Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Failed Robbery Took Down Atlanta’s Biggest Arms Dealer

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

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And when we got to that truck, we're going to swap everything out. And I'm going to burn this truck up that I just drove through the Pond Shop with. My brother, he's bugging out, so he gets out the car and just takes off running from us. Like, y'all are crazy. We get away. We really set that truck on fire, burning it up, and we get into another truck, and we drive home. My brother has gotten picked up by the cops. He told everybody but me.

Yep, he's been picked up, and he told him that two white guys kidnapped him and made him rob a story. them stupid shit ever. So I just knew to watch the cops. I knew what shift they work. I watched your wife go to work. I know what time she's coming home from work. It's a small town. I'm watching. So I know you got a six hour window for right here. Like this is this is some funny shit. It has been times that I would know my window was long and I would break in the cop house and it cooked me some food and shit. And um I took the guns. and um i went crazy with my camera phone the same stupid these guys on my space on my space i was the first guy to go viral and go to jail

and hey this is matt cox and we're going to do uh an interview with ramirez gravel He is a former, I'm going to go with a gunrunner, and he's got an interesting story. So check out the video. Where were you born? I was born in Augusta, Georgia, 1983. My mom and dad moved to Minnishville, Georgia, around about when I was, I want to say, eight years old, maybe nine. Do you have any brothers or sisters? or anything like that?

Yep. So I grew up with one sibling. He named is Christopher Grable. And we grew up in the same home, same mom, same dad. My dad went out and had a child out of lot with, I mean, out of wedlock. He went to have a child out of wetlock. And I had another brother. And we grew up in a small town, Middisfield, Georgia.

It's probably like 30 minutes south of Atlanta, 45 minutes south of Atlanta. It is very, very small town. It's very urban. It's a lot of blacks. You know, Georgia has a lot of blacks anyway. So I just grew up in a small town. But I did not grow up on the black side of town. I grew up on the side of town with the white kids

because I was fortunate enough to have a mom and the dad and so forth. So as time goes on, my mom and dad are working a lot of hours. I'm getting a little older. so they're not home as much. So at age like 12 or 13s, when I started really like, let me go outside, let me see what's going on outside, you know what I'm saying? So that turned out kind of crazy because now that everybody in my neighborhood knows that my mom and dad is never home.

So my house is, you know, the hangout house. You know, you got their friend whose house is like, go to his house. It's the cool house. His mom, dad never there. That was kind of like my house. So this is how I. get into guns, but I'm going to give you a quick backstory of just how I get into the situation. So while I'm outside hanging with my friends, I meet this dude. He says that he has a friend that

has marijuana. So I'm like, all right, cool. We're going to try to smoke some weed today. This time I'm like 13. So the dude with the marijuana lives in another neighborhood in this same little town. So we go get the weed and we hang out for maybe 30, 40 minutes. And my mind is It's blown away because mind you, I've been in the country and the suburbs my whole life and this is my first time going to like a city where it's like real hoods. Like I haven't ever seen this shit before in my ever and I'm young. So my mind is blown away. Dudes outside walking around.

He's guns and everybody smoking weed and girls walking around. You know, it's just that's just you see on TV type hood environment. So I instantly was attracted to that. So I started going back over there hanging around. And it was me, two of my white friends from my neighborhood, and the dude I now met in this other neighborhood. We found a little group. We started hanging out.

Boom. So my first way of getting money was just hushling crack. Because that's what everybody was doing in his neighborhood that were hustling crack. So I'm like, how do you do that? Like, give me the game. You know, I want to make some money. So he's like, listen, it's simple. I'm going to give you five of these for $10 a piece.

They sell for $20 a piece on the black. lot. All you got to do is give me 50 bucks. Go outside and make you $100. I'm 13 years old. I can't believe this shit. It went outside. It happened. It worked. I made some money. I'm like, wow, I just made $50 turned to $100. And I think that day right there is the day that, like, caused me a lot of problems for the rest of my life. Like, up until a few years back, that day right there, like, it was so crazy to me how my mom and dad worked hard for their money. They get paid once a week. I can go outside and make $50, turn to $100. That quick. Not thinking about the consequence.

I'm just a young mind. So times going on, and I'm getting just more and more into the street life. So we started breaking in cars. And that's how my gun journey first started. We started breaking in cars. And this is in Georgia in the mid-90s. No cameras and no iPhones and no doorbell cameras. Ain't none of that stuff going on in the mid-90s.

So we really out here just going crazy. So we're finding guns. Now, in the town that I live in, the city of Minnishville, Georgia, you can Google this. Minnishville, Georgia, it's one of the worst gang-infested cities in Georgia. It's bloods, it's Crips, it's GDs, and every game in the world is in that small town. Except, I told you, I'm not from their area. I live in the suburbs. So we're breaking in cars, we're getting out of guns.

the dudes in school like yo we need the gun because they gang bang so you know i get known in the streets for selling drugs and i have guns every now and then so all the dudes who gang bang come to me and get their guns so i never forget this man a couple years go by and it's just you know breaking their cars they turn to breaking their houses and then we got kind of schlicht with it we're like you know what a cop live right there so we're breaking the cop house it's for sure some guns going to be in there that's a bad idea crazy shit but we're young but we ain't even 17 yet and like I said cameras and all this stuff wasn't really popular back then especially in Georgia is very very poverty-stricken place except Atlanta Atlanta is the only Atlanta and Savannah maybe the only two

citizens in Georgia that really has some money and it's thriving so anyway start doing that um start breaking in cops' houses, getting their shotguns, they are X-D handguns and just crazy stuff. So I'm known for that now. I'm the gun guy. I'm the guy with the whatever you want, I can get it. So I never forget this, man. I say maybe it's 2000.

Now, it's the year of 2000. I'm probably 18. And this is true story. This is facts. We're watching Set It Off the movie. Me, my brother. My white friend and his brother. His name is Ronnie Holder.

Shout out Ronnie Holder. He's doing life right now. Oh. Yeah, he, you know, some people just never lead that life alone, you know. So, but he's doing life right now in Georgia State Prison. So are we watching Set It Off? And we're just amazed that they really drove a truck through this bank and rode the bank. Like, that shit was so cool to us.

And like, I can really say this. And I want to say this. all that shit I was doing back then, bro. A lot of it had to do with my intake, which was rap music and these crazy-ass movies that were coming out at Men's Society, Boys in the Hood, that shit is like bad on the child, you know what I'm saying? So my intake is like, I'm not knowing

that these guys is acting and these rappers is acting. I think they're doing this shit for real that they're talking about, you feel me? So I'm doing this shit for real, you know what I'm saying? So you watch and set it off, you like, that shit's cool. We should just go breaking the pawn shop and just get out of guns at the pawn shop. And in Georgia, most of the pawn shops sell guns because, you know, they got very lenient laws in Georgia with the kind of firearms.

