Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - First Amendment Auditor Sues Police for Violating Rights

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

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To succeed in the future of work, forward thinkers use AI to deliver measurable results. Workday is the AI platform for HR and finance that frees you from the mundane so you can focus on more meaningful work. Workday, moving business forever forward. In this state, if an officer asks you for ID, you must provide it. There's no law anywhere that says that. As a matter of fact, you don't have to have a license or an ID in any state. All you need to do is provide your name and date of birth. As citizens, we're required to know the law.

Okay, when we go in front of a judge, ignorance of the law is no excuse. So we have to know the law. Cops are also citizens. As citizens, they should know the law. But when they put on that costume, all of a sudden, they don't need to know the law. They have the guns, the manpower, the prisons, you know, and the prison guards, and they're in control, and they're not playing by your rules. They've got their own set of rules.

You know, anytime there's an arrest, I try to file a lawsuit. One of the lawsuits I'm involved in right now, they had handcuffed me and my buddy, whose name is bad cop, no donut. And you really hate all cops, don't you? You really hate the government. And I said, no, ma'am. I says, I hate bad police. I'm literally probably one of the most hated men in the Southeast United States.

10 minutes later, the sheriff pulls up on the side of the street. We're walking on the sidewalk, detains us literally. No lying, about 15 other cops show up. Sheriff, police, state troopers, all show up, illegally detain us, illegally ID us, and then after 30 minutes end up letting us go. I got two lawsuits that they. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and we have an interview with the owner and operator of the YouTube channel Rogue Nation. He is a First Amendment auditor, and I've watched a bunch of his videos, and I was suggested that I interview him.

He's going to make a great interview. He's got a great story, so check out the interview. So what is a First Amendment auditor? First Amendment auditor is someone that goes out to test the response that our public officials give to people that are looking for accountability. you know we go into places that the public's allowed to be in traditionally like city halls lobbies of police departments lobbies of health departments anywhere the public's allowed to be we're allowed to record and so we just go out there and we test that to make sure that they understand that and uphold that and in a lot of cases they don't understand that you know and

they think they have power that they don't really have so when I tell people what it is I do and and you know when people ask me what's your new story about you know because we're independent journalists they say well what's your new story about it says every single video of mine is the same news story it's overstepping of authority it's all it is right they have some authority yes but when they come and tell you not to do something that you're allowed to do that's when they overstep their authority right and that's that's what I document I document government officials overstepping their authority most people don't realize that the freedom of the press traditionally and the constitutional intent is the right to shame

our public officials and to doing what is noble. And that comes to us from the 1774 letter from the Continental Congress to the inhabitants of Quebec when they were talking to them about the greatness of our rights. And the reason being is because even back then corruption ran rampant, you know, even in the colonies. So they understood that without people to watch over and to publicly shame them into doing what's noble, they realized that they would, they would run unchecked. They're untouchable. And that's what's happened.

You know, Americans got complacent and never checked on their officials. They said, oh, I voted. You know, I'm good for another four years. I'll just go back to my little life and, you know, trying to get mine. And they don't look. They expect the government to watch over the government. And I equate that to the mafia, watching over the mafia. right you know so yeah yeah i was going to say listen the first thing first thing that happens when a

tyrant takes over is he he gets hold of the media immediately absolutely absolutely i mean musilini hitler stalin and as soon as they come in there's no denying that there's only a few people that run the most major media corporations now in the world yeah and they all you know pretty much have that byline and uh and i know people in media and they they all tell me the same thing if oh listen that video with Joe, I mean, I saw Joe Rogan did it, but I've seen the video where it literally has 50 different news organizations all saying the exact same. Have you seen it? Yes. It's like the first time I saw it like the hair on my arms with whoosh.

It's chilling. Yeah. And to sit there and say, and here's what I know is just being in when I was locked up. And I would get, let's say I would say I'm doing a story on you. I would order a bunch of all the, all the news clippings on you. So I get them all. And one of the things I would always end up getting was whatever the U.S. attorneys press release was.

And really, if there were 30 articles on you when you, let's say, got arrested for some crime, it was really the day after the U.S. attorney did a press release. It was really, they were just rewriting the exact same thing that the U.S. attorney. like maybe one outlet might have called your mother or your sister or somebody to get a quote and other than that they were almost identical and it was like so he they're putting out press releases you guys are just regurgitating it you're not calling to anybody you're not checking any facts you're just taking exactly what they say and and rewriting it like it was and i remember thinking this is this is nuts but i didn't even notice that until i started doing the research otherwise i always thought oh well they must be finding these things out themselves making calls no because you're only reading one you're not reading six right you read six or eight of them you start to go you see a pattern this is nuts this is exactly the same thing the press release said so yeah that's um they're just a mouthpiece today now the mainstream media is just a mouthpiece for the governing bodies and and the reason for that is is you know

and again i talk to people in journalism and they tell me you know that if they cast bad light on the city or the police department they're excluded now they're excluded now so it's a hand one hand washes the other so you know we won't give you any uh new stories or we won't give you any you know breaking news if you don't you know do what we want you to do which is you know run your story by us so that way we can see that that we're being cast in in the right light you would think with how easy it is to put out content and how many uh formats there are to put out, you would get better quality and more accurate news now than ever, but you're really getting a more censored version of the news than ever.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's why people have taken to the streets. People, some people realize that. And they say, you know, the only way that I'm going to get, you know, good information about my local area is to go out there myself. Right. And now we're seeing these people at the city hall meetings and, you know, asking questions like First Amendment auditors and stuff like that. All right. Let's go back to the beginning. Like, just like basically, like, how did, well, I guess really, where were you born? Like, were you born in Florida?

I am a Florida native. I was born in Orlando, Florida, Florida, Hospital, Winter Park. And I spent, you know, a couple years here, my mother divorced my father, moved me up to Chicago. And for most of my life, I moved around. I spent about half my life in Chicago, half my life. life in Florida with a couple of years in Seattle, San Francisco, and Phoenix, and Fort Wayne, Indiana. Why? Why don't understand. Why did you move around so much? Well, I wanted to find out where the best place was to live. This is when you were a kid? This was like 18 or 19. Oh, okay. Yeah, like when I was

like 18 or 19 because like I said, I spent a good amount of time up until 13 years old, up in Chicago. Then I moved back down to Florida with my father from 13 to 18. And all my buddies down here said, man, you know, Florida's great, best place to live, I'm not going to live anywhere else. I was like, you never been anywhere else, you know what I mean? And you can't really, you can't really gauge how good of a place is to live by going to visit for a couple of days or vacationing for a week. So, you know, I got out on the bus and, you know, took my money and took my chances and went to a couple different spots to see if, you know, if it was true. And, you know, I love California. I love living out there.

but too expensive, you know, when I was out there was the year 2000, going into 2001, and I was, you know, a young guy, 27, 28, and I realized, you know, I didn't have a girlfriend or family or anything out there at the time. I realized I said, this isn't where I can create a family. Right. You know, I can't afford it. So I moved back to Indiana. I found my, the wife that I have now, and we've been together ever since.

It's been over 20 years now, 21 years. What do you do for a little? living? Well, I traditionally, I'm a server bartender, and I've done that for about 30 years now. I've been with the same company, which I won't reveal because trolls on the internet like to harass, but I've been with the same company coming on 17 years now, and I built such a relationship with them, and they're a top 500 company. They are a big, big restaurant industry. And, you know, I've worked with them so long and so hard, and my boss understands my work ethic that I pretty much make my own schedule now.

So he'll text me and he'll say, can you work? And that's how I work now. As he texts me, are you free this day to work? Because he knows I go all over the country doing this. So, you know, I could be in South Carolina tomorrow or Texas next week, you know, so. Okay. So what happened? so what happened that you got into doing the like is there a story behind yeah you just you just open up

tick talk and say no no that's for me you know years ago about 10 years ago I was surfing the internet and I came across sovereign citizens right and they had this this thing where they said you know oh you're licensed and it's all capital letters and all this other stuff so I told my wife I said you know I said, baby, I said, in six months, I'm throwing away my license and I'm, I'm throwing away my, my tag. I said, and I'm driving down the road. Well, six months came and I realized I'm like, you know, some of these guys, what they're saying, it's not altogether true or it's not getting them the results they want. So I started met a lot of those guys in prison. Yeah, I started reading law myself and, you know, I would pick up law books from their stores or, you know, I downloaded PDF.

Fs online and it helps that since the seventh grade, around the seventh grade, I was reading about 500 to 800 pages a day and I could retain about 70 to 80 percent of it. Now at that time it was, you know, nonfiction. It was, you know, Hardy Boys and the three detectives by Alfred Hitchcock and stuff like that. I was, you know, just in the seventh grade. But as I grew older, you mean fiction? Fiction. You said non-fiction.

Yeah, yeah, sorry. Yeah, fix it. So, but as I got older, you know, it became more nonfiction. So now in my home, you'll find, you know, 300-year-old history books, 200-year-old law books that I collect. And that's what I read because, you know, knowledge is everything. So my progression went like this. I looked into the sovereign citizen stuff. I dismissed it as not being viable.

I looked into some conspiracy theories, and, you know, when I got the knowledge of what was going on in the conspiracy theory realm, I started talking to people, and I got negative reactions. And to me, it seemed like this is, you know, this is suspicious. We should look into it. No one gave a damn. So I was like, all right, I said, maybe I need a different approach. So I started breeding economics, and I got into the whole. usury fiat currency system and and you know how they're manipulating us that way and I said now this I could take this to people and they'll understand that right it's math you can't deny it one plus

one is two right well they still denied it so I'm like what the hell's going on so then I got in the psychology I started reading about Edward Bernays I started reading about group think I started reading about neurolinguistic programming and all that other stuff. And then I realized why people do what they do and think what they think and all that other stuff. And then from there, I said, well, we can only wake people up if we show them that there's a problem. Right now, America doesn't realize there's a problem with policing because they don't see it. So I equated to an alcoholic that doesn't know he's an alcoholic. look, he's not looking to go to AA, right?

He doesn't think there's a problem. And first step is realizing there is a problem. Exactly. And America still needs to realize that there is a problem with our system, right? And a lot of times people aren't going to do that because half the people, their party's in power. So nothing's wrong with the system. Right. You know, and I saw that year after year, election after election, you know, when the Republicans got in

office. Well, then the Democrats would say, oh, well, these guys, you know, it's the Antichrist and, you know, these guys are going to, it's all corrupt and the system's going to fall apart. Well, then four years later, the Democrats would get in power and the Republicans say, well, this guy's the Antichrist, you know, and this guy is, you know, he's going to bring it down and all this other stuff. It just changed sides each and every time. And I told myself, I said, people need to realize that there's a problem with the system. And the only way to do that is to show them that. And I came across the guy by the name of Jeff Gray and another gentleman by the name of Joel Chandler. They're both Florida guys. Jeff Gray's from St. Augustine. I'm

not sure where Joel Chandler's from. But these guys had picked up. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored ice coffee. and delivery cameras and they were going out and they were confronting government they were getting public records and they were asking questions of the government and I said this this is the way forward right well and now you have a platform by this point you have actually have a platform where I guess like in 2000 you don't really have it even if you got that footage like there wasn't really

anywhere to put that footage you couldn't get that out there anywhere in 2000 when was YouTube even started was it 2002 that or a little bit after i think yeah i was going to say and even then it took a while for it to take off where people really started utilizing it i was going to say the one other thing made me think of with the sovereign citizen thing is that i have a i had a buddy well i have a buddy named chris morrano and he could he could quote every single thing about sovereign citizens he could show you the law he could talk about how uh you you you don't you they're the the the the the The law that says you have to pay federal income taxes, it was never ratified, and how this was never this, and this was never this, you could show all of that stuff. And I would say, yeah, but, you know, the problem is that in the end, all of that could be true.

