Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - FLORIDA MAN ROBS 27 STORES IN 6 MONTHS | Salt & Pepper Bandits

Episode Date: January 1, 2025

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The 7-11 got robbed. They wanted to get robbed. They don't got us on the news. A black and white guy, saw the Pelper team. They booked for 27 counts on our robber. I regret it then again. I don't regret it. I had some damn fun.

Give me a piece of ass. Smoking some . I was doing good because we're tearing it up, bro. We turned up. This way we made our mistake at, though. Me and my cousin, ever. We picked up this on a conscription job. I did our conscription.

I remember the name of Good. And Billy was my farmer, and he was the bite hole out of him. That's how everything kicked off. Mess with that fool, though. It was Billy's fault. He was a bad influence. No, Billet was a cool dude, man. Billy was cool, though.

Ben was in the same activity. You know what I'm saying? Getting high. And every Friday me, Billy, we used to get off work, man. We'd get off work, bro. And we fought right down to the bridge, man. Hey, we go to, over the 27, get all stuff, come back, park under the bridge. Bill said, dumb, man, they get high.

Hey, I told them, they smoke both of all checks, so. Be high, I told him smoke both of all the chest, so, man. See, what they did Billy say? What they were sitting on that bridge, man, Billy say, or, Blake, mate. That was the street day called, Blake May. I said, what's up, Billy? Man.

I don't know about you, man, but, um. I need me another hit. I said, I need my one, too. We're dead broke. We got to went to the next Friday. But I said, like, hell. She, it wasn't the next Friday. She ate.

I said, what's the plan? And then the Beverly Castle right on the road, man. The what? Beaver Castle. Beverage Castle? Yeah, it's going to drive through stove. Okay. So, this is my first time I really getting in trouble.

Now, I don't have a little trouble, but I know I had nothing this big. You know what I'm saying? trouble like this hill. By the way, we on, anyway, Billy, um, we came from underbred, he drove down into the Belkhouse, so he told me to the plan, and said, Billy already had dead time before. He was older than me. Right. And I went up by 18, 19, 19 years old. And, you got up there, man, Billy said, I said, what the plan, man? He said, uh, we're going to park on the side. You go, you go through that, though, because he had to be garage.

door this rolled out. He said, you go through that door and I go to the front door. I said, I, we'll do that. We'll do that though. Yeah, we'll do that. So Beverage Castles are, because not every state has them. No. But it's basically a convenience store that you can drive your vehicle through. You drive your vehicle through. And the person, the cashier in there, you don't have to get out your car. You don't have to get out of your car. Just tell them what you want and they'll just bring it to you. So I say, I say, okay. So we ain't had no gun at the time. We didn't have, this is the first one we did.

We didn't have no weapon, no gun on that. Oh, we had just a little old candle with a knife. We wanted a little red knife. That's all he had. But anyway, man, we went through that door. We went through the entry door. I went through the exit door. And so the old guy, he was standing about an ice machine

putting the ice and ice machine. You know, we weren't looking out to hurt nobody anyway. Right. We just want the money so we can go get high. That's all we want to do. We want to go get high. And so Billy, so when I seen Billy come through the entrance door, he pulled the chain, you know, and they let the door down so the car won't come through. Right.

See what I'm saying? All you got to do is close that door right there. They think they're closed. They think they closed. And so the old guy, he was standing right there by the house machine. So my brother had to give him his armor jacket. So I just had him hand in the armor jacket. So I just bought them behind and said, just don't move.

So he said, man, just don't hurt me. I said, man, anybody will hurt you know what I? He ain't anybody going to hurt. We don't want the money. You know what I'm saying? So we sold, bro, before I look around, when I look around, hey, Billy gone, he going to left me. Why? He was scared?

No, he don't got the money gone. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's, no, this is my first time doing it. You know, so this is my first time doing, doing the robber. Right. You know what I'm saying? So Billy in a hotel. He said, hey, let's go.

He's gone. So when I looked at him, he ran around to the car. So I just, I said, see you later, man. I ran around to the car. He went wrong with. Hey, but anyway, man, we got that there, bro. Hey, man. We were rolling after that, though.

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Right. They didn't have cameras. Right. You know what I'm saying? They didn't have cameras in that then. So that's why it took no so hard to find the, to keep track of us. Right. It's not like they can put a picture on the local news of you guys.

Yeah. Does anybody know who these two guys are? Exactly. All they know is just a black and white guy. Did you cover your face? Oh, I was thinking about cold no face there, man. But anyway, man, they kept the money in the Barnett. That wasn't Bunnett Bank, in them Bunnett Zip bags, in the file box in the back.

See, I learned this. I learned this ass when we went on. This is funny because my first account was in Barnett Bank. In Temple Terrace, in Barnett Bank. Oh, I remember about that bank, yeah. They got bought out by, was it Bank of America or some? but I forget I heard it because my account changed from Barnet Bank to whoever bought them out.

Yeah, yeah. They got bought up by somebody, but anyway, I'm sorry. But after that, man, hey, we was on the road then. I thought we was on the road, but hey, I mean, we were going to work. Right. We were going to work and everything, man. Well, we went to work just for that first week, for that next week. But after that, though, we quit our job and everything,

because we were making money on doing this right here. And, bro, we were, hey. We got that money, we smoked that up. And so, hey, got that day, we had to go back to work and everything. Then somehow, somehow we just stopped going back to work. And they were robbing them every day, every day. I mean, you're just going around the, is it just, how many are in the general area? Back then, back then it was probably about me, about 26.

Probably not even that many. Probably not even that many. Probably not about me. I thought it was about 20 on, you know. But we hadn't got the way we were going back, robbing them. The same ones over and over again? Back to back, yeah. Back to back, bro.

We were going to robbing them back to back. So what's the next one you robbed? The next one we did, bro, was over there, over in Brandon area. Yeah. Oh, yeah, over in Brandon area, yeah. So we wait. So the good time to get them, we waited until around by closing time, because they closed it now at the clock.

So we'll go over there. We'll sit. We'll post up in front of them, man. We'll post there in front of them, man. And they sit there and just watch them, you know, sit right across the street there or eating a burger or probably getting high, you know, because we had so much money. We can keep some little stuff on us now. And so we did. The one over there in Brandon.

Now, that's the one we hit twice. That's one we're out. That's one we had or the dude. He could have killed us for real on that second run. It was a big fucker, too, man. Did you have a gun this time? No, we didn't have a gun. We didn't get a gun until about the third one.

I tell him when we got the gun. I stole my dad a gun. About the third one. But no, about the fourth one, I sold the gun. That's when I got the gun. Yeah. So what do you mean this guy could have killed you? Let's see.

He was a big guy or did he have a gun? No, no. See, the thing was. Okay. You remember the sheriff's default? there used to be behind sails yeah just be behind sales be a share horse behind store there and the velvet house a saw across the parking lot right there okay so we went into that one right there went to that one no eight it was like a clean suite the first

time then we hadn't got like about four grand out of it up so they were like shoot man hey we're gonna wait a couple there go hit that one again you know, because we got so much money out of it, though. But this time, they kind of have weighting on it, but luckily we Billy had to park across the park a lot. I think it was sales, one of those stores there was there, and the weapon was there sat right there. And they were running out, you know what I was saying? And I didn't know it, you know what I said? And Billy didn't know it, but the detective hadn't told us, you know what I was saying?

