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Starting point is 00:01:14 The Six, the Crime Chronicles. The sixth game plan is the Crime Chronicles. It's the Crime Chronicle. Okay, that's your... I think if I got one fourth of the Matt Cox fucking commitment, We talk about it. Like you are fucking at it. You are added.

Starting point is 00:01:33 I'm looking for stuff on YouTube. Matt Cox is posted again. Coming up in. He's Cox done posted. Coming up in the TikTok searches. You weren't hearing something funny? Is I would say, and because Jess says this all the time, she says like every time we go out, somebody recognizes you.

Starting point is 00:01:51 And I always think that's not true because people don't say anything. But Jess says, no, no, you don't see it. We'll be standing there waiting and I'll see people. hit each other and be like yeah and they'll sit there on their phone but I'm not I'm sitting there you know I'm do or I'm in my phone not even paying attention she's like are you wearing the same

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Starting point is 00:02:26 so but we went to, so I would say it is, it's not that much, but it's 50% of the time when I leave, somebody does say something to me. So we went on New Year's Eve. We went to, Christmas Eve or? Oh, yeah, you're right, Chris, sorry, Christmas Eve. Christmas Eve, we went to to Outback Steakhouse. We took Jess's mom to Alback Steakhouse because she took her mom to see her daughter. So, um, the next day, they went for a couple days. But we went there. that night took her out to dinner and while we were there a guy came up to me and it's funny because because he had my picture on he had one of the one of the tictox frozen where was my picture and he goes

Starting point is 00:03:09 art is this you and i went i said yeah that's me he goes you're matt cox and i said yeah and he goes bro he said i watch all your stuff i'm sorry he's like i saw you here i didn't want to bother you and then jess had already left she'd already walk gone to the car with her mom so i'm just paying the bill and i was like i was like he's like i don't want to bother i said no bro absolutely bother me I said, I'm good. He's like, man, can we get a pair? I said, let's get a picture. Fuck yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:32 I think I took a picture with him. So, yeah, I think he said, can we get a cell? I said, absolutely. And so we take a picture, everything, shake hands, what's going? He's like, I watch your stuff all the time. He gave me his business car, the whole thing. So then I leave, I get home and I check my Instagram. And another guy said, yo, bro, this might be a little random.

Starting point is 00:03:52 But were you just at, you know, at Alpac Steakhouse? He's like, I didn't approach you. because I saw you were with some people. He said, but I could have swore that was you. And I said, yeah, that was me. He's like, yo, bro, I didn't want to approach you. I was, God, I wish I'd known. But I didn't want to interrupt.

Starting point is 00:04:08 I said, absolutely. I said, interrupt me, bro. I said, you're the reason that I don't have to have a real job. I said, absolutely. Interrupt me. I said, I will immediately take a, I said, take a photo with me. Tell me, whatever. Say hi, whatever, bro.

Starting point is 00:04:23 I said, absolutely okay with you interrupt me. Next time you see me, I said, stop me. And he goes, man, I appreciate it. bro, cool. I'm glad you like that. So, so that was twice. Just going to dinner. So I, and I think that makes me feel good because I know, because what that tells me is like, it's working. Like you've got the stuff out there. It's working. I never believe that whole somebody had told me one time, one of these producers or something that would option your story. Like, well, I'm not sure about you doing all these, you know, being, like I see you everywhere. And I don't know if that's a good thing. I feel like you're maybe getting over.

Starting point is 00:04:58 Exposed. Like what? Like Nike? Like, like, is that too much exposure? Like, listen, you know, I, I don't have a problem. I need exposure for people to see it and people to, that that's what's getting us to use. And so, yeah, absolutely. And being available. Right. So, I mean, I, I, bro, I love that. We go to, we go to, we go to, um, to eat breakfast. And it's so funny one time because we were, Jess and I were eating breakfast. And I get this all the time. We're just guys will walk by and they go, hey, hey, hey. or what would the guy do the other day? He goes, hey, bro. He was, I love your stuff. He goes, and I go, oh, man, I appreciate it. He goes, see you. And I go, see you. You know, he's like, and I didn't think that was like a thing.

Starting point is 00:05:37 Oh, that's your. See you. So that happened. And then, you know, somebody else, one time, I remember we saw like a bus boy. He kept looking and he talked to the postist and she's looking. And then this was recently, too, probably a couple months ago. They're looking and looking. And I kept thinking, Jess goes, you know, I think that she's like, I recognize you.

Starting point is 00:05:55 I said, I said, he'll probably wait until I leave. I say he probably doesn't want to say, thing. She was like, he goes, yeah. And then sure enough, we get to get up, go to move. And this girl that had never looked at me stood up and walked over and she said, excuse me, she says, are you Matt Cox? And I go, yeah, I am. She's, my dad loves you. She goes, every morning I wake up, you're on our TV. She's, can I get a picture with you? He'll, oh my God, he'll be so, he'll be so jealous. And I was like, absolutely just goes, give me your phone. You know, and the bus board never said anything. But the point is, is like, like, it's, any comments about your height?

Starting point is 00:06:30 No. No. We definitely looked tall. We did have the one guy come in. We had one guy walked in. He goes, wow, what do you say? He's like, wow, you are short. I was like, you said that to somebody.

Starting point is 00:06:45 Oh, I've said it to people. I'm a really, really guy who said it to me too, though. He came in because I remember standing right in the hallway there and he goes, wow, you are short. Like, I know you talk about it, but you are. I thought for a motherfucker. He preps people. You prep people for it. Like, I am a short motherfucker.

Starting point is 00:07:00 Yeah, it's interesting seeing the people, because some of these people that come on the podcast, they fill out the form in the description, by the way, are like big fans. And they just come in here and they're just a name or they're like, I cannot believe I'm here. I'm sitting across the table. It's a celebrity. We know celebrity. Hey, I brag on him like he's a celebrity. I know Matt Cox.

Starting point is 00:07:18 What? And you know what's so funny is like, like, Colby gets to be around me all the time for nothing. For nothing. He doesn't appreciate it. I'm sure it's not free. He doesn't appreciate it at all. He doesn't get paid to be around you. He has no appreciation.

Starting point is 00:07:34 I balance it out. You know, mega, yeah, I'm like, yeah, fuck him. Yeah. He ain't all that.

Starting point is 00:07:41 You know, he's short, right? He's everywhere. Whose podcast I did the other day? The guy was like, well, here,

Starting point is 00:07:48 you've got a podcast, pitch your podcast. And I was like, yeah, honestly, there's better shit on YouTube. I said, there's some great stuff

Starting point is 00:07:55 on Netflix. I said there's a lot of great documentaries you could be watching. You could do better than watching. That was Roman Atwood. Roe. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you started laughing.

Starting point is 00:08:04 You know, these guys start, they start like, what the fuck? Well, because here's what happens is at the very end, like at the end of those things, almost nobody's watching. By the time you start talking about your YouTube channel, like they're dropping like flies. Like it's just a, you know, so me saying, yeah, check out my channel. What am I going to get? We're going to get nothing. I'll probably get more by saying, eh, you're better off watching something else. It's just a bunch of talk.

Starting point is 00:08:27 You know, then people like, oh, this guy's funny. Let's, I got a better chance of you viewing to see that kind of funny comment than. Absolutely, bro.

Starting point is 00:08:35 Check out my channel. No. No. I feel like we're past that. So what are we doing this podcast on? Because I did. That was, that was six minutes of the podcast right there.

Starting point is 00:08:46 Yeah. I'm, I don't know where to go with my questions. I think, I've seen comments say that sometimes they just love to hear you guys cut up. You know what I mean? Just talk about whatever, honestly. All right.

Starting point is 00:08:58 Yeah, it'll be packaged around 2025, new years maybe, but. Just guys, just talking. Yeah, yeah. What's wrong? No. No. No. The lenses.

Starting point is 00:09:09 And you're not getting any of this in that? Mm-mm. And which one? Zach's. In the, um... In the wide? Yeah. No, it's zoomed in.

Starting point is 00:09:18 Ah, it's a good lighting, right? That's some good, like, he's barely... It is. I just thought for sure. Like, it was... No, it's the lens. Oh, wow. Okay.

Starting point is 00:09:27 It's the lens, not the fit. Of less is what. Not the screen. I thought for sure. The screen was like it was hot. Yeah. I guess it is. Okay.

Starting point is 00:09:38 That's fine. I moved it. I thought it's got to be in the. Anyway. It's a good shots. Thank you. A good shot. So those exact.

Starting point is 00:09:46 2025? Yeah. What's in, what's, what's 25 for you? Yeah. It's a big. Awesome. Awesome. Well, once we get Matt's attention back.

Starting point is 00:09:57 I'm listening. The 2020, so I have determined, because I haven't received my letter ending my sentence, I'm determined that January 1st, 2025, I'm officially off of supervised release. You're off on the 19th. I know, but I mean, I want certification. Yeah. So 2025 to me represents not have, so this is big for me. And I'll talk about that when I do my podcast about my sentence.

Starting point is 00:10:27 over. But it represents me not being afraid of Judge Whitmore. So, because that, that's a constant thought in my life every day is him. But, um, so it means that now I can visit like my friend April in Atlanta. I can leave without asking permission. Um, I can take the little money I saved up and maybe buy a car and have car payments. I think I'm there. Did I know April? Yes. Yes, you met April. What kind of car you have now? You have a, I have the Cadillac that I bought. It's nothing wrong, but my daughter needs a car. Oh, okay. Well, I thought, man, you meant buy one for you. Oh, yeah. I was going to buy me one and give her that one. Well, I want, I want to try car payments, but like I would have to ask him, you know, and me being me, I was stubborn and I never paid my full

Starting point is 00:11:19 restitution. And so I told him I didn't have money. And therefore, whenever I asked to buy a car, he's like, no, you don't have money. So it represents, I don't have to ask anymore to purchase a automobile. I can actually start looking and buy a car. You will be free. Eyes is free. Eyes is free. Eyes is free.

Starting point is 00:11:44 So I don't want to, I do, I have made it like every Tuesday and Thursday to visit his office and do podcast. We talked about that. We talk about different subjects. A couple of more people that I was in prison with have been released. So I've been wanting to interview them. So I am committed, even though it's unbelievable to doing more podcasts in 2025, building up my channel. It's not like you set the bar very high.

Starting point is 00:12:14 You need a measurable goal. Is it one a week? Yes. And this is going to be on camera. We had me down for two. So I'm off two days a week. So we had me down for two days a week. I was going to go to his office and we were going to do a podcast.

Starting point is 00:12:31 But what happens is he's not that app that's setting up the camera. So I would get there and I have to pick my daughter up from school, which me buying another car would help me with that. So I don't have to be anywhere at a certain time. So I get there and he's not a setup. And then we'll start. And then five minutes into it. Can she drive? Yeah, she can drive.

Starting point is 00:12:52 Why don't she just drop you off in the morning? You spend all day there doing. He's in Temple Terrace. Yeah, but she can drive the car to drop her, go to school. Then she can pick you up. Well, he's in Temple. That's like 25 miles away. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:13:08 I don't know where our school is. Oh, our school is five minutes away from the house. Four miles from my house. The house is like 25 minutes from where he's got his little studio. But she still do it just out of the car. Of course. Oh. Oh.

