Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Former Rikers Guard Sues NYC After Controversial Termination

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

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I'm a CEO being attacked by two inmates. I hit the button and nobody comes? Correct. I was illegally, medically terminated. I don't make enough money or have enough money if I live long. I'm not to work until I die. Right. And I needed some kind of pension or something.

And so I ran into some guy or some correction officers, and they're telling me all the money they're making and that there's no wage limit. And I'm like, you serious? How old were you? I was 44. Really? Yeah. And everything they said checked off.

And I applied and here I am. So did you have to go to like a school or something? No, no, no. I mean, they hire you. They just show up the day. They give you a badge? No, no. You have to take a test.

Okay. You have to pass a background track, drug tests. They physically check you to see. You have to do some physical stuff, which is all relatively easy. but they go through your phone. You have to get naked in front of them to make sure that you're not coming in pre-injured with injuries that you're not disclosing.

And that, then they give you a starting date on the start of the academy. Yeah, that's what I meant, the academy. Like, you have to go, yeah, you have to go. That's training? Yeah, yeah. This is the pre-hire stuff that I was just talking about. Right.

And then the academy is five and a half months long for us. Fuck. You get paid? Yeah. Okay. You get paid. Okay. Yeah, you get paid.

I mean, they beat the hell out of you, demean you. In the beginning, teach you a lot of rules and regulations. I mean, there is so much stuff there that people don't realize how much trouble we can get, us as officers can get in for not even turn the blind night or some stuff. Right. Yeah. Cell doors don't work over there. It's insane. They don't tell you that in the academy.

Right. And all of a sudden, like, hey, Matthew Cox just got jumped in his cell. What the hell's going on? Oh, Nick, it's your fault. You know, cell doors weren't secured. Tag, you're it. Suspension. Okay.

So you better, when you're in that academy, you better pay attention to them, especially the rules and regs part. The physical stuff is whatever. It's physical. Right. So once you graduate the academy, do you, I mean, they don't just throw you into a unit. Yes, they do. No. Do they?

You don't have like somebody that watches you for a little bit? No, part of the academy, at least in mind, now they've trimmed it down. In my academy, we had four weeks of what's called OJT on-the-job training. And so that's when they sort of throw you to the walls, but not completely because they'll put you in the housing area where you get the nice guys, the compliant guys. So someone like yourself who's not non-violent. Somebody's not going to throw feces on you. Right. Yeah, exactly. So they're going to be all polite and stuff. And I remember my first day, I'm like, I called my girlfriend when I got out of there. I'm like, oh, sweetie, the media, they are, they are, Trump is right. They are fake news. They make Rikers Island seem like, like this place is full of animals. Right. Well, because day one, I'm there with the guys who are scammers. So everybody's polite, well-groom. No one's cursing at you, throwing feces, nothing like that. And I'm like, what's going on here? This is not.

the record is that it's not the job that I signed up for I'll take it yeah but boy oh boy the media made it sound like this place was a zoo it wasn't yeah reality check how long until you get to one of those units day two they do they do but even there they don't say you to like the the high classification guys because they you just don't have the training the experience to go out there or or even know what the hell you're doing right to deal with those guys and they know Those guys are savages, it's sharks. They could smell the newness in you, and they'll take advantage of you immediately.

I mean, like blood in the water. I mean, you know what I. Yeah, yeah. You know what it is. Yeah. But they could tell with the shiny shoes, the new belt, the shield. Actually, no, at the academy, we didn't have the shields yet.

But a lack of a shield, they're like, oh, it's like a substitute teacher. Hey, fellas, party is on. So, so what, what, what, what, how long, how long, how long, I was there? I mean, how long? I was there for three and a half years before I was, uh, uh, illegally, medically terminated. You ever read a headline and think, wait, that's not what I read earlier, or hear a story that was covered two totally different ways and think, I wonder which one's telling the truth. We all know the news can be biased. Algorithms push stories that they think you want to see. And some

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I could talk about it freely on this podcast because everything I say, I have the paperwork, everything lines up to everything I'm saying. Cities, all they're doing is just delaying, delaying, delaying, because my foot's on their throats. Right. And there's no way that you get out of it. And I can't wait until somebody takes a stand right there in front of a jury and faces me and my attorney on what happened there.

What, do you want to? Ask me anything you want to know. Ask me anything. What happened? Well, I was... You're working there. Yeah, I'm working there. Everything's fine.

I'm breaking up a fight. This is during COVID. So now we have a severe staffing shortage. We have staffing shortages constantly because of gross mismanagement of nepotism all over. That's flooded like cancer throughout the department. But on top of that, combine that with COVID where we were the epicenter of COVID-19 in New York City. We were letting guys go because of the COVID-19 because you're high risk. Oh, you're 50 years old?

As long as you're not in there for murder, all right, something less, a little less? or we'll let him go because he's high risk. Right. Yeah. Well, they were doing that in the federal system too. They let thousands and thousands of inmates go. Yeah, they just sent him home on an ankle monitor. Like, you're not, you're not, you're over 50 years old and you have diabetes or something

or, you know, you're breathing issues or whatever it is, you know, you're high risk and you've got 10 years left to go. Fuck it. Send them home. Yeah. I don't know the numbers because obviously I didn't have access to that information, but they were doing basically the same thing. Right.

So I'm breaking up this fight. Surprisingly, it's a one-on-one by themselves bare knuckles. Nobody's helping. I mean, nobody's jumping in. It was passionate. Personally, I think that they were former lovers or something. Right. Okay.

No, I do because it wasn't just like typically a fight is me and you. We fight over a bag of potato chips or the TV or phone time or something. You know, boom, boom. No, these two wanted to keep going This whole fight lasted 32 minutes That's insane. A three minute fight is a long time.

Right, 32 minutes. I sprayed him And one party, one of the persons, the bigger guy, he was like a boxer. The way he moved and everything. And even when the other one would try spit, he was so fast,

he was dodging this even to spit. I'm like, oh, shit. And he's, uh, he got the, what the department calls the desired results. Of the pepper spray? Right. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So he screamed and hit the ground. He screamed and hit the ground and ran to his buddies on the back end of the tier. But the other one was part of LGBT community transitioning. So I think that that's the one that when I sprayed him or her, whatever you want to call, had no effect. None. Are the LGBTQ? Are they immune? No, no. I don't know if it's like the hormones or the shots or even maybe what drugs they were taking.

Totally immune. I mean, the eyes did not even get red. I see you spraying this guy and he's like, you know, with water, like, like, yeah. No, no, no, no. The other one gave me nothing but headaches. Mind you, this person was hanging out with me for like an hour just talking, talking to me by my desk. after or before? No, before. Okay. You know, it's just a regular conversation from the Bronx and if a triple murder.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, tell me a little about the details of the case. I'm like, oh, geez, you know, get comfortable. Sounds like both those people had it coming. Right. They disrespected me. No, it wasn't even like that.

No. I don't want to get too much details of it because I know the people from the city are going to be watching. I don't want to affect that person's case. Right. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm not here for that. So what happened?

So you sprayed the one guy, he's loving it. I mean, the one guy runs off, he takes off. The other guy is totally immune. Totally immune. And I have a foreign last name. Right. So a lot of people felt like they would disrespect me if they mispronounce it, even though I told him how to say, which is fine.

I've dealt with all my life. So it's not news to me that someone misspels or mispronounces my name. So everybody calls me, G, even my captains. And wardens, everybody. Gee, G, G, G, G. It's like, yo, G, get the fuck out the way. I don't want to hurt you. This person, one-on-one, can't hurt me

unless they get me from behind or something, you know? I'm like, listen, I'm not letting you guys keep fighting. Right. My job is to break this up. There's no way. If you got to run through me, boom, boom, boom. Did it several times. I'm pushing her away.

And there's a, there's a jail, there's a door that devised the tier. And I, I didn't even know that there was a chain on it. Like, it's actually chained open. Okay. Believe it or not. I had no idea because no one ever opens or closes that, that door. Not once, ever. So I'm like, okay, I pushed her away.

And I'm like, okay, let me, let me slam this door shut. There's a chain. And I'll just wait. There's a fucking chain. Okay. I didn't know. So, but, you know, you know, I know now. But then I'm like, I'm like, pulling, pulling.

I look up and I thought the gate, the door was jammed against something in the ceiling. I'm looking up. By the way, Matt, all of this is on camera. Right. There is footage of this the whole time, and I've seen it. And I'm looking up. I'm like, what the fuck's going on? Why doesn't this door close?

You see me climbing, like sort of like Spider-Man, holding on to the thing, just trying to pry it, pride, pride. I look down, the chain is at the bottom. And they changed as thick as my forearm. Okay, well, guess what? I'm not winning that battle. And I had a captain and an officer on the bridge. This thing called the bridge. So basically, when you're leaving your housing area to go get your methadone

or go see the doctor or lawyer or visits, there's a small area called a bridge about the size of a small car, about it like the size of a Toyota Corolla. That's where the officers are supposed to pat-frisk you and check you before you go go. on out into the rest of the building. And so they were escorting what we call a red ID. A red ID is a person that was either highly violent or brought contraband in.

So this person needs, quote, quote, extra attention. Right. Yeah, yeah. Pay attention to this one here. So they're paying attention to that. But that person's on the bridge by themselves with two officers, a captain and an officer. They could have came in and helped. But, oh, they stood there.

arms against the doors stood there watching the whole time again this is all on camera I need I need DOC to explain this in court right yeah why didn't they come in I never spoke to by the way I've never seen that captain

or officer before my life before that day or after ever ever so I don't know I was like hey I'm not mentioning names but yeah do you remember Captain so-so like no who's that who's that who's that I'm asking also I don't know

Okay, so what happens with the guy that's trying to get through you and the chain on the door? What happens? Like, how do you keep him separated from the other guy? Well, that's what I did for 32 minutes. This person was just sort of like a football player. I know you're not into sports or stuff. Like, you know, when they try to break the, to get that touchdown. Do you're just pushing them back for 30-something minutes?

He's what is that? And just prying them apart because the 32 minutes is also part of me prying them apart in the beginning. Okay. And I'm like, yo, I'm going to spray. I'm going to spray. I'm trying to do everything not to spray because it's going to get on me too, as well as the other inmates, because it's not like ventilation is very good in there. Yeah. Just like anything else, nothing's good in there.

And I'm hitting the alarm. Hit me alarm. Hitting the alarm. No backup. You know why? Mismanagement. Well, doesn't the alarm button go to everybody? No, it's called a PBA, personal body alarm.

Right. So doesn't everybody get notified? There's a guy. Correct. There's a, because we call it the deuses. He hit the deuses. Okay. And have you heard of that term?

No. No. In the federal system, they, you know, hit the deuses, which means, and as soon as they just had like a little red button on the radio, they hit that button. Yeah. And you could immediately, they start screaming lockdown. Right. And everybody, every, out of every single unit, every guard in every single unit runs full

blast out of their unit and converges on that one spot. you would see 20, 30 guards running across the compound towards that unit. And they would rush straight up the stairs or straight in the door and run straight to them. I mean, it wasn't 20, it wasn't probably 20 seconds before at least the first guard gets there. Because you guys didn't think some people are closer. Within a minute, everybody on the compound's there. Swarming in, screaming a lockdown, they've pulled you apart. There's no way.

I wouldn't even take a full minute. like I said, probably 15, 20 seconds before the first two or three guards even run it. Because they're only that far away. So they hit the button, you know, hit the deuses and you're here, lock down, lock down, you can immediately look up and see doors, bam, bram, bam, you know, and guards just fucking full-blown running because if you didn't run, you're fired.

Right. Like, nobody's walking. That's the way it's supposed to be. Matt, being that this whole incident is everything's on surveillance, that what you just described is the way it's supposed to be. Right. That place is wherever location that you were at was managed properly and the rules weren't forced. Right.

The exact opposite happens at my building, AMKC. Okay. If you're walking the halls and those red lights start coming on, you're supposed to do exactly that. You're supposed to go suit up, put on a turtle suit and go out there. You're not running in like I've seen what you just described where guys are just coming in like blind. Yeah, blind. No, that's not happening.

No, that's not. I mean, that's not even procedure. So our procedure is when that light is on, the red light, you run to the front, you suit up. It's called suit up. And then we all go in as a unit. And believe me, they're not running out there the way you described. They are marching slowly.

Yeah, these guys aren't waiting for the, there's no suit. They're coming straight in. And that's for the people who actually suit up. Again, you know how many people pass by the other thing and you say, fuck it, I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not that's that all comes out to management that's gross mismanagement

and again it's on camera right the whole thing that's why I feel like people like oh you feel so confident how can I not be it's all on camera they have to do they have to explain this in court yeah so um they have a this thing becomes technical so I you know like almost has to think like a lawyer which I know you do so I get do I what do you call me what do you think yeah think like a fucking idiot sometimes but okay that no listen trust me people are constantly it's kind of like the asshole thing you know where it's like I'm like you know if 50 people call you an asshole you you're probably an asshole you know but I mean and people

are constantly doing the whole like you know you're super smart and I'm always like am I like I I always feel like I'm fucking I'm I'm kind of a tard sometimes like I lose my car when I leave the the restaurant, like where we park? Like, you know, I have no idea like that. But everybody keeps saying that. So I'm going to go with, I'm with you. I like that version better. Yeah, but it's accurate.

Trust me. It's coming from me. Okay. It's got to be true. Yeah, so certified. Right. Yeah. No, no honest.

