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call, I truly believe that we were being led to where those children were, what we needed to do to keep our team safe. In fact, I have a whole bunch of stories and a bunch of examples of that exact thing happening in identifying where the kids were and being able to have successful missions because of us. So this actually kind of laid a foundation for everything for me, from building the successful companies to rescuing the children, all of these things was a conversation I had many years ago. It was a guy by the name of Jerry Prine. Now, sadly, Jerry died just a few years ago.

Jerry Prime. Prine, P-R-U-Y-N-E. Okay. Okay. So Jerry, Jerry was, he never graduated from elementary school. He couldn't read or write, yet he was the inventor of countless medical, life-saving devices, the original software that Siri, that, The IBM used for voice recognition was developed from something that he created.

Yet he couldn't read her right. You're like, well, that's kind of weird, right? So he was tested at the University of Utah as the highest IQ at the time that they had ever tested. One of the highest in the world. And I sat down with him, and he said, Paul, he said, you could have an IQ over 200 if you wanted. I'm like, no, I'm really not that smart. I worked really hard for my grades. I didn't even get a scholarship.

I said, plus, I don't think you can change your IQ, right? That's something you're kind of born with. We're all either somewhat smart, not smart, whatever, right? He said, no, he said, the difference between me and you is that I listen better than you. I said, what, you listen better than me? I touched my ear. He said, no, I listen better than you, and he touched his heart. And I was still super confused.

I said, I don't understand what you're talking. He said, do you think that I'm the inventor of those medical devices? I'm like, you're the, you own the patents, right? He goes, yeah, I do. I said, you're not the inventor? He goes, well, no, I'm not. I said, wait, you stole him? He said, well, kind of.

He said, tell me this, Paul. He said, how long has the universe been around? I'm like, millions of years. He said, billions upon billions of years. He said, those medical devices were invented billions of years ago. I was a better listener than you. And I'm still, I'm like, what? He said, most people discount their intuitions because they know not from where they came.

They think that they came from the limited knowledge they have of the books they've read and the people they've talked to and everything. He said, when you understand that we live in a world of connectivity with each other and we live in a world of universal truth that we can literally access anything. And we've all sensed it. At different times in our life, we're like, I need to check on my daughter. You know, I need to call my wife at this or something's going on. These are all things because there's a lot more connected than we understand.

And, you know, we've got our conscious mind, we got our subconscious mind, and then we've got access to what he was describing as the super conscious. It's literally the connections we have with everybody at all times and all places with what you might call God or the universe or the source or whatever else, all of this stuff. Is that like Young's collective consciousness? Yeah, I guess you can consider it. But it's not just a young theory. It's literally, you know, here's the thing. You know, I'm not going to go religious here, but I'm just going to just throw this out.

So, you know, here's how the average person communicates with God. It's praise, praise, praise, praise. You know, you're so good. You're so great. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. You know, sorry, forgive me for this, forgive me for this. And fix, fix, fix, you know, please bless this, help that this will happen in our life, et cetera. Well, can you imagine having a healthy relationship with, let's say that you're dating a new girl, right?

And you call her up and you say, praise, praise, praise. Hey, you're so gorgeous. You're so important. You're just amazing, amazing. fix, fix, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. You know, sorry about, I accidentally, you know, I left a mess in the kitchen and, you know, crashed the car and sorry, I cheated on you, whatever, and fix, fix, fix. When you come home, can you, you know, sweep the floor?

And then you hang up the phone? That would be a shitty relationship, right? Because it's very, very one-sided. What if, what if most of our communication with God, with the creator, whatever, what if it's so one-sided that so many of us never have a chance to have? have that two-way relationship, right? And so a lot of people think that meditation is an Eastern philosophy thing versus a Western one, et cetera, et cetera. The reality is if we can learn, and this is what Jerry was teaching me, he said, Paul, he said, if you can learn how to tune in, how to close off

your rational mind and tune into that feeling of truth, he said that everybody has access to. This isn't one thing that some preacher, some, you know, profit or whether, he says, all of us have access to that ability to tune in to that clear direction in our life. And when you do so, he says, it's imagine that you're like this, this incredible, massive supercomputer. And as a supercomputer, you have unlimited capabilities, but the only way that you're putting information into your computer, you don't have any internet connection whatsoever. And the only way you're putting information is those old little floppy disk, those little three-inch floppy disk, you know, e-e-e-e-e, right? He says that will only carry as much as like one word document at a time.

He says, that's how we're gathering information and putting it into our supercomputer. He said, when you learn how to listen, he said, you can literally download unlimited amounts of information. He said, most, there's a lot of scientists like Nikola Tesla, like even Einstein and others who talk about tuning into something beyond themselves, right? So that's all it. So that one thing started changing things in my life. As I started building my companies, when I got an intuition, I need to send this guy a text. I need to call this guy.

I would act on it immediately. I wouldn't sit here and rationalize it and think, oh, well, what if? What if this isn't the right time? What if he, what it doesn't matter. If it came to me, boom, I would act on it immediately. And I believe that the majority of the success of the companies that I built was because of the fact that I was using what you call multipliers. We all have like 24 hours in our day. And if we're trading time for money for things, we do it forever. Yet, if we can identify some things that can multiply our efforts, not only building a healthy team and whatever else, but in this case, identifying where it is you

want to go, and then tuning in and visualizing with emotion where you want to go, and then allowing the universe, allowing God, whatever you want to call it, to come in and start bringing those things into your life that are in alignment with where you're going, and then you follow them. That's where magic happens. And moving forward, in doing the undercover missions to help identify and rescue traffic children, which I know this is, you know, it feels a little bit off topic, but it's not at all. I think it's something that everybody can truly use in their life, whether it's just a quiet breathing in through your nose and holding it for a second and closing your eyes and tuning into that space in your heart, trusting those intuitions as they're coming in your life.

As the more you trust them, the more that you follow them, the more those things will start showing up. And all of us have seen, I'm sure that you've seen stuff in your life as well. but we started bringing those into the undercover work, and it was miraculous what ended up happening. Well, I was going to say, I think, I mean, I'm a big believer in intuition, you know, like every time, this is a very, you know, small, horrible example. But, you know, every time I've ever been cheated on by a girl, like you feel it before, nothing's changed, or every time I was running around on some. chick. And she's like, well, where were you? Well, what happened this? Well, why this? Well, who? And it's like, what is this chick's problem? But the truth is, her intuition told her, you're doing something wrong. You were someplace you weren't. Even though everything, I went to work. I came home the same time.

I met her when I was supposed to make her. Nobody's told her anything. She doesn't know any of these people or friends or anything. They just, you can feel. And everybody's had that intuition where they feel like something's wrong. Even if you're a little kid, you skip school or something. And your mom just like, How was school today? You know, they just feel something's up. So I think everything, you know, there's tons of, tons of things like that. Well, and there's a book that I had some of our undercover operators read, that it was called The Gift of Fear.

And in the Gift of Fear, he talks about how we've got our conscious mind. It's this processing our conversation right now. However, over 95% of our life isn't run by our conscious. conscious mind. It's run by our subconscious and part of our superconscious, right? And so a lot of our subconscious is information overload that is way too much for your conscious mind. In fact, your subconscious mind knows how many stoplights you have stopped at your entire life combined. Your subconscious mind knows how many steps you've taken in your life. Your subconscious mind knows exactly how many triangles are on this thing right behind me. Every single one. All of that

stuff, your subconscious mind knows all of it. In fact, your subconscious mind picks up on little teeny cues. This is where the gift of the fear came in, is that you might have been walking into this building and you're out of your peripheral, something your conscious mind didn't even pick up on. There was a guy that was over here that was in a coat that was too heavy for this, because it was kind of hot outside and, you know, little things like that, or the feel of the room. Or let's say that you're in a business, uh, negotiating. And you're looking at the pupils of the guy that you're talking to. Your subconscious mind picks up the fact that those pupils are dilating a different time

and those body language signs that he might be lying to you. Your subconscious picks up all of that stuff. So when you're subconscious, when that feeling inside, your intuition is going, I don't know if I trust this guy. Or I need to be more aware in this situation. I should go from an awareness level a little bit higher. so that I can pay attention. Why? Because there's other little cues that are picked up in your subconscious. So if your people say, we only use 10% of our brain. No, we use like 0.0001%. If you consider the

fact that your conscious mind is here, your subconscious mind is gathering all this information and feeding you stuff. But being able to tune in in that meditative space and that listening space, etc. Now you access the superconscious. And the superconscious is beyond the twitching of their eyeballs or all these subtle cues that are coming. The superconscious mind knows the conversation that your girlfriend had with that guy totally away from all of that stuff. Your superconscious can pick up on all of that and help guide you and lead you in ways in your life that are beyond imagination. I was thinking about the time I was in the bank. I went to a bank one time. Fake ID, cash a check. And the manager, he just kept coming over, well, why are you

cash in the check? I tell him my explanation. He'd come back and go, why don't you deposit the check in your bank account? I give him the explanation. Like, I know all the, everything you're going to ask. I already have the explanations. Everything I'm saying makes 100% sense. He He turns in the back. He starts making phone call, calls this number, calls this number, calls this. He knew the whole time he knew. And I knew he knows something's wrong. He can't put his finger on it because the idea is real.

The check is good. Everybody he calls is somebody's the answer to the phone given the correct answer. Like everything is covered. But he was adamant something was wrong. And when he finally came back and had gone through all the checks and everything, I checked all the boxes and he counted out like $29,000 in cash. And I'm putting the money in my pockets. And I'm standing there.

I get up to, I'm leaving. He stopped me. And the name I was using was Scott Cugno. And I remember he stopped. He goes, Mr. Cugno? And I said, yeah, what's up? But he goes, I want to let you know. He said, I feel very apprehensive about this transaction.

And I go, really? I go, what is it? Exactly. And he goes, I can't put my finger on it. And I go, it'll come to you. And I turn around, I bolt like I just walk right out. And, but he was, you know, everybody's, it's like he, in the whole thing, it was like, it's like, you know, I, you made the call.

You called here. You did this. You ran the check. You checked on. You did everything. But in his heart, he just, he didn't have a choice, but to give me the money. It's like at this point, I have to give him the money. But even after everything, at no point did he ever go.

