Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Former "Cartel Crew" Member Reveals What Really Happens Behind the Scenes

Episode Date: August 1, 2026

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I got arrested 61 times. I've been in movies. I've done reality TV. I knew how to commit crime so well. I was not going to stop. So born and raised, Miami, Florida, specifically a city called Hiaia. Raised by a single mom. My life of crime started at a really early age.

I left the house at 8. I was on the streets at 9. I already trying to figure shit out. I had my first pistol at 11, which I have tied on me, a fucking Desert Eagle. Mind you, I couldn't even carry that shit at that time. Yeah, so I learned and Why? Why? Why were you out at 8? That's exactly. That's exactly the question is why.

Eight years old, you don't, you never know. But I mean, I guess the neighborhood I was in, it wasn't a bad neighborhood, but we were exposed to a lot of, you know, crime. And I started selling drugs at 9. Right. So yeah, if you're familiar with Hialeah, yeah. I mean, I'm not apparently. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a very heavy,

Latin-oriented neighborhood. Started selling drugs at 9. Started doing it at 11. Started fucking, you know, tolling guns and hanging out with the gansters at 13. I mean, was your dad there? No, my dad left the house at 8. Your mom just kids.

She can't control you. Right. Okay. My mom is Brazilian. So she came here with her sister, very early age. She was, you know, she took the right path.

She didn't have much life experience, which is why she couldn't handle the heat that came with. raising a son on our own and i just fucking took off man you know 15 heavy in the streets already catching gun charges all sorts of shit so my life of crime started like about the age of nine and they got 25 when i finally caught my fair case but in between there i got arrested 61 times for is this just all sorts of shit just drugs or drugs got like drug dealing aggravated assault on leos fucking all sorts of shit you know a bunch of fights so i was the leader of a gang

fucking organized crime. So imagine the shit that I was into at that time. Is this a specific gang? You don't want to mention the name of the gang? Yeah, no, I mean... Yeah, it was a gang. Okay.

It's a very notorious Latin crime organization in Miami who ran Hailea, which I'm sure she knows who Hailea is. She knows exactly what I'm talking about. And, yeah, man, it was fucking crazy. You know, it was a lot of drug dealing, extortion, fucking...

I mean, everything, you can name it. Anything that you see in the movies, I did, I was part of. So how does that work? I mean, what are some of these, like, arrests? So first time I was arrested was at the age of 13. I was at a kinsest party. I'm not sure what that is. Again, there's a Latin thing where they celebrate the whole 15s of,

when women have their 15th party. Right. And I actually got arrested for stealing fucking Vaseline. Not Vaseline, a vizine to put in my eyes. Because my eyes were fucking red. We're all high and we're, you know. you got arrested for having it i got arrested for stealing it oh okay at the little local was at the beach went across the street at the mart and my dad literally bawled me out i used to get my dad for the

bullshit like my dad was present he just wasn't he didn't know how to fucking was it wasn't like a father he didn't know how to handle me as well like anything that he would do to be in good faith or you know have uh like somewhat you know control over he would do it so he took me out of juvenile and brought me right back to the same fucking party that I got arrested at. So that just made me feel like unstoppable. You know, I'm like, okay, damn, is that fucking easy? I'm going to beat the system just doing this. So that was the first time I got arrested.

What is your dad doing? My dad's a great human being. He's just not a great father per se. There was no, I mean, at least in between the picking you up and bringing you back to the party, was there a lecture of what are you doing with your life? Not really, yeah. I mean, I have a younger brother and we speak about this shit all the time. You know, he's a man of many morals and ethos, but he's just fucking, bro, it sucks at being

that figure to me. So I ended up finding that in the street, which is why I became part of this organization, started as a foot soldier, ran the streets for a really long time, got arrested, fucking so much. Between just the ages of 13 and 18, I probably did my longest stretch of how many times I got arrested, Jack, Julie, all that. And I got arrested for fighting. I got arrested for drug dealing.

I got arrested for fighting some more. When you say foot soldier, what does that mean? That's like at the bottom of the hierarchy when it comes to, you know, organized crimes. Like you start as someone who just puts in work.

Right. So I interviewed a mob guy yesterday and, you know, obviously they have like a super structure. Right. But he was explaining that like, you know, you whatever, you run, whatever, a scam or you sell,

some dope or whatever and you kick up money. Is it like that or it's not like that? It's not really like that. We didn't really take from people. It was more of building your credibility to be in the bigger rooms. Talk about the more serious shit. So at that time, I'm just out there whileing out. I'm collecting my stripes per se.

Where are you living? In Hyaliyah. No, I'm saying with your mom? Well, I was with my mom and first mother, my son at the time, which is how I got introduced to this. Latin crime organization, you know, and I was exposed to it all. You know, again, at a very early age, I was really deep into this shit. I saw it all.

I was very curious. And it's crazy because, how you mentioned earlier, there wasn't a time that I ever said I wanted to be a drug dealer. But I was always impressed by like the gangsters, the guys that had, you know, the power, the money, not necessarily the money for the luxuries of it, but the money for the power of it. And I just wanted to, you know, be a lot of it. a gangster. I remember my teacher asking me this at a very early age.

And there was like, you know, second, third, fourth, fifth, I didn't have an answer. And I think by like fifth or sixth grade, I answered. And I'm like, I want to be a gangster. Other kids are saying, I want to be a firefighter. I want to be this. I want to be that. And I answered her and she chuckled a little bit, but she looked at me with a face,

like, he's fucking serious. Right. And you can see pictures that I post from me at 13 years old. I have my hair braided and I just had like a blank stare already. My older son 13 years old. He still has that purity to him, you know? So to look back and I'm like, fuck, I was so lost at

that age. But I was already so street smart. You know, I had seen a lot of shit. I had been into a lot of shit. But yeah, man, getting arrested for fucking fighting and I mean, I remember the first time I got into a fight with a kid in my neighborhood and I almost got into a fight with him again and almost got arrested the second time

and I turned on the police officer that came to, I guess, like, mitigate the situation. Got arrested for that. You know, so I I was a fucking high head, man. I was, I was into a lot of shit. So, I mean, are they, are they sentencing you to? Well, at that age, no. Juvi or are they just saying you're on probation? 21 days, you know, you get a little slap in the wrist. You'll go to Jack. They'll send you get juvie. You'll go to, uh, what they used to call it. A shorty can't figure out what

the fuck they called it. It was rough, you know, right? You get, like, really pressured into a lie of shit in there. And then you come out and you have more stripes. So all these things that I was doing was adding to my repertoire of, you know, notoriety and reputation. So I was just addicted to that, man. There was something that I was so addicted to and I didn't find out to later on in life and those power. I kind of took the same energy that I'm doing now

just in more of obviously a constructive and positive light, which is now helping people do the opposite. Right. But I was just fucking addicted to power, man. So what kind of, like, are you making good money? Are you making money or are you just making enough to survive? I was making decent money. You know, we're doing a lot of shit.

I have, obviously, I'm going to speak about the shit I got caught doing, you know, cultivating. You know, we had, my federal charge was importing and exporting Mali. I'm not sure if you remember the Mali era. Molly guns. That's what my case was. So I used to grow. Okay. Also, I used to have a lot of, you know.

Like a grow house, you have a grow house or multiple grow houses or one? Okay. That I got caught with 200, 200. 200 plants in it or something or something like that so that never came out i can't speak about it but i dig i dig a cultivating charge right um and and that was something that i did for a long time um and then ended up you know doing the importing exporting thing which is where i got charged for because i was i met a guy i knew what i think i interviewed a guy who had it like six or eight i don't know how exactly houses he had but he was talking about stealing the power from the power you know

getting the power from the power lines ignition an AC guy. They will come and they would rig your, it was like one little wire that they will have to rig. And all they would do is put a thicker wire. And that thicker wire would just run the same current, but it wouldn't be charged as much. Because when there's a lot of electricity running to that, that sends a red flag to the NARCs. Yeah, yeah.

So, no, okay, this house is cold. This house guy has got way too many ampage or wattage or whatever. Like, they're not. They've got fucking stories behind that, man. I mean, I've had my house is broken in. So I've had my houses get put on foreclosures. We rent them out from, you know, random people. Obviously, people that weren't on top of it.

I remember having to call a Comcast guy to come open up the electricity box. It was like a townhouse sort of set up. And because my main breaker had went out. So the Comcast guy had access to that. But we were like so, we knew how to con everything, man. Like we knew how to get around everything. So we called the Comcast guy, ordered fucking cable. the guy came, we held him up at gunpoint, gave him $100, told him, you never saw nothing,

leave this shit open. And I remember me and one of my guys going in there at like, fucking 2 o'clock in the morning trying to change this breaker and the whole fucking box blew up on this. Like one blew up and then just all started to blow up. I remember, like, I was blinded and deaf. And I remember touching my guy. I'm like, hey, hey, you're alive? And I couldn't hear him.

I'm like, holy shit, there's a dead body next to me. And after like two minutes, obviously, you know, it was just a couple burns or whatnot. But fuck, man. Yeah, that, that was, I got stories for days as far as the whole cultivating thing, just learning that. But, I mean, it was everything, man. I was, I wasn't saying everything. But eventually, so you get grabbed.

Right, yeah. We ended up getting snitched on, and they came and got fingerprints off of one of the lights, the lamps of the house that we had, but they didn't get none of the plants. Right. So we ended up moving shop, and literally, like, two days later, they came. and raided the house and found fingerprints. It was just someone, you know, working with them. So they ended up coming to my house and they ended up trying to catch me on my birthday.

I'll never forget this. 2014, my son, my second son, my mother, my son was pregnant and they came and I missed them by like two minutes. So I left for the weekend, rent-sega-Fa-Faunt and blue, came back after cleaning out the whole house. And they came and ran up on me, ARs, all type of shit. lay me down and they found a bag of the uh what you call it the fucking uh when you cut the plant stone but it was like the leaves we used to make oil out this shit yeah uh yeah the shake or whatever right right exactly is that right no you know no it was yeah it was the shake that's what it was basically turned into and i remember they threw it on top of the table and it was in a big

bag closed so that you know we got you they found a fucking a clip of a gun and at the time i wasn't convicted of any gun charges. I had gotten caught with shit, but I never got convicted. I remember them, I was on a long black table, which I still have super long. I remember sitting at the end. And the narcs coming in from, you know, my room and from the kitchen and they're just throwing shit on top of the table, throwing shit on top of the table. These are a couple of things I forgot.

I had so much shit in the house. Mind you, I just cleared that out two days before that, but they found like a fucking clip of a gun in a shoe. And they start loading up the table with a bunch of shit and they're like, we got you. you know like do you have anybody to give up how old are you 22 at the time okay and I remember sitting at the corner of the table looking at these guys and I knew exactly what was in the bag obviously I'm studying law I know exactly what I can get caught with how bad it can be

I went through the fucking gun clip on the table and the bag of debris I'm looking at him I'm like stupid motherfucker I'm like you think you got me I remember leaning back on the table and I looked at one of them and I was like this fat guy with a big beer. I'm like, your wife right now is fucking a guy that looks just like me. While you're out here trying to cat. I just felt so invisible. Like, fuck you guys.

Take me out here. I spake on him. Man. And this was still states. This was NARCs. This was local. You know, I hadn't gotten into the Fed radar yet. And I remember that day, I'm like, I'm unstoppable.

Like, these guys are not going to fucking get me. I knew the game so well. I knew how to commit crime so fucking well. that I just, I was not going to stop. And then that's when obviously the Fess came into play. So the clip doesn't mean anything that in that? If you don't have any prior gun charges, they can find ammo in your house.