No, but you are a smart guy. Listen, to do what you did, you have to be smart. Now, smart people sometimes fuck up. They have weaknesses. Keep all this in there. Smart doesn't mean perfect. Exactly. Exactly.

Smart is not perfect. So you are a smart guy. Yeah. Overconfidence. It's overconfidence. You screw up sometimes. You get overconfident. But that's why there's pencil.

That's why there's racist on pencils. Because everybody makes mistakes somewhere at some point. That's why there's prisons. So what happens? So these guys, so nobody's coming. Nobody's coming. No, eventually I do get one guy who comes in and I know. By accident.

No, someone who actually does his job. Right. No. How many guards are here are in, are in the vicinity? How much? many COs are in the basic general. Not many. Okay. Ten? They're not allowed to leave their post. The ones that are in the vicinity? No, you cannot abandon your post, period, under any circumstance. I'm a CEO. So being attacked by two inmates, I hit the button. No, these guys aren't allowed to leave

their post to come. Correct. So I'll give you a scenario. No, I'm telling you, black and white, like what's rules and regulations. So where I was was called quad up before A, right? So, that means there's an officer and called the bubble that just sits there all they're watching that and there's also quiet up before B so now that

meaning there's two officers within the vicinity of from here to the refrigerator right no they cannot leave their post to come help me even if I'm being stomped out they cannot

no no that's black or white when they roll back the cameras they say oh no Matt you went to help Nick well you abandoned post you're not allowed to do that unless this is not as good of a job as you said it was no I said it's a good paying job

I said yeah yeah yeah if somehow you could last right yeah go ahead so those guys would lose their job and if they left their post depending on their status of the disciplinary status how far they are up the thing but you're definitely getting written up for it you're getting what we call tagged like disciplined

or you're going to get tagged for sure I mean they made that clear or it's in the academy as well you can't abandon your post you got to stay it be the best possible witness now unless it's a dpf which is a deadly physical force they teach us this crap right it doesn't make sense yeah so i could stop the five i could stop the guy getting beat to death or i could just make sure i'm a good if it's a dpf situation okay then all hands on deck then anything goes okay but if it's just me like getting punched in the mouth or something that's not dpf i feel like that is i feel like that's quickly going to that's the argument

I would make as well. Yeah. You know, if I was in that situation, they're like, I'm going in, helping you, and I'll deal with the discipline

later on. That's just me personally, and I've done it, and somehow I didn't get written up, but whatever. Okay. So go ahead. Sorry.

After, I finally get help, which is supposed to be a unit with a captain. But it's one guy. Just one guy. Now, this guy's fucking big.

Yeah. He's huge. I mean, this guy can move a car. Okay. And once I saw him, I was like, okay, cool,

cool. You know, like, we're going to finally put this thing to rest, whatever quarrel these two have, because one of them was anti-LGBQ and the other one's exactly that. Right.

And it became very sexist. Okay. The story. That's why I believe that something was going on between them romantically. It was like, love us quarrel or something. Okay. I can't prove it, but whatever.

I'm exhausted, dude. Obviously, 32 minutes is just agonized and stress because one of them's in there from murder. This other one's here for triple murder. These are not guys like you or who stole cars or bank fraud or anything like that. Right. And I go there. I'm against the wall like this. Just covered. Like, I'm exhausted, man. I'm trying to catch my breath. I'm hurt.

I needed four surgeries after this. Okay. From all the, I'm sorry, say again? Like shoulder surgeries? Shoulder back, elbow, and knee. Jesus. Yeah. I mean, how many people out there are? are trained or could go out there and do this for 32 minutes.

Right. I could practically drive back to where I just came from in 32 minutes. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's a long time. It's not like even professional boxers get the bell every what, four minutes or something. Three minutes and I think one minute break or something? Yeah.

Yeah. And you get their buddies tapping. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, keep going. And they're trained. Right. And I'm definitely not. Right. Right.

Not for something like this. I get this, and I'm going to show you, I'll tell you something here, how I had the respect of the guys, because I treat everybody with respect, regardless of your charges, even though you might be a piece of shit and everything, until you give me a reason not to treat you with respect and dignity, I treat everybody the same way I'll treat you. And they saw that, believe it or not, my incompetent captain there comes in now, because now when that big guy comes in. And because once he gets the other guy, I said, I can't get this one here. everything's settled I'm against the war like this the inmates put their arms around me

and a captain a dude a useless captain what should I do what should I do looking around inmates curse her out what the fuck are you doing you don't bitch

don't you see your officer G needs help call medical emergency what are you doing she's like she says you know what go to the clinic by yourself Okay.

Yeah. Imagine that. Right. Tells you to walk there instead of calling them. Right. And you see me limping out there. Again, I'll keep emphasizing. Everything's on camera.

Everything's on camera. This is what we go to court with. I go there and they're like, oh, listen, you need to go to the hospital. Because you're almost having a heart attack because they're checking you up. Now, of course, my blood pressure is going to be extremely high in a tense situation like that

being overly exhausted on top of that. Right. And that's it. So, you know, go to the hospital. They recommend I take a month off, you know, to recover. And then during that time, I'm going to get MRIs, x-rays. Turns out I needed to get four surgeries because of this incident. And then now this is a way it becomes tricky.

That's when they say, okay, fine, Nick, you come back to work on light duty. It's called an accommodation. So basically, instead of being in the housing area watching guys, I could be behind the scenes answering phones or hitting the button to let, some of the gates open. Right. A non-inmate, you know,

so it's sort of like just sitting here. Like, okay, oh, you're coming through, show me ID. Zapp. Okay, go through, watch the door close and then just wait for the next person

to come through. That's, it's called an accommodation. Right. Yeah, so they accommodated me. So what they can't do, this is where my lawsuit really gets into play.

Is what they can't do is give me an accommodation, say, Nick, you're injured, really bad, but you're good enough to come in and answer phones and stuff,

and then take that accommodation away for me. While you have people who don't need accommodations doing that same exact work. Okay. So let's say you, Matt, you're an officer just like me, but you're hooked up. Your uncle's the warden or your neighbors with the warden in real life or whatever.

So he said, Matt, I don't want you out there fighting with these drug addicts and gang members and all this shit. Come in and I'll find you a nice perky post over here, answering phones or answering emails. No, no, no. Matthew is not injured. Matthew has no restrictions.

Matthew's supposed to be in the housing area. I apologize for pointing. It's fine. That's rude. Matthew's supposed to be in the housing area with the inmates. And Nick is supposed to be here until he recovers. That's the way it's supposed to be. Right.

So that's where it becomes a discrimination. It's called a cooperative dialogue. It's a little clause in the ADA, American Disabilities Act. And they're in huge violation of that. So they move you back. there and what three weeks or two months later or six months later they say oh i think it's four or five weeks they gave me like a desk job and like answering phones right so then they say then once you come back they say okay well you're going to put you back in the housing unit no so they kept me there no

no that no so they kept me there and they said oh okay so we're letting you go after after i think it was 16 months don't quote me on it right now you're going to let me go for what what's a reason for letting me go i was still on probation at that point okay so the way But I got injured. Yeah. Keep going on. Yeah. Right.

You can't use me up. You can't allow me to get injured and then fire me because I'm on probation for no reason. I'm injured. So you're letting me go on probation because I'm because I mean. Like what's the justification for letting me for for firing me on probate? You know, you're saying it's not like you're saying, yeah, you're not working out. The reason you're saying I'm not working out is because I was injured. Like that's not a justification.

to fire me. Right. I can still do the job. It's not like, hey, I'm showing up late fucking over and over again, or I'm showing up drunk or I'm, or I can't, you find out I can't read. I'm not able to fill out the paperwork or something like that.

Like, that doesn't make sense. And that's exactly, the scenario, I mean, you sounded like my lawyer, right? Just, without the actual legal.

Yeah, I'm sure he's got the actual verbiage. Yeah. Exactly. But that's exactly, that's what we're going to court with. So they said that, oh, Nick, you're on probation.

We could do. exact words, we could do whatever we want to you. That's not true. I know it's not true. You know it's not true, but this is what they say. So we could do whatever we want to you. You have no rights. And I'm like, that doesn't make sense.

We have rights. So I go up to them like this, just to shut them up. Because some people just, they're too dumb. They just believe everything they hear. And it was a black person that said it to me. Now, I had to play the race car because he's saying I have no rights. Right. I'm not, okay, cool.

I said, do you want to test your theory out? They're sticking his chest out. Like, yeah, I want to test it out. I said, sure, let's go. How about this? I said, you're black and I'm white, correct? He says, yeah. I said, so basically where you're saying is, if I'm in charge,

I could say no black person ever gets off of probation, period. They could be perfect because you have no rights. looks at no you can't do that I said so you do have rights then oh oh okay funny how all of a sudden now when we test this little theory of yours

or what you believe to be the theory now now of a sudden no you can't do that oh okay again this is what we go to court they got to explain themselves so it's like religion race and in your case

it's disability I'm injured you fired me because I'm injured That's the only justification you can have for firing me or letting me go. And the probation thing is arbitrary. You've determined, oh, by the way, you're on probation for two years. Really? You just pick two years?

No, no. No, they make it. We're aware of it. We sign paperwork. I understand being aware of it. But of course, you're going to sign the paperwork. I'm being hired. Like, I think I'm not going to do anything wrong for two years.

But you arbitrarily chose a time limit. Like, all of this is just kind of policy. You know what I'm saying? policy isn't doesn't your policy doesn't trump my you know my civil liberties right it doesn't trump my rights at you know under the constitution you don't get you don't get to say by the way we're going to we're going to pay you while you're on probation or whatever we're going to pay you less because you're black sign here do you see what I'm saying you could sign there you could say yeah that's fine and sign there but guess what I can sue you why because because that because

you your policy doesn't trump my rights you're not allowed to to discriminate. Yeah, but you signed it. Doesn't matter that I fucking signed it. You weren't allowed to even put it down. Matt, this is what I go to court with. Again, okay. If my lawyer happens to die before my trial starts, I'll hire you. Okay. I'm serious. I'll fly you in. Right. Say, Matt, come in. Be a little charismatic here to explain this to the jury. I'll have the, I'll get the, I'll get the words down a little bit better. Yeah, I'll read a couple. I'll read a couple dollars here and there with, you know, yeah, I'll have better. This is just off the cuff. I'll be better. Absolutely. Same. Me and you

we're speaking on the same non-lawyer lingo? Yeah. And that's exactly what we're going to court with. And they're going to delay, delay. My lawyer already told me he's going to take two to five years because they're going to delay, delay, delay, delay, deny, deny, deny. Offer some money to shut me up, which, by the way, I'm going to deny.

Even if it's a million dollars, I'm denying it because there's a bigger jackpot here at the end of this rainbow. Okay. Yeah, yeah. What else is? They chose it. Right. No, so.

Why not come in? You don't always kill it. me about the government is like their delay tact. In the end, it must work for them, to be honest. The delay tactic must work. But I hate to say that because the government, listen, nobody, and I used to say that we say this in Coleman all the time, but it's true in any facet of government. Nobody gets to the top of their field and ends up working for the government. Absolutely. I agree. There's no, like, you go to the doctor.

It's like, first of all, nobody becomes a doctor, the BOP because they're at the top of their field. Definitely not. That's a huge pay cut. You're on the bottom fucking rung. So it's like the same thing with the lawyers. Like if you become a U.S. attorney or whatever, like you're pro, unless your goal is I'm going to sacrifice because I think I can end up being like U.S. attorney or maybe, maybe you know what I'm saying like maybe you have career aspirations or you don't need the money. For instance, Robert Mueller, who was the FBI director and he wanted to be U.S. attorney, right? He didn't need the money.

His family had. They were already rich. So if you're saying, hey, we're wealthy and we've done very well for myself and I'm now going to go into government, okay, I get that. Maybe you were successful. But for the most part, if you're a lawyer working for the state of New York, you know, and you're in their basically in their civil department. Right. You're probably not a great fucking lawyer.

I have a million percent agree. They're not making, they're thinking, here's our, the standard M.O. Is delay, delay, delay. They'll get frustrated and they'll take whatever we offer them because they're so desperate for the money after four years. But I wonder if there's some actuary out there that hasn't crunched the numbers to say, listen, you're better off going in right away. Because that's what insurance companies do.

They go in right away and say, look, take 50s. $50,000 because you just got hurt and you're probably thinking I'm going to get I'm going to have a surgery. I'm going to be better. I'll be back at work in six months. Not realizing if the insurance company knows if we wait, this guy's going to realize that the injury he has is he is now going to be permanently partially disabled for the rest of his life. And that it's not worth 50. That's worth a fucking million dollars minimum. Right. Because you will even if you get a job, you are now excluded from certain jobs. You may say, oh, you can work. Yeah, I can work.

But I can never work as a CEO. I'll never be able to work as a, any physical jobs, like a police officer, I'll never be able to turn this into the, become an FBI officer. There's tons of stuff I can't do now because I'm permanently, partially disabled. So that wasn't worth 50 grand. That was worth a couple million dollars because I'm, even the jobs I can take now are going to pay less. And they may not be the jobs I want. Because let's face it, the job you liked was kind of being the CEO. probably liked, you know, some people like that environment. Some people like being cops. Right. So you've now permanently taken me out of law enforcement by this injury.

