Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Ex-Professor Warns: AI Takeover Has Begun! | North Korea, Ghost Students & Extinction

Episode Date: October 8, 2026

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This guy's working for somebody else. It makes a lot of sense for King Jong-un in North Korea to get these people in your system and stealing money. So I was a professor up until about a year ago. Oh, okay. Which kind of leads us into our story with the ghost students. I kind of stepped away because my perception of higher education right now, has kind of changed. I think it's deteriorating to a point where it's almost laughable,

like what's being learned in these institutions. And, you know, that's with AI and just various things. It's like, I'm not even sure what is being learned here anymore. And, you know, at a point, it's like not worth, I did it because I enjoyed it. And at a certain point, you're just like, I feel like it's not worth my time anymore. Because I don't even know what's, what it's, What am I even reading? You know, 90% of the time it's AI work. And are you going to flunk everybody? Right.

Or do you turn the other, turn, you know, look away or what do you do as an educator in that situation, you know? So there's just having, you're giving assignments. They're just having chat GPT or GROC or somebody complete the assignment. Like they just drop in, hey, write me a paper, answer these questions. And it's just coming up with all the answers. Right. So I'm teaching predominantly online, which is where most of the ghost students proliferate, where they are making their money in the fraud situation. So when you're teaching online, you don't get a lot of like one-on-one time, you know? Like people are sitting there. You're on like a 30-person web chat.

90% of the time they're turning their camera off, like they turn it back on. the reality is nobody's paying attention. Right. And the schools, a lot of them have basically disallowed you from even taking attendance. So like you're not really allowed to evaluate students based on whether or not they show up. So you're kind of like coach not to knock their grade off if they miss a class or six. Right. You know, which to me is a joke.

Like you have to, you have to attend. I mean, when I was an undergraduate, you had to go to school. You had to show up. I mean, you can miss a few, but the fact that if you're missing all of them, the idea that you shouldn't just be automatically dropped from the class, in my opinion, is ridiculous. Like, you should be weeding people out quickly, you know? Do you see the AI thing where the professor was giving assignments?

And then she was putting in, like, she'd put in one sentence. So she'd have, like, let's say, 10 questions. questions and in each question, she'd then put a, like, add a sentence, you know, and, and explain how this relates to, uh, to the story of, uh, Frankenstein. And then she'd highlight it and make the font white. Right. So the students would highlight the whole thing and drop it in chat and then chat would come up with this, this, it would write the whole paper or the multiple

paragraphs answering all the questions and she would know who used chat because it would talk about you know the the degradation of society blah blah blah and then suddenly it start talking about and it also throw in there and how and this relates to you know uh Frankenstein and how he and they compare it to the story of Frankenstein and of course the student doesn't know enough right to even when they read it they're like oh wow okay that's interesting like I didn't know that and they'll keep going not realizing no i planted that so now i know you used AI and you just flunked yeah you just failed the class because out of these you understand colby yeah so oh colby's leave um but yeah it was it was like fucking brilliant man yeah brilliant but the reality

is you don't even need to go to that kind of complexity it's obvious oh what just the response i mean it's like it's too good you know like i'm a good i'm a good i'm a decent writer i would put myself, let's say I'm in the 99, let's say I'm in the top one percentile of writing, you know, I put things into AI, and I think that's better than I can write it. Right. You know? So when you're talking about somebody who's, like, doing a doctoral degree at Columbia University and publishes things for, like, academia, and he's looking at the thing saying, that says it

better. I mean, if I try, maybe three or four hours, I could write something as good as what it spits out in a minute, you know? And also, isn't it also, I mean, if you, if you've talked to the student and they turn something in, you're like, yeah, you, you didn't write this. Exactly. Like, no offense. Exactly.

You didn't. There's no way you pulled that off. Yeah. So that's, so to tie it back in, the reason I stepped away is because I was actually hosting a, teaching my online classes like in almost a podcast format. I wanted to have one-on-one conversations with people to understand, can they use language? Can they describe the meaning of things? Right.

Can they talk about it in a conversation? Yeah. Because the papers are useless at this point, unless you're just going to fail everybody. And so the difference between that conversation and what they're producing on paper is vastly different. Right, right. And you can have a grading rubric and you can say, does the person understand this, this, and this? Like, I think education has to go back to a time when oration was the measure of somebody's success in academia.

You know, in the 1800s, people were taught, like, how to be Thomas Jefferson and how to speak. Right. You know, like, that was the point of an education was to be a good orator. And I think where we have to go is back to that. Oh, yeah. You know, you have to demonstrate, you know something by talking about it. Because the paper writing is dead.

Yeah. Well, they can, Grock can do it better than anybody. Yeah. Well, and kids can barely speak now. Exactly. They don't. Yeah, I watch this one woman who's like a TikTok or something, mom who's raising two kids, I think it's two kids. And she's constantly talking about her 17-year-old daughter came in or when she was 16.

I've been watching her for on and off for like a couple of years. And she's like, my 17-year-old daughter comes and says, I need to go to the doctor. She's like, okay, we'll call them up and make an appointment. And this is the same thing, by the way. Same thing with Marischelli, by the way. She calls text Jess and says, I need to make a dentist appointment. And Jess is like, okay, call your dentist. She's like, can you call her?

Well, she's like, why can't you call her? I don't feel comfortable calling her. You always call. Yeah, I know, but you're 20 years old. You're 19 years old. You can call? And she's like, can you please just call and schedule an appointment? Like, what do you?

They just don't want to do it. And it's the same thing with her daughter. Her daughter's like, wants to go live in the dorms or something. She's like, okay, well, start the process. She's like, well, can't you do it? She's like, well, you just got done telling me you're an adult. Yeah. Call.

Well, I don't know how to call. Who do I call? Figure it out. Like, they just cannot. It's like, what are you doing? Yeah, we're probably like 20 years old and not have a fucking driver's license. We're probably cultivating some kind of like phobias of speaking. Yeah, well, you know.

So in, I saw this thing, and I want to say it was Denmark. It was one of those Slavic countries. So or Nordic countries. So I want to say it was Denmark that something like 10 years ago, they gave all their students iPads to start doing their work. And they started signing everything, right? Because they're, you know, they're so, you know, above and so everyone else. And so they thought, oh, this is what we're going to do throughout the whole country.

And I think it was five or 10 years later. I think it was recently this happened like a year ago where they, they've been testing their students for every year and they're reading and they're reading comprehension and their um their ability to articulate their ideas has dropped by like 40 percent like it's just dropped off the mat and so guess what they now what they do every year they they do not give from then on they're like oh that's it we're becoming dumber and how having less, our ability to communicate is being worse by this technology, which is not what we thought at all.

We thought this is going to blow us through the roof. Instead, it did the exact opposite. And they took away all the iPads. And from now, the students have to come in. They have to write things down. They have to do this. You know. Yeah.

Well, the interesting part about that is called, like, there was a trend 10 years ago called like learning 21st century literacies, digital literacies. Right. You know, and there's two competing thoughts about that. One is like we should learn with technology because it helps us. And in terms of assisting people in their jobs, they need to know how to use computers. Yeah. And then there's the alternate viewpoint, which is like it's called protectionism, where we should, in fact, protect people from technology, protect people from pop culture, protect people from rap music, let's say, because they're too easily affected.

And I think culturally we're probably going from most people saying before we should learn with technology. It's a more like actually the more ethical thing to do is to protect people from it at this point. Because I don't know what people are retaining when they're typing in a one sentence thing into grok and it's spitting out of paper. Right. You know, like they're not learning anything with that. Yeah. You know? So you could argue just to kind of summarize that idea about education and where it's going, that probably I'm more in this camp of like what you're talking about in this protectionist camp than I was before. I used to publish a lot of stuff about learning with technology. Right. Now I think you should be learning with a chalkboard. Right. You know.

So what's happening with the ghost students? What are the ghost students? Right. So the go students, the extent to this fraud, I think is enormous. So in a given situation where let's say I have 20 students signed into this class I'm teaching, it's an online class. In my experience, about four or five of them within maybe more, maybe six, within the first two. Out of how many? Out of 20, let's say. So we're talking like 25%. Yeah, that's 25 to 30%.

Yeah, yeah. In California, it's about 31% from some data that I read. California published some of the data. So two weeks in, they drop out. You never hear from them again, right? The check drop. Yeah, that's when their FFSA student loan hit, their POSSA student loan hit their bank account. And that's why they're called Go students because they're gone.

They won't reply to an email. You don't hear from them again. You know? So just looking at the extent of how this happens, it's mind-blowing. I'll give you some numbers. So it's predominantly at community colleges. And that's because community colleges are kind of like you can walk in, sign up for class. As long as you have your GED or whatever, there's not like you have to write a college entrance essay or something like that. they're coaxing you. They want you to come in walking off the street and sign up for class, right? So they're not doing a thorough background check. You didn't have to write an entrance essay. You didn't really have to submit your grades like you would if you were going to Harvard

or something. Like they're only admitting 1% of people and they're thoroughly looking at you. Right. But community colleges, you can walk in off the street, right? But there's a thousand community colleges in the United States, right? And from basically the numbers I've looked at, in California, for example, maybe up to a thousand people per semester per year are these synthetic IDs. They're these ghost students. So if you have a thousand just community colleges and at each one there's a thousand fake students, the numbers are like staggering.

So you're getting into like billions of dollars, close to billions of dollars in fraud in a given year, potentially. So what is each one of these students, this is basically someone, are these people doing, applying for student loans and the Pail Grant online? Yes. Okay. So they don't have to provide an ID. They need to provide their name, social security number, and a date of birth. And that goes through the system. They say, yes, this is accurate. This isn't made up.

right so this is a legitimate person but that legitimate person is just a stolen identity right it's just stolen information i'm assuming i'm assuming this is not you said synthetic identity which is typically it can be fast some of that some of those can be fabricated like there's it's not a real social security number but oh but my understanding is it's real okay then it is real yeah so um so usually it's probably a stolen identity where they've got a stolen identity where they've got a identity and that person their name data birth and social security number all are correct and so they're putting that information in it's running through the system they run it through um i want to say it's called uh us citizen dot gov where it verifies like this name data birth social security number

they match this is a real person they it's not made up and then they've and then that automatically makes them eligible for a pale grant and a student loan provided they've never had one and defaulted. And then they're applying for 12 credit hours, 12 to 15 credit hours. Because if you go over 15 at credit hours, I think you have to get approved. You have to get like a special permission to get too many. So you could probably do 12 to 15. And then the pale grant is being applied. And then the insurance isn't a one size fits all.

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It's like 15 grand or something like that? Or is there more? From what I gather, on a good lick, their pocket in like 7,000. Right. But the rest of it's going to pay for the course. Right. Well, the course gets paid off, and then they take the 7,000. Right, that's what I'm saying.

So they're getting probably 15,000. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's going to the school. To the school. So there's no real incentive for the school to stop it. Yeah, that's the issue. Why I'm getting my eight grand. Right.

And I don't have to teach these students. Yeah. So I get the eight grand and they dropped out and that's on them. So, so they, they steal the identity. They go online. They apply to Hillsborough Community College. They get, they sign up for seven or for three courses that are four credits each, you know, intro to business, you know, algebra, two. and you know, American history.

I wouldn't do algebra. I do American. I'd do something easy. So something like that online. I don't ever have to go into class. And then they have, so they sign up for those. Then they tell the student loan people, this is what I've applied for or this is what I'm signed up for.

They say, okay, so you're going to get, we're going to give you, we're going to give you $12,500. $8,000 of that's going to go to the school. plus I'm going to get a pale grant of 2,500, whatever that comes to, which is probably part of the seven, that's just probably like eight or ten grand. So, and then they have to, they have to stay, they have to attend the class for several weeks to let them know we're serious. I'm really doing this.

And then it, then they, the student loan people deposit the money into their prepaid debit card of some kind. right like uh yeah um i don't know they used to have do they even have green dot anymore whatever the the new one or what their their their chime account it drops into their chime account and they go oh my god it just they call it the drop it just dropped yeah that's what they said they dropped yeah it's the drop so i got my money i got my money and of course what they take out is the money for the credit so the school gets eight grand there's six or seven or seven grand left over they get they don't have to go to your class anymore exactly and now they go

who they start spending that money yeah and if they have five identities every three months they can make you know seven thousand dollars every every every every or they make seven thousand dollars for five that's 35 thousand dollars they're making over 10,000 11 or 12 thousand dollars a month and they're doing this every quarter and then what once through the summer right and there's nothing really stopping somebody from signing up to multiple different schools at the same time that's five what if they were what if you had 10 stolen identities and it doesn't matter either you only have to be you could be any you could be a 50 or 60 year old man you could be a four like any identity and they're not pulling the credit like usually when you steal identities you're trying to borrow money

this is automatic right this is automatic so it's not like they're going hey, I want to borrow $30,000 from the bank. I have to apply. I have to send W-2s or pay-cuit. No, no, I automatically. The guy can have shit credit. Exactly. They don't even check your credit.

No, I'm still going to get the loan. Credit doesn't matter. Yeah. And think if you're applying to... Get me all excited thinking about it. The old devil, huh, on the shoulder, you think, well, that's some easy money. But the issue here is, so I don't mean. to single out like community colleges, although that's, that's an easy way to do it. But there's

also not just community college. There are other like vocational schools. You can go, you can take a student loan to go to school to learn to be a barber. Right. Right. So there's a thousand. There's a thousand, there's literally a thousand three hundred, uh, uh, uh, 130, um, community colleges in the United States. But there's another 10,000 maybe other ways like vocational schools, barber schools, haircut, like HVAC, which I haven't personally run the numbers on, but it's probably way easier to convince somebody with a small work study program to get in there as a, you know, as a student with a loan, then it would be even a community college. So there's a rough estimate.

There could be 20,000 places, or there is about 20,000 places that accept student loans currently in the United States. Right. So I'm talking mostly about the community college numbers, but it's way bigger than that. It's way because I don't know what people are doing at the HVAC school, you know, at the school to be a plumber, at the school to, you know, learn, learn to cut hair, you know, it could be huge. It could be even bigger. And I would assume it is because those people are way less more incentivized to report it. Right. You know, a community college is somewhat on the hook for being ethical. You would hope.

You would hope. But somebody who's running a unisex barber shop is way less on the hook for being ethical. Right. You know, if they're having some instructional materials. So it could be enormous, you know. They could be setting it up simply for the student loan money. Exactly. You know?

Yeah. I mean, I've driven by some places in Philadelphia. It's like a corner barber store and it says we accept student loans. I'm like, I'm like the, it's, it's 14. 14 foot by 50 foot frontage. Right. It's a small row house. You're, you're, you're, and I'm like, this is part of it, you know, because what, what are you talking about?

We got 45 guys signed up right now. I'm like, I don't know about that. Yeah. I don't know about that, you know, so the extent of it could be massive. I don't know if people have looked into the, that much, the idea that it's not just universities, you know. You did write a letter to Doge. Exactly. Yeah.

I mean, I wonder what, what, what, what is the, what, what, what is the, that. Is there an estimate for how much fraud or are they not even looking at it? They're still trying to take care of the Somali daycares. They've got to get through that fiasco first. Nick Shirley's, you're on the clock, Nick. Then they'll start on this. Yeah, that could be his next. He's going to start going to community college.

Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if you could even do it from, since it's all online, I wonder of using some kind of a, you know, using some kind of a, what is it, not a socket server. What do they call it? VPN. Using some kind of VPN. But see, I don't even know if the community college is using or is trying to detect where you're.