Obviously, if it's not a fully loaded gun, you know. So they tried to hit me with a bunch of shit. They stole like $40,000. I had a pit bull in the back. And under his cage, I had a plywood that I would screw a box where my money was in. They ended up calling animal control,

took my dogs out of the cage, right in my backyard and took my, fucking money. So mind you, at that time, my mentality is like, I'm going to get my revenge. These are just local narcs. You know, I'm like, I'm going to fucking take these guys out. Me and my guys are plotting off. We're about to go to war with fucking local narcs. And right around that time, I got probation for that charge. The feds started to, you know, we started to hear peaks of them, you know, trying to find out what we were doing. Is this like DEA or?

D.A. D.A. I think no, ICE wasn't in there. But it was at D.A. And. And yeah, just normal feds. And they started to pull over some of the guys in my circle. I remember when all this started to come about what we were doing with the Mali, China shit, D-R, which is obviously all on my case. I'm not saying nothing else. And double jeopardy is the thing.

So I remember getting fucking paranoid. Like, damn. The feds aren't in our, right. We're in the feds radar. These are the big boys. I mean, I can't fucking trick these guys. Local narcs and uniform. cops. I was running for fucking circles around him.

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It's about 200 fucking federal agents that morning coming to get us. So I get the call from the mother and my son and she tells me, they're here looking for you. Like, get the fuck out. And I happen to be at one of my other spots. I remember waking up ass booty naked and just taking the bags that I had there and just running out of my house. And as soon as I leave and I turn the corner, all I see is just nonstop fucking

cars coming into my block. I literally missed them. So the NARCs, I dodged. The feds, I dodged. If I would have gotten caught by either one of them with what they would have caught me with, I wouldn't be here having this interview with you. So they're on you

because you guys are importing Mali. Where's the Mali coming from? Or is it the... China. So is it the precursor material and you guys are putting it together here? Or is it just coming in straight Mali? No, it's coming in straight Molli. and we're cutting it up and distributing it.

We caught the first wave of that. So we're like the main guys down here. Right. Yeah. I was going to say there was a guy in Coleman that I had met that he was, they'd gone to Afghanistan, him and his whole like crew. And they came back and somebody hired them to be like private protection where this guy went to Mexico.

They didn't even go to Mexico. They just went somewhere close and met. guys with Molly and then somehow or another they ripped them off and then these guys started bringing in Molly. It's a pretty fucking serious job. It was a huge case. I met him. I actually wanted to write a story about his case because it was so interesting that he all of these guys, I say all of them, maybe four out of six were former military and they were they ran this whole thing. And then of course they're driving fucking Ferrari like they're just doing ridiculous stuff. you know, what most people do if you, you know,

if you never really had any money, you get a bunch of money, you go get a Ferrari. It brings even more attention, you know, you don't really realize it. But that was that, that, and he was in ARDAP, when we were talking about ARDAP earlier, but he was in ARDAP. I wanted to write his story so he wouldn't do it. His wife wouldn't let him do it.

He got married, he got arrested, went to prison, got out, was trying to start his life over, he wouldn't do it. But, um, but, uh, they were making tons of money, tons of money. There's a lot of money when that MDMA wave hit. Right. There was a lot of money, but it was a dangerous drug. That's around the time where that guy fucking ate the guy's face in Miami Beach.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like cutting it with fucking Epson saw and doing some other crazy shit. So, yeah, it was a serious drug, and the Fed took that shit very serious. So I was the only one of the 16 that got away. And at the time, again, I'm not really studying the Fed. I'm not knowing where they're, you know, they're based out of. I remember getting on I-75, which is right, you can catch I-75 right off of Highley, and getting off on Marimar Parkway, which is in Broward.

And off that exit, that's where they were fucking based on. The headquarters was there. And I'm right down the street from these motherfuckers. And I'm hiding out. And I'm getting calls. And I had three burner phones. And every time I would leave the place I was stationed that, I will see a helicopter hovering over me. I'm like, this can't be me, man.

Like, I'm not fucking old chap. It's impossible, right? So then I go back to the house and then I leave again and these motherfuckers are on top of me again. I'm like, holy shit. Again, it was 200 federal agents from all prior of my co-defendants now looking for me. And at the time, they didn't even know who I was. They had just found out three years of surveillance. I had just found out 30 days prior who I was from just a phone that they confiscated.

They didn't know I was, you know, the head honcho of all this. And I remember the third time, I'm like, okay, now again, I'm going to have. I had to start thinking fucking feds. I knew how to maneuver the state. I fucking, you know, paid the judges and the DAs in the state, but these guys are not to be fucked with. So the third time, last phone, when I came out to make that call, I said about diversion. You know, I let them know. I'm like, look, I need to go to the mother of my kids' house.

I need to see my kids before I go in, but I'm going to turn myself in tomorrow. They were at my kid's house that same day. But obviously, I didn't go there. You know, I went back to my hood in High Lear. I made sure everything was set for me to go in. And the next day, I turned myself in. But fuck, the feds, man. It's, it's, sorry, did you figure out how they got onto you to begin with?

Like, did somebody, uh, somebody underneath you get busted? He cooperated. They put together. Like, you know, it usually doesn't, it doesn't just start. Right, right. It starts. There's, there's a catalyst. Somebody got arrested and said.

It was an informant. It was a, junkie that one of the guys under me was selling two. And the guy had a go chain with a fucking camera on it. Right. And that's how you started to collect all the evidence. So he, he works with them. He makes some buys.

He busts the guy underneath you. That guy cooperates. That guy. The guy that was in my organization, they didn't cooperate. Okay. But they still get. This guy was just working outside of my operation. But they still get the phone numbers.

They get wiretaps. They listen to the wire. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like there's a way that they're building. They didn't get wired tabs because we all worked off of something at the time called Blackphones. So they were able to, which I didn't know at the time, they were able to track your location. They weren't able to wire your call. I mean, tap your call.

Right. So they didn't hear what we were talking about. They just knew that we were, you know, where we were at. So the third call that got made was off of a normal line, which they tapped. And I sent them, that was the diversion I set up. But the life of crime is fucking interesting, man. You know, and I take that same, you know, know, it's so conceptual how you can apply this to business, how you can apply this to like your

house. I got two sons and a bonus son now. And it's like the same hierarchy. It's fucking crazy, you know. Like the way that I built my gang is the way that I'm building my house. You know, there's my older son who my younger ones report to and he's the one that has to lead, which in the life of crime was my right hand man. This is a guy I speak to. This is a guy I hold accountable for anything that goes on under him. It's fucking crazy, man. Well, So when you get grabbed, you get grabbed, what does your lawyer say? Do you get, like, do you have any, do you have the ability to get a public, I mean, a private lawyer or? We have a team lawyer.

A team lawyer? What did, what? Like from my, my gang, we all had the same lawyer. Oh, okay. So you already had a lawyer? Yeah, yeah. Okay. 61 times, you know.

All right. So. I have to hire an un-call lawyer. Well, I mean, guys that have been arrested in the state, they go to grab their same lawyer. And they're the new, that lawyer is like, yeah, I don't. do federal. Right. So he didn't do me so well in the feds.

Right. He knew the state game really good. And the feds came around and I almost had to like, well, I had to end up taking my own case. Well, you know, what people don't realize is that there are rules, you know, you're saying this like, people don't realize that what you can get away with in the state doesn't work in the feds. And there are things that the state lawyers or state judges will say,

no, no, that's not coming in because you obtain that by using this guy. He's not reliable. And they'll throw stuff out. And in the federal system or hearsay, well, yeah, but you got that information because you talked to this guy. You never spoke with this person. This guy wasn't involved. And they'll throw, they start throwing stuff out. They trim it down to where you as a defendant in the state, you have a, you have a fighting chance. In the Fed, they can use hearsay. They can use. They can use everything. They can connect everything. Everything was conspiracy for me. And it doesn't end up being a fair playing ground. It ends up being overly geared toward the federal system.

So you're thinking, you know, you might be thinking, okay, I'm going to go to trial because I only know one guy that I ever talked to. I'll use these phones they don't have. And then you say, I'm going to go to trial and you go to trial. and then if you've been through the state system multiple times, you're thinking they got nothing on me. And next thing you know, your lawyer is saying, okay, we got 15 people that are going to testify. Exactly what happened.

And you're saying, no, no, no, but I never spoke with any of these people. Yeah, I know they didn't speak with you, but they've, they spoke with this person who sold you the drugs. And you're saying, no, no, but that doesn't, you can't use them. Or you can't use them. And the lawyer is saying, no, bro, like this isn't the state. Exactly what happened. Yep.

All these people will testify and all of them will. say that they've seen you before or they've dealt with you before. They sold you before. But you can't prove that. We don't have to prove it. So that's why I'm saying like you going, getting caught by the feds, like the new lawyer, the state lawyer, doesn't know those things. And even if he knows it, he doesn't know the intricacies of how to get around it or properly prepare you for what's coming because God knows how many times somebody's gone in thinking they're getting two years and they get a 15-year sentence because they're lawyers telling them something that absolutely doesn't apply in the federal system. That's why most lawyers, most lawyers,

defense attorneys, when someone like you comes to them and they're, oh, this is my go-to guy, he's amazing. They go, I'm not taking your case. Because defense attorneys in the state can be superstars. Most guys that come here and talk to me that have been arrested in the state, they'll sit here and say, man, my lawyer was amazing. My lawyer was the best. My lawyer. I don't think I've ever had a guy come here where he his federal lawyer typically the guys who had federal they're like bro this guy was horrible i paid him 75 000 he didn't know what he was doing as why whenever i talk about my my public defender it's like i'm like she did she do a great job i don't think so but i don't think she had a choice like i didn't give her yeah yeah she's a different bargain you know there was

nothing she could have done of course i'm still angry you know i want to i'm I should have deserved a better sentence. And so I have to blame somebody. So your lawyer still kept your case. What is he telling you? I mean, he was honest with me from the beginning. He's like, this is a different playing field. Right.

But I'm like, I just don't want nobody else to, you know, I represent my case besides you. That was a whole fucking, man, that was, that was a ride. So I ended up again, turning myself in, got out the next day because I was in the flight risk. I was able to fight my case on the street. At this time, that's a better. That's a better. You have a better chance if you can get out.

That's why they don't want to let you out. But they didn't even know who I was yet. Okay. So as I am out on the street fighting my case, they're still monitoring me. They're still wanting to collect more shit because now they find out. Yeah, I figured I was a paranoid motherfucker. I will step out of any restaurant and I would look on the tree, look in every car, right? And I remember them, hey, when I knew the game I was playing with the feds, I knew, I was like, yeah, I can't compete with these guys.

it's over. And all my guys were on the inside. So I'm out here operating this on my own. They let me out. And again, like I mentioned for the cultivating charge, I was on probation while I was outside fighting this federal case. Feds and the state, they don't communicate. So now I'm trying to beat my state probation for early termination on the probation. Because if not, they will run concurrent, you know, violation of probation. After you finish your fed charge, I'm going to bunky-ass state, you know, and you, you, you, you, When you're doing Fed time in federal prison, to go from that to fucking stay prison,

it's a super big downgrade. You know, it's like, holy shit. They don't even have air conditioning. So I didn't want to do that. I'm like, I'm not going to go to this fucking prison with a bunch of, you know, corner store chain snatchers and shit. And I fought my case. I beat it.

My federal judge gayos, everyone knows who this fucking guy is. Black gay dude. He's a motherfucker. A black gay. Federal judge or state? Federal. Gales was his name. He was like the fucking most cuttle judge in the Miami district.

This guy, when I walked in, so I ended up having to find my case on the street, he ended up taking me in because I guess the federal in his ear, look, you need to get this guy inside. This guy's going to, he's a flight race, he's going to run, wherever. And one day I went to a court hearing, they brought me in. And my next court hearing, the judge I remember telling me, so here I have that you got your state probation early terminated, huh? He's like, you're a smooth criminal.

