too uh so i was i was for a honor to do that so we're off the bat but the one thing that happened was i got resentment for pretty much from all the other people that worked there that's been there longer i mean there's people that were there for a year or two and they still haven't been able to be a messenger just because, I don't know, they used to have an initiative to do it, but I got a lot of resentment for that.

And pretty much I just stayed by myself after that because I could see how someone could turn on you in the matter of minutes or days just because something's so simple, like, you know, being able to have your, to be able to be a messenger so fast. It's ridiculous. Okay, so what are the different roles

in the in the that whole operation like i've actually written i wrote a story i don't know if you read that story that i wrote um it's called cash logistics it's all my website but you know i interviewed i know you contacted me um after i interviewed the guy with the um the brakes heist yeah yeah that's the one i was actually watching right now the man behind the largest bank robbery right so um you contact me after that And I think on that show, I mentioned that I had written a story about a guy named Jamar who had set up a Brinks heist. And so, I mean, I kind of know how it works. But I mean, can you, you know, like, what are the different positions?

As far as Brinks, they're the driver and the messenger, which is actually pretty dangerous. That's what makes me think. I don't know how these companies can get away with that. What about, what about Loomis? How does that work? Loomis, there's two guys, and as far as the truck layout is, it's a, it's a big F-650 converted into an armored truck, I believe so. F-650 converted to armor truck, bulletproof glass, sophisticated cameras on the inside of when they had cameras at the front with the driver, and then they had cameras in the bag with me, and the cameras pointing out the front of the truck to one on each side and one in the back. So, and they're always 24-7 recording from the time you turn that truck on.

Even after you get, by the time you get back, it doesn't shut off for like another four hours or something like that. Always recording. They're so sophisticated that if I was driving and I had one of these earbuds in right here, it could tell that I had a earbud in my ear. And I was being distracted by that. And so it sent back, you know, information to my supervisor saying, well, this is what he's doing wrong. And pretty much people can get rid enough for that. So as far as getting away with stuff, it was real difficult to do that. Let's discuss how the cameras work.

But the driver, he's in there, a majority of the time, unless he has to go to use the bathroom. And then he has to ask me to, if he can go use the bathroom, of course, go let him. I'll hop in the front seat because there has to be someone in the truck, driver's seat at all times. And they do send out supervisors to go watch you to make sure you're doing a job. And they'll send them out 100, 200 miles out. you know to watch see if you're doing it correctly uh so uh after that uh where was i i was like yeah so there's my position the carrier or the messenger as you would say we'd be responsible for collecting the cash go inside uh convenience stores atms banks uh also we go like into like little

outlet stores and get their cash also their deposits in walmarts also we did a lot of work with Walmart's. We'd bring the change. I mean, you go in there and you, what, you flash your badge and say, hey, because they've called you to come pick up money, right? So they're expecting you. Yes, pretty much. And they already know they have a set schedule of when we're supposed to arrive. And there's actually been fraudulent people try to act as Loomis before. You probably look it up and find a couple videos about it. But he just had like a little vest on. They didn't say Loomis on and no ID badge. but whenever we would go, of course, we'd have our D badge and it'd be like on a lanyard that you just pull down

and, you know, if you had said Lulmus on your vest, it looked pretty legit plus I got along with everyone, so they always knew that they were like, well, look, Loomis is here, be like, well, they call me that, man, that's not my name. So it's like, you know, scott, get along with everyone, get on their good side, so we'd go get their cash and then bring it back in the truck

to we scan it in, bring it back in the truck, put it in the bin, I want to the next row from about six in the morning to about, yeah, I usually get home around nine, 10 o'clock at night if I went out of town. So we got out of full day. Six, from six a.m. Yes. Until nine at night.

