Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Fraudster Finds Unlimited Money Glitch | Counterfeits, Bank Scams & More!

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

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I started doing counterfeiting, and the 50s were always perfect. I would make IDs all the time at Kinko's. The credit card number would be on receipts, so I'd just call it in to buy a train ticket. While I'm staying with him, I steal one of his credit cards. He's a good friend. He's a hard life. Hey, if you got anything bad, don't walk this yard.

You'll get killed. But I'm like, I'm good, you know? You're not good. I know, but I feel like I'm okay. Cup opens the door and, hey, the warden wants you. Oh, my goodness. I realized I need to have, like, a story to, like, stand on. So I'll just go with, like, the first, like, tragedy that kind of, like, set me on this, you know.

Yeah. My uncle, who was kind of like my brother, he was, like, five years older than me. My mom's baby brother was in a car crash. Every one of my family is sitting in the living room and crying. And I thought something had happened to my kid brother for some reason because I didn't see him. My stepdad at the time takes me outside and, uh, he's like you know Victor was last night

and a car crash and I literally almost like a movie like dropped to my knees and screamed I was like no no no and I man it was like the hardest he was like we hung out every day we used to like drink beer and play Monopoly

he was just really close and like I cried talking about it forever fast forward to the next week at his funeral I did some and it was the first time I'd ever dig with some of my uncle's older friends because they all knew me and loved me

because I was always with my uncle and kind of as a tag along and I just started working I guess this is the first time I ever did any kind of like and with not a scam or like fraud but I took the company gas card it was a Chevron card and they had these Chevron stores

that you could buy headphones or a Walkman you know like the little tape player walkman and I remember just running that up You know, bought some raybans. I remember those years, the first nice pair of sunglasses I ever had. Put it on the gas card. And so anyway, lost that job.

Ran up the gas card. You know, he got pissed. Of course, you know, he used that excuse to fire me. But I knew I was fine. I was a good excuse. Yeah. I mean, this is not free money. Yeah.

And, but, you know, that I guess that was kind of my first taste. I never really thought about that. Um, and then I opened a checking account and I realized I could write bad checks. Right. So, you know, in my name, you know, um, there's got to be money in the, it's got to be money in the bank account, right? I just thought, like I still have checks in the book. Yeah.

Yeah. And, and, uh, I did that for, just for like groceries and, um, I went to, I took the Amtrak train to Aspen one time and paid for it all with that. With bad checks and skis and like these bright fluorescent outfits, you know, like ski outfits back in the day. So ugly. But I just thought it was so cool. But it was all with bad checks. I hate to interrupt the program.

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I was working at Sears selling carpet. And I was able to open an account there and I did the same thing, wrote some bad checks, but I got busted for it. That's my first time ever in jail. I was there for 30 days. It seemed like 10 years. When I got out, I thought money looked different. you know man this money is so weird and small man it was crazy it was 30 i think it's crazy now because i've done so much time right in 30 days i'd be like hell yeah i'm get out in 30 days i'm gonna do some push-ups or whatever and um i was supposed to check in with the p o but i went straight back to california so i met this girl um and we fell in love and she was like everyone wanted this girl out of all those guys in hollywood so everyone was like

jealous me and uh it was just a weird thing anyway and uh we end up getting married we stay in hollywood for a little bit then we go we moved to montana her parents owned the assyre store up there at wind up working for her parents we start having financial trouble so we're arguing all the time and so we think for some reason that we should move back to california it just i i i got an argument with her dad one time and I headbutted him and he got this big like nod on his head

and yeah it was it was nuts so they ended up kind of not liking me anymore but kind of had to because I was married to their daughter you know and but she wanted to take a go at it acting again

um she'd go back and do improv stuff and we were just trudging along and then um And then she was in a car accident. My wife, my wife was killing a car accident. How did that happen? Drunk driver. She went to see her sister in a play in Seattle.

And, yeah, she was in this car accident. I was supposed to be there. But, yeah, a drunk driver hit them. And she was killed. So this is the second person that's been, that's why I'm super like, winning my friends drink and drive, dude. I get super upset and yeah and I just kind of went off the deep end I was like in the took time off work was in like the fetal position for a month on my couch and this guy

he used to work in my lab I was a systems engineer I got my MCSC that's that's what I left out I got my MCSC it's a Microsoft certified systems engineer you take like six tests five tests and an elective and um so this guy used to come check on me and he always bring me food make sure i was okay like didn't kill i i think he just checked come and check to see if he ever found a body for real right he would bring me McDonald's and he brought me this McDonald's and he's like hey man i put some speed in your orange juice just get you off this couch and i was like yeah yeah yeah okay cool man cool yeah i'm okay i'm okay And I thought my vision of speed is like cross tops or mini-thens.

The old trucker speed you could get at the, at like, or like Robin's eggs. These are all like 70s like speed that, you know, we go around school, just like little pills, you know, pharmaceutical pills and yellow jackets. You know, there's all kinds of different ones. What was his idea of speed? Meth. Right. Yeah. Crank.

Yeah. and man it I felt so good it felt so good I I like God you know I was laying there I felt it come on and I was like what the hell my head was tingly you know I was like whoa what the heck man and like I got it went and looked in the mirror and my face was all like my eyes were open you know my pupils were big, I was just like, it was just the most amazing feeling I'd ever had to come from such a low, right, to such a high. It wasn't just like I was, you know, hey, we're at a party drinking. You're like, hey, just try this to a line, you know, and you get high. You're already high, drunk high, but you get high and, you know, maybe you like it, maybe you don't, it keeps you up,

but to be from such a low, and I thought about this for, you know, a long time because I became such this raging addict. Like, you know, not, one of the, one of the, one of the one, of my therapist told me, you're not really like a drug addict. You're like an adrenaline junkie because you just want to feel the rush, feel the rush, feel the rush. You don't want to, like, just feel high and just like marinate in it, you know, and, you know, go flail and be tweaky somewhere. You, like, just want to just keep getting high and, like, have that adrenaline. But anyway, got up, shaved, clean myself up, you know, went to a strip bar, the seventh veil in Hollywood met this stripper she was from North Carolina and just talking to her I'm I'm leaving off

my credit cards now because I'm not working I'm paying everything with credit cards and so I'm like buying lap dances from her and she's just like hanging on to me she sees me I'm spending money and and I'm high as as as F and she's like actually she's like are you high I'm like yes I told her the story. You know, like, yeah, my wife died I was on the couch and this guy brought me some speed and she's like, well, get some more and I'll get high with you. And I'm just like, okay, so I call the dude and he's like, yeah, yeah, sure, sure. So he brings me like a little bindle, you know, and that lasts me a couple days, you know, like a, like a quarter or a half gram, like, lasts me a couple days. We end up selling to her friends. And she, she, like,

knows this guy, this Mexican guy, we can get it, you know, cheaper and better. And she's like, We'll just buy an ounce and we'll sell to all my girlfriends. And I'm basically, she's staying with me. I'm staying with her, you know, a couple nights that were, we're inseparable, though. Right. She introduced to me this Mexican guy. I start buying ounces from him. But because I'm so clean cut, he wants me to go buy glassware from like this, this chemical place.

Like big flask that you cook in. Right. I didn't kind of knew that's what he was doing. But I just, like, pretended I didn't know what I knew what he was doing. He's like, hey. if you go to this place and get me like these two big flask and you know this condenser and all these these like chemistry lab things um i'll hook you up you know anyway him and i become really close because i got a little bit of snap to me you know but i'm not like you know like

serenio gangster guy and that's kind of what this guy was right and i didn't even know what a serenio was at that time i'm getting that stuff for him him and i have a pretty good relationship even when i'm not buying that stuff. He's fronting me, you know, quarter pounds. I start selling all the drag queens down on Santa Monica Boulevard. And that was a whole new world for me. You know, I'd come in, hey, ladies, what's going on? Hey, you look good.

Those are new shoes? Just always flirting with all the drag queens. And he used to drive my girlfriend nuts, the stripper chick. She's like, are you gay? I was like, no, I'm just having fun. And, but they would pay a lot for dope. And her and I, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, We would go on, like, little trips to, like, sell their friends, her friends over here.

We went to North Carolina a couple of times. We'd take the train. We took the train everywhere. And we'd get a sleeping car on the train. Have you ever taken an Amtrak? No. Yeah, we'd get like a sleeping car and they had like a bar car. We went to Marty Graw one time on the train.

Yeah, came down through here, went back up to Chicago on the train, would go back. And we would just like, you know, be high and drink. But there was this one point where I didn't have no drugs, no money. and I would always use my credit card to buy a train ticket. Well, back then, the credit card number would be on receipts, like the whole number. Yeah, yeah. And I, this is the craziest thing. I used to think about this all the time.

Like, if I wouldn't have found this receipt, what I have ever done this, I found this receipt and had the number on it. And so I just call it in to buy a train ticket, and it works. It, like, totally worked. And so I get a train ticket from L.A. to Washington, D.C. By this time, I'm already looking for more receipts. So I have, like, kind of a little stack of receipts that I'm going to try, you know. And I would walk through parking lots and look through receipts, Home Depot parking lots,

and look through receipts just to get these numbers. And sometimes they would work. Sometimes they wouldn't. Because I wouldn't know the zip code. You know, I would have to, like, guess, okay, that Home Depot was not in zip code. Right. But I did that for a while. But I was also selling drugs

I didn't have to do it all the time But it was always like a Even if I had money If I could get one of those to work I would do it We go up to Germantown Gaithersburg It's all these are all towns in Maryland

We go up there And I'm at this Denny's And I hear these guys talking behind me And they're talking about drugs And this Denny's is in the parking lot Of this hotel And

They're talking about drugs And so And I'm looking at my girlfriend, I'm like, and long-bendy Twizzlers candy keeps the fun going. Do you hear these guys? Yeah. Dude, I've never

strong-armed anybody ever in my life. I'm kind of a pussy that way. You know what I mean? Like to like, like, take a gun and be like, hey, bitch, feed me all your money. And even though I pretended to be that guy for a long time in prison. Right. Yeah. But I told myself to be super rigorously honest and, you know, I'm here with you. Maybe I should be too honest.

I come home and I'd be like, what? What'd you do? You're a weirdo, man. But I already kind of warned her, you know, gave her heads up. But she knows. She knows them. Softest cotton. But, uh, I mean, you know, I'm just being self-deprecate.

I um so you guys are talking about drugs yeah thank you thank you you're you're good at that you're good at these guys are talking about drugs I watch them they go right up to this room in um at the at the hotel well somewhere in my travels I got this uh jacket that says police on the back and on the shoulder it says like border or something I can't remember what it said but it was like a windbreaker. I had that and we go back to our room and I'm like, I'm going to go rob these guys. She's like, what?

I'm like, yeah, because they look pretty lame, you know. And even though I was a lame, I thought, I can take these guys, you know? And I've never been in a fight, you know, except for like with cousins, you know, when I was a kid or, you know, stupid shit like that. And I think I can take these guys. So I'm going to go for it, man. And I don't know what gave me the nuts. to do this. Do you have a gun? I have nothing. I have nothing. No fake badge, no

anything. Just this jacket. You know, what am I going to do? Come in backwards, you know? Right. Please, please. So anyway, so I like pound on the door. They open it and I like push the guy, come in. Please, you know, give me the drugs. You know, it was like the stupidest thing. He's like, they're like, what? What the hell? That's a windbreaker. Yeah, yeah. You got nothing but a windbreaker. Yeah. This guy comes out of the bathroom and he says police and I'm like, what the hell? And I just run, dude. So they were the police? There was a cop in there.

But I think those dudes, I think those dudes didn't know that or I don't know, man, because I just got scared and ran. He's like police and I just got scared and ran. I would love to say like those guys got scared too and were like, what, you're a cop, but I don't know. So I run, I take the jacket off, put it in this trash can, go around the building, go up into my room, and I just hang out there. Mind you, this room is all being paid with fake credit cards. You know, not fake credit cards, but, you know, it's number of credit cards. And so I go in there and I tell her, I'm like, oh, my God, man, it didn't work.

And there was a cop there. She's like, what are you talking about? And I tell her, she's like, but that doesn't know that makes sense. I'm like, I know it's crazy. like an hour later maybe I hear this boom boom boom boom police at our hotel room you're like that now that's the police

that's the police that's how they knock I got the knock all wrong yeah yeah and uh so I look in the people and I can see there's like some like down the hallway and there's one like standing like off the side it's not one guy in a windbreaker no it's not so the dude opens the door well I open the door

I'm like, hey, what's up? And they, like, come in. They're like, are you so-and-so? The fake name or whatever fake name I used. Cecil Vinikoff, that's the name I used. I forgot about that name. Cecil Vinikov. Okay.

And I loved that name, man. I don't know why I love that name. So anyway, so they asked me questions. They realized, you know, can we see the card you pay for the room? They realized that that was lame. They found all these, like, numbers written down in the hotel. stationary. I remember that specific because it was part of my, like, discovery. Right. I get arrested. They take me to jail. I'm trying to talk to my girlfriend, you know,

to get me bailed out. My bail was, was cheap. They got me for impersonating law enforcement using, you know, numbers that weren't mine. I can't remember what they called it. She finds a bail bondsman that's going to take one of these checks that we had. And, And I commit fraud to get me out of, to give me bond on my fraud charge. And I did. And I didn't think it was going to work. I had just ordered a bunch of canteen. And the cops like, hey, Yardra, roll it up.

And the first thing we do is get a train ticket to go to Boston. I know, stolen credit card. I was stolen credit card. So we get a train ticket from there to Boston. I bought the whole package from there to Boston to Chicago, lay over for a couple days, and then go to Ellis. Are you afraid they'll figure it out, like halfway through the... Yeah, that's happened one time. Okay.

And got kicked off. We go up to Boston. We get a room at the Boston Harbor Hotel. So we stay there and we're just like living out these fake credit cards. I have friends that wire me money here and there, you know, when they would. But, you know, all the friends that I had, you know, when I was when I was a citizen, you know, like normal. Yeah, not a drug addict. They were starting to see that it was all, everything I'm telling them's lies.

You know, I would say, oh, I'm doing a project. appear for, you know, AT&T or Microsoft, you know, because that's what I did. I didn't travel a ton, but I traveled a little bit back then. But anyway, they're starting to realize that I'm no good at that, at that time. So we get back to California. We get some drugs, and I get another train ticket to go, it's a wine tasting train on Amtrak. So you basically go from L.A. to Seattle, and you, like, you sip wine, and there's,

like, wine tasting, and you go through Napa Valley, through the vineyards. And I get a hold of a friend that used to live where I lived in Montana, and he lives in Calispell. So we take the train to Calispell. Well, while I'm staying with him, I steal one of his credit cards because he's got... You're a good friend. Yeah. Oh, man.

Like, that, that one really hurt. No, it really did. Nobody's more upset about this than me. Yeah. Like, I feel like your friend was more upset than you. Well, I mean, like, him and his wife went with me on my honeymoon, you know. His wife was my wedding coordinator. It gets worse.

Okay. Yeah, like, we all went to Mexico to Mazatlan together on my honeymoon. And so they just thought that was me. And they thought now it's, you know, oh, it's poor Sam. You know, of course we're going to let him come stay. Right. You know, but I got this new girlfriend. But as soon as they seen her, because she's a stripper, you know,

and she walked, talked everything like a stripper. And they seen me where I'm not, you know, I'm an addict. Right. Yeah, you know, you're not the guy that used to know. No, not even a little bit. And so I, we get there. I steal a credit card. I order a new laptop and I have it sent to their house with their credit card.

And, and the laptop comes. I said, oh, that's, you know, they had to send that to me because I needed to work from here. Right. You know, just making up lies. That's perfect. Like if it shows up, they go, yeah, yeah, I had that order from 18. Not them not realizing they just paid for it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I said, it really hurt me. Like, you know, once I got clean and realized all the bridges, you know, that was kind of one of the big ones. And they won't talk to me. I've reached out and, you know, the night staff, you know, to make a man. And so, so I do that and we end up going back to, we're going to Seattle back down to L.A. But now I got this, you know, just new laptop.

And, and, but of course, they realize when we get to Seattle, this is, I just know this from the discovery again. They realize when we get to Seattle that I've stolen from them. So they call the police. We're halfway between Portland and L.A. We get to a stop. And as we're slowing down to this stop, I realize this isn't one of our normal stops. Right. Because it doesn't stop at every little town.

Yeah. It stops like a bigger town. But we're stopping at this little town. It's slowing down and like there's these ATVs like against the train like coming with it. But they weren't like police ATVs. They're like railroad worker type ATVs. And I'm looking at my girlfriend. I'm like, dude, do you see that?

And we're slowing down? Because I, you know, I'm worried. Like, I already know, like, they're going to find out pretty soon. Right. So, like, now I'm like, I hope this isn't for us, you know. I hope this isn't for us. So I separate from her and go sit with this other guy. And so we're not together, you know, because they're going to be looking for a couple.

Right. And, man, I bought. her this teddy bear and I only bring this up for a reason I bought her this teddy bear she loved this teddy bear she took it with her everywhere like it was almost weird you know and um she what she called that teddy bear man I wish I could remember the name I would anyway she called it there was the name for it and like all my friends thought it was creepy you know like it was a teddy bear I was like no no she likes the teddy bear and uh so the cops were looking for a girl with a titty bear and a guy, you know, who's, you know, my description.

So we separate. And so the conductor comes on. He's, like, looking like this. You know, I'm just, like, on the computer. Hey, everything cool. Everything's cool. And then we see these, like, cops come on. Big cops.

Like, these cops are like, they're just big cops. And, or maybe I just remember it that way. And they're, like, walking through and they're looking to everybody. And they see her with the. teddy bear and they're like what's your name and she's like all nervous like you know beatrice you know whatever Montgomery and um she they like stay right there and they like come down and they see me and they know it they know it's me for some reason like they don't have a picture of me they just I must have just been like trying to pretend maybe the wedding planner still has pictures

from your wedding oh absolutely yeah I guess I guess I guess they would. Right, maybe. Yeah. Like, oh, I have a picture of him. From Mexico, from, we went to Vegas one time. We all went to Disneyland. We did a lot of things together.

Yes, I guess, I guess they probably did. I just don't remember them having one, like, looking like that. Anyways, they're like, are you Sam Yarbrough? I was like, no, I'm Cecil. I'm Cecil. They're like, are you Sam Yarbrough? They see some ID. I was like, I'm Sam Yarbrough, you know.

And they're like, they grab the laptop. And I was playing a, you don't know. Jack. Do you remember that game? It's like a, like, you don't know Jack. It's like a trivia game. Anyway, I was playing, you don't know Jack. But they take the laptop. Yeah, they did take the laptop.

They took the laptop, because I gave a laptop to someone on a train one time. I just gave it to him. I don't know why, but that wasn't this time. And, uh, he should have given it to him that time. Here, hold this. Ma'am, would you like a teddy bear? Here. Yeah. Hold that teddy bear.

Yeah, watch them take those two away. Yeah. There's not us. It's not us. Yeah. These people. So I got, they booked me in jail. They, yep, they book her too.

There's a warrant for us, both of us in Calispell. So they booked me in this little weird jail in Siskew County. Or is it, I went from Dunsmere to Siski or Siski to Dunsmear. I can't remember. But it was one of those. They called it snitch Jew County, all the, all the, you know, yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, and I don't know anything about this time. Right.

I'm still a square, but, I mean, I should have showed you on any of my shirt before we started. But, yeah, it's a, and yeah, anyway, all these skis, so I get in this jam, they're like, hey, white boy, come over here. And I don't know shit, you know, I don't know the lingo. I don't know. This is California now. Right. You know, and, you know, you've probably heard the stories or met people, you know, by now. now that, you know, they're just a, you know, a different kind of dude, you know, with their head back and with their breast mustache, you know, even, even the white boys, white boys,

Mexicans, they all have the Boucher, the Boucher. And so I'm just like, you know, hey, you know, I, yeah, you have an envelope, you know, they kind of like take me in, you know, I'm a square, but they're not like, you know, effing with me. They're just like, hey, man, yeah, come on in. Are you good? You good? What happened?

I was like, man, I did some credit card stuff. You know, like, oh, yeah, you're good, man. Because they didn't need to see my paperwork. And they had a guard, too. You know, the guard, they probably asked the guard, and the guard told him, you know, no, he's good. He just got pulled over. Yeah, you've just been arrested, too. Yeah.