Yeah. And there's a certain dollar value to that. Right. Yeah. So even if you can work, you're still partially disabled from here on out. Right. By the way, I was a workman's comp adjuster for about a year. Were you? Yeah. So I know the difference being, you know, people are like, oh, you're, you're disabled. Well, yeah, but then there's partially disabled. And then there's you're permanently, so you can be partially disabled for a certain period of time, and now you're 100% then you can be permanently partially disabled, which means you can work, but you'll always be at 20% capacity. And so you have to pay people for that. And there's a, and workman's comp. There's even a calculation. And that's a shitty calculation.

I'll tell you a story. Matt, this thing has been one disaster after another in terms of dealing with the, either incompetence or lies, blatant lies. So what happens is in order for me to get medically terminated like I was, you have to go to this place called HMD, which is a health management division. So you go there every single month to the corrections doctors, which are bottom of the barrel doctors that we talked about, the guy who barely passes class,

who's not good enough to get his own practice, that's this guy. Or has been fired from two or three hospitals and isn't getting a job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's this guy. And so they sit down and they say, okay, it's been one year, who do we get rid of? And so my name came up. And so it's a doctor and an ADW. I'm not mentioning names, but we could do a Google search on what happened to this guy.

Okay. Yeah, another beauty. He gets caught stealing overtime from the city, forging paperwork. Okay. And they give him a promotion. Doesn't get fired, doesn't get arrested. He gets to be in charge of that whole division, the management division. Not to go to the jails, to be around inmates where he's supposed to.

Even their union, the ADW's union, said this should not have happened. Guess what? Not only did it get promoted to that position just recently within maybe a month, he got promoted again to Deputy Warden. How? I mean, I could tell you how it works in the BOP. What would happen? Enlighten me, because I know there's plenty of people out there that are in support of me, and I just got this information recently. So here's what happens is if you're, if you're a problem for the BOP, so they have such a strong, once you become, you know, you're fully vested and you're a part of the union, right? So the CEOs have a union.

Yeah, once you pass probation. Right, and this is in the federal. Okay. And this is what I've been told by other, what I've been told by other staff members. Yeah. So we had a counselor that was named Ms. Jenkins. I will use names. So, and this is normal, right?

So you become, so now you're, you're, whatever, your staff, you're on your union. And so if you're such a problem for a facility that they can't just come to you and fire you. They can't say like, look. Why not? You could go out there and steal from a job and they're entitled to keep you? Well, typically, you'd have to probably be charged with that crime. Like, you would have to have like the- That's my point, incompetence, governmental incompetence.

What I'm saying is that you would have to be charged from, like, let's say, the local, whatever, the local cops would have to come and arrest you. And even then you have hearings and all these things you can do. And he did what he's being accused of and he kept his job. Right. Well, what happened, let's say Ms. Jenkins was like a horrible CEO, correctional officer. She was such a problem writing up so many people causing so many problems and making stuff up and whatever. The point is that she's such a problem.

They want to get rid of her. You know, first what they'll do is they'll move you to, they'll give you assignments that they think will frustrate you and get you to quit. Absolutely. So if you don't quit and you keep being a problem, then they'll get to a point where they'll try and move you to another, like usually what they'll do is they try and get rid of you from, let's say that prison. Right. You know what? Let's move her to another prison, to another this, to another, move her around. Because a lot of these prisons are complexes.

They have multiple prisons. Like they'll have a pen and they'll have a camp. Right. Because the people at the camp, the inmates at the camp will take care of the prison. They'll mow the yards. They'll do maintenance, right? They're trustworthy. But the guys at a pin, you can't let them work on the motors.

Hell no. They'll turn them into knives and start killing people. So the point is, is that they'll move her from the pen to the camp. Then they'll say, okay, well, you know what, let's move her to a completely different facility. And keep in mind, that's a problem because the moment they do that, they have to buy your house, right? They either have to buy it or they have to put it on the market, and then they have to provide you a bonus or they have to provide you a per diem to move, you know, a moving, whatever they call that. per diem, they give you money to move. Okay. That doesn't go on over here, but okay.

Okay, so that's the feds. So, but they have to offer you that, like, hey, we have a, we have an opportunity for you to go here, this other place or this other prison. Now, she can say no, if it's a lateral move, if it's a lateral move, she can say, no, I like it where I'm at. I don't want to move. I don't want to go to California. No, but you get extra money because it's, you get better pay.

Yeah, but the cost of living is higher. Yeah. And she's like, yeah, I don't want to do that. My family's local. And they'll be like, or maybe they'll say, hey, I know you have family in Georgia. Right. We're going to move you to Atlanta, Georgia. Yeah, I don't want to do that.

They're like, fuck. So then here's what you can't. You cannot turn this down. We have a promotion in Atlanta. So you get to be a unit manager. Turn that down and we can fire you. Really? Right.

And so she has, they're like, now she's like, fuck. So they move you here. Right. And why do they do that? Because the warden at the prison that you're at right now doesn't like the fact that you're constantly writing up inmates. You're doing too much. You're doing too much. You're causing us too much work.

Right. You know, even whether it's true or not. It's too many waves. Right. It's true or not. You're causing everybody problems. You're creating too much paperwork, too much work for us. We're sick of it.

We told you to calm down. You won't do it. So guess what? There's a, you can now be a unit manager or whatever, a counselor. Whatever, yeah. We're going to transfer you. You have to take it. So you take it.

But it's also a bump and pay. Yeah, a force promotion. Poor woman. Right. So you get Jenkins. Yeah, poor Miss Jenkins. Let me set up a go fund me for her. So now she's a counselor.

And then what happens is after two or three years there, they're like, she is such an issue here. The new warden's like, I got to get rid of her. I've tried to get rid of her. I can't. The warden or the union. keep stepping in every time we complain about her or we write her up and they fight it and we have to drop those those write-ups or whatever we can't get rid of her so you know what we're going to get rid of this way we know they're at a position is up is here so they move her here and they give her an

so what happens is the bad apples or the people that nobody wants to deal with the people that are a problem they keep getting pushed up pushed up pushed up before you know it they're unit managers or their assistant wardens of some little some little unit whatever bullshit camp somewhere that nobody wants to be at and then they get there and they start they try and eventually get them to a point where they're they're not a problem for them anywhere and then but the problem is by that point they've been in the system for 10 15 20 years they know the game they've been pushed up they're making they've got clout i'm now i'm now a warden of a of a camp and i'm making 200 thousand dollars or 250,000 and I've got 15 guys underneath me. And, and you go, how did this person

become because they were doing too much or they were a problem? Now, if you actually catch another charge and they can, they can, because you can get a charge and still not lose your job, right? But if you become like a felon or something, a lot of times they can, they can basically fire you. Okay. But that takes a lot, you know, to get these people charges. Like, you'd have to get arrested for something. Can't be like a DUI. It's got to be something major. It's got to be,

you got caught for, you know, whatever, shooting somebody or burglary or something really... It's very unlikely he's not going to happen. Right.

And so that's what happens a lot of times is you get these CEOs. We had a guy who was a CEO. He was a CEO. Yeah. He'd been caught harassing inmates. This is a male CEO,

really harassing a male inmate. What? This guy had been a lot... been doing this for 10, 15 years, and he literally, every year or two, he got so many write-ups for it. They would, so they go to him and they're like, we can fire you. Or, and you could fight it. Or you can just go to this other prison.

It's easier to transfer, for you to take a transfer, like, it's a fresh start for you. Stop doing whatever these people are saying you're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah. And he moves. Six months later, he's harassing other inmates. He gets a couple write-ups. So the new guy says, look, man, we're going to transfer you, bro. Like, I'm sorry, you can't be doing this.

I'm not saying it's true, but we've got three guys saying it, like it's an issue. And he doesn't necessarily know that this has been an issue at the other prison. Right. They move him again. It's like the priests. We just keep shifting them from one prison to another, just like they sent him to one church or one jurisdiction or whatever it was. They just keep doing it. We had guys that, a guy that was there, he's probably in his 50 years.

late 50s and he was harassing the inmates calling him in there telling him, oh, you work out, do you? You look like your work out. How old are you? You know, if you have sex with another man in prison, it doesn't make you gay. What? What? That's the conversation. Yeah, like I'm only gay for the state or something like.

I got to be like, what did you say? Yeah, I'm going to go. Well, let's talk. No, we're good. I'm good. I'm leaving. And can I leave? If you want to leave, yeah.

If there's someone just shooting the shit with you. I don't want to be a part of this conversation, bro. Yeah, it's kind of kind of. Yeah. So that's why these guys, you, that's why, that's the same kind of thing. You're like, how is this guy still got a fucking job? Because it's too difficult to fire them. Yeah, with this one, you know, I don't know how the rules are over there

and the feds with the transfers and stuff. We're in New York City. So you can only do it so far. Right, yeah. And from what I'm hearing, I can't verify it. this guy doesn't even jail. Like, like he's always given, he knows the right people.

God bless him. I wish I knew the right people. I wouldn't be on his podcast. I wouldn't be on this podcast if I did. Right. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't be in a situation I'm in. But I don't know the right people.

This guy does. But he gets a steal from the city and it gets swept under the rug. And meantime, that's the motherfucker that signs off on my termination. Well, me, he should, he should run for Congress. Yeah. She's a shoe in. They're like, he's one of ours. Yeah.

Yeah, by the way, the guy, he's not really, I don't know how you get overtime in an office setting and you're not even in the jail. The guy made over $260,000 last year. Like I said. Public information. Congress. Yeah. It's one of us. He should run.

I thought you were going to say he's not that smart. I don't know him personally. You know, I've never even met him. So I mean, him, we might not have even crossed paths as far as I know. I know what he looks like. I don't recall ever seeing him besides pictures yeah

but whatever like I said I see you in court right yeah so naturally you said you worked but by the way

I didn't know that that you worked so what are they gonna do the second you get a claim oh he walked in injured even though you said they've already they strip search you

they did a physical chat but I'm saying that that's what workers comp does that their first line of defense is oh he was always injured yeah he's injured by the way I've never been injured

right I've never been injured right I've never for anything. Not one. Right. So when I lost my job, I called my attorney. When they let me go, it's like, oh, they can't do that.

You have a work? You know, we have a case open and all this shit. I was like, yeah, what do you mean to tell you? I can't force them to take me back. Right. He's like, don't apply for unemployment. He tells me, we're going to have workers' comp pay. It pays you way more.

Okay. So they squeezed me for five months without pay. So five months, I have zero income coming in. And all they're doing is delaying the hearings, delaying delaying, delaying to squeeze you, squeeze. They're following me. Squeezing, squeezing, squeeze and squeeze and squeezing. You believe they try to bring in a fake witness on a hearing against me? Who?

The warden, who was not there. Okay. They're like, oh, Your Honor, we need another delay because we need to bring in the warden there to have the warden testify. And my lawyer's like, the fuck is your, the warden wasn't even there. Right. A witness is a person that saw something there or her. something with it you know what I'm saying their own ears eyes that's witness that's that's a very definition right and and I told my lawyer I was like listen that's just another delay you sure

the warden doesn't have anything against you I said no I was actually I don't sound conceded or anything but I was like them respected by everybody that I ever come across at the job whether it's inmates doctors lawyers warden captains whoever all of them and I was like no no no I said the warden's not going to show up, but lo and beholden, of course, they didn't show up. What are they going to say? They went there. It's just a way to try and get an extra delay.

Exactly, exactly. It's ridiculous. And then recently, the IME's, another lie by them, you know what an IME is? It's an independent medical examination. Okay. So in order for you to keep collective workers' cop pay, you need to go see their doctors, not your own doctors.

and then from there they say okay Nick you might have improved or something so if you improved a little they start deducting your paycheck I'll just use round numbers for the sake of it let's say I was getting a thousand dollars a week and the IME the independent independent the government the city picks a doctor the city pays a doctor but we call these label as independent another scam right yeah and they say oh Nick I feel like you improve by 20 percent so now your weekly payments drop. Exactly. So that's how that works. So recently, and I have the documentation, I can't wait to show it to her jury again with this one too, they say, oh, Nick, why didn't she show up to your IME?

I said, what are you talking about? You didn't show up. It was the last Friday of February, whatever the number was. I guess I did. Like, oh, no, you didn't. I got the letter. I said, yes, I did.

There's a black girl with big boobs, low-cut shirt, hair-tied backwards, listen to R-B music. I was in the front desk with her from 425 to about 433 hanging out talking about music. Yes, I was there. I mean exact specifics. And the girl's like, you have an attitude problem. Attitude problem. You're lying.

Yeah, you're lying to me right now on the phone. Why do I have an attitude problem? And you're not going to lie. How's it an attitude? I'm giving you the exact specifics of even what the girl was wearing and her hair. everything and the exact location where you could find me on camera. But you're saying, I have an attitude. And then I call my lawyer. I'm like, listen.

This is what they're doing. So they come back to say you were there? Yeah, of course. Of course. My lawyer asked for paperwork on what happened that day. Another thing, by the way, another piece of document with their letterhead. Oh, we need something there reports on what happened to Nagoje there on April 21st, 27th, 2021. Oh, we have no records at all with his name. Nothing ever happening to him that day. That's on record too. Do you already have all the video and everything from the prison? No, I don't have the video. They won't release it? Like you're telling me he hasn't, he hasn't ordered the video?