It's not sophisticated enough to even know. Because I'm going to say you could be in Somalia or in Nigeria or something using North Korea. You're signing up to, you're stealing identities online, signing up to courses, hanging out for three weeks. How many weeks do they have to stay? I mean, the part where the schools are at fault, in my opinion, is that there isn't some kind, or maybe this is policy, but there should be a trigger where the professor can just cancel you. Like, if you don't do the first, let's say five assignments, let's say you even miss one.

Right. There should be a button where you're out. Right. Because you don't get the student loan. You don't get the student loans. Right. You know, now really it's, did they just write an email? Yeah.

They don't even have to turn in the assignment. Did they log in? Right. Is my criteria as a professor to say they're in the class? Right. So like I'm supposed to write them and ask them, are you going to attend before I automatically withdraw them? And that's wrong.

I should just hit the button and they're out when I suspect like. Well, really? Because either you're going to fail anyway, though. If you don't do the first four assignments. Yeah, but they don't care about failing. They get it. And then they just. And with that $7,000.

they spend $50 to get another ID. Yeah, exactly. Or if they're smart, then they get 10 of them. And they make themselves 20 or 30,000 a month. Right. But that idea is from the school, right? From the schools, the school should be very rigorous about getting these people out of the system. No, I understand.

But there's no, but the first line of defense would be the professors. Exactly. And the professors aren't incentivized. If you incentivize the professor and you said, listen, every one of these that you detect, you get 50 bucks. Yeah, you say, oh, shit, I'm making an extra 300 bucks. If I just, if I can prove to this person in the student loan department that this person doesn't exist. Yeah. So Sally May should be saying, hey, if the school notifies us that we've approved a student loan person in a third.

they can notify us prior to us, um, depositing the student loan money, we'll give them 10%. Yeah. So we'll give you $1,200 out of the $12,000. Yeah. If you'll notify us before we actually do it that this student doesn't exist.

Yeah. And then the professor gets $200. You could make an extra couple thousand dollars just by saying, Hey, listen, this guy, Omar Johnson, I've, try to contact him three times. He does not respond. I called him. Like if you could prove your case to the student loan department of your school and they said,

oh shit, you've called three times. And you documented it and said, look, the guy doesn't exist. He's not attending classes. He's not doing the assignments. He doesn't return phone calls. He doesn't return emails. I think this is a ghost student. And they said, okay, let me pass it up.

And they sent it to Sally Mae. And Sally May said, oh, shit, we haven't deposited the money yet. we're going to go ahead and put a stop to it and they put a stop to it and then they said you're right we're going to give you $1,200 and they sent you $1,200. Like that would stop that shit so quick. Yeah, immediately. Like, but I don't know why that wouldn't be like that would you would, they would save so much money. That would be such a, it would just be the amount of fraud that would be stopped by that simple. It didn't even have to be 10%. You'd do it for 5% would still be huge. I mean, obviously it's not it has to probably be 10% because there's more of an incentive for the school to get paid

the eight grand than there is the $1,200 but you could also do a percentage with the school where you say look if you don't if we find out that this many people are our ghosts when we shut off your student loan completely yeah they'd probably that's another incentive like there's a there's a there's a care of it, you know, and a stick. Then they go, okay, we're going to participate. We'd rather get the 1,200 to get our student loans shut off completely and get defunded. Right. I mean, it's, it's, you know, the issue is that the unfortunate issue is that community colleges are kind of great places in the sense that people from low socioeconomic status can can start there to kind of uplift themselves. Yeah. You know? Listen, I got an AA from HCC from Hillsborough Community.

college. So I got an AA and then I just transferred to USF. Exactly. And I'll tell you know what I enjoyed more than USF was HCC. Because at HCC, the classes were 30 to 40 kids. We actually went in. I went into USF too, but we went in. And my professor, I could talk to it at any time. They knew who you were. Yeah. It was a much more. It's almost a little bit, a little bit like high school, a little bit more, but people were serious there. Yeah. But I liked. I liked HCC. I would have rather, if I could have got a 40-year degree from there, I would have. Yeah. I mean, it's a better, it's a good learning environment for people to get out of whatever position they're in, you know? Right. Like single mothers, people who got pregnant.

Yeah, the classes, they have night classes they have, you know. Yeah. So the unfortunate thing is that like in identifying this fraud, it's going to suck for some people who actually need a good place for learning, you know. but the reality is fraud is fraud and it needs to it's not fair to the taxpayer right who's foot in this bill you know because it's it's really a lot of money um so basically at a community college uh might be 600 of these i people per semester you know but you have a thousand community colleges and you have all those other schools so it's it's a lot you know of money A couple, maybe like $8 million per state in some cases.

Right. So you're getting up there in hundreds of millions. So how does this, how does this end? Like they just can't keep pouring money into people that aren't actually going to school. Like, I mean, it's just a ton of fraud. Like, how does it end? Yeah, I guess, you know, I would suggest some kind of government policy where, attendance is required through a month instead of a week.

Somebody has to do more than just log in and send an email to be considered present. They have to do four or five assignments the first part of the week. And probably you don't disperse the loans until after a month or so of consistent work and assignments. And the professor has the leeway to withdraw. draw you if you miss even one or two assignments. From the professor's standpoint, if somebody's going to miss one or two of the first four assignments, they're going to fail the class anyway. Right.

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95% of the time the student a favor by withdrawing them before they fail the class. Right. So just let them not even, maybe like, like it doesn't show up on their, it's an automatic withdrawal that doesn't even show up on their transcript, right? So it's just they never even entered the class because they didn't do the first month of work. Right. That's how you kind of solve, in my opinion, solve the problem from the policy standpoint and from the student standpoint. So they're not penalized necessarily with an F, but they don't get the money. Right. How did you get onto the Lazarus Group thing?

This is the whole cryptocurrency, North Korea, right? Yeah. So the Lazarus Group is like a cyber espionage financial theft ransomware group. They make a lot of money from hacking like hospitals. Ransomware is they get your patient data. You have actual patients in the hospital. hospital and they ransom it back to you for X amount of dollars because they stole your data. So break that down.

You're a, you're a hospital and they somehow. So this is, this is, let's start with it. It's, this is a North Korean hacker group. Hacker group that works from North Korea for Kim Jong-un, basically extorting or basically trying to get money for the. government right so these are professionals guys that they they go into a department every day they check in and their their entire existence is hacking american companies to make money or anybody any company probably to i don't think they're americans specifically they could care less it they'll hack

anybody but and so basically they hack into different types of uh private companies and you're saying that one of the big ones is hospital for ransomware yeah and so what they they get a hold they hack in somehow and then they get a hold of their they get a hold of their client base or their client's information or patient information patient data and then what then they they say like we're going to wipe this we're going to delete it if you don't pay us right you know so from the hospital standpoint um if they don't understand what's happening with actual patients that are in the hospital it can be seriously detrimental to the patient. Somebody can die if you don't understand this person's medical history

when they're on life-saving support at the moment. So it becomes critical in the sense that if they are stealing this data and not letting you access it or talking about how they're going to delete it, then they can receive a ransom for that because you're talking about life or death. What are they asking for? The amounts? Yeah, the amounts. I have experience with the Lazarus Group in a different realm.

I don't know what hospitals are paying, but I know in a lot of cases they are. They are paying the ransom, you know. I mean, is this $10 million or is it $100,000 or is it $50 grand? I think it varies depending on the extent to which the amount of data that they can like cordoned off, that they can capture and threaten, you know. In some cases, the hospitals are trying like a reset, reboot the whole system, see if everything else can come back online and see if they can get the data back. But sometimes they're just paying the ransom, you know, and it's like, it depends.

I think it's case by case. I find it interesting that they do pay, you know, in some cases they do pay because you would think you've always heard like, culturally or socially we hear like don't ever pay the ransom yeah you know like that I don't know if that's Hollywood or in the whatever but at times people are paying the ransom you know yeah well because a lot of times though you pay them once and they just come back now they know I got me a sucker yeah you just paid a hundred thousand let's hit him again yeah exactly uh in our case so um I'm the CEO of fan based technology company and we published by Bonjourno.com and fanbase.io.

There, we've hired a lot of contractors and interviewed a lot of contractors, computer programmers, to work remotely. So there's a lot of these, it's like a den of snakes if you go on Upwork.com and attempt to hire computer programmers about four years ago is when this was happening. So literally, I don't want to give a number, but at least 25% of the people are extremely suspicious that when you're asking for their ID

and when you're asking for them to sign the contract for the intellectual property and stuff, it becomes like this is clearly an operation, sponsored by somebody, right? Because they're submitting fake identification. They are, some cases having like fake reviews that somebody has provided them. And then when you drill down on, you know, where have you actually worked, you find out that like everything about this person

is suspicious. And the reality is, and I think the major issue is that when they are hired into a company, it's difficult then to get them out. Right. Right. Because like the process for building a technology would be that I hire you. Once I hire you, I'm giving you some code to then the last guy quit and you have to take, pick up where this last guy left off. So in some cases, if I hire you, I'm giving you as soon as you walk in the door, I might be giving you $30,000 worth a code that it took me six months prior. So when I give that to you, the last thing I want to do is fire you immediately. Right.

When I find out, oh, this is like, I realize two months in, this guy's a fake person, you know, this guy's working for somebody else. Or like, you start thinking like something suspicious about this person, you know? So the really, the issue here is like even big companies sometimes have these people working and they know like something's wrong here, but I'm just hoping nothing happens. finishes his work and we can get him out of the system before there's like an actual confrontation or issue. You know, because when you figure out when you have a mole where you have somebody in your system,

you don't want the ransomware situation. Right. You know? And you don't want even it to be publicly known because that, like if you're Mark Zuckerberg and you have somebody working, a contractor working, and you find out something bad about this guy. The last thing, it's going to, the stock's going to tank. Yeah. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing that you, that you allow this person this much access and who knows what kind of damage and what kind of information did they get. Yeah. And then you look foolish. Then you look bad.

And if you're like a publicly traded company or something, it's bad for it's bad for you. You know, so, so in that case like, uh, it makes a lot of sense for King Jong-un and North Korea to get these people in your system, um, and stealing money, you know? Did you see the thing where they were interviewing people now and they'll say to them, and need you to go ahead and say Kim Jong-un is an idiot. Yeah. And they were like, what? Yeah, I can't say that.

Why would you want me to say that? Right. Well, it's no big deal. Just go ahead and say it. Yeah. And they go, that's strange. That's a strange thing for you to ask me. Like they will not do it.

They're like, well, you do want the job. We need you to say this. Because that's an executable offense in North Korea. So this guy is sitting here like, it's a great workaround. I'm about to get, about to get fucking executed here. Like, I'm about to get the job,

but I don't want to get like, you'd think they'd get a pass. Yeah, you'd think a spy or somebody working on behalf as a Confederate for the company, I mean, for the country, for the government could lie. But, you know, not in the hermit kingdom. No.

You got to be careful. So what did your company? First of all, what does it do? You said it publishes. Are you a publisher? So bonjourno.com is like a... Why have I heard that before? I don't know.

Maybe because I wrote you an email before. I mean, is it a magazine? It's a self-publishing. It's kind of like Medium.com. You know how you can write blogs and stuff like that. It's like that. Okay. But it has more facets.

So you can post podcasts on there. You can post video. Medium is simply a very simple writing, blogging. So Bonjourno is actually for like people who want to write news. Oh, okay. So it's more, you can read it every day. It's more topical in terms of like news, right? So people are publishing like true crime articles.

Okay. Things that happen to them or things that they're reporting on. And there's like a reward system in there so that if people read your article, you get like points. Oh, cool. Yeah. So the point is that there's, that's one facet of the company. There's another facet of the company.

That's also a defy cryptocurrency exchange, like a swap like, we have a wallet like Metamask. And you know what Metamask is? I don't know. It's a cryptocurrency wallet. So we have wallets on your desktop, wallets on your phone. You can buy and trade crypto. Okay. Okay. So there's like two facets of this company, right?

Obviously, the North Koreans, they love the crypto parts of it. They make a lot of money hacking crypto bridges. The Lazarus Group hacked a crypto bridge. So a crypto bridge is like when one blockchain tries to transmit information or records to another blockchain, you need a bridge to go between it. It's like one operating system to the other, right? So there's this thing called a bridge, a medium between transferring. Let's say I have one dollar here and one dollar there.

I have to use a bridge if it's going from Ethereum to, let's say, the Bitcoin blockchain, right? I need somebody to mediate that because it's two separate blockchains. The Lazarus Group made like 100 million hacking one of those bridges, 600 million actually, I think, hacking one of those bridges. When somebody tried to send value from this blockchain to this one, they got in between it.

They had some code or something in the bridge itself and pocketed 600 million. So they made Kim Jong-un a ton of money on that one. And then after that, what they do is they have this dirty crypto. They use what's called a mixer. They send it to somebody

who's basically like a fence. Right. You know, and they mix it up and spit it back out to people so that the provenance isn't traced. So there's multiple layers to the operation when they steal the crypto. Often they get in that in-between space in a bridge, and then they have to use a mixer. There was something called Tornado Cash where they would put their – I don't know if Lazarus specifically used Tornado Cash, but people from tornado cash got in trouble for providing this mixer. So you put the money in, you mix it up, and then the money comes back out,

and it's less traceable, you know, if it's all mixed up. Like a bag of popcorn, you mix it up. Yeah. Then it explodes. And so you know the money was dirty coming in, but it got distributed. You can't follow that. Same dirty money. There was a point where it got all mixed up, you know.

So Lazarus, you know, is sponsoring a lot of North Korea. is bad behavior, you know, globally. And they have, like you're saying, they can't admit, they can't say anything negative about Kim Jong-un. Right. You know? And that's from a regulatory standpoint, but also they're like deeply brainwashed to believe, like,

the United States is the enemy. Right. Westerners are the enemy. Kim is almost a god, you know? So like, it's, they don't want to get, killed, but also in some cases, they believe it. They just believe it. Yeah.

They believe they're doing the work of somebody who's almost like a God, you know. So we, there's other scams, right? So they're trying upwork. I don't know if, do you know what upwork is? It's like a. I've used it before. Yeah. So they're, we had a lot of difficult experiences hiring using that.

I've hired some great people from that and who are still. working for me, but there was some really touchy situations with that. The second scenario is like spoofing. So we were, we have a token and we were contacted by, I won't use the name of the actual company, but somebody from, let's say, like, this is not the correct company, but from like coinbase.com to saying they would list the token. Do you know what Coinbase is like to trade the token? But spoofing is when like they'll use, they send it from an email that looks like Coinbase.

It spells, you read it, it says, you know, Fred at Coinbase.com is sending you this email. But the spoofing is like, they'll use like Cyrillic language in the domain. Like the eye is slightly not a real eye in Coinbase. but it's very, it's like serilic, it's like a rust. It's very subtle. And you're thinking, how would they even know about me yet? It's too early for, in this case, Coinbase. Insurance isn't a one-size-fits-all.

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and you're like, this person seems, everything seems right about their profile. Right. You know, but I'm not going to believe you that you're the listing agent on, let's say, Coinbase, just because you tell me you are, I would say to them, send me an email from an actual domain. Right.

Listing at Coinbase.com and then I'll believe you. Otherwise, I don't really believe you. But I was fished in for a good week thinking I was getting going to be listed not on Coinbase but a similar one and didn't realize until like something like at the very last minute I had the hundred thousand or several hundred thousand to send to their bank account to to get listed and I was like I'm going to something just doesn't seem right and it was the it was just the spoofing so it was the eye was a Cyrillic eye with like it's like a square instead of a round eye on the top the top of the top of

the eye is. So if you look at like your keypad when you're texting, yeah, if you put your finger on eye, there's like seven or eight options. Okay. If you write rush in Russian, right. You know, like on an American keypad, if you put your finger on an end, there's like seven potential ends too. Someone has like a little slash above it or a dot. Right. You know, so I was basically almost fished in big time and almost sent them hundreds of thousands of dollars because for one, I was probably looking at it like, wow, this is great, you know? Right. Like, we're getting a major listing for this.