Starting point is 00:13:22 Well, if he had a car, then, because I don't want to ride on that motorcycle. He said, he said, I hug him too tight. He said, I hug him too tight when he's doing a hundred. But look. Stop! Really? So Boziacs that they get around in those. Tuck, no, that's not tough.

Starting point is 00:13:41 No, the mopads. They have the little mopeds. Like, you're supposed to jump on the back of, some guy pulls up and goes, and you jump on the back, like, and Bozac's like, yeah, I'm not. You can only ride those with. They ride. They ride. mopeds?

Starting point is 00:13:51 Yeah. Yeah. Well, Bozak's not going to hug him. Do you work out? He's going to hold him by the shoulder. You're madge. You're driving the guy.

Starting point is 00:14:01 Cup him. You're looking out. Are you? Is there a gym around? You have to cup him. Everyone should have a motorcycle. I agree. It's a matter of time before you get to an accident. Those type of people shouldn't have.

Starting point is 00:14:18 If you ride. Everybody's going to get in an accident. You got to take your. pocketbook off and get on and ride it. No high heels allowed. Like if you're worried about fucking, you could hop in your car and get into.

Starting point is 00:14:30 What car? I don't have a car. You could hop in your Uber. Stop. Even if I get into an Uber accident, I'm not going to fucking get. Oh my God. I'm not going to get hurt the way you're going to get hurt. Oh my God. That job, the job where I was doing insurance. Uber, Uber accident.

Starting point is 00:14:45 So, you know what I heard there was a scam going on with Uber accidents. but for some reason I think Uber has been paying a bunch of money for people who are in their cars and get an accident like they've been covering covering their medical bills or something with some kind of scam going on we're in the middle of a podcast I want to hear what you guys think about this video $150 a dollar yes

Starting point is 00:15:14 $350 an hour $350 an hour $350 an hour pick a how long do you eat me it's $350 an hour I'm in there

Starting point is 00:15:23 six days a week sun up sundown and you best believe on my back when I get back on vacation okay

Starting point is 00:15:32 that's those fingers for you I'm getting $3.50 an hour I'm going to put that way I'm getting three days on my fingers I'm getting out of my fingers

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Starting point is 00:16:46 I got it off yours. I don't think that you appreciate. You're saying live. I did not see that. It's on there. what's the date he's one of those friends he's one of those friends

Starting point is 00:17:00 he doesn't care yeah you send them I need you to react to stuff that I see yes at least laugh that's what he told me one time inappropriate something anything there's an iPhone literally just hold it in his reaction right here it was it was December 23rd

Starting point is 00:17:17 this is you look Isaac this is him send it to you out of your feed Yep. You don't care. What do you have to say for you? I might have missed it.

Starting point is 00:17:28 He might have sent me a barrage. There wasn't a barrage. It was one. I don't hit you with, typically hit you with maybe one, maybe two. I don't typically do three or four in a day because I know the likelihood you're going to even watch them. He doesn't hit me with three or four in a day. What is it? Okay.

Starting point is 00:17:47 Well, may have been excessive. I got, I got it. That might be what it was. Because I don't have Instagram, so I have to figure out how to go through and load it and watch it. Trump's playing with kittens or something. Yeah, it's all. And I'm like watching them. And then I try to react.

Starting point is 00:18:04 I try to react. Guys, because he used to be, like, Matt taught me video sharing etiquette. So, like, one day I came over, like, Matt would send me these videos, right? And then one day I came over and he's like, dude, what the fuck's your problem? Now, he's saying it just like that. I'm like, what? He goes, I send you these freaking videos. and you don't say shit.

Starting point is 00:18:25 I go, when I watch him, he goes, but motherfucker, how will I do? You'll have, make a comment. You don't say shit, motherfucker. So I'm like,

Starting point is 00:18:33 oh, I didn't know I'm supposed to respond. He goes, what the hell do you think you're supposed to? He goes, at least if you don't want him, say stop. You know what I? Exactly.

Starting point is 00:18:43 And so then I start responding to the videos until every once in a while he'll barrage me. Here's six. The fuck. And then I'm like, have to reply. And,

Starting point is 00:18:53 I'm like, man, fuck that shit. So I'm sorry. I just remember that when you were talking. Because you were talking about having to put out so much content and stuff. So I'm sorry I got off. Oh, about the cotton picking for $3.25. I thought it's worth. For $3.50 an hour.

Starting point is 00:19:11 He'd be putting it out. No lie. Yeah. He's right. Because one time you showed me what you're making, right? And I'm talking to Mello on the phone, right? And I'm like, yeah, I'm Matt. show me mellow he's making about this much per month and he's like what the fuck he goes dude

Starting point is 00:19:29 what are you doing exactly he goes if he's pissed at you i understand it's like motherfucker at some point do a fucking video he's like for those numbers are you doing that's the basis of our conversation do a fucking video bro what the fuck's wrong with you you don't even need like the two days you need to set up one set up like four interviews or three three interviews in one day because, knock all. Yeah, I promise you,

Starting point is 00:19:55 one of those guys, one of those guys isn't showing up. Right. So if you set up three in a day, just like two hours here, two hours here,

Starting point is 00:20:01 two hours here, and then if you get close to the end where, let's say it ends up being like, you're like, oh shit, it's going to be like, I got another interview

Starting point is 00:20:08 in like 10 minutes. This guy's not done. Just say, hey, can you hold on one second? And then you just text the other guy, like, bro, I'm on another 30 minutes, just push it back,

Starting point is 00:20:17 push it back. So let me ask you this, and you can use stream yard. Yes. And we paid for the stream yard. It's a 350, maybe 300 or 350. A year, though.

Starting point is 00:20:29 Yeah. It doesn't matter. We paid for it. Yes, they did. You get it for free. For free. He gets it for free. Like, I wish when I started, I had a friend like me.

Starting point is 00:20:42 Well, I'm glad I have a friend like him. You know what Danny said to me? Yeah, you figure it out. You got an iPhone. That was the help Danny gave me. Good luck, Jim. but he didn't push it on me. You know,

Starting point is 00:20:52 I was like, yeah, but I don't have editing software. There's free shit. Nah, but that was it. But that was free shit. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:21:00 he was like, there's free stuff. You got, you're gonna, you can do it on people, don't know, people don't on their phone. You know,

Starting point is 00:21:04 he didn't, that's why I'm always, like, it was good advice. He didn't really, really break it down. Like, no,

Starting point is 00:21:10 you don't understand. Like, the business model, although it sucks, because the problem is, you're starting off with, whatever, $300 a year,

Starting point is 00:21:19 or $300 a month. And you say, okay, $300 a month on a, let's say that $300 is a, the first year, I don't know, 150% increase, right? Let's say a 200% and whatever. It's really more than that. Let's say it's more like a 200% increase. So, and it's really more than that. That's very conservative. That's not your numbers.

Starting point is 00:21:43 Your numbers are huge. Right. And certainly could be based on the few months that you did actually produce a couple of videos. But let's say conservatively, let's say it's double. So it would have gone from, you know, let's say in the year, it would have gone from 300 to 600, right? That's the problem. The problem is you're looking at it like, fuck, it's only $600.

Starting point is 00:22:09 Like in a year from now, I'm going to be making $600. I understand. But the problem is you're starting with $300. If you looked at any business and you said, by the way, I can double, we're going to double your business model every single year. Nobody wouldn't do that. The problem is it's $300. If it started at $3,000 and when you know in a year was going to go from $3,000 to $6,

Starting point is 00:22:30 you'd be like, okay, I'll do it. Because to you $3,000, $600 in a year from now is nothing. Right. So that's the problem is that you're not realizing that the next year is $1,200, and the next year is 24, and the next year. And it costs very little to do. It costs you nothing but your time. You could set up three interviews in one day.

Starting point is 00:22:51 And if you were doing that every day, it made it like a, hey, I don't go, sorry, Doc, I don't have, I need an appointment on this day on Tuesdays. Why? Well, we're just off on Wednesday. Yeah. Yeah, but Wednesday, I have this. I have another job. I have to be there. There's another job.

Starting point is 00:23:06 I already have appointments set up. And I only set up on Tuesdays from here on out and here's your Tuesdays. And you just did that. You would get to a point where you'd be able to put out to a week that were about close to two hours. you would, it wouldn't, it would quadruple. It wouldn't be, it'd be from 300 to six from, it'd really be monthly, six to, whatever, six to a thousand or 900, 900 to 200 to, within six months, you'd be making a couple thousand.

Starting point is 00:23:35 Within a year, you'd probably be making $4,000. Within 18 months, I don't need a job. And that's when it really happens, because that's when you really go, okay, now I don't need a job. So now I don't have to just schedule on Tuesdays. I can schedule three days, four days a week. Right. Like now it, I know a guy, I don't want to say his name, he was making 50, he was doing Stream Yard and he was putting out two videos a week and was making $15,000 a month. That was it. That was it. He, I guarantee he doesn't have the watch time you had. Some of our highest watch time videos were, were when you were on. So that's what, you know,

Starting point is 00:24:12 that's why it's irritating because it's like, okay, you're, you're, you're working where you're working and no offense to idiots out there, but any idiot out there could work where you're working right now. You know what I'm saying? Like anybody could do that job. I've seen that. They're neighbors. I'm actually attracted to one.

Starting point is 00:24:32 So make me a hot dog. But I mean, so all you've got to do is pick one day a week. And I'm so far off on those numbers. Because even Colby will be like, even when we've talked about it, Bill, oh, within six months, he's making a couple grand a month within six months, easily. You know, I mean, you solve the numbers anyway. Within the second month, was it 600 or 300 or what was it?

Starting point is 00:24:56 I can actually pull it up. Oh, no. Yeah. Bludgeon today. So, I mean, and I could talk like, I've been, now I've stopped watching the news. I started watching series. So I could talk about different series and just a lot of different topics. Yeah, but that's the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:25:14 You don't even have to. What you really have to talk about is just talk with other criminals, other former criminals that will talk to you. And that's not hard because every one of these guys, he knows two people. Those two people make no two people. And once it starts going, people are just sending you stuff. Yo, bro, I want to come on your pocket. Yo, bro. And they really just want to see you interact with somebody.

Starting point is 00:25:33 That's all. And let's fake it, 80% of the time, if I'm interviewing somebody, 80 to 90% of time, they're talking. 90% of the time. So. What happens when we're on the interview? We don't get 80% But you're not telling me your story We can squeeze

Starting point is 00:25:49 You tell me a story If you tell me your story Like I'll bet you when Dalsy When Dalsy was here I probably talked 3% of the time You know? I couldn't get it He talks right over it

Starting point is 00:26:01 He's like me I told Colby going in I said oh this guy talked right over you I said he's like me I said he absolutely just interrupts and talks right over me Like he's loud He's way loud

Starting point is 00:26:11 He's way more aggressive And louder So it's like I'm like I have to just sit there Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. Do you remember this? And maybe he lets me tell a little story. Right. We jump right back into it.