You think you're going to moonwalk up out of here. I look at my lawyer. I'm like, this motherfucker allowed to talk to me like that. Like, guys are going off on me at this point. And my lawyer is still trying to play the finesse game. He's like, bro, this guy's gay. Had long hair at the time. He's like, I need you go wear your hair loose.

You know, wear a pink tie. I'm like, bro, you fucking serious. Right. Like, are you fucking serious? He's like, bro, trust me. This guy's gay, bro. You know? I'm like, holy shell, I'm not going to do this, James.

Like, you guy, we have another angle here, you know? And again, this was his way of finessing the state. You know, it's either we pay them or we finesse them. None of them worked in the feds. He's like, bro, I can't find no loopholes here. Like, nobody wants to work with me. Nobody wants to talk to me about nothing. I didn't get the vibe that there was any.

So now we're just fighting our case head on. And I remember going into my last hearing and I get there and I look back and none of my family is there. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? And then there's like 30 people behind the DA. So I'm looking and I'm like, Who the fuck are those people? Like, I'm in the wrong courtroom?

Is that the other people's family? And I remember looking back and there was this really pretty lady that I remember seeing her at the Fed building the day I turned myself in. And I remember them telling her how she had just, you know, had this big bus or whatever. I'm like, holy shit, this is how the feds look. Like the feds are another, this is a different game.

You know, the state and the narcs are these big fucking dumbasses. You know, they're just big and stupid. Well, the feds are like, they look like you almost. right they're smart they're intelligent and they use more brains more than they use you know i remember this really beautiful woman from that day and i look back and i'm like holy shit those are all feds so at this point they know i'm the leader of my organization and i hear them all whispering in the ds ear they manipulated my family to go to a whole other courtroom i had 30 minutes to fight my case and my lawyer

had nothing what do you mean to fight your case this isn't your trial this was the last hearing this was like either you're going to get they were offered me 12 and a half for conspiracy of four and a half kilos of MDMA. Okay. Conspiracy. They had two text messages and one call that none of them were incriminating, but one of them I was thinking, I took the call walking outside of the state courthouse.

So in their eyes, they're like, this motherfucker just walked out of court and is already trying to run a play here. Well, it ended up being that the mother, my son, had just beat up my side chick, and I was at the courthouse fighting her case. So I was like, you know, trying to tell the judge, I'm like, Judge, I was desperate at the time.

I was trying to figure something out to get money to get, you know, the mother of my son out. Normally, I use a burner phone, Your Honor. Right, right, right. He kind of took it as that, right? I'm like, look, you know, normally I was, you know, I just had a sign. I was trying to get out of it. But, you know, I was a desperate, desperate measures. The only reason that judge took my side is because the DA tried to use it and say, no, he was walking out of his own case hearing.

Right. And I'm like, Judge, look at the date. It wasn't there. So because of that, the judge gave me an extra half an hour. I had to go back up. Give me an extra half an hour to come back with some more evidence. Literally like two minutes in. That's all I had.

And my lawyer had to go to the fucking state courthouse to go find another case while these guys, 30 plus a 2 DA officers, are all gathering more information on me. I'm like, holy shit, I'm fucked. And I remember coming back and my lawyer had nothing. and these guys found a phone call that I had with my right-hand man and he was, well, not me, he had a phone call while I was still outside because remember I didn't get caught. He called outside saying, why are they looking for Eddie?

Eddie had nothing to do with this operation. Mind you, I couldn't fly a kite to him in fucking three hours. So this was him willingly wanting to say this. It wasn't him manipulating that. So the judge heard that. And I'm like, Your Honor, I was, you know, I just had a son. I was really trying to get out of it. He said, but you're the leader of a fucking gang.

Yeah, well, when you get raised under my circumstances, that's fucking what comes with the life. There wasn't just some shit where I would say, all right, guys, I'm going to turn the switch off. And the DA tried to come up with some more shit. And now the judge is starting to see that. The DA is lying on my case to fuck me. They wanted to say me with the RICO.

They wanted to take us all down. But none of the people inside of my organization were snitching. None of them were cooperating. So they couldn't, you know, label anybody or, you know, really say, okay, this is this guy. This is this guy. So the judge is telling the DA, like, I don't have enough evidence to give this guy 12 and a half years. You know, I want to come down to seven and a half. And the DA is like, no, judge, we're not, we're going to stand by this because this is and this is what we have.

I remember the judge looking at the DA with a face like, I run this shit. Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? Obviously, he didn't say this. but I'm looking at all this transpire. I'm like, holy shit, these guys are fighting right in front of me. So the DA says that to him and the judge is like, I'm going to bring it down to five.

Like basically telling him, shut the fuck up. I'm running shit here. And the DA is like, okay, we'll settle with seven and a half. And I'm like, no, you're too late. Now we're going to do 60 months,

57 to be exact. So right under five years. And I remember my judge trying to fight me to get less time. He's like, well, your honor, you know, because this, I said, shut the fuck up. I stood up. I'm like, judge, where do I sign? Give me the five.

At this point, we're going to go with the five. Mind you, this is the most innocent I've ever been in any of my cases. But I was willing to take the five coming out from two and a half. I'm like, bro, let me just take the five. This is karma, karma justice, you know, or injustice catching up to me. I'll do my five, see what this. I learned from this experience. So I remember firing my judge right there in there.

Like, are you fucking stupid? You're going to argue with these people when they're fighting amongst himself? You want to get into this fire? Don't argue with them. This guy doesn't want to argue with anybody. Just listen to him. Agree, nod your head, the long hair and the fucking pink shirt, they don't work. Everybody needs a good pair of jeans.

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correlated with me. Okay, so there was no enhancement for a drug. Just conspiracy. I got charged for four and a half kilos of MDMA conspiracy, not me in my possession, not me. It wasn't coming to me. Just phone calls that were. you know, four and a half for being distributed amongst, you know, people that I was talking to. Fucking 12 and a half years you're trying to get me. But again, it was because they knew who I was. Man, I took those five and I'm like, fuck that. I'm going to run with it.

So I remember getting back to my, to my, to my, West Wing in the Fed. And I remember telling my selling my cellie. I'm like, well, I got five years. Like, and I was super happy. And I was like, what are you so fucking happy about my boy, these guys are trying to hit me with 12 and a half. Right. And I'm going to fucking do these five years running. So prison was the fucking best thing that ever happened to me, my.

And the skies I didn't know at the time, I remember, I still remember when I was in the federal holding facility, I was on gang time. Like we were bringing in all sorts of shit, cell phones. It was very political. When I got to Coleman, holy shit, everything fucking changed. That's where, was your first stop? That was Coleman the low? The medium.

Oh, you went to the medium. But it's still, it was not what I thought it was. No, it's not a state medium. It's not bad. I'm being honest. Well, yeah, obviously, because states are a little more, there's more violence involved, but it's more serious in the feds. Okay.

Like, there's more violence, I guess, because there's, there's, you know, little stupid fusses about shit. But I come from, you know, like, we will look out, we will look for blood every day. We didn't find blood outside of ourselves. We will turn on each other. I will catch me fighting my guys above one of my, you know, dead soldiers cemetery that we'll go visit him and start drinking Henness.

It will just start fighting. Like, this is where. I, this was my nature. This was my, you know, where I come from. So going into the medium and seeing all those guys were like trying to run the cars and the, you guys ain't shit, bro, like, you know, so I wasn't there for long. I was only there for eight months because I hadn't gotten convicted of anything. So they took me right down to the low. And the low is when they all changed for me. The low is when I'm like, holy shit, this is, this is fucking bad. Child molesters are walking around this motherfucker with no, you know, repercussions. And I just said, I'm just not going to do this.

That's when I met you. I'm finding myself in the library a lot more. I'm out on the yard talking about who and what I used to be and what I used to have. I'm like, fuck, these bums, you know, I'm just going to get in these classes. I'm going to surround myself around people. There was a little, I don't know where you remember him. He looked like Einstein. I had long heroes of like a scientist or some shit.

And then who I also hung out with a lot was Lance Polson. Oh, yeah, Lance. Yeah. I hung out with him a lot. People thought I was extorting him because I was always walking up and down the yard. I was an intelligent dude. You know, and that's why I caught myself. And I remember going to some of your classes.

And in your classes, you were basically giving us a loopholes of what routes not to take. It was a real estate class, right? Yeah. What loopholes not to take in real estate? All 100% legit. Right, right. But he will tell us what not to take. He will warn us.

He will tell us what was illegal and what routes not to take. I'm like, it's fucking interesting. There's not some shit. You learn in college, right? So I actually have notes of those classes. Still, you know, I remember Matt Cox. your, your, the name was on the, on the, on the notes. That's all I was doing, man.

And that's when it really changed for me, you know. So, Coleman, Lowe was the worst place I've ever been, not just the Tommels, but the RDAP, but it was the best fucking thing that ever happened to me. Right. The best, that's the only thing that could have domesticated my fucking wild nature of where I come from and what I used to do. And you, you, you went in the, uh, how long before you got into the art app? So again, I only have five years.

Yeah. I was in, you've already done, you already, you've already been time in Marshall's holdover. Right. You already did not eight or nine months in the, in the medium. You're down below three years. By the time you get there, you're the as well. They got to put you in pretty much right away.

And I got putting in with the fucking Chon. Or not the with the Chonnes with the, uh, the transgender. It was crazy. It was fucking wild. That was some wild shit, you know. I remember getting there and I had came from the Miami building with one of them. And when I first introduced myself, when I got there, I'm like, look, I was in Miami with this motherfucker right here.

I said just that exact thing. I remember Dr. Smith, like, she smirked a little bit and she kind of pulled me to the side after. She's like, well, we don't talk like that here. You know, I know, it's your first, you know, a week here. Like, I was in the, I was in the Miami holdover with this motherfucker. And he wasn't, because they started, it was two of them now. It was the one with the big tits and the bald one, the one that had a little afro.

So they had a whole meeting about these motherfuckers, you know, they pulled them up and they look guys, you know, we have. to, you know, she, whatever the fuck, address them by Ms. And I'm like, the fuck you. I'm not going to fucking address this person. I'm just not taking it. And they have a whole meeting around how we're going to respect them

and how we're going to treat them with whatever. And I remember standing up. I'm like, no, hold on. Let's not play the fucking victim here. I was in Miami with this one right here. And he was giving out charity dick like it was, you know, church twice on Sundays. Like, we're not going to do that.

You know, I understand some desperate motherfuckers here. And the doctor's like, holy shit. And I remember. 90% of the room looking at me. Like, I just exposed them. I'm like, you motherfuckers are all fucking this thing. I remember looking at all of them, just locking eyes. I'm okay, I know who you are.

Like, I'm going to keep an eye out for you because those, they all came from me. Every other day, I was getting pulled up twice. I was a guy that was standing up. I'm like, yeah, all right. I accept it. Whatever. You know, and then fast forward, you know, I learned some shit to the program. You know, I started to adapt.

I still had my, my little gritty. you know, attitude and they liked it. I just kind of, you know, took it with a grain of saw and I was not as, I guess, aggressive. Man, I got to the last fucking phase and we're all sitting in this whatever community. I forgot what it was. That's when they come for you. That's when they come for you. And this motherfucker is talking about doing this talent show and he wants all of us to like sing in the background.

Like the fuck I'm not. Like you got me fucked up. And I remember nobody said anything. So they held us all back. And they brought me back two and they brought everybody back one. So why did they bring, I mean, how did that? Because no one helped me accountable. Right.

I understand. But I'm saying how did that happen? Like did somebody, somebody had to tell Dr. Smith. Of course. And so what Dr. Smith calls everybody. Right, right. One at a time. It was a fucking day, man.