Just about sometimes later. But a 15 hour a day. Well, my route, we had to drop three hours out of town. so it was the drive that sucked the most but all during that on the way outside of town we'd stop by little places like little convenience stores and stuff like that to pick up their cash or whatever or cell phone come up places T-mobile uh so on the way up there we do that and sometimes some places they wouldn't even have deposits for us they'd be like oh we don't have anything all right cool onto the next and I just had like this long list of places we got to stop at so the whole time

I'm routing route which was the best because they won't always be the same like in order. So it's like, all right, so where do we need to be at, at this time? We've got to be at this bank at this time. So we got to do these, these routes efficiently. I had to plan them all out, kind of like in a route planner and see what's the fastest ones to take. Complete all those. To replenish ATMs would take a while, especially with the non, especially the ATMs that had multi currencies in them, like fives and tens and 20s. Like Wells Fargo is like one of the biggest ATMs we worked for because we would go when each 12th Fargo took it I think it was close I think it was every time we finished it I think it was close to $250,000 in an ATM yes that's

included that's included hundreds 20s or hundreds 50s 20s and tens uh yeah I don't think they use files but uh I could be mistaken though so you know when we have these little cassettes that we take out of the ATM and uh take them back to the truck take the money take the old money out put them in the bag scan it because we print out receipts for everything so we know how much is in the bag and um uh the course the driver's watching you at all times whenever he got he's uh he he chose position the truck closest as he can from door to door uh if even if it's taking up handicapped spots they would do that even though one of our guys got a ticket for that one time which is which is crazy though but anyways that's uh that's a different kind of

story, but we replaced the ATMs, and yeah, about $2,000.50,000 worth would go into those ATMs, and then as I go back in the truck onto the next one, and sometimes we'd have like four or five ATMs to replenish. And I think the biggest, like, hall that I had in the morning taking off, I think I was sitting on about, I want to say close to 1.5 mil. That's that you picked up altogether That's what I started out with in the day That's what I had to deliver and replenish also Because my much would take a lot of money

The Home Depot would get a lot of money So we had all these drop-offs and also there's one picture I sent you of the big one that had a bunch of ones we took off to the strip club And that was I think I believe that was a hundred thousand dollars worth He built some of the nation's largest banks out of an estimated $55 million dollars because 50 million wasn't enough and 60 million seemed excessive he is the most interesting man in the world i don't typically commit crimes but when i do it's bank fraud stay greedy my friends support the channel joint matthew cox's patreon i took pride in that job man

but over time is getting too stressful and you know as far as you know christmas coming around the corner, uh, bills are palling up and, uh, they were treating this correctly because we were getting paid as much as a regular cook was getting paid at the time. I'm not, I'm not dogging on cooks or anything, but I could have gone, but I love food, so I couldn't have gone but he could and you paid the same as I was, uh, did be the carrier. Uh, it was, it's like, I think like 16, 25 or something like that an hour, uh, which is ridiculous now that I think about it. Um, how long did you work there?

Close to a year, uh, started around my birthday. I actually got it written down right here. Uh, oh yeah, I started on my birthday. That's what I just started on my birthday. That's one, that's one thing I remember to try to remember about it. It's like, even though I forget about it. Uh, yeah, around the time of my birthday, I'm going to say it was my birthday, but, you know, around March 5th of 21.

Okay. And then, yeah, I worked with them all through the year. through the summer learned how everything went and it just got repetitive after a wall then we got to a point to where when I was sitting

in the back of the truck you can see my leg propped up on one of those pictures that I was just looking at it one morning you know it's just making me sick to my stomach was looking at

just looking at it because you know because people get their heads chopped off of that for that paper yeah if you think about it that way which is crazy

but then I had to go back well you got a job to do and I get back in that motion be like all right let's let's get this day done with so I got to that point to I was like man I'm getting tired.

Did, I mean, did you ever hear about, you know, money just showing up missing or? Um, not really. If I'd never really bothered to ask around there's, I've heard some things, but always been that kind of guy that's kept to myself and like, I'm the more like the guy that sits in the bag of the room and watches and listen to everyone else. But with that job, I just wanted to get my job done and go home. Even with the truck driver, you know, I was like, we would get a new driver. Like, if I'm an ass, if I'm come off as an ass or something,

no take it personally you know that's what i'd be telling him through the yeah pain glass window and he's like no it's all good the next day he's not even showing up uh that's how stressful was getting like and at the other day i apologize him but like man i'm sorry if i came off as asshole and stuff like that you know it's just a bunch of numbers and stuff and then people just after a while i don't know what got to me the most i think it's just because i don't know i was working so much and uh yeah paid i'm i'm pretty sure i could got paid way better than I was well so well what do you guys make it was uh I started off at 15 an hour but by the time I was getting by the time I left it was 16 50 an hour

and do you get more than 40 hours a week oh most definitely uh I would clear at least close to 1200 every two weeks um so okay so i'm saying 40 hours a week do you work more than 40 hours a week most definitely i at least yeah i hit 40 hours by my i want to say by my third and a half day fourth day on i might i'm you work at what 16 67 68 60 70 hours a week yes pretty much At the very minimum, about 58 hours at the minimum. I was just saying, because the guy that I had talked to was that I wrote the story about, like he was telling me about money just showing up, you know, missing. Like guys would, they would scan the bags as they come in.