Starting point is 00:26:19 But that reminds him of another story. Right, right. But that's what I'm saying. That's all you guys have to do. That shouldn't be difficult. You could do it on stream and you could do it on stream yarn. And it could, did you ever look? Uh, yeah, it was, uh, so you made the channel altogether made $1,700 and it's probably

Starting point is 00:26:35 been over a year. And I would say the, what was it? A thousand of it was in the first couple months when everything was consistently posted. a couple months yeah and part of that was the second month when you didn't post anything or anything on down it we're still making residuals off the first two months yeah if you look at the

Starting point is 00:26:56 the lifetime span of the revenue all of it's in the first from from March to like August like when all when you're consistently posting and the thing is yes I know that's what yeah that's what who got me with that he's like dude like fucking

Starting point is 00:27:14 do a bit sit down and do a fucking video when it really really started working was when we got we got to the point where it was just covering my bills and I didn't really have to do anything else but do the content now I still did because I'm a workaholic right like if somebody says hey come talk at my convention and I'll give you four thousand dollars you're like what are we talking about why am I not on a plane you know so yeah I still do stuff because I I can always shove something in there. You know, but if you can get to just, if you bust your ass to get to that point where you can,

Starting point is 00:27:55 where you can get it to pay your bills, then you can double down. And just knock it out. Where are you going? Jesus restaurant. So, you know, then you can double down. Once you double down, then it goes, it does, you know, it goes from this,

Starting point is 00:28:11 this little, you know, that slowly going up to, you know and you have the ability to go on other people's podcast and tell your story you just come up with a two hour version an hour version and a two hour version so you know okay in the two hour version i tell this story in the hour version i don't tell that story you just come up with with the stories or you condense them i'm not going to tell the whole story i'm going to condense it to this right and so i got an hour version so i can go on the programs that want to do an hour and i can go on the two hour ones that want to do two hours and then you go walk in and so what do guys usually do and they're like uh we'll typically we try and at least two hours okay you know that's

Starting point is 00:28:48 the story you're going to tell the two hour version i'll just expand on this one i'll also mention this i'll talk about this and that's it yeah and i would just i would just i would try to if you could commit to doing that one episode a week for entire year and just know like not worry about the views or the money just the process i think at at the end of the entire year you'll probably look back and be like oh wow like it's hard to predict when episode's going to pop off or what's going to do but it's like sometimes like sometimes I come out here and the guest doesn't show up but I know it's just like that's just part of the process sometimes I come on here and there's a guest that sit down and the video makes $10,000 so it's like all those things are just

Starting point is 00:29:26 part of the process that averages it out I like I like the concept you gave me about um just talking about my time in prison because I've been doing that on the phone yeah exactly I talk to people about you have to watch that it's just what it's the the the grace of him going over that water. Yeah, it was on the camera. But just talk about my time in prison because how I got from Coleman, like the legend I am at Coleman because of the day that they went and rounded everybody up. I think you were gone. I never even told that story. Yeah, I had I, because I'm, we missed each other by just a few weeks. I went to the low and you showed up to like two weeks later. And they came and they questioned you about what I had on on. And they also went and

Starting point is 00:30:12 question Tara. Like they went around and I learned that they were trying to build it. And that's a story. That's a story because if someone goes to Coleman, they're like, yeah, I heard about that. That was you? Well, especially too, because you can even expand it more because you can explain what the tax scam is. Because it was not even a scam. No, I'm not saying you did a scam, but that was what they were concerned with. Oh, right. So you can explain, first of all, here's what was going on in the street. That's a 10 minute explanation. So you think to yourself, yeah, but that's not what I was doing. It doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:30:46 That's what they thought you were doing. So you tell that 10 or 15 minute part of the story as background, and that's 10 to 15 more minutes of content. Right. You know, so there's times when I'll be talking to a guy and you know the story's wrapping up and I'll start throwing in like, oh yeah, bro, that reminds me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually knew a guy and I'll tell that story in it, and it's five minutes. and you think, yeah, that was relevant, but you didn't have to say that. No, I didn't. But he was wrapping it up and we're at 5.

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Starting point is 00:32:43 Right. Because we're not put, we're not, we're not posting anything that's less than an hour. So then I tell that story, got us an extra five minutes. So guess what? Now he tells us another five minutes. Then he says, yeah, yeah, I went to prison and I got it. So with anything, what happened in prison? Oh, well, what was that like when you got out of prison?

Starting point is 00:32:59 Did you go to a halfway house? Did you like, I don't care if you went to a halfway house. We're trying to get over an hour. The guys are walking out the door like, yeah, bro, like I could tell. Like you really are concerned about how I'm doing. doing and I appreciate that. Stop it. Stop it. I need an hour. When you're interviewing, what, how do you, because I know you don't go off a note or anything. I don't, you, I don't have time. I had a guy the other day. He's like, yo, bro, I'm going to send you my book. I'd really

Starting point is 00:33:25 appreciate it if you'd read it first because I like you to know what the story is. Your book, how many pages is it? It's 300, 300, 300 pages. Because that's 10 hours of reading time, by the way, for someone who can read. It's probably 14 hours for me. But for someone who can read, it's about 10 hours. So I interview four to six people a week. If I had to read six people's books, that's 60 hours, really 90 hours for me. But let's say I'm a good reader, which I'm not. 60 hours and six interviews of two hours apiece.

Starting point is 00:34:01 How much fucking, like, who the fuck do you think you are that I'm going to read your fucking? You wouldn't even fake it out and just say like, yeah, yeah, send me the book. I'll take a look at it. I've had people that they're like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to try and get to it. I'm trying to get to it. Like, I'll say I'm going to try and get to it. But I don't get to it because I can't get you to it. It's no good anyway for me to know your story. If you can't tell your story, don't come on the program. I'm not going to pull your story out of it. You understand what happened. You understand the story you want to tell. I'm going to jump in there and try and help you guide you along the story. Yeah, but you're pulling. But you understand that the television interviews are just that because they'll go like, I've read your book, Jane. and this part, they're like mentioned certain parts. But that's a 10 minute interview or five or 10, you have two hours, three, four. You want to spend four hours on it?

Starting point is 00:34:47 Let's do four hours. Colby will trim it down. Yeah, but I don't want to, I don't want to ramble. Ramble, tell me about your childhood that means nothing, has nothing to do with your overall story. You know, you can tell me about an interesting story in your childhood. And Colby will get, we'll look at it and go, yeah, yeah, you know what, that 15-minute story he told me about his aunt dying of cancer.

Starting point is 00:35:08 It never really tied in. I understand it was sad and everything, but people are going to turn or going to click off. So clip, clip, boom, 15 minutes is gone. Thank God this guy went for three hours. Colby has taken four hour videos and turned him into an hour and 45 minutes just by chop, chop, chop, chop, chop. So tell me everything. Colby's going to trim it down. He's going to come up with what he thinks works.

Starting point is 00:35:30 And so far, it's been a working recipe. Luckily, I love the stories where the guy comes and sits down. When you told your story, you came and sit down, and I probably, out of that two hours and change, talk for five minutes, maybe 10. The best interviews are the ones where I sit there and go, right, right. Like, if the guy's been to prison, I did 10 years, and I got a pretty good story. You think, nice. He told the story for 10 years to all of his buddies. He knows what they reacted to.

Starting point is 00:35:58 He knows the setup. He knows when he told this one story one time and everyone's like, right, right, right. Okay. What happened then? man you know last time i told it everybody laughed he knows his favorite stories right and how to I set it up different last time yep okay then the next time he told it he he went ahead and mentioned this and everybody was ha ha ha ha he's like

Starting point is 00:36:19 right because I didn't this time I said it like this he's told his story 60 times in 10 years he knows how to tell it so I love this ones where they sit down and I get to go right right but then what happened right well I thought he was with you Oh, that's right. And that's all I have to do. The whole time I barely say anything. If I'm typically talking, maybe it's because the guy mentioned something that made me think,

Starting point is 00:36:45 oh, okay, you know what I do? Like maybe it is relevant. Like, yeah, yeah, I did meet a guy who was locked up for a Ponzi scheme. Yeah, yeah, he told me exactly the same thing. Oh, what kind of Ponzi? Oh, yeah, it was a bum, boom, well, when I tell it real quick and keep going. Or maybe I try and say something that helps support what you're saying. You know, because you said something and I thought, hmm, I think the way he said that,

Starting point is 00:37:02 it doesn't sound like that's something the government would do. and people are going to be in the comments saying that's bullshit, bro. The government would do that. So I'm going to go ahead and give him an example. Really, it's for the viewer. Right. That, no, no.

Starting point is 00:37:15 Oh, yeah, yeah. I actually knew a guy that got arrested and they found a bullet in the toolbox that was in the back of his car and he ended up getting an armed career criminal because they found a bullet. And he's been like, yeah, this is what happened to me. So yeah, bro, I could never believe that.

Starting point is 00:37:33 Saw his paperwork. I was like, that's insane. He's like, no, bro, I'm telling you. And I'm like, and so what, did you have a, did you have a gun, bro? I bought that car two weeks earlier, two weeks before that for 200 bucks. 200 bucks. I'd never cleaned it out. It was trashed.

Starting point is 00:37:47 It was a running vehicle for $200 or $1,000, or $1,000, whatever, he paid for it. They pulled me over, they searched the car. They found a fucking bullet. Wasn't even mine. I got 15 years. Get the fuck out of here. Why didn't you go to trial? Bro, I'm not going to go to trial.

Starting point is 00:38:01 They were going to give me life. They were going to me life. I'm going to get life. or I take the 15. I took the 15. So now that helps support your story because it's what you said, how you ended up. And the reader or the viewer doesn't realize, think, oh, bullshit, bro. You know that was your shit, bro.

Starting point is 00:38:16 You know, no, no, that happens. I've met a guy. I met a guy. I know you've met a guy. Right. So that's the only time I want to jump in there either to get time or to help support the story. Or sometimes I might even say, yeah, yeah, yeah, you sent me the fucking, you sent me the indictment or oh yeah is that part of this stuff you sent me because people will send me

Starting point is 00:38:37 stuff and i like to throw that in there whether i really reviewed it or not or i say yeah yeah i read the article because i probably did read the article if they send me an article i'll because i don't even read it i highlight it and i put no i highlight it and i push speak and it goes on january 7th jimmer january 17th you know i would read it for you round county yeah broward county arrested three people for an armed robbery and they they reads it to me if you want to get And you want to get Matt's natural reaction to, and it was this guy the whole time setting me up. Like, you don't want him to, he don't want him to already know. If I already know, I don't ask, I'm not going to ask any questions, you know, and I'm not going to be shocked or, because I know, yeah, yeah, I know he's telling me right now.

Starting point is 00:39:20 But I also know that, you know, he's telling me what happened, but I already know that it was his best friend that set him up. Yeah. And that gets tricky when I've seen you sit down with someone that you've been in prison with or they, Matt and the guests already know the story. and I'm sitting here trying to think, as a viewer, they're going over details that the viewer doesn't even know about. So it's good that he's somewhat left in the dark, and he at least knows where it's going, but you don't know how you get there.

Starting point is 00:39:45 Like the guy, like, Dalsy, I knew 25% of Dalsy's story. The guy that came that I was locked out with, we did a podcast the other day. And I knew some of it, but luckily I didn't know all of it, because my reactions were so, it was so over the top, like,

Starting point is 00:40:03 if I'd known them, I wouldn't have reacted that way. Because I'd have been like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the guy that says, oh, yeah, that would have been great. But, yeah. Were you laughing at his stories?

