Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Expert Fraudsters Confront Phone Scammers LIVE!!!

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

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There is an unclaimed permanent life insurance policy in the sums of 11 million U.S. dollars. We have an opportunity to get millions. So let's call it. How many people do you catch with this hustle right here? Because I love it. Listen, between you and me, though, come on honestly, how many people fall for this at day? What are you doing? What is it?

I'm ready. What is it? already what you got a whole file i got a whole yes because i was helping out a anyway we're organized well because i i i fell for this no you did not fall for did you yes so this is okay well i mean like to start the beginning start at the beginning oh so i actually had a friend contact me about um something that came in the mail that was offered to him uh he's a roofer and he's like man take a look at this. You know, I'm not so sure about it. So I said, well, send me what you got. And he sent me

some documents. So I looked at him and it was obviously a scam to me. But so I called my, you know, constituent here because this is more like kind of his feel that he sharpened and stuff. I'm like, man, I don't know about this stuff. But take a look at this. So he he called me and when he gave me the letter what did the letter say and that's what i'm going to read so like i when i read this letter like i viewed it as how could i improve on this not how can i can improve but i saw this letter and i told myself this sounds like somebody like matt and i sitting down and discussing it but what it happened to me was I actually, so let me just get into the story, and I don't even want to blow the

surprise. All right. So what the letter says is it's from what appears to be a lawyer. And when I go to the lawyer's website, it's obviously a fraudulent, created website that's very benign. Like if I wanted to fool a bank into thinking I had a company, right? And do you have a website? yes, I have a website and I would have someone design a website very dry. Yeah, just picture. And it's supposed to be a lawyer's website, you know, and there's no pictures of the lawyer. There's some guy on fiber. Something like that.

But what the letter says is, his friend's name is, just to block it out, we'll just say his name is, Roger. Roger. Goddell. So it says, Mr. Goodell, my name is Andrew McGregor. that's the lawyer. I'm a partner at the Andrew McGregor LLP in Canada. It says apologies if my letter came to you as a surprise

since there's been no previous correspondence between us. There is a unclaimed permanent life insurance policy held by our deceased client. What is saying is the transaction pertains to a unclaim payable on death, saving monetary deposit in the sums of 11 million $800,000 and $20 U.S. dollars. You think I wouldn't know if I had a relative worth of $11 million.

We'll get the whole scope. Yeah, let me get the policyholder. The policyholder was one of our clients, a late Mrs. Maria Goddell, who shares the same last name with you and was a stockbroker and retired CPA. She was a COVID-19 victim who died about four years ago. Since her death, no one has come forward for the claim. and all of our efforts to locate her relatives have proved unsuccessful. The insurance company code stipulates that insured permanent policies not claim

must be turned over to the abandoned property division of the state after three years. Therefore, I ask consent for you to be in partnership with me for the claim of this policy benefit in view of the striking similarities in the same last name, nationality with the deceased. If you permit me to add your name to the policy, all proceeds will be processed on your behalf. I wish to point out that I want 10% of this money to be shared among charity organization while the remaining 90% will be shared between us. This is 100% risk-free. I do have all the necessary documents to expedite the process.

Highly, then he goes into any regular talking of what lawyers say. This is a variation of the Nigerian print scam. Talk about the Nigerian print scam. So it started where they were writing letters back in like that 50s, 60s, right? So they would write letters from Nigeria to people where they'd get their name and address and they would say that there was a Nigerian prince that had died and all the money had been left to his barrister. and his barrister also died in a car bombing with the prince,

but he was in charge of the money. And you have access to the, but you have the same name or a similar name to him. And as a result of that, now this, by the way, it typically comes from someone in from like England. And they're saying that that because your name is so similar, you are the only person that has the ability to claim the fund,

the Nigerian prince's funds. And I will represent you as your barrister, which is like an attorney, as your attorney, I'll represent you. You simply have to sign some papers. He has the same name as you. Sometimes they would accompany it by an article where there was a car bombing or something showing that. And then you start corresponding back and forth. And then eventually they get to a point where they, it's all ready to go. And then suddenly they say, and all you have to do is pay the transfer or the taxes or the whatever and we'll release the money.

This is absolutely. Exactly what happened. Well, you know, so it started with letters, but then it turned into telephone calls. Yes. And then after the phone call, well, I'm saying, no, they, they, the first version, well, wait, wait, wait, I'm saying the first, let me, I'm saying, the first version was all letters. But then once you start, we're able to make long distance phone calls, they would just call you. That's where the Nigerian, the bank, phone banks came from. Then it became emails.

So it's funny to me that this is now a letter again. Yes. Does that make sense? Like through the years, over the last 50 to 70 years, it's just, it's evolved. Right. And it's all the way back to the letters. Because the letter is way more credible and personal than an email, right? Yes. Oh, yeah. So I'm sorry. So yeah, that's that to me is. But you just described exactly. It's a variation though. But let me hear what happened. I'm sorry. And that's the show guys. Which is why next week. Well, actually, I have a real scam, which is why. Which is why. when I told him, let's present it to you on a podcast. He's like, no, no, we can figure this out. And I'm such an idiot. I'm wondering how far you guys went with this. I have a folder, man.

And it's red. It's red, man. How much way did you send him? No, I'm sure. Not that much. All right. All right. So, yes.

So I believed it. I honestly, straight up, I'm talking to his friend, Raj, because he put me in touch. And I'm going, dude. you believe you you did not believe it well he's like man this is credible this is you know looking at all the checks and balances like they and then he's like well why would they go through all of this right because my my question is why would like what is the deal like you're saying if i was active right now i'd have all your motherfucker money i'd have all your money i hate to interrupt

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Don't let someone like me catch you off guard. Well, I didn't see where he didn't ask for money. He's basically saying he's giving us money. Not yet. Not yet. He didn't see the end game yet. I did not see the end game, so I completely bought into it. And because I'm telling myself, what if this woman actually died and he's in Canada and he doesn't have anyone to claim it?

Yeah, what's funny? What's so great about this is that, like, I just interviewed a guy who literally worked for a company that tracked down people that had inheritances. Like, this is a real thing. They really do track people down. Tell him that's exactly what I do. But I know that his procedures. aren't you know yeah you have to get 10% to various charities and then we split that's not how it

works they basically take 30% like any normal lawyer you know depending on how much they have into it they might ask for 30% on top of their their fees like hey we had to we spent this much for this but that's still going to be one their verification is so credible like yeah they have to kind of try track that he really is this guy is to me when he was saying that this money is about to go to the state and rather than have the money go to the state like why couldn't we get work with me like he's kind of a crooked lawyer like work with me yes that angle like that absolutely worked on me because i'm telling myself that if like this is i'm telling him and roger this is real i'm telling you i'm going to cover up the i'm going to cover up the name so just well you won't be on it won't nobody can see

Is this the actual letter? Yes. Because to me, one, this is funny because almost every lawyer I've ever seen has been justified, like the paragraphs are justified. The other thing is the margins are really horrible. He's covering the whole page. This is almost like an email, you know, so to me and the paper, like no lawyers sending it on this crap paper. There's no color.

