Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Exposing The Truth About Prison Fights | Matt Cox True Crime Podcast

Episode Date: December 30, 2023

Exposing The Truth About Prison Fights | Matt Cox True Crime Podcast

And he's giving the spiel, like, listen, like the battle speech, like not all of us are going to make it. Right? So all the thing I hear is we're going to war with the DC car. So I get in the cell and he's like, all of us ain't going to make it. He goes, and some things are worth spending the rest of your life, or giving your life a. But one thing ain't going to happen, man.

People ain't going to just do us any kind of way. So y'all get ready Friday morning They're going to meet them on the rec yard We got a day to half call your people Let them know because this is been to go down So I said hey I have a question Right

So yeah what's up man I said Why are we going to war I said what happened I go ain't nobody ever told me what happened Why are we going to war I asked me to put his head down because one of them dudes

Hey this is Matt Cox and we're doing a Zach and I are going to do a podcast about I want to say funny prison stories or just really just prison prison stories I mean that's definitely not the life but it's a different life

and we feel it's worth exposing because there are things that happen that We thought we're hilarious. You don't really like watch YouTube, but there's a lot of guys that have YouTube channels. And all these guys that, you know, not all these guys, but I get a lot of guys that are like, you got to tell prison stories. You got to, okay, listen, I don't have the prison stories that guys like Wes Watson have. Like there's a guy named Wes Watson who's like, you know, and I told that motherfucker,

I told him you're going to go out there and put in some work. So I suitcase that shank. And I, you know, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, we were at war. And I went into the wreckyard and I stabbed that. And it's like, what are you brought up? I'm a white collar criminal. I'm not stabbing anybody.

What are you doing? You know, I don't have those stories. Like, these other guys have channels that are completely predicated on these horrible, vicious stories. And a lot of those stories, by the way, don't even happen to those guys. No. Like, they'll tell you, so there was this guy one time in the pen and his name was Bobby. Well, Bobby, and then they'll tell you a story about it wasn't even him. It was Bobby's story.

may not even have known Bobby. He just, you told him about Bobby. Right. Because nobody can go through the amount of violence and riots and stabbings and all the things that these guys are covering in their content

in a span, in anybody's span of prison. And if you notice these guys, a lot of guys think that you and Bobby were buddies. No, I didn't even know Bobby. Right. Or I knew Bobby one time and he told me about a fight he got into a in another prison.

And now I'm telling that story on YouTube. As if it's your own. Right. And I don't want to do that. Like, I don't want to tell somebody else's story that, you know, a third party story. Because every time the stories always continue to get diluted. Some of the urban legends and, you know, the riot of 2008 and, you know, like all the things that,

were you there for this? And, you know, it's all ginned up. And like, both of us started off at the medium. Right. And so the people would come there and tell us, oh, man, if it was a pen, you. this was a penitentiary these kind of things wouldn't go on

and all that's not the case but you know different because you went to a pen eventually that's exactly right we both entered we both entered prison on bank fraud charges at the medium

at the medium yes only I was a good in me and I got to go down Zach went up which everyone wasn't my fault I know everyone thought it was quite a feat

when I got to the pen people go um you started off at the medium yes kind of went in the wrong direction but so so what did you get what when did you actually get to uh to coleman i think i i arrived at coleman in april of 2008 and um like that was my first that was my first time in prison i had been in county most time all the time i did was in county jail so that was my first bout with prison and then to enter there with like 16 years was insane so once i got there i just kind of told myself well what i'll do is like i'll click up with people who have similar crimes right you know because i hear a medium prison it's it's not super violent there's a little

violence but you can avoid it which was kind of accurate so right it was my goal to meet up with people with because i'm like this is the feds so i'm not dealing with some crack kid on the corner to the cop pick. Yeah, these aren't guys that are that are breaking into people's houses and and stealing purses. These are supposed, well, it's supposed to be people who organized and put criminal organizations together or had their own business and we're doing different things that might be on the level upon which I was accused of doing, accused of doing, right? So I'm, I'm thinking this is going to be a graduation. And unfortunately, it didn't. There's There's still a lot of crackheads.

There's still a lot of guys. Yes. Yes. It's still a lot of idiots. So when I'm at Coleman two months and of course, like your arrest was televised, I'm sure you've covered that. And when you got to Coleman, it became a big deal. Like every, because everyone knew me as a, as the fraud. Right.

Oh, you know. And there's not a lot of fraud guys and mediums. Right. Go ahead. It's not. Sorry. So they're like, hey, hey. Matt Cox is here.

I'm like, what? They said Matt Cox. I knew of you because of articles that they ran in the Tampa paper when they were looking for you, right? And I'm like, oh, now this dude, I remember saying to myself, this dude knows what he's doing. Like I actually idolized you. I'm like, this man knows what he's doing. Didn't you tell me you actually told your wife? I told my wife, I go, I would love.

love to meet this dude, but the only place I'd meet this guy is federal prison. And guess what? A couple years later. Bam! Wow. Fate just brought it together. So my point is, I hear you're on the compound, and I'm like, where is he? And so a buddy of mine, I guess his name was Sheldon, we were trying to remember.

I know it was Sheldon. I'm telling it. I think it was definitely, his name was Sheldon. He had a mullet. He had a mullet. He was a complete weird gun. Like, mallets are coming back now. No.

They weren't, they weren't then. Like they were, they were, they were, in 2008, they weren't coming back. No, no. In fact, the rumor of them coming back was kind of put the rest. So he told me he could arrange an introduction. I said, get out of here. I said, please, please introduce me to the infamous Matt Cox. Now, of course, you've been on the compound a couple of weeks, you know, and I don't know what's going on

in your world. Like, what was going on in the first couple of weeks you got there? Yeah, so I got there and essentially I'm a soft white guy and I get to... Marshmilla, I think, is what you called you. Yeah, I get to, you know, the medium. Spongy, I think. I get to the medium and like literally within the first or second day, I've got guys coming up to me going, hey, can I talk to you for a day?

What kind of guys? Black guys. Big black guys. Of course. Like your worst nightmare. Only, you know, only like a little white guy's worst nightmare is to like get a cellie who's like six foot two black guy that that is like aggressive. But these guys weren't aggressive, you know. They were kind of romantic.

They were trying. They were like, I can light some candles, put on some soft music. Why don't you come to my place around seven? What's going on? A little mobbing gay. So highlight on gay. So these guys, this guy comes up to me, he's like, can I talk to you for a second? And I'm like, yeah, what's up?

And he goes, let me talk to you over here. And I walk over and I'm like, what's up? Let me talk to you over here alone. And I went, oh, bro, what's up? Like now I know something's wrong. You want to try to get me into the corner? Staying where the camera can see me. So I'm like, what's up?

And he goes, uh, oh, you need anything? Like what? And he's like, oh, you need anything. Like you need a tennis shoes. What size you? I'm going to get you some tennis shoes. No, I'm going to go with tennis shoes. You ain't got no tennis shoes.

You got tennis shoes? What's up? I threw a little... Which is probably not a good question. Listen, I threw some bass in my voice. I'm like, yo, what's up, man? What's up? What's up? I'm standing up straight, pull the shoulder back.

He's still six, two. So they're like, oh, I get you whatever. Whatever you need, bro, I get you. I take care of you. I can't... Whoa, whoa, that's awfully friendly of you. Why? What, you know, to what do I?

deserve this this friendship i'm just saying you know i'm looking for me a friend and i went that seems like a friendly place i'm sure you'll find a friend like now i'm realizing the way you're talking to me is uncomfortable and and so and he's like i'm just saying you know you uh you uh and he started like in prison you know gay guys are punks he's like you you you i'm saying you you you a punk i mean you gay right and i went no no absolutely not because look on the masculine scale Like, I'm not a 10, you know, I'm like a five on the masculine scale. But in prison, I'm a two because the scale's skewed. It is skewed.

And it's skewed by the way you talk because I had the same accusation. Right. Right. But it's just the intelligence equals, I guess, weakness or gayness in a prison setting. Right. I'm still saying please and thank you. I'm still, you know, what a mistake that was. I'm still acting like a civilized person

And these guys are just Ridiculous The change in culture is shocking Right You're like shocked And it takes years But it does it slowly changes you So this guy

I'm like yeah yeah bro I'm good I don't need nothing No not gay Pass it around We're good No I'm just saying And I just walked off

Look the next day I'm walking on the compound Some big black guy no offense you know i'm not saying i'm not making a i'm not making a uh an accusation another big black guy comes to me and says hey talk to you for a second i'm like uh i'm walking in the rec yard well well yeah what's up i walk in the kitchen man i'm just saying if you need anything let me know i went okay okay i'm saying you don't need anything like i get you anything like bro you need some shoes i take i'm like shoes in the kitchen what he's like i'm saying someone they want you

they want you bear foot yeah i got you know he's i'm saying i mean i i get good money i make good money like I get money sitting it's like you need anything man you know what I'm saying you need them no bro I don't need nothing I'm good I'm good you just give me a list let me know like what do you give you I'm good thank you no keep walking another guy man let me talk to you let me talk to you myself for a minute and I remember this one you remember the guy bear I remember bear two there's bear is hangs out bear had bear had a bathrobe didn't he yeah yeah so bear also had a bunch of buddies that he hung out with and there were a couple guys standing by his door

and another couple of his buddies standing over here and I'm and Bear says can I talk to you and I walk out to the rail this is on this top tier I walk over the rail and Bear goes let me talk to you in myself for a second and I'm like well why what's up well let me talk to you in myself for a second and I look and I can see a couple of his buddies

off to the side and I can see a couple other buddies to a side and I remember I grabbed onto the rail and I went no I'm good here bro because I remember thinking right now they could try and rush me and pull me in the cell like in the cell there ain't no fucking camera like there's no camera pointing into the cell

so and I remember I said and he looked at me he goes he goes man let me just I said no I'm good here he's like man let me just talk to you in myself for a second I looked at him I said no bro he was what will you think I'm going to try something I said if I don't go in your cell I don't have to find out

what is it you need bro and he went A lot of base then. Oh, I'm ready to jump over the fucking. I'm ready to jump over off the top tier. I'm so concerned at this point. I'm just saying, man, you know, I got whatever you need, bro. I got marijuana.

I got whatever you need, man. I can get you like I got, you need some tennis shoes. I see you walking around in the boots all the time. Man, let me give you some tennis shoes. I said, no, bro, we're done. We're done. I said, now we're done. I said, I'm good, good.

Just, no offense, leave me alone. Not interested. Not going to your cell. Don't need anything from you. I'm good. I appreciate it. I didn't even walk away right away because I didn't want to let go of the rail. I waited until he kind of turned a little bit to look over at his buddies.

And I turned around, grabbed with the other hand and kind of walked along holding the rail. Because I'm that concerned. Scared like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Remember how the showers were right in the middle of the, like you take a shower? Guys could actually go up on the top rail and look down on you taking a shower. I never even knew that.

Yeah. Remember how the showers were in the way. I remember how they were, but I didn't know people could look. Oh, yeah. And I remember seeing you could look up at the top rail. Yeah, but they can go up there and look down on you. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, it was, you know, the whole setup ain't good. But keep in mind, you really, there were places you could be alone. Like you could, there was no cameras, but very few. Um, anyway, yeah, I'm definitely staying in, in, in front of the cameras. First few days, first couple weeks, I didn't even go in my cell unless they were locking the door. They were locking the door. Because I didn't know what. what was going to happen. Like, it's a bad situation. Then I'm in the rec yard one day, and you come up to me. Well, at that point, like I said, I heard you run the compound. So I'm like, this is the opportunity. And then they pointed them out, like, there's Matt Cox. Sheldon.

I'm like, whoa. So then I'm walking up, smiling. I'm like, hey, Matt Cox, come here. Let me holl at you for a second real quick. I go, hey, I heard you and I got a lot in common. And you just got to went, oh, Jesus, Jesus. And walked off. Well, stormed off quickly.

But anyway. Yeah, then Sheldon. Y'all ever give up. Sheldon comes up to me. Yeah, I remember thinking, is this, is this what the next 26 years is going to be like? I mean, these guys can't take a hint. Like, all of them. Even the soft one like you.

But anyway, go ahead. And then I remember the next day, yeah, Sheldon came. It was like the next day or day after. Sheldon came up and said, look, I got a buddy of mine wants to talk to you. and I want to make an introduction. I go, why? Because now I'm so specific of everybody. Black guys, white guys, Hispanic.

Like, I'm not here to make friends. I don't want to talk to anybody. I don't trust anybody. And so Sheldon's like, I got a buddy that wants to talk to you. And, you know, I would like to make an introduction. I went, why? He's like, well, I mean, he tried to talk to you the other day. And he said he walked up and started to say, hey to you.