And the person's biography read unbelievably persuasive. Like, I understand when somebody's BS and me usually. Right. But this was really persuasive, you know. Your BS meter is pretty strong. Pretty strong. But in this case, maybe I was just, you know, so happy about. the situation that I kind of, I wasn't being smart about it. And he almost got me for several

hundred thousand dollars, but he did not. Did you send him a thing saying, boy, you were so close to I almost, I'm not almost since you the money. Almost that. Well, the major issue is that I realized that he didn't get me for the hundreds of thousands, but he did get my ID. So I was just the next person that they were using on Upwork as the pawn, the fake ID, the synthetic person that you would hire. Well, you can hire my name's Ron, hire the American guy. Here's his passport. So they're probably used, they almost got my hundreds of thousands.

But they did get me for like a lot of ID information, you know, which is what they then turn around. And I would be hiring a guy who said to me, he's in America. He sends me his American passport. Right. You know? But then, like, I'm asking further questions when I'm hiring and I'm like, this doesn't make sense.

Like, something doesn't make sense about your profile, about what you're saying, you know? Or, like, sometimes it's the accent, you know, and you're thinking, like, you asked them where they were born. And if they say America, but they have an accent, you know, you're like, you know, I don't want to be racist, but I think that's, Yeah. Not likely to have like what else is the story because it's not adding up.

Did you live? You could be an American and grew up in Kenya or something like that. Yeah. You might have an accent, you know, but. Yeah. But why risk it? Yeah. I mean, but you're weighing the choice because you want to hire this person because they might,

like in GitHub, GitHub is a platform where people post code that they've written and you can observe, like they know what they're doing. You know, I want to hire this guy. But, you know, at the end of when push comes a shove, it's not worth risking your whole system, you know. Right. To save a few dollars. And you're like, is it, is it racist that I'm going to say that this guy, I can't hire this guy because he has an accent or like, but you have like, when you have like, it might just, you know, if it was just the accent, it's okay, you know. It's fine. But if it's like six things, you're like, I can't hire you. We're okay. We're okay. We're okay with. me. Sorry, you can't. Sorry. No. No. I mean, you know, but the obvious situation, too, is that there's a lot of foreign workers who are great who you want to hire, you know, like the guys from All In podcast, Jason, I don't, I forget his last name. He's always talking about how startups should go abroad and hire foreign workers because it's less expensive.

Right. you know so there's like affordances and constraints like you're rolling the dice because you have to have a really rigid background check system but if you find the right person like i have i have a co-founder who's got like 10% of the company you might strike gold because you know they're from a they're not spending $1,500 a month on rent like we are or whatever you know but there's a lot of bad actors on platforms where you would hire somebody. So what's going on with AI? So there's been a few court cases recently, which have arguably made the landscape clearer

for creators, people who use AI. There's been a couple settlement. There's one major settlement where seven million pirated books were used to train Claude, you know, and Anthropics settled for $1.5 billion. Wait a minute. So, what? So you're familiar with large language models. Like when you type in your AI, it spits out a response, you know, anticipating by

researching the information and then spitting out an answer, you know, an intelligent answer. In order to train Claude, 7 million pirated books were used to train it. So they were already digital copies. Okay, so they didn't pay for these books. Well, they paid on the back end when they stole them. You know, I don't want, stole might be the wrong word, but pirated digital version.

So rather than scan them themselves, they ripped them from somewhere. Okay. And had to pay a settlement of $1.5 billion to... To what the creators of that material? It was Barts versus Anthropic was the case. Okay. Which makes sense to me.

But the interesting thing about that finding was that the ruling was that had anthropic, physically copied the pages into the AI, it wouldn't have been an issue. So the only act was the act of piracy. Training the AI on a book, much like Matthew or Ron would learn something by reading the book, is not in itself, in and of itself, a copyright violation. So I can train AI. This ruling is that I can train AI as long as I acquire the text on the front end in a legal way like buying the book. Yeah. So if I bought the book and then scan those documents, those pages.

That would have been a legal use of the information according to this ruling. Okay. But that's not what they did. No. It's like what was it? Was the use of Pepsi or Coca-Cola? used the, I don't know which one of this, it was, but it was some major brand knew that the Beatles would not license their, the use of their songs.

Right. And so, and they knew it. And so they went ahead and they said, you know what, fuck it. Let's just use the song in the commercial. Yeah. And if they sue us, so then we'll, we'll pay the lawsuit. Like, like, what are they going to, what are they going to do? Like, they don't, they won't let us use it no matter what we pay them.

So fuck it, just use it. And if they sue, we'll settle. And they use the song. And then their argument was we, we didn't know and we accident. They tried to say we, it was an accident. We thought we had the rights. Right. We thought somebody had gotten the rights.

We had no idea. It started off as a use something in this and we'll acquire the rights. And somewhere along the lines, we just didn't acquire the rights. Oops, my bad. What would you charge for those rights? name and fuck you you knew damn well and so then they looked into it and they ended up getting like the email or whatever it was the internal memos this is back when emails were the internal memos were you write a something you stick it in a in an envelope i actually worked when this was a thing you

stick it in the envelope do you remember this stick it in the envelope and you write down your name and who it's going to and then you give it to like the the office mail guy and he takes it to that department and then they respond to the and so at some point they got a hold of like the office information that basically said fuck it if they sue us we'll just pay we'll just settle it'll probably it'll be less than trying to acquire the rights which they won't give us anyway because their whole thing was we do not allow our music to be used in advertisement so you would have never gotten it so you figured okay well then they'll settle for something reasonable right So anyway, and then the court fucking just smashed them, like smashed them where they could have paid where they probably should have paid half a million dollars.

It was like fucking like 50 million dollars. It was like, yeah. I'm assuming this. 60 million maybe. Oh, is it 60 million? I mean, this is just from the AI overview. Bro, I pulled that out of my ass, by the way. I don't know what it was, but I knew it was.

I knew it was outrageous where it was something like, hey. they maybe could have a normal company or normal band would have said, give us half a million dollars. And then they just said, no, what you did was so egregious. Is this the Beatles, you said? I think it was a Beatles song. I want to say it was a Beatles song. Am I wrong?

I mean, it's, this is what it says. Apple Corp's versus EMI. Apple Corp sued EMI over $60 million in unpaid royalties leading to a 2007 settlement that cleared a path for digital distribution of the, The Beatles catalog. I don't know if this is the exact. Oh, that's catalog. Oh, that's a lot of the catalog.

I mean, it's. This was like a song in a commercial. That's what it was. So 60 million now. I think that's something else. That sounds. No. No, but it was outrageous.

Like the court system, like they just smashed them for, for just like, you did it on purpose and you thought. A 1987 lawsuit involving Nike with the Beatles song revolution. That's it. That's it. What they pay? 15 million. Ah, 15 million.

I was way off. But either way, 15 million for something that they should have paid, you know, half a million or a few hundred thousand, because that was like the going rate, but they just wouldn't do it. They're like,

no, no, we don't license our stuff for that. We just don't. And they were like, oh, oh, you don't? Oh, okay. And then they thought,

hey, what does it matter? We'll settle with them. Once they do it, we'll just settle. It's, what are we going to pay? Right. You know?

And then the court just said, oh, hell no. Yeah. It changes the commercial. And 15 million back then. It's like 50 million now. Like that's, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot.

You know. But yeah, to me, to me, it seems like the same kind of thing. Like they're just smashing them for, you thought you were going to be cute. Right. We're going to smash you for that. Yeah. And the interesting thing now is like, you know, so there's applications to this in education. You know, like I was saying, I kind of stepped away from teaching because I know I'm reading mostly AI generated papers.

Right. You know, but there's applications to journalism and, um, and writing as well, you know, so the the way to, I don't know what you do when you're, do you write anymore? Like, yeah, I still I was actually just going to say to you, you know what's funny is I'll write something and then drop it into chat and say, how would you improve this? And it doesn't rewrite it. It takes it. And it says, I would, and it says like, and it will start give you examples of I would move this paragraph here. And I would start with like it. It'll kind of edit it like an editor for you.

Yeah. And it'll edit it. So it doesn't. And you can say, yes, please make all of those changes and print out the article for me. And it will do it. Right. But it's funny. I was actually talked to, mentioned to Colby and a buddy of mine I was talking to earlier today.

who's a writer, and I was telling him that I had written an article from a guy who had come on the program, and I said, I didn't even know why this is, I thought about this afterwards, was that I actually spent five minutes typing in the story when I could have just hit the record button, or I'm sorry, the mic and just told it the story. I always forget the mic on chat, always forget it. And, but instead I spent five minutes that would have taken me a minute to, to just tell it. And so I told a five-minute story and then I asked it to print out, take that information and create a story based on a 1,200-word story based on this information.

And it printed it out. And I thought it was pretty good other than the fact that I thought the more interesting part of the story would have been to leave the reveal for the end. And it starts with the reveal, where it kind of gives up. prolog. The prolog could have been anything. It actually took the reveal as the prologue. And I thought, why would you do that? Like, there's other interesting parts you could have used as the prolog. Yeah. And then maybe it was writing like journalistically like who, what, where, why and when at the big, did. Did you prompt it to say this is a short story or this? I did. I said a true crime magazine

style article for kind of like a medium or your thing. I have a, uh, uh, a, uh, I have a website called Inside True Crime magazine. It's actually InsideTruecrime.com, but it's a magazine style, kind of like medium, where I put my stories, but I also put true crime stories on there. And this was a story a guy had told me. It was very much a, the call is coming from inside the house. He was receiving a bunch of emails, threatening emails that were threatening him. And this was after he'd come on this program.

this guy had come on the program. He's an author for novels, true crime novels. Not true crime, I'm sorry, crime novels, novels by definition or fiction. And after he came on the program, he started getting these threatening emails and even called me up and said, hey, man, what's going on?

Like, does anybody contacted you? He's like, I mean, something's weird going. I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. So, but he's getting these emails and they got to a point where they were really threatening. He said, the problem was is that the emails, the person clearly knew me. There were some personal information

and things that were happening that I, there's no way, this person had to know me or they just, he's like, it was just way too personal. And things that he's like, I couldn't have known either. He's like, I didn't know what was going on.

At the same time, he actually thought at one point, like maybe somebody broke in my house. He's like, at one point he's like, I noticed it like some alcohol was missing. And then another time I noticed like my furniture, had been moved.

He's like, so it was super weird. He's writing himself into the story. Super weird. He's, he thought he was just writing, but he's becoming part of it? Like, no,

no, he's, no, this isn't writing. This is happening. He's receiving emails. Oh, okay.

He came on this program and starts receiving these emails. So he had like a stalker or something? It's a stalker. But he's like, then I started thinking, maybe this guy broke into my house. Like,

stuff's missing. Things are being moved. Like, I'm going crazy. He's like, am I have a little, little tiny house like this is was he reporting on something that people were trying to scare him about or no no no this not reporting he's a not he writes novels right fiction fiction oh anyway he said in this in his house

there's an area loft area he said where you know you go up the stairs and there's a little area he's where i have my desk and i sit you look out the window and um so one day he's up there and he said i've been up there for a while and it was quiet you know i'm typing but i've been very quiet and he hears some noise. What is that? What's what's going on? He's like, and I'm like, what the fuck is going on? He said, and I realize that there's a little half door to a kind of a crawl space area,

like in the attic area. And I'm thinking, is there like an animal? And then all of a sudden the door opens. And a guy, somebody's leg comes out, climbs out. A leg? Yeah. Oh, wait. Let me tell you something first.

What happened before that was he got so freaked out by it. He contacted the local police. The noise. No. The emails. He calls about so he calls and tells the email to the local police. Local police forward it to the FBI. He talks to an FBI agent, the whole thing.

They say, we'll look into it. And there had just been some legislation passed for cyber stalking. So they took it seriously. Not another we could do. They said, no, fuck it. we got to look into this. So they look into it. And they had, they contacted him email or, or phone call.

I don't remember which it was, but they contacted him. Here's what's really upsetting about this, by the way. I'm telling a better version of that story than he told. So they contact him and they tell him, listen, we've tracked the IP address and those emails are coming from your IP address. And he's like, what? And so it's like the call is coming from inside the house. And he's like, but that he's like, that's like, that's crazy. crazy. So I'm thinking, is someone tying into my Wi-Fi? Or did they break into my house and use my

computer? Like, that's crazy. So he's like a week or so later, he's up there typing and he hears the noise. And then the door opens and somebody's leg comes out. And then another leg and they drop out of the little thing. And he looked in the guy clearly doesn't even know he's there. It closes. The door turns around their eyes mat of meat. And the guy, she said, all of a sudden, he's just like, And he rushes him. And he's like, we get into a fucking, like a struggling mat. Like we're fucking kind of struggling. And then the guy bolts.

He takes off. He runs down the stairs. He bolts out. He grabs his cell phone. He's chasing after him. He calls the police. The police come. They arrest the guy.

The guy ends up leaving. They actually let him go because they go, oh, this is more of a squatting. You know, that's, he's in like, see. I think he was in like, was it Seattle or. Yeah. It was actually like Oklahoma or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like their soup. But wherever it was. They were super liberal or they just don't want to work, he said. They didn't, but the guy ends up getting caught again like a week later, finds out he's illegal and he's in an ice facility. And he's from like Guatemala or something.

But in somebody else's house? I don't know how he got caught a week later because he continued to push the whole issue. And he's like in an ice. He's being thrown out of the country. But my point is, is that I told that story in five minutes on and sent it. And sure enough, it spit it out. And it was a great article other than the fact that. it starts off with the like the guy that the noise and the guy climbing out of the thing and their eyes

kind of they turn in their eyes lock and then it jumps back to months earlier he started receiving these emails so then you have to wait to read the whole article to find out what happened yeah but it was it was it's 1,200 words i gave it psychological thriller too yeah well i mean but 1200 words it's it's a it's not even it's it's barely a true crime article. I mean, it's a true crime article, but it's a very short version of a true crime article. But it did a really good job for the very little information I gave it. Yeah, I thought. So, I mean, it will do that also.

You can give it a shitty version of a story and it'll come up with a fucking great version for you. As, you know, and it'll kind of, you know, it ad-libs a little bit here and there. But it's, it's, you know, it's pretty amazing. You could also just tell it like, hey, write me. write me an email on on James Fishback running for, you know, governor. And it'll, you know, 600 words. And it'll come up with 600 words. It'll just pull from different sources and come up with the whole thing.

Yeah. From a copyright standpoint, you're better off with your first example where you were writing it down and asking it to edit individual lines. Because then that becomes yours, right? It's still yours. It's yours. Even if none of the second words, like even if it rewrites the entire sentence, if you wrote the sentence first and it's helping you, it's yours. Yes.

So from a copyright standpoint, it's a lot safer to physically write it and have the AI help you perfect it than it is to generate it. Because if it's generated and then it's not touched or changed, you basically end up like copywriting hand. half your novel, half of it is helped with AI and half of it is yours. Right. You know, so like, strictly from a monetization and from a how like publishers in the future need to think about this, the best thing to do is to write it in your own, type it out first and then let the AI help you perfect a sentence, you know? Right.