Yeah. In the end, they have, they have the guns, the manpower, the prisons, you know, and the prison guards, and they're in control, and they're not playing by your rules. They've got their own set of rules. I was like, so you can spout all this. And every sovereign citizen I've ever met in federal prison, the whole five years that they did, or three years or two years that they served, they complained and said how they were illegally being sentenced

the entire five years. But you know what they did? They did the whole five years. They got out. They did their probation. So what does it matter? They're not playing by those rules. You can show me the law.

But the judge says no, and the prosecutor says this, and then they tell this guy to lock you up. And you can tell every single person along the way, hey, this isn't right. The law says this. And they're like, yeah, I understand. Get in the cage. Yeah. Handcuff up. Do this.

Take your clothes off. Getting that. You're getting in prison. It's like, what the fuck? You know? It makes no difference if you know the law. If everyone around you doesn't know the law. Right.

You know what I mean? Like I tell people with the right to travel. Do we have a right to travel? Absolutely. we have a right to travel. Do we have a right to drive an automobile without a license? Absolutely. You do. Not a motor vehicle, which is what all vehicles are now. Right. But an automobile, you absolutely do. We do have that right. However, every time you drive down the road, you will get pulled over. The officer won't realize that you have the right. You will get arrested. Your car will be impounded and you will go to court. Right. You can do that until your heart's content and it's never going to change. So what is more for? Is it more free to spend all your time in court, bonding out your car and bonding out yourself?

Or is it just go get a license and drive wherever you want? Right. You know, so they hold all the cards. And American is brainwashed pretty thoroughly. You know, we get that 12 years of state education where they beat into our heads, how great the Constitution is, and how we should obey authority. How you should be an employee. You should go work at Walmart. That's right.

you know what's funny is they never say you need to work hard create a job right it's never that you need to get a job not create a job yeah it's funny like they don't teach you even really even how to balance a checkbook how to open a bank out how to how to how credit cards work how to pay credit cards how credit works like all the things that really would help you be super successful in a financial way they don't really teach you that they teach you how to follow directions fill that on application, go get your job at Walmart, stock the shelves, listen to your boss, be a good, you know, get your two weeks pay for a vacation, be a good employee, hold, get a buy a house, pay it off by the time you get your social security benefits and live within your

means. That's it. That's it. That's the perfect lower middle class because the middle class is almost non-existent in the United States. So that's your perfect lower middle class existence right there. Right. That's what high school prepares you for. Right.

this point. And that's what school was set up to specifically do. Woodrow Wilson had a speech in 1908 to the New York Teachers Association. And in that speech, he said, in the time that we have, we can only do certain things. So by necessity, we can only educate a small percentage of the population. And then by necessity, a larger portion of the population has to be educated just enough to do menial tasks of labor to help society. That's what they set up the public school system for. Now, when you look at it, they pull it off.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, they had no opposition because nobody understood, nobody cared. And again, you know, people have always been focused on my life. How do I make my life better, right? So I'll vote every four years, depending on what I believe,

Republican or Democrat. But then after, that boating's done, I'm going to go back to my own little world. I'm going to worry about my job, about my, you know, taking the kids to soccer practice. And, you know, freedom sometimes can be a hindrance, right? When you have 536 channels of TV to choose from, that freedom can can be detrimental to you. Right. Because now you're wasting time. You're not doing anything productive. You're not learning law or psychology or currency. I'm a big proponent of every human needs more than a passing understanding of the three

things that every human being on the planet uses every day of their life. The law, their mind, and their money. If in school, if that was all they taught, you would have the most educated society ever known to the world. if they taught those three things. Because once you learn how to use your mind, you can teach yourself. Right. Once you know how to learn your money, you'll never be defrauded, you know. And once you learn the law, you know the rules that you have to abide by.

You know, like we were talking earlier, I don't get scared when a cop approaches me. Not at all. 20 years ago, I'd shaking my boots. Right. Because I didn't know the law. I didn't know the limits of their authority. I didn't know what they could do. I didn't know what I could do.

But once I started learning the law, everything became clear. I said, you know what? You can't do that. I'm not scared of you. You know what I mean? You can't force me to do this or force me to do that. Right. So, well, sorry, I got you off track.

You were talking about the two guys that were taking cameras and... Joel Chandler and Jeff Gray. Yeah. And those guys, Jeff Gray is probably one of the original starters of the movement. He joined a group called PNAC, which, stood for photography as not a crime and that was started by carlos miller out of miami and uh basically they would go around they would do audits but they would also do public record requests and uh they had a lot of case law made here in florida joll channeler specifically about uh getting

public records um and and it intrigued me because i you know whenever i went to the government to ask questions they just ignore me like they do most citizens you know uh but these guys were getting results and and I said that that's what I need to do I need to pick up a camera I need to go out there I need to start questioning these guys but I need to know the law behind it as well now one of the things they got me and Jeff Gray specifically started doing this kind of activity is the dozer school for boys have you ever heard of it was just the one where they were killing all those kids 80 to 90 kids were murdered and raped and and no one was ever prosecuted for the crime and they were just finding like these the the bop the like what 50 80 years

later how how what when was this uh supposedly the the murdering and raping went on from the 40s to the 60s and they didn't start fighting the bodies until 2000 2012 the boys school and boy school boy boys prison prison and in mariani mariana florida um i want to say it's in Jackson County, but it's up in the panhandle, but the city's called Mariana. So, I mean, think about how, think about it, your, your kid's in trouble, he gets in trouble, he's sent there for whatever a year, a year later when their parents think, hey, he should be getting out, you know, where is he? They said, oh, we released him. He didn't come home? Well, he's a runaway. Like, yeah, what, you know, he was a bad kid

anyway. He was sent to prison. So nobody really looks for him. They think, oh, he ran away. He was a problem. But really, they've been molesting the kid in, in prison. They beat them to death or killed them. They just buried the body. You're the prison officials. Right. Of course, because who else could have been? Right.

Right. So my issue was the fact that, because I've been in facilities, right? And I know they do roll call every night. You know, you're sitting on your bunk. You're calling out your name. Right. You're white Caucasian, 77, 25, 66, D.O.C. So my thing was is how did kids just disappear?

This is a secure facility. Right. I mean, it's secure. Fences, barbed wire, everything. they didn't just run away right so so it's okay so like uh you know you tell your boss the warden of the prison i can't find this kid okay maybe he did run away maybe it's an accident 40 kids later right you know you're like so it wasn't just the guy that was beating and murdering the kid right it was a supervisor it was a supervisor supervisor right and who checked on these kids multiple people

have to know like anybody who's been into a facility knows that one cop can't lie and have someone disappear multiple people have to be involved in that records have to be covered up records have to be created yep you know oh no he got to a point we we signed him every day every roll call for six more months then he got released we have to show his release papers we have to show they signed the release papers they was released with his stuff someone picked him up like all that has to be documented for him to be let go for you to cover that up and that can't be done by one guy exactly and then um the the state prison is overseen by other state employees, right?

They inspector general office, I believe, is who does the overseeing of the prisons and stuff here in Florida. So somebody in that office would have to be complying as well, right? Because they come to check on the prison. God, man, you got 40 kids missing here. You know? So, um, it, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, it's a corrupt system right from the get go. You know, maybe they were doing some Jeffrey Epstein type stuff, you know, maybe

high rollers from Tallahassee were rolling in for a little fun with the boys you know there there's no telling what was going on there you're saying that that made you realize like what were you doing public records requests or you just asked when the articles came out and you started realizing wow well that made me realize that the state needs help the state needs help watching its employees because obviously it can't do the job itself right right um you know just like if i was to you know let's say you ran a boy's home and you lost 40 kids you know you're not the state you're just a private contract or something but i would still look at that and say Matt needs help right he lost 40 kids last year he doesn't know where they went he obviously needs help watching these

kids so i'm going to come out and i'm going to stand outside matt's facility and i'm going to watch and maybe i'll see a couple of kids hop in the fence and running away and you know maybe it will help track him down or something like that but the whole thing was is the fact that uh the state like I said like the mafia is is ill-equipped to watch over itself right that that was the takeaway I got from that um so at what point did you decide you know I'm going to start I'm going to start doing this I mean I'm not saying you're saying that it was it was 2018 and um you know my my wife she's not I'm going to say involved most most ladies are not is involved with rights, civil rights, and protecting our rights and stuff like that as men are.

And you could tell that just from the viewership I get on my channel, which is about 90% male, 10% female. So she was weary, obviously. Women are mostly non-confrontational. And you have to realize, hey, every time I go out, there's a damn good chance there's going to be a confrontation. And with someone in authority. Exactly. Is really fucking, you know, bulsy because. And she's got high anxiety, so it really eats at her because every time I go out, she's just sitting at home on end thinking, is he going to get arrested?

Is he going to get beat? Is he going to get shot? Right. You know, so I waited until she and our daughters went on vacation up north. And I had a couple of weeks, and I picked up a camera. I said, let me try this out and let me see how it goes. And I did it for a couple weeks while they were gone. And I got a good response.

I did it. to say what typically happens what typically happens is that um you know you walk in and uh you know regardless of what you're doing i try to walk in and stay quiet i walk around anywhere post office city hall my first my first audit was ocala city hall and i walked in and um you know they they tried to tell me i wasn't allowed to be there and and that sort of thing but you know i was they they gave me an escort around the facility after they told me that I wasn't allowed to be there. And I stood my ground. And, you know, the guy from upstairs came down and was like, yeah, you know, whatever.

So they followed me around or whatever. But, you know, I try to go in. I try to be as quiet as possible. I'll look at stuff. And then when people come to me, that's when the confrontation begins. And usually people come up to me and they'll say, hey, you're not allowed to be in here filming. And, you know, a lot of people enjoy my work because I'm pretty easy going. And I'm like, no, no, I'm fine.

You're okay. Right. It'll be all right. You're okay. And they'll, you know, they'll look at me. No, no, no, really? You're not allowed to be in here. I'm like, no, no, no, it's cool.

It's cool. It'll be all right. You know? And it just pisses them off more, you know, because I'm so nonchalant about it, right? I'm not like, oh, no, it's okay. And you don't have permission. I'm like, oh, I don't need permission. It's okay.

You know? And so it gets them kind of riled up. But, you know, when my wife came back after vacation. Do they typically call the cops or do sometimes they just meander off? You know, traditionally, I say about 40 to 50 percent of the facilities that I visit are what is called a pass, which they either leave me alone or they don't try to restrict my rights or they don't call the police. So, and I post some of those up online too because I want to show. the contrast. As a matter of fact, I was in Biloxi, Mississippi, last year sometime, and I did their city hall. And they did such a great job. I ended up on the front page of the local

newspaper out there, you know, for the audit. And they loved it. And, you know, I tell people, the only difference is the people's reaction to my camera. Because I do the same audit wherever I go. Right. Walk in, view the facility. And it's just how people react to. it that makes the video either a pass or fail and um i get a good percentage of passes now when i started down here in florida almost every place i went was a was an issue um what year was this this was 2018 late late 2018 2019 is really when i started picking up um so yeah for most of the time i go out there was an issue now when i go out i kid you not i give you an example i was a friend of Osceola County Jail one time.

I'm standing out there recording. Cop rolls up, rolls down his window. How you doing, George? Do you have enough sunscreen on? What? Right. I'm like, okay, these guys, they know. Yeah.

They know now. And, you know, I go back, I do revisits. Now, when I started a lot of auditors, I'd say most auditors would never do revisits. Right? And to me, I said, to myself, I said, if I don't go back to these places, I don't know if they've learned anything. So in this community, I'm the king of revisits. I probably got more revisits than every other auditor combined, you know, because I just, I want to keep hitting them. You know, to me, it's always been like a puppy type thing where you want to rub their nose in the law so that they understand it.

