Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Ex Fraudster Breaks Down Modern Real Estate Scams

Episode Date: August 16, 2023

Ex Fraudster Breaks Down Modern Real Estate Scams

I think the biggest, like, hall that I had in the morning taking off, I think I was sitting on about, I want to say close to 1.5 mil. I went into the store one day to check one of them, and this lady, she was, asked me about it. She was like, you think you give my money back? I was like, I just got scammed for $5,000, you know, because apparently she sent it to someone for some care package or one at another. I was like, yeah, I have no control of that. And there this whole time I'll talk there. I'm, like, opening the machine and taking her money out that she just put in there a couple hours before. I'm, like, felt so bad about that.

I'm like, I was there to monitor this ATM and to monitor me. Only thing that's really watching me are the cameras inside the convenience store itself. And most of these convenience stores, they would have, like, fake cameras, dummy cameras, as I call them. A whole day, I'm just sitting there were live right on my chest. I was like, man, there's like, man, there's a 10 racks right here. There's a man, I don't know what I'm going to do with it. It's like all these other things I was thinking about doing with it. And then, um,

Hey, this is Matt Cox and I am going to be interviewing Justin. He is a former Loomis, um, employee. They, so you've got Brinks, Loomis. You have, uh, Garda. You have these, uh, companies that move, transfer money, uh, through. financial institutions and we're going to be talking about various types of things that happen in those depositories and on routes and how money sometimes the money comes comes up missing and we're going to get into it we're going to talk about a particular heist and so I appreciate

you watching check it out where are you now where are you where are you raised oh I was I was born here in the West Texas I don't want to name the particular town okay obvious obvious reasons I was born to my father, my mother. They were like a medium kind of household, not too wealthy, not too poor. I guess you would say, just right in the middle, mediocre. Right. I lived here pretty much the majority of my life. Been all the way up to high school, graduated, went to college, got a degree.

After that, really just started balancing and doing security work here around the West Texas area. Okay. So how did you end up being a, what do you guys call yourself even? You're not really a security guard, right? You're a, we're a carrier service. Carrier service. How did you end up working for a carrier service? Well, after the many years of doing security and all that, you kind of got a better resume to do it. So I just signed on one day. I did an application online. There's the big hiring process. They go and take your fingerprints and, and, Basically, everything to where something was to happen, the government has all your information. So you have a concealed weapons permit? I do. It's called a CHL here in Texas, concealed handgun license. But as of November 20, either it was 2020 or 2021, they made it an open carry state. So you can carry without a license.

You still had to have more to two. Well, you still have to do a background check to buy a weapon also. So, but not anyone just, can just go and buy one though, but it's good to have one. But when you get your security license, when you get your level three, it's automatically in there for you to carry it on the job. So that's why I got moved up so quickly also. Or as far as the handguns license, yeah. So you put, you, you put an application in for Jeff Loomis or? Yeah, that's the only one that looked decent at the time as far as like vehicles.

was because Brings is like in the it's kind of like in the ghetto part of town and their vehicles aren't that good plus their one-man team which is outrageous just which crazy actually I don't know how they let them do that though but um uh guard of their vans just weren't secure at all like the back in of their vehicles one of the doors was uh has a little hinge lock to where you like pull it up and then slide it back you can slide it back like a hotel lock right And I was on the outside of the truck, keeping the door closed. It was ridiculous. But let me just look like a good company that worked for.

Yeah, they're the, and they called me. And I kept calling him just to see if I can hurry up and get on because I needed a job at the time, not realizing what I was getting myself into. Well, okay, what? So you got hired and what happened? I mean, you showed up the first day. Yeah, I got hired, did the whole process of, you know, getting the physical. physical and background and drug tests, all that, all that passed it all. I went up for my first day, learned how to drop the truck, came in about two days later, did class, training, and all

that stuff. And less than two weeks, I was on the truck driving. I drove for about another week, week and a half, and I got moved to carrier. And usually you'd have to be there for at least six months for you to even be considered a carrier and those are messenger those are the people that go inside and pick up the cash or deposits or anything like that they're basically the boss of the truck it's a big a lot of responsibilities too uh so i was i was for all honored to do that so we're off the bat but the one thing that happened was i got resentment for pretty much from all the other people that worked there that's been there longer i mean there's people that were there for a year or two and they still haven't been able to be a messenger just because

I don't know they just had an initiative to do it but uh I got a lot of resentment for that and pretty much I just stayed by myself after that because I could see how someone could turn on you in the matter of minutes or days just because something is so simple like you know being able to have your uh to be able to be a messenger so fast it's it's ridiculous like okay so what are the different roles in the in the that whole operation like i've actually written i wrote a story i don't know if you read that story that i wrote um it's called cash logistics it's all my website but you know i had interviewed i know you contacted me um after i interviewed the guy with the um the brakes heist yeah yeah that's the one i was actually watching right now

the man behind the largest bank robbery right so um you contact me after that and i think on that show i mentioned that i had written a story about a guy named uh jamar who had set up a brinks heist and uh so i mean i kind of know that how it works but i mean can you you know like what are the different positions as far as brinks they uh they're the driver and the messenger which is actually pretty dangerous. That's what makes me think. I don't know how these companies can get away with that. What about Loomis?

