Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Exposing The Truth About Fights In Prison

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

Exposing The Truth About Fights In Prison

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So all the thing I hear is we're going to war with the deal. DC card. So I get in the cell and he's like, all of us ain't going to make it. He goes, and some things are worth spending the rest of your life, are giving your life. But one thing ain't going to happen, man. These people ain't going to just do us any kind of way. So y'all get ready Friday morning. They're going to meet them on the rec yard. We got a day and a half, call your people, let them know because this is been to go down. So I said, hey, I have a question. Right? So I ever, uh, Yeah, what's up, man? I said, why are we going to war?

I said, what happened? I go, ain't nobody ever told me what happened. Why are we going to war? Iceman put his head down. Because one of them dudes. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and we're doing a, Zach and I are going to do a podcast about,

I want to say funny prison stories, They're just, really just prison stories. I mean, that's definitely not the life, but it's a different life. Yeah. And we feel it's worth exposing. Well, you know, things that happen that we thought were hilarious. You don't really like watch YouTube, but there's a lot of guys that have YouTube channels. And all these guys that, you know, not all these guys, but I've got to get a lot of guys that are like, you got to tell prison stories.

You got to, okay, listen, I don't have the prison stories that guys like Wes Watson have. Like, there's a guy named Wes Watson who's like, you know, and I told that motherfucker, I told him you're going to go out there and put in some work. So I suitcase that shank. And I, you know, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, we were at war and I went into the wreckyard and I stabbed that. And it's like, what do you brought up? I'm a white collar criminal.

I'm not stabbing anybody. What are you doing? You know, I don't have those stories. Like these other guys have channels that are completely predicated on these horrible, vicious stories. And a lot of those stories, by the way, don't even happen to those guys. No. Like they'll tell you,

so there was this guy one time in the pen and his name was Bobby. Well, Bobby, and then they'll tell you a story about, it wasn't even him. It was Bobby's story. And he may not even have known Bobby. He just, you told him about Bobby.

Right. Because nobody can go through the amount of violence and riots and stabbings and all the things that these guys are covering in their content in a span, anybody's span of, of prison. And if you notice these guys, a lot of guys think that you and Bobby were buddies.

No, I didn't even know Bobby. Right. Or I knew Bobby one time, and he told me about a fight he got into it, another prison. And now I'm telling that story on YouTube. As if it's your own. Right. And I don't want to do that. Like, I don't want to tell somebody else's story that, you know, a third party story.

Because every time the stories always continue to get diluted. Some of them are urban legends and, you know, the riot of 2008 and, you know, like all. All the things that, were you there for this? And, you know, it's all ginned up. And, like, both of us started off at the medium. Right. And so the people would come there and tell us, oh, man, if this was a pen, this was a penitentiary, these kind of things wouldn't go on, you know?

Yeah. And all that's not the case. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but you know different because you went to a pen eventually. That's exactly right. So we both entered, we both entered prison on bank fraud charges at the medium. At the medium, yes. Ellie, I was a good in me, and I got to go down.

Zach went up. Which everyone thought it was quite a feat. I know. Everyone thought it was quite a feat. When I got to the pin, people go, you started off at the medium? Yes. Kind of went in the wrong direction, buddy. So when did you get, when did you actually get to Coleman?

I think I arrived at Coleman in April of 2000. and like that was my first that was my first time in prison I had been in county most time all the time I did was in county jail so that was my first bout with prison and then to enter there with like 16 years was insane so once I got there I just kind of told myself well what I'll do is like I'll click up with people who have similar crimes right you know because I hear a medium prison it's not super violent there's a little violent but you can avoid it, which was kind of accurate. So it was my goal to meet up with people with,

because I'm like, this is the feds. So I'm not dealing with some crackhead on the corner to the cop pick. Yeah, these aren't guys that are breaking into people's houses and stealing purses. These are supposed, well, it's supposed to be people who organized and put criminal organizations together or had their own business. And we're doing different things that might be on the level upon which I would, I was accused of doing, accused of doing, right? So I'm thinking this is going to be a graduation.

And unfortunately, it didn't. There's still a lot of crackheads. There's still a lot of guys. Yes, yes. It's still a lot of idiots. So when I'm at Coleman two months, and of course, like your arrest was televised. I'm sure you've covered that. And when you got to Coleman, it became a big deal.

Like every, because everyone knew me as a, is, as the frauder. Right. Oh, you know. And there's not a lot of fraud guys in mediums. Right. Go ahead. It's not. Sorry.

So they're like, hey, hey, Matt Cox is here. I'm like, what? They said Matt Cox. I knew of you because of articles that they ran in the Tampa paper. Right. When they were looking for you. Right. And I'm like, oh, now this dude.

I remember saying to myself, this dude knows what he's. doing. Like, I actually idolize you. I'm like, this man knows what he's doing. Didn't you tell me you actually told your wife? I told my wife, I go, I would love to meet this dude, but the only place I'd meet this guy is federal prison. And guess what?

A couple years later. Bam. Wow. Fate just brought it together. So my point is, I hear you're on the compound, and I'm like, where is he? and so a buddy of mine I guess his name was Sheldon we were trying to remember

I know it was Sheldon I'm telling I think it was definitely his name was Sheldon he had a mullet He had a mullet He was a complete weird gun Like mullets are coming back now No

They weren't they weren't then Like they were In 2008 they weren't coming back No no In fact the rumor of them Coming back was kind of put the rest So he told me He could arrange an introduction

I said, get out of here. I said, please, please introduce me to the infamous Matt Cox. Now, of course, you've been on the compound a couple of weeks, you know, and I don't know what's going on in your world. Like, what was going on in the first couple of weeks you got there? Yeah, so I got there and essentially I'm a soft white guy and I get to... Marshmilla, I think is what you called you. Yeah, I get to, you know, the medium.

Spongy, I think. I get to the medium and like literally within the first. first or second day, I've got guys come after me going, hey, can I talk to you for a second? What kind of guys? Black guys. Big black guys. Of course. Like, your worst nightmare.

Only, you know, only like a little white guy's worst nightmare is to like get a celly who's like six foot two black guy that that is like aggressive. But these guys weren't aggressive, you know. They were kind of romantic. They were trying. They were like, I can light some candles, put on some soft music. Why don't you come to my place around seven? What's going on?

The mobbing gay. So highlight on gay. So these guys, this guy comes up to me, he's like, can I talk to you for a second? I'm like, yeah, what's up? And he goes, let me talk to you over here. And I walk over and I'm like, what's up? Let me talk to you over here alone. And I went, oh, bro, what's up?

Like now I know something's wrong. You want to try to get me into the corner? Staying where the camera can see me. So I'm like, what's up? And he goes, oh. oh you need anything like what and he's like oh you need anything like you need a tennis shoes what size you i'm gonna get you some tennis shoes no i'm gonna go with tennis shoes you ain't got no tennis shoes you got tennis shoes what's up like i threw a little

probably not a good question listen i'm i threw some bass in my voice i'm like yo what's up man what's up what's up what's i'm standing up straight pull the shoulder back like he's still six two you know So they're like, oh, I get you, whatever you need, I get you, whatever you need, bro, I get you. I take care of you. I can't, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's awfully friendly of you. Why, what, what, you know, to what do I deserve this, this friendship? I'm just saying, you know, I'm looking for me a friend. And I went, that seems like a friendly place.

I'm sure you'll find a friend. Like, now I'm realizing the way you're talking to me is uncomfortable. And so, and he's like, I'm just saying, you know, you are, you are. And he started like in prison, you know, gay, guys are punks. He's like, you, you, you, I'm saying you, you're a punk. I mean, you gay, right? And I went, no, no, absolutely not. Because look, on the masculine scale, like, I'm not a 10, you know, I'm like a 5 on the masculine scale. But in prison, I'm a 2 because the scale skewed. It is skewed. And it's skewed by the way you talk, because I had the same accusation. Right. Right. But it's just the intelligence.

equals, I guess, weakness or gayness in a prison setting. Right. I'm still saying please and thank you. What a mistake that was. I'm still acting like a civilized person. These guys are just ridiculous. It's a shock. The change in culture is shocking.

Right. You're like shocked. And it takes years, but it does it slowly changes you. So this guy, I'm like, yeah, yeah, bro. I'm good. I don't need nothing. No, not gay. Pass it around.

We're good. No, I'm just saying, man, and I just walked off. Look, the next day, I'm walking on the compound, some big black guy, no offense. You know, I'm not saying, I'm not making a, I'm not making an accusation. Another big black guy comes to me and says, hey, talk to you for a second. I'm like, I'm walking to the rec yard. Well, yeah, what's up? I walk in the kitchen, man.

I'm just saying, if you need anything, let me know. I went, okay, okay. I'm saying, you don't need anything like I get you anything. Like, bro, you need some shoes I take him. like shoes in the kitchen what he's like i'm saying someone they want you barefoot yeah i got you i got you know he's like i'm mad i get good money i make good money like i get money sitting it's like you need anything man you know what i'm saying you need them no bro i don't need nothing i'm good i'm good you just give me a list let me know like what do you give you i'm good

thank you no keep walking another guy man let me talk to you uh uh let me talk to you myself for a minute. And I remember this one. You remember the guy, Bear? I remember Bear. There's Bear is hangs out. Bear had a bathrobe, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. So Bear also had a bunch of buddies that he hung out with. And there were a couple guys standing by his door and another couple of his buddies standing over here. And I'm, and Bear says, can I talk to you? And I walk out to the rail. This is on this top tier. I walk over the rail. And Bear goes, let me talk to you in my cell for a second and I glint and I'm like well why what's up well let me talk to you in myself for a second and I look and I can see a couple of his buddies off to the side and I can see a couple other buddies to a side and I remember I grabbed onto the

rail and I went no I'm good here bro because I remember thinking he could right now they could try and rush me and pull me in the cell like in the cell there ain't no fucking camera like there's no camera pointing into the cell so and I remember I said no he looked at me he He goes, he goes, man, let me just. I said, no, I'm good here. He's like, man, let me just talk to you in myself for a second. I looked at him. I said, no, bro.

He was, what, will you think I'm going to try something? I said, if I don't go in your cell, I don't have to find out. What is it you need, bro? And he went. A lot of base then. Oh, I'm ready to jump over the fucking. I'm ready to jump over off the top tier. I'm so concerned at this point.

I'm just saying, man, you know, I got whatever you need, bro. I got marijuana. I got whatever you need, man. I can get you. like I got you need some tennis shoes I see you walking around in the boots all the time man let me give me some tennis shoes I said no bro we're done we're done I said no offense leave me alone not interested not going to your cell don't need anything from you I'm good I appreciate it I didn't even walk away right away because I didn't want to let go of the rail I waited till

he kind of turned a little bit to look over at his buddies and I turned around grab with the other hand and kind of walked along holding the rail because I'm that concerned. Scared like. Oh, yeah, yeah. Very, very, very, remember how the showers were right in the middle of the, like, you take a shower? Guys could actually go up on the top rail and look down on you taking a shower. I never even knew that.

Yeah. You know, remember how they were, but I didn't know people could look. Oh, yeah. And I remember seeing you could look up at the top rail. Yeah, but they can go up there and look down on you. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, it was, you know, the whole set. up ain't good but keep in mind you really there were places you could be alone like you could there's no

cameras but very few um anyway yeah i'm definitely staying in in front of the cameras the first few days first couple weeks i didn't even go in my cell unless they were locking the door they were locking the door because i didn't know what was going to happen like it's a bad situation then i'm in the rec yard one day and you come up to me well at that point like i said I heard you were on the compound, so I'm like, this is the opportunity, and then they pointed him out, like, there's Matt Cox. Sheldon, I'm like, whoa. So then I'm walking up, smiling.

I'm like, hey, Matt Cox, come here. Let me holl at you for a second real quick. I go, hey, I heard you and I got a lot in common, and you just got to went, oh, Jesus, and walked off. Well, stormed off quickly. Yeah, then Sheldon. Y'all ever give up. Sheldon comes up to me.

Yeah, I remember thinking, is this, is this what the next 26 years is going to be like? I mean, these guys can't take a hint. All of them. Even the soft one like you. But anyway, go ahead.

And then I remember the next day, yeah, Sheldon came. It was like the next day or day after. Sheldon came up and said, look, I got a buddy of mine wants to talk to you. And I want to make an introduction. I go, why?

Because now I'm so suspect of everybody. Black guys, white, Hispanic. Like, I'm not here to make friends. I don't want to talk to anybody. I don't trust anybody. And so Sheldon's like, I got a buddy that wants to talk to you. And, you know, I would like to make an introduction.

And I went, why? He's like, well, I mean, he tried to talk to you the other day. And he said he walked up and tried to say, hey to you. And you just walked off. Like, he thinks maybe, like, maybe you're prejudiced or something or something. I don't know. And I looked at him. I went, was this a black guy?