And at the end of that day, my celly decided to play a prank on me and put a fucking Nutella on a drawer on a, on some underwear. And they put it on my chair. You know, you have your own chair. You have your own locker, your own chair. Well, someone tried to play a prank on my celly and put it on my chair. I got to my cell there. I remember walking up to the front.

What is Nutella? You mean the brown chocolate? The brown chocolate? And what they smeared it on there? On a drawer, on a pair drawers. and they're, you know. I don't know if they sat the container on there. No, no, no.

So they may have seen like putting the snickers on somebody's pillow fucking with them, just joking around. Right. So they decided to do that like on the wrong day. And at that time I'm like, fuck this program, bro. Like, I'm just going to crash out. I'm going to take three chomels with me and I'm going to go back up to me.

I finished my time there. I was on the verge of doing this shit, right? And I remember walking up to the front. And I'm like, look, hey, I stood up on a chair on the computer. Let me tell you guys. I'm like, today's not the fucking day. Whoever let that shit in my room, let me find out who the fuck it is. I'm taking you out right now.

Like you go and then my celly came up to me. He's like, bro, what's my partner? And I grabbed my cell. I'm like, you stupid, but like, do you not see what happened today? I threw him up against. I was about to just risk it all. The next day, everyone had their hand up. Like, I'm going to get this guy.

The doctor, Dr. Smith called on the dumbest motherfucker. I remember his name was Mr. McDonald. Like this super fucking hillbilly guy had fucked up teeth. I remember him getting up. I was like, yeah, today I want to call out. Mr. Redisold. And the guy called me out and gave me the worst fucking call out, the worst behavioral shit. And because of that, I got saved.

Now, you know what, Mr. McDonald? You're right. I accept responsibility. You know, at the end of the day, this is prison. You know, there's certain boundaries you can't cross. Oh, the doctors have my back. They're like, yes, guys, at the end of the day, you guys can't be playing pranks on each other. This is a behavioral pattern that you have to learn here so you don't play the prank

because that prank can get you. whatever. And I got saved, man. I got saved. And I think the doctor's motive behind that was to keep me around after the program. You know those motherfuckers that graduate and they're like these little comps or complaints or comps. And I remember her coming up to me on the last day. She's like, you know, hey, look, so are you going to stay? I'm already walking with the dolly. I'm like, doctor, I'm out. Like, I'm gone. Okay. This is a fucking, a mental fucking asylum you guys have that you're running here. Like, this is crazy. You got people pulling people up for chicken and like some weird shit i can't do it you know 13 months i did it i appreciate it but i'm out

that was a fucking experience man holy shit that was a fucking experience man with chomels obviously you know there's chomers i remember getting up one night to take a piss in the middle of the night and i saw that what was labeled as the sickest fucking child molester there right it was this little weird looking motherfucker you know they all had that look in their eyes right like you know but he had it like times three and this was an ardaat in our dad okay Okay. Yeah, you got trauma that's just there. Oh, I know. I'm trying to think of, because the worst one was in my, but I'm not an art app. I'm saying on the compound was they called him porpoise or something. He had like a big misshapen head.

I don't know. You have kids? I mean, I, like 26 years old. But yeah. It was very personal to me. So I mean, I like if there is a way out, it was going to be through that. So I remember walking to the bathroom on one of those days where I was just like sick of this shit and seeing the motherfucker in there and it was just me and him and it crossed my mind i'm like fuck i'm gonna take this guy out you know i'm gonna get this it's off you know and i'm gonna risk it on i'm gonna say but the truth is that every time someone did that will happen next day it went right the fuck back to you're not no you're not doing anything you're done and you're losing your year and right right you're either getting refazed you're losing your year getting refazed getting kicked out of the pro possibly getting

kicked out of the program and probably going to the shoe yeah probably going the shoe possibly going the medium and now you got the extra year to do. No, no, and you get a whole charge. Well, no, you can get it. You can get an extra charge. Right. Yeah, yeah, no, it's, there's no better. I remember there was a guy that took out like six of them.

Like fucking shanks to the Facebook 50s and all through tea and one other and the compound went right back to normal the next day. Like there was so many of them. It was about 50. I think it was like 60% at one point. Well, I had heard that it was like 50%. However, they weren't all there for. those offenses.

It was child pornography. It was fucking... Right, but no, what I'm saying is, let's say you had 50% of the compound had charges. They may not be there for the charges. Maybe 40% are there, but maybe 10 or 20% are there.

They had charges in their past. They may be here on selling drugs, but they can't go anywhere else. Because this guy went to the, what do you call it, a statutory rape or rape or some kind of charge or a child, whatever. Right.

But he's here, because he committed fraud or sold some drugs or something. So yeah, it's like 50, at least 50%. And they all hung out in the sea house. They all congregate. They would, they would see each other. Well, they'd see each other and they would walk in and say, hey, I'm here for selling drugs or fraud or something.

And even if they kept to that the whole time within a month, you'd see that guy who says, I'm here for selling marijuana. With the local, he's hanging out with fucking 30 other shows. playing the weird little card games and shit you will see them in front of the house Dungeons and dragons It was another one But it was dungeon and dragons

It was another one but it was They naturally congregated together They just they could feel They could you know A fisherman knows a fisherman I took advantage of that time To study them I'm like okay if I'm gonna go out into the street

I'm gonna call this guy out from a distance Whether it's at my son's school Whether it's in the neighborhood And they all have the same behavioral and the face gestures And you just know You know, you just not be out with my kids. I'm like, that's a fucking sick old.

He's a fucking chomo. And there'll be times I'll say some shit like that out loud. And they would look at me, like, I told you. I told you this motherfucker was sick. So I used that time wisely to at least say, okay, let me study these guys. Let me see how they move and the little fidgety of the fingers and how they're, I studied these fuckers, you know. And I use that time to the best of my ability, you know, and to come on here and fucking, we would, we had, we were like, categorizing him.

Like we would say he's a, well, first of all, we do, we do this, right? Like, he's a diddler. And then you, and then we had like different, we had like three or four different categories where you'd say he was, you know, undercover or this guy was a, uh, arrested development. Like he liked, you know, young, young kids or, I mean, because they all, they all have, I couldn't get that deep into a conversation. Oh, yeah. We would piss me the fuck off.

Well, you just, we just look over and I'd be like, you know, like that. And they'd be like, no, I go, yeah, undercover, bro. undercover. Like, yeah. Not him? Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, they'd be like,

I thought he was here for, well, I mean, that's what he's telling everybody, but somebody pulled up his paperwork and that's just the way, you know. But again, there's nothing you can do. That's a humbending experience, man. Or,

holy shit. They wouldn't let him go, like in B4, they wouldn't let them go into the TV room. There was a group of guys that would keep him from the TV room. And every once in while, one would wander in,

and there was this guy, Kenny King, and he would turn around and he'd go, Greg Now you know you ain't allowed to be in here He goes And I mean

And he would do it And I would be like Oh God Like it would make me so uncomfortable Like And the guy would be like I'm just trying to watch our CNN Kenny he'd go

I don't give a fuck Greg you know damn well Don't don't Don't turn this into us having to hurt you I'm leaving and he'd wander out That was crazy man But I mean what are you gonna do You do something

You're getting more time you're getting in more trouble. You're going to a... I get it, but that was crazy, man. It was very sweet. If you weren't into any shit, it was a nice...

It was. It was a well put together compound. You had, you know, I had my kitchen connect and, you know, I had my little workout routine. But fuck, man.

Chomels, obviously the worst of them. You had a bunch of transgender. When I left, I think they loaded like eight of them into the compound. This was in the 2017, so I'm sure you got them.

No, no. There was actually, It was a gaggle. Gaggle. It was a gaggle of, because they would walk around. This is hilarious.

This was hilarious. Is they would walk around like, whatever, six or seven, like they're walking around, you know, and they're doing the hole when they walk, you know. Holy shit.

Fuck, man. I was interviewing somebody and they said something to him. And he was like, hey, you know, like they said something. Somebody said something. He was like,

hey what's like hey what's up because they were in a unit together and all of them turned they're like hey and i looked at him he's like don't don't do that don't that's it's not like that's guys in my yeah man that's that's that's that's again i have mental pictures like i have mental notes of that place that would solidify me never i think about this sometimes right like there's there's obviously been times where i've been tempted to you know beat some stupid motherfucker up I was like one of these Orlando parks about a year ago and some fucking idiot fat drunk told my son some shit and I was about to paint the pool with this guy's blood like I was and those pictures started to come up I remember one of those pictures I was walking on the yard at the end on the border of Coleman and you know how they had like the barbed wire and they had the barbed wire rolls and the next fence and I remember looking up and it was both of them walking like in the far distance and just walking trying to shake their asses and that and I remember taking the picture that I meant to know like barbed wire. fucking two transgender I'm never coming back to this fucking shitho man

that was crazy you know it's to have these guys in they're fucking everything like those things were fucking everything did you know um do you remember I don't know when you were there they had to remember carry they would have karaoke night where the guys would get up everyone this is made when I first got there this is happening every week

and then something happened and then they they didn't do it for months on it and then they started doing like every quarter they would have like a talent contest and the one would stand up and sing Michael Jackson and listen and guys would go bro let's go out and I'd be like I'm not going out there but you can hear them because you know where the rec yard was they had the fucking oh it was outside oh it's outside underneath the remember the big awning right they'd be in the where the awning was and they had a karaoke and they had like they're singing it and it's loud you could hear them I'm sure that's that that

That's when I had just left, because there was a few of them. At first it was just two of them. And they were kind of still low-key. Way more. Way more. When I left, it was two of them and they unloaded like seven of them on there. I remember seeing them all the week before I left. I'm like, fuck, I got out here right on time.

So there was a group of them, and then they lasted a few months. And then a bunch of them got picked up and moved somewhere else. And so it was back down to just a couple. And then boom, a few months later, a couple more, a couple more, couple more. I came in one day to the unit. This was right after ARDAP, after the second ARDAP when I got, I did ARDAP and then I dropped out. And then so I had like three months.

I went back to the same unit. I had only been there maybe a week or so. I come walking in to turn the corner. And the very front still, there was, I shit you not, a 13 or 14 year old girl. sit, this is what she looks, it looked like, whatever, look like. I shit you not. And I'm walking in fast, right? I'm just looking at the ground, walking and turn the corner, sitting on the locker, kicking her feet, singing with little headphones on.

I've never said, I mean, in a way, like, you can't, like, the other ones are like freak shows, right? Like, this looks like a 13, 14 year old. Singing. And I walk around. And as I walk around, I got like maybe five or six feet past and I kind of stopped and thought. Did that thing have like big glasses on? I think it was. I think so.

Yeah, yeah. Tiny, right? Tiny, right. Big fucking glasses. Mexican. Fuck, I think I was there. I kind of stopped and only on the compound for maybe three months because so many guys came out of the woodwork. It's causing so many problems that they picked them up and showed.

him and and shit this is bringing back. Fuck. Hey, there's this guy named Sawyer. I don't know if you remember Sawyer. Of course I know. Okay, he's from Tampa.

Me and him had out. So he was the main house. Oh, he was a second house man. He, he was, yeah, he stayed all the way up. Right.

Me and him got into a few times. And, uh, he was one who used to fucking walk around with this thing, right? Really? Yeah. Yeah. He would, like, walk up and he had this mean lamb.

Ah, ha. I remember. You know, seeing him one time in the, and it was a smaller TV room because you had the big one, and then sometimes the let us watch something in the smaller TV room. I remember calling him on.

