Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Eye Witness Reveals The Real Story Behind Kurt Cobain's Death...

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

Eye Witness Reveals The Real Story Behind Kurt Cobain's Death...

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I was honored to do that with you. You brought a lot of heat to that. We did good numbers on that. I'm really appreciative. This thing is crazier. What is the official narrative? Kurt Cobain committed suicide. They say on April 5th, 1990.

And that he had left a suicide note? There was a note. Yes, written on the back of an IHop menu with a red pen stabbed through it in the potted plant in the greenhouse. So what's the note say? What's the reason supposedly that he? Yeah, I mean, the note. it's not really a suicide note. See, what we believe is he did write 95% of that note. But as a goodbye to fans, he was leaving Nirvana. He was mad at Courtney. He's talking about faking it and how he's not

happy. And he's a very complex individual. When you read the note, it's kind of cerebral. Like, you're feeling the sky's emotions. It's not him saying he's killing himself. That's my point. The last four lines start to sound like a suicide letter. The problem is the font is too big and the lettering is not the same as the other 35, 40. It's pretty long. So we have handwriting experts look at it. I've looked at it. I actually am schooled in this a little bit, voice analysis, handwriting. I do all the stuff for any time I chase a murder case. I have to. I know how to read autopsies. I know a lot of the terminology. So those last four lines, that is not Kurt writing that.

This note was written days before. And I do believe I won't say exactly who I think did what with the note. But I believe the note was in the house already written on April 2nd. And that's when Kurt was killed on April 2nd at approximately 3 a.m. in 1994. So how did you end up getting involved in this? I had an investigator come to me, who I was very good friends with, and he asked me if I wanted to help him. Someone had come to him from the Cobain army, we'll call it, right? We kind of refer to them as Kurds army. These, all these people, there's thousands of them across the whole globe. There's a lot of

them. And someone had come to him and goes, I think you could solve Kurt Cobain's murder. He didn't know what he was talking about. He had no idea. That gentleman introduced him to another gentleman who then introduced them to the witnesses who were at the house, at the murder. So it was a slow process. And unfortunately, in my business, and I hope I don't lose my friendship with some of these people, I had to begin to do things behind their back. And they got upset. upset about that. And I had to basically go undercover and do what I do. I had to take over the entire case. So when this guy said, hey, you know, Kirk mentioned Kirk Covain's murder. Did you not take a step back and say, what murder?

Absolutely. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Absolutely. And what made me a believer was after talking to these first couple guys who had been on the case for over 20 years, they were researching and they knew everything about Kurt and Courtney and the nannies. And I'm like, this is pretty fascinating. Like, there's nannies that are addicts. There's male nannies who do drugs. They're watching Francis Bean. Everybody knows this. I'm not revealing something they don't know. When I started to go through the police reports and the autopsy, and I started to see it, it's like, it's shining to me, right? I'm like, well, this is kind of weird. Why is there no Prince on the gun

That gun's pretty damn long I'm not saying he couldn't get in his mouth I saw somebody do it I guess you could barely It's a model 11 Remington 20 gauge with a 5 inch choke on it Okay he has an extender on it too So you can do it

But you like knock your teeth out Trying to do it okay Right so it's the weirdest gun to choose And Kurt didn't buy the gun. Dylan Carlson did. And I have the receipt. And that's in the police report. And Dylan made up this lie that Kurt bought the gun. No, he didn't, Dylan. You bought the gun. It's in your name. And I don't believe Kurt was at the gun shop at all. And a lot of people are trying to prove me wrong. Prove it. Show me, Kurt. Cobain was out the gun shop. You can't. So you start the process. What is the process.

You order, you order the police reports and the autopsy report. So what I do, what I do is it's like on every case. It's pretty much the same. Google's an amazing resource. Reddit, right? I have my own background software or apps where I can do background checks on people. I can also set filters to stories where I can pull up keywords in autopsies, in public documents, court cases, everything. I look at everything. I watch every documentary, soaked and bleach, Kurt and Courtney, many times over. I contact people. I call them. I email them.

I begin the process of talking to everybody and their mother. Not everybody talks, right? Right. I usually stay away from sometimes the family. So the family of Kurt Cobain, I stayed away from. I don't want them because they're polluted in their head. They don't know what's going on. And a lot of times when you go to the families and you say, your child was murdered,

it's very shocking for them and I just don't want to deal with their right now if they want to come to me later they can but a lot of times I deal with this other family on another case they sabotage me every day so it's hard to explain

a lot of families don't want you to solve their child's murder because they don't understand why the cops never did it how are you doing it I don't even know who you are Chris who are you like why are you calling me you see what I mean and Wendy O'Connor is Kurt's mom she passed away there's an uncle there's a couple of cousins I think Kurt's dad is alive I'm not sure if he is or the grandfather but I did on my own away from the families obviously I looked into Courtney Love a lot I'm not saying Courtney Love murdered Kirk Cobain she was not there she has an alibi she was in L.A. at the peninsula I'm not here to really talk too much about Kurt Corny

love. Okay. I'm here to talk about the killers of Kurt Cobain and the six witnesses who saw it. So you order the documents, you order these things, you do Google, you do research, and then what? And then as I engage the people, the investigators, the PIs, the fans, they, they begin to give me things that aren't on Google. Do you see what I'm saying? So all the information is coming from every angle, documentary, Reddit, YouTube, Google, official police documents, and then people themselves. And then the witnesses. Now, remember, I met the witnesses. Two of them.