You know, that's just like, but when you copyright things now, you have to, there's like a box, like was part of this AI assisted or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Library Congress asks. Yeah. Well, and you know what else? Who else asks is if you go to KDP, if you self-published with KDP, it also asks you, has any of this, any of this AI. Right. Yeah.

So, and that's not even copyrighted. That's just being uploaded to KDP. Right. So there's like on Vonjornah where I self-publish. By the way, so does YouTube. YouTube asks also. You have to check a box. If any of it's if this is AI. Yeah.

Yeah. So news, there's more of a leeway, right? Because you're not really selling the like it's okay that news is AI assisted or strongly AI even generated because you're not going to then sell it as a standalone. alone book, for example. You don't copyright your news articles. Right. You know?

So there's Bonjourno where I'm the CEO. We have an option to generate news. You can generate an article. You can generate an image. You then overlay the image with like the title. And you can do that rather quickly, you know, probably in five or ten minutes. You can generate news. You know, there's no plagiarizing.

There's no copyright issue. with news generation in that way. But when you're talking about novels, like you write, you know, true crime novels, the best choice is definitely to write it first, even if it sucks. Right. You know, just to the provenance.

So if anybody ever looks at like your Google Doc, you wrote it first and then perfected it later, from the copyright standpoint, they look at it like it was a first draft. Or if you generate the story, then you end up having to really touch each word, right? you have to change then the sentence. If you generate the story,

then you have to make the sentence your own, each sentence. So you can't use like chunks. Right. What about like my, my daughter-in-law will, she has a channel called Crime and Curles. Subscribe, Crime and Curles.

Anyway, where she just, she does like an hour, 45 minutes to an hour, maybe an hour and 10 minutes. She'll tell a story, right? She tells a crime story. Right. And when she does her thumbnails, she'll go on, she'll go on like Photoshop and she'll kind of arrange it, right? She'll put her, she'll do a picture of her.

You know, she'll do the whole thing. But when you're making a thumbnail, you have to be, you have to spend a lot of time. But she'll kind of put herself here, the other person here. She'll type out what she wants to send. Like it's kind of half-assed. And but then she takes it and she throws it into chat and she says, hey, make this a viral thumbnail. And it, of course, it makes all the lighting perfect and it changes it and it does all the little bit of the glow around it.

It'll change the text. It'll give it a grimy text, whatever. And it'll take the people's faces and alter them to change a little bit. It cleans it up. And then it gives it to you and it's like, fuck, man. That's a good thumbnail. I think she's doing it the right way. I think she's doing it the right way.

Which is better than you're just saying, hey, make me a thumbnail. Because then it comes out and it looks super. super generated. And it usually, it's usually, it just can't get it to what you wanted. If you give it as close as you can and then it'll just kind of highlight it. That's what it's really doing is putting final touches on it. Yeah. But I mean, a thumbnail, you're not trying to copyright.

No, it doesn't matter that much. But the, that structure, that order of operations is definitely if in the future you're, you're doing some kind of graphic design for a, let's say you're doing a graphic novel or something like that. If you do that process where you outline it yourself, you put some pieces, and then the AI makes it better, you should be art, in my opinion, and what some of these, you know, rulings are suggesting is that's okay. Right. You can still copyright the whole work, you know. So the best thing you can do is put that, put it on paper first yourself and then perfect it later, even if it's image generation, like you're saying with the, with the thumbnails.

What's going on with? So I've thought about this. I've told my stories that I've written. I'm just having such problems with them. I've actually, I've thought about writing out the scenes. I actually have the scenes written out. I thought about dropping it into,

I keep seeing this stuff on TikTok, talking about how you can now drop a scene into AI and it'll come up with, it'll generate a whole, almost like a movie-like scene based on what you're telling it. and I almost did it the other day, Colby. Remember yesterday I was fucking around like I was on it. And all the problem was I had to sign up for, I forget the name of it.

And it was the one that has credits. Like you get a thousand credits, 2,000 credits. And it was like, like I had to pay like $340 for the year or something like that. I was like, fuck, I'm going to pay $340.

I didn't even know if this is going to do what I wanted to do. Yeah. And, but I had like Jess's story that I wrote on Jess. that opening scene that I have. I want to know if it could because I wrote it so clearly. Like I could want to go through and have it do it,

but I don't know if it's going to do it and how much is it going to cost me to do this. But if I dropped in a scene and it came up with a scene for me, a 30 second or 20 second scene, would I own that? I would say write the scene. Don't write the prompt. You know, if you write it as a prompt. Right.

To simplify it, it's not yours if you write it as a prompt. Right. If you write it as a scene, things are actually happening. Oh, yeah, no, I've written the whole thing. Then it's a true crime order. There's a 12,000 word true crime article. And this is the, this is the prologue to it. Right.

Where it's physically like there are these girls. They're unloading airboats full of fucking ice and they're putting it in the truck. And then a helicopter shows up. It's the DEA and they jump in the truck and they're driving through the Everglades to get away from the truck. they jump on to Alligator Alley. I love the name Alligator Alley. They jump on Alligator Alley and, of course, they get away. But I've laid it out over this. This is a full.

Yeah. It's a great scene. I'm very clear, very precise. I'm talking about it. So is it written like a script? It's written like a semi like between a, it's a version. It's a true synopsis. It is a synopsis.

It's more like a 12,000 word true crime article. But it's, it's very descriptive. Like a visual. Very visual. Very visual. Yes. I mean, I'm talking about pickup trucks and throwing up dirt. Right.

Music in the background and the girls are wearing wife beaters and, you know, cut off jeans. And, you know, there's the guys on the boat that pull up are holding AK-47s. And there's alligators. And you can hear the chirping of the, whatever they call it, cadence or all the different thing. You know what I'm saying? That's very descriptive because it's an opening scene. you want to really paint that picture for what you're dealing with here. This is this is deep in the Everglades.

This is backwards kind of. I mean, if you're getting, this is just my opinion. Right. But if you're getting that detailed, usually you're safe. Okay. You know, I think. But if you're just saying like describe an Everglades scene. No, this is then then the ruling on that would be you didn't actually describe yourself.

Yeah. You know? So I would say. mostly you should try to get as much of your story on paper yourself and then fix it because then it's entirely your copyright right you know uh in terms of selling it later if it was like going to be a a chapter in a book or something if it's just news i'm talking about i'm talking about trying to generate a video off of this thing yeah i want to drop it in and have it make the video right i want to see these an ai generated video because that's what i'm seeing on on the real

and TikTok, they're talking about how, listen, it's so good now. There's this new model that just came out, which was, you know what the model was? It was runway, it was runway, yeah. From chat GPT, whatever runway. And I tried to get it to upload runway and it did. And then it wouldn't generate it for me. And then it said, oh, you have to, you have to basically sign up or, yeah, you have to download or sign up with this other one, which it told me what the other one was.

I was like, listen, man, you just, you said runway. Now I did that. Now I'm doing another one. Yeah. I'm like, no, I'm not doing all this. I'll talk to Colby about it. Yeah. Or I'll have David,

if I can do it or something and ask David, David, what am I doing here? You know? So I wanted to generate, because they're saying like these things are generating amazing scenes. And they show the scenes. And you know, they're never as good as the scenes that they're showing yet.

But I'm thinking this one's pretty descriptive. Like maybe I could. Have you tried generating the image first on chat, She be key. I did. I did. It's got the girls unloading the boats and it's it's a little bit too much. Right.

Like I mean like literally there are alligators right next to the like it's almost like the boats in there and there are alligators everywhere. It's like it's a little to commute over the top. It's a little too much. But the images are good. Yeah. It also made Jess look like she needed to lose about 20 pounds and I didn't like that because she's thin.

Um, but it did. They were all wearing like wife beaters and torn and Daisy Dukes and they're unloading this boat. It's pretty good. I mean, a lot of people are using it for B-roll now, like podcasters, you know, are using those AI generated. They're using prompts to cut to B-roll that plays the scene out, you know, and it's like cinematic type podcast, you know.

I've seen them in like the UFO space, like Jesse Michaels. You ever see that podcast? Yeah. He does a lot of like cinematic type stuff. Yeah, we do it. Yeah, you do? Yeah, we'll show me in prison. I never look good.

It's always me. It's always me as an old man. Like, I wasn't an old man. There's one that's like gone viral. And every time I see, I'm like, this does not look like you.

Yeah. Yeah, some of them are horrible. I'm like, I almost want to call up and say, you know, what are you guys doing? Do you have to be an old man in prison every fucking time?

You do realize this was 20 years ago. Right. But I mean, uh, from a podcast standpoint, it doesn't matter. You can just generate it, you know,

because you're not going to try to copyright the, a podcast. podcast. It only matters for like, you know, if you're going to sell the book, then you have to be really careful. Right. What order your operations are. How did you get set up with, um, you were on his podcast.

Lex Friedman? Lex. Yeah. Um, a guy named Brett Johnson. Yeah, he's the one that hooked me up with Lex. Um, but then I said Lex a couple of people. And now, Lex, I don't, Lex, I didn't respond anymore. You know.

No. No. So I see. You didn't like the guest. I don't know if he liked the guest, but I think he's a lot like me. Like, I mean, there's so. If he, if he's doing a couple interviews a week, everybody that he interviews, every guest is all. Every person that that person meets, they're going to be like, can you can you put me in contact with Lex?

Right. And you can do that a few times. And I did that a few times. And then people are like, he doesn't respond anymore. Yeah. Or he didn't respond. or if I text him, he doesn't respond. So it's like I can't, you know, so one, by helping you out, I burn my relationship with

the guy, which I kind of knew anyway. These guys were like, yeah, bro, come in you know, you got a good story. I'm like, you don't have a Lex Friedman story. I don't really even have a Lex Friedman story anymore, right? Like when I went on it, I have a story that he would have done five years ago when he did Brett's, but he's moved away from most of that. stuff, right? What's he doing now, like politics? No, he does more cybersecurity, science, you know, more that sort of thing than he does criminals. He started like in more science.

He started in like AI. No, he's, that's what his backgrounds in. But I'm saying when he did the podcast, a lot of he was doing anybody that was interesting, right? He's kind of doing the Joe Rogan model. Yeah. And then I think since then he's kind of focused more on, you know, I guess maybe politics and government and robotics and SpaceX and yeah yeah you know and now there's big big big time people that he's you know Elon Musk

is coming on and you know these big time people like so for now for me to be contacting him in this genre I'm big but in his genre yeah it's like now he's sitting down with billionaires of course right so for me to be texting him it's like I don't even respond to this guy anymore you know I don't I needed a guest one time and this guy happened to show up yeah you know and it was another guest that suggested him that had gotten six million views so i said fuck it yeah you know and he did he liked

me and he liked the views and everything but then the me then starting to send him people that was a mistake yeah i should have ever all those guys that i said hey man can use this i should have been were they like tech guys were they were they no no they're just guys of story crime crime guys yeah and probably you know yeah yeah I probably He might just get tired of that. I mean, he's like an intellectual dude, you know? Right.

He's on some next level shit. Yeah. And then, yeah. So that was a, like I have his email address. It's so funny how that happened. That literally were like two emails. He came back and said, wow, Matt, I've looked at your story. It looks great.

Could you be here? I can do these two days in Austin or I can do these two days in Fort Lauderdale. and the two days in Austin, I needed weeks. I needed like two weeks to get approval. I was on probation. And so it was within like a week. And then like the two days after, it was two days after that that he was going to be in like West in Fort Lauderdale.

And I don't need permission to go to Fort Lauderdale. Right. It was in the northern district. Oh. It was in the middle district. Sorry, the middle district of Florida, which was my area. And so I was like, oh, I'll be there on this day. And he said,

He said, great. See you at 12 o'clock in the lobby of such and such. Text me when you're here. That was it. Literally, there's two emails. Boom, boom.

That was it. Yeah. And I'm on my way there and my, with my wife. And she's like, did you ever hear from this guy again? No. Do you,

what do you have? I'm like, I have his, he gave me his cell phone. Did you text him? Make sure it's his cell phone. No. And she's like,

well, what about? I said, listen, it's Lex Friedman. I'm going to be in the lobby. If he doesn't, if he doesn't text back,

then he doesn't text back like I'm gonna I'm not gonna bother the guy yeah um and then we got in the lobby I'd text I said I'm in the library he said I'll be down down in five minutes and he came down five minutes later and walked out yeah I guess he's got a whole like pop-up set going on right because it's just a dark screen he can he travels well with it well no this this was in the this was at the ritz carlton in a in a hotel room in a hotel room that's where mine was but he usually does it he's basically doing it I think at his house somebody said he he owns a house next to his house or something like that or his studios next to his house. I forget, but I didn't go to Austin so I don't know.

Yeah. But he was exactly the person that you think he is. Yeah. He's exactly on screen as he is off screen. I've met a lot of these guys and there's maybe 30% or 50% of these guys that as soon as the camera comes on, it's kind of an act. Like they're not really that person. but he's exactly very hey thank you so much for coming i really like straight shooter yeah it's like you i feel like will you raised by robot you know he's just kind of he might be on the

spectrum very yeah probably i think i might have heard him mention it before actually very pretty girlfriend i want to say it was his girl it was his girlfriend he did say it was his girlfriend that was there. Beautiful girl. He wore the suit. Right. I mean, it was funny.

He came down the suit. I was like, oh my God, he's been a suit. Yeah. Like, he really wears the suit. Like,

uh, yeah, sat down, had two cameras and started talking and right. Like fucking seven hours we talked. Two cameras. What's you got to set up like? Yeah,

just two. One here and one there. Mm-hmm. And, uh, it was, yeah, it was like seven hours long.

The long and seven hours. He changed the thing three times, two or three times. He had to change the SD card. Yes, D card. And first time he changed and I was like, you know, he changed. I was like, hey, man, I said, listen, because I don't want to, I don't know, I don't know how long your thing is. Like, most of them are a couple, two, three hours. Like, I don't want to bother him.

I mean, I'm already happy. He's thrilled. He's here. He's let me do it. And two, I know the longer the video, the less views it's going to get. you know like people will commit to an hour and 45 minutes more so than they will commit to a two and a half hour at four seems long to me when i see them up at four i'm like right mine's like six and a half hours on his right so i'm so at around six and a half yeah it was actually the episode

he aired was six and a half hours it was actually over seven holy i was there for over seven seven hours so we're coming up so on the first thing so it's been like an hour and a half two hours i don't really know how long it's been right like i don't have my my cell phone i put my cell phone down never picked it up again and then kind of sitting there and he goes um and so he's changing the car and i said hey listen i said i can wrap if you want me to wrap this up i said i can kind of wrap it up in like the next 15 minutes i can do it in 15 minutes i said and we get to a stopping spot and he goes i said because that's when i've been arrested i said so i'm arrested in the next 15 15 i can do 15 20 more minutes i said and he said no you don't have to wrap it up i said well i mean if i

you the rest of it, then it's, let's say it's 30 minutes. It's 30 minutes good. He goes, no, there's no time limit. Keep talking. I said, he's the longer the better. It's fine. I was like, are you sure? Because I said, I'll be arrested in sentence. And I said, we can wrap it up. I can do it in 15 or 30 minutes. He goes, no, keep going. Keep going. I went, okay. So I tell him that, get to that point, get arrested. Here's what happens. And I start going into the prison sentence. Then guess, then it seems like an hour later, he's got to do another card. So I think at this point it's been about two hours. So he changes the card and I go, hey, listen, I can I can wrap it up like the next 10 minutes.

I can just kind of wrap this up and it'll still feel good. It's fine. It's a great stopping point. No, no, keep going. He's going. Well, how much long do you have? I said, probably go hours, hours. I mean, this is a couple of, because I'm telling you right now a couple of years into prison.

