Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - EXPOSING YOUR FAVORITE CELEBRITIES (DAX SHEPARD, WES WATSON & MORE)

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

EXPOSING YOUR FAVORITE CELEBRITIES (DAX SHEPARD, WES WATSON & MORE)

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You just look like the what's wrong with you? I told you at 9 o'clock. I'm sorry, Wes. I'm sorry. What is some of the most absurd podcasters? have to tell you and I know your friends was I can't believe it's I heard of you when someone I know who knows a buddy of mine sent me a couple of your videos and I was like and I watched them and I was like what is going on so it was you and a couple other people and you were just you know dismantling this this particular podcast um and then I started I sifted through you know some of the other videos

and you know of course the name of your podcast is you know who are these podcasts which which it's funny because I think in in in the podcast arena everybody kind of knows like you're like well this this isn't true this can't be true these views can't be true that can't be true there's a lot of bullshit right so you start picking apart but I never realized like hey you could build a whole podcast on that but so that's how I came across you and but so how you were saying you were talking earlier about podcasting how did that how did that come about or you said you have a nightmare scenario or something or a night. Yeah, so we started doing it as a hobby. A buddy of mine moved across the country to Seattle. And we were communicating quite often. And he wanted to start a podcast. So I said, why don't we do this on Saturdays?

We'll do this, who are these podcasts show? And kind of a tribute to Opie and Anthony used to do this thing called Jocktober where they would listen to other morning shows, other radio shows, and make fun of them. So we started doing the same thing, pulling cliffs and stuff. And, you know, we had a couple hundred downloads per episode. No one really knew who we were. It was just a hobby, just for fun. Not making any money or anything.

Well, about 80 episodes in, we review this show called The Vanished, hosted by Marissa Jones. Okay. And she's got a pretty big following. True crime show back then, you know, we're going back seven years now. True crime was the thing in podcasting. Right. It still is, but even more so back then. That's what people associated podcasting with true crime.

Right. And she had one of the bigger shows, huge social media following. So we made fun of her show. Pulling clips of it. You know, just like we do with every show. But what's anything specific? Like, is it just her reaction or just the fact? Yeah.

Well, was she being inaccurate or just? She always blames the police. She never takes the other side of things. She just takes the family side. So we're playing these clips where she's interviewing the mom. And of course, the mom's going to feel a certain way about how law enforcement works. My son's a good boy. He wouldn't have done this.

That kind of thing precisely. And it's like, well, if you want to get this to be a little more balanced, maybe you should talk to the detective who was on the case. Or, you know, other. people in that. And she didn't do that. So we kind of goofed down that. And look, this is a lighthearted show. Right. We're not trying to solve any problems in the world. We're just trying to have some fun, have some laughs. So we did that. She was very obsessed. She reached out to me directly and told me to this episode down. I said, well, we're not going to take it down. It's not going to happen. So then she

reached out to Apple. Did you, did you, when people do that to me, I'm like, hey, I would love to have you on the show. Why don't you come on the show? I was given that opportunity. I do that now. Right. Back then, we weren't having people on as guests and things. like that. So I wasn't interested in that. Right. Nowadays, when people give me a lot of shit, I'm like, come on the show, let's talk about it. Yeah. You know, and nine times out of ten, they go, never mind. Yeah, yeah. They just want to type on their computers at you. Right. So, so then she reaches out to Apple and Apple's not going to take it down. She reaches out to iTunes, which was, you know, where most people

were getting podcasts back then. So then she reaches out to my syndicator, Libson at the time. And Libson actually called me. Again, I'm not a big podcast. We're getting maybe 400 downloads to an episode. And Libson calls me up and says, hey, I just want to let you know, there's a person who reached out to us who wants us to take your episode down because it uses some of her content. And they were so cool. He goes, Carl, we're not going to take it down. You've done nothing wrong here. Marissa obviously didn't know about fair use and how that works.

She thinks she had a copyright. And I was breaking her a copyright. So it was great. Apple wasn't going to do anything. Lipson wasn't going to do anything. So then Marissa decided, all right, I need to activate my social media following. And she literally got over 10,000 people to start harassing my company. Now, at the time, I was a partner at a digital marketing firm.

I think there's about 15 of us who worked there. But I was one of the partners. If I had been an employee at a company, I'm getting fired. Right. Because the amount of harassment and negative comments and things that were flooding in on all social media, my business partner, you know, they found out the name of my company. Then they found out the CEO, who was my partner. and they start reaching out to him through LinkedIn and Twitter

and they're just harassing now when all this was going down I'm on an airplane to Vegas my buddy's getting married so I land you know that thing you turn on your phone when you land you get connected again holy shit and we're on vacation I'm with my wife so I'm actually like nothing's going on that and whatever and meanwhile I'm like what the fuck is going on right now these people are trying to ruin my life right so basically I have a conversation with my partner while I'm out Vegas and he finally says to me because I was really sticking to my guns I'm like I'm not taking this episode down so he finally says to me it sounds like you should probably just take

the episode diagram yep you're right right because business first yeah this is my company my partner's telling me to take it down fine we'll take it down so then I did a whole heartfelt episodes is something I've never done before never will again about how all right guys you got me I put out an episode I said I took the episode down you guys win this round but you got to realize what you're doing these people who go out and try to ruin someone's life? Yeah. I mean, you don't, they don't know me from Adam.

So they don't know if I'm supporting a family, young children. They don't know what's going on. They're just like, we're mad at him for our friend Marissa, who they're not friends, but they just listen to her podcast. Right. So let's go ruin this guy's life. And it's amazing how people can feel that way and actually execute on something like that as if that's just a normal thing to do.

We put out a show that no one would have heard, again, the Streisand effect with this. Right. Because that was our most listened to episode before I. took it down. Yeah, it was a huge boost for you, as opposed to. She just ignored it. Right. I still get notes from people who have been listening to the show ever since,

who found that through that. They're like, yeah, you know, Marissa was bitching about you. And actually, I like your show. So I've been listening to you ever since. So she actually shined a bright light on us, which was nice. Did you ever think about putting the episode? I mean, now you're not. Okay.

So that's funny. You ask that. Great question. Because to me, it'd be like, once I don't need that, I'd be like, oh, now we're doing. And now you're going to be, guess what? You're going to be the star of the next few episodes. So it was episode 88. And I remember that because at the time, we didn't have a Patreon.

I wasn't making any money. We had a merch store. So I said, I'll tell you what, guys, if you want to hear this episode that we had to take down, buy some merch, send me a receipt or a photo of what you bought. And I'll send you a link to the episode so you can listen to it. So we started getting people buying merch because they really wanted to hear the show that they weren't allowed to hear. It was taken out forbidden from the internet. That's a good idea, by the way.

Well, it is because then when we finally started a Patreon, a year or two later, I put that episode up. I'm like, you've signed it for our Patreon. You get this episode. And our first ever bonus show that we did was revisiting her show The Vanished Again and doing another episode on that because that was behind the paywall. So, so yeah, it actually worked out pretty well because it gave me an opportunity to go on some other podcasts and tell the story and just get my name out there. You never released it publicly though again? No. No, it's not on the feed. It's not on the main feed. Why not? You got to sign it for a Patreon. Five bucks a month. Patron.com slash who are these podcasts and get the episode. I need to do that. I interviewed a guy named Johnny Mitchell who at the very end of his episode like kind of stopped where I was just about to start explaining something. And he said, hey, by the way, you know, we're going to stop here. If you want to listen to the rest of that episode, go to the Patreon. And I was like, he's got like, 26. And I was like, afterwards we were like, I was like, well, how many, how many? How many? How many? any Patreon guys do you have? You know, I'm thinking 1,000, maybe 500. He's like, uh, 2,800 or something,

the 2,600. I was like, yeah, 2,600. He's like, yeah, yeah. It's like, well, you're doing where we're at too. That's insane. Like, 2,800 right now. And we also do YouTube members. So, if you sign up for Patreon, Supercast is another one that we have, or our YouTube membership, you get all the bonus content that we do. On ours, all it is is if you pay like, and listen, listen to what we need to talk about this by the way when he leaves because and this is my like you know Colby had nothing to do with this I'm like I'm like I don't know 10 bucks a month and they get he's like what do they get with $10 I'm like they get a thank you and he goes well what did that he said and then 50 he's like 50 what do they get I go they get advanced access we give

it a week or a couple days later they get advanced access and of course now I real you know obviously since I've been talking to people about this I realize well 10 dollars a month for and getting nothing, people are signing up, but not in droves. Right. You know, because for 50 bucks is what is, you know, that's where you get behind the paywall for the $50. And 50 bucks is a lot of money. Yeah.

You know, but to me, I was like, yeah, but nobody's going to join, but I see these numbers like five bucks, ten bucks is nothing. And if you're already posting it, I might as well just drop the $10, the $50 guys and say, hey, we're just, just don't even pay 50. Yeah. It's funny you say that because we have three tiers on our pay. Patreon as well. It's 510 and 25. And basically, I've always pitched it as you're supporting the show. Thank you for that. This is why I get to do this for a living now. And I really

appreciate it. Right. I appreciate all the people who support the show. Thanks for doing that. But we do do two bonus episodes every single month that those people get exclusively. Right. But when I started doing the show with video, because this was always an audio, I'm a big radio guy. Right. And I don't have a face for TV. So I was like, yeah, I'm not looking to do video, but everyone moved a video. Right. So, okay, we started doing video. And I decided, all right, I'm going to let people watch live, something that, you know,

we always just pre-record it and then put it out, edited and everything. I'm like, you can watch it raw live, the way that we do it. And if you're on our Patreon, and I was going to put it at the $10 tier to watch live so the people who are at the five would, you know, have to up it. And then I went, fuck it. Everyone who's paying us money can watch it live. Right. So really, there's almost no difference between 5, 10, and 25.

It's basically just saying, hey, if you have the money, and you want to help support us. We really appreciate it. Thank you for that. I do promise people at the higher tier if they want to reach out and get like a phone call or a Zoom call or something like that.

I'm happy to do that with those people. Yeah, I was going to say, to be honest, if you just bug me, I'll pretty much just talk to you. If you just send me two or three emails. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

If you're on our Patreon, I have people who man the DMs and everything and we make sure that we're... I don't even mean Patreon. Somebody sends me like two or three emails and keeps like, hey man, I just want to talk for a second. And then they'll hit me three emails.

I'll be like, here's my you know here all right let's you know and then i'll talk i'll you should you should have said that i know i know i know three or four emails to you well this is my fourth email man after you what the fuck um so so let's let's go back to how you got into this beginning with like like you said radio but i mean like where were you born what's your childhood like why did you gravitate towards starting the you know podcast yeah so i grew up in western new york and I was really into skateboarding. I was really into music.

I play guitar. I'm still in bands to this day. And I was really into comedy. And because I was really into comedy, I really got into talk radio. And, you know, morning commute. Howard Stern came in in 95 to the Rochester market. So I was still in high school and I'm listening to Howard Stern.