How does that work? Loomis, there's two guys. And as far as the truck layout is, it's a big F-650, I think it's an F-650 converted into an armored truck, I believe so. F-6-50 converted to armor truck, bulletproof glass, sophisticated cameras on the inside of when they had cameras at the front with the driver.

and then they had cameras in the bag with me and the cameras pointing out the front of the truck to one on each side and one in the back so and they're always 24-7 recording from the time you turn that truck on even after you get by the time you get back it doesn't shut off for like another four hours or something like that

always recording they're so sophisticated that if I was driving and I had one of these earbuds in right here it could tell that I had a earbud in my ear and I was being distracted by that And so it's sent back, you know, information to my supervisor saying, well, this is what he's doing wrong. And pretty much people can get rid enough for that. So as far as getting away with stuff, it was real difficult to do that. Let's discuss how the cameras work.

But the driver, he's in there, a majority of the time, unless he has to go to use the bathroom. And then he has to ask me to, if he can go use the bathroom, of course, go let him. I'll hop in the front seat because there has to be someone in the truck. driver's seat at all times um and they do send out supervisors to go watch you to make sure you're doing a job and they'll send them out 100 200 miles out you know to watch see if you're doing it correctly uh so uh after that uh where was i i was like yeah so there's my position the carrier or the messenger as you would say we'd be responsible for collecting the cash go inside uh convenience stores,

especially ATMs, banks. Also, we go into like little outlet stores and get their cash also. Their deposits in Walmarts also. We did a lot of work with Walmarts. We'd bring down change.

I mean, you go in there and you, what, you flash your badge and say, hey, because they've called you to come pick up money, right? So they're expecting you.

Yes, pretty much. And they already know, they have a set schedule of when we're supposed to arrive. And there's, actually been fraudulent people try to act as Loomis before you probably look it up and find a couple videos about it but he just had like a little vest on didn't say Loomis on and no ID badge but whenever

we would go of course we'd have our D badge and it'd be like on a lanyard that you just pull down and you know if you if you had said Loomis on your vest it it looked pretty legit and plus I got along with everyone so they always knew they are like well look Loomis is here be like what they call me that man that's not my name so it's like It's like, you know, Scott, they get along with everyone to get on their good side. So, yeah, we'd go get their cash and then bring it back in the truck to we scan it in, bring it back in the truck, put it in the bin, go on to the next row from about 6 in the morning to about, yeah, I usually get home around 9, 10 o'clock at night if I went out of town.

So we got a full day. Six, some from 6 a.m. Yes. until nine at night. Yeah, just about sometimes later, but a 15 hour a day. Well, my route, uh, we had to draw three hours out of town. So it was, there was the drive that sucked the most. But all during that, on the way outside of town, we'd stop by little places,

like little convenience stores and stuff like that to pick up their cash or whatever, or cell phone, come, uh, places, T-Mobile. Uh, so on the way up there, we do that. And sometimes, some places, they wouldn't even have deposits for us. They'd be like, oh, we don't have anything. All right, cool. under the next and I just had like this long list of places we got to stop at so the whole time I'm routing route which was the best because they won't always be the same like in order so it's like all right so where do we need to be at at this time we've got to be at this bank at this time so we got to do these these routes efficiently I had to plan them all out kind of like in a route planner and see what's the fastest ones to take complete all those um their clinish ATMs would take a while especially with the non of especially the ATMs that's that had multi currencies in them like fives and tens and twenties like Wells Fargo is like one of the

biggest ATMs we worked for because we would go when each each Wells Fargo took that I think it was close I think it was close to $250,000 in an ATM yes that's including that's included hundreds 20s or hundreds 50s 20s and tens uh yeah I don't think they used five's but uh I could be mistaken though so you know when we have these little cassettes that we take out of the ATM and uh take them back to the truck take the money take the old money out put them in the bag scan it because we print out receipts for everything so we know how much is in the bag and um uh the course the driver's watching you at all times whenever he got he's uh he he chose position the truck closest as he can from door to door uh if even if it's taking up handicapped spots they would do that even though one of our

guy's got a ticket for that one time, which is crazy, though. But anyways, that's a different kind of story. But we replaced the ATMs, and yeah, about $2,000 $50,000 worth would go into those ATMs. And then as I go back in the truck, onto the next one. And sometimes we'd have, like, four or five ATMs to replenish. And I think the biggest, like, haul that I had in the morning taking off, I think I was sitting on about, I want to say close to 1.5 mil. That's that you picked up all together.