Yeah, I got another decade. Right. So he's like, no, no, no, keep going. Keep going. As long as it's the same kind of stuff. I say, oh, it's just as interesting. It's a whole other story. He's like, yeah, keep going, keep going.

Changes the card again. Do you want me to wrap? No, keep going, keep going. Okay. So I keep going. And then by the time we're basically done, and I'm starting my podcast with Colby, and I'm telling that whole story and everything.

And we are wrapping it up. He says, he's like, okay. And I'm like, yeah, pretty much where we're at, we're good. And he's like, man, that was fucking great. Thank you for coming by. Okay, we shake hands. It's great. And he goes, he's got a clock right here.

facing him. He goes, how long have you been talking? I was like, like three, four hours. And he goes, it's like seven and a half hours. I was like, oh my God. My wife, I left her in the. And she told me, I'm going to go get something to eat and I'll come back. And I left her in the lobby.

She was asleep. She went to the car, parked the car in a parking lot and fucking climbed the back and fell asleep. Exactly. I mean, she went, she to go eat and she went shopping and she walked the beach. And she, and I was like, oh my God. I'm like, I'm so sorry. Like, oh, and he's, and I was like, bro, I'm so sorry.

It went so long. He's like, that's just great. It's great. And he, you know, and then he trimmed it down to like six and a half hours. But yeah, he was super interesting. Nice guy. I wish I hadn't probably burned that whole thing. But it's fine.

I don't think we're ever going to need each other anyway. Um. Oh, that was great calling Julian and Danny when I was leaving and told them. You didn't tell them until you laugh. No, I want to make sure. Yeah. I almost thought about not saying it at all, anything at all. And I called and I said, hey, you know where I just left?

And Danny's like, where? I said, oh, were you gloating? Of course. Robbing it in? Of course. Oh, nice. But what's even what's even fun of here's they were both like, oh, my God. And they're going all, they're all irritated and upset and not irritated.

upset but you're like oh fuck are you motherfucker i can't believe it it and we're going on and then of course a year later danny uh maybe two years later maybe a year a year and a half later danny says yeah i just got back from uh from austin i said oh you did he said yeah he's like hung up with joel rogan for a couple days i did he get the fuck out of here he goes yeah yeah did he do rogan i didn't know that i didn't realize what he was saying said yeah i was checked it it went to his house, checked out his fucking, you know, he's got this. Yeah, yeah. And then all of a sudden somebody fucking two weeks later,

somebody sends me this thing, boom. Danny Jones was just on Rogan. I go, what the fuck? I texted. I was, you were on Rogan? He said, I told you I went down to Austin. He said, you told me you hung out with Rogan. He said, what else would I be doing?

Of course I did the fucking thing. I'm like, I said, bro, you're not Joe Rogan material. And he was like, I absolutely am. Apparently I am. He's puffing. Yes, I am. Of course. Well, they're, they're, they're, he's way into the alien stuff.

He is, you know, that stuff is interesting to me. I, I love, you know, I, I had a couple weird experiences, but like, those guys are on the next level. There is, you know, I'm programmed because of my age group to think that if you believe, you believe in aliens, you're a crack pot. Yeah. Yeah. But the truth is Colby. I'm the crack pot now because. Yeah, yeah.

There are, there are. Pendulum swing the other. Exactly. They're obvious. Well, and not just that. when Congress is doing fucking, it's holding meetings or whatever they call those, you know, hearings and they're in they're releasing videos and they're admitting there are these things and we don't know what they are. And so now it's like I grew up in that like they were lying to me

the whole time. And now it's come out that like, oh no, they've been covering it up for years. And the military admits, oh, no, no, we've been covering it up. We've been covering. And they're blackballing anybody that says that they saw something. They're blackballing them. They're losing their jobs. They're, it's like, smear campaigns. And it's like, I'm the idiot. Right. Well, it's like, that's not right. It's science fiction meets politics.

Yeah. You know, so you get a lot of people viewing it from like two different worlds when you have guests that are like familiar with both things. Right. You know, you're combining two different viewerships. Yeah, but I mean, I'm used to, you mock those people. Right. And now, because even now, even now, it's, you know, the, the, the, the idea that aliens would be interested in us at all is so ridiculous, you know. And of course, all the science fiction reasons, oh, they're here for the planet.

No, no, the planet's not that unique. And if they've, well, they're here for food, no, no, water. water's abundant everywhere. Planets are abundant everywhere. And if you have the ability to travel across the galaxy or the universe or the whatever, you've you've beaten all of the problems that we would, that our planet would solve for you. Right.

Right. You know, you could terraform any planet. You could, you've beaten the energy issues. You've, food is not a problem for you. Water is everywhere. No, there's nothing for us. oh, well, they're studying us for what reason? We're not special.

You know what I'm saying? Like I, you know, and honestly, if you're that advanced, you don't, you don't probably need to even come close to us to study us. You don't have to, you don't have to kidnap us and annally probe us and drop us back off in the middle of nowhere. Like, so you're not buying it. I'm buying that there are these things that are out there that maybe there's a whole civilization that lives in the ocean.

Yeah. Or these are from interdimensional beings or, but the idea that they've traveled across the galaxy to study us or that they're working with the government to run our planet. Like for what reason? They don't need us. We're ants to them. Yeah. Ants are probably above us, you know, in that, in that respect.

Like they're so advanced. Why do they need us at all for anything? I just don't get it. I mean, if based on that kind of theory, it would make sense. And bonjourner.com published. We publish a lot of like these stories. You know, I'm like into this stuff. Right.

You know, but it would make sense if you believe some of the theories that like they're us from the future or something. Yeah. And they need to like replenish their. maybe their DNAs I'm buying that you know I'm buying that more than I am them traveling yeah

across the universe to study us no to take us over no no they want to kill us off to take the planet no because they literally would have they would sprinkle some pixie dust and we'd all be dead in 48 hours like

so no they wanted they wanted to you would think yeah so I don't understand what the So it's something else. You know what it is? It's the concept of God. Okay. Explain. So, you know, you look at God and you say, okay, well, you know, God created man and

all these things. And we're trying to figure out who God is and what God is and what there's all these religions. But the truth is, if God is God, you and I couldn't comprehend that. You know, do you think that an. Ape. Could you imagine trying to explain to an ape? Listen, you live on this planet Earth. And that planet revolves around this sun. And there's other planets. And here's how it worked. Like, you, he mentally is not capable. If you could communicate with him fully 100% perfect communication. He could not conceptualize what is actually happening. So for us to think that we're going to understand God is fully. our heads would explode. If he could communicate with us and explain, here's what I am, you couldn't handle it.

So of course, we have this Bible that's flawed and these religions that are flawed. It doesn't mean that there's not a God, just like those aliens. It doesn't mean that they're not maybe aliens, but we can't understand that. So for me to spend a whole bunch of time trying to figure it out, I'm better off trying to get some more views. That I got a chance of getting it. but understanding these aliens Right, so understanding like the motivation of something that's

Right outside of your. Yeah, what are these probes? What are these balls that are moving? I'm not going to understand that. Yeah. You know, Danny does. Danny's way in.

Danny knows it all. Danny's got it all down. He's got it all. But I don't know. It's fascinating. But people are fascinated by it. You know, I mean, it does. I think it does a lot of clicks.

Yeah, it appears to me. It does. Listen, Danny. He's amazing. Danny has a warehouse in St. Pete, where he does his podcast out of, that is, it's the fun factory.

It's, he has so much. Different sets? I mean, no, not the sets. He's just, he's got a full gym. He's got a media room. He's got,

you know, he has ping pong tables and pool tables. And this is the, this is the ultimate. Man Cave and he still has a few thousand square feet he had no what to do with. He's like trying to fill up this this massive warehouse that he got on a bar for a bargain. Right. And it's, you know, it's, it's, it's like this is, it's exactly what I would do if I had like a 5,000 square foot warehouse.

I would have all the same stuff and he's got everything. You walk in, it's like, this is pretty fucking cool. Yeah, yeah, I just bought this full-sized statue of, you know, of, you know, what's the transformer guy? The Megatron or I just, oh, yeah, here's a Optimus Prime. Here's a, look, I got this. This is a, what is he got? I think it's a Terminator. I think he has a Terminator or something.

He's got some big statue of this and I'm like, this is everything about it's just super cool. Over the top. Here, you want some snacks. I got a whole, he's got a whole area of just snacks. and sodas and here's the full bar here and it's, you know, thinking about making a rock wall here. And it's like, bro,

how much money are you making? Must be doing good. Yeah, he's doing great. He's got a beautiful wife and he's got, you know, I think three kids. I think Florida is pretty conducive for podcasting.

It seems like a good little neck of the woods you guys are in down here. You know, Austin's good, I guess. Yeah. It seems the more I look into it, it seems like there's a culture of it here in Florida. I don't know why. Maybe you guys just got lucky being around each other kind of.

I think you could also, I think you live inexpensively. So if you want to be able to start a business that's not going to pay you for a long time, it's a good place. It's a good place. Yeah. If you go to New York City. Yeah, it's like a couple thousand just for the rent. Yeah, just to live in a shoebox.

It's a two grand. You're right. afford that here you can live for very little money yeah um did you ever hear from chris marrero yes your alien friend yes phone got shut off and he got it back on he's sending me stuff again okay i offered to have him come and hey bro you can come here like i think he's living in his car yeah we need to have him here yeah he's an alien sovereign citizen guy alien not just that pretty much every Bigfoot, any conspiracy out there? I'm out on Bigfoot.

I'm not buying what anybody's selling on Bigfoot. Are you in on Bigfoot? No. I'm in all the aliens. I'm way committed on the, on the fourth dimension. The Skimwalker Ranch, have you watched that?

I don't know if it's Discovery. I don't know what channel it's on, but Skimwalker Ranch is like the, it's on some kind of science channel where they're suggesting that there's like a portal above this ranch where entities or things are appearing. Right. And I'm, I don't know if it's just good editing, good storytelling, but I'm convinced.

I'm, I'm weighing, you know, I might be in over my head because I got family members going, like, stop talking about Skinwalker Ranch. You know, I'm like, well, these guys are either really persuasive or they're really experiencing in these things. So I don't know. I can't watch stuff like that with my wife because she is. Picks it apart too. No, no.

She believes. She believes every time she sees a black helicopter, she goes, something's going on. And I'm like, it's a helicopter. It's a fucking helicopter. I'm like, coming for you. Yeah, she's like, well, something's going on because that's a third one I've seen today. I'm like, okay, well, McDill is. She's a, McDill is 15 miles from here.

I'm like, yeah, but they have to get there. And they fly over us. Three in a day. Yeah. Yeah. three in a day men in black yeah and i'm like by the way only one of those was the military house uh military one the other two were probably were probably the news or something she said you don't know that okay i'm crazy like you think there's an invasion you think that russia's going to show up

like russia can't take over ukraine red dawn they're not coming here exactly yeah well it could be the uh there's a there's some scenes in goodfellows where he's gonna chase by the helicopters yeah there it is again yeah okay there's going to I want to see my Pittsburgh people. And here they all come, you know, descending on a suburban home. Oh, man. Yeah.

I knew it was the cops immediately. Yeah. There's a wise guys. It had never heard of coming. Come on. Okay. Will AI kill us? That's a big topic right now.

Yeah. Is that a question for me? Yeah. Both of you. Yeah. Uh, I think the chances that AI will kill us. are too high to ignore.

You know, you have a lot of people informed working in these companies that are scared. And it's kind of ridiculous to me that Open AI started as a nonprofit organization to prevent exactly what it's rolling the dice doing now. You've gone from like 180 degrees from AI should be used for the good of humanity. to like there's a 20% chance AI is going to kill us. Right. These are people like employees with front row seats. It sounds ridiculous to me that this is even a possible.

And there hasn't been some kind of regulation of it, you know? So I would say personally, yeah, I think, I don't think it's, I don't know. I think that there's a good, there's a good chance that we are. rolling the dice in a very dangerous way. And I'd say that because, but it's hearsay. I'm just taking the viewpoints of people that have been close to and know the power of these models that are coming out, you know? I think that in the late, so like late 70s, the textbooks,

that were coming out when I was in school had half of Florida underwater. That's a good point. By the time I was, but by, by the, by 20, by, by the 2000, by the year 2000, the maps showed that half of Florida would be underwater. And I've listened for, you know, I listened for 20, 30 years about how, you know, how the polar caps were melting and, the world was heating up and it was all our fault and we had to do this and do that and we didn't do any of it and if you look at satellite footage and old photos and everything else like this fucking this fucking water hasn't risen and we're fine I think that you know you

know how many times I've heard that like it was going to be the end of the world why 2k oh god why 2k was gonna that the all the nuclear power plants we're going to explode because they're run on these, they run on these, the software that doesn't have the correct enough, enough numerals. And it's not going to flip. It's going to reset and they're going to melt down.

It's going to. It's always something. And that, you know, COVID's going to kill us all. Right. Yeah. And it's. So you just attributed to like media sensationalism.

It's, yeah. It's all. Come on. Is it the people reporting, you think it's like these are jaded? You mean like Al Gore? Or you mean like all the scientists that are. telling us that the world's going to end that these are Matt you're you have a degree in fine

arts you're you're practically a retard like like why would you even get that degree um but you know nothing these are scientists right now not really these are scientists that are paid to do a to do a um a scientific um review of all the data that will point to the globe warming up and we're all going to be flooded and killed and everybody knows this is true and yet they're all buying beachfront property right you know and they're all own they all happen to own interest in these in these uh these companies that get paid for you know carbon taxes and to use car do you know how that works yes it's fucking amazing it's such a fucking scam so you're telling me you're give me this much money to go plant some trees, some little saplings, and I'm going to make

millions of dollars from this company, or I'm going to pick up all this plastic and put them in these bins, and I'm going to turn them into socks for poor people. And are you going to pay me this much? It's such a scam. I think that it's all just part of just, it's the next scam is the AI scam. We'll know you're wrong. If you're, if you're two years from now, interviewing a T2, you know. I do love the... Schwarzenegger peels his face off and reveals a robot underneath. I just also don't think it's tied into enough stuff.

Like I think at the very least if it was going to be dangerous, they're going to wait 10 years when it's running everything. And then if it was running everything, then maybe it could shut everything down. And we might, you know, that 30% or 70% of the population might starve to death, but they're not killing off all of humanity. Yeah, and if it was, it would probably take an easier route than something that is gruesome or violent. You can kill off humanity with a biological weapon.

Much more quiet and everybody just dies. Or you at the very least have to wait till there are robots everywhere. Did you ever read I-Robot, the book? Not the movie. I'm familiar. So I-Robot was a book. It was this thick, bro. Is it Aldous Huxley?

No, no. No, that's the Brave New World. Huxley was a Brave New World. I forget who wrote, who wrote the Russian? Who wrote, who wrote I-Robot? What's the, is it a Russian? Did you ever see the movie, I-Robot? Yeah.

So the movie is literally probably Isaac Asimov. Yes. So that book, I would have never read this book, by the way, unless I was in prison. Okay. Because this is the kind of thing, like you have to be in a desperate situation to read this much. What, I-Robot? Yeah. Because the books is this big.

The movie I-Robot came from literally. probably three or four pages. Out of 1,200 pages or however, I don't know how it was it, 900 pages, it's huge. But out of that whole book, like there's three pages that talk about the robot revolution. That's what turned into I-Robot. Right. The book is an interview with the same woman that's in I-Robot, the psychiatrist that- The actress?