Right. Like you would have to have seals. You know how they get fancy. Well, I don't know about the seals, but it looks legit. It's just the formatting isn't like a legal person. But what if I told you, Matt, my thing. So as the idiot, as the village idiot, my thinking was this isn't a real lawyer. You're thinking it's still kind of a, or he's a lawyer and he's fishing.

He's just dirty. Yeah, he's dirty and he's sending out. He's still be professional. Like, listen, I could approve on this. But anyway, go ahead. I feel confident. I can approve. And I would have set up a very credible website.

But let's go. You know, lawyer, please. Let's move on. Let's go. Let's keep going. Tell me. I felt that he was fishing. So I told Roger, I'm like, this guy's fishing. He's probably got this money that's about to go to the state. And so we have an opportunity to get millions. So let's call him. So he asked that we call. So we called it. Oh, my God.

What happened? Well, he answered. And he got very excited. He's like, oh, this is a great day for both of us. This is an opportunity for both of us. And convincingly, he's like, listen, he goes, I don't know if you've ever thought about being a millionaire, but this is our chance. Don't look this gift to us in the mouth. That's right.

So I told myself, I'm not going to look this in the mouth. So what do we need to do? So he emailed us all the forms, like with Rogers ID to send it back. You know, he sent us all the court papers. and he meant Oh, they're stamps. Stamps and everything.

Yes. So he sent us all the court papers and so we filled out the paperwork and emailed it back. Right. So he said it's very depressing. What did you,

when you laid in bed at night and you thought about this, what car were you going to buy? How did you know? It was thinking more long times of car brand. He was still buying into GMC. Yes.

I was going to buy it a lot. But look, when I brought it to him, he kept, six kept going, this is obviously a scam. I would not waste any time with it. But I had convinced Roger, don't listen to this guy. He's like, but it's obviously, he goes, why would you waste? He goes, you want to, I go, he's not asking us for money. As a matter of fact, he made it even look like that he actually paid. like five thousand dollars to get the process going and I'm going to show you a copy

because he sent me a copy of a of a check where it looks like he actually paid some money the lawyer's name McGregor McGregor Andrew oh and Andrew Andrew let me send let me reimburse you for that let me reimburse you for that after we get the money I want to make sure I pay you back oh did I bring his his check I know I don't have a copy of his check but he actually paid like $4,000, $5,000. He's a good guy. Initially, that's what it looked.

That's what he made me. Oh, there it is. Oh, it's a good cashier's check. So he made it look like he had already paid some money in order to start the process going. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. Superior Court of Justice. Superior Court of Justice.

Come on. Oh, just. That is what it's called. So, Matt, all the way along the line, you're checking? Yes, I'm researching. Their court system cannot be the superior court of justice. Are you kidding me?

No, I'm not. That's what it's called. That's their state courts is what it's called. Wow. There was, to be honest, there was a couple of things that were skewed. You know, like the location of the lawyer and the phone number. Like, he also wanted me to contact. someone at the bank, and it was a Monday, and when I looked the bank up, the bank was actually closed

on Monday, and the person called me back. But I'm like, I just got on the website, and you're closed. So I felt like there was some sort of scamming going into it, but I thought he was just doing that so that we wouldn't see how the process of getting the million dollars was going to go. And just for the viewers at all, like what I opened, and it took a look, two sentences in. I'm like, oh, this is a scam. What do we even go? I'm like, it's not a, I go, it is a scam, but it's a scam against the state to stop them from getting $11 million. It's not a scam against us. He's not, he just wants to use our name to get the money. His angle resonated with Zach just instant. This could work. This is 11 lawyers. So what happened then? You call them. So what happened? And we filled out the paperwork. We went back and forth. And so it comes to where we actually fill out the form to get the money deposited in the account, which is this is the form. And there was what we learned about the processing fees. So once we've got all of the process Processing fees

Yes But Andrew I'm assuming you're taking care of this right He started the payments Unfortunately at this stage He'll be And that's what Andrew was I'm representing you

But you're dealing directly with the bank To get the money So you have to handle everything with the bank So the processing fees For 10 million to 20 million penny. Yeah, it's $15,500. Penny's on the dollar. Mr. Millionaire. Who's coming up with that?

Well, which could be payable in... Yeah, it would need to be wired directly to a corporation out of New York, a LLC. Do you have any idea how much I wish Zach could come to me and said, can you lend me 15,000? So I could have, he could have shown me the paperwork and I could have said, let's sit down for I know that feeling. I know that feeling I could identify. He put your arm around me like, come, come on.

He had a 15 million. No, 11 million. Come on. It's okay. It seems so real, Matt. The dream of the money, because he was never asking for money. He never up front said,

like, if you pay us this, it's basically, I'm going to sell you the dream. This is a matter of fact, When he still calls, when he calls, he asks me, so what are you going to do with the money? He goes, I'm thinking about taking a trip with me and the wife with my money. I want to make a crack about why scammers go after old people, but Zach's only a year old. I wouldn't fall for this, but in a year from now, I may be sitting here with someone going, no, you don't understand. He didn't want any money.

So what would stop me from like immediately just the letter you'd be like, this is garbage? It's, this is the scam. This is a scam. You wouldn't have been interested in what the scam is. You know what it's funny? There have been times when I've gotten the phone call where the person says, you know, like, they'll say like your social security number has been canceled. You know, please stay on the line to speak with a representative from the social security administration. And it's like, you can't cancel a social security number.

Like that doesn't, you know, and I've been like, let me stay in law. Yeah, let me see what you got. see the let me explain what the tip let me talk i've actually had times where i've thought let me let me let me go ahead and straighten this guy out yeah this is not i hear you yeah i hear you i i i see where you're at with this your instinct was right but you're going about it wrong here's what you need to do and help them you got a pen of paper right but you know after being on the phone and and laughing with the guy and joking with him and him knowing that i know and they're you know and then they get frustrated they get pissed off at you because you're just mocking them and they just hang up on you

you know so i haven't can never get very far i've gotten to the point where they transfer you to the second person and talk to that guy the guy right there yeah yeah exactly and then that was a woman and she got upset with me and she was irritated with me because i was laughing so much and asking so many questions and she knew that i knew but i wasn't saying i know i was like well i don't understand why exactly again was it canceled how you cancel a social skill She could feel the mocking in my voice. And finally she got frustrated and said, all right, yeah, we're done with this guy. And click.

Next, next sucker. Yeah. But I didn't see this because I didn't understand where it would be a scam against me because he's not asking me for money. Right. He kept reiterating the fact that, look, I don't need anything from you. We're going to do this. The 10% bank that needs it. Not me.

Yeah. Exactly. So when you saw the fees, what did you say? I said, there's the scam. There it is. Like, because of all the things that were off, because I'm up on online researching everything, and there's a lot of things that were off.