Right. And the only way to do that is to keep going back and going back. and and and sometimes you know like a Marion County courthouse first two times I went there got kicked out you know got called sovereign citizen got kicked out the third time I went there cop walks into the part of the building where I'm at he sees me I'm recording he goes oh you're just doing an audit I'm like yeah okay turns around and walks out I never had to file a complaint right never had to file a lawsuit the issue is that people don't know the law right and they have these myths you know oh you you can't take my picture you need permission you know blah blah blah and right and so when they see me they think these things and then i tell them no no no right and then i leave and then they go home at night and they're talking to their wife or they're talking to their husband or they're talking to a friend over a cup of coffee this guy came into my office the other day he's recording you know and their buddy goes oh yeah

that that's legal you know or maybe they're talking to a lawyer or a cop buddy oh yeah you know that's legal and then education starts happening people don't want information from me right right that's why they call the cops because the cops when they do come there and they know the law they tell them the exact same thing I do yeah but but people don't want to take my word for it right they need somebody in authority again that's that school system coming in right so so real quick what happened you said the first time you did it and then your wife came back the my wife came back and and she was weary about me doing it so I you hadn't had any problems I hadn't had any issues up into that point.

So I stopped while when she came back, I stopped for like, no, no. Did you tell her what you did? Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I told her what I was doing. What did she say? She knew when you left you were going to do this? Yeah, she knew when she left. I was going to do that.

And when she got back, we talked about it. And again, she's weary. You know, she's like, I don't want to, you know, spend my life with a guy that's in and out of jail and, you know, all this other stuff. And she's got a great point. You know, I'm almost 50 years old. I don't feel like I should be in and out of jail either. But I told her, I said, this needs to be done. I said, this is really important to me, you know.

And she's finally like, okay, you know, go ahead. And so she allowed me, you know, to continue what I was doing. And then from that point on, I just went balls to the wall. In four years, I put out more content than every other auditor you can think about. there. Like I consistently was putting out an audit a day, you know, three, 400 audits a year where like Jeff Gray, who's been doing it six years longer than me, doesn't have half the audits that I do. So I'm a real hardcore work ethic kind of guy. I started 8 a.m. when the government buildings open and I don't stop till 5. Sometimes I miss lunch. Sometimes I don't even

eat dinner because after 5 I hit all the places that aren't closed, prisons, airports, county jails, you know there's there's always places that that aren't specifically closed at five juvenile facilities um i'll roll by so i'm real hardcore and as far as the work out that goes and um you know the first i had a couple of arrests i've had four total uh three of them were dismissed this last one was not what happened with the with the first time you got arrested what was the first time i was arrested was in front of the orange county jail uh 33rd street and it was right where they release the inmates out of you know so if you're you're getting released this is would be where you're getting out of yeah little section i didn't even go inside i stood outside

um i was filming inside the facility and the sergeant had come out and you know hey what what are you doing you got id and i was like id i'm like no i don't i don't have any ID you know i'm not giving you ID. And he says, well, you know, you're out here. You're recording the jail. I said, well, is that illegal? And he said, well, hold on. Then he goes back inside. I'm not sure. Right. He goes back inside. And while he's back inside, we walk around a little bit more. And then we walk back to, to where he is. And he called a couple of buddies. And his, his buddy, Portico, I think his name was, comes up and he asks my buddy now the guy that i was with this was his first time out at all okay like totally his first time out at all and uh and he he's talking to the cop and the cop says

well you know you give you know you're being trespassed and so i need your ID which is not correct right okay um and uh you know first of all is it a cop or is it it's a it's a sheriff's deputy Sheriff's deputy. Yeah. So he, you know, he told him, he goes, I need ID. And, you know, my buddy goes, what crime do I commit? He goes, well, listen, I need your ID for the trespass. You'd be in trespass, which you don't need in in Florida here. And he wouldn't give it to him. So he arrested him. And then they turned to me and they said, well, are you giving an ID? And I said, no, I'm not giving an ID. And they arrested me. And they put us both in. We spent the night in and we got bonded out the next day. And a couple, I think it was like a week later the charges ended up getting dropped he had hired a lawyer and she had filed a motion of discovery who hired your buddy yeah yeah his name was charles and and he hired a lawyer and she submitted a motion for discovery um to see this evidence of wrongdoing and they ended up dropping the charges um and that what that took about a week to do um then my next arrest was at the uh I have a question. Do you file a complaint after that or do you file a lawsuit?

We filed a lawsuit after that. And there was actually two lawsuits filed on that instance. And when I was outside being arrested, there was a sergeant from inside the facility that was outside watching it happen. And he knew I hadn't given ID. So after they arrested me, they transported me in there. And we're inside. the processing facility and they give me the blues which were actually I think orange you know but the uniform they give you and then okay go ahead and go in the room and change I changed and I came back out and the sergeant who knew that I hadn't given ID he says what's your name I said well you can call me good citizen well he immediately came over handcuffed me again jerked my arms up behind my back and then walked me into a cell and in that cell I sat for I think

13 hours before I was allowed to make my phone call or even get processed out and then, you know, so we filed two lawsuits one on the arrest and then one on the

injury to my arm for when he jacked me up inside the facility. So yeah, we definitely, you know, anytime there's an arrest, I try to file a lawsuit if there's any way.

So what happens with those lawsuits? Like do you take them all the way through? Do they come and they... Usually they settle. Okay. Most times they settle. We haven't had to take one to trial yet. Right.

But they're settling for a penance. Yeah, very little money. But it's still enough for them to realize we were, we made a mistake. Right. This is the result of that mistake. If not, we can't just arrest someone, hold them for a fucking week, let them go, drop the charge, and move on. No, now he's going to cause us some problems.

There's going to be a lawsuit. We're going to have to pay out some money. We're going to have to file paper. So now he's costing us because that's really when you hit them in their pocketbooks. That's really when they go, okay, look, what are you doing? Now a lot of people are involved. Yep. You know, now the state attorney or the county attorney has to hear about it.

Now it's like, well, why did you do that? Why am I now feeling? Why am I now addressing a motion in a lawsuit and multiple motions when all you guys had to do was say, okay, cool. Right. And walk away. Like, he didn't break the law.

We have dropped the charges. Now we're being sued. And what's really interesting about that Orange County arrest is, if you remember the Casey Anthony trial. Right. Yeah. When she was released, that's the exact same place that she was released where all the paparazzi were.

They didn't arrest any of those guys? No. And you could tell. Maybe they all provided ID. That's what it is. It's possibly. They all had a little eliminated ID. Yeah.

little press pass. So I made a great press pass in my first couple of years. What I did was is I go to these public places and I take the pamphlets that they put in the lobbies. Right. And I cut them out to make them say what I'd want. And then I put it all into like a little press pass. I laminated it. And then I was so happy about it. So anytime they asked me for my press pass, I'd hand it to him. I said, look, I said, you want to get a copy of that. Right. I said, that's the only press pass like that ever. I said that, that is the only press pass approved and paid for by we the people. And, yeah, they didn't like that. What was the one guy?

One guy says he's, he has a press pass or a pass that he gives them an ID. One guy's got an ID that he gives them. I forget what it says, though. It says something. Well, Jeff Gray invented. He's such an innovator, but he started when they asked for ID. He goes, oh, yeah, I got it in my pocket. me fish it out and then he'd pull out the i and the d the little kids magnets right he goes there's

my eye and there's my d and you know he'd get a chuckle out of them sometimes or whatever but sometimes they wouldn't like it but yeah i always thought it was hilarious you know but uh it's just more misconception what did your wife say when you got arrested the first time my wife was off the chain the first time i got arrested that with you well yeah and i'll tell you the reason why i didn't even tell her I was going out that day the audit right I didn't tell her where I was she was calling like hospitals and jails all around Florida looking for me you know so that was my bad that was my mistake mountain climbing it's like it's like rock climbing you have to tell someone where you're going exactly you can't switch it at the last minute is this is where I'll be this is

where to start start the uh with they're going to look for me this is where to start yep yep so now we've got that all squared away she's a she's got a tracking app on my phone she can she can erase my phone remotely so so so now she knows now she can call hillsborough county sheriff's department oh no he's there yeah oh yeah he's there absolutely in process yet he's there exactly but i but now i text her i mean at every stop you know i text her i say listen baby i'm you know she already knows what county i'm in i said i'm going in to do my audit i'll text you when i get out so it's a group activity see this is this is like it's like date night it is it is it is i feel like she doesn't think that but really it's a bonding experience she just doesn't she doesn't see it like that right but again

because most women don't care about civil rights and aspects and like that and i try to tell her how important it is for our kids you know especially in today's age like if my daughter's you know running around doing them musically or i guess it's tic-tok now it's not long musically or whatever but doing a TikTok or something. I don't want her getting harassed by cops or something because she's walking down the road filming, which I actually saw a video of a kid that was walking down the road filming a TikTok and the police arrested him because he would because the kid knew his rights too, which is surprising. He was 17 years old. But the kid knew his rights. I'm not giving you no ID because I didn't do anything wrong. Well, the lady over here thinks you're recording her

house. Doesn't matter what she thinks. Right. It's irrelevant. They put him in the car. They drove him to his dad's house the cops went out to talk to his dad you know what his dad did picked out his phone started recording pissed those cops off dude they were like my father like son blah blah blah and then they drove off with the kid you know and he had to go get him or whatever but it's like what do you expect right you know so so so then what happened with the second the second one the second arrest was at the uh tampa porta tampa where they do the carnival cruise ships yeah okay Okay, so as you go up to the terminal, you know, they have the building or whatever. It's kind of like open air.

There's stairs and then you go upstairs and then you go through this light line and then you go into like into the building with the doors. And the inside is where the TSA checks your bags and everything before you get on the cruise. Now the upstairs is open to anybody. There's no ticket counter below. There's no gate. There's no, you know, ticket owner. only signage or whatever so we had went up there and it was me and my buddy and uh and they didn't like it oh you can't record here i mean they were really bludgeon they weren't really

wanted to arrest us and um this is just the employees no this was uh the hills borough county sheriff reserve they were reserved deputies guys that were volunteers they i guess they're like retired or semi retired okay you know they're too old to be out there on the street I guess type of deal right and so they stick them in and these kind of positions column reserve deputies and and they were like oh yeah you know you can't be here you know we're gonna get rest you rest you know blah blah blah and I wasn't ready to get arrested that day so I said you know what I said I'm gonna leave I'm gonna go ahead and leave and I'll come back and so I left and about a week later I call up my

lawyer I told him I said Vince I'm gonna get arrested buddy and he says okay just tell me when and where and I'll have some witnesses there for you perfect nice so we go back home and we pull every kind of document you can imagine we pulled the contract with carnival in the port of Tampa we pulled all the operational documents for the port of Tampa we pulled federal law as far as it was concerned because a port is a federal entryway you know so there's federal law that governs the ports so we pulled all of that right and we printed it out a head and It was public. It was public. And I had it all ready. I had it in my back pocket. And I told him, I said, we're going back this day. And so we went back. And it was me and my buddy, Dr. Sean Barry. Dr. Sean Barry, I believe at the time was in his mid-50s. He'd never been arrested in his life. The man holds three PhDs. Right. So we go up there. And one of the same guys is there. And he comes in me, goes, no, you guys can't be up here. I said, no, listen. I said, I have. I said, I have. everything right here in my pocket. I said, we're totally allowed to be here. I didn't realize

it at the time, but my lawyer was sitting like 20 feet away with like three other lawyers watching this whole thing go down. And he goes, well, you're not allowed to be. I said, listen, I says, I'm going to stay here. I said, if you guys have to arrest me, I said, that's fine. You know what I mean? The cop actually, the deputy said it was the nicest arrest he's ever he's ever had. You know, so, you know, we told him, I said, we're not leaving. You know, this is it. This is what it is. So they arrested us. And I finally realized my lawyer was there because as I was being arrested, I hear, George, it's okay. We're going to bond you out. And I look around. There's my lawyer. I'm like, yes. So we go, Hillsborough. We get bonded out a couple hours, me and Doc. And my lawyer,

he handles both of our criminal cases and he handles the civil case. Now, we're on an NDA, non-disclosure agreement for the civil case as far as that goes. So I can't say if we want to lost or whatever um but the outcome was was satisfactory to me so um but it just uh it just uh you know it amazed me my lawyer uh a funny story he contacted me i didn't contact him right i was doing a live stream one day out in front of uh the oriental road jail which is in tampa they've got two jails orient orient road yeah orient orient so i was out there i was doing a livestream. I was like, I need to get down to Punta Gorda because they're a hotbed of tyranny down in Punta Gorda. I said, I need to get down there. I said, but I need about

$700 to get down there. This guy pops up in chat. He goes, give me a call. He goes, I'll pay for the whole thing. I'm like, wow, who is this guy? So I, you know, get in touch with him. He's a lawyer. He says, I'm going to give you $750. All I want from you is to advertise my law firm underneath your videos. He goes, awesome. And I'm handle any criminal cases that come to you in Florida because he's a Florida lawyer I was like mine that's a that's a great deal and that we've had a working relationship now for the last three or four years now he's retired but any legal questions I have he's I got his text I got his phone number his email he's

always responsive to me and and and he loves what I do you know he he's got issues with cops himself you know right and so he he understands it but yeah he he totally reached out to me and, you know, offered me helping advice. So I was pretty thankful for that. You know, that really helped me out early on. You know, how long on the second one did you sit in jail? It was like four or five hours. It wasn't long at all, you know, because like I said, he's a lawyer.