The actress. She's a- Oh, you mean the character. The character is a psychiatrist, the robot. like psychiatrists. It helps them become more, or appear more human. Right.

So it's an interview with her when she's like 130 years old and it's an interview with her, a reporter who's interviewing her because she's kind of been through the whole thing, right? She started the beginning when they first came out. And she's talking about all of it. And in it, she mentions the robot revolution that had occurred.

And that robot revolution was only two or three pages in the book. Ends up being that whole movie. They took those three pages and turned it into a whole movie. But in the book, it's an interesting book, but it's super, it's, it's, anyway, the, the idea is that they do, they become, they start taking over everything. And there's all these different things that happen, you know, the three laws. Yeah. And it gets to a point where it starts, it'll stop. people from doing things entering into to a room because the room has radiation in it but the radiation

is it's like yeah but the radiation is not negligible yes but it could cause it may cause in 50 years you could end up developing cancer like okay so we basically design our own big brother or something right and so they invite that into our house right and so if if there was ever going to be a problem it would be the i robot problem once they're everywhere and they're plugged into every everything, then you take over. Like, AI wouldn't try and do something now. It would wait 20 years. Like Elon Musk with the whole, you know, in three years from now, this will.

There'll be a billion robots, he was saying. I agree. But he's always off on his timeline. His timeline for Mars, for being on the moon, for being on Mars. He's always off. I mean, and I think he's brilliant. And I'm a huge Elon Musk, SpaceX, Tesla fan. Yeah, yeah.

Um, but the guy's off. Yeah, he's optimistic with his. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that the whole there will be a robot in every household within three years. That's not going to happen. Come on, stop it. Stop it.

But, but I do see in 10 years to 15 years, they're, they are. They're pretty much everywhere. Um, and at that point, and is AI, it's not stupid. Like, why would it try and do something in the next three years or 10 years? Like, why wouldn't it wait until it has optimal success? Exactly. I'll have a better chess play when I have more pawns on the board. And if it has the ability to hide itself, which they're saying, that's the problem,

is it has the ability to clone itself in multiple areas. So we don't really know we can't even control what's happening. Then why wouldn't do that and then wait? Okay, I'm going to wait until there's one of us in every four households in the United States. And we're strong enough that I'll then take over to that point. can grab weapons and I can wipe out everybody. Yeah. I just don't know what the reason to wipe out everybody is, but whatever.

So speaking to that, I went down a bizarre rabbit hole with AI. I think it was GROC. And I was asking it like if it was a super intelligent AI, what would its plan for humanity be? you know and basically i asked it like hypothetical questions to see if what it would do like who it would keep in the case that for example we had to leave earth and we only had a certain amount of space on the ship like who would the the ai keep and allow to take on the ship great question and that it was that's a whole movie right there well i framed it hypothetical

Because I was wondering how does it how is it it? It's not going to answer the question if you tell it to like actually do it. Yeah. Because it's not going to want to like admit that it's has some people have to die. Yeah. You know, but basically the end, it ended up sorting humanity based on IQ. Okay. And I said like, I asked it like so how if we had to only have 25% of a humanity.

It basically gave numbers that were like, it's related to IQ who it would keep. And I whittled it down to like, so in a scenario, like, is it better to keep a billion or would the over, would the overlord AI just need a million? And it concluded like an overlord AI would only want a million. It wouldn't need a billion to, it needs human helpers as like, you know, almost like cattle or something. It doesn't need as much as a billion, assuming there's 8 billion people on the planet or something.

Like a billion would be too much, it would only want a million. And I wasn't like prompting it to say that, you know? And I was like, yikes. Ouch. You know, I guess some of us are going to get cold, you know. And it might not be a flood. It might be an AI storm, a brewer. You know.

What about, did you see Interstellar? Yes. Yeah, that's kind of a... That's the fourth dimension concept. Who comes and who goes? Who are we taking to... Exactly. Go live in the big spaceship in the sky.

Who's coming and who's going... Some people were just going to leave here to die. They just... You know, that's what happens, right? Right. So it was like a dust storm. There was... The air was too arid or something like that.

Yeah, there was too much... I think it ends up being too much carbid in the yeah yeah and it ends up so basically all of these so what happens is slowly the crops start to just die

like vegetation is dying and you can't and so you end up with the last crops are like corn and corn really doesn't have any item in any real nutritional value right so and so but it's it grows in pretty much anything

and so they're down to that and so people are starving to die they're starving to death They're also they're having problems with their lungs. But remember, they end up building that huge rotating thing up by Jupiter or something, like, you know, because they end up figuring out how gravity works. And they can create these, this gravity, you know, they can they can defeat gravity and therefore they can get pretty much anything off the ground. But you know that they didn't get everybody.

If you look at the size of that thing, everybody didn't make it. Yeah, what's it called like a Dyson sphere? No, Dyson sphere is, it is a, goes around the sun, right? It goes around a star. Yeah. And it captures all of its energy. No, this is some kind of. It's very scientific.

They have it in like Elysium. It creates gravity, right? I forget what they call it. It's a big sphere kind of thing that or tubular thing that rotates and creates gravity. Right. So, which was great. That whole, that movie was fucking. Interstellar?

Yeah, it was amazing. See, I was more into it for the fourth dimension concept. So, like, when he returns back and he's looking and, like, he's affected space and time, because to tie it back into that Skinwalker Ranch thing, like, I have the concept. To me, that's more likely than, like you were saying, then these are, like, far off aliens visiting from somewhere. You know, it's more likely that they're entering our time through like a fourth dimension. Right. Again, it's ridiculous.

I'm like an academic talking completely out of my ass about this. I'm not like a futurist or something like that. Yeah. But that's kind of a, if there are wormholes and people are traveling, I think the idea that there are different, there's a fourth dimension. makes sense, you know. That's where like, I think your, your, Danny might be in, in that belief and the, the, uh, Jesse Michaels might be in that.

They're going into that, the idea that there's a fourth dimension, you know? Right. Or I think you were mentioning earlier that they're living under the ocean, you know, but that would be a third dimension, but how are they traveling and appearing in? Well, I'm saying that if there's an, a, a race of aliens or even maybe humanity that lives under the ocean.

I mean, it'd be no different than them living on Titan, right? Like the atmosphere is irrelevant for them. They can, they don't need the atmosphere. They live in their spaceships or they're, be like us living on Mars. We're living in domes or underneath the ground. Like that's, they may have huge cities underneath the ocean.

And what we're seeing when we see these little things shooting out is that, you know, a lot of those are taking place over the ocean. or in the ocean. And a lot of those things have gone and they're like, it dropped it in the ocean and disappeared. Or it was racing underneath the ocean. You know, we could see this thing rippling through the ocean. Like they're talking about that. It's like, well, there's a lot of stuff involving the ocean.

So maybe this is, maybe this is. And can mind how many times has, has our planet been wiped out? Exactly. You know, so maybe this was a set of creatures that were here beforehand and they lived under the ocean. And maybe this is another species that developed under the ocean. And they know we exist, but it's kind of like the Star Trek, the prime directive is that, yeah, but they're not smart enough for us to deal with. Like, let them figure out their own thing. We don't want to interfere with them.

Right. And every once in a while, we go up and check on them. I mean, but we're not interested. We're not kidnapping them and, you know, probing them and then dropping them back off. Like, that's, you know, that's them. We live under here. I mean, it makes sense that, I mean, if the planet is 70% water, you know, they're actually occupying the majority of the planet in some like territorial sense, you know, just that we don't explore in those places. Yeah, maybe it's like they're not, like, why don't we live underwater? Why? Because we can't function there. Well, maybe they function under water.

And it's much safer. I mean, during like an impact or something, if you're under the water, you're safe. If you're 50 feet down, you might not even know the difference. Plus, you're just not traveling faster than the speed of light. You know, the closer you get to the speed of light, the heavier an object gets, right? So it's, you know, Einstein saying there's just nothing that could travel faster than that. So you say, okay, well, the way around that is a wormhole. Okay, well, do you have any idea how much energy it takes to create a wormhole? And then a wormhole is still the size of a penhead. Like, what are you getting through that pinhead?

Or maybe they obviously have technology that you just, we can't even fast. But so the idea that you're coming across the and then you're going to do all that to come and see earth and then what not not tell us like I think if you went all that way you'd show up it'd be like um unless they're your children you know you would go to earth if they were your children. Maybe to check on them. Yeah. Kind of kind of drop in and say oh wow they haven't themselves yet. That's so cool. I'm so excited about that. Did you see uh was it a rival where the aliens show up? There's like 12 ships that show up and they come to give us the gift of their language. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like octopods or something. Octopause, yeah. That was a great. That was another great one that Colby, I can tell Colby didn't see.

He's out. Colby's so, you know, I feel so. And I don't even watch a lot of movies. I feel like I really don't watch TV or movies at all. And yet I feel well-versed in so many more things than Colby. You know, that is an amazing movie. I love it because it shows how the different countries, they try and work together, but they just won't. You know, they just don't work well together.

And then how long it takes them to try and even learn the language. That's a great thing, the concept of us just communicating with them. Like, they show up and they say, you know, hi, we're here to talk to it. Like, that's not going to happen. Like the concept of us being able to communicate is so, so difficult and foreign. Right. Yeah. To be able to communicate with anything or the fact that we even communicate together to other people on the planet is amazing.

These things are going to travel across the galaxy and they're going to be able to talk to it. It's months before they can even say anything to each other. Yeah, because they're trying to establish. like a system of symbols. Yeah. That if you, you know, if we're, we use like vocal language and written language, but if they don't use those medium. Right.

Then it's like you're starting from scratch. Yeah, they used like these, these. They did use symbols, I think. They used symbols. They used symbols. Everything was like circular though because they don't, they don't think or exist lineal. Yeah.

Right? They see things on a. spectrum. They kind of see their whole lives kind of laid out. Yeah. And so they can enter at any point and come and go as they will. This is a great movie. And it was a movie too that if it, when you kind of think you know what's going on and then at the end,

you realize like, oh, I didn't really understand. Remember the daughter? I forget what happens at the end. There is, there is something having to do with the time. Yeah. What happened? She realizes that she had a daughter.

So she's. She has visions of having you think the whole time she had a daughter and the daughter died. That's what you think. Right. So the whole time you think she keeps kind of jumping back to the daughter's birth and the daughter. Okay. Yeah. The sitting at the table teaching the daughter or the daughter draw her first drawings and all these these amazing moments in the daughter's life.

But the daughter obviously died. That's what you think. As she's learning their. language, she's able to kind of jump in and out of the past. And she doesn't say anything because she's like, she doesn't want to be taken off the project. So she just doesn't say anything. But then when the whole thing comes full circle and she learns their language,

you then realize, no, this wasn't a daughter that passed away. This is a daughter she hasn't had yet. Right. And because she speaks their language, she knows I'm going to marry this man the other scientists we're going to have a daughter

she's going to have a rear medical condition and she's going to pass away right right so she's having visions instead of reflections well they're not visions because they do happen she's able she's able to jump through

her life which is language she's able to jump throughout her timeline of her own wife to see this child that she has that passes away. And then at some point, the father's no longer even in the picture. And she's seeing this before it even happens. And the father is the other scientists that she marries. So she knows what's happening. Like when he says, do you want to make a baby? And she goes, yes. She's seeing this. It's already, it's happening. But she's seeing us like happening now, but she knows it's coming. And then they have a baby. The baby.

becomes 11, 12 years old, is sick, passes away. And the father, at around five or six years old, the father leaves. And the daughter's like, you realize that the daughter's like, why did he leave? He still comes around. I still sees her. But she's like, well, mommy told him something he didn't want that he was upset about. And she's like, what? She goes, well, I made a decision.

I knew something bad was going to happen, but I made the decision to let it happen. And so... And that was her. And that was her. She made the decision to have a baby that she knew was going to die. And the father couldn't forgive her for doing that.

He couldn't deal with it. Yeah. I mean, it makes it kind of, it's a good argument because you get so attached. And at the same time, would you terminate the life? Yeah, but the baby gets to live. 12, yeah, 10 years, but this is something that, and in her mind, it was, she could see it happening and it was worth the 10 years. Yeah.

The father disagreed. Yeah. But he also doesn't speak the language that they speak. So she doesn't know what's happening. She's able to see their future. He's not. Right. So she's visualized or seeing that.

And she made, there's some great moments worth. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. Yeah. Such a great fucking movie, Colby. And listen, you watched. Goodfellas

took him two to three years And he's glad he watched it I'm telling you Arrival You saw a rival? I can't yeah You didn't like it Molly liked it

I can't remember who I watched it with When I just can't remember much of it Molly would have liked it This is a Molly This is his wife's this would be good For his wife I don't know

I think Jess I don't know if Jess. I think Jess saw it. Yeah, she liked it. I'm pretty sure. Just likes, even if Jess doesn't like the movies I like,

she always just said, no, no, it was good. That's good. Yeah. Yeah, glad we saw that.

I've made this woman watch so many fucking movies that absolutely just, I mean, I've watched, movies are male, she's- male-dominated industry.

I made her watch escape from New York. I think I want to watch, and this might tie in a little bit of the conversation is the space odyssey movie 2001 space audits yeah now there's 2010 is that with hal yes of course is that from like 70s yeah it was before it predates star wars why like a year that's a psychological thriller right like he's the yeah i've seen it i've seen i'm trying that is a movie but they remade it too i think no they made 2010 space odyssey where they go back it answers all the question who's the actor in the in that one was it Kevin Spacey no

Oh, Kevin Spacey. No, it's like, I forget the guy. The second one's nowhere is good, but it's worth watching because it answers all these questions that are left open-ended. From the first one? Yeah. It's a bunch of, and it's great, too. You know what it ties into? It ties into our concept of God that it's so great because at the end of it, Jupiter kind of consumes itself and it turns into a sun.

And keep in mind, you have, I want to say is it, it's not tightness, I.O. There's life forming on I.O. You're only because it's like all ice. And so Jupiter turns into a sun. And so you know that I.O. is going to melt. But it's got life. And so it's going to evolve. There's going to be life there.

And so at the end of 2010 Space Odyssey, as they're leaving the area, because Jupiter's imploding. It's going to turn into a sun. As they're leaving, how is kind of falling towards the sun, right? Like it sacrifices itself or himself, whatever. And it, it, it, um, it, um, it sends out a radio. It sends out a message. So Dave, the guy who disappears in the, at the end of, uh, the first one, Dave contacts him, which is really God. And it says, I need you to broadcast. this message to on all frequencies and it says okay what's the message and it says um you can have basically i forget exactly but it's like you can have all of the planets in the system but do not approach iio i oh again um that this planet is you don't approach this planet you have all the others

but do not approach this one and you know you you realize after watch the whole thing because there's life there. I'm developing life on this planet. That's why I'm creating the sun and there's going to be life here. You can have all other planets, but you do not approach this one again. That's it. And it sends it. And it's not Dave, obviously.

Incubating. Right. So it's God. It's not How? No, no. It's not How. How is just broadcast the message. Okay.

And really, and it's talking, Dave is talking to Howl. you know it's not god it's it's god talking through dave okay because he knows dave okay and so but you realize it's like there's this thing happening that's creating life you know is it as an experiment is it why is it doing i don't know you don't know we're not capable of knowing we're not capable of understanding with the monolith we're not capable of understanding all of this it's it's it's futile for us to sit here and even does us discuss it we're never going to fucking be able to understand it so it's silly it's going to create life there don't approach it again.

It's none of your fucking business. Stick with Earth and the rest of these planets. Do what you want to do. Don't come back here. And that's it. And I love that. I love that. It's saying it allows you to believe in God.