And you just walked off. Like, he thinks maybe, like, maybe you're prejudiced or something or something. I don't know. And I looked at him. I went, was this a black guy? He's like, yeah, yeah. And I go, what does he want to talk to me for? And he goes, he's here for fraud? I went fraud. And he goes, yeah. And I go, where is he? Why didn't he start with fraud? Like, and then I tracked you down. We started talking and hang out. I know. And did never, we never got along after that. But I remember, that's the thing about the Sheldon crack was a Sheldon was 100 and probably 145, 5 foot 8 or not. 145 pounds Mullet had a mullet White guy With the spiked top

Ridiculous With the spike top Had I mean just look just straight white trash And just a complete like nerd A white trash nerd Gun gun advocate Yeah gun nerd He's moving to Alaska so he can have a gun

Like I'm always going to have a gun Yeah no matter what Yeah And I remember one time I mean just a complete geek And I remember one time I was there and Rees was there, this guy we know.

And so Rees was there, and I remember, and Sheldon goes, they're talking about something. Somehow or another, Sheldon ended up saying, you see these? These are lethal weapons. And Reese goes, those are dick beaters. Which are also lethal. Don't, don't, don't,

don't overestimate yourself, Shelton. Yeah, but Sheldon would. Meaning he had fast hands. but Sheldon and real quick like I told you earlier you didn't know this but Sheldon actually when he got out he had another buddy that was incarcerated that buddy was like hey go to my here's the address where my wife lives

so when you get out of the halfway house like you can go to her she'll help you find you a place to stay help get your car the whole thing Sheldon goes there talks to the guy's wife she lets him stay on the couch for a few weeks and then so the guy's calling home and like Sheldon's there like hey yeah I'm here I'm getting a job I'm this she's

helping me out I appreciate it appreciate it after a few weeks the wife stops answering the phone guy keeps calling calling calling after like another few weeks finally the wife opens or I'm sorry finally the wife answers the phone and says don't call anymore I'm with Sheldon now and hangs up the phone on him you know man I mean listen out of anybody that I wouldn't want my wife to leave me for it's Sheldon it that it's first leaving me at you leave me at all it's bad enough if it was have you have to lie well it's of course it was a great looking guy of course he was he was a doctor what you know what I'm incarcerated he's a doctor I get it but Sheldon yeah no like no actually this is the guy embarrassing yeah it's embarrassing don't tell anybody that

that please no no not at all so unfortunately for me right I got into the middle of some controversy at the at the at the coleman medium right right but you you stayed on the right path and went to the low yes yeah good times unfortunately for me i'm i take another road which involves taxes or something yeah well they say yeah they they they they say a bunch of guys got grabbed yes and some of them said that you were helping or organizing guys to file for the drop for false income taxes, which is a combination of identity theft and, of course, fraud against the United States government, which you didn't do. But these guys said that you were involved in it. Here's the reason, not only because I believe Zach, but also the time frame

that I know this happened, literally Zach had gone to court fighting his sentence, went to court, was gone for like, I always say you were gone for like eight months or 10 or a year or something, how long, 10 months. So gone for 10 months. I actually moved to the medium. He showed up, I went to the low from the medium. You showed up like a month later, right? Like two weeks later. Oh, two weeks later. Yeah. So we missed each other. Yeah, because you wrote my sister. Right, right. And I remember too, she wasn't, she wouldn't pass letters anymore. That was like, she was like, that was like one letter. You wrote me a letter back. You were like, look, I had to beg my sister to pass the letter. long she's not going to she's not going to do this right um instantly right so um it was only a few

weeks later when you got grabbed like there's no way for you to have organized what they said you were doing within a few weeks like i got got back to the medium and boom a month later i'm collecting taxes i'm doing this i'm doing it's not it's not possible right but they they clearly put that on me right anyway it was it was all botched right whole thing was but it went on your jacket it went on my jacket well because they couldn't get criminal charges right like because i talk about it with a couple people i still stay in touch with they decided to just dirty up my jacket and send me to the pen right matter of fact when they sent me to the pen on the the day that we were packing out i'm asking where am i going and they told me you're going somewhere where you won't ever

think about filing taxes again nice exactly what they told me i'm like good times hopefully it's home I don't know. So you went to the Pimp, you went to what? USP Beaumont. Right. Which if in your guys in the prison system actually call it Bloody Beaumont. Bloody Beaumont. Yeah.

And, um, yes. So fear level up, up to here, I'm terror, needless to say, I'm terrified. Like the, like, I'm hoping it takes me six months to get there so I can like get my mind adapted. Right. Right. I spent a week in Tallahassee, right? in the morning, I left Tallahassee that morning,

hoping that I'd be in Oklahoma maybe a couple of weeks. Right. And I arrived at Beaumont that night. Fastest transfer ever. Matter of fact, I probably would arrive at Beaumont the same day I left. That's how fast they'd get in there. You know, so once I get there, I'm terrified. So I'd say I got to put bass in my voice.

I got to sound tough. I'd already figure out my plan of sounding tough so I can make it in the pen. Now, some of the people I would wit for us soft people who are at the medium, they were telling me, just get there and check in. Just get there and check in. Meaning, just go into the whole protective custody as soon as you get there. For what? The next 10 years? Yeah, that's what I'm saying to myself.

I'm like, well, I'm not a coward. You know what I'm saying? I didn't really cooperate. My paperwork straight. I didn't really cooperate. So, I mean, I don't understand why I would have to check in. Why couldn't I just walk? Right.

But logically told me that I'm kind of smart. so I'll act like I know the law I'll make myself invaluable to the people and that way they'll make it hey hey don't hit him he's the law man he can help me get out don't mess with this one that's what Pete did my buddy Pete

he said you very have to very quickly have to figure out if you're not in a gang and you don't want to be in a gang you don't want to do this you have to figure out what makes me valuable so nobody bothers me

exactly so that was my plan so I acted like I knew the law which horrible mistake because then I have to listen to a bunch of people that there's some upticks I can walk the compound then I have to listen to a bunch of idiots right but it worked out

so that was my claim to fame of surviving at the pit but you really don't know well you do know some you did a lot of your own legal work in the medium so you know some of the basics listen I learned that day one from Barrington Barrington did my 2255 for like

$300 Barrington right yes and I learned from him so it's it's kind of of like on the fly. So what I picked up and learned, because honestly, the first day I went for law, I like looked in the computer and I'm like, can somebody tell me how this applies to my case? Yeah, that's bad. Literally that's how little I knew about it. And to two years later telling everyone I'm a legal genius and pulling it off. So obviously at the Penn, I got into a couple of confrontations.

Right. And that's kind of like what we were. So it wasn't smooth sailing. No, it wasn't smooth. It's not as bad as the stories that they make it out to be. Right. You know, but it's bad because I would say I witnessed, I myself witnessed about three murders where I heard the person died, where I've seen the person attacked and laying there.

Right. And then I heard they died. And the whole time, I was there for six years. And the whole time I was there, I think 18 people died. So I've seen three. But look, I was there during two hurricanes where there was no water. That was the worst six years of my life. That was the worst six years of my life.

Now, including your marriage? Including what? Your marriage? Well, that was pretty well, that ended up. I always say that my marriage. In the beginning, it was awesome. My marriage prepared me for prison. So it's like, you know.

What was it like for you when you left? What, at the low? Yes. I mean, it was, it was going from the medium to the low was like going from, you know, sleeping on a park bench to going to like a five star to go into like the Ritz Carlton. What are you talking about? I was like, it was a cleaner or something? No, no, actually it was, it actually there were, you know, how, you know what was worse? It was worse because it was an open bay pod that sucked.

Like at least you had a, at least in the medium you had a room, you know, you close the door. It was quiet. It is never quiet. Like, you know, when you talk to people, they're always like, prison must be so lonely. I wish. I wish it was lonely. It's always loud. There's always screaming.

You're never alone. There's no privacy. I mean, like you're using, basically it's like the bathrooms, it's 180 guys per unit trying to, use five toilets and maybe eight showers and there's always lines and so even if you're going to

bathroom like you know you're taking a shit there's a guy on a divider it's not like if it's even its own thing there's a there's like going to the movie theater that's where you're going to the bathroom you know there's always a guy next yeah there's always um it's just disgusting and it and it is it's disgusting and it's filthy and everybody's screaming and hollering and you know

the cells are horrible and the whole situation is bad, but there were a lot more smart guys there. Does that make sense? Yes, that's important because who you, you're probably the best person I affiliated with in the medium. Yes,

because like I could relate and have a conversation. Everybody else was, I mean, but you helped me when we were teaching GED. I mean, you remember the guy that it's like, hey, I don't know how to add and subtract.

And remember we asked him like, You don't know how to add and subtract. I remember. How do you make? I mean, what about change when you're getting changed? Oh, I let my bitch count it.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was like, you go, what if, what if she counts it wrong? I put that pipe on if she count that shit right.

No, I'm saying. We and Matt look like, well, that pipe will straighten them out. That will straighten the bitch. Do you remember the guy? When I first,

when I first got there, when I was doing the GED and I was trying to teach the guy how to do like like just basic just fractions like basic math and we were like it's like an hour in and he just could not get it like he'd been in a car accident he had a scar he was a Spanish guy and so he just couldn't get it and I went and he's like I was like you're just not grasping this and he's like I know man I got you know I was hitting and in the car accident and he's going through this whole thing I said yeah honestly bro you he's what should I what do you think I should do when I went I mean, I think you should go to the back to the unit.

And I said, because, I mean, some people just, they're just not going to be able to get certain things. And so I was kind of explaining it. And it's not, it's not, you know, it's not a judgment or anything. It's just some people just don't grasp everything. And, you know, it's, you're not going to get your GED, obviously, and that's not going to happen. And, you know, they were in the skills class anyway,

or they weren't going to get it. So I remember he was like, I should, so you think I should go back? And I was like, yeah, I was like, Zach, I was like, this guy's just going to have to go back. And I tried to explain to you. and you went no no he has to stay here like you don't get to excuse them what are you doing i'm like no no he's not going to get it he's like it doesn't matter that he's not going to get it he doesn't get to go back to the unit he has to stay here keep trying i'm like no he's never

going to get it zach he's like none of them are going to get it there's some of them some of them did but they just didn't care and i like the i like the guys that were honest and we're just saying listen bro i don't need this because i'm going to get out in about a year and I'm just going to sell drugs. Like, at least he's honest. Like, at least he's, he's like, I don't want to learn this because I'm just going to go back to selling drugs. This is my life. I get out.

I sell drugs. I come back. I get out. This is it. That's it. Like, at least he's honest. And the yo-yo effect works. I guess out in, out in.

So, but yes, so you learned the type of the caliber. So the caliber at the medium from what we knew from the teaching the GED. Sorry. I keep thinking about. I was thinking about some of the things that these guys did. Sorry, sorry, that they would say and I would always look over at Zach

and he'd be like, you had to write three letter words and the guy had written like, it was like dog, cat, he wrote, what do you say, fit? And we were like, fit like, like to work out fit? Like, you, he's like, nah, fit. And we went to do it.

Yeah, he goes, we're like, he goes, use it in a sentence. He goes, I fit and go back to the unit. I fit to do it. And I looked at Zach and Zach goes, I mean, it works. We had a blast. That's the stupidity. Like a lot of times we just sit there.

We look at each other like push past it. Just push fast. Push past the stupidity. It's big. Just step around it. If you can't step over, let's go around it. It was crazy. It was crazy.

But imagine meeting that same click of people, but more independent. And there's nobody to talk to. No. Very, very, very few. But I'm going to tell you what's the difference is with the ignorance of the pen, those guys for some reason have better people skills. Honestly, just to be straight up honest, their ability to read people is like above normal. They're ignorance of like maths, of basic things and reading super low, but their survival

instincts of being able to tell what people are up to or just to be able to read them. Right. Excellent. And so their instincts are excellent. Their intellect is horrible. So just being around them was very challenging. But it was, and so those type

of situations made things violent. It's like they would kind of predict like, you know, I can tell that you've got an attitude about this and we're going to have a problem. The moment they, I always say the moment they get somebody like, someone, the moment some guy who's like with a low IQ, the moment they get frustrated, their go-to move is

violence. Yes. Like they can't reason it out. They can't determine like they can't figure out what the recourses of going down this path. It's immediately violence will solve this problem for me. Immediately. I'll eliminate my issue immediately with violence.

Yeah. And so I dealt with a lot of, I didn't teach GED there. Like I said, I just did law work, but I dealt with a line. of those situations. Now, in the pen, what happens is where you're from is automatically clicks you up with certain people. Yeah, in a car. Yeah, so yeah, they call them cars. So you have to ride with certain people based on your, either your color of your skin, if you're in a gang, or from what part of the United States you're from. Right. So if you're not in a gang, you don't say, hey, I'm a Crip and you go with the Crips. If you're not in that, you can still go

there you don't have to join the gang but you need to click up with your car you need to be with different things all right so obviously when i got now i lived this was a mistake of mine because i i went to college in texas right so i could have claimed texas right which would have been a not a large step or a full step up from florida but it would have been a step up so i told him i was from florida now florida unfortunately has a lot of what they call jackers which are gentlemen that masturbate out these are are what do they call those guys that expose themselves in public flashers flashers so a jacker in prison is basically a flasher in action and there's and there's there's two kinds of jackers there's there's gunners which get up close to you and snipers which do

it from a distance yes and florida unfortunately for me florida had a lot of gun and snipers some some of them were versatile and could go back and forth You know what Colby's thinking right now. I could have been working for Graham's death. Go ahead. So horrible, horrible car for me to get in. Right. So I'm in this car and like this becomes an issue.