Like, you know, they give you the, you pick up the deposits. And you scan the bag. He's like, he's like, you have a scanner. You have a little device. You scan it in. And he said, then at the end of the day, you come back and you, give them you scan like here's what i've got they then scan them in he said every once while somebody would show up and there'd be one missing i was like that's that's where i kind of had a problem with

that story because it goes back to like how sophisticated the trucks are um and also and this is probably 10 years 10 or more years ago when his his thing happened oh okay 10 years okay then the mod they don't already ought to have the most sophisticated cameras i could see that happening back then but when I was there, there's no way possible. That's only to get away with that now. But as far as money coming up missing? No, not really.

Which comes to here in town we have Brinks. They got robbed and actually that just looked like a setup all in one you know, it's just no one's going to know like, you know, hey let's go rob this Brinks dude. You know, he's

armed him by himself. as I and plus like the way that was on camera and everything it just looked totally funny if you look up the town I'll tell you the town later and look up rings oh you'll find the video uh but I don't think that guy was ever caught um so what what happened I mean you don't work here anymore right so basically after a while it's getting too overwhelming for me and then we started working with these uh during my time it was like six months in we started working with these bitcoin machines that they have at convenience stores and it basically turns your cash into cryptocurrency you can send it to your wallet or you send it to other

people and it's also basically a way to wash or i guess yeah wash your money i guess they they call it uh basically turn in you know drug wanting it to uh yeah money laundering like longer your cash into crypto, your crypto into cash, right? So pretty much. And, you know, over times, especially down, down, going down south, there's a lot of them. And it's something you really notice, like, if you're going to a

convenience store unless you're actually looking for it. And so we started working with them. And then we're going through the, I guess it's something that's barely started happening. So they'd give us an information on a little scanner and say, you know, give us the pass code for that, for that ATM. So we go and put the past. code in,

open it up. Well, first it shows the screen how much is in there. And then if there's anything in there, you open it up, clear it, or you clear it, then open it up, take whatever's out of there and put it on one of those bags as I was talking about. Scan it in. On the little, I was just scan it in. You put in the amount on your little palm.

It was like a, like a zebra, one of those zebra scanners that you'd probably see someone have at Walmart. You scan it and then put the how much was in there. Then just throw it in the truck, roll out. Yeah, that's what we started working with a lot And like I said, 90% of the time There'd be nothing in them So I wasn't too sure who was the boss

Or who was the supervisor for all those ATMs I try to look it up See who manages them all But I couldn't find anything about them So probably, I don't know if they still do this There used to be a business opportunity scam Where you could buy ATM machines they can

you can buy ATM machines as far as like let's say there's some game rooms here they buy them from I forgot who they buy them from but you can buy regular ATMs but as far as buying Bitcoin machine ATMs I don't know anything about that I never heard about

buy Bitcoin machines I don't know there was one where you could basically you buy them and you could find you could go put them in convenience stores in different places and load them and you know So you charge whatever, $3.50 for every transaction or whatever it was. Well, yeah, right.

I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I'm not too sure if you could buy them from, but I've heard of people buying them, buy an ATM and then just putting their own cash in there. I'm not too sure how all that works either. I'm pretty sure there's some much, just a background checking going through that, to be able to buy an ATM in the first place. Well, I mean, they really just, yeah, I hear you. I don't know.