Because of that, I knew it was something. I just didn't know what it was. Like, you're offering me millions of dollars. And I'm thinking, because at one point, I think there was a Nigerian scam where people were putting money in this. Remember I told you about that? I used to beg people to call, like my friends were going, these Nigerian people are calling us up

and they're depositing fake cashier's checks in our accounts. And then we give them half the money. And then a week later, it bounces. It bounces. I'm like, oh, my God, I want to have that done to me. I want some, you know what I'm saying? So I, and I figured that that was a situation. Like they wanted this guy to give up an account

and they were going to drop $11 million in it. And we give them half the money. We take, you know, my involvement in this, I'm kind of like, listen, Roger, whatever happens, let's work this out. Because I'm thinking maybe they want to wire 11 million bucks in. Maybe it was they're trying to take the money from the state. Whatever it was, I'm like, whatever they're doing, it means we're going to get some money. Let's do this.

He's saying, yes, yes, yes. You're going, Roger, you're never going to see that money. Is that right? From the beginning. Okay. Like, I read the last of your time. Literally, I'm like, yeah, no, I don't like it. Yeah, I don't like it.

So what, what would you call the guy? What did he say when you said, what's with these fees? He's like, just pay the fees and we get the millions. I said, well, how fast it is it? He goes, he's normally the same day. Within minutes of the money going out, the millions come in. The millions of regret comes in. They pass each other on the wires.

And that's when I realized that's, that was the scam. So I'm like, so that's the scam. The scam is to sell me a dream and then I buy it. Really, what I realized is because Roger had another friend that was on the roofing company and he got the same letter. Oh, a different lawyer. A different lawyer. I'm going to go out on my way here and say, it may be the same lawyer.

So what we were talking about is, obviously, these guys are targeting people who own roofing companies who probably have $15,000 like it's $200. Like, you might ask me for $200. Give me $200 and I'll give you $100,000. What, $200? I can actually afford to do that. Right. They're just targeting business owners that have accounts and that they know that probably. have access to the 10 or 15,000.

And it would give it off. And so the basis, the basis of the scam like this, like the, the backbone of a scam is I'm offering to something to win, you know, like, like here's all it is. I just need. I was dreaming of this money. And then I kept telling myself, no matter how it's coming, it's coming. It's coming. No matter how it shows up, I'm, I'm winning.

So we wanted to present that to you, I guess, and get your opinion. Not of my stupidity, because we can, or let's talk about that up front. You know, it's funny is, and I actually think I did a show. Didn't I do it? We do a show where I mentioned this before where, so I sell paintings on Etsy, right? I have a painting. I have a, I have a store on Etsy called, by the way, it's Cox Pop Art and you can buy paintings. Anyway, shameless plug.

So if somebody goes on Cox Pop Art and they, they contact me and they said, look, I want this, this one painting, whatever. Let's say it was a $300 painting. And it was a woman and she said, hey, I have this $300 painting. I like it. And I said, okay, it was $300 or $300. I'll ship it to you. She was, okay. She said, she comes back.

She said, look, I want it. The problem is she said, can I have, she was, I'd rather just buy it from you directly. And this was, by the way, she had contacted me. She'd seen the stuff on the website, but sent me an email. And I, and my email, I think, is on the website. So she goes, yeah, I'll just sit. Can I just send you a cashier's check? And I said, yeah, I got no problem with that.

Because that's happened multiple times where people have just mailed me. First, I said, why don't you just zell me or this? I gave her different. And she's like, yeah, I don't only have that stuff. Can I just send you a cashier shed? That's fine. I've actually had guys buy paintings like that before. So I didn't think anything of it.

So I was actually with Jess, which is my wife. And we were driving to the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office because I was doing a speech in front of about 40 law enforcement officers. So I'm driving to there and we're in a Starbucks getting Starbucks before I go in and we're and I check my email and there's there's a there's an email and the woman says oh my gosh she's like I you're not going to believe this. She said my uncle is the one who paid for the painting. I told him to mail you a check for $300 a cashier check for $300. He accidentally mailed you a check for $1,100. He owes my, he was supposed to send $800 to my brother. And he's an older guy and he got confused and got one cashier's check and he's mailed it to you.

And she said, could you do me a favor? You don't have to mail it back to me just deposit the check. Oh, my God. And then Zell me or PayPal me or I forget what it was, but basically send me the $800 back. And it was like, you can send it directly back to my uncle or whoever it was. And I, so I was like, and I went, listen to this. And I hit Jess. I said, listen, I read the email to Jess.

And Jess goes, well, that's trusting of her to trust that you would send the money back. So that's, yeah, that's fine. She's, you'll send the money back. And I went, I had my first thought was, boy, I'd take everything you had if I was in a love of you. And I, and I, why do you see it that way? It's like, because I immediately, I thought, because my first, obviously I know the cashier's check, you're going to get the cashier's check, deposit it.

They're looking for people that have established bank accounts that will automatically, the bank will automatically give them the money. Oh, yeah, of course, that's good. Two days later. Boom, there's the money. And then, of course, I'm, I'm zelling the money out or PayPaling or PayPaling or. whatever cash app i'll give them the money and now they've drained that account and then it's over they've got 900 bucks and it seems like a a minor amount of money to you and i but sorry eight but 800

to some scammer in nigeria that's like getting five grand or 10 that's like a six or seven thousand dollar lick and these are people that live off of 500 bucks a month and they just made $8,000 and they're like to them that's like getting checked for seven or $8,000 right you don't have to have but one of those a month work if they get two a week or two a day they're they're living in in pit houses so they're flooding they're put they're thrown out thousands of right so I sent her an email back and I said you know absolutely no problem go ahead and send me the check and she sent me to check and so a couple of days later I get the I get the cashier's check or I'm sorry I I said, absolutely no problem. I'll send you the money back. How do you want me to send it to you? And she told me, oh, well, she sent me the thing. And, okay.

And of course, a couple days later, I get the cashier's check. And it looked good, you know? They all do. Right. So, listen, it looked, it was super legit. Like, I was, you know, really, like, impressed. I was like, wow. Like, had it been, like, I'll bet you this works a lot.

This looks like, this is working. So, probably. And that's what I was saying I was praying for. That's the same scam. So I dragged her along, by the way, for the next two or three weeks to the point where they were sending me that she had my text. So we were texting at that point. Now I'm getting towards the end,

he's sending me text messages like, are you trying to scam me? Are you keeping that? I said, come on, man, stop it. What if she's real? Like, what if she's real? First of all, she's not real because when I started saying, come on, cut the shit.

And I went through the whole, oh, by the way, to make sure that it wasn't real, I actually went to the bank and showed the. bank and they said boy it looks good you know but we get these all we get stuff like this all the time she said it's not it's not and she went and checked the does the account the account it doesn't isn't any good uh you know and it just went through a whole thing she came back she said yeah it's no good and then of course i actually talked to a hillsborough they got one of the guys at the thing the hillsborough county um economic economic crime division i talked to him and i said hey i said

what can i fill out of police for public i love to get this person like and he is you we're not getting them. He is, we're not going to get him. He said, Matt, he said, I'm not going to take. He said, I'll take the report if you want. He said, it's not worth it though. And he said, there's no way. So this person's in Nigeria or he named off like six different countries that that person would be in and they're going to send it here. They've got people that open, do nothing, professionals that do nothing but open up cash apps, PayPal accounts. They run all the money through within three weeks and close them down and they've already got six other ones. Wow. Yeah. So, I mean, there's a, there's a place in, that's what, that's what you were saying, too.