So when you're in a car, what happens is they call a meeting. Hey, we got a meeting on the rec yard. And a lot of times the staff let it go on. So where everybody from your car, so I'm from Florida, we all stand around. And one person will stand there and go, all, man, this is, what's going on. One guy will dictate what's going on. So one of the first meetings I went to,

all right, man, this was going on. We had a problem with Billy, Billy in the child hall jacket. So we're going to have to remove him from the compound. So all the new people that just got here and put in work, we're going to need y'all to put in work. So I'm getting pulled up like, okay, put in work. What do you need me to move some furniture?

I mean, I do the application. What do you need me to do? go, no, you're going to beat up and possibly stab Billy for gunning in the kitchen. Oh, no. But I'm like, I don't even know Billy. And I haven't seen him gunning, so I don't know. But anyway, so they send me and four other people

to take care of Billy. Never done this before in my life. Never done this. So if you walked in and I knew you, I'd be like, I'm going to be fine. It's just Zach. Well, believe it or not, okay, so believe it or not. Did you walk in with the glasses? Did you take the glasses on?

I had the glasses on. I had the prison glasses on. Oh, man. The Chomo 2000s? Yeah, the Chomo 2000s. Big fake ass like this. So apparently this came out funny because we were going to beat him up. So like I get with somebody and they're like, look, we'll get him down and you just kick him in the face.

Can't I hold him down? Jeez. So this was the plan, but the guy that led us, obviously, the Billy was kind of a tough guy, and Billy wasn't afraid of the guy that led the path. So we all got together and we're going to go tell him to check in. They were going to tell him to go and tell the officer his life's in danger to go check in, right? And that's what he's going to have to do. And wait, and Billy is in your car. He's up, he's from Florida.

So you're basically kicking out one of your own. kicking out one of your own. And that was the purpose of a car is to keep people in line. Keep your people in line. And if there was a problem between my car and another car, then both of us would talk and they would arrange whether the two people would fight in the different cars one-on-one or whether we'd go to war. It all depends on what the situation was.

Right. So I'm just giving you, because there was a situation where it was supposed to be a war. Right. You know, and believe it or not, because... Did Billy check in? What happened? I have a joke. There's a joke.

It's hard. I got to tell the story. Okay. All right. So what happened? What happened is one time I kind of prevented a war, which was crazy, but as I was there a while, I kind of moved up in ranks because I guess either I was level-headed or I spoke intelligently or whatever it was, or I would say what other people were thinking they weren't. But people get used to you and they give you that type of title or role. So for the Billy situation, we approached them and there was a gentleman that approached them that obviously Billy wasn't scared of.

So the gentleman's telling Billy, hey, hey, listen, man, we know you've been jacking in the kitchen, you need to go up top. So Billy's standing there. This is, we approached him. I'm sorry. He just come out of the child hall. We got him in an area where there's no camera, right? And he has his apple and he's standing there. And the guy is telling him, hey, his last name was kitchens.

Hey, you need to go up top, right? We know what you've been jacking. You need to go up top. So he's standing there and he looks at this guy. And he looks at all four of us there. Then he bites his apple. And he's chewing it, like, very animated, right? Ain't nobody.

Who said they saw me jacking? I want to know who it is. So the guy's like, listen, man, it don't matter who saw you jacking. You got to go up top. You're like, I ain't going up top. I have a fair hearing to find out who said they saw me jacking. ain't nobody saw me when I was Jacket when I was Jacket

I want to know who it is right so he's standing there eating the apple so I'm telling myself I'm like okay the problem is because the guy goes man this is really serious and I'm like the problem is he's not really thinking it's serious I go I don't I think he thinks he can whip all four of us because he's looking at all of us in the face like

are you kidding you're probably thinking are you kidding me they said the B team I'm going to get out of this But fortunately for all of us There was one A team member Standing next to Billy And he drew back And hit Billy

Co-cock in the side Knocked him completely out Boom! He hits the floor Apples rolling He's laying face down In the corridor The other two guys

Not the guy that was talking The other two go up Kick him in the face about eight times I'm standing there So they look back at me I walk over and go, no, no, no, let's go, let's go, let's go. I didn't even touch him, but I ran. That was my first call of duty.

I actually did nothing. Did nothing and got labeled as putting in work. Nice. Thank you. Thank you very much. Because I was in a car. Right. Within my first three months there, it was insane.

It was insane. Did you want to give a low story? Did you have any? A low story? Did you have any problem while you're over there at the low? What did I have? I mean, I only had the one where I was in the, I, you know, I, I had the one story where I'm trying to think of physical contact stories.

Okay, so, well, there was one story. There's this guy named, I think I've told this on concrete, but there was a guy named Ellis Cook. Ellis Cook had been to state prison two or three times. He'd actually gone to state, he'd actually gone to state, he'd also gone to trial. trial multiple times and when one because the state you got a chance of winning right like he'd actually won he actually when he was like 18 19 years old robbed another drug dealer while the guy was home like basically was a home invasion I mean you can get 20 years you know so he's looking

at 20 something years he actually broke in the guy's house and beat the guy's ass and the guy knew it was him because he'd ripped him off ripped him off the money back the guy called the cops they came and got him they basically said he broke it and stole money right um and he said but I know who it is and they went they got him he went to trial he won so but he'd been a trial several times been to state prison several times and so cook got to the medium i'm sorry sorry cook got to the low and i'd been there for years and we used to watch walking dead all the time in the the white tv room right because you have the you have the black tv room Hispanic and the white but the whites and Hispanics were the the minority so then you had the black the big tv room were it were

was the black TV room. So, roll reversal. Big blacks is why. So what ended up happening was Cook came in and Cook immediately started, you know, dictating everything. Like, because he was like, as opposed to the bulk of us, he's like a real criminal. And he had gotten there and immediately showed his paper, like walked in. Boom, here's my, like his deck sheet that shows like all.

your charges and what your sentence is, boom, minimum mandatory. I got, you know, armed career criminal. I got, I got 180 months. So I got 15 years. Arm career criminal. Okay, good. Like, guys are like, they're not even asking to see his PSI. And, but he was offering. He's like, look, Brooke, I'm getting my sister to send my PSI right now. He said, but this is my thing. So people saw that sheet and immediately were like, he's a stand up guy. He's a standup guy. So, right? So he's walking around telling people, calling everybody snitches and chowels and chomos and those chomos he can't he can't be coming in the tv room and he this and you have to think there's half of out of a hundred and i'm sorry out of 1800 inmates really 2,000 so really

it's close to 2,000 inmates in the low half of them have sex charges now they may not be there for a sex charge but so like let's say 30% are there for an actual sex charge like they actually got caught like looking at child porn right the other ones they are sex offenders on other charges or there's a rape in their past or there's a sex offense in their whatever they're there on another charge remind me i have a question to ask you about that i just remember but go ahead i'm going to let you finish okay so what happens is i want to watch the walk in dead we've been watching the walking dead for three or four years so what ends up happening is is um cook comes in he's been there a few like six months like he came in middle of the

Walking Dead. Cocky guy. So he... Right. He's just... But everybody's letting him do it. Now, granted, listen, he's a big guy. He's aggressive.

He's a, you know, he's a, uh, probably five, 10, 511, probably 195 pounds, 200 pounds, but in great shape. Like he's a, he's a, he's a wood, you know, he's like, he's a guy, works out every day. He's, he's in great shape. So he comes in. And, and so Walking Dead had just ended. And like the crew of guys that watched Walking Dead. within that six months started getting shipped

and moving or getting out and then it got down to where the top guys in the room that watched Walking Dead I was basically like me and one other guy were the top guys and everybody else that watched it were newcomers or basically sex offenders who weren't even allowed in the TV room

except to watch Walking Dead or they would come in there Cook didn't like that so when they're writing the they're writing up the schedule and everybody's like hey I want to watch this on this day and they're right in the schedule. I said, hey, Walking Dead starts on Sunday nights.

And he goes, yeah, bro, we ain't watching that anymore. We're watching Stone Cold Steve Austin. A skull ram, broken skull ranch. And I went, no, no, no, bro. We're watching Walking Dead. And he goes, no, I mean, we ain't watching that. And so there's a guy doing the schedule, but Cook's like sitting down.

Cook's like, we ain't watching that. And I go, no, we are watching that. And I could tell it. Cook, Cook's a fucking prick, bro. Are you? Yeah. I mean, where did the aggression come from. With who? With you. Oh, oh, no. Well, you know, obviously, I mean, look, I'm playing, in prison, I'm playing, I'm, you're playing a part. Right. The entitlement, you've been there for a while. I've been there. Yeah, you're thinking everybody's, but listen, I'm, I got this. Yeah. I'll shut up. Oh, yeah. Look, I got my little piece of real estate. This is my chair. That's right. My spot. Right. Like, I let somebody hold my spot. But when I want to watch, I only barely have watched TV, but when I want to watch this movie, like basically, you've got it 90% of the time, but you're holding my spot. And when I want to watch a movie, you're just hit. And when I want to watch a movie, you're just hit.

you can just stand up like but guys are you had you had street credit right well because i've been there so long i got you i'm just asking i'm asking so oh no it gets worse like cook and i go back and forth like cook's like no no we're going back and forth back and he's like no uh bro that ain't happening and i said it is happening i go do you know why it's happening cook and he goes why i said i go because i've been here five years and you just got here that's why it's happening oh oh yeah and he's he's all like he like snickers and laughs he says motherfucker you ain't doing shit i said okay we'll see i said listen come sunday i said i'm turning that fucking tv i said that's all you need to worry about so i said you can put your little thing on the um on the list or not i said

but the fact is i'm going to turn the tv i got up and walked off now by the way i'm not turning the tv cook would beat the brakes off me he'd beat me like a small child it would have been embarrassing the act was gone of course like you like you got around the corner like i mean how many times have you acted like a badass knowing i'm not following through all right i'm trying to push this guy get this guy, you know, look, I act like a tough guy in front of my girlfriend, even though both of us know that if push comes to shove, she looks at me and she's like, I will beat your soft ass. Like, like, she'll tell me all the time, she'll look at me and go, like, don't get her. Don't get hurt. But I act like, you know, I wish you would. I wish you would. She's like, she starts

laughing. She's like, stop, stop it. So what happens with Cook is, so over the next couple of days, I'm literally getting all these other guys. I'm like, listen, guys are coming up being like, bro, I heard you had an issue. I mean, we're still walking the watching. Are we watching the walking dead? We're watching it. Just do me a favor. We're all going to show up 30 minutes early, crowd the TV room. And they're like, and you're going to turn the channel. You're really going to turn the channel? I'm going to turn the channel, bro. I swear I'll turn it. They're like, you sure? I'm like, man, I'm going to turn that. Don't even worry about it. I'm turning it. So we show up. And then, so Cook even comes to me later in the day. I'm sitting there all

day posted up. So I'm sitting there all day. And Cook goes, he's making cracks every once while leans back and he goes, hey, bro, I heard you got your little team coming in strong 30 minutes before the, before walking dead. He says, I see you got your boots on him and don't worry about what I got on. And he goes, yeah, all right, all right. He's like, you know, you're going to have a rude awakening when I, he goes, when you try and get up and turn that, that channel, he goes, you will see what happens, bro. You think I'm playing. I said, I'm not worried about you playing. I said, cook, I don't give a shit. I said, there's one thing that's going to happen. I said, I said, I'm going to get up and I'm going to turn the TV. I said, and we're, I said, even if we both

go to the shoe. I said, we can watch it together because I'm going to yank that TV clean off the fucking wall. We'll watch it together in the shoe together. And so he's all, you know, and he's like, he's snickering and laughing. He doesn't take me serious. Everybody's, and guys are coming to me going, are you playing with him? Are you serious, bro? I'm like, I'm serious. Like, I'm playing it up. I'm not doing nothing. So just before. Oh, it's good. I was impressed myself. Yeah. I was like, I think I might even punch this guy. I'm not going like, hey, did we really You say that? Yes, we did.

Shut up. So as I'm leaving, so here's what happens. Just before, like, it's maybe an hour beforehand. I get up to leave and he says something like, oh, I see you got your boots on and makes another crack. He's got, make sure your boys got your boots on. Whatever he's saying. He works talking shit.

I get up to leave and he gets up to leave. And as I'm walking out the door, he makes some other crack. And I said, man, you need to stop worrying about whether I'm turning, because I am turning the channel. You watch. You ain't turning shit. I said, but I'm going to rock. I'm telling you.

I'll take that fucking TV off the wall. You think you're cute? So don't give a shit. I said, bro, I got like 10 more years to go. Can I give a fuck? I said, I'll pull that thing right off the fucking wall. And he looked at me and he goes, what did he say? He said, oh, then you're going to happen.