I don't know. this was a it was a business I knew a guy that was selling the machines like they would sell the machines and they load them with their own cash and then they tie them into you know whatever however many banks or whatever and then you know you go there and you punch in your pin number and you get the cash and then they take the cash from your your bank account and they charge you a fee so um but they were tiny little machines their little they weren't big massive ATM machines that were that were you know in in a wall or something these were a little tiny machine that you could

probably put on the dolly and roll out with yeah exactly like they bolt them to the ground but i mean you know honestly i probably take a crowbar and yank them out of the concrete but most of the time too especially when we'd all open them at convenience stores part of the ones you'd see like uh would y'all have y'all have the uh the wawa there in florida yeah like the ones they have the ones they have they're pretty sure we'll probably have the same ones and um yeah As far as selling those, I don't know how you'd be able to sell those. But I never heard of that scam before. I'm going to have to look into that one.

Well, I mean, it sounds interesting, though. The, the cryptocurrency ones, like, I can't imagine. Like, are those ones that are owned by Bank of America or, you know, like, what are they? I've never even heard of those. See, as far as you guys is just good as mine. That's the thing. I never knew who owned those or who would get the money, you know, like, because it's so hush, hush, I guess. Plus, we just barely started working with them. So, you know, we go replenish

ATM at a convenience of 7-11. Well, on top of that 7-11, or on top of that ATM, it says, Happy State Bank or America State Bank. Of course, we know where that ATM and that money's coming from. Right. But on Bitcoin, they never said it didn't have no, like, sponsors. It didn't have nothing saying, like, who the money, who is copyrighted by maybe, or trademarks or anything like that is they have anything even on the ATM itself just said bitcoin uh bitcoin is something though but you know it's it didn't say with partnership with so-and-so nothing like that right even on the main screen so it's kind of weird so what happened well all right so i went into the store one day to check one of them and this lady she was uh asked me about it she was like you think

you give my money back i was like i just got a scam for $5,000, you know, because apparently she sent it to someone for some care package or one or another. I was like, yeah, I have no control of that. And during this whole time, I'm talking to her, I'm, like, opening the machine and taking her money out that she just put in there a couple hours before. I felt so bad about that. I'm like, I'm so sorry. Like, you know, it's, yeah, there are scams that go around. It's like, I gave her my contact number to the, to my job.

And I was like, you want to try to contact Bitcoin, even though I don't know who you would get in contact with from Bitcoin. Like, there's, they don't have no phone number on it or anything. I was like, I don't know how it goes about that. And so she's just like real depressed about that. I mean, I'd be upset, too, if I just got a scan for $5,000. It's right there in front of me, you know. Even though, like, she could have took out a gun and shot me in the head and took out of the other thing I had, like, there's people that kill for less than that.

And so I kind of thought about that. And then after a while, I was just thinking about, you know, who keeps, who keeps trying this you know i was doing the thing like you know this bank controls this money you know i pick up this money from other uh businesses they know what they're giving me so i got to scan them in but who really no one's there to monitor this ATM and to monitor me only thing that's really watching me are the cameras inside the convenience store itself and most of these convenience stores they would have like fake cameras dummy cameras as i call them and uh they just have like these blinking red lights and that's how you can know they're their dummy camera they look like

those black dome ones you're probably seen right uh i could spot fake ones from a mile away uh i used to install them in a previous job but that was a few years ago but uh the dummy ones they'd have they'd have a like a blink blink in red light and so i always knew if they were fake or not and so i started thinking i was like man just need to you know plant it out because we'd get like four or five of those in a route a day and like i said 90% of the time there's nothing there's nothing more than a hundred dollars so i was like you know i'm not going to rush anything just see what happens and if when the day happens you know that'll happen sure enough that day didn't it didn't it didn't take long for that day to come it was around christmas time

and i just took my chance and you know went to go check out see how much was in there and there's 10,000 in there and so I was like yeah this is my time so I tell you I did well when I go check those ATMs I wouldn't have to they tell us to carry a bag with us all the time I don't know for what reason though pretty sure it's a safety reason but I would never carry one in just to check the ATM because I knew if I was coming out with something it would be small to put in my vest that I wore so I always keep spare bags in there also it's just in case so I never take anything with me So I went in there, checked it, looked around, spotted with fake cameras.