He's got the bond money. He's right there. Plus it helped that he knew the DA that was charging me. So that kind of helped it speed along. But they took forever to dismiss those charges. It was literally like a year before they dismissed those charges. Did you ever revisit them? No, no.

Other people had revisited them. So when I started auditing, there were like three or four people in the state of Florida that were auditing. Now there's probably about 50 people that do audits in Florida now. So what happened was is after time, after I'd done pretty much all of Florida. I got my camera here, or my thing here, you guys might want to take a shot of this to put on your video, but I'm going to show you this is a map of everywhere I've been since, just since COVID started. I put little dots on the map. Is that an iPhone?

Huh? Is that an iPhone? No, this is a Motorola. I was going to say you could air-drop it. So. Or you could screenshot it and send it to me. Yeah. so what happens is once i you know got through florida pretty much and they were complying for the

most part i said now it's time for me to to branch out so that is even all over that's everywhere i've been and and as you get as you get closer here you can see oh yeah there's way more oh yeah yeah you know what i mean like it's just yeah each one of these little flags that he has when you get closer it becomes four, five, six, seven different flags. So it's not just like, no, there's hundreds. Yeah. Yeah, that's just Florida. Yeah, just send it.

You can screenshot that. Yeah, screenshot a couple different spots and send it to me. Like the whole thing and then a couple different ones. Yeah, absolutely. Like this won't come out for a while. Yeah. So. I was going to say, ask a question real quick.

What are you doing with the camera? Like, are you just, you just have like a gimbal that you're holding? Or are you just holding your camera? Or do you have it actually on a, on a, on a, body. I have multiple cameras. When I started, I started with a $200 camera from Walmart, one of those handheld Sony's, you know, the flip open thing. Then I, you know, because you're shaky, especially when you're new and you're, you know, surrounded by five cops. It's an adrenaline dump. Yeah, of course. So I got a, what it's called a C stabilizer. It's like a C, it looks like

a C and then the camera goes on the bottom and then on the top so after I had that I bought a 360 camera and I put that on top and and now my rig it's changed over the years I bought a $1,500 Sony camera and that was confiscated within three months by Paulding County when they arrested me it's been over two years I still haven't got that camera back and so now I'm using the LG wing phone. I use that. I use a 360 camera. I use a body camera as well,

one that goes on. I do have a GoPro. The problem I found with GoPro is that they overheat. There's only about an hour time of recording. Right. And also. If you've got three different ones going. Right, right.

So it doesn't matter. And then one other issue I had, which I didn't realize until I was in the middle of an audit was my i my uh my uh go pro seven is voice activated so once it's powered on i can say go pro start recording right go pro stop recording well one day i'm in the middle of an audit and this lady says you need to stop recording beep beep there goes my it goes my go pro i'm like you're out you know i can't use you no more so i stopped using that and um one of my subscribers bought me a um i think the name of the thing is Bob Love and it's a it's a great body cam it goes about eight hours has about

eight hours recording time and um it's never failed me it's not voice activated i turn it on when I'm ready and I turn it off when I'm ready and that's it's worked wonders for me the body cam even the GoPro when I did use it save my ass right yeah because one time in Dothan one of the lawsuits I'm involved in right now they had um they had had handcuffed me and my buddy whose name is bad cop no donut and uh they handcuffed us and they made us sit down they took my recording equipment but i still had my GoPro on so i was like go pro start recording and we sat there for about an hour the gopro caught it all and it's instrumental in and um my case right now right because they illegally searched us and and you know

such like that but um yeah i mean i i advocate for as many cameras as possible I mean, you know what I was going to say was that it's funny, you know, you say that, you know, I'm auditing the, you know, I'm doing a First Amendment audit that I'm auditing them. And so I think that there's like a misconception on a lot of things that are out there, for example. Like if you want to be licensed by the state, right? So I want to be licensed by the state to, let's say to do mortgages. Like, right? So I want to be a licensed mortgage broker. I want to be a licensed brokerage business or a bank or a credit union. Like those are all things that the state licenses E4. Right. But there's all types of organizations out there that are private organizations that certify you and license you for things that the state and federal, you know,

the county state and federal governments don't cover, right? Because they just can't cover everything. Right. So, for instance, I do keynote speaking. and some of these organizations that I do keynote speaking for, like the Association of Certified Financial Examiners, they offer certifications. Like, this isn't a government body.

This is a company that was created that said, look, we need to come up with curriculum and certifications for people, for there to be a standard, you know, for financial examiners. And it's the same thing, you have the same type of organizations that do those same types of things for, for, what do they call it, for penetration specialist, right? For hackers. Right. You have the same. So there's lots of these different types of organizations that govern a specific organization or industry that are completely unrelated.

And yet the government will go to them and say, you know, hey, Who do you have that can help us do this? Or, hey, we'd like to send some of our FBI agents to your local organization and have them go through your course and get certified. So now you're an FBI agent asking, you're the, you're the Federal Bureau of Investigation asking for this public or this private company to certify your FBI agents to do, you know, certified audits of you know books or you know companies or whatever and those aren't so to me you know some of these organizations and some of them might come and they might never go anywhere

and some of them been around for 20 30 years and they end up working with the government so to me the fact that you're saying oh well I'm doing an audit like but it's just like like you're saying like who else is going to audit them the government's going to audit the government you can't you know what I'm saying you can't trust that right you can't read you cannot proofread your own work right you know i know as a writer if i read if i write five paragraphs and then i read it to try and proofread it i'm not going to catch my own mistakes i'm the one that made the mistakes right so i mean i think that you ought to think about kind of doing like a whole like certification like actually certifying people to do this you know

we've thought about in the community trying to get some kind of uh standards right you know to where we could weed out some of the guys that are knuckleheads right but and and i don't want to say unfortunate because it's not unfortunate but we're all under the uh independent journalists like label right and there is no certification you know it's it's hard because this isn't you know like a thing that we can do this is a right you know and no one should be able to tell someone else how to express their right you know It'd be like free speech advocates telling Westboro Baptist Church how they should perform their protests, right? Nobody likes Westboro Baptist Church, right?

Their protests or whatever against soldiers and what have you. Not most Americans don't agree with them. But we all agree that they have the right. They have the right. And we need to fight to make sure they have that right and keep that right. Even though if what they say is totally disgusting to us, we still need to understand they have that right. And it's the same thing with the independent journalist. It's like, I don't like how these guys are out there, you know.

You know, some guys are out there like literally watching people at restaurants, outdoor cafes, you know. Right. And I don't care for that. And it's totally detrimental to my movement. Yeah. But in the sense, he's not doing anything wrong. Right. You know what I mean?

So even though I'd like to be like, hey, you know, we don't like that and you shouldn't do that. At the end of the day, he's going to do it anyway regardless. There's nothing we can do to stop him. and that's his right to do that. So I was going to say, you know who does that? Who does the certification thing? What was the woman, I forget her name, that does the crime clean up? Remember that?

Yeah, we look at her every, but I'm clear you. Yeah, I keep going back. I don't know if I've gone back to her a few times. She actually, she started a whole crime clean, like, you know, after people commit suicide or die, like the families are like, okay, well, I've got a dead body and there's all kinds of stuff left over after my grandfather committed suicide. Like, who's going to clean this? up like i don't want to do it you shouldn't have to do it you know and they're like is there somebody i can

contact and so she started a company that started doing that and then she started branching out and then she started like certifying people like you have to go through a whole course just to do this in order for me to to buy like a she's doing um what is it when you brand when you do um franchising yeah but she makes them yeah laura spolting but she makes you get certified and the whole thing um but it's also kind of like a business opportunity thing for her too so but yeah i i i get that i it always killed me when they're when the cops say you know what do you have your uh press credentials like what press like well you what you who are you who would who would license me as a press press press but that that's one of my favorite comebacks is when they say well do you have press credentials who issues that yeah who

issues that if you could tell me who issues that i'll provide them right and they're like oh and then i go the press hasn't been licensed since 1662 in england under the law licensing act right they've never been licensed in America I said there's not one federal or state law that licensed journalists right so because it gives you the ability to limit the license exactly now you know oh that's that asshole so-and-so we don't like him don't license them like exactly exactly like getting a license to vote right or license for free speech yeah you have to take a test you have to take a test yeah wait a minute now yeah my one of my buddies he he uses that he goes I'll show

you my license for the free press when you show me your license to practice free religion right so and you know they'd always miss them you know what was the what was the next time you got arrested the third there was the third and i know the the the third time was uh out in um yeah what's the name of that town it's right bill my by mobile i can't remember the name of the town now it's a little small town birmingham no no no it's it's by mobile hold on i'll be able to tell you right away And what's funny is, you get a little flag. I do because, yeah, because I visited it.

But Pritchard, Pritchard, Alabama. Pritchard, Alabama. And it places a hell hole. It literally, people around Mobile, Alabama, when you ask where do I not want to go, Pritchard Alabama is where you don't want to go. And so you said that's well, then that's what we'll start. That's always the way I am. When people call me up and they say, hey, man,

these people are tyrants, you won't, you won't get out of there without getting arrested. I'm like, where's this again? How long is it going to take me to get there? That's where I want to be, right? Because it's the same thing of like, when people are like, well, you know, the cops never mess with me. Well, yeah, the cops never mess with people that comply with their unlawful orders. That's a given. I always comply.

Yeah. I'm very polite. When they say ID, but you know, I was telling my, I told this to my wife the other day, I said, It kills me when these guys will give them their ID. I say, because I'll give my ID to anybody. And I said, and I go, it's not just the police. I said, do you understand if we were walking on the mall and someone just walked up to me and said, hey, bro, excuse me.

Do you have ID? Can I see your ID? I'd be like, yeah, what's up? I'd be like, yeah, why? What's going on? Okay. And even walked off, I'd be like, hey, wait a second. But I just instinctively would probably do it.

Not even thinking he's demanding it just because I'm very, you know, you know, happy going. Yeah, I'm just kind of a goof. I'm not thinking you're trying, you know, first of all, you can't, Ronald, I don't know what you can do with my ID anyway, but, and I've still people's identity. So, you know, I'm pretty, I probably get the, I can get the information online without ever talking to you. Right. So, but I just naturally am a compliant person that's, you know, you know, pretty, you know, just go along with whatever. I wouldn't be thinking anything really.