That one y'all didn't run. Dude, I almost shot y'all. Okay. You know what I'm saying? That's how we found out. You know, dude, I was shot, because he ran. he had to came right to cool we put him in the cooler then lock it you know what saying just put them in there you know what I said just put them in the cooler

he come running out grab the gun grab the gun you know what I'm saying but we was in between cars you know what I'm saying going going in between cars though and uh we got all hooked down right there and then and that's what we did is in the Riverview now Riverview was pretty tricky but what did I tell you one of them we had to I ran the state troopers. I have a question real quick. How old are? You still like 18 to 20 years old?

Yeah, yeah. This is all going in that year. Yeah, right after high school. Yeah, yeah. This is all going that year in that same year. Yeah. That's about how old. It took them on, it took them on, what,

about seven months to catch up with us. Before they really found out exactly who he was. Okay. You know what I'm saying? But by then, we don't pull it off. We down here every last one in town. you know what I'm saying so when these are happening

are there like newspaper articles coming out saying hey the beverage castle on you know Brandon Bullard was robbed no no no they weren't they weren't putting it out like that just yet you know what I'm saying but as you know as crime keep happening it becomes a story

it becomes a story yeah you know what saying I do they didn't want a review we did the one in the real view that bro um that out there was a clean sweet too But it was hard to get up out of it because that was set in the rearview. That's the one we used the gun car. That's the biggest one, Bella Castle, that was in Tampa.

So they had two people working in that one, you know what I'm saying? So there's a lot of traffic. Yeah, yeah, and it's a lot of cars that were going. It was setting on the main drag in the Riverview right there. And so we went up and there. I think that's when we used the gun. Yeah, I'm down right there. But there really wasn't no real gun.

Right. What do you mean? It didn't work? Oh, it worked. And it sounds like a real gun when it got the gas tool in it. So it looked like a 3.57, heavy, but it really wasn't a real gun.

It was like a... But you can tell the police that because from the look of it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know, it looked real. Yeah. It might as well...

They're going to charge them anyway. Yeah, they're going to charge them anyway. That's what they did. They charged with the gun anyway. But anyway, we did that right there, man. At this time, at this time, here, man, we weren't going back home, bro. We weren't going back home at all, man. We were going to stand in a motel, man, called the Golden Penny, man.

The Golden Penny had everything. Everything. You didn't have to go nowhere. Right. You want the hookers, you know what I'm saying? You want the hookers, man. You want the drugs? You know what I'm saying?

It's right, though. And when you said it didn't, it had everything. I was thinking, I was thinking, like, it's got, like a convenience store, it has a gym, it has a pool. Oh, oh, that's what you want to call it, bro. That's not what your thing. No, no. But the goal depends on all the people, with all the bad, like, I guess,

where all the bad people go at. Okay. You know what I said? It was a hotel set right on. Restaurant, car bar. Oh, well, it did have, it did have a walkah house right downstairs, you know, right over the Dakota, you know. But we had, we stand up, man.

We're staying there. It was a good high spot. And the police didn't come up And that's too much, man Because they knew what They knew what the area was, you know And the area they owned it, the place You know what I was saying?

You didn't have to sign no paper, bro. Yeah, you know, a couple hundred dollars You know what I'm saying? That was it. So me, Billy was kind of like loaded then, you know what I'm saying? Doing all the thing getting high, man. Hey, bro, I ain't, I tell you. I regret it then again.

I don't regret it because I had some damn fun. But anyway, until like this is a day. Hey, this was right here we did. This is over in Lakeland, bro. Now, this is the scariest thing I'm alive, you know. Man, hey, we had the cold. The way it sat, it was a neighborhood behind. Behind it.

It sat right off the interstate. It was the neighborhood behind. So it wasn't the, the interstate was a good getaway, because it's right there, jump back on the state, hard ass back to town. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, bro, it's, um, it was, the way we got in, we had parking to the little

neighborhood, which was due place behind it, had a stockade fence, and you can see with somebody already to punch the hole in the fence where you can crawl, come behind the dumpster right now. Hey, we know you probably hit play to escape your business banking, not think about it. But what if we told you there was a way to skip over the pressures of banking by matching with a TD small business account manager, you can get the proactive business banking advice and support your business needs. Ready to press play, get up to $2,700 when you open select small business banking products. Yep, that's $2,700 to turn up your business. Visit td.com

slash small business match to learn more. Conditions apply. So we went through the, went through the hole, came out, you know what I'm saying? When it did all the thing, man, got to run. We know, exactly we're going to get the money at them Bell Casas now. They only have to tell us. Y'all keep the money in the rest. We just want them three money bags, four money bags that y'all got back in a little file box. Right.

You what I'm saying? So once we get in there, man, hey, throw down on it, man, shit, put the little people in the little cooler or whatever, you know what I'm saying? You don't lock it. They all push the door and get out. Just put them in the cooler. And shoot, but on the way I told me, I said, man, hey, hey, I say, now, we get on this day, made, just driving on, man.

You don't have the speeds under that. They made it. Hey, we was in that quick. You know what? It only on tape or a half a minute of whatever, you know what I'm saying, to go in to come out. No, this fool, he won't get on the damn interstate now. He got a little, well, it wasn't a five-fund, but it had the eight-silling in it, Mustang. Oh, the, the L-X.

Yeah. It was the Mustang, the L-X-5-0. I had a Mustang, L-X-5-0. It was faster than the, than the, the L-X-E. than the GT. Yeah. They didn't have the, yeah,

they were a little bit faster because they didn't have, they didn't have all the skirting and all this stuff. So they weren't heavy. Yeah, yeah, and they looked at plane. Well,

they were fast, though. But anyway, it was fast that night. Yeah. Yeah, damn sure was fast that day, because he, instead of he driving,

instead he driving the speed limit, that damn ability, he hauled ass down our phone. And that's there ain't no, the, before they put the little guards in the meter, they had the way the state trove can turn around

and stuff like that. And so he was sitting right there in a little turnaround spot, bro, and came right behind him. I said, oh, man, I said, listen, man, I can't pull over that, man. Hey, I got a warrant on me. I said, for what? I didn't know he was on probation. I didn't probation. I said, oh, man.

I said, here we go. And so he, I said, I was already around seven, so he might have gone to finish the rest of it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, going to put it on to the floor. Some kind of, I don't know it was just the greatest guard we got out of that. You know what I said? I told him, but we got off, he was at the state to be at least about four car lengths behind us. You know what I'm saying?

So it's already dark. So what Billy do, he turned the lights off, don't hit the brakes. This joke would get off the ramp going a hundred and seven miles an hour to know the size of a ramp. Right. Get off that room. And once you get on to know what's a run, that's all black road, dog. ain't no homes the house down there. There's that there old trees down there.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And so he, so he get doing, got the lights off. We're going down to this dark road, man, going about a hundred. You know what I'm saying?