Starting point is 00:40:14 Well, you had to, bro. They were fucking hilarious. And he does the voices, and he's hilarious. And he's, and he was super. He knows how to tell, like, build up a story.

Starting point is 00:40:24 He's like, he's like talking about, uh, getting a penthouse in Atlanta. And he's like, I got the scab view, window, I got the car, I got this, I got that. Everything is going.

Starting point is 00:40:36 Everything is working. And then, at this very moment, at this very moment, Matt, he's like building up, everything came crashing down. And like, that's how he like tells the story, but he's, yeah. So what about the leasing, like the not leasing agent? She was a sales agent. Yeah. That really didn't want to show him, like, and she didn't really want to show him the place,

Starting point is 00:41:00 right? didn't really want to show him the place. Like, you know, he walked in. He's a black guy in Atlanta and she's kind of like, and he's not really, you know, sophisticated looking. Yeah. Well, first of all, he has a scar down his face, right? He looks like, you know, he looks like he could be a street guy.

Starting point is 00:41:20 And he is kind of a street guy, right? Like, he's been a street guy when he was younger, right? He just kind of evolved out of that when he started doing real estate. Yeah, real estate. state. So, but he's still, he's got this fucking scar. I mean, he looks like, and he's a, he's a big guy. And he comes in and she didn't really necessarily want to show him the place. And then she shows it to him. And then he comes down. He's like, okay, I'll take it. And she's like, it's this much. He's like, yeah, I know, I'll take it. And he's like, look, I'm going to give you a thousand

Starting point is 00:41:48 dollars earnest. She's like, sir, I'm not taking a thousand dollar earners deposit. People put down 10, $20,000. Like, I'm like, yeah, I know, but I'm going to put down a thousand and I'm going to she's like I'm not taking that he's like you have to take it you know so he has a whole disagreement with her and in the end she in the end he calls the owner to get call her to make her take the money and so she takes the money and then he said I'm going to buy it for your price in like five days or something was it five or 10 days or something I'm a buy it for the price you want on the, on the, um, contingent that she doesn't make a fucking dime. She didn't take the money.

Starting point is 00:42:35 She didn't this. She didn't. So they contingency. No. He said that. Yeah. Yeah. That she, you don't pay her a dime.

Starting point is 00:42:42 She didn't take the money. She didn't write the contract. She didn't this. So the guy, he ends up getting a deal with the guy. And then he does buy the project. And he says, so every day when I'm walking there every day, she sees me. He's like, so the first day he walked in, he's walking and he's like. And she's just like, no, not neighbors.

Starting point is 00:42:58 This is a salesperson. Oh, my God, $900,000 or $600,000. She would have made. What would she have made? She made 3%. That's, you know, God knows, that's what, 40, 50 grand? Because you wouldn't take $1,000 you wanted me to put up. You didn't think I was serious.

Starting point is 00:43:12 So, but it's a whole, you know what I'm saying? He had a whole presentation. But that's the great thing. The vengeance of it. Yeah, the guys that have been in prison, they tell them. They tell them. They've been telling them forever. So all you got to do is interview guys that have been in prison.

Starting point is 00:43:27 So it doesn't take any work on your part. Where do you get the people? Where do you get the people from prison? Well, no. From Instagram. I mean, Instagram or friends of friends. You got to start asking for, do you know somebody? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:40 You know anybody that will come on the podcast. Yeah. In the beginning, it was a lot of Matt just knew these guys. Oh, I know this guy. I know this guy. Oh, this guy knows somebody. This guy knows somebody. And then as it continues to grow,

Starting point is 00:43:52 you'll start to get into. Inbound messages. You'll start to get emails. You start to get DMs. You'll start getting people that are contacting you instead of you trying to fish out guest or, you know, scrape by for content. You know what I mean? And you might have to, there may be times when you're like, man, I got, you know,

Starting point is 00:44:09 it's good to have some in the hopper, right? But there may be times you're like, I got nothing. I've got nothing. But the most important thing is consistency. But I have nothing. So you just get on it yourself, right? That's right. You get on yourself.

Starting point is 00:44:23 man, I got in there, I went and I read two articles about some chick, and I'm going to read the article, and then I'm going to say what I think she did to get what she was doing. I'm not positive, but this is what I think she was doing, and you talk about it, you drag it out for 45 minutes to an hour. Maybe you do two articles on fraud, and you drag it out for an hour, which to me, that would be, it'd be tough, but you could do it. and you throw in some of your own stories in there. Rines, because I used to do this. And it ends up being about an hour, and then you post that video. Is it a dog shit video?

Starting point is 00:44:58 Yeah, it is. It is. So what? You're starting a fucking channel. Nobody's watching to begin with. What do you care if 400 people watch it? What do you care? What's important is...

Starting point is 00:45:07 It starts adding up. That's an hour. That's another hour. And you probably got a couple, probably got a couple people that, that subscribe because of it. And the biggest thing is consistent. See, YouTube's algorithm said he said he's been putting stuff out on Tuesdays and he put another one out on Tuesday.

Starting point is 00:45:27 And then at some point when you get enough that you've got a little bit of a backlog and you say, you know what I can do? I'm starting to get a check for a, I got a check last month for $1,200. I think if I were to put out two of these, I'll bet you in two months from now, I'll get a check for $2,200. And $2,200 is my rent. I could even take a day off work and do more. Really? So you start to see it and you're like, oh my God,

Starting point is 00:45:55 this is happening. So then you go ahead and do that again. Now I can really make an effort to try and get some people. I'll start, I'm going to start hounding people. Hang on out at the jailhouse. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:46:09 You need a right home. Come talk to me about it. That can mail in business cards to guys that are leaving. Like, hey, you know anybody is leaving? Got a good story? Give them a business card. Yeah. And that's it. You know, you just, you just do that and you, you, you, it starts to work. Next thing you know, that's your thing. That's your thing. It is like this level of commitment. It is because you have to work for nothing for a long time. You have to, yeah. You know, but you have to work. Even if it's for the money, like you're putting in the calls, the denials. It's just like telemarketing and you get nose and yeses and dealing with people. You're opening your own business. Yep. That's exactly what it is. You're opening your own business. It's a business. You're running a network. That's what you're running a network.

Starting point is 00:46:48 in a network. It's true. Matter of fact, you're running a larger network than, then NBC, CBS, and ABC had the ability to run back in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Oh, with exposure. Worldwide, and everybody has access to it, and they're all holding a device in their phone, in their hand, right?

Starting point is 00:47:16 How many people in the 50s or 60s? or 60s when NBC was going, was putting out, you know, putting out, you know, putting out, um,

Starting point is 00:47:26 whatever the tonight show, how many TVs were there in America? Because that's all it was, was America. It wasn't, it wasn't everywhere. This is worldwide. And I'll bet you there are 60 to 80 times as many cell phones right now.

Starting point is 00:47:41 Then there were TVs in the 1960s. 80. And that's, 100%. That's just in the United States. This is global. And, The 60s, I don't think there was any cell phones, but...

Starting point is 00:47:50 No, no, I'm saying TV. I said TVs compared to cell phones now. Yeah. I'm positive. I'm positive. Think about the... As far as reach, on average, or maybe even a little bit on the low end, because this was just yesterday, 28,000 watch hours on the main channel.

Starting point is 00:48:07 That's 1100 continuous days of just people watching the channel. And that's just for one day. For one day yesterday. And what that is. is it's a accumulation of 100, 200, two-hour interviews that people are watching. So, yeah, it just keeps, yeah. People are still watching stuff that we put out three years ago. Oh, I didn't send you that comment with a, this, this, uh, subscriber sent me that said,

Starting point is 00:48:34 I just finished. I saw that. For two, I just, over the last two years, every, I finished watching every single episode you put out in the last two years. Did you send her a cookie or something? No, because it was a woman. and I was a woman Oh, she's 33.

Starting point is 00:48:50 Was it the one that said, I'm a third, PSA or like PSA or I'm a 33 year old woman, whatever, yeah. Yeah, which, which. That woman should thank you. Is that same. How is Jess? I mean, Jess is 38. And 30, she just turned 39.

Starting point is 00:49:08 Sorry, she just turned 39. And yeah, so the fact that the woman, the fact that she said that in there, that, it wouldn't have gone well. There was, there was no good response. There wasn't even, hey, I think I did. Maybe I did send something. Hey, I appreciate it or something. Thanks so much.

Starting point is 00:49:23 Keep washing. Something very, very benign. And then pray that Jess. And to Jess, it felt very inviting. That's not benign at all. Do you love her? Have you? Wasn't that you that sent me that Mrs.

Starting point is 00:49:38 The Marvelous from, from, I can't even think of the name of the platform that you always send, your videos are from. Marvellous Instagram Instagram Yeah it's that woman The crazy woman

Starting point is 00:49:56 That's like crazy about her husband Her husband has a big thick mustache What's her name? What is her name? I don't know It's marvelous something She's so funny Oh yes

Starting point is 00:50:07 She's a psycho And now she's pregnant Like I was watching like This bitch is crazy She's bringing a child Oh my God And her man is just like like whatever you want baby whatever you are shakes his head the funniest one is when she says

Starting point is 00:50:23 she goes uh um i don't know his name like rick or something like that or or what let's say let's say you know rick she's like uh she goes you still in love with your you or you still you still you still you're in love with your first love she still in love with her and he goes yeah he's because it's you she says you fucking lie you lie i know who your first love is she's said she goes she's a um she's a homemaker yeah she's a nice homemaker a good girl no toxicity in that bitch she makes fucking um she breaks bakes bread on the weekend yep you could have had a good life but not an ounce of toxicity in that bitch you could have had a good life but that's not what you signed up for is it that's not what you i mean it's so and he just sits there like

Starting point is 00:51:15 oh my god, this crazy. I've watched a bunch of hers. Oh, yeah, she's hilarious. You identify. Oh, she's a lunatic. I'm like, this bitch is a lunatic. She's hilarious, though. There's a comparable couple

Starting point is 00:51:29 like that on TikTok that's very funny. It's like where this woman is threatening a guy, but that bitch is a lunatic. I love her. I love, oh, my God. Are you attracted? Oh, my God. She's a lunatic.

Starting point is 00:51:42 And she's not even that, I mean, she's pretty. but she's not that pretty. She's got a lot of strong features, but that probably explains how she talks. She's a tough chick. Oh, my God. That poor guy, that guy, he's talking about doing time.

Starting point is 00:51:59 He's doing some time. And then I wonder how real that is of that relationship. You know what I'm saying? How much of that is just staged talking? I mean, those are great, though. Oh, man. Her name is The Marvelous. It's marvelous.

Starting point is 00:52:15 something. Marvelous Nancy or something. I don't know. You don't know. I'm telling you. And he doesn't even like, I don't fucking know what this bitch is. No,

Starting point is 00:52:23 I've seen a bunch of hers too, because I always show them to Jess. We laugh and laugh. Oh, Jess laughs at those? She's hilarious. She's like, I love it.

Starting point is 00:52:31 She's hilarious. You see, that's crazy. That's crazy. And I like, that's what Jess says? Yeah. I'm not crazy.