So they find out, I can draw. And so they're all like, here, man, you know, take, and we draw a flower on this envelope. So now I'm popular. And it's so weird how drawing and art and tattooing you can be the most popular guy. Even on the streets, it can be a somewhat popularity, especially with tattooing, you know, because I'm a tattoo artist, you know that, but I haven't talked about that yet. Yeah, it's just a weird thing. So anyway, I'm drawing envelopes for all these, like, gang members, you know, like these white boy gang members. And they're like, hey, man, oh, man, those lips look black, you know, got to make those lips smaller, man.

I need a white girl in that envelope because I haven't drawn a lot of portraits at that time. but um but i have now i was going to give someone taught me a long time ago you don't i never outline lips you know but the in the upper lips should always be darker no matter what someone told me that long time ago and um anyways i don't know why i said that please cut all right so you're all so i'm drawing um i get moved from there um they're like yeah all right bye man bye see you later and i was like yeah see you guys later you know it's the total And so they take me to the next Joe And I get there

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and no actually we all went to the library and when we went to the library I forgot about this the cop said hey Yari you stay back and all the other guys went to the library

and we're going to put you in a cell by yourself and I'm like well why they're like those guys don't want you in there I was like why they're like they don't know you they don't like you they just don't want you in there i'm like oh okay i never knew why man what why but why not like you know now i i would say you guys are bitches because you should have smashed me out of the out of the tank right right yeah instead of waiting to try and tell the cop to have me come up to separate now i would stab those fools man

for real what did your knuckles say tarred life tarred life i was like I was like that does that say tard life yeah you know everyone has hard life yeah yeah yeah yeah that shit's gay yeah uh from Vegas put those on me yeah good do one my best friends so so they put you in another cell yeah they put me in another cell and I'm just like okay man those guys don't like me I was kind of hurt you know I was like man I was just trying to be their friend you know right and uh so anyways so a van takes us to uh to uh to to Seattle, or, or no, we stay overnight in some, it's like van to van to van. They didn't have that transcourt like they do now.

We'll take it all over the country. Right. But it was like, you know, sheriff's office to sheriff's office to sheriff's office. And so I do that. We do that all the way back to, uh, it was pretty smooth sailing all the other jails after that. We do that all the way back to Calisbell. Get to Calispell.

I have some charges. These charges, I remember. Deceptive practices. and a bad check common scheme, they call it. These are Montana charges, state charges. And so I get in that jail. I'm in that jail for a long time. So I meet some guys.

I meet this guy. We'll just call him AJ. He was a dealer in town. I told him, yeah, I'm sort of a little dope. And we become friends. He's got a big personality. I'm developing. a big personality in that in that world you know in this jail and um kind it's kind of like

I'm becoming someone different it's this is really well like I'm not the systems engineer square um guy anymore I like from all these things that have happened all these jails you know in Maryland and uh you know all these other little jails and all my little scams that I would do to to get here or be there I'm just becoming a different person and so I meet this guy and we become friends fast and like close friends like we got plans you know from when we get out he's doing it like a year and a half county jail sentence it was weird now I question all of it but because some other stuff that happens later um but he's in that jail for a really long time and so you know I'm in that

jail I went through so much shit in that jail but it's It's all dumb, boring stuff. You know, smashing TVs, going into the hole, things like that. Getting in fights. I think I'm tough. And, you know, I realize that, like, I can manipulate dudes to thinking I'm tough by just the words I say. Right. And really, I'm scared, you know.

But it's one of those things. Have you ever heard the thing where two dudes are fine? One dude's scared and the other dude's glad. Right. You ever heard that? Yeah. So it's that almost. all the time but you know I do get in a couple fights but only the ones I know I can win

where I just like take off you know and but how was a crappy fighter one one time this dude seen me lose like two fights in a row this native cat up in Calspo and he's like he's like man come here man he's like I'm in boxing a long time man he's like you can't box I know I know that up yeah he says but I got one tip for you I'm not going to teach you how to jab or anything I got a tip for you that's going to work and you're going to start winning fights I was like, what? He's like, keep your eyes open, bro. He's like, if you keep your eyes open, you're going to be victorious, right?

It is, oh, and get rid of the war cry. Because he said, I would just go, he's like, get rid of the roar cry. I'm like, okay, good advice, good advice. And it served me well, man. Like, it served me well. I wish I could think that guy for that advice. So anyways, from in this county jail, I get these charges.

I end up getting prison time, state time, and I go to the state jail and the state prison. It's called Deer Lodge. It's in Montana. And I got 10 years with six suspended. Oh, my God. Okay, I was like 10 years for a laptop and some bad checks. Yeah, yeah. Dude, it was more than that.

It was more than that at first. But, you know, I was like, you know, don't take that deal. Don't take that deal. You know, wait it to the last minute. And, but their last minute was still 10 years with six suspended. But in Montana, you only do a quarter of the time that you have, that you get sentenced. So, was that a year? Quarter of four, so it's four years, really.

It's four years. So you did a year. You've already been locked up. How long did you get credit for all that movement? No, no, I didn't. I didn't actually. Because I was there for about a year, but a little bit less than a year. man a lot happened in that in that time though i think it seemed like a long time i was there

but it couldn't have been because i yeah so they cut they cut you loose immediately no no i i didn't doing like almost a year in that prison okay yeah i'm just saying like um i i why didn't i get that i'm missing something but but anyways i end up doing a year but i did a long time in that in that county jail too Maybe it's because I lost good time or I lost, because you have to have clear conduct. Oh, that's what it was. That's what it was. You have to have clear conduct and I was tattooing and getting in trouble all the time.

Okay. Yeah. When you left, I decided what the name of the teddy bear was. What? Bielzebub. Yeah. Was the stripper with Bielzebub waiting for you when you got out? No, she was.

No. No. But what? That's not. Are you serious? That doesn't happen? I mean, but, but you were. Kindred spirits.

Are you telling me that the stripper with the Beelzebub fetish of Teddy Bear didn't wait for you? Yeah, I know. She cheated on me while I was in there. Oh, my God. When she would come visit. Did she come visit? Oh, yeah. She did come visit?

Yeah, because she had shocking. That's shocking, too. Yeah, well, because she had nowhere to go. And she was staying with my friend Allen's girlfriend. So she's kind of obligated. Kind of obligated. Yeah. But she was like, I met this guy.

He totally looks like Fabio, you know, and I can't remember this guy's, yeah. Which is what you want to hear. Later, he's super cool, super cool. Yeah, so you want to hear Fabio. Colby doesn't know who Fabio is. Really? I have an idea. It's like some, probably something like, you know, darker skin guy with long hair and a white shirt.

Something like that. He's my guess. Long hair. Yeah. Like a Harlequin romance guy. Doesn't know who Harlequin. He doesn't know that either. Yeah, it's, it's, you know, like he would be riding a, riding a horse in blue jeans and no shirt.

He's in amazing, and blonde flowing hair. And there really was a Fabio. Like, there was a real Fabio guy that women loved. And he was on the covers of all those magazines. He was this idealic guy, you know, like a Nordic looking blonde hair, blue eye, like a guy that doesn't really exist in real life. Yeah. But, yeah. Yeah, have you seen him?

Everyone would look at him Right, so in the 90s, anyone who looks like him. In the 80s, 90s, some chick says, oh my God, I'm at this guy today. He looks like Fabio. He'd be like, oh, this is over. Yeah. He was the bartender at the bowling alley bar. I feel like Fabio could do better than that.

But to be honest with you, if you've ever heard an interview with the real Fabio. Oh, yeah, he's an idiot. Yeah, he's an idiot. Probably bartender at the local. At the local bowling alley sounds about right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so anyway, you know, she would lie to me. She was like, no, I haven't had six with him, promise.

We're just hanging out. Yeah, we're just hanging out. And she's high, you know, because she would come to the thing. Does she still have the teddy bear? Yeah, she did. It was in her property. And she would bring that teddy bear to the thing. Oh, my God, they get me a little bit of a bag back.

Yeah. Oh, I almost had the name. So, um, so anyway, she would come and she'd be like, Like this, like, she always did this when she was like, Oh, no, no, no, that's not good. So I always knew she was high. I was like, you're high. She's like, she's like, no, I'm not.

No, I'm not. I'm like, you're doing the thing. And so anyway, so she would come visit me, but she, and she, she ended up writing a bad check to a pizza place or something. Something like that. Like a $20 bad check. Yeah, something like that. I can't remember.

So she violated her probation and she, came back to jail just for a second and then got back out when she got back out she went back home uh to maryland or no north carolina north carolina um i meet a girl from maryland later who yeah anyway um so uh so i go to prison and um get out and i'm trying to because i went to pre-release twice or had the halfway house twice i get out and i go to Butte, Montana. You've ever heard of Butte? No.

I mean, I have heard of it, but I don't know anything about it. Yeah, it's just a small old mining town. There's like two streets that go up into a hill, and there's like a couple of buildings. It's really small. And it's kind of bigger now. But so I go to the halfway house there. I'm drinking, and I meet this girl. She's a biker chick.

And so when you go to the halfway house, you... you have to put in like your your exit plan you know um and so i end up staying there i meet this girl um she's passed away she just passed away last year yeah well she ended up telling on me so you know um i don't want i don't want to say f her but i was gonna say him still yeah yeah yeah so so i go to the halfway house not much happens there um i you know i drink a couple times there but um so i i'm moving with this this biker chick and her whole fan families, bikers, you know, I move in with her and she's shooting oxies. I was just thinking bikers, like, I mean, like somebody used addicts should probably not be

living with bikers. Like I would think bikers have all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did. But, you know, I never got high with them. I never, I didn't, I never liked bikers, you know. I don't know why. I don't know why. And I have biker friends, you know.

I'm friends with the West Coast President of the Hells Angels, you know. But I just, most of them are bugger eaters. That's what I call them, bugger eaters. I don't know. Someone told me that term a long time ago. But I have lots of friends who are bikers that are cool. But I never got high there on math, on meth. Right.

But she would shoot pills. That's when oxies were really taken off. Taken off. And she would shoot oxies and shoot oxies. And she would always ask me if I want him. I was like, no, I'm on probation. I get UA'd. But just one time, man, I said, you know what?

I'll try it. And she was so happy. She was so happy. So she, like, mixes me this little thing. And anyway, I do it. And so we're doing that. I'm dodging the UA's. I'm, you know, bringing fake pee with me in a little lemon squeezer and, you know,

beating the UA's. and it's funny the guy is like man you seem high but you're you're playing so i was like man it's just my style man it's just my stilo you know he's like something's weird but anyway so um my girl knew i was beating those we get in this big argument she disappears for like three days and uh she comes home in a taxi like oh like where's your car she's like it's at my friend's house I'm like, well, what are you doing? She said, I'm just grabbing some clothes. I'm like, well, where the fuck you been?

She's like, I'm with a friend. Don't worry. I'm not cheating on you, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, well, who's your friend? She's like, says the guy's name. Like, and he's like someone big in town. He's like, it's not good. He's like this big dude in town, like, you know, whatever that she had been wanting to hook up with for a long time.

She tells me that later. And so I was like, well, well, fuck you. I'm leaving. And she's like, yeah, whatever. But I had nowhere to go. I'm not from. Montana. I'm not from Butte. I don't know. I don't have family there.

And so but I'm getting high with her at this at this time. And so she like leaves, but she works at the, it's a place called Grandma's All You Can Eat, buffet. But I would always go there to get a pill from her when I would be sick, you know? And I called her.

I went and got a pill. No, she called me. She called me. And, um, and she's like, Hey, I got some. And I was like, okay, I'll be right there. And so I go there and she gives me one and I get back to the house. I make it. I do it as I'm pulling out. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

I'm like, what the hell? I like, look out the thing. It's a cop and my PO or the, I didn't have a PO yet. It was the people who monitor the, there's a name for it. Like, when you go to the halfway house, you go to the half a house, you go to the half a halfway house, then you do like six months of this program, and then you get a P.O. Right. So, so, like, I still have to go to the halfway house and, like, check in.

When you shoot opiates and, like, you get a good shot, you kind of helicopter, I call it helicoptering. Like, your vision is like, and it's part of, like, what I love, you know. Anyway, so I'm helicoptering. I as I'm putting the cap on and in like if you're like rushing too hard and any like junkie will tell you this that if you when you go to put the cap on sometimes you'll poke your finger right because you're like this too you just leave it anyway so as I'm trying to do that I hear pam pam pam bam bam bam bam bam I go look out the window it's them it's like my you know halfway house PO that we'll just call her that yeah and and a cop um I have to answer it, you know. So I answer it. I'm just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. She's like, hey, how are you doing? I'm like, her name was Meg. I'll never, yeah. And she's like, hey, how are you doing? I'm like, I'm good. I'm good. She's like, I need you to you weigh in this. I was like, okay. And when you're like, helicoptering and you can't pee, you know, you can't.

It's almost impossible. And I'm like, all right. So I go to the bathroom. She doesn't even go back there with me. She just, I go the bathroom and I'm like, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? And I just couldn't think of anything. I was just rushing for it. I just like gave up. You know, I'm just going to take the dirty way. You know, okay they don't send me back.

So I finally pee. It takes me a long time. She's like, are you okay? And I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. I can't pee. And finally, I get a little bit out. I get she, go, is that enough? She's like, yeah. So anyway, of course, that comes back dirty.

Um, maybe the dirtiest pee we've I've ever had gotten in my life. Yeah. She said that. Were you just shooting dope? Yeah. She said it was like, it goes up to like 3,000, whatever, you know, and she said, it just said, 3,000 plus, plus, plus, plus. She's like, so you can't say it's whatever, you know.

And, um, so yeah, that happened. They locked me back up. They, they, the county jail had gotten caught on fire or something. So they had us all on warm springs, which is like, the psych hospital where like if you get convicted you know for and you be found like clinically insane right that that's where they kept so we were there um with with all them but we were in like locked cells so yeah so i was at warm springs for the clinically insane and uh waiting to go to court um i don't even go to court they just like bring me this like paper because technically i'm a prison

an inmate. Yeah, yeah. Out on... You don't have the same rights. It's everybody else. Right. It's just a paper. I signed it.

I went back to... I went back to prison. And you have to do, like, this classification when you get back there. And when I got back there, everyone's like, hey, you know, because they can see us going to Chow and stuff. It's like, I knew you'd be back, fool. I knew you'd be back. And, yeah, so I go back.

But I boomeranged. they call it a boomerang in Montana's where you're at a halfway house you get a violation you go there and boomerang back and I boomerang back but that halfway house won't take me back because um what one of my jobs there I was working at this car dealership and at the halfway house they would give us these little key cards and um I totally forgot about this they give us these little key cards and um the uh it to get into the gym where we could go work out right right so there was two key cards at the at the front desk when you go you say hey i'm going to go to the gym i got a gym pass when you're in the halfway house right so you take a key card you go to the gym

the gym is basically a um what's that the like the knights of columbus you know like a vf type thing it's in this like knights of columbus where they have like a bar it's down in the basement. So you have to, like, go through this bar and casino to get to this gym. Anyways, I was selling, I was selling those cards to, uh, as gym memberships to the guys at the, at the dealership. So they end up finding out about that because, you know, those guys are in there working out.

And the owner, he owns the bar and the gym who's like friends. It's, it's a really small town. Right. He's friends with all the people that own the halfway house because it's, privately owned um i almost had their names to my lips they're like a big family in that town and um yeah i i i got busted they're like who are you he's like oh i got a membership a membership from who well from sam the guy who works for you right he's like i don't know who the f sam is dude he's like well he worked at the dealership too he said he's like part-time

for you selling memberships it's like they would just give me like 20 bucks right Yeah, here. You know, just go work out. And so when I went to Boomerang back, they were like, no, we don't want them. He was selling memberships to the gym, you know. And so they sent me to Billings, Montana, where I live now, currently. Right. They sent me to Billings, Montana.

And, yeah, so that's where I went. But as soon as I got there, I ran. I took off because my buddy, AJ, who was up. that remember I said we had big plans right I go with him to he now lives in Colorado and selling drugs and painting houses right so I go on the run there I do a fake name oh man I forgot about the time I would make these IDs like remember Kinkos yeah yeah I would make IDs all the time at Kinkos I had like these templates you know from like different states and everything was laminated then

and I would I had every state I can't remember I got that CD ROM but I would make these IDs at Kinko's I basically you know they had the self-serve I go in there put the disc in

put the picture on on the thing or not on the computer I had a hard photo and later I did it on a computer and we do it all right there print it to myself they didn't have to do nothing

then you just go up and say yeah i was on a computer for 10 minutes and i had three things laminated but i wouldn't i wouldn't even tell about all the lamination in the in the printouts by the time i was doing that stuff i was you could buy that you'd go get a card or you could put your credit card in and do it right right yeah they didn't have that then um but funny story one time i was printing it out and i sent it to the wrong printer i sent it to the plotter and i'm like where's my printout and it's behind the counter and there's this big California ID dropping out of their

plotter. Dude, it was like it was like, it was like, and I was like, I'm out of here. Dude, I took off. They were probably like, what the hell is this big ID with picture of me? You know, like, dude, it was nuts. Anyway, I knew

how to make IDs, you know, at that time. And I got really good at it. And, like, from scratch, sometimes I would just do it. But anyways, so I had a fake ID, and I think I was using Victor. Oh, yeah, Victor Vallin, who was my uncle that died. I was using his name and with permission for my grandmother. And yeah.

Can I use his name to make fake IDs? My grandma was gangster, man. Was she? Yeah, dude. Of course. Yeah, one time, and, you know, she loved me and she would hide me out. But one time I needed a fake ID, and she went down in downtown L.A. in MacArthur Park. if you you'll see guys they'll be going like this they go like that like you look at it

make i kind if you if you stare like for more than a couple seconds they go like this and you'd be like yeah and so you go with them and they take you in this back room in macarthur park and they take a picture of you and they'll make you a green card and uh an i-5-5-1 card they're not actually green they're pink but it's your resident alien card they'll make you one of those and i would take that and go to like the social security office and say, you know, hey, I need a, I need a social security number. And, um, you know, you had to have a second form of ID or a second or a second piece of thing. And I, man, twice I manipulated them into issuing me a social security card. And the only reason why I didn't

have one is because I was from another country. Right. And, um, because, you know, they'd be sometimes, I tried to do it one another time with, with a person and they're like, no, you're too old. You used to have one. And, uh, the, uh, so anyway, so, twice I would get that in like a couple of times I get booked into a jail and they'd be like you're not sam yarbrough you're you're uh Christian delerentis I used that name for a while too you're Christian delorentz dude I was booked in jail for five months where you're giving these name well dino de laurences is a as a movie producer right yeah so I was like I was his son you know so yeah he got out of control for a little bit and those things all kind of happen kind of

before this you know I just kind of I'm trying to be succinct in in the story but it's you know it's hard there's so much you know in like the days and times that's why if you see me like pause and think I'm not like pause and thinking to create fiction I'm like trying to remember the nonfiction you know and so it's like anyway so I was doing that and you met your bud the buddy that you had plans with in prison got out of prison yeah yes so I went there different name Victor Vallan and um uh We were doing our thing. Painting houses selling drugs.

Painting houses selling drugs. Lots and lots and lots and lots of drugs. And I kind of messed up when I first got there, we used to always talk. You know, when these days we're going to be on the streets together, we're going to get to the biggest shot we've ever done, you know. And other people who've done the drug will know that you always talk about that. I'm going to do the biggest one that's going to just drop me and, you know. And he sure did, man. The first day I got there, he's like, come on.

We ran upstairs and he mixed these, like, big shots. And we did him, man. And my whole reality changed, like, like things. Everything just changed. And it was the weirdest feeling. And, you know, people were, look, I could see, like, demons and people. Not like, not like hallucinating demons, but like, I could see the evil in people. Right.

And, but anyway. So I got there, did that big shot. um started dealing painting houses we're having a blast having a blast but some weird things started happening um i was seeing finding hidden cameras um seeing uh just him uh the guy who the guy who i was with, kind of like disappear, wouldn't know where he was. This is one specific story. We were driving from a house in Denver, and we're driving along. And I already think he's working with the police.

And he's, like, protecting me and leaving me out of it or whatever. I don't know what's going on. And so we're driving, and we're on the freeway, and he's like, oh, what the hell? And the car just, like, stops. He's like, oh, man, I think we're out of gas. This is a brand new car, brand new car. I think, I think we're out of gas where it's electrical or something. I'm like, why is it a brand new car?