I looked at him. I said, you need to stop worrying about what's going to happen, bro, because I'm going to yank that TV, clean off the wall. And we're going to watch it. We'll watch it in the shoe together. I said, what you need to worry about is this, that when we get out of the shoe and they transfer you, you'd better hope they don't send you someplace.

out west where they're going to be asking for paperwork that you and I both know you can't provide and he looked at me and went because what I basically say if you don't what I basically said if nobody understands is that I just said that I know your paperwork isn't good I know you told on some people right like I know you can't go out west where they're going to ask you for paperwork for real for real like not not give you a pass because you came in and had a story that semi made sense they're going to you ask you for paperwork and you're going to have to prove that you didn't cooperate. So I said, hey, I said, they're going to send you someplace out west where they're going to ask you for

paperwork that you and I both know you can't provide. And by the way, when I look at you like this, I wasn't looking at him like this. I was looking up at him because he's like, like, like, like he's like, five, ten, five, eleven. And I'm like five, six. So we're this close. And I'm like, yeah, you better. You better. It's like not intimidating.

But I, and so he looked at me and he went, he kind of looks around. and he goes, does somebody say something? I mean, that was it, bro. You just fucked up. You heard the brand. Yeah. It was like, and I went, I said, I go, yeah. And he goes, who?

And I go, you just now. And he went, sat there and he goes, and he goes, oh, what? Brilliant movie. What the, I said, bro, I said, your numbers don't work. They don't, your numbers don't work.

I go, you're on, you're off the chart for criminal history. And you got 15 years. and he went sat there and he goes bro you know I'm just fucking with you bro you can watch that show he said I was just playing with you I said man I was just playing with you too

cook I would you know I was you know I don't care but I was I appreciate that he's like yeah man don't worry about it man I watch the show that's cool that's cool don't worry about it I said all right I said no problem he said yeah you know that's we're good we're good right he says we're good

right I said no we're good we're good he goes okay all right and he walks off listen he came in 20 minutes later grabbed his chair two or three of his little buddies that were also there grabbed their chairs and they all left it was just me and like a couple minutes later a couple of other guys walk in then a couple of chose walk in and we're all sit there and we what guys are like dang bro what happened i'm like no i mean he was just playing it's fine it's not a big deal a couple days later cook comes up to me was can i talk to you

in the in the uh in the wash room where they had like you know the mops and shit and i go yeah what's up he walks in and he goes you really didn't know i went no i said i always assumed he He goes, nobody's ever said nothing. I said, nobody ever said nothing. And I said, what happened really? I said, because your numbers don't make sense. And he was, fuck. He goes, what did I say?

I said, bro, you've been in state prison three times. You've told me about multiple arrests. I said, I know that your criminal history is off the chart. I said, you should have been at at at least 25 years. He goes, bro, I was looking at life. He was, I was looking at life. If it was drugs, yes. Right, right.

And, well, it was, it was, he was caught with meth and he was caught with a gun. And he's been to, oh, he's done. Right. and he sat there and I said so and he goes you know and he said so I go so you cooperated and he's like yeah but you don't understand what happened I said I don't need to understand like he's trying to you know they always like you don't understand it was my cousin Pookie Pookie told on me first and it did and it is and it's always some reason that makes sense and I don't care what you cooperate I could care less yeah it's retaliation yeah the guy told on me first I thought right I had no choice he was lying and in my they were threatening my they were gonna I only did it for my wife and a time how about you just didn't want to do it Yeah, I'm okay with you didn't want to do that. I didn't, I couldn't do life. Right. I couldn't do it.

Amen. Sorry. I got to spread it around. You've got to do five years. He can do 10 of it. You can do seven. Is it wrong? Yes.

And I feel bad. But now I don't have to do life and I'm okay with that. You know, because trust me, I can't be sitting for the rest of my life saying, yeah, I'm a stand-up guy, though. Little consolation when you can't make commissary. So anyway, he, so yeah, he said, I was like, I don't care. He had some stupid story. I don't know if you've ever heard this one,

where the guys will say that they buried guns because they knew someday they'd get busted and they would be able to tell the DEA where there were guns and they'd give them a reduction for the guns, but really, they were my guns I had bought and planted there. So I didn't tell on anybody. I just told them where there was something. Stop. Stop it.

That's a good line. That's a good line, but it doesn't work. That's not what happened. Like, that's a lie. Really? And those guns that you gave them resulted in an arrest? no no stop it helped further an investigation they were already working on no it helped okay stop but but i was like look whatever bro later on he told me what really happened um so anyway listen listen

even his the guy that got him messed up uh on his charge was also there so anyway that was one thing that almost like what did it come to an argument or not i mean a fight or not i don't know but it was always comical because i was that close to getting the living shit kicked out of me Another, I only had two other incidences. One, incidences? Incidents. Yeah, sorry. Another time I was, when I first got locked up in the cell with two guys.

In the medium? No, no. I was, when I was in the Marshall's holdover. Oh. I don't know if I ever told you this. Another eye incident, by the way. So I'm sitting there, I'm, we're, where, it's three guys in this little tiny room. No, four of us.

At one point, three, and then four is two bunks in a tiny little room. one of the guys and you're basically laying down all day you can't get up and walk around there's no way there's as soon as you get off your bunk there's a toilet that's it so the other time was like I was in the cell we'd been locked up forever and the one guy is bipolar

big black guy bipolar and so I remember I had gotten down to go to the bathroom and there was a mirror in the bathroom you know it's that shiny chrome And I'm, so I'm, one piece, the toilet and sink.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm taking a piss and I look up and the guys, I can see him looking at me while he's, while I'm pissing. No big deal. You know, you're, it's a small room. You got to look somewhere, but he's, you know, anyway, I glanced up at him and I don't think anything of it. I'm still pissing. And I glance up and he's looking at me again. He goes, what you're looking at?

I went, not looking at anything. You're looking at me? You're saying I'm a punk? That's what you're. saying that's what you're saying and he jumps up i'm pissing he jumps up what gets in my face while i'm going to the bathroom and i'm like whoa whoa hey hey you're saying i'm a punk that's what you're saying you're saying i'm a punk and keep on everybody knows the guy's a loose cannon right and he jams his finger in my eye and like oh and i went what the fuck i'm just pissing i go what the fuck and he's like

I ain't no bung, I ain't no bung. And I finish, zip up, turn around and walk away. The guy's like six foot four. He's a giant. He had to be over 350 pounds. I'm using a massive guy. Worked out. Every time they went to wreck, he went out and worked out.

Damn. So I get back in my bunk. He went for like the next 30 minutes or so. He's walking around like this, you know, flexing, pacing in the room. There's barely any room to pace. I mean, he's literally, it's like two steps this way, three steps that way, and you're done. Or you're tripping over the toilet. And he's like, I ain't no punk, I don't get me, I ain't no punk, man.

He's just working and I'm sitting there staring out. I'm sitting Indian style on my bunk, top bunk in the corner, waiting for him to come at me so I can wedge myself in the corner and just kick him back. Right. This guy's spitting, little bits of spit coming out of his mouth. The other guy that's in the room is down there. looking up like, fuck, like he's nuts. After a couple, oh, after like 30 minutes or so, he calms down. He goes and he lays down.

He woke up like an hour or so later, got up and said, man, I'm sorry about that, man. I just, you know, I, I, I, I sometimes are getting my head and I can't, I can't stop the, I'm sorry, man. I was out of line. I was, and I'm looking at him thinking, this guy's insane. Like, I had just been locked up, maybe a month or so. maybe I don't know might have it had now that more I think about it had to be had to be about a month maybe two months in that because I was in Atlanta so that was one time and then well I have you have yeah you have another one I'll tell you my other one which is funny yeah well the the one in the pin where I actually got well I want to say assaulted because I'd been in a couple of fights one was like over like I was just

changing the, after I'd been there a while, I was changing the TV and me and the guy's arguing and the guy's up in my face and I push him back and then we started going at it, you know, but that's probably even, because we were hugging and locked up. But the one time I was assaulted was like I had been there about two months and I had put something together because I was fighting my case. So I had put something together and I needed copies and I didn't have a copy card. So somebody told me that the woman working, this was in the library in the evening time, Ms. Green, he said, Ms. Green makes copies for inmates. I've seen her do it. I said, okay, well, cool. So I go and she's in there with another inmate making copies, right? So I said,

Ms. Green, is it possible? I can get some copies made, you know? And she's like, what makes you think I make copies? I said, yeah, somebody told me that you'll make copies for us if we need copies. She goes, that sounds like some lieutenant sent you and put you up to it. I do not make copies for inmates. I do not make copies for inmates. I said, okay, no problem. And left. I'm like, okay, I don't know what's got into her. So I go back and sit down. I go, hey, she want to make the copy. So I sit down and then all of a sudden, two guys approach me. Now, both of these guys are muscular, but one's kind of about 180 pounds muscular, and one's about 270 pounds muscular, right? And they come in and, you know, the 270-pound muscular guy,

he's just punching the air. Pacing back and forth. None of these guys are brilliant. None of these guys are brilliant. Right? So I'm sitting there, I'm looking, and he's punching the air, and then the little skinny muscular guy,

he kind of sits on top of a desk, and he goes, dude, he goes, how long have you been in the pen? I said, I've been here about two months. You ever been in the pen before? I'm like, no, this is my first time. He's like, dude he's like you just fucked us up i said what he goes we were getting copies from miss green

and you come in there and say that to her and now she don't want to make copies for us anymore that was our business how we were making money i'm like my bad man i go i didn't know he's like you didn't know it don't matter if you didn't know or not you just cost me 50 60 80 dollars i'm like all right i mean you don't think you get anybody else to make out he's like nah man no you're going to have to pay me my money you don't cost me my money you're going to have to pay me so I'm like okay explain this again

he's like you just walked in there on Miss Green said what you said now she don't want to make copies for me and I was getting copies made for multiple people on the compound and you don't shut me down you ruined my hustle yeah you ruin my hustle

you owe me $80 in commissary so I'm gonna bring you when do you go to stow I said uh I think I think I go next Wednesday. I'm going to bring you a list and you're going to get me my shit. So I'm like, okay. And I do that because I have to process. I'm not the type of person that like violence is not my first reaction.

And when someone tells me something that I can't quite grasp, I'm thinking myself, I need to process this because like I don't quite understand what's going on. So. Yeah, let me think my way out of this. To say, okay, cool, and walk away, I'm going to try and figure out what's going on. Right. How do I get out of this? Yes.

It's got to be a logical way to do this. Because all of this doesn't make sense. Right. What just transpired? I don't even know what the hell is going on. So as the week progresses, they bring me a list for $80. Like, okay, you need to pick this up. I'm saying, now hold on a second.

As I'm asking questions, I'm like, so you're saying I owe you money because Ms. Green cut off your business. Right. I said if she would have just changed the mind and decided not to do it, who would owe you money? You're like, well, if she just changed the mind, we'd just be out. But you would have made a change of mind, so you owe us this money. So as I'm processing and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm getting extorted.

Right. So then I told myself, if I pay this, this is probably the first of many payments. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm not going to pay it. I'm absolutely not going to pay it. I said, I might as well go to the shoe. I'm thinking I could check in. But then I'm like, you know, I have some skills.

I can hit back. I probably could take an ass whoopin. You know what I'm saying? As long as they don't kill me, whatever. I just make it out in public. And I'm going to scream for help like a bitch if it all gets out of hand. You know what I'm saying? I know how to handle this.

Right? So the day comes, I'm supposed to have the groceries. I meet in the library that night. And they're like, you got our food? I said, no. I don't. They say, well, and they make an excuse is for me. So I'm thinking I'm going to get out of this anyway.

It's a bunch of yes. It's a bunch of yap, you know. They're like, well, what happened? Your money didn't come in? You need some more time? What happened? Right? So I'm like, no, man, I just decided I don't think I'm going to pay it.

They look at each other and they leave. I'm like, okay, that was easy. So the next day, next night in the library, they come in, the both of them together, but the routine starts over. So the big guy's coming in and he's punching there. Little guy comes. comes, let me highlight you right quick, bro. So you cost us money, and you said you were even in the pay us.

Is that what's going on? I said, hey, listen, man, because in my mind, I'm like, this has got to be a joke. This is not real. It's a stand-up routine. This is a stand-up routine. So I say, listen, bro. I said, if my mistake cost you money, right, I apologize. You know what I'm saying?

but I'm not paying you $80 for some money you got in the come. I'm just not going to get in the middle of that. Right. So he's like, I'll tell you what. He goes, let me hollet. Let me holl at you. Instead of us talking and arguing in front of everybody, let me hollet you right quick in this other room. Stupidly, like, it played on my intelligence so much that I went into the other room.