He's like, yeah, yeah. And I go, what does he want to talk to me for? And he goes, he's here for fraud. I went fraud and he goes yeah and I go where is he why didn't he start with fraud like and then I tracked you down we started talking and hang out I know and did never we never got along after that but I remember that's the thing about the Sheldon crack was a Sheldon was a hundred and probably 145 pound five foot eight or nine hundred and forty five pound had a mullet white guy with the spike top ridiculous with the spike top had I mean just look just short straight white trash and and just a complete like nerd a white trash nerd gun gun advocate yeah gun nerd he's moving to Alaska so he can have a gun to hunt like I'm always going to have a good yeah no matter what yeah and and I remember one time I mean just a complete geek um and I remember one time I was there and uh Reese was there this guy we know and so Reese was there and Sheldon goes

he's talking about something somehow or another Sheldon ended up saying, you see these? These are lethal weapons. And Reese goes, those are dick beers. Which are also lethal. Don't,

don't, don't overestimate yourself, Shelton. Yeah, but Sheldon would. Meaning he had fast hands. Sheldon, and real quick, like I told you earlier,

you didn't know this, but Sheldon actually, when he got out, he had another buddy that was incarcerated. That buddy was like, go to my, here's the address where my wife lives. So when you get out of the halfway house, like you can go to her.

She'll help you find you a place to stay, help get your car, the whole thing. Sheldon goes there, talks to the guy's wife. She lets him stay on the couch for a few weeks. And then so the guy's calling home and like Sheldon's there. Like, hey, yeah, I'm here. I'm getting a job. I'm this.

She's helping me out. I appreciate, appreciate it. After a few weeks, the wife stops answering the phone. The guy keeps calling, calling and calling. after like another few weeks finally the wife opens or I'm sorry finally the wife answers the phone

and says don't call anymore I'm with Sheldon now and hangs up the phone on him I mean listen out of anybody that I wouldn't want my wife to leave me for it's Sheldon it's that it's first leaving me

at all it's bad enough if you have to lie well of course it was a great looking guy of course he was a doctor well you know what I'm incarcerated he's a doctor I guess get it. But Sheldon?

Yeah. They're like, no, actually, this is the guy. Embarrassing. It's embarrassing. Don't tell anybody that. Please, no. No. Not at all.

So, unfortunately for me, I got into the middle of some controversy at the, at the Coleman medium. Right. Right. But you, you stayed on the right path and went to the low. Yes. Yeah. Good times.

Unfortunately for me, I'm, I'm. I take another road, which involves taxes or something. Yeah. Well, they say, yeah, they, they, a bunch of guys got grabbed. Yes. And some of them said that you were helping or organizing guys to file for the drop for false income taxes, which is a combination of identity theft and, of course, fraud against the United States government, which you didn't do.

Right. But these guys said that you were involved in it. Here's the reason, not only because I believe. Zach, but also the time frame that I know this happened, literally Zach had gone to court fighting his sentence, went to court, was gone for like, I always say you were gone for like eight months or a year or something, how long, 10 months? So gone for 10 months. I actually moved to the medium. He showed up. I went to the low from the medium. You showed up like a month later, right? Like two weeks later. Oh, two weeks later. So we missed each other. Yeah, because you

wrote my sister. Right, right. And I remember, too, she wasn't, she wouldn't pass letters anymore. That was like, that was like one letter. She was like, look, you wrote me a letter back. You were like, look, I had to beg my sister to pass the letter along. She's not going to, she's not going to do this. Right. Consistently. Right. So it was only a few weeks later when you got grabbed. Like there's no way for you to have organized what they said you were doing within a few weeks. Like I got back to the medium and boom, a month later, I'm collecting taxes. I'm doing this. It's not possible. Right. But they clearly put that on me. Anyway, it was all botched. Right. The whole thing was. But it went on your jacket. It went on my jacket. Well, because they

couldn't get criminal charges. Right. Like, because I talk about it with a couple people I still stay in touch with, they decided to just dirty up my jacket and send me to the pen. Right. Matter of fact, when they sent me to the pen on. On the day that we were packing out, I'm asking, where am I going? And they told me you're going somewhere where you won't ever think about filing taxes again. That's exactly what they told me. I'm like, yeah, good times. Hopefully it's home.

I don't know. So you went to the Pimp, you went to what? USP Beaumont. Right, which if in your guys in the prison system actually call it Bloody Beaumont. Bloody Beaumont. Yeah. And, um, yes. So fear level up up to here.

I'm terror. Needless to say, I'm terrified. Like the, like, I'm hoping it takes me six months to get there so I can like get my mind adapted. Right. Right. I spent a week in Tallahassee. Right. And the morning, I left Tallahassee that morning, hoping that I'd be in Oklahoma maybe a couple of weeks. Right. And I arrived at Beaumont that night. Fastest transfer ever. Matter of fact, I probably would arrive at Beaumont the same day I left. That's how fast it. Yeah, put it in there. You know, so one, one, one, one, one, Once I get there, I'm terrified, so I'd say I got to put bass in my voice, I got to sound tough.

I'd already figure out my plan of sounding tough so I can make it in the pen. Now, some of the people I would wit for us soft people who are at the medium, they were telling me, just get there and check in, just get there and check in, meaning just go into the whole protective custody as soon as you get there. For what? The next 10 years? Yeah, that's what I'm saying to myself. I'm like, well, I'm not a coward, you know what I'm saying?

I didn't really cooperate. My paperwork straight. I didn't really cooperate. So, I mean, I don't understand why I would have to check in. Why couldn't I just walk? Right. But logically told me that I'm kind of smart, so I'll act like I know the law. I'll make myself invaluable to the people.

Right. And that way, they'll make it. Hey, hey, hey, don't hit him. He's the law man. Yeah, yeah. He can help me get out. Don't mess with this one. That's what Pete did.

My buddy Pete, he said, you very quickly have to figure out if you're not in a gang and you don't want to be in a gang and you don't want to do this, you have to figure out what you have to figure out. What makes me valuable so nobody bothers me? Exactly. So that was my plan. So I acted like I knew the law, which horrible mistake because then I have to listen to a bunch of people. There's some upticks.

I can walk the compound. Then I have to listen to a bunch of idiots. But it worked out. So that was my claim to fame of surviving at the pit. But you really don't know. Well, you do know some. You did a lot of your own legal work in the medium. So you know some of the basics.

Listen, I learned that day one from bearing. Barrington, Barrington did my $255,000 for like $300. Barrington. Right, yes. And I learned from him. So it's kind of like on the fly. So what I picked up and learned, because honestly, the first day I went for law, I, like, looked in the computer and I'm like, can somebody tell me how this applies

to my case? Yeah, that's bad. Literally, that's how little I knew about it. and to two years later telling everyone I'm a legal genius and pulling it off. So obviously at the PIN, I got into a couple of confrontations. Right. And that's kind of like what we were discussed today. So it wasn't smooth sailing.

No, it wasn't smooth. It's not as bad as the stories that they make it out to be. Right. You know, but it's bad because I would say I witnessed, I myself witnessed about three murders where I heard the person died. where I've seen the person attacked and laying there. Right. And then I heard they died.

And the whole time, I was there for six years. And the whole time I was there, I think, 18 people died. So I've seen three. But look, I was there doing two hurricanes where there was no water. That was the worst six years of my life. That was the worst six years of my life. Now, including your marriage? Including what?

Your marriage? Well, that was pretty well, that ended up. I always say that my marriage. In the beginning, it was awesome. My marriage prepared me for prison. So it's like, you know. What was it like for you when you left? What?

At the low? Yes. I mean, it was, going from the medium to the low was like going from, you know, sleeping on a park bench to going to like a five star to go into like the Ritz Carlton. What are you talking about? I was like. It was a cleaner or something? No, no.

Actually, it was, it actually, there were, you know, how, you know what was worse? It was worse because it was an open bay pod that sucked. Like at least you had a, at least in the medium you had a room. You know, you close the door. It was quiet. It is never quiet. Like, you know, when you talk to people, they're always like, prison must be so lonely. I wish.

I wish it was lonely. It's always loud. There's always screaming. You're never alone. There's no privacy. I mean, like you're using, basically it's like, you're the bathrooms it's it's 180 guys per unit trying to use five toilets and maybe eight showers and there's always lines and so even if you're you're going the bathroom like

you know you're you're taking a shit there's a guy on a divider it's not like if it's even its own thing there's a it's like going to the movie theater that's where you're going the bathroom you know there's always a guy next to you there's always um it's just disgusting and And it is. It's disgusting and it's filthy and everybody's screaming and hollering and the cells are horrible and the whole situation is bad, but there were a lot more smart guys there. Does that make sense? Yes, that's important because who you, you're probably the best person I affiliated with

in the medium. Yes, because like I could relate and have a conversation. Everybody else was, I mean, but you helped me when we were teaching. GED. I mean, you remember when the guy that's like, hey, I don't know how to add and subtract. And remember we asked him like you don't know how to add and subtract. How do you

make, I mean, what about change when you're getting changed? Oh, I let my bitch count it. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was like, well, you go, what if what if she counts it wrong? I put that pipe on and she count that shit right. No, I'm saying. We and Matt look like, well, that pipe will

straighten them out. Yeah, that's, that will straighten the bitch. Do you remember the guy? When I first, when I first got there, when I was doing the GED, and I was trying to teach the guy how to do, like, like, just basic, just fractions, like basic math. And we were, like, it's like an hour in, and he just could not get it. Like, he'd been in a car accident.

He had a scar. He was a Spanish guy. And so he just couldn't get it. And I went, and he's like, I was like, you're just not grasping this. And he's like, I know, man, I got, you know, I was hitting. and in the car accident. And he's going through this whole thing. I said, yeah, honestly, bro, he's,

what should I, what do you think I should do? And I went, I think you should go to the back to the unit. And I said, because, I mean, some people just, they're just not going to be able to get certain things. And so I was kind of explaining it. And it's not, you know, it's not, you know, it's not, you know, just some people just don't grasp everything. And, you know, it's, you're not going to get your GED, obviously,

and that's not going to happen. And, you know, they were in the skills class anyway, where they weren't going to get it. So I remember he was like, I should, so you think I should go back? And I was like, yeah, I was like, Zach, I was like, this guy is just going to have to go back. And I tried to explain to you and you went, no, no, he has to stay here. Like, you don't get to excuse them. What are you doing?

And I'm like, no, no, he's not going to get it. He's like, it doesn't matter that he's not going to get it. He doesn't get to go back to the unit. He has to stay here. Keep trying. I'm like, no, he's never going to get it. Zach, he's like, none of them are going to get it. Well, some of them, some of them did, but, you know, some of them just didn't care.

I like the guys that were honest And we're just saying Listen bro I don't need this Because I'm gonna get out in about a year And I'm just gonna sell drugs Like it was like at least he's honest Like at least he's he's like I don't want to learn this

Because I'm just gonna go back to selling drugs This is my life I get out I sell drugs I come back I get out This is it That's it Like at least he's honest And the yo yo yo effect

It works I guess out in Out in so But yes So you learned The type of the caliber So the caliber at the medium from what we knew from the teaching the GED.

Sorry, I keep thinking about going to look at. What? I was just thinking about some of the things that these guys did. Oh, sorry, sorry, that they would say, and I would always look over at Zach, and he'd be like, Oh, yeah, we, you had to write three letter words, and the guy had written, like, it was like, dog, cat. He wrote, what do you say, fit? Yeah, and we were like, fit, like, like, to work out fit? like you he's like

no I fit and we went to do it yeah he goes we're like you use it in a sentence he goes I fit to go back to the unit I fit to do it and I looked at Zach and Zach goes

it works we had a blast that that's the stupidity like a lot of times we just sit there we look at each other like push past it just push fast

push past the stupidity it's big step around it if you can't step over let's go around it It was crazy. It was crazy. But imagine meeting that same click of people, but more in the pen.

And there's nobody to talk to. No. Very, very, very few. But I'm going to tell you what the difference is with the ignorance of the pen, those guys for some reason have better people skills. Honestly, just to be straight up honest, their ability to read people is, like above normal. They're ignorance of like maths,

of basic things and reading, super low, but there are survival instincts of being able to tell what people are up to or just to be able to read them. Right. Excellent.

And so their instincts are excellent. Their intellect is horrible. So just being around them was very challenging. But it was, and so those type of situations made things violent. Right. It's like they would kind of predict,

like, you know, I, I can tell that you've got an attitude about this and we're going to have a problem. The moment they, I always say the moment they get somebody like, somebody, the moment some guy who's like with a low IQ, the moment they get frustrated, their go-to move is violence. Yes. Like they can't reason it out. They can't determine, like, they can't figure out what the recourses of going down this path. It's immediately violence will solve this problem for me. Immediately. I'll eliminate my issue immediately with violence.

Yeah. And so I dealt with a lot of, and I didn't teach GED there. Like I said, I just did law work, but I dealt with a lot of those situations. Now, in the pen,

what happens is where you're from is automatically clicks you up with certain people. Yeah, in a car. Yeah, so yeah, they call them cars. So you have to ride with certain people based on either your color of your skin,

if you're in a gang, or from what part of the United States you're from. Right. So if you're not in a gang, you don't say, hey, I'm a Crip and you go with the Crips. If you're not in that, you can still go there. You don't have to join the gang, but you need to click up with your car. You need to be with different things. All right. So obviously when I got, now I lived, this was a mistake of mine because I went to college in Texas.