I was like, we're out of gas, then. He's like, oh, yeah, we're out of gas. I'm like, all right. So, dude, this is like a long stretch of highway. All that's there is an off ramp and a park and ride, you know, to carpool to go to Denver. And so we go there. There's no cars in the park and ride. we like coast off the freeway to the end of the of the off ramp and we stop he's like dude it's dead

he's like going like this i'm like well what we can do he's like well i'm i have to go get gas somehow and he like he's like goes behind me and there's a gas can behind me that gas can wasn't there earlier in the day guys and there's two cops a wyoming cop and a colorado highway patrol sitting at the at the in the park and ride he's like i'm going to go go get I'm gonna go ask those cops they'll take me to get me some gas I'm like no you're not I'm on the run you're there's tons of drugs under the car under the seat I was like no dude you just will call somebody call somebody he's like no man no it's totally cool he's like just stay here and he goes to the to the two cops at the parking ride and he's there to he's like

puts the gas can on the thing and he's like lean over like talking but he's talking to them for like 30 minutes like a long time and I'm dude I'm sweating I know I have a warrant I am a fake name um drugs in the car I'm like we're hit right we're hit like they're gonna like take him either take him there and the other cop's gonna come here or something bad's gonna happen because he's high so we're like we're super high right we don't look normal right and um so I'm sitting there sweating I'm sitting there sweating and for some reason dude And I was like, I reached over, turned the key, and I seen the gas gauge go like this. I'm like, what the hell?

And I just turned it and it started right up. Right. So I was like, I pumped my nuts, got in the driver's seat, drove down to where those two were, rolled down the window. I was like, come on, jump in, man, we're good. He's just like, I see the cop. As I'm pulling up, I see the cop look at him. He's like, and what I think. thought I saw his lips say, you're going to do now.

Right. What are you going to do now? And I just see Alan go like this. He's like, you know, whatever. He walks over to me. He's like, what are you doing? I was like, dude, the car's good. Let's go.

He's just like, hold on. They found a warrant in San Diego on me for this knife thing a long time ago. I'm like, all right, man. And he goes over and talks to him. And I was like, dude, like another 10 minutes. I'm like, dude, what's going on? And anyways, he comes back to the car. He's like, man, what are you doing, man?

You got a warrant. I was like, I know, dude. But what are you doing? The car's fine. And you're down here for like a half hour, 45 minutes. And now it's like almost been an hour. Right. And the cops just were like laughing as we were like driving away.

And we drove away, man. And I was like, dude, what was that? What was that? He's like, that was nothing. And he was like, they ran the warrant. And they weren't going to extradite. So they let me go. I was like, all right, man.

all right so you're telling me you're not working with those cops dude tell me now you know I'm like tell me now and I'll work with you whatever I just needed him to tell me right and he never would man he never would and there was a few things like that um so anyway um the next day one of our friends got busted in in Wyoming for a bunch of and dope okay yeah and so I I never confronted him on that because I I would just get lies anyway right Right. So, um, yeah, that was nuts. Um, there's a crazy situation. That guy is like part of my life again. He just got out of a state prison because my wife's mom was his, they were best friends growing up, which is a small, weird, small world coinketing, right? Right. But that'll be like later in the story, if I even get to that part. But so, um, it's too. weird. So, um, not like conspiracy weird. It's just like small world weird. And, um, so, uh, so

anyway, so we're, we're dealing drugs. Um, I, I get pretty paranoid at this point. I've kind of, like, step back. I'm not trying to do anything. I'll just paint and, you know, be high and whatever. Um, but I, we went, we went on a trip to Montana because that's where he's, he's from. Well, you know we needed that and when we came back we stopped and seen a friend of mine in billings and they wanted some drugs and we didn't have any to sell them at that point but we got them high and then we left and we said just call us we'll call you when you know when we're good so anyway shortly thereafter they want some he's going to drive to Denver he's got like three grand he's going to drive to Denver um they i don't want to do it

I don't want to do it, but I was like, no, do it, do it, do it, just do it, just do it, man. It's three grand, just do it. I'll give you half of it, just do it. I'm like, no, dude, I told you, I don't want to do anything. He's like, just do it, and you'd be done. I'm like, all right, so I did it. They go back, they get busted when they pull into their driveway. They get busted.

They, of course, instantly, you know, we got it from San Marlboro. We got it from Sam Yarbrough. That's all in my discovery, federal discovery. and um the uh they tried to set me up in casper so so they get busted they call me like hey i already got rid of that it's like nine hours later right it's like eight hours to drive there so they supposedly got rid of all that now they have cast they don't need a they don't they don't need a front for like like two pounds i can't it was some crazy number and uh i said yeah okay yeah good so i was going to talk to Alan. I'm like, hey, dude, you're going to take two pounds of these guys.

Yeah. And he's like, no, no, I'm not going to do that. You just do it. I was like, dude, I don't want to do it. Anyway, we were getting it ready. I was going to do it like an idiot. Before we, before I left, his girlfriend calls the dude, the dude who's there. I don't want to put him his name on blast because he lives where I live and he's doing okay now. And I've forgiven him a long time ago. I broke his jaw in jail, but I forget him a long time ago. The, what was I like, oh yeah? So his girlfriend calls and she's like, hey, where are you? Her and I are really good friends to this day. She's like, hey, where are you? I'm on my way to see John with the shit. And she's like, don't do it, don't do it. He got busted. He got busted. Don't do it. He's sitting you up. And I was

like, really? He's like, she's like, yeah. So I turn around. like on the highway go back to um to uh where i was at for collins and um told all i'm like yeah dude dude dude just tried to set me up he's like no way no way i was like yeah dude yeah see that's what i'm telling you dude i'm done that dude's now i'm gonna be part of his shit right he's already told on me so anyway so just continue to paint houses Alan's doing his things things are weird at the house, you know, um, we end up going to this wedding and I'm with his son and we're like, I'm helping put his tuxedo on and stuff. And I was like, how are you feeling, man? And these were his exact words. He's 11, 12. He says, it's just nice just to be somewhere

where there's not all the cameras. Those were his words. Okay. Because of all the cameras that were in the house inside the house. Right. Recording big deals with big people that were coming you know we were getting those drugs from someone right now i don't want to talk about that because it's all you know um see related cartel related and um so yeah so that was just craziness that he said that but i had already known that you know and um because he knew he knew his dad had to tell him something yeah yeah um so that freaked me out anyway so i leave there i leave there and I go to Montana and I end up getting busted in Montana.

I go stay with my friend Roman. He's not in the UFC, but he fights MMA in Vegas. He just married a UFC fighter. And they just had a baby. That's pretty cool. And I just, I just see pictures of the baby last time.

That's why I was, they're sorry. So how did you get busted? For what? For that, for that selling John that, those drugs. So are we not Montana? Okay, okay, right.

You just didn't come the second time. You just, they just didn't grab you, but they still had you for the first. Oh, yeah, yeah. I got out of that. But yeah, they still had me for that.

Because they'll keep selling to you until they got a case. Until they got you. Well, right now we got them for two years. We keep selling to them. We can get them for 10. Absolutely. They will absolutely do that.

They want to build it to at least over 500 grams because that's where that little mandatory minimum benchmark is. And that's, what, 20 grams over a pound. So it's like 480 grams and a pound. So, yeah, so I get arrested at this bar, Andy's bar. Yeah, I'm actually, I try to hide and they have like this little phone booth, you know. It's like a little, like little tiny one in the bar to like for privacy.

And I'm like hiding in there pretending I'm on the phone. And the bartender is like, oh, he's in the booth. I was like, hey, what's up? He's like, are you Sam Yarrow? I was like, no, man, I'm Victor Ballin. It's like, no, you're not. You're same Arab War. So, yeah, so I get arrested for that.

And I did have a state thing, too. Or no, I did in violation for the running. Right. And so I had a state thing, state charge and the Fed charge. So I end up going back to the state. You know, I fight the case. You know, it's impossible. While I'm in jail there, they end up putting dude in my

in my tank. He didn't want to come in. He didn't want to come in. He told the captain. He's like, I can't go in there. I can't go in there. He's like, I'll go talk to him. The captain comes to me. He's like, hey, can this dude come in here? I'm like, of course he can. Of course he can. I'm not going to break his jaw. Dude, he came in. I was like, in the cell. In the cell. And he just doesn't want to go. And he's like, I'm not going in there. I'm not going in there. I'm like, you're coming in the cell. And he just went come in there. So I just, bam, just like pipelined him, broke his jaw. He fell. started crawling and I'm just like hitting him

as he's crawling to the button and yeah that was that so they of course put me in the hole separate separate us and and he ended up trying to sue the jail the captain and then you on pacer you can find it it's it's

this guy versus the jail captain lair check in samarro it's I'm like in this big lawsuit anyway just threw it out Um, so, uh, where was I at? So, yeah, so there's the, so I, I fight the case.

We'll just fast forward. Now I'm on a, on Conair, getting ready to go to federal prison. Mm-hmm. This is where it starts, brother. This is, I mean, I mean, it's already started because I'm going to federal prison, you know, what, two years before that, I was a systems engineer. Mm-hmm. And now I'm going to the feds. So I'm on my way to the feds.

we fly from Great Falls, Montana to C-Tac. It's just like a little holdover. Usually one or two days, you'll be there. Maybe a week at the longest is normally how long you'll be there. I was there 18 months as a holdover. So, you know, you can't really settle in as a holdover. Right. Because every night you're waiting for them to call your name.

But as I'm there, I run into some real dudes, man. you know well my whole thing about about convicts and prison it's all it's it's all fake to me it's real because people are getting and there's real dudes in there doing real shit but in in the grand scheme like the meaning of life like what you're meaning it's fake you know to me I was an actor I wasn't a factor all those other dudes they're technically they're acting there Because I've been with those dudes in the cell talking like two men, and they're not that dude outside of the cell. Right. Killers.

Killers. Because I'm a likable guy, I don't know, but because I'm the tattoo artist, who knows. But I've seen those, all every one of them that I was around. I've seen them vulnerable. I've seen the hardcore serenios in my cell, like goofy, like a little kid. But as soon as they, as soon as they step out of that cell, they're. hardcore Serenio guy. Anyways, so I get to C-TAC.

I run some real dudes, you know, for prison real. Some a lot of bloods and cribs. I'm learning about, this is like my crash horse and gangs. You know, because that's how everything runs in the feds. It's gangs, well, you know,

like in the medium, medium highs and USPs. It's all gangs and race and state, you know. So you can like fall into any of those. And you've talked about this, you know, You, um, it's, a lot of it is state, mostly, but if you're in a gang, then, then you're not kind of with your state. But then within your gang, there's like state stuff.

Right. You know, like, like, like, it's like reddits and subredits. Um, gangs, sub gangs. Anyway, so, um, I get there. I, I meet a couple. They're, uh, Western Hammerskins and, um, they just kind of like bring me in the full. I like them just because of, of who they are as people. And so, like.

I don't join for protection. I didn't need protection. If you're good, you're good. Right. You know, so you don't have to, you know, you didn't join a gang. I mean, you're at a low. I was a medium for three years, but yeah. But, I mean, I taught GED.

I went, taught my classes. I taught real estate. I came back. I read. I know, I know. Nobody wants me in a game. I mean, I wasn't there, but I knew where you fit in, you know. There was guys like that where everywhere I was.

I'm not a tough guy. I'm not putting in work. Yeah. You don't want me to. Yeah, right. It's not going to go well. I heard you say that. Yeah, you didn't want me to either, but I had to, you know, figure it out.

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Get my swast. You know, I put in a little work. Stab this guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he was going to stab me.

Okay. So basically, we're all playing tickets. You know what a ticket is. You know, we're playing tickets. I'm sweating this USC game. I wish I could remember the details of that, but that's all dumb stuff. But anyway, I'm sweating this USC game. I'm in the black sports TV room.

Right. And, you know, I'm like, hey, man, who's got the remote? It's a commercial. The game they're watching. Let's check the USC score. Everyone's just sitting there like this. I'm like, man, who's got the remote? And this little kid

Come to his Jamaican dude He's like Man right here man Right here Casper This is what they call me I was Casper in there A totally different person And they're like right here Casper

And he goes to change it And the nation of Islam dude We call him John X John X He's like no no no no no Don't change that TV He's like man Johnny It's a commercial

Can we check the USC game He's like no ma'am That white boy What'd you say John It's me dude he's like yeah that white boy i was like all right john let's go now we have a no hands policy right so he can't fight me i can't fight him but i'm trying to fight right it's not me it's you dude right you know and bitch you know i said it all i said it all that's right john

you're an n bitch punk ass right what's up john fight pussy bitch right and uh and um yeah Yeah, he wouldn't fight. He wasn't allowed to, though. It wasn't like he was afraid. Yeah, yeah. I think he was afraid. But so anyway, so I was like, yeah, that's what I thought and walk away. Now, I know something's going to happen.

I know there's going to be politics. It's my unit. I've manipulated my way into having that unit from fighting the who I present myself to be, the ink I have, you know, because everyone else comes and goes, comes and goes. but now this is my unit you know i got a little group of uh they weren't hammer skins there was something else and uh you know it's that's my car we do burpees together we do pushups together you know um you know and i'm skinned bro you know i don't have like this this shaggy hair i just cut my hair it was like down to there i just cut it because it's super curly and uh

so anyway nothing happens but you know i see i feel it ever been on a yard you can feel it something's about to go down. And I've been in a lot of those situations, you know, since then. But I feel it, and I'm just like, oh, man, it's crazy. Well, when we go take a shower, we have security. So, like, if you and I are friends, I'm going to take a shower. I was like, hey, man, man, can you catch security for me while I take a shower? You just stand out there while I'm taking a shower.

Yeah, yeah. I used to think it was dumb. You know, I ain't going to be no pussy. I don't take it by myself. But we had to. It was just, it was the rules. And so I told my security to come, but I needed to. I knew I needed to.

But these dudes, these dudes I had to do security, they're not thinking straight, you know. So they lure one off with, hey man, you want to buy this magazine, knowing that he's always trying to buy. They were black and whites, you know, like. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the copy machine ones. Yeah, and then they put the clear tape over them, right? yeah for the shower or whatever yeah and um so yeah i don't know how creepy you want to get yeah i'm already worried about that you saying the word skin hits like these are all things

that have to be beeped out oh yeah okay all right yeah but i got to tell the story right no go ahead okay yeah you don't me take my shirt off so so what happened so i'm in the shower and uh to get into this shower there's a curtain a shower a shower another wall with the with a walkway and another shower and a curtain between that walkway so you get it yeah it's just like two showers going back but you have to walk through one shower to get to the other one so if someone's taking a shower in there you then like hey man you know like turn your head and keep going unless you're a creed and you and uh so i'm in the shower i got my i got my my my iron on my my head and shoulders bottle with it with a um a hair tie it's like strapped to my head and shoulders

bottle, my knife. And so, like, I'm taking a shower. And I'm, you know, I'm, I'm worried, dude. I know something's going to happen sometime, but I don't think they're going to try to get me in the shower. Or maybe that would be the best time to get me. Turns out it was the best time. And so I'm taking a shower. And I feel it, dude. I feel the air, you know? And I, and I sense a presence. I was like, these, man. So I grab my shit. And dude, the curtain just opened. And I just, like, blindly just took my knife with my left like that and I caught him right here

bam and he just like screams like a bitch and I ran it grabbed him grabbed his legs pulled him up and I just stabbed him two more times in the chest bro and that's the most exhilarating thing I've ever done ever got him

take my shit grab my shit naked I don't even get dressed I come out into the tier like this is all in the second tier I was like, someone come get this bloody, you know, bitch out of my shower and I go to my cell. Did he have a knife? Yeah, yeah, but yeah. You didn't mention that.

You just said there was a guy. Oh, no, I'm sorry. No, it was him coming to give me the Jamaican dude. Okay. Yeah. The main guy. No, no, one of his little creeps. Okay.

So anyway, so I know it's about to be, you know, everything. So I ditch the piece. growing myself get dressed kind of like pack my thing hit up the storm man hit up the heroin man you know because i know i'm going to the hole um no we hit we only had pills at that time there was there was a oh heroin only came out every once in but i got ready to go to the shoe right you know um and uh yeah so they come in they take that dude out he lives yeah he lives and uh dude they don't even investigate it s i s i mean i i i go to the hole because they know it was me but there's no like uh they don't send it to the prosecutor

wait you know they threatened all that sys came and talked to me one time and i was like i don't know i don't know i don't know they was like well we seen you come out the other guy must have been saying i don't know either yeah okay yeah and so um yeah nothing happens uh they of course they searched the whole unit looking for looking for everything um i learned a long time ago that they it's really hard for them their case has to be kind of tight yeah yeah because a lot of it's mutual combat and if they and if for some reason if they don't have the weapon that it's it's hard well and the FBI doesn't want to pick it up unless it's airtight because they don't want it to go into a prison they don't have it's it's way the prisons are typically way out of the way and most of these guys

aren't cooperating and then if somebody goes to trial we've got to move all these inmates back that it's just it's just it's better if it's just absolutely ironclab where people are going to take please yeah yeah so so anyway so i kind of made my bones there you know like now like i i know this all sounds corny and but now i have my my credibility you know um now those things mean something that are those tattoos mean something for real like they have like paperwork that come with them and that's all important you know in the grand scheme of things when you get to where you're going um yeah like super important um if you're gonna if i if i'm gonna be in that role if i'm gonna stay how long do you ultimately get like you've still never said how much time you got

oh yeah so i got um i don't think or did i miss that no i'm no no no i got 108 months oh okay yeah yeah yep yep um which yeah my i can't remember i was a three in the top and a 31 or no 29 two points for acceptance of responsibility um no 5k ones or anything like that no downward departures um now there is a 5k1 but it didn't it didn't pan out okay yeah yeah yeah there was an attempt an attempted 5k1 yeah yeah and not and it wasn't on my case it was some somebody else had that accused, tried to bring me into their trial. Oh, okay. And say that that was mine.

Well, they end up beating the, what they said was mine. They beat that in their trial, but they, but they still had heroin. So they beat the meth. They still got found guilty for the heroin. And I went to their sentencing and said, nah, that wasn't mine. Right. That was theirs. And so, yeah.

But because I broke dude's jaw, my witness. the U.S. attorney said, no, we ain't given nothing. He ain't got shit coming. It's lame, bro. It's lame. But fortunately,

I don't have it on my paperwork. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I tried. Right. You know? Right.

But, I mean, if you're going to say my name at your trial. Yeah, yeah. You know, and give me what a, is that even a superseding indictment? It's a whole new indictment. It would have been. Yeah.

But, That U.S. Attorney down there, they wanted them bad, you know. Do I feel bad about it? Yeah, I do. You know, I wish I hadn't had done it, especially because I didn't get nothing out of it. I was going to say, well, mostly because you didn't get anything. Yeah. I mean, that would have been a good three, four years off your sentence, bro.

Easy. But you probably shouldn't, well, I mean, I don't, I mean, that's, that's your, for you to say. But I mean, probably shouldn't have broke that dude's jaw. I mean, you know, that, that, you know, I couldn't help myself, bro. Yeah. And like, and like someone asked me pretty recently, like, because I was like kind of getting people ready for the, you know, stuff that people hadn't heard. Yeah.

And, you know, because you don't tell everybody you know, you know, everything you're done. And they're like, oh, man, there's no way you felt better after that. I sure the hell did. I felt way better after that. Like, I felt amazing after that. And was it worth those three or four years? I would have told you then, yeah, because I'm a tough guy. Right.

But it wasn't. It wasn't. You know, because those three or four years, a lot happened. Right. You know, a lot, a lot happened. And you probably would have gone to a lower security because you wouldn't have got so much time. And you've got this violence on your. Mm-hmm.

So, yeah, speaking of that, so let's go back to C-Tac. So that happens at C-Tac. Well, yeah, they weren't. weren't like shipping Montana guys, but all the other Montana guys were only there for two or three months. Yeah, it's longer than the norm, but it wasn't 18 months like me. Right. And later I found out what was going on was I kept getting right up shot after shot after shot. And so they kept having to redesignate me. Like I started off. I was going to be at a low.

But because they kept having to redesignate me, my points just got higher and higher. and then because I kept getting right up after right up into where now I'm going to my first spot was a medium high which they call it disciplinary yard

right yeah do they do they call it a medium high I mean I typically just think of like there's like places like Yazoo where they're like oh it's it's a low they're like yeah but it's it's a disciplinary low so there's you walk through metal detectors there yeah it's it's not like the low I was at

yeah it's a you know because which one were you out was it Coleman You go to Coleman, it's a regular kind of a soft-ass low. You go to, they send you to Yazoo, and it's like, people are getting stabbed. People are, they're asking for people paperwork. I mean, it might as well be like a medium or, and a bad medium, not even like the medium I went to. Because the medium I went to, you don't have to be involved in anything. You go get your job.