So you can get a firearm in any local pawn shop or any corner. They have guns in there. And so we're going to break in the pawn shop. We're going to drive a truck through the pawn shop at night. We're going to get out of guns and we're going to pull off, like set it off. That's what we're thinking out here. One night we're in the room just smoking, and me, I always been like ahead of my time. Like my thinking when I always was on an adult level.

Like, I always thought on an adult level. So I'm like, I'm in the room one day and I'm just putting this plan together. This is something that we talked about, but we haven't put any action to it. But in my head, I'm really trying to put this plan together because I just want to do this shit. So I put the plan together like, listen, it's a four-by-four truck up the street at this used car lot. This back 2000, they still had the key box to the cars on the

windows of the cars. So the car keys is actually on the side of the window of the car in a little box. Yeah, but it's got that little key that pops that only they got. Yep. So you got to break into the box once you get it off the window. Exactly. So that night

I wanted to do that job because I really didn't want to drive through the pawn shop. And I made the plan. And I knew that if I did, this one part was to get the main truck, I got in, you feel me? So I went in and got the keybox off the truck, took it back home with me, broke inside of it, obviously. And this car lot that I stole this car from was called Junior's Auto Cell, and it had like a wooden

fence around it, not like metal, but it was like an old Western theme. It was like logs on top of logs to make a fence type thing. So you can like just pull that shit out the ground basically, for real. Like so that night came, I took the truck. I pulled the logs out the ground. I drove the truck off. This truck really was like a monster truck almost. Like it had those big ass mud tires on it.

It's the perfect shit that you want to drive through a building with. You feel me? So my brother and my two friends, they can't bleed their eyes. Like, yo, you're fucking crazy. really got the truck. I'm like, what's up? What we're going to do? We're going to do this here or what? So them, my friend, Ronnie, his brother, and my brother, they agreed to get in the truck and go do it. I'm going to meet them after the robbery and another truck up the street. So what happened is this. They go. They try to just ram the door one time. It really didn't

work that good because they're scared to just like give it all they got. So by the time they did get into the building, the cops was kind of, like, alerted. But they got away with a whole bunch of guns, assault rifles, pistols, glocks. I didn't even know they made nine millimeter rifles. I didn't know they made, like, all these crazy shit. This is back when tech nines were popular and stuff like that. And we took a lot of that stuff. And the plan was to get the guns to this other truck that I had. And when we got to that truck, we're going to swap everything out and I'm going to burn this truck up that I just drove through the pawn shop with. It's a great idea, right?

My brother's freaking out. He's like, no, bro, you're going too far. You're going too far. I don't want no process of that crazy. So you're going to blow the truck up. Yeah, we've got to burn the truck up. My brother, he's bugging out. So he gets out the car and just takes off running from us.

Like, y'all are crazy. I mean, that's not, that's no worse than already breaking in the pawn shop with the guns. I mean, you're already, you're past the point in no return. We've passed the point in over turn. We just leave it there with your prints on it. We got to get rid of this truck. It got too many ways to track it back to head. But my brother, this is first time.

He really never even hangs with me at this point. When I'm in the streets, doing what I'm doing, my little brother don't really hang with me. But this one time, he's like, he wanted to go. So he jumped out the truck and run. So we get away. We really set that truck on fire, burning it up. And we get into another truck and we drive home. My brother has gotten picked up.

by the cops for what walking from across is that illegal black walking from a crime scene but it's a small town right you know it's a small town it's a young guy walking the same direction that this robbery just got called in it so um it's the true story i'm not going to say my brother's name on camera but they picked my brother up and he told everybody but me I mean, couldn't he just said, I'm just walking. Like, it was just, what are you doing? I'm walking. They scared him.

They got him. And he's a kid, man. He's, yeah. Just turned 17. I'm 18. He's a year younger than me. You're going to jail for 10 years. We know you did it.

We have surveillance photos. There's what two people saw you get dropped off. We know. The crazy part about it. Give me Paul and Billy did it. That place did have no cameras at all at that time. Yeah, I mean, I know that, but your brother doesn't know, you know, there was a camera on the McDonald's across the street.

We got another one on the, you know, they just lie to you. And you just start telling. So we get back home and we got bulletproof vests. We got guns. We got all this shit. And like my heart, my adrenaline. From the pawn shop? From the pawn shop.

Okay. they sell uniforms for cops equipment it's like a it's a pawn shop slash gun store okay but if anybody who's watching it's from georgia they can voucher like y'all seen those it's it's a pawn shop slash gun store in the same business i'm in florida they sell guns and all the pawn shops they all got done they'll buy in pretty much anything that they think they can sell so it was that kind of set up but it was also like police friendly they had like uniforms and vests and technical shit. So, uh, we, uh, so we get back home and we're not even thinking about my brother at this point. We kind of put this shit up in safe places. We pick what we want. You get this.

You get that long story short. So now we send back chilling and smoke. Like, hold on. What the fuck my brother at? So I'm, I'm tripping out now with my brother at. So, uh, my two homeboys with the other truck, they were like, we're trying to go finding. I'm like, man, I ain't getting back in that truck with y'all tonight. That shit is just not going to happen. Like, no, I don't think we should go back out there. They're like, man, it's your brother, man. They might be, we got to go find him.

I'm like, y'all go find him, bro. I'm going to cheer right here. Like, they leave, not knowing that my brother has been picked up. And he told them that I'll be with two other white guys. So wait a second. Wait a second. He said they kick. Go ahead.

Okay, look, I'm saying, isn't the truck fucked up? How are they you still driving the truck? It's not damaged? You remember? I said, the truck. that we drove, we switched out to another truck. Oh, okay, I missed that. Sorry, I missed that. Go ahead. We burned that truck up. Yeah, I thought you hadn't burned the truck yet. Yeah. All you said was your brother got, he got out and got picked up. I didn't, I thought you guys are still driving around the same truck. Right. Okay, I'll move too fast. Sorry, go ahead. So, yeah, so when my brother got out and ran, we just went on with the operation. We had another truck set up somewhere where I was in the other truck. Right. They come back to me like your brother, he piled ass on us. He didn't want no more. So when they get back to me and the other truck, my brother's not with us no more. He's walking.

Boom. Now, we switch trucks. We leave that truck in, like, a water area. We've set it on fire. We get in this truck, go back to my mom's house. Okay. Because they're looking for the red truck probably, you feel me? So we go back to my mom house.

And when we get there, we separate things, split stuff up, you know what I'm saying? And after we're chilling for a little while, we're like, what the fuck my brother at? So they want to go find him. I don't. I'm scared I'm scared of shit still I just can't believe I just did this crazy ass shit

and at this point you hear the sirens you hear the police cars you see the light like this shit was like this is no lie bro the worst idea ever that shit was like

a half a mile from my house where we did this at right so I hear out you see all the action going towards that way I'm like no way I'm going to find him right now

so they want to go find him And I guess they also want to go take their guns home that they got out of the deal. So when they leave, they don't know that. My brother's been picked up. Yep. He's been picked up and he told him that two white guys kidnapped him and made him rob and store with them. Stupidest shit ever. Okay.