They're not releasing it. Yeah, that bothers me. Because to me, that's the, their last line of defense is suddenly to say, oh, we, we can't find it. It was erased. Yeah. No, no, that's fine. And But my lawyer said that he did, that's part for the course. Yeah, because then you get in front of a jury and say, oh, and then they magic. We ordered it. We requested it, requested it, requested. And by the time they had to, they had to provide it, suddenly it got erased. In front of a jury, they're going to be like, these motherfuckers.

You're starting to see how I know I'm going to win? Yeah. Exactly. So even if they do that, then what we are accusing them of, stance. Stance. I don't know what that means. No, the stands, meaning that the city can't rebut it it because if they're the ones who deleted the video.

Yeah. So if Nick is saying... So they can't, oh, they don't get, you don't get to erase the video and then, and then deny what happened on the video. Yeah, so basically whatever I'm saying, as long as it's reason, but as long as I don't say, like, a ghost came in and threw me against the ceiling. Right. As long as there's nothing like, you know, something reasonable, which I'm just speaking

to everything, as if they had the video, it stands, stands, meaning... Right. It's good. Um, it's, it's, it's accepted evidence. So when, when, so what are you doing now? You're waiting for a, uh, I'm still collecting workers' comp checks. You wait for a job? I mean, for, I'm not jobs.

Okay. You're waiting for a court case? Yeah. Okay. I'm waiting for, for court cases and stuff. And, um, it's very taxing, Matt. It really is because, uh, you're constantly anxious as to like, what the hell's going on here? this doesn't make sense.

Like how, if someone would have told me ahead of time, this goes on, I would say, you're full of shit. It just does not make sense at all. Right. But I have no regrets. And even with what I know now, I would still go back. Believe it or not. Right.

Because the job for me was easy. You'd say, I'm sure it was the places that you spent, what, 12, 13 years. The officers who treated people with respect the dignity, for the most part, almost always got. got it back. You're going to have a couple exceptions here and there. But if you're supposed to get your three square meals, you're supposed to go see the doctor every Tuesday at 8 o'clock, and Joe Blow out there is supposed to see his religious services at 3 o'clock on Thursdays, just insured that they get it. Right. It's not, it's not. Yeah, this isn't, this isn't a difficult

job. Right. Right. Yeah, you just do that. The CEOs will, some CEOs will make it difficult. You know, they don't, they, um, but the guys, and we used always so, like the, you know, nine to fiveers. Right. that's what you like the nine to fiveers why that's me because they were the guys were like this and i'm just here to do a job like i'm i'm not here to judge you i'm not here to punish you i'm here to open the fucking door when they say it's your turn for chow i have to walk through the unit i'm not trying to give you a hard time you know if you guys are tattooing fucking get a lookout so they can see me coming because if i walk by and i see you tattooing i'm gonna have to take the fucking

tattoo it depends on which level you're at you know because like in the pen like they'll just let you tattoo. They'll walk right by see you and be like, fine, as long as you guys aren't stabbing each other or stabbing us. The medium, by the CEO, tell me this one time, the S-I, they call them S-I-S. When we first went in, they said, listen, at the pen, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing us. At the medium, we're trying to keep them from stabbing each other. At the low, we're trying to keep them following the rules. Right. He goes, follow the rules. You'll be fine. I was like, yeah, I'm a rule follower. I'm good. But, so it was funny because at the medium, they didn't give a shit if you were tattoo. And at the pen, they'll walk right by.

At the low, most of the nine to fiveers would be like, listen, if you're going to tattoo, get a lookout. So that when I walk in to walk my round, be a smart criminal. Yeah. Put it away. If I see it, I have to take it. Yeah. That's all. You make my job difficult. Yeah. But then you had the some guys who were like literally, the guards are like running in on them and trying to do this.

It's like, come on man, I'm already here. I'm already fucking miserable. Like, why are you searching my fucking locker? or you're taking, oh, you got six pair of socks. You're only allowed to have three. I'm writing you up. Well, those are the guys, those are the guys that are going to get. They get shit thrown on them. They get, there you go.

They go to grab the door handle. And guys will take peanut butter and rub peanut butter on it because it looks like, because these guys aren't going to touch feces. But the cop doesn't know that. He'll go to grab it. He'll be like, oh, you motherfuckers, fire. They'll scream and hollers. It's like, bro, it's peanut butter.

Like, you know, you can tell pretty quick. But just now you understand the point. Get off my, get off my, get off my, fucking dick with the goddamn sick socks. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Like I don't want to make your, don't make my job harder.

Don't make your, but some guards, listen, when you were talking, when we're talking about the deuses, I wanted to mention something. There was a guy named, and you've heard me say this guy, his name, I'll never forget his name is Solo. Solo. Solo, like by himself, solo. Like he walks solo. Yeah.

Well, I think his last name was something. Because, you know, all it is is like, it'll say like, you know. Probably Solomon or something. Yeah, yeah, but it'll, it'll say like, you know, G. Like, his probably name is Greg. But they don't give you your last name. It's like, you know, Officer Solo. Well, they don't give last names out there?

No, they give last names. Okay. That's what I'm saying. It'll be like, G. Yeah. Solo. Got it. They don't say Greg Solo.

They want you to look in these guys up. They get it anyway. Yeah. These guys do my fucking license plate numbers. Oh, yeah. I don't know how. Well, this is, this is federal. I don't know how.

Anyway, it's not going to be hard. But the point is, is solo, solo fought like ultimate fighting. Like, this was a guard. This CEO was about it. he had an attitude. In fact, he had such an attitude. He had to wear a sleeve over his tattoos because he had racial tattoos on his arm.

And they hired him. Oh, absolutely. Incompetence. They're not supposed to hire that. But they do. They just make you wear a sleeve. So he wears a, he had a sleeve over it. So he's walking around.

And I mean, he was one of these guys. He was a super cop. But here's what's funny about him. One time he went to shake somebody down. and the guy ran. And this is like a tranny. He runs into the bathroom. Now, these are group bathrooms, right?

These aren't individual cells. This is at the low, so it's a, what do they call them, a dorm? Open Bay. Okay. So there's cells, but they're only five foot tall concrete block walls. Right. You could walk up and look into it. There's no doors.

And you have a group, you have 180 guys. 180? 150 to 180 guys. Holy shit. It's low. We're children. Nobody's. So it's a shared bathroom.

So you have like eight toilet stalls, eight urinals, probably a dozen sinks. And then I'd say probably 10 showers, right, for everybody. So you go in like, so what happens, it depends on the time of the day. You might walk in the bathroom. There's nobody in this, in the whole, all of these for all this is. one massive. This is probably a 1,500 square foot space. Maybe 2,000 square foot

space of all this stuff that I just mentioned and nobody might be in there. Because almost everybody's out on the yard. Like, there's so much stuff to do in prison. Like this isn't you know, Rikers. You're not much to do. You're dying of boredom. Tons of stuff to do there. Right. So, but anyway, so Solo grabs this guy. He runs. He runs from Solo.

He gets into the bathroom, jumps, it goes into a a store stall and he's standing. He's, he's, he's, in the toilet stall, Solo like bangs on the, and kicks open the toilet stall. Yeah. grabs the guy, the guy attacks him. And he's supposed to have, I heard, by the way, all this was inmate. Inmate, uh, inmate, uh, Inmate, uh, Gossip.com, inmate.com, that's good. It's got gossip.

So, but I do know he attacked him. And Solo hit the ground. And as Solo's trying to hit the deuses, the guy wouldn't let him hit the deuce's. He's fighting with Solo so he couldn't hit the deuses. He eventually does, but I heard Solo start screaming because this guy is, he's like in transition, one of these, you know, this guy. And Solo's screaming, he's also got a razor. So he's holding the hand. He's trying to hit the button.

He's, you know, no doubt he was in panic. But the funniest thing was, guys get, so Solo's gone. He has to stay gone for a couple of times. days because I think he had a black eye or something. A couple of days later. He's lucky that's what it was. He comes back and guys are saying stuff like in the unit. So you could hear throughout the whole unit. Guys are basically saying like, you know, they're screaming out like, you know,

watch out for them tranny solo. Watch out of the tranny. And he's this an attitude. Who the fuck said that? Who the fuck did that? You can't. Oh, they found his trigger. Oh, that was it.

It was it. He was gone. He was gone. Within probably a month or so, he was eventually they just had to moving. I think, keep in mind, Coleman, it's got two pins, a medium and a low. They put solo at the low. Well, and it's got a camp. They put solo at the low. It's easy to act tough also. Right. Because if he goes to the medium or pin, these guys will gain, they'll just, they'll beat you to death. They'll attack him. They'll get out. Yeah, they're not losing. So I don't know where they sent him,

but I know they sent him somewhere, but yeah, he had a real, a real attitude. And I saw him, I want to say on two separate occasions, but one of them I literally was like right there and looked at him. He grabbed the guy to put him up and the guy yanked back and solo, reached down, flipped him over the air and slammed full body slam. Jumped on him and handcuffed him. Listen, I never seen anything like it. It was like watching an ultimate by this fucking guy. This was the worst cop you've, because he wasn't just an asshole. He was dangerous. Like he'll fuck you up in a safe. He looks like he took the job just to do this legally. Yeah, exactly. He wanted you to do. He was, and he grabbed you. And, of course, a lot of these guys are like, don't fucking touch me. And, oh, that was a mistake.

The moment you yank away, he gets to use force. Cameras up there, no. There are cameras, man, those cameras don't. Half the cameras. And this is kind of like the Epstein thing where people. I don't want to talk about that. Yeah, I don't want to get in trouble. What?

Okay, well, I'll just say, in general, it's all these guys. We have all these guys that will come on here and talk about how, you know, Epstein was killed and this and this is like, listen. And they're like, oh, the cameras weren't working. Man, half the cameras don't work. in the low in the low tons of cameras don't work well you know what happened i don't know but there's so many i and i used to that we because you'd get something stolen you'd go to the coffin you'd say listen my mp3 player was stolen off the the charger yeah can you go to the camera and

they're like which can't get involved yeah yeah well there's sometimes they're just like which camera right and you tell them this camera they'd be like that camera doesn't work i can go to this camera right you're like what do you mean that camera does an angle that you can't see shit on Yeah, that one? Yeah, thank you. Right. They're like, yeah, like this one works. Right. And listen, I've been in SIS and walked in and seen all the camera systems. Yeah.

But a lot of them don't work. They'll tell you they just don't work. They don't give up. Just like our government. Yeah, they just don't give a shit. Like, they're like, well, why don't you guys fix them? They're like, this place runs pretty good. Why would we fix the fucking? What's the purpose of having it there then? You know what it is. It's to make you think the camera's there. Like, that stops a lot. Just thinking, fuck.

where in camera, let's go somewhere else. Even though the camera doesn't, you don't know if it doesn't work or not. So the inmate, trust me, the inmates, partial deterrence. Yeah, the inmates will, let's go over here. And they will. You'll walk to somewhere where there's not a camera. Yeah. There's lots of places there aren't cameras.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not happening here. I mean, what some of these guys have done to block the cameras is they'll say, but this is more in like the high classification, like the really rowdy guys. Yeah. Toilet paper? Will they throw toilet paper up? Or take jelly or?

or butter or peanut butter on the toast on the sliced bread and they'll say, hey, Cox, we're going to fuck up so-and-so at 3 o'clock on, you know, whatever time. I need you to just take the sliced bread, paste it on top of the cameras. Right.

And they do it. They don't have a choice. Either they're going to be next. Or they'll take toilet paper and they mesh the toilet paper up and you can just throw it and it'll stick. Stunk. Mm-hmm.

He's shocked what you can do. You can build all kinds of stuff with toilet paper. Absolutely. Yeah. Especially when it dries up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, it's hard. Yeah. It's hard as fuck. Yeah. I'll tell you an interesting story that. We talked about how we just found Solo's trigger. And the guys were all giving them about the tranny and everything that they move them out. I was with the Crips, these maximum crips.

Yeah. So I know that I know that these guys liked me as much as you could like, possibly like an officer of that. But they'd like to fuck it with me. being engaging. Because I would stay there and chit-chat with them just like I'm sitting here with you. I had no problem with it. Because I'm locked in there with them.

Yeah, you're really just there to follow the rules just to get you to make sure, hey, you know you can't do that, bro. Yeah. Sort of like the way I described when I was in high school, I just wanted to get by. If D was passing, that's what you're getting.

That's what the job was getting out of me. Right. They're getting the D. Enough to stay employed. Yeah. You know, I don't want to be a superhero like Mr. Solo. Yeah. No, no.

That's not me. Yeah, he's causing more problems than he's solving. Correct. We had a CEO, we had a guy who was a former CEO who was talking about like the balance. Like whoever's making the rules doesn't know the job. Doesn't understand the job. Like so you have to have somebody go in there and you have to have a balance of following the rules while keeping the peace.

You know what I'm saying? Like you, it's a balance. You can't, you can't be so overly strict on the rules that you create major problems for yourself. They'll be right. If they followed every single rule, the way it's written, black and white, rules and regs. Yeah. It wouldn't function.

They'd be attacking guards left and right. Well, you won't have officers. Yeah. Period. Right. And that's a fact. Right. So as I would say, so these guys wanted to really give me a hard time.

They're always looking for your trigger to try to find something so they could weaponize it and use it against you. So make you cry or something. Yeah. So they're con men. They're all inmates are fucking scammers, con men. Yeah. But this guy, I like to, you know, what he said with the creative shit that he came up with just built me. up just to shatter me.

