Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Ex-Gangster Breaks Silence on His Insane Past | Da Panda

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

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Don't think. If you think, you're going to talk yourself out of it. Right. I don't think. I just react. So I punch them right in the face. And eventually it caught up to you. It did.

And as we were leaving, there were like four of them on the side of the sidewalk, I guess, going to their cars. You know, and at that point, I stuck my 9mm out of the window and I let go the entire Mac. I mean, like a van. literally blocks the back of the car and swats like jumping out and literally a helicopter is flying above the Benigans, you know, and it's like full on, like, on me. You know what I mean? I woke up on the ground conscious on the floor, broken, right? I look up, I can see it. It was like around 8 or 9 o'clock in the evening. I see a street lamp, you know, and like I was just,

I was a practicing Georgia Southern Baptist at the time. But this was the day that I lost all religious. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Panda. He's got a true crime story that spans, I don't know, quite a quite a long time. And it's super interesting. He is currently a rapper, entrepreneur, capitalist. And you're going to enjoy the story. I appreciate it.

You guys watching, check it out. And this is about the best we get, you know, I'm okay. I'm going to go. I could do it. Okay. So, all right. So Tyler got us here. Yes.

And you've got the, we've got the soda. Thank you, Tyler for the soda. All right. And so let's, you know, what we were talking earlier. I know about the story. But I mean, I typically, I don't know if you've ever watched any of the episodes or not. But, you know, I typically like start at like the beginning. And like you were saying.

you know your parents like that that to me is interesting that you know when your parents came here like to me I've been moving across the world to start a new life is that in and of itself is a journey just my parents story alone I think is very interesting of like how they came by it was kind of like Montague Capulet you know families that didn't really see eye to eye with each other my father was from a wealthy family my my mother was from a loving family you know And they were actually not, we weren't allowed to see each other. They kind of like, this was like a secret, you know, rendezvous, secret love, love affair. And it came along.

But then it ended up not working out anyway, you know what I mean? But, yeah. So I was born in 19709. So it was like fairly soon after the Vietnamese War. The Vietnam War ended in 1975. my dad was a part of the military over there and like my mom was forbidden to even see him but he would like sneak away and they would have their their little rendezvous and then I happen when you say the okay so the so basically they were like fleeing do they

were they fleeing communism or well at that time they were still like dealing with the aftermath of it okay right like my dad's family was from a very well- family and they basically just took everything. Yeah, I was going to say that's not going to work out well. Yeah, you just went down to zero. So they were just trying to figure out a way to survive because I mean, they were going in there just basically Merkin, everybody, I mean, you know, you're the losing side. It's kind of like that's how war is, you know, the winning side takes the spoils.

So my dad escaped first to America when I was conceived, right? And so then after I was born, he had already made it to America, and then he sponsored us. So then me and my mom escaped on a boat when I was six months old. I picked up by a Chinese fishing boat, and I was in a refugee camp in Thailand, so I was probably about one and a half years old before I finally made it to America. So we were in a refugee camp for a year. Then we made it to America. Soon after that, my sister was born. Okay.

So I have a younger sister, two years younger than me. but then about when my sister turned one my parents split so my mom where do they relocate to that like did they hit californians stay there here in georgia oh well we're here in tampa but yeah they were so they came to alana wow like they went all the way across the country well i think yeah because i think my dad was sponsored through a church okay so he got here uh and and i guess it was based here in alana Okay. So he was over here working in a, you know, Chinese restaurant as a dishwasher, you know. And when we got here, you know, we were living very poor, you know, Section 8, you know, and very low income.

And then, you know, I'm really kind of, you know, my mom and my dad's, because the family's always had beef, you know. So there were a lot of members of my dad's family that were already over here that already didn't like my mom. So my mom was already like, you know what, screw this. And she walked out on him with $500 in her pocket and me and one arm, you know, not in a country she didn't know without knowing the language, you know, but so, but my father actually raises my sister. So I have a sister, but we literally were raised completely separate, you know. So my childhood was basically, you know, poor. My mom worked two jobs during the day, sold purses at night, you know. So I'm on the street.

Like, I remember coming home from school, kindergarten by myself, like, you know, first grade. Like that's key kid. Yeah, you know, I just basically learn how to take care of myself, you know. And it wasn't like my father wasn't around. Like, you know, I would still see him. I knew his my father, but it was on like a visitational, but I would see him once a month for a weekend or my sister would come down once a month for a weekend or something like that. But he wasn't really there as a father figure, you know. So, I mean, where did I?

Where was I out? I was in the streets, you know, and being in the streets and then, you know, all black impoverished neighborhood, you know, we were looked at as food, you know, picked on or beaten up. So, you know, me and my buddies that I made that were also Asian, you know, just decided that we're just not going to be prey, you know, so we banded together and, you know, and that's, those were my, those became my brothers. Those became my, my father figures. And we had each other's back i would i would kind of compare it to like you know like a navy seal unit you know you got to trust that this guy behind you is going to be looking back there so that you can't because you can't look back

there right you know so these guys became my brothers you know and uh we took care of each other is this like like an established gang or you're saying no this is like eight or nine of us or is this like a no this is definitely an established gang we were uh bloods okay and we were bloods at a time that bloods wasn't little wayne wasn't a blood yes you know but you know so in georgia most of the african americans were black gangster disciples you know and so we chose to rival that you know and plus we're not black you know so we chose to rival that so that you know a lot of the confrontations we got into were with a lot of black people you know until we earned our own respect you know that they and and respect comes very easy i even tell my kids i was like you know

once you are in the fight you won because it doesn't matter what the outcome of that fight is the fact that you're willing to be in it automatically means you won because you just earned that respect that they know that he'll go he's going to go it's just not going to come easy it's just you know it's it's not going to happen like that you know so that that's what we that's what i had to do day and day out but my whole life is like that you know have always been like earning respect you know well were there any i mean only because i've i've researched uh for another story where like were there any triads in atlantic or they mostly in new york and and california the triads are very very small population chinatown here the china town in alana is very very small

so uh the the the Asian gangs that usually would see would be like either the third world countries there'll be the vintamese the cambodians the laos the laos gangs right and and we networked with each other as well you know because sometimes we needed a band together as well um but uh yeah we didn't really run into a lot of the triads like that um yeah i'm just curious because i mean i know that their concentration isn't is in like l a i'm sorry is in california and new york but i was just wondering right and plus i mean the difference with the triads too the triads basically kind of like just went over their own people like the like you know like these tongs they would like basically feed off of their own people you know they would extort from

Chinatown you know they're not going out there extort doing extortion on Walmart you know what I mean no so like but with us we didn't have that so literally we had to kind of carve out our own niche you know what was that uh well we we also had like uh we did some some extortion too as well. But it was like, you know, burglaries, robberies, stealing cars. And this is how old are you? I was like 14, 13 years old. I mean, I probably was familiar with a gun in my hand by the age of 12, you know. Like I said, like my juvenile record was probably like 30, 40 burglaries that they finally decide to just condense into just one when I turned the day after I turned 17 and was charged as an adult, you know? And,

that it was just, it was extensive, you know? And it was, it was kind of like sloppy, you know what I mean? It was like smashing grab. We would literally take a snitch hammer to the front of a business, run in there and grab a stuff. I mean, we were not really coming up on like some really, really big money, you know what I mean? But it was the fact that like, you know, where young kids and, and I was going to say, listen, eight VCRs at, you know, 50 bucks a piece split between a few guys is 150 bucks a piece. You know what I'm saying? $150 to a 14 year old is.

a lot of money. It absolutely was. And the thing is funny is because, like, my crew, my crew would literally go to Church's chicken, get an eight-piece box, and each person would get a piece of chicken and a bowl of rice. And that's how we would, you know, we would some of our money together. And 8-P. Box, Churches chickens back then was like $5.99, you know, and we could feed the old crew. But, but definitely, yeah, we were drugs. Even in Atlanta now, I mean, if you go looking up the line of like, hey, the bot from the user going on, who he gets it from, he gets it from. Somewhere on that line,

somebody's going to deal with a slant eye person. Right. You know what I mean? Because in Georgia, they're coming in at the top. Right. You know what I mean? So, and I know lots of them, like a lot of black guys that I know. Like, yeah, man, my plug is, I fucks with you Asian guys.

You know what I said? You know, but as an Asian, I always felt like, You know, they say the term model minority or whatever. With white people, I feel like we're tolerated. You know, we're looking at as like non-threatening, right? Right. And with black folks, we look at it as easy victims, you know? So to me, it was always kind of like a fitting in.

So really, we just fit in with each other, you know? Yeah, I was going to say, like, whenever I think of, you know, Asian, you know, crime. I always, like, I don't think of smash and grabs. I think of more sophisticated crimes because a lot, I mean, it won't, that's, look, let me back to it. That's not necessarily true. It's more, more complicated crimes. Like, they'll go, like, I did a whole research thing, like, on, on an Asian crime group,

and it was a, they were triads, it was a member of the triad. And, I mean, it was, they were staking out. out computer chip manufacturing plants staking them out they're getting all the employees they've got they've got when they come they go they go the shifts how many employees are there they'd watch it for a week or so and then they'd come in zip tie everybody steal 10,000 you know computer chips put them on a couple of vans that they'd rented move them and then go sell them for two million dollars like these were big time well you're also saying the triads right so we're you know we talked and very organized yeah organized that's maybe that's better example of organized resources as

well right whereas we are literally a street gang you know like uh our our our organization was not like as defined and as right and you're young yeah we're young we didn't have that like you know chain of command like like like it was now definitely you know we had our respect and that's the only thing that nobody could take from us. Well, that's also kind of what you were, you were going for too. You're trying not to be a victim. That's all it is. It's trying not to be a victim.

But in that, to do not be one, you had to earn the respect. Right. So it was like an every day of earning that. So it was just kind of like a little different. And plus, you know, with the Chinese that, you know, they, they, they, they, they're within their community, you know. We are not. We are an outsider within a community, you know.

Right. They, they are the leaders or the, the fear of their community, whereas we are, we're not, we're, we are, we are just one corner of a community that really doesn't, isn't even ruled by us, you know, I mean, honestly, I mean, let's be honest. I mean, the, the projects are ruled by the African Americans, you know what I mean? It's just that we weren't going to be victims of it. Right. But if you didn't group together, then you guys are prey because you're walking around by yourself and so you need to be a group. Yeah, we had to have, it's, you're Yes. They was going to say, we interviewed a guy yesterday with the, um. The New York guy? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they were, because they were all that was a, it was it, it was like you said, it was an

organized, um, Chinese run, um, group that was stealing cars, you know, and working with other, they're not just working with just Chinese. Like they're, they're branching out to black guys to, you know, um, to other, uh, Asians. to Hispanic guys, like whoever, they're branching out and taking the cars and then shipping them back to China. It was super interesting. No, there's no difference than the regular Chinese now who like they're manufacturing now. Vietnam does most manufacturing for China. Right. You thought Chinese labor was cheap. Enemy's labor is even cheaper. You know what I mean? So, you know, they're very smart in that way, you know. Chinese people definitely know how to

use other not i wouldn't even just say chinese i would just say first world Asians yeah and and it's funny because a buddy in mind he's Korean like he hates black people but he his all his business is feeds off of them like he makes go girls and he you know like you know he feeds off of them to for his income but internally he he hates them right you know what I mean and it's like um but yet they understand like hey this is where the money is this is how to get it and they're just they're just they're still going to deal with who they have to deal with they're not saying no we'll only deal with our kind they're saying I'll deal with anybody as long as I make money that's the thing about like like China like China's extremely

capitalist oh yeah at this point you know no doubt you know it's under the guise of communism you know but really they're they're they're definitely running a capitalist system I mean even the Vietnam War, I believe, was all based off of heroin. I mean, a lot of people have all these political views about it. But if you talk to the people in Vietnam, you know, they talk about the Golden Triangle. Yeah. The Golden Triangle basically... To fund the war somehow.

Right. Well, the Golden Triangle basically was the area that was fertile for opium. Right. You know? And the Chinese wanted South Vietnam's land, you know? And that, you know, export. you know or export import you know they wanted that product and because south vietnam was a french province you know a french um territory i guess so they backed up the north to take over you know and then

america steps in to back up the french you know and then all hell breaks lose and you know and you know and you know politically they say this and this and that but technically i mean it is i'm going to say isn't it funny it's funny like all all these wars that are going on these micro wars these you know proxy wars that are going like like it's they've been going on forever they're never going to stop they're always going to be going on it's just never you know there is no like world war one was like the war to end all wars it was the last you know war it was going to stop bro like 25 years later they're fighting again they're fighting another war here that another it's never going to well the problem with it is I always said that

like, you know, Genghis Khan, Hitler, Napoleon, all these guys, Alexander the Grey, had they were able to take over the entire world and really just conquered the world, we would all be under one government. We wouldn't have missiles to point to anybody because we would all be one.

So nobody was, the failure in humanity is that we developed the technology to destroy ourselves before we were able to ban as a species. I think that's that's my say you know because had we had let's say hitler one even though that sounds atrocious you know what I mean like god of course I wouldn't want that but let's say Hitler won then the entire globe would just be Germany yeah and yeah the government would suck but it would be one government we wouldn't be sitting there fighting against each other because they would

we would just be against each other you know what I mean it would probably some civil things but it's still all in one government you know and that's the problem now is you're dealing with all these feelings and you know helping this person out and helping this country and it's just too many countries getting in other people's business

is what it is. A lot of times it's like why is America even there? You know what I mean? Why was America even in Vietnam? You know, like one of the statistics for Vietnam for the Vietnamese wars there was more American soldiers lost in the Vietnam War than World War I, World War II and the Korean War combined.

You know, for what? or this little strip of land that you have like no care about you know what i mean like why were you even there you know um but you know a lot of things about that even like opens my mind because i'm from south vietnam so i'm considered like you know i've always kind of held like some kind of resentment to the north you oh you always felt like they took over but in the history books over there hoche men which was the leader of the north you know he's he's in their history books like he's like a hero yeah you know what i mean well the victors write yeah he he he really he really he That's what I'm saying.

It's all about perspective, right? And wouldn't I be, as a Benmi's person, shouldn't I be like, hey, you know what? I should be proud that I come from a lineage of warriors that took down America. Like, who else did? Look at all the resources of, you know, Russia and China and Japan. They could take down America. But yet this itty-bitty, little-bitty country took them down. Because why?

Because they didn't believe in rules. I mean, they did like fucked up shit. Don't even wrong. He's tying sticks a dynamite to an 8 year old kid. That's some that's a fucked up shit. You know what I mean? But that's where the term guerrilla warfare came from. Yeah.

Did you ever see, I mean, I know we're getting off topic. Full metal jacket. No, I was thinking apocalypse now. No, I've never seen it. Have you ever? Cole, I know, I'm not even talked to Colby. I know, oh, you've got to see Apocalypse now. Like, it's just brutal.

Marlon Brando, right? Marlon Branden. And at the end, he talks about what convinced him that he had to start, basically he had to take on the war himself and stop being confined by the guidelines that America was imposing on him to fight that war. And what convinced him of it was they'd gone into, the Americans had gone into a village and they'd vaccinated what they thought was a good thing. We're going to vaccinate all the children.

and the Vietnamese came in I want to say it was the Vietnamese they came in and they chopped the arms off of all of the children that had been vaccinated you know because they get him vaccination and he said

when we came back a week later there was a pile like a three four foot pile of hundreds of little baby arms they said little baby arms and he said I knew right then the discipline that it took to chop those children's arms off, we could never win if we continue to fight based on the, based on the parameters that were being put on us.