Like, well, let's just go. Let's go right now. I'm meeting you. Let's go. It's like, nah, bro, you know, eh. And you know, like, and I always see this guy going to visitation. And you have a fucking beautiful,

well, I'm going to say beautiful, but she was like a decent looking woman. Like, she wasn't what I would expect him to be with. Right. And the guy's, like, kissing upon the girl. Like, she looked like a, good girl man like this motherfucker does not even this fucking guy is coming back from probably

either sucking the thing up or getting sucked up by or taking anything out whatever he is and he's playing house in the visitation room like you and I would look at him and I would catch myself staring at him and he would catch me he'd be like that and he'll give me those little mischievous look I'm like you sick my like how do you have the face for some shit like that man like you come in here and you know Well, listen, Sawyer was there the whole time I was in Ardap.

I don't know. I don't know about any of that, but like I didn't see that. But here's, he was gone. The thing was gone when I left. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're talking about the one that the, the, the main one, like a leader. Yeah, yeah.

So, so Sawyer, this is my Sawyer story is I was, Sawyer was weeks from the door. And he did, he did like 15 or 20 years. Like, you know, he was locked up for, forever. And I remember something happened. I don't remember exactly what happened. We were all standing there.

And somebody said something about Sawyer like, oh, you better, you know, oh, you know, you don't want to say that around Sorrier. And Sawyer's right here. And Sawyer kind of glanced over. And I looked at him. And I said, nah, I said, Sawyer's, he's been declawed. I said, he's on his best fucking behavior. I said, right, Sawyer?

Because I knew he's only weeks away. I said, I go, I said, you're pretty much fucking harmless at this point. And he goes, I forget how he said it. But he went, I'll be honest with you, Cox. He said, I'm so fucking close to the door right now. You could slap me dead in my fucking face and I wouldn't do shit. He said, so yeah, I'm absolutely harmless. And we were all laughing because, you know, you get so close.

You're nervous. And he's been locked up so long. Keep in mind, he had a lot to lose. He does. He causes. any problems. He's losing a year. He's, God knows, they probably got him nine months halfway house or a year halfway house. Like he was, but yeah, he was, he was, he was a comp and he was, he was, he was, he was Mrs. Dr. Smith's pet. Man, me and him had it out. He was the head orally.

Right. He was the second. Was he? It might have been head by the time I got there. He might have been good because the guy, the main guy, he was cool. He had left right when I was there. But that mother, me and him had that out. Everyone, you're like, there was tension. I was a lot bigger. I was 260 pounds at the time, you know, fucking stuck in my face going to you all right, lifting people up and shit. And me and him had that out. We had that out. But that he was, he was, he was, he was fucked. He was fucked. That guy was churned. He was declawed. Oh, yeah. He had this mean. He knew the program. You'll see him walking from like the other side of the hallway and he's just, you soft, motherfucker. You know, look, I was looking at him. I was like,

what the fuck this guy think is? And me, the gangster him, you know, like, I'm fucking emasculate this motherfucker. Open hands. I would I would catch these moments. You remember a guy named Google? Google, he was this tall, dorky guy, super intelligent, man. I don't remember. I think I would see you with him.

Real goofy guy, right? But like super intelligent. He was so smart that people will pay him for information. He was like the cell phone of the yard. You have to know who he was, man. So this guy, we did a release party for him. And the guy came back and he was on the compound within two months.

You know how hard they used to get released and then get back on the same compound in two months? You have to go back through the holding. Why? What? The guy was just so smart and it was just on ice. They didn't apply none of his intelligence to the fucking street. The guy went back out there, got back strong on drugs and fucking pain for prostitution and the fucking guy.

And they go back inside. Do you remember a guy named, I'm thinking Turk? Dirk. His name was, his nickname was Turk, but if he was in Ardap, he would have been Shannon Siegel.

Fuck, sounds familiar. White guy, short crop hair. Anyway, him, and then there was the other guy

he's staying out with, except these guys all went to Ardap the year before me, like a year or so before me. One of them was a Harold Locke. Damn, that sounds familiar too.

Yeah, he's in, he's in, Los Angeles. right now. He actually, he's one of those guys. It's funny, I had a, I had a, um, interview the other day and the guy we were talking about retraining yourself while you're incarcerated, kind of figuring out a plan and, and, you know, re-educating yourself while you're incarcerated. And I meant to bring up Harold. Harold's brother had gotten out before him, like a couple of years before him,

because Harold was on the run for a few years. And he ended up being a welding inspector. You don't have to know how to weld to be a welding inspector in California, which seems odd to me. But these guys make like 80 bucks an hour. And so his brother would send him in the study material. So he had a book like this. He spent all the time reading this book for like six months to a year beforehand. He's just reading the book.

Oh, he's read it over and over and over again so he could pass the test. Because his brother's telling him, you pass the test. You know, you come home. We sign you up. You pass the fucking test. I'm telling you within a couple months, I've got you a job making $80 an hour. There's a lot of opportunity in the face, man.

And he did that. It's like age back. He did the whole. But to this day, he works as, to this day, that's what he does. He works about 50, 60 hours a week. And they pay him for everything. As soon as you get the phone call to drive the hour and a half to go to the, you get paid for the hour and a half.

Like the whole thing, he's like, oh, you get overtime, but it's not really overtime because he's like, most, a portion of the overtime is me just driving. Right. Drive from this site to this site. sometimes you get there and they're not done. He goes in and says you have to fix this, fix this. You go sit in your car for fucking two hours.

You're getting paid. But he educated, just like you're saying, you started studying, going into the library, reading books, doing everything. He educated himself while he was incarcerated. But yeah, he was an art app for sure. He was another one where it was, he sailed through art app. And it's that last few months that are the hardest. Because I always say ARDAP, it's the first two phases, they're just trying to get you to say thank you and, you know, thank you and please and get you to eat your food with a fucking fork and a knife.

You know, they're trying to not, they're trying to keep you from being just turn the savages into, into normal human beings. If you came in and you were a normal, pretty much you were okay to begin with, it's that last three months that they come for those guys. the educated guys that are in control of their emotions because that's like the last phase where they go for the manipulators. You know, that's where they, luckily, I never had to go through that.

And I knew, even though everybody was like, man, you're sailing through this program. I used to think, no, no. I remember that. They'll come for me.

We used to think that. We used to think that certain people were sailing to the fucking program. Yeah. And then they got. That show was a rough for me from the start. From the very beginning, it was a lot of adapting.

That's why I really relearned. Yeah, but you're the guy that doesn't say thank you and please. No, I do have the, you know, the common courtesy of, you know, my mannerisms are good. That's one thing my dad taught me, right? But I just had no filter, man. I had no filter. There was like a complete different set of rules and laws that were not only in prison, but in art that I had to abide by now, you know, pulling up and the whole this. And it was just some weird shit, you know, a lot of weird shit going on in the fucking dorm.

I would not catch myself for nobody. The guys I was with were the people I'm working out with. Most of the people that I was with were outside of the compound. Right. You know, I mean, outside of my housing unit. But they'll give you a hard time for that too. You're not taking it. But you're not, you're not like just doing that.

Oh, I'm hanging out with my buddies. Oh, no, no, no. That has to stop at some point, too. They'll give you a hard time for that. I didn't hang out with nobody. I didn't trust nobody. I didn't like anybody. I didn't like myself.

You know, I'm in a whole revamping of everything. My habits. and my character and that's really where I spend the most time doing. I spent a lot of time with myself and it wasn't just a craft that I was building. It was myself. Again, going from who I was to where I'm at today, right? I don't drink. I don't smoke.

I don't fuck around. My thing is business, relationship, and kids. That's it. But why? Like what happened? Was it just getting arrested and getting the time? Was it at that moment? Or did something happen while you were locked up along the way that you started thinking,

I can't keep fucking doing that. My kids, you know, I got taken away from my kids. One of my, my youngest was a year old. Luckily, I was able to make it to his first fucking birthday. But it was just my kids, you know? I'm like, if I keep on doing this shit, I'm going to raise two savages. Is somebody bringing in your kids while you were locked out? Yeah, yeah, I was able to see them, you know, and it hurt coming out.

It was really my kids, man. Like, I need a fucking change, man. Like, this is not it. But what were you thinking you were going to do? I mean, like as far as career-wise? Yeah, I mean, you're crazy. You're a drug deal? Right.

Like, what if you're prepared for? So I got really heavy into the fitness thing. You know, I was on the TP car, and I was with the, you know, the guys on the yard. And my next prison was still. And they'll be coming, my institutional occupation was being a coach. And I thought that this was going to be my pastime. I came home trying to get my real estate license. I'm just going to be a realtor, you know.

And I will find myself going into gyms and handing our resumes. And I started working out of a gym. and I wanted to leave the gym and I tried network marketing I've been in movies I've done you know reality TV I've done speaking on stages I got pulled right back into the

health and fitness and nutrition space and that's what I'm doing now when you say you get you get pulled back in you mean you just where I do is you have what I'm saying you have clients that pay you to train them like what exactly is the so my business now is that's exactly what I do

I have an app I have a bunch of coaches under me I have, you know, a sales team. I have a marketing team and we create content and we bring in, you know, leads to get people to coach. So I have hundreds of clients that are following diet plans and exercise routines. We do live workouts. We do calls throughout the week to help build habits and all this shit. Something I like to do.

You know, I get paid very fucking well for it. So I took what I learned inside a prison within my own, I guess, reconstruction of my mindset and all this shit. And I just, now I duplicate it and I make a career. did that did you hit the crown running or do you have to get a regular job when you got out yeah I worked like a body shop I worked like a gym I stopped doing the gym thing I'm like I'm like I don't want to fucking do the gym thing that's just something I like to do and again I've done network marketing I've been in movies I've tried the acting thing and I got pulled right back into this yeah you were in a movie right did you play like a fucking killer or something or what was what was it a movie or a

movie it was a three part trilogy movie and and I've done reality TV what was the movie It's called Secret Society. Secret Society. Okay. And I was in there with like Vivica A. Fox, another, a few other one on actors. It's cool, you know, but it's not what I like to do. Right. So then I got pulled right back into this.

And people were asking me, you know, hey, look, can you, can you show us what you do? And how do you do it? And how did you become sober? You know, how did you change all these ways? And I'm like, oh, yeah, I think I can. I can. I can pay you to help me with this. And that's really how I started.

I got, again, pulled right back into it. And 2021, I went really deep into it, you know, and I took off. You know, do you know, Myron Gaines? Sounds familiar. You ever heard fresh and fit podcast? Right. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so he's, he fit?

Which one is he? He's fit. I don't know. The one that's just always talking shit. Yeah, yeah. The other guy doesn't talk that much, but that's like his best friend. But it's, you know, he was, like, I didn't know this until I went up there. He was a coach with one of the guys.

guys I know. No, no, I'm saying he was a, he, oh, law enforcement or something. Homeland, Homeland Security agent for like five, six, seven, eight years or ten years or something. He was in one of my masterminds. Oh, okay. A couple years ago. It's the same thing. He was talking about how he on the side started coaching. He's like, you know, not thinking anything of it. He's like, and it just got bigger and bigger and bigger. And then he started a YouTube channel. He's like not thinking it's going to be a career. He's like his career. He's like, this was what I want it. Right.

It's going to do. And then one day they called him in and said, oh, listen, you got to, he's saying crazy shit. They're not okay with. Right. You know, that, you know, it's just the homeland security. They're trying to be very, you know, whatever, neutral or liberal or whatever their goal is. I don't know.

But whatever he was saying, the specifics of what he was saying, they weren't happy with. And they said, look, you got to shut that down. And he was like, yeah, I can't do that. You know? So, but luckily, he's already had that business, which was growing. he's like it was growing but I wasn't trying to grow. He was something I was doing on the side

he's like and it just you know it just sometimes He understands a marketing game I had a guy the other day a UFC guy and he and I didn't say this to him because he was he was he was talking and I started feeling emotional so I didn't say this

but it's like I think when you start doing the right thing and behaving the right way it's like God starts knocking all the things that are in your path, all the obstacles are very easily overcome or removed. Does that make sense?