And then he, then he slow down and make a turn, make a right turn down, I guess, what, Knight Griffin Road, whatever the road is, one of those roads there. Well, he made this turn,

and they, and then they shoot up in the orange grove, and turn the lights on. And lights were already off, but I guess he probably knew the area but I stand in terms of how I don't even knew that area do you what I'm saying but he turned the lights off man

so we waited shot down waited waited wait a way to wait it yeah I'm about to shit in my damn fan because he I know we're going to get caught but anyway but we look for out of that out of right there real easy and so did the cops ever go by or you never

never saw nothing just waited it out we just saw that weed it for about 30 minutes and they don't come by and no lights come down the road none of that done come down or none of that stuff that have and so um I say shoot so Billy said man I even got the road I told him I told I didn't go back to the motel I told him to take me to the house you're saying you go out to the house yeah I said yeah just give my cut take me to the house why you're what you're worried about him now He's too crazy?

Are you afraid that they were going to fall in the car? No, it's just, it's their son just told me to just go to the house. Man, I just wanted to go to the house. So I went to the house and my little sister. So I called me the sister for the pay phone because they didn't have a cell phone. I called him the sister for the pay for him. I said, I said, anybody else? She said, no.

I said, well, yeah. She said, I'm home in the room. Tell him on my daddy. So they're in the bed. I said, all right, come out of the back door. I was saying, because I was right up the road to the little storeroact, but Billy dropped me off. I just told me, I said, I didn't chill out for a couple of days, bro. It's a couple of days.

So, but it ain't take no couple of days. I took it down a day before I ran out of little money. So I go call the Billy up. He called him up, so he came back and got me on the next morning. He got me the next morning, that bro, and so Billy said, way out here. we got a couple more to do and then we're going to do a couple more him and then we're going to go back to

we're going to go right to the motel get all stuff and then we're going to change in motel room you say without making it feel better I said look it ain't anything about that there and say that's true that's true just scared the mess out of me you know what I'm saying so But anyway, what we did, we did a couple more jobs, man.

We did, in my fight, we did a circuit K, no, 7-Eleven. I have a question real quick. So after you've done four, five, six, how many ever long, like, are you kind of perfecting your craft with the Beavage Castle? Like, what are you looking for specifically? Is there, like, a store that makes it a target? Like, how has it evolved over the first few? Like, what are some of the lessons that you've learned? Like, what are you looking for?

how do you stick it out? Yeah. Things like that. Are you still as nervous as the first time? No. No. No. No.

What made me nervous first, what made me nervous, I wouldn't know like the first time the first one we did. But like I said, it was the first time for everything. You know, I think we know we're unstoppable. We can't get caught. Right. But the truth will make me nervous.

When the truth got behind us, that really made me nervous. But after that, right there, oh it was on the apartment it was on the apartment and everything I tell you what bro

I got so comfortable with it doing it you know what I'm saying won't worry about them no more hey I kept some drills on me every time

we ride you're getting high you know what I'm saying hey bro let me tell you we knocked off the 711 store right we had to

we had to knock off the Beva Castle and Timber Terrace came down the road knocked off the 7-Eleven store right? The police was on their way to the Beaver Council we were

on our way to the 7-Eleven store in Temple Terrace in Timbiltris I know where by the way the one's on 56th Street I know where the Beverage Castle on 56th year I've driven through it many many times and I know where the 7-11 is

right where Whiteway 7-1 on White Way Listen, when I was a little kid, my mom, I grew up, no, I grew up on Druid Hills Road, which is only two roads over. My mom used to give me like a dollar, and I would, we were, we were only a couple blocks away. I would either, I would ride my bike up there. And you go in, you're like six years old, like back when we were young. Yeah.

You could let a five, six year old, he could be two miles from the house. Yeah. You just let him go. Let him go. I would go up there. She'd go up to the store and get some milk or do this. And I'd go up, I'd get some candy and milk. Exactly.

come back and I know exactly where that 7-11 is and the beverage company. Yep, that way, that we had got hot. I told her, bro. I told her, they own their way to the Bever Council. We want all the way to the 7-Elevel. But really, the 7-11 got robbed. They wanted to get robbed. See what I'm saying?

They wanted to get wrong. Yeah, because I just wanted to get a pack of cigarette and this asshole in the store talking shit, you know what I'm saying? So I say, I'll tell you what? Just back up, just give me the money at the register. That's what you do. So I just push his ass on the back. When he parted the wrist open,

they hit the mother part of the reds it open. When it came, I just push his ass on the bag of it. Snatched, hey, snatched the money. Junk, half the car can I got the money at the rest. Hey, we're out of there. No bad ass on or nothing. But they got cameras. Oh, yeah.

Oh, okay. And that's how we got picked up. That's how they got the, they didn't really get the face. They didn't really flash off face on the news and that. But, bro, we got, hey, we got. We got smoking hot then, then, and then they did. We went back, went on, let me see, there was one, there was one right there off Riverview, another one in Riverview, but the one we hit last time was in the one.

This is set out of why, like going to Riverview right there. No, Progress Village. That was a Progress Village. It said out that Y there. She, we went in that one right there. Down right there, we had the grass out right there. Hey, we were a, we went up, we didn't know, oh, bro. We didn't have kind of violent in that right there

because they had a safe So what I'm saying So we had to do our thing We had to really put the threat down on them And it was like a nerdy guy And you know what I'm saying In my fact, they were so good We hit their little ass twice

And the little nerdy guy talking Oh, they go again Yeah We went back to the second time He told oh you're all back again Yeah so you know the routine then So go on to do what you got to do You know what I'm saying

After them hey We started rolling after that, though. Talking about really rolling. Then a couple time, Billy left me to the motel. He went to the day to do this, all the little thing. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax.

Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. Came back. And then, um, we had a wood job around in New York one time. man, he had a little mom and parcel right there that started to buy itself. I'm about for a couple of thousand dollars. But each lick we did, you know what I'm saying? It was, you know what I'm saying?

It wasn't no $4,500. It was always over $1,500. Basically, we did. That's kind of like made it work for all of us, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, well, that was 20-something years ago, right? 30 years, right? 30 years? Yeah, 30 years ago, yeah, that's 30 years ago, bro.

So, yeah. How old are you? I'm 50s, 58. 58? Mm-hmm. Yeah, okay. How often is it every weekend, every night? We're doing this shit just about every day.

And are you burning? We wanted to get high, man. Yeah, I'm not saying, are you burning? Are you stacking up money? Are you just burning through as quick as you're getting in? No, no, we burn it. We've got hoars over here, you know what I'm saying? We got cropped over here.

Hey, we're walking around. We're all full, walking around the house. Smoking and getting high, man. I mean, hey, we're tearing it up, bro. We're tan it up. This way we made our mistake at, though. This is when they throw it down. Now, we'll knock them off, bro.

We'll knock them off. We might hit a little small change or whatever, no, some of the carers over. We might hit a little circle cage, no, one circle cage back then. Magic Market. Remember the stove? Convenient Stone called Magic Market.

A little purpose sign. A little purpose sign there. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds familiar, but I can't picture it. Like, I can picture everything else you've said. I immediately see them.

Yeah, yeah. They're from out of Texas, too. You know, all, just like, shock and gold, suitcase, they're all on from my test. But they're one of, one of the first, like, post-circary, 7-11. Well, 7-11 been here a long time. You know what I'm saying? But I don't want to test the first door they put down in the magic market. They weren't that many of them at the time.