Starting point is 00:52:40 What you know what's so funny about Jess is that she genuinely out of every chick I've ever dated is the least crazy chick I've ever dated. Really? Really. Like she's not, you know. She seems very. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:53 She really isn't. She has a spike here or there, but she also will say something crazy. And of course, I just laugh most of them. I'm just laugh. Because I know, I know that she's, you know, whatever. I don't know what's going on, but, you know, you're getting a little bit, a little crazy. She'll go, you think this. And then she'll stop and I'm laughing.

Starting point is 00:53:14 And it makes her. more mad when I laugh. And then she goes upstairs and then like five minutes later she comes down to her. She's like, look, I might have been a little crazy earlier. Okay. And I'm sorry about that.

Starting point is 00:53:23 But you made me mad. You know, and I'm like, I know, I know, that was probably out of line. That's awesome. You know,

Starting point is 00:53:30 and I'm like, it's fine. That's awesome that you have somebody that can catch. Can relate to all that stuff. Oh yeah, because the other ones never. They'd never admit that they had made a mistake or that they were. That's the basis of the whole.

Starting point is 00:53:43 The one you went on the run with. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She was just bipolar. Actually, it was funny, too, is that, like, it's always like, like, two days later, Jess will come running downstairs. She's like, this couple here. What's their name? Have you met that one? No, I've seen a bunch of hers, but theirs are all staged. The other chick, she just puts the cell phone and says, I got a question for you.

Starting point is 00:54:30 And then he'll walk in, she'll go, I got a question for you. And he'll be like, oh, God. Are we doing a tick on? Yep. So listen to this. I want to know what was such a he'll be like, oh, my God, I don't know. I don't know what I did. I don't know why I said that.

Starting point is 00:54:44 Well, what are you thinking? She gets all upset. So, so what are we doing? What are we doing? Are we doing in 25? No, I know, but I mean, what are we doing in 2025? We got to get to six here soon. Oh, oh, yes.

Starting point is 00:54:58 What is your plan? My plan. My plan is working. I've got it. I've written, I'm working on a plan right now. I mean, it's pretty much a. essentially what the same thing we're doing, but to focus on better guests. This is going to say my plan.

Starting point is 00:55:13 Colby's got my plan. Better stories and better quality. I found it. Better. Better guests. So you guys, you guys enjoy your. Yeah. By better guests.

Starting point is 00:55:25 Yeah. By better guests having more volume. Like, so we're sending up automations where people message them and we directly send them links. Fill out this form. Fill out this form. So instead of having 10 people to shoot from, we have 50 guests. to choose from so we can pick out the best stories. And then like when there's trending topics,

Starting point is 00:55:42 like the guy getting shot in New York or the drones flying over New Jersey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like those things, like we need to be actively seeking out, you know, quote unquote experts that could talk on those subjects because some of our best performing videos this year were stream yards about Ditty. And it's because the masses care about it. Like I was showing my dad the YouTube channel and he's like, oh man, Diddy, that's a good topic.

Starting point is 00:56:07 And my dad has no clue about any of all this, but he sees Diddy and he knows. And your dad knows Diddy, that's the beautiful part. Yeah. So he's like, yeah, I don't know. I wanted to mention because we had talked about this is that when the CEO thing happened, I immediately texted like probably the next day or when I realized it was starting to kind of be big deal. I texted Tom Simon. Excuse me. I texted Tom Simon, which is a retired FBI agent that.

Starting point is 00:56:37 we have on. And I asked him like, hey, can you, would you like to do something on this, like in the next few days? And he actually, he's like, I can't because I'm leaving for three days. I was like, okay, what about next week? He is can't. I'm going to be home for one day. I have to catch up work. And the following day, I'm leaving for wherever he was going for four days. So it was like, I was like, okay, well, maybe something else will happen and we'll have you on. But I mean, it's trended down at this point. I don't think they had even caught the guy yet when I texted him. Well, they caught him and, like, there's a bunch of hoopla about him.

Starting point is 00:57:08 No, I know that. But I'm saying I was hoping, I've got a retired FBI agent that has hunted guys down. And it was like, hey, how great would that have meant for us to talk? We can once talk about the whole, what happened, what do you think happened? How are they going to try and catch this guy? That's an hour. And then we could have put it up. But we didn't have enough time.

Starting point is 00:57:27 But we need a group of experts that we get our go-to guys is what it. Yeah, quickly, like, hey, can you do a podcast? tomorrow because we did do a we talked about it with a lawyer and we did packaged it it did it did well and then we posted a TikTok one TikTok alone got two million views and made over a thousand dollars just a 60 second clip of him talking about that subject it's because there's so many people interested in it so finding experts trying to find experts or really making sure we're making videos about along with people's stories making videos about these trending topics that millions of people are interested in as long as if it's somewhat into the you know crime genre right so his yeah

Starting point is 00:58:09 so i'm sorry you're good so think about it the lawyer's video made 900 bucks two hour video well whatever it was hour and i don't know what it was hold on uh yeah two hour and 20 minute video made 900 but the short made a thousand actually made more like 1500 wow so it was saying we were talking about the the guy and that was a very small that was actually in the back half of the podcast but since I knew we were going to top title of that I took that 20 minute segment

Starting point is 00:58:45 and moved it to the very front so they start off talking about that and then they transition into all these other different things wow so yeah hey I'll tell you something right now is we had a guy this is a perfect example of someone

Starting point is 00:59:01 of the difference between getting somebody that's high profile that you think is going to do amazing and then just getting a regular guy. I'm not going to play it, but look at this guy. Dad? Yeah. Who is it? Dad.

Starting point is 00:59:23 So it was the Sultan, you know, who I'm saying? He was the Salt and Pepper Banded. Him and a black guy and a white guy were robbing. Beavich Castle. beverage castles, you know, the one you drive through all around here. Robbed 15, 20, 30 of them? 26 or 27? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:41 And he, listen, he was hilarious. He was? Old guy. Oh, you thought he was, if I said he thought he was something special, but he did. No, no, I'm saying it's a difference between, like, somebody who can tell his story, it doesn't have an amazing story. 20C, he's a robber. He's robbing people.

Starting point is 00:59:58 And somebody who maybe stole $100 million and you think, oh, this guy's going to be amazing. Like, what a great, what an amazing story. Yeah, but he can't really tell it. This guy can tell the story. And it was hilarious. He was hilarious telling the story. Funny, great. Doesn't have to be over the top.

Starting point is 01:00:15 That's what I'm saying for guests. Right. Doesn't have to be an over-the-top guest. Doesn't have to be somebody who's polished. He damn sure wasn't polished. But he was very self-aware. He's like, you know, and, yeah, I remember, I got that money. I got that money.

Starting point is 01:00:31 I'm like, well, that's a lot of money. Yeah, I don't know. We smoked that up. We smoked that up. Yeah, we got some rock. We got some rock. And that rock, you know, so like three days later, that money gone. That money on gone. We got a lot. We got a lot. So, uh, then we, then we got, you know, we didn't have. I'm like, so what, what did you do? We didn't have a gun yet. Now, we just walked up with a hand a bite. Like, get that. Motherfucker. You know, I mean, he does a whole thing. We were like, this guy's fucking hilarious. He's like country. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Great story. No, no, no. We smoked that up. Yeah, no, we smoke that. We stay in the hotel, you know, get some hookas, get some holes.

Starting point is 01:01:07 Yeah, yeah, I mean, he's the whole thing. Like, I'm like, like, when he said, the way he said it. Yeah. Oh, there's the opening clip, he's like, I think he's talking about when he's in prison. Like, he's getting stuff, he's like, get some hand, get some wee, get some a. And this guy, yeah. The way, it's funny. But that's what I'm saying, like, you don't have to, when you find your guests, you don't have to find some

Starting point is 01:01:30 amazing over the top. You can just get some normal people and they'll have a... Yeah, some normal guy that went to prison for five or six years. Like, he's got a story. Yeah. You know, you get six years in, in Florida State prison or the feds or something. You got a story. You can talk for an hour about it. And sometimes I think with Matt, it's the class, it's the clash between their personality and yours. The fact that you're kind of like, okay, now, can you kind of wipe that up a little bit? Or what was, The guy, just a tad, not much. The Irish guy.

Starting point is 01:02:04 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what he was saying. Like, half the time, I'm like, I would look and you would, I'd be like, he, he, he, yeah, my, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, my, he was like, my, ma'amah, my mother and my father. And it's like, oh, your mother and your father, okay, okay, go ahead. Remember, bettid, de robed method? What was it? That's how you say it. D-Roh method, but D-Rose is the name, method is what he was saying.

Starting point is 01:02:35 I don't think when the Irish, it seems like when they, they don't pronounce the H or something. D-Roh, method? Yeah. What are you saying? What is it? Method. Method. Method.

Starting point is 01:02:44 Method. Method. Method. Method. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. But that's what you're saying. But that was like a five-minute thing at the end of the conversation.

Starting point is 01:02:50 But a good dynamic is Matt and the FBI agent. They both. I, I, he, he, you know, yeah, he just, he doesn't. he doesn't find my FBI agent Yeah he's a retired FBI agent And we've had a few of them And he's a recurring guest

Starting point is 01:03:07 Is that He it bothers him And he'll say it He's like Your Your empathy for these criminals Bothers me And I

Starting point is 01:03:17 Really? I'm like empathy Talk about it What are talking about empathy? I said What about that guy? I said you have no empathy For that guy

Starting point is 01:03:24 He's in prison He's a widower And he's like He killed his wife With a hammer I said still still, you know, he's a widower. And he's, I mean, he's a victim and he's like, I mean, that his, because he is very much a straight man.

Starting point is 01:03:40 You know, if we were like a comedy, I would be the funny comic and he would be the, the, the straight man. Yeah, it's like, it's like the devil and the angel on your shoulder. They both, they both, and he did financial. He did financial crimes. He caught financial crimes. So it's like he was, he was investigating financial. Yeah. So he breaks down the crimes that he solved.

Starting point is 01:03:58 And Matt's over here, like, he did. Well, like, can you blame him? I don't even think they said, I don't even think that's illegal. Really shouldn't even be illegal? Should he? Like, yes, it's illegal. Yeah, you know, if I was just stealing from the bank. Everybody does that.

Starting point is 01:04:12 That's what, nobody does that. That's not a crudson victimless crime. Is that really? Shake his head. Financial crimes are a, it, it's weird because, like, coming from our side and their side, because they believe it's illegal. what do they call it access devices? If you set up to accept credit cards,

Starting point is 01:04:34 they're like, oh, that's possession of access devices. Like, enhancement. Yeah, what? Like you say, I don't even think that's illegal. Or what they consider wire fraud is... Anything. I'm trying to think, what were we talking about? I was that you and I talking about what wire fraud is?

Starting point is 01:04:52 When they had the wire fraud charges, like, how broad is that bullshit? Money laundering. Money laundering? wire fraud. Wait, I'm like laundering money. That's like when you're trying to take dirty money and make it appear clean. No, no. For tax purposes.

Starting point is 01:05:08 Just removing money out of the bank. They consider money laundering. Money laundering. What are you talking about? Like, I got a credit card in somebody else's name and then I, and then I withdrew money out of that credit card from an ATM. Money laundering. Money laundering.

Starting point is 01:05:24 How the fuck is that money laundering? That's what they were saying. Like, I was opening up bank accounts. and then I would borrow money and stick the money in the bank and I would remove the money from the bank. And these people don't even exist. And I would remove the money and they go, that's money laundering. How is that money laundering? That's just stealing. That's just part of the fraud.