That's what I started out with in the day. That's what I had to deliver and replenish also. Because my much would take you a lot of money. The own depot would get a lot of money. So we had all these drop-offs. And also there's one picture I sent you of the big one. They have a bunch of ones we took off to the strip club. And that was, I think, I believe that was $100,000 worth.

He built some of the nations. largest banks had of an estimated $55 million because 50 million wasn't enough and 60 million seemed excessive he is the most interesting man in the world I don't typically commit crimes but when I do it's bank fraud stay greedy my friends support the channel joint Matthew Cox's Patreon I took pride in that job man but over time is give too stressful and you know as far as you know Christmas coming around the corner uh bills are piling up and uh they were treating us correctly because we were getting paid as much as a regular cook was getting paid at the time i'm not i'm not dogging out cooks or anything but i could

have gone and i love food so i could have gone but he could and you paid the same as i paid to be the carrier uh it was it's like i think like 1625 or something like that an hour uh which is ridiculous now that i think about it um how long did you work there close to a year uh started around my birthday actually got it written down right here uh oh yeah started on my birthday that's what i just started on my birthday that's one that's one thing i remember to try to remember about it it's like even though i forget about it uh yeah around the time of my birthday i'm going to say it was my birthday but you know around march 5th of 21 okay and then

I worked with them all through the year through the summer learned how everything went and it just got repetitive after a while then we got to a point to where when I was sitting in the back of the truck you can see my leg propped up on one of those pictures that

I was just looking at it one morning you know it's just making me sick to my stomach was looking at just looking at it because people get their heads chopped off of that for that paper yeah if you think about it that way which is crazy but then I had to go back

well you got a job to do and get back in that motion And be like, all right, let's, let's get this day done with. So I got to that point where I was like, man, I'm getting tired. Did, I mean, did you ever hear about, you know, money just showing up missing or? Um, not really. If I'd never really bothered to ask around. There's, I've heard some things, but I always been that kind of guy that's kept to myself.

And like, I'm the more like the guy that sits in the back of the room and watches and listen to everyone else. But with that job, I just wanted to get my job done and go home. Uh, even with the truck driver, you know, I was like, we were, get a new driver, be like if I'm an ass if I'm come off as an asshole or something, they'll take it personally. You know, that's what I'd be telling him through the pain glass window and he's like, no, it's all good. The next

day, he's not even showing up. That's how stressful it was getting. Like, and at the end of the day, I apologize to him, but I'm like, man, I'm sorry if I came off as an asshole and stuff like that, you know, it's just a bunch of numbers and stuff and then people just, after a while, I don't know what got to me

the most. I think it's just because I don't know, I was working so much. and uh yeah paid i'm pretty sure i could have got paid way better than i was well so well what do you guys make it was uh i started off at 15 an hour but by the time i was getting uh by the time i left it was 16 50 an hour and do you get more than 40 hours a week oh most definitely uh i would clear at least close to 1200 every two weeks Um, so, okay, so I'm saying 40 hours a week, do you work more than 40 hours a week? Most definitely. I at least, yeah. I hit 40 hours by my, I want to say by my third and a half day, fourth day on, I might, I work at what?

16, 60, 70 hours a week? Yes, pretty much. Uh, at the very minimum, about 58 hours at the minimum. At the minimum, at the minimum. I was just saying because the guy that I had talked to was that I wrote the story about like he was telling me about money just showing up missing like guys would they would scan the bags as they come in like you know they give you pick up the deposits and you scan the bag he's like he's like you have a scanner you have a little device you scan it in and he said then at the end of the day you come back and you give them you scan like here's what I've got they then scan them in. He said, and every once in a while, somebody would show up and there'd be one missing. I was like, that's where I kind of had a problem with that story, because it goes back to like how sophisticated the trucks are. Um, and also, and this was probably 10 years, 10 or more years ago when his, his thing happened. Oh, okay, 10 years. Okay, them, the, they don't already to have the most sophisticated cameras. I could see that happening back then, but when I was there, there's no way that possible. That's only to get, get away with that now.

but as far as money coming up missing no not really um which comes to uh you know here in town we have brinks uh they got they got robbed and actually that just looked like a setup all in one you know it's just no one's gonna know like you know hey let's go rob this brinks dude you know he's armed him by himself as like and plus like the way that it was on camera and everything it just looked It looked totally funny. If you look up the town, I'll tell you the town later and look up Brinks, you'll find the video. But I don't think that guy was ever caught.