And maybe if you're going the wrong way, I feel like he's a lot of attraction. Yeah, but I mean, I feel like he puts obstacles in your way because you're going the wrong way. You can still do it. You put yourself in those obstacles. Right.

Because that's what you're real. Consist of. If you're trying to even trying to do right, but you're still won't foot into this shit, you're taking the obstacles into this path and you're going to put you know you're going to see these along the way and i've noticed that you know everything that i used to do evolved around being the most negative pessimistic violent motherfucker so all the obstacles of that were in my path and i realized when i try to do right but i you know i i still wanted a uh uh a polygamous relationship you know

i wanted to women it didn't work you know i wanted to do this but it didn't work and i go i just need a fucking completely transformed. Right. And it's an easier process to do that, I think. It's much, it's much, it's much simpler. It's not easy because coming from

where I come from, you know, knowing how much work it took from someone who was literally programmed into this from adolescent, you know, everything illegal, everything. But it just feels peaceful, man.

I would rather deal with the stress of building a business and, you know, like I have a fucking, like a very high quality woman. She's not arguing with me about stupid shit. You're checking my phone. She's a mom. She's a business owner. You know, you just put yourself in these positions to not bring these fucking unnecessary stresses to you.

Only stresses I want is building my departments within my business, dealing with, you know, my clients who are obviously paying me really good money. My kids and their evolution of their character to the phases. Like, that's all I want. So when you remove all of these destructive habits, whether it's the drinking, whether it's the gambling, whether it's this. this is the distraction that you're no longer bringing into your life that helps you navigate to all this shit better. But I've realized that man. Like if I try to do the half-ass, you know, one-foot-in, one-foot-out thing,

you're going to keep fucking running to those obstacles, man. And you would, by natural selection, you remove people, you will stop liking certain things. You will stop going to certain places that just don't fucking serve you. You know, and I've been blessed. You know, I don't have to deal with, you know. none of the shit that I used to deal with anymore. So that's why I teach people.

You know, again, coming from, there's nobody out there that has a story like mine who used to be, you know, again, a gang leader who went inside, once a person came out and is doing what I'm doing. You know, there's a lot of guys who have, you know, been in the crime life or been in the prison, came out, but they're out here fucking doing stupid shit. They might have one area down packed, you know, they might be in shape or whatever, but they're fucking, you know, out there fucking strippers or something, you know, snowy-crum off of whoever.

And that's, that's really what, you know, it's made me change, you know. And I give a lot of credits of common for that. Yeah, yeah. No, I, I've said just as the same thing. Like, she feels like, like prison changed her life. You know, like, I definitely needed to go to prison. I don't know about 13 years, but I definitely needed to go to prison. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you know. Fuck, you did 13 years, huh? Yeah. Well, I just, I can't like you keep correcting it. Yeah, almost 13 years. Yeah. 13. Yeah, yeah.

I'm rounding up by. couple months fucking more than 10 um but yeah it definitely definitely was a you know here's what it made me realize i can live with virtually nothing and be happy where prior to prison that was not i was like no no i need more stuff more money that's going to make me happy but then that never does make you happy because it's never enough then you get arrested you go to prison you get stripped of everything and you realize, you know, there comes a time when you're, you're enjoying walking the track or getting a news they just downloaded the new kid rock song. Holy shit.

You know? You remember that, huh? Yeah. I always said when they gave, when you could buy an MP3 player, they just knocked 30% off my sentence. Yeah. Like, I would, that was like at a skimp. Holy shit.

All those simple things, you know, sitting around the computer and getting those emails. Oh, shit. Or getting your name called at mail? Mail. Fuck. Like, who would think that would be like, you know? Thursdays. The simplest things, man.

I used to be a hoarder. I became a hoarder in prison. I will keep like paper clips in the back of my lock. I'm going to use that one day, you know? And I will take it from camp to camp. Like you would just be so fascinated with the smallest of things. And coming, you don't see animals. People would say that there was like an owl that would roam the yard.

I never saw that shit. So I remember when I was in transit to Estill, I saw a fucking lizard. And the lizards evolved. There was a point where you had the little small lizards. And now the fucking lizards are huge. know if you have them up here. No, in Miami. Okay, so in Miami, the normal lizards are fucking huge now. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? You know, and it's like, you're so fascinated by the simple things, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, uh, sometimes, man, like, I think whoever

my higher power is, I'm not religious, right? I think they gave up on me. I think they're like, this stupid motherfucker is just not going to learn. And then he threw him into a cage and then he would check up on me every once in a while. And he was like, oh shit, this guy's changing in there, He said, oh, shit, he's fucking mean positive. And he's, you know, influencing people in a good way. And, oh, shit, this guy made it. I just wouldn't learn. Prison, it had to happen when it happened.

You know what's crazy? I had an epiphany. The day that I actually got brought into prison, which I didn't think I was going to go in that day, right? The holding cell of Miami. I remember sitting on my cell looking through the scratchy window out. I was out looking out the west wing, so I was able to see the city. I know where my area was at. And I remember saying to myself, I need to be here.

Like, this is exactly where I need to be right now. I didn't know what that meant at the time. I'm like, I just needed me, I don't know, maybe become a fucking chain gang legend or something. I don't know. Come in here and fucking do some stupidity, right? But at that time, I need to be right here. Like, I don't need to be out there. I need to be right in here.

And it changed the game for me, man. It changed the fucking game for me, you know? And, yeah, it's a run. It was a run, you know? So I was looking at some of your show. on the way over here because I'm like, let me see how these interviews are going to go. You're a bold motherfucker, man. You talk about, you have a video that just went viral.

You're like, yeah, I'm a snitch. I'm a rat. I rat it. I'm what. Like, holy shit. You know, I'm going to get a lot of shit for this, right? Because the people are going to go, like, I don't care about that. Right.

I personally don't care about that. Like, you only care about shit like that when you're still in that game. Yeah. Like, what does it have to do with you out here living a fucking good, positive life? you know like there was a time where I had obviously an honor system where I wasn't able to you know condone to that and I didn't do it you know I hung my flag up and my jersey was clean but people tell me this guy did reality TV show with a guy that you know supposedly he snitch or something like brobo what do you guys care man what do you care like why does your mind because I was reading some of the comments oh

you're fucking fuck you this and then you're laughing or something you're doing dropping the little laughing emoji and I'm like well I'm right halfway here you know fuck this you know You know, I just started thinking optimistic about it. I'm like, this guy's got balls, you know? So the comment, when I was texting you yesterday, I'm like, oh, how controversial we're going to get? I'm like, okay, reading this, this might, you know. But yeah, that was a bull's fucking real. But it performs.

Yeah. It was like, well, five days ago. And you know how many people I've interviewed where they're like, you know, they, they come on. They tell their story. And then they're sitting there saying, like, they sold, let's say, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, It was a 12-kilow conspiracy in the feds. And the guys already told me about it going to state prison twice. And I'm sitting there.

And then he boom, boom, boom. And he got, you know, six years or seven years. And I'm thinking, well, the man did at best, at best, you would have gotten 10 years. You know what I'm saying? And then I don't say anything. It's not, it's none of my business, bro. Like if you don't want to say that, that's fine. You know, like I don't do that.

But then later, like then it's over. and they're talking for 10 minutes or something. They're like, yeah, bro. You know, I noticed when you looked at me when I'm still not saying. Is he big on social media? Huh? Is he like a...

No, no, these are just like a guy that some guys are just called, you know, most people, I'd say 90% of the guys that come here, they're not really pushing an agenda. They're not coming because they're just coming because they're like, they watch my stuff. They have a story. The guy is... So this guy just has his persona for nothing.

Yeah, just a forklift driver. And he thought I would love to come on your school and tells us. And tells a story. And this is, listen, we've got, we've done hundreds at this point of interview. But guys will tell me, I'm saying, guys will tell me afterwards, they cooperated. I just don't want to say anything. I don't. And I remember when I cooperated thinking, I'm going to get shit for this.

When I, especially when I left. I mean, you did 13 years still? Out of 26. So when I left, and when I left prison, I remember thinking because I did an interview with Danny Jones. He has a big podcast. and I did my and I did it up to me getting sentenced and going to prison and he doesn't he's never he didn't really know you know he's just a podcaster he doesn't do true crime really he would talk to some guys but it wasn't these are guys that went to the state or whatever and so he didn't

really understand and I got I'm like I'm like yeah and I did 13 years and I got out he's like holy shit 13 years not really I skipped over or I might have said I got 26 years I ended up doing 13 I get out he doesn't know to question that is it realized you should have done 23 I did the first one and it got like a million something. I don't know what it's got now. A couple million or something. I don't know. It's got a bunch.

So he's like, you got to come back. You got to come back. And I said, okay, we got to talk about what happened in prison. I was like, okay. And I said to him, I went, you know, we're texting. And I said, you need to call me. So he called me. And I said, okay, you have to understand if we're going to talk about prison.

I can do it. Can you talk for two hours about it? Absolutely. I said, but part of my prison story is I got 26. I ended up doing 13. Here's how it happened. and I explained the whole thing, very briefly. And I said, and I said, I don't have a problem saying that.

But if I talk about it, I'm not going to not, if you have me come on, I'm not going to not talk about it. I said, I'm not going to not say that I cooperated and I snitched and fuck that. And you've got a problem with it. That's your fucking problem. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to say it. So I said, I said, so if you don't want to have me come on, I totally understand.

And he was like, fuck no. That's, man, it's mainstream now. Like that's not even a thing anymore. This guy, six, nine, came out and made a whole, you know, career around it. You have guys, look, the beauty about social media is that you can come on here. We can reconnect. Like, I would never fucking know who Matt was. Right.

If it wasn't through social media. I mean, I met my woman to social media. I have a whole career around social media, right? But then you have the darker side where you have a lot of people who put up this persona, you know, on social media. Yeah, I don't want to do that. Right. They, right? They pretend to be this person and who the fuck are you in real life?

Right. Like, that's the dark side. of it. You ever heard the saying your hero's the biggest weirdo? Like you have, you understand that life outside of social media still exists. Like what happens when you fucking start dating somebody and they find out you have like, I don't know, you're this bitch or something and this little dick person. I don't know. That whatever it is. But that's, that's, man, at this point, like, I almost think that will help you more than it will hurt you because you know why I think it helps me is that so many people in the comment section saying, look, this dude, you know, like,

And of course, they have to say, like, oh, I don't, I don't agree with what he did, but at least he's honest. He's the most honest. That's how I feel. I don't agree with what you did. Right. But you got balls and you're bold enough to say it and say, I'm going to say it, you know? Um, a lot of people don't do that. A lot of people just lie and they, they back that.

Or they'll say they fucking did, oh, I did 15 years in prison and you did 12. Like, why not just say you did 12? 12's a long fucking, or I did 10 years, what? You did seven. I was in the, you know, whatever, California fucking, you know, level, whatever, and you weren't. You did your time in Arizona because they were, the inmates were shipped, they were housing inmates. And you didn't do 10 years. You did seven, like, why don't just say that? Seven years is a long time. You know what I'm saying? Like, you thought, I don't, I don't know why people

have to do that. I'll tell you exactly what it is because like me, when I tell my story is, again, as you can see, it's very brief. This is probably as in depth as I've ever gone into my story. And listen, I would have gone way deeper. But you kind of, you breathe through. I've been to some shit, you know, like I was really doing the shit, you know. And a lot of people still struggle with that false identity. You know, it's like this imposter syndrome of someone that they never were so they have social media not to do it. You know, there's a lot of guys in my space who do it and they're fucking big.

You know, there's this guy named Joey Sua. I'm not sure have you seen them. I love the guy. The guy's doing good for the gym community, but he talks about bullies and gyms because he used to be bullied. You know, and he's created this coat of people who are just like, they all attack the person, bro. Like, they'll attack the show. Oh, fuck you. Go to hell.