So when the cops ask, I'm always like, sure. no problem most people are right but i also don't feel like like we said you know i also don't feel i have anything to hide and i'm not thinking they're demanding it i think if i was in another situation it bothers me it's it's funny because it so if you ask me to do something i have no problem doing it's when people start demanding that's when i get all right well you know had you asked me nicely, that's one thing. I'd give anybody that they asked me nicely. Somebody walks in me, yo, bro, let me see your ID.

Then it would be like, the fuck are you, bro. But if you'd walked up and said, hey, man, can I see your ID? Do you have an ID? What's your name? Oh, my name is Matt. Well, my name's Joe. What's up? Hey, can I see your idea?

Sure. Like, I would probably be pulling my wallet out before I even said, well, why? What is this about? You still probably have my ID before you even told me what it was about. But if you walked up and you were a prick, I don't think I'd give you my ID. Well, and what you just said there is important because what happened and what has happened is that because Americans have nothing to hide, most Americans, and they feel like, you know, I should obey authority. When the police come up and they ask them for ID, they're, oh, yeah, let me give me that ID. You know, they're in a rush to prove that they, that nothing's wrong, that they didn't do anything wrong, you know, and everything's fine.

And what has happened over time is because there's been no resistance there, then the police get it in their mind, oh, I can ask anybody for ID. Right. I mean, if you watch 10 of my videos and nine of them, cops are telling you, like straight up telling you, and this state, if an officer asks you for ID, you must provide it. Right. And I'm like, what? There's no law anywhere that says that.

As a matter of fact, you don't have to have a license or an ID in any state. all you need to do is provide your name and date of birth you don't have to have a license right unless you're driving a motor vehicle right you know so so so well so you went to i want to pritchard alabama and outside of pritchard or in pritchard there's a it's a work release facility and i was standing on the easement the public right away and right next to the road and i'm recording this is the third one it's the third arrest okay lady comes out and uh you know she's oh you can't record here you know who's with you by the way just you this is me just by myself oh i've done about half my audits by myself i'm comfortable either way right with people or without people uh but i was

with somebody at this time or nobody at this time lady comes out you can't record here you know same old same all yeah i'm allowed to record here i'll be fine you know blah blah blah they call the cops the cops show up i'm talking with one you know for a couple of minutes then the second one rolls up and again it's like you know you need to provide ID and such and like that and i was in the middle of providing my information you know i said okay i said i'll provide information i give my name george and then the officer over here says well where do you live i said well that's that's not important and that's not required by law right now i'm going to jail boom boom just like that just like that like that quick and all this is online you can check it

out but it's it's all online and uh yeah you know right in the middle of it and i was i couldn't believe it and uh they locked me up they put me in the car they took me in and uh it took me a couple hours to get out i have a buddy that lives right around bad cop what are they saying um i don't even remember what the charges were on that one i i think it was uh i think it was trespassing and I don't know if it was obstruction or whatever. Do you bring an ID? No. Oh, so when you say I don't have ID, I don't have ID.

No, because, again, they're known to, like, pat you down and search you and stuff like that. So that would, I don't want to do that and voluntarily give it up. So I'd never bring my ID. I leave it in the car and cars parked down the road. You have a dummy wallet that when you open it up, it says, why are you looking through my wallet? Listen, you want to know something funny? I do have a dummy wallet. I call it the bait wallet.

Right. Okay. So what I did was I went out and I bought a man purse, right? It's a top gun volleyball tournament man purse, right? And it's got a little pocket outside of it. And I stuffed the wallet in there. So it's completely visible, right? So when the officer's like, you got an idea, I'm like, no.

What's that? I said, well, that's my bait wallet. That's for criminals only. and I haven't had an officer reach for it yet but if they were to reach for it when you pull out the wallet right on the front of the wallet it says FU the words

then when you open up the wallet and you see the ID it's for Mcloven right his Hawaii license you have one that if you open the wallet it has a high pierce something like a shot one of their shock things like you know

that would be funny but okay so back to Pritchard It seems like you get arrested a lot quicker that way, but yeah. Yeah, so they took me and they booked me. I paid my bond and I got out. Now, Pritchard is an economically depressed area. When we were looking at bond, you know, you could do bond two ways. You can go through a bond company or you can submit the money to the court itself in a full to bond you out.

And that way you don't have to pay the 10% to the bondsman. Well, the people I knew in that area said, listen, he goes, you don't want to pay the bond of Pritchard. You'll never see that money again. Right. And I was like, really, there's in such dire straits. And when you drive through the town, you could see it. Like I told the cop when we were driving through, I was looking around at the building.

It don't look like you guys can afford a lawsuit. Right. You know? You still want to do this? Right. So, yeah, you know, I got bonded out. And it took, I don't know, I'd say three or four months before my trial. How much was the bond?

I'd say a thousand bucks somewhere around there. Did you pay the whole thousand? No, we paid a bondsman. Okay. But since I was out of state, I ended up paying a little bit more than $100. I think it was like $500 or whatever. It's standard when you're out of state, I guess, at least in my instances when I've been arrested out of state. So I paid that, and about three or four months later was my trial.

And at the day of the trial, they dismissed the charges on a technicality. I'm assuming the technicality was that I was innocent, but whatever they want to do, whatever they want to say. Now, on that one, I didn't file a lawsuit. And the reason being is because I thought there would be no chance of recovery even if I did one. Because they're very, like I said, very depressed economically. There was just a story not long after this happened where the lady that ran the water department there was busted for stealing $400,000. And they did a whole raid on her house. It's all on the news and stuff.

It's crazy. But, you know, I like to spend my time accordingly and my resources where I think they'll do the most help. So after that happened, I invoked a couple of people to come with me. So I had a guy fly out from California. I had two guys driving from Texas and me and one, two, three other guys drove in from Florida to Pritchard, Alabama. And we all stood out. on that same easement this is before the trial well two of my buddies two my buddies ended up getting arrested there as well right and so they've they've taken their court

you know to trial and everything and they're not facing charges anymore either they drop those too yeah yeah they uh well they they worked out some kind of some kind of thing where they wouldn't come back for like a year or something like that it wasn't like a come back in the town for a year totally unenforceable yeah it was like whatever so they they did that uh because what happened was is they were like they would set a court date and then my buddy would fly from california and the texas and then drive over to alabama with the other guy and they would get there oh it's postponed and they do it like three or four times my buddy's like i can't afford to keep flying back and forth and doing all this stuff he's just like they're trying to wear you down

Right. So they did that. But in that return trip, we had numerous revisits that we did that day. And a total of three guys ended up getting arrested that day. One guy got arrested at our first spot we revisited, which was a police department there. And he got arrested there. And then so while he was getting booked in, we went down the road to the airport. We did an audit there. And then we found. found out what his bond was. So we went and we bonded him out. Then we went back to Pritchard where the other two guys got arrested. We went back to the county jail to pick up the first guy we bonded out. Then we went and did some more audits. And then later that night we went back and we picked up the two other guys that were arrested. And that was our day. So pretty, pretty exciting stuff. This is an interesting club. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's vastly different than most oh yeah yeah and it's it's all it's all shapes and sizes and and uh education levels and careers and and colors you know a lot of people a lot of people when i started were like

oh yeah that's white privilege you know you're you're you know you you do that because you're white and i'm like have you not seen my boy big i was going to say we need a black guy big nick south florida accountability a big big nick don't play baby like he he he he goes hard big nick south for accountability and i tell him i said listen when you know you're rights it doesn't matter what color you are right you know and it's true i mean big nick and there's others you know that that hold him to the fire i got my boy eli in new york city and he holds them to the fire you know and he's like Hispanic or uh he he's mixed i believe but um definitely not a white guy definitely not a white guy and um you know the way he talks i

I want to say he's, you know, Jamaican or Dominican or something, but I don't know, you know. I've never really asked him because it never really mattered to me, you know, what race or what color, you know what I mean? He came to me, Eli came to me years ago before he started auditing and he's a, he does hip hop. Okay. And he wrote a couple of songs about the community. And one of the songs he wrote, I was in the lyrics. Nice. A couple of my other buddies were in the lyrics.

and the name of the song's Copwatch. And so I played the name of a channel. Yeah, well, I played his music on some of my videos, like on some of my Best of Rogue Nation videos. I use his song as my intros. And he picked up a camera and he started doing it. And he's been doing great up there as well. You know, New York City is just, you know,

when you got an organization of 17,000 people, it's just logical that there's going to be correct. and grift and stuff like that going on. It's just too big of an organization not to be doing, you know, somebody doing that. And in New York City specifically, they have a policy against recording inside the precincts. And that's what all the guys are up there challenging now. So they've had about three or four arrests of guys going in like me and challenging the ordinance. And we're getting court cases brought up now to challenge that.

So, you know, that's basically, you know, what it's about is just holding people responsible and and digging into where the mainstream media isn't digging in you know um so what happened with the third or with your fourth arrest with this last rest my fourth arrest again by myself i was up in pauling county Georgia and which is just west of Atlanta and um it was really strange because I wasn't planning on auditing where I ended up that day I was in the town a little south of there. I can't remember the name. I want to say Douglasville, but I could be wrong. There is a Douglasville. It could have been that. But I was in the town and I was planning on auditing there. But when I woke up the next morning, I was looking at my tried and true map.

And I noticed that there was an area that had like three or four detention centers, like a jail, a detention center and that. So I was like, man, that would be a great spot to start my day off. So I drove up there. I parked on the side of the road. in front of the 911 call center but on the public right away i walked down to the prison got in the parking lot started recording it was in december so it was cold it's kind of rainy had an umbrella and had no gloves on and um you know i walked in i started recording the guys came out you know you're not allowed to be here this is state property you're not allowed to record him i don't know i'm okay you know whatever and uh you know okay well we're gonna call the county sheriff or whatever i'm like yeah

no problem um and i do they have any idea like are they just it's so foreign to them it is it is most people think that government property is private property or or you can't be there you know what i mean like they don't understand public at all and and what's allowed and where you're allowed to be or whatever um so he was like yeah we're gonna just call the county sheriff or whatever and i'm like all right you know no problem and i put one of my hands in my pocket because I was cold you know I didn't have gloves on me can you take your hands out of your pocket I was like hell no I ain't taking my hands on my pocket it's cold well that's the obstruction charge they they ended up hitting me with

but I'll get to that in a second so I was like yeah whatever and you know I'm walking around the parking lot first cop pulls up it's a guy and a lady I don't know if their deputies Pauline County and I don't know if she was being trained or if she was an actual deputy But she didn't say much or do much. But I'm talking with a deputy back and forth here and there. And, you know, what are you doing here? I said, well, I'm just recording. You know, are you done?

I said, no, I said, I just got here. I said, then these guys started freaking out. You know, I said, I know that this is a public parking lot. It's got a freaking sign right on the gate that says visitors. You know what I mean? So people park here and they come in to visit. So I know it's not restricted, no access signs, none of that. And he goes, he says something.

and he goes he goes and I it came to it to where he said you know am I detained he said no and and he goes you know you're free to leave I says well I'm free to stay also well you're just here to cause a problem

and cause a crew you know blah blah blah and then as soon as he said that another deputy pulls up gets out of his car starts walking towards us and this deputy asked this deputy has been asked to leave and this deputy says yeah he's been asked multiple times but he says this is public property so he don't need to leave and the officer walking up says this is a correctional facility and this guy

goes that's right and so this officer gets in him he goes this is a correctional facility do you want to leave now i said what do you mean correctional facility goes this is a correctional facility so right now boop boop you're under arrest takes and sets my camera down rip like literally rips my umbrella out of my hand and then puts me in front of the car they they think they got me for trespass right now so i'm in front of the car he gets my name he goes where what's your address where do you live i says well i'm not legally required to give you that it's not required by the state statute well that's fine i'll just put an obstruction charge on you i said well do what you got to do i says i know i'll beat that in court so what they did was is after they got me arrested

put me in the county jail they changed the trespassing to loitering near inmates which is a felony again a statute that hadn't hardly if ever been used in a hundred years me and my lawyer believe it's part of the chain gang statutes and then

they took the obstruction charge from the cop that said he was going to give it to me and gave it to the director of the facility because I didn't remove my hands out of my pocket and then they they prosecute me for it It took a little over two years for my case to come to court. Meanwhile, they kept my camera, which they didn't need to keep my camera because, A, they never signed a warrant to get any of the video footage off the camera, right? So it was no good to them.