Yeah, it's fine. He just was like, something's wrong. There was something in him telling him, something's not right. And he just knew it, you know. And we all have access to that. The problem is that we let all of this chatter in our conscious mind just fill it up. And we very few people take that time to really tune in. In fact, you know, we live in a world today where we're inundated with our electronics,

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affected because we're never taking that time for our mind to start processing. You know, we'll have activities and stuff, but then we'll jump right into other things, and your brain needs that quiet time. It needs that quiet time to process. it needs that quiet time to take things into your long-term memory, et cetera. And most importantly, it needs that quiet time to do what he did, to be able to start feeling rather than just leading our life from our five senses. And once we start doing that, then we can, that's a multiplier,

multiplier on creating value in our life and pursuing things, all of these things. It's all of it's there. And you know, what's interesting about it is that once you decide where you want to go in life, and the universe isn't judgmental. It's really not. You know, if your goal, you want to be on a yacht with 70, you know, supermodels, and that's what your goal is. And you can start tuning in that the people, the circumstances, everything will come into place,

that that will end up being in your life. Believe it or not, right? So you can use it for good or bad. You can use it whatever it is. This is not a principle where we only have to be doing healthy, moral things. And it's important to know this because identifying where you want to end up is vital, vital.

You know, I used to, it's like this. People are like, you know, what, how do I want to become successful? So where do I want to go in life? If my sister used to be a travel agent, and if I called her up and I said, Tiffany, I want to be on a 727, 737 tomorrow at 3 o'clock. She'll say, well, where do you want to go? I said, well, in addition to that, I needed to have, you know, a blue tail and I want the engines on the wings, not on the back. She went with the, where do you want to be, right?

And so many times in life, we're trying to figure out our vehicle instead of our death. destination. If we simply identify where we want to go, I want to have a healthy relationship with my spouse. I want to have enough money where I don't have to worry about it every single month. I want to drive and get super clear on that. And then once you're clear on the direction that you're going, then start learning to follow those signs when they start coming, the people, the circumstances, everything, then everything will start conspiring to create that thing in your life. And so, you know, it's, you can call it, um, you can call it faith if you want. A lot of people think that faith is going to church and asking God to fix things in their life that they don't

believe are going to be fixed. That's not faith. That's, that's blind hope. Faith is, is a principle of power. Next to unconditional love, it's the, it's the most powerful law in the universe. And it's simply this. It's the unwavering conviction that what I want to have happen will happen. And, you know, John chapter 6 says, ask in faith, nothing wavering. The problem is that most people have a hard time with that unwavering conviction about anything. Should I marry this woman? Should I start this new job? And it's because they don't know if it's in line with what God wants for them.

When they understand that literally they are co-creating with divinity, co-creating with God, the life that they're putting together, especially if it's having a healthy life and God is blessing those. efforts. It doesn't matter if your goal is if you want to be an astronaut or a billionaire or whatever else. You can create those things if you if you visualize what it is, put in the efforts and start following. And I have a whole bunch of examples of that, but let me talk about the child rescue work in doing so. I remember when I, I went into Haiti once and I had a brand new team. These guys, these guys hadn't worked with me before. This time I had led about 30 plus

undercover missions, and I was getting very, very good at finding out exactly where the kids were and where they were being held and everything else. And it was about two in the morning. And we hadn't found any connections with traffickers. And I said, guys, can I take lead? Are you good with that? They're like, yeah, yeah, these guys said, you're really good at this. I want to see what you do. These guys are, you know, Navy SEAL, Greenberry, I mean, they're tattooed up and they're big, I'm just me, right? And they said, they said, yeah, I see what you're, I hear you're really good at this. Tell me what you do. I said, okay, I said, first things first, I need you to understand that I believe in God. I said, most people believe in a supreme power. Some people call them the universe of Jehovah.

I says, it doesn't matter. I said, God exists and cares more about these children than you and I ever could. And knows exactly where they are. So if you're okay with it, even if you're not, I'm going to start out by asking for some help. So here we are downtown Port of Prince Haiti, the darkest, most voodoo-infested place in the Western Hemisphere, and we take off our hats and we offer up a prayer. And then I said, guys, now I need you to understand how I see fear and faith. I said, fear and faith cannot exist in the same person at the same time on the same subject. The reason behind it is in a way they are the same power. People who believe bad things will happen to them actually attract that into their lives.

people who believe good things actually attracted into their lives. It's the same power but on opposite, opposite ends. I said, so because of that, I might do some things tonight that you guys are going to think are a little bit stupid, right? Because I don't have that. I feel safer here because I truly believe that we are on God's mission. I feel safer here at 2 in the morning in downtown Port of Prince, Haiti, than I did sit in my office in the U.S.

I said, now, now I said, have you ever heard of the, these guys are like, okay, dude, you know, whatever. And I said, have you ever heard of that movie? Remember that movie, Finding Dory? You know, in the second one, Finding Nemo, this stupid fist, this is a little kid's movie, right? Yeah, Finding Nemo. Yeah, Finding Nemo. The one after that was called Finding Dory. And Dory is this stupid fish with a two-second memory, right? And her parents are somewhere in the ocean complex. And she's just keep swimming, keep swimming. And, you know, And finally she ends up finding her parents. I said to these sales, I said, guys, I said, you might, I might operate a little bit like Dory tonight. I said, because I'm not going to follow logic and protocol. I'm going to listen. You know, similar to that story we talked out about with, began about with Jerry Pratt. I said, I'm going to tune in and listen.

These guys are like, okay, whatever. This is weird, but okay. So I said, okay, just drive, drive. We're driving. I said, okay, right there, stop. He says that black alley, that motorcycle gang right there. I said, yeah, stop right there. He said, what are you going to do? I said, that guy knows something. I can feel it. He said, bro, he said, this is a super dangerous area. We have to survey the area first, make sure that we're good.

I said, no, we don't have time for that. I said, he's going to be gone. I said, in fact, you guys are going to intimidate him. You guys stay here. I'm going to go out. I'm going to talk to him. He's like, are you stupid, Paul? I said, look, I'll buy you pink panties when we get home. I don't have two weeks to figure out who's selling kids. I said, I said, this guy know something. And so I get out and I walk up and this guy, he's sitting on this motorcycle and he pulls up his shirt as I get to him and there's a gun that's like tucked into his pants right here.

And I'm just listening on my heart. I say, I pull out of, I remember, I think it was a $20, maybe it was a $100 bill. I hand him this $100 bill and he goes, what's that for? I says, that's for you, you keep it. I said, I have another one for you. You can help me with something. I said, I have a friend in the U.S.

He's got a lot of money. Pays me to set up parties for him. He likes 10-year-olds. You connect me with who he's looking for, who can provide that. I can give you another hundred bucks right now. He said, your friend's fucked up. I said, yeah, he is.

I said, buddy, pays me good to set it up. He says, I know somebody. I knew he did. Boom, he gets on a phone, calls this lady who was running a strip club, who the majority of her money was because she was actually selling minors. And through that connection, we followed the lead all the way up to, we ended up taking down the largest child trafficking ring in the entire Caribbean,

which included four corrupt federal judges as part of that sting operation. Now, that lasted over a few. Federal judges in the Caribbean. In Haiti, yeah, four Haitian federal judges that were tied in with it, that let these traffickers out and a whole bunch of other stuff. So that all came from just that one experience here. Now, I had a whole bunch more, but another one, I think that you'll really like, unless you want to have questions on that one, and then we'll talk about it.

Well, I mean, I'm wondering how that whole thing kind of transpired, like after you go to him, then what, he schedules a meeting, you go meet with this woman. He's what I call a schedule, a level one trafficker. They're the guy selling cocaine at two in the morning. They're not going to go to jail. them and they know the streets, right? So we go meet with us other lady. Her name is D.

She's running the strip club that's there, and we go in, we talk with her, and she's like, oh, yeah, you know, give me another hour, and I'll connect you with my people who can provide all that, et cetera. We meet with a guy by the name of Dolo, and I created the relationships, but it was that night. I had to be flying out the next morning. This was literally just a quick trip in and out. I had to be out of there.

And these guys have been on the ground for about five days and hadn't found any real leads. And so boom, that last day, we were able to connect with all these guys. So I had to fly out two weeks later. I'm texting back and forth with the lady who owned the strip club, et cetera, come back in. They introduce us to somebody else, somebody else, somebody else. We end up working our way up to what I call a level three trafficker.

Now, here's what's interesting. The level one guys, most of those guys are guys. They're dudes, right? there, two in the morning and selling cocaine and whatnot. The level twos, these are ones who are pimps, they sell women, but they have access to the children. And most of them are men as well, maybe 10, 20% of them are women. By the time you get to a level three, the ones who physically hold the children in captivity, somewhere between 25% and 50% of them are women, which is surprising to a lot of people.

So this top one was a lady by the name of Cho. Big fat lady. She had been trafficking for decades, decades. And we worked our way up. Cho's a perfect nickname for Herb all the way. Is it? Yeah, you know what they? Yeah, yeah, Chomo.

Exactly. In the prison system, yeah, they called her Cho. And we had built some trust with her henchmen guys. And they took her, it was late at night, almost midnight. I had been into this operation almost two months by now. And I'd go in for a couple days. I'd fly out, stay texting on my burner phone with some of the traffickers, etc. Just because we wanted to, I was tired of trafficking continuing to come up in Haiti.

We wanted to chop the head off the dragon, right? We needed to get to the top. And so finally, the first time that I met her, her guys took us this place. It was late at night. It was in Pationville, just outside of Port. of Prince. Now, Haiti as a whole is dangerous. Porta Prince is a shit hole. Pachianville outside of Porta Prince, this is at 2 in the morning, this is really dangerous. And there was this door. It was about four feet wide, about seven and a half, eight feet tall, big door. It was a steel door and red in

color with rust it on the side. She sticks a key in this door, opens it up, and there's a dirt hallway that I see and then dimly lit with some cobwebs on the side. And then on the left was multiple cell doors. We're talking steel doors, no window at all. And she sticks a key in one of these smaller doors. And the first thing I see is a, it's not a bad, it's a steel plank that's held to the wall with a chain, you know, so you can fold it up and if you need to, because the room was only five feet wide and about six feet deep. Again, dirt floor. And on that steel plank was a dirty old blanket that this child had been using.

To the left was a little girl. No. This girl was now 14. She was taken when she was seven. Her parents were killed in the earthquake in Haiti. Nobody knew she was alive. And at the time of the earthquake and in other situations like that, that's where traffickers will move in because there's so much upheaval going on that people don't miss the kids. This is what happens in war-torn countries all the time.