And then when I started college, I was commuting. So I was listening to Howard Stern every morning. I was listening to sports talk in the afternoon. I was listening to political talk on AM. So I just really got into talk radio, that format specifically. Is that what you were going to college for? Did you know like, hey, this is ultimately this is where I want to be? No.

This was a hobby. This is what's crazy about it. I went to school for marketing. And I got into digital marketing. Like I said, I was a partner at a firm. We did very well. And I was doing very well as my career as a marketer. I never thought I would stop doing that.

I was going to take over the company and be. sole owner bringing new partners. I had this whole thing I was going to do. And like I said, the company was doing very well. Well, I started doing the podcast just as a hobby. I have a lot of hobbies. I fly drones. I play guitar.

I do a lot of different things. So we were just doing the podcast weekly. And if people found it cool, you know, it was just a fun thing to do because it was like playing radio at home. Right. Kind of thing. And it was the pandemic. When the pandemic hit and sent everybody home and everyone's working from home and

we're all on Zoom calls and we're no longer going. going to the office and seeing each other, I got real frustrated with that. Well, what happened to the marketing firm at that point? Well, we had a lot of clients who stopped advertising altogether. Right. We had a lot of clients that could no longer do business. So it was a tough time. We survived it.

And we found workarounds and things like that. But I got to the point where I was so burned out on it that I said, I'm starting to make a little bit of money on podcasting. Why don't I take a chance on myself? I gave myself five months. I said it was August of 20. 2020, I said, if I can, by the end of 2020, start making enough money to support myself with podcasting, then I'm going to make the change.

Right. And so at first, I was still taking out a lot of freelance digital marketing stuff and I was doing the podcast and I was ramping up what we were doing for the podcast. I put more time and effort into it. And I was able to grow it to the point where I finally just said, okay, not doing any more digital marketing stuff. I'm putting that behind me and now it's just full time podcasting. What would your partner say?

My partners? Yeah, in the advertising. Yeah, they were not, they were not too pleased. They were not too pleased. They were both much older than me. Oh, and they were thinking, so they were going to sell the company to me. Right.

And that was their exit strategy. And we had many conversations about it. So then when all this went down, I'm like, yeah, I'm just going to go. And they spent a couple of months trying to keep me there. We had a lot of meetings and a lot of conversations. But I just finally said, you know what? At the time, I'm in my late 30s, early 40s, and I'm like, okay, am I going to spend the next two decades of my life doing this job that is not that rewarding?

I'm not having fun with at all. It pays really well. I'm making good money. I'm living a good life when I'm not working, but I was working a ton. Yeah. So I just said, you know what? It'd be more fun to be a professional podcast or if I can make that work. Why not take a chance?

And I had enough money saved up at the time that I didn't need a weekly paycheck. So I thought, okay, I can take a risk here and see what I can do. Yeah, that's what, like, we, we stuck it out for like two years. And when it got to a point where we saw the number at the end of the month, it was like, okay, if I can double this, then I can pay all my bills. So now, and we were doing that with one episode. Was it one episode? Yeah, we're doing one episode, but cutting it up into like, oh, yeah, two or three. I do that.

But the problem, the thing with that was it was, it was. So it's a two-hour episode. You're breaking it up into maybe 45 minutes and an hour and, you know, whatever, so a little bit. And you're releasing it three times. Or sometimes I would do an episode just me on something. But it's only 30 minutes. I can only go so long, 30, 45 minutes. So you're releasing, so you're like, okay, so we're basically putting out two, maybe three hours a week.

And if that's bringing in this much, you know what? If I start, if I just double down on this, if I stop doing everything else, double down on it. we'll know in a like you said in a few months I'll know does does that double what we're bringing in and sure enough within a few months it was like okay well this is double you know and I did something that which was stream yard which I didn't want to do you know the um um remotes I didn't want to do remote I didn't want to do remote I want to people in person yeah yeah yeah to go but I was like listen if we can just get half as many views it's a lot easier to set up right oh my God talking to someone from their living room yeah um and take it's so short so yeah so yeah so I we did that and sure enough like two within two three months it was like okay this like it's funny you say that i had the exact same mentality so i i'm keeping my spreadsheet and i'm looking at my different revenue sources and i'm going okay here's the number right now and i was thinking the same way if i double it right that's kind of where i want to be so i i started looking at year over year because i'm coming from a business background right so i started keeping track of year over

year and what's my percentage increase and what do i want it to be and where does it need to be and i was hitting my goals every quarter wow i'm up 100% from last year. I'm up 110% from last year. I'm up 150% from what. So you just look at and you go and then you get to the thing where you're like, does this grow forever? Is this exponential? That's what I'm saying is like, look, if it was a normal business, if you went out and you opened up a restaurant and it was doing 25% better every year, that's a super successful. Yeah, you're or you're franchising that. And you're and you're saying, no, no, it's a hundred percent. And that's what I was like I'm always like every month we it incrementally it just keeps getting larger and larger and

like if you look at the end of the year you're like we jump from we're a hundred percent from from the first year to second year to third year to it's like this is like obviously I feel like it can't keep going like that but it gets to a point where it's paying your bills and you're like this is like you'd be an idiot to turn to say oh no I'm not going to do this and I did the same thing you did so now we were doing a weekly podcast on on the weekends well now I don't have a day job anymore. I'm like, let's do a second show. So now who are these podcasts? We do every Wednesday and every Saturday. Right. And then my buddy Mike Geary, who formerly a bar stool, reached out to me and said, hey, I want to do a show with you. Okay. I start up another podcast. I do a show called

the creep off of the shirt that I'm wearing right now with my buddy Vinnie Paulino. What is that one about? So this is a true crime show for men. Because I feel like all the true crime shows out there are for women. Are targeted to women. Well, listen to this. Yeah. The demographic is like 70% female, right? On the documentary style, serial killers, right? That's like 70%, 65, 70% women watch those. On my demographic is 92 to 94% are male. I believe it, right?

Like, when I saw that, that's not possible. But then I never talk about, we almost never. Maybe, you know, one out of 40 episodes we talk about there's a murder involved. Right. But it's never, we're never specifically really talking about. a murder, well, probably so one out of 30, one out of, we, every once in what we'll get some author. There's not many mystery, like trying to solve.

Yeah, I don't really, yeah, because I'm just not interested in violence, you know what I'm not interested in. You're more into the psychology of it. Or, well, I was going to say scams and, and I'm also very interested in, like, why did you do this? Like, you know what led to this? Episode you did not too long ago with the guy who left Scientology. Oh, Aaron.

Yeah, that was awesome. Aaron's, listen, Aaron has his own podcast. Yeah. And Aaron does four lives, or what, live streams a day. Oh, shit. He's doing great. What is he just taking questions from people? Yeah, he just talks to him.

Sometimes he interviews some people. Sometimes he'll interview people, but that's all he does. I actually just met with a guy, several, two guys that went to a protest for Scientology. I had lunch. One was Clearwater Chad. I met Clearwater Chad. Sorry, this is a guy who's, he's hilarious. He does, what do you call it?

parodies. He'll mock, you know, he does parodies. He's done them of me. Okay. I'll check that out. Characters. And then he looks just like a guy that I wrote a book about called Frank Amadeo. And so anyway, he communicates with me, you know, we email and text. And he said, hey, listen, I'm going to meet Aaron, Aaron Levy Smith. And we're doing a Scientology protest. And we're coming into town. I want to have lunch with you. I was like, like, I got to go. Awesome. hilarious and the thing is when i saw him by the way because i'm i'm like five six when i saw him he's like almost six foot tall he's huge he's a big guy i thought he was like tiny i thought he was like five four five five five i think it's why he's almost six feet is huge i think that's if you're five seven you're you're practically you're a giant if you're like six one listen we got a picture with uh johnny mitchell johnny mitchell's a full one foot taller than me he's like

six foot six yeah it's ridiculous and it's embarrassing You don't care about that shit, do you? Yes. A little bit. Okay, fair enough. I'm standing next to him. He is, he's towering. He's like, like this.

And I'm just like, this is ridiculous how tall you are. Okay, so, uh, well, we were talking about the Scientology. Then we were talking about this. We're talking about the Creep-op. But real quick, though, on Scientology, I almost want to join Scientology because it's so fascinating. You can make a living off of just exposing them. Oh, yeah. That's amazing.

I just want to be in it. for a couple of years. And they just do shows talking about how ridiculous it was. I just can't imagine being in a room where they're talking about things. And doesn't anybody kind of look around like, did he just say that Zanu is going to come and save us all? Well, that's the thing. You're so pock committed at that point.

You've put so much time and money into this thing. You're like, gosh, if this is all fake, then I'm an idiot. And I don't want to be an idiot. Yeah. That's how they get you. All these cult's work. But yeah, the creep off is this true crime show. My buddy Vinnie Paul needed a stand-up comic, but he's always fascinated with.

these off-the-wall true crime stories. And so we do these shows where we highlight the scum of the week. We call it a scum parade. Right. And we just go through these different stories and have a laugh. I had a very lighthearted. You know, some of it's horrific. But we have some fun with that.

And we also, it's also a competition show. So we pick a different category every week and compete to who can find the biggest creep in that category. So, for example, because we were coming out here, we did creepiest person from Tampa. Okay. was the category for the most recent episode of the creep off. And so Vee and I both present a creep and then people go on our website and vote.

And we try to win a round. You got to get to five wins before the other person to win the round. And then the other person has to spin a wheel of consequences. They have to do embarrassing things if they lose. He's got tons of interacting, right? With your people? Yeah.

It's like you've got a huge community. Well, yeah, I think it's a lot of fun to let them dictate. We've been doing that on who are these podcasts lately too where we're starting to do little competitions and then putting up polls on Patreon, people can vote for who brought the worst podcast that week and stuff like that. So, yeah, I'm trying to incorporate

and listen to the feedback. Who was a Tampa guy? Who did I pick for my Tampa guy? Oh, it was this horrific story. I'll remember his name, but he thought his girlfriend was possessed by white demons. So. White demons?

Yeah, black couple. Yeah, black couple with two kids. My God. He thought that she was possessed by a white devil. So he shot her with a shotgun. She escaped the house, but he beat her to death with the shotgun. Then he took an axe to his nine-year-old special needs daughter. Then he stabbed his eight-year-old son, set both of the kids on fire, and left the house.

The son survived. He decided to defend himself in court, this guy. Always a good move. Always a good move. The judge was like, we. We highly recommend you to get an attorney. Okay. So he actually had to cross-examine his own son who he stabbed.

So I found some of that footage and played it on the show. But needless to say, the guy has three life sentences and we'll never see the light of day. I mean, that's a death penalty case. That should be a death penalty case. It should be. It should be. But it's, yeah, no opportunity for parole. So, yeah, that's the kind of stuff that we find those stories and we'll pull some news clips or stuff from the trial.

There's got to be a ton of stuff from Florida. Florida man comes up quite a bit. I got to be honest with you. You know, it's so funny people's, how long have you been in Florida? My whole life. Your whole life. Except for when I was on the run. Yeah, fair enough.