Two, they never used a video camera in court in trial. You know, they just, they didn't use it. They didn't bring it up. They didn't show it, nothing. And then after the court cases, you know, I'm convicted and everything else like that. we try to get my camera back and they said no no well he's appealing so we're going to keep this for the appeals process knowing that you can't introduce new evidence and appeals and there's no evidence on there that isn't already in the record right because i took the video from the camera

i petition the court to you know because obviously this is going to not convict me right shows i'm not doing nothing there's no inmates so the video's already out there there's no reason to keep my camera except to punish me right for not doing what they said yeah so how long was the trial the trial took about a week a week yeah took about a week we uh we started we had to pick the jury you know so that took like a day or two and then the trial you know the witnesses and and stuff like that so i mean i i smoked them when i got on the witness stand i mean i really put it to her because uh you know she's, you know, trying to create this narrative. She's like, you really hate all cops, don't you?

You really hate the government. And I said, no, ma'am. I says, I hate bad police. I said, I think we would all agree that bad police are not needed. Wouldn't you agree, ma'am? Oh, she didn't like that because she had to agree. Right. You know?

So, but in the end, what happened was is they had a panel of boot lickers and she got on there. There's a couple things that happened. One, she used evidence she wasn't allowed to. to use right we uh we we we we talk with the judge and said this evidence is allowable this isn't allowable right well she showed the evidence that wasn't allowable anyway and then oh i made a mistake yeah forget you saw that you know and then at the end because and closing arguments state gets the last word and we can't rebut it right so she gets up there and she do we really want this guy from florida coming up in our neighborhood harassing our neighbors well what

What more do you need to say? Right. You know what I mean? Like, of course nobody wants that, right? They want to punish me because here I am, a Florida guy coming up to Georgia and I'm harassing their neighbors, you know, and really there was no harassing at all. Right. You know, so it's all about narratives with these folks and how they get spent it to make

themselves look the best and whatnot. But I'm pretty sure on appeals will be able to beat it. And I'll tell you one of the reasons why is that there's a case up there. it's a civil case called the Cox Communications v. Low, and it went to the Georgia Appeals Court in 1985, and there was a reporter who was in the prison parking lot, show him in the prison. Right.

And he caught an inmate on camera, and the inmate filed a invasion of privacy lawsuit against them, which was dismissed because the judge said there's no information that he could get on the camera that's not already publicly available, right? Like, people know that you're convicted. They know your crime. It's in the news.

So there's nothing that he could get that would be an invasion of your privacy. But in that case, he specifically said that where the reporter was is public. Right. And he was allowed to be there. So I should have been allowed to be in the parking lot where I was allowed to be. So we got pretty high hopes on the appeals. But, I mean, again, it's a corrupt system. So I tell people, don't take the arrest.

If you can do anything, don't take the arrest. Because you can document violations of civil rights, and I have without getting arrested. As a matter of fact, all three lawsuits I have in Alabama right now are for incidents where I was not arrested. And I'm doing them all pro se. Right. So, you know, it's not something that needs to happen as far as that goes. And, you know, again, they violate rights literally every day. I mean, today, right now, as we're talking, this moment, someone's having their rights violated.

Right. So. Well, I have a question. what your probation officer in Georgia what is what is he saying well I tend to transfer probation oh I'm sorry I'm sorry okay because I live down here right so they transferred my probation to Marion County what's your probation officer down here say uh I mean they like this is silly well this it's a she okay and this is the first I said have you ever had a journalist right probation no this is the first time you know so they're weary because you know because I

I asked him, I says, if a cop comes up to me and asks me for my ID, I said, do I have to provide that to him since I'm on probation? Well, not really. It's a Fourth Amendment type deal. You know what I mean? And I'm like, exactly. But the funny part of the whole thing is, is that six months before I got put on probation, I was at that probation office doing an audit.

Right. I actually audited my probation officer supervisor. So when I'm in the office doing my probation, I'm looking at this guy. I'm like, didn't I audit you? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They did a wonderful job when I was there. So that kind of eased attention. But I just found it humorous that this probation office I was assigned to, which I just

audited a while back. But they seem okay with it. I need permission to go out of the county every time I'm on felony probation. So like I had to get permission to come here today. I submitted my list for this week. I'm covering a trial in Orlando. I'm covering the trial in Hernando County. I'm covering a council meeting tomorrow night in Sumter County.

So I got to get permission to go out and do all that stuff. Does all of that stuff end up on your channel? Or you cherry pick, you go somewhere. You're like, there was just nothing interesting here. Or you edit it down? Yeah, I try to put as much as I can. Like, if I'm going to spend time to go somewhere, like for the trial, that'll definitely be on the channel.

For the county meeting, that should probably be. on the channel um i don't try to just put you know bad stuff or gotcha moments or whatever i try to put you know what i can on there um but because i'm on probation and because of the fact that it would just take an arrest not a conviction to violate my probation which would possibly get me an automatic two-year sentence you know the judge can automatically give me two years because right my sentence could have been one to five years you know it's because of felony right and he gave me three years probation but if I violate that probation he can stick me right back in the jail two or three years right we wouldn't have to go to court over it or none so

it's restricted my auditing activities so that's why I haven't been putting a lot of my own material out on my channel it's just it's too big of a risk I'm the only earner for the family right so if i was to go to jail for two years i'd lose my house i'd lose my wife i'd lose my kids i'd lose my car you know i'd lose everything right you know i'd get back out and be homeless and so what are you putting uh what are you putting on the channel now i'm putting um you know stories i do voiceovers on news stories or other people's videos that i see um that are along the same lines of what I do or I think that would be topics of interest to my subscribers, you know, anything dealing with government overreach or corruption, anything of that nature.

Like, for example, the Sumpter countering meeting tomorrow night, the commission is trying to pass a new fire fee and supposedly on one business, it's going to raise their fire fee tax like 140,000 percent, like stupid amounts of money. So, you know, people want to know about stuff like that. I put lawsuit information on my channel because my lawsuits are still ongoing. You know, just stuff like that, stuff that would interest them. Okay. You know, public records request, that kind of stuff.

What do you use to edit yourself? I use a program called VideoPad Pro, and I do my own editing. It's not nothing fancy. You know, I just clip here and clip there, and that's about it. I try to keep it as basic as I can. You know, I don't want people thinking that I'm editing out, you know, important information, you know, like a couple of the guys in the community, they like to go around and, like, act suspicious, you know, like, done behind cars and, you know, do all that kinds of stuff and get the police interested in what they're doing. But I don't like to do any of that, and I don't want to be accused of, you know, oh, he's editing his videos, so we don't really. know if he's slapping the cop before the cop arrest him or what you know which is another reason

why i got my 360 camera uh which was the best uh piece of advice i could give to anybody that wants to get into auditing as the 360 camera because that leaves no doubt about what's transpiring around you you know what i mean so i was up in panama city uh panama city at their city hall a couple years ago and the video is titled uh when a good cop goes bad And I had these two officers that approached me, and they knew it was legal for me to be there. They weren't trying to kick me out or anything, but they stood on each side of me and just belittled me and ridiculed me and tried to poke at me to get me to do something or say something, which I didn't do. And after they followed me around for about 20 minutes, I was in a spot, and I was looking one way, right? And the cop doesn't know that it's a 360 camera.

Right. so he puts his leg behind my leg and then he hip checks me right and I don't see it because I'm facing this way and he's behind me and he's like don't you bump into me again boy and I'm like damn I'm like I need to get out of here these guys are getting right oh no irate you know I thought I'd bumped into him I was like I'm sorry sir I didn't mean to bump into you right don't bump into me again boy I was like okay these guys seems like a lawsuit right there yeah I was like, this guy's a little bit out of control. I said, I'm going to get out of here.

Plus, I'd been there for like an hour. I'm like, almost every one of my batteries on my cameras were dead. I was like, if I don't have a camera going, I don't have no proof. So I got out of there. I got home. I'm sitting there. I told my wife, I said, baby, I said, sit down here and watch this 360 camera with me. I said, I think something transpired here.

And sure enough, you know, I had to angle it just right. But you could see him. You could see him put his leg behind mine. do that little hip check on me and I was like god damn it that little bastard but without that 360 camera I mean if he would have pushed the issue that could have been a battery

on law enforcement officer I mean that could have been a mandatory five years especially in Florida with my already criminal record down from a kid so I mean that really saved my ass not that he did anything but if he would have that that really would have saved my ass

so I tell people you know one of the best pieces of advice I can give the people out there trying to do this is get a camera that that sees everything right you know because they're not above doing something i know a lot of people are like oh cops will never do nothing like that i've actually got done film you know so it's not an issue of if they would if if the opportunity arises would they do something like that absolutely how long before you think the uh the appeal is in georgia they have a year to a year and a half to hear the appeal I think it has to be done within a year and a half.

Now, what we're waiting on right now is we're waiting on the transcripts. So my lawyer's waiting for them to transcribe the record. Then he'll go through the record and he'll find, you know, whatever he needs to find for the appeal. But the process in Georgia is that you have to file a motion for a new trial, right? So we filed that. and then once we get the transcript they'll hear that motion which most likely they'll deny and then we can file for the appeal then that'll take a year and a year to a year and a half so

I'm looking at about two years spending on probation waiting for my appeals to go through now if we went on the appeal we're definitely going to try to sue there's so many things messed up with it like for example they actually searched and towed my car even though it was nowhere near the scene of where I was arrested. Right. So that's, you know, violations there. Obviously, I don't want to say malicious prosecution, but that could be a possibility. But the fact that they're keeping my camera is a federal violation.

Right. There's actually federal law that says that you can't confiscate journalists equipment, you know, especially if there's news stories on it that need to be released. There was a gentleman that filed and won on that case in Fort Valley, Georgia. It's Dunn versus Fort Valley. Just a small case there. But, yeah, it's, you know, it's never ending, you know, because I tell people the state is always hiring new idiots, right? They're constantly hiring new people that don't know the law.

Right. So even in places where I've been, like I've been in. the places the first time and they've been just awesome and then I'll go back there the next time just to double check right and it's hell on earth you know like insane and um and it's just because you know when you go to a place let's say you go to city hall on Monday you might only see 10 to 20 percent of the people that work at city hall right and they're giving the you know vacations or days off or sick day whatever have you you go back the very next day you'll see You know, somebody you didn't see that first day, and he's a real ad, you know, and he really, you know, gives it to you.

So that's part of the reasons why we do, why we do revisits. But I'm secure in the fact that I'll never have to not do this because of the fact that the state doesn't care to educate its employees enough, you know. And just same thing with officers, you know, I've gotten emails from training officers that say, you know, that this is really. There's no supervision on the streets. They ride around with these guys after the academy one or two days, and they give them a badge and put them on the street and say, hey, save the world, you know, and then these guys don't have a clue what they're doing. And one of my buddies, I'm not going to say what agency he works for, but he's a buddy mine. He works for a law enforcement agency, and he gave me his books from the academy so I could look through him. hardly any law at all in these training books.