So what happened? I mean, you don't work here anymore. Right. So basically, after a while, it was just getting too overwhelming for me. And then we started working with these during my time, it was like six months in we started working with these Bitcoin machines that they have at convenience stores

and it basically turns your cash into cryptocurrency you can send it to your wallet or you send it to other people and it's also basically a way to wash or I guess yeah wash your money I guess they call it basically turning you know drug wanting it to

yeah money laundering like laundry your like laundry your crypto into cash or your crypto into cash right so pretty much and you know over times especially down going down south there's a lot of them

and it's something you really notice like if you're going to a convenience store unless you're actually looking for it and so we started working with them and then we're going through the I guess it's something that just barely started happening so they give us an information on a little scanner and say

give us the pass code for that for that ATM so we go and put the pass code in open it up well first it shows the screen how much is in there and then if there's anything in there you open it up clear it or you clear it then open it up take whatever's out of there and put it in one of those bags as like i was talking about uh scan it in on the little i was just get it in you put in the amount

on your little palm it was like a like a zebra scanner that you'd probably see someone have at walmart uh you scan it and then uh put the how much was in there and then just throw it in the truck roll out um yeah that's what we started working with a lot and like i said 90% of the time there'd be nothing in them. So I wasn't too sure who was the boss or who was the supervisor for all those ATMs. I try to look it up or see who manages them all, but I couldn't find anything about them. So probably, I don't know if they still do this. There used to be a business opportunity scam where you could buy ATM machines.

They can. You can buy ATM machines as far as like, let's say, there's some game rooms here. They buy them from, I forgot who they buy them from, but you can buy regular ATMs, but as far as buying Bitcoin machine ATMs, I don't know anything about that.

I never heard about buying Bitcoin machines. I don't know. There was one where you could, basically you could buy them and then you could go put them in convenience stores in different places and load them and, you know, you charge whatever,

$3.50 for every transaction or whatever it was. Well, yeah, right I understand what you're saying uh yeah there I'm not too sure if you could buy them from but I've heard of people buying them uh buy the ATM and then just putting their own cash in there I'm not too sure how all that works either I'm pretty sure there's some extensive background checking going through that to be to be able to be able to buy an ATM in the first place well I mean they really just yeah I I hear you I don't know I don't know this was a it was a business I knew a guy that was selling the machines like they would sell the machines and they load them with their own cash. and then they tie them into, you know, whatever, however many banks or whatever. And then, you know, you go there and you punch in your PIN number and you get the cash. And then they take the cash from your bank account and they charge you a fee. So, but they were tiny little machines.

They're little, they weren't big, massive ATM machines that were, that were, you know, in a wall or something. These were a little tiny machine. that you could probably put on the dolly and roll out with yeah exactly like they bolt them to the ground but i mean you know honestly i probably take a crowbar and yank them out of the concrete but most of the time too especially when we'd all open them at convenience stores part of the ones you'd see like uh would y'all have y'all have the uh the wawa there in florida yeah like the ones they have the ones they have they're pretty sure those we'll probably have the same ones and um yeah as far as uh selling those I don't know how you'd be able to sell those.

But I never heard of that scam before. I'm going to have to look into that one. Well, I mean, it sounds interesting, though. The, the cryptocurrency ones, like, I can't imagine, like, are those ones that are owned by Bank of America or, you know, like, what are they? I've never even heard of those. See, as far as you guys, is just good as mine. That's the thing.

I never knew who owned those or who would get the money, you know, like, because it's so hush, hush, I guess. Plus, we just barely started working with them. So, you know, we go replenish ATM at a convenience to 7-Eleven. Well, on the top of that 7-Eleven or on top of that ATM, it says, Happy State Bank or America State Bank. Of course, we know where that ATM and that money's coming from. Right.

But on Bitcoin, they never said it didn't have no, like, sponsors. It didn't have nothing saying, like, who the money, who is copyrighted by maybe or trademarks or anything like that. It didn't have anything, even on the ATM itself. It just said Bitcoin. Bitcoin is something, though, but, you know, it's, it didn't say with partnership with so-and-so, nothing like that. Right.

Even on the main screen. So it's kind of weird. So, what happened? Well, all right. So I went into the store one day to check one of them, and this lady, she was, asked me about it. She was like, you think you give my money back? I was like, I just got scammed.

for $5,000, you know, because apparently she sent it to someone for some care package or one or another. I was like, yeah, I have no control of that. And during this whole time, I'm talking to her, I'm, like, opening the machine and taking her money out that she just put in there a couple hours before. I'm, like, felt so bad about that. I'm like, I'm so sorry. Like, you know, it's, yeah, there are scams that go around. It's like, I gave her my contact number to the, to my job. And I was like, you want to try to contact Bitcoin, even though I don't know who you would get in contact with from bitcoin like this doesn't have no phone number on it or anything i was like i don't know how it goes about that and uh so she's just like real

depressed about that i mean i'd be upset too if i just got a scan for $5,000 and it's right there in front of me you know or it's even though like she could have took out a gun and shot me in head and took out of the other thing i had like there's people that kill for less than that and so i kind of thought about that and then after a while i was just thinking about you know Who keeps track this? You know, I was doing the thing, you know, this bank controls this money, you know, I pick up this money from other businesses. They know what they're giving me, so I got to scan them in.