I had three years away. That's a good reason to leave Florida when people are looking for you. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But people's perception of Florida, I get it all the time because we bought a house down here last year. And so we have friends come down and visit us all the time. And everyone has these notions of what Florida is. Because of all these crazy stories and, you know, it's a swing state, so it's highly politicized and they're always talking about that kind of ship. It's just another, I think it's all the same.

I don't see that much of a difference. I mean, I'm from California. I mean, we were in L.A. last year. What a shithole. Yeah. Oh, listen. L.A. And San Francisco, even worse.

Yeah. They're shitholes. Yeah. They've let them get so bad. And so there are certain places. We were hanging out in Korea town. I think. And Skid Row is like right there. And we're just going, I'm there with a buddy of mine who lives in the area. So we're just like walking around going to different bars and stuff like that.

And I think he was fucking with us because we just walked right into Skid Row. I'm like, oh, this is no longer where I want to be anymore. We should probably get the fuck out of here. Do you know who, you know what soft white underbelly is? That sounds familiar. What is it? It's a, it's a guy named Mark Leda that runs a podcast. And he, like he spent his whole career working for like Adidas, Nike, Apple, like he's a photographer. Okay. And videographer. And so he got to an age and he just retired and he's got enough money. I can retire. And he went to Skid Row. He rented a large unit and started interviewing homeless people. But the quality of the interviews is phenomenal. Other than the fact that like I mean, the backdrop, the whole setup, the lighting, the audio,

it's amazing, with the exception of the fact that you've got this person who's, you know, addicted to God knows what and has done horrific things, has lived this horrific life. Like they can't, you know, they're twitching and they're, and, and I can't watch them. Like, my wife, she'll watch the whole thing. She'll watch six of them in a row. Like I know. It sounds fascinating. It is fascinating.

He switched to other people. I actually was interviewed by him, but he's right on Skid Row. So you'll hear people screaming. Yeah. Outside. You'll hear sirens. you'll hear and it's like where the fuck are we and we're like why would you pick this place he's like oh well this is this is the talent is yeah that's crazy guys are but i know because i've been down

there and it is it's like this is insane it's insane they're stumbling around they're walking around they're sleeping on the how they allow that to happen is crazy to me but uh i was watching a video these YouTubers who have too much money and too much time on their hands they bought a house off of Amazon and it's like an 18 minute long video right they bought a house and furnished it all from Amazon so there's just a billion boxes outside they're like on a tennis court or something they set up this house it just builds you pull it out push it out and now you've got this probably 600 square foot house it's got a working bathroom it's got a kitchen a hot plate and they're bringing in couches and TVs they're playing video games on this shit that's the future

right there. Fuck these tents. Right. We got to get all of these guys Amazon houses. That would be sweet. I mean, I don't think that you want it in downtown L.A., necessarily. Right.

Might take up a little bit too much room and fuck with traffic. But, you know, a little bit of the outskirts. Just give them all Amazon houses. That'd be fun. Oh, my God. It'd be a fun experiment. And then they can all be YouTubers.

I'd watch that. Um, let's get off this. I don't know what to say to that. Um, so, uh, Yeah, I was going to say, Florida, I was going to say back to Florida, Florida to me is people have a perception of Florida to me, which is always like beaches and palm trees and, and, um, Miami, like Miami Beach, Miami, but that's, that's part of it. But like 90% of Florida is pickup trucks, rednecks.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, South Georgia. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Um, yeah, you've seen the Grady Judd, the, um, the, um, the, the, um, the, the, um, the, the, um, the, the, um, the, the, The sheriff that he does like a, he does a little thing every day now. He puts out a little thing. And he'll do these press conferences and someone will say, you know, sheriff, your, your, your deputies, you know, any, any reason they fired 180 rounds into the trailer?

And he'll go, he goes, yeah, they ran out of bullets. Yeah, right. And they're like, and he goes, don't get it twisted. He said, dead can't, he was, evil can't be dead enough. That's hilarious. I mean, he's just straight, like, that's the way it is. And he's like, look, we found a dead body in the street. He'd been shot several times.

He has a history of robbing people and burglarizing houses. So we believe that he burglarized the house. Someone shot him. He got away, and he died in the street. We're looking for the homeowner. He was not that they're in trouble because he said, we encourage our citizens to have guns and shoot burglars. Yeah.

He said, the problem is he got away. and died later, like, we would have preferred you killed him in the house or on your own property. So we want to give you free lessons on firing your weapon. I mean, just, and you know, is he going to run for governor of this guy? Oh, my God, he's great. And, you know, you've got all these liberal, the, um, the media going. Yeah. And they, they throw these things out there. Like, they'll, they'll try and help him out. And he never takes the help. He's always like, no, let me go ahead and give you the meaningless. Sure. You don't know what you're saying right now. Yeah. You want to take that back?

Exactly. He's, he's, uh, he's vicious. But he's great. He's also the guy I want showing up. Yeah. Um, if someone brutalizes my house. Of course. So, uh, but yeah, that's that to me, that's, that's, that's Florida. Florida's a lot of different things for sure. You know, the north of the state, the south of the state, very, very different. Yeah. Yeah, you go to Palm, Palm Beach is vastly different than Tampa, which is vastly different than Miami. Right. Um, or Wesley Chapel. I mean, it's like every other, every other, uh, house has like a pickup truck in it. Right. Um, you know, there's, there's, there's two shows. There's, there's two shows. sheriff's deputies, this is funny, there's two sheriff deputies that live on this street. There's, like, these people are from South America. These people are from, they came over, um, from Cuba during the, uh, Mariel boat lift. Okay. Um, you know, the, like everybody in the whole street is Hispanic or black. Mm-hmm. The riff raft on the street is the, the, the white guy and the white chick that live here that

just got out of prison. Right. Like, you know, I'm like, oh, there goes the neighborhood. This is the new America. Matthew moving in. I'm playing it. I'm the guy. that they're looking at like, I can't believe you live in my name.

I'm like, how did you think to, I don't want to say go after the podcast, go after podcaster, but how did you, one, think of that of that theme and two, how do you pick the people? Yeah. You know, and what research do you do? Because you're not going into it. Although, and I'll say my buddy's name on Tommy, you did go. It was a deep dive. Like you, we've gone pretty deep with Tommy.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's fascinating today. I find him fascinating. He is fascinating. Yeah. That's the nicest point of foot it. So the reason we started, like I was saying before, is there used to be this segment on the Ope and Anthony show. Are you familiar with Ope and Anthony?

No. So that was a show that was out of Boston. And then they got fired from Boston but picked up in New York City. And then from there, they started getting syndicated in the Northeast. And then they got picked up by XM Radio to compete against Howard Stern on Sirius. Then the two companies combined, Sirius XM, and so they were national with the Open Anthony show on their channel. So they're known throughout the entire country to whoever was subscribing to Sirius XM back then. And they used to do this bit called Jocktober.

Every October, they would do Jocktober, where they would listen to other morning shows. So they would even do ones from my market, like Rochester, New York. They said, okay, today we're listening to 92.5, the B. and the morning show from there where Terry Clifford's the host and one of their interns would just pull these clips and they'd listen to little segments

and morning radio is so hokey and cheesy and they're trying to get callers to call it what was your favorite rock band when you were in high school give us a call let us know what you think death leopard that's a great call

wow some good hits from those guys just wasting time just not even a real conversation so they would play those bits and goof on them and I was listening to podcast podcasting, you know, pretty early on.

And it's having a hard time finding good podcasts. Right. A lot of garbage out there because this is before the celebrities got to do it. This is back when people like you and me were doing podcasts. Yeah, I was going to say it's getting competitive. Yes. Now it's very competitive. Yeah.

Now we're up against, you know, Theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan. Yeah. Well, I guess Joe Rogan has always been there. But so I had the idea. My buddy, Kevin, wanted to start a podcast. And I said, well, why don't we do like a Jocktober 4 podcasts? because I didn't see anyone else doing that. Nowadays, it seems like everyone is doing a reaction show on YouTube

where they're playing a clip of someone else's show and goof it out of there's something. But at this time, it wasn't really, YouTube wasn't hosting a lot of podcasts. It was very much an audio-only medium, just like talk radio. How long ago is this? This is 2016. Okay.

So this is my ninth year that we're in right now, doing the podcast. And so, yeah, so we just started doing, who are these podcasts? and my partner ended up quitting the show at episode 59. Why? So we're a little over a year in. Well, a couple things.

I think he got burned out on doing it every week because when I do something, I'm going to do it. Right. So if we're going to do this every Saturday at two, it's going to be every Saturday at two. It's a commitment. I'll move things around. Right. I'll move my schedule around to make sure that we do this thing because consistency, for anyone who's trying to get into podcasting, consistency.

is so important. Yeah. You know, you got to get a schedule and stick to it. Right. And I don't think that he wanted to do that.

Plus, his style of humor isn't as mean as mine is. So we were goofing on people and he was like holding back and stuff, which was fine. So I ended up because I play in bands. I have a lot of friends and we ball bust all the time.

So I just started inviting my other friends onto the show and a rotation of different people co-hosting it with me. And so we continued to do the show. And it wasn't until episode one. 107, I want to say. So now about two years into it. And Opie from Opie and Anthony started the podcast, Opie Radio, he called it. He had been off.

He was fired from Sirius. He'd been off for eight months. Everyone's like, what's Opie going to do? He comes back, makes this big splash, number two rated on iTunes. All these people are checking out what's Opie doing. We do a review of the show. It was Memorial Day weekend. I remember because that weekend on Sunday, somebody made a video

put it on YouTube of our show. They just took our audio and made a video of it and put it on YouTube. It had 75,000 views by day two. Okay. And this is, again, my show is getting 500, 600 downloads in episode. And it's just audio. And it's just the audio. And lo and behold, this video making fun of Opie is being seen by everyone who used to work with Opie.

So now Jim and Sam, who have taken over their time slot, Jim Norton and Sam Roberts, are talking about it on Monday morning. Anthony Coomia, who has his own show now, is talking about it on his show. So everyone involved in the old Ope and Anthony universe is noticing this and picking up on it. Right. And so I get an invite to go on Anthony Coomia's show,

not long after that. Nice. And so that was really what took off for us because I was almost ready to quit. Really? Yeah, because two years, no one's listening. It's every weekend.

I'm working a lot of hours with my normal job. I'm just going, I don't know if I want to keep doing this forever. Like, what am I trying to accomplish here? Because I never got into it to make money. Yeah. It was never the goal. But then when that caught on and then now I'm going on other people's shows and promoting it, that was the game changer. So what, so one thing, whenever people talk about starting a show, I always say basically like like the consistency thing.