It's like, I see this guy in an office and a phone, in a phone bag is what you get to say. You know, you know, if you remove the fact that you're clipping people for money, right, that you're stealing from people that probably, I don't know, whether they can afford it or not, nobody wants to lose it. You're causing anxiety. If you remove that from the equation, it sounds like a fun job. You know, it sounds like, I'm just saying it's like I could see me trying to cross. craft the letters and making the websites and creating the back story. I told him that's what I go, for some reason, I picture this lawyer calling up a friend like Matt and saying, listen, this woman's account's about the clothes and it's $11 million.

What can I do? Like I had this vision. Like I spent a lot of time pending on this letter because I'm like, what is the scam? What is it? And I go, I envision this guy has a friend like Matt. And the friend is saying, find somebody with a similar name and just share. shoot him out a letter. Set up another lawyer office.

This is me visiting this. Set up a lawyer office that kind of looks like a law firm. Send some letters out with somebody with the same name. See if you can find somebody game enough to say that, hey, they're related to her. And then you get the money

and you split it with him. Like, what do you got to lose? I saw that glint in his eye. Yes. Immediately. I was starstruck. But there's Does you look, why would they hang? I'm like, Z.

Come off. How far did this go? Did you, once you talk to him, did you talk to him and say them? He said, just pay them. What did you say? Had that conversation. When he wanted the fee for the bank, I say, there's the scam. There it is.

I know that, but did you say to him, there it is? Did you call him and say? Yeah, we need to call him now and you say. I think we should get this guy on the phone. I think you explain it. And here's what, listen, what about this? What about you get him on the phone, but you say, listen, this is my, because he still thinks this is possible, right?

Yes. Say, listen, I tell him, you don't have the 15. You're trying to convince me to loan him the 15,000. I like it. I like it. Right? And then I'll sit there. I'll be like, yeah, I don't understand.

So why can't you just pay? Why can't you just take the money out of the, the, the, the 11 million? Like, why do I have to, how does it work? I mean, because he talked and said that, but I mean, if you want to call. I know what he's going to say. He's got to spin it. I mean, he's going to be like, no, no, we have to receive the money first. We have to, you want me to call?

Or you need to call, right? Yeah, I have the phone in the car. I hope, let's go home. Come on. He's been calling me. Really? We got to call him. It's only 430 in Nigeria.

Where is he? He's supposed to be in Canada. In Canada? Yeah. It may be in Canada. You don't know. I don't know. It's 1.30 in Canada.

I'll go get it. Stop the press off the camera. He might not answer, but he'll call back. He's probably got somebody else. Oh, he'll call back. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, this is one of my guys, one of my guys.

Hello. Hello, hi. Hey, this is, this is Roy. Hi, Roy, how you know? I'm okay. I'm just wondering if this is still possible. I've been talking to the people at my bank. Is this my, wait, wait, is this Andrew McGregor?

Speaking? Yeah. Yeah, I've been talking to the people at my bank. We've been trying to decide whether or not about this wire. What are they in your time? Well, I had to borrow the money from a friend of mine to get the money to, in order to pay for the wire. Well, I got my friend. I've been asking him to loan me the money.

Just explain to him, like, how you're helping me with the, to get the inheritance and everything. I'm trying to convince him. Okay. Introduce me. Oh, this is Matt. Hey, Zach, I'm sorry. Roy's asking me to give him $15,000 to send to you.

I just want to know that if I do that, you're going to be able to release the money, the 11 million. Is that what's happening? Yeah, the bank is going to release the money for him. It's not sending it to me. I already paid some money myself to get the documentation ready, so it's not sending the money to me. The bank will release the payment, and I have a fair share of the money. So I need the... I need the...

So that I could get my own also. I already paid for the whole documentation. to be ready in Roy's name. Do I need to give Roy the money directly, or can I wire you the money and have, and like, where's the money going to be wired? It's, it is, just to make sure, it is 11.8 million dollars. Is that, and that's U.S.?

Box here in dollars. Okay, in dollars, okay. Can I wire you the money directly from my account or I need to wire it to Roy first. Yeah, we want to know, can he send it to the bank or do I, he has to give it to me and then I send it to the bank? He has to give it to me,

and then I send it to the bank. It's just too big. I mean, I think he's, it's, it's, it's a bad fucked up connection. Yeah, because he's on a voice over IP. Yeah. Yeah, that tells you it's. Yeah.

We understand technical. Hi, Ollie. Hi. We got disconnected. We're just trying to figure out, like, if he has to give it to me and I send it or can he just send it? Whatever works, just the request for the information he can send it to the bank.

I don't know your relationship with your friend, but I know that the whole process that you working with, when the forms will be relieved. I'm working towards that to the extent of the thing and also from the total sum. I got you. Hey, Andrew, can I ask a question? Off-topic?

Are you black? I'm not black. You're not, I'm just asking. I'm black, that's why I was asking. I'm not black. You're okay? You say that as if, like, you could be mixed, confused for black, you dark?

See, I don't know. understand your question you are? Oh, I'm just, I'm because, you know, like, I'm a black man, and and I'm thinking that maybe you're like, of, like, African or Haitian

or, you know what I'm saying? Nigerian descent. I'm more African. You're African? I'm not African. You're not African? Oh, you're Nigerian or no? Did he hang up?

I wanted to ask me. I wanted to go, why, why do you do I was going to ask him, I wanted to ask him, like, listen, between you and me, bro, come on, honestly, how many people fall for this a day? How many people a day? You're going to ask you, let's call him back, man. How many people do you get? Between me and the day. How many people do you get on this scam? Honestly. Give me the numbers, man. Yeah. I should, I shouldn't have said that, then. I should have asked him. That's what I was going to ask. He's probably not going to answer. Oh, now he's done. He's that awesome music background. Oh, he turned it off. He's at the house. Turn the music down.

I don't know. He's probably a text and say, one more question. Please answer. Before I send this money. I need the 11.8. Yeah. Hi, Roy. Hey, what's happening, Andrew?

I really don't stay a look at all. Well, well, like, I just wanted to ask you, like, how many people do you catch with this hustle right here, because I love it. I love it. We're just curious. We're just curious. How many people send me,

how many times? Do you really get the 15 million? 15,000. Of course. Because you've got a baby. He would have, listen, I was gone.

Because you imagine if he just gets, I was gone, Matt. If he just gets one, person a month. He's living well. Right. He's living well. You know what person every other month? Like what if somebody negotiated with him? Like what if you sat there and said, listen, I can't do it. Like I can maybe get five grand. Can I, is there any way you can float me the money? Like I'll bet you he starts to be like, okay, I can maybe, yeah, I can probably do five. Send me five. He's going to want something. Like he said, he paid, he already

paid something. You know what I'm saying? I was going to. I was going to. I was going. I was He had me gone. Like, I was spending this money like you would not believe. It's got to be legit. What's the phone number? You're going to call him from my number. And why is that phone number already in your context? You're like, I have been talking to him.