You thought you could talk them out of it. Well, I thought it was over. I thought this is all a joke. This is not real. Right. So I go into the other room. right and both guys come in and they close the door then I come to realize no camera yeah no camera I come to realize I'm like hmm this just want bad I go when I came in here there was probably

about four guys in that library as lookout you know it's like the situation processed as now he started back talking he's like he go like he go unfortunately because he's given a spiel this is like I'm from the whoop your ass beer unfortunately we can't have have people thinking they can just do us any kind of way. No, he's in a spiel, but I'm processing in my mind. Like, this was a big mistake me walking in this room. And if other people find out that we let an MF get us in a situation, and I'm like, how do I get out of this room?

So that's why we've got to make an example of you. This is all processing at once. So I told him, I said, hey, so in my mind, I'm like, I need to get loud, right? And I need to get close to that door where that guy's punching to get out of here. So he's talking and I cut him off because I really I wasn't listening to him anyway. Yeah, yeah. You know what I said?

Because you're me. I'm like, hey, hey, hey, huh? I say, hey, I say, listen, man, I'm a holl at you all later. I ain't got time for this. Well, the dude punching the air, when I stop him, he stops and looks. and he comes over and he cocks me right in the like I watch the whole thing he runs over to me and he punches me right in the face boom I go down so luckily they're not kicking they decide they're going to bend over and beat like they're going to beat me up traditionally so they're bending

over to beat me up so I get in the fetal position but I'm yelling oh stop stop oh this is a by the way this is a library so it's a where I'm at is a back book room So I grab a cart full of books and pull it down on myself. So there's books. So they're punching books and everything to hit me, right? And I'm screaming. Wow. Then they go, hey, I hear somebody on the outside.

I say, hey. So the guy, the big guy that's punching me, he stops and he looks back. So I'm in the fetal and I look and I see him look the other way. And like an idiot, I punch it. Boom! In the face, he's like, oh, he goes down. But the other guy, they're beating me up. Then they both stop and they run out of the room.

well the CO comes in I'm bloodied they don't break anything I'm just bloodied up in the face you know bleeding from my lips and teeth what happened who jumped you who was it blah blah blah

I'm like I don't know who it was so they little Jimmy and Miami they actually you track them out right somebody told on them because they actually got them both and me and I'm the only one

that came out right nobody even liked those guys when they got the cameras they can see these two guys probably just ran down the hallway and it's pretty obvious like oh and it's a pin it's like what four or five hundred guys how many people were that like it was a 1500 it was a pretty big pin it was still somebody in the library is like that's thompson he's in b7 that's jim but but that was like my experience of being jumped but like i said the whole time i thought i'm like this is a joke i'm like what the hell is going on did you go to the shoe yes i went to the shoe for about a week What had happened is, I think SIS had told me that these guys, they've been jumping. And I don't understand how they've been jumping people because they were really lousy fighters. Like when I went down, this should have kicked me to sleep. But for some reason, they wanted to stoop down and hit me with their fists.

I'm like, what are y'all doing? This is not even the right way to do this. You got me down. You got me. Yeah. When I pulled the book card on me because I just grabbed, I didn't pull it when I fell. Like, when they're hitting me. I grab up and I grab it and pull it down on me.

So it was, it was strange. It was weird. But it wasn't that bad. What happened with those guys? They shipped them. They told me they were problems anyway. They were, they were into something else. They were bullying and that wasn't their forte.

Right. So this was just, this was just an excuse to get rid of them anyway. We knew they were into something, but this gives us an excuse to ship them. Yes. Make them somebody else's problem. The SIS guy was a black guy and he's like, you just got here for tax fraud. He goes, we're shipping. And he goes, listen, man, he goes, I've had problems with, he, he mentioned it, Matt, I just, I swear I can't remember.

Right. Either they were into tickets, gambling, or what, they were into something that he's like, listen, I've been wanting to get rid of those two idiots forever. Right. Thank you. Get out of there. So, and the rumor was I got extorted, but, you know, I'm like, I never paid it. Yeah. I actually had, look, so like I went to the medium, right?

Like, I never had any problems with the medium, right? Right. you know other than being attractive so but when I got to the low so I've been the low maybe two three weeks I think I've told you this so this this guy comes over and guys like six foot six by the way shoot like really tall muscular guy comes over I want to say his name was oh B they called him B so B comes over to me one day I'm in my cell with my cellie sitting there right and i was sitting there writing b comes what when you say to extortion it reminds me so b comes over he walks in my cell and i'll make this story quick he says he walks right up to me

i'm sitting in a chair writing you know i'm wedged between the but like he can't come too close like he's comes up and goes he goes hey i'm i'm already sitting down you're six foot six you're already a foot taller than me and i'm sitting down so i'm like yeah what's up and he goes he said this is how this going to work, bro. I'm going to give you, I forget what he said, 50 or let's say, let's say a hundred bucks. He goes, I'm going to give you a hundred bucks. He goes, I'm going to give you, no, here's how he's going to work. You're going to give me a hundred dollars with a commissary a month. He said, ain't nobody going to bother me or ain't nobody going to bother you. And I went, oh, yeah? And he goes, yeah. That's how it's going to work. He said, that's how it's going to work.

And I went, okay, so you got a list? I guess he was expecting some pushback. Right. I go, you got a list? He's like, nah, I, this ain't no joke. And I went, no,

I understand, you're gonna, you can make sure nobody bugs me. I give you a hundred bucks. Yeah. I said, well,

give me a list. And I sat there and I went, there anything else? And he's like, nah, man. I said, I would give me a list. And he goes,

no, what you need a list for? I said, what am I, I'm just going to randomly get you, $100 worth of stuff? I mean, what do you need a list for?

I said, if it's up to me, it's going to be like copy cards and like, you know, dandruff shampoo. Like, I mean, I need a list. I need to know what you want. And you could tell he was just like, something's really wrong here. And he goes, I don't know about no list. I said, yeah, man, you write up a list and I'll get it for. I go write up a list.

I said, make sure you put your name and what sell you're in to. And what you need that for? I said, well, so that I can, when I bring it to the counselor and ask him what I'm supposed to do about this, this six foot, six black guy trying to extort me for a hundred bucks a month. I said, so we can go straight to your cell. I said, and have a talk with you. And he looked at me and he goes, oh, that's how it is. You're going to rat me out? I said, of course I'm going to rat you out. I said, look at this compound. I said, there's only two kinds of people here. Rats and chomo's. That's it. I said, less than five percent of this entire, I said, less than 5% of the people here didn't cooperate. I go, this is a protective custody compound. I said, now, maybe you're one of the stand-up guys. I said, I don't know. I found out later, by the way, he'd been back to court like five times, four or five times

to cooperate. He started with a life sentence. So, you know, I didn't know that at the time, though. I'd just gotten there. Like, I'd seen him around, but I don't know who he is. I don't talk to this guy. So I said, I said, so. He said, oh, you're just going to wrap me out like that?

I said, of course, absolutely. Absolutely. I said, I didn't come here to make friends. I said, and I said, I will rat out anybody I have to to survive and get out of this place. I'm not here to make friends. I said, so give me your list. So we can all have a conversation. He was always, that's going to go bad for you. I don't give a shit how it goes. I tell you, what's not going to happen is you're not going to get your hundred, your hundred bucks. Now, luckily it was a low and not a medium. So he didn't attack me. He said, oh, they ain't going to work out good for you. And he just like walked off. Right. I never heard it from him again. Like I'm walking by him and he's looking at me. And I'm just, or I'm just not looking at them at all. It's like, you glance up to see him and just keep your head down, keep walking. Like, I'm waiting for it to go bad. Never did. Never did. What ended up happening was I actually had a two-man cube,

and I was going to move from the top bunk to the bottom bunk, and my celly was going to the drug program. It was like a month or so later. And literally this guy, so this guy named Rambo, who was a Puerto Rican guy, when my cell he moved out he moved in you don't just move in somebody's cell

you know what I mean like you know that and first of all I was supposed to go down so he moves in I'm furious and I go what the what the fuck's going on bro

what do you mean you just come in here and he's like he's like oh that's the way it is man Rambo that's the guy I'm thinking we got it he stored at you

but go ahead no no this is another guy all right so what happens is I end up going in and bitching and moaning and the white TV row man this fucking piece of shit

you know he this he that so I have this whole thing and these guys this one guy's like hey bro my cellie's moving or I'm gonna be leaving you can move myself said no man I can't stay one night I gotta figure out something out right now and the guy goes let's go talk to my celly so we go to I go to this guy's celly and I convince his celly who's a sex offender

to swap bunks with me right so while Rambo's taking a nap we actually move our stuff so now he's stuck in a room with a chomo which you know he ain't happy about it all so we swap swap them out and I actually paid this the sex offender I paid him 30 bucks like I went and got him $30 in commissary he was like oh what if you don't give me the commissary I said I'm not like that I don't give a shit what you're here for I said I'm gonna get you the $30 I'm not like these other guys I'm gonna get you the 30 I did

got him 30 bucks you know what it was bother me about that was that it was basically like 15 bucks worth of underwear and I know that when he was walking around the compound after that he was walking around the compound and I would glance over and we'd make eye contact and I know that he knew that I knew that he're wearing my underwear I bought you those underwear like it was a weird thing like if I felt uncomfortable after that did you did I what did you ever say anything about your no no at least now he had my fear is that yeah my fear is he's thinking he's thinking to himself I'm wearing your underwear you bought me you know yeah not good so but what happened was so we swap it and the guy was furious about it too bro like i mean literally was holly like everybody's laughing at him now like

oh you thought you were cute now you're stuck with chomo anyway what's so funny is so then like a couple days later i'm walking down the hallway and that guy b that tried to extort me right we're walking by by each other and he sees me walks up he goes hey cox hey cox and i remember thinking fuck this fucking what's gonna happen now i look up and i go yeah what's up he said that shit you did with the chomo and i go yeah he goes i was a veteran move bro veteran move and he fist bumps me and walks and he goes like you're all right and walks off that's a veteran move yeah we're buddies after that so it was with rambo who was the asshole yeah he's the same guy you know it's funny as B's the same guy he was Trump had been just become president right

a few months earlier and um B was bent over the the fountain machine drinking water and I came walking up behind him and he turned around he looked at me as hey he cox i don't like a white man coming up behind me like that and i said well don't worry i said six months of trump being president you're going to have your own water fountain and he went oh man he goes oh i said nice right right he goes oh he starts live he didn't know he was torn between that was a good one and hey hey that was a good yeah no i had i had a question about do you remember I think it was a chomo at the medium. It was a kid who looked like he was about 13, 14.

Absolutely. He had the shorts on. Remember that day? He had just the shorts and no shirt and sucking a lollipop. Do you remember that? The white guys came to him and told me he had to buy them all to stay. He had to buy them all tennis shoes when he first got there, right? Really?

Is that? Yes. Yes. Yes. And they moved him to the low. Oh, I don't know if he was there. When I got there, I don't remember. But wasn't he there.

was, what was it, he was making, they were making like, oh, he was getting, he was getting young girl, he wasn't a teenager, he was like a grown man, yes, yeah, but he's getting young girls. A girls or guys? Well, I don't know what he's, he's getting, I thought it was young girls to make pornoes with other kids and they were videoing. Wasn't that the crime? Like, hungry now. Now. Now. What about now? Whenever it hits you, wherever you are, grab an O'Henry bar to satisfy your hunger. With its delicious combination of big, crunchy, salty peanuts covered in creamy caramel and chewy fudge with a chocolatey coating.

Swing by a gas station and get an O'Henry today. Oh hungry, oh Henry. It was actually like... Because somebody tried to get him into laundry, and laundry lady said, I don't want anybody here with that type of charge. right right right she just like outright she goes listen she goes i don't want anybody working in here with that type of job that's exactly what she said but i i because i thought he went to the low because when i went to the shoe he was in the shoe the whole time and i heard them tell him we finally got you approved to go to the low his mom was going nuts i forgot his name bro he listen

there were so many of those guys there were so many sex offenders but you never saw him again No. And listen, if they could have, they could have run the whole compound. Like, they could have told you, you ain't going to the yard. I mean, there were so many of them, but they're all so scared and so timid and they're all, you know, they're embarrassed and they're ashamed and they're, you know, listen, but then there were some of them that weren't. Some of them are literally ready to argue with you that like it's totally acceptable to be looking at pictures or or talk or having sex. Like back in, you know, back a hundred years ago and you could be a 45 year old man. going to be having sex with a 13 year old. What's the problem? It was like, what are you doing, bro? You know, so it, some of them were just voistrous and it was like, bro, you understand that you're lucky you're at a compound because let's face it, if they went to like Yazoo or so, most places, you're not watching TV.

No. You're not even, don't even look in the TV room. Like, you're not coming. They would let these guys, just a, just a, medium had a couple of them. Right. Jessup medium had a couple of them. But I think the lows are inundated. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Holman low, it was coddled them. massive they coddled them who was somebody when I was in the shoe is when I met people I remember it was it was a Spanish guy told me that the S when you got there the SIS told them that they had it was like an experiment and they told you they said the SIS would tell him we don't think that you're right for this place there are only certain types of people we allow to be here and you have to be like very accepting they they coddled them at that Coleman low they coddle they that Because they had Conrad Black there. Yeah, they told me, they, they, they told, he told me, look, Cox, you're going to be all right.