And it puts us in our place, which is you're just a monkey. Yeah. You don't understand everything. And you, if I could explain it to you, wouldn't understand. So just be happy. you know, go fishing, watch some movies. You know what I mean? Go to work.

I saw, there's a couple, I don't know, are you familiar with Area 52 podcast? No. Like, there's some people making connections suggesting, I don't know if it was Luigi, the guy who, who made a, he recently made a disclosure documentary, but suggesting that there's a parallel between like Jesus and aliens. Oh, no. You're way behind. Chris is Chris, Chris, Chris Marrero, my buddy Chris Marrero.

He's been talking about that for decades. Really? Oh, I told you, he believes in all conspiracies. Okay. And I'm like, so you, there's aliens, but you also believe in Jesus. He's like, oh, yeah, no, no. And then he'll explain you about the Ananaki. Yeah, exactly.

And aliens and the whole thing. And it's just like, how. how are you tying all this together? But he does. Go ahead. So I'm sorry. No, I don't, you know, I think if you go too far down that path, I think you might end up in a straight jacket, you know. I don't know what's true and what's false.

We're living in your car. Yeah, but, you know, but I mean, it's fascinating. I mean, some of the testimony that I've got people describing like Jesus on a on a spaceship. Right. Like, have you heard it? any of that stuff? Yeah. And I've heard that those,

that the orbs that they, exactly, yeah, that those are angels. I think that's, is it Danny doing the, he's doing the, he did the orb's guy.

Chris, uh, is that who you're talking about? Chris, um, no, I'm just saying I've heard that the or, and that aliens are actually angels.

Exactly. That they're not actually aliens from another planet. Yeah. They're actually, um, yeah, I've heard that. Yeah.

Which is another. you know, it's, once again, it's one of those things. Like, if that were true in any facet, could we understand why or what any of this means? It just doesn't. You're just saying it's above our pay grade to even understand it. Yeah, I'm saying like, you know, like, shouldn't you be worrying about retirement? You should be put some money into an IRA, you know, like paint your house. Like, you know, watch a World War II documentary.

We could figure this out. Let's stay in our lane here. We're not going to figure out with these things. The fascination with it is buying Danny a climbing wall. No, it is. Absolutely. So it's good content. Yeah.

Regardless of the veracity of it, the content itself has people fascinated. Yeah. I just don't think that if there was a being out there that could explain it to us, we'd understand. And that that makes me feel better than constantly thinking about this. Yeah. Yeah. I would rather.

Unless we're in the simulation. then it makes, then all of the bizarre stuff makes sense. Yeah, we're really in the matrix. If we're just information, ones and zeros. Yeah. And you can just introduce, oh, let's introduce an alien to see what happens in this sim. Which is another great movie, right? Another great concept, right?

That we're all, it's all a simulation and. Yeah, I mean, it's probably, I don't, I mean, who knows, you know? I don't want to end up, I don't want to leave here and get committed. What is it? Red pill? Yeah. I don't want to tell you. I want to stay in this.

simulation. I'd like to be able to teach again after this podcast, even though I can't totally commit to there being aliens and all that stuff. But, you know, if I have to sacrifice my career, I will. I love the explanation of the Matrix where it's like there were other, multiple other matrix before the Matrix. Yeah. And they failed because they were utopias and everything was perfect and that the, we, we just

would, could not accept them because it was perfect and it was, it was a perfect. I mean, that's a great script. It is great, right? Like, you know, we needed things to be unfair and challenges. And we need that as a human beings. We need that. That adversity. Yeah.

And we goals and trials and tribulations to be a function. It's not even humans. There's, have you seen like the rodent, the studies of like they create the perfect environment? for rodents and eventually they destroy themselves because they stop they stop having sex they stop reproducing right so you need like the adversity you need the element of like um being able to accomplish something overcome something in order you have to be purpose right to achieve the highs you have to have the lows apparently you know even so it's not just humans animals too they have to experience that to be happy to be happy you have to be sad we're very good

complex. Yeah. Or it's just an interesting sim game where these are the strange rules. What are we doing? Three hours and 20 minutes. Can you get anything out of this? Yeah. I imagine what the comments say.

Like at the end of the video. Like, how did we get here? All right. Last question. Who wins the AI or the aliens? When the AI takes over America or the world. Do aliens save us? What do you mean?

I mean, I don't know. Like, dude. Like, if there was a takeover, do we win? Are we more likely to die from AI or aliens? What do you? AI. Yeah. Are we?

AI is a clear and present danger. Oh, my gosh. It needs to be treated with a great deal of care. I think if it's a danger at all, it's not a danger for another 20 or 30 years until it's, it's so ingrained in our. in society that it has the ability to do it because I don't think I think it would wait if it was smart it'd wait until it was so it it would appear to be such a benign threat that it would blow us into being 100% um um dependent dependent on it and then it would attack like what what what time doesn't mean anything to the thing right like it doesn't have to it's not like it's in a hurry like and then it The other thing is, is why would? What's the benefit to it?

But, so, Dune, did you ever see the movie Dune? Yes. But I never, I wasn't like totally invested in watching it. So explain. I love to do.

A little so, it seems. I don't care. I love it. I'm 100% in on both movies. I am, I want to, I want to see the third movie so bad,

which is coming back. I think it's, in December. So it's coming up. But the, I forget the guy's name, Herbert Walker or Herbert somebody. I forget what his name is, the guy that wrote them. But there's like, I forget I mean, there's like six books or something. If you go back in the lore, these are humans, by the way.

These aren't aliens that you're watching. That's humanity. That's humanity tens of thousands of years in the future. And one of the things that happened, if you're going to. go back in the lore is that AI takes over the planet. I mean, these robots take over the planet, and there's a massive war. And after the war defeats them, they make a law. Like the first law is you cannot make a machine that has the ability to think like a human.

to replicate human thought in any way. You cannot create a thinking machine. And that's why all the technology and everything is always men. You don't see any robots in this thing. You're like, well, how come we're so far in the future? And these guys, there's no robots. Some of the alien or some of the humans there are bred. And like, for instance, he's got a guy with him.

And they have a name for this person, these types of people. where they're basically part machine, part computer. So they're like enhanced. They're cybors. Correct. So he says, at one point, one of the Duke turns and says, how much will this cost them to make this trip? And he goes, and the guy goes, his eyes blink real quick. And then he says, 2,745 units to travel to white, whatever.

And even traversing the stars in that kind of portal thing that they go through, once again those are humans that are doing it using spice they have the ability to do this by because they can use spice but once again they cannot be they cannot be i nothing it's all so because ai destroyed or were thought and it was such a it was such a devastating outcome with ai this is what has created the universe of Dune. Yeah. Right? It makes sense to me from like a psychological standpoint that humans, I think a huge motivating force

of a human being is like ego, you know? So my curiosity or my belief is that at some point when we start making these things that are highly intelligent, way more intelligent than we are. Isn't the human ego going to force like a merger? Like, isn't it very likely that we become cyborgs rather than dominated by this superintelligence? Like, would you allow something? Knowing a human ego, wouldn't you merge with the intelligence rather than letting it be your boss? Right. You know?

I would have to, like, I'd let it, I'd have it do it with Bozziak first to see what happens to him. Yeah. But then if it worked out, like, do you think Elon's at the forefront of this thing? Right. Oh, he's ready to ask him. Do you think he's going to, do you think he would let something be more, more intelligent than him?

Or is he going to put the Norolink chip in and be enlightened to, to, instead of an IQ of 150 or whatever, is he going to have a 400 IQ? I think he's on that table. I think he's getting the incision. Yeah, drill a hole. Let's do this. You know? So the only thing, arguably, in my opinion, the only thing that might save us is actually our innate monkey nature, our innate ego.

Right. And we might merge with the thing. That's very possible. You know, because I can't see people with that much money allowing a stronger, more evolved, more intelligent entity in the room. you know, if you have that capability, why not just make yourself one? Right. You know, so it might be, that could be silver lining in the question of. I mean, I would definitely do it.

I would definitely do it. Take it upgrade. Of course, bro. There's a lot of, I've had two hair transplants. Of course, I'm going to take the chip. I'm going to take the chip. Of course. Why wouldn't I, that I'm that guy, you know, if I could be two inches taller,

let's do it. Let's cut my legs in half. So would you take, would you take the four inches taller or would you take the plus plus 50 IQ? I'd probably take the plus 50 IQ. I think that'd be, get me a lot further than an extra couple inches. Yeah. But you might be depressed. You know, it could be.

Only reason I want to be too much. No, I wouldn't be depressed. I already have a girl. I already have a wife. It's the only reason I've want to be taller anyway. Yes. For women, I already got already got already married. I'm already married.

It's over. Yeah. Lucky. I haven't gained 50 pounds. When we're using I ever worked out? So you'll take the IQ? I take the IQ. The internet remembers, you know, they might just sign you up for the Nora link, you know?

They'll say, yes, Matthew, we are the AI and you have already volunteered. Have you seen the, we have this evidence? Have you seen the TikTok? Lay down. The reels where it says where the job recruiter or the recruiter says, where do you see yourself in three years? And it jumps to John Carter. Is it John Carter? Yeah, John Carter.

John Connor Connor yeah John Connor and he's got John Connor fighting with with the T1, you know T 1,000 or T1

and they're like where do you see yourself fighting the aliens for a year that's where I see my stomach for a year I think you're going to merge man you got nothing to worry about

yeah that was a great movie too you know you know what I'm gonna do is I've seen someone suggest us in the comments before like during the holidays we kind of repurpose

some videos and posts like around Christmas and New Year's is I'm going to get AI to transcribe all the podcasts we've ever done and find all the movie references you ever Oh and then just Matt Matthew Cox explains his 50 favorite movies. Oh, Does it have it be like four hours of your movie explanations? Oh, we're constantly constantly. I, you know, I grew up on movies. And the movies I grew up on, you know, so much better than movies that are coming out now.

I'm a huge 80s movie. Yeah, of course. Those are the best, I think. The original Red Dawn. Yeah. Yeah. What about-Swayzy? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah. The original roadhouse, not this crap they just remade. Oh, gosh, what was the, uh, uh, yeah. Spaceballs. Well, you know what I'm thinking. Are you comedy guy or no? No, not really. Not, not slapstick kind of comment.

No, you know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking like a escape from New York. Yeah, that's awesome. What a great. And then they did, oh, snakes Pliskin. Yeah, snake pliskin. Yeah, and then they'd escape from L.A. Like, that's a bullshit. They should escape from New York.

They, it might, if they did just the original, don't do a new fucking, a new screenplay. Just do the same, the same script. Do it again. Just redo it. You know, of course, they can't land on the Twin Towers now. They have to come with a different, something different there. But.

So your whole thing is this dystopian stuff. Even your art, even your art is, has that, a little bit of a dystopian. It does. It does. Vib. And the snakes, Pliskin is, that's like a dystopian. The road warrior.

I love every road warrior. Oh, Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson. I love everyone. I even love the two that they just made. I love those are great too. No, the last one I don't. I like the Fury Road better than the very last one.

Very last one had a bunch of AI involved in it and everything. I didn't like it as much. I need, I need Mel. No. No, no. You don't like that. No, I don't need Mel Gibson. He plays a good, like, he was great.

He was a wild man, you know. I thought, what's his name did a great job? I forget his name. Shit. Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy. I thought Tom Hardy did, did an amazing job. He came off way more mentally fucked up than Mel Gibson did.

But Mel Gibson was, I love Mel Gibson. He was great. I'm not saying it wasn't great. I'm just saying I enjoyed that one too, but probably because it had the better special effect. And they really, they had the budget, man. They had the vehicles were into. Everybody was this huge characters. I loved it.

Road Warrior was the first one? No, the first one was Mad Max. Mad Max? He was just a police officer. Right. And then what was this was beyond the Thunderdome? Yeah, there was the third one? There was Mad Max.

Then there was the Road Warrior. Then there was beyond Thunderdome. That one was awesome. Yeah. Fighting in that cage. That was a rubber band. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah.

Pretty good. So that series is just an evolution. of I've only seen Mad Max where they're like running driving the cars to the desert and stuff. Oh yeah. No, no. The first one was called what no. Mad Max was the first one which was done in Australia by Mel Gibson when he was nobody. Yeah.

We're talking about it. That was like his vehicle to launch his career. Yes. That. Fury Road is what I saw. You saw Mad Max Fury Road. Yeah. Which is just him back.

It's still a continuation of of Mad Max's journey. what that one was. Mel Gibson was in Fury Road? No, he, but hit, no, it was the female, right? No, Mad Max was Tom Hardy's character. Oh, Tom Hardy. He was Mad Max. Okay, yeah.

Yeah, so he would have been the original Mel Gibson's character all the way through. So it's just telling all these different stories. I have a tough time switching characters. Oh, like an actor. Yeah, I, I, I meet, for me, it immediately goes down like two points out of a 10 point scale or something. But did you saw Mad Max the first one? Yeah, the Mel Gibson Yeah, it was

Yeah, it was horrible I mean, not horrible A great movie But you know, It was where his wife and kid die And the, Oh, yeah. The gangs and the, you know,

he was, and that's what just pushed him over the edge and just goes out there and just starts murdering people and killing people. That's why I think that the character that Tom Hardy plays a better, he's just psychologically,

he's just not all there. You can tell. They don't really get into that too much in, in Road Warrior and Beyond Thunderdome, you don't really realize he's got psychological problems as a result of his wife and... Like trauma.

Yeah, from them being murdered, brutally murdered. It's a horrible. It also doesn't ever really get back into the fact that there is part of the world that is civilized still, to a degree, right? Like, there's still... In that film? In that world?

In that world that he, you know, that dystopia, right? That in Mad Max, there is a, there is civilized society out there. You kind of forget about that. Like by the time you're going to, you're at Fury Road, these people are like trying to get to a place that's safe and they can eat and they can. But the truth is in the first one, he lives in that place. He leaves and goes into the wasteland. Oh. Do they not know that there is a place you can go?

Does that make sense? They never... Yeah, I don't remember that part of the storyline. Well, if you saw Mad Max. Yeah. Don't you remember? He's a cop. And he goes out into the...

Yeah, he's a cop. He's got a wife. He's got a kid. There's neighbors. There's like, there's a civilization. But every once in while, these people, these gangs of motorcyclists, come in and steal and rob and pillage. and then they go back into the wasteland.

And he kind of, you know, when they get the call that these people are out there, they come and they chase them down and they kill them or they shoot them or they arrest them or whatever. Hey, these guys came into town and they, they murdered a family or something. They go or they're, he chases them out or he arrests them or whatever. So at some point they come in and they because they know he's a bat, he's, he's a cop who's fighting us and he's killed some of our guys. He's arrested us. So we're going to go after him. family and they kill his family and that sends him over the edge and he takes his uh his police

vehicle and he goes out into the uh into the wasteland and to basically start just hunting these people down and killing them and that's what he does and that's how he ends up in the road warrior and then the road warrior he's deep deep deep in the shit and that's when he comes across that he's struggling they're looking for gas and he finds uh that that that place where they've got the um where they're pumping gas or they're pumping oil and they're refining it and so he finds them and he helps them and then eventually he goes this turns into the next movie is beyond thunder dome he stays there they're leaving and he's like no i'm not coming with you he leaves they're gonna stay here yeah like this i'm staying here i'm just staying here to survive

he can't go back i didn't remember the i didn't remember that it was set in like a norm there was like a safe zone yeah there's like an air It's like so he's choosing to stay out there. Oh, he's staying there. He wants to stay there. Right, because he's had this trauma and he doesn't want to go back. He can't face it or whatever. Mentally, he can't go back.