So dialed this one. Okay. And then just tell him you just got to, you're Jason and you just got a letter. Hello? Hello? Hello? Hello? Mr. Taylor?

Yes. I received a, I received a letter from you in the mail. Yes. It's about an inheritance that I may possibly be able to be eligible for. It's for it. That's all right, okay. Yes, my question. Send me an email, send me an email so I can give me more information.

Excuse me? Send me an email. Send me an email so I can give you more information. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, you can't talk right now? Yeah, send me an email. Send me an email. But I have some questions real quick.

Yes, send me an email. Are you a lawyer? And then I'm not on your question. Okay. Are you a lawyer? Are you a lawyer? Yeah, I'm a lawyer. Yes, I'm a lawyer.

Okay, okay. I'm just wondering where you're located. I haven't heard of the law firm. I don't understand what this is in regards to. Thank you. Bye-bye. He sounds like he was with his baby mom. You're supposed to say, listen.

They were shopping. Can I really get $10 million? No, send me an email. So let him a question. Do you think he's the same guy? I think he's in the same room. Send me an email. Send me an email.

Yeah, he sounds much more, he sounds much more African. Send me an email. Send me an email. Send me a email. I just learned what email is. Send it. Best way to communicate. Who is this?

Send me an email. It's funny that they're going back to the old. I love the fact that they're going back old school. You know, they're going back old school. Because it gives it a more personal touch. Yes, in your hand. And then they... Give your mic back.

Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, I just think that, you know, they need to step up their game. I'd love to help them out. No, no. No, no. They caught me. They caught me big time on this. I'm very, imagine if, I'm very embarrassed.

If, if, if, if, if Zach wired the money to me, like, he comes over one day and like, bro, you're not going to believe this. This is what I've been doing. And Zach's like, hey, guys, named Roy, whatever the day is. Yeah, I got that. Oh, my God. That's one of my names. That's very embarrassing. Do you think any of those guys that are doing that are, like, well-spoken?

And they able, like, to... Because, like, I feel like, after that phone call, you should be like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. You would think we just rattled it. We just rattled this. No, I think he's probably not used to it. He's probably not that. Listen, they're doing it.

They're basing it on bulk. Yeah. You know, they're going to get somebody at some point. The problem is their numbers are off. Like, you'd probably get somebody if the fee had been much lower. And look, if these looked more professional and someone, you had somebody answer the phone and they spoke English and everybody involved with this spoke clear English, there was a decent website where all of this stuff panned out.

You went and looked and that website, you're like, damn, this is a nice email. This is a professional website. You would say, oh, okay, hey, there's photographs, there's this. Oh, look, they even have an Instagram. You click on the Instagram. there's a full Instagram like really put some time into it and then you know that it was sent on letterhead it's it's it's the thing is with those guys like they're in these rooms very similar yeah that's what i'm saying it's mass they're so the guys that are real good have worked up the food chain

so they're probably in an office managing the rooms yeah you know there it's identical to telemarketing rooms yeah lower guys this guy doesn't know script he's not good he's just listening and he's got this probably a bulletin board with his hot guys. I visioned this to be like one or two people. I don't even vision it to be that. Like I think he was at the house. The music in the background or wherever they were.

I don't vision it as a like a boiler room where they're calling Dallet and Smiley. I got a vision because in my mind, like I'm trying to vision because like what's the date? There's not even a date on this letter. This one's dated. Signature is the garbage, yeah. Listen, that's not even Andrew. That's signed Michael. Wow. Andrew Spun-something-Z partner signed Michael.

Yeah, I think if somebody, if they put a little more effort into this, then I think that you'd call the guy up and he would just say, listen, this is, you know, this is what it is. is what happened. Yeah, this is what's going on. This is where we're at. And, well, I just didn't feel like it's a scam. Okay, sir, I don't know what to tell you. I wrote the letter. This is what's going on. You can participate in your camp. The money will go back to the state. I don't know what to tell you. I see an opportunity here. And I've done my job. So, you know, and that's it. And you go to, and they say, okay, so you're not. So then I'm going to take this as a no. Yeah, I don't think I'm interested. I understand. You hang up. Listen, you hang up. 50% of those people call you back. Two days later, they call back. They go, listen, oh, tell me about this again.

Because those guys like Zach are still, they've already spent. I am a shame. They're asking too much money. The problem is they don't realize that they're pricing out. But not if you go with roofers. These are roofers. Okay, I understand that. But I still think you could get the average per, even the average roofer. That's 15 grand, bro. Like, like if you said 3,500, if you said, 3,500, if it was $2,700 if it was. Your average roofer, he's got some money, he's got a little business. So when he clicks and checks, when he clicks and checks stuff, your average roofer guy that's probably barely internet savvy and he sees a website and he sees the letterheads and he calls

a number and that actually comes to. I feel like you guys have a low opinion of roofers. I think that roofers are awesome. He, if you knew Roger, you would think Roger's going to pay this. He almost had Roger. I almost had Roger. Roger's like, oh, well, I don't know, man. Six is telling me, I'm like, listen, listen, I know scams.

Six don't know scams. The scam is on the state. It's not on you. Oh, my God. You know, it's really funny. What's really funny is if you tied this into something like the, uh, Florida treasure, you know, there was that, there's that Florida, what is the name of Florida Treasure, whatever?

What? The Florida Treas. You guys are shaking your hands like I, you know what I'm talking about. I don't. Okay. So, so there's something. They were sending out those checks. No, no.

It's not a scam. Oh, I don't really think about that. So I believe it's Obama that came in and passed a law because there were tons of it. So let's say you have you left. Let's say you went to jail. hypothetically. Let's assume you were one of those guys. And you went to jail and you had an apartment that was in somebody's name and you had electric that was in somebody's name and you had to put up 500 bucks. So the apartment goes bad and they take your, and the electric company takes your $500 deposit. They have nowhere to send it. They send out a check. And then after 90 days, you don't cash it. And they keep it. So it's called, it's called, I want to. say it's called unclaimed money it's unclaimed money but it's called the the website for florida treasured.gov or florid treasures dot go exactly what you're talking about now okay and what happens is

is that they end up with thousands of people have thousands of dollars out there and they have no idea and what would happen is basically tico or tampo electric company would just keep that money oh got 500 bucks we'll put it aside and then they use that money and once you don't show up for so many years they just that money's there well i believe it was a Obama that came in and said, look, all the states have to, they can't keep the money. It's not their money. They have to put it on a website and they have to actively have the website available and they have to advertise the website to people that they can all go and try and claim their money. For instance, when I got out of prison, my buddy Treon told me about it. And he said, you need to

go on there and see if you have any money. I was like, I don't have any money. And sure enough, I did have money. I forget what it was. It was like 2100, $2,500. It was a lot. It was like four different things. One was for like an insurance policy, which I actually remember that I had been in a car accident and I paid to have my car fixed and waited for the money, but I took off on the run before the money came. So the insurance company, the check was never cashed. And after like two or three years, they put it on the site. The other things were like a credit card and something, there were several other things where I put up like three grand on a secured credit card for some bullshit and then they ended up, you know, ended up giving the money back. Like there was a few

different things like that. So the money's on the site. I just went on the site, filled out the form. But when I first went on the site and I filled out the form, I immediately got contacted by these, you know, companies, professional companies that would tell you, we can help get your money. And they wanted like 10% to help get it. And I was like, I can fill out the form myself. So what I'm saying is if you took something like that that's legitimate and tried to tie into it, and said, hey, by the way, we are, you know, connected with the website and gave them the website and everything and said, we've searched it and we've found multiple people that have a similar name to yours, but they've passed away and did the same thing.