He said, you're going to be all right. Just follow the rules. And as long as you don't have a problem with our indigenous population, he said, you're going to be okay. I said, oh, I said, that's right. I said, I heard you guys got like three or four hundred sex offenders here. He goes, no, it's like half. He's just like half the people here have sex offender charges. He goes, so if you got a problem with that, I said, man, I said, I don't, man, I just want to do my time, bro.

I just want to be left alone. As long as they don't bother me, I'm fine. I said I could care less. He was like, they didn't bother you? No, I was too old. You know, that when I shaved, you know, I shaved. They're like, hey, cutie. But anyway.

Yeah, so that was, so what was the other one? The other. Oh, my other story was the car story about the, where they all gathered up, but I had been there about a year and a half. So, after about, so really this incident, this is the one you have to use for the, try and figure out how to use this for the hook. Like this is, this is going to, this incident changed my statue because like that, your status or your status. Statue.

Yeah, statue. Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's not the status. Stature. Stature. Thank you. Well, like I kind of went from maybe follower to leader because so many people afterwards. said, man, thank you.

Yeah. So what happened? So normally they set the alarm that we're having, we're having a meeting. So if two cars are going to go at it, like while I was there, the Florida car went at it with the Crips when I was at Beaumont, which was, I had just got there and that went down. And there were stabbings involved. So people from Florida, we had to work it out. another time we went Florida has issues we went at it with the Spanish while I was there

against the Spanish against the Crips we against the Texas car and against the Northwest car so Florida would get into it these Florida guys had major issues so at one point we were going to get into it with the guys from D.C. That is actually the nightmare situation in the pin is the DC because the DC guys are so vicious well they're basically state inmates yes and and so they're all scummy they just yeah yeah because DC they don't have like a prison pot like if you've committed a crime in DC it's federal it's federal even if it's a misdemeanor you could be stealing hubcaps going to feds you're talking to the feds no matter what it's fed fed fed fed fed fed and you know the guys did that now to Indian reservations yeah yeah

Yeah, those guys started showing up left and right, left and right. Yeah, but anyway, so we were going to go to war with D.C. So it's going around the compound. We're going to war with D.C. So someone, and this is like serious. Like, it's not just one day we're saying this and the next day it's over. Like, they're prepping people to the point where I'm, they come to me and they're like, do you have a knife? And I'm like, what?

They go, you need a knife. so dude gave me a knife like I don't know how he made this thing but it was like a shard of metal about this long blade sharp that I cut my finger like holy piss and he's

they're giving me stab lessons and he's showing me how to strap it to my hand like strap the thing to your hand because blood's very slippery and the soon as you get some blood it'll slip out of your hand yep that's what I heard I wouldn't know

it was serious like this was going to go down right so I'm like when where it was supposed to be on a Friday so we have one meeting and this is in in a unit in a guy's cell during the move so we go during the move we go in this guy and this guy's name is um they call him ice man they call him ice but um he's a big snagletooth punk right he has a he had a boyfriend but he was gay but he was supposed to be the leader of the car. This is the guy that's supposed to guide us and talk to a couple of people.

He was the one that told me to go and beat up the guy for jacking in the kitchen. You know, he worked with other cars. I had seen them put out a couple of incidents. I didn't really like him. He barely even talked to me. I don't think he liked me either, but he was there.

So we're going to see Iceman, who was the car leader. So we get in this cell. So he's like, hey, listen. And he's giving the spiel like, Listen, like the battle speech, like not all of us are going to make it. Right? So all the thing I hear is we're going to war with the DC car.

So I get in the cell and he's like, all of us ain't going to make it. He goes, and some things are worth spending the rest of your life, are giving your life. But one thing ain't going to happen, man. These people ain't going to just do us any kind of way. This is a vicious fucking group. They didn't try us, and we ain't been to put up with it. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah.

Listen, we men. We represent Florida. We represent a big state, and we ain't going to go down like this. So y'all get ready Friday morning. They're going to meet them on the rec yard. We got a day and a half, call your people, let them know, because this is been to go down. It's going down in this mug going down.

My soldiers, yeah, yeah, all right, yeah. All right, when they call the move, y'all get out of here. All right, no problem. Cool. all right so we all standing around quiet like yeah it's murmur so I said hey I have a question right so yeah what's up man I said um why are we going to war I said what happened I go ain't nobody ever told me what happened why are we going to war I asked man put his head down because one of them dudes

tried to go after my boy I said no more murmur because the murmur tried to go after my boy I said by your boy you mean that dude that gay guy that was your sally

he's like yeah man we got to let them dudes know man they can't just try anybody man we represent him father I'm like, I don't want to go to war over a homosexual. I'm like, I wasn't poking him in the butt. I'm sure you're, I'm sure he's, I'm sure your punk's a wonderful person. Yeah, that's exactly.

The problem is I said, I'm sure he's a good piece of ass. I bet, because he looks cute. But I'm not going to do life or kill anybody or die. Because someone disrespected you're a punk. I want to. Don't get me wrong. I hear you. Unacceptable.

And I'm going to, I'm ready to compose a harshly worded email. Not stab someone. Why didn't I say that? So I'm unwrapping the hand. I'm like, um, you're going to have to count me out, right? Oh man, you back out of this. You out the car completely. I can live with that.

Yeah, that's, I mean, that seems reasonable because in the future, I don't want to be called to go to war. Now, I said, now, if they attacked someone in, like, one of our friends. If it is a genuine issue. Yes. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because I talked to a bunch of them. Matter of fact, I still talk to a bunch of them.

Right. But I'm not going to war over. Your punk's not even from Florida. So what did the other guys do? Mirm. So I said, I'm out. He's like, well, then you walk alone. This is what he tells me.

You walk alone. I said, I walk alone. I said, I walk alone. I'm like, I'm cool with it. But you've been there several years by now. No, I've been there about two years going on two years. Yeah, okay, two years. I said, I walk alone, right?

So when they call a move, I leave. Right? So they, when they leave, no, let that nigga go, blah, blah, blah. You know, they're talking, I was talking to him, blah, blah, blah. So when they come out, right, all of a sudden, the Friday attack is off. Right? And then people are telling me like, I'm with you, man. I like, I wasn't going to go to war over a punk.

Yeah. Like, everybody's telling me that and thanking me for clarity. Because believe it or not, most of us didn't know what we were fighting for. Right. But I like that. I'm ready to do a harshly worded email. I got your back in writing. That's right.

And if they jump you about him or if I see someone kissing him, I'm willing to say something. I'm definitely going to be... Unacceptable. Unacceptable. Lips off that guy. Lips off that. He's taken.

What was the guy's name? Ice. Ice man. Yeah. You know damn well. Ice man loves you. So, yeah. Yeah.

No. No. So it didn't happen. So I kind of, my statue went up because so many people agreed because they didn't know they were blindsided

by that whole thing. It was, it was unbelievable. I couldn't believe it like I'm thinking like holy mackerel like I've never been to war I'm about to go and meet with DC guy probably get slaughtered and and I'm like I don't even know why and what surprised me is nobody was asking right it's like hey we're doing this yeah yeah yeah they're good soldiers you don't you don't ask you know the political reasons behind the decision you're a soldier you're a button you're a button man a button man not button man not button Not button, not your button, button, button. Are we doing this for a piece of ass? Oh, man. I was going to say, so listen, so the other one with me is this,

is that there was a guy named Billy who was supposedly a biker. And, you know, and so Billy was in the low. And Billy, when he first got there, immediately started telling everybody, like, you know, everybody's a punk you know oh that dude's a punk that dude's a chomo all these fucking snitches around here i'm a stand up guy i'm this i'm that ellis cook actually got so sick of listening to him because ellis cook was preaching the same thing so billy's preaching it ellis cook but they had an issue like they constantly would budding heads over the tv you know what

problems the TVs are yes the TVs are huge problems so they were constantly budding heads cook actually had somebody on the street look up billy look up his charge And while they were, he was trying to figure out if he cooperated. While they were, he was looking to see if he cooperated, which he did, he found out that Billy was a registered sex offender. He'd actually had sex with like a 14 year old girl when he was like 32 or something, like one of his buddies, whatever, um, kids or something. And he got charged with it and he actually had, I think he just got like probation or something. It's funny because in the feds, like if you look at a kid online, in the feds, like if you look at a kid online, in the beds, you get three year minimum mandatory to possibly 10 or 12 or five, whatever. But on the state

level, if you actually get a hold of the kid and have sex with her, you get probation. So if I took a picture of her and put it on the line, five years. Right, but you just had sex with her. Oh, okay. So anyway, Billy actually was a registered sex offender on the Florida website. So he actually cook somehow or another actually got the the flyer sent in and made copies of it and passed it out

so Billy was totally outed and got an article that said talked about Billy being a cooperating witness so I mean Billy's like done so anyway but Billy still he's acting like it's all bullshit like that none of that's true

he did admit the second offender thing at some point. But the point is one day we're, and I used to mess with Billy all the time. He was always making wise cracks and I'd make wise cracks back. Right. So I actually at one point, like he

would say stuff like, I remember one time some guy came in the TV room and sat down and we're all watching TV and the guy was like, he had just come out of the counselor's office and he's like, he's like, yeah man, I just got my halfway house date back. They gave me nine months. I leave next month.

guys are like man good for you bro good for you where are you going after that man i'm gonna go stay with my family i'm gonna stay here i'm i'm gonna try and get moved up to west virginia or whatever billy would throw in like you know yeah i don't know if i'm i ain't going to take no halfway house i don't want no halfway house and well in florida the halfway houses won't take sex offenders so you don't have it you acting like i don't want it no you don't have a choice so stop with that but that's what you said no no what i said was somebody said But Billy then said, he's like, I'm not sure where I'm going to go on. I don't think I'm, like, he's just talking to himself, really.

Nobody's to him talk. He's like, oh, no, I might go stay with my, I'm going to stay with my family. I don't know. I might, might stay with my girl. I don't know. And I went, well, I know where you're not saying. And he goes, where? And I go anywhere close to a church, a daycare.

I said, or a school like that. And every, I said, or a park. Everybody starts laughing. Fuck you, Cox. Fuck you. and gets up and walks off or, you know, would stand up and he'd jump up and yell, you, fuck you, Cox. And I just, ha ha, and I start laughing.

You know, what are you going to do? He'd walk off as it got closer to him going home. I don't know what happened, but we keep, I'm still messing with him the whole time. Like, this has been years going on. So that's just our relationship. Like, don't say anything stupid around me. The way I looked at it is this. I remember my ex-wife said, you would think that going to prison would have curbed your

smart-assness, it would have made you a little bit humble. And I was like, no, I was like, well, you know, I realized right away that either I can be quiet my entire bit or I can make a wisecrack every once a while and get bitch slapped. I said, I'm over the bitch slapping pretty quick. But being quiet the whole time and not making these great comments that I make, I said, I can't do it. I can't. I'll die of cancer.

I'll never make it through the whole thing. Keeping that bottled up? That's not right. I got to let it out. I just got to get smacked every once in a while. I was just taking it. And she was just like, you're such an idiot. So one day I'm sitting there, Billy's seat was behind me.

And we're sitting there watching TV. And you know, Billy said stupid, you know, people say stupid shit. And I remember, this is the kind of stupid stuff he would say. And I'm sitting there watching the, um, watching TV. And some hot, we were watching a country music video and there's a hot chick walking down, uh, the beach. And, and Billy goes, Billy said something along lines of, uh, you wouldn't know what to do with that, would you cox? And I go, shit, I got a better chance

of hitting that than you do. And he goes, man, I want to fuck something. I'll knock your ass out and fuck you. And I go, shit, Billy. I said, I'm a little bit old for you. Plus I have my high school diploma. And he jumps up and bam. Bitch slaps me.