So she had been taken seven years before. She looks at me with a blank look at her eyes like this is what happens every day. That girl had been sold 10, 20, even 30 times a day for seven years. She didn't say one word for two weeks after we rescued her. I'll tell you how we did the rescue in a second. But she didn't say one word for two weeks. And her very first words that she said were I didn't think anybody would come. She had given up hope.

I told you I wouldn't make you cry. Yeah. You're like, no, I'm good. She had given up hope seven years before. Yeah. And what makes me so mad is that every single man who walked through that door, every single man for seven years. Yeah, I knew she was there. Was there to read her?

And nobody turned it in. Nobody, right? Me and Andy were the first people who walked through that door that didn't have that intention. Well, those are horrible countries. Yeah. I mean, first of all, you walk in the room. You've already determined you're totally okay with the misery. Visit BetMDM-DM casino.

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Corrupt. You know, corrupt, brutal. Just, you know, they're horrific places. People in the United States have no idea how good they are. And look, how far is Haiti away? It's not, you know what? Is Cuba like nine miles or 90 miles? Yeah, it's what?

But roughly 100 miles away. Yeah. And so Haiti's probably got to be three or 400 miles. Like, you could drive if you could drive. Yeah. You fly there in an hour. Yeah. You know, it's super close.

And nobody's concerned about it. Nobody's, you know, and it's run by basically just the gangs. Oh, and it's gotten really bad, really bad. I truly believe that the massive upheaval of tires burned in the street and even the assassination of the president, all of those things, I believe those came from the power struggle that we started on this mission. because again, this mission went all the way to the top. This ended up with four corrupt federal judges being identified as somebody that was involved with all of this.

So it was— How did you guys grab the— Was it just the little girl, where there were multiple? No, there was a whole bunch. Yeah. So I had connected with Cho. I had connected with Dolo, all of these different traffickers over just making sure that we had all of them.

And then I said, listen, you know, we're going to have—we're going to have—we're back in the early days, we would have a sting operation that was set up like a party because we needed to get all of these guys together in the same place at the same time. If you took down just one of them, then boom, the rest of them would go into hiding.

You couldn't do them. You either had to do a massive sting on each one of their operations or you had to have them bring their children and have the trafficker showed up to a central place, right? So I had a friend who had a yacht

that he had toured around the world on. This was a cataround that was like 55 feet wide, huge cat, beautiful, beautiful boat. And he had told me multiple times, he said, Paul, if you can ever use my yacht on one of your missions, he said, I would donate it just for the mission, whatever you need. Well, this was the opportunity because we had a very high-level celebrity, somebody who's one of the top business coaches in the world that is very well known,

that I can't say his name online because he hasn't said that I can tell him which most people would know who he is. And he's like, I want to see an operation, but we needed to keep him in a protected state to see a takedown. So we had him on the yacht with a bunch of real Navy SEAL Green Beret guys that were there as his real protection. And the Homeland Security agent who had first recruited me, he would come at the very end of these missions with all the cameras and tell the story.

And you can see this whole story on a documentary called Operation Tucson. When you watch that, you'll see that little girl I was telling you about at the very end, she's holding a teddy bear. And, you know, that was the girl who was taken when she was seven. Well, this entire operation, multiple traffickers, 34 children is what they brought together, but they represented hundreds and hundreds of more children throughout their network, but we were able to take them down with the kids that they brought. And so we rented this beach area, had the yacht that was sitting off the beach. I meet the traffickers.

I tell them all, listen, we're all going to meet at this, this restaurant area, bring all the kids, and then we had multiple vans there that we put all the kids on, and then we brought them over to the beach area. And so then they're sitting there on the beach, this celebrity guy who ended up really doing well in promoting what we were doing. He saw the kids there on the beach. We put them in a little dingy, not a dingy, we put them in a little palapa, a little grass-hot thing, and gave them ice cream and drinks.

and we told the traffickers, listen, we're going to go see the big boss on the yacht. No knives, no guns, no problem. So we take all of their weapons, we put them in a little box there, check them, and we get in a little dingy, and we go out to the yacht. We're sitting on this back table

with undercover cameras so that we can document everything. They said, so they can't say later, oh, I thought we were coming to a pool party, a beach party with the kids. No, no, you set on camera, where you got them,

what they would do for what price, all of this stuff, right? And so we're sitting there and this this celebrity has got this big huge beard on him. So you can't even tell that it's him. And I'll tell you it was. It was Tony Robbins. I almost, that's why I started to smirk out that. I was going to say, Tony Robbins.

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, we can't hide Tony. He's like six foot nine. Yeah, yeah. Everybody knows what he sounds like. But we had a makeup artist put a big beard on him and everything else. And so he's sitting there on the, on the, laying there on the couch. And the lady, a beautiful woman is waving him and stuff.

And so he's just listening to this conversation. And I'm there sitting with the traffickers and we get them to say exactly where the kids came from and everything else. And then we put the traffickers back on the dingy. I get on there with him. And the president of the foundation that I was working with at the time gets on. Now, he used to work in Homeland Security. He had never been in like a situation like this. He was a desk guy, right?

He gets on the boat wanting to be a part of the takedown. Now, I had done a bunch of takedowns. And shit happens on. these takedowns, right? So we go back in with these guys. We're handing out that we're in this little house thing and all of a sudden, boom, federal agents from Haiti come in from all directions. Boom, boom, boom. And they're throwing us all on the ground. They ran out of handcuffs because of how many traffickers were there. And so they had these zip ties, not little ones. We're talking big fat zip ties. And they're throwing me and him on the ground with these zip ties. Well, the agent who

was on top of me didn't know I was a good guy. He wasn't at the meeting the night before. and we didn't want to tip it off because we were so high level with these guys. So even the federal agents didn't know that we were good guys. They just knew they were arresting us and putting us in. The head of the federal police that knew who I was was out in the car waiting for me to be taken out there to the back of the police car. But they throw these big zip ties on. They pick us up. They take us out.

And as soon as we go outside the door of the house, boom, I get hit on the side with some rocks. The locals had found out that there was a child drinking. party going on. And they were pissed. So they're throwing rocks at us. So the cops like putting his hands over the top of my head and boom, runs me out to, takes us out and puts us in the back of this police, the police car where the chief of police is there. Who knows who we are. And the locals are like, boom, boom, they're pounding on the back of the car. And he takes off out of there. And he gets out of the beach area and gets out onto the main road. And he says, okay, I have a handcuff keys for you. I'm like, I don't, I got, I got zip ties. You know, do you have a, do you have a, do you

have a knife, you have pliers, he goes, I don't have that. I said, we have a bigger problem. He said, what's that? I said, well, while they were zip tying me back there, the agent who was on top of me didn't know I was a good guy. And he patted me down, and my passport, my real passport, was in my inner pocket in my pants. Because usually is what happens. We send all of our luggage to the airport, and when they arrest us at these things in the cop car, they instead of taking this to jail, they take us straight to the airport, boom, we get out of town. So I had to have my passport on me. Well, I said that the federal agent was patting me down. He pulls it out. He throws it on the evidence pile with the trafficker stuff. And I'm like, that's my real passport, right? And so I said,

I said, well, that's a war zone back there. We can't go back. I said, I know. He says, we have to wait until we get to the police office and they bring all the stuff. So we're sitting there waiting. The jet's waiting for us. You know, I had a private jet that I had paid for for the operation. And, you know, all the Tony's there. All these guys are waiting there. And I, I, I, I, I'm going on to the, that we wait for the PlayStation. Finally, they get my passport. So we get back on the plane and, you know,

this is one of the most beautiful moments of my life was Tony in his big huge hands. He's like, you know, clasas as I get on the jet. And I'm like, okay, I feel really good about that because he knew that I had spent the last three and a half months, undercover, taken down these guys, finding out where they came from, everything else. So I sit down with him, we fly back to the U.S.

Two weeks later, two weeks later, four federal judges let all the traffickers out of prison, citing that the real bad guy wasn't the traffickers. The real bad guy was the American that got away. Now, it wasn't Paul Stone, it wasn't Paul Steele, it wasn't Paul Black, it wasn't any of my undercover aliases. It was Paul Hutchinson. Right, because they had the past. They had the past. What I didn't know is that on the way to the police place, they had written down, they had tied. my information on. So by the time I got my passport back, it was already there. And so, boom,

they let the traffickers out. So we had to fly the first lady, the head of the federal police and others to the U.S., the foundation I was working with. So they could hear the whole story. And I give them the details of every, every text, every picture, everything with all these traffickers. The guy in the federal police, he stands up, he goes, I don't care if I lose my job. I don't care if I lose my life. I'm going to clean up the corruption in my country. They went back in, arrested the traffickers again, the federal judges were taken down. And that was the power struggle that I believe ended up with literally within a few months later. There was tires burning in the streets. There ended up being assassination of the president. And sadly, that country

ended up going the wrong direction. It was already in the wrong direction. But the last year, you don't want to go there now. It's literally run by the gangs and it was super negative. You told that story last time you were here. I fucking did? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Except for the Tony Robbins part. Yes. That's a good. That's a good. Damn it. Yeah, yeah. I didn't hear myself telling that down story.

As you were telling, as you were telling, I was like, this is the exact same. Shit. Well, you didn't tell the lead up to it and the Tony Robbins part. No, no, not the Tony. Yeah. You didn't mention the Tony.

Robin's part, which is, which is hilarious. And you didn't, but, but everything else, like, the red door. I tell the red door stuff, you know, where the little girl was sitting there with the bed that came down. I didn't tell that. No, no, no. I didn't tell them. But I told about the rocks throw one and stuff.

Just the, just the capture. The capture. The capture in the passport. Because you were talking about different things and you had thrown in one time, last time it was. And one time, we had taken down. And so you started at the arrest forward last time. Oh, sorry, guys.

You got to the, as soon as you got that whole part of it. out if you're like, oh, we can't. We got to leave it in. That's good. That's good. The only difference was is that last time you had mentioned Tony Robb's, yeah, Tony Robb's, yeah, you're not hiding Tony. You can't hide his voice. You can hide anything about him. Yeah. But, so, okay, so, so what, I mean, what? So you want to know the whole take down of that. I was, I was talking about following, you know, this. And there's other operations that we didn't talk about in, in Ecuador and others, where we took down some rings that we were literally being led exactly where they were. So if you want to go down those, great, I can tell you the big takedowns on those, etc.