I'm sure the cops didn't believe that. They didn't believe that. They didn't believe that. Fuck, no. So that night, nobody came back to me. I'm like, what the fuck? And I'm too young to, like, I'm not about to call it around to the jails and shit. I'm just like, I feel like something bad having, but I don't know.

And we're young, so I'm like, what the fuck? Like, so probably that next morning, like 9 o'clock, cops come to my house, knock on the door. They try to get me to tell them something. They know for sure, but you know something. Everybody left your house last night. We know that. They went to rob this store. You wasn't willing to, we know that, but you got to know what the guns are.

You got to know something. I don't know shit about shit. I wasn't with them. I don't know nothing. They pressed me, take them to the station and try to scare me up. I ain't break. And luckily, my two friends or the two other brothers, they didn't tell on me. But they're mad.

And because I call to my phone, like, your fucking brothers are rat. I'm like, yo. So I'm still free. They write me a letter and tell me where all the other guns are. I tell you, bro. I ain't never had no shit like that in my life. Like, people to this day who know me for that, like, bro, you're going crazy motherfucker.

Like, I had so many guns. And so what happened was I started, I was selling guns to everybody, everybody who, all the game, rival game members who needed guns, I got them. What about the two guys? Like, are they, did they, what happened to them? They're in jail right now. Are you for that? Yeah.

Well, not today. But in this story. Okay. At this point, they're still just in jail. Yeah. So they haven't been sentenced. They didn't get bond? No, not yet.

Not anything. All right. So they're in jail. Both of those guys was on probation. My brother was not on probation, but he had a bond that was ridiculously high, and my mom couldn't make it. So he had to sit in jail for a while. So I started moving the guns. I'm sending the guns.

and um just being crazy with it so that right there started me on like um i want to say like i was branded like i'm the gun guy and they felt good to me that everybody needed me for something they like they felt good to me so i got to keep this going i got to figure out how to keep this going so um what happens is they get sentenced to like five years each plus with georgia back then in Georgia give you a sentence like this, 20 serve five. Okay.

20 serve five is a 20 year sentence. You're going to serve five and the other 15 is on probation. 15 years of probation? Yeah. That's how they trick you in Georgia. That's how they get you in trouble at all. You can go back for the whole thing, right?

Yes. All right. You know what I'm saying? But they have to, that charge, they had to give you 20 years for their charge, but you don't have to serve it in prison. You just have to get that number. You see what I'm saying?

So that's 20 third, five. My brother ended up getting 10 years probation. He ended up coming home. He told. You know what I'm saying? I understand. You feel me? I'm not going to say his name on here.

But he told. So he ended up coming home on probation. Now, a few months go by. All the guns I had are gone. But my phone's still ringing. I'm still hungry for money. I got to keep this shit going. So eventually, at some point, I joined the gang, the Crips.

Game Banging was getting more and more popular in Georgia. It was growing, it was growing. Eventually, I just got into it. I started hanging on the other side of town more than where I grew up at this point. So now I'm just all in. I started gang banging. And from that point, I started teaching younger members are how to break in police houses.

You still police guns. Specifically police? Specifically police because they got a lot of shit because I'm young and dumb, but I haven't been caught yet. Yeah. You got to think about that. Yeah, so you still think you're invincible.

You still think like, they ain't going to catch me. I'm too smart. I'm too good. Everybody that before you go to jail, you think it can't happen to you. Yeah. Can't happen to me. Those other guys went to jail because they're stupid.

not me not me i'm making other people do it i'm not going to do it yeah you know so uh yeah and um a lot of the neighborhood cops they they were mad about that shit too because it's true because like i said back then it wasn't no doorbell camera it wasn't no iPhones it wasn't none of that technology and they have a home system back then was probably kind of expensive so i just knew to watch the cops i knew what shift they were i watched your wife go to work i know what time she's come home from work It's a small town. I'm watching. So I know you got a six-hour window for right here.

Like, this is some funny shit. It has been times that I would know my window was long and I would break in the cop house and it cooked me some food and shit. This is real tough. Listen, that's what makes them hate you. Like, that's the kind of shit that makes them hate you. I'm not proud of this shit.

You know what I'm saying? I've been shamed, but this is the story that is crazy um so uh man i'm doing that and um i got a lot of lot of stripes in this game because i was the guy that could get the weapons and stuff um it all started to fall down towards 2006 seven at this point a bit. I end up, I end up catching a case, but not for guns. It was for drugs. I caught a drug possession case. I ended up going to jail. I served a couple of years from 2000 to 2000, no, for 2004 to 2006. I came home 2006, and that's when I tried to do that stupid shit again. And that's

now, my space is out now. You know what I'm saying? Camera phones are out now. All right. And I just got out of jail. And I'm like, yo, this is crazy. So I'm back on my bullshit. I'm breaking in houses. I'm stealing police guns. And I run across these two Mac 11s.

And they had the shoulder sling going on. They were brand new with the muzzle, the cooling system. It was like the coolest shit ever. And they were for a cop. And I took the guns. And I went crazy with my camera phone. the same stupid on my space

on my space I was the first guy to go viral and go to jail I knew a guy that I knew a guy that robbed the bank listen I knew a guy that robbed the bank laid on put the money all around them and took pictures and put it on Facebook

and the bands were still on the and like the places just got robbed like people he knew it went crazy people called the bank and said or people called the cops and said didn't a bank get robbed like yesterday like you need to look at this boom we've arrested them they had them they had them arrested within a day or two yo that's crazy you just don't think they're going to put it together that fast you don't you don't and another thing is this people the way my stuff went viral is because like

I don't know I just felt like it was it was a certain group of people that wanted to wanted me to go to jail because they felt like I was dangerous, bro. I was providing guns to people who were really killers, you know what I'm saying? And like a lot of people, a lot of older people didn't like me for that because they, because they heard about me. Like, that's that guy who getting all these guns and, you know what I'm saying? So I got two Mac 11th. Oh, and the crazy part about these two Mac 11s, I had 20 clips.

This cop had two Mac 11s and 20 clips loaded in his, in his closet, in his house. I guess, but this gun wasn't a fully automatic gun, so it was legal. It was a semi-automatic gun, but it was a Mac 11 for sure. And long-star shot, I put it on MySpace. I sent the pictures out, and it wasn't even two days. The cops came and got me. It wasn't even two days later. It wasn't even the cops.