Starting point is 01:05:41 That's bank fraud. Bank fraud and money and money and wire fraud because they had to wire that money in the bank. So Jesus God, Almighty. Like what are you doing? Move that money from one account to another account is considered wire fraud. It's insanity. It's insanity. The broadness of it.

Starting point is 01:05:58 And so I could imagine talking to a financial crimes FBI agent because his concept is like, that's clearly a crime. He's disgusted with him. Listen, Tom Simons is disgusted with me. He would be a reoccurringly disgusted. His audience is disgusted with Tom that he would sit down with Matt. Yeah, they give him a hard time. How dare you go on this man's platform and give him the,

Starting point is 01:06:28 the validity of having a decorated FBI agent. Like, what are you thinking? What are you? It's like, that's what they tell him? That's what they tell him in comments. What's his view of that? It's fine. He's like some people like,

Starting point is 01:06:40 some people like, I'm all right. He's like, I know, I know. He's like, he said he responds like, you know, he's a reformed, a reformed, you know, con man who's making an honest living. But, you know, there are some people like, it doesn't matter what you do or how much you reform, it doesn't matter.

Starting point is 01:06:57 You broke a law. Once you've been a, you are a different class. Yeah, you committed fraud. You're always a scumbag. It's like, what are you talking about? Like I grew up. I got married. I had two kids.

Starting point is 01:07:07 I put them through college. I worked a regular. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Like, okay, you know what? You're just trying to feel good about yourself. That's what it is. You're not an unhappy person.

Starting point is 01:07:16 That's insanity. So what is, so what is your goal? Real quick, what is your goal? Not real, take your time. But I'm saying, let's focus on what is your goal for 2025? Um, my goal is to impeach Trump. Go ahead. Impeach Trump.

Starting point is 01:07:34 That episode's not out of. That episode will be coming. Yeah, because that's all aired before that. Um, I would say my daughter graduated, um, and her- Graduated or graduate? She's going to go. She's good. She graduates this year.

Starting point is 01:07:49 Um, purchase, purchase a vehicle. Um, take three, go out of town or out of state three times. Um, um, and relish my freedom. More podcasts. Make a commitment that I can uphold, even if it's just me sitting down and talking. I'm going to start doing that when just I think about it

Starting point is 01:08:13 because I think I can do 40, 50 minutes, just reliving one of my stories from prison. And I've been wanting to do that anyway because I think about those stories all the time. So it's to get to where my podcasting is independent, but I absolutely want to buy another. I want a new car. I've been wanting that forever.

Starting point is 01:08:33 So one a week. One a week. One a week. At least. Yeah, that's a bare minimum you have to do. That's a realistic mandatory. Achievement. Achievement.

Starting point is 01:08:50 And what's yours? What's your goal? My goal is along those lines. Like I see it, you guys. are always showing me like like this is it like this is a thing so we we we we I've definitely been locked in like understanding this stuff and and getting going well besides that like I want to start back with the cars you know what you just don't believe I have a auctioneer's license he does and sell car no I believe that I mean I I just don't think he's auctioning and buying cars I just don't think

Starting point is 01:09:30 that's what his primary source of income is. But yeah, yeah, no. And that's a good point. So I want my primary source of income to be along these lines. And I think that it's definitely plausible and viable. We definitely have a plan. I have a plan. And I'm going to stick to it this year.

Starting point is 01:09:57 I got a problem stream yard because going to his place is like, well, I got to have a plan. I work the camera and set up. And like after two hours, I'm like, I'm going. I'm leaving. You have to learn these cameras. Like, I'm looking at the setup around here. I'm taking these notes now that I,

Starting point is 01:10:12 he might need your help. What would you charge him? Kobe to come by and get him set up to wait. To come get it set up. I mean, I can come by and set it up one day. The biggest time thing is editing is, yeah, the editing and the management. Like, if you're filming it on your own, but yeah, listening to the two hour conversation and stuff, going there.

Starting point is 01:10:31 if you both could individually have a setup to where you turn on the actual camera like this and you have a good podcast mic for when you're feeling inspired or were you ready to go, you can do that, ease of access, making it easiest possible to start it up and do it

Starting point is 01:10:45 is probably one of the most important things that do for the first year just to get it out, you know what I mean? Just to have something that's quality that you can just easily press, record and get it up, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:10:57 Because in the beginning I think it's more about the consistency and as long as it's quality than all the extra bells and whistles. Get the ball rolling and then you work on upgrading this and upgrading that and things like that. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:11:14 Well, he has the cameras. Yeah. Right. And then you can learn, you know, another thing to try and learn is to do editing, is to edit it. So if you could edit the stream yards,

Starting point is 01:11:25 you can get it to the point where it looks almost like this. Well, I have an independent, I've got an editor, uh, Risk line. Instagram. Um, but like he does a great job at like putting B roll stuff in, kind of the vision of what I, I would like it to look for it. It's the lighting. I got to figure out. It's, it's, it's, it's a lighting. And that's one of my things for this year is I want to get somebody that does this professional, like professional professionally. I want to send him, hey we have this is what we have this is our settings what could we do if anything that with what we

Starting point is 01:12:05 can we do anything a little bit great like when you look at the youtube video and it looks like it's in the studio for real studio the lighting is kind of perfect your face could look a little more handsome but not according to not according to him but well the editing and stuff helps them you guys should see them live. I was going to say it is a studio. It just happens to be in my living room. Well, it looks like

Starting point is 01:12:34 professional. It looks very professional. It is professional because I'm about to insult them no matter what I say. No, what I'm going to say is it's funny because then, you know, Boziac, right, is in Thailand. So he was putting out his videos on first channel

Starting point is 01:12:49 and some guy contacted him. A guy that is because Bosiac was interviewed by a. a Russian podcaster. And during that podcast, they kept saying that John Boziac is the Russian Ivan, whatever the guy's name is, some Russian thing. So they have a John Bozziak in Russia who was doing credit card fraud.

Starting point is 01:13:13 And everybody knows. So they kept saying, oh, he's the, he's the American version of Ivan or whatever the guy's name is. I think I saw that. Right. So, well, that guy reached out to Bozzi. Boziac's in Thailand and the guy's like, hey, why don't you fly down to, I forget the name of the city. And whatever, it's this $80 flight there and back.

Starting point is 01:13:35 And he was like, he was like, I'm Phuket. He's like, I live in Phuket. And apparently there's a large Russian population in Phuket. And he was like, really? He's like, I got a whole studio. I would like to interview you. So they, he flew down, was interviewed by him. And Boziac put the interview up on his, like he interviewed him and him, he interviewed, they interviewed

Starting point is 01:13:55 each other and then he put it up on his on his video or on his podcast on his YouTube channel well the quality of this guy's podcast you very quickly look at it and you're like wow oh wow like that's it's it's it you look at ours and it's like a good quality for the money we've got as much bang as you can as you can get out of our buck but you can tell this guy it's he must be shooting in everything's in 4k. The cameras have to be just over the top. And Boziac said, listen, you walk in there, he goes, it's, it's,

Starting point is 01:14:32 he says, it may very well be one of the best, um, studios I've ever been in. Yeah, I was curious to ask him about that. Because that's, because when I open the video, that's the first thing I thought. That's one of the reasons why I wrote better quality for some of the goals of his here. Because like, you open up that YouTube video and you're like, wow.

Starting point is 01:14:48 Well, it would have to be the camera, wouldn't it? It's, it's the camera and it's a lighting. Well, it's, they're in a big, probably in a big room and it's dark and if he turned the lights off it'd be completely pitch black. So like behind it. So it's like it can help. You can probably do more with that. Hold on.

Starting point is 01:15:11 I can't see the flowers from one. That does. And I forgot about it because I'm because I was. Wow. That looks like television. So I can tell that the lighting. But then he's got plants in the background. You can see it's a living room, right?

Starting point is 01:15:33 Yeah. It can be. It's actually not. So I give you an example is that like this has to fit in my living room. Right. You know, and I've got another year on my lease. In a year from now, when we get a bigger place, all of this will be expanded. These will go back slightly.

Starting point is 01:15:52 This whole thing will shift forward so that there's a wall, but it's much. You'll see depth behind these things. so that you could, there's a hole, it'll be like, you'll be able to walk out this way. So these will be brought back. All this will be shifted forward. So, so that you can see the depth of everything. There'll be more shadows, more. So mine would look more like that.

Starting point is 01:16:10 I don't have the room to do it. He does. And this is not his living room. This is his studio. He goes, this guy's got an entire house filled with studios. He's got like four or five different studios. The guy's running, the guy's running like five different YouTube channels, all in Russian. And I don't even, it's none of my business, but I mean, I know what the amount.

Starting point is 01:16:27 but he told him like what he's making it's it's over the top like if you the amount of money these guys in russia no he's in in puquette uh Thailand right it's like it's like a 30 minute flight from Bangkok so and he lives there there's a large russian population there and he's got he's got a couple houses that one house is his entire studio he's like these you understand the entire community is nothing but russians they speak like it's all Russian. So but that guy yeah he's got in one house he's you know multi multi multi multi millionaire. So he you can imagine what you can do with that kind of money and he's hugely popular. He's got five different channels. But all right. So where is his channel's popular in Russia?

Starting point is 01:17:16 In Russia. Oh, that's what I was asking. This is, yeah, this is the first time he's ever done an English interview. He doesn't like his English. He's upset about he's like he wants his English to get better. I felt his English was very good. I didn't even notice that he didn't. speak good. It's obvious it's not his first language, but it's pretty damn good. Like it's pretty good. You know,

Starting point is 01:17:37 but you feel uncomfortable, you know, obviously you feel uncomfortable in speaking another language if you don't feel fluent. And YouTube channels in Russia, he's making a ton of money. Is that what you say?

Starting point is 01:17:47 Yeah. And rules. Wow. And rubles. He said he pays all his guys in rubles. He said, which is better than probably a million dollars.

Starting point is 01:17:55 Now have you, Matt, I'll send this to you. I'm curious if you've seen this. But it's a quality. Like Boziak said this guy, the quality of this guy's,

Starting point is 01:18:06 he said, this is like going to a, um, a Hollywood studio. He said, every camera is, you can look at it and be like, dear God,

Starting point is 01:18:17 that's like a movie quality. I don't know if you've ever seen them like the, the cameras now that, you know, they don't have these big cameras. They're still, they're compact. They're,

Starting point is 01:18:25 they're not very large, but you look at them and they're, they're big. They're called. They're like they've, it's a design called red, red cameras. They've got, and you look at these things and they don't have little tiny. Well, I was just because they don't have little tiny lenses. They've got massive lenses.

Starting point is 01:18:39 They've got, they can, they could take, they can zoom in on anything and crop out anything you want. Even though it's really a huge picture, they could zoom right in on you and you think the camera was right here. Like, I mean, they're just over the top. And he said, that's what this guy got. He's his super quality operation that he's running. Wow. I hate him already. Yes. But, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:19:04 Like that he obviously started small. You know, it's like you start small and you wait and then one day you turn around and it's blowing up. You've got five channels making roubles. Oh, did I cut you all? Oh, no, I just sent you a video. Has Zach seen the Spanish? Oh, the Spanish? Yes, you said that to me.