They both corroborate the story. What are the police reports and the autopsy say? The police reports and the autopsy basically reflect and try to punch you in the face that it's a suicide. okay so it's it's biased first of all and they said it was a suicide by like end of business day on the Friday April 1st they found it there were no toxicology reports back there were no fingerprint test done how are you declaring it a suicide because you saw him laying with a gun on his chest right well isn't that how you'd stage a suicide too this was a bad investigation this was bad may know that and all the people knew that that's why they kept saying

there's a murder there's a murder the problem was they kept looking at courtney they keep looking at her she's not even there focus on who's in the house who's at the house and there were eight people there eight that's insane and now let me say this because you asked the right question you before. I didn't believe it at first, but when I knew there were eight people there, the bulb just blew up in my head, like, it's over, you got it. You don't even, that's it. There's no way they could be lying.

There's no way. If they said there were three people there, okay, you know what I mean? Or two people? You say there's eight? Eight of them? It doesn't, it's not, I knew right away. And it's almost like I use this analogy, map in the human gene. know them. You don't need to know everything to map it. They only needed like 38%. Once they had the basic

formula, they're like, we're good. We're going to figure it out in a couple years. Oh, wait, but you guys didn't figure it out yet. No, no, we only need a couple more years. We already cracked the code. That's how I do the cases too. Once I got you, I got you. It may take me, you know, six months to a year to put it all together. I already got you. I knew it. I was like, wow. And then I knew. And then I met the people and talked to them one of them was a little hostile and one started to it took a while to get this source to really open up but once they did I'm like it's real this is it weren't they already interviewed by the police aren't there witnesses no no no no not at all not one of them does not tell you something right there so when you got the police reports there were no there were no

witness statements. None. That's all. Zero. There was like later on or Dylan Carlson might have talked to the cops once on the phone. You know, they had a PI named Tom Grant, who everybody knows in the circles. He's been obsessed with this story. He knew Courtney. He recorded her. He was hired by her.

He did the movie Soaked in Bleach with Ben Stattler. He's kind of a legend in the game. I'm here to kind of take over. what he did he's kind of pushed to the side i'm willing to talk to him but i already know this from other cases these guys are so kind of brainwashed you start telling them you're wrong they want nothing to do with it and i don't i don't really like dealing with older people either no no offense to age discrimination here i really do not like dealing with older people because they're just they just the way they ask is just so stubborn and so like fixated on what they're

doing and not really fighting for the victims. Tom Grant knew he was killed in the back of his head. We can talk about some stuff about Tom because a lot of the fans are going to want me to address a lot of what he did. But I will say this to your audience. Tom Grant, I do believe saw Kurt's body in the greenhouse. I do believe he knew he was dead. What is the difference between what these people are saying and what the official, the official narrative is and what your saying happened? So, first is they say suicide, I say murder. Okay.

They say he's dead. He kills himself on April 5th. I say he's killed on April 2nd. His body is found on April 8th on a Friday. Okay. But they try to use April 5th as the actual death date. He's actually killed on April 2nd, very early in the morning or late at night, whatever you want to call it.

Okay. 3 a.m. April 2nd. every step from that moment I dispute every single thing the Seattle PD say and these other people that said they saw her at a diner at a bar you're a liar you didn't see him

there's a lot of these people are going to come out and it's okay but we don't have enough time to over every detail of the movements of these people like because it's a lot it's a lot there's eight people six they two the killers I'm going to name the killers today I'm going to name all the accessories and witnesses and in my other interviews I didn't name one of them I'm going to name them today because I have to because everyone's coming forward like all the people so and I think this person is the hero of the case this witness who is cooperative so but yeah I mean

basically it's a cover up by the Seattle PD absolutely completely they show shot down Harvey Levin. He flew up there from TMZ. He flew up with Tom Grant and said, why aren't you guys looking at it as a murder? There's a lot of weird stuff with the evidence. And Detective Cameron said, I've seen enough cases to know what a suicide is. I don't care what you've seen. It doesn't matter. You're covering it up. He's dead. He died. Detective Cameron. And even the coroner, he died in a free jumping, base jumping accident and died. And he was kind of young, but so these are like little intricate little stories. One of the other cops got murdered.

Two months later, Antonio Terry was killed by a group of guys in a car like on the side of the road and they thought Courtney had him killed or there's a lot to it. But I think for us to jump to is to name these people now. I want to say their names. and I want us to talk about the death of Kurt Cobain and I want us to really try to bring justice for Kurt. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep,

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He leaves rehab, like kind of they say jumps a wall or exits rehab without telling anyone and supposedly called Courtney and all this whatever he flies back to Seattle okay this is April 1st 1994 he gets on a plane and he's flying from L.A. back to Seattle he's going to land he's going to get in a limousine female driver this is the last person who will see Kirk Cobain alive everyone else that says they've seen him after this is a liar okay from from this moment this night, okay. He's dropped off in the limousine. It's actually like 1 a.m. He's getting home like the clock's ticking over to April 2nd. Okay. So it's a Saturday now, right? Comes home. There's eight people in his house. Party. Shooting up. Drinking beer, smoking weed.