Now you've tied into that to, you're an attorney that works with them. Well, which is probably, I feel like people don't try this. Listen, I analyze it. This is why I felt like they used Canadian law. Because we don't quite know it. Right. We don't quite understand it. And it's not something that I can easily look up because I looked up everything.

I spent because everything. I was sold. I'm like, why would they make this? And that's what I kept thinking. I said, this guy has a buddy and he talked it over with somebody. Like, listen, I'm seeing this money about to go to the state. Like, how could we get it? I'll tell you another thing that happens is, and a lot of people don't understand this,

because I've actually gone through the process of having my name changed. Not my name. I changed somebody else's name. I sold someone's identity and then changed his name. And I know that's a shitty thing to do, okay? I know that, right? I don't need judgment. Anyway.

I wanted to get it unchanged, but go ahead. You probably didn't know it was changed it ever changed to begin with. I changed it in another state. He was from Florida and I changed it in North Carolina. So, and what? Oh, that happens in the Social Security on, but go ahead. So all I, so what I'm saying is when I went to the lawyer, paid a lawyer like, I don't know, it was $1,800 or something.

I mean, not of my money. stolen money. So I'm willing to spend Bank of America money like. So I go in there. I said, listen. And my name was at the time was Michael Eckert. So I'd stolen Michael. This is so bad. So I stole Michael Eckert's name. And just for, because I just, you know, like I said, fraud is not a full-time job. I'm not working. And I thought, how hard would it be to change somebody's name? I'd have changed this guy's name and then get a social security issue to the new name, which I And then, so I was trying to figure out how to kind of come up with a synthetic identity that was based on real people so that ultimately I would have a real identity that was separated. But it was all real, based on all real docs.

So my first thing was change the guy's name. How hard is that? Go through this process. So I go to a lawyer, I'd give him like 1,800 bucks. He goes, okay, no problem. You know what he did to change the name? You would think it'd be difficult, right? He said, I need your birth certificate.

I said, here's my birth certificate. And he said, okay. He said, I need you to get two people to sign documents that say that they know you and they've known you for five years. And I need those documents notarized. I said, okay. To make sure that this is your real name, I was like, offended. Of course it's my real name. And I was like, okay. So I went and somebody that I had met probably, I'd known probably a month and a half. And then my girlfriend had known this other person probably two months. And I said, hey, listen, and explain the whole situation, can you sign this and notarize it? They said, sure, they both signed it and had them notarized and came back. No big deal. So I would have signed both of them, scribbled one. Yeah, but they needed to get them notarized, which I could have also done. Yeah, you pay a motorist 20 bucks extra.

I hear all these pieces of them. I hear you, I hear you. But we figured get real people. I didn't know if he was going to call them. So I can't pretend to be, you know, Susan and Jonathan. Yeah, I know, they don't. But I, you know, but you don't know. I didn't have been through the process.

He could have pretend to be. But go ahead. I didn't. When they called. Yeah, that's right. So I take these two documents. I fill up the paperwork. I have my birth certificate.

I give it to him. You know what he did? He filed a notice. He wrote up a piece of paper just a notice. And he actually put it on the, they have something inside of the court house. They actually had a wall, like a posting wall. He went and he stuck it up on the posted wall for 10 days. 10 days later, he took it down, and all the notice said was like if you have any problem with this person changing their name, please notify me, you know, immediately I'm filing a motion on this date.

Notify me at the court prior to this. Ten days later, he pulled it off. He filed a motion saying, Your Honor, I posted this 10 days ago. There is nobody, nobody has said anything. The other thing a lot of places do is they'll actually put it in the newspaper. And there are these little dummy newspapers that nobody actually buys, but it's a real newspaper. And they run an ad in the newspaper. And after two weeks or 10 days, if nobody has said anything, then they can apply.

So he then put in the application to the judge, and the judge went, boom. And I got a thing that says, my name is changed. I then can take that official name change. I went in to the DMV with my driver's license and they changed it on the ID. You then can go to Social Security and do everything else. It's all changed. So what I'm saying is based on that, that this is how this works, you could take that same exact formula and tell people from the Florida Treasury, you could find people's names that really are owed $10,000, $20,000, $40,000 and say, look, you give me 10% up front and I'll get you. the money. But you got to pay me the 10% up front. Here's what I do. And then you just, if they

say, well, what about this? You say, look, I need you to get one person to file this. It's not saying that you are, or two people to notarize these two documents or whatever it is. One person to notarize the document says, you are the heir to this person and send me a copy of your birth certificate. And I'm going to file a motion that says you're the air to this person. They'll release the $12,000 or $10,000 or $75,000. It's that simple. I do it all the time. And you did, if you did that, and they went to a website and saw the website and they saw you and say, what am I asking for?

I'm asking for you to send me 1,200 bucks. It's going to take 90 days for you. You get the money, but that's just the way it is. Well, no, I'm not interested. Okay, I understand. I'm just telling you this is somebody that this is the 90 days is too long for a person that want to come up. Well, okay, but here's the thing.

People get into an accident and flip and they're called in the bank. But I hear you, but you need to tell them a certain period of time because you need you'll be able to do this scam for at least, let's say, 60 to 90 days and then drag it out for another 30. So you need, if you say 60, then you probably have 90 before these people go to the police. That's where I think that the scam falls, because if anybody who was wanting any kind of justification and I come up off of funds and everything, 90 days is an eternity. Yeah, but think of people, well, okay, I hear you. They don't think bigger picture. It's not a lot of money, though, too. Keep mind, you go to the police and say, hey, this guy got me for $1,200. Like, I would rather

get 100 people for $1,000 than get two people for $15,000. You assume that I'll take the $100,000. I'll take that's $100,000 over $100,000. I'll take that. I can get, I can easily get a hundred people to give me $1,000 within 90 days. I don't know that I can get two people on that scam to give me $15,000. even if I'm hitting up roofers. I mean, I probably could, but that's a lot of phone calls. And what if I only get one? What if I get nobody? I'm definitely getting 100 people.

Right. You know, like I think that's the, because $1,000 is not a ton of money for somebody that you can go to a dot-gov. You can go to Florida.gov and check. And you can check it out. And guess what? Jennifer Smith does have $47,000 in the account. Or, you know, John Thomas does have $15,000. dollars that's owed to him.

And I'm telling you right now, if you give me these two things and this and this, I can get you that money. You pay me $1,200 bucks up front plus this. You get it. You could get $1,000, especially if they all look legit. And when they call back, by the way, in 60 days when they don't get their check, you know what you do? You answer the phone.

Hey, you know, hi, what's going on? Or you have your secretary. You've got to have a secretary involved. She's got to answer. Then they give it to you. Hold on. I'll have so and so. What happened?