I can tell you when my wife went undercover. Okay. You know, after I met my wife who, you know, she was the one that didn't want to wear the $2,000 dress. And, you know, she just wanted to wear a $200 dress and donate the rest of charity. She's an amazing woman. She runs the foundation. And she speaks fluent Spanish. She's from Colombia.

she's an actress who just came out with a movie last year she was a lead female she's an assassin who kills assassins in this movie is kind of a badass right right that sounds like columbiana exactly yeah kind of like that so so she um she was doing a lot of the aftercare with the kids that after we met so she we would we would do some of the missions with some of the operators she would do a lot of the aftercare and she um she kept saying paul i want to do i want to do undercover. I want to go with me. I said, listen, no, I'm I going to take you under cover. This is, it's not, it's not, it's not a little walk in the park. I said, until you can beat me at Krav Maga, we're not going undercover, right? And she, you know, she, so she, she still can't, you know,

right? I'm not that badass, right? I'm really not that good. My daughter, my daughter, my daughter, so, yeah, exactly. She is. She's just tiny. And so, so, so for a few years, she just really wanted to go and help out and not just the aftercare stuff. Well, then I was working in Ecuador, and we had some teams down there, and we had identified six different trafficking organizations, and one of them came from some of the leads that she had found while she was in Peru talking with one of the victims,

which was awesome. So the federal police called me and said, Paul, you've worked up to the level two, like we talked about before. There was this level two that was her name, she was a madam. So it was a female trafficker, level two meaning she was running, she was selling kit, she was selling women, she had a bunch of women and she had access to kids.

They says, her name was Paola. You need to get deeper on finding out where she's getting the kids. We need to either have her take you to where they're keeping them or we need to get her to bring them to a place so that we can then follow the car, et cetera. We need to find out where the kids are. I said, okay, yeah, we can do that. So I'm texting back and forth with her. Well, Paola didn't speak any English.

Most of the traffickers speak English. So most of the operations that we've done, the trafficker speaking, because the clients are English speaking. She was selling kids to the Chinese. Okay. And so she only spoke Chinese and Spanish. So I needed to have a translator. Well, Jimmy speaks fluent Spanish,

and usually he's with me as a translator. And so I called up Jimmy. I says, listen, they need to have us down there this weekend. and they have all of their team in place, and they really need us to get deeper on where she's getting the kids. And Jimmy's like, bro, I can't go. I've got an event that weekend. I can't go at all.

I'm like, crap, I need to find somebody I can trust that speak Spanish. And then I found out that Paola, her level three, the one that she was getting the kids from, was a transvestite. So I'm thinking, okay, you know what, I can handle a, I can handle a madam and a tranny with, you know, that's not that dangerous. I'm like, okay, I can deal with this. I can deal with this energy, no problem. But I need a translator.

And my wife was going with me to something else in Latin America, I said, babe, you want to go undercover? I need a translator. She's like, oh, yeah, that would be awesome. I said, listen, but I've got to figure out how to tell these guys and I'm bringing a beautiful woman with me. She says, just tell them you a picture. Visit BetMGM Casino and check out the newest exclusive.

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So I like, okay, yeah, they're cool. So I sent $500 to the madam. I sent $500 to the tranny. And I told him, later everybody was like, how the hell are you sending them money? I was sending them as Paul Stone, not as Paul Hutchinson. I'm sending him as Paul Stone through Western Union. Right. Right?

A lot of people are like, but because the average Western you have to have ID and everything else. No, if you, you can set up a fake profile and go in. And so it was, I'm sure you knew all this stuff. It was usually to pick it up. Yeah. But even sending it, you need it. Oh, okay. Yeah, a lot of times you do.

But unless you set up a fake one. But yeah, it's usually just a pickup. What's so cool about that is that when I'm sending a money, now they have to send me their sedula, their ID. I send that to the federal police that's one of the tools that we use to get the extra information from them, right? And so I sent them 500 each. And I said, listen, I'm flying down.

My boss has to verify that you guys have all of the inventory that you say you have. You've shown me pictures. I'm sending you this money now. And when I get there, I will pay you $100 for each one that you show me. You can either take me to where they are, we can meet somewhere. Everyone that you showed me on your pictures already, I'll pay $100 for each one. But I'm flying down in a couple days. And so we set all that up.

We fly down there. And I'm texting with the tranny and no answer at all. I'm like, what the hell? Why am I getting ghosted here? So I text them at them. I said, what's going on? Why the tranny's not answering me? And she's like, oh, she got detained.

What do you mean detained? Oh, she rented out some of the kids to somebody and to a foreigner that came in. The foreigner beat up, beat up one of the kids, left a scar on her cheek. and that's hurting her inventory and her ability to sell that child. And so she went in with guns and the cops ended up coming and took her in.

So I'm like, so she's away for good? Or what? She's like, oh, no, no. She knows the local cops really well. But, you know, it's just protocol. They've got to keep her for a couple days. They'll let her out in a couple days. I was like,

catching release. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I don't have a couple days. I've got a couple days. We have to do this operation now. And I knew, I knew, I knew the madam had access to other suppliers. It wasn't just the tranny.

Now, Paul Hutchinson's nice. Paul Stone's an asshole, right? And so I said, I said, well, I'm texting, and I said, I don't care. I don't fucking care. I said, I sent you 500, and I sent her 500. I know where you live. I'm coming to get my 500 out of your ass if I have to, right?

And I want the 500 from the tranny. I want my $1,000 back right now, unless you can show me what my boss is. I'm wasting my freaking time, right? And she's like, oh, no, no, you know, she says, I have other others for you. I said, I knew she did, right? I said, I said, tell me, we're, we're going to get to take me there? What?

She said, give me a minute. About half an hour later, she texted me back. She goes, okay, meet at this restaurant, this restaurant at 2 o'clock this afternoon. I'm like, okay, cool. We show up at the restaurant and she's shaken. She's like super nervous. Why? Because her other supplier, I'm there with my, with my wife,

Right? Posing as a hoe from Columbia. You know, she's dressed apart and everything so she can help translate for me. We show up and that the madam is shaking because her other supplier isn't another tranny. It's cartel. Right. Now, if I knew that cartel was going to show up, I wouldn't have my wife there. Right.

Are you freaking kidding me? So I'm like, we're sitting there and she, she, these guys show up with armed security. Now, guns aren't legal down there, but if you're the cartel, you can do whatever. whatever you want to. So they've got armed security that shows up at this, at this restaurant. Now, picture this. We've got six federal agents. Four of them are actually either in the restaurant or in the little mini-time restaurant thing that was next door. The others are outside that were watching what car they came in on so they could put a tracker on the car, all of this stuff. So I've got these federal agents that are watching the armed security that are watching this

table at the middle with me and my wife, one other of my operators there, and nine kids with the cartel. So, and then the madam says, hey, you want to go to the bathroom? Just how girls do, right? They get up and go to the bathroom together. And so my wife, she says, says to my wife, this hoe from Columbia that I have pulls her into the bathroom with her. So I'm like, shit. I'm not sitting here. I've got to stay here. She's in there with a trafficker. And so my wife's story, she says, she goes in there. And immediately this, this, this madam is saying, hey, tell me, is he good? Because I could get. whacked dead if he's not good. She's, what do you mean he's good? Well, he's not interpol or something, right?

And my wife's like, oh, no, no, you give him what he wants. He gives you whatever you want, you know. You just, you just take care of him. He'll take care of you. She says, okay, good, because those guys are super dangerous and whatever. Well, then she pulls out cocaine. They're in the bathroom, offers it to Vanessa. She's like, she's like, oh, no, sorry. You know, Pablo will get pissed at me if I get too high right now. You know, he's waiting for the party to night or whatever. She says, okay. And then this madam, freaking face-times her son for his birthday party. She was, she's literally, she's selling kids working with a cartel, and it's her kid's birthday party that day, right? And then, and they're in there for a long time. And I'm like, shit, I need to go check on this. So I go and I, boom, open the door of the girls' bathroom. You guys partying without me in here?

They're like, oh, no, you know. So they end up coming back out. So we're sitting around there at the table. these guys put this this 13-year-old zero-kilometer miles, as they called her, they're next to me and says, hey, you know, you can go try the goods right now. I'm like, no, you know, my boss will kill me and my whole family if I taste the candy before the party, but I actually have to verify you have it, et cetera. And so we just built the relationship with him, exchange contact information, et cetera, and then this is one where we didn't, we weren't there as part of the sting operation. This is one where the feds had put a pin on the car itself so they could find out where they're keeping the kids, et cetera.

And two days after we left, boom, they went in, did a sting, arrested all of these guys. They rescued, I think there was 20-something kids there. These guys got, they got 25 years and four months in prison. I don't know why they didn't get life in prison, but, you know, we got 25 years that these guys are all in prison. Plus, you know as well as I do because you were, you know, behind, if you put a jail in prison here in the U.S., you have to separate them from the other, you know, the drug dealers and the other crimes

because they'll beat the shit out of those, those. In Latin America, many times they don't separate them. You get put in jail for crimes against children. You get ravished every day. They might not make it that 25 years, yeah. Well, unless they just get released completely. Right. My deal with the federal police is, listen, we will do the work.

I will pay the money. All we ask these guys stay in jail for good. And in fact, the guy that was running that operation with me down there ended up getting promoted to the head of anti-trafficking for the whole country, and then the head of anti-trafficking representative for the United Nations. So that operation, because it was such a high-level takedown, ended up being one of the biggest things of his career, which was beautiful. Now, now he's super involved in that.

space. And so that's when my, when my wife went in that space. And that was before her movie came out, that movie about her being assassin and everything. So okay. Now she can't be you, you say, you said, mentioned that's in the other interview too where you're talking about how like the traffickers would have like a kid the same age as the ones they're trafficking. It always makes me think of that movie, Man on Fire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, with Denzel Washington. Yeah, where the guy is, he's got like multiple. He's got like kids. His kids are the same. age and he's trafficking these young girls. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I just think that they're so detached from what's happening that they're just psychopaths and it doesn't affect them at all. Well, and sadly, a lot of them end up trafficking their own kids later. That lady Cho in Haiti, she was trafficking her own daughter as part of all the other ones as well. Yeah. Well, I was going to say they're probably at some point in their lives were trafficked. So they just kind of think it's just part for the course of the way things are.