Right. So I could have claimed Texas. Right. Which would have been a not a large step or a full step. up from Florida, but it would have been a step up. So I told him I was from Florida. Now, Florida unfortunately has a lot of what they call jackers, which are gentlemen that masturbate out. These are, what do they call those guys that expose themselves in public? What are flashers? Flashers. So a jacker in prison is basically a flasher in action. And there's, and there's two kinds of jackers.

There's gunners which get up close to you and snipers, which do it from a distance. Yes. And Florida, unfortunately for me, Florida had a lot of gun and snipers. Some of them were versatile and could go back and forth. You know what Colby's thinking right now. I could have been working for Graham's staff. Go ahead. So horrible, horrible car for me to get in. So I'm in this car and like this becomes an issue.

So when you're in a car, what happens is they call a meeting. hey, we got a meeting on the rec yard. And a lot of times the staff let it go on so where everybody from your car, so I'm from Florida, we all stand around and one person will stand there and go, all right, man, this is what's going on. One guy will dictate what's going on.

So one of the first meetings I went to, all right, man, this was going on. We had a problem with Billy in the child hall jacket. So we're going to have to remove him from the compound. So all the new people that just got here ain't put in work, we're going to need y'all to put in work. So I'm getting pulled up like, okay, put it in work. What do you need me to move some furniture or what?

I mean, I do the application? What do you need me to do? Go, no, you're going to beat up and possibly stab Billy for gunning in the kitchen. Oh, no. But I'm like, I don't even know Billy. And I haven't seen him gunning, so I don't know. But anyway, so they send me and four other people to take care of Bill. Really. Never done this before in my life. Never done this. So if you walked in and I knew you, I'd be like, I'm going to be fine.

It's just Zach. Well, believe it or not. Okay. So believe it or not. Did you walk in with the glasses? Did you take the glasses on? I had the glasses on. I had the prison glasses on. I should have wore the way. Oh, man. The Chomo 2000s? Yeah. The Chomo 2000s. Big fake ass like this. So, apparently, this came out funny because we were going to beat him up. So, like, I get with somebody and they're like, look, we'll get him down and you just kick him in the face. And I hold him down. Jeez. So this was the plan. But the guy that led us, obviously, the Billy was kind of a tough guy. And Billy wasn't afraid of the guy that led the path.

So we all got together and we're going to go tell him to check in. They were going to tell him to go and tell the officer his life's in danger to go check in, right? And that's what he's going to have to do. And wait, and Billy is in your car. He's from Florida. Yes, he's from Florida. So you're basically kicking out one of your own.

Kicking out one. And that was the purpose of a car is to keep people in line. Keep your people in line. And if there was a problem between my car and another car, then both of us would talk and they would arrange whether the two people would fight in the different cars one on one or whether we go to war. It all depends on what the situation was.

Right. So I'm just giving you, because there was a situation we're supposed to be a war. Right. You know, and believe it or not, because... Did Billy check in?

What happened? Sorry. I have a joke. There's a joke. It's hard. I got to tell the story. Okay. All right.

So what happened is one time I kind of prevented a war, which was crazy. But as I was there a while, I kind of moved up in ranks because I guess either I was level-headed or I spoke intelligently. Right.

Or whatever it was, or I would say, what other people were thinking they weren't. But people get used to you and they give you that type of title or role. So for the Billy's situation, we approached them and there was a gentleman that approached him that obviously Billy wasn't scared of.

So the gentleman's telling Billy, hey, hey, listen, man, we know you've been jacking in the kitchen, you need to go up top. So Billy's standing there. We approached him, I'm sorry. He just come out of the child hall. We got him in an area where there's no camera. Right?

He has his apple and he's standing there and the guy is telling him, hey, His last name was Kitchens. Hey, you need to go up top, right? We know what you've been jacking. You need to go up top. So he's standing there, and he looks at this guy, and he looks at all four of us there,

then he bites his apple. And he's chewing it, like, very animated, right? Ain't nobody. Who said they saw me jacking? I want to know who it is. So the guy's like, listen, man. It don't matter who saw you, Jacking. You got to go up top.

You're like, I ain't going up top. I have a fair hearing to find out who said they saw me Jacket. Ain't nobody saw me when I was Jacking. When I was Jacket. I want to know who it is, right? So he's standing there eating the apple.

So I'm telling myself, I'm like, okay, the problem is because the guy goes, man, this is really serious. And I'm like, the problem is he's not really. really thinking is serious. I go, I don't, I think he thinks he can whip all four of us. Because he's looking at all of us in the face like, are you kidding?

He's about thinking, are you kidding me? They said the B team. I'm going to get out of this. But fortunately for all of us, there was one A team member standing next to Billy, and he drew back and hit Billy, cold cock in the side,

knocked him completely out. Boom! He hits the floor, apples rolling. face down in the corridor, the other two guys, not the guy that was talking, the other two go up, kick him in the face about eight times. I'm standing there, so they look back at me. I walk over and go, no, no, no, let's go, let's go, let's go.

I didn't even touch him, but I ran. That was my first call of duty. I actually did nothing. Did nothing and got labeled as putting in work. Nice. Thank you. Thank you very much. Because I was in a car.

within my first three months there it was insane it was insane did you want to give a low story did you have any a low story did you have any problem while you're over at the low what did I have

I mean I only had the one where I was in the I you know I I had the one story where I'm trying to think of physical contact stories okay so well there was one story

there's this guy named I think I've told this on concrete but there was a guy named Ellis Cook. Ellis Cook had been to state prison two or three times. He'd actually gone to state. He'd also gone to trial multiple times.

And one, because the state, you got a chance of winning. Like, he'd actually won. He actually, when he was like 18, 19 years old, robbed another drug dealer while the guy was home. Like, basically, it was a home invasion. I mean, you can get 20 years, you know. So he's looking at 20-something years. He actually broke in the guy's house and beat the guy's ass. And the guy's

I knew it was him because he'd ripped him off. Ripped him off the money back. The guy called the cops. They came and got him. He basically said, he broke it and stole money. Right. And he said, but I know who it is. And they went, they got him.

He went to trial. He won. So, but he'd been a trial several times, been to state prison several times. And so Cook got to the medium. I'm sorry, Cook got to the low. And I'd been there for years. And we used to watch Walking Dead all the time in the white TV room. right because you have the you have the black TV room

Hispanic and the white but the whites and Hispanics were the minority so then you had the black the big TV room was the black TV room so role reversal um big blacks is why so what ended up happening was Cook came in and Cook immediately started you know dictating everything like because he was like as opposed to the the bulk of us

he's like a real criminal and he had gotten there and immediately showed his paper like walked in boom here's my my like his deck sheet that shows like like all your charges and what your sentence is boom minimum mandatory I got you know armed career criminal I got I got 180 months so I got 15 years armed career criminal okay good like guys are like they're not even asking to see his PSI and but he was offering he's like look brook I'm getting my sister to send my PSI right now right he said but this is my thing. So people saw that sheet and immediately were like, he's a standup guy. He's a standup guy. So, right? So he's walking around telling people calling everybody snitches and chomos and those chomos, he can't be coming in the TV room and he this. And you have to think there's half of out of 100 and I'm sorry, out of 1,800 inmates, really 2,000. So really it's close to 2,000 inmates in the low. Half of them have sex charges. Now they may not be there for a sex. charge but so like let's say 30% are there for an actual sex charge like they actually got caught

like looking at child porn right the other ones they are sex offenders on other charges right or there's a rape in their past or there's a sex offense in their past whatever they're there on another charge remind me I have a question to ask you about that I just remember but go ahead I'm going to let you finish okay so what happens is I want to watch the walking dead we've been watching the Walking Dead for three or four years. So what ends up happening is, is Cook comes in. He's been there like six months.

Like he came in middle of the Walking Dead. Cocky guy. So he... Right, he just, but everybody's letting him do it. Now, granted, listen, he's a big guy. He's aggressive. He's a, you know, he's a, uh, probably five, ten, five, eleven, probably 195 pounds, 200 pounds, but in great shape.

like he's a he's a wood you know he's like he's a guy works out every day he's in great shape so he comes in and and so walking dead had just ended and like the crew of guys that watched walking dead within that six months started getting shipped and moving or getting out and then it got down to where the top guys in the room that watched walking dead i was basically like me and one other guy were the top guys and everybody else that watched it were newcomers or basically sex offending who weren't even allowed in the TV room except to watch Walking Dead. They would come in there. Cook didn't like that.

So when they're writing the, they're writing up the schedule, and everybody's like, hey, I want to watch this on this day. And they're writing the schedule. I said, hey, Walking Dead starts on Sunday nights. And he goes, yeah, bro, we ain't watching that anymore. We're watching Stone Cold Steve Austin, a skull ram, broken skull ranch. And I went, no, no, no, bro. We're watching Walking Dead.

And he goes, no, I mean, we ain't watching that. And so there's a guy doing the schedule. but Cook's like sitting down. Cook's like, we ain't watching that. I go, no, we, we, we are watching that. And I could tell it. Cook's a fucking prick, bro. Are you?

Yeah. What? I mean, where did the aggression come from? With who? With you. Oh, no. Well, you know, obviously, I mean, look, I'm playing, in prison, I'm playing a, you're playing a park.

Right, the entitlement, you've been there for a while. I've been there. Yeah, you're thinking everybody's, but listen, I'm, I got this. Yeah. I'll shut up. Oh, yeah. Look, I got my little piece of real estate. This is my chair.

That's right. My spot. Right. Like I let somebody hold my spot, but when I want to watch, I only barely have watched TV, but when I want to watch this movie, like basically you've got it 90% of the time, but you're holding my spot. And when I want to watch a movie, you're just hit. You can just stand up. Like, but guys are, you had, you had street credit.

Right, well, because I've been there so long. I got you. I'm just asking. So, oh, no, it gets worse. Like, Cook and I go back and forth. Like Cook's like, no, no, we're going back and forth, back and forth. And he's like, no, bro, that ain't happening. And I said, it is happening.

I go, do you know why it's happening, Cook? And he goes, why? I said, I go, because I've been here five years and you just got here. That's why it's happening. Oh, oh, yeah. And he's all like, he like snickers and laughs. He goes, motherfucker, you ain't doing shit. I said, okay, we'll see.

I said, listen, come Sunday, I said, I'm turning that fucking TV. I said, that's all you need to worry about. So I said, you can put your little thing on the list or not. I said, but the fact is, I'm going to turn the TV. I got up and walked off. Now, by the way, I'm not turning the TV. Cook would beat the brakes off me. He'd beat me like a small child.

It would have been embarrassing. act was gone. Of course. Like you got around the corner like, I mean, how many times have you acted like a badass knowing I'm not following through? I'm trying to push this guy to get this guy. You know, look, I act like a tough guy in front of my girlfriend, even though both of us know that if push comes to shove, she looks at me and she's like, I will beat your soft ass. Like, like, she'll tell me all the time. She'll look at me and go, like, don't get hurt. Don't get her. But I act like, you know, I wish you would. I wish you would. She's like, she starts laughing. She's like, stop, stop it.

so what happens with cook is so over the next couple of days i'm literally getting all these other guys i'm like listen guys are coming up being like bro i heard you had an issue i mean we're still walk on the watch are we watching the walking dead we're watching it just do me a favor we're all going to show up 30 minutes early crowd the tv room and they're like and you're going to turn the you're really going to turn the channel i'm going to turn the channel bro i swear i'll turn it they're like you sure i'm like man i'm going to turn that you don't even worry about i'm turning it so we show up and then so cook even comes to me later in the day I'm sitting there all day posted up so I'm sitting there all day and cook goes he's lean he's making cracks every once while

leans back and he goes hey bro I heard you got your little team coming in strong 30 minutes before the before walking dead because I see you got your boots on him and don't worry about what I got on and he goes yeah all right all right he's like you know you're going to have a rude awakening when I he is when you try and get up and turn that that channel you'll see what happens bro you think I'm playing I said I'm not worried about you playing. I said, cook, I don't give a shit. I said, there's one thing that's going to happen. I said, I said, I'm going to get up and I'm going to turn the TV. I said, and we're, I said, even if we both go to the shoe, I said, we can watch it together because I'm going to yank that TV

clean off the fucking wall. We'll watch it together in the shoe together. And so he's all, you know, and he's like, he's snickering and laughing. He doesn't take me serious. Everybody's, and guys are coming to me going, are you playing with him? Are you serious, bro? I'm like, I'm serious. Like, I'm playing it up. I'm not doing nothing. so just before oh it's good I was impressed myself you're kind of like damn yeah I was like I think I might even punch this guy I'm not going to it's going like

hey did we really say that yeah so as I'm leaving so here's what happens just before like it's maybe an hour beforehand I get up to leave and he says something like oh I see you got your boots on makes another crack he's got make sure your boys got your boots on whatever he's saying

he's talking shit I get up to leave and he gets up to leave and as I'm walking out the door he makes some other crack and I said man you need to stop worrying about whether I'm turning it because I am turning the channel you watch you ain't turning shit I said I'm gonna rock I'm telling you I'm take that fucking

TV off the wall you think you're cute I said don't give a shit I said bro I got like 10 more years to go I give a fuck I said I'll pull that thing right off the fucking wall and he looked at me and he goes what did he say he said oh then you're going to happen I looked at him I said you need to stop worrying about what's going to happen bro because I'm going to yank that TV clean off the wall

and we're going to watch I said we're going to watch it, we'll watch it in the shoe together. He said, what you need to worry about is this, that when we get out of the shoe and they transfer you, you'd better hope they don't send you someplace out west where they're going to be asking for paperwork that you and I both know you can't provide. And he looked at me and went, because what I basically say, if you don't, what I basically said if nobody understands is that I just said that I know your paperwork isn't good. I know you told on some people. Right. Like I know. you can't go out west where they're going to ask you for paperwork for real for real

a not not give you a pass because you came in and had a story that semi made sense they're going to ask you for paperwork and you're going to have to prove that you didn't cooperate so i said hey i said they're going to send you someplace out west where they're going to ask you for paperwork that you and i both know you can't provide and by the way when i look at you like this i wasn't looking at him like this i was looking up at him because he's like like like he's like 510 511 and i'm like 5 6 so we're this close and I'm like yeah you better you better uh you know it's like not intimidating but I

and he looked at me and he went he kind of looks around and he goes does somebody say something I mean that was it bro you just fucked you heard the brand yeah it was like and I went I said I go yeah and he goes who and I go you just now and he went

sat there and he goes and he goes oh what brilliant what the I said, bro, I said, your numbers don't work. They don't, your numbers don't work. I go, you're on a, you're off the chart for criminal history and you got 15 years. And he went, sat there and he goes, bro, you know, I'm just fucking with you, bro.