And so he took his own group of Vietnamese and they started fighting their own guerrilla war. And now the United States sends somebody in there to kill him, even though he's being effective. So. Because you have to fight fire with fire. Right. And the Americans, they wouldn't do it. They couldn't do it. That's the problem is that Americans were stuck with rules of engagement. Right. And, okay, for example, like the Ho Chi Men Trail. Right. You everybody's heard of the Hocuman Trail. The Hoceman Trail was how the North got their supplies into the South. Right. And the U.S. with, I mean, with like, Napalm, and I mean, it was all the things about this Hohman Trail. But if you look at the Hoceman Trail, the Hoceman Trail

actually goes into Cambodia, goes into Laos, because North Vietnam didn't give a fuck about these invisible lines that like, you know, and if you actually looked at the supplies, they're literally in plain sight, but it's in Cambodia. So the U.S. can't go in there and blow up that supply depot. Yeah, you're fighting with rule. You're fighting, you're constraining yourself with rules and the other party doesn't have any. Doesn't have. You're not going to rule. Well, I mean, and it's always been known that Ho Chi Minh was a big fan of like the art of war. You know, he was a real big studier of the art war and he understood his enemy. I mean, even do you know what the art of war is sin sue man uh was a uh you know whether he's uh was a

was a real uh japanese japanese chinese chinese chinese general like there i i've seen things that like what they think he some of them think he was real some think it's a combination of a couple different people and he wrote the book called the art of war which honestly like to this day they use they still use it's got these really simple principles like you've heard divide and conquer divine and conquer is sincere. Yeah. If you're if you're a large you know if what is it if you're equally matched fight

if you're not equally matched evade if you're more if you're larger than your enemy you know fight like he's got all these rules if you're small be nimble if you're large but he's all these different rules for the art of war and people use it in business

and he actually looks at it like like a chess set like a chess board right I mean you do have sacrificial ponds. That kid holding that a stick of dynamite is a sacrificial pawn to him. You know what I mean? It's just a weapon to use to destroy this tank. Right.

Now, and they understood propaganda. Like, you know, during Vietnam, they would broadcast the North would broadcast on a radio for black soldiers saying, this is not your war. We're not here to fight you. Look at the people. They're putting you guys

on the front lines. They don't care about your life. They're trying to separate They know there's a, there's a problem there. Separate them. Divide and conquer. Yeah. Divide and conquer, right? And it's, I mean, even it goes down to the very last day, which is the, the Tet Offensive.

Everybody is the Tet Offensive. Now, Thut is how you pronounce it. That means New Year's, right? So the whole thing about the Tet Offensive was the U.S. wanted to have a ceasefire with the North. So they were going to have like this. Hey, we're going to have this big because it's a very big thing. Thut in Vietnam was a very big thing. And they totally didn't see it coming.

Right. They were like, hey, we're going to shake hands, sign this document that we're going to have this ceasefire that this day we're going to celebrate and everybody and everybody's going to be good. So guess what? The American soldiers went out there and got drunk and hammered and, you know, thinking it's a free day. The North comes rolling in in tanks right on, right on that. Overwhelming. Like, which is just one base after another is being overwhelmed. Right. Overrun. This one's overrun. This one's. And then it becomes a cascade effect. Like you just can't stop how many. Right. And that's the day that the U.S. had to pull. pull out. And it's just like, why would you even like honor a document from a guy that signs it that literally was top of Dynamite 108 year old kid? You know, like, what would make you believe that what anything that this guy says? He's not. He's using anything. He understands that he's going up against, it's like Mike Tyson's punch out. You know, your little Mac up there trying to fight Mike Tyson. You know what I mean? He is going to use any and every opportunity

that he can to get one leg up. You know what I mean? I was going to say you had, you had a Hitler, which had consistently broken agreements. And then you have Chamberlain comes in, who was the, he was like the prime minister of England. He comes in, signs a document with Hitler promising, like, hey, we're going to have peace.

And there he's like, absolutely, absolutely. He's broken every agreement he signed for the last five years. And they're like, they come back and they're like, the the the the english are hailing him as like oh you got this signed it's great it's wonderful and even he knew like this is bullshit like this guy's never going to and within months he invades uh he he invades um within months i think he no i think he already had done that so i think it was within months he invaded uh um france okay you know so it was like i mean it's just like this like why would you ever honor any any handshake or any deal with your enemy well maybe you could but with somebody who's consistently proven he will not hold his it'd be like signing an agreement with Putin like you're you're consistently lying to us and not honoring your agreement like you so it's like how do you deal with a bully bullies only they only

respect strength it really kind of goes back to the exact same thing of forming a small gang why because these people won't respect me without strength right because I could fight every day by myself and I'll get that little bit of respect, but if you don't ever get some wins in there, you know what I mean? Right. You're still going to be looked at as a victim, right? So, I mean, yeah, I mean, they came over and they took over. So, like, my parents had to deal with the aftermath of that, you know, like literally

taints coming in and this, this is no longer your home, you know, like you're out on the street. And so there was a lot of people who escaped and there were political refugees. And a lot of countries, the Vietnamese people were actually dispersed very, very, you know, globally all over the world I think France took in a whole there are a lot of Vietnamese people in France because France felt like it was

you know it was their former colony right yeah it was the former colony right and that's how there's a lot of Catholicism in Vietnamese culture because the French brought in Catholicism to to South Vietnam and also a lot of French culture with

the ice coffee and and things like that the bignets and and where you have to watch apocalypse now I'm so fucking disappointed I'm going to send you the trailer I know the movie I definitely I definitely will

You would love the movie I never know that it was about the Vietnam War though I just knew that Ron Brando I'm the most positive it's about the Vietnam War I hope it's not about the Korean War No I feel like it's about the Vietnam War It has to be because Vietnam War is when it's like When you're talking about like the atrocities

You know what I mean like talking about crazy They're talking about Cambodia in it And it's it's got to be Because Cambodia was run by the Cameroos too By the time like they were definitely it's definitely it's definitely Vietnam. Is it Vietnam? Okay, it's Vietnam. I knew it. Okay, got me second

guessing myself. And then also like you got to look at like the soldiers like how do you, how can you pick out your enemy and your ally when they both look exactly the same? You can't like you know what I mean? Like so a kid comes running towards your tank. Is that an innocent kid? Or

is that kid's trap with dynamite? Now you have to make that decision, right? Now you're forever going to have to live with blowing a little eight year old kids head off. Right. You know, you have to live with that. You know what I mean? And that's why these Venomies... Hey, so what did you want to talk about? Well, I want to tell you

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Like, so do they feel like, woohoo? Like, they might be like, yeah, great. Now we have to rebuild our entire country. Like, they're in a different spot. Yeah. The great thing about the U.S. is just where we're located. Yeah. You know, I mean, you're literally separated by the Atlantic and the Pacific.

It's not that easy to kind of reach out and touch us. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? When Japan did Borough, Pearl Harbor, that was kind of really the first time somebody ever reached out and touched it and look how we responded to that. You know what I mean? Like, honestly, if they would have just knew North Vietnam the very first time, and they would probably end it just that quickly too, you know?

But, yeah, like, that's why everybody feels so some type of way about 9-11 because that's somebody reaching out and touching us. us on our ground like and you know I was I was actually in prison when the news of 9-11 broke out I remember that I was in my little computer class you know because internet wasn't really even out like that back then but I was saying and first saw the the first plane hit and we thought I was I thought it was an accident you know what I mean and then it was going out and I could remember even as prisoners how angry we were you know like people were like dude like screw this, you know, I'll put it, put a gun, man, let's go. I will go to war right now.

You put me on the front lines, you know what I mean? Like, you know, a lot of people hate Americans, but I always say you hate us because you, because you ain't us. And I've gotten a lot of perspective over all the years. Don't get me wrong. I love an, I'm an American. I represent America. I'm a citizen. I'm a citizen, you know, I represent this country, you know, but, Yeah, so I was, I was, I was very angry about that when that went down. So, um, let's go, let's get back to, so did you, you ended up, you were talking about burglaries and stuff. Right.

And eventually it caught up to you. It did. It caught up to me, like I said, the day after I turned 17 and in Georgia, uh, the, at 17 years old, you're considered as an adult. Okay. So technically, I couldn't even buy cigarettes yet, but I could be tried as an adult. Right. So, but they kind of gave me a slap on the rip. They kind of combined it at all and gave me this the 90 day boot camp thing, which I went to West Georgia boot camp, which is like a prison boot camp. You're not like an actual like military, but it's run in a very military style. Right. You know, we exercise and marched and all that stuff. So I did. I did that. I got out 90 days. Right. But then I went right back into doing exactly what I was doing before. You know, I was gang members still. And now I'm a little bit older. You know? So I just got right back into that again. And, you know, living the life of, you know, hustling, you know, selling drugs, a little small money here and there. There's nothing like big and organized. But the funny thing you had mentioned about those cars, we at one of my, one of my members actually went out and visited a friend in New Jersey. And he came back with the master key to, they were Camry's, Toyota.

of Camrys back in my native 6th Camry. And you could stick this key into the Camry and it would unlock any Camry and it would work in the initial. So we just made copies of the keys. So literally, whenever we needed a ride to go somewhere, we would go walk to a parking lot, look for Camry, and we would be gone. It was just, and we were bad about it. We were literally playing bumper cars with these things. Like, we didn't care about these cars. But I remember that one of my buddies end up getting incarcerated with one right and in there there there was he came across like some kind of like they took them down to like the i guess what they say they take you into the precinct or whatever for questioning and he came across the paper that they said that the number two car that's

both stolen in georgia happened to be telling you that that's that's exactly what the guy yesterday said that that said he said like he had like three cars that were like you know they weren't super expensive but he said there's tons of them so they always need parts so their people are stealing them and they're easy to steal he said they're not difficult to steal so yeah he said that was the number one when we got that that was a game changer for us because before then we had to do the dent puller and all that I don't know how you you ever like like hot wire you know you see the hot wire in the cars and all that well basically what you do is you know what a dent puller is it's what the device that you twist and you can yank out the dents in the car right and like it would it would have like a little nail right you could screw into it it and then you pop that den out right well you would screw in that nail right into the ignition switch and you basically just pop the whole entire ignition out and from there you could work your magic to start a call what was the guy what is it you remember the guy we interviewed that he he was doing they were doing it in new york and he had a name for that the the ignition whatever pop pop pop he said you snap it right out and that well it was the dent puller process

what it was we called exactly what it was you know the the the thing that, believe it or not, the thing that would deviate us the most was the club. You remember the stupid club, but we're a steel in a wheel club? If a car had a steel wheel club on it, you were safe. I had a buddy who broke into a guy's car who had a club, and he brought, he brought, like a saw. Yeah, it was a saw, but it was a, like a hacksaw. Hacksal, thank you.

It's a little tiny hacksaw, not a big one, but you know, you can get them where they grip. Right. Where they grip the thing in it. So you're actually, it looks like a saw. Yeah. Had a couple of ways and he said it was I think it was a Corvette. He said, I'm sitting out there sawing and sawing and I'm halfway through the saw is the guy comes out of the house, runs out and just pulling on the door.

He said, and I go, what did you do? He's like, I kept sawing. I'm like, what do you mean? He said, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? Oh, you got to get through this thing? What am I going to do? Oh, you got me?

Open the door. He says, this fucking guy is huge. So he said, he said, so I mean, I was making progress. I'm sure that thing when I took like half an hour to get through this. He said, finally, he's like, because the guy, like, ran in the garage. You can tell he's calling the police. I snap it. I boom, I start the car.

He jumps on the fucking hood. He's like, he said, look, if he had grabbed like a hammer and smashed the window, he was, but it was his car. He's like, so he backs out with the guy on the fucking thing. He starts driving. He stops a couple times. Officially the guy comes off, gets off the hood. He takes off. And he's like, I fucking, he's like, I've been so scared in my entire life.

And, you know, believe it on a side note of that is just, even if we didn't take the cars, you know how many like firearms and things like that that we got from glove compartment stereo equipment like just things these are these are ways that we were making money as as as young little kids right I mean and like I said we we robbed we rob people right I mean people that we knew that like dealt with like cash businesses or dope you know what I mean and for you to do that you know that you got to be prepared yeah they got to be prepared yeah they They probably have a gun.

You got to be prepared, you know. But, yeah, we were known to, we were, we were pretty bad back then. You know, how did that? What, what happened? So how old were you at this point? Like, this is after high school, right? This has got to be. No, I joined my gang when I was probably about like 12.

No, no. I mean, after you went, you went to prison. You did the boot camp. I did the boot camp. I came out of the boot camp. Got out. You said you were still a knucklehead. You're still doing crazy.

all that stuff out there doing all that stuff and then what happened which leads into my second time i get incarcerated so my gang or my crew where they were going down to florida for the weekend to to party or whatever and three of us couldn't go and one reason i couldn't go is because i was still under probation off the other stuff so like uh i think four of us stayed behind and they told us like look hey don't go to the clubs don't go out you guys are only a few of you guys here you know what i mean but you know back then we I felt like I was invisible and if you're telling me not to go somewhere it means I'm scared and I'm not going to be scared to go out right you know what I mean so what and and back then in Atlanta the Asian culture wasn't like as fused as it is now like now like

now when we go to the clubs there's a mix of all kinds of races in the year ago white people have people Asian people everything but back then they used to have what we're called Asian parties so people would rent out a venue and throw a party just for Asian people right so but this is where the gangs would converge right so then i remember went to club soul was down in midtown Atlanta and it was just four of us you know and we went in and there was an altercation within within the club right and you know we threw down in the club uh got out and got went to the car and as we were driving away is who's the altercation with a rival gang okay yeah it was and it's not you in the altercation is somebody else within your gang

well with one of us is all of us right right so uh one of us got into a fight in there so we all got into a fight right in the club right and then after that we you know got kicked out so we got to the car and as we were leaving there were like four of them on the side of the sidewalk i guess going to their cars you know and at that point i stuck my nine millimeter out of the window and i let go the entire mag right uh unfortunately for me uh there was a police in the vicinity so there was a police on the scene within three minutes of the because he heard the gunshots right you know so it was a police on scene within three minutes so there was an APP out for a red Honda Civic within like five minutes we made it maybe

four blocks away you know what I mean uh and come to find out that they were like stopping any hot red hon any red car but there were other people that got guns drawn on them that had nothing doing anything but anyway like we got pulled over and literally surrounded by like probably like 15 cop car. And you didn't get rid of the gun. You've got the gun. No, we absolutely did get rid of it. Oh, okay.

You know, we did get rid of it. But like I said, completely surrounded. I mean, guns drawn and like, you know, hands up and getting down and all that jazz. And so then they put us in the car and then they took me right back to the scene of the crime because there were still some people there. At the time, I didn't know if I had hidden anybody yet. Right. I was wondering.

But I did. You know, but there are other ones that didn't that were still there. Did you hit one person? I hit one person. Okay. Three times. Oh, okay. So he was already sent to the hospital.

But the remaining people there were like, yes, they ID me. So immediately I go to Atlanta City Jail, you know, me and everybody that was in the car with me, you know. So then from there, that was the stint of my second. Now, Atlanta City Jail is a completely different ball. game because now you're talking this is this inner city of alana this is like this acdc ac dc atlanta city detention center i guess yeah i remember looking out my window and i could see magic city which is one of the yeah it's like a tall tall building yeah i was there obviously yeah you're familiar right well i was in the the marshals holdover area so it's just for the fed so oh okay well no

i went into you know they obviously no bond on that charge uh so they they take me into Atlanta city jail but then they ended up having to bound my case over the superior court because they couldn't handle it in the city because it was such a bigger more serious crime yeah so this is when i go to fulton county jail right now pholent county jail is everybody knows it has rye street right now rye street it was probably the toughest time i had to spend because rice street had seven floors have you heard of rye street remember yeah i have been in ac dc like it these are rough places right Because you're dealing with, these are like the ghettos. Like in Atlanta, you're talking, everybody in there is always, it's not even about what gang

you're from. It's like where you're from. I'm from Fourth War Boulevard, Mechanicsville, Perry Home, Carverhomes. These are all projects, you know, mechanicsville is where T.I came from, you know. So in there, that's, they were reping where their neighborhood was. Right. You know, but either way, all those neighborhoods didn't have Asian people in it. You know what I mean?