And I was like, so hard, by the way. Billy's like six foot tall and two something. What is what you and the six foot people? It bothers me. I'm 5 foot 6 and it irritates me So so you know Listen hit me so hard I like lean forward

And you know what I actually thought happened I thought someone had walked You know people walk with their chairs over their heads So I thought someone had walked in the door And drop the chair on me Really? Like I actually remember looking around for the chair I was like

The chair like they bounce The plastic chairs will bounce you know So I'm waiting for it to bounce back And hit me again And for a second I was like And then I realized this motherfucker hit me I jump up I go you motherfucker

then of course he's also six foot something tall and I'm thinking what am I gonna do he's gonna kill me um so and Billy's like fuck you you fuck you chomo motherfucker and so we're yelling back and forth and he just turns around and storms off thank God because he'd beat me like a small child anyway yeah he walked off

and so one of the guys looks at me and he goes bro you okay and I was like huh no I'm fine he goes no bro you're not fine he was go look in the mirror I don't want to hear that I mean this is the money maker so I go straight

I go straight into the bathroom and look bro half my eye bloodshot red he blew out like the capillary or whatever they call that I don't know I'll get correct I'm sure that's wrong I'll probably get corrected in the in the comment section by 60 guys or like oh it's actually your session

whatever so it blew it out completely red so like the whole day as I'm walking by the guards I'm constantly turning turning turning but keep in mind 95% of the compound either 50% of the compound are sex offenders and the other 50% 95% cooperated so basically out of every unit of 180 guys if you do the math you've got like three to five guys that didn't cooperate so they're all snitches right and all the chomos are snitches they just didn't get a chance to cooperate because what are you going to say you were on the computer like I got nobody to tell on right um so what happens is uh by by four o'clock count

they walk around they do count right after count they call you know billy's name was like a something well you know it was william something anyway they call him William Teleferro or so William Teleferro or whatever and Matthew Cox come to the officers and I'm like oh I walk in and I walk in I'm still keeping I'm like yeah what's up and the guy goes no no no no Cox in your head and he goes he looked at me and goes it was a guy from SIS he goes he said yeah I heard you were in a fight I said no I was not in a fight

I said a fight assumes I said a fight means that I fought back I said I was assaulted like that Billy walks to the door and Billy's like yeah what's up and I said by him like that listen I already know I'm in trouble I said by that motherfucker right there

and Billy's like looked at me he goes fuck and I said and the guy goes they go man we got fucking they've already have they already got three or four people people that weren't even in the room they got three or four people already have written statements we're talking about between between whatever 10 or 11 in the morning right and four o'clock they've got like three or four written statements saying that there was a that basically they said they all were like there was a fight it was just assaulted you know billy's like yeah it was a fight so

what i said it wasn't a fight stop saying it wasn't a fight so yeah You don't want to be in a fight because I could get shipped. Right. You know, I can't get it. I don't want to get shipped. My mom comes to see me. Fuck that. Fuck this piece of shit.

So I'm ready to fucking cut your throat. Your head clean off your body. Yeah, you got a problem. So by the time we got on the, on the bus to be transformed, he's going, he's like, bro, just don't say nothing. I go, fuck you. I'm not fucking saying. I'm ready to say something.

You fucking piece of shit. Fuck you, Cox. You know, it's fucking ridiculous. So that was when, was that when I went to the pen? When you went to the pen? I went to the pen shoe. Oh, yes. I went to the pen shoe.

Right. Yeah. That wasn't that bad, was it? No. No. Oh, the pen shoe? Yeah. Super nice.

The pin, like by the time I get to the pen, terrified. I mean, terror. Like, I'm sitting there. I'm all locked up. I remember they drove us from the, drove me from the low. to the pen you know the low it's manicured

there's trees there's bushes they have flowers concrete everything is concrete and I remember driving it I was like

I was driving I was like no manicured lawns here and I'm sitting that two guards are keep looking back at me the one guard like starts laughing

he goes you can be all right Cox I said I don't feel good about this I don't get the worn fuzzies you know what I'm saying I don't feel good

He's like, you're going to be all right. I said, I don't know. I lived in there. You didn't see. There's no trees. No, no. It's, I hated it. Well, I went to the shoe.

So, I mean, I go in the shoe. And it's so funny when they got in the shoe, they had a bunch of guys in the, in, you know, in the rec yard area of that where they let you out. Not the wreck yard, but the wreck yard for the shoe. Right. And there are guys, total faces tattooed, walking around, like chained up, walking around. That's standard. That's standard. Oh, my, bro, I'm looking at these guys and I'm like, they're like caged animals.

And I remember I look at the guard. I go, bro, you can't put me in with one of those guys. He goes, oh, no, no, Cox, don't worry. You're not going. We've got to sell for you. You'll be fine. We're not putting, I mean, with nobody. He's like, we're not even putting you in with a low guy.

You're going to be by yourself. It's okay. Oh, they were nice. I walked in. He goes, now Cox, I understand you like to read. I got you some books. He had like fucking 10 books. He goes, I got you some books.

I've got you some this. I've got you some this. I've got this, your clothes are here, you're this. He said, this is your cleaning supplies. He goes, don't drink this. He goes, it's Ajax. He was, don't drink the Ajax. Looked at me and I go, is that an issue?

He goes, yeah, it is an issue. Don't drink it. So don't drink, if you feel. Drink the Ajax. Yeah, don't drink the, like the, they had the. Oh, to make themselves sick? Or what the fuck? I don't know what they're doing.

How do you even drink? Like, I mix up some water and drink it. And he goes, don't. He is, if you feel suicidal or I said, bro, I'm not. Trust me. He says a lot more people going out before me. I said, I'm good. He said, I'll make it through this.

Like that, he was like, he started laughing. He said, okay, listen, the next day, out of there. I spent 22 hours in the shoe back on the little. They ship, what's his name? Yeah, they put both of y'all out. Now, Billy went to the medium, and he was being released in like three to six months. So he did like three or four months in the shoe. They couldn't put him in the medium because he's a sex offender.

Right. And he cooperated. Like, it's like the triphidates. He could have put it at the medium. Yeah. Well, I mean, whatever. Anyway, Andy had just gotten into a fight So they just released him

You know Such a piece of shit Such a piece of shit Like this is I hate Look here's what I can't stand I can't stand hypocrites This guy went around Actively chasing around sex offenders

You're a sex offender Actively telling I calling everybody Snitches You're a snitch That is the best Like why human nature does that If you're cheating on your wife

Then the natural thing for you to do is accused your wife of cheating. Right. Yeah, it's just for, you know, so if I'm a snitch. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown

and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. Then I'm going to say I hate snitches. Because maybe you'll think that, yeah, well, you hate snitches. In the way in the world, he's snitches. And here's the thing. He was desperately.

trying to fit in in a compound where one you do fit in but two you don't need to fit in like at the low like there are some like at a pen you would need to click up especially at the beginning right obviously well maybe but i'm saying well i mean i would think you would depending on who you are you kind of need to click up like at the pin i'm saying at the at the low you don't have to click up no you can not you really the medium you don't have to click up in the medium right right but I'm saying it's a low especially like you with a gang no you know I'm going to sit where I want to sit I'm going to do what I want to do all you really have to do is don't gamble don't borrow anything be respectful to everybody you're good stay away from the punks stay away for

yeah exactly stay yeah all the things don't try and turn the cheap TV like just follow the basic rule like the TV's a big issue gambling is a big issue borrowing stuff is a big issue and the TV's an issue. Yep. You know, don't read books. Read, stay in yourself, get a job. You're going to be okay. You're right.

You'll make it. I taught the real estate class for the whole time I was locked up at the low. Well, I taught it at the medium, obviously, a couple years, about what, two and a half years at the medium. The whole time I was locked up at the low I taught it. Wow. God, I was so, I was on autopilot. I mean, I would walk in. I would have to walk it towards the end I was walking in going what did we go over last week

and they would go oh we talked about this and this and this and I'd go okay that means so and then I'd start because now I knew where I don't have a syllabus I was so like I just and I would they're literally I had to do that because there were times I would walk in and start talking right and guys would be like yo Cox you this is what you went over last week like verbatim I mean literally I had it like down I had the jokes down I had the whole thing down then I was like Are you serious? Why did you guys let me get 10 minutes in? Oh, we thought you were going to do something?

I don't know. What was the average size of your class? About 30 guys. Wow. And, you know, it trickled down. As it went on? As it went on. I might start off with eight.

Oh, yeah. No, my first class, guys were standing. The guys were literally standing up. And then by, you know, halfway through, you're down to 20. And then by the last part of it, you've done. got 10 guys, maybe 15 guys that are diehard guys that really genuinely want to learn. But, you know, when I teach the real estate, I'm entertaining. And I'm breaking it out pretty clearly.

I mean, the real estate class, listen, I had it down so good. I literally had guys when they were leaving, stopping me and going, hey, Cox, man, bro, it was a good class. Shaking my hand. Guys are telling me, other guys are telling me on the compound, they're like, hey, my Selly come every time he leaves your class he comes in he says man I'm gonna be a millionaire

I'm taking Cox's class man I'm telling you right now I'm gonna make millions this guy is I mean he was used you got these guys believing that they can make millions I'm like think about it and I used to tell them this this is being a drug dealer

okay converting that to real estate isn't that hard it's because it's about the hustle if you're a true hustler you can do real estate you just got to switch your hustle I guess these guys aren't afraid

to go knock on a door and talk to somebody they don't know they'll do that you get some 40 year old white suburban woman she's not going in those neighborhoods she's not knocking on doors she's not these guys will

I mean it's anyway so I had the whole class down it was it was really it was a great class I could do a whole thing on that class that was hilarious but Yeah, selling certificates. I was selling certificates. I had a guy one time.

Who wouldn't? Yeah, of course you're selling, sir. Of course. You have to get so many certificates. Like you go into, sorry, I'm looking at you. You have, like your counselor will tell you, like one of the things that to help lower your points. So you can get to a lower custody prison is you take classes. You get so many certificates and they'll start to recommend or lower your custody level or your, yeah, your custody level.

So they tell you take a class. Take a class. Take a class. So you start taking your different classes. Guys would come in and they just want the certificate. It's like, look, man, I just want to get to a low. I just want to get to a camp. You know, I just need to take two classes every quarter. I need four certificates in the next six months and they're going to lower my custody and go to a camp. There's a camp near my house. I want to see my family. Can you, but I don't want to sit through your class. And I go, okay, great. Give me two coffees and two creamers. I'll do all your tests and you'll get your certificate. Cool. Fair enough. So I had this one guy. They called them Big Dund

I hate to say this because, but listen, it's the bulk of the guys locked up are black guys. So big dummy was a big black guy. Dumb as a boxer rock. Big dummy. Everybody called, you could say, hey, big dummy. Yeah, it was up. I mean, he didn't, it wouldn't have been. He wasn't a short like BD or something?

No, it was big dummy. Everybody called him big dummy. So he came in and he never came to the class again. Came in once, signed his name. And then after about, like, never came to the last week. Never came to the class. And then what happened was he, you know, you had to be signing in. So one of his other buddies was signing him in.

And then it was a whole thing. You're doing your job. Yeah. And then so he still missed. You could only miss three classes. He still missed like five classes. So he comes up to me just before the whole, the, the, the, the, you're supposed to give your certificates, take the last class.

And he comes in. And I said, and he said, hey, come. you know I got an issue I've been going to class but I understand that I can't that I missed a couple classes but I was there I was I was like bro you're in my unit like you're in my unit I know you've been one time I was like look you want to he's like man how do I get a certificate I said okay I'll sign in sign in I said I'll sign in and I said I'll take the class for you I mean I'll take the test for you. I said, all you got to do is give me two coffees, two creamers. That's it. He's all right, I got you, I got you. So the last day comes, I sign him in everything. He's got a

certificate. He didn't even show up to get the certificate. So I go to him and I said, hey, man, he comes to me. He comes to me. He says, hey, man, I need my certificate. And I said, no, no, you never got me your coffee and creamer. No, I got you next week. I said, no, bro. I told you you you have to get it beforehand. Well, yeah, I got a certificate. I already got a certificate. I already got a certificate. He doesn't realize that. He doesn't know how He doesn't know that, though. Right. He's an idiot. And I, and he, he's a big dummy. Big dummy got a big bag by the way. Every single time he comes in from

commissary with a huge bag. Oh yeah, he's a big dummy. He's just an idiot. He's just not going to buy it to me. Right. So by, he's not going to buy me my stuff. So he comes in. I remember said, hey, well, you don't have it. Where's my stuff? You never got it. And he's like, yeah, man, I got you next week. And I said, no, what am I stupid? I said, no, I need my stuff now. Right. Well, I don't have it now. I said, well, I don't have it now. I said, well, I told you i had that you had to have it before the last class well you know my my money i ain't got my money right bro i ain't got no no no no bro you i see you're my unit i see you with the bags every time you came in from commissary i'm waiting for you to come give me my stuff well his extra

money is what do you mean right and have your money so i'm like yeah no bro you're you're hit what you mean i'm hit i said you're hit you're hit you don't there's no certificate right and he said um no man that i said listen bro i said look I got I said you know I said listen man man just just give me I said go around to the store guy and get some coffee I think he came back and he said man I got a bag of Pringles or something whatever it was it was worth like basically almost nothing three bucks you know I thought it was worth like eight dollars that you're charging um no it wasn't worth the same amount of money but I already have the certificate so I end up saying to him

Okay, I'll just give me the, I'll take the Pringles. That's fine. And so I go in to get the Pringles and I give him his certificate and he's got my Pringles in his hand. So I go, here's a certificate. And he goes, and turns around. And I go, you know, get out of here. And I go, what? I said, oh, are you fucking serious?

And he goes, yeah, man, what you're going to do? What are you going to do? I snatched the fucking, the shit out of his hands. No, no, I snatched the pringles out of his hands. And he went, oh, he was, give me the pringles. And I go like this, like I'm throwing. I said, go get it. Boom, like that.