There's rockers there. Roadies, techs, drug dealers. Okay. Okay. There's eight people. Most of them are musicians in some fashion that work with Kurt or their drug friends or drug dealers of Kurtz. Okay. When he comes there, he kind of hangs out for a little bit. He eats a meal. They find the food undigested or semi-digested proving he ate a meal when he got home. Okay. He got the airport, but the witness says, this witness says he ate with Kurt, his last meal. Okay. TV dinner. He's like a TV dinner, something he whipped up with turkey, something like that.

The witness is hanging out with Kurt. They eat this food. People are still partying, doing their thing, whatever, playing music, you know. Kurt asks them to leave. He wants them to go home, okay? About an hour into when he's back. He doesn't freak out right when he gets home, supposedly. he's kind of like you know whatever and you know kurt's a very dark dude like complex dark

funny he had a very unique sense of humor too actually so i could see him kind of being like okay he's putting up with it for a little bit and then after he goes you guys got to go they're in the basement some of them are in the basement he comes downstairs you got to go goes back upstairs nobody's leaving nobody's leaving Nobody's moving. Okay? This is corroborated by the witness of his movements going upstairs down, back up, like that. We're not in the greenhouse yet.

We're nowhere near the greenhouse. We're in the regular house. Between the kitchen in the basement, the living room, kind of like that. Kerr finally comes downstairs and screams at Dillon. You got to get the fuck out. Everybody get out. When Kurt turns around. around, he's assaulted by Dylan Carlson and a guy named Daniel Clint Rich.

They call him Danny Rich. Okay. He is assaulted there, and there are multiple people watching this, and two of him are women in the basement. Okay. They begin to hot shot him with him that is already preloaded, meaning this is premeditated. I'm not saying they were trying to kill him with eight people there. Maybe they saw the opportunity like, this is it. I think they wanted to wait until everybody left,

but it just didn't happen that way. They didn't leave. They snapped. He yelled at the guy in front of the girls. He freaked out. When he turned around, boom, whacked him with something. I won't say what it was because we have differing things about saying what he was hit with, but he was hit with something, okay, metal and hard.

He's down. they start hot shot in them mostly in one arm i believe there is evidence of another arm too but there's like damage to one of his arms like it's being forced into him there's bruising there's blood there's evidence of that okay he is now incapacitated is he dead i don't know i've already said this in my first interview i don't know if he's dead right here some people say he's dead you know 1.52 milligrams per liter of he's dead that killed a horse. I don't know if he's dead. He's moved to the greenhouse and another witness sees him be moved to the greenhouse. In about 30 minutes after that, 40 minutes,

they hear a gunshot coming from the greenhouse. That is the shotgun. That gun has already been purchased. It's already been in the house. It's already set up for this purpose. He has moved to the greenhouse, the staging, the shooting happens. The staging begins. They're moving the cigar box. They have some shells already. They're going to go purchase more shells in the morning to get a receipt. It's crazy. I don't want to get too much into it. They're staging it. There's the Barks Rupier can they put there. There's cigarette butts in the room. The needles have caps on them in a cigar box. They're staging it. They're laying them down. They've got the shell on the wrong side of the ejection chamber.

okay the way his gun is sitting on him it's upside down so the bullets the shell supposed to be on the correct side Kurt's right side it's actually on his left

the police make up a story and say that when he pulled the trigger the gun flipped 180 none of that makes any sense and they said that okay and there were other cops

who said that's insane literally at the time in real time so the staging is happening late at night these people are smacked out these people are at highest hell on drugs they're probably up for days like four in the morning right now when that's happening it's partially staged the next day sun comes up they send out someone i believe it's callie duet he goes out to buy shells he pretends to be kirk cobain he's picked up by a cab driver. Cab driver cannot ID him as Kurt Cobain.

Says it kind of look like somebody out of place in this rich neighborhood. That most likely is Michael Kelly Duet. You have long hair, dyed hair. I don't know if he had a hat on. He's somehow pretending to sort of be either Kurt or somebody, like a friend of his, whatever, right? A rocker. He goes out to buy more shells to get a receipt.

And then they place that bag with the receipt by Kurt's foot. So what I'm getting at is the staging is not completed until about noon 1 p.m. on April 2nd. At that point, everyone is still at the house. Okay. They're all still there. Some are involved. Some are not. Okay?