You can watch that show. He said, I was just playing with you. I was just playing with you too, cook. You know, I was, you know, I was, I appreciate that. He's like, yeah, man, don't worry about it. Man, watch the show. That's cool. That's cool.

Don't worry about it. I said, all right. I said, no problem. He said, yeah, you know, that's, we're good. we're good, right? He says, we're, we're good. I said, no, we're good. We're good. He goes, okay, all right. And he walks off. Listen, he came in 20 minutes later, grabbed his chair, two or three of his little buddies that were also there, grabbed their chairs, and they all left. It was just me. And like a couple minutes later, a couple of other guys

walk in, then a couple of shows walk in, and we're all sit there. And we watch, guys are like, dang, bro, what happened? I'm like, no, I mean, he was just playing. It's fine. It's not a big deal. A couple days later, Cook comes up to me, was, can I talk to you in the, in the, in the wash room where they had like you know the mops and shit and I go yeah what's up he walks in and he goes you really didn't know I went no I said I always assumed he said nobody's ever said nothing I said nobody ever said nothing and I said what happened really I said because your numbers don't make sense and he was fuck he was what did I say I said bro

you've been in state prison three times you've told me about multiple arrests I said I know that your criminal history is off the chart there's I said you should have been at at at least 25 years he goes bro I was looking at life He was, I was looking at life. If it was drugs, yes. Right, right. And, well, it was, it was, it was, he was caught with meth and he was caught with a gun. And he's been to, oh, he's done.

Right. And he sat there and I said, so, and he goes, you know, and he said, so I go, so you cooperated. And he's like, yeah, but you don't understand what. Hey, so what did you want to talk about? Well, I want to tell you about Wagovi. Yep, Wagoe. What about it? On second thought, I might not be the right person to tell you.

Oh, you're not? No, just ask your doctor about. Wacovi. Yeah. Ask for it by name. Okay. So, why did you bring me to the circus? Oh, I'm really into lion tamers. You know, with the chair and everything. Ask your doctor for Wagovi by name. Visit wagovi.combe.com for savings.

Exclusions. We apply. Happened. I said, I don't need to understand. Like, he's trying to, you know, they always like, you don't understand. It was my cousin, Pookie told on me first. And it did, and it's always some reason that makes sense. And I don't care what your reason it is. You cooperate. I could care less. Yeah, it's retaliation.

Yeah, the guy told it on me first, and I thought, right, I had no choice. He was lying and in my, they were threatening my, they were going to, I only did it for my wife. How about you just didn't want to do the time? Yeah, I'm okay with you didn't want to do that. I didn't, I couldn't do life. Right. I couldn't do it. Amen. Sorry. I got to spread it around. You got to do five years. He can do 10 of it. You can do seven. Is it wrong? Yes. And I feel bad. But now I don't have to do life and I'm okay with that. You know, because trust me, I can't be sitting for the rest of my life saying, yeah, I'm a stand up guy, though. little consolation

when you can't make commissary so anyway he uh so yeah he said I was like I don't care and he had some stupid story I don't know if you've ever heard this one where the guys will say that they buried guns because they knew someday they'd get busted and they would be able to tell the DEA

where there were guns and they'd give them a reduction for the guns but really they were my guns I had bought and planted there so I didn't tell on anybody I just told them where there was something stop stop it that's a good line that's a good line but it doesn't work. That's not what happened.

Like, that's a lie. Really? And those guns that you gave them resulted in an arrest? No. No. Stop. It helped further an investigation they were already working on? No.

It helped. Okay, stop. But I was like, look, whatever, bro. Later on, he told me what really happened. So anyway, listen, even his, the guy that got him messed up on his charge was also there. So anyway, that was one thing that almost, like, did it come to an argument? or not, I mean, a fight or not. I don't know, but it was always comical because I was that close to getting the living

shit kicked out of me. Another, I only had two other incidences. One, incidences? Incidents. Yeah, sorry. Another time I was, when I first got locked up in the cell with two guys. In the media? No, no, I was, when I first, it was in the Marshall's holdover.

Oh. I don't know if I ever told you this. Another eye incident, by the way. So I'm sitting there, I'm weird, where, it's three guys in this little tiny room. No, four of us. At one point, three, and then four is two bunks in a tiny little room. One of the guys, and you're basically laying down all day. You can't get up and walk around. There's nowhere. As soon as you get off your bunk, there's a toilet. That's it. So the other time was, like I was in the cell, we'd been locked up forever, and the one guy

is bipolar. Big black guy, bipolar. And so I remember we, I had gotten down to go to the bathroom and there was a mirror in the bathroom you know it's that shiny chrome yes and I'm so I'm one piece of toilet and sink yeah yeah yeah so I'm taking a piss and I look up and the guys I can see

him looking at me while he's while I'm pissing no big deal you know you're it's a small room you got to look somewhere but he's you know anyway I glanced up at him and I don't think anything of it I'm still pissing and I glance up and he's looking at me again he goes what you looking at I went

I'm not looking at anything You're looking at me You're saying I'm a punk That's what you're saying That's what you're saying That's what you're saying And he jumps up I'm pissing

He jumps up What gets in my face While I'm going to the bathroom And I'm like Whoa whoa hey hey You're saying I'm a punk That's what you're saying You're saying I'm a punk

And keep out Everybody knows the guy's a loose cannon Right And he jams his finger in my eye and like and I went what the fuck I'm I go what the fuck he's like I ain't no bung I don't know bunk

and I finish zip up turn around and walk away the guy's like six foot four he's a giant he had to be over 350 pounds I'm using a massive guy worked out every time they went to wreck he went out worked out so I get back in my bunk

he went for like the next 30 minutes or so. He's walking around like this, you know, flexing, pacing in the room. There's barely any room to pace. Like, I mean, he's literally, it's like two steps this way, three steps that way, and you're done. Or you're tripping over the toilet. And he's like, I don't get, I don't get, I ain't know punk, man. He's just working and I'm sitting there staring out. I'm sitting Indian style on my bunk, top bunk in the corner, waiting for him to come at me so I can wedge myself in the corner and just kick him back. Right.

His guy's spitting, a little bits of spit coming out of his mouth. The other guy that's in the room is down there looking up like, fuck, like he's nuts. After a couple, or after like 30 minutes or so, he calms down. He goes and he lays down. He woke up like an hour or so later, got up and said, man, I'm sorry about that. Man, I just, you know, I sometimes are getting my head and I can't stop the,

I'm sorry, man. I was out of line. I was and I'm looking at him thinking this guy's insane like I had just been locked up maybe a month or so maybe I don't know might have it had to be had to be about a month maybe two months in that because I was in Atlanta so that was one time and then well I have you have yeah you have another one I'll tell you my other one which is funny yeah well the the one in the pin where I actually got, well, I want to say assaulted, because I'd been in a couple of fights. One was like over, like I was changing the, after I'd been there a while, I was changing the TV and me and the guy's arguing and the guy's up in my face and I push him back and then we started going at it, you know, but that's probably even, because we were hugging and locked up.

But the one time I was assaulted was like I had been there about two months. and I had put something together because I was fighting my case so I had put something together and I needed copies and I didn't have a copy card so somebody told me that the woman working this was in the library in the evening time

Ms. Green he said Ms. Green makes copies for inmates I've seen her do it I said okay well cool so I go and she's in there with another inmate making copies right so I said Ms. Green is it possible I can get some copies made you know and she's like

what makes you think I'd make copies. I said, hey, somebody told me that you'll make copies for us and we need copies. She goes, that sounds like some lieutenant sent you and put you up to it. I do not make copies for inmates. I do not make copies for inmates. I said, okay, no problem. And left. Like, I'm like, okay, I don't know what's got into her. So I go back and sit down. I go, hey, she want to make the copy. So I sit down and then all of a sudden, two guys approach me. Now, both of these guys are muscular, but one's kind of about 180 pounds muscular

and one's about 270 pounds muscular, right? And they come in and, you know, the 270 pound muscular guy, he's just punching the air pacing back and forth. None of these guys are brilliant. None of these guys are brilliant. Right? So I'm sitting there

and I'm looking and he's punching the air. And then the little skinny muscular guy, he kind of sits on top of a desk and he goes, dude, he goes how long have you been in the pen I said I've been here about two months you ever been in the pen before

I'm like no this is my first time he's like dude he's like you just fucked us up I said what he goes we were getting copies from this green and you come in there and say that to her and now she don't want to make copies for us anymore

that was our business and how we were making money I'm like my bad man I go I didn't know he's like you didn't know it don't matter if you didn't know or not You just cost me $50, $60, $80. I'm like, all right? I mean, you don't think you get anybody else to make a call?

He's like, no, man. No, you're going to have to pay me my money. You don't cost me my money. You're going to have to pay me. So I'm like, okay, explain this again. He's like, you just walked in there on Ms. Green, said what you said. Now she don't want to make copies for me.

And I was getting copies made for multiple people on the compound. And you don't shut me down. You ruined my hustle. Yeah, you ruin my hustle. You owe me $80 in commissary. So I'm going to bring you. When do you go to stow? I said, I think I go next Wednesday.

I'm going to bring you a list and you're going to get me my shit. So I'm like, okay. And I do that because I have to process. I'm not the type of person that like violence is not my first reaction. And when someone tells me something that I can't quite grasp, I'm thinking of myself, I need to process this because, like, I don't quite understand what's going on. So. Yeah, let me think my way out of this.

Yeah. Just say, okay, cool, and walk away. I'm going to try and figure out what's going on. Right. How do I get out of this? Yes. It's got to be a logical way to do this. Thank you.

Because this doesn't, all of this doesn't make sense. Right. What just transpired? I don't even know what the hell is going on. So as the week progresses, they bring me a list for $80. Like, okay, you need to pick this up, bye, bye, bye. I'm saying, now hold on a sec. As I'm asking questions, I'm like, so you're saying I owe you money because Ms. Green cut off your business.

I said if she would have just changed the mind and decided not to do it, who would owe you money? You're like, well, if she just changed the mind, we'd just be out. But you would have made a change of mind, so you owe us this money. So as I'm processing and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm getting extorted. Right. So then I told myself, if I pay this, this is probably the first of many payments. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm not going to pay it.

I'm absolutely not going to pay it. I said, I might as well go to the shoe. I'm thinking I could check in. But then I'm like, you know, I have some skills. I can hit back. I probably could take an ass whooping. You know what I'm saying? As long as they don't kill me, whatever.

I just make it out in public. And I'm going to scream for help like a bitch if it all gets out of hand. You know what I'm saying? I know how to handle this. Right? So the day comes, I'm supposed to have the groceries. I meet in the library that night. And they're like, you got our food?

I said, no. I don't. They say, well, and they're making excuses for me, so I'm thinking I'm going to get out of this anyway. This is a bunch of yap, you know. They're like, well, what happened? Your money didn't come in? You need some more time?

What happened? Right? So I'm like, no, man, I just decided I don't think I'm going to pay it. They look at each other and they leave. I'm like, okay, that was easy. So the next day, next night in the library, they come in, the both of them together, but the routine starts over.

So the big guy's coming in, he's punching there. Little guy comes, let me highlight you right quick, bro. So you cost us money, and you're saying you're even paying us. Is that what's going on? I said, hey, listen, man. Because in my mind, I'm like,

this has got to be a joke. This is not real. It's a stand-up routine. This is a stand-up routine. So I say, listen, bro. I said, if my mistake cost you money, right, I apologize. You know what I'm saying? But I'm not paying you $80 for some money you got in the come.

I'm just not going to get in the middle of that. Right. So he's like, I tell you what? He goes, let me hollet. Let me holl at you. Right. Instead of us talking and arguing in front of everybody, let me hollet you right quick in this other room. Stupidly, like, it played on my intelligence so much that I went into the other room.

You thought you could talk them out of it? Well, I thought it was over. I thought this is all a joke. This is not real. Right. So I go into the other room, right? And both guys come in and they close the door. Then I come to realize, I'm like, yeah, no camera.