You can go back to yourself sitting there, read your book. I mean, as long as you're not already affiliated, like if you showed up there and you were or something and everybody knew or you showed up and you were a rival gang like you're going to and they knew you were and it's in your paperwork that you got problems but to me they're like this is just a this guy's just a fraudster and he's teaching GED and you know so you're not affiliated with any gang so they don't care about you being a part of a gang because you're this isn't a street guy we don't even want this guy on our thing because he's not he's going to be useless unless he's going to do unless we're running a ticket and he's going to do the books

Like he's gonna, he's gonna, he's gonna, he's gonna be our accountant. Like, this guy's useless for as far as our purposes are concerned. Yeah. Now, of course, if you were in like a pin or something, like, doesn't matter. You're gonna, you're gonna join something, you know, because. Yeah, even the independence are a gang. Right, because we can't let you be a victim. If you're a white guy, we can't let you be, say, oh, I'm not going to be a part of that.

Because now you, if you become a victim, it makes us look bad. It makes us look bad because we're white guys. And even though you didn't want to be a part of us, Now we can't let these other gangs victimize this white guy. So it's like it puts them in a bad spot. So it's like either we're going to beat your ass or you're going to be a part of our little organization here. So just think, you know. Yeah, I've been a part of that a million times if it's a part of it one time.

Which all seems really stupid out here. That's what I'm saying. In there, it's so serious that it makes sense. And there's no arguing. Like we're not having a discussion about this. No, it's what it is. Right. This is what it is.

You're going to be here tomorrow, working out with us in the morning, or we're going to rush in your cell and beat the crap out of you. Yeah. You know, and this is your own people. You think, oh, it's my own people. Yeah, because you're going to make them look bad when you're being taken advantage of in two weeks or three weeks. Yep.

Almost every time I violated one of my guys, it was because they were making us look weak or bad. All right. It's one of the most serious situations. So you're absolutely right. Absolutely right. That's why we don't let punks. White Punks Walk the Yard. Right.

You can't be a white punk at the USP. Maybe some on the East Coast and some that are hiding. Yeah. There's some hideouts. You know, I've seen it. Right. I've beat them up. But at least they're pretending and trying to pretend, right?

Yeah. They're trying to, yeah. Yeah. It's so stupid. And that's what I mean. It's like in the grand scheme of like, have you ever read Victor Frankl's the meaning of life? No. Oh, dude, you got to read it.

It's this big. It's a tiny little book. Change your life. Okay. I promise. You get text it to me out. I will. Yeah.

I order stuff all the meaning of life. Yeah. I either so funny because I have guys that are locked up that, you know, they'll send me a letter. I'll get a letter and be like, hey, bro, what's going on with you? How's it going? I was wondering if you could order me a book. Can you look up this book? Then, you know, I'll, I got one guy.

I bet you I've ordered him 50 books, an entire series of books that he likes. Yeah. And, you know, it makes me feel good because. I only order like three or four at a time. He's like, if you could order me one or two, and then I'll order like four because that way, I know it gives him a little bit of time. Order him four, and then he'll come back,

hey, man, could you order me another couple? And then I'll order another four. But, and then I'll print out pictures of Jess and I doing stuff together. That's huge. Because I know how huge that is to get photos of your friends or people you were locked up with that they're doing what you're like, oh, man, that's so great. It's huge.

Like I know what that means. And to me, buying a couple books, that's nothing. That's a joke. Yeah. You're absolutely right, man. Yeah. That's awesome.

That's awesome. I do. I help a couple guys, too. Do the same thing because I know. Yeah, listen, this one guy, I would send him money, a buddy of mine, I send him money and everything else. What a mistake that is now. We're best friends.

This guy won't, he got out. He won't leave me alone. He's calling all the time. He's driving me nuts. It's like, bro, we're best friends. They're like, oh, I didn't know. I didn't know this was what was going on. I didn't know we were building this

this lifelong friendship. You're driving me crazy, bro. Yeah. I work to do. Yeah. That's funny. I know. My wife drives my wife nuts.

We'll be at Walmart or something. And these guys just come out of nowhere. Casper, my homie, what's up? I had one guy say they, it was someone I knew from years and years from like with my wife and living before. And he heard my voice at the restore. And he comes like, are you? Sam? I was like, yeah.

He said, do you remember me? And I barely remembered him. Yeah. I was like, yeah, dude, yeah. He gave me a hug. He's like, dude, I knew, because your voice is so remember. He goes, it's like an angel. Dude, my wife looked at me like, and she just, we were talking about that the other day, too. She's just like, okay, see you later, voice of an angel. I was like, what the fuck? It sounds like a girl. I've been telemarketing before.

And it was like, okay, thank you, ma'am, every time when they hang up with me. I'm like, I'm not a man. I don't think you have a female voice, but I was going to say I had this guy, this guy that invited me to this thing and the keys I just went to. And there was like 50, 60 people there. And he was introducing me around. And he watches my podcast. And he, but the way he would introduce me is, hey, this is Matt Cox. Listen, this guy's got an amazing podcast.

Listen, I fall asleep to him every. single night. I was like, after about the third person, he said that, I said, could you not introduce me as he keeps saying? Yeah. Like, it's not, you know, I don't think it's coming off the way you think it's coming off. Yeah.

Just tell him I have a podcast and you listen to it at night. Yeah. He's like, I didn't mean like that. Yeah, I know, but it's crumbing off really, really. Yeah. And, of course, because he says that, people look at me like this. I'm like, stop what you. If you want your melatonin increase, just listen to Matt Cox.

It's not what you think. Yeah. I'm not whispering in his ear at night, you know. Yeah. So that's right. I tried to put on Theo Vaughn last night to go to sleep. I couldn't sleep. I got to sleep like at 3.30.

And I just probably excited, nervous, whatever, you know. And, yeah, I just couldn't do it. I just shut everything off, turn on a fan, just kind of. And just as soon as I fell asleep, alarm. I was like, oh, my gosh. Theo Vaughan's hilarious. Listen, there was a, there was a waiter that looked like Theo Vaughn. He even had his, this was at that place in the Keys.

He even had, it was young kid He was probably 17 But he looked like Theo Vaughan I guaranteed Theo Vaughan Looked just like this kid When he was 17 And he even had the haircut He had the kind of partial mullet

Kind of thing going on And I, and we were talking about it And then we walked by on like the next day And I saw him and I said, hey bro I said, you know you look just like The Ovan He was like get it all the time I get it all the time

Yeah, they know So it wasn't just us Yeah I'm kind of like Known for like matching people With movie stars Just because it's just one like one of my, like, like, carnival tricks or whatever, you know, get your weight, you know. Anyways, where was that, Kobe?

You were in jail. Yeah, yeah, you were in jail and, and, I was always in jail. You, you were in jail, you'd stab the guy. They never charged him. Yeah, never charged him. Never charged you for it. Nothing like that. But now I basically had credibility and then.

Yeah, there we go. Yeah. And then. So, yeah, so my, my points get high. You know, and so that's kind of the reason. And the gang guy now, the SIS gang guy, is like coming to talk to me all the time, you know. Now you're on his radar.

Now I'm on his radar, yeah. You know, there's some other crazy things that happened at CTAC. You know, we had a little riot with the PISA's crazy because there was pool tables in the units in the units where, you know, where we watch TV and stuff. And because it's just like a building, you know, next to the. the airport yeah and uh kind of kind of like uh oklahoma yeah yeah i was at oklahoma for a couple weeks yeah and uh anyway it was right there my right next to me this dude i was watching tv with we're just sitting back got hit with a pole cue right side of the face and then um but there there was a lot of lames there too but you know technically i was a lame but i i was just

better at you know playing the part right you know and uh yeah so anyway so i was on the gang guys radar so now where I'm heading I got this big file you know and I mean it was literally my file was like that and you know everyone else is coming was like that and like into her like

I was in R&D and the dude's like you're bro I can't find your file can't find your file and he it was like exactly like that and he had set something on it like another file folder I was like is that it he's like

holy shit he's like yeah you're going to have to come in stay for a captain's review so i went to the to the shoe everyone else went to the units they sent me to the shoe and they put me on a captain's review and uh what a captain's review have you ever heard a captain's review yeah yeah so they just kind of just investigate come talk to me like are you know is they're going to be good yeah is he going to cause problems on the yard is he going to have any issues with anybody on the yard is yeah because you know i had even at that time i had like maybe 10 or 11 separaties already, you know, Tomos, people I've just smashed or just people who

smashed me, you know. Well, I'm pretty sure that guy, you broke his jaw, had a separatize on you from then. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I always knew, like, when I would be designated, if I was heading somewhere and I didn't get it, you know, because, you know, I kind of request it, you know, case manager or counsel would be like, yeah, yeah, we'll try to get you to bro. You're good, you're good. And I wouldn't happen.

I'd be like, oh, John's probably over there somewhere, you know, telling someone. And so anyway, so finally my day has come. I'm in the shoe and they're like, Yarbara roll it up. I was like, dude, I was like, what? My buddy jumps down. His name was Sparky, little skinhead out of Vancouver, Washington. And he's like, man, man, you're going, you're going. He's just so happy for me, man.

This is just to go into the prison. Yeah, dude. He was happy just to go to prison. Yeah. But this place was all enclosed. You know, we never went outside. And I was there for 18 months. But, man, I had a lot of fun there.

Caught hep C there, though. So that sucked. I'm cured now. There's a cure. Yeah. Yeah. But the fed's paid for it. They're like really good about that.

They want you to live to do your time, I guess. Exactly. They'll keep you alive, Earl, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But to be honest, I was devastated when I first. found out. I thought it was like getting AIDS, you know. Yeah. And I was like, oh man, I'm never going to have sex again. I'm going to die. My labor's going to just shrink up and fall away.

But anyway, so I get, I get to, I get to Oklahoma, you know, everyone's trying to find out where they're going, you know, hey man, can you tell where I'm going? No, no, no, nope, nope, nope. Every once in a while you get an air marshal that might, you know, no, for some reason and like tell you or tell you, like, this is where we're headed, you know, and that's probably where you're going. But, you know, they stop at multiple stops. But anyway, So I go to Oklahoma. I'm only there like two days. You know,

I'm expecting to be there for months because that was my last experience. Yeah. But I'm only there for two days. And we get on the plane, you know, everyone's like going, well,

we're going, I think we're flying east. Where's the sun? You know, everyone on the plane is trying to figure out which direction we're headed. And, uh,

I was like trying to figure it out. And I couldn't guess. Dude, I'm still new. I don't know all the prisons. I don't know, no, there's a prison in Marion or Tara Hut or,

you know, Alan Wood or Hazleton. I don't know where all those prisons are. I never even heard of those prisons. But I was like, man, it looks like we're going towards Canada. I feel like we're going towards Canada. And sure enough, that's where we were headed. We stopped at Tara Hut, and that was my first spot at the medium.

The medium. I thought I was going to the Penn. Where's Tara Hut? Indiana. Indiana. Yeah. Yeah. That's where they came to McVeigh.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm at Tara Hut. And that's, that's what I'm doing the captain's review. Yeah. Yeah, okay. How did I get backwards?

I don't know. Yeah, that's crazy. So, the captain reviews your thing. Yeah, he lets you go. He views my thing. He's cool as a fan. I'm cool as a fan. Like, I'm just happy to be somewhere.

So, he lets me out. They, they give me my bed roll, and they go to M unit. This is an old prison, 1938. It was built. You know, what's the? his name was there, Al Capone was there, you know, Al Capone's wife was in the women's prison. And so I get there, I got my bedroll. I'm like, yeah, man, I'm so happy, man.

I get to this unit, it's M unit, M, doors open, and I look, and all I see is black dudes. I mean, as far as you can see, it's a really long, old, metal, old, crazy. dark you know type prison and uh like super dark you know like especially in this unit right now right i'm like i think he got the wrong unit he's like no man you're up there you know 136 or whatever i think that was it was a cell 136 up there i'm like nah nah you got me in the wrong unit bro i can't be in there first of all i can't live with a black dude he's like oh here you're gonna live with black dude i was like no yeah no i'm not i can't live with black dude i go get my file go get the captain he's like no you're going up there i'm like no he's like your silly's not black

dude i'm like who's my silly you know because i don't want to be some creep you know i'm going through the whole thing yeah yeah i'm trying to you know be tough be cool because these are the rules i have to live by right because i if i go somewhere else and they do oh you live with a gd right no way man and they'll stab me for it yeah something as little as that anyway i look the cop goes hey da Doss comes like, looking over. He's like, like that. This little old man. This little old man.

I was like, all right, man. I'll live with that, dude. So I go up there. Doss is this cool, old bank robber. He's robbed like 135 banks. Can't stop Robin. Gets to the halfway house. Gets to the halfway house.

Rob's a casino just so you can buy a pack of cigarettes. You know what I mean? He just can't stop Robin. Das was good ass dude, man. Super old. Good ass dude. Big old glasses. You know, the cholamination.

or whatever, 2000s. And, and, and just is like, I'm so relieved, bro. I'm like, what? He's like,

I got a white boy. I was like, yeah, I'm a white boy. I'm a white boy. And he's just like, man, I'm so glad.

He's like, he's like, you're cool on top bunk? You want me get up top? I was like, no, man, I'm cool on top. I do,

I do love the top one. Right. And so we hit it off. So I start asking a question, what's it like? is there anything on the table meaning like are the white boys in any shit right now is things about to pop off he's like no he's like what no man this place is cool he's like if you just came from that you know that kind of you're gonna love it here right and I'm like I don't know man

he's like I said well I'm gonna go take a shower man and fly my flag and what that means is like show everyone who I am with my tattoos right so I get dressed put my towel on but I go you're going to catch security for me? He's like, dude, you don't have to do that here. I was like, man, you're going to catch security for me? He's like, oh, yeah, bro. Oh, yeah, bro. So I go to the shower, and I just walk.

And I'm big at this time. I'm like $2.55 with like hardly any body fat. And I just go down to the shower. He's down there. Everyone's just like, this guy. Right. And there's this dude. This guy's going to be a problem.

Yeah, this guy's going to be a problem. We're all trying to do some nice, quiet time. Yeah. But, you know, as soon as I find that out, that's what I'm trying to do yeah i'm not trying to be a problem but i look like i'm a problem right so i walk i'm walking down and there's this this black dude who's got long dreads across the way i'm thinking he's a jamaican i probably just stabbed his boy you know turns out that that wasn't the case but anyway so i go take a shower when i come out the dude's still standing there looking at me and he's like

hey man when you get dressed man come hollering me bro bro you know he's like super cool i'm like i'm like all right so i go down there i get dressed and i'm like to myself i'm like hey who's that fool who's that fool he's that's a he's a gd war member like like a like knows larry hoover you know uh the leader of the gds okay ever heard that name get gangster disciples or just the name yeah gangsters disciples yeah no i thought you meant the the name of the guy you just said oh larry hover yeah i don't know who that he's the one who started oh he's like he's their founder okay like they like on his birthday they all have a plate of food no matter where at in the world they like it's a it's a thing and um he goes yeah that's a board member uh for

the gds and i was like oh great so like i get dressed i know he's not got to fight me because there's always no hands right yeah yeah so going down there's not going to be a problem but it's maybe a horror talk or something yeah yeah yeah so i go down there he's like man have a seat man i was like man i'm good bro man i just got here you know i just trying to get the lay of the land he's like man have a seat man I was like all right man but he was I could tell by his tone he's cool right him and I end up being super close like it's one of my favorite people in the world actually and um so I sit down and I'm like what's up man what's up he's like who you run with and I you know told him my shit and uh he's like all right all right he's like you cool man I was like I'm cool man

he's like no man are you cool I was like yeah man I'm cool he's like yeah man I'm cool he's like all right man he said that was it that was it but i knew what he was saying right he's like are you cool man or do you really hate me right yeah do you really hate me because of my skin color right that's what he was asking me and i was like yeah man i'm cool you know what i want to say is this just all fake dude right you know you know right but you know i can't do that i still got to meet all the white boys in the yard you right but uh him and i talk later you know he realizes man Casper's as cool as a hell, man, that's my dude. He would always tell me, but when I, when I'd owe a ton of money for heroin,

you know, I'd need, you know, 100 books, you know, $500 with the books, you know, he'd be, I'd be like, man, let me get a couple racks of books. He'd be like, all right, he'd send me, throw me $1,000 with the books. That's how cool we end up being. Right. And I'd pay my debt, and then I'd pay him back because he would give me more time. So I go to the yard, you know, first, first wreckyard, go to the yard, meet the white boys.

You know, of course, you know, a couple are leery. you know who's this fool you know but they're just hiding out i already know that you know i i can already feel that they're just you know they don't want to be like yeah like because they don't want to get close to me because they think i'm going to like lift rocks and you know check their paperwork run them on pace or whatever but i didn't do that right but i put off that vibe you know what i mean they think a guy like me who looks like me and who's like presenting themselves as this guy right is going to do that do you know what does that make sense i understand what you're saying And sometimes you look at me and I'm just like, no, no, I'm, I understand.

But at this point, not that you don't, that you're smart, but you present, you're presenting, you're, you, you present one way, but the truth is you just want to do your time and go home. Yeah, man, yeah. But then if, but then the guys, don't find me out, right, you know. But the guys that go around saying that, then they're inviting trouble. Yeah. But if you're like, man, I just don't want any problems. Okay, well, now you're going to have problems because you seem like somebody I can push around. Yeah.

So you're presenting a certain image that. Yeah. So. so what happened so I turned it around yeah no that was that was your

that was your your wedding ring I wasn't that well I thought it was no I was oh okay but I was hitting it like that first and then I was

yeah I'm on that watch so yeah so I go meet the guys everything's cool man there's this dude named Danny he was a bank robber did 25 years

I took a teller hostage or something mistake yeah totally stupid yeah him and his brother better with a note better with a note yeah don't threaten anybody or whatever you get yeah um yeah and uh so uh i i see that danny's like the rooster of the yard you know what i mean there's no white boys have this yard it's not like it's not like that you know there's some gang members here and there you know uh arian circle over here a couple dirty white boys over there. They're like, it's spread out.

But they're all kind of like keeping to themselves. You know, they might get together at Christmas and play football. But everyone's like kind of keeping it. Because we had a whites against blacks football game every Christmas, like in the snow and the mud. It was pretty dope. You know, just a bunch of just tackling the shit out because we could get away with it. Right.

You know, but dudes, dudes we like and know, you know, like GDs and vice lords, you know, against the, you know, the skins and the dirty white boys or whatever, you know. It was just, it was our Christmas, we did every Christmas. Right. I loved it. And, uh, but anyway, so I see this dude, and I can tell, man, this, he's dude. He's cool. Um, he's like the, you can tell everyone, like, kind of respects him.

So I want to meet him, you know? So, uh, so I go, but I can tell, this isn't one of those yards, but they all surround you, like, hey, where are you from? When you get to get your paper? Where are you going to do this? It was like, it was kind of like every man for themselves. So anyway, so, um, I want to meet this dude because he, he seems cool. So I meet him and we hit it off right off the bat, like right off the back.

To this day, he just got out like seven months ago. And, no, maybe it was like a year now. But anyway, yeah, I'm sorry, I was just thinking about him for a second. Yeah, so I meet him and we just become best friends. Right. And so I'm doing tattoos. I'm doing this and that. I do just by proxy

kind of like take that yard which is crazy and it wasn't it was just because I was always speaking for the white boys do you know what I mean? Right. Because I could talk to these dudes you know because and I didn't escalate things ever

you know what I mean? I was a de-escalator if anything so one time there was a huge problem where a white boy took some boiling we called it napalm, boiling water, uh, baby oil, all the, all the things boil it, throw it in someone's face. Right.

Right. And, um, you call it napal because the oil will stay, you, the stay. Anyway. Yeah. It'll, it'll do some serious damage. Serious damage. Pealed this, this, uh, GD's face like almost off. Like, you know, like it's, I seen Larry.