Because all the time, I started looking out where the cameras were and, like, just studying basically every convenience store I went into. So I went in there and checked it out. It said that it said 10,000 in there, USD, open it up, took the cassette out. And right there on the floor, you know, I was just open up the bag, put the cash in there. But I never scanned it in. And once you close ATM and clear it, it doesn't print off an overseas. anything like that so let's put it back in my vest it looked like i just checked the check the cassette to see if anything was in there uh basically just put the cassette back in

i closed it up left uh so just went out through the day and the whole day i'm just like this is like maybe 10 in the morning so the whole day i'm just sitting there right right on my chest right like there's like i was like man there's like i own around i'm going to do with it it's like all these other things i was thinking about doing with it and then um on the way back at the end of the day I was heading back and I was just sitting there

I was like man I'll probably go to prison I'm probably gonna go to prisons for this and because I said no there's no back in out now because there's cameras in front of me there's cameras all around me

there's no going to your car before you go on aside when we get there and we were always the last ones there's because we were out of town the far outside of town I was like yeah they're gonna you know

they seem to go to my car like they're not gonna appreciate that at all they're going to want to know hey what you go out to your car uh and like i said this is like i mean a couple days before christmas so uh yeah i just went home took it out well i went to my girlfriend's house and showed her what was that i just told her i got some kind of bonus or whatever she was from maceko so this she didn't speak that good in english so she just thought i got some kind of bonus i don't know how all that worked out or really all that was basically big like a big haze to me now so uh yeah

just sat on it for a couple weeks man Yeah, well, I got sick. They didn't notice? Well, they didn't. I'm pretty sure at the time they checked everything because before, by the, around the time I got that and by the time I came back to work, I was asked. They were like, have you been checking at ATMs? Like, make sure there's anything in there.

I'm like, yeah, I'm making sure to check them all. You know, it's like, there's, I just like most of the time because if they tell us to check them, even though if it says $0 on the screen to show how much is in there. They see, check it anyway. So I'll tell them, yeah, I'll check it every time. You know, I played it off real good. And then I got sick around that time after Christmas. I got, I had the flu.

And then I got the COVID shot January 1st, 2022. And the COVID shot I got apparently, it was like the one that kills people, whatever. It was the Johnson shot. So I got, it messed me up for like a good week and a half. It messed me up pretty good. and then after that after I got that pain went away

then I got COVID like at the very end I was like that would happen to me so you got COVID and then I got over that that took a month and a half on the end of that

on the end of that that's when I came back to work and between that time we went to Miami so she'd get her breast done your own up yes at the time

and paid for all that and everything and talking about like all the plane tickets the ubers the food and all that and so it was pretty it's pretty good experience for me especially me never gone up in the ford and also like that humidity i don't know forget that can't do that humidity again but i was that came back um worked for about a week on my second week back uh they took me to the office well they told me to um they're like hey just hold

off the manager wants to talk to you the the supervisor, the branch supervisor of the building. And they were like, yeah, they show me this video of me not wearing my seatbelt or something like that, which I've done almost like every day. It was policy to wear your seatbelt at all the time when the truck's moving. Law enforcement often questions him, not because he's suspected of a crime, but because they find him fascinating. He is the most interesting man in the world.

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He's like, he wants to talk to you about this. I'm like, all right. I was like, you know, just like me, I'm wearing my seatbelt a video of it. I'm like, yeah, there's something else going on here. And so I'll wait for like another hour. Everyone else already left, so I'm just sitting there by myself in the bay. you can hear the change machine in the background because they're always just constantly running change and people that go to coin stars and turn their change in we collect all that too uh so you're hearing the background i'm just in there and was like probably gonna go to prison i was just you know i was thinking to texting my mom and everyone you know hey y'all don't hear from me you know because there's no way if that was happened there's no way i could call anyone and tell them what happened um why i got it i couldn't tell them from jail you know just because hey i'm in jail i'd have to

tell them before you know yeah and they'd be recording you anyway if you were trying to talk to them on jail phone you wouldn't be a good idea to say hey i swiped 10 grand yeah exactly so it's like i wonder what i should do because by this time i already already spent most of it maybe i had about maybe like two or three thousand left uh just sitting on that so i couldn't i was just in there like you know i'm just not going to say anything you know like i've always done before in the past you know when i got in trouble uh because not out of 10 times they're bluffing if they say they got they say this and this and this and as much as i knew i know they haven't been to every store that what i've worked in especially with these new machines so i was like yeah i was gonna