But if we used to knock off a cup in the rack there, man, just to get us buying, whatever. And then, like I told, we did a couple more, maybe three or four more, man. And Billy wanted to change motel room, right? I said, no, man. I said, man, we don't been here about six months, man. And we good at him. Now, he got a park for the man. I got a pocket for him.

Why do you want to change a motel room? You know, man, man, I got a feeling about this motel room. I got a feeling about this motel room here. I said, no, man. Now, by this time, him, they don't got us, they don't got us. They don't got us on the news, right? But they really don't got our face on the news, but they got a black and white guy,

saw the pepper team. That's what they were calling. We'll go back to the motel room. We'll do a lick and go back to the motel room and sit down getting high and watch them talk about us on the news. You know what I'm saying? Hey, and Billy said,

hell, I don't, they got my weight wrong. I said, so what, my fuck's got your weight wrong? Let them have your weight, man. Man, shoot. We know you ain't number of a buck, a buck, a buck, a little as you will. And I was, what, maybe about 110 pounds, 115 pounds. They're talking about I'm wearing 200 pounds.

They were going to seem like giants. They were going to seem like, like we're giants. We know we're doing some shit, you know. But this is the kicker. This is how I tell you how we got busted. This is how we got busted, man. And I don't think we would never got busted man with another chain motel room.

Okay. Which I knew they would have caught up with us. I didn't know my mom's friend who she went to school with was a detective. He stayed out there in the country, you know what I'm saying? Okay. And my mom had to went to him. So they already found out who he was. Oh, your mom said, I think this is my son and his friend?

Yeah. Oh. Yeah, so he investigated. So he told my mom and said, I tell you, I'll get up, I'll find him for, they find, they find they're going to shoot it. Yeah. You know, they're going to shoot. They're going to shoot him called.

You're lucky to get a shot going in. Because we're called Billy had to see, Billy had to hear some stuff I didn't know about when he left him in the motel room. Yeah, I didn't know he don't want to beat somebody and all that shit there. The robbing, you know what I don't know. I didn't know that, though.

Right. You know, so that marred to me too, because both us together. Right. You know what I'm saying? So what one of us do it's going to affect the other guy. Right.

See what I'm saying? And so Billy, I want to say in a hotel room. I said, man, I like it him, man. I said, we got done. the whores, you know what I'm saying? Hey, I don't have to go too far to go to the grop. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Hey, look, bro, I'm good. You know, I'm good, babe, I'm good. No, no, man. We've got to change more to tell them. So, we're from the golden penny to the Aden. The Aiden end, I don't know, Columbus Drive. Bro, we're bawling.

And I told my, we don't have, we don't head. When we, we knocked off on, or, we knocked off what that, the Bell Castle, we knocked off the Bell Castle. and then we knocked a couple of stores on the way back. So we made, so we make it all pocket fat. So when we got on, we got back, so we were going to get up that morning, and we're going to head the same feet, Clearwater. See what I said?

Early that morning, we were going to go terrorize them over there. Because this whole area, you've hit pretty much everything in this area. Yeah, yeah, so we can't really do too much over here no more. Right. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I'd be scared that if you rob one of them. them and maybe one or two twice

that the people that are there are going to start to think, you know what, I'm going to get a gun. Like, I'm going to have a gun. These guys are hitting these places multiple times. They're probably going to come back here. I at least want to have a weapon. Who knows? Who knows? It's true. That's true that. But thank God they got our ass first.

We showed for to repeat all that shit. So you were going to go to St. Pete? Yeah, we were going to go to St. Pete. But it's not him, man. Okay, we change motel rooms. went to the A-D-D. So the A-Rowd dude, you know what I said? I'll go pay for the room. You know what I'm saying? They already know it's black and white. So we don't need no people about saying too black a dude and a white dude walk in somewhere with money in their pocket from

the paper. This dumb. He followed me in the damn place. You know what, man? I just thought about it. You paid for the laugh. I don't pay for the self. Oh, man. So that did, I guess he probably watched the news, but then that gave him suspicious. Oh, this is a black and white dude right here. You know what I'm saying? This is how I was thinking. Right.

This is how they, you know, after leaving quarters and stuff, you know. And so we parted all that night, man. I told him we parted all that night. Now, when we checked then, the parking lot was full, so what's full. You know what I'm saying? We got the bottom floor. You know? And so I said that, they don't know.

bro, I want to pick up some drugs and picked up a couple of girls and stuff. Man, hey, we live still in the room, we parted and stuff, bro. So I leave, when I want to go pick the females up, Paul and out was the same. About 4 o'clock in the morning, I took them, I was taking them home, dropping them back off where I picked them up from, Parlock, still full. Now, this is what shit, this was, this was, this was shit got me, right? This would see the open my eyes up. So I turned back in to the 8-end,

the side by the wall, it was full, slam-full, you know what I'm saying? Only part of it was over was mine in front of my door to a motel room right now. I say, damn. Okay, so. So I really didn't really think nothing ever, you know what I'm saying? I said, but I paw up, man.

far up and got out. So, me, so we're getting out of the shop. I was, we're getting high, still getting high. So about 7 o'clock that morning, we got a phone call. I answered phones, and I said, I know, Billy answered the phone. And I, I asked me, I said, oh, man, you got open room service? I didn't call in the damn room and service.

So I get the, for you. I did answer to me. I get the phone. And so the police said, Mr. Walters, and say, hey, bro, I tell him, hey, when they said that there, hey, bro, my heart had dropped to my goddamn sock, man. I can see it bumping in my damn sock now. I said, man, what the hell?

He said, Mr. Martin, don't panic. Don't get nervous. Hey, just come look at the curtain. Bro, I looked at that there, bro. Hey, police is over there. on Columbus Drive. I guess everybody that was standing in the damn motel standing out there on Columbus Drive.

Those were the news cameras, all of them standing out there on Columbus Drive. I like, damn. I said, Billy. I said, man, you might want to come look at this, man. Hey, they told Billy, I told me, I said, you go out there first, I ain't going.

But they ain't had to tell them out there at there because they called them out there first. So, hey, they knew all name. They knew all that, though. They should, they knew everything by the shit. I saw it back on the bed man continuing to get hot. But if I want to go, hey, I'm from the shot of smoke up all my stuff. Can you take it with you?

So, hey, when they called Billy out there, man, and they told Billy come out with his hands up, you know what I'm saying? Lay on the ground, bro. Hey, Billy, when I went out there on, or lay on ground, man. I was looking at the currency and how they do Bill. Really, shit, about behind him. I really got half on the ground, some cats from out of the tunnel or the apartment thing. They come out with the dog ball behind them and stuff.

The one caught stuck on the damn neck and all that unnecessary stuff, man. And so I said, shoot, let me do this before I go out there. You know what I go see? I go, shoot. Without my little works, man. Took me another little hit. Hey, shit. Then they called him out there, man.

The only thing that saved me or that detected was. at school with my mom. He wanted to save. Do they tell you to leave the weapon in the... Look, my fate. My fact. The only thing they fought was just a parking knife. Oh, okay.

Yeah. The gun was gone. What happened to the gun? It went back to my dad. Oh, okay. Yeah. Barred it, rob a place. Yeah.