And plus, I'm kind of outside because my hood is more college park. So I'm, I'm in Clayton counties where my hood is. So I'm not even in like my, my stomping ground, I guess you would say. So Rice Street at that time, I think they've changed it now. But back then, Rice Street had seven floors. So the top floor was like the hole, right? The sixth floor was where you're a PC or like, I guess at the time, transgender people, stuff that people need to protection we go to. And then the fifth floor was like the Thunderdome.

The fifth floor was the violent crime. crime floor and then it worked its way on down you know and you're there for attempted murder i'm there for attempted murder so i am on the fifth floor and i'm in i'm it i'm telling you i crazy as shit like i'm literally sitting here watching the news and on the news it was i remember it's the dd and there was this couple this guy and a girl who like killed some girl some lady and chopped off her head and they found the body could never find the head right and i'm watching this on the news the door pops open and fucking ddd walks in you know I'm just like wow now the thing is you know like I said Asians we're looked at as by black people

as victims you know so I probably got into more altercations in the time that I spent on that fifth floor of Rice Street than I have my entire life as a gangbanger in the years I spent in prison afterwards you know what I mean like that kind of is really where I learned how to fight because I was constantly having to prove myself I could remember like the first week in there I went to a store call right so the officers at the door of handing out store I make a $50 store call I'm walking

back to to my room with my bag and his name was Jones big tall guy came up to him and was like hey let me get that and I was like oh you're hungry you want a honey bun I'm still a little green around the ears you know I put my bag down and he's like no I want that whole thing

now my whole thing is I gotta do it's like this don't think if you think you're going to talk yourself out of it right i don't think i just react so i punch him right in the face you know what i mean his buddy kicks me in the back i go into the fetal position they're stomping me out officers at the door still passing house store call right you know what i mean it's called we call the goldfish bowl they had like a little tower up top they sat that they could look down there was like six different uh units yeah that they could look down on you know and like it was like nobody does you know that buy up their place and bets you know um but yeah that was like my first understanding of like you know hey this is going to have to be a regular

thing because because being that a fact that it was a county jail i mean it was like a revolving door you know like people were getting sentenced and and moving out so new people were coming in so do people come in immediately see victim you know what i mean i'm i'm constantly of him. I mean, I at least got to one to two fights a week. Now, I can remember one guy that definitely took me under his wing. It was a Mexican dude. Name was a Montana, right? And he was a golden glove boxer. And he came up to me and was like, hey, man, you know, you want to like work out and try to teach you some things like that. You know what I mean? I guess he kind of felt bad. Maybe I was just getting my ass kicked a little too much. Because back then as a game

where you thought you really knew how to fight, but you're just really not, you're just really try and throw punches with no kind of really technique to it. Right. You know what I mean? But like I said if you're willing to fight the you won right because at least you chose you're not scared but then he started showing me boxing moves you know like we would take the matches roll it up put in the pillowcase and hold it and start showing me how to stand and you know i'm doing it just as an exercise thing but then as i'm fighting i noticed that like it's just started to come naturally with it and i'm starting to get better you know so i really really learned how to fight then because I would tell you, growing up as a game banger, I'm fighting other boys.

Right. It's completely different game when you're fighting a grown-ass man as a young boy yourself. You know what I'm saying? It's a completely different ballgame. You know what I mean? And everyone you have to take seriously. You know, and then even after the fight, you're still living with this guy still. You still got to kind of keep your eyes.

It's the worst thing. like you got to kind of learn how to somewhat coexist you earn that respect and then you got to somehow squash it out at some point yeah you know what i mean like like even that guy jones we ended up being really cool like weeks later after you know his shiner went away you know what i mean but he never stole my soul girl for me again right you know what i mean but he probably spreads the word like listen to that dude a fucking swing i mean it wasn't even a spread a word it was literally like in the day room I mean, I didn't even make it back to my room. I was probably about 15 feet away from the door from the store call, you know.

But, you know, it wasn't the last time that my stuff got stolen. Right. You know what I mean? But once again, you got to go out. And it could be over the most, like, simplest thing. I was telling you, you're like, you know, out here we have what is like a man code, right? That we got to live by. You're going to have to, you know, you can treat me with a certain amount of respect as a man, right?

Right. But in there you have the convict code, you know, which is like, you know, stitches get stitches and all that stuff. Right. But it was more like all you had was your respect. So the littlest thing would force you to have to go into an immediate confrontation. Yeah, I was going to say like here like, you know, out here like you're not going to get into a fight if over over a $3 item that that guy over there might have stole or he didn't return. And he says, man, I'm sorry, I lost it. Bro, it's like, fuck, was four bucks, whatever. Well, you've been in, I may be in prison. Oh, yeah.

You'll die. Bro, what are you doing? Like, I can't let you fucking just stole my shit. Because now it makes it looks like anybody else. Anybody's going to do it, right? You can't, you can't do that. And like, even, I don't know about you, but like, one of the biggest thing is you can't reach over my food.

Do not put your hand over my food. Right. Well, okay, so state, you know what I'm saying? State and pens are, they have a lot. A lot of little rules, you know what I'm saying? And some of them, it's like you can't, you can't even do business with like somebody from another race. You can't sit at that table.

Why? Because that's the black guy's table. You can't sit there. Yeah, there's nowhere to sit with you fucking stand. Or you wait until one of the white guys gets up. Or you, like that's in other, like the prisons I were, uh, was that weren't that bad. There was some of it, but it was more laxed. You know what I'm saying?

It's even like cutting line or going to a guy and going, hey, can I jump in line? And the guys would be like, yeah, yeah, that's fine. And then and then you go back and, and, and. you know, some white guy would come to him and say, bro, you just cut line. And I asked the guy, I'll go the fuck. Yeah. Yeah, but the line's 100 people. Like, it'll take me 10 minutes or 20 minutes to be in that line.

They'll go, then you go, wait. You're going to get us in trouble. Yeah. You're going to get us in a problem because you just cut in front of that guy, even if he says it's okay. Well, even if he says okay, but is the other 99 people behind him. Right, right. Exactly.

So, no, you go stand back on the line. Right. Right. I'll give you an example. One of the things I got in a fight with over a lot, was somebody calling me? An Amigo. Hey, Amigo. First of all, I'm not Mexican.

Right. You know what I mean? And it's like, no, no, no, man. It means friend. Second of all, I'm not your friend. You know? And then now at that point, I've kind of laid it down on him. Either he's going to back down and look like, you know.

Like you put him in his place. Right. Or he has to step up to the bat. And if he does, then, hey, I have to step up to the bat. Right. And that's the most trivialist thing to get up. What about people out here saying, bitch oh bitch you're crazy like you know that's like i've never been anywhere with that but

out here they say it like people will say it to each other and it's like son of a bitch that if you call my mom what right that was that was immediate green light stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid thing yeah guys don't fucking get that fights they're going out and they're putting their boots on and going to get it and when they put the boots on what they call it they call it strap up right hey it's time strap up you know over the most trivialist thing but it's because you only have that little bit of shred of respect that you have to like maintain you know and i'm not going to even lie like being an asian in prison you don't think how many people kind of came at me with that fuck game right you know what i'm saying like who wouldn't want to have them a nice little

china doll right you know what i'm saying especially when i'm the only only Asian in the entire camp and it's funny because when i went to that camp uh they they they do their count system by black or white so even if you're mexican your kids said black or white they have right they have on the board how many black inmates have how many white inmates they have right i refused to be labeled and they kept i mean they were on me on me on me on and i was like fuck you i'm not picking if you you if you pick you pick you pick but you're asking me to pick fuck you i'm not picking you know so you know if you go to like the bop and you're looking somebody up it only has like black and white it like there's no Hispanic it's black white

what what's race black white male female that's it that's your choice and it's funny because the day that I got released I went through the outtake and I went past the office and they had like the chalkboard where the white board where they had their count they had black, white and they had a fucking 3M sticky note. Other

other. One. You can finally take that fucking sticky note down motherfucker because that's me. So how long were you I'm sorry. So what happened let's go back to the what happened like what did they come to you

with like you just shot you just hit a guy three times did he like what happened no I hit him I hit him in the leg three times okay okay so I can we kind of jumped around a little bit okay so still die by being shot in the leg by the way right but yeah he did it he did it he showed up he showed up to court in a wheelchair yeah um and that's how they passed on and and indicted me to move me forward but I ended up spending like three years in county waiting to go to to trial where are they offering you are they giving you an offer well I finally got an offer of a 10 to five time served right after so i i didn't even end up going to prison over that charge but you had already done three years you have done three years yes what do you mean 10 to i don't understand

you so it was a 10 to five basically is a 10 year sentence you just serve five of it but you'd already serve three and i already served three so it's basically yeah they let me out straight from county but they paroled me out straight from county basically um so then that happens right so i'm out on the now after this aggravated assault attempted murder right uh back into the same thing you know back meeting with my boys and everything and then this can't can't get right yeah i just couldn't get it took it took a while at any point when you were prison did you think you know what i'm going to get out and i'm working for fedex i'm done i'm going to work for fedex i'm going to deliver packages um um um or you know walmart like did you think we're at any point while you were locked up saying

This sucks. I don't want to do this anymore. Fuck it. I would rather just work, you know, at Walgreens. You know, I'm going to be honest with you. There's no rehabilitation. Right. What it taught me was it taught me how to be a better criminal. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right? Because you're in there with the best. Of course. Right. And it also taught me that I'm not scared of this. Like, I can survive in here. That was the worst for me too. the problem because you now you're not scared of it once you it the unknown was what was scared once you went through it you're like oh no this isn't that much of the deterred yeah like now i don't give a fuck about prison right you know what i you know been there done that you know now when i go to if i ever when i'd rather much rather do prison time than county time because

county fucking sucks the guys the whole time you're in county you're like i there were guys that i kept hearing him say man i just want to get sentenced to go to prison and it was like and i was like, I always thought, well, prison's worse than this, right? And they were like, fuck no. Prison's way better than county. Fuck, yeah. County sucks. I remember a guy was like, he said, you understand that I'll get there in the morning?

That night I'll be eating ice cream. I mean, he was, I'm going to, they're going to count me. I'm going to go walk the track for about an hour or two. I might play handball. That night, I'll have somebody get me an ice cream. I'll be taking a hot shower. And you're sitting there going, like, I want to get sentenced. Like, I want to go to prison.

No, because you know, you're watching these movies. And, you know, of course, I, I myself, I'm not to say that I wasn't, like, nervous about going to prison. You know what I mean? Obviously, I was. You know what I mean? But once you've been down there and you understand and, like, I was a rowdy kid. I was never scared to throw down.

So, like, once you know that, like, you can earn that respect. Yeah, the freedom's down in prison. So much more. Like, you literally get out in the morning. You're out all day, watching TV, gambling. You don't have very little interaction with the police anymore. Yeah, very little interaction. shit with anything so it's kind of like you're you're you're kind of left on your own to kind of do do

do your time you know whereas in county they're so like strict and it's all about control and you know literally in guinette county like you literally only got four hours outside of your room a day so it's 20 hour lockdown you know what i mean like fuck that shit i much rather go out here like send me to Jen pop. You know what I mean? Because I much rather have the freedom and not. And so what? A fight's a fight. What I'm both the hugs at? You know what I was? I was just thinking I was being transferred one time. So I'm being transferred. Like they put you on the bus. They, you know, they ship the Bluebird. We call it the Bluebird. So I got shipped from Coleman. I was going through Atlanta. And you served time in Florida. Yeah. Well, yes. Okay. Well, I mean, I got caught in Nashville.

And so I went from Nashville to like, I think, was it, Alabama. And then they send you through like the Oklahoma City, like the transfer center. I was there for a couple weeks there. I got moved around. But at one point from Coleman, I was going through Atlanta. But they bring the bus. You spend two days here. Then they bring you here, two days here.

Jackson? No, I went to. I remember this was, oh, God, it was a Tallahassee, Florida. But it was so funny as they bring the bus in. right. So there's probably 10 or 12 of us. They give us our bedroll and we're walking to ourselves. And it was late. It was like 10 or 11 o'clock at night. But keep in mind, I've been locked up like nine, 10 years. No, I've been locked up, you know, I think I've been locked up about eight years at this point. So I'd already, I did three years in the medium. I'd been a year in

in the county jail. I was already at the low. So I'm walking with my bedroll and there's a couple of guys behind me. But some of the guys that were around me, like they were still being transferred. They haven't been sentenced. Nothing. They've barely been to even the county jail yet. They've been in a week or two, maybe a couple months. So as we're walking, and we're all from the low. So, but, you know, while we're low security, but these guys got picked up at the, at one of the, um, U.S. Marshal's holdover. So they've really been designated, but they're low guys. So we're walking with the bedroll and we go up on the second tier and we're, you know, the cops were following the cop and he's like, here, you know, Johnson, this is your

room. So, but so as we're walking, this is criminal. These are, these are, these are, these are criminals. The guys, it's 11, 12 o'clock at night. The guys are at the windows. All the doors are locked. The guys are at the windows banging on the windows. Put that one in here. Put that one in fucking huge guys with tattoos. That one. I want him. I want him. And I mean, I swear the guys. Fresh fish. Fresh fish. That fresh fish. Guys behind me and in front of me are like, oh my God. Oh my God. And I go, you guys are fucking with you. We're in a low. This is a low holdover. They're fucking with you. I promise. He's like, oh, I don't think I can do this, man. I don't think. I'm like, it's fine. They're fucking with you.

I can't be here with one of these guys. I can't be. It reminds you of Shawshank Redemption. It does. But they were serious. But they were serious. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The fresh food they're doing the bets. And I'm sitting there like laughing because I'm thinking, I was so fucking. Of course, I was scared when I first got locked up. And I'm sitting there like, you guys, I swear to you, these guys are fucking. These guys are in the holdover. This is a low security. holdover so they're not going to put you you're a low guy they're not going to put you in with someone who's going to rape you or murder you are not at this level now that may happen later

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who's weak you know what I mean this was a little train we were gonna be there for two days you know what I'm saying nobody's getting there's commissaries nobody's there so it wasn't that bad of it and you know and I listen

and I was 100% right like you're right it could have gone the other way but it didn't like as soon as I walked in like you know there was like a the guy like my cell like

you know got up and he was like hey bro what's up man look I got my stuff here hold on let me get my stuff off the bed like he's clearing his stuff off the bed like he's you know

he knows he's like you know he's in transfer to he's like look we got to be in here together like let let's yeah you got you got to be cool with you say yeah because there are times you have to admit so there are times you were in prison and you met some guys that were just off the chain cool guys just oh my squad guys yeah you have to have your your I mean even regardless of a gang or whatever affiliation in prison you got to have like I said those guys that had your back that can look behind you you know where you can't see you know you have to have that close knit a near friends you know who takes care of you

themselves like the Mexicans oh yeah when the Mexicans get there you could be a Mexican go into a unit and you walk in and they're like, yo, bro, where you from? Boom, boom, boom. I got you. I got shower slides for you. I've got soap. I've got like they would have like a whole kit. And sometimes the white guys would do it.