They're probably freaking out. Like, what just happened? And the staging is finished by that time. And the people stay at the house for four more days. days. And they keep shooting up and keep partying. And they hide his body in the greenhouse. I know that they kept looking at it. I have proof of that. I have one witness saying that. They saw him in the greenhouse after. Only two people were really involved in the murder. I'm not implicating the other six. I'm saying there's two killers. Dylan Carlson and Danny Rich.

if we say it's premeditated and the notes placed there days before Kurt even went to Rehab or Courtney Love left for the peninsula she left two days before Kurt did she was down in L.A. before him Okay but you're saying the needles were preloaded

like it was premeditated. Yeah I believe it is premeditated I do believe it. Okay. But I'm trying to say the note because this is important. How is this? note there, right? Kurt didn't write the note the night he came home and started writing a suicide note in front of them and then, that's not what happened, right? So what I'm saying is the motive.

If we look at Courtney Love, did she whisper to Dylan or make the call or talk about it before? There was a Rome incident of Roeibnall where Kurt OD'd. They think Courtney and Callie DeWitt tried to kill him then. weeks before, okay? So if you look at Courtney Love and you say she has motive to get rid of Kurt because they're going to get divorced. They're fighting all the time. She tells Rosemary Carroll give me the nastiest divorce attorney in the world.

He tells the attorney, Rosemary, write her out of my will. This woman's hearing from both sides. Like, what's going on? Like, so there is motive because guess who inherits all his music rights, Courtney Love? write her out of my will definitely sounds odd like you know what I'm saying because like if I'm gonna if I'm gonna the only reason I'm concerned about my will being being um uh you know being an issue is if I'm not gonna be around like a normal fucking middle age guy who's getting to yeah doesn't think somebody you guys this will may be in play soon no I'm just getting a divorce no and you make a a good point, and I'm going to give you an extra little salt on there or sugar on there. There's photos

of Kurt sticking guns in his mouth. They're toys. There's toys. I thought they were real. I was told they're toys. There's two photos of him doing that. That doesn't help the case either, right? So if you have a picture of this guy eating

guns like this, making funny faces, ones like an M-16 with Dave Grohl and Chris Nova Selich sitting next to him, the other ones with a handgun like close up like this that doesn't help either so you're making a good point right about oh why is he talking about will i don't know i i can't i don't have the answer okay so my point is rosemary carroll gets it from both sides there's a problem with their marriage right she's wants a divorce attorney they had a pre-nup supposedly i have no idea why they have a pre-nup i don't think

Kurt was rich when he met Courtney. They only were together for like two years. Maybe he was. I don't know the exact every date of bleach and then never mind and, you know, in utero and like, they only knew each other for like two years. Their baby was young. It was like a baby. So Francis Bean.

The motive is there for Courtney Love to orchestrate this in some way, right? Callie and Renee Navarette and Dylan, listen. to Courtney. They worked for Courtney pretty much. And Danny Rich works for Courtney as a roadie and also I guess some type of assistant or drug dealer. All these people are on this. This is a group. So now this is, I'm not driving you crazy without I'm saying this for the audience because they're all going to say they all want to take Courtney down. They hate her with a passion. So let's remove Courtney now out of the way. It's possible. There's premeditation from her. She had the note. She left it for someone at the house before she left,

right? Because she is in possession of it. When he wrote it on the back of an IHop menu. She had it. She got an idea in her head. I'm going to write the last four lines. This is a beautiful. This woman was smart. I'm going to say this right now. Courtney Love was very bright. I think she's kind of evil, but she is extremely bright. She was an actress. She was a singer. She starred in two big movies out of nowhere. Okay. If you really, really look at her history. She sang in a band. She created a famous band.

She could do a lot of different things. And she joked about murdering her boyfriends before of rock stars of making them gods. Look it up. So she, she's a unique individual to say that, okay? Now, I move away from her for a minute. I believe the motive now for Dylan and Danny and Renee and Callie. Free drugs. Maybe they're mad at Kurt a little bit.

Jealous. You know, possibly. Free houses. There were houses bought for people. There was cash given to people. What if I said to you, Matt, if your advice was drugs or alcohol and you, what if I said the rest of your life, you're going to get free alcohol and drugs? And I'll take care of you for the rest of your life.

That's a pretty good deal, right? Yeah, and just make it look like he killed himself Because in his songs he talks about crazy shit You got photos of him eat in guns He's angry He punched Chris Nova Seltz in the face The last day he saw him That's his bandmate

His original bandmate Punched him in the face Because he wanted to take Kurt to rehab So there's a lot of things of like Maybe he pissed them off enough Maybe they want the drugs in the free money. So I think it's a combination. I don't have the solid hard answer for you like that. Coming into this cold turkey, I'm telling you right now, your ed's going to be spinning.

Trust me. Because even these expert Kurt Cobain people, I'm blowing them out of the water, too. And they know a lot about it. I talked to somebody last night late. And this person's just shocked. Like, I've been studying this case for 20 years. You're telling me things that I've never heard Danny Rich's name. I've never heard Bonnie Dillard's name. I never heard Joe Burns's name. I'm like, well, if you look, you would have seen some of these people's names in some of the books. But yeah, it's hard to kind of grasp. And, you know, I think that's the gist of what happened. We can talk about the cover-off. We can talk about where we are today. I can point you to some videos, and I'd like to plug some websites and videos for these people

because we have a lot of people that want to do it. And we're not going to be silenced this time by the media. We're not. You know, they did this to me on O.J. Natalie Wood. They did this to me on other civilian cases. I learned a lot. And I need the people. We call them Kurt's Army.