I think the only two laws I found were Terry v. Ohio and Pennsylvania v. Mims. I don't remember any other case law being in these books. You know, there's, of course, force and use of force and all this other stuff, but very, very little law. And supposedly, you know, these officers are supposed to, in their free time, you know, study the law.

That's not happening. Right. I was going to say it's funny that the people that have the the most contact with the public and the most responsibility with enforcing the law have the least training in the law in the law. Right. You know? Right. And I'm not expecting these people to be lawyers.

Obviously, if you knew the law that well, you wouldn't be an officer. You'd be getting paid double what you are, right? I understand that. But basic laws like ID law, it's basic, right? Yeah. As a law enforcement officer, the ID law is the law that you use most throughout your career. Every day of your career, you're using that law most, right? So to me, it's akin to a carpenter who doesn't know what a level is.

Right. Or a bartender who doesn't know what a rum and coke is. You know what I mean? Like, how can you perform your duties if you don't know? How can I enforce something I don't know? Well, that's why we call them feelings enforcers because they just enforce whatever they feel. Right. You know, I feel this is wrong, so I'm going to tell you not to do it or, you know.

And because of the way the law is made up, I'll just arrest you for anything and say it's disorderly conduct or, you know, obstruction or whatever. There's a couple of catch-all charges at every state that they have to go to. Yeah, I always love that when they're, you know, they want to, they want your ID and I'm going to, I'm detaining you. Why are you detaining me for suspicion of a crime? what crime uh you're acting suspiciously uh was that a crime being suspicious like what am i suspicious i'm walking down the sidewalk i have i have an iphone i have an iphone and i'm walking down the sidewalk how is that suspicion uh you know they don't know it's like why because i want you to do what i want you to do exactly because i'm a police officer and i did eight weeks at the academy

and i have this badge it's power right it's power right it's funny because there's just you you you watch these I watch these shorts and the TikToks and stuff and I think and so many times you'll see some some cop just go nuts and all I can think about is wow he should not only like it's worse than he should be he should be told not to behave that way but no he should never be in a position of power like you guys hired the wrong guy like that that's a guy that you need to say look bro honestly you can be in the precinct doing paperwork But you can't be dealing with the public anymore. Like your attitude is so detrimental to our, you know, to our agenda, to our goals or to law enforcement.

Like you're behaving the opposite of how we should be perceived. Like you're a total bully and you're unreasonable and you're aggressive and violent. You shouldn't be on the street. And you certainly shouldn't be a police officer. And if so, at best, you should be doing paperwork. you shouldn't even be in the in the you shouldn't even be a deputy dealing with inmates because they're even in a worse position exactly so um yeah but and you see those all the time yeah absolutely do you have like a ticto account or i had a ticot account but um time resources wise it just wasn't doing anything for me um so i haven't been on it for a while i have my youtube account and i have a facebook account that i'm i'm pushing now um that i do most of my work on and uh that sort of thing um you know it's it's it's it's it's what it is um we can only do what we can do you know we can only do it you know you're years away from

doing this anymore sounds like sort of sort of now um i'm working reworking my my methods to uh hopefully steer away from the possibility of being arrested Now, I told my subscribers the other day, and you saw the map, I'm literally probably one of the most hated men in the Southeast United States because I've made a lot of people, I don't want to say made a lot of people look stupid. They made themselves look stupid. But I exposed a lot of people acting stupid, you know? So it's not a far stretch to think, hey, I can go arrest George for whatever because it doesn't matter if it sticks. because he still violates his probation. Right. And I get him off the street for two years. So I'm kind of switching up my tactics. Like now what I'm doing is I'm going after public records, right?

So this week, this past week, I called Marion County and I called Ocala. In Florida, you're allowed to visually inspect and copy records, right? So you can come in, you can visually see them and inspect them and copy them. It doesn't cost you anything except for maybe a little redaction. So now what I'm doing is I'm calling ahead and I'm getting them to get the records ready for me to come in and visually inspect and I'm going after credit card receipts, credit card records and credit card receipts for all employees. Now, I did this last year. I started pulling credit card statements last year and I found a whole bunch of corruption, I guess you could say, or just misuse of credit card statements, the county credit cards, buying personal items, food. you know just all kinds of stuff travel yeah the stuff they always get caught for right like I'll give you a perfect

example and I want to say this was in uh north Carolina Fayville North Carolina I pulled the credit card records for them and on there there was a credit card statement from a website now on the statements it just says you bought it from here and this is how much but it doesn't tell you what they bought right you need the actual receipt for that right so this lady bought something from this website. So when I looked at the website, well, it's school uniforms for kids, $300 worth, all right? So I called up, I says, I'm going to need the receipt for this purchase so I can see what you bought. Oh, well, we don't have the receipt for that. The credit card was stolen. Somebody made that purchase using the credit card after they stole it. Okay. Sure they did. You know what I mean?

I didn't have a chance to look into it further because I wanted to look into it further. I wanted to see the report they made, obviously, because if the credit card was stolen, they should have reported it to the police. I was never able to get around to doing that. But because of the probation, I think they're going to find that they've made a mistake because I'm the kind of guy with my work ethic

that's not going to let something go. Right. So I'm confined pretty much to Marion County. So that means I'm pretty much going to be camping outside Marion County, commissioner's house. I'm going to be following them around, seeing if they're having affairs. I'm going to be digging through every contract Marion County puts out. I'm going to be digging through every credit card receipt.

I mean, I know they think they've beat me or won in some aspect, but I guarantee you by the end of it, they're going to be glad that I'm off probation and I'm back out into Alabama and South Carolina. I was supposed to be in Louisiana this year. That place is a hotbed of tyranny. Nobody wants to touch that place. Hot bet of tyranny. Hot bed of tyranny. oh god you know massachusetts is horrible oh yeah it's horrible oh yeah with with corruption i don't know

what the cops are like but with corruption it's it's rough you know like i said like i've seen um i've been all over the country and it's all the same you know a lot of times people call me up and they're like george man i need you up here it's so bad these cops are so corrupt and i'm like you say that because you live there right you know what i mean but in reality that's everywhere yeah you know what i mean like i've had my worst experience experience was probably Dothan, uh, Alabama as far as being treated and stuff. But even, even now, they've, they've corrected themselves. You know, when we went there, the first day, um, you know, I was there for a day. We hit like five locations. And every five,

every location was just a total massacre. You know what I mean? Like the first place we went, I was in handcuffs for an hour, me and my buddy, you know, then they released us. And then we went on our way. And then the next. building. They wouldn't let us in. They had a herd of people. This was during COVID. They had a herd of people standing outside waiting to get in line. They incited these people against us, right? I had one lady, he goes, I'm going to beat you with my ugly stick or something like crazy, right? I titled that, I titled that video, a herd of boot lickers stampede the cops, right? I always try to find funny little things. So we left there. We went to the sheriff's department and, you know,

there was only a little lobby that we could go into. So we went in there and then we wanted. walked out and then like 10 minutes later the sheriff pulls up on the side of the street we're walking on the sidewalk detains us literally no lying about 15 other cops show up sheriff police state troopers right all show up uh illegally detain us uh illegally idea us and then after 30 minutes end up letting us go um and i've got a lawsuit i got two lawsuits that day out of visit endothin which is the most lawsuits i've ever had now i when i went down to punta gordon I got five trespasses in one day from that from that place because they they're crazy down there too we're fighting them on a lot of items down there but um you know when stuff pops up you got

right you got to put down what else happens with the content what are you going to do for a content I mean I understand you're putting stuff up I understand you're doing the the uh the FOIA requests on credit on the use of credit cards but I mean are you doing anything like interviewing other guys other um i haven't really done interviews um per se so much and if i do do interviews it's usually from people that i'm doing stories on okay you know so like i think the last interview i did uh was a couple up in kentucky where the guy was he he was going for a walk and he had his rifle with him because he was going to go plinking right at the end of his walk and something happened and the cop said that four or five people called in and said that he was like pointing

the gun at him as they were driving down the road and you know all this other stuff so you know i interviewed them and got their story out that's the kind of interviews that that i partake in well there's a guy now that walks around with his i don't know what he's walked around with an ar-15 or something you know and he's in in florida and um solo yacker yeah the armed fisherman that's it he's a good buddy Yeah. What a, what a, I watched one of his where he was just walking through like a, it was an area where you fish, like a park. And, and the cop pulled the gun on him. Like, he's just walking and doesn't have his gun out anything. It's just that got pulls his gun out and is aiming at him and he's been on the ground. And he's been on the ground. Like, what are you doing? He's, he's been put on the ground so many times and had guns pulled on him. And, you know, I give it to him. I'm a felon. I was a felon at 18. So I, I've never had a gun. Right. So I give it to him. The guy's got really balls of steel. And, you know, I hang out with them again every once in a while. We've done audits together, not Second Amendment, but just regular audits together. He's gone with me and a few. And, you know, just a good guy. But, you know, these are things that people need to do. We need to test the limits. He's the one that one of the cops said to him, well, you understand that you're making people feel nervous. Yeah, but I shouldn't, I shouldn't, they shouldn't feel nervous. Right. And he's like, that's the whole point. Is this.

The more they see someone out here, you know, with a weapon, walking around, going fishing, doing this. Like, as an open carry thing, you should be allowed to have it. You know, they shouldn't feel nervous. Right. You know, so. Right. And if it's the law, it's the law for a reason, right? You know, so.

Well, I'm a big believer in, like, an armed society is a polite society. If everybody, if everybody out there had the right to carry a firearm or was even requested to carry a firearm, like, we're asking you to, I promise you. the amount of robberies, armed robberies that would actually happen would drop by 95%. Absolutely. You know, you wouldn't walk in, you wouldn't walk in and rob and McDonald's if you knew that there were eight other guys in there that had guns. Exactly. You'd be like, oh, hell no.

Right, right. It's easy targets. It's always been that way. And just like, I don't know if you knew the story of Kennesaw, Georgia, where they passed the law back in the 80s that every, you know, able-bodied, man, man, child should have a gun. And their crime has been the same even though they've grown 20,000 people. You know what I mean? It's amazing.

The same thing with Florida. Once Florida had their carry laws and stuff put into effect, you know, everybody thought it was going to be a blood back down here. And they find out it's not. With Sweden. There's almost no crime. Yeah. There's almost virtually no crime.

But you also have every single citizen has had to serve time in the military and has and is asked to carry a weapon. Right. And it's proficient. Right. So who knows you don't know. No robin here. No bad idea. That would be a stupid criminal. Right. It would be a very stupid criminal, you know. So yeah, you just, and I'd been a criminal. Right. You know what I mean? You just look for a softer target. Absolutely. It's not that I'm saying maybe maybe you don't commit crime. Maybe you realize it's just not worth it. Or maybe you say, you know what? I'm going to move on. I'm going to drive into Belgium. Right. Drive into another another country where there's, they're now. Or maybe I'm going to do something like bank fraud where I don't have to interact with people. Right. Exactly.

you know or something along that lights. I'm breaking one and there's nobody in the store. Like maybe burglaries are slightly higher or something. But yeah. Right. Actually pulling a gun and robbering somebody now. Okay. I feel like we've covered a lot.

Yeah. Have you been interviewed before like this? Not so much in the setting, but I have done interviews. Like on stream. Like on Zoom or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I was interviewed by a National Library Association or something. I don't remember the guys. but they look pretty stuffy. And, you know, he was sitting in an overgrown chair and, you know, hello. You know, but it's pretty cool. But, yeah, I've done a couple of them. But, you know, again, this stuff is not mainstream. And, you know, there's a whole group of people out there that are so against what we do that they spend.