The black guys never really did that for each other that I saw. And sometimes the white guys would do it for each other. They were such a small group. But the Mexicans would take care. I mean, like, bro, give me a list. I'm going to the store tonight. I'll send somebody to get your list. Like, it was like, like they were set up.

us see that comes at a cost oh okay it comes across because now they just grew one more member of their numbers yeah right now that guy owes him expected that guy owes them right so if now somebody if they were to reach out and ask him a favor he would now feel obligated right to do what he's got yeah yeah right so i mean everything comes out of cost you know um you know the one of the big jokes is the and this never happened to me but yeah i've heard stories about you go into prison and there's like a bunch of cake the cakes and stuff like that all on your bed the snickers bar yeah the snicker bars and stuff like that on your bed you might not eat that snickers bar you know what me like you think that's a gift i used to tell the guys would say well what's the difference between the

medium and the low i'd go well i said you know the thing difference is that you know someone puts a fucking snickers bar and you're at a medium don't eat it someone puts a snickers bar on your pillow in the low you can eat it you'll be all right because that dude shows up and you'd be like yeah i I ate the fucking Snickers bar. Fuck you. You don't want to go nowhere. You know what I'm saying? You don't want to fight.

You don't want to this. You know, you're playing around. But that's because you're willing to like, you know. Right. But he might try you like that. It was probably a joke though. Right.

You know what I was saying? Probably. Yeah. Oh, I had, listen, I taught GED and I used to have with Zach. And we used to have a guy that used to bring a Snickers every once in a while. And he'd go, hey, Cox. You know, like this with the Snickers. I mean, cut the fucking shit.

So this went on four or five times for about a two or three Well, now I know who the guy. I kind of know and I realize that he's not doing anything. So one day I once he goes, hey, Cox. And I go, I said, damn, bro, I snatch it up his hand. I open it and I bite it. And he goes, what the fuck, man? Fuck, bro.

Are you serious? You cashed in that wolf ticket. Right. But the first time, like, it was questionable. Yeah, it was fucking with me. Because he's trying you up. He's testing you. Right.

It's all about testing. Right. And seeing where somebody's heart's at. And that's all it is. Like, even like me, like, said as long as you're willing like there's so much easier to go to the next guy who's not going to be willing to buy right then then to even deal with it you know what i mean so like once you once you get known to just like hey this guy's just not going to it's just not going to come easy

then they're going to leave you alone and in prison it was a lot easier in that because the revolving door wasn't as you know my it was it was big the reputation would would be known more it was It just altercations happened because they just happened to happen, not because somebody was intentionally trying to go after me or something like that. You know what I mean? But like, and Wright Street, like I said,

that was like a revolving door. I was like constantly like learning. I mean, I don't think I ever not had a bruise on me at some point in my body at all times, you know? But yeah, like even then, even in prison,

it's like a code. Like, hey, let's take it to the room. There's no need for the police to know about this. So you never want, but you never on that charge, you stood all three years in the county.

which was the hardest time to believe it or not. Yeah. But you were rather than five years in prison, three years in the county. Absolutely. Because like I said that, and it was weird because I was in Rice Street for a year, right? And then they finally came up with a bond for me for that charge. So I was thinking, oh, I'm going to post bond and get out. Well, Gwinnett County still had a hold on me from those burglary charges, right?

So I didn't, I posed a bond and just went straight to another county child. I'm like, well, at least at Gwinnett County, I didn't have to fight. right you know what i mean but i ended up sitting in there for two years till i finally i went out to trial and like but didn't go out trial but we pleaded out and you know i got out yeah that was i was i'm sure you've heard this before that that was a that was my my buddy of zach that was his thing was like he actually had new charges and they gave him a bond but he was on federal probation so his federal probation had been revoked so he's like you know all his whole everybody that knows was like why don't you bond out like it's your bond is nothing he's like don't you understand i'll bond

out and i'll as soon as i walk out the door they'll pick me up and bring me to the federal fucking holdover and i won't bond out like i might as well stay here you know that happens all the time like you've got outstanding warrants they're like bro your bond's 10 grand for a grand you can get out no like if you haven't been through the system you don't know how it works well i we we bought it out because they my family called up to the general say hey does he have any kind of hold on him right they said no right so you did bond out they they posted the bond but then i never made it out because then the whole oh i thought you knew and you want you wanted to be moved no oh okay i mean i'm well you're in you're in i'm gonna fuck what county you know like yeah it sucks that

it was right street all but still well you said the other one was better it wasn't necessarily no not necessarily better because rye street actually yeah i got in a lot of fights but you got free time you opened the doors open in the morning you're out all day you do what the fuck you want want you know what i mean whereas when i count of you're locked down 20 hours a day in your room like i like i said i'd rather be in gen pop yeah you know it's funny how different all the different every facility is different yeah some of them will no commissary and they feed you like shit other ones they feed you good and you've got great commissary and you're out and you're like you know then they've got you know multiple TVs other ones they don't have any TVs and they don't

just like jesus it's it's one extreme to the other yeah some and them won't even barely feed you the um they won't barely feed you enough calories to stay alive and the food is crap and the other ones will feed you great like oh yeah i'll federal prison wasn't horrible it wasn't bad food federal time is actually easier time it's just it's just in state but they don't have the parole is the the suck part of no what the time they want the time they want the time yeah they don't want the time and you're they can send you so far away right which with me they I okay well I get out on the aggravated I attempted murder charge and get back into the same thing against you know and we had recently just robbed some doughboys so I had over a given a thousand ecstasy pills you know and so I got set up by another cover right right away you remember the restaurant Beniggins yeah yeah so this is probably are there still Benignans no but no but back at 2000 there was oh they were everywhere it's like sizzler chilies they're still chilies right

like chilies of beniggins that were like rivals it's almost the same thing right but it is so i i remember that i and the reason was weird because it was uh i got set up by a girl that i bought coke from you know and i'm like she couldn't be something she literally sells shit to me herself you know what i mean but um so like i said it was undercover and i was unloading like a whole bunch of these ecstasy pills and back then they were just excee pills. It was not all the same DMA and all. This happened back in 2000. So I ended up and it was like, we went into the Benegans and he was like, you know, met him up. He was like, all right, let's go out to the car, make the deal, you know? And so we get in the

car and like he's counting out of the money. And the next thing you know, I mean, like a van like literally blocks the back of the car and swats like jumping out and literally a helicopter's lying above the Benigans, you know, and it's like full on, like, on me. You know what I mean? And that's the third time I'm incarcerated for distribution, right? And sell. So then this is when I go back in to count. Is this federal? No. This is still a state, right? So then I decided that's when I would serve my, my third term and my final term, right? But in between that time, was when the incident happened at the TGI Fridays. Ah.

So in between that time, me and three other of my gang members, two of them happened to be brothers, with our girlfriends, where I happened to be eating at TGI Fridays. And the guy that I had shot happened to be eating at the same restaurant. And he saw us, you know, but we never saw him. I never had an idea. He was there.

We were just eating. and like he called up and like literally about 45 minutes into our meal we look outside and like there are like there's a mob out there like 20 20 guys five six cars out there you know and um my guys they tell me like look you're already on parole for the you know the 10 murder like you and your girl need to just get in your car and leave we got this you know what I mean and we're about That's what I'm saying, a band of brothers, man. Like, really, you know what I mean? So we get out and, like, I'm parked, like, over here.

And here's the restaurant. And they're parked, like, right up against the wall the side of the restaurant. Like, my other, my other boys, right? So, like, I'm getting to my car and I'm looking over there. And I can already see them, like, having, exchanging words with the other side. And these guys, they got, like, bats and shit, too, you know? Now, number us. you know, four or five to one, you know.

So I see one of them, like, I guess get close, and then my buddy's older brother swings first. He hits that guy first. I mean, he's a college kid. He's got absolutely no gang affiliation at all. He was just out having dinner with his brothers and a couple of his brother's friends. But in the same breath, these are my little brothers.

Right. And you're not going to sit here and just, I'm not going to stand by and let you guys just, you know, beat them up or whatever it is. So when I saw that happen, I said, screw that shit. I hop out and I'm over there. I'm next to you know I'm fighting for guys. And I, at the time, have a gun on me. But I'm not the type to be like, shoot first.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm okay with like, hey, we could throw hands and I'm okay with that. you know what i mean um but as i'm fighting these four guys i hear gunshots break out you know and i don't really know if it's coming from my side their side you know i start unloading my own shots you know uh after the aftermath of that because after the gun starts going out it's basically everybody clears and they're hopping in their cars and you know everything's going on that i see my my friends older brother on the ground you know and at the time he was still like you know And even at the time, they told me, get the fuck out of here.

When the police arrive, you don't need to fucking be here. Right. You know, like, that's that, that, that love that, you know. So I left. I left. And I actually went straight to the hospital on the Grandad Medical. And, um, because you knew they were going to be coming here way, right? Because, yeah, so I was there.

Uh, and I was also informing family and stuff like that. they're all on the scene, you know, I'm letting people know that, hey, this has happened. He's probably going to be going to go night medical. And at the time, he was still talking and, like, coherent. He had been shot in the stomach. Turns out he had been shot like four or five times, you know. On the transport to the hospital is when he passed. Right.

You know, and the brothers were riding with him in the ambulance. So when the brothers come out of the, I guess, mercy or whatever, like, we could all know that, like, he was gone. You can see it in that face. And it just, it crushed me. Like, their mom was there, father was there. I mean, I just, it destroyed me.

It destroyed me. Because, you know, if it happened to one of us, I mean, we're a casualty of war. Like, we're a part of the game. Like, this is the risk that you take. You know what I mean? but he just he was just a good college kid man like he had no affiliation nothing like that but you know all he did was love and protect his brothers you know what i mean and like yeah it destroyed

it destroyed me you know um so then you know that happens and then like they arrest like 20 of those like because they start telling on each other and all this so they all get incarcerated into guinette county jail right but then they start telling us so they eventually a whole bunch of them get out and they're left with four guys right one guy was the guy that hit him with a bat knocked him down one guy was the one who actually shot him one guy fired rounds but didn't hit him and then I think one guy he was the brother of the other guy I don't remember exactly but they ended up saying okay well y'all four are going to be the ones that we're going to charge with right first degree murder yeah And, you know, it was premeditated because, I mean, literally, y'all sat in a parking lot for like 45 minutes waiting for us to come right with a gun with guns and bats and then all this stuff, you know, and all that. But then, so those guys are, those guys are locked up and like six months later is when I go down with the drug charge, right? So I'm in county jail, in the same county jail with them. But they knew to keep us separated.

Right. So, like, I always had to bounce around because if that had to move one around, they ended up having to move me around. so I never ever got a chance to see any of them the time I was in county and on this trip it didn't take long you know I was in county for like maybe six six months boom trial I mean I took a plea I got sent down to prison you know what I mean so I was in times yet I had a 15 do 10 okay right so I went I went down to prison but it was a drug charge though so at least this one was like a nonviolent so parole came up pretty quick you know but anyway I was I was down in prison I was all the way down in Wheeler, which is like three, four, five hours outside of Atlanta, you

know? And like a year later, the DA comes down to my prison to talk to me, the DA that was doing the murder case on my friends, right? And he was like, you know, we want to bring you back up to county in case we need to call you out as a witness on this murder case, you know? And I was like, you know, that's fine. You can bring me back up there. But you know, if I see any one of these guys want to try to kill him you know he's like no we're going to protect you don't worry about it blah blah blah blah blah blah i'm like okay fine so like a couple weeks later i hop on the blue bird going all way back to county so i get back to county go back in the county cell and everything and then two days later uh we're going out to court so the way they do is they call out the pause they go

stand in line there's a north hall and there's a south hall right right so we're in line the south hall they call us out of court and i look up and like 20 20 guys in front of me, it's one of the four guys. You know, and I'm like, at this time, I don't want to bum rush and tackle them because literally there are like five officers on this hallway pushing us down. It's like, it's not going to really get. I'm not going to even get to them, you know? So then we go down to the crossway, and then they line up the South Hall, just kind of goes

first, and then I'm seeing the other three in front, right? So we're all in this one big line going towards the holding cell to go to court, right? So I'm thinking, okay, any second now, they're about to pull me out of this line and separate me. So they're going into the cell, going into the cell, so you know, I'm in the cell with them. You know, I'm shocked that you were even in the same facility, but I see it, but I've seen it happen so many times.

Right. One guy's on trial and three of the witnesses are in the room with them. Like they're moving them all together. It's like, what are you doing? Like, that's just, yeah, I don't know how they mess this up, but you know, I'm glad that they did, you know. So when the door slammed shut, I stand up. And I'm like, okay, well,

something now motherfuckers you ain't got your guns we can either go four on one or i can go down the line and kick your ass one on one at a time what do you want to fucking do you know and like one of the guys from myself like yo man calm down calm down i was like oh i you know these i consider my brothers was like hey he killed my cousin like this is you know he's like whoa do what you got to do bro you know and the guy that i shot was one of the guys you know and now he he can walk now it wasn't It was like a paralyzing injury or anything. And this is like years later. He was, I remember him sitting on the bench.

And the other guys were sitting there was like, well, bench here, bench here, bench here. You know, and three of them were sitting here. He was sitting here. And I'm in the middle, just monologuing. You know what I mean? And basically, and then I remember he says, it's not that we're scared of you, motherfucker. We don't want to send you to the hospital, you know? And I was like, what?

And I said, walked to him. He stood up. I deck him. And I'm just welling on this guy. So what do you think the other three guys do? They go banging on the fucking door, calling for the police. Right. Help, help, help.

Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie. You know, so they get in there and they yank me off this guy, whatever, you know? And then, like, one of the officers looks on his clipboard and he's like, he sees that I was supposed to be separated. He just slams the fucking flipboard. And I was like, fuck goddamn. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. So whatever, they separate us. Transfer us to the courthouse.

And then at the courthouse, I can see the DA come out. I was like, I will have y'all's fucking job if you cost me this trial. It was gone off on it. I mean, the guy's going to court. He's got a fresh shiner on. You know what I mean? And like so, but they ended up not ever using me in the trial at all. Did they, I was shocked that these guys went to trial.

This is just that like that's, it seems like it seems like the one guy you said that you had shot. Like most likely, if he didn't hit him. with a bat and he didn't shoot at him and he you know what I'm saying either way he's the one that saw you that's why this whole thing is he that's why he's one of the one he saw you he starts calling people so you call these people here to do this to do this like and you're coming with firearms right like yeah you're not coming to maim you know what I mean you're coming with bad this is conspiracy to commit murder yeah you told your buddy's here to kill this guy yeah right you know and and like so like and I I mean, you know, it's

bittersweet, but at least I got at least to put my hands on them. You know what I mean? So what happened? What did they? They all end up getting life sentences. Are you serious? They all get life sentences. They all got life sentences.

And, you know, hearing through the grapevine, I told you Asian motherfuckers out in prison are food. I definitely know two of them are sucking date. You know, the funny things, you know, the term fuck boy. I'll hear you hear the term fuck boy. I don't know about you. The term fuck boy is a prison term. Yeah.

It means something totally different. Totally fucking different in prison. Like somebody called me a fuck boy out here. I feel some type of way about it. You know what I mean? Because a fuck boy is a man. You're not gay, but you're sucking dick. Right.

And you're doing what you got to do because you don't want to get beat up or what the fuck ever. That is a fuck boy. You know what I mean? So like, it's weird that, you know, out here they call like these guys that are like, you know, womanizers, fuck boys, you know? But in prison, that's, that's, I was saying it's like calling somebody a bitch out here is vastly different than being in prison. Oh, yeah, it's extremely, extremely different.