I come to realize I'm like, hmm. This just went bad. I go, when I came in here, there was probably about four guys in that library as lookout. You know, it's like the situation processed as now he started back talking. He's like, he go, like, he go, unfortunately. Because he's given a spiel. This is like, I'm from the whoop your ass, be it. Unfortunately, we can't have people thinking they can just do us any kind of way.

No, he's in a spill, but I'm processing in my mind. Like, this was a big mistake in me walking in this room. And if other people find out that we let an MF get us in a situation, and I'm like, how do I get out of this room? So that's why we got to make an example. of you. This is all processing at once. So I told him, I said, hey, so in my mind, I'm like, I need to get loud, right? And I need to get close to that door where that guy's punching to get out of here.

So he's talking, and I cut him off. Because I really, I wasn't listening to him anyway. Yeah, yeah. You know what I said? Because you're me, I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hey, huh? I say, hey, I say, listen, man, I'm a holl at you all later. I ain't got time for this. Well, the dude punching the air, when I stop him, he stops and looks, and he comes over and he cocks me right in the, like I watch the whole thing.

He runs over to me and he punches me right in the face. Boom! I go down. So luckily they're not kicking. They decide they're going to bend over and beat, like they're going to beat me up traditionally. So they're bending over to beat me up. So I get in the fetal position, but I'm yelling. Oh, stop, stop.

Oh, this is a, by the way, this is a library. So it's a, where I'm at is a back book room. So I grab a cart full of books and pull it down on myself. So there's books. So they're punching books and everything to hit me, right? And I'm screaming. Wow. Then they go, hey, I hear somebody on the outside, I say, hey.

So the guy, the big guy that's punching me, he stops and he looks back. So I'm in the fetal and I look and I see him look the other way. And like an idiot, I punch him. Boom! In the face, he's like, oh, he goes down. The other guy, they're beating me up. Then they both stop and they run out of the room. Well, the CO comes in, I'm bloodied.

They don't break anything. I'm just bloodied up in the face, you know, bleeding from my lips and teeth. What happened? Who jumped you? Who was it? Blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I don't know who it was. Little Jimmy and Miami.

They actually. You track them out. Somebody told on them because they actually got them both and me, and I'm the only one that came out. Right? Nobody even liked those guys. They got the cameras. They can see these two guys.

Those guys probably just ran down the hallway and it's pretty obvious. Like, oh, and it's a pin. It's like, what? Four or five hundred guys? How many people were it? No, it was a 1,500. It was a pretty big pin. But still somebody in the library is like, that's Thompson.

He's in B7. That's Jimmy. But that was like my experience of being jumped. But like, like I said, the whole time I thought, I'm like, this is a joke. I'm like, what the hell? hell is going on did you go to the shoe yes i went to the shoe for about a week um what it happened is i think s i said told me that these guys they've been jump and i don't understand how they've been jumping people because they were really lousy fighters all right like when i went down

this should have kicked me to sleep but for some reason they wanted to stoop down and and hit me with their fists i'm like what are y'all doing this is not even the right way to do this you got me down, kick me. Yeah. When I pulled the book cart on me, because I just grabbed, I didn't pull it when I fell. Like, when they're hitting me, I grab up and I grab it and pull it down on me. Right. It was strange. It was weird. But it wasn't that bad. What happened with those guys? They shipped them. Oh, they told me they were problems anyway. They were, they were into something else. They were bullying and that wasn't their forte. Right. So this was just, this was just an excuse to get rid of them anyway. We knew they were into something, but this gives us an excuse to ship.

him. Yes. Make him somebody else's problem. The SIS guy was a black guy and he's like, you just got here for tax fraud. He goes, we're shipping. He goes, listen, man. He goes, I've had problems with, he, he mentioned it. Matt, and I just, I swear I can't remember.

Either they were into tickets, gambling or they were into something that he's like, listen, I've been wanting to get rid of those two idiots forever. Thank you. Get out of here. So, and the rumor was I got extorted, but, you know, I'm like, I never paid it. Yeah. I actually had, look, so like I went to the medium, right? Like, I never had any problems at the medium, right? Right. You know, other than being attractive.

So, but when I got to the low, so I've been to the low maybe two, three weeks. I think I've told you this. So this guy comes over and this guy's like six foot six, by the way. Huge, like really tall, muscular guy. Comes over, I want to say his name was, oh, B. They called him B. So B comes over to me one day. I'm in my cell with my cell he's sitting there.

Right. And I was sitting there writing. When you say to extortion, it reminds me this. So B comes over, he walks in my cell, and I'll make this story quick. He says, he walks right up to me. I'm sitting in a chair, right? You know, I'm wedged between the, but, like, he can't come too close. Like he comes up and goes, hey, I'm already sitting down.

You're six foot six. You're already a foot taller than me. And I'm sitting down. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, what's up? And he goes, he said, this is how this is going to work, bro. I'm going to give you, I forget what he said, 50 or let's say, let's say 100 bucks. He goes, I'm going to give you a hundred bucks. He goes, I'm going to give you, no, here's how he's going to work.

You're going to give me $100 with a commissary a month. He said, ain't nobody going to bother me. Or ain't nobody going to bother you? And I went, oh, yeah? And he goes, yeah. That's how it's going to work. That's how it's going to work. And I went, okay, so you got a list?

I guess he was expecting some pushback. Right. I go, you got a list? He was like, no, this ain't no joke. And I went, no, I understand. You're going to,

you can make sure nobody bugs me. I give you 100 bucks. Yeah. I said, oh, well, give me a list. And I sat there and I went, there anything else? And he's like, nah, man.

I said, all right, would, give me a list. And he goes, I know what you need a list for. I said, what am I, I'm just going to randomly get you $100 worth of stuff? I mean, what do you need a list for? I said, if it's up to me, it's going to be like copycards and like, you know, dandruff shampoo.

Like, I mean, I need a list. I need to know what you want. And you could tell he was just like, something's really wrong here. And he goes, I don't know about no list. I said, yeah, man, you write up a list and I'll get it for. I go, write up a list.

I said, make sure you put your name and what cell you're in, too. And what you need that for? I said, well, so that I can, when I bring it to the counselor and ask him what I'm supposed to do about this six-foot, six black guy trying to extort me for $100 a month, I said, so we can go straight to your cell. I said, and have a talk with you.

And he looked at me and he goes, oh, that's how it is? You're going to rat me out? I said, of course I'm going to rat you out. I said, look at this compound. I said, there's only two kinds of people here, rats and chomos. that's it. I said less than 5% of the

of this entire less than 5% of the people here didn't cooperate. I go, this is a protective custody compound. I said, now maybe you're one of the stand-up guys. I said,

I don't know. I found out later, by the way, he'd been back to court like five times, four or five times to cooperate. He started with a life sentence. So, you know,

I didn't know that at the time, though. I'd just gotten there. Like I'd seen him around, but I don't know who he is. I don't talk to this guy. So I said, I said, so, he said, oh, you're just going to wrap me out like that? I said, of course, absolutely.

Absolutely. I said, I didn't come here to make friends. I said, and I said, I will rat out anybody I have to to survive and get out of this place. I'm not here to make friends. I said, so give me your list so we can all have a conversation. He was, oh, that's going to go bad for you. I don't give a shit how it goes. I tell you, what's not going to happen is you're not going to get your hundred, your hundred bucks.

Now, luckily it was a low and not a medium. So he didn't attack me. He said, oh, they ain't going to work out good for you. And he just, like, walked off. I never heard it from him again I'm walking by him and he's looking at me and I'm just or I'm just not looking at him at all

it's like you glance up to see him and just keep your head down keep walking like I'm waiting for it to go bad never did never did what ended up happening was I actually had a two man cube and I was going to move

from the top bunk to the bottom bunk and my celly was going to the drug program so was like a month or so later and literally this guy I, so this guy named Rambo, who was a Puerto Rican guy, when my cell he moved out, he moved in. You don't just move in somebody's cell. You know what I mean? Like, you know that?

And first of all, I was supposed to go down. So he moves in. I'm furious. And I go, what the, what the fuck's going on, bro? What do you mean? You just come in here? And he's like, he's like, oh, that's the way it is, man. Rambo.

That's the guy. I'm thinking the guy that he stored at you, but go ahead. No, no. This is another guy. All right. So what happens is I end up going in and bitching and moaning and the white TV wrote, man, this fucking piece of shit, you know, he this, he that. So I have this whole thing.

And this guy, this one guy is like, hey, bro, my cellie's moving or I'm going to be leaving. You can move myself. I said, no, man, I can't stay one night. I got to figure out something out right now. And the guy goes, let's go talk to my celly. So I go to this guy's celly and I convince his celly who's a sex offender to swap bunks with me. Right.

So while Rambo's taking a nap. we actually move our stuff. So now he's stuck in a room with a chomo, which, you know, he ain't happy about it all. So we swap, swap them out. And I actually paid the sex offender. I paid him $30. Like I went and got him $30 in commissary.

He was like, oh, what if you don't give me the commissary? He said, bro, I said, I'm not like that. I don't give a shit what you're here for. I said, I'm going to get you the $30. I'm not like these other guys. I'm going to get you the 30. And I did. I got him $30.

You know what it was bothering me about that was that it was basically like $15 worth of underwear. and I know that when he was walking around the compound after that he was walking around the compound and I would glance over and we'd make eye contact and I know that he knew that I knew that he're wearing my underwear I bought you those underwear like it was a weird thing like if I felt uncomfortable after that did you did I what did you ever say anything about you no I was like at least now he had my fear is that yeah my fear is he's thinking he's thinking to himself I'm wearing your underwear you bought me you know you know you No, yeah, not good. So, but what happened was, so we swap it, and the guy was furious about it too, bro. Like, I mean, literally was, like, everybody's laughing at him now. Like, oh, you thought you were cute.

Now you're stuck with Chomo. Anyway, what's so funny is, so then, like, a couple days later, I'm walking down the hallway, and that guy B that tried to extort me, we're walking by each other, and he sees me, walks up. He was, hey, Cox, hey Cox. And I remember thinking, fuck this fucking guy, what's going to happen now? I look up and I go, yeah, what's up? He said, the shit you did with the chomo?

And I go, yeah, he goes, I was a veteran move, bro. Veteran move. And he fist bumps me and walks. And he goes like, you're all right and walks off. Because that's a veteran move? Yeah. We're buddies after that. With Rambo who was the asshole? Yeah.

He's the same guy. You know, it's funny as B's the same guy. He was, Trump had been just become president. Right. A few months earlier. And B was bent over the, the, fountain machine drinking water and I came walking up behind him

and he turned around he looked at me as hey Cox I don't like a white man coming up behind me like that and I said well don't worry I said six months of Trump being president you're gonna have your own water fountain and he went

oh man he goes oh I said nice right right he goes oh he starts he didn't know he was torn between that was a good one and hey hey that was a good one yeah no I had a question about

do you remember I think it was a chomo at the medium it was a kid who looked like he was about 13 14 absolutely he had the shorts on remember that day he had just the shorts and no shirt and sucking a lollipop do you remember that the white guys came to him and told me he had to buy him all to stay he had to buy them all tennis shoes when he first got there right really is that yes yes little white guy yes and they moved him to the low oh I don't know if he was there when I got there. I don't, I don't remember. But wasn't he there? He was, what was it? He was making, they were making like, oh, he was getting, he was getting younger. He wasn't a teenager. He was like a grown man. Yes. Yeah, but he's getting young girls. A girls or guys? Well, I don't know what

he's, he's getting, I thought it was young girls to make pornoes with other kids and they were videoing. It wasn't that the crime? Like, it was actually like hands on. Because he tried to get him in the, somebody tried to get him into laundry and, uh, Laundry lady said, I don't want anybody here with that type of charge. Right, right, right. She's just like outright. She goes, listen. She goes, I don't want anybody working in here with that type of charge.

That's exactly what she said. But I, because I thought he went to the low. Because when I went to the shoe, he was in the shoe the whole time. And I heard them tell him, we finally got you approved to go to the low. His mom was going nuts. I forgot his name. Bro, he, listen, there were so many of those guys there. There were so many sex offenders there.

never saw him again no and listen if they could have worked they could have run the whole compound like they could have told you you ain't going to the yard i mean there were so many of them but they're all so scared and so timid and they're all you know it's they're embarrassed and they're ashamed and they're you know listen but then there were some of them that weren't some of them are literally ready to argue with you that like it's totally acceptable to be looking at pictures or or talk or having sex like back in uh you know back a hundred years ago and you could be a 45 year old man and be having sex with a 13 year old what's the problem it was like what are you doing bro you know

so it some of them were just voistrous and it was like bro you understand that you're you're lucky you're at a compound because let's face it if they went to like yazoo or so most places no you're not watching tv no you're don't even don't even look in the tv room like you're not coming they would let these guys had a couple of them right just a medium had a couple of but i think the lows are inundated But that Holman Lowe Coddle them massive They coddled them When I was in the shoe

When I met people I remember it was It was a Spanish guy Told me that the S when you got there The SIS told them That they had It was like an experiment And they told you

They said The SIS would tell them We don't think that you're right for this place There are only certain types of people We allow to be here And you have to be like Very accepting they coddled them at that Coleman low they coddle they that because they had Conrad black there yeah they told me they they told me look Cox you're going to be all right he said you're going to be all right just follow the rules and as long as you don't have a problem with our indigenous population he said you're going to be okay I said oh I said that's right I said I heard you guys got like three or 400 sex offenders here he goes no it's it's like half he's just like half the people here have sex offender charges he says so if you got a problem with that I said I said

man I said I don't man I just want to do my time bro I just want to be left alone as long as they don't bother me I'm fine I said I could care less he was like they didn't bother you no I was too old you know that when I shaved you know they're like hey cutie but anyway um yeah so that was uh so what was what was the other one the other oh my other story was the car story about the um where they all gathered up, but I had been there about a year and a half. So after about, so really this incident,

this is the one you have to use for the try and figure out how to use this for the hook. This incident changed my statue because like, your status or your status? Yeah, yeah, statue, statue.