play along with it i'm gonna act like i don't know and just not say anything so just got taken to the back they're like you know in this day or this day you know what have what it might happened at this ATM be like I don't recall you know I used to hear a lot of cops say that when they're in the court like I don't I don't recall you know so that's basically saying you know you know you know you know damn well what happened but you just don't want to admit it right I don't recall so I just kept saying that and then uh the guy that was that guy was talking to me he used to be a he used to be some uh detective for uh homeland uh not homeland security but um probably is that homeless security of people that work at the airports uh uh no t what is it um tsa

tsa tsa well he's some investigator for them um i guess they'd go in and interview people that try to smuggling uh drugs or money or whatever right he used to he used to do that and uh in miami out of all places because he had this real thick Cuban accent and that's where he started out as and uh how ironic that is um but uh he came up here to work here in west Texas and he was interviewed me he's like he's like he's like he was just him in the room I didn't have my gun on me he took it off me and everything you know it's so I didn't I wasn't going to come off threatening or anything I just sat there like pretty much how I'm now just looking at him kind of got a little smirk on my face not really but I was kind of nervous

So that's how I hot it is that, you know, I was, I'll just kind of like smirk to myself or whatever. It looks like I'm smirking or laughing, but I'm really not. And so he's like, he's like, Justin, I know what you did. You know, he's like, so you got. I didn't wear my seatbelt. Yeah, well, yeah, that too. And that was like the third thing, too. He's like, and you never wear your seatbelt also.

And like, yeah, I forget that. See, always chafing me and cut me in my neck and all that. It's like, all this money can't buy new seatbelts. And like, they'd be all frizzy and stuff. Like, I got cutting in your. neck. I'd put like one of those seatbelt covers right there. It was ridiculous. All the money they got they can afford those. And the seats too were comfortable as hell. It's like riding on a horse all day. Uh, so basically this government ultimatum, you know, if I wanted to stay, that's fine.

But if, what, they'd get rid of me eventually. And it'd be in the back and that it'd be me leaving in the back of a cop car. We didn't say that, but he said, we all would make sure. I forget what he said exactly but those are along the lines of it had to still remain professionally either way uh so as i i resigned you know took all my vest they escorted me out and by around this time i didn't have a i didn't have my ride it was in the shop so as they stripped me of everything i had even my clothes so i was like standing there it was so cold i remember it was like 40 degrees that morning and i'm sitting there outside with my i'm sitting there of tanny shoes my shorts

I had some shorts that I brought with me because I changed them out at the end of the day because my pants would get too sweaty and whatever so I put on my shorts and I had a tank top

underneath it was kind of like a tight underarm shirt and I'm sitting out there a 40 degree weather no jacket or nothing because we had to give us Loomish jacket

so they took that away I'm standing there like freezing balls like with the wind blowing I'm just like man I think I just dodged a bull there So I walked about two miles to my girlfriend's house And tell her what happened

And I never heard anything back from him at all So that was and they basically said like you know You can resign or if you stay Then you know you're gonna you're we're gonna end up getting you to get getting you fired Yeah some way or another um because because if they knew the money was missing but they couldn't pinpoint what you done Exactly because I never scanned it in or anything like that

and they never scanned it in and I'm pretty sure they did they only had on their on their end I'm pretty sure the only thing they could probably see is like how much was in there and where it was at but as far as proof

that's why I said I'm just going to not say anything because if they know if they have proof on you they're not going to ask you you know they're going to call the cops and they'll come back you exactly

exactly so I was like and there's been times where people have got arrested you know just for taking this or that and they don't they don't even tell you they went to the cops to get there and then they'll call you back and then automatically arrest you rather than there

I'm like I'm pretty sure if I was getting arrested I'd be in handcuffs right now like if well the guy Jamar had told me about two instances one was a guy that had worked at the place for I don't know whatever five years four years I forget and he said he came in one day

and they were scanning in the bags and Jamar said he was the one scanning the bags he's like they have different jobs he's like like you could be a driver or you could be like a messenger he said and then you have the guy inside who actually skit when they the when the crews come back and the what the vault processors right like a process he said so every they bring up the bags and you scan all the bags um so he was scanning the bag because they made ended up making him like an assistant manager or something like they were training them on all the jobs and so he said I'm sitting there and I'm scanning in the bags and he said, I scanned them all in.