It was just white. Right. Just burnt white. And, um, the, uh, it was a big thing. we got locked down. We were locked down for a long time. When they were going to, politicking to come back,

to come out, there was a knock on the door, you know, on the cell door. We have like these weird cell doors that had just like these little windows like that. And this knock on the door, well,

I'm making hooch. You know, I'm straining my wine. Right. And a cop opens the door. And I just look, hey, what's up in? He's like,

hey, the warden wants you. Oh, my God, what? It's, you know, I don't, I don't know if people out there understand, like, these wardens, like, they, they are, they have, they're important, I guess you can say. Like, yeah, you can see the warden on Wednesday, you know, standing at the child hall, you know, whether when you, if you want to ask the one questions, but you're just not going to. Yeah, mainline. And, uh, would they do it like once a week or something? Yeah, they're supposed to. Yeah, they're supposed to.

Yeah, they're supposed to. You're funny. They don't. They do. They don't. So anyway, the warden wants to see me. I'm like, okay, what the hell? So they bring me down there.

And as I'm going down there, my case manager is going to walk me the rest of the way because he wants to talk to me. He's like, well, you got what you were looking for. He's like, well, you're now the shot caller for the yard. Did the warden just appoint me? Yeah. Because you guys didn't have a conversation. Yeah, let me back up. Me and my case manager, we're here.

Right. He knows who I am. You know what I mean? Like I've had one on one to ones with him where I've told him like, no, man, I'm just a systems engineer. Right. Discover, he lost his wife and discovered dope. Right. And he knows all that.

So he's like, well, got what you were looking for. I was looking for that shit. Why, he's like, because all those other gang leaders, the GDs, the vice lords, the Latin kings, the, what's the other? folks one because a lot of gangs run under the pitchfork anyway all the other pitchfork gangs that are under Larry Hoover and the GDs they're all asking for you

I'm like okay what do they want for me they go well it's the white boy that threw the shit on that dude I was like well he wasn't in my car right you know my car he's like no this yard is your car I was like great so I go down there I'm like what's up guys

they're like, old boy can't come out. I'm like, cool. Absolutely, he can't come out. What? So you guys can't come out? Right. Yeah, he can't come out. Absolutely.

What are we here for? He's like, was there going to be any problems with his people? Well, actually, there was going to be problems. He runs with the Tennessee car. And they're like the only like state car that just hates all the gang stuff and hates this. And for real, that black dudes had that coming. right he had a coming so because he was punking him kept ass playing him uh uh you know what i mean yeah yeah he was trying to he was trying to f him yeah and that's what he was doing and uh and somebody

lit a fire on him you know it had a gas can you got to do something you got to do something you got do something anyway okay so um so that's what happened and so now i'm thinking these dudes do have a problem with it but yeah he can't come out but neither can old boy you know right but they're like no no he can come out I was like well there's gonna be a problem with that

his car isn't gonna isn't gonna they'll try to kill the dude because the dude is trying to F him right and they're like wow you know you know and it was OG Ed too was down there and he's like

man how many times if I looked out for you I was like Ed you can't you can't do that to me right now This ain't me. This is them. He's like, yeah, but you, you're over them. I'm like, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. Yeah, I can go talk to him and say, like, man, you're going to have to do this.

I'm only over my little group, you know. And he's like, well, there's going to be problems. There's going to be problems. So they lock us back down for a long time. Like, I don't know, like three more weeks. Will the warden let you go talk to these guys in there go door to door? I end up having to do that. Okay.

Yep. And so there was this dude named Curly. He was with the old boy that shot Martin Luther King. Anyway, that's not important. But now it's bug me. I can't remember his name. It was just his birthday or he just died or something. James Earl Ray.

James Earl Ray. Yeah. With him and this dude and James Earl Ray were like best friends. Oh, my God. Did you ever heard this story? Oh, my God. Can I tell you a story real quick? Yeah.

I'm sorry. I'm tired of talking. Listen, I got... Not really, yeah. What's I going to say? Do you have to be somewhere? No, no, but I have something at one. So, but we got like an hour.

So, but real quick. So... I got like two hours left. So, so, you know, the white guys during a Martin Luther King Day, right? Are going around saying, happy James Earl Ray Day, right, to each other, right? Now, I, there was a white, there was a white guy named, oh, God, what was his name? Hold on. DeGeron. They called him DeGeronimo, right? And he was one of the pretendians. You know how the pretendians guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not really indie. DeGeronimo is actually, is actually Italian. Yeah. But they heard Geronimo. So they think DeGeronoma, they think he's Indian. But anyway, he was all bullshit. But he was a tattoo artist, right? And so. So he comes up to me and he said he made some crack about, you know, hey, happy Martin Luther King's Day.

And I said, no, and I go, oh, I said, you mean, I said, because he's one of the white guys and they're all, they're all connected. They kind of use the, they kind of use the pretendian, the Indian, being all Indians, it's like a little white club, right? Or they use the whole, where they call it the other thing, they, the religious. The Thor thing. What is it? The Odinus, yeah. This odinism, it's kind of like a, it's, they've got it as a religion, but it's really kind of like a little white gang. They kind of use it that way.

Yeah. So he said something to me and I said, oh, you mean a, um, uh, uh, at James Earl Ray Day? And he goes like this. He was, what do you mean? I said, it's, I said, yeah, yeah. I said, you know, it's James Royal Ray Day like that. And he goes. And he goes, what do you mean?

I said, oh, I said, you didn't know that? I said, yeah. I said, Martin Luther King. His real name wasn't Martin Luther King. His real name was James Earl Ray. He changed it to Martin Luther King after the real Martin Luther who started the Lutheran church. I said, he was Luther. And I said, he took the name, Martin, his first name was Martin.

I said, Martin Luther King. I said, but his real name was James Earl Ray. I said, so if like you really know what's going on, I said, you say, like, James Earl Ray Day. And he goes, he said, James Earl Ray. James Earl. He said, okay, I didn't know that. I said, oh, yeah. I said, yeah, like, you know, I said like, dude, you just said this too, bro.

Oh, my God. I said, like, um, it was, uh, I said, like Marilyn and Roe's name wasn't Marilyn Monroe. And he's like, yeah, yeah, no, it was, um, oh, shoot, what's her name? Her real name was, uh, anyway, he, he said, he knew her real name. I was like, you're right. So he goes, uh, Nicole Smith? No, that, no, Anna Nicole Smith's, uh, changed her name to, uh, Norma Jean. Norma Jean was, was, Norma Jean, was her real, was.

Norma Jean was her real name, right, Morton, whatever. So anyway, so I tell him, you know, James Earl Wright. He leaves. I don't think anything of it. He comes up to me later, furious. Because, so keep in mind, most of the correctional officers, it, you know, are, huh? Ossifers. Did I say what I said?

Officers. Most of the CEOs are black. So he goes to wreck because he's going to paint. And he sees the main guard is named. His actual name was Fed. You know, well, you know, they have a little thing, their last name, Fed. And it's funny because his son went to work there. And his son's name was, well, he also fed.

Like, he's like, you know, there's another guy. He's like, yeah, it's my dad. Anyway, so there's a black woman that works there, CEO, and Fed, which is also a CEO. And he sees them and he walks up to them. And he says, hey. happy James Royal Ray Day and they went and they look and said they go what he was yeah James Royal Ray and he was happy James Earl Ray day and they went he is you know who James Earl Ray is right and they go yeah yeah yeah yeah we do yeah we sure do and he goes yeah yeah and he said yeah he's

yeah Martin Luther King and they go what and he said yeah Martin Luther King's name real name was James Earl so he has this discussion with him they're like no and they tell him yeah that was the guy that shot Martin Luther King and he's Cox yeah yeah

so they hear my name because they know who I am too and they go is that what he told you and so they start laughing they're like damn they said

listen if you hadn't said you're about to have some problems like yeah he's like I'm sorry I thought oh damn it yeah so then of course he sees me hours later

and I'm walking whatever he's like Cox yeah I'm like I'm like I said what happened Like, I knew something's going to happen.

Yeah. You know what I just did? You're lucky they didn't throw me in the shoe. Yeah. This is that a low? Yeah. No, no, this was at the medium. Oh, okay.

I don't think this guy ever even made it to the, ever made it to a little. Coleman. Oh, yeah, the Coleman has two pins. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there were two pins. I know. Yeah.

Like, you know, to go from the medium. Yeah. To the low, they put you in a little, they put you in a little van and they drive you. like across the parking lot it's like couldn't we like it took more time to load up in the van than it would have to walk across the parking lot we do it they shackled me they had shotguns it's like I'm going at the low yeah fellas yeah please so anyway I'm sorry so you were saying so you so what what happened you you eventually you know that they three more ways they lock you guys up yeah three more ways they lock us up um I go talk to the guy so the dude who was friends with James O'Ray in Tennessee um He was like, no, no, no, no. My guy's coming out. That dude's, that dude's guy. I'm like, dude, it's impossible for him to come up.

Are you going to, like, protect him every day? And he realizes eventually, though. But he, you know, he's stubborn. He wants to stand on it, you know? He's hell of racist. He's racist. So we're all going to spend the rest of his time in locked up? Yeah.

Yeah. And he's like, well, I don't even know why they're talking to you. I got this. I got this. I was like, I don't know why they're talking to me either, bro. Right. you know you guys you guys uh want me for all this other stuff but then now you you don't want me it's fine i don't want to be wanted yeah but because i got some kind of you think i have some

kind of jetti mind control every yeah because they used to say that don't man don't talk kathio jenni mind control you you know and did doing something you don't want to do or you know or to like you want to go someone but he'll talk to you and next thing you know you don't um i go but i don't man i just try to talk sense cooler heads prevail right Always, always. I wish I could remember that in my day-to-day life now. But I don't, dude. I don't.

I was just road rage on the way here. And I was excited to come here. And now I was just angry. But, yeah. So anyway, it ends up. Neither one of them can come out. Okay. We'll just fast forward.

I mean, there really nothing else happened. It would just talk, talk. The captain said, neither one of them coming out. So when they say neither one of them coming out, they're going to say, they're not saying there are something. They're going to ship them both, right? Yeah, yeah. Because they're trying to keep, I'm shocked they're trying to keep the one guy on the, on the yard at all.

Right. You know, you would think they would have immediately, because at Coleman, if there were two guys that got into a fight, like, I'm shipping. Well, you're going to sit in the shoe for, used to be six or nine months. They did something happen at some point. It was like, okay, three months. Like he'll be. I've always set six or nine. Right.

But that was, you know, when did you, I got out five years ago? And like I said, it was. initially, it was always like six, nine months that you were going to sit in the shoe, and then we're going to ship you. But then something happened where they stopped giving as long of shoe time. This is only a few years before I got out. They started saying, okay, well, we can't keep these guys, you know, I don't know who it was, Amnesty International.

I don't know who came in and said, look, what are you doing? You got people that are doing three years in the shoe. What do you do? You can't do that. These guys are psychotic by the time they get out. So then it started being like, it started with before they give you 90 days. Then they started giving in like two weeks. It dropped like, you know, a month.

It would have been 90 days to six months. It was like a month. So it used to be if you got into a, two guys got into a fight, you're both going to the shoe. And you're both. And maybe one guy might come back if the other guy is basically says, listen, I attacked him. Let him stay here. Yeah. It's so funny, too.

Colby, sorry. It's so funny too because you will have guys that will be like mortal. enemies and then they'll have a fight and then they'll get there and they'll get in front of like SIS and suddenly they're like he's not even a bad guy I don't know why I did that

I'm like as soon as it's over they're like his fuck don't don't don't it's my fault don't even ship him yeah like his parents live here they come see him every couple weeks I know he's got a kid here I don't know what I was thinking but these guys get bipolar and they can't get out of their head and then they have

the fight and then it's like it's released and they get a lot suddenly they become reasonable again and they start realizing like what did I do yeah that's exactly it right I like that guy actually because that's what it is it's like a bipolar not seeing everyone's bipolar but it is it's the they get it out pluck them out of the environment let them go down for 10 days that's why I think SIS takes 10 days to come see you as you know you're always like to fuck all that's maybe that's a week yeah you like to think well they're just very busy. No, I think they're waiting for you to calm down and be sick of being in that cell. And so by the time they get to you, they're like, okay, what happened?

Because for the first 48 hours, you're going to lie to them, you know? But after a week or two, you're just like, you're just like, you're true, man. The guy pissed me off. I got into a fight. I attacked him. Or, you know, or the reverse, you know, I said something to him. The guy attacked me. I should have said it.

It was stupid. I don't know what I was thinking, you know. They picked up a lot while you're in there. For somebody who stayed out of trouble. Yeah, because, I mean, I said, you know, I said. That whole dynamic, all of that is exactly what it is. It's not that I was involved in much, but I would watch it. You would see the guy.

Same, yeah. Like I've seen the warden take a guy from one cell down over here to another cell. You know, and then they go to, or they'll pull the guy out and bring him into a room where you know the warden is because he didn't, you could see him come in the place and go in the room. And now they're pulling four guys out of different cells to go talk to him. And he walked in there with another guy that you know, the shot collar and you're like, damn, they're pulling people,

like they're trying to make sure it's okay that these guys all leave. And I wasn't even in that kind of prison. That was just, that was the medium because most I think we ever got locked down one time. And you know what? Even that time, nothing happened at the medium.

Yeah. Something happened at the pin. Yeah, something would happen at the pen. At the deuce or the one? Because I think you got her closer to the deuce. It was the bad one, whichever the one.

The deuce. Okay. Yeah. I mean, we literally were on the yard and you could hear. The explosions. Yeah. Well, you first, they yell at them all.

First is the, woo. Then you hear them yell. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. Yeah. And then, you know, when they don't get on the ground, when you start hearing the, it's like, it's not even shotguns.

Like, they're throwing grenades or something. And when you're next to one, when you're like in a, even in a building, because all the time I'd be tattooing and it'd be like, boom. Yeah. I was going to say, I can't imagine because you would be in the rec yard. and hear it, this is, this, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is way across the, the, the, the, the, pow, and you walking in the yard and the wreck in completely different prison would go, would be like, holy Jesus. It's a rumble. It's a rumble. What was it like next to it? And they'll drop two or three.

Yeah, yeah. This was one time that some, so some, so some, some, some, a bunch of people got stabbed. Somebody, they, they, they had helicopters come in, pick people up and take them, or inmates and a correctional officer and they locked us down for like three weeks like we're locked it we're not even in the prison you've nothing to do with it but they want to make sure that nothing pops off at the medium yep and so they're walking around asking you know the warden and the shot callers were asking questions like look is there going to be an issue i don't even know whatever it happened what i do know is there was an article that came out and in the article this is super, super funny, because the article came out, and in the article, it said that there was a riot at the Coleman complex and that like six inmates were injured, two staff officers were injured.

One inmate was shot with a shotgun. And they said the Coleman complex holds such notorious criminals as Conrad Black and Matthew Cox. We are unsure which part of the prison of the facility, Mr. Cox was, or Cox and Black were in during the riot. So if you read it, it makes it sound like I was in the yard with two shanks. Yeah. You're like, I'm in another prison. Yeah. Like I'm, but it makes it sound like I could have been there during the riot.

Like, you know, you read it and guys are like, bro, this makes, it sounds like you were in the riot. I was like, I got to keep that article. Yeah. I'm a gangster. But could you imagine, like, if, like, in your heart of hearts, you were, like, a true, like, personality con man and you went back to prison, you had that article. Dude, you take the dark. What do you mean? I had, like, ten people that day.

What are you talking about? Yeah. By the way, it's five of those six guys that got hurt. They died. Yeah. Because of me. So anyway, dude, I have, like, three more prisons to get to. Oh, what are you doing?

Yeah. Well, I mean I'm sorry, okay No, I mean, this is cool, it's fun I can fast forward Like I can do, man, there's some cool Yeah, but anyway I'm sorry, go ahead, I'll stop talking

No, no, no, I enjoy it I came here to bullshit You know, but anyway So, so we came out Anyways, and And those guys got shipped So anyway, so we're just doing our thing in the yard i'll just get to the part where i leave um because we got like 30 minutes i know i

saw i stopped to get to black canyon phoenix um usp pollock that was crazy um with with uh jean goddy was there um we just played pinnuckle with him the and then i and then to hazleton where it really got crazy i almost got killed and then uh to the deuce okay I got to the deuce. So, yeah, no, we're good. Yeah. What's the deuce? That Coleman, too.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. So met Tara Hut still. Terror Hut was cool, man. There was never any, like, riots. There was a couple of times we all had to go out to the yard and stand in each corner of the yard. And, you know, they got their knife. We got our knives.

Really, the biggest thing that ever happened there was my exit. Some big things happened after me. But I'm like, while I was there. Right. um was my exit so um the the the leader of the of the um latin kings do name sammy king sammy um super cool though he was always good to me like when i was uh dope sick he would always get me well you know um i say it's good to me you know someone else in the outside looking in and maybe even yourself and anyone else would be like well no that's not being good to you he's feeding you a drug right but

I'm sick and I have to be able to be up. You know, I can't sleep. There was no sleeping, taking naps during the day, at least with our car. You know, if you get caught taking a nap, you need a violation just because you just have to be ready at all times. That, you know, and I thought that was hardcore there. You know, when I got to the pen, it was a whole other, you know, stand at the door, suited, booted knife. You know, I go to counseling for it now and I never thought it was an issue until I started counseling for other stuff. But anyway, so he asked me, he's like, hey, I need a favor.

I need to get one of my guys into your unit. He's super cool. You get along with him. I was like, man, I have really another. He's like, he's white. He's a white Latin king. I'm like, we call him Big Mike. Oh, yeah, I know who Big Mike is.

He gets drunk a lot and like, like tries to fight everybody. He's at, yeah, but he can't drink anymore. Or else he's going to get killed. I'm like, all right. I'll take him so they move him in and like right away he starts drinking you know high drinking you know and um he's like man you can't tell him like my eye we're at but you can't drink you know and i'm not going to lie for you right sammy asked me directly if you're drinking i'm going to him i'm going to go run to him and tell him that you're drinking but do you can't handle it

right he's like oh man i can handle i can handle it first couple of times he's he's he's he's not a couple of times he was good he was handling it and that one time he was in another cell and they were you know straining the wine and they were all just getting the bottles right right away and drinking him as they were straining it so they didn't have to hide it and carry it around and he got super drunk and tried to fight the dude that was straining it and uh i had to go over there mike my mike get over here and this dude was big he was like big mike like and i don't know if he could fight or not but if he threw his weight around he you know he could just mow you over you're not going to you know like do anything to him he's that big yeah but not mostly big

anyway um one night we were in i was straining my wine i always had five gallons under the bed and you know if if i was pulling a batch one batch was was brewing and because they let us drink there the the uh the captains the war everyone let us drink as long as we kept it cool in the yard and that was another thing why everyone tried to keep it cool because everybody drank right like i i've been to the main line before with a bottle in my pocket, my shirt unbuttoned, because you know you have to be buttoned and tucked in. Right. My shirt unbuttoned, the tank top, drunk as hell, walking through the line going, hey, it acts

like I'm running for governor, you know, shaking everyone's hand at the tables because the line to get to get the chow is like everyone's tables. You know, all the gangs, whites, blacks, you know, Mexicans. I'm like, hey, Pedro, what's up, man? They're like, oh, Casper, you're drunk as fuck. I was like, yeah, man, I'm in my shower shoes at Mainline. Okay. shaking everyone's hand.

Anyway, I hear it. Yarbrow, I'm like, why, I turn around out. He's like, he was the warden. I was like, what's up, man? He's like, get back to your unit. Get back to your unit. It's like, yeah, bro, get back to your unit. Captain's like, grabs me.

Him and another cop take me the unit. He's like, what the fuck you're thinking, dude? You're putting me on blast now. And I was. Right. You know what I mean? Because that makes, you know, the captain look bad. Yeah.

He's not got control over it. So anyways, they walk him back to you. You're staying yourself for the rest of the day. So I did. And then, real quick, let me tell this story before we get to the next prison. There was one time I was kind of like bulldoging this dude for his pills for Oxycontents. And the case manager didn't like him. So the case manager was like, yeah, take him for everything.

The case manager just telling me that because the dude's mom was calling senators about the way he was being treated at the prison. Right. So he was creating a problem for them. So the case manager was like, no, hey, take care of this dude, you know. They wanted me to smash him. And I was like, no, no, no, I'm just going to take his shoes. He's like, yeah, take him, take his pills. So I was down there doing that.

Well, his cellie was like, no, I'm getting these pills. And he was this little old man. And I was like, no, these are my pills, fool. This is my unit, my yard, my pills. And he's like, not this time. Man, it's this time. So I took the pills out of his hand and went back up to the cell. And I said, you know what?