Yeah, no, that's not the status. Statue. Stature. Thank you. Well, um, like I kind of I kind of went from maybe follower to leader because so many people afterwards said, man, thank you. Yeah. So what happened? So they're like normally they set the alarm that we're having, we're having a meeting.

So if two cars are going to go at it, like while I was there, the Florida car went at it with the Crips when I was at Beaumont, which was, I had just got there and that went down. and there were stabbings involved. So people from Florida, we had to work it out. Another time we went, Florida has issues. We went at it with the Spanish. While I was there, against the Spanish, against the Crips, against the Texas car, and against the Northwest car.

So Florida would get into it. These Florida guys had major issues. So at one point, we were going to get into it with the guys from D.C. That is actually the nightmare situation in the PIN. Is the D.C., because the D.C. guys are so vicious. Well, they're basically state inmates. Yes.

And so they're all scummy. They just. Yeah, yeah. Because D.C., they don't have like a prison pot. Like, if you commit a crime in D.C. It's federal. It's federal. Even if it's a misdemeanor.

You could be stealing hubcaps going to feds. You don't, serious? Like, it could be anything you're going to the Fed. No matter what, it's fed, Fed, Fed, Fed, Fed, Fed. And, you know, the feds did that now to the Indian reservations. Yeah, yeah, those guys started showing up left and right, left and right. Yeah, they did it to the end. But anyway, so we were going to go to war with D.C.

So it's going around the compound. We're going to war with D.C. So someone, and this is, like, serious. Like, it's not just one day we're saying this and the next day it's over. Like, they're prepping people to the point where I'm, they come to me and they're like, do you have a knife? And I'm like, what? They go, you need a knife. So dude gave me a knife.

Like, I don't know how he made this thing, but it was like a shard of metal about this long blade, sharp, that I cut my finger like, holy piss. And they're giving me stab lessons, and he's showing me how to strap it to my hand. Like, strap the thing to your hand. Because blood's very slippery. And the soon you get some blood,

it'll slip out of your hand. Yep. That's what I heard. Yes. I wouldn't know. It was serious. Like this was going to go down. Right.

So I'm like when, where it was supposed to be on a Friday. So we have one meeting and this is in a unit in a guy's cell during the move. So we go during the move, we go into this guy. And this guy's name is, they call him Ice Man. They call him Ice. But he's a big snagletooth punk. Right. He had a boyfriend, but he was gay, but he was supposed to be the leader of the car.

This is the guy that's supposed to guide us and talk to a couple of people. He was the one that told me to go and beat up the guy for Jacking in the kitchen. You know, he worked with other cars. I had seen him put out a couple of incidents. I didn't really like him. He barely even talked to me. I don't think he liked me either, but he was there. So we're going to see Iceman, who was the car leader.

So we get in this cell. So he's like, hey, listen. And he's giving the spiel like, listen. Like the battle speech, like not all of us are going to make it. Right? So all the thing I hear is we're going to war with the DC car. So I get in the cell and he's like, all of us ain't going to make it. He goes, and some things are worth spending the rest of your life,

or giving your life up. But one thing ain't going to happen, man. These people ain't going to just do us any kind of way. This is a vicious fucking group. They don't tried us, and we ain't been to put up with it. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah. Listen, we men. We represent Florida.

We represent a big state, and we ain't going to go down like this. So y'all get ready Friday morning. They're going to meet them on the wreckyard. We got a day and a half, call you people, let them know. Because this is been to go down. It's going down in this mug going down. My soldiers. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah.

All right. When they call a move, y'all get out of here. All right, no problem. Cool. All right. So we're all standing around quiet like, yeah, it's murmur. So I said, hey, I have a question. Right?

Yeah, what's up, man? I said, why are we going to war? I said, what happened? I go, ain't nobody ever told me what happened. Why are we going to war? Iceman put his head down. because one of them dudes tried to go after my boy

that's it no more murmur trying to go after my boy I said by your boy you mean that dude that gay guy that was your sally

he's like yeah man we got to let them dudes know man, they can't just try anybody. Man, we're representing fraud. I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm like, um, I don't want to go to war over a homosexual. I'm like, I wasn't poking him in the butt. Yeah, I'm sure you're, I'm sure he's, I'm sure your punk's a wonderful person.

I'm sure, yeah, that's exactly. The problem is I should say it. I'm sure he's a good piece of ass. I bet, because he looks cute. But I'm not going to do. life or kill anybody or die because someone disrespected you're a punk i really i want to don't get me wrong i hear you unacceptable and i'm gonna i'm ready to compose a harshly worded email not stab someone why didn't i say that so i'm unwrapping the hand i'm like um

y'all gonna have to count me out right oh man you back out of this you are the car completely. I can live with that. Yeah, that's... I mean, that seems reasonable because in the future, I don't want to be called to go to war. Now, I said,

now, if they attacked someone in, like one of our friends... If it's a genuine issue... Yes. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because I talked to a bunch of... Matter of fact,

I still talk to a bunch of them. Right. But I'm not going to war over. Your punk's not even from Florida. So what did the other guys do? murmur so I said I'm out he's like

well then you walk alone this is what he's telling me you walk alone I said I walk alone I'm like I'm cool with it but you've been there several years by now no I've been there about two years going on two years

yeah okay two years I said I walk alone right so when they call a move I leave right so they when they leave no let that nigga go blah blah blah you know they're talking ice talking to them blah blah blah so when they come out right

all of a sudden the Friday attack is off, right? And then people are telling me like, I'm with you, man. I'm like, I wasn't for him to go to war over a punk. Yeah. Like, everybody's telling me that and thanking me for clarity

because, believe it or not, most of us didn't know what we were fighting for. Right. But I like that. I'm ready to do a harshly worded email. I got your nose back in writing. That's right.

And if they jump you about him, Yeah. Or if I see someone kissing him, I'm willing to say something. I'm definitely going to unacceptable. Unacceptable. Lips off that guy. Lips off that guy. He's taken. What was the guy's name? The ice. Ice man. Yeah. That's you know damn well. Iceman loves you. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. Yes. So it didn't happen. So I kind of, my statue went up because so many people agreed because they didn't know they were blindsided by that whole thing it was it was unbelievable i couldn't believe it like i'm thinking like holy mackerel like i've never been to war i'm about to go and meet with dc guy probably get slaughtered and and i'm like i don't even know why and what surprised me is

nobody was asking right it's like hey we're doing this yeah yeah yeah they're good soldiers you don't you don't ask you know the political reasons behind the decision you're a soldier you're a button You're a button man. A button. Button man. Not button, not button, not your button button button. Are we doing this for a piece of ass? Oh, man.

I was going to say, so listen, so the other one with me is this, is that there was a guy named Billy who was supposedly a biker. And, you know, and so Billy was in the low. and Billy when he first got there immediately started telling everybody that everybody's a punk oh that dude's a punk that dude's a chomo

all these fucking snitches around here I'm a stand-up guy I'm this, I'm that Ellis Cook actually got so sick of listening to him because Ellis Cook was preaching the same thing so Billy's preaching it

Ellis Cook but they had an issue like they constantly would budding heads over the TV you know what problems the TVs are the TVs are huge problems So they were constantly budding heads. Cook actually had somebody on the street, look up Billy, look up his charges. And while they were, he was trying to figure out if he cooperated.

While they were, he was looking to see if he cooperated, which he did, he found out that Billy was a registered sex offender. He'd actually had sex with like a 14-year-old girl when he was like 32 or something, like one of his buddies, whatever, kids or something. And he got charged with it and he actually had. I think he just got like probation or something. It's funny because in the feds, like if you look at a kid online, in the feds, you get three year minimum mandatory to possibly 10 or 12 or 5, whatever. But on the state level,

if you actually get a hold of the kid and have sex with her, you get probation. So if I took a picture of her and put it on the line, five years. Right, but you just had sex with her. Oh, okay. So anyway, Billy actually was a registered sex offender on the Florida website.

So he actually cooked somehow or another actually got the flyer sent in and made copies of it and passed it out. So Billy was totally outed and got an article that

talked about Billy being a cooperating witness. So I mean, Billy's like done. So anyway, but Billy still, he's acting like it's all bullshit. Like, none of that's true. He did admit the sex offender thing at some point. But the point is, one day we're, and I used to mess with Billy all the time.

He was always making wise cracks, and I'd make wise cracks back. Right. So I actually, at one point, like, he would say stuff like, I remember one time, some guy came in the TV room and sat down and we're all watching TV, and the guy was like, he had just come out of the counselor's office, and he's like, yeah, man, I just got my halfway house date back. they gave me nine months I leave next month

guys were like man good for you bro good for you where are you going after that man I'm gonna go stay with my family I'm gonna stay here I'm gonna try and get moved up to West Virginia or whatever Billy would throw in like you know

yeah I don't know if I'm I ain't gonna take no halfway house I don't want no halfway house and well in Florida the halfway houses won't take sex offenders so you don't have it you acting like I don't want it no you don't have a choice

So stop with that. That's what you said? No, no. What I said was somebody said, Billy then said, he's like, I'm not sure where I'm going to go on him. I don't think I'm, but he's just talking to himself, really.

Nobody's to him talk. He's like, oh, no, I might go stay with my, I ain't going to stay with my family. I don't know. I might, might stay with my girl. I don't know. And I went, well, I know where you're not saying. And he goes, where?

And I go anywhere close to a church, a daycare. I said, or a school like that. And everybody, I said, or a, park everybody starts laughing fuck you cox fuck you and gets up and walks off or you know would stand up and he'd jump up and yell you fuck you cox and i just ha ha ha and i start laughing and you know what are you going to do he'd walk off as it got closer to him going home i don't know what happened but we i'm still messing with him the whole time like this has been years going on so that's just our relationship like don't say anything stupid around me the way i looked at it is this

I remember my ex-wife said You would think that going to prison Would have curbed your smart-assness It would have made you a little bit humble And I was like No I was like well you know I realized right away That either I can be quiet

My entire bit Or I can make a wise crack every once in a while And get bitch slapped I said I'm over the bitch slapping pretty quick But being quiet the whole time And not making these great comments that I make. I said, I can't do it. I can't. I'll die of cancer. I'll never make it through the

whole thing. Keeping that bottled up. That's not right. I got to let it out. I just got to get smacked every once in a while. I was just taking. She was just like, you're such an idiot. So one day I'm sitting there. Billy's seat was behind me and we're sitting there watching TV and you know, Billy said stupid, you know, people say stupid shit. And I remember this is the kind of stupid stuff he would say. And I'm sitting there watching the, watching TV and we were watching a country music video and there's a hot chick walking down the beach and and billy goes billy said something on lines of uh you wouldn't know what to do with that would you cox and i go shit i got a better chance of hitting that than you do and he goes

man i want to i want to fuck something i'll knock your uh your ass out and fuck you and i go shit billy i said i'm a little bit old for you plus i have my high school diploma and he jumps up and bam bitch slaps me like bam and i was like it so so hard by the way billy's like six foot tall and to something. What is what you and the six foot people? It bothers me. I'm five foot six and it irritates me. So, so, you know, I, listen, hit me so hard.

I, like, lean forward. And you know what I actually thought happened? I thought someone had walked. You know, people walked with their chairs over their heads. So I thought someone had walked in the door and dropped the chair on me. Really? Like, I actually remember looking around for the chair. I was like, the chair.

Like, they bounce. The plastic chairs will bounce, you know? So I'm waiting for the, it. to bounce back and hit me again. And for a second, I was like, and then I realized, Motherfucker hit me. I jump up, I go, you motherfucker? But, of course, he's also six foot something tall,

and I'm thinking, what am I going to do? He's going to kill me. And Billy's like, fuck you, you fuck you, you Chomo, motherfucker. And so we're yelling back and forth, and he just turns around and storms off. Thank God, because he'd have beat me like a small child. Anyway, yeah, he walked off. And so one of the guys looks at me and he goes,

bro, you okay? And I was like, huh, no, I'm fine. He goes, no, bro, you're not fine. He just go look in the mirror. I'm, I don't want to hear that. I mean, this is the moneymaker. So I go straight into the bathroom and look, bro, half my eye, bloodshot red. He blew up like the capillary or whatever they call that.

I don't know. I'll get correct. I'm sure that's wrong. I'll probably get corrected in the in the comment section by 60 guys. They're like, oh, it's actually your session, such, slash, whatever. So it blew it out completely red. So like the whole day, as I'm walking by the guards, I'm constantly turning, turning, turning. But keep in mind, 95% of the compound.