I looked, and he was like, okay, there's 12 bags. He's like, the guy's like, right? And he goes, well, it says you picked up 13. And he goes, no, man. He said, wait a minute. And the guy counted the bags. And he goes, hold on a second.

Maybe it's in the truck. Hold on. Goes back to the truck. Comes back in. He said the trucks were all parked inside. He's like, so he didn't leave my sight. He just walked open the door, looked around. Came back.

He said, I don't know. And he was like, and he said too, it was like 30 or 40 grand. He said it was like it wasn't a little money. And he said, um, and the thing is, Jamar, I think he said, like he was the only one there at the depository as the guys are coming in. He said, so he was like, okay, well, go home. He said he made a note in it in the logbook. Look, this 12 showed up. 13 were picked up. Came in with 12. He didn't know what happened. So the next day when he got there, they called him in the office called Jamar. in the office and said what happened he told him what happened he said i don't know what to do this is what

happened they were like okay then they talked to the guy and the guy said i don't know it says i picked up 13 bags you know at one place he picked up let's say three bags in one of the places and he said you know it says i picked up three he said but i'm pretty sure i must have only picked up two because maybe i scanned it scanned one of the bag twice and they were like no we called you picked up three he was like oh i don't know what to tell you and they were like okay he said man listen he like he kept work worked the whole week he said they never said anything and the guy like a whatever a month later showed up with like a fucking ten thousand dollar motorcycle and just gave him this look like yeah now he said there was another girl he said there was a girl

that had done it she'd been working there six months they pulled up in the truck and the girl got out of the truck and went to her car and then came back and walked in and they started scanning bags and she was missing a bag he said but it was obvious she walked to her car he said so what they did was they looked at the surveillance cameras saw that she had brought had gone back to her car like had her jacket or something put her jacket in person and she goes oh i just they said why did you go back to your car because i put my jacket my purse in my car and they were like you were supposed to come straight here yeah and she's like oh i'm sorry i just i've been carrying around all day i just thought I was leaving, you know, and they were like, no.

They called the police. The police went to her car and said, open your car. She opened the car and there was the fucking bag. They fired her. He said, I don't know that she got charged with anything. He said, I just know she left. And he's like, we never saw her again. He was, but to be honest, I don't know that they charged her.

And his whole thing was he didn't think they charged her because he said, I don't think, one, they recovered the money. He was in two, he's like, like, I don't think that they, wanted to the publicity of hey these guys are walking off with money periodically and like you know you're saying it doesn't really happen that off to be according to him he'd only been there like a year or so he'd seen it happen twice yeah as far as that as far as the guy losing one bag uh it must be a smaller branch um as far as him being the only person checking in the bags because usually when we'd get there but there'd be like three or four people checking

in bags. So it must have been a smaller branch. Um, well, at him not, the, the vehicles come in, there's two drivers. There was two drivers in his cruise. There was a driver and a, and a runner. And he said that they, they would pull in. It was a big, it was a depository, right? It wasn't, it, they were moving everything to a bigger, more secure place. Like, because he said, this was like a warehouse. You know, he said, it wasn't super, super secure. Um, And he said that, you know, as the trucks showed up at different times, they would show up, they'd come. He said, I'd check them in. He said, I'd check them in. Maybe 20 minutes later, somebody else would show up.

Maybe five minutes later, another truck would come in. So he's like, there was never like a line of people there. That sounds like, you know, the other than moving for warehouse to a new building, to more secure building. That sounds like the area I worked at. Right. Was this, Jamar Black Dude? Yeah. This was in Palm Beach.

Oh, Palm Beach? Yeah. Because I know that happened. We got, before I got there, they just barely moved into this new place. And they used to kind of have like a warehouse thing. It looks like a warehouse thing. It looks like a warehouse big bay door that you had a roll of. But this one was real sophisticated.