Don't talk to people like this in the gym. Have you heard of Goob? I mean, it sounds familiar. Goop. So it's this guy who exposes people who do Photoshop. But the guy is like, way out of shape. And he started his career by exposing child molesters. So that's what kind of, like, attracted me to him.

And to be honest, the guy kind of looks like a child molester. I'm not sure if he maybe, I don't know, had these tendencies or maybe he was molested. That's what social media is useful. I saw you put a fucking video of Watson the other day. That's what they do. And let me tell you something. Speaking from someone who knows him personally, right, or at least a 2021 version of him, like the guy's a cool guy. You know?

Everybody says that. No, no, but speaking of 20201. I can't speak for him now. Like I don't keep up with his shit. I don't align with none of the shit he says, but he's not who he is. social media. So he portrays this version of a person that he's not because you can, right? What I portray is what I'm working on the most, which is my family, obviously the time lost, my relationship, which is I value so much and just doing everything healthy.

You know, but that's the beauty of social media. You can go either way. I don't know if you even watch the West Watson one is that, you know, he is that his message, like, he's got a good message. But his delivery, and it's funny because Ardap, they talk about how it doesn't matter what the delivery is. Well, you're wrong. His delivery is so overwhelmingly bad that you lose the message and his behavior is so bad. And it's like you've got a great it's like Jordan Peterson. He's got the same message as Jordan Peterson. But Jordan Peterson says it calmly. Yeah. Like you've got the same message. Yeah, he's a smart dude. And then West Watson, what does he do? The guy comes in the gym the other day and then, you know, like you had an

opportunity to do a, you know, a stay in your ground. The guy came in. You could have gone outside. You told people to come in the gym. You got a problem with we come down here. We'll go toe to toe outside. He comes in. That's not what you do. You or your buddies attack him. The guy's crawling away. You kick him in the fucking head twice. Oh, you got to see that. Oh, you got to see the one where he kicks him the head. I haven't kept up with shit. I used to keep up with shit like back in 2021, you know, and the guy was putting out some pretty decent shit now. The guy is just hollow today. And By the way, that's exactly, I've said that in one of these things where I talked to a guy. And when he did Big Herk, he was much calmer.

He had a better message. It's not about karma. He's just, I just feel he's being exposed for who he really is, you know, and I don't know if it's, I think he's got into a place where his character didn't match his success. Because his character was pretty good and he was doing, he was pretty successful. Right. But the guy's lost. Oh, no. Now it's, if you're not driving a Bugatti, you're a fucking loser.

If you're not, I pay fucking $30,000 a month for my fucking this. If you're not making a million a year, you're a fucking scumbag. He's a sharp dude, man. And I don't wish nothing value upon him, but he's, he looks like he's on his way down, you know. Yeah. Oh, no, he's, he would, listen, he got arrested. He bonded out. He's probably going to go to fucking, they're offering him four years.

Oh, shit. If you saw the video, it's brutal. Now, he's got an argument, but the argument was lost when your four buddies jumped in with dumbbells and beat this guy and you kicked them in the head. That was over. That's where it went. He's in Miami now. I know.

I interviewed a guy that he talks to all the time. 10 years ago, the shit that he's doing now, we have not worked here. Well, here's the thing. We've not worked. Like, for him, his path to redemption right now is exactly what you and I just said. Like, take a step back, look at yourself, say, hey, I was behaving like a scumbag, and I was doing scumbag things, and I needed to change, and I need to be a better person. and that person I was is not who I want to be.

The thing is with him, because he's changed. The guy's, he just obviously struggles with the whole, you know, I think he's, his ego just got out of control. Again, I just, because me from the street, I know he's not who he portrays himself to be. But again, he means well. He just has the message mixed with the, okay, I need to pretend I'm this person

because I'm still struggling with this. But he has nothing to lose. I mean, the guy has no kids. You know, he has no. Nobody. He's like every relationship or like when I was keeping up with him, I'm not sure if you know Bejo's Cullien is. So he was his mentor.

He was also my mentor, you know, and he, he burned bridges with the guy, you know, and he's hanging out with every time I've seen him, he hangs out with a different group of people now. So I'm like, that says a lot about your character. Like if you, if you're really, because me, I preach that your life, you're rich in life by the quality of your relationships. And if you can't keep a fucking relationship with either a woman or your friend, says a lot about your character.

Right. The guy has nothing to lose. So I don't think, I think if he had something to lose, I don't think he would be, you know, like who he is. He's not going to listen to nobody, you know. The guy is going to fucking get himself into some shit, which obviously you're telling me not like that. I wish him well, man.

I don't wish he fucking gets locked up or wherever, but the guy's lost. Bro, the guy's lost. I haven't seen this shit for a while. And every time he'll pop up, guys, we even stop following each other. You know, we used to support each other's shit. I was like, who the fuck is this guy, bro? Well, you know what's funny is I interviewed a guy named Tony the other day who while we were sitting here, West texted him twice. And he's like, you don't understand the guy.

He every couple of days, if I don't reach out to him every two or three days, he texts me. And he's like, and I don't pay him. Like, I'm not one of his clients. I was. He was a client for like six months or something. And then Tony started doing what Wes is doing. And he's got a following. And he started his own gym.

And he's like, and literally it's been years. he's like, and he still, at least once or twice a week, texts me, how are you doing? How's everything going? Whatever happened with that? And he goes, I'm telling you, Matt, he was one-on-one. He goes, you would not fucking believe how this guy behaves one-on-one. Then why not, then what I'm seeing the videos, and he's horrific. He's horrible.

But I think it goes further than that. Because, again, like, I know a lot of people who are good above surface, but the relationships, the results don't lie. You're not defined by how much money you can make. You're defined by how good your quality, the quality of your relationships are. And that tells me a lot. That is exactly what I said. Bejo-Sculian is a fucking decent guy.

He's a fucking powerhouse. If you burn bridges with this guy, fuck, you fucked up. You know, I see the actions. I see the patterns. I don't see like the actual message, you know. I was cool with the guy. When I met him, he, he, I had to do my research, you know. like, oh, this guy's a fucking, you know, he was a junkie before prison.

And he picked up some guy and that's what he went to jail for. He wasn't nothing, no leader of nothing or nothing. But that guy just became very intelligent. He learned this marketing shit. He did the work. He built his habits and he made, you know, living eye of it. But the guy is just lost, man. And it's a lot of these guys that I see, man, on social media, again, speaking about the ones I just mentioned, you know, it's social media will do that to you, man.

I think he was better when he left prison. He was more humble. He lost being humble and that just, I think it just gutted the person that he probably was on the road to. And it bothers me that he's so connected with money because the truth is I know people that are happier that are teaching their little leagues, their kids' little league working in Walmart. And I know multi-millionaires that are fucking miserable. So the idea that you think that money makes you a better person or happy. that's just the wrong message. And the thing is that he doesn't,

at least when 2021, he was doing the whole stepfather thing and the relationship thing. So his morals aligned. But again, none of it lasted. Yeah. You know, if you had a kid, I'm 100% sure he'll be completely different. You know, because I'm not going to sit here and say,

I'm some relationship expert. Yeah. You know, because I just got into a new relationship. Every relationship I get into is like a more qualitative, more growth, you know, folks' relationship. but it's people like that that they just don't have like a foundation of something to attach them to reality that they get lost in fucking social media. Social media is a, it can really fuck people up mentally.

The first mother of my son has a huge following, you know, and she's had it since before. You know, she's been on TV shows and all sorts of shit. And I kind of saw the shift in what that did to her. And this was before social media was even a thing. Like she's had it since the beginning of the days of social media. People nowadays at least know, okay, you know, I'm not going to take it this series. But some people don't. You know, some people don't.

So, yeah, it's, it's a, social media, it's a cool place to meet people to make a lot of shit happen. But it's deceiving as a motherfucker. It's very deceiving, you know. Yeah, hey, people, you don't do what they do, you know? We reconnected through social media and it's, and here we are. So I like what it can do for you. Just have to have control over what it can't do for you in all the wrong ways. I want to know what it's like going from a leader of an organization to not.

Like, did that like stop? You said you were still doing it in prison? Right. So what happens when that stops? Is there any actual like repercussions or? Great question. So before I went in because I knew that we were. possibly facing a racketeering charge, I dismantled everything.

So nobody had positions. Even though when I went in, obviously, I still had the respect. I still had my stripes. So I still let it from a place of a right. We're all going to survive. We're going to make money. We're going to keep in communication. But we live in different times.

We live in much different times. You know, nowadays, like I still keep in contact with my OGs, who are I mean you get old for certain things man like if you're 40 years old still out there doing shit I'm never going to say that I'm not I wasn't the I wasn't the

gang leader who turned his cheek and is tolling a Bible I was a guy who said this is fucking stupid that you gotta be a fucking idiot to have kids at home to have a mom who you're right put through hell and be a 30, 40 year old man who is still out here playing kid games

you know, that's me. Grow the fuck up. You know, if you're out here still thinking you're bad ass, especially on social media, like a lot of these guys, I have no hate in my heart

for a lot of these guys, but the truth is, I'll beat the dog shit out of these people. I still preach in being violent. Just control it and use it for what, use it for a righteous reason. I had it behind a really thin glass.

If my kids are ever threatened, I'm killing some shit, you know, with my bare fucking hands if I have to, I'm just not out there on the offense looking for violence. looking for violence, you know? That's my model.

Like, okay, I'm going to teach my kids how to fight. I'm going to teach my kids how to be resourceful. I'm going to teach my kids how to be dangerous, mentally, emotionally. Like, my 13th year has gone through the relationship thing already. Right. You know, and I've been there to guide them. Hey, let your balls hang. We're not doing that crybaby shit, you know?

And he doesn't be full time. So he gets like the in person firsthand feel what it's like. And he's seen me go to the relationships and the breakups. And he's like, damn, you know, this is how it's done. All right. You're fucking dangerous, dad. you're not one to cry and mope and shit. So I still preach that.

I just don't do it from a place of right, guys, you know, praise the Lord Jesus. And I'm not here to, you know, talk down on anybody who does that. My mom's a heavy Christian woman. But it's, well, you get old. You get old for certain things. You get too old for a second. Yeah, you got to get tired at one point, you know? Yeah, I'm actually very supported by the ones that actually have some sort of power.

You know, there's obviously a whole other generation running around, and I roll my streets all the time. You know, I just ran into the one leading the way right now, and he looked at me. He was like, boy, you're very inspiring. And he's into the music thing. So I'm like, go get the guys that you have around you and go do something positive with it. Because I'm going to tell you right now, as loyal as you guys are,

the elements of the illegalities, the drugs, the woman, the envy, the fuck and all that is going to spit you guys apart. You're going to get put in a situation where there are, they're going to want to kill you. You're going to want to kill them. You're going to get arrested. You're like, do something positive with it. I had some really solid people around me back in my day.

And I talked to none of them because in that environment, there is no thriving. There's just survival. Yeah. And the truth is... Well, even if it seems like you're thriving, it's just a matter of time before it catches up here. Exactly. But it's surviving. You're not thriving.

You're surviving and you're just getting better at surviving. Yeah. You're just hunting down the bigger deer. That's it. You're just, you're not, there's no, there's no, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's going to be a deadline. And luckily for me, I took the best out of the three options. Dead life or, you know, just enough time to fucking fix me. You know, I had some really good people around me, man, solid people, you know, some of who I made godfathers and my kids, I don't speak to none of them. And I've reached out to him. Hey, look, you know, even though, you know, I heard that you're about to go talk to the Fed. You know, my right hand man never snitched on paper, but he wanted to talk to the Fed. and I had this on a recorded call. I never bought that up to him. I'm like, at the end of the day, I know what we were in.