Either 50% in the compound are sex offenders. And the other 50% 95% cooperated. So basically out of every unit of 180 guys, if you do the math, you've got like three to five guys that didn't cooperate. So they're all snitches. Right. And all the chomos are snitches. They just didn't get a chance to cooperate because what are you going to say? You were on the computer like, poop, boop, bo, bo, pooh, pooh, like I got nobody to tell on.

Right. So what happens is by four o'clock count, they walk around. They do count right after count. They call, you know, Billy's name was like something, well, you know, it was William something. Anyway, they call him William Teleferro or so, William Teleferro or whatever. And Matthew Cox come to the officers and I'm like, ah, I walk in. And I walk in. I'm still keeping on.

I'm like, yeah, what's up? And the guy goes, no, no, no, no, no, cocks. Turn your head. And he goes, he looked at me and goes, it was a guy from SIS. He goes, he said, yeah, I heard you were in a fight. I said, no, I was not in a fight. Said, a fight assumes I said, a fight means that I fought back. I said, I was assaulted like that.

Billy walks to the door. And Billy's like, yeah, what's up? And I said, by him like that. Listen, I already know I'm in trouble. I said, by that motherfucker. That motherfucker. right there and Billy's like looked at me

and he goes fuck and I said and the guy goes they go man we got fucking they've already have they already got three or four people

people who weren't even in the room they got three or four people already have written statements we're talking about between between whatever 10 or 11 in the morning right and four o'clock

they've got like three or four written statements saying that there was a that basically they said they all were like there was a fight it wasn't a fight I was just assaulted you know

Billy's like yeah it was a fight so what I said it wasn't a fight stop saying it wasn't a fight so yeah you don't want to be in a fight because I could get shipped right you know I can't get I want to get shit my mom comes to see me fuck that fuck this piece of shit so I'm ready

to fucking cut your throat your head clean off your body you got a problem so by the time we got on the on the bus to be transformed he's going he's like bro just don't say nothing I go fuck you not fucking say I'm already

I saw I'm ready to say something. You fucking piece of shit. Fuck you, Cox. You know, it's fucking ridiculous. So that was when, was that when I went to the pen? When you went to the pen? I went to the pen shoe. Oh, yes.

I went to the pen shoe. Right. Yeah. That wasn't that bad, was it? No. No. Oh, the pen shoe? Yeah.

Super nice. The pin, like by the time I get to the pen, terrified. I mean, terror. Like, I'm sitting there. I'm all locked up. I remember they drove me from the low to the, to the pen. Right.

You know, the low, it's manicured. There's trees. There's bushes. They have flowers. Concrete. Everything is concrete. And I remember driving it. I was like, I was driving.

I was like, no manicured lawns here. And I'm sitting that two guards are keep looking back at me. The one guard like starts laughing. He goes, you're going to be all right. Cox. I said, I don't feel good about it. this. I don't get the war in fuzzies. You know what I'm saying? I don't feel good. He's like, you're going to be all right. I said, I don't know. I lived in there. You didn't see. There's no

trees. No, no. It's, I hated it. Well, I went to the shoe. So, I mean, I go in the shoe. And it's so funny when I got in the shoe, they had a bunch of guys in the, in, you know, in the rec yard area, or area of that where they let you out, not the rec yard, but the wreckyard for the shoe. Right. And there are guys, total faces tattooed, walking around. like chained up walking around that's standard that's standard oh my bro I'm looking at these guys

and I'm like they're like caged animals and I remember I look at the guard I go bro you can't put me in with one of those guys he goes oh no no Cox don't worry you're not going we've got a sell for you you'll be fine we're not putting you like I mean with nobody he's like we're not even putting you in with a low guy

you're going to be by yourself it's okay oh they were nice I walked in he goes now Cox I understand you like to read I got you some books he had like 10 bucks. He goes, I got you some books. I've got you some this. I've got you some this. I've got you that. I've got this. Your clothes are here. You're this. He said, this is your cleaning supplies. He goes, don't drink this. He goes, it's a Ajax. He goes, don't drink the Ajax. He goes, don't drink the Ajax. He goes, yeah, it is that an issue? He goes, yeah, it is, if you

feel, if you feel the Ajax. Yeah, don't drink the, like the clothes, they had the, oh, to make themselves sick? Or what the fuck? I don't know what they're doing. How do you even drink? Like, I mix up some water and drink it. He goes, don't, he says, if you feel suicidal, Or I said, bro, I'm not, trust me. He says a lot more people going out before me. I said, I'm good. I said, I'll make it through this. Like that, he was like, he started laughing.

He said, okay, listen, the next day, out of there. I spent 22 hours in the shoe back on the little. They ship, what's his name? Yeah, they put both the y'all out. Now, Billy went to the medium, and he was being released in like three to six months. So he did like three or four months in the shoe. They couldn't put him in the medium because he's a sex offender. Right.

And he cooperated. like it's like the triph-you know so he could have been at the medium yeah well i mean whatever anyway and he'd just gotten into a fight so they just released him you know such a piece of shit such a piece of shit like this is i hate look here's what i can't stand i can't stand hypocrites this guy went around actively chasing around sex offenders you're a sex offender actively telling if calling everybody uh snitches you're a snitch that's that is the best like Why, human nature does that. If you're cheating on your wife,

then the natural thing for you to do is accuse your wife of cheating. Right. Yeah, it's just for, you know, so if I'm a snitch. Longbendy Twizzlers candy keeps the fun going. Keep the fun

going. then I'm going to say I hate snitches because maybe you'll think that yeah, well, you hate snitches. In the way in the world, he's snitches, he hates snitches. And here's the thing. He was desperately trying to fit in in a compound where, one, you do fit in,

but two, you don't need to fit in. Like at the low, like there are some, like at a pen, you would need to click up, especially at the beginning, right? Obviously. Well, maybe. But I'm saying, well, I mean, I would think you would, depending on who you would.

you are, you kind of need to click up. Like at the pin, I'm saying at the low, you don't have to click up. No. You can not. Or really the medium. You don't have to click up in the medium.

Right, right. But I'm saying at the low, especially. Like, you with a gang? No. You know, I'm going to sit where I want to sit.

I'm going to do what I want to do. All you really have to do is don't gamble, don't borrow anything. Be respectful to everybody. You're good. Stay away from the punks. Yeah, exactly. Stay away.

Yeah. All the things. Don't try and turn the cheap TV. Just follow the basic rules. Like the TV is a big issue. Gambling is a big issue. Borrowing stuff is a big issue. And the TV's an issue.

Yep. You know, don't. Read books. Read, stay in yourself, get a job. You're going to be okay. You're right. You'll make it. I taught the real estate class for the whole time I was locked up at the low.

Well, I taught it at the medium, obviously, a couple years, about what, two and a half years at the medium. The whole time I was locked up at the, at the, at the low. I taught it. Wow. God, I was so, I was on autopilot. I mean, I would walk in, I would have to walk it towards the end. I was walking in going, what did we go over last week? And they would go, oh, we talked about this and this and this.

And I'd go, okay, that means. And then I'd start, because now I knew where I don't have a syllabus. I was so, like, I just, and I would, they're literally, I had to do that because there were times I would walk in and start talking. Right. And guys would be like, yo, Cox, this is what you went over last week. Like verbatim. I mean, literally, I had it, like, down.

I had the jokes down. I had the whole thing down there. And I was like, are you serious? Why did you guys let me get 10 minutes in? Oh, we thought you were going to do something? I don't know. What was the average size of your class? About 30 guys.

Wow. And, you know, it trickled down. As it went on. As it went on. I might start off with eight. Oh, yeah. No, my first class with guys were standing. The guys were literally standing up.

And then by, you know, halfway through, you're down to 20. And then by the last part of it, you've got 10 guys, maybe 15 guys that are diehard guys that really genuinely want to learn. But, you know, when I teach real estate, I'm entertaining. And I'm breaking it out pretty clearly. I mean, the real estate class, listen, I had it down so good. I literally had guys when they were leaving, stopping me and going, hey, Cox. man bro it was a good class shaking my hand like i change guys are telling me other guys are telling me on the compound they're like hey my sely come every time he leaves your class he comes in he says

man i'm gonna be a millionaire i'm taking cox's class man i'm telling you right now i'm gonna make millions this guy is i mean he was used you got these guys believing that they can make millions i'm like think about it and i used to tell them this this is being a drug dealer okay Converting that to real estate isn't that hard. It's because it's about the hustle. If you're a true hustler, you can do real estate. You just got to switch your hustle. These guys aren't afraid to go knock on a door and talk to somebody they don't know.

They'll do that. You get some 40-year-old white suburban woman, she's not going in those neighborhoods. She's not knocking on doors. She's not, these guys will. I mean, it's, anyway, so I had the whole class. down it was it was really it was a great class I could do a whole thing on that class it was hilarious but yeah selling certificates I was selling certificates I had a guy one time who wouldn't but go yeah of course you're selling sir of course you you have to get so many

certificates like you go into sorry I'm looking at you have like your counselor will tell you like one of the things that to help lower your points so you can get to a lower custody prison is you take classes you get so many certificates and they'll start to recommend or or lower your custody level or your, yeah, your custody level. So they tell you take a class, take a class, take a class. So you start taking your different classes. Guys would come in and they just want the certificate. It's like, look, man, I just want to get to a low.

I just want to get to a camp, you know. I just need to take two classes every quarter. I need four certificates in the next six months and they're going to lower my custody and go to a camp. There's a camp near my house. I want to see my family. Can you, but I don't want to sit through your class. And I go, okay, great.

Give me two coffees and two. creamers, I'll do all your tests, and you'll get your certificate. Cool. Fair enough. So I had this one guy, they called them Big Dummy. I hate to say this, but listen, it's the bulk of the guys locked up are black guys. So Big Dummy was a big black guy. Dumb is a box of rock.

Big dummy. Everybody called, you could say, hey, big dummy. Yeah, it was up. I mean, it wouldn't offend it. He wasn't a short, like BD or something? No, it was Big Dummy. Everybody called him Big Dummy. So he came in.

in and he never came to the class again came in once signed his name and then after about like never came to the class and then what happened was he you know you had to be signing in so one of his other buddies was signing him in and then it was a whole thing here doing your job yeah and then so he still missed you could only miss three classes he still missed like five classes so he comes up to me just before the whole, the, you're supposed to give your certificates, take the last class, and he comes in. And I said, and he said, hey, Cox, oh, you know, I got an issue. I've been going to class, but I understand that I can't, that I missed a couple classes. But I was there. I was, I was like, bro, you're in my unit. Like, you're in my unit. I know you've been one time.

I was like, look, you want to, he's like, man, how do I get a certificate? I said, okay, I'll sign in. in. I said, I'll sign in. And I said, I'll take the class for you. I mean, I'll take the test for you. I said, all you got to do is give me two coffees, two creamers. That's it. He's like, all right, I got you. So the last day comes, I sign him in everything. He's got a certificate. He didn't even show up to get the certificate. So I go to him and I said, hey, man, you never got me the, oh, he comes to me. He says, hey, man, I need my certificate. And I said, no, no, you never got me your coffee and Creamer. No, I got you next week. I said, no, bro, I told you you have to get it beforehand.

Well, yeah, I already got a certificate. He doesn't realize that. He doesn't know how it. He doesn't know that, though. Right. He's an idiot. And I, and he, he's a big dummy. Big dummy got a big bag, by the way. Every single time he comes in from commissary with a huge bag. Oh, yeah, he's a big dummy. He's just an idiot. He's just not going to buy it to me. Right. So, but he's not going to buy me my stuff. So he comes in and I remember said, hey, well, you don't have it. Where's my stuff? You never got it. And he's

like yeah man I got you next week and I said no what am I stupid I said no I need my stuff now right well I don't have it now I said well I told you I had that you had to have it before the last class well you know my money I ain't got my money right bro I ain't got no no no no no no bro you I see you're my unit I see you with the bags every time you came in from commissary I'm waiting for you to come give me my stuff well his extra money is what do you mean right and have your money so I'm like yeah no bro you're you're hit what you mean I'm hit I said you're hit you're hit you don't there's no certificate right and he said um no man i said listen bro i said look i got i said you know i said listen man man just just give me

i said i said go around to the store guy and get some coffee and i think he came back and he said man i got a bag of pringles or something whatever it was it was it was worth like basically almost nothing three bucks you know i thought it was worth like eight dollars that you're charging Um, no, it wasn't worth the same amount of money, but I already have the certificate. So I end up saying to him, okay, I'll, I'll just give me the, I'll take the Pringles. That's fine. And so I go in to get the Pringles and I give him his certificate and he's got my Pringles in his hand. So I go, here's a certificate. And he goes, and turns around. And I go, you know, man, get out of here.

And I go, what? I said, oh, are you fucking serious? And he goes, and he goes, yeah, man, what are you going to do? What are you going to know? I snatched the fucking, the shit out of his hands. No, no, I snatched the pringles out of his hands. And he went, oh, he was, give me the pringles. And I go like this, like I'm throwing.