But before I went back to society, I said, you know what? You got to go, bro. Both of you. You're gone. Pack your shit. And they're just like, I'm not going anywhere. I was like, when I come back from Chow, you better be gone, dude.

So I go to Chow. It's Chowley Dog Day. I remember it like it was yesterday. I'm down there. I'm happy. It's chilly dogs. You know, I'm like, yeah. I'm eating it.

I'm talking to everybody and tell them about what just happened. And I feel a tap on my. shoulder and I just feel hot water in my face and then I feel like this the lightest punch in the world it was like like bro I get up and I'm just like and I just beat the brakes off the old man I had to beat up the old man dude everyone's like yeah you beat up the old man I was like he threw hot water in my face right but anyway I see all the bitch comes out of me right when he throws the water on my face not in front of everybody but when I get to medical. I was like, is my face

melting? Because the dude just had his face melted off. Right. I was like, do I still look okay? I mean, I know I'm ugly, but do I still look okay? And the nurse, she's like, she starts laughing. He's like, bro, you're fine. You're barely burned. You're like, it's just

like a little red. Are you really? Okay. Okay. I'm just like so worried. He just like took water out of the 190 or the 180 spout. You know what I mean? And like threw it on me and like tried to punch me. But he did what he was supposed to do. I didn't smash him off the yard.

If you tell me to go, I'm not going to go. I'm going to fight. And so the old man had tons of heart in my eyes for doing that. Does that make sense? Yeah. So he's like, I was like, man, I was proud of him for real. But he had to go. End up.

So when I come back out, of course everyone's giving me shit. Oh, yeah, you kicked the shit out of that, dude, bro. You guys 80 years old. Yeah, and I was like, man, you're trying to fight, you know? And so, yeah. Yeah, dude, it was crazy. It was crazy. Yeah, not good, though.

Yeah, even the warden, the warden tried to tell me he had a heart attack and died. But the captain was behind him going, no, he did. He's fine. He's in the shoe. He's in the shoe, bro. Yeah. But, you know, when I went to the shoe, I walked to tank a cage with. with him and I just told man you did what you're supposed to man I apologize right I was just

in some junkie shit you know but I told him about his sally being a piece of shit his mom calling and everything but you know I shouldn't have been on the cop side with that anyway but I wanted the pills I'm an addict right I mean so anyway real quick one other quick story about there before we get to the next before I finish the mic story one time I was going to get my eyebrows tattooed I was going to get I was going to get drug drug for Tattooed aloud for eyebrows And so I had I drew him out I did a stencil

You know I had stencil paper I did the stencil and it was just like blue And my buddy Danny You know my best friend He comes mobbing into the tank To give me something I can't remember what it was He's like what the hell are you doing

Yeah I was like man I'm gonna get drug free on there I had it backwards So when I looked in the mirror I could read it Oh my God Yeah And obviously I didn't get it Danny's like the fuck you are

You're not getting shit dude Dude, that's going to be gay. You're going to be stupid. Right. Don't get those stupid tattoos. I was like, really? Is it dumb? Because I had just kicked.

You know, I just got, was sick for a couple days and made it, you know? So I was sober. And I was like, I'm never going to do that again. I'm going to remind myself every day with drug free on my eyebrows. Idiot. Straight, tarred life. Right. Do you know what I mean?

That really should be in the title. Like. And get our life on the thumbnail, maybe. Yeah, yeah. My hand's going like, anyway. Yeah, so, but that's not the funny part. So, like, they call Chow dinner. And so, like, I try to wash them off.

But, like, I have, like, you know, I shaved my eyebrows to do it. And so, like, now I have these smears of, like, purple on my eyebrows and we go to Chow. I'm not thinking anything of it. It's like your eyeliner's running. Yeah. We get to chow. We get to chow and there's like a white supremacist table. And like we're all sitting down there at the front.

And I'm sitting there eating talking to everybody. And Danny's like, kitty corner from me. And I'm talking this fool. I'm like, yeah, man, make sure you get that tonight. Hey, meet me at the library and bring the stamps and the copycards. Stuff like that. You know, it's talking. And we get up to go and Danny Walker taxes up with me.

He's like, bro. He's like, you're an idiot, dude. I was like, what? He's like, you got these fools. so scared to you that you just went down to the chow hall with purple eyebrows right and not one of those fools said hey man what's up with your eyebrows hey dude what the hell's going off your eyebrows not one of them said anything so you're just an idiot you know what i mean so i was like damn that is crazy because i would say something like yeah what's what do you do with your eyebrows but

anyway so anyway back to big mike big mike gets drunk in the in the in the cell it's We're locked down for the night, but ourselves, if you put a AA battery in the door, you could pop them open at night and go to, like, other cells and hang out, do whatever, and the cop didn't really care. This is after lockdown account. Well, we would always do that. Big Mike was getting drunk, and the guy who cleaned the night orderly or poor, or whatever we called him, Swamper or whatever, he told dude, like, hey, keep it down, man,

that cop's going to, you, I'm doing something. He was doing some kind of move. Mike's like, what do you punk and just starts yelling at this dude? Now, this dude's got life, and he's a big dude. And he's like the coolest, nicest guy in the world. He's one of those black dudes that are just like, it doesn't have to be even color. It's just one of those people that would give the shirt off his back. Right.

You know what I mean? He was just asking him politely to keep it down. He wasn't being a jerk. Yeah, he's trying to protect him. well anyway dude's like yeah yeah yeah well dude gets pissed and he goes to open our door because he knows we used to keep it open

but Mike had locked it and I was like oh bitch dude and then so they get in a screaming match to the door and he's like no no no no that's all right the only thing that's saving you right now is this door we don't have to talk no more so now when we come out it's

it's ding ding right Mike just gets louder and louder and drunker and drunker and drunkers starts drinking my wine he drank a gallon of good wine it's like really good good like that beet wine made out of beats it's like the best wine you can make two pounds of sugar on every pound every gallon and uh so he's louder and louder of course eventually the cop comes up the cop gives him a warning dude my whole room this got spilt wine him drunk and the cop gives him morning hey hey shut it down are you you're now you're front me off go to bed and

Mike's like, you know, I ain't doing shit. He's basically checking in. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's checking in. He's telling that cop, I'll fight you, you know, all this shit. Cop locks him up.

When he packs his shit, I'm like, well, I'm keeping those shoes because he owes me money for this wine. Right. Right. So they pack his shit. And he's checked in. He's not coming back out. Dude's back there for like nine months.

And Sammy, like in the middle of that said, hey, man. Did you grab Mike's Nike's or whatever they were? And I said, no. Right. It was the single most biggest prison mistake I ever made. Even afterwards, all the dumb shit I did and stupid shit I did, lying to that man was the worst thing I ever did. Because for real, there's nothing worse than a liar and there's nothing worse than a jailhouse thief. Right.

You know what I mean? Not that I stole it. I don't think I was a jailhouse thief. You felt, you felt obligated, or not obligated, but you felt justified in taking it. He owed me money. And I should have said that. I don't know why I didn't say that. I just was like, no.

Right. And he was like, you sure? I was like, nope. He's like, all right, man, cool. Took off. Now they think someone in R&D or whoever, you know, wherever the property guy at the shoe, you know, who handles the property thinks they stole it, whatever. So they're going to go hand him up.

Or he asked me, did I pack them? Right. And I said, yeah. So now the only place they could be is in the property of the shoot. Lo and behold, the guy who I sold him to is still in the yard, this little Mexican guy. And now somebody sees him. And OG Ed, the black dude who pulled me in my first day. He called me in.

And this dude, you know, he's giving me books. He helped me out. You know what I mean? We were solid and cool. And he pulled me and he's like, man. you sure you didn't take those shoes man you're cool you know we're good and i said no again right that was my that was my whatever it is you know like my i can't be there no more you know and um so anyway so they find the shoes i'm trying to think of a good word for what that was like not my

not my whatever you know it's just like i just signed my not death warrant but just my yeah my privilege Right. My tarot privileges, I just lost them all. Yeah, they got yanked. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so anyway, they're investigating it kind of, but they see dude with the shoes. They, they get the shoes.

And of course, he was like, I bought him from Casper, you know. Right. Yeah. Which they already thought was possible. But yeah. Yeah. The reason why they have asked me like three times wanted to, like, give me an out, you know, and I know that's what Ed was doing.

Just tell me, you know, we're good. Yeah. You know, and I'll smooth it over. What he said. went and uh yeah so they so they find out they they go politic with my guys without me like at the at the gym yeah so my guys come back out and they say hey next move let's go out we're going out to the yard i said am i good and was like yeah yeah you're good now you've heard of rocking them to sleep right hey bro like i like i've seen your paperwork but you're just like

hey man come out to the yard brother yeah yeah you know just we rocked him to sleep. Watch what I thought what was happening. They were rocking me to sleep, but I'm going to go out this one time, right? Because it was Danny is my best friend.

Right. He would tell me, man, we got to smash you. Yeah, you would think he would tell you. Yeah, I would think he would tell me. So what was happening? That wasn't the case. They just wanted me to get a violation

in front of everybody, just body shots. Because I told him he owed me money. Yeah. But my violations, I lied. Right. Yeah. I wasn't lying about the,

he owed me money. Right. And that was good for them. Why didn't you say that? I don't know. And now I kind of look like a bitch. You know what I mean? You're saying it.

But whatever. So I'm like, I don't want to take body shots. Right. You know how many times I've given people body shots a lot. Right. You know? And there's this dude, T.C. Corbyn. He's like, man, I'm going to dig in on you, bro, for all the time you got me, bro.

You know, and he's got big hands. Dude, they're like this, bro. big hands he's a little stocky dude uh t c corbin man it's a good ass dude good ass dude he's like i'm digging on you and i was like what i'm gonna do you he said i owe you i was like damn but you know we're all laughing about yeah i'm pretending not to be scared you know yeah man yeah because i can't fight back all right i know i can beat up dude but i can't fight back in my violation right i just got to like take it I don't want to take it

right so we're like setting a time and place and I don't show up to the first one you know oh dude man do call me down to the other unit I had to go down and pick up my e

I totally forgot about it I don't show up to the second one I think you forgot about it was that today yeah yeah was that today um they forgot about it but like a lot of stuff

had happened you know over my time there I was there for a few years a lot of stuff it happened. I was tired. I didn't want to be involved anymore. You know where I'm heading with this. Yeah. You chipped in. I'm laughing, dude. You should be funny. Excuse me, Lieutenant. Can I talk to you real quick? Hey, this shit ain't funny, man. Yeah. Yeah. So I, uh, feeling in here anymore. Yeah.

Can I get, can I get a plane ticket? Um, I didn't want to. You know what I mean? Right. But so like, I had this, I had this big knife. And I was like, man, I'm just going to give him this knife you know and i told one of my guys i was like man i don't want body shots dude i'm just i'm tired of being here and dude's like yeah i understand bro and that was like my pass he didn't this dude was nobody you know yeah but i but i told him you know he's like dude i would do the same thing dude why were you yeah you've been here a long time we've been through all this shit you were you were you were using you're sober you're using and i was sober at this time not from alcohol but from you know the bad shit and uh sure enough man we woke up in the morning and i i was

supposed to meet them at the thing and I was like I was like man man I got this knife to the cop and the cop's like oh all right cool thanks man like sits it on the desk no no no no that's not what we're going for yeah no no I'm getting busted with this knife and it was like it was like I broke his heart because you know I'm cool with all of them right and I've been there a long time and you know we're all buddies really he thought you were better than the pen. Yeah. He thought,

you're better than that. He thought I was better than that. And I don't want to start crying right now, dude. No. I'm just kidding. Listen, I had a buddy who went into, this is the medium. He had been to, he did like 10 years in the pen. And he went to the medium one day.

And he goes, there's counselor. He goes, can I talk to you? And she's like, and I'm sorry, I was a guy counselor. He goes, he is, yeah, this is a big guy. Mm-hmm. I mean, six plus. yeah and big black guy and he goes in to talk to the counselor and he goes hey man can i talk to you for him he said hey what's up he said i need you to uh i need to call somebody and he goes who's that

he said he said he said u.s attorney and he gives him the phone number and he goes he's like and he goes really and he said okay he is and does he know you're calling he said yeah you knows i'm calling i got a letter yesterday and here's the letter he showed it and he's like okay so he calls the u.s attorney somehow or another was arranged like that where he actually made the call and he's on the phone talking about how he had gotten information from a guy on the street and it wasn't his US attorney it was not actually I think it was his US attorney gotten the call from somebody on the street blah blah to talk to the guy or you know got some information giving it to him and he's trying to get somebody on the street busted so he can get a

rule 35 and get his time and he sits it and he uh he hangs up the phone he said and he was telling me he's telling me and my buddy he's telling me and Zach my buddy Zach this yeah yeah that this is what he had done and uh he said and we were walking at the yard and he said the counselor or whatever his name was he was he looked at me and went like just shook his head and he goes what he is you thought i was a soldier he's got out of here yeah he's just like out of here bo he said i want to go home and he goes he said just go yeah we were laughing so hard you did not tell me what you thought of a soldier that's that i did that's gangster for real he's like he's like he's like bro he said i've never felt so bad in my life he said just the

counselor looking at me look at the way he looked at me like he's like you don't you go home like yeah i wish i could i wish i had enough snap at that time to come off with something like that but instead i was like i was like my feelings were hurt you know like or i you know it's just one of those things. Later, when I was on probation, I had to tell my PO I had relapsed, and I could see, because she was like, hey, how's it going? She was doing a house check. I told her, and, like, her whole face just went. And I was like, oh, man. Listen, the federal, um, the, listen, I had one federal PO who most of the time I felt like she wanted to violate me, you know, but most of them don't. But the other ones don't. They want

to see you do good. As a matter of fact, when, when I, That's why they give you three chances and then go to the judge. Yeah, well, I, when I, this one PO, when I told her that I was, wanted to date my wife, and we had to have our PO, we'd call our PO, they had to call, yeah, we had to call. And I remember when she said, okay, I was like, I was like, man, I was, I was worried, a little bit worried there. And she said, she said, Matt, she said, what do you think I want you to be alone? Yeah. She said, I want to see you do well.

I want to see you find somebody. She's, I want to see you, you know, she said, I know you don't think that. Yeah. Because she was a bitch. Yeah. But she's like, but I want to see you do well. And a lot of stuff was like she wanted me to get a job, but I didn't want to get a job. I don't want to get a regular job, you know.

Yeah. But she her, but in her, to her getting a regular W-2 job is safe and secure. And I'm saying, no, no, I want to do this. And she's thinking, that's risky. What if something goes wrong? Sure. You know, so I get it. You know, like I get it.

She's trying to go the safe route. Yeah. And they have a formula, you know. Right. Which I didn't fit in. Right. So I get it. Yeah.

Yeah. And to be honest, and not to just like, ride the same horse, I didn't fit in that either. Like, it was hard for me to tattoo. Yeah. Because that formula works. It just didn't work for me. But most of the time it worked. It would have worked for me if I'd follow that formula.

I just thought my formula is better. Yeah. So I'm not saying their formula is wrong. It just wasn't right for me. Absolutely. Absolutely. There's many past recovery and success. Yeah, yeah.

So, what part was I at? You checked in. We used to skip over that. We're not talking about that anymore. We already admitted to that, yeah, yeah. That was the past. Yeah. Why are you always bringing up the past?

This is out in the world forever. Yeah, so I handed the knife. He was heartbroken. I was, what are you trying to put me for? They take me to the shit. And then, of course, like, the windows, if you go to, if you go to R&D, or if you get, like, mail down in the mail room, you can walk by all the windows of the shoe. So, like, if, you know, I can talk to people in the shoe all the time. If I need to talk to, hey, I need to go to the mail room.

And they open the door and let me go to the mail room. But really, I'm just going to have to talk to Billy Joel and, you know, Bobby Sue. Right. Just like, hey, man, you know, make sure you do this, you know, are they going to ship you? You can just find all the info. Right. And, of course, they put me in a cell right there, you know, and. All of my guys came down to the window, you know, and I can't just hide.

Right. I just got to stand in the window and with my head down, you know. And, but everyone understood. They did. They really didn't understand. And this might make me cry. I don't want to cry, dude. It's all right.

I cry at least twice a week. They understand. Oh, dude, I cry all the time, dude. Like my daughter, her little mind at work, when I see things, she just started kindergarten, her new little independence. I get her ready for school, take her to school. And when she jumps out of my truck, bye, daddy, love you, daddy. I bawled for the first five days. I bawled.

I'm like, yeah. Anyway, they have my back, man. Right. Even then, you know, they're like, dude, you're good. Get out of here. You need to get out. We know you need to get out of here. it this place sucks for you now right and you know it's just because i was burned out you know you know

i mean of being there it's hard to be someone you're not for so long it's like someone faking a certain voice style like a singer they can only fake that voice for so long like an a tribute band i don't know i went there with that but um terrible analogy right it's almost convoluted but um yeah yeah it's a trip so yeah so i went to the went to the shoe um they just parallel shit me you know i didn't have to go up in my score or anything which was awesome because i'm right there with all my write-ups and everything i'm right at like a 24 and i think 25 is pen or i think maybe 24 is pen now or it just depends anyway um but i thought i could get a management variable if i did because it's you know i checked in you know right the pen but anyway so

They sent me to Phoenix, Arizona. I went there, had a blast. When I went there, I went under Captain's Review again. Same thing, you know, are you going to have any SIS came to talk to me that time, though? And he was a pretty serious dude. He was the gang coordinator for that entire West Coast area. So, like, he's almost like an FBI agent. Right.

Yeah. But his office is at that prison. That's where the cheese factory is, too, is the prison where I was at. where, like, Sammy the Bull, all those, like, high-profile rats. Right. They were in that, this little building with that has a, over their yard. There's a bulletproof sale. It's bulletproof because there's a hill where you could snipe them.

Right. So they had to put this bulletproof sale over their yard where they work out and walk the yard. The cheese factory. Yeah, they call it. Yeah. Because they're all rats. I didn't get it. I didn't catch it right away.

Okay. I didn't catch it right away. And that's what everyone calls it. I was like, she's like, didn't make cheese there? Is there a unicorn? Is that the unicorn? Yeah. I didn't have they made cheese.

It must have been a lot of cheese on the compound. Yeah. I was a clerk at Unicorn for a long time and yeah, I got fired. Because I had a computer and I was making a cards so people could go to Chow early as a diabetic. I was making diabetic cards, the yellow cards. Yeah. I had, I actually did. We had, I had access to a computer and they,

Zach did his legal work on it, and they found out. Is he saving stuff on it? Yeah. Oh, shit. She can't save anything. Yeah, so. Yeah, because the, yeah, from the SMS was like a, like a server, like, scanner. You know, scan.

Yeah. It's got the same. There's a ghost image, and that ghost image has to be the same every time it scans. Yeah, for some reason, the, I, my computer allowed me to, to save, because I, I was doing resumes for people. Yeah. And mine let me save one day we were going to show. Oh, yeah, it wasn't in the policy.

Yeah, one day. Been in the policy. I did, yeah. But we were going to Chow and Zach goes, he said, hey, you need to finish that up because we're going to go to Chow. I said, no, I'll just save it. And he goes, you can't save. And I go, no, I save stuff all the time.

I got all these things saved. He goes, your computer lets you save? I was like, yeah, look. I was pulled up a bunch of other ones. I said, I can save? And he was like, really. Can I do my legal work on here? Would you want, nah, if you want to.

Not thinking much of it. Seems benign. Yeah, seem benign. Yeah. Until they call you in and they tell you, how did you hack the system? Hack the system. I'm my hacker. What are you talking?

It would be pretty easy to change that policy and the policy editor, but I mean, we really don't. I didn't. I just let me save. I didn't know. And Zach's didn't. So he started doing illegal work. Got some out another got caught. Yeah.

And then, you know, I got in trouble. He got in trouble. Phoenix was, was interesting. There was no politics there, which I thought, everything I heard was Phoenix is, it was a no holds barred yard. You know, the gangs, like the, it's a south side or yard, but it's a medium. And I just thought it was going to be crazy there. So I got there thinking, I'm just going to have to turn it on, you know what I mean? Just turn on, you know, hard number and not, you know, soft number.