You didn't point the fucking finger and say, no, you know? So I wanted to get past that. He didn't want to get past that. I'm like, well, Harry, that's what you want to do. Guess what? At the end of the day, don't fucking forget who I am. I don't have to walk around looking with my shoulder.

You know, I did everything. I did right by people. Bad charge wasn't even mine. I took it in the chin and I'm like, we're going to write this shit out. Fuck it. Let's just do the next couple years in here together. But there's times, man, I would get in the car.

And I would already think about how am I going to kill this guy? How am I going to stick a knife in this guy's fucking neck? That's the mentality you had to have. You see those mafia movies when they walk in the room and they just off somebody, right? Like, that's the mentality I had to have. Right. You know, every time I would get in the car, these are the most loyal motherfuckers that I have. These are my loyalist soldiers, right?

They know my kids. They know my woman like we were, you know, that was still one in the back of my mind. I'm ready. I'm on go at all times. I'm either waiting for the ops to catch up to us. I'm waiting for the fucking polis to kick down my door. I'm waiting to, you know, possibly get out of this situation where maybe three guys I got in the car with who are my guys.

I want to kill me. There is no fucking, there is no positive outcome in that life. If there's something like what happened to us doesn't happen. you know so anyone watching this you know whatever uh structure a hierarchy you're in whether it's a cartel the mafia organized crimes or just some street gangs you're not going to fucking make it out it's just no way you're going to fucking make it out nobody's killing you in in the mortgage industry right no no i mean nobody's kidding in this industry you know but like i i i just i you it's not like it's not like it's not like i'm watching it's not like i'm watching good fellows when they they walk uh what uh what uh what's

his name in and there's plastic and I shoot him in the head. Is that what you do, mortgage? That mine's mortgage fraud. So it's not like I'm like, yep, that's exactly what happened. I'm not worried about it. In my life, that was a reality. Oh, listen, you taught, look, this guy I, I, um, talked to yesterday I interviewed, you a mob guy and it's just, do you interview people ever?

Oh, listen, I mean, he's talking and he's talking about shooting this guy in the head and shooting this guy and that. And I'm sitting there thinking, geez, I mean, and just matter of factly, I was told to do this and this. So I go upstairs and we walked in there and I already had the silencer. And so as soon as I pulled the gun out, he saw it, he saw it. He said, shit, he turned. And I popped them in the back of the head, he hit the ground, put another one in.

He said all this on camera. Yeah, he's already gone to the Fed. He went to the Fed. He cooperated with the Fed's did like, I forget how many years got out. Oh, listen, he talked about four different ones, four different murders. And I'm sitting there like, and honestly, typically don't, I have interviewed guys that have murder people or there were murders associated with it. But it was always kind of a, you know, and it's funny because yesterday, both the guys,

well, one guy was attempted murder. He shot the guy in the face. He lost like half his face, his teeth. But it was a, I mean, it was a tempted murder. He got charged, right? He got charged. He went to jail by it. He actually, I think, got life.

He got out in 24 years. But the other guy, the other guy did all these things and he cooperated. Basically, people were starting to cooperate against. He's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're not going to cooperate against me. And so I lied in common, man. There were people arguing and competing about who cooperated the most. I snitched on my fucking sister.

Oh, I snitched on my mom. I'm like, fuck. I always felt like people were. It was those three categories of what really changed my whole perception of the game. Was number one worst, Tomos, then the fucking gay shit that was going on in there. You remember the Puerto Ricans? How gangster and gay. they were. Oh yeah, the Puerto Ricans were

those were some savages. They were fucking killers, but they were walk around the compound touching each other's ears. Yeah. Yeah, weird shit. There was a fucking waiting on the compound one day between like one of the leaders of one of those gangs, big tough guy. I feel like I remember that. Weird as

fuck. And then you had the snitches. Yeah. You know, you had the fuck and they were open about who they snitched on. It's like 85% of of drug of the guys convicted for drugs cooperate

it's like if you do the the math it's it's actually like 90 almost 95% of people that cooperate the problem is that they don't all get the cooperation so you might cooperate I might cooperate

but you don't get the cooperation so you still cooperated but you didn't get them first or who said whatever they said first you didn't give them anything new you didn't give them enough right you know so you So it's like, oh, yeah, you know, then you get someone's paperwork and you're looking over.

It's like, you cooperate. Yeah, but no, but I didn't get nothing for it. I don't think that's how it works. It's even worse. You're right. Fuck, like you lost in the snitching group. You fucking, you cooperate and they didn't get no time knocked off, you know. But yeah, it's everybody.

It's funny. That was my perception when I first got there because, again, the snitching shit, they didn't condone. And then I kind of make men's within. And, you know, there's a few guys that I ended up learning a lot from who they cooperated. and I didn't judge them for it because I'm, I don't give a fuck about this anymore. What choice do you have? You can be a tough guy and care and start smashing people,

but you're going to do all your time in the fucking pin. I personally would have never done it because first of all, I know what the fuck I've done and I have two kids to raise. I think it's more of a character thing. For me, it was more of a character thing versus a code thing. Because there is no code. Yeah, yeah.

There is no fucking code. I've said that all the time. There's no such thing as that. And again, this is coming from somebody who was really there and wrote some of them on the black book. There is no fucking such thing as a cold. Nobody abides by it. My call was, if you're around me,

just don't be a fucking drug addict. Don't be a loud person, so we didn't have the cars. We didn't do none of that, you know? And obviously the whole, you know, the more common things. But nobody abided by that shit. When the pressure was on and that they felt that here

around the corner, people would get exposed. They are going to get fucking exposed. You know, I was at war with myself, man. I was just, it came to a point where I'm like, I'm just the most dangerous. person and then my shadow is the second most dangerous person in my organization. Like it wasn't even

someone that I depended on to go putting work with. I would just do it myself. And certain, you know, but you're just creating a co-defendant if you send somebody else. That that guy is just going to, when he gets caught, he doesn't say, I know something. And that was also something I would think about, you know, and I have co-defendants. I have things that we have done with people. We take it to the grave. But it's, it's not something that I'm proud of. And it's not something that I don't see. there's logic behind it. Again, I was so far off into this comical,

fucking fictional world of minds to think when I got to Coleman because I saw what it was for. What was it really? I'm like, holy shit, I've been playing this game and these are the players in my game because it's all street. It's all prison. Like the prison, the streets,

it's all, we're all in the same game. These are the fucking guys that are playing my game, the game that I was like live by, die by. Fuck this, fuck this because at the end of the day, a child molester is still a criminal. I'm a criminal.

We're like distant cousins. That's why I was already thinking. Holy shit, we're fucking in the same game. We're just wearing different jerseys. I'm not playing this fucking game anymore. So now I've put myself on this side. I'm like, I'm not associating myself with none of these motherfuckers. Whatever color jersey you're wearing, you know?

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Yeah, we run a background on you. So. Oh, listen. When I, when I filled out the application, this was we've been, I've been here three years, about three years. So when I filled out the lease for here, you know, ever been arrested? No. Ever been like everything.

No, no, no. Because I knew the federal thing because my federal charge was so old. If you run me, it doesn't come up. So I said it like 10 years? I think it's whatever. I'd been locked up for 13. Right. So it's like 10 years after the...

And then three years later is when I... Or I'd been released for like two years when I signed for here. So I sign perfect. Fine. Everything's great. I get the place. I move in. A year goes by.

Of course, I'm paid perfectly. And one day I get my landlord sends me a text. He says, because I do commercials for a company called home title lock that protects people against basically theft of their property, which is one of my crimes. So I get a text that says, I just saw you on a commercial. It's the only commercial. And I was like, oh, shit. And I hit him back with the emoji, the emoji.

And he put ha, ha, ha, ha. It's fine. Don't worry about it. We're good. And I was like, can I rent here? I rent. Right. Yeah.

I just got a probation. Like in July. Shit. So I've re-signed up my lease like twice since then. Right. But keep in mind, too. I was, you know, same thing. I was concerned.

Like people aren't, people aren't forgiving, you know, people, and I'm not somebody you want renting your house. I'm the guy that rents your fucking house, not my,

I wouldn't do it in my name, but he doesn't know how it works. He sees me and he sees, this is a guy who, who will take the title to your house, put it in someone else's name and borrow six mortgages against it. Right, right.

And then take off. So he doesn't know. I think that's more worrisome than what I am or who I am because I'm, they know me everywhere. Either they see me on social media, they see me in the movie,

they see me on fucking reality TV. So anywhere I've ever rented, living in a house in the row paying $8,000 a month, $100,000 a year. That's the only place I wasn't harassed because I'm like, okay,

like this guy's paying me, you know, the fuck am I going to harass this guy for? But every other place I've lived in condos and fucking, you know, and they've always harassed the shit. I mean, they know who I am.

Obviously, I stand out. They do their homework. It's not hard to just write your fucking name on social media. And then they look down your resume, and I go, oh, shit, this is this guy? Yeah.

Well, how, so there's things that we got, you know, we still got a live with, But we can change it, man. How cool is it now, though, from your old life to now to be walking through, I'm going to say the mall, the mall in Miami or something with your girlfriend and your kid and have some guy see you and be like, oh my God, bro, I follow you.

You're so. That's pretty funny. Yeah, it happens all the time. I have people, the ones that hit me the hardest are the people that come up to me, they're like, hey, I stop drinking because of you. Yeah. Yeah. I lost 50 pounds because of you.

I die like, damn, you know. You're an inspiration. You changed my life. Those are the ones that that really hit me hard. And I'm going to keep doing it because of that. It's good. It's good. Yeah, it's a big transition.

Nobody said that in your old life. Nobody. No, actually, they do. Yeah, remember, I just saw the guy that the younger generation and they're no, no, no, I'm saying when you were in your old life. Oh, yeah, I was inspired no life. Yeah, no. I did it in all the wrong ways.

Right. You know? But I actually have a documentary that I filmed a couple years ago that I never released. And it kind of goes down the question that you're asking, like, how did I get into the life? Because I remember one of the older kids of my neighborhood came up to me and I've had this. I reenacted it with my younger son, with my older son, where he tries to hand me a roll of money. And I remember when I was about to grab it, he pulled out a banana. And I remember like slapping the banana and he pushed me on the ground.

and like I was I was raised in a good home you know I was my mom was a good she just didn't have life experience and I think that's probably the most valuable thing you can give anybody is life experience it's not a skill set you know like if I can help you get healthy and make money and teach you what not to do to not go the wrong way to me that's just my personal perception is the most valuable thing you get to somebody and like all those experiences I want them very open about I mean mind you my son filmed this so We obviously knew what he was swimming for. And, yeah, man, I had to go to that.

I had to go through everything to be able to be a sacrifice for my kids, for everyone that I'm inspiring. Like, people pay me good money to work with me and figure out how the fuck did this guy get over this? How did this guy beat this habit? How did this guy, you know? So it's a transition, man, but it's definitely very fulfilling, you know, to have the freedom to leave on a Friday.

It's one of my busiest days. And to tell all my employees, they handle everything. you know, I'm going to take Friday off and I'm going to take my son right out to Bush Gardens from here and we're going to stay the night, just me and him. It's a big change, man, you know, versus leaving Miami to fucking run away from the feds. That's when I used to leave town

on last minute. Like, this was a last minute thing. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to just make a whole trip out of this. I'm going to call Matt because I know we've been going back and forth for a while. I'm going to take my son because he lives down the street to Bush Gardens tomorrow there's a dog show down the street. Fuck it.

Let's him to a dog show. and come back home and do the Easter at the house. But yeah, man, it's a lot to fucking to get used to, but it's worth it, it's worth it. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. And please share the video. Also, we're going to leave all of Eddie's, his social media links in the description box.

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