I'm sorry, my probation officer. Oh. Did you remember of your MySpace? My probation officer. No, I don't know if he got it from MySpace, but he just got the word. And in Georgia, I don't know about Florida, but they don't need a warrant if you're on probation. They come right in your house. So they brought him to make a stick, kind of like.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Let the P.O. search the house. We can't go wrong here. You feel me? Yeah. So the P.O. could give consent. Exactly.

So my P.O. called me. He said, hey, I'm about to do a field check. You know, just come outside and wave your hand. I should know, or do you still live there? That's some normal shit where he does. A field check, you pull up, say, hey, how you doing? He leave. Treat me.

All right, y'all come on for the field check. He pulled up, and he started talking to me, and he never came with another guy in the car. I said, who's that in the car? That's my chief. He's the chief of probation. Everything you know, a police car pulls in, sheriff car pulls, and detective pools, and,

I'm like, what the fuck? He's like, yeah, man, you're going to jail. Like, we've been told you got guns. in your house, about to go search it. So I'm just lock you up right now for probation violation. Put your hands behind you back. Put me in the car for probation violation, shoot me away. They find the guns. They find some drugs. I'm on state probation. My parole officer comes to the county jail, maybe after me being locked up for a month, and he says, sign this waiver, saying that you're guilty. And you can just go do six months in prison. And I kid.

your probation. You come, and then when you get done with that, you have to face your new charges. But you can just give me six months, and I took that your probation. I mean, your parole, I'm sorry, not probation, your parole. Because the two years I did, I only did like 18 months, and I'd have 40 months on parole when I came home. So I caught a new charge. I go do six months.

He killed my parole. Boom. I gave back to the county jail. I'm happy. I'm like, yes, I'm about to make bail. I'm about to fight this gun case with all I got because there wasn't my apartment. It wasn't my house, all these things in my hair life, I'm about to beat this shit. So when I get back to the county jail after doing my six months, the judge keeps denying my bond hearing.

He's like, no, not today. I schedule for the next week. The next week come, or you know, now you ain't got caught today. The judge put it back again. I'm like, why the, I don't got no parole holding me, no detainers. Why won't you give me a bond? Are they waiting for the ATF to indict you or for you to be indicted? There you go.

So now my family's bugging out. They called the jailed captain. Why my son don't got no bond? U.S. Marshals have got to wait to see him. I don't know who that is. I'm like, the U.S. Marshals. What is that?

I don't think, I don't know that's the federal government. I'm not putting that together right now in my head. Like, the U.S. marshes want to see me. How old are you at this point? At this time? 25. Okay. Yep.

I did a bid. It came home. And now I'm 25 at this point. So. Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun. Liam Nissan.

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I'm like, who the fuck? We don't even have visits at nighttime. I go into this little room, and it's a little, maybe middle age, a white lady in there. like, hi, I'm from the Federal Bureau of Investigations. And are you Ramirez? I'm like, from the FBI or the ATF? FBI. FBI, okay.

The ATF had my case, but she was just like a representative to tell me what was going on that I would be moved to another federal jail. Because this county jail, it's a small county jail. They don't hold federal inmates. So she was just somebody that I never saw her again. She just came to tell me that they picked my case up. And I was going to be in federal custody, and I'd be leaving this place soon. So I'm sick now.

I'm sick. I'm like, the federal, the feds want me for it. I'm like, yo. And most of my homeboys, they get fed cases to do 10, 15, 20 years. So I'm in here. I'm going through it. I'm thinking I'm going home on a bond, and now I'm going to a whole other facility. So that very next night, do it a day.

They took me to a federal jail in Jones County, Georgia. I went in front of a judge, and he gave me a bond. He said, he gave me $2,500 cash, cash bail, and he said, only because they found some marijuana and they found the two Mac11s. The DA told me that we're going to drop the marijuana, and you can just please get it to the Mac11s, and we'll give you a bond. and we'll work a deal with you when you go to court. But he said, here's the catch to it. If you plead out to the marijuana, you can get the drug program and get the year after your sentence,

but you can't go home on the bond. We don't let drug dealers go home on bond. Like, you get a drug case with the feds. They're telling me, if you got a drug case, we're not letting you go home. But you only just take the guns and plead out of that. We'll drop the weed and let you make bail. But this whole time, they know I'm a game member, too,

and they want me to tell for real. But I don't know this at this point. I'm like, all right, cool. I play y'all to the gun, if y'all dropped the week. Let me go home for a little while with my family, and I can do my time. Boom. I make bail. When I make bail, my opponent, federal lawyer calls me.

I never forget. Catherine Leak, she was like, hey, they want to debrief you at the courthouse. I'm like, they want to debrief me. Who? Who is they? You know, she was like, you know, the ATF and, you know, the people who got your case, they want to talk to you about stuff. I'm like, all right, cool.

I go to the courthouse. it was one of those meetings. Look, man, you only got these guns and, you know, this dude in your neighborhood sells drug and this dude your neighborhood does this and who's your gang leader and all this whole crap. I wasn't talking to him. And so the dude was like, you know,

if you ever want to help yourself out, man, you'd probably go do it probably about 10 years. If you talk to this, I might get it down about two. So he gave me his card. Now, I would be a lie if I said, I didn't think about it. it didn't I would be lying to you

because I'm free my kid at this time I got a small small child and I'm like so it's in my mind but I know that whatever time I'm about to do

is not going to be forever and I feel like I want to still be an entertainer I still want to do music and I just didn't want to have a bad name from where I'm from you know

and you can get killed and I'm a gang member you feel me everybody go to federal prison So, you know what I'm saying? So I just chose to do my time. So I ended up taking 70 months. But my guideline was 70 to like 100 months or something.

Like 70 to 100 months was my guideline. And I went in front of the worst judge, bro. And I really thought he gives everybody the high end. He gives everybody the high number. Like when I got my judge, the whole jail. like, yeah, you're done. He's going to give you a hundred months, which is almost 10 years. What saved me was my dad was the same guy I told you that went to college that raised me. He worked for the Department of Corrections, but on the state level, and he showed up to my court sentencing.

And he was like, you know, I worked for the Department of Corrections, and I don't agree with my son. And I hate criminals. He's a little speech. And the judge gave me 70 months, bro. The only reason I wasn't an on career criminal because my drug charge before that wasn't intent to deliver. It was just a possession. So they couldn't give me an all-career criminal. It was only a 922G. But I mean, I got so much time because I was category six, though, because I got. Yeah, I was going to say because you got to get five years, no matter what, you had to get five years.

So you, but your criminal, your, um, your, um, your, um, your criminal history was already pretty high. That's why you end up getting the, with the 70 months instead of the 60. But some people get 922 Gs and don't get five years though, but they're having, but they beat most of the people with no record in first offense. You caught with like a little handgun. Yeah, you know, they'll get three years. The minimum, like if I got, if I had a gun, I'm getting three years. But if I had a drug charge or it was caught with the gun and drugs, I'm getting five. Right. You already had a drug charge.