Right. And, dude, I get there, SIS comes and talks to me, captain comes talks to me, and they're just like, okay, yeah, just don't be, they didn't want me to group people. That was the biggest thing. Don't group, you know, you can't walk more than two or three, you know, at a time on the yard, you know, together in a group. Right. And, man, sure enough, man, the first month I was there, they lock me up. and S-I-S, the head guy for that whole region, Fini, that was his name, S-I-S-S-Fini. And he was like this little scrawny, like real nerdy guy.

It looks like he got picked on in school, one of those type guys. And he presented himself, like, I'm going to get you because you got me in school. That was his whole vibe. And so anyway, it was super chill. Yeah, but they locked me up because someone had said that I was recruiting. right like don't recruit in prison in general that's not um it's it's that's more street stuff right um they can and like you know i kind of was you know with those guys in seattle but um it uh it's it's not really what we do you know right right or what we did or what i'm

not anymore or really ever was right in my heart um but uh so it locked you up yes So they locked me up, and they said I was grouping up people. There was an NLR guy there. Have you ever met any NLR guys? What is that? Lowrider? No. It's like a huge gang in California.

Like, they're killers. They, you have to be one. And there was an NLR guy there, but he was super chill. And, uh, you know, he can, he kind of, he didn't swing off my nuts, but he was just like kind of, you know, yeah, let's go to the yard, bro. Like, like, like, yeah, you're trying to kind of click up with you.

Yeah. but and uh so whoever wrote that kite or dropped that kite um trying to get you off the yard trying to get you off the yard get you in trouble yeah and i was man i hadn't intimidated anybody like i was just like i was truly just being me um but you know i was telling white boys to pull their pants up shit like that because you know dudes were sag in and right and um yeah so that happened i was like no that ain't happening um they investigated it for a few days and let me back out and I never really had any problems with them through my whole thing except for one time I was making some wine and someone told on it it was like no absolutely no wine like they would ship you even if they found like a bottle that smelled like wine so but that was the only other time they messed with me until I had a phone sent in so I worked in in industries and what did they call it again facilities facilities but there's like three letters Unicorn No, C-L-M, C-M-C-S.

C-M-S? C-M-S. I don't know. What is it? I don't know. Anyway. Sounds familiar. So I worked in there as an electrician.

I would go, like if a light went out in the kitchen, I'd push my card in and, you know, fix the light, you know, fix whatever. And but I was really, I was got in really good with my boss. And so whenever we would order parts for like a washing machine or something, it would come in with, you know, in a box. And it had a label. So I sent that label out to some. somebody, told him to recreate that label and mail me in a phone. And so I did that. But there was another guy that worked in there with me.

And he got the package before I did. I didn't go to work that day for some reason. I think it was to see the dentist or something. And he got it before me. And I was like, hey, what happened to the package? And he denied having it. But he told everyone in his unit he had it. first of all, why would you tell everybody?

So I had to go hem him up, but he had already told everyone. So someone in his unit already told the SIS. So now SIS is looking for this phone. So I go hand him up and he wants $1,000 to give me the, to give me my phone, right? And his name was Bill. He had bad legs and he would have seizures in the middle of the yard and he had crutches. But he worked back there with us. And he wants $1,000.

Yeah. Just take your. Beech it with your crush. Yeah. What are he doing? But he was in the hat, though, with the A-Bs. So he was hiding out there in that yard. And you know what in the hat means, you know, he's got a hit on him.

Oh, okay. Yeah. That's what the black hand in the A-Bs call. You know, if they got a hit, it's called In the Hat. So he was in the hat with the A-Bs. And we all knew it. So don't be tough. But I guess he tried to blow somebody up that was, I don't know.

This is on the streets. Like, he did some, like, crazy shit. And got caught with some explosives or something. something and they're not letting him fly on commercial airplanes yeah yeah yeah I'm assuming he's on a list somewhere yeah and um so anyway uh I told him no I'm not going to do that where you're I'm going to go search yourself and find it he's like it's not of my cell and uh it was in back at the the thing anyway someone told they came and searched work and our units and they found the phone at work.

So, but so he said that I had it mailed in, even though they found it in his, like, little area. So they locked me up. What? Yeah. This, this dude was a, this dude told on everything, though, the guy with the crutches. Yeah, yeah. He was a teller, too.

So, um, so they would believe him and they used him to get information from the yard. And we already knew that, but we just let it, you know, as long as it wasn't, uh, affecting affecting us and, and whatever we were doing. and so they lock me up and they search all my stuff they're looking for the sim card sim card wasn't in it in the phone so they're looking for the sim card i don't know where it's i never had it right so i go out to the rec yard you know in the cage for my hour out and when i come back dude my whole cell is just trashed i just got a care package from the guys in the yard They sent me some romans, chocolate, you know, just chips, everything.

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and I and I was like all right I'm already screaming right and they're like are you the cops like are you okay okay I was like no man you tore all my shit broke my glasses um I think one of my headphones was broken that seemed intentional right so I'm like all right man I got you he's like and he goes are you going to give me the cuffs and I wasn't even thinking of that right I was like yeah I'm going to give you the cuffs take these off me as soon as he got one off I pulled and it pulled the chain to, you know, he's like, okay, and the key was stuck in the other, in the other cuff, and I pulled his chain, his keys, his whole chain and belt, and he was like reaching in, doing it, and I just, like, was punching his hand while I broke his wrist. Dude, I just, I couldn't believe it, man. I broke his wrist, took the keys, the chain. I had everything. I had all the keys. on his key on his key belt and I'm like oh my god what did I do in my head and I'm just like

yeah that's right come on in and get these key and I'm just screaming and one of the cool cops that worked back there who would whenever he would take my tattoo machine away he would always give it back right um he was working back there and I would you know he's always like kind of like you I said earlier cool it's be veil man relax relax right he came he came to the window and he just went like this like that like you're crashing bro you have the keys this is a big deal It's not like, you know, having just the cuffs or whatever. It's a big deal. But I wasn't giving them back.

I was going to try to flush them and just like, what key, you know, but I decided to mask up, you know, with a wet towel over my head. You're going to have to come and get them. I put my mattress up against the door, had the keys as a weapon. So bad. Yeah. This is just like you just. Dude. Give them the keys back.

If I could take it all back, I would have. If I could take it all back, I would have. Right. Because when the keys back, yeah, I don't know why I just couldn't, man. I was just in my head and I was so angry and because I didn't have it. You know, I never got the phone. And I, and it's, it's on me that they're charging me with it. You know, you can get five years for a phone.

Right. You know, if they prosecuted, they never did. So I peek out the thing and it's another guy who was an officer there. He's now a Las Vegas cop. He works as a street cop in Vegas because a white supremacist was in the military, was then a cop. So he was always cool with me, you know, because he thought I was, you know, one of them. And I can't remember his name.

But he comes in one. He's the cameraman, right? And so I just call out his name. All right, mother, I want you first. You come in here first. I got you, you know. And he's like, you know, he's like, give me these faces. You know, I'm just like, and they put the thing back up.

Of course, they come in. They try to throw in those, those, they're like beads, but they're pepper bombs. And they try to do that, like they stick, first they stick on an electric cattle prod, you know, like a back, a zapper through the hatch to push the mattress away. And I'm holding it for a single, but I see the cattle problems like, oh, I'm out of here. So I get the bunks there were like, there was one like on the ground and there was like one like just this high. it was a weird setup so the top bunk was only this high so i'm standing on the bunk with my mask and the keys i'm like come on and get it you know so like as soon as they come in i'm just diving and i'm ready dude i'm ready for them and um and so like it happened man oh wait i forgot

i stuck my sandal so you can lock those doors so when they go to unlock it with the key you can't turn it because there's so much pressure pushing on the lock so i see you get to ram your your shower slide in there. So I jam my shower slide in there. So like for them to get the lock open, they're going to have to like get like a ranch or something where they can have leverage to turn that, you know,

the big old skeleton key. Like they're huge. And so it took a long time for them to get the door open, but they finally did. I don't know how they did it, but they had to go get something. And they come in, dude, and I just jump.

And I had shampoo all over the floor. So if they came in, they would slip and slide. they didn't really slip and slide in theory it was you know but you know i only had like six little bottles of shampoo you know shoe shampoo and so like threw that on the ground and tried to get it slippery but they just came right in and i jumped and you know they wrestled me around they didn't beat me up or anything you know most guys would be like oh yeah they beat the shit on they didn't beat me up at all they're just like man what are you doing i was like man you guys

tore my room you broke my glasses you know what's it got to do you know but i got a lot of write-ups for that and I thought they were going to charge me for the assault and the officer but he he said no he's good he just he understands and he was one of like the really like like meek guys you know like just like he just came to do his job you know he never tried to bust you but he never really tried to like talk to you either and um yeah he was super cool man he was kind of a fat guy he was super cool i was trying to remember his name too but um yeah and so of course they're going to ship me they're going to ship me anyway because of the phone so i'm back there for a long time with these cockroaches like a long time one time they came in and sprayed sprayed for them but they had us

clean them up and it was literally taking a a dustpan and like sweeping them in like piles of cockroaches i mean piles these walls were all metal like like, they were metal walls that had cracks in between, where the seams were. And these metal panels were like as big as, like, plywood, you know, four by eight. And so they were just like, they were living back there, like, crazy. And so we had to clean those up one time. And they ended up shipping me. And they shipped me to, of course, I go to OTC.

And then that's why I go to Pollock. Now, I don't know if anyone's ever been on and talked about Pollock. but Pollock is like in the swamp and it's dark and it's gloomy and it feels like death you know and I've heard all the stories

about Pollock and you know you think some of it's like just folklore made up you know exaggerated but from my time there

I seen what seven there while I was there and I was only there for three months so in the last two we got locked down for real

well I was there on the yard for three months I was in the shoe for up a lot longer. So, and I think I told you that story on the phone, and I'll retell it when I had my paperwork and the guy was above me. And it had the, you okay, the 5K, but I didn't get it. Oh, yeah.

But it was on there. That was the first time I had got my docket sheet ever sent in or seen it. I was just hoping it wasn't going to be there because I didn't get it. Right. You know. They're not going to care that you didn't get it. Nah, because you tried. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, yeah. So, you know, and I told the story, you know, like this is what happened. And, you know, so they said, okay, bro, if that's true, we'll let you stay. But you need the transcripts. Getting the transcripts is hard. It's not like I can just call it, hey, hey, bro, will you just print those transcripts off the internet and send them in? It's hard.

If they're not already transcribed, which yours, I'm sure, weren't. Because then you have to first write, you have to write to get the, the name of the clerk right or the court reporter then you have to write the court reporter and ask for them then she sends you a letter back and says she wants a dollar 50 or 275 per page or word yeah you know and it's 20 pages so it's you know 30 or 40 50 bucks and you're like fuck like this is you know then you have to get somebody on the street to mail her cashier's check because they don't want to take a check yeah then she it's it's a it's a it's a a month month to two month.

It's more like a two-month process at the minimum. And that's if you have somebody on the street helping you. Yeah. And that's if you can even get it in because you're not allowed to have them unless you're appealing a case or fighting a case. Oh, yeah. And you need it. And my case was done.

I had no appeals. You know, I had no approved law firm to write me, uh, whatever that correspondence is. Right. So anyway, so we, we're at R&D and we're coming onto the yard. I just kind of jumped ahead a little bit but I'll just back up just once for a second when we got to the yard we're all walking with our

with our you know packs or you know our laundry bag and and our bed rolls we don't even have a laundry bag and walking with our bed rolls and the whole it's during count the 4 o'clock count and the whole prison is pounding on their windows and it's rumbling

it's like rumbling and like every with me there was like six guys with me well there was like 16 guys with me right but the warden came in like hey if you got anything bad don't walk this yard you'll get killed they so and don't worry these guys are gonna find it so just go to the right let the guys who can make it go to the left and and he was like i don't care if it's tiny 40 years ago if you were eight years old and you told on you know your neighbor be you know for whatever these guys are going to find it don't walk this yard Right. But I'm like, I'm good, you know. You're not good. I know, but I feel like I'm okay. And then those 10 guys peeled off and you thought, you, my God, what's wrong with you guys, bitches?

So, you know, they're pounding on the windows. Everyone's, you could see the fear in everyone. Everyone's got their head down. But I'm up front. Head held high. I'm not showing any weakness. You know, I'm trying to. because I don't know who's looking.

I get to the unit, you know, they lock me down. I sell these cool, hey, what's up, bro? You know, we were waiting for you. You're Sam, right? Yep. He's like, yeah, we knew you were coming. One of your homeboys is here. You know, he's excited you're here.

You know, we just need more white boys in the yard, you know, from the west side, west coast, you know, because there was a lot of ABTs and Aryan Circle there. This is before they had the big beef where they had to separate them at Florence and Lewisburg. And so, yeah, so anyway, so we come off account, they had just come off lockdown. A kid got, this little, this, oh, if he's like 19 or 20, but anyway, they were on lockdown for something else. The kid comes to the yard from R&D, from transport, comes to the yard. Well, they're on a food strike. They're not, they're not accepting lunches.

this kid doesn't know that he's in a cell by himself doesn't know that he takes the lunch well this dude Conan from Oregon he's like hey hey man did you take a lunch down there he's like yeah he's like do it out he's like I already ate it he's like I'm gonna talk to you and we get out

dude did you just got there right so I'm yelling down or no that's a different thing so they come off of the thing and Conan like was walking with him down the stairs and just pipelines him and the kid falls back hits his head and kills him because you know the concrete

steps yeah they go up and down to the tier kills him so they're just coming off lockdown of that they've been out for like a day or two so um there's a lot of energy you know everyone's still trying to like get store and settle debts you know and communicate and uh so i get there so anyway said uh they knew i was coming and the dude that said he knew me i had never met before but he knew he knew of me and um from from one of the guys at uh phoenix they were in uh uh florence arizona not colorado together it's like a what are those called giz one of those jia prisons uh the private ones yeah but he knew of me i've stayed at one of those have you yeah and uh he he uh he knew of me but i guess he told them that he knew me he was just trying

to be cool like oh yeah i know that i know the big homie yeah i know the big homie which it was this worked out for you it did work out for me and well for a little bit and uh I mean I mean it technically did I didn't check in on that yard yeah the the the uh but I so I had to pretend like I knew him right because I'm like okay this is working out you know I'm like okay what was his name too he was a piece of shit he was a piece of shit because he would run up drug debts and not pay and then we would pay for him and then uh we tell me don't do no more, but they would, the, the, uh, syndicado guys would, would always front him drugs because they knew we would pay it every time.

But, um, anyways, so he's co-signing for me. No one's asking me for my paperwork. And like an idiot, I'm like, yeah, yeah, you know, whatever. If I need to get my, my, my, my, my sentencing sheet, whatever, I'm thinking they're just going to say my J&C. Yeah. A judgment commitment where it just says, it says at the end, it's like page 14. If you have page 14, then something's wrong.

If it goes to 13, you're good. Something like that. It might be 11 to 12, but whatever. So I think they're just going to ask for that. And I know that's good because I didn't get it. Right. That's it after sentencing. And the dude's like, you can get your docket?

Cool. One of the ABT dudes. And I was like, I was like, well, yeah, but you know, I'm good. He's like, no, get your jacket. But, you know, I can't show any kind of, because dude's telling themselves all the time. yeah they're either their story or their reaction so i have to like be as smooth as possible i was yeah yeah cool i said i'm good but yeah cool and um so i get it sent in um and we get the mail and we're locked down and i'm on the bottom bunk sitting down and i'm reading it and i see it

dude it was like the biggest two numbers letters i've ever seen it's like i was like oh shit and my bunkey was up top like looking overhead he's like whoa whoa whoa go back there and I was like what so I went back on two pages like here he's like no no no go forward and I was like well here

I was like he's like yeah is this thing five crazy one I was like yeah man that's just that's nothing I didn't get it you can see I can show you on my JNC I have no downward departure at all not even a little one and he's like yeah but what is it

what does that what does that mean and I'm so I just tell him the story And he's like, oh, man, he's like, well, I hope you can prove that. He's like, I'm not the one to make that decision, but, you know, we'll just tell the guys when we come out. He's like, man, just tell them what happened, and we'll just see what happens. And, like, it could go either way. They could be like, oh, yeah, get your trial transcript, but I wasn't even thinking that at that time. Or they can just be like, oh, yeah, cool, man, and then stab me the next move or whatever, you know.

Right. So. Jesus. Or, you know. they could rock me to sleep, you know, just be my friend, be my friend, you know, like, oh, yeah, it's good, wait for your transcript, but they don't care. You know, they could just not wait for the transcript. Just say that so they can get me because they can't let me get away. It's, they're in trouble if they let me get away if I'm bad.

So, yeah, so they let me get the transcript. So every day I was like kind of waiting for it, but, you know, I'm feeling, I'm waiting for the vibe because I feel like, and I prove this at Hazleton, I feel like that I can sense that vibe, even if they're rocking me to sleep, because I've done it and I've seen it, you know? So, anyways, well, on that yard, I start getting high in a little bit here and there, but I don't want to run up a debt because I really don't know these dudes, not like I did at the hut. And, but I do kind of run up a debt, but I pay it, but, but what's his name, kept running up debts and we were paying it. So we finally told these dudes like, look, if you sell them, it's all bad. We're not paying anymore, right?

And if you get any more, we're killing you. It's just what's going to happen. We're going to stab you and hopefully you don't die. And he's like, all right, all right. Oh, I almost had his name because I was thinking of what I was talking to him. Anyway, he ends up running up a debt with another car. And we got to get him. But there's only really me there.

and uh but at the same time this other situation came with this guy who um and he was my sally who had testified on a trial in texas and the abt dude the head of the abt's there sent the paperwork to the to the to our unit to like a couple of the guys and i've seen it and they're like he's telling us to take care of it because he was arian circle and the dude was shown to me was arian circle but he he was the only one there or he might have had another guy there and this dude's big so it's got to be a few guys they go out from but we all run together so that kind of includes me because I haven't put any work yet and I have to put in some work anyway because I'm trying to look good right because we're waiting for the the transcripts the transcripts which I never even tried to get

you know because I don't have anyone out there right you know to do that so we we rock this guy to we come out on the move i come up from behind him grab him bring him to the ground and these guys just start kicking his face and pounding his face until they like they like his whole face got smashed in i never seen it but you know the cops told us like yeah he had to go have like all these things screwed and bone and pinned and and just like not not reconstructed but kind of reconstructed yeah and uh and the whole time he's like what happened what happened what i do what I do? Like he didn't know what was going on.

And those guys are like, yeah, you did, you're a rat. And just, I mean, just smashing the dude, man.

And it took so long for the cops to get there. And I'm just like holding him. And I'm just like, dude, where are the cops? Come save this dude. Right. And the warden had already told us,

too, like the next time there's blood on anyone's boots, like if you guys got to get a dude off, just smash them off the yard. But the next time there's blood on someone's boots, it's over. We're locking you guys down. We're taking away this, that. So, you know, he's like, dude, what I do, what I do?

You know, he's like, and finally the cops get there and they tackle us, you know, smash us, handcuff us. And there, there's like around the whole prison, there's like a walkway that goes behind the units, like a big tunnel. And so they walk, I didn't even know it was there. And so they walked us all the way around to the shoe. And they're like, man, you guys, man, there's blood on those boots. You know, you guys are hit. Warden's going to trip. We're like, fuck the warden, you know, that.

You know, I'm, you know, and stupid. Inside, I'm like, going, what we do. And so we get to the shoe and, you know, and dude's yelling down after he comes back from the hospital. And, you know, it's like a week or two. He comes back. and we see him come back and I just feel bad dude it's not it's not in my nature but I'm trying to survive

and I just feel real bad and he sends a kite down you know he's like you know hey please give me give me a little bit of respect and tell tell me why you guys did that right what happened and my cell he's like I'll write it

and he's like you're a rat you told him that blah blah blah he knew the name of the dude you know and it happened at a car wash and he witnessed it or something and he was with the guy who did it and uh he sends a kite back and he's like you guys got it up i testified for the for the defense i didn't testify for the for the prosecutor and he's like i can prove that my whole car knows that like like the major and the general of the arian circle they know that they know that whole story because they're all from texas yeah And they're all tight, you know, Texas.

One thing about Texas is they're tight, and they all know each other. Anyways, turns out it's true. Right. Totally true. And the, that ABT dude just didn't like the dude because he was big. Right. He was threatened by him. And he was Aryan Circle.