I said, you have to be consistent because I said, you have to understand that YouTube's business model is we're trying to get the average guy. to start to basically run a network for us correct so to be consistent to you know what I'm saying to have quality like this what a brilliant strategy right like but consistency is huge because let's face it if if your favorite TV show doesn't come on consistently then you find a different one you find a different one that does I'd rather watch something I know on Tuesday nights this is what I watch well if they stop putting out friends well then I'm going to find something else well two things first off you know what I did this morning before I came over here is I made a thumbnail and I got my video making fun of Dana Carvey up

because I knew I needed to have the new episode up this morning before I came over here even though this is much earlier than I'm normally up in the morning but I wanted to make sure I got that done because it's important but the other point that I wanted to make is I think about like radio shows and TV shows they always take off around the holidays I never do because I think there's an opportunity there if you're putting out new stuff

and during Christmas break people are going no one's putting out new stuff they're putting out best of packages what else is out there the reason why a guy named Drew Lane out of Detroit found our show is because of precisely that

he was looking for something to listen to he was on a holiday break from his show and he found who are these podcasts he just started binging it came back after the new year and started talking us up on his show the Drew and Mike show out of Detroit number one show they beat Howard Stern

in the morning he's got a huge audience it's like our biggest market now because drew lane found our show and started talking us up and it was because i was putting out new episodes over christmas break yeah so consistency you don't know when it's going to hit but you have to be consistent right make sure it's there so how do you find how do you find oh yes that was the other question you had yeah so and what research do you do you do yeah you're right i got on a tangent i apologize you guys figure out like do you guys have like a strategy session or you just you just because by the way you know the the this the biggest crepe the creeper um you know what that reminds me of what's that um oh god what was it

my favorite murder yeah that the i forget their names of two comedians yeah they were i'm sure they're probably still a huge yeah yeah they're probably still they're hilarious hilarious but yeah they're making fun of serious situations yeah they're making light of it they're having fun with yeah but it is hilarious so there's a couple ways that we find shows to um review one of them is people send us in suggestions. So in our Discord channel, we have a whole channel just devoted to suggestions, people email us,

people call into the show. And so as I see the suggestions come in, they'll usually write why we should go over the show. Maybe they have some knowledge about the background and stuff. So they'll do some of the research for me. I'll take a look at it. Great. That looks good.

Once we pick a show and I reach out to whoever's going to guest with me, co-host the show with me, we usually have a little bit of a strategy session to say, hey, I'm going to check out this episode and this episode. Maybe you check out these ones over here because there have been a lot of times where we all listen to or watch the same stuff and then we have the same clips. Yeah, yeah. It's just a lot of overlap.

Like, oh, yeah, I pulled that too. So it's better to have different things, different perspectives. And as far as the research that goes into it, I love researching the stuff. I love going to the, if they have a subreddit dedicated to them, what are the listeners talking about? What are they saying is going on? I'll watch other reaction videos. if people have already covered the show.

So I try to come in really understanding the show and the hosts. I make it a point to say, right at front, this is a show hosted by so-and-so and so-and-so and putting out the names and explaining what the show is. I'll usually read the description of the show because I really want to understand what they're trying to accomplish. I think it makes it a lot more fun to then point out why they're failing miserably or maybe they're doing a great job.

Right. Sometimes that happens still. So I've done that with a guy named Wes Watson. Yes. I am shocked that you don't know who Wes Watson is. I'm not in this world. I need to find out more about him. Listen, I'm telling you right now you have to do an episode on it.

Because you will not run out of material. I love it. Well, you know what? Since you bring that up real quick, that's the other way that we find shows to review is now we have this roster of recurring shows that as they're putting out new episodes, we're going in and checking out each of these episodes because we really know the background of these shows and our listeners are following it. So it's a lot of fun to go back and see that, which tomorrow night we're doing a live

show at the Central Park Performing Arts Center in Largo. And we'll definitely be doing a lot of segments of people, people are familiar with stuttering John Melendez from the Howard Stern show is one that we always like to talk about. Which Tommy has had on several times, I think. I found Tommy right correct but yeah tell me more about this character um in fairness he doesn't always behave like this he'll calm down but pretty much this is what he does oh okay and he'll supposedly he's making i don't know whatever several million uh like a month or something like that it's outrageous the amount of money he's making doing coaching and he he abuses people so he he calls you

names, he yells at you. This is a guy who did, but this is part of the funny thing. He has to be doing at scale then. He's not doing this one on one. He's making millions. He also has tons of people signing up for his courses for his. It's like, first of all, the money he says he's making, everybody that's looked into it and does the number says he can't be making that money. That's not can't be making that much money. Um, and then like the vehicles that he has, guys will look into it and they're like, well, these vehicles aren't in his name. You know what I'm saying? Right. They're like, so does he? have a corporation? Does he have it? I'm not sure how that's working. You know, where he lives,

he doesn't own that place. You know, there's all these things like, so there's some faking it until you make it. The other thing is he'll say he went to, you know, I'm sure you don't know anything about prisons, but the prison system, he'll be like, I was in California State Prison. I was in a level three yard. Well, I mean, that's where there's, there's just gang activity stabbing each other all the time. They're locked up all the time. These guys are. So, and he talks about how I was a shot caller. And the truth is, somebody pulled his records, his prison record and like you only time you went to california state prison was when you went to the there are these these little prisons where they they sort you like we're going to send you here

because you're violent like they kind of looked through your stuff and say you'll be better here here so he went there he was there for like a month or two until they kind of designated him and then he went to Arizona and then he was in two prisons in Arizona neither one of them were pins were pins they were like a medium and a low so it's like you but and then he says oh I did I did I did 12 years or he says 10 years and he actually did like seven and a half like everything across the board is like crazy how people would just lie about shit that anyone can look up well keep in mind almost nobody does but here's a funny thing like it only takes one one person looking up and post it so if you're going to say you know i did 10 years like bro seven and a half is a long time yeah two

i'm listening to you yeah right right you want to tell me about your prison experience that's enough you don't have to tell me i was a shock call it you look at you you're in prison you're in maniac i don't here if you never left a medium. Don't, don't lie to me. You know, it's, you don't remember why me it's like going into Iraq. You don't have to lie to me and tell me there are weapons of mass destruction. Tell me you want the oil. I'm okay with that. Right. Yes. Don't lie to me to get your way. Yeah. So this is an example of him. And I've had guys that have called him up and paid like 300 bucks to talk to him on the phone. And, you know, and usually it's supposed to be like business advice from this guy. And they'll talk to him. They're like literally,

he called me a bitch five or six times within 15 minutes, hung up on me twice, and then just kept my $300 and never answered the phone again. So he's a grifter. Yes. This is a grift, obviously. You just looked like a fucking idiot. And the thing is, is you must not know no real pain. Does he have comments turned on on these videos?

Oh, God. Look. How are the comments on these? They love him. Simple. Straight up princess tells me that. that he's having trouble sleeping. Mother f***er, man.

Your bed is so comfortable. Your life is so good. You let that shit run a train on your soft. I remember one time the craziest tornado came through Sayer, Oklahoma, tore the whole place up, and all they do is come running by. Get on your bed, oh, they're freaking out.

And me and my boy in a cell were smoking a joint when they came rolling up. We're just blazing, and the dude's like, hey, get on your bed. I'm like, hey, dude, what do you, what are you tripping about, man? And we're just, we don't even care at this point. We're just lit. We're blazed.

And they're saying there's a crazy tornado. This tornado tore up the whole kid. So this guy just tells tall tales. He does. He does. What's even funnier is that there are guys out there that have recorded their interactions with him. And I mean, he's just completely abusive. It's, it's hilarious.

So are you trying to set me up? I come on here. I tell the story about how there's this Marissa Jones character. tried to ruin my life. He will do anything. And now you're getting, this guy has got me by 300 pounds. And you're telling me I should go after him. And 10 times of meanness. So, oh, we've done a couple videos. Some of my best videos like, what, 100, 200,000 views have been just me and my buddy joking like, this guy, like these guys don't really exist. And then the thing is on my channel, guys will come in and say, look, I've been, you know, to a pen. I've been to pin one or

pin to in federal and I've been to a state pin here and they're like these does a guy like that like yell and scream every once in while yeah but mostly that guy's quiet like yeah your own people will basically tell you calm down or or check in because your behavior is going to bring heat on us you're acting like a maniac you know you don't behave like that in prison and and it's it is it's just a griff like he gets these guys that need tough love and here's the thing if you listen to as a device if you sift through all the abuse he's got decent advice like what what kind of advice you know like you know work out get up early work out if you don't like yourself and you know you're not getting girls then then become the person that that those women who the fuck doesn't know this i people don't

know it people don't yeah people don't have fathers and they they they need somebody to to kind of push them in the direction and and you know watching an instagram or a ticot isn't gonna is that you know it's great the little saying with the music. It's sweet, but some guys need a guy like Wes Watson to say, get the fuck out of bad. What do you do? They need that. I don't. The common sense part of it is what blows my mind. This guy's going out there and going, yeah, you know what? You got to eat right and work out. Like, yeah, no shit. We all know that. Make your bed. Go to work. Get a job. Pay your bills. But he doesn't say it like that. So if I said that, the guy would be like, yeah, all right, well, I'm going to go sit on the couch and play, you know, play video games for all day

and not look for a job. Wes Watson screams at him. That guy's like, well, what should I do? You fucking nests you fucking get on fucking google fuck you know he just starts the other like all right west all right and then they do it so some people need that but he's insane yeah if you watch a couple videos you guys i'm almost more interested in his fans i want to find the people who are actually watching this guy to find out of their lives oh listen that you can go to my uh comment section on my videos half the fans no 75% are his fans no shit because they're finding it you soft ass bitch motherfucker I'm like Jesus you know they're so yeah they're vicious they'll come after me in that you know in the comment section that's it yeah I never sought out someone

abusing me I don't know maybe I'm soft oh no yeah I'm me too I'm a soft as cotton because I can't have I can't be a rally guy like that the anxiety I used to one of the things I said it was if I walked into a prison cell like if you know hey Cox you're in you know two you know two 15 yeah and I walked into two 15 and closed the door and I saw a guy like West Watson, I'd be like, this is my worst fucking night. Yeah. Like this guy, what's going on, Sally? How are you doing?

What's up? You know, I'd be like, oh, shh. Like, I can't, I need someone quiet that's going to let me read. This guy's going to be pacing the fucking cell, wanting to talk all the time. Yeah, that manic energy. Can't fucking deal with it. Yeah. But these are broken people who need that in their lives.