Yeah, I called me a little sister. I tell him the sister where it's at. You know, hey, because my old man, he'll kill you about the gun. I just get more scared of him. Then the police catch him about these robberies back then But anyway, they got their own They bought this, bro.

They booked this, uh, I went back to see my mom before I went to jail. You know, the detective took me back to the house. Right. You know what I'm saying? In his car. He took you back to see your mom? Yeah.

Oh, that's nice. They were best friend, yeah. You know, so he thought I wasn't, what old country boy, man. It wasn't really, you know what I'm saying? Didn't mean to get in no trouble in that, man. in the newspaper you said you were the you were in the newspapers and stuff yeah I mean the little still got a newspaper what were they calling you

saw the pepper team saw the pepper team man it wasn't the bandits it wasn't salt and pepper bandits or just or song stuff that would it was soft and pepper bandits yeah but it was she got she still I don't believe she still hold on to that clipie man that that yeah what happened how many was it how many they book you on they gave um they booked for um 27 counts on a robbery. Yeah. So what they say when you did go, when they got you in the jail,

like they give you a lawyer? Yeah, they gave it was a lawyer, but they had some separate sales. But see, Billy people, they know, they kind of wealthy, you know what I'm saying? Which I didn't find out later on. Billy came from him kind of like wealthy family. Right.

He just, he just was a bad seat. Like I was a bad seat in my family, you know what saying, and they had him on, they hadn't got a lawyer. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So they got a lawyer for both of us. Oh, okay. You know, so that's, that I was pretty much straight, you know.

And, but, hell, Judge Cole, Harry Lee Cole, didn't care about no damn lawyer. So that was my judge, man. Shoot, Harry Lee Cole gave, man. He gave him for 12 years for each robbery. that's like what like four or five hundred years or something like that but he ran him all into one 12 year oh okay and then on and gave us a lifetime probation

Billy had Billy I think Billy got more time than I did on on his why because he had gone off and robbed somebody separately or no no because he was on probation for something else oh yeah so so so they gave him more time they gave him more little time but uh I wonder about um 19 bro 19 12 years 19 how much time did you do back then I did 8 years on the toilet okay where'd you go tomoka is that where they did they did they don't they send you to like a processing station first oh oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah hell yeah you go through late brother late butler

bro and that age different first time in prison right you know so hey so you're going through late butler man a what's it was a hey bro let me tell you it get your ass off that bus, they get you off that bus man, they put you on, they got a long hallway, cold hallway, concrete benching. They have your ass script, put your property in front and script down. Oh, they want to smell them an ass in there. That's always smelling them an ass in there. I called the ass hallway.

But anyway, bro, he went through that man, hey, made through that process that I time, eh, them old boys didn't play. They, this was back in the 80s, bro. They didn't play. They still, they still had a, it made grade yard at there. They still had the gun squad at there, bro. I don't, hey, for a young man like me, man, to see so much activity like that there, bro. Hey, I don't seen him to the ball off the fence.

We had to play a softball. You know what I'm saying? I guess a dude, he just got fed up. I mean, Lake Butler was going, it was hard. You had to have some nuts to go through Lake Butler. Listen, I heard, I know guys that to this day will tell you it's horrible. The guards are brutal. They'll just beat your ass.

Like, they're not even afraid of being written up or having charges. They're pretty brutal. They wrote the laws on institution, man. Lake Butler did. So if it's brutal now, what was it like 30 years ago? Bro, worse. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying.

Worse. They had a job. Hey, they advertise a job sitting up. through intake for all the new, for all the new cars that's coming through there. See what I'm saying? They want you to see this job. Especially the big boy from, like, for Miami.

For Miami and, um, bro, Miami, Jacksonville, the boy with all that stuff in their mouth. Them all their damn teeth in that damn jaw. The one they don't knock that. With them belly clothes. they were scared of nothing and they had a dog bro they had

they advertised a dog they didn't take some of that gold and put in the damn dog mouth and when that bitch grow like we want to see them a goal and that's the word of truth bro that word of truth

I don't see some stuff as a young man going through that man and the camp there's something out with Tomoka and 2,700 inmates on it it was like

you're living in the damn projects. These boys, they were doing a wintertime or eight, you know, 55-gallon drums, bro. Shit, they said, hey, they were keeping the one on the outside. They got them on fire. All right. They burn the trash in the drum, bro. Hey, I'm trying to, people run around that joke, like, it's a whole new world. What's in there? I was in a whole new total world, bro. They didn't know nobody. You know what I went about 120 pounds. You know, hey, I know how to fight, but hell,

how the hell you're going to compete against? They've been there 25, 30 years. And this ain't was the time when I've got the government name that let them guys off death row and just gave them life sentence. Right. You know what I'm saying? So when he let, we took them off death row from Rayford. Right.

So what I'm saying? Oh, that's another thing. You ever been to Rayford? Now. Thank God. I was in a federal prison. Oh, when I hear stories.

See, federal differ from all that, there, bro. Yeah, I didn't listen. When the guys from state prison, they do, you know how sometimes you get like a state charge and then you have to go do federal time too. You get charged with multiple.

I think some guys would do like five or ten years in the state and then they would come to Coleman and they would tell stories about being in the state prison that they just left. My stomach, I started feeling. sick to my stomach. I'd be like, after about the fourth guy that would, bro, this happened. I'd be like, you just got here from State and they'd be like, yeah, man, listen to what

happened. And I'd be like, no, I can't do it. I just leave because it was so, and this is, this was 10 years ago. Guys were beating, you know, they're all talking about the guards. Like, you don't even look at the guards. And when you eat, you sit down, you got like five minutes that are counting down the minutes and you just eat as quick as you can. That's how Butlerill. Yeah. That's how butler. You got to sit down fair. You got to learn how to eat fast. Yeah. But when he comes, he walked by that table, and he do this on that table, you better, you better get, hey, I see God,

the guy, they ain't feeling, they don't got their place, they eat, they eat in the throwaway line. Right. To try and feel their food. But Rayford? Let me tell you about Rayford. I would add Raifle. Raffer is by itself, but I was right behind Rayford.

Right where the legislature was. Then they let the cute your boy, they bring the people up in Dixon. What's name? One. Which one? The one of the people from Wind Dix in Progress Village. Billy Ferry, is that the name?

That's probably him too. Yeah, let's see. Billy Ferry was convicted of seven, uh, convicted July 2nd, 1983 for a fire at Wind Dixie that killed five people. Yeah, but it's, uh, he was right there. And I was at New River East. Yeah, I was at New River East and see New River East, they had the old army barriers And dorms.

They had a shower on the inside. He had to come out. It would be coldest. It was cold as fuck out that, too, bro. You had to come out and go to the shower, don't take a shower. Come out, you're doing the shower, don't take a shower. And breakfasts out right there.