And he played the racial component, the racial factor in the black guys are blessed in a certain way, more than white guys. Okay. Right. So, and my last name is Goichai, right? And he says my last name perfectly, like he's Albanian. Right. And most of these guys are from the Bronx, just like I am.

And so I think that in some ways we kind of connected in that sense that lived in the same neighborhoods and stuff. And it's like, hey, Goichai, man. And I see over a sudden now the whole. housing area, it gets quiet. So something's up. I was like, they put this kid up to do something, some kind of trick or something. Whatever

it is, I'll figure it out eventually. He's like, hey man, I could tell that when your girlfriend brought you home to meet her family, they were really proud. They would say, they put the arms around you and said, yeah, he's one of us. He's with us. Matter of fact, now mind you, he's 22 years old

black. He's like, matter of fact, it might be his father. Right. You know, in terms of the age gap and stuff, he's like, matter of fact, you're such a good guy. If you dated my mom,

sister or aunt or anything, I'd be proud to claim you as one of our own as well. And I'm like, oh, thank you, Mr. I'm not going to say the name, Mr. M. 8.

Thank you. It's very nice to you. He says, and you're a good guy because you're out here working overtime. You don't have a problem coming to, you don't try to talk your way out of coming to this housing area and stuff.

We all, quote, quote, fuck with you, meaning they like me. Yeah. Yeah. Just for the audience. Yeah. Yeah.

So we fuck with you like that. I thought, thanks. I fuck with you guys too. He's like, but I could tell you a little naive. I said, naive.

I'm like, oh, shit. While he's distracting me here, somebody's getting shanked in the back. Right. Again, these are maximum security guys. These are all high classification.

And I'm like, I jump up because I'm on camera right here, lousy gagging with you. Well, somebody might be getting attacked in the back. He saw that he read my mind. He's like, no, no, don't worry about it. Nobody's getting stopped out.

I said, I just did a real quick tour. So, no, so what are you talking about? About the naive part. He says, you're out here working all this overtime, making all this money, treating your girl real good, buying a nice stuff, to going on on vacations. But do you know why you're working and doing this, putting all these hours here?

She's sucking off to end. The word is, I'm going to use the word, ninja, is the word that white people can't call blacks. Right. Right. She's sucking off two ninjas that look just like me. Long hair, tattoos, getting sprayed in the face. What's this guy's goal to get locked up?

And then he comes around, he comes around to my desk, and he puts his arms around me just like this. He says, but don't worry about it, Goy Chai. She really does love you. Well, the whole thing was just to make me insecure about me, the white guy who's not black. is my girlfriend's cheating with the two guys that I can't compete with. Right.

Oh, no, please, Mr. Inmate, you ruined my day. Right. Oh, I have to quit now. You know, I guess they were hoping to get some kind of response out of me. And I told him, I said, Mr. Inmate, when I see you outside, when you do your time, because you're in there for armed robbery, so you're looking about seven to ten. Right. If I see you outside at a bar or restaurant, I will cover your tab for you and your, whoever you with. that's a good one I like that

and I kind of saw that guys are disappointed yeah he's hoping you were gonna fucking get upset and scream don't talk about my girlfriend or wife you piece of shit yeah yeah yeah no didn't happen and um but I like the attempt though the creative attempt

they must have been thinking about that shit all day long right this is this is what they're doing with their time how can we get to this guy yeah but you know you're always going to run into interesting characters out there unique stories that you not going to find that a regular workplace. Yeah. So if you're working at Target or Walmart or Applebee's,

you know, or UPS, some of the stuff that the stories that you have or I have, they're just, when we tell them, like, what? No, that's what I always tell whenever the, you know, guests come on and we start talking, I'm like, look, you have to, especially guys that have been locked up or been committing crime most of their life, is they're like, I'm like, don't skate over anything. Don't skim over it. don't be like, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I got arrested. And so my lawyer said, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, don't, like, how did you get arrested? Yeah. Tell me about the arrest. They're like, you know, bro, I got arrested. No, I know, I know, but the guys who are watching this are driving forklifts. They're laying drywall. They're putting down,

you know, they're doing, like, they haven't been arrested. Right. They don't know anything about the shit that you did. Exactly. So, so they've never been arrested, or maybe they had a DUI or they got a buddy who's been a hit. Right. But you know what I'm saying? So, so, so, you know, let's go through that slow. And they're like, oh, because that's the problem is like, if I talk to my buddy Zach or something, he does very, you know, so it is. It's always like I got a rest or this or that, you know, because I know the whole process. So when you're talking to somebody like you, you, yeah. But it's funny too because then when you meet a normal person, just a crazy one, right. They everything about that person, just say some guy who works at, you know, he's a

manager at Walmart for the last 25 years. And then, you know, he had grad, he went to college. He went to high school. He married his high school sweetheart or something. And he, and he's been doing this job for 20, 25 years. You talk to him. Almost every story or everything about my life is, what? Huh? What'd you say? Huh?

And you get to a point you're like, fuck, like there's nothing I've done that's normal. Like there's nothing I can say to this guy that he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I know, I understand that. Everything you've done, everything I've done has been like, wait, you did what? How did that? But I thought, other than, you know what? The only other job that probably he would be like, oh, okay, I understand.

Yeah, I got a buddy who does that is I worked as a workman as a as a workman's comp adjuster. Right. So I've worked, you know, for a year or so I worked in construction. Well, I worked in workman's comp, which is funny because I never really talk about that. Right out of college for about a year I worked as a workman's comp adjuster. Then I worked doing construction because I got laid off. So for about a year, I worked construction. and that's when the girl I was dating was like,

you've got to become a mortgage broker because she had gotten a job as well, and I became a mortgage. And then everybody knows the story. But other than that, every story is just fucking, they're constantly like, the fuck out,

you know, and even getting out of prison. It's like, you know, if I mentioned somebody's like, oh yeah, I met my wife on, you know,

match.com or oh, yeah, yeah, it was no, no, my wife, we went to high school together. Or it was my buddy Jimmy's sister. I met her at a party. I mean, you know,

oh, where'd you meet your, your wife. Oh, I met her at the halfway house. You know, and they're like, you, she worked there? No. You and you were in the halfway house and she was working a regular job? No, no. We both got out of prison. Together and just. Right. And they're like, the stars were aligned. What? Like every single thing that's happened, even since then has been like

insanity, insanity, insanity from an average person's perspective. Of course, of course. I'll tell you, I mean, I have. But if you worked as a CEO, it's the same thing. Your every day is insane. compared to the guy that works driving a forklift. It's like, everybody's like, what do you mean the guy? They threw feces on somebody. What happened? What?

Yeah, yeah. Or they, two fucking inmates attacked a fucking CO and you ran. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a pallet fall today. Whoa, whoa. Let's stop the press. You're right.

That's the story of the day. That's the excitement in this guy's day. It's like a pallet fall off of this guy's fucking forklift. I don't give a fuck about you, palate. Somebody attacked you. Exactly. You know, these six inmates jump me in the hallway. What?

Exactly. Exactly. So, I mean, some of these guys, I have a personality. I like to chit-chat. So guys are chit-chat. Matt, I was surprised at how open some guys who even talk about some of the stuff that's going on. One time I'm watching, have you ever seen a Yamako wearing crackhead? Never. Have you? Never. Yeah.

I did see there was a guy who was Orthodox, Orthodox shoe, right? He had the curls. Yeah, no, this one didn't. He had the yamma. No, I'm saying I was locked up with a guy. Yeah. This is something, or fully tattooed. What? Yeah, which is absolutely, you can't do that. You cannot get tattoos.

Right. You cannot. And but he would, and we used to always say like, what? I got to see that. Did you have the, the, the, he was like, oh, no, on the street, I was just like this. Oh, I've been ostracized. Like, they hate me. Like, they hate me. He's Jewish. He's like, oh, my parents are furious.

He's like, I mean, they haven't, they don't, they talk to me. He's like, but they're furious. and then he ran, ended up running a scam and coming to, actually, I don't think, I think his was drugs, which is another thing that's like, what are you doing? Another no-no. Yeah. But he was super.

I forget his name too. We still talked to him. He was super cool. But anyway, go ahead. But that's the oddest thing I've seen. Okay, yeah, but this is going to be relatively, very close to the odd thing. And I'm looking at him in a, it's a big door moment, right?

So I'm just watching him. I'm like, this is odd. Like, listen, it is what it is. 85, 90% of the demographics at Rikers Island, the inmates are either Latino or black. Right. It is what it is. You know what I'm saying?

I didn't make these numbers up. I didn't arrest them. That's just how that's the people that I'm watching over. But a Jewish crackhead. Yeah. And he's small. He's puny. He's like 140 pounds, 150.

How tall? Maybe 5, 6, 5, 7, somewhere around there. But he looks so comfortable, Matt. This is where he belongs. And everybody's embracing him. So I'm thinking like he's an embezzler. Got a mortgage fraud or credit card for it or something. and that guys are like, okay, teach us how to do it

and we'll let you live here and... Right. You sleep in peace. We're not going to rob you or anything. Just give us it. Wrong answer. That was not him. So I tap on one.

I'm a... I'm a curiosity as a... What are you here for? If you don't mind me asking, I said, I could check your card anyway without knowing. But just... He's like, he's real proud of himself. He's like, oh, you know, read about me in the papers?

Put his arms together. Like, real... I'm like... I said, no, maybe I did. Maybe I didn't. You do read the papers, but I can't say I remember every single article I've ever read. Do me favor. I don't want to talk to you.

Google me. And when you read the article, come and tap the window. I'll come and talk to you. This guy, what he did is the most unique thing I've ever heard. Priceless. Okay. He pretended to be an off-duty cop. he goes into the police station in Brooklyn.

I forget if it's... Oh, that's fucking ballsy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He walks in like he belongs. Like, he's a cop walking into the locker room to get ready to change and put on a uniform, go on patrol. And cops are like, yo, who are you?

He's like, oh, he made up some name. Oh, I am, you know, John Doe, whatever the name is. Officer So-and-so. Yeah, I've been deep undercover in this drug operation, and I'm just, I'm getting promoted. I'm here to just pick up my shit, I'm going to one police plaza, which is the police headquarters to pick up my shit. So he knew like the layout of the whole precinct, the lingo, and the steps on

where to get promoted and where to go. He knew all that. He goes in, he breaks into, off through the cops locker. Not to steal the gun, not to steal anything, to steal the uniform. He puts the uniform on walking past dozens of cops. It's like, yo, Sumped is up with this guy. Something's up. It doesn't make sense with this fucking guy. Is he wearing a yamaka? Yes.

I mean, you're going to stick out like a sore thumb. That's what makes a story even more amazing. He makes it, he's right at the front door, boom. He runs into two cops that arrested him in a pass and then knew him. Like, hey, I know you. What the fuck are you doing? You're not a cop? I changed my life.

No, no, no, he's like, I know you. I personally arrested you. Just the way you can be a cop. Cover of the newspaper. I forget it was the daily news of the New York Post. Him with the Yamika on, and handcuffs with the uniform on. That's insane.

So I'm like, yo, dude. So I read it, I'm like, this cannot be real. Now, this story is so juicy. I can't not ask a question. I have to. Yo, come here, come here. Come here. So I said, I googled you.

You asked me to? I did. you don't need to answer the question. I'm not trying to grill you to bring you up on charges or anything. You know, media sometimes runs with stuff. They lie or exaggerate to sell clicks or papers. How much of it is true? Put songs together again.

All of it. So why would you, like, how much is the shirt is $15, $20? Why would you go through this for, you know? What can I do? What can I tell you, man? McCrackhead. We do stupid shit. I wonder what his ultimately, he was thinking steal the uniform, walk out.

He was going to, he had a second, there was a secondary plan to that other than just. Most likely. But so, you know, when they check your paperwork, for the people that don't know what that is, I mean, you know what it is. Yeah. Yeah. And the inmates said like, hey, what are your charges? You know, the reason they found it to be cool is because, A, he, what he did. So they call their people like, hey. Check this out.

Check this guy's name. See if he's lying to us. Because if he's lying, we're going to fuck him up. Everything checked out. Right. And so now he's embraced by everybody there as the guy that broke into the police station. That's insane. In front of the cops.

And almost got away with it. So maybe he should have an episode with that. Yeah. I'm shocked that he got into the police station. He's been arrested so many times. Right. But everything was always like small, petty. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like come in, get processed. And then you get... Typically, we're just... you come in, like now they have doors. You have to get buzzed in. You have to get buzzed it. Like, is he walking? He knew the land. I, I'd never been in that precinct. So I don't know. Right. But whatever it is, he did it. Yeah. So he knew something. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm not doubting. I'm just saying that you're thinking of jail. I'm saying precinct just where the cops, you know, parked their cars. I've been in precincts. I mean, typically what happens is there's a guard at the front. And so if you,

even if you're a guard or even if you're a police, you walk in, you go to the side door and they'll buzz you in. Or they'll have a code. Now, he may have walked in with someone else. Possibly. Yeah. Whatever it was, he somehow or another got through that door. And then sometimes they'll have internal doors. Yeah. Like, if you get on the elevator and you, you get up, like the ones I've been in. And you get in there, you hit the button, there's usually a code or a card to go up to the floor. Like, because when I've been- This is New York City. We don't have that kind of technology. I promise you. I was going to say, Because, like, part of my story is where I was taken into the police station and I actually was in there waiting for the cop. And I saw my, my wanted poster.