I guess so. I mean, I'm not trying to start a flight with a couple million people right now. Well, but I guess I am. You have to. You have to. We'll do a deep dive on that. Thank you. Yeah.

appreciate it. And Spencer Cornelius just did a whole, well, he did what, 30, 45 minutes on him, something like that? He did a video. Like, you know, it's kind of a deep guy. Okay. I'll check that out then, too. Yeah. Excellent. It's funny too because when I texted him. No, I said, hey, man, I just watched your video. Hilarious. Well, whenever he said, hey, he said, I watched your video and that's what gave me the idea to do this. He's like, I mean, what a character, huh? And I was like, yeah. But yeah, but he breaks down. I think Spencer breaks down like he'll brag about making this much money but the truth is if you do the numbers he kind of breaks it down like it's possible based on what he says he's making he could be making this much money and he breaks it but not what he says he's doing i was going to say one more thing

this is you'll love this i had a guy contact me in the in the in the comment section no no it was Instagram. He works out at the gym that Wes Watson works out. And West Watson trains like 10 people at a time. Okay. And he said, you want to talk about abuse? He said, some guy will come in late and he'll be like, what's wrong with you, motherfucker? I told you fucking nine o'clock. And he'll just, you know, you fucking bitch. He's like, I'm sorry, Wes. I'm sorry. You don't understand. He's like, there was traffic. He's like, account for that shit. Motherfucker. It's L.A. you know i mean just he's like he yells at these guys not he's surprised the gym's okay right oh i'm sure it's one of those gyms where guys are screaming and hot it's it's definitely not it's not

it's not la fitness right yeah obviously but yeah he's like boo he said this guy is insane the way he behaves and talks to these people so anyway yeah sorry no i i i i lost my train of thought but uh this is what this is going to tell you this is going to tell you in my experience Because I look at these podcasters who brag and are braggadocious all the time. And in my experience, guys who talk about much money they make, don't make that much money. Right. Guys you talk about getting laid a lot, don't get laid a lot. The people who are actually living the lives and doing these things are kind of quiet about it.

Yeah. Pretty humble about it. They don't need to prove anything to you. Oh, listen, I've known many, many multi-millionaires. Yeah. They drive a 10-year-old volvos. Yeah. They live in a nice house, you know, but not something that if things went bad, they couldn't

make the mortgage payment. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They don't flaunt it. They never flaunt it. They're not wearing ridiculous clothes and what they're not watching or wearing big bling bling watches with all these diamonds. It's the, it's the people who are faking it who do that shit.

Right. Because they want you to think that they have that going on. And when you actually have that going on and you've earned it, that's a big part of it too when you've earned it for yourself. Yeah. That's when you're a little more humble about it. You don't feel like you need to go out bragging everyone. Yeah.

There may be like new money who, some guy who accidentally or invented something that he thought might do okay and next thing you know it's bringing in 20 million dollars a month he might go out and you know been stupid do you know john sarasani is no sounds familiar why so he he's all over instagram he's got a podcast as well but he's one of these guys who was in b-to-be sales making decent money probably 300,000 a year or something and then he's like fuck this so he started up his own company sold it now he's got a few million dollars it's exactly what you're talking about every video on instagram bragging about his house bragging about his car he buys friends he was hanging out with Joe Rogan the other day

because it was Tom Segura's launch party for their vodka right and he just wanted to get photos with the guys and be like hey look at me I'm hanging out with Tom Segura and it's it's one of these guys who just need you to validate him so badly right it's like if you're doing that well then why do you care what I think exactly I can't imagine why you would care what anybody you think yeah it's bizarre I only have one or two people in my life that I I'm semi-concerned what they think right you know as you should yeah family yeah family exactly it's like I want them to think well of me but it's not I'm not gonna lose sleep if they don't you're right for the right reasons like um so what are some of your favorite that you've uh videos that you've

are podcasters what is some of the most absurd podcasters okay well I have to tell you and I know you're friends with Tommy okay I think you I think he rebranded Tommy T show or something that it's called, which is a good move because MSCS, me, no one understood why it was called that. They didn't, I think he was trying to do something with his companies. He had an engineering firm. And I don't even know, all these different MSCS different things that he was doing. So I think that he's, he's smart to make that move.

But we were fascinated by him because Stuttering John was bragging. So we followed Stuttering John pretty closely. And John was bragging about his buddy Tommy in Florida, is flying him out, putting him up in a hotel. and paying him money to be on the show. And I went, huh, all right. Well, this guy must have a lot going on. So we watch his show and 500,000 views on every episode. Yeah, within a few days.

I've never heard of this guy. How is this possible? I pay attention to podcasts. You know, I listen to a lot of shows. I know it's popular out there. And then we're looking at the comments. And it doesn't look like English is the first language for these comments. Very generic.

Another good one, Tommy. This was a great episode again. Like, who writes comments like this? This is not what people. People don't feel compelled to write. This was pretty good. Yeah. Good go, Tom.

Yeah. Right. What's the point of that? Doesn't make any sense. So we were fascinated just from the Stuttering John stuff. And then we started digging deeper into some of his other shows because he was getting some pretty big names. Yeah.

He's gotten some pretty big names on there. Yeah. Yeah. And what's funny is some of those episodes, like basically, like he had Patrick Bet David on there. Patrick Bet David. carries the whole that luckily he talks 95% of time and carries the whole episode oh when he when he has smart people on he doesn't talk i don't like those episodes right well i like what he's talking

those are the ones that when he starts going off on some theory or aliens or like that then i'm tuned in i want to see what he's going to say about that's my favorite you when we talk you were like i don't is his first language english dude i i'm convinced i'm convinced there's no way his first language is english because he doesn't get any phrases correct. Yeah. He never knows the word that he's looking for, which is fine. I don't speak more than one language. If that's his second language, I'm impressed.

That's pretty good. It's not. His only language is English. I showed you the text that he said. It's so crazy. Because you can imagine what, you know, when someone talks, you kind of can feel out like what they're saying, but when he texts you and he's not in front of you, then it's like, no idea.

He'll take what should be one. sentence and it's three texts. So he's one of those guys that bombards you. He's like, so you're reading three different texts to try and figure it. And then you're still like, you know, I think this is what he's saying. Yeah. And then you have to figure it out. And then, but while you're trying to read that, it's shifting up. Because he's still hitting it. Yeah. And then by there's no way you can respond to the first two things. Right. I have no idea. And now I'm completely lost at the whole, the 18 texts you've sent me. I have no idea what you're trying to say. I don't know about you. I get overwhelmed by that. And so I go, I go, I'll respond another time.

that I never do. Yeah. I'll yell at them. I'll yell at people. What are you doing? Yeah. Here's how you do it. Think about what you want to say.

Put your thoughts together. Formulate the sentence structure. Yeah. Then write it out. Read it to yourself. Yes. Proof read it. Wait for me to respond.

Punctuate. Pactuate. It would be nice to know with the sentence on. Yeah. That's helpful. Appreciate that. So we were blown away by this guy who obviously is trying to be Joe Rogan. He's trying to have those types of.

of conversations with his guest long-form interviews and a nice studio. He's got his Jamie. Hey, pull this up on the screen over here. He's doing all the Joe Rogan stuff. And that was one of the things I picked up on right away. And we went, well, wait a second. This can't be real. Right.

These can't be real views. So then I'm looking at his MSCS engineering website, which I don't think is up anymore. But. Probably because of you. None of it's grammatically correct. Right. And it's all about like all these services they have. and lo and behold, they do everything you could possibly do.

Yeah. It's crazy. And so you're like, well, this can't be a real company. It's all generic photos and things, all stock footage, and all the wording is incorrect. I'm like, I've been in this world, a B2B marketing. Right. I used to live in that space. I'm going, no one's hiring this company based on this website.

This can't, this can't be a real other. So then I'm going, is everything just a front? Is that like, is he the fake it so you make it guy? Or is all of this just a front? So we've been fascinated by how I'm sure you have some insight into this. I have some insight, you know, it's like he, he is, he is a friend of mine. As much as you can, you know, anybody can be a friend of Tommy's, you know, it's, he's sporadic and he's all over the place. And he's, he's, he's super hyper, you know, he's from Philadelphia originally.

And he ended up in West Palm through mysterious circumstances. you know but listen but has always been treated me very well yeah you know what I'm saying so it's hard it's like you ever have that friend who's a knucklehead and you see them do knucklehead things but they have a heart of gold they have a heart of gold and he does have a heart of gold you know he's just it's like what are you doing like this is not working what you're doing like the whole thing the views the the subs it's like stop it bro Like, what's happening? The advertising?

The advertising. The Spotify, exclusive. He was advertising monster energy or something. Right. You don't have monster energy. And monster energy is not advertising. Well, he was advertising flavors that no longer exist. No.

Because we're going to the website. He's going, yeah, just go to this website, follow, blah, blah. And it's like, yeah, the website's updated. Your ad is not. Right. This is not a thing right here. But, yeah, so we kind of saw through a lot of the bullshit on that one. But to give you some other example.

We don't have to talk about Tavi. Right. To give you some other examples, sometimes we find podcasts where it's just weirdos. Like we did an adult diaper show not too long ago. You get these people and they find each other because of the internet. Yeah. I don't think this used to exist that much. I think it'd be harder to find people who in their 30s like peeing into a diaper back

of the 80s. I don't think that happened as much, right? Yeah. How would they ever connect? How would you connect? And also, there'd be like some shame around that. So if you were into that, you wouldn't tell a lot of people. Right.

Keep it to yourself. But when you have 160 or 100, 200 people in the comments going, oh, bro, have you ever tried this? Yeah. Now there's a community around it. And now all your best friends like peaking in a diaper. And so now they're doing podcasts and there's out in the open and acting like, yeah, isn't this great?

We're all peeing in our diapers together. We're going to have a party together. So those types of shows are fun furries. What are they? What are they? What? You know what furries are. Somebody who thinks they're like a cat or something.

Yeah, they were the elaborate costume. They cost a lot of money and they go to these conventions. And it's basically ugly people fucking each other when you boil it all down. Now, furries would argue with me on that. But basically that's what the whole game plan is. So do channels like that have like subscribers and do they get views? Or they like it's got 400 views and they've got 800 subscribers? Yeah, they're not doing huge numbers.

None of these real like weirdo niche things are doing huge numbers. But it's crazy because their community is very connected. Right. We were talking before about how on my shows, we put polls out, we get a lot of audience participation. Like these shows do a great job with that because you have all these people who, oh my gosh, I found my people. Right.

This is, wow. I belong here. This is where I belong. I'm comfortable with these people. And again, the internet, I mean, if I make my living off the internet, I always have. But I don't know if it's a good thing. Right. I could argue with you that the internet's very bad for society.

Right. Yeah, I was going to say it's like TikTok. Like I'm getting a check, but I feel like there's some bad stuff going on maybe, you know. It's rotting people's brains. Yeah, it's really. It's very bad for you. The addictiveness of it. You know what? Social media in general, I do a show called Who Are These Socials? Yeah. So that's on Thursdays at 6 o'clock on our channel. And so who are these socials? We go through TikTok and that's how we found John Sarasani on Instagram, Reefi. and we're looking at Twitter and everything else. And it's crazy to me that we know social media is bad for you. There's been countless studies that people who spend more time on social media are more depressed, anxious, suicide rates are going up amongst young people, all these things that if this was tobacco,

they would be like, well, okay, children can't use this product. It's bad for them. And 18's not high enough. Now it's 21. Yeah. And every politician is going, yeah, look at what I just did. I saved our kids by doing this thing. For whatever fucking reason, we all know social media is terrible for people.