Why? But they just don't like it. Well, first of all, they think it's illegal. all right they're part of the group that think it's illegal to go and film people then they think that it's harassing you know well you're just in there harassing the workers well you know regardless your public employee you're in public in a public space you're subject to being recorded if you're in a public space you're subject to being recorded if you're you know you you know what I'm saying like across the board like that's just it's just silliness and it's

like oh you don't have my permission I don't need your permission and if you're unhappy about it then go work somewhere else exactly but but see they they again it's it's all about beliefs which is why I wish that people would would learn about how their mind works right because if people don't know how their mind works then they don't know how the information is coming into their brain they don't know how it's being misused and and we are being manipulated by not knowing how our mind works you know well and also you're being recorded all the time anyway like you're always being recorded people don't realize that there's but people say now this is their argument that they're not putting their videos on youtube you know the security cameras

they're not going on youtube or or somebody's dash cam is not going on youtube or something like that but but again the the whole point of the the situation is to videotape our public officials and bring their actions to the citizens so the citizens because nobody hangs out at city hall no regular citizen goes to city hall unless you need a building permit so how would somebody in any town across america know how their public officials act this guy could be a bully i don't want to bully running my city you know what i mean i don't want to slapping old ladies down or or not you know providing services to old ladies because for some reason he's just got a bias against old ladies or whatever, have you now, but people don't realize this because there's no interactions,

right? So I've had more interactions with police than most people will have 70 years of their life, right? And I can see because of those interactions how these people act and what they think and what they know. People doing what they're supposed to be doing should not have a problem with you know i i know that you know when i'm if i'm committing a crime or i'm i was running a scam i want it hidden right absolutely but if you want if you want to see me do them put together a more a legitimate mortgage i have no problem with that here's the w2s that they gave me the pay subs to this i'll show you how the whole thing whole thing together how i package the package how i send it off the underwriting how it gets approved how you create a closing statement how you go to closing no

problem if i'm manufacturing documents close the door lock it it's all you know under the radar absolutely i don't want anybody saying that absolutely so it's the same it's the same thing with any type of public officials that if you're doing everything by the book then you should have no problem with me watching you or videoing it or putting it up on youtube or tick talk or anything no instagram whatever right yeah because you're not doing anything wrong right what's the problem right right you're a you're showing how efficient you are how you're doing everything correctly then that should be shouldn't be an issue um well hey is there anything you feel like we haven't talked about no i don't think so i think we've covered pretty much the gamut um we've gotten

through my arrest what auditing is and you know i just i i caution people um and and again i want to say that that that is one of the drawbacks to society is is not understanding how we right you know what I mean and and and our beliefs and stuff like that like when people come to me and they say hey I'm intelligent you know because a lot of people online they come to me say oh you're wrong you know and I'm like well how do you know I'm wrong because I'm intelligent there's one question I ask people that'll prove if they're intelligent or not and that question is what filters every piece of information that comes into your brain what what filters

that okay and people 99.9% in the time they don't have an answer to that question and so if we don't know what filters information coming into our brain how do we know that the information that we're getting into our brain is the right information right because it could be filtering out truth and leaving nothing but lies right which is what we have going on now and the answer to that question and another question that's similar to it is what controls every action a human being does it's the same answer beliefs what you believe psychologists call them belief glasses which is why witnesses eyewitnesses are so unreliable because you got two people they see the same thing but they have two different sets of beliefs so me and you were walking by an alley

I'm not going to use you because the other person is going to be a racist but me and another person we're walking by an alley right and we see an old white lady she's down on the ground she's bloody and we see a black man above her and he's got his hand extended the racist is going to automatically say this guy's fucking beating that lady whereas the non-race is going to say maybe he's helping her up

yeah maybe he just all right right maybe he was there 30 seconds before you guys walked by and walked down the alley to help her exactly you don't know and the only thing that separates that is what the persons believe and that's and what happens is in school the the government

pounds what known as core beliefs into our brain, right, early on. And one of those core beliefs is that the government is there to protect us, right? For us, by us, you know, they can never hurt us. And that's where the, the bootlicking, I guess you could say, the authority, non-questioning comes into it. Because from long ago, it's always been in my brain that the government's there to help us. So I can't believe that these guys are going to do wrong to me.

and that's where we're at today that's that's why people you know even though they see all this stuff that's going on that's why they they still don't believe it and they still you know oh well blah blah blah i like uh ronald regan said the most frightening words ever uttered were i'm from the government i'm here to help you exactly i mean i've actually had a guy he called me up from south carolina he got arrested he told me the story you got the video and he goes will you tell my dad that and I got on the phone with his dad and his dad says well you know yeah you told me this and you told me that I'm gonna wait to hear what the cops say this is your son right you know what I mean this is a guy that your son knows that knows a little

bit about what's going on right but still you're gonna wait for that person and authority to tell you what you want to hear and that's why in all my videos when the cops do know the law when they tell the folks the law oh okay yeah he's he's allowed to record here now yeah because the because the officer said it yeah but anybody else could have told them that me another customer anybody and listen i've been locked up i've been locked up with too many cops to know that they're all telling the truth like i mean i've been locked up where they it you lied for i listen uh uh which is that last name was a junior we call them junior um he was locked up he was on that in hillsborough county i'm sorry

in Atlanta, in Georgia, he was on the drug task force. I'll figure what they called him. They had some kind of name they called him. And they were doing no knock warrants. And this was probably 15 years ago. No, more like 18 years now.

So for 10 years, they'd been robbing drug dealers. For 10 years. Now they're arresting them too. Periodically, they're arresting bad guys. but every once while they're just robbing somebody you know and one day they arrested a guy who had some you know crack on them let's say and the guy they said would you buy it and he randomly gave them an address you they go you give us an address because he had cash and that

and they said where'd you get this do they have any cash and of course and he said yeah yeah it's a drug house they got a ton of cash in it and they said we'll let you go if you give us the He gives him the address. Okay. So then they've got the address now. And it's in a bad neighborhood. So they then turn around and they go to what's called like a certified informant. Somebody that has consistently given them good information and that their word alone is worth getting a no knock warrant.

Yep. So they go to him and they give him the address and they say, you're going to sign this affidavit so that we can get a no knock warrant for this address. we already arrested a guy he told us where it's from you need to say that you bought consistently bought drugs from that for us now you didn't have a wire or anything here the dates like they had it all just signed he goes okay they then go to the judge they give it to the judge judge says okay i'll sign off on it he signs off on it they then go and they kick in the front door now it takes them a little bit to kick it in it's got bars on it it's a bad bad neighborhood so they have to rip the rip the bars off the door kicking it and while they're kicking in it boom boom boom

boom takes a little bit they kick it in they've never screamed police or anything else they kick in the door the 70 75 year old retired school teacher that lived in the house pulled her gun and started firing when they kicked in the front door shot junior in his vest and then once through the top of the vest through his shoulder And he unloaded his gun in her and killed her. All she'd done was lived there and raised three or four kids, didn't make a lot of money, retired as a school teacher, and was sound asleep in her bed one night because they were used to robbing drug dealers. So they went in, they shot her, they searched the house. They realized, oh my God, there's no drugs here.

So then they plant drugs there. They say that we broke in. She was holding drugs for something. Like they try and come up with this story. what is it uh um the people that look over them uh i'm gonna say a i what is it uh internal affairs thank you i a sorry internal affairs comes in the story quickly starts breaking down because the neighbors in the neighborhood come out and say are all going oh they're nuts that woman does not sell drugs she nobody goes into that she's only got a couple kids that are still alive they come every couple of months we know everything there's

cameras in the neighborhood like it's breaking down quick junior who killed her immediately goes to the fbi i'll work with you to help bust all the other guys we've been we've been robbing drug dealers for over 10 years and he worked with the fbi and all them his whole squad we're talking about like six to eight guys all of them had been robbing drug dealers for for over 10 years yep and so had he I remember Junior got five or six years in federal prison his state

the murder charge got run concurrently with it to was run at the same time and he was only going to end up doing like four years on the murder and he bitched the whole time he was there

about how he had an agreement where he was only supposed to get like three or four years and they ended up getting him six and he was going to do four and he was complaining the whole time and I was like bro you kicked in some old lady's door and shot her and he goes she shot me and I was like she was a retired school teacher defending her own right and he was like we had an address I go an address from a drug dealer or I mean from a drug addict that you didn't double check you didn't double check you didn't know any like what like I mean bro I mean come on man and he he just you don't understand no I do understand I understand you're a scumbag you don't want to admit it and you and all your other guys are scumbags and that was just one time from one department little department

that got caught and only got caught because it went bad how many guys go 20 years and never get caught i i met other guys that were just consistently robbing drug dealers constantly i can't tell you how many how many Mexicans i know that got pulled over in georgia and i was locked up with that would say this, they would get patted down and they'd find, let's say, some meth on them, for example. I don't know, sometimes it's heroin, whatever. A little bit of heroin. Well, here's the problem in the federal system.

You get so much heroin or meth or whatever that it may be. And let's say they catch you with $20,000 and the meth. What's not, it's not for usage. It's too much for usage. So now it's distribution. They will convert the money into the drug. So now you didn't get caught with just this much. Now it's this much.

And that's what you're being convicted. You're being charged with like a kilo. Like your little quarter kilo just turned into a whole kilo because of the money. And the cops would say, look, you got $20,000. If I turn in the $20,000, this is what's going to happen. You're going to get a 10-year mandatory minimum. If I turn in 8,000, you'll only get a five-year. Do you want me to keep the 12?

You want me to turn in the 20 or 8? And they go, no, man, turn in 8, turn in 8. they'd go okay and they'd take the 12 and they just keep it yeah they were happy like they were thank god that cop that's a to them that's a great cop yep yeah so i mean listen i could go on and on and on with the corrupt cops that i've met and the corruption that they were doing and the thing about all of them was they were like oh it's everywhere they're all we're all doing not everyone but they were like oh no no this guy in the department this guy this guy this This guy, this guy, this has been happening.

Like, there's tons of guys doing little tiny things. I'm not saying all cops are corrupt, but I'm saying that, you know. The opportunity presents itself. It's hard. It's hard. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I've got a family.

I want a boat. I want a house. I want a vacation. So for you to sit there and think, what I'm saying is like for me to sit there and think that, you know, oh, they would never lie. It's just, bro, it's just, it's way more common. And here's the thing. In some aspects, I'm sure they're good cops.

in some ways they probably do a lot of good but guess what you're also corrupt and you can't have that guy on the force that's what i said you know it he's probably a great husband right just be a cop just because the guy rescues a kitten from a tree right before he violates my rights does not make him a good cop right right you know what i mean so and you said Atlanta the federal prison in Atlanta um well no no I this well okay I was in Atlanta but I wasn't in federal prison Atlanta I was in federal prison Atlanta I was in the U.S. Marshall's holdover and also like Jr., the guy I talked about, I met him when I was in Coleman, but he was from Atlanta, Georgia. Okay, okay, because I was going to say I audited that federal prison in Atlanta. I audit it. It's funny, too, because it's scary looking, right? Oh, my God, it's gothic looking, you know? And, of course, I've been in that one in the holdover.

We couldn't, you know, get past the fence. We were outside or whatever. So we walked around outside. They ended up calling the cops, and we were across the street at the gas station when the cops showed up. We were getting ready to leave. We didn't think no cops were coming. Well, these cops pull up and they, well, what are you guys doing here? Well, we got a call. Well, we got a call, too. What did you get a call about? I said, well, there's guys inside the prison. They called me. I don't know how they got a cell phone, but they called our hotline.

And they said there's Eighth Amendment violations, cruel than usual punishment going on in there. So we thought we'd come by and check it out. Oh, they were confused, brother. How did they call you? How do you know? Were you in there? It was so funny. your department but we we gave it right back to him I said why are you here well we got a call well so did we they don't like it all right yep we're good I love it all right well I appreciate you making the drive oh absolutely no problem at all hey I appreciate you guys watching and if you like the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the hit the bell so you get

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