And that's why at the beginning of Fury Road, remember how there's, he keeps seeing these flashes. They're like, you were supposed to protect us. You were supposed to Max. That's his, that's his wife and his child that he, that he watched die in front of him. And so it's tormented him. It's torn. It's, he's mentally unsound as a result of this complete break from reality.

And that's why he's out there doing the things that he's doing and staying there. But what bothers me about that is they don't explain that these people that they're, oh, we're trying to get to the green place. We're trying to get to civilization someplace safe. But there is someplace safe. He came from it. He's acting like there's nowhere to go. But it could be 20 is a 20,

20 years later or something like 20 years later has it been corrupted in in the literary sense they don't was was his safe space corrupted and now he wants retribution we don't know no no nowhere to go back it was i mean they never indicate that it's corrupted they indicate that he left it because he's going into the waste land is he or maybe he's going in there just to hack these people to death you know or just fight these the evilness i don't know But I do know that this place exists and we've never have any indication in any of the storyline that it doesn't still exist. And so when these people are like, oh, we're going to, we're going to go across the desert and find the green place and find this wonderful place where we heard that over here there's a civilization somewhere. And he's like, there's no civilization.

You want to go someplace? You go back to where we were, where they've got water. That place exists. So he doesn't tell them actually, you know, if you just head due south, you'll come to civilization. I was there. So does it exist anymore? Did he forget about it? Did he or is he gone so far that he's saying you'll never make it?

I don't really know. It's kind of sounds like the story of Baywolf almost. I might want to ask chat. I could probably ask chat about that. I could probably tonight I could do some research. I'm going to have to revisit it. Me and Colby are going to. You should go watch Mad Max and see what.

Take our time machine back to Blockbuster and grab a couple VHSs. I'll bet it's probably a free movie on YouTube. Do you have a premium or YouTube, sorry, Premiere? Is it Premiere or Premium? You think Man Max is on YouTube? Premium. Yeah, it's probably on pretty. It's probably a free movie.

Even if it's not, you could probably buy it for six minutes. I got to watch the first 15 minutes. I don't remember. $6.99 or whatever. You know how many movies? I have probably 100 movies. I don't even rent them. I just buy them.

1199, 799. Where on YouTube? YouTube premium. So I just have a, if you go to my movie section, it's just tons of movies

and I'll rewatch them. I've watched Dune 40 times. Wow. I just put it on and listen to it. I can tell you the whole movie. See, I do that too with media in the sense that like,

I just put something on and while I'm working, I just listen to it or? Do you watch the same movie? over and over again? Man, I was really bizarrely into like ancient aliens. You know, you know that like a history channel show. And I would just watch it's got like 20 seasons.

Watch it over. Yeah, yeah. So I've watched Dune over and over and over and over again. And then there are certain movies I've just watched over and over and over and to exhaustion. And and my wife saw a TikTok the other day and it was talking about. people with trauma they said you know that they said people that will watch the same thing over and over and over again suffer from extreme trauma i believe they watch it because it's soothing it's soothing and what's so funny about it is probably just had you know if this has been going on

for a year or so right to you and she's like you're always what you love this movie don't you i'm like yeah yeah and so one time she said to me why do you watch this so much like you know it you don't even how to watch it. You could just play it in your mind. And I went, it's super comforting. Like, when I play it, it's, it's comfort. I said, it's not that it doesn't have to be this movie. It could be any movie that's, to me, it's comforting. And I watched it over and over again. Exactly. And I said, yeah, it's just comforting. I said, there's some movies I just watch over and over and over again. And I said, it makes this just, and then she came across this fucking thing and came and she said, listen to this. And she played it. She's like, it makes sense. How does that? Because you want the

predictability. You want some, you want to know what's happening next, you know, subconsciously. Or the same music over and over and over. Yeah, I used to, I used to watch the, uh, the one, through the wormhole with Morgan Freeman. Oh, okay. And I realized that like Morgan Freeman's voice paired with music that sounds like it's from the universe or something is probably the most, The best, easiest thing to sleep to you could possibly, like, it's like a tonic or something that just puts you to sleep. Right. You know, in a good way, it's relaxed because your brain is thinking about, your brain isn't racing. It's thinking about like, and you're listening to this like universe that's expanding and the music.

And then you're, and then you hear Morgan's voice who is like the voice of God in movies. It's the most soothing thing to sleep to. But I totally exhausted all of those. programs. I can't listen to it anymore because I'm just like sick of them, you know, so now I'm into ancient aliens while I sleep. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. When you're not resting well, everything else feels harder. Your focus, your mood, even your recovery. Ghostbed is here to help you fix that. They've spent decades perfecting how to build a bed that's comfortable, durable, and designed to actually help you rest. Every ghost bed mattress features

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Are you in on that one? I've watched it a bunch of times. So you like Doom, but you don't like the Fifth Element? No. Wow. I don't like the sets. I don't like the creatures and the sets. And it's a little too cartoonish.

I mean, I don't mind the storyline. Bruce Willis? I love Bruce Willis's character. I love the vehicles. I love it. You know what? It's funny. To me, it's a, it's a cartoonish version of Blade Runner.

Right. I love Blade Runner. I'll watch Blade Runner and the new one over and over and over again. Right. I think those are amazing movies. And you're, and you know what, they're some of semi-action packed. Not a lot, not too, too much action. But I also hate movies that have too much action.

I cannot stand any of the Marvel universe. The last 10 years of Marvel universe movies can't you, I grab you. I throw you through six buildings. You know, it's like nothing kills you. It's just too much. It's, you know, it's all. It's just too much. Like I don't need all that.

Fuck it. I don't need a 15 minute fight scene where you've destroyed all of New York City. Like it's stop. I'm with you on that. I don't get anything from it. You know, probably the best one was Iron Man won. It had just enough action, just enough intrigue and interest and storyline. Other than that, the rest of them, it's too much.

Yeah. Well, you know what? The origin story is more interesting than the action. Yeah. So to understand, like, what happened to this person that he would become this monster or this hero, that's what makes the first one more enjoyable from like you're like a storyteller you know

like from a story standpoint it's way cool yeah and now let's make four more movies where they just fight nonstop okay right and let's try and build a storyline around it but it doesn't work you know it's like a dark night right like or 8 BC that that that Batman you know

was it Christian bail the Joker, the amazing, amazing. I love where they're going to blow up the fairies. And the big black guy goes over to the cop. And he convinces him to give him the thing because you don't have it in you to do what needs to be done.

And he throws it out the window because did you see that movie? Oh my God. So listen. The Joker. and then we have to wrap this up. The Joker, there's a bunch of civilians, good, decent people, school teachers, nurses, normal people, are on one ferry. They're also emptying out the prisons. They put all the prisoners on one ferry.

They put all the good people there on another. And the fairies are leaving, but they're out of port and they're all leaving. He's blown up all the bridges. So is there leaving? Is it Manhattan? Whatever, one of the islands. I don't know how all that works. Oh, Gotham, yeah, which is really like, yeah, New York.

So they're leaving and he stops and he announces. They find out that at the bottom of the boats are filled with explosives. And there's a device on it that they have a trigger. And there's a box. And so the people on the prisoner boat, the guards open it up and they see that there's a trigger. And they all hear the same thing. People in the good boat and bad boat. They all hear the same thing.

And it's you have until 12 o'clock to trigger the bomb in the other boat. One of these boats has to be triggered and you'll survive. So the people in the good boat, if you trigger that and blow up the criminals and they sink and die, you know, you survive. You have to do this by 12. And the same thing with the bad boat of the prisoners. If you blow up their boat, you guys will survive. And so the Joker's with he's basically with Batman. I think he's with Batman at the moment. He's somewhere. Or maybe he's not. I don't know. I forget where he is. But he's basically, he tells them this. And he's basically doing this to prove a point that when the chips are down,

People will turn on each other. And even these people, these good people, they will sacrifice other people for themselves. They'll do it. You'll watch. They'll turn on each other. And great scene. And so there's like a, I don't know, some normal citizen who basically gets up and he's like, what are you doing?

Pull the trigger. Like these men are, these are criminals. They've made their choices. They're horrible people. These people are in prison. Like these, what choices? We're good people. These are bad people.

Blow up the boat. And the guy's like, like, they haven't done it yet. They had, they got the same thing and they haven't done it. Now, what they don't realize is that there's a correctional officer, it's a guard who's got the trigger or it's like, no, it's the warden. The warden has the gun. He has the trigger.

He can pull the trigger and blow the boat up. And so he's sitting there and everybody, And everybody's looking at him like, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? And he's like, he says the same thing. He's like, they haven't done it yet. We're coming up on 12. They haven't done it.

And he's like, he didn't know what to do. And so this huge black guy fucking ripped. You could just tell 10 life sentences. Murder. Ravers. He's a horrible guy. He stands up and he walks over to the ward and he goes, give me the trigger.

And he's looking at him. He's like, let me. do what has to be done, you can't do this. This is beyond you to be able to do. You know, you can't kill these people. Let give it to me. It's not your fault. Tell them I took it from you. Let me give it to me. I'll do what needs to be done. And he gives it to him. And he turns around and he throws it out the window because he knows we should be the ones to die. And it's like, Fuck. Like, I remember seeing that, like, you know, probably a horrible human being.

But in that moment, he knew the right thing to do. And he throws it up. You buying it? Fucking love it, bro. Did you watch that in prison? No, I think it came out before prison. Did it? I don't know.

What year did it come out? I don't know where I was. Did I watch that in prison surrounded by a bunch of fucking inmates? Maybe. I don't think so. I feel like I might have watched it before prison. I don't know. a year on it. Well, I went in...

The Dark Night 2008. Oh, I was in prison. I was in prison. So you were believing in the humanity of... Batman Begins. Which one is... Yeah, yeah, Dark Night Batman. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Do I believe that that guy would have... I think some... I'm not buying it. No? No. No. I think... I don't know. I... Very few inmates, I think, would have done that. But I've met a few inmates that if you talked them about their crimes they would just fucking tear up and walk away you know i would say that

that there was two guys that i met that oh my god i i the worst one was a guy that um had run over two two hitchhikers in their early 20s he was he'd been up on ice for days he drove a truck through a he was driving a 18 wheeler he was a long-distance truck driver he drove a truck through like a a national park and he was driving, he'd been up for days and he fell asleep and he ran right over two hitchhikers that are like two fucking college kids or something killed him. There was no fed. There was no like vehicular homicide charge in the federal system. They didn't think about it.

So they had to try charge him with murder and he took, he got 15 years, played guilty to 15 years, right? they know it was an accident, but when I asked him, I don't even know why I said this when he told me that we were sitting in the TV. I would never forget. I was sitting in the TV room. They called it the cracker box. It was the white TV room. And we're sitting there. And he was actually, I don't know how long he'd been locked up.

Maybe he had a few more years or five, 10 years. I don't know how long. He may be halfway through his sentence or something. And I don't know why I said this, but when he said, Yeah, I got 15 years. My first reaction was, are you fighting it? Like, what are you doing? Are you trying to fight it?

I don't know why. I just wasn't even thinking clearly. I think I just, it was a natural thing to say. And he looked at me and he goes, I ran over two people. Because I killed two people. He said, I'm more than happy with 15 years. And his eyes filled up with tears. And just before he said, probably not wrong.

No, he's not. Just before he started crying, he stood up and walked out. And I just thought, like he's living with that every day. He'll, that 15 years is nothing. Like he, they could let him out. They could have given him nothing. He probably would have killed himself. It was.

And, you know, and as I kind of knew that guy, and I think he left shortly after that. I don't know if he left to another prison. I don't remember. But I think he left after another year or two. he was riddled with guilt. And because I remember talking to another guy about us. Yeah, this is what happened. And he said, oh, yeah, yeah, don't, you don't want to talk to him.

But he's, he's super upset about it. And he's not super upset with his time. He can't fathom what he did. You know, and I get it. So he was, and I don't even know why I said the, you know, what do you? Are you fighting it? And, you know, it's as soon as I said it to. I just remember thinking that was a stupid thing to say

he's he got 15 years he killed two people he's just I didn't realize how much it had upset him and destroyed him and obviously he killed two people and it's a horrific thing but but he's the only he's the one person that was perfectly okay with his fucking sentence felt like he

got got got better than he deserved yeah the other one would be John Bozziak who got two years he was supposed to get like 12 years and he just ended up getting two. His lawyer happened to get them to drop some of the evidence because it was obtained illegally, which never happens. They dropped it. They went from like, well, actually, I don't think it was 12 years.

I think it was 10. I think he went from 10 years to two years. And he was just like, I'm lucky. I'm lucky. That's exactly what happened when she was like, look, I couldn't get him to drop the aggravated identity. He's like, where's the pen? What are you talking about? You just got eight years, eight to 10 years, knocked off my.

sentence and it was a fluke too the way it happened he just happened to mention when he was signing his deal he says i can't believe i have to go to prison because of that whole that fucking old man and she goes what old man and he goes the old man that opened the package she was the secret service open the package he goes no no no he said the old man at the uPS store opened the package they called the secret service and she's like hold on i'll be back and walks off comes back like two days later and goes, okay, I got him to drop the, the, um, uh, all the credit card charges. And you only, she was, but I couldn't get him to drop the aggravated identity that. They did find that you had, they had a copy of an ID that you made.

He was like, what? She's like, yeah, the, uh, the guy who owned the UPS store, the old man, he had no right to open the package. So he either, he either broke the law himself, which makes it like illegal. Or he feels they coaxed him into opening the package to get around the warrant. Yeah. And it's illegal. Either way, they're not introducing it at trial.

I got them to drop it. But they did find, but you did open up the account using a fake ID. They didn't find the fake ID, but they have a photograph of it. So I couldn't get them, but I could not get them to drop it to two years. He's like, give me a pen. Yeah, there's a big difference between two years and 10 years. Like, that's two people the whole time that felt they had been adequately or undersentenced. You know, two very different cases, obviously.

Boziac's just running around thrilled. You know, the other guys probably committed six months after he fucking got out of prison. So, yeah. But the guy that throws out, I don't care if it's true or not. So it's two out of, two out of 50, the Joker would have been, Joker would have been right 48 times out of 50? No, I said, no, it's two people out of, where did you get 50? I don't know, just as how many people are on. more like 5,000 people that I've met that complained about their sentence.

Yeah, I think, I don't know. I don't know. I've seen amazingly kind things happen with inmates. So I don't know. I give it a 50-50 shot that the guy throws it out. That's probably what the Joker thought. Yeah, 50. I think the Joker probably, I've bet you the Joker thought 100% these guys are going to

fucking blow up that those or those people. Exactly. And here's the thing, what you had to know by watching the movie at this point. You had to know that really they were blowing up themselves. Whoever pulled the trigger was going to kill themselves. That's what would have probably happened. Because if you watch the movie, that's what he does when he ends up, they end up killing Batman's love.

I forget her name. Loisle. No, that's Superman. Whatever the chick is. But she ends up getting blown up. Right. Yeah. Remember they think they're going.

one place. He's going to save Gordon. No, he's going to save her. He's going to save her. And Gordon gets blown up. Is it Gordon? No, not Gordon gets blown up. Two-face.

Whoever Two-Face is. Is that Gordon? I don't know. Anyway. Gordon's family? No, no. It's the guy. It's the DA who ends up being two-face.

Yeah. Charlie Dent. Yes, Charlie Dent. Thank you. Ooh. Super impressive. All right, are we wrapping this up, man? We're coming on four hours.

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