But who really, no one's there to monitor this ATM and to monitor me. Only thing that's really watching me are the cameras inside the convenience store itself. In most of these convenience stores, they would have like fake cameras, dummy cameras, as I call them. and they just have like these blinking red lights and that's how you can know they're their dummy camera they look like those black dome ones you're probably seen right uh i could spot fake ones from a mile away uh i used to install them in a previous job but that was a few years ago but uh the dummy ones they'd have they'd have a like a blink blink in red light and so i always knew if they were fake or not and so i was starting to start thinking i was like man just need to you know you know

planned it out because we'd get like four or five of those in a route a day and like i said 90% of the time there's nothing there's nothing more than a hundred dollars so i was like you know i'm not going to rush anything just see what happens and if when the day happens you know that'll happen sure enough that day didn't it didn't it didn't take long for that day to come it was around christmas time and i just took my chance and you know went to go check out see how much was in there and there was 10,000 in there. And so I was like, yeah, this is my time. So I tell you, I did, well, when I go check those ATMs,

I wouldn't have to, they tell us to carry a bag with us all the time. I don't know for what reason, though. Pretty sure it's a safety reason, but I would never carry one in just to check the ATM because I knew anything I was coming out with something that would be small to put in my vest that I wore. So I always keep spare bags in there also. It's just in case.

So I knew Take anything with me So I went in there Checked it Looked around Spotted with fake cameras Because all the time I started

I started looking out Where the cameras were And like just studying Basically every community store I went into So I went in there And checked it out It said that

I said 10,000 in there USD Open it up To the cassette out And right there on the floor I was just open up the bag Put the cash in there But I never scanned it in

And once you close ATM and clear it doesn't print off no receipts or anything like that so let's put it back in my vest it looked like i just checked the cassette to see if anything was in there uh basically just put the cassette back in i closed it up left uh so just went out through the day and the whole day i'm just like this is like maybe 10 in the morning so the whole day i'm just sitting there right right on my chest right like there's like i was like man there's like oh no right i'm going to do with it it's like all these other things i was thinking about doing with it and then um on the way back there was at the end of the day i was heading back

and i was just sitting there i was like man i'll probably go to prison i'm probably gonna go to prisons for this and because i don't know there's no backing out now because there's cameras in front of me there's cameras all around me there's no going to your car before you go inside when we get there and we were always the last ones there's because we were out of town the far side of town i was like yeah they're got you know they seem to go to my car like they're not going to appreciate that at all they're going to want to know hey what's got to your car uh and like i said this is like i mean a couple days before christmas so uh yeah i just went home took it out well i went to my girlfriend's house and showed her what was that i just told her i got some kind of bonus or whatever

she was from maceco so this she didn't speak that good in english so she just thought i got some kind of bonus i don't know how all that worked out or really i don't remember all that it was basically big like a big haze to me now so uh yeah just said I don't know for a couple weeks, man. Me? Yeah, well, I got sick. They didn't notice? Well, they didn't.

I'm pretty sure at the time they checked everything because before around the time I got that and by the time I came back to work, I was asked. They were like, have you been checking at ATMs? I make sure there's anything in there. I'm like, yeah, I'm making sure to check them all. You know,

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Bring to show how much is in there. They say, check it anyway. So I'll tell him, yeah, I'll check it every time. You know, I played it off real good. And then I got sick around that time after Christmas. I got, I had the flu. And then I got the COVID shot January 1st, 22. And the COVID shot I got apparently, it was like the one that kills people, whatever.

It was the Johnson shot. So I got, it messed me up for like a good week and a half. It messed me up pretty good. And then after that, after I got, that pain went away. Then I got COVID, like, at the very end. I was like, man, that would happen to me. So you got COVID. And then I got over that.

That took a month and a half. On the end of that, on the end of that, that's when I came back to work. And between that time, we went to Miami. So she'd get her breast done. You're wrong now. Yes, at the time. And paid for all that and everything. I'm talking about, like, all the plane tickets, the Uber's.

the food and all that and so it was pretty it's pretty good experience for me especially me never gone up in the fort also like that humidity i don't know forget that you can't do that humidity again but uh they came back um worked for about a week on my second week back uh they took me to the office well they told me to um they're like hey just hold off the manager wants to talk to you the supervisor of the breast supervisor of the building and um uh they were like we have they showed me this video of me not wearing my seatbelt or something like that which i've done almost like every day uh it was policy to wear your seatbelt at all times when the truck's moving law enforcement often questions him not because he's suspected of a crime but because they find him

fascinating he is the most interesting man in the world i don't typically commit crime But when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. I would hardly wear my seatbelt, and then they told me to come in. They showed me a video being not wearing it. He's like, he wants to talk to you about this.