Yeah, absolutely. So what? The vice story. Oh, yeah. What's, I was going to say. What's the whole? I don't want to say the whole grabbing the, the vice story. Or you can just say, you know.

Yeah, what's up with the vice story? You grab it. Well, here's the thing. You know, after the Sound of Freedom movie came out, there was a lot of people that, you know, there were some girls. that came out with sexual allegations against the Homeland Security agent who Jim Cavisa loosely plays and stuff. So there was a lot of controversy around it. People were trying to poke holes and everything. And as part of that, one of the news agencies got a, I don't know if it's a

subpoena, the guess it's not a subpoena, whatever. They were able to access all of the records from within the foundation that we were working with at the time. And as one of those records was something that happened early on when I was doing doing undercover work, which was probably one of the most dangerous of all the missions. And on this record, there was a CIA, a former CIA agent who was 14 years working in Latin American CIA. And I had been in a really dangerous situation. And I called him up and I said, I said, how do I handle this? One of the traffickers was there. He was a super dangerous man. There was some guns and stuff involved. And they bring this girl. roll in front. So he wrote, and I'll tell you the story

in a second, but he wrote the details of all of it. So that one was written down, and he said, Paul, you're good. You're good. You've got authorization from the head of the federal police in Mexico. You're good. You didn't do anything illegal. Nothing wrong. This kind of thing happens. Swept under the rug.

Not a problem. Rescue 23 children in that operation plus some other adults, etc. And so it was totally good. Fast forward. Then the media picks up the story. announces that that producer of sound of sound of freedom touched breast of alleged underage victim on an undercover mission.

So you want to hear the rest of the story? Yeah, yeah. So I was going to say, like why, just to, why would they, why would they, you know, glob on to that? Well, just because are they just trying to discredit you? They were trying to discredit me. Or the movie? or what was the issue?

We had problems with big media and Hollywood from the beginning because they, you know, they wanted to absolutely discredit. The reality is it gave me more credit because now there's no doubt that I was undercover on these missions, you know? There was, I didn't make up these stories, you know, and so, yeah. Yeah, so they need to pick aside either none of this ever happened or this did happen and there was inappropriate behavior. Okay, well, which one is it?

Yeah. Exactly. Right. Exactly. And so here's the story. Okay. We're in Mexico. Really, really, really bad news. There was a guy, like six foot three.

Everybody cowered to him. We were talking to guys on the beach. We were talking to guys, and everybody was pointing to this guy. Yeah, this guy can get, yeah. They were showing me pictures of these kids. And we had gotten a phone call from the head of the federal police of Mexico saying, hey, this region is super dangerous. Right now, there's a lot of traffic.

He can go find out what's going on. So we did. We flew in and immediately people are offering us kids. Immediately, guys on the beach area, everybody, people are offering us kids. And so I'm, and they're all saying, you know, we can, I said, I want to get to your boss. I'll pay you money to get to your boss. I needed to work my way up, not just a low level guy. And all of them were pointing to this guy.

So we finally meet this guy and he's like, okay, okay. And we, multiple guys said, be careful with him. he's he's killed he'll kill you in a heartbeat if uh you know if you cross him in any way super dangerous and so we we meet with him and he says okay come here i says look i'll i'll pay you i'll pay you hundred dollars if you if you show me you know where you're kidding i was brand new at this i didn't i didn't know how to negotiate stuff but it was we're doing all right you know i think this was my eighth undercover mission ninth undercover mission by this time and he takes us down this dark alley and there's this strip club sign this old kind of

of run down strip club. Not one of the main street ones, those old ones. And I said, where are we going? Not one of the nice upper class trip clubs, the Mexican strip clubs. Tijuana strip clubs. There's some high class ones and there's some no class ones. So this is this was a rundown sign and everything. And the manager immediately when we walked up got super nervous because of the guy that we were with. So it was obvious. He was a dangerous man. He says, I says, where are we going? He says, right here. I just show you our stuff. I says, abuelas. That's grandma's, right? I said, I'm not going in there.

You're wasting my time. I don't go in there. You're going to make me pay $100 for a bunch of drinks and get some lap dances from some ugly hoes. I says, I'm not going to do it. I said, I said, my boss is having me come and identify some things that we can pull together for what he's looking for. I says, I'm not going up there. He says, okay, you just wait here then. It'll show you, right?

So he goes up into the area, the strip club area, and he comes back down, like 10 minutes later with the manager. and they've got these three girls with them. Now, I'm married to a 49-year-old Colombian girl who looks like she's 24, right? Latina girls look younger than they are. These girls look like they were 21. There's no way in hell they were minors, right? So there's a first part.

But he says, yeah, these are some young girls and stuff, and I'm like, well, you know, I don't know if that's really what my boss is looking for. He goes, well, let's just, just take a look for a minute. And I'm standing there next to this trafficker, and in front of me, the manager of the strip club pulls her shirt up, pulls her blouse up and exposes her breasts, right? The trafficker reaches down, grabs my hand, and lifts it up just like this, right in front of the, now, if I had backed away, we would have been shot right there. There's no doubt about it. So I just, you know, I grabbed her breast. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's nice, that's nice, you know.

and he says, okay, he says, there's, there's younger ones up there right now, but they're, because I, well, I says, these are, these are too old for me. He says, there's younger ones up there, but there was some clients right now. I says, okay, whatever, let's stay in touch and talk. So we leave, boom, I call the CIA guy who was with the foundation, I explained, he says, don't worry about it, bro. He says, even if she was a minor, you're freaking undercover. You're finding these kids. You're, you're with your other operators, nothing inappropriate is going on. You're totally fine, right? Well, the next morning, this trafficker calls me. So that was a test is what we found out later.

He calls me up and he goes, Pablo, Pablo, we have to meet. We have to meet. I says, okay, let's meet. We meet. He says, we need to drive somewhere. So he gets in the car with us. I says, we're going to go somewhere that we can find some real things that my boss is. Those were grandmas. You know those were grandmas. You go, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to take you. I'm going to take you to see the real boss. He says, he says, you know I'm the king, right? I said, you're the king? He goes, yeah, yeah, I'm the boss. I said, yeah, it's very obvious you're the boss.

He said, I'm going to take you to see my boss. He's in charge. He's in charge of everything from Tijuana and Mexicali, all the way down, all these things. He says, he's in charge of all of that. He says, his family's in charge of most of Mexico. I said, really, who's his family? He says, his uncle is El Chapo. I'm like, oh, shit.

Okay, we literally don't have the top cover there, but we're going to meet. And we pull into this, and we found out later that he was running the Sinaloa cartel for that entire region, but his uncle wasn't El Chapo. Right? He was just saying that, right? And so we pull in. I'm sorry, you know, it was funny, we just interviewed a guy the other day who was talking about how, like, was it one of El Chapo's wives, like 13 years old or he had a mistress. Yeah, he had a whole thing. It's like, you know, people are like wearing these shirts about El Chapo.

Like, these are not people you should be glorifying. These kids on the street have Al Chapo T-shirts. It's like El Chapo's had like a 13-year-old bride. He has these little young 12, 13, 14-year-old girlfriends. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, this isn't somebody you should be looking up to. Well, sadly, the TV series Narcos kind of glorified all of that. You know, we've had been in conversations with some of the guys that put that together

that we want to take the 70-plus missions that me and some of the operators did and take all of our stories and put them together into a TV series that's just as raw, but isn't glorifying the El Chapos of the world. Right? Oh, no, that was Pablo Escobar. There was Narcos, right? But either way, you know, these guys are, these guys are all in the same boat. Yeah, yeah, they're all, yeah. I was just going to say I remember reading an article one time about and this was about gosh it was

Afghanistan where they were talking about how they're like arranged marriages and stuff and they I remember the one guy that they interviewed it was an arranged marriage he was like 30 the girl was like 12 or 13 or something and she hid hid They have a photo of the two of them together. I think now she was probably 15 or 16. But he said for like the first two or three weeks that they were after they were married, like she hid from him. He would come home and she'd hide from him.

He's like, and he would go to sleep and she would hide and sleep like under the bed. Like he literally, she was just terrified of him. Wow. You know, and, um, but yeah,

it's, uh, it's, it's, it's so bizarre just these other parts of the world and, and, and that what's, what's normal to them.

I told you my old Selly, his father was 45, like 40, 45 years old. I told you this the last one, I think. His father was like 45 years old. His mother was like 13 years old when he was born. And so he didn't really know his dad because by the time he was older, his dad had died somewhere, someone got shot or died. I forget how he died or took off. I forget.

But regardless, yeah, but he was like, but that's Mexico. And, you know, it was very common. Like, sorry, but you were saying, go ahead. No, no. This is, yeah, it happens all the time. everywhere out there. Oh, you know what I'll say? I read the other day, which I thought about when we were talking,

was they were talking about slavery, and they said it, you know, how slavery exists in the United States. They said it exists, you know, people say that it doesn't exist. They said, but in fact, it does exist. It's, and they called it domestic slavery, where people will, and they gave the example, and it's funny because I've read an article about this. It sounds like I read a bunch of articles called me, but I don't. But I happen to read one about this because the name of the article was my family's slave.

And it was a young guy who was a writer. And he was a professional writer. And he grew up where both of his parents were doctors. They'd come over from, I don't even know where, you know, India or wherever it was. They'd come over. Was it India? Where they'd come over and they brought their like a domestic servant with them. And it was, listen, it was heart-wrenching.

But like she used to sleep on the clothes, the dirty clothes pile, like she's doing laundry and stuff. She would make a bed and sleep there, never really had her own bed. And he's like, and I grew up. She kind of raised me. And to him, I think she was his aunt or something. He knew she wasn't really related. They was like his aunt. But she lived in the house while they went to medical school.

And they were always promising her once. we get out of school and get jobs, we're going to get you your citizenship, well, your citizenship, that sort of thing. We're going to make you a citizen. So they eventually end up becoming doctors. They start a, then it's their internship. Then it's their start their medical practice. And it's so hard. And, you know, and every time she would broach the subject, they would scream and holler at her and belittle her. Like, you know how hard we work, you know, and she can't read or write or anything. She has no concept of, to her, they're super smart, successful people. And eventually he ends up going to school and she stays.