I mean, something like small, like you're sitting on my pillow. Right. Like, we're, or, you know, like, you don't sit on another guy's bed. If you are, you at least say, hey, there's nowhere to sit. Like, where do you want? And guys would be like, hey, you can sit on my bed. Right. But you wouldn't walk in and sit on someone's bed.

Like, because that's the only little piece of property that they have. Right. You have to respect it. Because if not, then nobody else. The mentality is always like, hey. that if you do it everybody else thinks that they're going to be able to do it and it's like the your tea your space in the tv room that's your little piece of real estate even if you're not there don't sit in my chair or don't even sit it like if i take my chair like don't sit in this space

right that can be a problem sometimes guys come and say you're in my space me i'm watching my fucking show yeah i know that's my space why because i've been here for 10 years that's my stay now it's a problem like yeah it's a problem and then now it's a like like who's going to back down right right and so like with me is never back now you know what I mean but yeah I was going to say like to like to me it's funny because like I had been at the low so long like like I had a space and I didn't like I didn't give a shit like I didn't give a shit about I'm saying I didn't give a shit about my space like I was like because I would walk in and I would say and everybody knew me and I'd say hey bro I'm saying oh no no no sorry cops sorry it it's not a big you know

they'd move immediately um you know and then I had other guys in TV room who would say yo bro don't sit there that's cox's space right and then so guy or did you ask him and they'd come and ask me i'd be like you don't have to ask me i know but kinney was there and kitty wouldn't let me sit right he said you would have a problem i'm like oh give a fuck like i'm not that guy right i don't care as long as when i'm coming tonight i'm going to watch my show at seven so you know what you sit there that's fine and then guys would have they would have um contracts you have the guys would have contracts on stuff where like you'd have a contract with someone where he could sit at your space except for this to hold it down almost right and then guys would have contracts

on like food like oh you'd have a contract on like i on tuesdays and thursdays i get your bacon you get my such and such you know i'll give you my hard boiled eggs throughout the whole week oh god i paid a guy two soups every week to wash my underwear right and they'll call it a contract like we got a contract yeah yeah no no i got you i got two weeks he get two soups he washed my underwear I have a guy that rolled my cigarettes. I wasn't very good. In Georgia at a time, you could still smoke in prison. You can't know more now.

But I obviously couldn't afford. They call them Cadillacs if you're out. They're smoking Newport's, you know what I mean? So we had rolled cigarettes. So he would, I think a box, a kite or tops would come with like 30 rolling papers or something like that. So he would roll me 30 cigarettes. And then whatever tobacco was left was what he was allowed to keep for himself.

and he'd have to go get papers on his own you know what i mean but like yeah these guys would clean their room clean your oh yeah absolutely clean the room twice a day or so not twice maybe two three times a week some guys every day yeah um some these guys are super you know i'm i'm very i was very fortunate that my mother was was there for me like uh she i had a consistent $60 a month that got put on my books it was i could depend on it and $60 may not sound like much but like man in prison like yeah yeah yeah it I stretched that out, like I didn't have to hustle for my cigarettes. I didn't have to hustle for things.

You know, I hustled just because I wanted to hustle. Yeah. You know what I mean? I had, you know, I taught the real estate class. So you'd have 40 guys show up. But only about 15 or 20 wanted to actually be there. The other guys wanted to program. And so I'd say, look, you know, bring me, you know, a coffee and two creamers.

And you get a certificate. I'll sign you in. I'll do the test. I'll do everything. It's a hustle. Yeah. And I, everything is a hustle.

Have my, so initially within a week of the beginning of that class, I had at least four months worth of coffee and creamer in my, you know, then you could tell as the, as the classes or as it got towards the end because it was slowly going. And it's funny, I would never run out.

Like before I even ran out, I'm touching my next class. Same thing. It's full again. And remember they called fingers of coffee because they would take a glove and they would put coffee into a, a finger of a glove and tie a glove off that would be one that would be like one pack of coffee so you would sell it by the finger how many fingers of coffees is you need right you know

so that that's what that was the thing uh also you know the store man you know you know two for three three for five yeah yeah you know what i mean yeah the store man guys run a store that they have their their um locker is a store and so if somebody comes and gets gets like they would give you like whatever you know two honey buns yeah two honey buns and you give them back 300 months that was the deal and you get 300 months 300 bucks you get five for five you know what I mean so that was there that was their hustle was the you know Mike that was here the cocaine yeah Mike Hudson he used to come probably you know once maybe once a month he would run out of coffee he'd come he'd go Matt I I know what do you need

you know I'd go get an envelope and I'd fill up you know it's like two days where like a couple days I go to the store. I'll get you. You don't have to get me back. I'm good. I'd put a bunch of coffee in half an envelope folded up. And see, and I think you were a lot like me in the sense that like, I was just a cool guy. Yeah. Like we said, like our superpower is kind of get people to like you. Right. Yeah. So like they called me China man. Like I was the only China. That was my name. Nobody knows my government name. You know what I mean? Like China man. That's what was my nickname in there. Hey China man. Hey China man. You know what I was saying? And so like I was just that cool guy. And like, I, I could facilitate certain needs kind of like read from

Shawshank Redemption. Right. Like, if you need something, like, hey, I might be able to know somebody that knows somebody. And I, and I pretty much try to stay out of the politics. You know what I mean? Like, that's when you're getting into shit. And luckily for me, I didn't have to because I had my, I had that $60 a month that I could always depend on. You know what I mean? But I mean, Even I ran tattoos in there. I had a little tattoo gun, you know, made out of a cassette tape motor and all that. You know, because back then they were still cassette tapes. We didn't have, I remember the time that I was serving, like, cell phones weren't even out yet.

Like, Internet was brand new. You know, all that stuff was so new that, like, they were still selling because Walkmans on. Now they use the, you know, the electric razor. they use the it's the same little tiny it's the same little tiny it's all you need is that one battery

to go but no the little the little engine thing that spins yeah the motor yeah the little motor it's all you need that motor

you know they take it out and they make a they actually make like a gun that is amazingly like a fucking I mean I can show you like some of my

prison has that it's crap you know what I mean because what it is is they'll take like a a spring off of a like a ball pin

and they light that spring up and stretch it all way back straight again right and then they will take one edge that spring and use the concrete to sharpen it up to a point to you know what they're using coleman they use the uh they guitar guitar guitar string if you could get that in if you could get that in see that was a lot and they get furious because everyone's why a whole one would disappear and they shut the whole guitar they shut the whole you know instrument room down and they yell at everybody and somebody get fired and it doesn't matter we've got enough for about a guitar string is the best because like you're only using certain amount

of pieces of it. So you actually get a whole bunch out. But yeah, but the spring or the guitar spring and they would hook it to that motor and they run it to the top. But the neat thing is how did they come up with the ink, right? The ink was smut. Yeah. You know, they took like basically baby oil, lit it on fire and like encased it with like paper and that ash that came up on that paper. They would scrape off and mix it with like toothpaste or something like that. And that was how they made their I mean it's ingenious like some of these prison guys would do they make wine they make all yeah they fuck do you figure out how they'll make wine they're like they're like artists well what did they call it bomb bays we would call bombay's like uh like hunch punch right

they would make in there you know they would take you know leftover uh peelings from apples and things like that from the from the kitchen or rice or rice or whatever and this is hiding it giving it enough time to ferment and hiding it and then releasing the pressure just enough because it'll like they'll put it in like a jug and then you have to so it it you know expands of course so they have to keep you have to know what the timetable is to be able to go in and keep letting it out a little bit here a little bit if you don't you could be sitting somewhere here boom yep and all of a sudden the the water alcohol lot starts dripping out of the fucking ceiling or wherever you got to hit it yeah i'm assuming that's where he had the had the uh the Bombay right yeah Yeah, and it takes time. But, man, it's ingenious how smart these guys would do things. Like, I could, like, light a cigarette by popping an electrical socket. You know, like a light switch socket.

I'd stick my key behind it, and I'd stick some foil in where the switch is, and I'd run a pencil across that foil, which would spark, and I'd have a little piece of toilet paper with shredded on the end and catch that spark, and that's where I would have my light, and I'd light my cigarette up. You know, I used to get the batteries where they would take... Oh, yeah, the batteries with the two, yeah. So they take, like, let's say you get a potato chip, you know, the potato chip bags, right, that are like, you know, they're shiny inside, right?

They would take them and cut them into a thin strip and they take a little like a, a double A battery and they just, they take it and they say, they touch the ends and that actually lights up. It gets hot. It'll get hot. It'll light up. You don't turn like a live wire and they like their shit. Like, these guys are insane. They're genius. You'd be shocked you.

Like, you're in the shoe and these guys. guys would do the thing where they the what they call the kite the yeah yeah the message like these guys would shoot it underneath the door something heavy and and it and you've got string they take the string out of their thing and they make it from the they take it from their betting yeah and they would sling it and it hit the wall shoot over hit another wall and shoot over and go right in the doorway that's a hundred feet away to the another in the hole you have nothing else to do right so like they want to get a message to that guy over there so the do is they take the string like a thread and they tie it to like a pin cap right like uh just a cap that

you put on a pin and their kite or their note would be within that pin cap right and so then they tie that pin cap and literally they are shooting that cap out and if they don't hit their target they're using the string to pull it back to them to take another shot sometimes they turn on like a domino or something right yeah just anything with some weight yeah they just do this and you're you i would watch my my celly do it And you do it enough times You get really good at it And he'd be like fuck

And this guy This is the kind of guy That would do it three times And he'd hit He'd hit and then in it He'd open up And the note would say Bro I need some coffee

And then that guy would get an envelope Fill it up with coffee Tie it to it And then be like All right And then he'd tug it back Yeah He'd pull

Like you'd be in there With your cell You want some coffee I don't have no coffee You know what Me neither hold on And it would take like It would take like maybe

Five hours To get that note over there But you ain't got shit else To fucking do Yeah Yeah shit else to do why and the other inmates would help like it might shoot into the another and they knew and they knew not to look at the no yeah they knew not to look at the no you shoot it to another if it go because

sometimes you shoot it would literally go like this down and you shoot it into that guy's thing and he he knows he really he's not supposed to look at that no you know what I mean it's kind of like a code you know what I mean you know it's funny the um the COs in the in the shoe uh when they would walk like when I was going to the shoe one time like there were lines all through the hallway. And they'd see the cop coming and all of a sudden they'd start pulling them back in and you'd see all these lines sliding across and sliding in it was like

it's like a spider web in reverse. This is this is happening. Because in there you have no you have nothing but time. Nothing else to do to entertain yourself. If nothing else just getting that note down there entertained you for five hours. Oh and what a feeling of accomplishment. Oh yeah.

God. This is insane. This is my life. That's how low my expectations of like my out of life or it's so low that I'm going to spend three hours trying to fucking, you didn't even want any help. I got you, bro. No, I want to do it. Right.

Or you might just be doing it just to, you know, pass on a message. You know what I mean? Hey, bro, what's up? How are you doing down there? Yeah. That was two hours. There were things that we used to do, you know, what we would do. We would pump toilets, right?

from the toilet and then I could talk to my next door there through the pipeline the toilet so in ACDC the women's dorm was either like above or below and these guys would they get rid of all of it and they would sit there and talk to some girl

three stories above them they're like on a date like guys would be like bro I got a date at seven what yeah yeah there's chick at seven I wish I had that yeah through the toilet yeah I mean It's just ridiculous. How horrible.

And I'm like that too, but the toilet also is a vacuum. So like if you were to be smoking, you could just flush it. You could just blow it down to that toilet and it would suck the smoke right down in there. I mean, it's ingenious. Some of these guys in there are really harsh, if they were, including myself, if they actually took their, you know, their smarts and everything and just push it in the right direction, they could be. would be successful people out here you know what i mean they have all the the the skills to be successful but they're just using it in the wrong avenues yeah uh including like i said including myself you know you say i i you're your your grill with the uh the things so they do you see what

actually do you see what actually says no what is it i can't it's something is it something land panda panda and it says panda and it actually has the panda on the last show You got to show it on this camera right here. And... Go down? There we go. Yeah, they have to get that to get him. Yeah, I was going to say, when I first got locked up,

like I've been locked up, I don't know, like a month or so. And I was in Oklahoma City, going through Oklahoma City. There was this black guy that we were all in this one holding cell, right? And there was a black guy. It was probably 50 guys crammed into a room. probably maybe this size. Yeah. Maybe,

maybe 70 guys. Maybe not quite this big. And I remember this, there's this black guy who clearly was working out and taking steroids. He was massive, right? I've had to find a few of those. Well,

no, I mean, I didn't fight him. I'm just standing there. I'm saying it sucks. Oh. I'm just standing in the room with him. And,

and I glanced over and I thought, fuck this guy's massive. See? And he's standing there. I don't give myself that time to think that because then I'll talk myself out. Well, he's just sitting there, because keep my, most of the people going to the transfer center have, like they've, half of them have been arrested. Either they're going to another prison or they've just been arrested. So you're just sitting there like, you're still kind of like in like just numb.

Yeah. And he's standing there. It takes time to accept the fact that like your situation. Yeah. And so we're just sitting there, you know, waiting to be called. And he and I kind of, I look, look, I just happened to look up at him as he's like kind of, we're both kind of looking around. and he looks over at me and he goes

but I could see his teeth like I'd never seen that before right right and this guy looked like a bigger version of blade and so when he does that when he kind of smiles and I see the teeth

I go holy shit like that and he goes and he laughs he goes then he laughs and I went bro are those really he said

he goes yeah he said they're in there I was like fuck I said you look like a fucking superhero and he just started laughing he's like you start we you could tell he must have just gotten arrested for something he was laughing and and we're just everybody's super quiet like they're quite unless one or two guys might

know each other and they're talking and but it's funny because i've mentioned this before there's an old man there had to be in his 70s or something maybe 80s and he he looks wait sorry the old man says um I go to the restroom and he sees the door and he walks over to the door and grabs the door and it goes and it doesn't open he goes hey they got us locked in here and I and I said

reality check yeah and I went I said yeah it's probably going to be a lot of lot of lock doors like that and the black guy goes what are you here for like that and he goes I just was just my my daughter she's more than my my

granddaughter she's one of those those those lesbians she's gay she's well and uh i was just she asked me to videotape her and her friend yeah and and so you know then they they said we should put it on the uh the internet and so then they came and arrested me yeah and i sat there and i was just like and look the guy like the black guy like looked at me and he goes like what like i was like he would have got beat up right then at that moment yeah well we was you know we were like a transfer center but it was so he we just looked at it. I said, all I could think of

was like, you are so green that you should have known to kept that shit to yourself. You really, that's a bad, like, even though I know you phrased it as best you could, you could put that. You cannot phrase that in any way. Yeah, I mean, it, yeah, I was thinking, you're done. Like, no matter what, you need to learn to shut the fuck up.

If that was the best version he could give, you need to learn to shut the way up. You got to. And you could tell he just, he was just clueless. Yeah, he's an old man. He's like an old man. He didn't fucking know the door was locked. And by the way, there was a toilet like right over here. I was like, bro, there's a toilet over there. Oh, yeah. That's how you, that's how you know who's like really been there like that somebody was not going to waste

wait, they're going to go take a shit. Yeah. They're going to go take a shit. And he's looking around like, well, there's all these people in here. It's like, that's that's going to happen too. No, yeah. I mean, I remember my first time sitting in the old zone and then I remember every, every time after that. You know what I mean? It's definitely, uh, it's definitely different once you've been down there before. But yeah, like, he's. he yeah and it's funny because of the same thing you said like there are people that i knew in prison right that when i got out the internet had now aol this is when you still had dial up and everything like that and i could go on and search the georgia department of questions on

some of these people and like i'm like dude you were fucking bedevil i had no idea you told me some story that you'd beat some kid out of school with a baseball bat you know what i mean like and then it was so intricate story that he told me like i'm thinking you're in there person got to aggravated assault and it turns out you're out they molested little kids It always kills me is that they typically, you know what the lie is? When they ask them, what are you here for? It's, oh, fraud. You got to pick fraud, right?