And people were like, bro, why didn't you take off? And I'm like, because it was three doors to get buzzed in. Like, even if I ran in down the hall to the elevator and hit the button, like, I'm not going down. Like, I'm not leaving in this elevator unless I have a card or whatever a code or even if I got there. I'm not walking out of the police station. There's another guy that's got to buzz a door. Now, maybe you could walk out, but to get in, these guys are buzzing doors,

hitting buttons. So when people were like, why didn't you run? I was like, I don't think I can get out of here. And now it definitely looks bad. Now I take off. So I just stood there. I just had to stand up. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Okay. He was like, yeah, let's get going. Let's do that. He walked me out. Holy shit. So that's why I'm saying, like, to get in, it must have, he must.

But then again, New York, there's so many cops going in and out all the time. They may not have that level of scrutiny. Why? There's fucking 180 cops in this fucking place at any given time. Oh, way more. Right. Way more.

Way more than 180. In a precinct? Yeah. Especially in Brooklyn that over there. I'm curious what he was going to do. What was he going to do once he got all being for all the... I would say he probably, I probably, because I did speak to him. He's not that bright.

Right. You think he probably didn't have much of a plan at all? Right. I think he just did it for throws. because you can get this off of the, you get a uniform. Yeah. All it is is a blue shirt with a patch.

At the end of the day, that's what it is. You can get the patch somewhere on Amazon. Yeah. And get it, just knit it in. If you really wanted to avoid the cops. Do cops wear, in New York, do they have like bulletproof vests and shit? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Did he get the vest? Or you just know he got the uniform? You don't know. I don't know. I'll show you the picture when, I show you a picture on,

well, we're done with this. Because I was thinking it was, I was still thinking he could probably go shake down drug dealers, walk up to him as a as a combo, boom, up against the wall, and then take whatever he wanted and walk away. Where are they going to do? I would say that I'd love to see him try. Because he's about fucking, he's about

40, Wayne. Right, right, exactly. Because he needs to have a little presence when you say, hey, back the fuck up. Put your hands up against the wall right now. You know, if you can't do that and have that kind of presence, especially in a drug dealer guy, they're not just going to comply very easy.

You know what I'm saying? A bank force or my, but not the guys without moving kilos. Yeah. They're going to, I wasn't even thinking kilos. I was thinking local guys selling rocks on the corner.

Even those guys. Even those guys, they're not going to comply that easy. Probably just run. Yeah. You're going to outrun me. Yeah. And you know those guys have guns

all around the place. Yeah. Whether they're not on their person, but that car that appears parked, that's where the guns are at. Because you imagine being shot at, shot as a police officer? You get shot at,

you're faking being a police officer and you get shot. shot as a police officer. You're like, I'm actually just a drug dealer like you or a drug addict. Yeah. Unbelievable. You talk about drug dealers and stuff now. I met one guy that I was absolutely fascinated by. I'm not going to mention his name because I know he's, he pulled it off. He just didn't collect the money yet. Okay. This guy, 50 years old, I come up to him. I'm watching, I'm in the dorms, just talk. He comes up to me. Now, this guy's scary. Look, he's the only guy out of the hundreds of guys that I've seen that was like, holy shit, this guy's scary.

He barely talks to anyone. Minds his business. He's becoming like a lawyer and studying his own case. And he's like, yo, gee, can I talk to you? I was like, sure. I got nowhere to go. I got to be here for eight hours. Right.

You want to tell me your story for eight hours? I'll listen. He's like, I just need your patience right here. Listen to my case and tell me how you would vote as a juror. I said, sure, no problem. He said, because I'm 50 years old, either I'm going to die here in jail or I'm going to be a multimillionaire. I'm like, okay. Now, my antenna is raised to the, because I want to hear this.

So he starts breaking it down. First of all, this guy allegedly, rumor has it that he kidnaps drug dealers kids, those kids, knows of France, knowing that they can't run to the cops. Right. So just give you an idea of the caliber type of person is. I mean, he walks anywhere in the housing area, people. make room. They don't want to even touch his shoulder. Because I think that he's one of those guys that could kill you.

Bare hands, like, real quick. And he saw showing me all the paperwork on, he's there on a murder charge. And how the detectives messed up the paperwork. And he asked me how, like, well, it's impossible for me to be at this angle and there. I said, yeah, because you're a human. You cannot be at both spots at the same time. How the cops messed up the, the report that.

bad. And he was facing 25 to life, and the prosecutors knew that the paperwork didn't, you know, there's enough reasonable doubt. Indiscrepancies in the paperwork. Right. To create reasonable doubt, they knew. So they started offering him. He was there already at that point for five years.

So they're like, okay, how about you just take a plea deal and take the, take down 15 or 17, and they just, the plea deals started getting lesser and lesser, lesser, lesser, lesser. Matt, when I met him, they had offered him, admit to it, and we'll let you go right now. Time served. He says no. Because if he admits to the, if he accepts the time serve, he can't sue. Exactly. He can't get it for false imprisonment and everything.

And New York is just under, at that time, I'm pretty sure the price has gone up. For false imprisonment, it was just under $800 a day. Jeez. Yeah. So this was the ultimate gamble for him, and he won. He won. They eventually dropped the charges, or he went to trial and won? Not sure of one or the other.

Somehow he made it out. Okay. Because you're not walking out of there on a murder charge. Yeah, they'll still take you to trial. Right. Even if they know they're going to lose. Okay. Is that it?

Yeah. So I just don't know. I can't. tell you if he actually took it to trial or did they just say oh my god we're going to embarrass ourselves just drop the charges just drops let him go now that that's a possibility i just don't know if that's the exact one either way he's out that guy is out i would think they would take him to trial even if they lost because then they can they could they can still try and i don't know if they can't really appeal it because once you lose it depends anyway there's a chance they might win but go ahead so okay so

but you don't know if he got paid well you We know the collecting then, that's going to take years and years and years and years. And so I think it was like late 2021 or early 2020. He was released. When I saw his thing, I was like, oh, shit, the motherfucker did it. We pulled it off. Holy cow.

And he asked me, how would I vote? I said, because the law says guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I said, as a juror, I would say, no, not guilty. But I told him, I still think you did it. Right. No, I told him straight out Even though I was shitting in my pants But I still think you did it

If you didn't do it, you were part of the team Something, but legally From a legal standpoint, the way the law is written You're not guilty by reasonable doubt But you know, beyond a reasonable doubt You're not guilty But I do believe you did it So like I say whenever you meet you make her

If you are religious You're gonna have to answer that one You were involved somehow Whether you were a trigger guy Or the guy who distracted the driver Or whatever, you're involved but not guilty and he beat it. Yeah, we'll talk about this guy.

I'm sure the drug addicts over there. How did they deal with the drug addicts when you were there? In Coleman? Oh, oh. I was in Coleman. His name to prison. I was sorry. At Coleman?

How did they deal with them? What do you mean? I mean, like, let's say the hardcore addicts that are going off. Because I would talk to some of these guys. I was always fascinated by some of the guys because obviously we all do drug addicts and stuff, but just to have to see one. hear how their lives go. I'm like, whoa, this is, this is wild.

So, like, how much does it cost? I don't know anything about the H drug. Right. I don't, you know, I really don't. I've heard of it. If you put it in front of me, I wouldn't know what it is. And I'm like, how much does it cost? And, like, how much does it cost a day to maintain your habit that you need?

This fat, white guy with a big beard. He's, like, $300 a day. I said, whoa, $300 a day habit? that's a lot. How do you know, if you mind, how do you afford 300 bucks a day? Yeah.

Maybe the ADW can afford it. Right. Yeah. But there's 99.9% of the public cannot. Right. Like, how are you getting this? He's like, he breaks in the cemeteries.

He said, what? He goes to the mausoleums, and he swears on it. Now, he wasn't in it. in there for these charges. Right. Because he was in there for robbing a deli, a bodega. But I said, how do you get $300 a day and stealing shit?

That's a lot. He says he could go into the cemetery, bare hands, no tools, by himself. Go to the mausoleum. I would struggle to say the name, mausoleum, am I saying it correctly? Rip out the door, either for the copper or the metal and sell it, sell, sell, sell, the weight. He could do that in minute and 20 seconds. He was swearing to it. Okay. And that's how he supplied. And he'd get whatever X amount of dollars for dependent on the size and the weight of it. And that's how he supplied. That's how he supported his drug habit. $300 a day. Okay. I think you don't think the cops

somehow piece this together that there's some kind of serial mausoleum door stealer. Right. So he says no, because he would just go to different cemeteries all over the place. Yeah. What are you going to do? Are you going to sit on a cemetery? mausole, all of the cemetery mausoleums for a month straight to try and catch them. Like, what do they care? Right. Exactly. That was exactly exactly exactly that. What are they going to do it?

That's a cemetery's problem. To create a task force to catch the door stealer. All right. Yeah. And I'm like, listen, man, salute to you. You're definitely creative. What was it? What was the metal?

Either copper or, like, whatever it's made out of. He'd go out there and just sell it. Like, go to the place that that. Is there a market? for this? Apparently. You know, do you remember the Ford? I want to say that they were Ford F-150s or

250s or 3-50s, whatever. The back, so they had, I don't think they do this anymore, but the tailgate, you could drop the tailgate. So you can just go up to the one right now, your next door neighbors, boom, take it down, twist two little things and pull off the tailgate.

The tailgates are like 400 bucks. So there are guys that just driving around steal. This would be. Yeah. stealing them, throwing them in the back, and then they'd go and they'd sell them to junkyards or whatever for a buck 50. Yeah.

And so think about it, you could go get 10 of them. Like that's, that's $1,500 a night. What was that taking it? That's what they're doing with the... Kind of like converters. Exactly. It's taking these guys 30 seconds, 30, you know what I'm saying? And they're doing five, six of them a night.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a good business. If that's something that you want to get into, I mean, not me. Get shot. Yeah. To me, I'd be...

Florida? Yeah, but over here, like let's say, where we're at right now, you're going to get caught. But where I'm at in New York City, there's so much going on. Nobody would even notice. They're like, oh, it's just a car theft. Who cares?

Oh, no, no. Yeah. No, I'm saying, yes. That's what people are looking at. The person that's been violated cares. No, in Florida, the cops will show up and hold the guy down while you shoot them. Like, they're not, they're not, the sheriffs aren't playing. They're ready.

The sheriffs are telling you, come get gun lessons, shoot these guys, drag them back into your fucking houses. Yeah. We're good. We're good. We'll mess up the paperwork for you. We'll tell him we got there. He'd shot the guy.

He looked like a clean shoot. He was in the house. He was in the front yard. As long as you're still on the property. Yeah. It's very different in New York City. That's ridiculous. They'll catch you 15 times doing that.

I have a lot of NYPD friends and they get so frustrated. Even with gun charges, they're being released. They take it to the precinct, book them, you know, run the fingerpost and everything. Okay, just show up to court, you know, whatever date. Listen, I got a buddy right now who's, Locked up. Zach, he's been locked up. How many months now?

Probably four months, three, four months. Yeah, four months. Yeah, about four months. He's been locked up right now on a charge that. What's the charge? They're like, they were, he had, I, I'm assuming he had someone's ID and he'd gotten credit cards in their names or used their credit card information. He had like a fake ID.

Like, literally it's like a fake ID and a couple of credit cards. And he's still locked up. He's not getting long. Oh, in New York City, you definitely would have been bond. Right there. No, his bond, he has that bond. That's not true. He has bond.

It's $180,000 bond, which means you got to put down about close to $20,000 to get him out. And by the way, even then they're like, don't do it because you have a hold in another county. Another county, so just waste of money. Yeah. So you're just going to sit there. And they'll let him sit. He's had another charge a couple years ago. What was the other charge he had done?

Eventually, they dropped it, but they kept him in jail 14 months. 14 months. Wow. On a state charge in the county jail. That's unbelievable. I sent him money the whole time it was locked up. I mean, it's just, listen, these guys, they'll lock you up and you hear these guys, you're like, you got locked up for like vagrancy for 90 days.

What the fuck is that? What's that? What's that? What's that? What the hell is that? Is it Polk? Vagency? Yeah, Polk is.

Polk County, it's, what's that? What's that mean? Vagrancy? I never heard of it. You're basically, you're homeless. You're not a lot. It's illegal to be homeless You can't sleep. You can't sleep on the

Park bench, yeah, you can't. Cannot? No, of course not. No. It's against the law. It's against the law. It's not against the law. Nothing's against the law. Absolutely. I mean, go drive through Tampa and look at how many homeless people are. There's maybe, you could probably round them all up in a day. Maybe you'd get 40.

There's a little camp underneath one overpass and where they've got, they don't have tents or anything because they're not going to let you put up a fucking tent. You might for the day or something till they come and grab your tent, they'll just tear it up or take it away or tell you, grab your shit and start walking. But there's only maybe a camp or two of 10 or 20 people. Out of all of, there's probably 40 or 50 people at max downstairs, maybe 60, maybe 60 throughout all of downtown Tampa that are homeless, but if a cop pulls up, they're bolting.

Like, they're standing up and they're walking, like, they're never going to be laying down. because if you're caught laying on a bench or sleeping on a bench or something, they'll either tell you to move or they'll, or they'll, or they could lock you up. Jesus. And Polk, it's a charge. Like, you can get a charge for it. You can get a charge for it.

Come to New York City. No, it's horrible. And I've been to San Francisco, L.A. It's insane. You've got guys peeing and pissing in the street in front of everybody. Here they'll lock you up and charge you and you'll be registered as a sex offender. You pull your shit out and take a piss on the side of the road. What?