So you weren't getting less than 60 months unless you cooperate. Exactly. So my guideline was 70 to 87 months. That was with the two-point reduction for playing out. Before that, it was some higher shit. So, yeah. So actually what happened, I ended up during that time. And I came home for federal prison in 2014.

And I didn't go back to Georgia. I still go back and visit. Every year I go back home and I do shows. I do music and stuff like that. And what I always wanted to do. And I didn't want their name of a snitch on me. You feel what I'm saying? So now I'm back home.

I got my music going. People in my city play my music. They come to my shows and stuff. So I feel good about that. But I moved to Pennsylvania and I just walked away from game. From gang, I walked away from out of it, huh? Why Pennsylvania? So while I was doing it,

So in my federal time, my mom and dad got a final divorce. And my mom is originally from here. So when her and my dad divorced, she moved here. But my brothers, my dad, my kids, everybody is still in Georgia. I just knew that if I came home around those same people in that same area, the chances of me doing something different when my life is going to be slim, only because when you grow up somewhere and you stay there, it, like, it forces you to be around certain people. and you can't escape it.

They know where you're at. They know where you live. They're going to come to your house, and they're going to come to your job. You know, you just got to leave sometime. Some far where they can't come, you know what I'm saying? So I came to Pennsylvania. And I did good for two years.

That was 2014. It's 2023 now. So I've been here a long time. I did good for two years. And I went through a struggle. I ended up getting my, I ended up starting a cleaning business When I first got out of the feds, I did a cleaning business.

And it did well. Me and this girl I met, we started cleaning business. It did well. And then me and her broke up, and she hit me for everything. It was in her name because I'm on federal probation. We got bank contracts, all this stuff. So it's in her name. We broke up.

She took everything. I'm back to square one. What do my stupid ass do? Let me sell some drugs in Pennsylvania. Right. Let me sell some drugs in Pennsylvania. I tried there for about eight months It's all it took

And a dude I was dealing with Set up a control by And here I go With a federal violation Federal violation Controlled by How did that go? What were you selling?

Cocaine. Cogane Yep I sold this dude at eight ball And he had got caught A day or two before And he told his cop This big story

That this guy from Georgia's bringing all the drugs up here to Pennsylvania, like, put all this sauce on it. And, um, they set up a controlled buy. But the plan was to make three buys on me and then come into my house and get the stash. So, but after the first bite that they got from me, I end up going to rehab. And let me give this, let me just give you this last little story about how that happened. So I'm selling the drugs. I'm going through it. My girlfriend left me. I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm doing I'm going back to what I started in the beginning. I'm selling drugs.

So I end up catching the case. Boom. Well, sorry. I end up selling to a dude that's cooperating. But when I sell him to drugs, I also go piss dirty for my probation officer. I'm pissing dirty for cocaine because I'm dealing with this shit. I'm putting in my hands and it gets in your pores.

So my PO, like, look, you need to go to rehab, or I'm going to have to tell the judge to violate you. You keep on having cocaine. system. And I'm like, bro, I don't get high. He's like, I don't want, you got to go to rehab or go back to jail. So after they get the one buy for me, I go to rehab. You didn't explain to him. I'm not getting high. I'm just dealing. That wasn't, no, that wasn't the way you went. So, yeah, probation officer, I just sell drugs, sir. I don't do the shit. No way. Not that. So, uh, it was crazy, man. This is a good.

But this is a great story right here to end of the week on how that worked out for them. So I go to rehab. I don't know how I have was controlled by over my head. So I go to rehab and I get back out of jail. I mean, not rehab. I was in rehab for 30 days, impatient. I come home from rehab and I'm driving my car two days later and I get put over by the cops for a tail light. They put me over on my name and say, you have a warrant for your arrest for money laundering.

what they tell me on the side of the road. I'm like, what? I'm like, nah, I just got out of rehab two days ago. And my probation, I knew I was in rehab the whole time. He didn't mention anything about no warrants. You got the wrong guy. So he's like, I believe you. Because this is a weird type of warrant to have a money.

He was like, I'm going to call the station and see if they want me to bring you in. So he calls him. And they're like, yeah, we want him, bring him in. And I get there. And they're like, it's not money laundering. you have a control by of a narcotic you sold to a and when I read the paperwork it's the dude I'm like fuck so here I go again but I rehab two days and I'm back in the county jail um I called my probation officer and I say please lift my detainer and let me make bail so I can fight this case

from the street I need a fair chance at beating this I'm innocent I just want to get me a lawyer I can't fight it from behind these walls I don't have enough money he was like nah I'm not I'm not dealing with you. You are sold drugs on probation. You're staying in jail and you fight from jail. So this is what happened. I'm doing time in Montgomery County facility in Pennsylvania. And I get a cellie, and he's been to the feds before.

And I tell him the same story I'm telling you about the controlled by and the rehab. So he was like, you know, your probation officer don't really run anything. It's your back judge. He was like, if you really went to rehab and you're, You just passed it, and you got the paper saying you went to rehab, and you made that sell before you went to rehab, write your judge and tell you had a drug problem, and you went to rehab, you're clean, and you want to make bail, and fight your case from the street. I don't think for one chance in hell this is going to work, but I'm in jail. It's a long shot. I write it.

I'm on the phone with my girl maybe two weeks later. They do mail call. I get the mail, and I'm looking at it, and it's like court papers. But I'm thinking it's for the drug case because it's a state case. So my girl, like, read the papers. I'm like, it's just court shit. I ain't reading that shit. I want to talk on the phone for my 15 minutes.

I'm saying, I don't got but one phone call. I'm not going to read my mail on the phone with you. She was like, let's read it. And I looked at it. I'm like, oh, shit, it's from the feds. And I read it. And the judge said, I grant you the motion for bail. So I went down to the federal jail for a bond hearing, and he let me go.

Nice. He said, I got your letter, and he said, I see what a P.O. told you to go to rehab, told you to get a job, and you complied, and you didn't give him no hassles about it. You went to rehab, you got a job, you complied. So I'm going to get benefit of the doubt. I'm going to let you bond out, and that's your case from the street. And so I bailed out, and this shit was unbelievable, but it gave me an ankle monitor. But I can't lie.

I'm stressing. I'm stressing because I'm guilty. and I don't know how I'm going to beat this shit I don't know what they got on me so end of the day I'm about to go to trial is what I'm telling the courts I'm about to go to trial

fuck it that's a mistake because what the federal government is telling me is if you violate for this type of violation if you get found guilty that's three years with us

plus whatever they give you for this charge in Pennsylvania state oh damn okay that's going to give me three years for that violation because I had three years years on probation, federal probation that came out to my time. Yeah. So they were going to revoke out of that. Even though I only had six months left on it, that was going to give me the whole

three if I pled guilty to drug sale. So I told the courts, I'm going to trial. And I'm really trying to pump fake them so they can give me a real low deal. I'm telling myself, like, I'll take a one to three up and they ain't going to do three for the feds. But I'm really stressed to fuck out, man. So I'm telling these people, I'm going to trial. I'm going to trial. And what happened was the feds got tired of me waiting to go to trial. And at this time, I'm smoking hell of weed. I'm drinking hell of beer and I'm pissing dirty for my PO while on the leg monitor while waiting to go to trial. And he's like, Grable, why are you getting high, bro? And I was like, listen, man, have you ever been facing five years in jail? Have you ever been facing that much time?