Like, you can't say drugs or, like, not that anybody's going to believe you were selling drugs. Like, just looking at these guys. It's like, you're not selling drugs. But fraud, you got to go with my crime? Like, and then I would have to be, these guys would ask me to come. And check them. Yeah, they'd say, Cox, that dude here says he's here for fraud. Go talk to him.

I'm like, I don't want to talk to them. Why? And they go, just go, go find out. here's what he's saying and I go fuck that's nothing information is everything everybody wants information well I wouldn't rich as power well I was gonna say I'd walk over and listen like you knew within like you know another drug dealer all right especially if he has no idea if you tried to talk to me about drugs like bro I can't fake it I can't tell you I don't know what that costs I don't know where to get it I can't you see it in a second same thing with the fraud guys I'd walk over

within within three minutes I'm like yeah he's got he had pictures on his computer right and I'm walking away like I said it's done it's done like it's done like it's it's done like it's It's obvious. Like, you know, they would get the names of the charges wrong. They couldn't tell you what they did. They couldn't tell you how they didn't. Or they didn't want to talk about it at all. Like, oh, my lawyer said not to talk about it.

Stop it, bro. Right. That's already tells you something. Yeah. You know, no, these guys that I'm in there, like, they had these stories. They've been telling them that lie for so damn long that they actually probably believe he'd be so. You know, and it was just one. I just kind of randomly, I went on there to look for myself.

Yeah. And then I was like, you know what? Let me just type from some of these guys that I knew. And it was just like, man. And I was like, man, if I don't know, I would have never sit there and talk to you. Like, that is a true thing about that. Like, you know, about rape and, like, molestations, like, on kids and stuff like that. Like, guys don't, they definitely do take that a certain way in prison.

Yeah. Because, like, for example, I knew a cellie that I used to keep pictures of his kids. Right. And then he had noticed his roommate one day would, like, be. like I like you like when guys are in there jacking off whatever you know you know yeah there's a little cold let you know hey I need the room for a little while but he would notice his pictures would be moved like it wouldn't be put back in the exact right spot and that was it bro was he got so bad they wouldn't let you put your pictures

on the cork board you know in your cell you had to keep them in the in the locker yeah we didn't have a cork bar we had a cork you guys got TVs in your in your cells too no I heard Some feds. You got TV? No. I know the food was good. You say, pedd. The food was compared to when I first got there, it was really good.

And then just about a year, well, maybe six months to a year after I got there, they went on what they called the national menu. And so it just immediately got to be much worse. But in comparison to state prison or even what you expect inmates to be served. it wasn't bad there were some exceptional at least once or twice a week you got a meal that you're like damn that's like street food yeah that happened us at christmas right yeah yeah yeah the holiday meal the holiday meal that's the only time we get and i would buy as many of those traces i could you know and then you obviously package you know you get like the holiday package

where they could send you like well no we the feds actually gave us that you get a holiday basket they actually gave you one where they actually gave you food you know and it wasn't so i'm going to say it wasn't like anything a lot it doesn't matter of the fact that you can't have it it's the fact that you can't have it it doesn't matter what it is it's the fact that you cannot have it's the fact that you're giving me something when i'm an inmate in prison you're giving me what's probably 10 dollars worth of of food and it's it and it's all it's i remember this guy uh used to say he's like they're exotics So because it was something they didn't sell on commissary. If they didn't have it on commissary,

I paid probably $15 for a bottle of soy sauce that a guy got transferred over. There's probably $1.99 in the store. At his store at that other camp, because commissaries are different based on where camp you're at. So when you get transferred over, you're bringing your commissary with you. And man, those are exotics. Like, you know, things that you just can't. If you just can't have it, man, that price goes up just like drugs.

Oh, my God. like the the cause of drugs and in prison is as astronomical compared to like the markup so my cousin worked in facilities at coleman and he knew they knew about six months before they were going to go that no more cigarettes like you could have i'm so glad that i didn't but but he knew for six months so what he did not only that he so he went to his boss and said listen they're fucking there's tools everywhere like it's hard to do you know for six months so what he did he stacked up he not only that he so he went to his boss and said listen they're fucking there's tools everywhere. Like, it's hard to keep it in touch. Can I build a board where we can actually put the tools? And he, his, uh, his boss was like, that's a good eye. Yeah, definitely. He's like,

like, like, I need like three of them, like one over here. We can put two here. Can we, we have the stuff. And he's like, yeah. So he built these boards and then traced all the tools. You know, had it really like, oh, they should. That should be. But because if you're going to make something to cover something, you're going to make it look good. But it was framed out in a two by four. And if you remove like four screws, you could peel it back. And he, so now he's got a four inch by six feet by, you know, four feet section that he can stack all of the cigarettes. So he's like, we had, he's like, and keep in mind too, he said initially they were

selling the cigarettes for like almost double. He said within a month and a half, two months, they're buying. Now it's like five times, six times what they were buying them for. So he made, they made thousands. He and I think this guy Weeks that I knew I think they both like Just were stacked stockpilot

That is the hustle now Even when I was in Rice Street It's funny The trustees at Rice Street The guys who brought the trays down Around and stuff like that They were allowed to have Sigris in their commissary

But like other inmates Weren't allowed to have it Right And every time you see the trustees Come around passing out trays I mean they got gold chains on Every ring Every finger has diamond rings on it

Because at Ricey, you were allowed to bring up one piece of jewelry, a watch or a ring or your necklace or whatever like that. And these guys were literally trading out like $10,000 chains, four or five packs of roll up cigarettes. You know what I mean? These guys are nuts. And it's another story. I'll tell you. I was sitting at the holding cell at Atlanta City jail when I was after the murder. And there was a guy in there snuck a snickers.

bar like you said snucked snickers bars to the holding sale right and there was another dude and it was like hey man what did you take for that snickers bar you know and a guy's like no man i don't really want to give it up you know what i'm saying he's like come on man what was you get for that stickers bar right this guy peeled out like a diamond ring a gold chain i'm probably talking about like at least like 15 20 thousand dollars worth of jewelry for that snickers bar and he gave it up for the snickers bar because it's just like what is this going to do for me anymore right now like this might be the last i can't bring it with me they're going to take it from yeah like he's like i'm i want this knickers bar right you know what i mean like like

it's just you're always told the guys that are about they got arrested that know they're about to do 10 years like they just got arrested and they know and the guys that got arrested that think they're going to get out and they're this like they there's priorities are completely yeah and that's what kills me is like you know i'm sitting in all the cell somebody's talking and i'm like you're in there for a fucking goddamn d ur some shit like you're about to be you're about to be home and you're sitting here a crying about this shit and I don't know if I'm going to be in here for the rest of my life for all I know you know what I mean like that also like oh Colby Colby heard me say this I was

sitting at the medium one time and I was complaining about my time I was like I'm fucking be like 60 years old when I get out and they were I was sitting with like three guys and one guy was like I got 30 more years and the other two said I'm never leaving yeah and I remember thinking stop complaining bro nobody gives a fuck about your problems don't tell about time also like when uh the day i when i found out i got parole right i was like nobody knew i don't tell anybody yeah yeah and then they but the day that i left i i walked out handed to my boys on my things like hey man i see you guys that was it yeah like people get jealous people will fuck you up just because they know that like hey you're about to go home and they're not they start

hating on you yeah they start really despising you and trying to get you into trouble and trying to start fights with you and it's like they because this guy's got 10 more years or 15 or 20 or maybe life and he just he just looks at you and you're going home in a week and he hates you for that and he's jealous and it's a real thing it sounds stupid but it's a real thing absolutely and this could this person could even be your friend right you know me it could be a friend of yours that like still feels that way like it's just you just don't tell anybody I don't tell anybody I don't like literally they found out when I was walking out carrying all my shit you know what I mean like you just don't tell people you know Zach and I had a buddy named uh John Gordon that literally

just disappeared one day knew he was being shipped never told and we spent I should you not two years with John Gordon every single day we hung out with him and talked to him and joked with him and super smart guy funny guy like I would have told you 100% we are all good good as good as good of a friend as I am to Zach and John Gordon just disappeared nobody's ever seen him since And I always kind of said like this too, like when you're in prison, it's like you're dead, right? Because time stops for you at that point. All you do in prison is regurgitate stories that you, that you had when you were free, right? Because you're not talking about nothing else.

You're just telling war stories, right? So time for you completely stops. Whereas outside the world, the time's still moving. But you stop maturing too. Yeah, everything stops. You just you're stopped at that point. in your life that is what you are and you do not get any any any better right right and and like when people come to visit you is like I say it's like come and visit a gravestone you know what I mean

until you get out and that's when time starts back for you again like I went in with like pagers when I when pages were around that's when I got locked up I come out and there's dial up internet like I'm telling you I was dial up like imagine me coming out like an iPhone I never an iPhone in my life. Yeah. Yeah. I came out with, like, they had like cell phones.

Yeah. And dial up in her. The amount of porn that I found. Because that's one thing they did take away at prison. They took away all the, all the magazines, right? So that was a hustle. I had several pay.

I didn't have whole magazines. I had pages from, from some. You know what I mean? With the tape over. Was it? Yeah. With that I,

that I would, this is a hustle too. Yeah. You want to borrow my girl. Yeah. It costs you a honey, buddy. You can borrow her to get you your, you're straightening, right? Yeah.

So, like, man, I had masturbates the same girl wrongly on all many times, right? I get out of prison. I'm like, the internet, I don't think I left the computer for a week of that. I mean, it was just, it was crazy. Like, it just blew my mind. The whole internet thing just blew my mind. And that was only like three years. Yes, and I'm only three years because from went from so from pagers and when I got out it was a cell phones and it was right when those Nokia phones were having like everybody everybody has had snake I don't know if you're around during that time the game snake you remember and they had like the different that's when I got out right so like now cell phones were like mobile and text messages all this was all new and you know all I knew was pages but that is now the hot item in prison cell phones yeah like those.

I mean, one cell phone will go for thousands of dollars in prison. You know, but I'm hearing now they're giving out like tablets. Yeah. You know, I think, yeah, they've got tablets out, right? Yeah. And things like that. It's just, it's just different now. But like the tobacco is the big thing.

You know, you know how they're getting it in nowadays? You know, before, you know, the tennis ball or they get it through visitation, right? Or they're an officer. The drones. They're doing the drone drops now. and that's crazy that that's how sophisticated that they have become to override the system to get away get around the system like it's always a way to get around the system you're going to figure something out they're going to figure something out because they have nothing to do but time to think about it right you know what I mean nothing else to do but time to think about it like I mean just like the guy from Shawshank Redemption look how many years it took him from to dig out that hole with that little stupid rock hammer you know we had pressure and pressure in time man I was just I was going to say we were talking when we were talking about like the not being concerned about prison anymore like that's how I feel like now like the prison isn't a deterrent for me was the deterrent for me

is that I'm too old to go back to prison like I'm like I can't lose any more time out here I wouldn't care if I to go to prison for five years like okay fine the problem is now I have to start over so I'm not scared of being in prison I'm scared that I have to start over I'm an old man what am I'm saying like I don't if I was 30 years old right now if I was 30 years old and I would have been twice as bad as I was when I was actually doing my crime. I would have been much more reckless now if I went back in time because I would be thinking going to prison I'm not concerned about because I know I can, I know I'll be okay.

Yeah. So, you know, now it's just time. It's not the, it's not the fear of going or being in there. It's the fear of losing your freedom. Right. The fear of like, hey, like now we have, I don't know how old you were when you were. I was very young. so now I have responsibilities that you know back then I didn't have a responsibility so it was there's no big deal but now I go in who's going to pay the mortgage he's going to take care of my kids like you know they're there they're there they're there ramifications now that are way more important but back then you know I didn't think about those things so how old were you the last time you got out it happened in two I got out in 2003 what did you start doing then like I'm assuming at that point you decided that I can't do this again

Believe it or not, it was kind of like a stroke of luck here. So one of my guys, like you said, your buddies and they're like, you know, your clique, right? One of my guys got out six months after me, right? And his mom was a administrative assistant at a big accounting firm, right? And so they hire people to come in seasonally to help out during tax season, right? So he got me a job. there as a temp that ended up turning into a career a 20 year career like I was actually at a corporate auditor for affordable housing for a top 10 for a top 10 accounting firm for 20 years

you've got multiple felonies that doesn't matter well because you work underneath them well it's actually funny because I I literally lied on my because back then in 2003 it wasn't as easy to run a background check, as it is now. Now it's just, they got companies out there. Like, you know, I couldn't even get hired for Uber. Right. You know what I mean? Like, even though my last crime was like over 20 something years ago, it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? Like, but what happened was I went and it was happened, Katrina happened, right? And after Katrina happened and the Gulf Coast was like annihilated, right? The U.S. government gave Mississippi an a billion dollar grant to fix right to help to rebuild to rebuild so they hired our firm to implement a

process and how to delegate out this money okay right so they sent us to mississippi to oversee these centers that had these people coming in and applying for these grants right so i was i was sent over there for like six months you know overseeing a center so that's a nice chunk of money like relocation you you're you get paid a lot more if you're not necessary no we we did get a little bonus but it wasn't not it wasn't necessarily you know I mean obviously expenses are paid thought it would be like a traveling nurse like these chicks are going from they would be making 60 and now they're making 150,000 yeah no it wasn't nothing like that oh okay but what happened was because it was a government funded program we had run background checks on all the people who

worked there because we hired people that were our locals there we oversaw them But on the back end, they ended up wanting to have to run among us because we had to have the clearance. Right. Right. So then I was like, this is already too late. I had already did the job, right? So I was like, fuck. This was like five, six years in, right?

I'm like, I went to my partner, closed the door. First thing he said to me was like, please don't tell me you're about to quit. And I was like, no, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'll still have a job when I walk out of this door. Right. And I laid my cards on the table. You know what I mean? And it was very like, hush, hush. It was, I worked for two partners.

I was going to say, is this your buddy's mother? No. Oh, she's, she's definitely worked there anymore. She just got you the job. Yeah, she's got a job. This is a partner of the firm. Okay. And so it went from him and my other partner that I worked for to guys.

And then they went to the head managing partner of the Atlanta office, right? And then he had to fly all the way to Bethesda, which is where our corporate headquarters to talk to the partner over HR about it. Because immediately it's their, their, their, their proper way to handle is immediate termination. Right. Right. But they saw that I was an asset.