And that year there, that time I was there, bro, definitely electrocuted your boy. Why is it my boy? Well, I think the other day He was the one that there was over and on that set when this on 5 He kept people when this Yeah, I think that he was the one

But if he ain't, I might be mistaken But I know they let's you to somebody They call them Book Club on Monday Jim on Tuesday Date night on Wednesday Out on the town on Thursday Quiet night in on Friday

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Let me tell you bro Hey, when you look at our bro there was nothing hanged over with seagulls that's it there's nothing hanged over there with seagulls man that smells over there um why were you

so you were in a camp that was outside was at work camp no it was a transit camp oh okay a transit camp you know what I'm saying yeah like when you get ready to get transport

I go to your camp once you get once you go through the stuff that um Butler have you go through they send you to this transit camp You know, most of you don't stay out butler, you know what I'm saying? Now they got like, you just go through Butler's ass like they do now, go through that, get you get your little physical,

then they've seen you the New River West or something like that, the Wawa West somewhere in one of the transit camps there and waiting on for your ride to go to your permanent camp. So when you went to the camp, was it like a work camp that you went to? It was like a work camp. They were working on it. Yeah, they didn't have no cafeteria. They were still being in the cafeteria.

It was just a transit camp I'm saying when you ultimately got to The prison where you did all of your time Oh, oh Tomoka Yes Oh Tomoka was a close custody institution Oh okay so there was there wasn't a work camp Okay

Four years later I had them build a work camp Behind it You know what I'm saying I wasn't supposed to be out at the fence Right Yeah And that and that there That place there is honestly some of bloodshed

In that place there bro is a shame Yeah, I was going to say, I was at the medium, and I saw, and, you know, there's lots of fights and stabbings and stuff, but I went to the low security prison. I saw people are getting stabbed and covered with razors and, and shoot, I saw some of the most bloody, I don't think it was as damaging, but there was a lot of bloody fights with guys hitting each other with locks and, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was a low. That was low cuts of the camp. Now, Tomoka, man, I'll tell you how Tomoka was. Tomoka was so big.

It had T-builders on each end. It had... It had what on each end? T-builders. T-builders are the dorms. You got your own key to your door when you walk in. You got a guard station right there. But you go, it got three floors.

Right. Don't what I'm saying? Go upstairs. You might be on the third floor, whatever. You know what I'm saying? D-da-da-da. But T-bill was like a whole house. in a drug house.

Okay. That's all it was. You go in the T-builder, man, get the drugs. You got the key pin up on the third floor. You know what I'm saying? He got all the boys standing around him, and there's punks all around him and stuff, man. Like, I'm like, man, what the hell of this shit here?

All that was just a sack of weed, bro. You know? And, hey, it was crazy. It's like you never left the damn screech, man. It's just a fence around him. Right. That's all that. They had everything you want.

I had too much, everything. You had everything. You drank liquor? What you drink? You want some hair, man? Of course, yeah. It gets your body here. Just that easy.

Just that you had to mocha. Hey. And it also, bro, hey. It also was one of the murderous camps I've been to. It was the after the other camp I've been to. Bro, hey, I was sitting in a barbed chair. I sitting in a barbed chair, man. Hey, I'm feeling like my home was.

from Tampa, Shade him up, and give me a haircut. So, even your home, home boys don't let, don't warn your shit. So I was sitting there with, you know, he don't let the thing back here from to give me a little shade, give me a little trim. I was sitting there, and the other dude sitting in the chair over here, man, I was like, you know, and, shoot, his barber walked out, and my barber walked out. So what was he sitting there? He's sitting there, I was sitting in the chair. So I said, yeah, what the hell going on him?

So that's the thing I know, bro, hey, one big motherfucker comes through that door. One big motherfuck up to that door. So I was like, what? Hey, they just went over to that door there as they start. Hey, when they got finished, they looked at me. I looked at that way. I said, I ain't seen nothing. I ain't heard that.

I just snatched that day off. Went right on out of the door. When I went right on that day, I went right to my door. Hey, bro, grab my, grab my super two, turned on through my headphones on. Hey, laid over a foot crossing in bed with a book like this right here. I ain't seen that. I ain't seen that.

Old time, I seen the guy. I seen the guy on the pound all the time. Hey. I ain't seen that. I ain't seen anything. I ain't seen so much stuff, bro, he. I don't see any of the dude, they, the diver.

The Olympic diver. Oh, who? The Olympic diver. The one that ran the kids over here and thankful and killed him. Kimmy, his name, Kimmy's or something, his ass was there. I can't think of any of the Chinese.

Bruce Kimball. Yeah. His ass came to tomorrow. You know, they did the hell what he got there? Bro. They drug his ass, rawed him, and his ass too. I swear I'll tell him. Tell him about, hey, they raw your boy.

I tell you. called at Tomoka, you can have, you can have the best of shoes, you know what I'm saying, you can have your gold, you can get out to have one gold chain, one gold bridge, one gold chain, nice watch. You can say you can have all that, you can have that stuff there at Tomoka. Could you have cash? It was cash. It was a long time ago.

It was cash, bro. No cash anymore. Hey, you had, hey, you had joking in prison from right there buying houses on the streets from right there, buying cars. right there. I just go see a loan shop, all the time. I was little money. But I paid it there because I ain't want to get it.

Right. You know what I'm saying? I paid it there. But, man, but, sure, I don't see an old white dude coming up, man. Hey,

the brothers, they're talking about number of brothers. These these guys, not the ones that asked to come up, but these guys, they took off death row, bro.

When you want death row, you don't see nobody. You're all, you're just in the one cage for 10 or 12 years. You know what I'm saying? You in the one cage, you don't see nobody. You know what I'm saying?

When you go to wreck, when you go to wreck off death row, just one of y'all go out there. You got to do a little push-up, shoot you a little basketball by and yourself. That's it. Now you can imagine these food with the mind, bro, and there's one cave for about 12, 15 years every day. And then they turn their asses loose on the main compound. You know what's going to happen?

Mm-hmm. And they got nothing to lose. They don't got nothing to lose. Yeah, they got a life sentence. Yeah, they got a life sentence. They don't got nothing to lose anyway from a death row. See what I'm saying? And, bro, hey, they took this young, they took this young white boy, man, just told.

The God said, dude, they, back there, big motherfucker like that there, hey. I told me, these jokes like Hercules or somebody, man, they're off the death row, bro. Hey, the guards was getting scared of him. You know what I'm saying? But, hey, you have to take a young man like that dude, even though they're going to cost you. You don't got much time, you know what I'm saying? You probably got three or four years.

But now you're going to upgrade your yields to a murder charge. Right. Because you're tired of what they're doing to you. Fuck that. They ain't going to get my ass no more. They ain't going to run my booty no more. Fuck that. So he did.

And one thing about guys like that, They love to go on the weight power. They had loose weights then. You know what I'm saying? They love to go out on the weight power. They love to push all this steel. You know what I'm saying? The little man, what a little man did,

he said when they got 100, all to take 100 pounds. A hundred pounds or a curl ball with 100 pounds on it. He got his head still like this right here. Drop the right on his neck. Right on his neck. And they, when they can't, They didn't have to go. They didn't have to come get him.

He walked to the office station itself. Yeah. Well, how much more time they give you for that? For that back then, bro, if it's just, if it's real justified or whatever, you know what I'm saying, threat for your life, you know what I'm saying? They really don't give you nothing. Right. I was just going to say I knew a guy who, hey, they were giving these guys like six months or 18 months. It was in federal prison.

This was like 30 years ago. The inmates killed each other. They weren't given. any more time. They would lose time or they would lose game time. Yeah, that's about it.

Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's about it. Yeah, that's about it. Because they're going to, they're going to lock up. Yeah. But at that, they were,

they weren't taking you on the outside court. Now, you brutal, murder somebody without nobody doing nothing to you. Right.