Boom. You're done. You're a sex offender. You're registering. What if my kids saw that? No, I mean, I get it. I get the logic. Just remember where I'm from?

New York City, very liberal. Have you seen, haven't you ever seen the, so there's a, there's a, there's a, I don't said CEO, there's a sheriff, he did a press conference.

And so one is Grady Judd, Grady Judd's famous press conference. And by the way, Grady Judd gets elected every two or three years he runs. I mean, 80%, 90%

a positive rating, like just gets arrested. He's harsh. But, you know, I like him. So he's a kind of He's a CEO

He's a kind of guy that shows up at your door That you want to show up He's not real particular If you're a citizen Right If you're a criminal you hate his guts But Grady Judd's famous thing Is he did a press conference

And there had been What was the issue again? The guy had shot a cop Somebody shot a cop And he was like on the run And they were trying to find him And he escapes into a double Into like a trailer

And they find him in the trailer the cops fired into the trailer is it in the or they fired at him is it fired at him was it a hundred times it was it was excessive whatever it was so let's say that so he's at a press conference talking about the shooting you know we tracked him down to this trailer whatever he was in the trailer he shot at the police officers from inside the trailer whatever and there and we fired and killed him and there was a liberal reporter who said why did your officer officers fire into the trailer 120 times. And he said, because they ran out of bullets.

Yeah. He said, dead. I did hear that. I see them. Evil can't be dead enough. You fire at a police officer. He is, we will kill you. There's another, another chair.

You can't be dead enough. You can't be dead. You can't be dead enough. Okay. If you fire. So the other thing is there's another press conference from a sheriff. There's, there's probably a dozen of them. The other one was, he did a press conference.

He said, listen, they, we, we, found a guy who's been arrested for burglary like six times, been incarcerated in the prison system two or three times. We found him dead in the street. We believe he broke into someone's house and they fired at him, shot him, and he escaped off their property and died in the street. So we believe he was burglarizing someone's house and the person shot him and killed him. Right. He said, we're asking that person to come forward. he goes you are not in trouble and I don't know what county it was

let's say it was Hillsborough County just for he goes in Hillsborough turn yourself in but you won't get in trouble no no they oh I guarantee they won't yeah they said you will not get in trouble he said we encourage our citizens to shoot burglars

that are breaking into their house he said we encourage you you are not in trouble he said what we'd like to do is give you free um free gun lessons because we would have preferred you kill him in the house

you apparently shot him and he got away. We'd like to give you shooting lessons for free. He said, we do it every week. We give free shooting lessons at the sheriff. He has a whole thing because the guy's been arrested six times for fucking. We know this. They got the right guy. Right.

We know what happened. He's like, but you know, he got away. He's like, trust me. In this county, we prefer you to shoot anybody on your property that's breaking it. He said, but, you know, he didn't kill him. He stumbled away. You got to kill him right away. Yeah, but I don't have a shoot.

Yeah. So these guys, these sheriffs, they come out, they do these press conferences that are just, you know, there was an Uber, there's an Uber driver that got mugged by a guy in the car and then got out of the car and the Uber driver pulled his gun, chased him down and killed him. They're like, why is he? They're like, chase him down. Chase him down and killed him. And so the reporter's like, why is he not under arrest? He's like, because he was robbed. And they're like, yeah, but he wasn't in danger.

He's like, well, the guy had a gun. and he chased him down to recuperate his property. And the man still had a gun. And so he fired on him. And that's, he's like, now, in New York, that would be absolutely a no-no. You can't, you're not in danger anymore. Let him take your stuff.

Here, you don't get to take my stuff. I'll explain to you the way he works in New York. You see what I'm saying? Like, it's insanity. Yeah, yeah. It's great. Yeah. If you're a citizen, if you're a good citizen, it's great.

Even for us is officers. And again, remember I told you, the academy was like six months long. Mm-hmm. the gun training and the gun laws. And I'm explaining this to you. You cannot shoot someone legally in New York unless you totally ran out of options.

So, me and you are on the train. You pull a gun on me. I have my gun on me. Let me not. You're about to beat me up. I have to be able to run first. No, no, no. I hear you.

I understand that's New York. I get it. There's staying your ground here. I don't have to do shit. Exactly. Exactly. So there is no standing your ground in New York. You have to run out of options.

So I would have to run all the way to the corner of this room, not have a window, not have a door to exit out of, and say, don't take another step or I'm going to shoot. There has to be so many steps. Otherwise, my man, you're going in. In New York, even for us. That's ridiculous. Yeah. So, I mean, it feels like another country, another world right now with the way you're describing some of the stuff that I did not know. I'll tell you what, though.

What? People are very polite to officers here. Like, I see some of the people in these videos, like on TikTok and shit where the guys are mouthing off to the cops and arguing and I'm not getting out of the car and the fuck. I can see what I want. It's like, listen, a cop shows up here. Yeah. Yes, sir. What do you need officer?

I am extremely polite to officers here because it can go bad for you very easily. Yeah. So to me, I'm super respectful. But if he said, I want to search your vehicle, of course you did. I mean, of course you want to search it. I don't know why I didn't offer, officer. Let me get out. I'll cuff myself.

Can I sit on the stoop here? Can I, where would you like me to wait? I mean, I'm extremely. But, you know, if you're a normal, but if you're a normal citizen, If you're a normal citizen, Grady Judge, the guy you want showing up. Right. Because he's going to be cool with, you're the citizen. And what did that guy do that's on your property?

What did that guy do to you? And you called me? If you're the guy that called, things are probably going to go your way. Yeah. You know, he's going to, they're going to give the, if you're the person calls him the problem, you got a fucking problem, you know? Yeah. Wow.

Wow. It's, I don't like that there's different laws, like I say, two different words. Like, let's say, two different words. between how Florida and New York, we're in America. We should all have one law. I know, but I just don't like this separation. Values are different. And that's the whole thing.

That's why you have states and districts and federal. And, you know, and so I get what you're saying. I would love it. Look, the priorities of someone in California are vastly different than my priorities. You know what I'm saying? Like, so. I just, so I, you know, and I don't, you know, like, There, in some ways, I think, if you're homeless, you know, like sleeping on a park bench,

in some ways, I think to myself, like, come on, brother, the guy's just sleeping. He's, he's a drug addict. He's got issues. In some ways, I think, come, you can't arrest him. But then in other ways, I think, but if you let him sleep here, then before, you know what, it's, it turns into a dozen, then it's two dozen. Yeah. Then it's, then it's a hundred.

Then it's thousands. And you have to raise your kids here. Like, I have to raise my, you know, I have to raise my children here. People have to raise their kids here. And I don't want to see guys shooting up, sleeping on park benches when my kids play in the quality of life. Right. So you go, okay, well, what do you do?

Well, then you back to the Grady Judd, then we make it illegal. We make it so difficult here for you. You either clean your act up or you go sleep in the fucking woods where nobody can see you. And you, there are communities out in the woods. Woods. Oh, yeah, they sleep in the woods. There's community, 10 cities. Yeah, there was a, this place I worked out before we started doing this, like,

kind of out. Woods? Like, yeah. But you can sleep in the woods here. You can, because, well,

you don't have woods really in, I'll just think, New York you do, but you'd freeze to death. Yeah. Wait a sec. Wait a second. It's camping.

It's camping. I guess, yeah. Dude, this is another world to me the way you guys describe it. So it's illegal to sleep on a park bed. But they say go,

uh, whatever, a hundred feet into the woods to sleep there. I don't have to see you there. And you're my kids don't see you there. I don't want to have to see you there. You know, I don't have to see you sleeping on the park bench. If you're paying, if you're paying 20, 30,

$40,000 a year into taxes, I don't want to have to see guys shooting up in the alleyway or sleeping or getting drunk or pissing, pulling their shit out and taking a piss. Yeah, I mean, I don't want my kids seeing it. I get the logic. But it's just, I guess, the way the rules are being applied, that this is another world. I keep saying it. Jeez, very different. there's probably a mix there's probably a there's probably no decent

no good solution in general there's no good solution let's face it like if you have mental like most of these guys have mental health issues right so there's no good there's not going to be a good solution for these guys in the end but and they're the drugs oh their drug I see it but their drug

it's more than just addiction it's mental there's mental issues and the drug addiction is just a symptom of their problem their real problem mental issue and if you'd ever surveyed people to steal their identities, you would know this. So I've dealt with... I wish I was smart enough.

Yeah, I've dealt with... My intelligence level is at a correctional officer. I've dealt with dozens and dozens of these guys. You know, it's not that easy. You realize after about... By question number 10, you start to realize, like, oh, you're not all there. Right.

You're perfect. You're never cleaning your act up. Like, I'm going to be able to borrow millions in your name. Yeah. You're not going to think of it. The clever guys, I always gravitate towards, too. the guys who just think outside the box. There was a guy that I met.

I mean, he eventually lost it. I mean, he lost his argument. No, no, not his case, but his argument. So you know how they say you have a right to a jury of your peers? He was challenging that. You don't want a jury of your, or he couldn't find a jury of peers? No. Didn't exist.

No. His logic, which is, is whoever you put up there is not a jury of my. peer. I don't care who it is. Whether it's, you want to say whether it's my age group, my skin color, my religion, where I went to school, whatever it is, they're not my peers. And like, well, why not? He says, a jury of my peers, if they can't talk their way out of jury duty, they're not my peer. That's true. That's so stupid. I get the logic. Yeah. But some people want to be on jury duty. I get it. I get it. But then you're not my peer. That's okay. That's just silly. You're asking for

a perfect equivalent. That's not going to happen. I agree. But. Pierre is not perfect equivalent. I agree. I love the way you, again, the lawyer talk. All right.

I was going to say I actually, so I was on federal probation, right? And I got a jury duty summoned. I was thrilled. I thought how cool. Like, what a great story this is going to be. Yeah. If I go down there. But when I called them, I said, look, I want to serve.

And they were like, okay. My name is Matt Cox. Okay. They were like, okay, so what does it say? And I was like, well, here's the problem is that, you know, I am on federal probation and I have a felony. They go, yeah, you don't have to show up. I said, no, no, I want to show up. They said, no, no, you can't show up.

Do not show up. I was like, oh, okay. I wanted to show up for the, what did they pay, $15 a day? It's not the $15 a day. I figured you don't need the money. No, it's going to be, it would just have been like to go through the process to be, and to be sitting on a jury and, and for once be sitting on a jury and listen to the whole thing and think to myself, like, is that fair?

You know, like, what if it was a criminal case and they're putting people up there that are some guy who was locked up in jail with the guy, and he and I'd be like, I don't really know if I'd believe this guy. This guy will say anything. And so their main witnesses are three guys that say they were in a cell and he admitted to the murder. Like, come on, you guys. Is he really going to admit to the murder? Of course not.

So I wanted to be able to go through that. And now, look, it's different. It's like, look, we got videotape. We've got selves. Like, look, he's done. He did it. Absolutely. You know, but give me something more than some guy's word or some, an eyewitness.

Because by the way, an eyewitness, worst witness against you. Eyewitnesses, it's, it's, they're extremely unreliable. Absolutely. So, but people. And we're all guilty of him. He saw it. He saw him. You don't know what he saw.

I saw two guys one time when I was about 19 years old. I saw two black guys break into a car. When I got out of my car, I yelled, hey, is that your car? One guy I looked at me and goes, yeah, I said, no, that's not your fucking car, bro. I started walking towards him like an idiot. Yeah. You know, I'm 19. I'm jacked up on steroids.

I'm squatting 405. I'm binging 315. Oh, I was massive when I was like 19 years old. Really? Oh, yeah. I would have never guessed. Oh, I was like 200 pounds. and pumped full of steroids.

I was massive. So started walking towards him. Like, I don't know what I was going to do. He was still, you know, there were still two black guys that were probably, here's the problem. I want to say 510, 511, but they could have been both six foot two. They could have both been five foot eight. They were just a little bit taller than me.

Yeah. I didn't get closer because they both bolted. When they saw me coming, they bolted. And I was here in Florida? Here in Florida. Okay. At the mall, back when you had malls and you went to malls, I was 15 feet away from the closest guy. I go inside. I call the police because there was no cell phones and we had

pagers. Call the police. The police show up. The same age group. Yeah. Police show up. I tell them what happened. As we're there waiting, the owner of the vehicle comes and sees what happens. Yeah. They take my account, their account. And when the guy that was taken, the cop that was taken the report, he said, do you know what they look like? And I was like they were maybe roughly five, 10, five foot 10, each one of them, thin, black guys. And he goes, could you pick them out of light out? And I went, no. And he goes, well, what else?

Any other characteristics? I said, they were black guys. And he goes, he needs more than that. He goes, anything distinctive about him. I said, honestly, bro, I said, you could have been one of them. No offense. Yeah. I said, you could.

I said, I don't know. He was like, and he was like, well, you were, we were standing where I was. He's like, you were right here. And I was like, I couldn't tell you what they look like. Like, my adrenaline spiked. They stood up. They looked at me and I said, he's like, how old were they? I was like, you got the good skin, bro.

They could have been, they could have been 15 years old. They could have been 35 years old. I mean, that's the span for a black eye on what they, their age is 20 years. Unless they have gray hair and they're bald, then I would say in these 50s, but they both had a full head of, you know, they had a crop top, the crop cut hair, I don't know. Right. So, and I listen, and I was just, I looked like if you'd line them up, I'd have been I'm like, I fucking don't know.