And yet every single kid has TikTok and Instagram and Snapchat. And parents are just like, well, yeah, I mean, all their friends have it. So, well, all their friends are doing meth. So, yeah, what are you going to do? And I don't want my kid to be the only one not doing math. It's crazy to me. My wife and I walked around the block the other day at a different time than we normally do. And there was, there were about seven or eight kids out kind of like.

like shooting like playing back and I mean like young kids like 10 12 years old and I was like and I remember you know that sparked a whole conversation for because it was almost like when I saw them I thought shouldn't they be inside playing video game yeah you don't see it anymore and so we I was like you know I said wow so you know what it was starting to get dark and I was like you know that reminds me of my I literally my mother would come out at like 530 or like six or seven o'clock and scream you know dinner yeah and I would be two blocks away and hear her and come back or we would be out playing and she would say come back when the lights come on yep and light's come on right when the street lights like that doesn't happen anymore so when i saw

these kids uh we we had this whole conversation and and my wife was like she's like it's like it's like it's amazing to see kids out she just because think about it everybody in this neighborhood has kids almost everybody you never see them never see the kids never well you know that's another thing too i don't think that society is more dangerous than it used to be maybe in the last couple years it has been. But society isn't more dangerous. But for some reason, because of the true crime phenomenon, all these TV shows, all these ADD things and yeah, the podcast and everything else, you hear about all these abductions and all this crazy shit that happens. And because of that, your brain plays tricks on it. You don't understand how statistics works. So kids are not allowed to

just go and hang out. And when I was younger, I was talking about how I grew up skateboarding. Me and my friends would get together in the morning. We'd go out. We would take the lost into the city. We would just go out to all these different places and go skateboarding all day long. No phone. No phone. No phones. No nothing.

Be back by six o'clock. And yeah, we just had to be home in a certain time and then we would be. Or we'd call. Be like, oh, I'm staying over at Nick's house. We're going to escape all night. You know, whatever. Do you know where Bush, you know, you've heard of Bush Gardens? Yeah, of course.

So there's Bush Gardens and then there's Adventure Island. Yep. Which I lived, we probably lived. four miles, five miles from there on the Hillsborough River in Temple Terrace. My mother for summer bought me a pass, like a summer pass, and I can go

to either one of them. I'm telling you right now, I rode my bike almost every single day, all the way to Adventure Island or Bush Gardens hung out there all day, came back at by, had to be back by like 6 o'clock and that was it. She didn't know where I was. Yeah. I'm stumbling out of the house at 9.30 or 10

in the morning. I'm gone. The whole summer. And now you have, and not to get off on all of this, but doesn't that seem way more healthy? Now you have these kids who are going into job interviews with their parent there with them. Like they need an adult at all times. Like, no, you're the adult now. You're not talking about a child. You're talking about a 22 or 23 year old.

Right. They're out of college. Right. And they're bringing their parents with that to a job interview. So, yeah, I don't think we're going in the right direction on these things. It's crazy. Oh, my God. Yeah, so, okay, so it's just those are the two episodes.

Sorry, going back to anything, anything on the horizon. What do we have on the horizon? You know, one of the bigger podcasts out there is Fly on the Wall. And it's David Spade and Dana Carvey. Oh, yeah. And they, I didn't know it was named. Yeah, it's called Fly on the Wall. It's a real big show.

Yeah, they're funny. And David Spade's great. I really like him a lot. And they talk about SNL and they bring on people who used to be on SNL or maybe hosted and stuff like that. And they just started a spinoff show called Superfly. We just reviewed it this past week. And Dana Kirby was very funny on Saturday Night Live 35 years ago, 40 years ago, whatever it was.

He's lost it. He has no idea how to improv and he gets stuck in these impressions that he can't get himself out of. He'll just start doing George Bush out of no way. and just start doing the wouldn't be prudent you know just start doing his old you know church lady and shit you're like Dana you with hey right come back to us here Dana what's going on um so I'm fascinated by that I'd be doing a lot more research into that I told you about my buddy Drew Lane uh out of Detroit so Drew radio guys entire life went market to market you know how

these radio guys go they just keep upgrading bigger and bigger markets and he finally found his home in Detroit and was on for decades morning radio doing very well. He switched over to podcasting because, you know, these radio stations are all downsizing and people making the big paychecks. Right. Can't have those people on the staff anymore. Now we got to get the morning show that's also syndicated from seven other markets cheaper to get them on.

So he started doing a podcast. And the reason why he latched on to us, what he liked about our show is I called out these celebrities who think it's easy to just do a radio show. I'm already a celebrity. I'll just do a radio show. I was like, no, there's a skill to this. Yeah, yeah. It's not just because I'm a personality, because I've been in movies,

because I have a music career. Now I can interview my friends and it'll be interesting and compelling. There's so many celebrity podcasts, like Dak Shepard's a great example, where they just have their friends come over to their house. And they talk about nothing. It's such surface level bullshit. If they actually talked about their real lives, it might be interesting. But they don't.

They have a publicist. that anyone who has a publicist is not a good interview. Right. Right? Because they're getting coached on what they can say and what they can't say. So I like to point out, we love when celebrities get podcasts. Whenever there's a new celebrity getting into podcasting, I love to look at that. Pretty material.

It's, it's a, it's, because everyone knows who they are already. Right. And, you know, you were talking about how you found me. And a lot of people find our show based on the shows that we're reviewing. Yeah, yeah. I was going to say it's great way to kind of conscript their subscriber base. Exactly. Exactly. So if I'm reviewing Joe Rogan, now Joe Rogan experience is the title of my podcast episode. Right. A lot of people are looking for that. Yeah. You know, so you're going to get

a lot of eyeballs on things like that. So I find it, it works at both ways. You know, you find a celebrity podcast. You know, Brendan Schaub's a great example. Yeah. Brendan Scha became, you know, MMA guy, decided to go into comedy, terrible at it. Right. Has all these podcasts, terrible at it. There's giant communities online that just make fun of him. He sued a guy, a YouTuber, just lost the lawsuit for defamation or something. And so it's like one of these guys that everyone's focusing on. And you do those types of shows. People find it because they're looking for that content as well.

And it's easy to goof on these people because they have massive egos. They think that whatever they say is interesting because people have told them that their entire lives. Yeah. You surround yourself with a yes man. And you're going to start doing some pretty stupid stuff. Yeah. I was going to say most of the comedian ones are funny, you know, because comedians, to me, are super sharp.

So they can kind of go back and forth. You know, Tim Dillon's one of my favorite podcasts. Yeah, yeah. I think he's – I love Tim Dillow. Yeah, he's pretty funny. He's great. And I subscribe to his Patreon and I go see him live whenever I can. He's fantastic.

He's one of these guys who gets it. He can just, off the top of his hat, just come up with these bizarre scenarios. Like, how do you even think like that? that. This is fantastic. Most comedians aren't like that. And I've noticed like we did a show a couple times. Rich Voss is married to Bonnie McFarland. And they had a show. It was actually on Sirius years ago called My Wife Hates Me. Okay. So they're a married couple and they just sit down at a table and they're done and they just bullshit and bicker like a married couple for an hour a week. Okay. It's terrible. And I like Rich Voss and I like Bonnie. And they're just putting no effort

into it. They're just doing a low effort podcast, but they think because they have the experience, they've been on all these radio shows, people know their names, they can just go on and phone it in. I love calling people out. Right. Who phone it in because they think they can just get by on their notoriety. The whole, like even just having a discussion with you is way harder than interviewing some, a normal person, right? Because a normal, most of my episodes go like where I follow a basic kind of a format. And so for an hour and a half or so, all I have to do is go, right. Yeah. What'd your parents think? What did the, you know, when you got arrested, did they tell you to come down or did they pull their guns? Oh, they pulled my guns. Oh,

what's your lawyer saying? You're bringing people who have a story to tell. Yeah, they have a story. And the most I have to do is coax them. And I already know the story because I've been through it. And I've interviewed a hundred guys that have been through something. It doesn't matter whether they're selling, you know, cocaine or their, or it's a Ponzi scheme. You still use it. They all follow the same thing you were a normal guy and then this opportunity came and most people would have said not interested and you said sounds like a plan and then you it slowly went built up things happen you know you either got around those things you got arrested right away or you continue to get over obstacles that came you know in your path and your crime was much longer and then you know

maybe there were car chases there was an investigation you got arrested your lawyer told you this maybe you got bombed maybe it didn't you eventually pled guilty or you went to trial you went to prison what was that like now what are you doing now like that's it it's like the formula changes very subtly right that's easy but when you're having a conversation with you and you know like you and i are having like i have to really pay attention and i have to try and come up with something witty and i'm not fast enough to come so that's why every once while you'll stop it i'm just like so then what well i i appreciate you having i want to say i appreciate you having me on i really do because i know that i'm very different as a guest on this show oh yeah yeah yeah so i i i love that and

one of the things that I've been trying to do since I've become a professional podcaster is we do a lot of live shows. So we've done Chicago, Nashville, Philly, Detroit a couple times, my hometown, Rochester. We're in Largo near Tampa tomorrow night this weekend. I got Las Vegas coming up later in the year. And the live shows are... How does that work? Like, do you have an auditorium or I don't understand?

Yeah, we're in theaters. Really? Yeah. So I bring... a pretty big crew with me. Okay. So it'll be, we have a rotating cast on WATP.

We have some celebrities that come on from time to time. But basically it's me and my friends. Okay. And so we bring, we all come down, we get an Airbnb, we hang out for the weekend. It's a lot of fun.

Like tonight, I'm going to go to Hulk Hogan's place and all the people who are traveling in from out of town to come to the show are going to come by and meet up with us and we'll hang out and have some drinks and stuff like that. And one of the reasons why I've been doing these live shows and trying to get out and do things is to have interesting things happen.

Right. To have stories. So, you know, when you go to these places and you document what happens and who you run into and what goes down at the show, like that's an important element now to have stories to tell. You know, it was happening to me like it did with that person trying to get my life ruined. Right. That happened to me. Yeah. I didn't do anything to make that happen.

So now I'm trying to actively do things to have things happen. Yeah. Okay. Right. I mean, isn't that part of being a personality and having a show is a living interesting life? I watch these guys. I won't name any names, but there are certain people.

And you were talking about the Scientology guy, Aaron, right? You were saying he goes on stream four times a day. Yeah. I see guys like that too. They're doing it for super chats. Right. So they're in their house and they're going on live two, three times a day. And that's all they're doing.

So if I'm witnessing your life every day, you can't really tell me anything I don't already know. Right. You're not doing anything. Right. It's not interesting. Yeah. Well, I think Aaron's also tormenting the hell out of Scientology. So he's got some other things that he's doing to throw like a, you know, a hammer in the machinery.