Then they take, when they take to the outside court, yeah, they probably need some more time then. But other than that, that job was crazy, man. That was crazy. It was wild, bro.

And you did eight years? I did eight years on that. What happened when you got out? When I got out? You went and started, got a job driving a forklift and just. Hey, man, when I got out of there, bro, let me tell you. When I got out, ain't nothing change about my habit. Yeah, I went right back smoking there.

I cracked. But this time, hey, this time I kind of learned from it, you know what I'm saying? For going out of stealing people's stuff, robbing them. You know what I'm saying? Let's go learn how to work. Make my own money. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So that's what I do now. I pick my own money. But I, oh, I went back, I went back on the same charge, you know what I'm saying? I got out, I got out moved to Daytona. I liked it so much. I moved there. I lived there for about seven years, you know what I'm saying, married, wife home and everything. Came back on, went back to prison on the same charge for, um,

You'd rob somebody? No, no, no, for violation. They had a lifetime probation. Yeah. And so our technical violated that, then went back with 15 years. And it's for a fill in a piss test or something? Yeah, yeah.

Fitting a fist test. Went back for how long? 15 years. On a technical violation? Yeah, that was lifetime probation carry. 15 years. Yeah. Yeah.

Look it up. Really to tell you. That doesn't. A lifetime probation or care. You only do 15 years only. You ain't gonna do no lifetime. But 15 years the most you can do on it. Wow.

Yeah. So it carried the 15 years. See, by then, by then, Cole had to move to state attorneys. Judge Cole, so I had a new judge, so he ain't know what to do with me. When he looked out with rugby, he seen all in their damn charges. So in the last time for race, so he gave him the 15 years. So I had to appeal to 15 years, which I went back and did four more years. Okay.

And so I made the whole 12 years. Yeah. And so I got that. I didn't do the whole fifth I did, four years. Still for a fucking dirty urine? Yeah, for a dirty urine. Yeah, it gave me 15 years for that shit. My life with that, though, bro, hey, that's been a long time ago, man.

Like I said, man, hey, shit was scary. Hey, and I, uh, eh, bro. I, eh, I had some fun. I don't regret it, bro. I ain't gonna bullshit you, man. A lot of people sit and tell me, Look, you did the shit. Don't do your time, get in it over with.

Later on you, you come out on the top. You know what I'm saying? In prison? Man, that was a fucking adventure for me. Right. You know what I'm saying? Hey, after a while, bro, hey, all, hey, out of putting on some weight, bro.

My gloves got big, you know what I'm saying? Feel like I'm going to touch my boy. Hey, shoot. I can throw a couple of hands and that now. Shit. Well, I was a little pinny, little skinny, a little skinny, a little joker, he walked around and shaking, shoot, like a little dog in the corner, bro.

But I tell you, well, the time was about so fast. It's unbelievable. I had them, I went to school in there. I helped them build a, I went to the missionary school, lay blocks and stuff. I took a, I had them build a work camp right behind it. One of them forced to be outside the fence. Right.

When I was supposed to beat up man, hey, I had them build out of a bar. But the major that ran the compound, I still had that, what, about four more years to go. And so we built that work, I had to build that work camp. So he told everybody else, said, look, I could do, I could transfer y'all, I could say, some of y'all to work release,

some of y'all I can't want to be able to do nothing for. I wanted that he couldn't do nothing for. But he gave me a sweet-ass job on the outside. That's what I met on Greg, Tim, and Dunn Yeah, working on the Beach Squad Who's that? They were outside free world people

Okay They came in the pickup from the work camp He never stayed over to the work camp When he finished it He only took a year to build it When he finished it He never stayed with to the work camp Major did and they got me a little sweet job

You're just like then you have experience Now I'm I've trained to be a mason and now I've actually done work. I'm actually I have experience. Yeah. And then Greg taught me to most of the home improvement work because we worked for the state. He was maintenance guy for the state for hideaways, juvenile detention, boys and girls' home, all shit.

Like anything that state owner, then Volusia County, he maintains it. And they had, what, 26 facilities. And so me and this other inmate, we just rode around into all these facilities that helped them change out like fishers, paint, changing out

sockets and stuff like that. We did all that. There was no, because someone who kept the grass cut for him. We had Ryan Moore. Makes the time go fast. Yeah, he didn't want to help me out with some of that there.

And then once I got the no-hilt shoot, where I mean, he came in real tight. He would come to get more on the weekends. You go by me a whore, man. Hey, go by my horror, brain to the high knockoff, man. I walked in, hey, he gave him $30 every day to walk in the gate with every day. Say, man, baby, it was cool. He was cool with me.

Yeah, sure, he was cool with me. Hey, I get out on the weekend, boy, hey, I take off the blues. To say, I take the blues, oh, put some jeans on a t-shirt. Just like, I ain't nobody impressed. Hey, shoot. Give me a piece of ass. As you buy me a piece of ass, oh, hey, smoking some weed, draping some head. Hey, I was doing good because, you go, if we couldn't get all that stuff

over done to the work count just yet, you had to be on the main compound. You get all that stuff, so to the work camp was brand new, so they really didn't have that going on just yet. So I started off to, hey, I just got some weed, so I started bringing weed in in my boot. Right, yeah. You know, little broken boots they'd be having, black boots. Yeah, just open it up and cut the soul in the bank of it out right there. I just take a center block and let that somebody sit on that all day while I'm at work.

They take that center block off there, man. It'd be that flat, be thin and flat, put the round of the soul in my boot. And so when the officer comes, the first thing you do, what the first thing you do with it in from the script search? You're going to kick your down boots. The first thing they grab them. They grab them. They throw them to the side.

Yeah. Shit, we need to do that right now. I say, hell, you want to see the crack of my ass too often? She ain't. The weed already is. Yeah, he'll throw the grass. The ground, yo. So, shoot, I started making money, a little money to the work camp.

Yep. Just like an undercover hole selling grass. Yes, sir. Stop making that money that man. Hey, shoot, real straight. Yeah, never got caught doing that. Huh? Never got caught?

Man, I was making so much money. I was sending money home. I would like the motor to the menu and shit. So one thing about it, the work camp brand new. Now, they got the DOT squads, they got the B squad, they got outside ground guy, you know what I see? But wasn't about getting a hold of no marijuana like I was. See, I all getting a whole look at me, hey, remember brain shit. You know what a joint cost of me, don't know what a little joint?

You don't got a good fat joint there, just a little pill joint. See, that's $10. Just for a little, you just barely got some little weed in there. $10. You know. I know these guys, guys, when they outlawed tobacco. Oh, you know. Yeah, it was ridiculous.

People will pay, you know, like you said, they'll pay 10, 20 bucks for a portion of a cigarette. Yeah. $10. Yeah, this is a cigarette. Just to have a smoke. cigarette man that's crazy they're still doing that right now today yeah

they're still doing that shoot so the 26 you know all the robberies how how long was that was that six month time span or seven months yeah seven months

seven months running that running robberies man seven months seven months cost 12 years yeah oh man seven months um

But, hey, got a high to the motherfucker, though. Right. That's what they're about... That's what they about. That's what you got high, man. And you know, hey, I tell you what? I advise everybody, like, I tell my nephew, man, hey, don't do what I do. Right.