They're going to do it. They're going to do it. Because the media is going to try to stop me. I already know that. They already aren't. Okay, so these two junkies Off him And they never

They never talk Have they ever told anybody this? Have they ever? Has that come out? Okay. They did hint at it over the years And we know someone that We have an eye and ear witness to a confession

Soft confession And another person heard a soft confession From both of these guys So there's one set of people that heard from one guy and another person heard from the other guy. Okay. So who is telling you that they are the ones, who somebody

in this group is talking and explaining what happened. Like you didn't theorize this on your own and a hypothesis based on nothing. Like somebody's telling you this, I was there, this is what happened. So there's two witnesses

that had come forward, Joe Burns and Bonnie Dillard. Bonnie has decided to be a hostile witness now. She's trying to retract. Okay. I had a conversation with her. I tried to be nice.

I spoke with somebody else that knows her. She's decided not to come forward. Okay. But she had already told people what happened before that she didn't know I knew that. So I kind of had her

behind the eight ball when I met her. You see what I'm saying? So she didn't know I knew she knew. So she tried to deny everything and blame Jen Adamson, who was McCauley Culkin's sister, the daughter of Kit Culkin. Her name was Jen Adamson. Okay. I don't know why her name was different than her dad's name and her mom's name. I don't know if she was an actress or whatever. She died of a hot shot in 2000. Her name was Jen Adamson. She witnessed the assault and the hot shoting with Bonnie Dillard. Those are the two girls in the basement.

Joe Burns is the hero on this and Joe Burns has come forward and if you guys Google Joe Burns Cobain you will see his videos they have put them up this team of filmmakers went and filmed him they got him on tape and there's a website called who killed kurt.org go to the website watch the videos there's about four or five up and you can also Google and YouTube search, Joe Burns, Cobain, and you'll see multiple interviews with them. This guy's a hero. He's had a rough life. He's been carmically punched. You'll see when you see him. He's a recovering addict. And, but that's the answer to your question. This, this is the guy who's going to fight for Kurt Cobain. And he's come out and he said this is

what happened. Yes. Along with the girls. Jen Adamson is dead She died in 2000 Bonnie had told Multiple people Four years ago And those people

Didn't know what to do with it They didn't know if they should go to the police They didn't know if it was real I put all the puzzle pieces together And I got Joe to come forward It never would come forward Without me I'm not saying I met him first

There were other people that knew him and met him and cultivated it and gave me the hints. But I am the person that why all this stuff is going on online is because of me. I had to scare these people into doing it too. Some of them I had to trick that I was going to come forward if they did it. They started to do it. They went and filmed them. They flew out to the West Coast to film Joe. I didn't go there. I didn't film them. Now, I have my own recorded statements and stuff. from Joe that I'm willing to release at a later time. I've not given it to anyone.

Well, I'm thinking aren't the payoffs, like, there have to be payoffs. Are those payoffs, you know, fracable, and is nobody raising questions about the payoffs? And why wouldn't the police want to solve an investigation? What do you mean payoffs? What do you mean payoffs? So you're saying that, you were saying, like, if you're a drug,

like, it's not that hard. Oh, yeah, yeah. to suggest, hey, if this guy ends up disappearing, you'll be flushed with drugs and a place to live the rest of your... Right. Right. So, I mean, are either one of these guys among the people that happened to have ended up with a house and cash?

Yes. Okay. Which one? Both of them? Well, Danny Rich bought a house in Southern California, and we believe it was paid with cash. from Courtney Love. Okay.

And he's a record for the house. We have it. And does he not have means of his own to buy a house? I'm not saying he couldn't. I think the house was like $300,000 back in the day. I'm not saying maybe he didn't. You'd have to ask him, right? Where'd you get $300,000?

Well, he's a junkie hanging out with Kurt Cobain. I doubt he's got, fuck, he's flush with it. I mean, people think, oh, well, you're hanging out with a rich celebrity. That doesn't mean you're rich. That means that everyone's saying. He's handing you a fucking Rolex or something or throws you a bone here or there. But those bones are like gifts. Like you're basically leaching on to someone.

But that's our point exactly. So how did he buy a house right after? Wait, that's what I'm saying is it. And does he have any other means? If you're saying he doesn't, okay, then when the money comes from? Right. That's what, but I'm not a cop, right? So a cop would have to ask him that and say, look, if you're the, I'm glad you brought

it up because let's talk about the cops, right? Well, I was going to say, so why aren't the cops asking that? Well, we went to the cops and they laughed in our face. So at that point, because of course I would do that, that's one of the first things I ever did was I actually went to the detectives at Seattle PD, had a conversation. I go, hey, did you see what they did it with Tupac in Vegas? After all these years, right, they went and arrested the killer of Tupac Shakur. Do you want to do that in Seattle? Well, what are you talking about?