I didn't mean the him. No, no. I understand. Per se, because he has the life experience. It's fascinating. Well, but you're probably right because that those are probably the things he'll organize, you know, he'll organize a whole protest and that gives him a whole like that whole day he'll get arrested that's a whole day of new a new content you know i think got arrested this happened then he could

talk about that for the next week and what his lawyer said and what speaking of that do you guys know chile de castro delete laws on youtube tell me you know about chili de castro i don't know any money i would think that this guy would would maybe be on your radar he just he just got arrest, well, he just got convicted. He's going to serve 180 days, I think. So this guy, it's not even worth unpacking. Should I bring a toothbrush? I don't know. This is ridiculous. I wouldn't even get to a book series. It's a great response. So this guy was arrested for drug dealing. He was going to be a power ranger. He was cast as a power ranger. He was an actor out in LA. And then he, the story is, and I've done.

some research on him. The story is he was selling whatever the date rape drug is. So not a good hyponol. Yeah. I think. I probably said it wrong. So not a good thing. Yeah. Right. Kind of a bad thing. And he talks about this no knock raid that happened on his house that ruined his life as if. Because you weren't selling drugs? Well, that's what's so funny about it. This just happened to me. He's just like, the police just arrested me. They can do it to you too. It's like, no, they're not going to do it to me. I'm not selling the date rape drug. But, okay. If you say so. So he's now on a crusade because he lost his opportunity to be a star in Hollywood.

So now his entire YouTube channel is dedicated to fucking with police officers while they're trying to do their jobs. It's a bad idea. It's a very bad idea. That's why he's in jail right now. But what he'll do, speaking of what we're talking about, he'll do some of those shows where he's just sitting there and he's interacting with the chat. But he'll do a lot of shows. He's in Vegas where he'll just go out and there's a car accident and the police come. And he's just got his phone out and he's got another camera here.

and it's just like, hey, pig, what are you going to do? Are you going to arrest these guys? You pig? And he's just like trying to stir shit up and get people. So obstruction was what he was charged for. I'm going to arrest you. I'm going to place you in the back of my car. And then I'll let you out later or maybe tomorrow.

But he claims to be a constitutional law scourer. Listen, I, I've interviewed several. I bet you have. I have. You know, and first of all, one, the interviews don't ever, they don't do well. But two, when you talk to the guys, it's just like, you know, well, this is one. this is what happened. I'm like, do you think maybe that was a bad idea?

And then they'll go, they'll say, well, by law, they can't this. I'm like, yeah, I understand, but there's still like good taste. You were standing outside of an elementary school with a sign that says, you know, you're killing babies. Like, it's an elementary school. Parents are dropping their kids off. Their kids are seeing this. They're driving by. Like, just because it is legal doesn't mean you should do it.

Right. You're looking for trouble. And so, right. And they can't this, but they did. They did arrest you. They did throw you in jail. They did take you to trial. You did go to trial.

You did lose. All right. And they can't do that. I understand. You know what I mean, guys I've met that you know where a sovereign citizen is. Of course. You know how many sovereign citizens I've met that were in prison for not paying taxes? And I'm like, right.

But they have the guns and the prisons and the guards. And the whole time you're here for the next four years, you can tell everybody about how they can't keep you here. And it's illegal. But you're going to do every day of that time. Listen, your last name ain't Biden. All right. You got to pay your taxes. Right.

Yeah. No, it is fascinating to me. And we could get into all this, which we won't. I do think that. Because I want to leave. No. I have a drive. Just because this is, this would go down a whole rattle. I do think that our freedoms are being taken away and that a lot of these guys are correct. There's a way to go about it. Correct. Standing outside screaming, like, I don't mind the guys that are polite. The guys, they walk and they go, oh, I want to see your ID. I want this. And they're like, yeah, I'm sorry. I don't have to.

I know I don't have to give you that. I'm not doing anything. I'm standing over here. Right. Like, that's the right way to do it. Correct. But when you're, now I'm going to get into a confrontation with the police officers. And what this guy sells, so his whole grift is he tells you, anytime you're pulled over by a police

officer, they might kill you. So this is why, but his premise is, you know, going back to that thing where I said, you know, parents are afraid for their children. because that's all they hear about is the bad incidents that happened. Right. It's like, no, no, no, 99.99% of people get pulled over don't get murdered by the police officer.

Okay, if you cooperate, you'll be fine. Right. Don't wunge at them. Don't reach for your gun. You'll probably be okay. But this guy explains that you have to go through all this whole process or else the police are going to kill you. So he sells this card that you put up on your visor

that tells you all the steps of what to do when you get pulled over by a police officer. And this is a guy who doesn't handle it well. I watch the videos of I'm getting pulled over because he's actually trying to get pulled over. Right. And then he treats the cop like an asshole. And it's like, why am I going to buy advice from this guy about how to deal with police officer? I'm better at it than him.

Right. And he probably gets arrested periodically. He does. And he also likes to march into the precinct and, you know, interview people. And they're just like, sir, can you leave? No, it's my tax dollars to pay for you. He thinks he's going to run for governor. You know, he's one of these assholes.

So he's interesting to it. So on federal on federal probation, like I've been. pulled over twice and given a ticket once. Perfectly nice. You know, like the guy, they, you know, come up and, you know, I roll the window down. I don't roll it down this much. You go, no, you can hear me. You know, I roll it down.

Hey, are you, Mr. Cox? I'm like, yeah, do you need my license? Listen, I think the cop had already, I show him my license. He just looked at me and I think he said, I don't think I even gave my license. I know I didn't give my registration. And I said, do you need my registration? Everything. He said, no, I already pulled it up.

He said, look, you know, you were going this fast. that's a X amount of ticket I'm gonna give you a ticket for this it's less it's only $200 the other one's 400 you're going a little bit fast yeah you know reckless driving I'm gonna give you this

not paying attention to a road sign or something that's only $200 he's like I'm you know and he was so totally cool that would have gone way different if I'd been an asshole and I'm on federal probation of course if he can fuck with anybody

he knows I'm on federal probation as soon as he walks up he could have walked up and been like step out of the vehicle or call somebody else we're going to search your car because I can't not consent

to a search I'm on probation I don't have the same rights you have. If they knock on my door right now and say, look, we want to search your whole car, or your whole house right now for drugs, I'd be like, of course you do. Do you want me to sell on the couch or should I go stand on the car?

Right, exactly. So, but yeah. I always say, because I've lost my driver's license, it's been a long time since then. I used to drive like an asshole. But I always say, you know how you drive when you don't have a driver's license? The speed limit.

Yeah. Right. This is not difficult to figure out. And I've been, one of the things we've been doing on the creep off lately, is there's all these cop cam YouTube channels and I used to love the show cops

they took it off the air George Floyd I think it's back now but you used to love that show now that every police officer is being recorded and everything that they're doing is being recorded I don't think it was always this way

they're very polite they're very patient they are patient with the biggest assholes that they should be arresting immediately for their behavior and they put up with so much shit yeah I'm amazed how how much they'll put up with sometimes

sometimes they're complete dick heads. But, you know, periodically, you know, you've got some guy who's just a complete douchebag cop that you're like, that guy shouldn't even, he shouldn't be a police officer. He's too aggressive. We just did a story. This police officer, he's been on the force for six months. He detains a guy, puts him in the jail. The guy's like, listen, I really got to use the bathroom. He's like, no, I'm not letting you use the bathroom. Guy ends up peeing in the cell. Right. Cop made him lick it up. Yeah. Yeah, he, that's up to me, that's federal violation of my civil rights.

Of course. Yes. So there are. There are still those types of cops. Yeah. That guy needs to do some time. He is. Thankfully.

Yeah. So real quick, because you said something I wanted to mention earlier. You mentioned Hulk Hogan. Yes. Do you know who Bubba the Love Sponge is? Of course I do. Okay. But Bubba knows us.

Oh, does he? Yeah, we've reviewed his show before. It's funny because Bubba will be, there's been a couple times where Bubba was just like, and I bet who are these podcasts are going to watch this part of the show and they're going to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You should go on it. Why didn't you go on a show? I should go out of the show.

I have a mutual friend in Alec Stein. Bro, I can give you his information. Yeah, I'll reach out to him. I have a seldom. He's in Tampa. I know he is. I've been on his show several times. Okay.

And we, he, so after I've been on it a couple times, he had invited me, he invited me back. And he wanted me to be like one of the regulars. Oh, cool. And I was like, so we're having a conversation. We're trying to, we're working out. He's like, look, I'll pay you this much. I'll give you this much. You know, we're going to start doing our YouTube.

if you can help with the YouTube you know so I was like okay yeah yeah so I thought it's pretty cool and you know there's two doctors that that do is are they both lawyers they're two lawyers one's a doctor there's two lawyers brothers two brothers okay um they're the um doctor a diago or something like that the diago brothers so I think they're both attorneys and one is uh one is a an actual doctor a plastic surgeon so he and I get into it on the podcast a little bit. And, and so he tells Bubba after the whole show, I don't want that guy on the show anymore. Isn't that a good thing you guys are going out of the show? He didn't like, so here's the problem is that he mouthed off to me. And I think most guys, they kind of laugh it off.

And I had only, I'd just been out of prison. Like, I was in a much more aggressive frame of mind. Gotcha. So when he put, disrespect to you. Yeah. When he pushed back. Well, first of all, what he said was, I was talking about. about a book that I had, I had written a book, and the guy I wrote the book about was upset about it and actually got it taken off of Amazon, which was shocking. And so I had gotten a lawyer. I'm going back and forth. And I can provide that, you know, this guy, we have a signed contract, we have this. So I'm explaining it. And the, he, the, it wasn't the doctor, by the way. It was his brother. The brother, the lawyer. He says, well, let's face it, when you're involved,

we don't know if those, if that contract is real or not. And I was like, right, but I have all the documents. I have this. He's like, yeah, but let's face it. You could face it. You could face it. anything. So he starts in on this hole and it's like, this is a, I'm in the middle of a lawsuit. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm in the middle of like I get it. There's, it's funny, but it's not funny. Right. And you know, like, like, and I start, I go, yeah, but it is true. This is like, yeah, but I mean, and I, and I just, I looked at it and I went, yeah, but it is true. And I said, I said, I said, it is true. And what he did wasn't right. I said, and I, and so I start going boom, boom, boom, like, hey, like, you're, you're going over the fucking line. He all of a sudden kind of like,

he's like oh he's like no i'm just saying i'm just then he back he starts back battling shows over then after the show i walk up to him and i say hey listen i said i said i said i didn't mean to get aggressive i said but i said you know you understand i'm in the middle of a a legal battle over this okay i said there's a book that i spent a lot of time on and you're joking around i said i get it it's a cute little thing i said for on air i said but you're a lawyer and you're you're making it sound like I could have manufactured documents, which I didn't do. That's a credibility. Right, exactly.

I said, you're questioning my credibility. I said, I understand it's already in question. I said, but I didn't make these documents. This is the truth. I have proof of everything. I can't backdate documents that happened prior to. I said, me actually putting the book together. I said, so that's why I said that.