And he, and his eyes go. And so I lean over, but I didn't throw it. I stopped it in my hand. So his eyes followed where it should have gone. he's oh and i snatched the the certificate out and then i i dropped the pringles on his bed and turn around walk off he was you fucking con man you fucking and he follows me in so he follows me in my cell to grab like he thinks he's going to grab the certificate and i go he goes man i need that i need that certificate man i said go get my shit no i said i need that i said go get my stuff i said i ain't

taking them. I want my two coffees and two creamers. And he goes, no, you give me that. That's my certificate. That's mine. And I tore it up. You should have seen him. And I said, this guy's huge by the way. He's a massive guy. Tall, big. And he goes, he said, man, I got team. He goes, I got team tomorrow. And I said, I said, bro. I said, you ain't got no certificate. I said, you're not in the computer. I said, I put you in the computer. I'm the one that puts you in. I don't, by the way. So, and he was, oh, you fucking gone, man, and he turned around and walked off, stormed off. So one of his buddies comes up to me, like five minutes later and goes, hey, Cox. Man, what's big dummy owe you? And I go, he owes me two coffees and two Kramer's. He goes,

he said you tore up the certificate. Can you get him another certificate? And I went, yeah, I get him another certificate. What about putting him in the computer? And I said, You got the two coffees and creamers? He's like, I'll put him in a computer. I said, I put him in the computer. He goes off, he comes back, two coffees, two creamers, and I said, I'll put him in tomorrow. What was his issue? He just didn't want to pay.

I don't know. He's just stupid, and he thought. And he had money. And he thought he could just muscle his way. Yeah, he's a soft white guy, and he's not going to this. And he's going to do it. And he's, you know, there's always some idiot trying you. They're always trying you for something.

You know what I'm saying? It's always get me that. So it's like, get me the, like, and I'm reasonable. I'm not overcharge you. anybody. This is reasonable. Usually it's under what you really could. I knew guys are charging 30 bucks for a I'm charging what? Less than $10?

For a certificate. Guys are charging 30 bucks for it. And it lowers your points. You needed to lower your points. Right. But there's always some guy who's like, you know, they give you a part of it and say, well, I got you after such an stop. Stop. Don't do it. Don't. You don't understand how this works. I con you. You don't con me.

That's how this works. Not out of a certificate at least. Go to the store guy. You know, oh, they ain't got no comments or go to the store guy you know yeah it's like they're stupid like they think you're done like been here 10 years right you think i don't know so anyway yeah that was that was fun same thing selling certificates just same stupid dealing with different different types of people always some idiot well i i went from the pen back down to jessup uh the medium which was jessup Georgia and um the jessup was supposed to be i don't know if you

ever heard about them. They're supposed to be sweet. Yeah, Jessup. I mean, everybody wanted to go to Jessup. It went from sweet to sour. It was, it was basically Coleman without all the theft. They only have about, it's, it's a light medium. It only has about like 600 people on the compound for the medium.

And so it's kind of like the chow hall is ridiculously small. And it was, it was kind of sweet. But I, when I, when I, think about it, I had absolutely no problem with anybody there at all. I mean, none. There was no, now I've seen fights that I thought was hilarious. I mean, there, the inmates and the officers did a lot of fighting, you know, which I thought was, which I thought was hilarious.

Because one, the one fight, I think I was there about a week, and there was a fight in the unit, which I thought was, and let me just tell you about it real quick, because It was funny. So these two guys are arguing about the television, right? I guess he's changing it. So one's an old guy, one's kind of a younger guy. So the old guy's like, stop changing the TV, you know, and he's like, no, I'm going to watch this.

I just want to see this end of this show. Now stop changing the TV. So the old guy swings at him and misses, and the young guy gives him like a two piece, pop, pop, and lights him up pretty good, like in the eye. so the old guy wigs out you know he gets composed himself and he goes to his room and he comes out with a knife

and he says I'm going to stab you right so the young guy like oh so he's walking around the unit so like the old guy's following him they're following him they're going around he goes like look he goes before I go to bed

tonight I'm going to stab you so the young guy is so they're walking around the unit so the whole unit is watching as this slow pursuit. It's not really a slow pursuit, but it's probably a speedwalking pursuit about five times around the unit.

Right. I guess the young guy gets tired. He tries to stop and put the chair in the way. And everybody's like, no, no, no, no, go, go, go. So the whole time, you have to know this officer. It's a ball-headed kind of, like a real kind of cop type of officer.

He was a weird dude, the CO. He's in the office with the lights off because he's asleep. Yeah. The office door is open, right? So the young guy, after three laps around, five laps around the unit, he goes to the officers, he goes into the office, where the officer is, right? And he tries to close the door.

So as the young guy, as the old guy's chasing him, that's what I thought was hilarious. Because as he's trying to close the office door, that was the fastest I saw the old guy move. That's when he, you know, he's going from a steady. And he gets in the office and they're fighting inside the officer's office. So the officer's up and he's spraying him and he's going, stop! Stop! He sprays them. Lights up the whole dorm.

But the old guy ended up stabbing him. But they took him both out. He still got him? He still sat. But listen, the young guy beat him both his eyes. were shut, but the old guy still stabbed him. In that institution, inmates fighting CO, probably about 13 incidents. It's unbelievable.

Like, we didn't fight each other too much. It was the inmates fighting the COs. I have, I got to tell you, only because you mentioned the officer. So there's this old, an old man off. There was an old guy that was actually my celly at one point. His name was Frank Smith. I used to tell him this That sounds like a made-up name

So Frank Smith was old He was probably 66, 66 years old He was a sex offender That So he There was an older officer Too who's probably in his late 60s 64, 65

And it turns out that officer had moved From prison to prison to prison Because of complaints from inmates that he was harassing them, like sexually harassing him. So the officer, one day Frank's walking by. Frank was in decent shape.

He was in good shape. Had a white haircut or white flat top. You know, and he was walking by, and the officer goes, hey, hey, mate, come here. What's your name? And he goes, Smith.

Smith. And he goes, He goes, how long you've been here? He goes, this guy just got in there maybe a few months. He'd been, the officer had been here maybe three or six months. And he goes, he goes, he goes, I've been here about four years, four years. He goes, maybe five years. And he goes, huh, you work out?

And he goes, yeah, I work out. I work out. You know, I had a bad back. Sometimes I don't work out. But yeah, he said, yeah, you look like you're in pretty good shape. You work out when you're younger too. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. I did. And he's, well, what do you do? And I go in the rec yard. I walk and I also do

I do dips and I do this. Starts talking to him and he's like and Frank said, I mean, I don't talk to the officer. He doesn't talk to the officer, but the guy called him in. What am I going to do? And it's a low, you know, and he's like, huh. So how much time you got? Oh, I got this much time. And it's like, you know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot of time. Yeah, yeah. He goes, he's looking me up and down, like checking me out. And he says, you know, Frank, he said, he locked up. A man has sex with another man. He said, you've been locked up. That doesn't make him gay. And he goes, and Frank goes, yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. It does. And he goes, and so by the way, so when I hear this whole story being dragged out, being told, Pete, my

buddy Pete and I are sitting at an area called Stonehenge where we called it Stonehenge they had these round things with all these all these benches and in the middle they had these concrete like this but you had four and they're bolted everything's concrete and so we're sitting there talking and Frank comes walking by Frank comes walking over and finds me this is the middle of night this is like six or seven o'clock at night comes walking over he goes hey you're going to believe what just happened I go what and so he tells us that whole story and as we're talking. He goes, can you believe that? I go, what else happened? He goes, oh, I mean, he told me that. I said, yeah, it does. And he goes, no, it doesn't. He said, I mean, you've been

locked up a long time. I mean, you know, I'm just saying things happen. You shouldn't, you shouldn't feel bad about that. He goes, I don't feel bad about anything. He goes, look, I feel weird about this whole conversation at this point. And now, keep in mind, Frank was meticulously, like he was well groomed. Frank's clothes were all, Frank had a lot of money. Frank in his in his commissary account had over $100,000. Wow. By the way, you're allowed to have that much. Oh, no, he's, it got really high. I mean, Frank had a lot of money. Um, Frank sent me money. When I got out, that's right. Frank sent me money. You told me that. You okay. Two grand, 2000. No, no, not him. No, he didn't send me that. He sent me like six or eight hundred bucks,

something like that. No, inmates in general sent me a couple thousand. Just inmates in general. Where it's like, they would walk across the compound when they'd see my buddy Pete, they'd go, how's Matt doing? And people were like, oh, he's good. He's doing this. He's doing that. And so when I was setting up my website, Pete said, when Pete would call and he said, what are you doing? I said, is the website going up? I said, I can't.

Peter, I don't have, I can't. I was still in the halfway house. I'm in the halfway house. I can't do a website. He's like, why? I said, because I don't have a computer. I don't have a, you know, I started explaining all the problems. He goes, what do you need?

And I went, well, I don't know, I need a computer. I need an iPhone. phone. I need to buy Final Cut Pro. I need, you know, these are things I need things I need. I need Photoshop. I mean, these, and he's like, what does it cost? I said, it's like a couple grand for me to even get to the point where I can put together a website. And he goes, it's just because I don't, you know, people are like, oh, you could put it up. Not if you don't have the computer. People don't understand that. They're like, you should do this. How? They don't understand. I'm in the halfway house. Like, I've got an $80 phone that has a virus constantly. I can barely use it to call. I can't download apps. It's constantly has viruses. So, so. I'm like, I need an iPhone, I need this, I need that. So I start going through the whole thing, all the things that I need. And Pete goes, okay, I'm going to get you the money. I was like, how's that?

And he goes, I've been walking across the compound. Everybody stops me and asks me, how are you doing? How are you doing it? This happens four or five times a day. He goes, from now on, when they stop me, I'm going to say, you know what he needs? He needs a computer. He says, he needs an Apple. He can buy a use one.

It costs this much money. He needs one. Right. Did I tell you, I ended up getting two apples? Phones or computers? No, two computers. Frank gave me six or seven hundred dollars for I think six or eight hundred I'm not sure exactly what Frank gave me that for an iPhone my first iPhone like I mean these guys literally are a buddy of

mine's mother mailed me his old one well what was it they were planning on you doing well just they just wanted me to set up my website I've a website called inside true crime right they just look you know me we're friends there's 15 or 20 or 30 guys but everybody in general knew who I was they're all reading my stories my stories are being passed from inmate to inmate inmate and all of them are like what are you going to do when you get out i'm going to try and get these things turned into documentaries films i'm going to spend the next five or ten years pushing to get these stories made right that's what i'm going to do and so what happens is by that point i'd come out in the atlantic magazine i like guys they believe in me

they want to see it happen all right so that's what the right you know how many inmates get out and they don't do anything yes i'm going to do this and this and this next thing you know they're working at FedEx they've got a chick with two kids and that's it that's it what about the end of your story about the officer to come so he comes so the Frank's telling us a story right and he's like yeah he this he that he this and I'm like okay I'm like so what'd you do he's like what do I I left then I went oh Donovan Davis was there too Donovan goes I mean Frank that's it's an opportunity and he goes what what do you mean Frank's he's an old crotchety fucker too he's like what what does that mean

and I went I said I mean Frank you're not allowed to have I said that the guys the guys he's gay the guy's a homosexual said you know they've transferred him from another prison and somebody else was Donovan's like I heard he had been transferred a few times he's a problem like he's like he's like the priests they move them around you've had 15 parishes and 10 years you're a problem you're a problem so that's what they're doing with this with this CO and I go he's probably I go, he's hitting on you. I know he was hitting on me. I said, right. So? And he goes, so what? I said, so you got 10 years left, bro. What does that mean? I go, it means you might have to take one for the fucking team. I mean, you know, he's like, and I said, I mean, look. And

Donovan goes, Donovan says, he says, he says, donovan says, listen, at least give him a fucking reach around, you know. He goes, give him reach around. He said, you know, I mean, what's the big deal? He says, are you out of your son? He goes, what's the big deal? And Pete says, save the sample and I go I said bro I said he's not on your shirt I said I go Winski him I said bro I said you got 10 years that's a sex I said that's that's rape and he's you sick fuckers and we're like we're laughing I go I'm telling you I said save the sample I said I said and Donovan's like don't swallow he said fuck you Donovan he's like save the sample spit it on your dress on your shirt I'm like look you you you've

You come in it, you leave, you go to, I said, you, listen, what? I said, I'll write a letter to the fucking times. We'll get an article made. I'll get you the publicity. We'll get you out, Frank. Fuck you. I'll do the time. You fucking asshole, motherfucker, motherfucker.

Listen, that officer talked to him a lot. He was constantly. He got comfortable with him. He was constantly, yeah. Well, the first time he talked to him when he suggested it, because nothing happened to the officer, he got emboldened. So now he's really talking to Frank Can you fucking you imagine

I mean we were And Frank would the guy would stop him and save you And Frank would say to you and then walk off And I'd look at Frank and I'd go And Frank would be like fuck you I ain't trying to get nothing So funny Alright can we close this one?

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