Look at your uncle now. What that I always tell you? Don't do what your uncle do now, because, hey, your uncle out there. He's into some shit. Ain't know what he's going to do. See? And right now, right now the day, hey, I still... Kind of like in that mind stage, bro, you know what I'm saying?

I still ride by a place and just sit down and just look at them, you know what I'm saying? And say, man, I need to see, I need to check them out of the end's eyes. You know what I do shit like that. I'm sure. I do, I sit there and just look out of place, man, like easily, especially easy, easily. I don't care you tilt there a couple of times. You what? Like I can't tilt it.

Oh, you started. You were going to do it? To knock another story. off or whatever, but I see all that money coming in, you know, I'm like, bro, nah, I better not do that, though. They never going home.

And you don't, now you, now they, you know, like they'll get to like a hundred bucks. Yeah, boom, they put it. They always drop the money and then. It can't get, it can't open it. And then everybody got down cameras. Right. Everybody's got cameras and almost all the money

going through there is all digital anyway. Yeah. There's not. It's not nothing there no one. So like, that's like the dude. shot to do with in New York City. He thought he got away. Oh, yeah.

He thought he got away. They caught his head. And he doesn't jump three or four states. He can't have jumped three or four states, man. They only showed half his face. Yeah. Yeah. For just a second.

Boom. That was it. That was it. And they still called it. Just like that. Man, you can't get away of shit no more, man. This is okay. So, wait.

You see, you don't hear about, you know, back of the day, you'd hear about, A lot of robberies. Right. You don't hear about that shit, hollet no more. Yeah. People robbers, snow, robber, especially ban. Oh, you all, hey, if you ever been to bait robber,

no about the crazy, coolest the motherfors you want to be a bait robber. They had one, my friend here with my home boy, called a costume bank robber. A what? You never heard of that? You never heard of hell? The carstoon? Costoon. Oh, costume.

Costume. Costum. Bain robber. You never heard of hell? Hollywood. Maybe. By, I don't know. This cat, let me tell you.

Let me tell you. Matter of fact, he's a cousin. My friend, he's stayed in the house. Y'all's stayed in. Your dad don't stay in. Did he dig up all in the back in there trying to find the money? This dude, now, his lit was, his lit was, now, hey, he, he, he, or, his old lady would that debate.

She gets jobs at the beans. Right. He comes and dressed up like a woman. And roared the bean. Yeah. I told her. So she'd give him the lowdown on what the cash door is. Yep.

I told my brother, hey, he had it so there. And you know what? And the thing about it, man, they never knew who he was. He never would got caught because they didn't know who he was. They didn't know how the operation was going on. He did it for about almost two years. You know what I'm saying? Doing this in him.

And they didn't, they didn't know who he was. How did he get a call? Stepdaughter. She just told somebody or told him? Step daughter, stepdaughter found out what was going on. She found out what was going on. And she asked him for, she asked him for some money. He wouldn't get to her.

But she called the cops on him. That's how they got caught. Other than that, though, they would have never got caught, bro. What is the biggest amount you got from one store? $4,000. When you're looking at these convenience stores, whether it's back in the day or even today, what makes a store vulnerable and what makes them secure?

What makes the store of waterways are? It's the people that are the person that run at the store. If they just look soft or like they would just... Yeah, you know, you know, You know, they're real vulnerable if they're, you know, spread now. They're real vulnerable if we're, if we're all over there like I was. They would really make a vulnerable, and they didn't, when they're there by their self. It's just one person now.

And sometimes if you're going to do it, if you're going to do it, it's going to depend on the location where the store is, too. Do you what I'm saying? Did you ever have a store where you went in and the cashier refused? No. No. And none of refuse. we had we interviewed a guy where he went in and he had a gun and everything pull the gun on the chick

she's like no i'm not giving anything i'm not no oh no he just he got frustrated and went to the bank down the street went down bramble rob them got him she's like arguing with me she was she went to know he ain't had the ball was a choke up yeah billy with a browned ass and looking at hey you're gonna give him i'm gonna take it at you one so Listen, I saw a TikTok the other day where the, do you ever see this when the girl goes? He goes, the guy's got a gun, got a gun, give me the money. And she says, I don't think that's a real gun. He says, you want to see how real it is?

Bow, and he hit her in the head with it. It was like, it gave him the money. Oh, man. Yeah, but, well, what I do, see, that's what I do. I just don't run in a different robber store. I learned that ass I was going along with. Billy. Or he just like to just sit there front of him, just look at him. You know, I picked up on what he were doing. He was surveilling the store. Right. You know, they didn't know

what's coming in, what's going out. You know, so he, the Abilis told me. So, man, you just don't run in there to be surprised. So robbing the story, he can't be surprised. So, like you say, you might have a gun. Yeah. You might run in there think there's one person and there's actually some guy walks out. Oh, exactly. Yeah. He's got a piece. Like, you don't know. Yeah, exactly. When it goes bad, it goes bad, really bad. Oh, yeah, it could get bad, quick, though. But really, but we, on the toast that we had with two guys,

and one over there, Parn River. Yeah, River, you think River, yeah. Yeah, Far and River, yeah. I didn't want to know, real, real view, yeah, that's sitting out in the Y right there. That's the only level because they had two people in here right there. But, bro, it was, it was, it was, It was a venture for me, though, man.

I learned a lesson off of it, though. I love a lesson off of it, man. But Daddy got on, when I got out, let me see. When I went to prison on, that, when I got the first time, yeah. I sit back there on the, I sit back there on the barn, bro. Sit back there on the barrel of hay, looking at the cows, right? I ain't help my old man walk up behind me, you know what I said? I sent up with some dope.

right, trying to hit my shit. You know what I'm saying? Right when I hit my shit. I was saying, boy? Man, I understand what the dope with that fucking way? That's a little. Well, let me tell you something. Which I learned a lot off my dad, too,

because he used to redo them trailers, floors, and shit like that. He said, boy, let me tell you something. If you're going to smoke that shit, go out of work for it. Don't go out there robbing people for their money, man. He said, you know enough stuff that I don't talk about you

you know, lurk that they're up there in those prisons. You know, what I'm saying? They go out and start your own thing. You know, me and your mom, we don't charge no rent-hill, man. We're going to charge no rent-hael, just, oh, oh, or, hey, go out to work for it, man. You know, we ought to get some trouble for that stuff. Right. And what you were right?

You know what I'm saying? Shoot, you want to get hired, go work for it. Working back all the living out. If you want to get high, that's your money you're spending, you know? That's you don't got a roof on your damn head. That you ain't driving no car, which I don't got a car now. I still have got them trouble. Anyway, you know.

I'm sorry. I was I said, you good? I mean, you feel like where you've... Did you hit all the highlights? You feel like you feel like you're, are you good with this? Yeah. You feel like you hit all the highlights? Yeah.

What do you think? Yeah, unless you want to know about blowing a driver license thing, going on right now, shit, I'm on probation for that shit right now. You want to know about that shit there. See, and I'll probably be going to do it. jail with that. I just pissed the dirt of you on their ass last week. So he said, we want to know about that now. But I'll give you that story later on. Let me see if I go to jail first. Yeah.

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