I think they end up getting a divorce. She stays with one of them. But when he starts working, like she's been here the whole time. And eventually her parents start getting, his parents get older. And at some point, for some reason, he takes her and he like brings her into his house. and kind of adopts her and takes her on as his responsibility. And it's a whole thing, bro, it's a whole thing where she's, you know, what do I do? Do I cook?

Do I, because he's like, you don't have to do any of that. What are you talking about? Like, you know, but at this point, his parents are getting to be the age of retirement. She's getting to be the age of retirement. But to them, they discarded them. And he explains like, this is our family's slave. Like, this is what she is to us. He's like, and I didn't really know it growing up.

up. You know, my other friends, once my parents started making money, I saw that my friends had, they had maids and live-in nannies and that sort of thing. He's like, but we had this person, which was his nana or aunt or something, which was not related at all. And then he eventually takes care of her. But so one, that article, and the other day I saw something, and it must have been like a, I think it was a TikTok or something, because I never read it anymore. So, It was a TikTok and it was talking about domestic slavery. And it was two people that had come over from Africa or something. And they, after they came over it and they were both doctors.

Oh, they were charged. That's right. They were charged recently. Both these people were charged. They were both doctors. They became doctors in the United States. They then brought over two people, two young girls with the promise of, and these girls are like in their teens or something.

bring them over saying they were going to sponsor them and help them become citizens immediately take their passports and keep them in the house as domestic slaves. And this went on for years and years. And then eventually somehow or another, they escaped or figured or got word out and the police come in and investigate and they arrest the parent or the mother and the husband and wife,

doctors, they arrest them and they were charged recently. And then they was talking about, how this is the form that slavery has taken in the United States. Like this is domestic slavery. But what's funny is it's foreigners that are doing it. You know what I'm saying? Because they know how vulnerable is that I have a rumor. One more thing and we'll get right back to yours.

I have a buddy, Donovan Davis. Donovan Davis's dad is, so he's Jamaican. He's actually Indian. So I don't know if you know this, but in Jamaica, they brought over. in Jamaica they brought over lots of Indians as slaves but they would work in the house because they have the good hair they're still black but they have the good hair so they would put them in the house so you have a large population in Jamaica of Jamaicans that are actually 100% Indian so that's Donovan Donovan's 100% Indian but he he'll talk that the way they

talk to the Jamaican. He could do both back and forth. What do they call it? There's a name for it. It's hilarious when he does it. But his father, when he came over here, he came over and was kind of sponsored by another Indian. And so the guy, they fell out the paperwork, they send it.

He's not allowed to work, by the way. When they come over, when you come over initially, you can't work. So I don't know what the United States government's thinking. Like, this guy's coming over here to become a citizen. You won't let him work? You won't let him work. Like, how do you think he's going to survive? Same thing.

Remember, um, remember, uh, Juan? Like, Juan wasn't allowed to work. Like, he's working. People are paying him cash. He's like, but like, I don't know how they think I'm surviving. They're like, well, you're not working, are you? No, I'm not working, but how do you think I'm fucking living here? Yeah.

You know, he's like, so you have to lie to them and find somebody that'll pay you cash. So that's what's happening with Donovan's, was happening with Donovan's father. So like two years. He's working as a mechanic in a mechanic shop owned by an Indian. Two years go by. One day he goes into the office to grab some paper and something, and he's looking for the paper or pencil or something to write something down, and he opens a drawer and looks down and sees an envelope with his name on it.

And he's like, it's Doug. It's under some stuff, but you know, you recognize your name immediately. Just happen to see a corner of it and opens it up and looks at it. What the fuck is this? Opens it up, realizes it's dated like a year and change earlier. Opens it up. He's a citizen. Oh, wow.

You've been a citizen for over a year. But this guy's paying him three or four dollars. He's so minimum wage at the time, let's say it's six bucks. He's paying him like three bucks cash or $2 cash when he's a mechanic and minimum wage is like six bucks. He's paying you three bucks. And for a mechanic, you should be making at that time $12, $15. Yeah. Why would I possibly let you know you're now a citizen? I mean, they're living in like the spare room in the garage. Donovan, his mom, and Donovan are sleeping. And he told me, if you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep, you're waking up sweating in the middle of the night or all of the above. That's where ghost bed can help. As the makers of the coolest beds in the world, ghost bed is your go-to for cooling mattresses, cooling pillows, and cooling bedding. From their signature, ghost ice fabric to patented technology that adjust to your body's temperature, every ghost bed

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slash Cox and use code Cox for 10% off sitewide. They used to go to KFC and get the three-piece meal. He said, my dad would get the, would get the breast. My mom would get the, whatever it was, and he would get the thing. That's what they would, that was one of their big spending meals was going to KFC and get the three-piece meal. Wow. He's like, this went on for forever. He's like, so his father, he said, just lost it on the guy, went in, screamed, hollered, but you know, how much can you really do at this point? Yeah. So, but yeah, like they'll, they'll, it's, it's horrific what people, what a lot of foreigners will do to their own people. Yeah.

I got one more example. Can I give one more example? Okay. My other example is, and listen, regular, your regular American people, we're pieces of garbage too. So I want to, we're equal. This is just my experience. And I think I've mentioned this before. I know I've told Jess a couple times because poor Jess, my wife, here's my stories over and over again.

It's so sad. Yeah. And she'll sit there and I can see it in her face now. I'll get to the point where I can start to see it in her face. And I go, have I told you this before? Yeah, this is about the third time. It's okay. It's a good story.

Tell me the story. This is when I was on the run. So I was on the run and I was building houses because fraud's not a full-time job. I have to do something, right? So I'm buying lots. I'm building new houses. And we've built a new house. And the roofers are Mexicans.

So one day I'm at my house and somebody knocks at the front door and I go and open and there's a couple of Mexican guys there. And I kind of recognize them, right? Like I've seen, I remember I've seen these guys like months or a week or two ago, three weeks ago, whatever. And I'm like, yeah, what's up? And they don't speak English. They put me on the phone. They're like, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

And then the person on the phone is like, okay, they're saying, asking when you're going to pay. And I go, when am I going to pay for what? For the roof, the roof. They put on the roof three weeks ago, you haven't paid. They want to know when they can get paid. and I'm like, oh no. And I went, no, I didn't hire them. They work for the guy that put on the roof who owns the company.

I paid, whatever's name is, Juan. I paid Juan. And they're like, no, no, no. Juan said you haven't paid him. That's why he can't pay them. And I went, oh, okay, I'm going to take care of this right now. So I'll stay on the phone and I call Juan, put him on speaker, and say, one, I paid you three weeks ago. I paid you whatever it was. And keep mind, the prices back then

are vastly different, right? Yeah. Let's say it was $4,500. So I paid you $4,500. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was about to put on another roof for me. So I've already paid you, right? Did I not pay him full? Yeah, you paid him full. And I said, okay, well, tell that to your two guys that are here that are telling me that you, I didn't pay you. And you, next thing you know, they're going nuts on each other. You got two phones and these guys going crazy and everything. He says, okay, oh, I'm misunderstanding. They're going to come right now and get paid.

Misunderstanding. I'm sorry. Okay. So then they go, okay, and they leave. Maybe two, three weeks later, I see these guys again. He's got them on the roof. He's got like a constantly got six or eight guys that are kind of, you know. And so I pull, so this time I'm supposed to pay him.

So they're wrapping up the roof. And I can tell they're wrapping up the roof. You know, they're done in an hour. So I'm pulling up and I'm supposed to pay them. And I pull up. And as I pull up, I beep the horn. I tell these guys come down, come down. And they come down the ladder.

Good for you. And I walk over and I said, yeah, watch this. And I pull out and I hand him, however many thousands, a couple thousand dollars. Or I write him a check, whatever I, whatever it was. I said, boom, like that. That's it. I paid you, right? Like, that's, that's it.

You're paid in full for that route. It's paid for. And I handed it. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's looking and looking. As soon as I took like, what a step, handed it to him, step back. Ah, they start screaming in each other. I don't think he ever paid him for the other roof.

But they're just livid. But, I mean, that's what happens. And I realized, too, you know, because I had another guy who was picked up trash. he was a garbage guy. It was funny too because he had a couple dumpsters. His name was Fat Mike. Fat Mike was pretty cool, to be honest with you. He was massive.

I don't think I've ever seen anybody as big as Fat Mike. But Fat Mike on Friday nights would come and he'd pick up a check, right? He'd pick up garbage and stuff. And he had almost a different outfit every Friday night when I would see him. And it wasn't every Friday night. Maybe months would go by before you'd see him. but you see him when he would come in. And I mean, he had, I don't want to, possibly the gaudiest, most horrific outfits I've ever seen.

And we're talking about like, it's all an American flag outfit with, you know, fuzzy thing on a. He had a hat. And he would, that mic was huge. That Mike had a wife and a Puerto Rican girlfriend that he had kids with. They were in two different houses. He had two trucks. I mean, he made an, a. I, it's, he made a ton of money.

He's keeping these chicks. And he had a different, sometimes it was a completely 100% baby blue outfit. Sometimes it was the American flag. Sometimes it was, you know, it was Louis Vuitton with big Louis Vuitton that you know damn well, that's not a Louis Vuitton. Okay. They didn't make that outfit. That's all fake stuff.

But everything would match. It was ridiculously gaudy. And I used to tell him, I'm going to start taking photos. I probably have, I think I did take photo. one or two photos. I was told him I'm going to do a whole book called the, the, the mini outfits of Fat Mike. And he was like, you should do it, man. So fat Mike one time, same thing happened. I had a guy that happened to live in one of my rooming houses that called me up and said, yo man, I don't have the rent. My boss hasn't paid me, but you could get him to

pay me. And I said, how? Who's your boss? He was, I work for Fat Mike. So what do you mean, I didn't pay you? He goes, you don't understand. This is what he does. Because he knows, we really can't go anywhere else. And these were just black guys, right? But he also knows that they're all getting some kind of subsidy. They're all getting some check from the government. So he pays him cash. But what he does is he constantly shorts him.

And he would short him and short him and short him and short him when he got so much. And they were $1,000 or so behind. And they really pushed to you have to pay. And he'd give him a little bit. He buys them lunch. He gives them a $500 or something. He gives them a $200. It's all I got.