Like starting with the attitude, like right away. Kurt Cobain, click, and I don't call back. When you do that to me, no. Right when you do the disrespect, I don't need you. I actually don't want you, right? Because I'll come back and get you another way, which is you're going to have two million Kurt Cobain fans calling your station and your office weekly in about three months. Once I wrap this bad boy up in about two months, watch.

When it's viral, and they start calling the cops. These people are already going to city all meetings. They're taking pictures of the police station and sending them to me. What's up? They're already going. And so, but here's, let's talk about the cops. Okay. Because look, your story's great.

I always love your story about how you tricked the police, right? How you tricked people. Which was amazing. I think that's just, your mind is fascinating to me of how you did some of what you did, right? You know what I'm talking about. Okay. So if you're the cops and you sniff it out, Chris Todd just went on Matthew Cox and he was over at Cinemills and the Connect and who's this clown? You need one cup to go, yeah, you know, he's eating like maybe he's drinking a coffee and a donut.

nut, you know? And he's kind of like, yeah, this guy's total nut job. He kind of rolls his eyes. He kind of looks around, right? He kind of just creeps out of the picture, right? Yeah, sounds fucking crazy. First thing he does when he gets home. He starts pulling all the stuff. Weh. He starts seeing it. He was murdered. So what I'm getting at is, if there's one detective, one, It's all it takes. They need one guy to believe. Because once he pulls the evidence, he goes, Chris Todd's right.

These people in the Facebook group are right. There were no fingerprints on the gun. Why? That's kind of weird. Like, why is there no fingerprints on the pen? Why is the shell on the wrong side of the ejection chamber? How would it be on the wrong side? It's not possible.

If he shot himself, how's the bullet on the wrong side? Somebody tried to say, it's something to flung over to the other side. These people are, they're sick. They're like reverse engineer to fit their own theory to say a man murdered himself. What are you doing? Like, your job is to bring justice is to put away killers. If he was killed, then figure it out.

You have all the resources, all the, the access. I don't have that. I work out of my living room. And I solved it. You see what I mean? So the I'm saying is I'm not saying they'll never reopen it. I would pray that one guy or girl wanted to do what they did in Vegas with Tupac. Even though all the odds are stacked against you, you go for it.

You go for it. And maybe you don't get Danny and Dylan for life. Maybe you get them for five years. Maybe they plead down, right? Manslaughter. He OD'd and we. got nervous. So then we've made it look like he killed himself. I'm sorry. Right? And one flips on the other. Maybe they only do a couple years. I don't care how long they go to jail for.

What we want when I think all these Kirk fans and the families surrounding it and the Kirk army, I think what we want is for it to be acknowledged that Kirk Cobain was murdered. That's what we want. Stop dragging his name through the mud. Stop making him the poster boy for suicide. Other people killed themselves over this. They did. There were many people. I actually know somebody who did. Give, tell Kurt's real story. Okay. Think about it. I think of it as slander. You keep saying this guy did this. He had a child. He had a baby. He had a lot of fans. He was. He was. worked his ass off. If you really know Kurt's story, for a long time, he was not famous. He went through like three drummers. They had five different band names. These guys were broke.

One of the stories of his first subpop deal was like $1,000 when he did bleach. Like they didn't be. So you're mean to tell me this guy busted his hump for all these years and then made it. And then he offed himself. And I'm not saying it's not possible. possible. What I'm saying is if there's any hint that he was killed, that should be investigated. Okay. So, I mean, that's your ultimate, that's really your ultimate goal. I think that's what everybody wants. Some people want them to go to jail for life. I get it. They're like, we want Courtney. We want Danny. I get it. They, I know they're writing me.

That's not going to. But I, I'm kind of realistic. Look, I did what I do on OJ. I revealed the biggest murder accomplice in modern history. You know what the LAPD did? Nothing. So I'm not saying the Seattle PD are going to do nothing. I hope they do. You know? But when people call up and tell you, hey, I mean, look, the detectives didn't know who I was.

I didn't say my real name. I kind of was anonymous. I didn't want to blast my name, Norm. You know what I mean? Like, so he didn't really have any content. context. But look, I'm not the first person to go to Seattle PD. Richard Lee did it for a long time. Everybody's going to love this story of me saying Richard Lee's name. This guy was known for ambushing people. He didn't really know there were witnesses. Tom Grant dedicated his life

to this. Many podcasters have guys, get together, do it together. Know the truth. There were witnesses there were many people there okay and i hope what is the what are the discrepancies in the actual paperwork or the actual police reports i mean i don't know if we have enough time to go over all of it you go over just a couple large ones a couple of them i i did but i'll say the the biggest ones if we're saying a suicide right so you Yeah, we have a gun laying on his chest. Okay? That doesn't mean he shot it.

That doesn't mean that. Like, right away. That does not mean that person with a gun on their chest is the one who pulled the trigger. And if there's no fingerprints on his gun, then what are you thinking? How could there know? Because it's wiped down, right? He can't shoot himself and then wipe the gun down. He's not wearing gloves.

When they find him, if he was wearing gloves, I'll give it to you. Why is there no, why is there no fingerprints on the gun case that he carried into the room? Why is there no fingerprints on his pen that he supposedly wrote this letter on plastic or partial prints of anything? Late in prints, right? Okay, why is there so much in this system? 1.52 milligrams per liter. Why? People OD at 0.3, 0.4.