That's crazy. Man, let's talk about that. I guess they all got new buildings or whatever. But the way they put this building is like kind of at the end of town. Not in the worst part of town, but still, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to live over there. well but you know but it's kind of like yours like it's the same kind of thing where like they're like something happen yeah like we can't prove it because the guy you know we can't really see where he took plus it's only 10 grand you have to think too i've known guys that have run bank scams and they

never steal more than 10 grand like on a fraud because the problem is if it's less than 10 grand most banks don't investigate it so you're saying it's about 10 grand sounds to me like they We're like, yeah, we can't really prove it. We don't really know. Let's just let them go. Just see if we get to buy. Spend more money on resources, try to figure everything out.

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you know, you know, they'll probably lose a lot of customers just hearing that itself. And especially the banks we worked with and they wouldn't, they don't want to lose Wells Fargo. I mean, at least the local one there or any other little banks we worked with, America State Bank, Citizen State Bank, Walmart, right, because they could always go to the carrier service like Brings or Garda. And, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's why they did what they did. And also because they didn't have no real proof also. Just make sure I had to make sure everything was legit and there's no, I mean,

it wasn't legit, but I had to make sure that if I was to do this, that I wouldn't be caught in some way. But as Jack, you were saying yesterday, you know, there's that one little slip up or whatever could have caught me. So what did you think was going to happen? They were never going to catch it or? I knew eventually something would happen though, but it got me, did I do that cycle well. who's really keeping count on the Bitcoin machines

who's really looking over those you know it's they doesn't only have cameras on them or anything like that yeah but you knew at some point that the owners of the Bitcoin machines were going to realize that we've transferred

$100,000 in the last six months and we've only collected $90,000 like there's 10 grand missing here there. I mean, I had to know they were figured out at one pole. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they did. And plus, I was gone. I was gone. Uh, because when we, when you, if you got COVID, it was a mandatory 14 days, you had to stay home. I don't remember. You remember that kind of that era? Yeah. Uh, so I had those two weeks off and then, uh, I was still sick. I was still sick going in Miami. I was like, I felt like shit that old time. I really

didn't even get to enjoy that much. My ex did though. Uh, but yeah, it was like a good four weeks until I came back and by that time they had it all figured out and I was pretty nervous don't get me don't get me wrong uh especially going in there and uh just having that feeling what's what's over your what's on your shoulders you know all that weight and stuff so that's why it makes me think I don't know how the hell you got away the thoughts about you did it's like I got away with this measly 10 10 gs it's like you got away with like multi-million it's like I couldn't even imagine yeah well I figure they figured out sooner or later um the way you're now uh what am i doing now uh what am i doing now i'm still doing that

staying in the i'm just trying you know try not to be as greedy as much you know because i never had any problems my life but just taking as much as i didn't need you know taking stuff that wasn't mine i never really took from people i always took from multi billion dollar corporations like walmart or you know just no places like that when i was younger uh you just place like that when i was younger stuff like that though um but yeah just doing security you know just sticking myself mostly uh still have no felonies on my record or nothing like that so i still have my firearm license and everything so i want to try to take care of that that may realize you know i could have lost a lot going to prison you know for that i'm pretty sure that be a federal charge so um i'm pretty sure it would be yeah

that's what i'm saying so it's it's a blessing that i got out of there i'm thinking i'm real thankful for it too uh i just try to turn my life around you know i quit smoking cigarettes and my cousin. But then I was smoked at least a pack a day and that's also dip also. So I was like, I don't know. I'll do out of those. I do these little, these little faves right here and some of us all that don't have little nicotine in it. This size like 2%. But it's, it's real convenient. And so I, you know, turn my life around for the good, you know, got rid of toxic relationship. Well, like I didn't have a choice. Like she just up and left one day. So I'm like, this is the, uh, the fake, the fake boobs check? Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. It's like,

Like, man, I was like, at least time I'm, let me get my press bag, man. Yeah. Like, those are like five dollars. It's like four thousand. Yeah. So we could have went to Dallas. He had done cheaper. Um, okay.

But yeah. All right. Yeah, it's pretty interesting story. It's not the best story though, but, you know, as far as, you know, it gives a little insight of, you know, how things work with the courier service. Right. I don't know. I'm sorry good.

I just wanted to tell you that story. And pretty much, I haven't really. told anyone that whole story. Y'all think, yeah, you're pretty much, yeah, you are besides my eggs, even though she didn't probably really get the whole asset of her, her not understanding English that well, but you're pretty much, you are the only one I really told the whole story from beginning to end. So, it's good people telling you that story.

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