And, you know what I'm saying? I bought it like, this is some stressful shit. That's why I'm getting high. So he was like, man, you got to get out the streets. So what happened was the fans got tired of waiting on me to go to trial. And they gave me an offer I couldn't refuse. One day, my lawyer called me and said, hey, the DA got a deal for you. He said, because you're on leg amount to you and you're doing drugs and you stressed out.

He said, go get him a year and a day. Before you please get to, before you go to trial, before you do anything, give him a a year in the day and they'll let you out federal probation you only got six months left on it right if you go to the court and get found good they'll give you three years take a year in the day right now and we're done with you because you're hard to supervise we don't want no more dealing with you take this year in the day and i thought about it for 20 minutes i said i'll take it you feel me because now i can go wrong with this case and you know i could parole out of pennsylvania or something you know what i'm saying but i didn't want to deal with the feds three years and that case so i signed the way

and I went to Hazleton, FCI, 2018, where they killed Wadi Borgia. I was there. Oh, okay. Yeah. He came, got out the bus one night. The whole compound couldn't believe it. Wadi Borgia was here. The next morning he was dead.

He didn't make it to break. I didn't know what happened. I didn't know. I didn't realize it was okay. He didn't make it to breakfast. When they went and checked their cell again, he was dead with his tongue cut out of his mouth. They locked this down for three days and I was sailed and after that life went on.

And you were in the same facility or, I mean, in the same prison? Yeah. I mean, wasn't he in like a pen? Yeah, so Hazarton, FCI is a complex. Okay. They got a low, medium, camp, in the pen. And you were in the pen? I was in the medium.

Okay, he was in the pen. He was in the pen. Okay. But you know, this is so, this is such big news that the compound knew it, he was coming. And in my mind, I'm saying he's not going to walk in population because he's told on people, he cooperated. Right. So in my mind, like, you're not going to come on the yard of a pen and just walk around and like, no, I don't think he's going to do that. So, but he does.

And you know, like I know, in the federal jail, to ask you, have you ever told on somebody, do you feel safe walking around here? Do you want to be in population? you say yes they put you in population so when i said he came to population i was like what the fuck and he didn't make it a day that's crazy they should put him in the medium or the low he was an old man he's not an old man i kind of feel like it was suicide like he wanted him almost like he because he he had to know right oh yeah listen but he went to trial and the whole time during the trial. The whole trial was basically about him trying to prove that he didn't cooperate. You understand he never said he cooperated. He always, he went to trial so that he was like,

prove that I cooperated. Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, he was saying that the FBI made it sound like he cooperated, but he never really cooperated. But it did matter by that point. Everybody already believes that. You know what I'm saying? Like if somebody says you're a rat, even if there's no proof and other people start saying it it's almost impossible for you to prove that that's not true so now you're going to be fighting for the next fucking few years of your sentence even though you're like i didn't say anything but some assholes said it everybody else spread the rumor and it's just impossible to get it off of you that's one of the hardest jackets to get off your name somebody calls you a snitch or a rat it's like you got to really go find your transcripts and do all this

stupid shit to prove to prove that and you're right i didn't even know that um he was trying to say that. Yeah, there's a documentary on it where his lawyers are interviewed and they're saying they think that Connolly, the FBI agent, they think Connolly made it look like he was cooperating to protect him because he's paying him. Like he's paying him to give him information. And Connolly is is getting the information by saying Bulger is cooperating. But most of the cooperation, he Connolly was taking from other people who were giving information

and saying it came from Bulger Okay Bulger always insisted he never cooperated Like he knew he was going to prison forever They were saying look We'll just give you like 30 years And he would say no I want to go to trial

Because I want to prove at trial That I did not cooperate Because he knew he's going He's done So he did really want to walk comfortably Yeah I guess he thought he was hoping that it would come out and people would understand that it was it wasn't true right you know whether it's true or not I don't know I just know that during the trial that was really the big reason for him to go to trial because he knew he he he knew he knew he's guilty he's going to prison forever he's going to die in prison but anyway but I hear you so that so they killed him that day they lock everybody down and the whole facility a lot they down for three days and um we didn't at first we didn't know why but we like everybody knew why he boys and he was like everybody knew why he boys. came there because you know the guards and stuff you know why your brother just came to the pen

yeah we're like oh oh wow that's crazy and then the next morning we didn't come out for breakfast we locked we we don't we're on lockdown but six o'clock news come on yeah watch tv in the dorm like wadi borgia died and hazelton it was like whoa that's why we locked down it's crazy just that quick you know like i can't tell no grown person what to do and like because people have kids and family members if you want to get back home to your family i kind of understand. It's just something that I'm not willing to do because just by me going to prison, I know that a lot of people don't live comfortably when you decide to do that. A lot of people don't. Some people do. A lot of people don't. A lot of people have to be in by themselves the whole

time. They're in prison because of that. So I just chose not to, but I don't judge people, you know. So what happened? So you got out. So after that last time, I went to the violation. all that stuff happened. By this time, I'm 30 something. And I'm looking around at all these guys who are 21, 22, and I just feel out of place. Like, I can't keep doing this shit. I'm about to be 40 years old. And this shit just got to stop. So the last time I got out, I buckled down. I learned how to do technology. I got me a couple of YouTube channels. I monetize my Instagram. Like I say, I do music. I got to record studio that I work at. I edit content. for people and I just decided to just

I left all that shit alone man people that know me from back then don't even can't believe me right now like how I am now they're like I can't believe you like I thought you was going to really be dead or in jail forever like I was dead crazy what's your YouTube channel it's a BMG Capo official

oh okay it's uh yep that's why I got it right there should put the at YouTube on YouTube Instagram is all the same BMG Capo official at YouTube but I also have another channel

that it's a faceless channel but it's called T-T-O-M-T-V where we interview influencers, we interview Charleston White crazy ass I don't know who that is you know Charleston White? No. The guy on the internet

who's starting out of drama with everybody but anyway he is like he's against gang members. And he's like, I hate all gang members. Oh, I know. I love the black guy. He's Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great.

We interview him. He was on Vlad. Yeah, yeah. He's hardcore. So my other channel, T-T-O-M-TV, is my other channel, and we interviewed him. It did well. It did well. I said it did like over 300,000 views on several clips.