Okay. well, you still, yeah, yeah, I got you next week. And the next week comes. He gets until they get like a thousand or two thousand dollars behind. Then they get pissed and they start screaming at him. You owe me $2,000. Then he just says, get out. I know you can't call the cops. Yeah, that's the problem right now. Yeah, you can't call the cops. You either wanted, you got warrants or who's going to, who are they going to believe? Me or you? You know, you've never gotten a check from me. There's nothing that says you even work for me. What are you going to do? File with the Better Business Bureau? File with like none of this applies to me. And he's a big guy.

So well and it's a big problem now with with people Knowing that they're going to get deported if anybody even finds out there Oh yeah yeah papers now that you can exploit that even further yeah yeah don't get me started boy if I was out there No um just joking uh so but yeah i i i it's it's amazing how these guys would do this to their own people you know well it's interesting people don't realize this but there were more black slave owners, then there were white slave owners globally back 150 years ago. I was going to say globally. Globally.

Globally. Yeah. It's all over the world. It's not just a white on white, black on black, white on black, white on black, whatever. It is going on forever. And it has to do with poverty and control. Everybody wants to come to America, even today, even back then. And so the indentured servants, they were indentured servants that exceeded, the number of slaves, quote unquote.

And they were still in slavery. You know, so it happens all the time. In fact, in Haiti today, today, there is, it is fully legal to purchase a child from a Restivik program. What this is is, it's called Restovic, Restovic program. It's something where if you're a super poor family, you can't afford to feed your kids. You take your kids to the Restovic program, where, where, where, they can make sure that they're fed.

But the rest of a program doesn't keep the kids. It's not like a special daycare, orphanage type thing. Yeah. What happens is the rest of it program is something where a wealthier family can come in and purchase that child as a domestic servant, where they will come and sweep the floors and do the laundry and exchange for three meals a day. So at least your child isn't starving to death. now they're working for supposedly a well-meaning wealthy family.

Well, in a well-meaning world, great. Now you have a child that's being taken care of, but he has to work for it. That's not typical. No, there were kids that were picked up by some of the drug lords in the area that were used for milling the drugs. There were ones that were using them for prostitution all over the place. They were exploited because of the poverty in the country. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say, like in Mexico, like in most of these, life is,

has very, very little meaning, you know? Yeah. I feel like we got way off topic. Oh, it was some good stuff, though. But that, that got me here. Well, because I was, remember the, I don't remember when I had heard this, where they would go and they would go into the towns in Mexico to dig the tunnels, and they would get guys and promise them a bunch of work, promise them work for it's,

it's two weeks worth of work. This is what it pays. And so they would take them out. and wherever they were going to dig these tunnels. And then they'd work them for three to six months. They can't leave. They're being guarded. They've got the guards that have guns.

Try and run. We'll just mow you down. And so they dig these tunnels. And when they're done with the tunnels, then they just take them out in the desert and just whack them. Because you can't let them go now. You know where there's a tunnel. Yeah.

You know, so, you know, these guys are thinking, oh, my gosh, I got two weeks worth of work. It's not what's going to happen, bro. That's not going to happen. Yeah. And nobody's looking for these guys Except every once in Mexico They'll find 20 guys that have just been machine gunned down

With AK-47s, you know And they're just find their bodies riddled with In a hole if they're lucky there's a hole If not, then they're just laying in the middle of the desert And the coyotes got them so Yeah But look Do you want to? I don't even know where we stopped, Brian

We got off on that You actually had said something about the guy Like the story that you're talking about Was something about El Chaco I know where we were Yeah, you want to introduce me to his boss. Right. Right.

So we pull up and this guy is man in charge. You know, he's got, he's got $2,000 shoes on. He's got, we saw multiple guys with guns on us. There's two or three, three or four guys that were, you know, behind a tree over there, behind a building over there that were watching us. And we're sitting there and we get out. And this guy's like, so I hear you looking for some kids. Right.

So you're boss. I said, yeah, I heard that you can. provide what he's looking for. He goes, how many you want? Well, the other trafficker had already told us that this guy had 30 plus kids right now. I says, well, my boss is coming down with some of his buddies in a few weeks, and if you have like 20 or 30, he'll pay you really well for that. He goes, I have that. He says, he said, how much you're going to pay for him? I said, we only need him a couple hours in the afternoon, you know, pay you a few hundred bucks, five hundred bucks each. And he's like, no, you're going to pay me more. And that's where, you know, he was his back and forth

energy. And then I told him, listen, just like I told your brother here, I need to verify you have him. He showed me some grandmas last night. I wasn't that impressed with. I said, he says that you have the real thing. So I'll pay you $100 for each one if you show them to me. You take me wherever they are. I'll pay you $100 for each one right now. He goes, nope. He says, you're going to pay me $2,000 right now. I said, why would I pay you $2,000 right now? I said, if you told me you're going to show up with my party, I'm not going to give you $2,000 grand right now, and hopefully you're going to show it.

How do I know that you can provide what you say you can provide? And he leans forward. He goes, you listen to me carefully. He says, you ask any mother effer in this city if I can provide what I say it can provide. He says, those guys on the beach, they all work for me. Those guys on the downtown, they all work for me. He said, the police, they all work for me.

You want to have a party in my city, in my country. You're going to go through me, and you're going to pay me $2,000 right now. I'm like, you know what? These guys said, you're the boss. I don't have it right now. Give me a couple hours. I'll get back with you. He says, okay, you meet me.

You meet me here. I said, okay, okay. So we make sure we're not being followed, go back to the safe house and whatnot. I had a bunch of cash with me. I take it every time. And I took three or $4,000 cash, put in my pocket, and we get back. Now, on the way back, his guy texts me three different times. Move location, move location, move location, move location.

So finally, when we get back to where he is, we're at a new location. And this time, my guys had identified at least eight people who had guns on us. We get out. He says, you have my money? I says, yeah, I got your money. Count it out. Jimmy was there. Joseph was there.

I had a couple of our guys who had done a bunch of undercover missions. And I do all the cash out to him. He goes, okay. He said, no, show me your business card. I'm like, okay. So I pull out my undercover wallet and I pull out, I had a Paul Stone. He was vetting me. You know, I had already been somewhat vetted the day before at the strip club, right?

So he's like, he's like, show me your business card. So I take it out. And I've got a real card. I've got Paul Stone on there. I have a fake address. a fake phone number, all of this stuff, email, website, everything. That all goes to a real website. It's a real profile for this undercover profile.

So he's looking at it and holding my card as he's looking at me. And we've got guys with guns. He said, holding my card, he says, tell me your phone number. Now, if I didn't have that fake phone number memorized like that, I'm pretty sure we had been shot right there. So boom, I rattle off that number. He said, okay, show me your phone. Okay, so I pull out my phone and I pointed at him.

As I'm showing him my phone, he dials the number that's on the card. Now, if I didn't have my Google voice and everything for that fake number ringing through to my phone, that would have been super dangerous. Sure enough, boom, his phone number rings on it. He smiles. He says, I like you. He said, from now on, we only communicate through Wicker. And he had me download this app called Wicker so we could be,

super private. He says, okay, come here. Let me show you something. He goes over and there's this black truck. It's lowered, gorgeous, big, beautiful rims on it, opens up the back doors of this truck, and there's these three kids back there. He goes, you like? I said, oh yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's not a wayless. That's what my, my, my, uh, my boss is looking for. Give him a few extra $100. And then we go back to the safe house. So we're, I type up a whole report, sent it to my, my contact with the federal police in Mexico and go to bed. The next morning we wake up. I had nine missed phone calls from the office of the federal police.

I called him back. I said, what? What's going on? He said, get out. He said, get out. He said, that guy is the guy. He said, we've been trying to get with him for three years. He said, within 48 hours, you had his phone number.

Because we were a bunch of white guys down there. You know, that's what it was. You know, he says, you have his phone number. He said, he said he doesn't work with the, with, with, you know, the guys he said, but he's running the cartel in the area. He's super dangerous. We don't have the top cover to protect you. He said that the local police probably do work for you there. We don't have enough guys there to work for him there. Work for the, yeah, the trafficker. Yeah. He says, so we've got it. We've got it. We've got to get yeah. So we jump on the next plane. We get out of there and I'm just texting back and forth over the next few weeks. We fly back in. This guy is. is by now they had 70 police officers from Mexico City that flew in to make sure that, and they didn't tell these police officers anything about this thing that was going on. They just didn't trust any local cops of what was going on. So they brought in these 70 police officers.

This guy brings 23 children. He also brought the girls from the strip club were verified later. I told that, I told the vice article and everything. I said, I says, I have an affidavit from the head of the federal police in Mexico saying that she was over 18 years old. So F you, right? It doesn't even matter. Even if she was a kid, we rescued all these other kids as part of this operation. So boom, he, and I told the federal agent, I said, listen, this guy is super dangerous.

I said, he has to think I'm going to jail forever, right? So when they, boom, they threw us down and they were handcuffing us. And the guy, and I turned my head, and I said to him, I says, I thought the police were, worked for you. I said, what? I thought you had this covered. He goes, these are feds. These are feds. And the agent who was on top of him had a taser and says, shut up. And he goes, I had to turn my head so he wouldn't see me laughing because watching him get tased. That was the best part of the whole mission. Right. So these guys end up going to jail. We rescued those kids. They took down. They had already got a judge's authorization to tap his phone by the morning that I woke up. So they already had

the connections with the rest of his network. as he was putting together the party, the operation, et cetera. So anyway, that was, there's the rest of the story on Vice. So, yeah, I did. I touched her breast. All right, that's good. So just so you guys know, it is 3 o'clock. It's 3?

Okay. So we have to wrap it up pretty quick so I can catch an airplane, tell them about Sound of Freedom, where they can get it and do that. Okay. I don't know what you're going to do with this. I went off on a table. We went all over the place. Good luck.

Yeah. Have fun about figuring out. So what's okay. So thank you for having me on your show. Yeah. Again. Sorry I told the same story twice. Oh, that's fine.

Hopefully I wasn't, you know. I feel like Colby's going to put Tony Robbins on the cover. I know. Tony will get so pissed. He's like, Paul. Come on. Yeah. He's got to be a good sport.