Yeah, that worked out. so but could you imagine that the secretary answers and she's like oh i'm sorry he's not in what's what's going on and she kind of she's what now what's i well hold on let me take a note okay well wait let me look up on the computer hold on yeah you should have had that check issued you know what that no no we i have it here we sent in the paperwork his apple computer let me check no it's taking a lot of load yeah right yeah you so if you sat there and did that and said, no, no, I'll, you know what, I'll, I'm going to have Mr. Thomas call you back. So, all right, so you're, you just keep dragging it out.

You get another month. I just need 90 days. You can easily make a hundred grand, easily. I think that's very elaborate. I was never that guy, like with the elaborate schemes. Yeah, but that's what's great is as they're checking them out, as they check them. Listen, not only that, you understand, you can, I can get, you could get an article placed in, in a, in a, placed on the internet about your company and that this is what you. you do.

And you definitely was a trick, Zach, because whoever went through all of that, he would have been like, look, there's an article in the paper. It's got to be. I mean, think about it. If all of that paperwork had looked legit, and when Zach started looking, an actual article came up from some, listen, you can open up a website. I was convinced anyway, but I don't know if I'm getting to it. But you were convinced.

Let's face it, what stopped you was the 15 grand. If it had been 11 or 12 and everything checked out, and then you went and you said, let me do some reason. Let me look up who this attorney is. 3,200 and something dollars. I don't. I think you'd have paid it. I think you'd.

I think you'd have paid 11 or. But I think if it was a cleaner scam, you would have paid the 11-12-1-1-1. You knew right then. Didn't matter how much. Well, because, well, it's probably because he kept saying there's something about it. And I kept saying there's something about it. But I don't know what it is because they're not asking for money. As soon as they ask for money, I said, that's what it is.

There it is. Because I'm like somewhere this is lining me up. I'd have gotten. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I was suspicious from the beginning. I was hoping.

And then not only was he suspicious. I mean, to be honest, I might have been gotten a day. Before I did all the research, I might have been gotten. I might have been like three. Every red flag. had he uncovered, he justified. Ah, but it's a little shit. This is before I found out they wanted the money.

Before he found out the money. He kept like, you're wasting your time. Listen, yeah, I know, but I'm just going to take a look at it. You know, wasting your time? Do you know how bad I would, the, the, just talking right now and just coming up with this right now on the Florida.gov thing, he had any idea how bad. You know, he's still on this Florida. I would love to try.

that scam. What I just said just now, like, if I could get a cartblots from the government, I would, I would, I'd spend a week. That seems very, very, very elaborate. They're talking to us. The board elaborate. And that seems extremely elaborate. How is it elaborate? It's a website. It's a letter, a website, and it's placing one article in a in a dummy newspaper online so that when they go to look you up. If you even, if the, if the, if the, if the, if the, If you're on the phone, the person says to you, I don't know. This feels something's wrong.

And you say, hey, listen, I was written up last month in Business Direct. You can look me up right now. This is what my company does. There was an article last month on us. It's legit. But if you're not involved, I understand. I appreciate if you change your mind. But you're trying, but you're grabbing, in some instance, you're only going to get $15, $20.

What are you going to just turn away all the little ones? What are you talking about? What he's lost, what he's saying is this is. This is his hustle. I'm saying you. So he's going to build it like that and involve all of that stuff. And then you're literally with all these different people. I'm going on to Florida.gov and I'm just searching a name that is owed $45,000.

So when I contact you, I explain that there's a loose relation between you, this person and you. So you're related to John Smith. he's owed 45,000 he's deceased he hasn't claimed the money it's been there for seven years what chances are you think you're going to find that you to look up people that are owed 45,000 seven thousand two thousand three thousand tons of them frank colta trian's dad was was paid 65 000 he had 65 grand on there i was owed i was owed over two thousand dollars you're going to find tons of people that are owed money and all you have to do and so you only go with the big ones. You can use the same big one over and over and over again. They don't have to have the same name

because you're saying you are related to this person. All I need from you is to provide me with your birth certificate and one letter from a friend saying or from someone that's known you that will say they've known you for over five years and that you are, they are telling you that you are related. I even write the letter. You just have to go get it notarized and have your buddy Jennifer sign it. Jennifer will do it Jennifer you don't understand even if the person says if the person that gets the letter

thinks to themselves yeah but I've never heard of this person you don't know 99% of people are going to do I am related you're right they're going to say the lawyer said I was related that happens to me that happened to me but

you see the TikTok well it's kind of unrelated but like the guy finds like someone's at a department store looking at a shelf and the guy gets a big envelope with full of hundreds and he just kind of reaches underneath did you drop this?

Yep. Yeah, I did. Then he's like, split it with me, man. Split it with me. And some of them like, okay, like, here you go. And some are like, no, this is mine. What he's talking about? Yeah, I think that that does work.

Because they can now go to Florida treasure.gov and they can look at this. He's not. He's not sleeping later than night. I've never been to the site. I've been switching over to Zach. and then he's just, I'm thinking about adding an edit, like, did-de-de-d-de-h. Yeah, because I've never been to that site,

so I don't even know how it functions. Oh, it's great, man. You just, you put in, like, a name and date to birth or name or whatever, and it will look you, it'll look up. Like, if you give them your name, it comes up with all these names, and then you click on it, and then it will tell you, it'll search it, and they'll say, look, this person's owed four different, four different, whatever, and they'll say the deposit,

one is for $1,200, once for 700, once, and you end up, you're like, oh, wow, this is $2,300 and $12 that this person's owed. So you just turn around and you go find somebody and say, hey, that's actually your money. I just need you to pay me. I'll get it, but give me 10% up front. That's it. And they can go and check, but they can't get it themselves. Because if they're thinking, I can get it myself, no, you can't because you and I both know

you're not related to that person. But I'm a lawyer and I'm saying there is a connection. And all I need from you is to provide me with this and this. I file a motion in the court. They release the money. It's going to take about 90 days. And you change their name. I'm not changing anybody's name.

I'm just saying, so what is it that you're going to do that they can't do to get it themselves? Or you're just telling them they can't get it themselves. Because I'm telling them in the letter and on the phone. I'm telling them that this person is related to them. Right. There is a loose, there is a relation. And it doesn't even matter what the relation is. The person is deceased.

And based on, we had. We had an ancestry person look it up, and they're saying that you are their only living relative. And as a result of that, I just need you to say that you are their only living relative and have this document signed by a friend of yours. Send me your birth certificate to prove that it's you. I then file a motion with the court. And after it within 90 days, the Florida.gov, I'm sorry, Florida treasurer.gov will release

the funds to you. Well, that's what, so what he's saying is the reason why they can't do it on their own is because they need a lawyer. They need a lawyer. It's a court proceeding. And deep down, they're thinking to themselves like, I've never heard of this person. I may need a lawyer. Like, like, I can't do this on my own way because I don't know what. And if they say anything like, well, what's, what's the connection? You say, listen, listen. I know what you're, I know what you're, what no, you don't have to say this. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking you're going to go directly to Florida.gov or Florida, Florida Treasure.gov, and you're going to try and apply for the money without you. So I'm not going to tell you what our ancestry, whatever the name of those people are.