I'm like, all right. I was like, you know, it was just like me. I'm wearing my seatbelt a video of it. I'm like, yeah, there's something else going on here. And so I'll wait for like another hour. Everyone else already left, so I'm just sitting there by myself. bay. You can hear the change machine in the background because they're always just constantly running change and people that go to coin stars and turn their change in. We collect all that

too. Uh, so you just hearing the background, I'm just in there. I was like, probably going to go to prison. I was just, you know, I was thinking to texting my mom and everyone, you know, hey, y'all don't hear from me, you know, because there's no way. If that was that, there's no way I could call anyone and tell them what happened. Um, why? I got it. I couldn't, I couldn't tell them from jail, you know, just because, hey, I'm in jail. I'd have to tell them before, you know. Yeah, and they'd be recording you anyway. If you were trying to talk to him on jail phone, you wouldn't be a good idea to say, hey, I swiped 10 grand. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, I wonder what I should do because by this time, I already spent most of it. Maybe I had

about, maybe like 2,000 or 3,000 left to sit on that. So I couldn't. I was just in there like, you know, I'm just not going to say anything, you know, like I've always done. before in the past, you know, when I got in trouble. Because not out of time, they're bluffing if they say they got, they say this and this and this and as much as I knew, I know they haven't been to every store that I've worked in, especially with these new machines. So I was like, yeah, I was going to, you know, play along with it. I'm going to act like I don't know and just not say anything.

So I just got taken to the back. They're like, you know, in this day or this day, you know, what happened? what it might have happened at this ATM, be like, I don't recall. You know, I used to hear a lot of cops say that when they're in the court. Like, I don't, I don't recall, you know. So that's basically saying, you know, you know, you know, but you don't know pretty much. Like, you know damn well what happened, but Jesus don't want to admit it. Right.

I don't recall. So I was just kept saying that. And then the guy that was, that guy that was talking to me, he used to be a, he used to be some detective for a homeland, not a homeland security, but, Um, is that homeless security of people that work at the airports? Uh, uh, no, T, uh, uh, what is it, um, TSA? TSA, TSA. Well, he's some investigator for them. Um, I guess they'd go and interview people that try to small living, uh, drugs or money or whatever. Right.

He used to, he used to do that in, and, uh, in Miami out of all places, because he had his real thick Cuban accent. And that's where he started out as, and, uh, how ironic that is. Um, but he came up here to work here in west texas and he was interviewed me he's like he just looked at me he's like he's like he was just him in the room i didn't have my gun on me they took it off me and everything you know it's like i didn't i wasn't going to come off of threatening or anything i just sat there like pretty much how i'm now just looking at him kind of got a little smirk on my face not really but i was kind of nervous so that's how i hot it is that you know i'll just kind of like smirk to myself or whatever it looks like i'm smirking or laughing but i'm really not

And so he's like, he's like, Justin, I know what you did. You know, he's like, so, you got, I didn't wear my seatbelt. Yeah, well, yeah, that too. And that was like the third thing, too. He's like, he's like, and you never wear your seatbelt also. And I'm like, yeah, I forget that. See, always chafing me and cut me in my neck and all that. It's like, all this money can't buy new seatbelts.

And like they'd be all frizzy and stuff. So they got cutting in your neck. I'd feel like one of, like one of those seatbelt covers right there. It was ridiculous. All the money they got, they can afford those. and the seats too were uncomfortable as hell it's like riding on a horse all day so basically

he's got him an ultimatum you know I wanted to stay that's fine but if they'd get rid of me eventually and it'd be in the back and that it'd be me leaving in the back of a cop car we didn't say that but he said we all would

make sure I forgot what he said exactly but those are along the lines of it had to still remain professionally either way So as I resigned you know took on my vest They escorted me out And by the I realized I didn't have a I didn't have my ride It was in the shop so as they stripped me of everything I had to even my clothes

So I was like standing there It was so cold I remember it was like 40 degrees that morning And I'm sitting there outside with my I'm sitting there Tany shoes Uh My shorts I had some shorts that I brought with me because I changed them out at the end of the day because my pants would get too

sweaty and whatever. So I put on my shorts and I had a tank top underneath. It was kind of like a tight underarm or shirt. And I'm sitting out there a 40 degree weathered, no jacket or nothing because we had to give us a Loomish jacket. So they took that away. I'm staying there like freezing balls like with the wind blowing. I'm just like, man, I think I just dogged a bull there. So I walked about two miles from my girlfriend's house and tell her what happened and I never heard anything back from at all. So that was, and they basically said like, you know,

you can resign or if you stay, then, you know, you're gonna, we're gonna end up getting you to a, getting you fired. Yeah, some way or another. Because they knew the money was missing,

but they couldn't pinpoint what you'd done. Exactly. Because I never scanned it in or anything like that. And, never scanned it in. and I'm pretty sure they did they only had on their on their end I'm pretty sure they only thing they could probably see is like how much was in there and where it was at but as far as proof that's why I said I was going to not say anything uh because if they know if they'd have

proof on you they're not going to ask you you know you're going to call the cops and they'll come back you exactly so I was like and there's been times where people have got arrested you know just for taking this or that and they don't they don't even tell you they went to the cops to get there and then they'll call you back and then automatically arrest you rather than there. I'm like, I'm pretty sure if I was getting arrested, I'd be in handcuffs right now. Like if... Well, the guy, Jamar had told me about two instances. One was a guy that had worked at the place for, I don't know, whatever, five years, four years,