So it's over a million views. I did an hour interview when we made it like four different clips, and it did good, man. It's funny as hell. But, you know, I had a bunch of questions for him because he was like, I don't like rappers and gang members. So, you know, I was like. So, but yeah, so I just do content now, man. I came across your channel because I like to see people's stories and people that have been through what I've been through. And I watch a bunch of your stories and I were like, I'm going to tell my story on Matthew Kitt channel.

Do you have a TikTok? you do tic-tok um i do have a tic-top but i'm just not big on i'm a big on instagram so yeah so tic-tok like i had i had a guy in canada start my tic-tok right he contacted me i had one before this this young kid was running for me and he just didn't seem to understand that like you certain things you just can't say and he just put in the clips right and then and then suddenly boom they just, they took the whole TikTok, you know, they gave multiple warnings. So then, you got to edit the cursing out and all that stuff. Oh, yeah.

You can't talk about guns. You can't talk about, like it's all kinds of stuff. Right. So, well, I mean, you can and you can't. It depends. But anyway, so then I didn't even even fuck with it for a while. Then this guy from Canada said, hey, can I run a TikTok channel for you? And I'll direct all the traffic to, you know, your, you're, uh, your, uh, you're, uh, you're

YouTube channel. He just offered his services to you. Just offered. And you know, this is the problem. I've had people do that before. And here, you know, what happens is most of the time they just fall off. They said they're going to do it. And two weeks later, they're like, ah, it's too much work. Right, right. And they intend. I get it. They're not there. They're not being jerks. Their intention is, you know what I just don't know what it takes. It just don't know what it takes work. Right. And I can't pay you. Like I'm like, look, I'm not paying somebody $450 a month to run a TikTok. Like I'm just not doing it. So it, you don't remind me of, reminds me of all your buddies in prison that left that said, man, I'm going to put money on your books. I'm going to write your letters. And then you get the one phone call and you get, you might get 20 bucks one day. Might. Maybe. Maybe.

And then they don't answer your phone on the phone anymore. Right. And all the stuff they were going to do, they don't do none of it. None of it. but at the time they meant it like i i always like to think that you know listen like i you know those guys it's like look i get it and i get what you're saying but you'll get out there life will take over yeah you got two two kids you got a girlfriend you got your mom needs you help you you got and next thing is no you know it's like do i really need to be busting my ass working and

sending this fucking guy in prison money you know every month like i got bigger i got two kids man right so so I get it so people reach out and they try and help and they just they don't realize what it takes and they make these huge offers and every time I've taken people up on it they fall short well anyway this guy in Canada when I talk to him he actually like pled his case like he was like look I'm in real estate you know I do okay but it's dropped off dramatically he said I'd like to ultimately do something in social media and I think that I could take your content and run a channel and I'd really like to do it just to see how it goes and I was like okay like you're you're not sitting there lying in me you know and telling me oh I'm going

to this and that and anyway and he's like look I'll do it for six months and in six months if you want to pay me great if not I'll just hand it over to you so I was like okay he did it for about four months took it from started the channel actually started two channels one of the channels never did great. It ended up with 10,000 followers. The other one, he brought it all the way up to about 103,004,000. We're talking about in three months. Wow. Three or four, three to four months. Then he real estate picked up in Canada. He started working more. He didn't post anything for like two weeks and I contacted him. I said, bro, what's going on? He goes, man, I'm so sorry. Work is picked up. He said, I said, was it a matter of me, you know, do you need me money? Like he's like, no, even if you

gave me money. I just don't have the time to do it. Even if you paid me, I still have to work this many hours to keep my job. And he said, let me just hand it back to you. So he handed over to me, took us another month. So I didn't post anything for over probably four to six weeks. We hired a guy. We started posting. But I can tell you right now. So by the way, we've been posting for two weeks. The first time we read the, you know, and listen, but let me tell you, that TikTok, some of those videos have 6 million views 2 million views 4 million views

it's huge like that thing went to 100,000 followers and I could tell when he would post a TikTok that did well you could literally see my fucking you could see my my subscribers on my YouTube channel just spike for like a week and then the moment it slowed down it started dropping oh direct correlation bro

here's the thing when he stopped for the six weeks we started posting, the new videos we were posting were getting 2,000 views, 3,500 views, you know, 2,200 views for two weeks, two days ago, because we posted for two days ago, the last video, 150,000 views, 160,000 views. So I don't know what happened. I think it's almost like the algorithm says, okay, he's serious again. Right, right. Start pushing. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm saying, if you do do it you know it's you know it's worth it took him after it took about a month before it took off but when it did man come out with it went nuts and everybody is telling me this you got to go with tic-tops leave instagram alone for right now like don't spend so much time on

it because i spend a lot of time on instagram and they just took the reels away the money for reals you can't buy money on my instagram monetized so everybody's saying bro go to ticot it'll boost your youtube so i'm gonna have to go there man um but like how does he edit the content like does he uh put a twist on it does he just do it how your interviews like what does he do yeah he'll try and make like a story take a story and shove it into one minute because we also put them on shorts and instagram but you know what are shorts going to get you know 2500 views 6 000 maybe right you know most of them are 2 or 3 000 instagram if it does really well maybe it gets 50 000 30 000 that's not that's nothing compared to ticot

The reason I took YouTube seriously again, because I was just on Instagram and I was just running to my other page with the interviews. We actually made a couple thousand dollars a month on it with charge to do. I interviewed that page. I interviewed different people who's in the hip-hop industry, but not rappers, though, but like who got the stories. But we made a decent money on that page. But this BMG Capital official page, I had 300 subscribers, 300. in December last year, I posted, first I was watching a podcast and somebody said, hey, you want to grow your YouTube channel, use shorts.

Shorts is the best way to get to a lot of traffic and quick. So the first short I made, I thought I watched that, it went viral. I thought it was regular. Like, I'm like, what? This is this what shorts do? Like, the first shot I made did a half a million views. Wow. 700 shares, 18,000 likes, type 1,000 subscribers from that one short.

Yeah, I don't have nothing like that. I posted another short, but it's not my own content. I just cover the story of these rappers, and I just put the pictures of them from different places, and I put the story together. Like you said, in one minute with a hook, you know, this is Gucci, man. This is what he did. He's going to go do this. And I did that twice and then went viral. And those two clips got my channel from 300 to like 2,800 subscribers of those two clips.

So I know the power of it, especially like TikTok is bigger too. But like right now I'm at like almost 5,000. So I'm trying to get what you are on YouTube. Yeah, but you could you could tell your story. You know, the only problem with the way you tell your story is like, you know, and I kept waiting for you to do this. And I should have slowed you down. Like, I'm a horrible interview, bro.

I'm not a great interviewer. Exactly, Danny with concrete or somebody, they would have done a better job because, you know, I'm kind of like this listening to this story and I need to kind of try and slow you down. Like, I should have, I should have asked you like, like, now I'm thinking I should have said, like, well, how did you know it was a cop's house? How long did you watch it? Weren't you scared? Were you, you know, like I didn't do that. And I really should. I got to get better at this.