Starting point is 01:19:20 Of us talking in Spanish. What was the topic of that video? I just said the Spanish channel just posted the Christmas themed, the holiday themed one. God, that's fun. Have you seen this? Six. Yeah, so we have a Spanish channel. You know what's funny is it sounds like us.

Starting point is 01:19:39 The voices actually sound. I'll be the judge of that. I'm like, what? Is that you? Is that you? That was me, Tom. Wait, we got to do that. You got here, look.

Starting point is 01:20:14 Is he laughing in Spanish? Come on, where's that? No, come on, I'm talking too much. Hold on, look. You look like you can be old dark-skinned and Cuban. That drinks really dark coffee. That is hilarious. You know what I said funny what's it.

Starting point is 01:20:38 You know what I was going to say it's not doing great. I wonder. I wonder. You know what? You know what's funny is I wonder like it's not And the Spanish channel's not doing great. It's not?

Starting point is 01:20:53 No. I mean, yeah, it's got one video. One ditty video has 4,000 views. The rest, though, have a couple hundred. Yeah, maybe a couple hundred. Oh, like my channel. What? What, what, what, how horrible?

Starting point is 01:21:05 What have. How many subscribers? 69 or 8? Yeah, not doing great. I wonder if we need them to switch it to... Russian? Russian. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:17 I can email them. Because Russians, listen, Russians love criminals. You know? Especially fraudulently. And we love Russians. Especially fraudulent criminals. Right. You know?

Starting point is 01:21:27 I wonder... Nine! We could fly out to Thailand. Do an interview with that guy. Do an interview with that guy. I bet Boziac could get me on his channel. And if we had a Russian channel set up, maybe try and conscript some of his subscribers.

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Starting point is 01:21:59 It was multiple plane rides. It was like 12 hours in this plane ride, seven hours in this one. Eight, yeah, oh, 60. I mean, it was little, it was like four or five plane rides. Like, imagine. That's brutal. Yeah, that is.

Starting point is 01:22:15 That's brutal. Like sitting in that position, the restlessness of walking back, everybody just walking through the aisles. And I have to be up front. I have to be business class. Oh, I'm sleep. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep,

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Starting point is 01:23:58 you would ride regular I've never phone business I never phone Yeah One time my wife had a business She her friend upgraded her to business Because he talked to the customer service

Starting point is 01:24:13 And I was like oh Like ask them if they got an extra one for me They just gave you one the next day So they asked like hey like is there an extra And then whoever the new customer service person Was like oh sorry that was given to her by mistake Actually she does not have business class And they pulled it from

Starting point is 01:24:28 And then yeah So I spent my last day of vacation on the phone. Hearing about it. Yeah. Yeah, I've never fun. I've never fun. I've never phone business.

Starting point is 01:24:39 Like, it's like a bus seat. You know, but with three people. Yeah, I flew. I flew like that as a child, but when I have grown up money, 30 hours. 30 hours. 30 hours.

Starting point is 01:24:52 Have you flown on air? And everything else is. Have you flown car in air? Have we all, all of us have, no. I haven't. So what? So what's the Conair experience? Are you handcuffed getting on the plane?

Starting point is 01:25:07 You're in a shackled. You're in a pile of in a paper suit. You're here. Where did you fly to? The guys very respectful to you? The guys? Yeah. No.

Starting point is 01:25:18 You get on there. They're all like, hey, girl, what's your rank number? Like seven girls and the rest of the plane was men. Conair. So you were flying to Illinois? I flew to the transfer center, which is. Oklahoma? And then to Illinois.

Starting point is 01:25:38 That's when you started off in the Illinois? No, I started here at Coleman. I went to Illinois for our back. Oh. Did you hear about a plot on a plane to overtake it? No. No? I flew, I had to go to Beaumont,

Starting point is 01:25:55 so I went from Coleman to Oklahoma, and then from Oklahoma to Beaumont. What was so sad is I was terrified to go to the penitentiary. so when they when I ship me I was hoping I'd be in transit like five or six months my my my my prayer was I'm gonna beat this shot it's gotten me the points before before I get to before I get to the pen and then I could stop them for dropping me off there no you did not pick me up and had me in the pen like within hours he was in the pen he went to the pen with the pen

Starting point is 01:26:28 he went to the pen for six six solid years I got there in February of 2012 and left in February of 2018. Low. I started up. Yes. I started in the low, but I was only there a few months before they realized that I was medium points.

Starting point is 01:26:49 And everyone's like, oh, you're only going to, I was only in the low about 50 some odd days. Oh, we got to sing you to the medium. Your points call for you to be a medium. But you'll probably be back in six months is what they told me. So then they shipped me over to Coleman Medium. And then from Coleman Medium,

Starting point is 01:27:05 they shipped me to the penitentiary. He went up and up Everybody goes What? You went in the wrong direction Well, why did you go Because of some stuff that happened At the medium?

Starting point is 01:27:21 Yes, I did tax They accused me of tax fraud You almost slipped out I didn't They accuse him And yet we've never gotten that We've never really gone Righteous indignation

Starting point is 01:27:36 That they would dare accuse a serial career fraud. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. And then they, so they shipped me from and when I left, what's his name?

Starting point is 01:27:52 What was his name? I forgot the fat S-I-S-I-S-G guy. Mello. Mettles, what was his name? I don't know. I hated you though. Right? Yes. Mellows. I forgot what his name was. He told me he goes, I'm sending, I go, where am I going, bro?

Starting point is 01:28:11 He goes, I'm sending you somewhere where you'll never do tax fraud again. I'm like, hmm, do they have a phone there? So what was worse in the pen? What was the worst place? I say Coleman medium. All right, so there was a lot of violence at the pen. And at one point, there was a complete riot on the compound. upon which I walked back to my unit without getting into a fight,

Starting point is 01:28:42 which I thought was amazing. You know, it's like, yeah, between, I, it's black and whiter. It appeared to be, yes, and I didn't know if it was blacks, white, we were locked down about four months, but, you know, I was, when I went to the, the pen, I had told myself, I'm going to become a law guy. That way I don't have to fight.

Starting point is 01:29:09 You know, I can try to avoid and I can act like I'm helping people. So when I got there. And charge them. I can fuck up their case. I can charge them and fuck up their cases. No nobody ever beat up the law guy. They shouldn't. They shouldn't protect me.

Starting point is 01:29:23 So I get there. And so when the riot breaks out, there's all kind of rumors. So I'm in the library typing. And then the deucees go off outside. So you hear the tower shooting. Then there's fighting. So when you're in the library, you can look out on the rec yard. So, and I could see the tower.

Starting point is 01:29:39 So there's fighting outside. Then there's fighting in the library. So I'm looking around. Then there's fighting here. Then there's fighting there. The cops are running all over the place. You guys get down. They come in to try to break up a fight there.

Starting point is 01:29:52 So then I started packing myself up. He has a missed a key show. No, I started packing my stuff up in my bag. I'm like, oh, snap. So I said, let me see if I can get back to my unit or just stand by the door. So I work and I go by the door, the door is open. I go out the door. I walk through the compound, through the rec yard.

Starting point is 01:30:13 It's fighting everywhere. And I'm just walking. You know, and sometimes I'm like, and I'm walking. And I get all the way back to my unit. The unit door is open. I go through the unit door up to my cell, and I close to it. And I get on my bunk and lay that out with the book. So sometimes when I would mow your yard or,

Starting point is 01:30:39 The pen rather than in the medium, whatever. I was a pen in Vermont, Texas. Oh, okay. But I was in the medium. There are these, like, big booms when they lock you guys down and you guys start fighting. Are those, like, flashbang grenades? Yes. Okay.

Starting point is 01:30:53 That's what they are. Get on the ground. Get on the ground or you will be fired upon. Their concussion grenades. And if one goes off near you, it actually does make you dizzy. He's like, it's funny. We'd be walking the track at the low. which was close to the pen.

Starting point is 01:31:11 Yes. Way closer to the pen than it is to the medium. And you'd be walking around and you'd hear, and then you'd hear, and then you'd walk in the track going, holy shit. You know, you'd hear there,

Starting point is 01:31:25 get on the ground, get on the ground, you will be fired about, boom, and you'd hear, and I would remember we'd be walking the track around. I'd be, boy, I'm glad I'm not over there.

Starting point is 01:31:32 I forgot the spill of sight. All inmates stopped your activity. Sounds bad over there. Thank God. Did they have a recording? All. All inmates stop your activity. Get down and lay down on the ground.

Starting point is 01:31:45 Lethal force is imminent. They used to have like a little recording they would play. Did they have that? Did you guys ever hear that? No, it was like, it was like get on the ground or you'll be five. Yeah, they were yelling it in the out of the thing. Where we were, they had a recording. It would start. Like the deuses would go off.

Starting point is 01:32:02 All inmates stop your activity. You know, we'd be, oh, shit. Oh, man. I feel like we had completely different. I think you had different experience than Matt? Yeah, absolutely. Why do I envision Matt at this Caucasian prison? Nah, you went to the low.

Starting point is 01:32:24 It wasn't. The same announcer tells them, coffee and latte will be served before. So, I'm going to tell you all I remember about the, I was only there 40 days. And I didn't really have a chance to complain about the dorm because I was, first of all, the shock of prison was still very fresh.

Starting point is 01:32:42 So I'm there and I'm just like, what the fuck? The only thing I specifically remember is the interview about like they were basically saying we've got some, like it's a privilege to be here. This is one of the privilege compounds. This is the intro. This is when you get off the bus and you talk to by. And I remember thinking like, what the fuck are they talking about? But he's going only certain people are here. We've got things going.

Starting point is 01:33:09 Oh, I'm trying to remember what he was saying. He's basically saying either. you get with the program or you'll be quickly removed from this place. Yeah, it was basically the same thing. They said, we're not, you're not going to have a problem here unless you have a problem with the indigenous population. And I was like, chose. You got a lot of shows here, don't you?

Starting point is 01:33:28 That's exactly what they were talking. Yeah. He's the one to explain that to him. I'm like, oh. He's like, don't bother him. Don't, you know, he's like, follow the rules. And he said it the best I had ever heard. He explained the low the best I've ever heard it.

Starting point is 01:33:44 He said, indigenous, I like that term. He goes, let me explain. He said, at the pen, he said,

Starting point is 01:33:49 the simplest way to put it, how it works here is this. He said, at the pins, he is at the pin, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing us. He says at the medium,

Starting point is 01:33:59 we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing each other. He is at the low, we're trying to keep the inmates following the rules. He was followed the rules, and you'll be fine. Is it okay,

Starting point is 01:34:09 I'm good. What about the unwritten, rule of no messing with the chomos. No, no, he had already said that as long as you don't have a problem with, he said, you're going to be fine, as long as you don't have a problem with the indigenous population, which is here. I said, oh, I said, that's right. You got a bunch of shows, right?

Starting point is 01:34:23 You said that? Yeah. Well, because he said indigenous population. Would you by yourself when you did this interview? It was, it was a guy from SIS. And it was me. And it was a little room. They had everybody walk in.

Starting point is 01:34:34 They pulled you out. You walked in, stood there. There's a guy in the hallway. I mean, like, there's two or three inmates that are in the hallway. Or they're locked up in that little room. And they little sell they had. But yeah, I said chose. He knows.