I forget. And he said, he came in one day and they were scanning in the bags. And Jamar said he was the one scanning the bags. He's like, they have different jobs. He's like, like, you could be a driver or you could be like a messenger. He said, and then you have the guy inside who actually skit, when the, when the crews come back and they, the what? The vault processors. Right, like a process.

He said, so they bring up the bags and you scan all the bags. So he was scanning the bag because they ended up making him like an assistant manager or something. Like they were training them on all the jobs. And so he said, I'm sitting there and I'm scanning in the bags. And he said, I scanned them all in. I looked and he was like, okay, there's 12 bags. He's like, the guy's like, right. and he goes well it says you picked up 13 and he goes no man he said wait a minute and the guy

counted the bags and he goes he sat there he goes hold on a second let me maybe maybe maybe it's in the in the truck hold on goes back to the truck comes back in he said the trucks were all parked inside he's like so he didn't leave my sight he just walked open the door looked around came back he said i don't know and he was and so he was like it was like and he said too it was like 30 or 40 grand he said it was like it wasn't a little money and he said um and the thing is jamar i think he said like he was the only one there at the depository as the guys are coming in he said so he was like okay well go home said he made a note in it in the log book look this 12 showed up 13 were picked up came in with 12 he didn't know what happened so the next day when he got there

they called him in the office called jamar in the office and said what happened he told him what happened he said i don't know what to do this is what happened they were like okay then they talked to the guy and the guy said i don't know it says i picked up 13 bags you know at one place he picked up let's say three bags in one of the places and he said you know it says i picked up three he said but i'm pretty sure i must have only picked up too because maybe i scanned it scanned one of the bag twice and they were like no we called you picked up three he was like i don't know what to tell you and they were like okay he said man listen he's like he kept worked the whole week he said they never said anything and the guy like a whatever a month later

showed up with like a fucking ten thousand dollar motorcycle and just gave him this look like yeah now he said there was another girl he said there was a girl that had done it she'd been working there six months they pulled up in the truck and the girl got out of the truck and went to her car and then came back and walked in and they started scanning bags and she was missing a bag he said but it was obvious she walked to her car. He said, so what they did was they looked at the surveillance cameras, saw that she had brought, had gone back to her car, like had her jacket or something. Put her jacket in person.

And she goes, oh, I just, they said, why did you go back to your car? Because I put my jacket, my purse in my car. And they were like, you were supposed to come straight here. Yeah. And she's like, oh, I'm sorry. I just, I'd been carrying around all day. I just thought I was leaving. I'm, you know, and they were like,

no they called the police the police went to her car and said open your car she opened the car and there was the fucking bag they fired her he said i don't know that she got charged with anything he said i just know she left and like he's like we never saw her again he was but to be honest i don't know that they charged her and his whole thing was he didn't think they charged her because he said i don't think one they recovered the money he was in two he's like like i don't think that they wanted to the publicity of, hey, these guys are walking off with money periodically. And like, you know, you're saying it doesn't really happen that off to be. According to him, he'd only been there like a year or so.

He'd seen it happen twice. Yeah, as far as that, as far as the guy losing one bag, it must have been a smaller branch. As far as him being the only person checking in the bags, because usually when we'd get there, But there'd be like three or four people checking in bags. So it had to have been a smaller branch. The vehicles come in. There's two drivers. There was two drivers in his cruise.

There was a driver and a runner. And he said that they would pull in. It was a big, it was a depository, right? It wasn't, they were moving everything to a bigger, more secure place. Because he said, this was like a warehouse. You know, he said it wasn't super, super secure. And he said that, you know, as the trucks showed up at different times, they would show

up. They'd come. He said, I'd check them in. He said, I'd check them in. He was maybe 20 minutes later, somebody else would show up. Maybe five minutes later, another truck would come in. So he's like, there was never like a line of people there. That sounds like, you know, the other that you mentioned, we're moving for warehouse to a new building, to more secure building. That sounds like the area I worked at. Right. Was this, Jamar Black dude? Yeah.

this was in Palm Beach Oh Palm Beach Yeah Because I know that happened We got before I got there They just barely moved into this new place And they used to kind of have like a warehouse thing It looks like a warehouse thing

It looks like a warehouse big bay door That you had a roll of But this one was real sophisticated That's crazy Man let's talk about that I guess they all got new buildings or whatever But The way we're the way

They put this building is like kind of at the end of town Not in the worst part of town But still I wouldn't I wouldn't want to live over there. Well, but, you know, but it's kind of like yours. Like, it's the same kind of thing where, like, they're like, something happened. Yeah. Like, we can't prove it because the guy, you know, we can't really see where he took.