I said, go get it. Boom, like that. And he, and his eyes go, and so I lean over, but I didn't throw it. I still have it in my hand. So his eyes followed where it should have gone. He's, oh, and I snatched the certificate out, and then I drop the pringles on his bed and turn around and walk off.

He was, you fucking con man, you fucking, mu, and he follows me in. So he follows me in my cell to grab. Like he thinks he's going to grab the certificate. And I go, he goes, man i need that i need that certificate man i said go get my shit no i said i need that i said go get my stuff i said i ain't taking them i want my two coffees and two creamers and he goes now you give me that that's my certificate that's mine i and i tore it up oh you should have seen him and i said this guy's huge by the he's a massive guy tall big and and and and he goes he

And he said, man, I got team. He goes, I got team tomorrow. And I said, I said, bro, I said, you ain't got no certificate? I said, you're not in the computer. I said, I put you in the computer. I'm the one that puts you in. I don't, by the way. And he was, oh, you fucking gone, man.

And he turned around and walked off, stormed off. So one of his buddies comes up to me like five minutes later and goes, hey Cox. Man, what's big dummy owe you? And I go, he owes me two coffees and two Kramers. he goes he said you tore up the certificate can you get another certificate and I went yeah I get him another certificate what about putting him in the computer I said you got the two coffees and creamers he's like I put him in a computer I said I put him in the computer he goes off he comes back two coffees two creamers and I said I'll put him in tomorrow what was it what was his issue

he just didn't want to pay I don't know he's just stupid and he thought and he had money and he thought he could just muscle his way soft white guy and he's not going to this and he's going to do it and You know, it's, there's always some idiot trying you. They're always trying you for something. You know what I'm saying? It's always get me that. So it's like, get me the, like, and I'm reasonable. I'm not overcharging anybody.

This is reasonable. Right. Usually it's under what you really could. I knew guys are charging 30 bucks for a, for, I'm charging what? Less than $10 for a, for a certificate. Guys are charging 30 bucks for a, and it lowers your points. You needed to lower your point. Right.

And, but there's always some guy who's like, you know, they give you a part of it and say, well, I got you after such an, stop. Stop. Don't do it. Don't. You don't understand how this works. I con you. You don't con me.

That's how this works. Not out of a certificate at least. Go to the store guy. You know, oh, they ain't got no comments. Go to the store guy. You know,

it's like they're stupid. Like they think you're done like, I've been here 10 years. Right. You think I don't know. So anyway, yeah. That was, that was fun.

Same thing. Selling the certificates. Just same stupid. Dealing with different, different types of people. Always some idiot. Well, went from the pen back down to

Jessup, the medium, which was Jessup, Georgia. And the Jessup was supposed to be, I don't know if you ever heard about them. They're supposed to be sweet. Yeah, Jessup. I mean, everybody wanted to go to Jessup. It went from sweet to sour.

It was it was basically Coleman without all the theft. They only have about, it's a light medium. It only has about like 600 people on the compound for the medium and so it's kind of like the chow hall is ridiculously small and and it was it was kind of sweet but i when i think about it i had absolutely no problem with anybody there at all

i mean none there was no now i seen fights that i thought was hilarious i mean there the inmates and the officers did a lot of fighting you know which which i thought which i thought was hilarious this, because the one fight, I think I was there about a week, and there was a fight in the unit, which I thought was, let me just tell you about it real quick, because it was funny. So these two guys are arguing about the television, right? I guess he's changing it, and so one's an old guy, one's kind of a younger guy. So the old guy's like, stop changing the TV, you know, and he's like, no, I'm going to watch this, I just want to see this end of this show, nah, stop changing the show.

the gv so the old guy swings at him and misses and the young guy gives him like a two piece and lights him up pretty good like in the eye so the old guy wigs out you know he gets composed himself and he goes to his room and he comes out with a knife and he says i'm gonna stab you right so the young guy like oh so he's walking around the unit so like the old guy's following you following him, man. He goes, like, he goes, like, look, he goes, before I go to bed tonight, I'm going to stab you. So the young guy is, so they're walking around the unit. So the whole unit is watching as this slow pursuit. It's not really a slow pursuit, but it's

probably a speedwalking pursuit about five times around the unit. Right. I guess the young guy gets tired. He tries to stop and put the chair in the way. And everybody's like, no, no, no, no, go, go, go. So the whole time you have to know this officer it's a ball-headed kind of a like real kind of cop type of officer he was a weird dude the co he's in the office with the lights off because he's asleep yeah the office door is open right so the young guy after three laps around around the unit he goes to the officers he goes into the office where the officer is right and he tries to close the door. So as the young

guy, as the old guy's chasing him, that's where I thought was hilarious, because as he's trying to close the office door, that was the fastest I saw the old guy move. That's when he, you know, he's going from a steady and he gets in the office and they're fighting

inside the officer's office. So the officer's up and he's spraying him and he's going, stop! Stop! He sprays him. lights up the whole dorm. But the old guy ended up stabbing him.

But they took him both out. He still got him? He still sat. But listen, the young guy beat him. Both his eyes were shut. But the old guy still stabbed him. In that institution, inmates fighting CO, probably about 13 incidents. It's unbelievable.

Like, we didn't fight each other too much. It was the inmates fighting the COs. I have, I got to tell you, only because you mentioned the officer. So there's this old, an old man off. There was an old guy that was actually my celly at one point. His name was Frank Smith. I used to tell him this, you know, that sounds like a made-up name. So Frank Smith was old.

He was probably 66, 67 years old. He was a sex offender. That, so he, um, there was an older officer, too, who was probably, in his late 60s, 64, 65. And it turns out that officer had moved from prison to prison to prison because of complaints from inmates that he was

harassing them, like sexually harassing him. So the officer one day Frank's walking by. Frank was in decent shape. He was in good shape. Had a white haircut or white flat top. And he was walking by and the officer goes hey hey man come here

what's your name and he goes Smith Smith and he goes how long you've been here he goes this guy just got in there maybe a few months

the officer had been here maybe three or six months and he goes he goes I've been here about four years four years he goes maybe five years he goes huh

you work out and he goes yeah I work out I work out you know he's got a bad back sometimes I don't work out but yeah he said yeah he looks like

you're in pretty good shape you work out when you're younger too he's like yeah yeah yeah I did I did and he's well what do you do he starts how well and I go in the rec yard I walk and I also do I do dips and I do this

starts talking to him and he's like and Frank said I mean I don't talk to the officer like he doesn't talk to the officer but the guy called him in what am I going to do and it's a low

you know and he's like so how much time you got oh he got this much time and it's like about 10 more years and he's like you know oh yeah yeah yeah it's a lot time yeah yeah yeah he goes and he's looking me up and down like checking me out and he says you know frank he said uh he locked up a man has sex with another man he said you've been locked up that doesn't make them gay and he goes And Frank goes, yeah, it does. Yeah, it does.

It does. And so, by the way, so when I hear this whole story being dragged out, being told, Pete, my buddy Pete and I are sitting at an area called Stonehenge. We called it Stonehenge. They had these round things with all these, all these benches. And in the middle, they had these concrete tables like this, but you had four and they're bolted, everything's concrete. So we're sitting there talking.

and Frank comes walking by Frank comes walking over and finds me this is the middle of the night this is like six or seven o'clock at night comes walking over he goes hey he said you're going to believe what just happened and I go what and so he tells us that whole story and as we're talking he goes can you believe that? I go what else happened? I mean you started he told me that I said yeah it does and he goes no it doesn't he said I mean you've been locked up a long time I mean you know I'm just saying things happen you shouldn't you shouldn't feel bad about that he He goes, I don't feel bad about anything. He goes, look, I feel weird about this whole conversation at this point.

And now, keep in mind, Frank was meticulously, like he was well-groomed. Frank's clothes were all, Frank had a lot of money. Frank in his, in his commissary account, had over $100,000-thousand-thousand-dollar. Wow. By the way, you were allowed to have that much. Oh, no, he's, it got really high. I mean, Frank had a lot of money. Frank said, me money.

When I got out. That's right. Frank sent me money. You told me that. You're okay? Two grand, two thousand. No, no, not him. No, he didn't send me that. He sent me like six or eight hundred bucks, something like that.

No, inmates in general sent me a couple thousand. Just inmates in general. Where it's like, they would walk across the compound when they'd see my buddy Pee, they go, how's Matt doing? And people are like, oh, he's good. He's doing this. He's doing that. And so when I was setting up my website, Pete said, when I Pete would call and he said,

what are you doing? I said, ah, you know, is the website going up? I said, I can't, Peter, I don't, I can't, I was still in the halfway house. I can't do a website. He's like, why? I said, because I don't have a computer. I don't have a, you know, I started explaining all the problems. He goes, what do you need?

And I went, well, I don't know, I need a computer. I need an iPhone. I need to buy Final Cut Pro. I need, you know, these are things I need. I need Photoshop. I mean, these, and he's like, what does it cost? I said, it's like a couple grand for me to even get to the point where I can put together a website. And he goes, it's just because I don't, you know, people are like, oh, you could put it up.

Not if you don't have a computer. People don't understand that. They're like, you should do this, you should do. How? They don't understand. I'm in the halfway house. Like, I've got an $80 phone that has a virus constantly. I can barely use it to call.

I can't download apps. It constantly has viruses. So, you know, I'm like, I need an iPhone. I need this. I need that. So I start going through the whole thing of all the things that I need. And Pete goes, okay, I'm going to get you the money. I was like, how's that?

And he goes, I've been walking across the compound. Everybody stops me and asks me, how are you doing? How are you doing it? This happens four or five times a day. He goes from now on, when they stop me, I'm going to say, you know what he needs? He needs a computer. He says he needs an Apple.

He can buy a use one. It costs this much money. He needs one. Right. Did I tell you, I ended up getting two apples? Phones or computers. Frank gave me $6 or $700 for, I think $6 or $800. I'm not sure exactly what.

Frank gave me that for an iPhone, my first iPhone. Like, I mean, these guys literally are a buddy of mine's mother mailed me his old one. Well, what was it they were planning on you doing? Well, you never finished the story about that. They just wanted me. to set up my website. I have a website called Inside True Crime. Right.

They just, look, you know me, we're friends. There's 15 or 20 or 30 guys, but everybody in general knew who I was. They're all reading my stories. My stories are being passed from inmate to inmate, inmate, and all of them are like, what are you going to do when you get out? I'm going to try and get these things turned into

documentaries, films. I'm going to spend the next five or 10 years pushing to get these stories made. Right. That's what I'm going to do. And so what happens is, By that point, I'd come out in the Atlantic magazine. I, like, guys, they believe in me.

They want to see it happen. All right, so that's what the... Right. You know how many inmates get out and they don't do anything. Yes. I'm going to do this and this and this. Next thing you know, they're working at FedEx. They've got a chick with two kids.

And that's it. That's it. What about the end of your story about the officer to come up? So he comes to... So Frank's telling us a story. Right. And he's like, yeah, he this, he that, he this. And I'm like, okay.

I'm like, so what you? you do? He's like, what do I mean to what I do? I left. Then I went, oh, Donovan Davis was there too. Donovan goes, I mean, Frank, that's an opportunity. And he goes, what do you mean? Frank's he's an old crotchety fucker, too. He's like, what does that mean? And I went, I said, I mean, Frank, you're not allowed to have, I said, the guy's, the guy's, he's gay. The guy's a homosexual. I said, you know, they've transferred him from another prison. And somebody else, Donovan's like, I heard he had been transferred a few times. He's a problem. Like, he's like, he's like, like the priests.

They move them around. You've had 15 parishes in 10 years. You're a problem. You're a problem. So that's what they're doing with this, with this CO. And I go, he's probably, I go, he's hitting on you. I know he was hitting on me. I said, right, so?

And he goes, so what? I said, so you got 10 years left, bro? What does that mean? I go, it means you might have to take one for the fucking team. I mean, you know, he's like, and I said, I mean, look. And Donovan goes, Donovan says, he goes, Donovan says, he goes, Donovan says, listen, at least give him a fucking reach around, you know?

He goes, give him reach around. He said, you know, I mean, what's the big deal? He goes, are you out of your son? He goes, what's the big deal? And Pete says, save the sample. And I go, I said, bro, I said, he's not on your shirt. I said, I go, Lewinsky him. I said, bro, I said, you got 10 years. That's a sex. I said, that's, that's rape.

And he's, you sick fuckers. And we're like, we're laughing. And I go, I'm telling you, I said, Save the sample. I said, I said, and Donovan's like, don't swallow. He said, fuck you, Donovan. He's like, save the sample. Sit it on your dress on your shirt.

I'm like, look, you, you come in it, you leave. You go to, I said, you, listen, what? I said, I'll write a letter to the fucking times. We'll get an article made. I'll get you the publicity. We'll get you out, Frank. Fuck you. I'll do the time.

You fucking asshole, motherfuckerfucker walks out. Listen, that officer talked to him a lot. lot he was constantly he got comfortable with him he was constantly yeah well the first time he talked to him when he suggested it because nothing happened to the officer he got boldened so now he's really talking to frank can you fucking you imagine i mean we were and frank would the guy would stop him and say to you and frank would say yeah what's up and then walk off and i'd look at frank and i'd go and frank be like fuck you i ain't trying to get nothing so funny All right, can we close this one?

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