He's good. We need... Everybody knows he's seen these things going on. Here's a cool thing about Tony. Through... Because of that, because of him seeing that firsthand, he got super passionate about a fighting child trafficking. And through his network now,

over 70,000 victims are now back with their families because of the things that he has funded through his network. So, you know, I don't know if he's ever said what country that the operation was that he's. saw but that's the only thing everybody knows that he went and saw an operation because he's been super passionate i just don't know if he's ever told the whole story of what country well tony robin helps undercover agent bus epstein operation nice or you know i was thinking too was like tony robbins fired my buddy zack oh yeah yeah yeah my buddy zach uh uh his name is uh is

Isaac Allen. Did I ever tell you this? My butt, so Zach, we call him Zach, but his name's Isaac Allen. He's a black guy named Isaac Allen. He worked for Tony Robbins for, gosh, six months or a year or something like that. And then as he's working for him, he's also got somebody's stolen credit card,

which he's buying, and I forget the name of the shirts that he was, buying like he's like he's like you know they had like your initial on them and then and he's buying these shirts and having him deliver to his house and he's doing you know stupid stuff with this guy's credit card running it up and eventually the cops come they just arrest him now keep in mind too he's making like a hundred and something thousand dollars 150 thousand dollars working for tony robbins as like an event kind of coordinator where he flies in first like Tony robbins is fluent working for tony robbins one he he was trained at his he's got some place in Asia that he trains everybody, Fuji or something.

I don't know where he trains some of it. Some place. Is Fuji in? Fiji. Fiji. Sorry, is Fiji in Asia? I have no idea where. I don't even know it.

But wherever. Where Fiji is. Well, I don't even know if it's Fiji. But wherever Tony Robbins has like a little, he has like a compound. He flew him there, trained him in a group of people. And they would kind of go to like Japan. So my buddy, so Zach's been to Japan. Australia. He flies in there and helps coordinate the events where Tony comes in and talks.

And he's done it for like six months to a year. And he loves his job. This perfect job, but he's also committing fraud. He gets arrested one day. He's like, so I literally he's like, I got arrested and like I had a meeting that I had to hold. Like he's calling somebody to say, oh, he's sick. He can't be at the meeting. Trying to do all this stuff for like three days until he can get himself bonded out. So he gets himself bonded out. He's like, I get on it out in the next day, like I've got a meeting coming up, whatever. And he gets a phone call from Tony Robbins' assistant who says, hey, Tony needs to talk to you. He's like, okay. And he's like, and I knew like, oh, man, I think he, I think. But he doesn't think that Tony Robbins would

know that he's been arrested. He thinks it's just because he missed like two meetings. To say, hey, what's going on, buddy? And he said, and he had a whole excuse. So Tony Robbins picks up the phone and he said, and proceeded to tell me how amazing I was doing what a great guy was, how all of their clients had been thrilled with his presentations and his, you know, working with them and just goes on and on about how great of a job he's doing. So I said, I'm just feeling pretty good. He's like, and he said, and I know you're going to go on to do great things. Unfortunately, it won't be with this company.

And he said, so he then proceeds to, he fires me. He said, but I swear mad, he said, when I hung up the phone after being like, oh, he said, I mean, I knew I was going to be, I was going to do great. He's like, it was the best firing. He said, I never felt so good in my life after talking to him for 20 minutes about his and being let go. He said, yeah. So he got fired by Tony Robbins.

He said, in the best firing I have ever had in my entire life. It was amazing. It felt great. Tony's the master. He's the master at just, you know, helping you. step into the best version. Like I say, you know, when I just stepped on that, that jet after, you know, that whole thing and his huge hands, he starts clapping. I was like, you know what? I had grown up listening to that, you know, his self-medalination stuff. So that was super

beautiful for me to be able to have that, that acknowledgement. But yeah, he's, he's gone on to create some amazing good in this space. You know, he was a, he went on and was a executive producer in a new movie, the city of dreams that talks about exactly what you were saying earlier, about this domestic slavery here in the United States that you're bringing these people in who have these dreams to be here in the U.S., and then all of a sudden they're in this horrific situation. So, yeah, together, all of us as influencers is what's going to make the biggest difference. Here's the sad thing.

People ask all the time, well, why did it take you so long to get your movie out? You know, what was the deal with that? Well, if you think that Epstein really himself, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, right? No. If a lot of this stuff on a high level is used as blackmail manipulation. So yes, we were taken down rings throughout Latin America and whatnot, but the high level stuff. Epstein, Epstein did not run everything on his own. If you wanted to have, if you wanted to have, if you were. were an agency, I won't say which, but let's say that you were an agency and you wanted full control of the votes of a senator, of a congressman, of a federal judge, you want there to control their votes forever? You get them on film at an Epstein Island with a 12-year-old. You get them on film with any of those things. You control them forever, forever, right? I was going to say, most other things, like let's say a honey pop, most other things are forgivable. Like people will, like your wife

may or may not forgive you for having an affair if there are photos out there or a video. There are some things that are just, you know, you're making a racist comment. You, there's tons of things that people will be like, ah, you know, you could apologize and, and people will get over. They ain't getting over that. No, not at all. There is a, there's a book I read years and years ago called the CIA's Book of Dirty Tricks. And in there had had these very things. You get them on film with stuff like this. You make this kind of a thing happen. And then you control them with the unforgivable. And it happens all the time, all the time. And it's planned very specifically. Our monetary system, the, the, the, the, our media, all of it is controlled.

And even when our movie came out and everybody wanted to see it, because we, we took it to the people by the people, right? We have my money and other high wealth investors that put it together. And then even when it came out, we had a grassroots movement with good people that were all part of social media that were pushing it out. It was, if you weren't on a somewhat conservative social media platform, you didn't even hear of Sound of Freedom. It was the number one independent film on the planet. And you didn't even hear it because it wasn't mentioned at the Oscars. It wasn't mentioned on any of the big media channels, nothing. Nothing. I mean, we beat, we beat out Indiana Jones and Mission Impossible.

We beat those out out of the gate and crickets. Nobody even talked about it. The only way you heard it was by good people saying, you need to go see this movie. So now, go get my book, guys. This is The Sound of Freedom. If you don't remember the name of the book, just think about the movie. The movie's Sound of Fred. This is the Sound of Freedom. They're probably going to sue me over that, but bring it. My attorney said we're good. So there's like 100 books called the sound. Yeah, I was going to say you can't patent that name.

You can't patent a name. Yeah, yeah. I had to make sure that the lettering was a little bit different. I was going to say, you can patent. Like, you could call it. You could come out with the book right now called Star Wars, right? But you can't use the, the same font and colors. Because that can be patented.

Yeah. So we had a whole bunch of stuff around that. And this is the child liberation series. So this has got a lot of stuff that parents can use to keep their kids safe. A lot of stuff on situational awareness and reading a room and knowing the signs to look forward in your kids, et cetera. Goes through some of the rescue missions on the one on the island in Columbia, stuff in Haiti and a bunch of others, et cetera, takes the audience through an emotional journey

that I did of personal growth transformation to say, okay, together we can fight this evil. There's a beautiful light at the end of the tunnel. Yes, the book is dark, but there's light right here. She's run into the light, not into the darkness. Dark cover. I was thinking, you know, I was thinking about Stockholm syndrome, right? And because, you know, my wife and I talk about some weird shit, by the way. So we were talking about, um, in Nazi Germany, right? How, and I was saying that, uh, that it's funny when people think about Nazi, Germany and they think, oh, I would never do that. Like, that would never be me.

They always see themselves as being in like the French underground fighting this. But the truth is, you'd have probably been rounding up Jews just like everybody else because the squads that were put together those were, they weren't like career soldiers. They were bookkeepers and shopkeepers. And they were regular. Mind control. They were regular everyday people that would be put in these squad. It's trained for a few weeks, and then they'd go door to knocking.

You think, I would never do that. You would because you're engrossed in this society and you're brainwashed. And it's kind of a Stockholm syndrome thing. And in the same way, I was thinking, it's always like people think, oh, well, if I was ever captured or my daughter was ever captured, like she would fight constantly, she would get away. Would she? Remember Elizabeth Smart? This guy grabs her out of her room. I forget how old she was, 11 or 12.

He grabs her. He keeps her with him and his wife. And six months later or a year later, or maybe it was two years later, let's say a couple years later, the police one day, for some reason, they question, they're homeless. They question the guy, the kidnapper and his wife. They see them together. And for some reason, they're trespassing or something. And they're like, hey, you're not supposed to be there.

And they're having a conversation and they run his ID and they're talking to him. And one of the police officers keeps looking at Elizabeth Smart. Oh, this is my daughter? And they go, is your father? And she's like, yeah, it's my father. Okay. And so they keep talking about the police officers like, I'm telling you right now. Like that, that's that girl that's missing.

I recognize her. So they pull her apart away from them. She still denies it. She denies. She's like, that is my father. What are you? My name. He has a complete.

different name, birth date, everything, swears up and down. That's my father. What are you talking about? And they're going, this is you. That's you. And she's going, that's not me. What do you? I mean, argues, complaints.

It's not until they get her downtown away from this guy, surrounded by police officers. That she, and it still wasn't immediately. It still took time for her to finally go, okay. And she starts crying. Oh my gosh, I'm Elizabeth smart. because she was, it's just, you know what's crazy?

It wasn't even the two years, two weeks. So she was kidnapped in my neighborhood. Okay. She was kidnapped in Utah. That's where I grew up. Okay. Right.

And so here's what, wasn't two years? No, two years when that situation, you're exactly right. But her Stockholm syndrome kicked in immediately. So what was interesting?

There was a guy that was watching some of the videos of some of our undercover work. And this guy, this guy said, are you really rescuing those kids? those 13, 14-year-olds, they looked super happy to be at that party. And Elizabeth Smart was in the room.

And she turned to him. She's usually a little marshmallow. She turned to him and turned into a monster. She says, do you realize this? She said, I was raped. The first day I was kidnapped, I was five times. She says, then the next day, they took all my clothes and tied me up just so that they would make me so that I wouldn't put up a fight anymore. And then every single day thereafter, I was raped a minimum of two times a day. She said, less than two weeks after I was kidnapped, less than two weeks, we were at a party and I was happy to be there, quote unquote. She said, I was scared for my life. I was scared for my parents. I was scared. She said, and I was in survival mode. This is what happens with these kids.

She says, don't you tell me for a second that once we get those 12, 13, 14, 14 year old kids that were at that party with Paul, once we get them away from that, that they're not going to come back to recognizing who they are. and live a normal life. And so, yes, it's scary how easy it is to manipulate those kids, what these, what these traffickers do. Right. So anyway, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you for having me on again. I feel bad that I said the same story twice, but at least we should some other good things. We got a little good stuff. We got some other. So I'm excited to read all of the comments on this one. They're calling me a

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