Plus, it's only 10 grand. You have to think, too, I've known guys that have run bank scams and they never steal more than 10 grand. Like on a fraud, because the problem is if it's less than 10 grand, most banks don't investigate it. So you're saying it's about 10 grand. Sounds to me like they were like, yeah, we can't really prove it. We don't really know. Let's just let them go. Just see if we get to find.

Spend more money on resources, try to figure everything out. Right. And in the end, what does it matter? They're not getting their $10,000 back. Hell no. And then they may get a bunch of bad publicity. That too, because, you know, they're supposed to be like, you know, the top, top one, you know, they're supposed to, they'll probably lose a lot of customers just hearing that itself. and especially the banks we worked with

and they don't want to lose Wells Fargo I mean at least the local one there or any other little banks we worked with America State Bank Citizen State Bank Walmart right because they could always go to the carrier service like Brings or Garda

and yeah I'm pretty sure that's that's why they did what they did and also because they didn't have no real proof also just make sure I had to make sure everything was legit and there's no, I mean, it wasn't legit, but I had to make sure that if I was to do this, that I wouldn't be caught in some way. But as Jack, you were saying yesterday,

you know, there's that one little slip-up or whatever should have caught me. So what did you think was going to happen? They were never going to catch it? I knew eventually something would happen, though, but it got me to do that cycle well. Who's really keeping count on the Bitcoin machines? Who's really looking over those?

you know, it's they don't only have cameras on or anything like that. Yeah, but you knew at some point that the owners of the Bitcoin machines were going to realize that we've transferred, you know,

$100,000 in the last six months and we've only collected $90,000. Like there's 10 grand missing here. I mean, I had to know they were figured out at one pool. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they did. And plus I was gone.

I was gone because when we when you if you got COVID it was a mandatory 14 days you had to stay home I don't remember you remember that kind of that era yeah so I had those two weeks off and then I was still sick I was still sick going Miami I was like I was like shit that old time I really didn't even get to enjoy it that much my ex did though uh but yeah it was like a good four weeks until I came back and by that time they had it all figured out and I was pretty nervous don't get me don't get me wrong uh especially going in there and uh just having that feeling what's what's over your what's on your shoulders you know all that weight and stuff so that's why it makes me think i don't know how the hell

you got away with thoughts about you did it's like i got away with this measly 10 10 gs it's like you got away with like multi millions it's like i couldn't even imagine yeah well i figure they figured out sooner or later um the way you're now uh what am i doing now i'm still doing security uh still doing that standing in the i'm just trying you know try not to be as greedy as much you know because i never had any problems my life but just taking as much as i didn't need you know taking stuff that wasn't mine i never really took from people i always took from multi-billion dollar corporations like Walmart or you know just no place like that when i was younger you just place the stuff like that though um but yeah just doing security you know just sticking

myself mostly uh still have no felonies on my record or nothing like that i So I still have my firearm license and everything. So I want to try to take care of that. That may realize, you know, I could have lost a lot going to prison, you know, for that. I'm pretty sure that would be a federal charge. So I'm pretty sure it would be, yeah. That's what I'm saying. So it's a blessing that I got out of there.

I'm real thankful for it too. I just try to turn my life around. You know, I quit smoking cigarettes and my cousin. But then I was smoking at least a pack a day. And that's also dip also. So I was like I don't know I'll do out of those I do these little faves right here

And some of us all don't have little nicotine in it It just has like 2% But it's it's real convenient And so I've been honest Turn my life around for the good You know got rid of toxic relationship Well Like I didn't have a choice

Like she's just up and left one day So I'm like This is the the fake The fake boobs chick Yeah Yeah pretty much It's like man I was like at least time I'm let me

I get my breast bag man Yeah I mean Like those are like five dollars it's like four thousand yeah so we could have went to dallas he had done cheaper um okay but yeah all right yeah it's pretty pretty interesting story i don't know it's not the best story though but you know as far as you know it gives a little insight of you know how things work with the courier service right yeah i'm sorry good i just wanted to tell you that story and pretty much i haven't really told anyone that that whole story yeah you're you're pretty much yeah you

are besides my eggs even though she didn't probably really get the whole asset of her not understanding english that well you're pretty much you are the only one i really told the whole story from beginning to end so okay people telling telling you that story well all right good time yes sir i appreciate you having me on this podcast yeah you like the video do me a favor hit the thumbs up hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified videos just like this and share the video also when I was locked up. I wrote a whole bunch of true crime stories about guys that I had met in prison. So check out some of the trailers. Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks

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