Because by then you've been working there forever. I worked so hard and I'm an asset. I was bringing, I was bringing that money. So then they were like, you know, they went to talk to her and what all ended up happening was just like, look, us four people know. that's it right we don't ever tell anybody else something we're sweeping on the rug because the reason why is let's say something happens there on the line another guy happens they fire him and he's like yo well what happened to panda why why didn't panic get fired you know what I'm saying like you know

so it was all swept up on the rug so that was like five six year into my career I stayed in it another 15 years you know what I mean right and unfortunately I actually got let go about a year ago you know from the job it brought my heart because it's like dude i was loyal to you guys for 20 years you know like my boss was loyal to you for 20 years and you threw me away like a piece of trash you know what i mean like and was there a reason just they were layoffs no it wasn't even it's it's really kind of all of a mystery honestly like it kind of came out of the blue uh there was no severance but it wasn't a firing they were just saying that my position as is no long has been dissolved that they don't have that need anymore because I was still making them

a lot of money you know I was bringing in the firm probably like five six hundred thousand dollars a year easily covered my salary right and and they were making a nice bit of change yes they probably could have hired somebody else cheaper than me you know what I mean but honestly like you know I'm only here only making that because you guys gave it to me I mean I've been ready for 20 years loyalty. That's why I kind of mess with my head, man. It's like, you know, these trust issues, right? Yeah, the trust issues. So like, yeah, let me go. And then now I'm finding how hard it is to get a job with it. Like I said, I got turned down by Uber. Right. And you got a member how humbling I had to be to like, you know, I'm working. I was like a corporate auditor

with the office where proceedings for 20 years, you know, and then now I'm, like, the humble myself to that and it still can't get a job. Like, it's just that, that thing carries with you forever, you know, and they don't care how long ago. They don't even give you the opportunity to even explain it. They don't care. And you know what? My charges were so bad. Like, I hit every point. One, pergleries. So I'm a thief, right? Two, everybody's Alzheimer's. I'm violent. Right. Three, drugs. I mean, I mean, it doesn't matter what it is. What good job. It is. Like, you, I'm going to hit the strike mark on that all the years. Worst employer.

Worst potential for employees. So, like, even though I have, like, 20 years of experience, it doesn't matter. Yeah. It doesn't matter at all. You know, so that's why I've kind of, like, branched down. That's why I'm even doing this show with you right now, because this was a deep, dark secret. I could never have my career with this being out there. You know what I mean?

But now I found out that that career doesn't matter anymore because there is no potential there anymore. So that's why I'm like I'm I'm coming out from behind the curtain. I'm not going to be that because I used to wear a mask. I mean, obviously, you know, I can't work corporate America walking in. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I wore that mask. You know what I mean? For 20 years, you know, but now, hey man, I don't have to be a mask. I don't need a high behind a curtain. Obviously, you know, I'm just going to be me and and let the world see who I and figure out well I mean just being you doesn't pay the bills what are you doing for for what are you doing right now for a living what are you doing for I'm still looking

I'm not looking in in that route I'm looking more of as an entrepreneur right so I've created a school curriculum I was there I went back to Vietnam you know yeah I went back to Vietnam last year for the first time and in my entire life in 40 years first time I ever went back since you were six months old yes so six months old i went back for the first time and honestly it was in a dark place you know what i mean like i had like depression issues and and things that i mean trust issues you know right and it's all it's on my bucket list to go back you know what i mean so i myself went back for a month and it just opened my eyes to a completely different way of living and like culturally like over there when they're home

with the horn at you. It's not like a fuck you kind of thing. Right. It's like hey, just letting you know I'm here. You know what I mean? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a courtesy. Right. You know what I mean? Like, you'll see these intersections that have like no stoplights and there are like a million scooters and cars that are just

going through the internet and isn't. And yet there are no accidents because people just let people go. You know what I mean? It's just, it's just, it's just a completely different lifestyle. And it kind of like kind of rejuvenated me that like, hey, this is pretty awesome. you know what I mean like and so like I was trying to think like what what ability do I have you know

so I can teach you eniosch you know so I'm creating an online school that I could teach is it's like they're 12 hours apart from us so like my classes would be like 7 8 9 10 p.m. here and over there would be 7 8 9 10 a.m. okay you know and I'm looking for and this is a totally new venture I haven't like completely I've already created my own curriculum right and everything but i now have to go get the students you know so we're we're in a phase right now where i am trying different avenues right so my rap thing is is one avenue the school is one avenue also i'm considering maybe opening some kind of business here because being your own boss obviously it doesn't matter what your record is right you know what i mean so uh

I've been living off. I had to like liquidate my retirement to be able to last for now. Whoa. You know, I mean, it sucked. That really, that hurt. But it's kind of like, hey, the bills keep coming. The kid, I have children. You know what I mean?

So, but I'm in that like hustle mode. You know, I'm in the hustle mode. I'm now not afraid to tell my story anymore. Like my rapping is a lot of like street, you know, I mean. And they're not lies. They're just like they're, it's just real life shit that I went through. But the difference is a lot of these rappers nowadays, like 21 Savage and they're, they're living that life right now.

Like they're rapping about their life right now. That's why they're still getting shot. That's why I still going through all that shit with me is like, hey, I'm just telling you about how I used to live it. Right. You know what I mean? Because for 20 years, I was not, you know, some gangster like that. Like, you know, I was.

a corporate guy and a model citizen you know for 20 years but you know now circumstances have led to things so like I'm looking for avenues I'm honestly I'm hoping maybe this might even be a jump start for something that might be able to help me you know what I mean so I'm always just looking for different avenues I do have a very good network in Atlanta a lot of people know me so I am now just starting to reach out and try to see like I don't want to have all my eggs in one basket but whichever basket happens to be one that takes off is the one that I'm going to focus management yeah you know what I mean yeah you double down on what's making your money exactly so you know I have like I said my own channels I got music that I got out and

we'll just see what happens to take off what channels what I'm like my oh I got a YouTube channel I created it that's got some of my songs on there it's like if we sample some of the songs that you guys hear some of the stuff what's the name of the channel it's all panda Panda? Yeah, I'll send you all my, uh, all my social links. How did Panda come about? Because you've never mentioned Panda before. I mean, other than the teeth and then the, the, the, well, the thing is I kind of feel

you myself like Panda's an Asian thing. Right. Right. And, but people forget that pandas are actually still fucking bears. Right. You know, they're cuddly in all these videos, but you keep forgetting that they're a fucking bear still. You know what I mean?

Like, so that's kind of like, I feel like, I. I am, right? I come at you in a very smiley way, but inside, I'm a fucking bear still. You know what I mean? Like, don't get it twisted, you know? And like a lot of things have happened. I don't know if you noticed that my limp when I walked in. I noticed on the Instagram page you have a brace on one of the legs. Right. So what happened in 2009, I was hit by a drunk driver. And I was on a motorcycle. And unfortunately, he had no insurance. He was an illegal. Right. So I was in intensive care. I went through surgeries. And so basically I lost the use of my right leg. I had the leg. I just don't have the nerves.

Right. Because basically my right foot was here when I showed up. It means I was laying on top of my leg that folded under my body. Not to mention, you know, you see here, made these arms, broke down. I was like Wolverine. You know, the claws, you know. my left leg was also broken they didn't think I was going to survive

like literally they the first responders that showed up treated it as it was going to be a homicide they roped off the scene and collected evidence because they thought that there's no way I was going to make it that this guy was going to have to be charged with a vehicle homicide

but I made it I didn't have any brain damage um yeah maybe jerry's still out of that ain't no more than I've done myself you know how long were you was it to recover i mean to this day i'm still you know i still take medication over for and uh i still have like nerve like nerve ending pains because the nerves

ripped you know what i mean so uh but it took it took a while to get to to where i was right right now because i mean at that time remember both arms both legs were broken but bones heal you know so like i was literally like i couldn't do anything right you know and that was a very humbling experience you know to like have someone have to take care of you that you couldn't do i couldn't brush my own teeth yeah i couldn't take a shit right you know what i mean like it's a humbling experience to to to have to go through that you know but it taught me you know um then i went through a breakup after that i was in a seven and a half years relationship we got engaged and then like part of ways so then i kind of basically like I was a shell of myself for a while after that I was like a hermit I just didn't

I was in that dark place and I stayed there you know I was in a house by myself I got a dog you know what I mean and he kind of saved me too because I he wasn't necessarily emotional pet or anything like that but he he forced me to be like look I need you to feed me I need you to take care of me you have to get up off your ass because I need you. You know what I mean? But, you know, it's a funny story because I, my buddies, I have some really good friends out there that I just wouldn't like let me just wither away. Right.

You know, and they would, you know, before that, I was a big, I'm a big social person. I'm extroverted. I'm at the clubs. I'm, you know, I'm an Atlanta socialite. And they kept trying to get me to go out again and things like that. And I'm just like, man, I can't do it with a crowd crowd. I got made up every fucking excuse under the sun not to go, right? And so my buddy who told me, it was like, you know what?

Can you sit down? I was like, sit down. Yeah, that's one thing I can do. I can sit down. He's like, I'm going to take you to a place that all you got to fucking do is sit in a chair. A trip club. That's exactly where he fucking took me. That's what Colby was thinking.

Exactly where he took me, right? And yeah, I've been to Mons in 2001 Space Odyssey for her two. But that's where it took me. But that's what brought me back. That was my rehabilitation. That'll do it. Because what happened was in Atlanta is $10 for a dance, right? So for $10, she's going to listen to you for the next three, four minutes, you know?

So I might as well talk. Then I learned to find out that, hey, girls would look past this if your game is strong enough. you know what I mean and that kind of brought my confidence level back to becoming the panda that you guys see now you know because the way I look at it is like this when I walk into any place because of my disability every fucking eye in there is on me right you know you don't notice like let me ask you if you're walking down on aisle and Walmart and three people are coming down the same aisle and one's in a wheelchair which one is one you're looking at the one in the wheelchair you can't help it it's not malicious yeah it's just different

your eyes are just trained to look at the different you're not used to it right you're just looking at the difference right but from the eye of that person in that wheelchair every fucking body is looking right right you know what I'm saying so like when I walk into the gym I can look around and make eye contact with fucking everybody you know it takes a certain level of confidence to finally just say you know what if I'm going to be in the fucking spotlight I'm gonna look good in it and I'm a fucking own it you know what I mean? Because I'm already going to get the attention anyway. So let's go ahead and rock this attention. Right. You know? And it's because of the Strel Club. I always say confidence is a catch 22. Right. What builds confidence? Success. Right. But how do you get

success? You have to have the confidence to go over there and try. Right. All right. But once you get success, that success builds that confidence up. So now that confidence gives you a more a chance to go out there and try in right so the more success you get the more confidence you get so like now my will is like this you know what I mean like I don't let this define me if you ask me about it I'll explain it I don't have a problem explaining it but I don't need you to be like when they say hey you know panda I don't want them to be the that to be the first thing that comes to mind to describe me yeah now you know the funny guy the guy the girl is the rapper All those, now, if they still don't know, okay, the guy with the limb.

Let it be the third, fourth thing that comes down the line. You know what I'm saying? Because that doesn't define me. And it's funny because I meet people all the time. And like the third time I'll meet them, they're like, oh, my God, did you just get an accident? What happened to your leg? Like, I was like this every fucking time I ever met you went with this. You don't mean, but you ain't asked.

I don't care. I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't notice anything until I saw the picture. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't even thinking about it until, you know, you mentioned. I was like, oh, that's right. Yeah. He's got the picture.

That's why it's funny. It's because, like, in my rap songs and stuff like that. You don't limp or it. Well, I didn't see you living and you didn't look like you. But I do. But, you know, like I said, I just, I don't care. I own it. And it just, I don't, I don't care.

I don't give a fuck what you think about. I'm at the point where I just don't give a fuck what somebody thinks. Like, you don't pay my bills. You don't fucking affect my life. I may never see you again. Why the fuck do I care about what the fuck do you think? I don't. It's funny when you get, how you get to the point when you're older anyway.

Like in general, just in, you know, you're, you're, so concerned when you're younger or whatever he thinks and what they're talking about what they're saying and as you get you get older you know there's you you start to realize that you just don't care because i can't think i saw this thing that said uh they said and then when you're in your like your 50s and 60s you realize that nobody was ever paying attention to you at all you know what i'm saying now that i don't care but now guess what they never did pay attention but see when you're young and like when we're in prison that reputation matter yeah right that that shit that shit mattered like i got girls when i was young because of my reputation as though

as a rep right now now that rap don't mean shit you know what I'm saying like I don't give a fuck what you think you know whatever you know what I mean like if it's a friend or something like that yeah I'll listen but it's like honestly like if you're not like doing anything to benefit me

why do I your opinion doesn't mean doesn't mean shit and like I'm the type that like if you're a parasite I'm gonna remove you trash belongs in the trash I don't give a fuck what it is you know what I'm saying like so like negative energy all that shit

I'll leave away from a minute. Question. What is this? The green one. Oh, it's Jade, right? So this right here is Guan Yu, which is the, it's kind of weird because it's a Chinese. He's like the god of war. Okay.

Right. And I got a lot of rash from that accident. Yeah, yeah. Well, this is the recent accident. Yeah. Right. So that's Juan Yu right here. he's on a horse which is

yeah right and that's him here okay that's much more he's the Chinese got a war which is weird because this is Chinese but yet the dragon and stuff is like the yakuza like Japanese yeah I saw

that I thought of that when I saw yeah is the Japanese but to me it doesn't matter it's like it's Asian I'm Asian whatever we're all the same thing you know what I mean but yeah that's who he is you know and like you know would you get that i got it in vietnam yeah i figured that i got in vietnam uh and and an asian culture jade is a very big thing it's luck prosper you know prosperity and things like that so like being

an asian guy i i can pull this all what's this one that's just a dragon okay because this is dragon uh yeah nothing special um but yeah man that's uh i i said i i said i conformed for 20 years like i was that you know guy but you know what still even in those 20 years like i was still panda like i uh when when i was when i was when i was time for me to be when i was at work i was i was that guy yeah i wore the mask but like when i'm on my time i'm going to be me like i own over 200-something pair jordan's right why do i own 200 pair of jordan's no idea because when i was a kid i couldn't have them right like i should we shopped at pay less you know what i'm saying like if i have about i

I remember my very first pair of George that he got game 13s, right? And the only reason why I had that pair was because I took it off some kid off martha. He happened to wear my size. You know what I mean? Like, there was no way mom was paying that money. I was going to say Bozac had,

it's funny you say that because Bozac at one point when he was really like making money, he had like a hundred and some odd pairs of like, I want to say of Nike's. He had all the special ones and all this. He had like a storage unit. That's why Tyler wants. me to meet him i guess you know i mean i guess it's got a lot got in common you know but um yeah i

it's a guilty pleasure yeah and to me it's almost kind of like it really is kind of still like investment their whole value like if shit gets the van like i can sell them and they have value yeah you know is oh he's sold and he now he'll buy shoes and then he'll wear them you know for whatever a month or you would have made five times within a month or two 10 times and then he'll sell them yeah you know so i i even i even know there was a kid at the gym where I went I was in the halfway house I worked at a gym

that my buddy owns there was actually like a couple of kids there that actually went and they they did something like they stood in line to get new pairs of Nike's and then they sold them and that's all they did

they sold it to people right in line yeah well they sure they try I don't know but they traveled around and they did this all the time they had all these Nike scam like not scams but they weren't scams because they were just legitimately saying I have these they're basically upselling into the second more secondary right and they had a whole

it was a whole thing was like that's what their jobs were and it's like that's a fucking job still now yeah that's still now this is only a few years ago well back then like well the Jordan game used to be very where they were very elite they came out once a month and now they're coming out every other weekend

you know every weekend I think he's fucking it up where he's kind of flooding the market with a little it now they're not as prestigious as they used be. But back then, yeah, I was waiting in line at Lennox Mall or, you know, I had a guy, you know, or some kind of plug. Now they got bots that literally will go online and, and buy them off these websites and then they go to resell. You know what I mean? But yeah, like, but I was never a guy. People call me a sneaker head. I'm not a sneaker head. I don't, I, yeah, I buy shoes because I've over a hundred pair of Jordans. Yeah, but it's because I like,

I like the colors. I buy based on like a color to fit in an outfit more than, more than like, hey, is this one like hype? Right. Like, is this one like super valuable? I don't care about that. I actually hate it when it comes to a long like that because if there's a pair that I did want that is hype, now it's going to be harder for me to get that pair.