And he said, he goes, well, we're just joking around. I looked at him. I said, you know what I think? He was, it was just funny. I said, you know what I think's funny? And he goes, what I said, what I think is funny is I said, your brother. right, Dr. Diago, and he goes, right. I said, I had a mortgage broker. I said that you get when I said, whatever, it was 15 years ago. I go 15 years ago, my, I had a female mortgage broker. I said that

had gotten implant. She got Diago's because they called them, hey, I want a set of Diago's. I said, remember that you have as a thing. It's good branding. Right. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, she got a set of Diagos. I said, and I said, your brother when he, he had just started about 15, 20 years ago. He only been doing about a year. So I said, so your father really built the business that he took over. And he was like, right? I said, your brother went in, didn't know what he was doing, and burned straight through her breast through the tissue. I said, but instead of saying I fucked up, let me stitch it up, let's wait for your heel. I said, he went ahead and shoved the implant in.

So total botched. Then he cut the other one and shove that one in. I go, it was so badly botched. I said that the stitches came out and you could actually see the implant slipping out. I go, he then brought, she then went back to him. He then pushed it back and tried to restitch it and put, I said, put like, you know, butterfly tape on it. I said, that lasted about a day. I said, finally she, I said, finally she was so upset about it and because he was unwilling to correct it and kept trying to correct the botched surgery instead of taking it out and letting it heal.

She had to go to another plastic surgeon who had to correct your brother's botched boob job. I said, she then went to, I said, a lawyer that was a friend of my brother-in-laws. I said, and she sued your brother, and he paid her $80,000. I said, I think that's hilarious. I said, I was going to bring that up. How funny that was that I'm now sitting with this guy who botched his tit job and had to pay $80,000 because he's such a fucking idiot. I said, but I didn't do that. I said, out of professional courtesy.

Yeah. And I said, you didn't give me that respect. Yeah. And I said, and that's why I'm upset. And I turned around, I walked off. and Bubba called me and said, this isn't going to work out. Oh, man.

That sucks. And I was like, that kind of thought. And I said, it's because of the Diago thing? And it's like, that definitely, that definitely is an issue.

He basically, later he told, later, like a year or two later, he actually said to me, he told me, listen, he said, yeah,

he said absolutely no way. And they probably sponsored the show, right? They do sponsor the show. They give Bubba a lot of money. They basically run it. Of course. Yeah.

But it's a lot of fun. It wouldn't have been a good fit for you anyway. I don't think after that it was going to, Yeah. And I was at that time of my life. I was just, I was fresh out. Like I'm ready to,

I was overly assertive. That's what I would say. Yeah. Well, you're also up against it. It was a dick move. Yeah. I mean,

people are rooting against you. And you're there amongst friends trying to get something going. You got this asshole. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly. Exactly. So didn't work out.

But I do have Bubba's phone number. I give it to you. Okay. I bet you, I don't see him other than that. I don't see him saying, no, come on just because he could fuck with you you guys could go back he's got to go

sense of humor about right he would laugh about it yeah like i said i don't know if you know what elix stein is uh he works for glenbeck's company but elix stein has been on bubba and he reached out to me and he's like carl you got to get bubba on the show and i definitely should connect with him um i don't think him and hulk are friends anymore though him and terry no he explained i don't think he'll be at the bar tonight so i connected baba with danny jones okay danny jones runs the danny jones show it used to be called concrete okay and he went on there And Bubba lays the whole thing out, you know, which makes Bubba seem like the victim. Of course.

Like, you know, like I didn't really. I mean, there is a point where he explains a portion of the whole tape. I gave it to my guy and told him to get rid of it. He then took it and sold it. And that, I'm pretty sure. And all that came out. That is kind of the truth. But I thought it got stolen out of his office.

Right. It got stolen by a guy that worked for him. Yeah, yeah. He gave it to him and said, get rid of it. And the guy stole it. Yeah. And it's like, you know, honestly. right that's the part where it's like it's like why would you do that why wouldn't you just

destroy yourself why even look at it what why not just destroy it why just shoot it in the first place like right well well the way he says it was shot is that and he explains the whole thing is that Hulk Hogan was going through his divorce and he was staying he was staying with Bubba he's in their spare room and he basically said like Bubba's leaving he and his wife had an open relationship which is super odd to me and then Hulk was like I'm so fucking stressed out I need to get laid. And Bubba actually says, well, Jennifer's here. I'm leaving. You know, y'all should have at it. And she kind of looks at him and goes, huh, I don't care what the situation is. I don't care how friendly we are. I don't want Hulk Hogan fucking my girl. I can't follow that out. I'm not doing

that either. I just over. Like, it's not going to happen. And so he takes her in the bedroom, bangs her. And then Bubba says, then later when I got back, I realized, we have inside cameras. I wonder if it got caught on camera and he said so I wonder if it's framed perfectly on camera what are the chances wow there's three different shots now um so then of course he says he takes it he watches it with his his basically manservant and then he tells his assistant man servant like hey you know what get rid of that and the guy steals it out of the or basically runs off with it or he says put that away or something get rid of it he said I meant like put it away and he took it and tried to sell it and ends up selling it and that whole thing happens.

Didn't it put Gawker out of business? Was that the site that ran with that? Well, and I don't think Terry sued the hell out of them. I don't know that Galker ever ended up paying all the money because it was so massive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do know that, like, they sued Cox Media, they sued, like, Warner Media, like, they sued, and they ended up paying an extra $60 million. And they did have to pay. Wow.

So, you know, old Hulk Hogan or Terry, what's this? I forget what his last name is. They always say Terry Hogan, but that's not his real last name. Yeah, Terry, I mean, he, you know, that was a hell of a, that performance, which was not amazing. Made him a pretty good buck. Yeah, I mean, and it took, it took years. Better than WrestleMania, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to his place tonight. Have you been there before? No, I know my buddy Danny has been there sometimes. And Danny used to have Hulk. They have a guy on there.

it Hulk Hogan has a guy that used to be a wrestler and he's got like long black hair he's older now Danny used to have him on all the time okay and I've met him but he yeah it's uh hogan's or whatever right yeah yeah I forget what the day of the places but it's pretty much like owned by him but also a tribute to him yeah yeah yeah and I don't think I think maybe he probably hangs out there every once while but I don't think he well this is what I've heard I don't know this is true he's not running they have a they have a they have a they have a they have a they have a Karaoke night, I think it's Tuesdays or something like that. And there's strict rules about swearing.

They'll kick you out if you swear on karaoke night. So I guess he's still concerned about the little Hulk of Maniacs out there. He still wants to make sure they're eating their vitamins and doing the right thing. So props to Terry for that. Okay. Do you have any, can you think of anything else? What do you? You know, I'll just say, I really appreciate you having me on the show.

Yeah. This has been a blast talking about this. I know this is a very different style show for you. Our website is Who Are These.com. Okay. And that's where you can find pretty much all the stuff that we're doing. The creepoff is a separate website, the creepoff. Okay.

But you can find the shows that we do on there. Anywhere you get podcasts, I still like the audio format. We were talking about that before we started the show. Right. That this whole thing started because it's like, hey, I'm multitasking. I'm listening to a show while jogging or, you know, cleaning the house. Are you uploading the video too? or you're still just uploading the audio?

No, so we definitely have a video component now. Okay. Our YouTube channel has grown quite a bit and I'm pretty much putting out a new YouTube video every single day. No, I meant on Spotify. Like if you... Oh, I'm not doing video on Spotify, just on YouTube.

Okay. But actually, I feel like I need to get on Rumble. Are you on Rumble? The only reason we haven't, we've looked at it a few times is that just like the, as far as monetization is concerned, they're like, everybody I know that's done it. They're like, if you do it, do it as a labor of labor of

love because you're just not going to make any money okay I've heard that it only works for like someone who's like huge and there's millions of people and people are going to rumble specifically to search for them and watch their stuff specifically right right won't be monetized anywhere else yeah as opposed to someone found you on rumble I'm doing a show tomorrow night with these guys called revenge of the sis and they're a rumble show they got kicked off of YouTube but I think rumble reached out to them and paid they have a deal with them directly oh okay so it's not like a rev share on advertising kind of thing, which, yeah, I've seen the types of advertisers they get on a rumble. It's probably not paying too well.

I don't understand why they don't just, to me, why not just copy, um, YouTube's format completely. Oh, you know what, what are they doing differently? Well, I mean, they're, they're, I don't think they're picking the, um, the ad sense, the people that go on your, uh, your, like how their ad sense work, my understanding is it's different, right? Two, their algorithm isn't is different. Like, You have to basically go from what my understanding is, you have to, you have to search for me. You have to be like, you know, Matt Cox inside true crime. You have to try and find me. And that their algorithm isn't really suggesting you the way YouTube's algorithm suggests.

Like to me, it's like Google has been working. I mean, Google is the algorithm company. Right. And they've been working on this for over, you know, a couple decades now. So yeah. Right. So they got down. You think like try and do, try and figure that out.

Like, and the money like pay these guys like good money. Well, it's hard to get the. advertisers because you get the controversy you know who wants to be on rumble when Alex Jones is on there so then they have to be you know certain types of advertisers go on there and also I mean well I don't know we haven't tried to upload or anything but I mean to me I would have to have you'd have to have almost an identical upload system like you right yeah I don't want to yeah do a whole separate thing but yeah I'm thinking I probably want to get on rumble only because it's the only place where there's free speech

yeah yeah oh no you know I mean Spotify took down a lot of episodes YouTube's YouTube's brutal. Yeah. We're constantly, Colby uploaded four different versions of a show we had the other day. And I mean, every one of them was, it was, you know, the first ones he just uploaded it. Limited monetization. The next one he went through, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

And limited a lot of station. The next one, beep, beep, beep, beep. I mean, just overwhelming. While we're reviewing, we're trying to get into review. So you're putting it for the manual review. This is all inside baseball. stuff but I have to do that all the time and I almost always gets approved it's like guys figure this the fuck out right I do my videos the same I have a video editor and we

take out the C words and we take out the things that we need to take out right so they're all the same video for all practical purposes right and yet I get that shit all the time and I constantly have to manual review well and it takes forever yeah it takes like it's supposed to be 24 hours but yeah it's never 20 I know it is on a short like on a short it's very quick it can be yeah it can be I've had it happen where I click review and immediately it's approved right or sometimes you just change the title you'll change the title boom it'll yeah be okay but but yeah most of the time it's it's limited monetization we ask for a review but in the meantime he doesn't know that the review is going to come back so he goes through

and starts editing himself and putting them up hoping one will go through yeah because if we're going to post in two days it's like yeah you got to get it I can't wait three days right right right and then everybody starts complaining that you know bro what about why did you beep out all these words what about free speech it's like whoa whoa whoa i'm with you yeah there's no free speech on youtube yeah so but okay yeah all right so thanks again for having me this has been uh this has been a blast talking about this and i'm definitely going to look into sam wow i'm going to send you i will shoot you a west watson west watson i'll shoot you west watson's channel west watson yes got it hey i appreciate you guys watching do me a favor if you like the video please share it

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