But from an adrenaline witness perspective, I know how difficult it is. And look, those two guys could have been white guys. Yeah. I don't think I could have told it. Same thing. I would have been like, I don't fucking know. My adrenaline spiked. I saw him for a second.

They looked up. Yeah, the one guy I was focusing up. The other guy, I don't know. I could never tell you what that guy looked like. This guy was, you know, whatever. Like if he was been looking right at me, maybe I could. I don't think I could have. But if you said, are you 100% sure?

I would have had to say, no. And so can you imagine if you were on You were on trial for your life for murder And you have some guy that saw you from 40 feet away for two seconds And the jury is relying on that guy to say You were the guy at the crime seat holding the gun Yeah Unless he knew you prior

The only way this was If you're a total strangers, yeah, then throw it out the window Correct, total stranger Yeah Now it's different if no no That's my buddy Jimmy That's different That's not the same

Totally different But that's what the problem is That's what happens as a jury gets there and you've got some guy that says, yeah, that was him. You saw him from 40 feet away for two seconds. Yeah. This guy's going to remember his face 18 months from now at trial? Right.

I don't think so. You're 100% sure. Oh, no, absolutely 100% sure. No, no, you're not. You're lying. That's not true. How many victims who clearly spend a significant amount of time with the race say, oh, no, absolutely, that's him.

And then five years later, 10 years after the guy's gone to prison, they get the DNA back, not him. And then they're like, oh, and then they catch the real guy. And then he says, oh, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, she's one of my victims. But this other guy that did 10 years. You told you went to trial. You looked him in the face.

You said 100%. Right. And that happens all the time. Absolutely. How many of those guys do 15, 20 years? And their life is ruined. How much money you give them? Because everyone's going to look at them like, somehow you managed to be your

and you beat the charges. Absolutely. Yeah. And you can never get that back. So I just thought it would be cool to go and sit on a jury as a felon having gone through. Not that I have any bias, but by being able to say, I know the system inside and out and I'm... The non-lawyer. I'm lying.

I'm sorry, lying. I'm dying to, I'm dying to see how this plays out with my, probably, I like to say non-biased, but with my understanding of how the system is manipulated. if people really understood the law and followed it to the T, we would barely get any convictions. Oh, absolutely. Look, if people stopped, I love these guys who were always like,

you shouldn't snitch. If you didn't have snitches, 95% of the cases wouldn't be solved. You wouldn't want to, one, you wouldn't survive. You wouldn't want to live in that society, and you couldn't survive in that society. Yeah. Because people could just walk in and kick in your fucking door

and rob you and do whatever, and guys aren't rolling over on each other and guys aren't snitching each other out and guys are, it'd be complete panammonian. Totally agree. Very few cases are ever solved just on, based on superb police work and nobody snitching.

Very few cases are ever solved like that. No. Very few. Maybe with DNA, but that's very few. Yeah, but that's very few. You can work around that to not leave DNA. Yeah. If you're a smart criminal.

It's a horrible system. Yeah. What was it? Do you say something like nothing's perfect? Yeah, there's no perfect solution. Yeah, there's no perfect solution to anything. You know what I'm saying? Is our system flawed? Yes.

Does it make errors? Absolutely. But I don't have a solution. No. No. I'm not right enough for that. No, you're just trying to get, you're just trying to get your, what's, your reasonable compensation for, for a, I don't want to say, it's not an ill,

legal act. It's a violation of your of your civil rights. Which makes it illegal. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Civilly. I don't know how to say it. I'm not... Civilly. Yeah, you know, you're not anybody to go to jail. I just want to get... Just pay me what I'm owed.

That's it. Just give me the money. It's only money, Matt. Yeah. At the end of the day, that's all it is. I'm not looking to take your freedom, yours or anybody. It's just money. We're giving it away to other countries anyway. Right. That's not an argument. Don't use that argument. No, but I'm just saying. I just want what's rightfully mine. I don't want a penny more. I'm not looking for charity.

Right. Because had they not made that decision to cut you loose, you'd still be working there. Absolutely. Right. And I want to go back. Right. I want to. Listen, I talked to a guy the other day that contacted me.

And there's some commission that he's a part of that's trying to close Rikers Island. They've been trying to do that forever. I mean, put it this way. For a developer, if you have like these billions of dollars, it's actually beautiful land. Yeah. You get a clear, clear, crisp look of the Manhattan skyline, New York City skyline, and LaGuardia Airport is literally one baseball throw away from there. Is it loud, though?

Aren't the planes going over you? They're going all over New York City. Oh. I mean, Manhattan, Manhattan from there, from the Rikers Island, if you're a bird, you know, from thing. No. It's what, two, three miles? All right. So they have to bulldoze the, they have to drop the prison and build a, some, it's not, it's actually so many buildings. I don't even know how many, whatever, I'd only be guessing,

but there dozens of buildings all over, all over the island. So they bulldoze all of them and turn it into a condos. Exactly, high rise. I can see that happening at some point, because some developers are just going to pay off the politicians say, you know, do something. Because the land is just too beautiful. And it's being wasted on, on a jail. Criminals. Yeah. And infrastructure is horrible.

It wasn't built well? No. No, no. I mean, maybe it was built well when it was built. But like anything else, it needs to be maintained and stuff. And it is terrible. It really is. It's almost ancient.

Did you ever see the movie? Carlito's Way. Yeah. Many times. He escapes Rikers. The one guy escapes Rikers. That's, that, okay, look. Can you escape?

I'm looking at a, I'm looking on a picture of it right now. Yeah. It was a little island with one bridge, long bridge coming in. The only way you could do it, the only way, you have to be beyond wealthy.

And you have to find an array of officers all willing to take, give up their pensions. Like I say, give everybody a million dollars in cash. Right. So like the housing area officer, the officers as you leave in,

the housing area officer, it's a movie. Just do remember that. Okay. Listen, in the movie Carlito's way, there's a corrupt lawyer, and he's got a client who's a mobster, and the mobster has paid off a guard. We know at least one guard, but it's got to be several. And then they get him in the water, and he swims to a buoy, and he needs his lawyer who's already stolen over a million dollars from him. In the 70s.

He's going to take his boat and meet him at the buoy. So he meets him at the buoy, gets him on the boat, and then he can go, he can, you know, take him away and he escapes. So that's supposed to be the plan. But in the movie, the guy does get to the buoy, right? He's a fat mobster, gets to the buoy. The guy goes with his, takes his boat, meets him there, and then takes, I don't know what kind of a device or a pole or something.

And just hits him in the pet a bunch of times, basically kills him and drowns him. He's super fat, drowns him in, what is it, Hudson? I think it's called the East River In the East River And he drowns him And then he gets on the boat And he takes the boat back And because he did steal a million dollars

He doesn't want to say this guy He actually did do it, yeah He feels like he might be murdered So he kills him in the Hudson So or East River So yeah So anyway So yeah it's a movie

I know it's a movie Okay so that's the only way You have to pay off three or four Five six guards to be able to make that happen Everybody had to be perfectly aligned And then But then someone would have to call the alarms And then the NYPD would be alerted

on the surrounding areas. I mean, it's a movie. It looks good for Hollywood, but it's upsetting. It's disappointing. Because I can't tell you how many years I spent daydreaming about escaping prior to, like when I initially got arrested, I spent a good year dreaming about going to a camp and escaping or going to a low and escaping until I actually got to,

then they sent me to a medium and I realize you're not getting out of here. Went to the low and I thought you're still not getting out of here. Like, you know, the whole time you're realizing like, Oh, no, they got this locked down. They know what the fuck they're doing. At the end of the day, it's not, it's not, it's not even worth it. I mean, I guess every the factor in and age and stuff, but for the extra time that you're going to get for it. You're going to get two or three years extra.

If you're looking at 30 or 20, risking two or three years. If it's a camp in the federal system, if it's camp and you walk away, you don't get almost any time. You might get a month or two. What? Yeah. You're incentivized then. Right. Right. But you have to think, you have to have less than 10 years to go to a camp. So most guys that go to a camp only have a few years. So leaving to be on the run the rest of your life, why wouldn't I just? And by the time they go to a camp, by the way, they've probably already been through the process. They got arrested. They didn't get out on bond. So they've already done maybe a year. They get sentenced. They go to a camp for, let's say they get three years. You already did a year. Now you go to a camp. You already get good times. You got 18 months to go.

Do you escape? I would say no. I would say no. It's a camp. Stay there. Yeah. It's like a shitty high school. Yeah.

So stay there. I'm going to hang out here for 18 months. Matter of fact, honestly, 18 months, probably in a year, they're going to send me to a halfway house. And I'm going to do... That's even worse.

Yeah. Keep me at the camp. Yeah. They'll put me on an ankle monitor, though, and a lot of times they'll just send you home. Yeah. You know,

so there's just no reason to... There was a guy that this kid I actually felt bad for him. He's Italian from Queens, and he kind of gravitated towards me because I'm Albanian, and he kind of spoke Albania a little because in the area of Queens that he grew up in, there's a lot of Albanians.

And he's talking, I was like, dude, what are you charged? He says, murder. I'm like, you're not no murder. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because I see he's like, really like an innocent type of kid. I was like, dude, would you get drunk or high or something? Your girlfriend cheating and you killed her?

like what's going on. Yeah, something reasonable. But things happen. You always say like, oh, no, little Johnny, I can't believe he did that. Yeah, well, he walked in. His girl's getting, you know, banging his best friend. He happened to have a gun.

That's the only thing I could think of. And he's like, no, even worse. Worst, we're told him. He said he was riding one of those like ATVs, the illegal ones, at least in New York City. I don't know about it over here in Florida. He's just out there writing it as a group. and he makes a turn

and he ends up hitting a Chinese food delivery guy on a bicycle the guy was not wearing a helmet he falls, bangs his head on the floor and dies. Vehicular manslaughter. That's what it is. But because the vehicle was illegal,

they're saying since you're driving it and they're considering that commission of a crime, they charge, yep, they up charge him to murder. Stupid. No, I agree with. No, so then I'm like, okay, that makes sense there with the murder charge. But then now, since we're on the subject of escaping,

at that point, I met him when he was at Rikers Island, but he was held in Brooklyn House, which is on a major street, right, just like a regular building. And he didn't, because this is how much of a non-criminal the guy is, he doesn't realize that those phones are tapped. They listen to every single word you say. He had no clue.

he calls his friends and says, I'm at such and such a location, whatever the street is, I've never been to that building. I'm at the third floor window. I need you to get a bazooka and shoot me out of here. Fucking idiot.

He's just an idiot. I'd laugh and I'm like, dude, you got to be fucking kidding me. You said this on the phone. With them listening. Was he expecting them to go to the bazooka store? And I said, forget about that. You hang around

people who have access to bazookas? He doesn't hang around with anybody's got out. He's an idiot. Yeah, yeah. But he got charged with the fucking, what he called? Attempted escape? Yeah. Or planning this, whatever it is.

I'm like, conspiracy to. Something along those lines. There's the extra charge on top of the murder. I was like, the murder, you're going to be able to talk it down to. Yeah, he's going to get a few years. Five years? Ten years? Yeah.

He was already there for like two or three. In Florida, I think he'd probably get 14 years for a vehicular manslaughter, first time unless he had he probably get about that and he told this friend on the phone i don't care if i die but i need you to shoot me out of it he was on the third floor he said to to shoot him out of there the drama yeah now you you really had no idea that someone's listening to this phone call yeah stupidity you're comfortable right you're not going in put in for a two-man cell join a join a softball one of the softball team yeah sign up for the hback class yeah you're not going You can't snitch on anyone on this one.

Right. Find a good series of a good, a series of books that you like that you can write. Start reading the, what is it, the Game of Thrones series? Yeah. Like, get the first book. Yeah. Unbelievable. J.R. Tolkien, start reading this stuff.

Get into The Hobbits. Like, it's going to be a long, long ride. Right, right, right. So it innocently goes there, innocently, like to me, he didn't go. Try me and anybody hurt anyone with the, with a moped or whatever the other thing. The device is called. Yeah. ATV.

What are they called? A TV or the quads or, yeah, four-willis. We call him four-wills. Yeah, whatever it is. He didn't, you know, he didn't have any kind of intent to go hurt anyone. You know, just joy riding with his friends. And then they snitched on him because he, he, there's no license plate. It wasn't registered.

Right. Oh, so he took off also? Yeah, hit the guy in Rand. Yeah. Yeah. So the cops were able... It's a series of bad decisions on his part. Yeah, yeah.

And then the cops were figured out that, oh, that blue one right there. That's the guy who lives down the street, no, put pressure on him. And it wasn't me. It was that guy. Yeah. And they got him. I hear you. Like we said earlier, it's typically out cases of solved.

Little Jimmy's got to go. I wouldn't on it. I wasn't on it. I wasn't driving it. Jimmy got it. Jimmy was driving it. Yeah. I'm not taking his murder charge.

Yeah. They knock on the door and open the door. You know why we're here? I said, because Jimmy hit that Chinese dude. Yeah, I do. I'm sorry. I was going to call you. At least you're honest about it.

Most, very few people would be as brutally honest as you are. I'm not even going downtown for your ass. What you're saying happens 90% of the time. Yeah, yeah. People come out and lie. I say, 90% of inmates cooperate, but 100% lie about it. That's a fact. Yeah.

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