Starting point is 01:34:44 You know, they would say the cops would say show. The cops at the low would call the inmates by their nicknames. They'd be like, hey, star, get over here. He'd walk over. Yeah. You big dick. Come here. Gordo.

Starting point is 01:35:01 Are you fucking with doo-do? Are you fucking with doo-doo? Do you remember? What? You remember, wee? I remember weewee There was a guy In a wee wee

Starting point is 01:35:12 You know He just got out Before I did Did he? Yes, I heard that They go You know they let Weewee go

Starting point is 01:35:18 And there was And there was a doo-doo There was a wee-wee There was a wee And a doo-doo Do-doo was a shit I know a guy name That was a joke

Starting point is 01:35:28 That John That's the line from John They cracked me up He'd go Man dudeo's the shit That is so funny Doo's the shit. Easy dick.

Starting point is 01:35:41 Easy dick. He's from town, but he's probably, shout out to easy dick. Are you saying easy dick? Is he out? Is he out? I hesitate to say this. How did he get his name? I never asked.

Starting point is 01:35:56 That's a story there. That's a story for a podcast. And I see him. I go to this little liquor store and I saw him. I remember him from a way I've never forgot that name. And I was like, man, I remember. It's literally all. I got it on my Instagram.

Starting point is 01:36:10 I'm like, I remember, yeah, yeah. I'm easy dick. Easy dick. I'm glad to know that. And I hear all the cats call them easy. You know what it was? There were some great nickname. Did we do a podcast on that?

Starting point is 01:36:21 Whatever your handicap is, it is, that's your nickname in prison. Oh, yeah, they had that everybody in a wheelchair was called wheels. Wheels. Or something. Thumpy. Yeah. Lefty. Blind.

Starting point is 01:36:32 You got glasses this big blind. Yeah, lefty or. It's almost for. The shire. Fuckers used to fucking cook. Cook would actually go and write the shire, you know, from the Hobbit. Yes. And so me and another guy were in a cell, and we were both short.

Starting point is 01:36:53 And they would write the shire and put it on tape. And so you come walking by and it'd say the shire on it. If I could reach that thing, take it down. But it's so fucking high. Oh, my God. I remember I got one of the first MP3 players. Remember when the MP3 players came out? I was in for that.

Starting point is 01:37:15 Just not the fifth. Now, I remember when the computers, we were there when they first came out with the email and the computer. That's right. But I went from, but that was at the medium. I went from the medium to the low, they already had computers. They did? Yeah, when I went from the medium to the low, boom, they had computers.

Starting point is 01:37:31 I remember when they had, you got to be able to email your family, like, wow. Yeah. I had email for about a week, three weeks, maybe three weeks? You got it taken away? Yes. For my whole bid. Really? For the income tax fraud, I was never able to email.

Starting point is 01:37:47 No access. Listen, they wanted the email and the phone. They didn't want me to be able to communicate with the outside world at all. Can they take both? Are they allowed to take those? No, they didn't take the phone. They had to choose. I remember they didn't give me a choice.

Starting point is 01:38:05 They did it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But I just, like, I did a FOIA and got all my paperwork. And I noticed that the request was to take both. And then I saw the note that only one of them was, they can only take one. They took the email.

Starting point is 01:38:19 Were you there for tablets? No. No. No, we didn't get tablets. That's a very, very decent. These inmates now, they got it easy. No feds. No fans have tablets.

Starting point is 01:38:31 Yeah, they do. They have tablets now. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. They're watching. Like movies. Play games.

Starting point is 01:38:38 They're about to start doing the visits. Let me tell you something. And the women have had video visits. The men still... They still don't have video visits for the men. I don't even understand that. The women have had video visits since, what, 2009? Well, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:38:59 I went into 2012 and they had them, so... No, no, not 2009. I'd say about... When did they get the... About 2011, 2011. What? Video visits. Ever since they had computers, they still don't have.

Starting point is 01:39:13 computers, they still don't have them. That's what's crazy. Yeah, they talked about it the whole time I was there. They were going to do it. They were trying to figure out how to do it so that you could basically go to like a, like a little, they'd have like a little portable mobile home because they were afraid guys would be in the background. So they're going to have kind of like a computer set up for visits only. It would have required an investment on the part of the prison, which you know they don't want to do. Right, but they still have to, the prison has to buy like a little mobile home. Well, maybe for the men, I don't, I don't know. They have it into jail. They have it into jail. Yeah, but they have their own area already. I'm saying if they were to implement that in some place, if they were to implement that somewhere in, let's say, Coleman, like the low, they would have to have to have a separate facility for that. So they've got to get a mobile home.

Starting point is 01:40:07 They got to get it into the compound. They have to drop it off. they have to because they're afraid that if you're if they did it because they could do it in the they could do it in the in the unit right so you could sit there like this the problem is now you got some guys guys are walking around behind you they can walk in be like hey what's up you know i want to i want to find i want to find the lawsuit against polk county for the video visit being set up where they could see the shower so they they made them I'm changing because at some point

Starting point is 01:40:42 like some guy walks out yeah like I'm there on a video business talking to their people and they can see the fucking shower and naked dudes walking away you want to hear something funny what's up Frank what's up boy

Starting point is 01:40:55 hey man put some clothes on man I'm open this my daughter going to get my daughter don't look I had I was in Atlanta City detention detention center and we were playing

Starting point is 01:41:07 I think I've told you this where I you know you play chess right these two guys remember this guy flaco was playing with this uh this black guy and the black guy was they they called them um they called them uh bunny hop and he had the word he had the tattoo bunny hop and i asked him why why did they call you bunny hop he said because of my tattoo i said well why did you have a tattoo i mean he was oh because when i was little kid i was really good at the bunny hop so it was my nickname growing up and i'm like they've always called yeah my mom called me bunny hop and so i got a tattooed on my neck so that's my nickname i was like okay

Starting point is 01:41:40 Not the greatest thing, but that's fine. So Bunny Hop and Flacco are playing chess. Bunny Hop is talking shit. Flacco gets frustrated and pulls out or grabs a pen and stabs bunny hop a few times. So he's stabbing him and they get into this fight and they're fighting. I remember it seemed like they were fighting along the wall. Like they're rolling along. pushing each other against the wall,

Starting point is 01:42:11 hitting each, like the whole, and they're going down, down to, and guys are gathering around, and I jumped up, and I ran out there and heard everybody's yelling at stuff, and I ran out there,

Starting point is 01:42:19 and I screamed, I was like, hey, enough! And I scream enough, and they both kind of, they both, oh, I'm sorry, a couple of, a couple of Spanish guys

Starting point is 01:42:29 jumped in and were starting beat up, also beat up, Bunny Hop. And so, so I run up, and that's when I scream, enough,

Starting point is 01:42:37 that's enough, really loud, and they stopped. They all stopped and turned around and looked at me. And I remember for a split second, I thought, wow. These guys really respect me. And I'm sitting there. And as I kind of turn around, I'm looking for the guard.

Starting point is 01:42:53 There's a guy who's like a black guy who's six foot, six tall, standing there, butt ass naked. He, there was fighting and he got out of the shower. So I'm standing there. I'm going to miss it. And he's standing right there. He's like he's also clenched up like this like like like and so you know obviously that I screamed they turn around and saw him and then just stopped. They didn't respect me.

Starting point is 01:43:17 They didn't respect it wasn't. It wasn't. It was a six foot. It was a six foot down. Cox put his foot down. And this guy turned around and listen like it was like I like like like looked up and went and thought I didn't need to see that. I didn't see that. I'm glad you guys stopped.

Starting point is 01:43:34 Right. I walked off. He's standing in a puddle of soap and swat. and suds and dick hanging. And then by that point, the cops come running in. Everybody in there, we've locked down, locked out. I'm already depressed, walking back to my... For many, many reasons.

Starting point is 01:43:50 Can we talk about what just having me and my eyeballs? Walk back to myself. I can never unseeing it. All right, that's enough. I had to give myself a little, you know, shower versus grower speech laying in the tail. You know, stole me nothing. that you never got along with it.

Starting point is 01:44:10 It ain't the size. You never got along with that guy anymore. Listen, I told that story like the next day when they let us out. I told the story. Well, who was the black guy? Did you know him? No, no, of course. There was only 150 guys in that.

Starting point is 01:44:22 So I knew who he was. But you didn't know. They dated. They didn't call him buddy hop. But I mean, I told the story to him. They called him long jump. Like, I told him the story that I thought they stopped because They, that's right.

Starting point is 01:44:39 And he said, he fucking laughed. I like that long jump. Buddy hop, long jump. Get him. When I first got locked up, six, I couldn't use the phone. Like the first time I walked over to try and pick up the phone and call somebody, I had a guy come up to me. A black guy came up to me after I'm trying to dial.

Starting point is 01:44:59 I'm trying to figure out how to use the phone. He was up and he came up and goes, oh, try to call your peace. I go, what? Your peeps, man. Call you peeps. I'm sorry. Charlie Peeps, man. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:45:12 And a white guy came over who had horns tattooed on his head. What's the logical? He had all the tats, everything. I never remember it seems like with the horns. And he comes up. That's why he got him. So he came up and he goes, and he said, he goes, your people.

Starting point is 01:45:27 And I go, my people. And he goes, your family. You're trying to call it. He's saying, are you trying to call your family? And he goes, I got this. And he goes, I. And he walked off. And I realized like, oh my God, he's speaking.

Starting point is 01:45:38 And I would remember in that moment, I thought, you're in a place where people that are speaking, you can't understand the people that are speaking English. And that guy was trying to help me. I just couldn't even let him help me because I couldn't understand what he was saying. So this guy helped me. I made the phone call. Anyway, fast forward three years later, I'm in Coleman. Oh. So three years later.

Starting point is 01:46:11 you got a call? No, I was just quickly showing. All right. He's on your side. So three years later, I'm in line. And these two guys are talking in front of me. And one guy goes, man, how you fall? And he goes, shit, fucked up, no, I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:46:34 And I went, he was over, he goes, over, he goes, over, he goes, over, he goes, over, he goes, over dove in two stacks. He was, no, I'm saying. And I thought, I do know what he's saying. I know exactly what you're saying. Over a fucking, over a key and $2,000, another black guy snitched on you. And I thought, you have to get out of here. You're graduating.

Starting point is 01:46:59 You need your cap and gown. You need your cap and gown. I am speaking the native tongue now. I'm speaking to the, this is horrible. I know what a dove is. I know what a stack is. I know what, you know, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 01:47:14 I know exactly what he said. I wouldn't have known what any of that was two, three years earlier. I had no idea what you're talking about. You wonder how you, when you caught yourself reacting, shit. I know. I said, exactly. That's what I'm thinking. I'm, man, motherfucker.

Starting point is 01:47:28 The boy fucking told on him. It's like getting the fuck. Wait a minute. I'm filing right now. Dig out of here with a spoon like Andy Dufray. And that's what you need to do. Yes Shit

Starting point is 01:47:42 And do you wonder to transition from your regular English to absolutely Oh my God, it fucking makes sense Yeah, I'm in this man I got to enroll, man It's almost 4 o'clock Ready? Yeah You got to pick up your daughter?

Starting point is 01:48:01 No Oh I just got to leave I've just done my day off I don't need this I need to go I have not eaten at all all day. I'm friggin' starving.

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