I'm not going to tell you how they found this out. Okay. This is what my company does. If you want to check us out, you can go to the website. You don't want to go to the website. You can look me up online. We were in Business Direct last year or last month. There's an article on my company. This is what we do if you're interested great if you're not interested i understand give me a call back if you're interested hang up the phone i guarantee they go look up let me look up the company boom there's a fucking 1200 page article they're going to look it up they're going to be like fuck these people this is what this guy does this is what this company does they're going to then contact a couple of people and everybody's going to be like yeah florida treasure dot com dot go that's a thing yeah why yeah i know my

friend Jennifer got back $500. Yeah, I looked it up. All the reviews. Yeah, but I mean, you're saying they're going to, well, no, I'm saying even if Zach then calls you and says, yeah, uh, uh, Florida treasure. Gov, are you ever heard of that? You're going to be like, yeah, that it's a thing where they have the thing, then they give people money back.

Yeah, well, I listen, I got a letter from a lawyer. You're going to say it's a scam. No, man, I looked it up. Then you're going to look it up, and you're going to read the article. You're going to be like, no, this is a thing because there are lawyers that do this. And their website is specializes in. Oh, it's perfect. money recovery absolutely i'm going to have people there with checks all these testimonies yeah

i don't know listen i think that's to me that's solid and that doesn't take more than on and off a couple of days to set up and then i'm telling you you're easily you have made 100 000 you have broke down the whole if you guys want to know more easily that's 100 that's 100 000 that's just your kick back working because i got i got 10 hours a week. So because I got scammed, he's going to try. I'm not trying. You're going to suggest.

I'm not saying I would love to try that. I can't, obviously. Oh, okay. No. I'm going to try it. I can't try it. You're going to concoct. I'm saying that's a bet.

My scam is better than that scam. My scam easily makes. That one's very. And mine's doable because anybody's going to come up with $1,900 or $1,200, $1,300. I like the tons of people. I like the number. yeah that's a hundred and that's nothing like you could easily make two or three hundred thousand dollars easily oh listen i got way better scams than that that are way easier than that

i'm just saying based on this that's a similar scam that would easily work and actually yield a ton of money i feel bad enough than i felt you don't want to yeah i wouldn't try that that's that's beneath me you don't want to compare scams for even though i'm retired you don't want to start i've actually brought a notebook hey what did your video bring in your um your video you're gonna do the outro that we gotta do the outro this is all intro this is all part of we're we're still in the meat and potatoes what yeah how much did how much did not money i'm sorry how much how much how many 290 still getting what did zax bring in what does zacks make four million i think let's find zacks full story yes i know i watch zacks

story daily it's full story let's see what zax brought in uh hundred and ninety three oh my god they're still coming we need to continue that we got two we got two 90 compared to one one one ninety three that's a little embarrassing no they that they just don't fully understand no you know it was too really in a way it might be embarrassing the other way because we probably only had 50,000 subs back then like we didn't have nearly that your story didn't get nearly the exposure That sixth-a-story guy. That's why I want to, after you do your, like in December or January, I kind of

I'm going to redo it because we stopped Zach's at when he got arrested. He gets arrested at the airport and that's it. So we don't know anything from prison on. Well, I got to do that. Yeah. And I got to go back to the old videos because you did the rent-a-car scans. He did all these different individual videos that I kind of know. They fit somewhere within the timeline, but they weren't told on that other podcast.

Oh, yeah. you could build a whole huge thing. So build like a whole thing. Because I think, I think retelling it, you probably wouldn't get that same reaction that like, you know, the first time you guys sat down. The only thing is it's not as, it's not as quality as this. Oh, this is high quality? I mean, it's better than this is what it used to be. Yeah.

The white walls, fuzzy. These lives probably weren't. Yeah, we had a different, different switcher. We didn't have all the equipment we have. That's a shitty version. Yeah, it's not. Yeah. This is it.

You got the benefit. of a lot of it. 2.90? You've got a 2.90. It's only been like a month. Two months. We didn't even, yeah. I get a lot of traffic on six gear.

Is that way you're keeping it? Shameless plug. No, that's on my Instagram. I am not the type to shamelessly plug six years. I wouldn't come on someone else's platform. Listen, and I get what you guys are coming from. from i will not even though six gear is a great place where you will find fun entertaining i did i stuff on there but yeah i'm not that guy what about the channel when are you started

your channel yep so i rebranded uh six the chronic uh the crime chronicles uh i started on i actually got some videos uh made that i'm getting with a really good editor and he's going to take a look at what I got um and walk me through some stuff but I've got some good footage coming up soon six years I got I got another comparison for you um all right so you both you guys did 48 lost power Zach did 74,000 six did 30,000 but we did have did even thumbnail for Zach and I was after following a video they got 800,000 what they are because the people clearly He loved that. He was a ditty way.

Yeah, he was writing the ditty waves, though. No ditty. No ditty. No diggedy. That's a different ditty. Yeah, you're right. Is that, are we? I mean, yeah, I think this is good.

Did you all like this? Did you? I mean, I love the, the fact that you were, you were a hair's breath. Is it a hair's breath? Is that a saying? Oh. Is that a saying? I don't, I don't, no.

And I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't going to send them the money I wanted to know what the scam was and that was his thing he wanted he's like what is his end game he was like what what is the purpose of it and because he couldn't see the purpose he thought that there was something well by the way a hair's breath is a thing when did they start that in the 30s probably a hair's breath it was that a horse thing your hair's breath or what is it what is it uh you escaped death by a hair's breath uh what does a hair's breath uh what does a hair's breath a very small distance or amount, very close. Well, I don't know what its origins are,

but I'll look it up later. On your own time. Yeah, sorry. I will check it out on origins. I bought a phone and everything. Are you, oh, he was, he was, bro, you don't see all this paperwork? Oh, God, 15s, it's the 1500s.

Wow. As a unit of measure that was equal to, one 48th of an inch you were young then you're a baby okay so yeah i see you i see you were close you you you had a file you bought a phone i'm sure i'm sure boy you must have been thinking i'm finally going to be able to pay off that restitution once he becomes a million i thought i swear i thought i was good i was dreaming millionaire that's that's what hurt It's the most about it. One of these podcasts, what I might have to do is try to build setups

some of these scams, have like three or four different scams that are going on, and then come on here, like, okay, let's call this guy. Oh, yeah, let's do it. I'm thoroughly embarrassed by that. And that guy sucked. I mean, just, this is Megrega. He sucked. I've seen one clip online.

He's talking to an Indian scamer, and he's wanted him to sit, like, don't send the money here, send it here. And he's like, send it here, like, send it here, like to the wrong place. Oh, yeah. No, no. What's it wrong with you? He could sit. He could say it.

He could say, it's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah. All right. Is that it? No, I can throw this away now. Can I do the outro? I can do the outro.

Okay. I'm going to throw this away now. Crime Chronicles. Six. Oh, okay. The crime chronicles. Okay. The crime chronicles.

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