But, like, if you slowly told your story in little 30-minute clips and maybe you fill it up, and I mean slowly, like, talk about I hit this house and then this one, and then that's it. That's the whole clip. Spread it out over 20, 30 minutes, post it. You did that for 10 until you get all the way to where you are. Let's say 10 short videos. Then you started just interview other guys, other hip-hop guys and their stories. and just put it doesn't even matter if it's really a shitty video what's most important is

the sound quality because people will watch shitty video with good sound quality but they will not watch great videos great video quality with shitty audio they won't do it so it doesn't matter if your if your cameras messed up and it and it's not high quality and it's cocky it don't that doesn't matter what matters is get decent sound quality and just interview other hip hop guys that are like starting out and post it on YouTube and make little shorts about it and put it on on on TikTok TikTok will drive the the traffic and then once you get to 10,000 followers, you can put a link and then they just hit the link and it brings them straight to your YouTube. Oh, cool. Because trust me, once he put that link on there, and I have a link tree because it'll, you know, you go to link tree and then you can either go to YouTube, you can go to here.

But regardless, once you do that, man, you come telling you right now, you can see it. And every once in a while, you're going to get some clip of some guy that's blowing up and you can use their music. They'll do it because you can say, man, I want to tell the clip with your music in the background. These guys will line up to do that. Yeah, for sure, for sure. You can do it from your house just like this with Stream Yard. That's cool. Yeah, I got to get Stream Yard.

I like Stream Yard. I think it's like 30 bucks it's nothing it's like 20 or 30 bucks a month or something it's okay cool cool totally worth you're on your way to get your plaque man you too gonna send you a plaque soon man you get that 100,000 I'm telling you I'm shadow ban I'm shadow band I think I'm shadow band like everybody says man why is it like it's been two years you should have 100,000 200,000 your videos should get and they're just not I don't know why I mean I don't know but I mean I'm I'm look like like here's the thing. I don't care if it takes another two years. Like, I like doing it. It's just now

at the point where it's paying my bills pretty much, not great. Like, I have to do other stuff, but a few more months, six months from now, it'll pay all my bills. When that happens, I'll double down. And I won't be doing three interviews a week. I'll be doing four and five. And then it'll blow up. There you go. I have time. Like, you know, like, the fact that I'm doing this, And they're paying me money. Yeah. It's ridiculous. Yeah.

You know laying in your bunk in prison, you're like, how am I going to make a living? Right. Right. You know, like how am I even going to get by? So the idea that I'm living in a nice house, I have a new car, I actually have a new house. Like, this house was built a couple years ago. Does your TikTok make money to? Huh?

Does your TikTok make money? I never monetized it because the guy in Canada told me, don't monetize it. He said, you're, it, and look, it could have been his opinion. Well, it might have been his opinion. I don't know. I just said you're monetized that they're going to try to stop it from making money. Like, they're like going to let it get bigger. Like, what did he say?

He said they won't push your content as much or they'll slow it down. I believe that. I believe that could get, look, on YouTube, I make reals. I mean, on Instagram, I make reals. I'm monetized. Some of them I get the 5,000, 10,000 views, and they're just slow down. But I look at this page over here that's not monetized. He's real to go 80,000, 100K, but they're not.

So I really feel like on those, you TikTok, Instagram, if you're monetized, they don't want to pay you that much money. So they're not going to push your shit to just, you know, it's the content that's not monetized that they probably just push. They're what it seems like. It could not be true, but it seems like it makes sense to me. But you could make money out of TikTok, but you can try it. Well, listen, the money is you got enough followers now to do so.

The money on TikTok and the money in comparison to YouTube is there's no way you're going to make the same amount of money. First of all, there's no way that a two or three minute TikTok is going to make as much as a two-hour video on YouTube. You know, it's just it's, but the other, although what I've heard is you can go live, like going live on TikTok is good. People can donate and you can make money doing that. Another thing you could do on your channel, too, that will help you out a lot. And it will probably get you a lot, a lot of views because the name of your channel is cool, true crime. I like all that. You could cover stories of guys that's in prison or out of prison, but they don't have to tell you that story.

You could just, like, cover it and do a voiceover and just have, like, images of the scene and just... I'm talking about it. I've seen those guys that do that. People like stuff like that. Yeah, but, you know, that takes a long time. That's a lot of editing. Like, that's a lot. You do your own editing?

Yeah, well, not for the channel so much. Like, I do my own tick. Not my own TikTok. I do a lot of shorts and TikToks. I can do my own editing. But for the channel, I have a video editor, Colby. Colby does all the editing for the channel. Oh, okay, cool.

I make TikToks and, you know, I make shorts every once or one. and I can edit. But you're right, though, like, if you did a story for an hour, it does or take a lot of editing, but if you did maybe a 15-minute, 20-minute story, but that's really thrilling with the music. I mean, I'll just say, just thinking of some ways you can do some different stuff where you ain't got to always do interviews

so when you don't got time, or just say, like, even if it took him, even if you got to pay 150 bucks to make a 30-minute good story. video it'll probably do a lot of views and it won't throw off your niche right you know what I'm saying well I like doing the interviews yeah what software do you use so much to edit with yeah Adobe okay but on my phone I ain't a lot I like it on my phone better really I do I use final cut pro I just use it on my Mac boat I'm not good on the computer I can edit some stuff on my phone it blow your mind you know i've seen guys use i could put the sound effects and have shit popping

up when i'm talking i'm good i'm good on my phone i use like vlog star uh vlog star and i use i move on i phone i'm really i move is really easy and i use yeah yeah actually i started i started on the macbook with i movie final cup it's very similar yeah my only problem was you could only stack like two on top with iMovie and i'm sometimes i'm stacking two three four uh different uh feeds but i haven't learned how to do the overlays on i movie yeah you got to figure that you got to do that yeah i can do everything right uh all right i mean i i i i we're good are we good yeah we're good i I don't think anybody watch them really wants to hear us talk about our YouTube channel.

Right, right. They might. It's fine. If they've watched this far, they probably are. They're probably okay with it. We're good, man. For sure. I got a bunch of homeboys.

You might get an interview soon. I got a good story coming out, man. It's a rapper. His name is T. Grisley. He's real, real famous. But he came up rapping somebody else's life that went to jail. and they're going to give me the interview from jail and prove to the world

and rappers are rapping their life. It's going to be real cool. It's going to be real cool. Well, look, if you have anybody that's interested, you know, interested in telling their story, like, let me know. Yeah, I'll send it your way. All right, boy.

I got you. Let me wrap this up. Listen, I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you contacting me. So, hey, I appreciate you guys watching the video. And if you like the video, do be a favor. Hit the subscribe button. hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this leave me a comment in the comment section

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