I saw an OD was 0.25. he has 1.52 think about that you think that's just to make him to incapacitate him so that they could get him in the I think I can't tell what I always this is where I thought of the other day was because people ask me this and this was brought up in another interview why shoot him right

why and this is why I think they did that if he dies with them Odeing right and they're all around him this guy's famous this guy is known around the world and and people find out that you OD'd him like you fucking shot with him and he died in your presence and you didn't call the ambulance and you didn't do it you are fucked like seriously all eight of those people you are eight you are screwed right so what I think is Dylan bought the gun before Kurt Dylan bought the gun on March 30th

The day Kurt flew to L.A. He bought this gun. Obviously, if you use that, they have the gun for a reason. They do want a stage of suicide. So what dawned on me was, the last couple days was, this is why they can't just ode them.

Because if they just ode them, they're still going to catch a bunch of shit. But it's better if he's the... Are any of those people directly supplying him? The drugs? Yes. Okay. So, I mean, I've met multiple people in federal prison who didn't even supply the drugs, by the way.

They just said, I know someone who can get you some drugs. And then they gave you a phone number or just directed you to the dog. Then they go, they buy or they buy whatever it is and it's laced or they overdose. When they overdose, they grab the drug dealer. They charge him. And they charge the guy that told that person, where to go or gave him the phone number. I know what guy you got 20 years.

Now, now, okay. Well, yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up. Would I? So, you know, this is what I want to say to that. Hold on. So at 1994, okay, like the Charlie Sheen thing that happened right now, right? They just took down five people, right? Two doctors, you know, I'm not Charlie Sheen, sorry.

I'm sorry. Matthew, Matthew Perry's death. Okay. They just arrested five people for ketamine, for lining it up, for giving them too much. In 1994, there wasn't a lot of that where they started charging people. I get that you saw somebody in jail. I get it. But back then, that wasn't as commonplaces.

Because it's changed the game. So it's like somebody gave you fentanyl, they're going to jail for murder, right? Like they had to, they're clamping down. But my point is, in 94, a lot of, okay, Bonnie and Joe were dealers and also Dell LSD, okay, their boyfriend and girlfriend, okay, at the house. Dylan did a top. On July 18th, get excited.

This is big! For the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited. Sorry. Smurfs. Only dinners July 18th. and got Kurt.

Okay. And Danny Rich did a ton of so they're bringing him with them too. But what I'm saying is yes, you could. The key is if Kurt's the one who kills himself, right? That's much better than they're complicit in not calling an ambulance and helping Kurt be resuscitated with Narcan or whatever they're going to use. You see what I mean?

So I believe that there's premeditation, and this combination that he's got it's got to look like he did it himself we can't be blamed for it this is the easy way out for them too right this is the easy way out stage the suicide put the barks rupeer can that's his favorite rupee put some cigarettes he's a big chain smoker there's a couple butts there did they test those for DNA they don't even have touched DNA back then this is right before OJ they don't have touched DNA okay

so they could maybe they had some basic way to see did Kurt smoke those cigarettes why does Kurt have the gun receipt in his pocket why he's carrying the gun receipt with him in the pocket from three days ago when he bought it supposedly why is the receipt

why is the receipt to the shotgun shows at his feet so you're telling me suicide victim has both receipts on it. He's got the receipt to show you he bought the gun and a receipt to show you he bought the shells. Show me another case of that anywhere. What do they call it?

Come on, a smorgasbord of evidence. Right. And that never happens. Like, there's never overwhelming evidence of any crime ever. You know what I'm saying? Almost never happens,

you have everything. The two receipts, you know, two receipts, you know, the it's overwhelming there's so much overwhelming evidence that says suicide you're saying as a result of that right not so it's staged it's overly staged badly but overly staged and even on his finger they used to say there was an abrasion and it's actually a pool of blood and so they were trying to say like when he kicked the trigger it like he had an abrasion I'm trying to think of a finger it's on right now, and they'll correct me in the comments.

It's actually a pool of blood. It's not an abrasion. And they kept saying it was an abrasion from either. I don't know if it's this man or it's the kick from this. He's got his left hand on the barrel. And they tried to say, well, he's left. So it should have been his right hand with his left hand on the trigger. Okay.

I'm not saying that proves much. He's got his left hand. okay it's probably this left finger the blood's dripping and it somehow comes to this this left thumb i could be wrong they're going to tread me and go crazy on me whatever but it's not an abrasion it's actually blood pooling on his finger so now the stool that was supposedly pushed up against the door the lock to this door was not a bolt lock it was a push lock you know what i'm talking about you could close it and lock it yourself You can't lock it from the inside solely.