You know what I mean? But like, yeah, I buy them based on like just a lot of my tags are like Panda and J's. Like, you know, I'm a panda that wears Jays. you know what i mean like but now i kind of kind of step my game up i like a little bit designer so you know i'm which i shouldn't because one pair of riscci's i could have bought like four rich orders with you know but yeah shoes is kind of like my my guilty pleasure definitely and uh and and and clothing and i like to kind of like go in my own lane you know like i said once you get once you stop giving the shit what people think about you you're just going to be yourself right you know yeah and i think

you'd be surprised how many people like step up to me and just like, hey, man, I really like your fit or, you know, I really like how you rock this or whatever, you know, but I didn't do it for you. I did it because that's how I like to wear it, you know what I mean? But yeah, apparently a lot of people do like the way I dress and I've been sent like as an ambassador. Those send me free products so that I can like, I mean, I wish it got to the point where I like Gucci and shit. Maybe one day. I get bigger up wearing Gucci. sending me free shit to wear their stuff but you know it's a little stuff here and there but yeah i mean kind of consider myself a little bit of a trend center yeah people always tell me to write my

memoirs because like i've been through so much tragedy in my life like i've been through some some hardships why don't you write it because i'm all i'm waiting for the happy ending oh we had this conversation right i'm waiting for the happy stop right it doesn't you know that's irrelevant because if it's going to be a motivate if i wanted to be a motivational story it doesn't have to be a motive necessarily motivation this could be entertaining it could just be for because you know for prosperity you know for prosperity for what's what am i trying to say um popularity no because that's what it really is about i'm about yeah to preserve it yeah let's just say that you know what i use for that i use facebook for that we might have to clip that out um posterity posterity posterity there you go so yeah it's for

posterity, you know, just to have it all written down. And if you, if you start writing and, you know, whatever, you take, take a week and write an outline a little bit. We'll write like 30 minutes a day and slowly, you know, I definitely got to start here. I'll say about dictating. I've actually said I've broken down chapters. Right. And then you turn around and say, okay, well, now I'm going to write this story and this story. If you start piecing it together before you know it a year from now, you'll be like, holy shit, I got a whole fucking memoir here. No, I don't, I don't, the, the, the doing it, I don't think is the, the problem. it's me wanting it how it ends you know what i mean you can worry about that later if that happens

at all if it happens at all you know maybe maybe it could be a tragedy yeah maybe it you know know who knows it doesn't have to be anything at the ending i mean it's it's it's you know some endings are just you know somebody walks out of fucking prison it's like like that that book you know about the hurricane the guy that you know was locked that locked up the boxer guy like it was like you know oh it's a happy ending it's a happy ending he spent 30 years in prison for something you didn't do there's no well they let them out it doesn't matter it's not i promised you that ain't a happy ending so you know there doesn't have to be a happy and a happy ending could just be like you know i'm still going and you know i love my life and i've you know things are working

out and i'm still you know i'm still in the struggle but i love it that's good enough the happy ending things aren't working out but we're hoping that they will you know i do try to keep like because when i talk to other people a lot of people tell me i should be a motivational because i'm like that prep i i'm a hell of a a pep coach you know what i'm saying but sometimes it's hard to even take your own advice sometimes yeah you know what i mean like sometimes it's easier said than done like i see a uh psychiatrist and a therapist once a month you know i have demons right you know um so like because one of the main things that i have PTSD from my accident right oh my and it's like and it's the one of the worst PTSD you could imagine because it's like i woke

up on the ground conscious on the floor broken right i look up i can see it it was like around eight or nine o'clock in the evening i see a street lamp you know and like i was just i was a practicing georgia southern baptist at the time but this was the day that i lost all religion right i basically saved my own life with my own intelligence i basically assessed my own situation by saying like one I don't feel any pain, so I know I'm in shock right now. Number two, I can't move. So there are definitely things broken. Number three, I'm getting very, very tired.

I know I'm losing a lot of blood. Right, right? So I'm like, okay, I'm losing all I buzz. You see in the movies all the time, they say, don't fall asleep, don't fall asleep, right? I felt like I hadn't slept in months, right? And I have no interaction. That's just me and my own consciousness. And I'm looking up at this light, and I'm like, as soon as I don't see this light anymore, I'm dead.

You know what I mean? And I sat there for 15 minutes, like literally slapping myself in my conscience to stay awake, you know? And it was the hardest battle I've ever had in my entire life those 15 minutes, you know, because it was just so much easier just to say, I'm going to go to sleep. like I just was I felt like is so so now I equate losing consciousness with dying so mine so mine I have like massive insomnia right you know because like sometimes I'm like I'll feel like I'm I'll jerk back up you know what I mean because my body just doesn't want to let go you know so like I have like the worst things like it's like Freddy Krueger's shit like you're scared to go you can't go to sleep you know like you know and so like yeah like that's and and that actually really only just popped up recently i wasn't i hadn't always had that it was after the pandemic the pandemic fucked me up man i'm such like an extrovert that that isolation it caused my brain to get all kinds of fucked up and like trying to cure it is like even my therapist says like

curing your PTSD it's not these drugs that i prescribe you it's you have to be able to do it yourself you have to go into your brain and like cut it off but you tell me that but like how the fuck do i do it you know like how do i tell myself like hey you know like go to sleep you're just going to sleep man no idea let's go to sleep you know yeah i do that but then my body just jerks up on his own you know what i mean like i just but that that is like a horrible fucking thing to deal with on a daily basis right you know what i mean like and I mean we could talk for hours but I have like so many other hardships I could dump on you but like we don't want this to be some super savvy sad story you know what I

mean I would have liked to been able to plug in some of my songs you want to hear some of it you want to just hear some of my I mean we could actually you want to you want to do are they copy written like they're not YouTube can we put them on like it like we could end it with I have on my YouTube channel I haven't posted yeah we can either drop the links in the description we could play at the end of this video yeah okay like we can end it with your music that'd be awesome yeah as long as we don't have as long as it doesn't give us like a copyright thing no it's not because it's not about recovering yet i mean i have an i have an english song and i have a venomese song which is probably better to go with the english

is it the same song in english no okay two completely different songs but this one is not like one of my gangster songs this is more of like a party go to the strip club i have fun kind of song right it's like radio ready type type song see if i don't know if dom as i actually did another song uh for me um which is really cool it's called the book of michael right and the whole rap you know anything about jordan's at all about what jordan's well jordan's they come in a lot of different colorways. Yeah. Like the breads, the concours, this and that.

So I did a rap that I hid over 45, 46 colorways within the song, but the whole song doesn't speak about Michael Jordan, doesn't speak about shoes, has nothing to do with basketball. You know what I mean? But I just used those colorways literally. Like green glow is a colorways. I'll be like green glowing AT aliens never gave a damn kick a lunar lullaby or a bumping space jam so people people will pick up on it that would but they realize you're not singing about those

you're just using the if they're fans and I think that would cause people to talk wow well how because my very last line of the the rap is well how many did you catch hidden in my verse you know what I mean how how do you get like are is this all this released or is it just it's on YouTube. Like I said, this is like a jumping out party. Like literally I created my YouTube channel last night. You know what I mean? I posted these two songs on it just so that they would place because I'm like to see if there's video people like me and they want to see more. I just want to have material out there. You know, so I kind of like I kind of like steamrolled everything really quick. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's fine. We're going to, I mean, we can we can. Yeah.

We'll play the Creamy and it'll have like a still picture of you like chilling in the chair. It's actually cool. The Creamy, we have a cover art for it and the cover art for my Creamy. Because it's a thumbnail? It is. It is a Panda? Yes. But if you know, that's like the notorious BIGs.

Or if you remember a Notorious BiG's album where he's the baby sitting there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like the very reminiscent of the notorious BIG is just the panda bear, you know, sitting there. yeah this is better right right you know so that would be like thumbnail for creamy um

but then like I also have like a Vietnamese song as well that I rap because I'm like why close out on the market that's something that I know um I think it would be a lot easier to become a Vietnamese star

right right to be the next Drake you know what I mean great if I'm the next Justin Bieber Drake right but that's a star that's way out there and a lot harder to hit than to become the next Ben Z

who you've never heard of but he's probably the most popular Vietnamese rapper. Right. But his, Ben Z has like 1.7 million subscribers on YouTube. You know what I mean? And he's just a Vietnamese rapper that nobody here even has heard of. You know what I mean?

So like, you know, I, and I'm in the process like I write all my songs. So like I have a lot of songs and productions just getting into the studio and getting all this stuff and getting copyrighting and getting publishing. And it's just all slow moving when, you know, I have other people who have to play these roles, like my manager and, like, you know, my producers, stuff like that.

It's getting time to kind of all squeeze it in because they don't do all this stuff full-time either. They have their life and, you know, they do that as a side thing, you know. Right. But yeah, that's one thing. Like I said, the school is another thing. I don't think that your show will help me be able to plug in any help there. But, I mean, yeah, I mean, I definitely, I want to do a radically, you know, idea of, like, the school, because the school I want to teach. Because in Vietnam, you only have, like, this super, Uber rich and then you have the poor.

Yeah. There's no middle class. Like, you go over the Vietnam and you'll see, like, the streets are full scooters, right? And then there's a Lamborghini in the middle of them. Right. You know what I mean? Like, that's just how Vietnam is, you know? so I would teach to the elite over there and like I want to be able to have it because I do

actually have like connections within a lot of the celebrities within that circle and it my school would have celebrity guest appearances things like that that normal it's like imagine you go into a school where Justin Timberlake schools kids go and he shows up in class you know I might teach a lesson you know what I mean like that's kind of the direction I'm going But like I said, that's just one basket. It's just whatever happens to be able to take off. It's where I'm going to go. And also, I'm thinking since this podcast thing,

and I actually have a lot of this equipment already, too, because I record. Right. That I could leapfrog that into my own podcast. Right. You know what I mean? And it doesn't necessarily need to be about me. You know what I mean?

But I am connected within Atlanta. I could interview with a lot of people who are influential in Atlanta. Right. You know what I mean? or, you know, just about different topics, you know, like I, I, you know, I'm a talker. Right. So, like, you know, like, I can be you. Right.

And it's hard and it's hard being you when you have somebody here that gives you yes, no answers. Right? It's tough. Yeah. It's tough because it's like dragging teeth with trying to like getting, getting communication, asking questions to get people to get one of those. And that's the worst thing at all is that like, that like awkward silence. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, you know, sometimes you have to pull it out. You have to pull it out. And it's only certain people who can do that, right? I can do that. I can ask. I've never been on a date where, like, I have, like, that awkward silence. Now, there are some dates that I have to work harder to get you to talk. But most time, people love to talk about themselves.

Right. Or love to talk about anything that they're passionate about. You know what I mean? So I steer them in that direction. Do you want me to do a sign off? Or you're just going to end it with him playing the song. Well, where would you like people if they can contact you and their Instagram? Yeah, I have everything.

But my Instagram is probably my most, has the most traffic is my Instagram. But like I said, everything I created, like Twitter, I have a link tree. I don't have a link tree. I should do that, huh? Where it has everything all together. I don't have that. Tyler, sit in me all those. we'll put it in the description.

Yeah, I would do a sign off just in case, and I'll either do the sign off in the music or when he plays the music, play the music right after. Okay. So, all right. Am I here? All right, well, one, I appreciate you coming.

Oh, no, man. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. This is, you get, you do a good opportunity, bro. Like, you know, that's why Tyler was like, and I'm just like, man, I, you're doing me the favor, right? You know, me, like, I, you are allowing,

Your audience to be introduced to me. No, I, yeah, I, I, I, I, I still, you still did come. You still came out. I appreciate it, but the fun, the funniest thing is the fruit thing. Oh, dude, we got to eat some of that. Yeah. Just because, like, let me tell, anybody that's watch this long, this is what happened. So Tyler is my booking agent.

And Tyler was like, listen, Panda's flying out. can you get him fruit and orange crushed sodas and I went I texted him back I said are you fucking with me I said are you serious did he really

did he really ask for that and he's like I'm glad you now know that I'm not a fucking dude's man right he's like I because oh the whole time the whole time I was like did he really

and he's like he goes he's flying out it's the least you can do and I thought nobody's ever asked me for some special treatment and then I thought about it and I thought, wait a minute now, this guy's flying out, he's putting himself in a hotel.

Like, if he wants some fucking fruit and a fucking, and an orange crush, get him a fucking, like, who the fuck are you? Like, who the fuck is? You know, I'm thinking who this, he think he is? And then I'm thinking, no, wait, who do you think you are? This dude's coming out on his own dime, you know, for, you know, to do your, your show, like, bro, you need to do that. So, I'm so glad that you, I'm so glad that you just did, but then we've got that clear that

But that's what's so funny about it is that, you know, so here what I'm a lot of just telling this like the audience. I know you were here. But the whole thing is then when you came in, you're like, what's so funny is I went to my wife and I was like, listen. I texted her. I said, okay, listen. I said, can you pick up? And I explained it to her. And she was like, what the fuck?

Yeah. And I said, because this is what the guy wants. And she's like, uh, okay. And then when she came home, we look up your, I go, I said, we looked up your Instagram. I said, well, this is him. And she's like, he looks like a dude guy. He looks like a guy that might, might want some special stuff. And we're looking through and I'm like, look at this.

Like, look at this outfit. He likes, he's got a lot of outfits. Like, none of these are the same outfit. Like we're looking through the whole thing. I'm like, every one of these is. And she's like, that might be the same pair of pants. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

She's joking. She actually gets out on the nose. the one thing I don't fend on are pants because nobody gives a fuck where your pants came wrong my outfit this is Versacei this is Alexander McQueen my my joggers are literally like

1999 on it but then when you walked in the door I was like bro did you really ask for this and you were like fuck no what so this is just Tyler this is all Tyler run I don't know what he's doing

I thought you were just being generous like wow he really looks after his guest like that? I was like, seriously? I was like, okay, I guess, you know. No, but you did, but he did it, he did drink the orange crush. I did and I am going to eat some fruit. Yeah, that's fine. But I felt much better when you were like, what? I was like, I was like, okay, good, this is not a thing. I'll thank God. The guy yesterday was like, he's like, I guarantee you this guy tomorrow's going to be problem. Yeah. Oh my God. Because I told the guy yesterday, I said, listen to this.

I said, this is what God, he paid me so horribly, bro. Yeah, well, I mean, I was What I did ask. This guy is going to be a problem. I did ask that, like, you know, I smoke a lot of me. Right. Right.

So I was like, is that cool? No. Okay. And I was like, okay, that's the only thing. What? That it was, that out. That you was just going to just like. Oh, no, if you, if, but if you had you said, hey, can we stop and went and that'd be

fine. Okay. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was, that was the only thing that I said. like i had nothing and then i was like i smoke cigarettes too so like if these are going to be long i'd like to take a break to smoke a cigarette here and there but this blew by fucking fruit no or dude if you gave a tap water i would have yeah like seriously like no it's funny

that's just that's totally 100% i was because it actually caught me off guard when he takes to me like do you want like sparkling water or uh spring water and i'm like Like, dude, I don't care for his tap. Like, what do you mean? Like, yeah. He definitely, I, he had me going like, this guy's a diva.

And like, he was like literally like, what fruit specifically do you like? And I'm like, I like watermelon. Like, I thought it was his question. It's like, I like strawberries. Like, if you're going to ask me what I like, I'll tell you what I like,

but I'm not like, I did not, I'm not demanding any of that. I'm going to have a talk with Tyler. Oh, yeah. That's totally. That's all I am. I'll show you the, I'll show you the, I'll,

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