Do you know what I mean by that? A push lock. I mean, all like on the door is the button you push in. Yeah, like, you know, like those push lights. It's not a bolt lock where you have a bolt lock, you can lock yourself in a room, right? You couldn't lock you without the key, okay? Right. If they had the key and then, you know, but minus the keys, they say early on there was a stool

wedged against the door, meaning Kurt wedged the stool so that the death is from someone in the room. And they can't get out, right? Because there's only one way and there's two French doors. At the front of it is a balcony. It's not a door. It's a window. Right. There's no way to get there from the, from outside unless you scale the build. Right. Exactly. Correct. So, so the paramedic fireman tells someone that I know through an investigation later on, and even early, and says it wasn't wedged against the door we broke the glass to go in you see the glass was broken

they punched through the glass to open the door right the stores across the room so why are the police making a statement saying it's wedged against the door this is a red flag right away

and the shell with the gun flipping 180 red flag the police it's look you know it really shocked me I'll tell you this real quick. Why didn't the police say there were fingerprints on the gun? Why? Why wouldn't you say they're there?

Why would you say they're not there? You know what I'm saying? If you're going to lie about everything else, why didn't you just say, yeah, we found a partial latent print on the trigger or on the barrel stock, whatever you want to call down by the trigger, right? This is the barrel.

This is the stock. I don't know. I'm not a huge. gun guy. Why didn't they just say, yeah, we pulled a partial print from Kurt? Why is there no print? So that doubt confused me. Like, if you're going to lie, dude, then keep lying. What do you, why you stop in the lie that's going to make you look guilty? That you're covering something up. And on the ped, why didn't you say there was a partial print on the pet? They should have. The autopsy is crazy. Heart shorn, whatever his name is. He was young. They

shred him on Facebook. They go crazy on this guy. He was smart. He was a doctor. Read the autopsy. It's pretty medically cerebral. I don't understand it all. I have to look up the words. The guy obviously was a med student and has his degree. But for him to just blast suicide, suicide. It's like, dude, what happened to what was all the hell? You didn't even have the report back from how much hair would he have in this system. So what are you doing? Why are you saying it's a suicide right away did you look for other evidence coroners actually use evidence too did they look for other evidence in the basement that there was an assault no no why didn't you investigate all the people that were there no didn't didn't didn't ask bonnie dillard anything didn't interview joe burns didn't interview

callie do it these people flew out of town okay there's a lot in in my point is this just like on o j what you think is evidence Johnny Cochran thinks it shows he's innocent. So you got really careful when you know this too, from your experiences too. Well, you say as evidence that you committed fraud, you say as evidence you didn't commit fraud. So there's a lot of those instances with Kurt's case where people say that. Well, he's got a gun on his thing. He shot himself.

He wrote a suicide note. He said he was pissed and angry and didn't want to fake. it anymore. And Francis would be better off without it. And he'll be at their altar. And they'll say all these things, right? But the other person will say, no, that's not a suicide. No, that is not, they have the psychologist come out and go, this is not a man who is clinically depressed, nor suicidal. They do, these people have dedicated their life to this map. They have, there's, if I was to give you everything, it'd be like a box of stuff. that they're somebody just sent me last night tips that they called in in 97 they did an

unsolved mysteries episode i guess where they talked about kurt's murder and this is the craziest thing so the people that start calling in the tips are the actual accessories to the murder they're on the record calling in because they're all snacked out and they probably watch the episode and they're like what are they trying to say watch this hey and they they have the tips recorded from these people and these are the people from the house or there are people pretending to be them that i have to figure out right like anyway dude it's the craziest it really is we can't go over at all it's the craziest true crime rock murder story i've ever seen i think it's bigger than o j i think o j people have this

OJ thing and they that's just a celebrity thing and the black versus white it's just different this Kurt thing is there's so many people involved right there's so many moving parts there never was a trial there never was an investigation this thing is more wide open OJ's that book is open and you can flip through it this one with with Kurt it's never been opened and that's fascinating um okay well listen so when or how far are you from finishing the book i should have the book out within six weeks okay it'll be on amazon called kurt's murder and me and it's going to be told in a romanoc cleft way where i'm going to use just their first names i'm not going to say anybody's last name. I'm going to use their real first names, and I'm going to play out the

murders, the murder, and I'm going to play out the story through these characters, all of them, using their first names only. And I'm going to throw in some of my own stuff, because I want to have fun with it. I'm not the type, if you read my other books, I like to tell stories. I'm not going to drive you on times, ceases of blood and hair carpet fibers. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to tell you a story, and I'm going to have these characters engage with one another, show what happen, show what happens afterwards. And this is for Kurt, and this is also for Joe Burns. I'm doing this kind of for Joe to help change his life. And I am going to use any money that is generated for him. And I'm also going to hopefully set up, like I did on OJ, a whistle

blower type fund or foundation where whistleblowers on any murder case can have resources to use to help bring justice to their victims okay um anything else i know you don't want to go over everything anything else you feel no i think i think we've hit it you know if we ever want to do a follow up later i think we've hit it as much as we can right now and i think i might think's even starting to lag a little, so maybe that's a sign too. But I'm honored, Matt, for you to have me here. Thank you so much for letting me come on and talk. And I have some other interviews that'll come out eventually, too. I'm doing some more. But I'm really excited to see this one. Your fans are awesome. We had great numbers before. So to those people out there, help us. Help Kurt. Help us.

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