He was an opposite gang, wasn't in his gang, wasn't in ABT. And he did that on purpose. And he sacrificed me and those two other dudes. to do it because now we're hit right you know because first of all we listen to another gang it's almost like listen to another race right you know like like like you know some mexican dudes said hey you know go go get that dude here's this paperwork um and all the paperwork said it was that you know he just came there to testify you know it was lame wasn't specific enough it wasn't specific enough and um you know I tried to apologize he's like

man, apologies ain't going to do it, man. It's, you know, it is what it is. You guys will get yours, you know. I'm going to go and hold my head high and walk wherever I go. And so I don't know who did. It wasn't me. It wasn't me this time. But someone sent a guy and said, hey, we can't come back out.

Right. It was a false head. This and that happened. They told the whole thing. S&S was questioning me about. I was like, I don't know anything. I was just putting in work, you know? and so they didn't let us back out they ship us you know i'm wearing there who knows for how long

nine months 10 months it was a long time bro and uh they we go to oklahoma i run into a uh he's kind of a popular abt dude um big beard i used to play handball with him in another spot at tarot anyways i run into him i tell him the whole thing he's like oh man oh man you guys are hit he's like but believe this oh boy's gonna get it you know the the dude who sent us on the on the mission the abt dude uh he's gonna get it and uh we're like oh yeah whatever you know who cares yeah that might do anything for me yeah and um so we we get to i i get to uh hazleton they send me to hale another shitty violent crazy crazy yard um and i skipped over the two dudes that got at um another two dudes that got right and we were locked down for a little bit at

at pollock they were um two cuban guys they were found bound in their bunks but they had a store and they had like thousands of books because they had a ticket to or they or they held books of stamps for for the ticket guy with something like that but they had thousands of books and it was just it was just a cash grab and um we were locked down for a long time for that And the FBI came and investigated that. And anyway, but that was just something crazy that happened there. It had nothing to do with me. And so anyway, I get to Hazleton.

On the plane to Hazleton, I'm sitting next to this dude named Country. He's dead now. They killed him at Big Sandy. But I was with Country, and I'm in there. I'm just like, man, I'm just going to come down there and, you know, do my own thing. Man, I'm not even going to represent. I'm going to be loud and proud. you know, we're like this, I'm going to be loud and proud, you know, you know, I, I ain't

going to hide nothing. I'm like, man, I'm seeing hiding it. I'm just going to like, just do my own thing, you know, I don't want to like click up with, with any of the there. I don't know any of them. I just got burned at this other spot. If there's any Aryan circle dudes, I'm not going to be able to walk because there's a separatia. It's not like I'm going to go there and be like, hey, I can't walk here. They're just going to be like, you know, I can't, you know i can't go and uh so i get there and dude we fall in there's this dude named slayer these the dudes that were there were all part of the 420 riot at florence where that those two dudes got on hitler's

birthday do you ever hear about that no it's like the biggest like like thing that had happened in the in the bop in a long time like like super long there might be some stuff on YouTube or somewhere else about it on Hitler's birthday yeah 420 grandpa's birthday we all call him grandpa okay it's stupid I know stupid my grandma meho you didn't know hitler I knew Hitler meho you know that's my grandma when she's seen the thin and um so um so we get there these dudes are all you know like yeah we were part of that you know blah blah blah you know, this is the dude that started it, and he was fighting the dude. Basically, what had happened at Florence was that they were all drinking on Hitler's

birthday, you know, going, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, Hitler, Grandpa's birthday, you know, all you dudes, but they were drunk and a fight happened and, you know, there wasn't even supposed to, you know, there's no hands. And the tower, you know, dropped the bombs and they didn't stop fighting. and the dude shot the one dude through the chest and both but the bullet went through the white dude and hit the black dude in the head and both and uh it was just it was a big deal it was a big deal and that that was after like kind of like a riotous situation one fight started then they all kind of started fighting and uh riotous is that even a word i just made that up

Just shaving away. So we get there. They're all telling me that. They want me to read it. You know, all the paperwork. Yeah, I got to write up for this and that. You know, I did this during that ride. They're just trying to like, like show off to me that, you know, they're super skins.

And, uh, these were the kind of, they were like, uh, they weren't beer like a beer. Like a beer. It's just like a, like a Southern KKK guy gets drunk, you know, FNs, you know. Right. And, um, these were like, these I thought they were, they were like internet. that were in one of them specifically was the internet he um he was he was in there for throwing a a a a molotov cocktail in a synagogue or something like that and uh but the other dudes were just like they were like those like you know Hollywood is you know is is all you know

Jews and they're trying to you know change us all to love the you whatever you know whatever you know they deny Holocaust deniers right and you know Hollywood's you know all bad and that stuff's just lame to hear it's like it makes no sense um but anyway they were those kind of guys and uh one day i wasn't there very long one day there was a dude that was that was where i had checked in and uh he was like um something happened with him he wasn't there when it happened but he was he knew some he was there and then he had heard the story like you know you won't believe dude casper checked in you know kind of that type thing and he was like no something happened i'm going to find out um i find that out later this is this information i find out later

and uh so i was feeling that you know because i'm constantly my feelers are like these are going to find out that i did that because they'll always follow you i don't know how many you've seen it or have heard of it but like you can't hide in the BOP you can't yeah yeah you might get lucky for a while but you every time that bus comes to the yard and people walk out of R&D you're gonna yeah there's a chance that some guy walks in says yep yeah so um I was feeling it they were all a sudden trying to get me to go to the law library one time hey come the law library with with this. Come law library with this. I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm going to do this tattoo. And they're like, no, no, man, come to the law library with this. I was like, man, I can't go.

They're like, all right, right. Next, next move. Just finish the tattoo. And I was tattooing on country. And so anyway, so we're all just doing the thing. I finished the tattoo. Those guys come back from the law library. And I just feel it, right? The one dude, the internet, And he, like, he's never done this, puts his arm around me. He's like, man, you come with the Law Library, right? And I just felt it, dude. Right. They're rocking me to sleep.

And he's like, I'm like, yeah, man, yeah. He's like, all right, moves in a few minutes. So I'm like, all right, I'm just going to make a phone call. And he's like, wait, wait, just go to the moon, make the call later. I was like, man, can I call my dad, man? He's like, okay, okay. So I go down to the phones, and it's like those, it's like a round concrete thing. And there's three phones on it.

And you, like, sit in this little concrete and talk the phone so i'm down there pretending to call and uh i'm done i have the thing like this and i'm like pretending i'm talking and i'm watching them out like the corner of my eye i'm watching them and they're all they shouldn't have done this because this is what like locked it in for me like yeah i'm checking in i'm running right um the um the there was some black hand dudes there like Batman was there. These were all like huge MA guys that had the black hand on them. They were all there.

And those guys had just got a dude. The dude ran into the cop's cage and they locked the door. Those dudes got in and still with that cop right there got that dude. And like right in front of the cop and the cop just let it happen. So I knew these guys were going to try to show that up. Right. You know, they just stabbed a dude from war. That's a Nevada gang.

They just stabbed to do it from war, like just stabbed him in the neck a bunch of times so i know if it's coming it's going to come hard and fast and and i'm not getting hit and dude there was a move and i was pretending to be on the phone and when i seen the door start to shut i like timed it and i just ran for the door dude and it was almost like a movie i just like slid through the door and the door shut and the yard cops out there that that walks the yard you know make sure everything's everyone's out inside he's like hey hey get back in there and he's like goes to call and he's like no don't open that don't open that he's like what's going on i was like man, I got to go, man.

These dudes are trying to kill me, bro. Right. They got knives. They're trying to kill me. And when you say that to a cop there, they know that's true. Yeah. Like, they're like, no, no, no, no, he's going to try to give you. And I was like, no, these dudes are, if he says it, it's probably happening.

Right. So he's like, oh, man, because now it's work. You know, he's going to take me to the hole. He's like, all right. They hate work. Yeah, one coming into, there's to a lieutenant's office first, you know, and tell him, what's up. One come to the lieutenant's office, you know, go. So he walks me there.

I'm just, dude, I'm so relieved. I'm just like, dude, I, because dude, I've seen it so many times, and it was going to happen to me. So I get away and, uh, they put me in this like, uh, a visiting thing, you know, like a, we talk to your, you know, the window. Yeah. They put me in there for two days. I slept in there. Um, I ate in there. What did you stick in the shoe?

There was no room. There was no room in the shoe. finally I get to the shoe and yeah dude it sucks our shoe was almost always empty crazy no our shoe was so empty one time they closed it down to renovate it and they just moved everybody so if you go to the shoe like in the low they put you in the shoe in the medium and they were still plenty of room yeah yeah that's crazy I was a good place yeah I wish I was there I'd be like hi guys you know what I mean just all goofy um Um, yeah, so, uh, yeah, so I was in there and I was in shooting, you know, they're going to ship me.

And I'm like, look, man, you know, I'm not, you guys, it's on paper that we went on a bad hit for the Arian Circle. I can't walk anywhere that there's Arian Circle. Right. Well, there's not Arian Circle everywhere. I go, but they can, they hit. I know there's a place you can send me. Right. I'm talking about the Deuce and Coleman.

Right. And they're just like, well, you got to like. You got to, like, debrief and, you know, you got to drop out and do all this stuff. And I was already, like, in negotiations with a couple of guys to drop out because I was trying to be a Buddhist. Right. You know, study Buddha, the four noble paths, the eight, or the full, four noble truth, the eight full path. I'm trying to study that stuff because I was a believer, you know, of that. I don't believe it now, but, well, Buddha said that there would be a Jewish Messiah.

Buddha predicted it. And Buddha always said, don't worship me. I'm just a teacher. So, anyway, oh, I don't know. I was talking about that. So they move you to Coleman? Yeah, they sent me to Coleman. But still, it's drama getting to Coleman.

You know, you go to OTC. They're like, hey, man, where are you going? Where are you going? You know, I don't know, I don't know. But I did know. Yeah. And then when you're on the plane going to Florida, you know, all the hardcore dudes are like,

were you going where you going i was like i guess coleman one or two i was like i'm going to the one dude and uh you know when you're on the bus at coleman you're just praying they drop the dudes off at at the other places first and you're last right of course you're not you know what i mean so you're you got to be on the bus talking like you're good and normal

and then you know i've seen it's the deuce i'm like man i got to get off here but i'm It's like, all right, guys, yeah, man. You know, like, oh, yeah, here it is the deuce, man, but I'm not going there, you know. And there's like, yeah, man, all them pussies, all them dropouts and rats and, you know, this and that, and the cops. You know, there's tons of cops there. You're a bro. Yeah, dude.

Dude, I was like, why are they calling me, fellas? I couldn't even make eye contact with those fools when I went out the bus. I just got off the bus, you know, I wish I could have just been like, you'd later, suckers. You know, but that's crazy. I can't believe they called my name. This has got to be a mistake, fellas. Yeah. It's got to be a mistake.

Yeah. I'm going to get this straightened out. I can't remember. I'm going to get this all straightened out. I'll see you guys in a couple days. Yeah. I'm going to talk to the captain as soon as I get there. I can't walk this podcast yard.

So I get to Coleman. And I'm getting short. I'm like a year away, maybe not even a year. It might be shorter than a year. and man I get there and I'm just like I can breathe you know what I mean just still a little bit of politics there you know you know and everyone there is trying to explain themselves while they're like oh you know it was just a mishap with this you know and this you know I only safe place I could be but you know I didn't I'm good I'm still a B you know I'm still a dirty dirty white boar I'm still

A, B, T. Everyone's still in their gang. They just have to, like, sit here until they, the guys can figure it out. You know, they're either investigating their, something bad that they read, you know, kind of like what I was doing there. You know, but I'll stay here until that happens. But I already know you can only get there from checking in three times or, like, my thing, there's a hit, basically, on me.

Right. Or, what was the other one? There's other ones. There's other reasons to be there. you're a cop or you're whatever um drop out you got a debrief that's the other one i was thinking um and so you know no one did that no one did any of those things everyone there it was all mistake it was all mistake but uh so so i'm there you actually have a good story like i was told to do something by somebody i sure did and now these are trying to like i didn't do any of that stuff

is yeah a higher up told me to do something turns out he was a piece of shit and now i'm on that card with him yeah because i followed an order yeah yeah so um soon so i get there and you know all the white boys are super cool you know there was the ab dude there from california he he didn't takes me right away you know he just kind of see how i fell you know i i used to do that i'd watch people land and see how hard they land you know if they come out you know just swinging like you know yeah yeah you know loud and proud or whatever or um you know are they getting in the mix or they are they looking for drugs right away you know um but he's seen how i landed i landed smooth and just kind of just chilled and uh he came up to me one time i was walking here he said hey man spin a lap

and he was just telling my telling me his story you know um he did make a bad call and had had one of his ab dudes killed and uh it was just a bad call he shouldn't have done it he didn't get permission to do it um if he he could have gotten permission like it would have happened I talked to other AB dudes about it after that on the streets. And I was like, yeah, I was at Coleman with so-and-so. And they're like, oh, man, if he just would have gotten permission, you know, it all came. He was the real deal. But, but yeah, so the only thing, the only problem with the deuce is that, yeah, it's safe, you know, for you to be there.

But all the Cubans and the Puerto Ricans and all them dudes and all them gangs, it's, that's not. not a bad yard for them. That's just their yard. Right. You know, so they don't like any of the, any of the white boys because, you know, they're all bad on their shit, but they don't really politic like that. It has nothing to do with them. So we all walk together. Right. But to get in close with them or, you know, to do business with them, it was almost impossible, unless you're a tattoo artist. Right. And I was tattooing on them all the time. And they were, you know, feeding me and giving me, you know, lots of stamps and, uh, there was a lot of drugs there. Like, the biggest drug there was like gabapentin, you know, sometimes it's a box and would hit the

yard and they'd cut it up into a million pieces and sell it. But, um, yeah, it was pretty chill there. It was pretty chill there. And then that's where I left. I left from there, you know, took the bus, uh, back to L.A. Um, they tried to send me to my sentencing district, but, you know, I proved where I was from and, and, uh, sent me back to L.A. I did the halfway house in Hollywood, and it was just crazy from there. Yeah, so I took the bus back to L.A., got to Vinewood. It's the halfway house in Hollywood. Like, the next street over is Hollywood Boulevard, the stars and stuff.

But I know the area. Basically, they're my entire life. So anyway, so I'm stoked I'm there. It's co-ed. So it's like it's guys and girls all living together. I get there. Everyone's got a girlfriend, you know She's a bunch of Mexican girls

There's like four of us white guys And this white girl, but she only daced Mexican guys You know, I try to tell her, I'm half Mexican And she's odd And but you know It's cool There was some cool dude There's some Armenian power dudes there

That didn't hurt in me And we were all getting along Hanging out This dude Stomper, super cool dude And basically we would just go out for job search And just go walk Hollywood Boulevard And hang out, go to Starbucks my kid brother sent me a chrome book you know just a chrome book but it was something for me to

go on that online with you know it's i've been down for a while so there's a lot of new things out there um so i'm just basically hanging out all day i'm sliding places here and there to do tattoos for cash um but the the halfway house isn't really like on me about they just know I'm getting out this date and hopefully you know you can get a place you know and so towards the end

I was like my family's going to get me a place I think I turned in a little bit of money to get out I can't remember but I got let out and but during that time one of the girls that lived there she had a friend and she asked me hey do you want to make some money

and I'm like absolutely she's like all right It's basically just you're going to open an account, you're going to deposit these checks, and then the girl that works there, she's going to create sub-accounts from that main account, and then you're going to go in with the account number, and you're going to do a withdrawal step, and you're going to withdraw only $1,000 at a time. Because if it's anything more, they'll look into it.

They'll go to like the next page and see that the money's not cleared yet. Right. But I guess like $1,000 was like the deal. Yeah. And so we started doing that, and they were, I don't, they were having like tweakers, you know, steal from mailboxes or whatever to get the checks. But they, they would always have some checks, like with different names, you know, it could be, whatever. And they would, we would fill them out. And then I would deposit them.

And I would, and a lot of times the teller would be like, no, I can't. I was like, well, can you get your manager? And they would go get the manager and be like, like, look, this is my money. Like, I just got to prove for this car. I need the down payment. And I'd have some fake paperwork that Toyota on the top or whatever. I didn't do that all the time. But in the end, I realized I need to have like a story.

Right. You know, to like stand on. Like, it's important that I get this money today. It's my money. It's in my account. So that worked. And it was working big time. And, but I had to come up.

And so when I give them a Social Security, I would just give him a fake social. and they would send out I would sign a thing so they would like send out for proof of the social or something at the bank but they would still open the account um I so you can only do that so many times with your with your ID before they're like hey you can't you can't do this but I did it a lot a bunch of times and um the uh but when it stopped working she she told me to put a hole in one of of the numbers of my ID, and then when they go to do it, you just tell them it's a different number, you know? Right. And I would always just say, oh, that's a zero, you know, or a six or something, because you could kind of see, like, maybe it was an eight or something, but you could still kind of see one of the round, like, numbers through the hole. Right. And they, when they asked how that happened, I was like, oh, I left it at a restaurant, and the stupid manager put it in his

office and stuck on his court board, you know, and so he didn't lose it or, you know, know where it was. It makes no sense to me either, you know. Right. And so we did that, and we did that for a lot. I mean, it was well over a hundred grand. I'm thinking more close to two, but we would split it. And the only thing was is that I could only do a thousand a time and I had to do it fast. So I could go to each bank, like fast, bam, bam, bam. And then she would, she would move it to another sub-account. Give me the next sub-account number. And then I go in there, I write it on a slip, or I had a bunch of slips with me, but I would write on a slip, go in there.

You know, I need to draw a thousand. I think sometimes we try to do more, and sometimes it would work, but we tried to stick with a thousand and just try to drain as much as we could. We usually wrote like eight or nine thousand on the checks, and then we would deposit two, and so she would just, I don't know, exactly everything she did, but it was working, and it worked for a long time. And then finally, I went in and they just wasn't working. Right.

It just wasn't working anymore. But I was giving my PO so many dirties for heroin. That was about to come to an end too. Right. You know, but he thought I was doing good because I always had money. I had a shop, tattoo shop, you know, that was mine. And he just made it as long as you're doing good, just, you know, don't deal drugs. Don't, you know, don't rob anybody.

don't, you know, do bad guy shit except for, you know, your little possessions that you're doing to stay well or whatever. Because every time he see me, you know, he goes, you look good. Right. And I'm doing good. But you filled your,

your UA. Yeah, but I was failing UA's. So finally, he got a new supervisor. He was a black guy. And he was like, man, and I'm on paper. And he's like, dude, you're letting this way. No, no. He's got to get cleaner.

He's going back. so he gives me like a week to get clean sends me to this detox center in long beach i'm trying to get clean but like i'm like on day two and i'm hallucinating so bad i'm doing like five grams of heroin a day but i'm hallucinating so bad from withdrawing i i fell asleep because they give you all these pills to like sleep because they try to get you to sleep the bad part away right but i had a dream that i had a conversation with a doctor and he said it was okay if i just left and came back later that night. So I'm trying to tell the nurse that.

Like, no, Dr. So-and-so said I could leave. And she's like, no one told you you could leave. I promise you. And I was like, but I got to go. I got to go. And she's like, oh, yeah, are you signing out AMA against medical advice? Yep, signing out. So I get out, call my roommate.

I left my roommate with a big chunk, like, I mean, a ball of heroin. And call him. I told him to bring me a get well. He comes. He's coming. away from Hollywood. I'm in Long Beach. It's far. And so I'm just waiting there, just sweating, withdrawing. And he gets there, and I just do the shot right there in the car, right in the parking lot. And, dude, it's just like, I'm not trying to glorify drugs, but it was just like

such a relief to be well. And I was like, oh, what am I going to tell my P.O., man? What am I going to tell him? I just got to be honest. So I told him, I go, look, I walked out of the place, but I'm going to get clean. I'm going to, I'm going to do it. go to go to my brothers he's going to put me in his room and a room lock me in there until I'm done with detox and that's what I did I would say you don't want to detox in prison that's for sure no absolutely not and that's what I did because I had to that was like a Friday I told him that I had till Thursday so oh and I had I had a couple checks that were getting ready to clear I forgot about that part um yeah because it didn't stop until after that because I remember

going to the treatment center so yeah so i messed that up i was going to the treatment center and i had checks clearing and i had to be well enough to go withdraw from those checks with a girl and that was on on a monday and my brother's like what you just like you look like shit i was like yeah but i i got to get get money for treatment and blah blah blah she's like all right i'll take you and i did dude i did it like totally sick and uh And even talked to the dude was cool. He just got back on some vacation. He used to tell me about the vacation.

And I did it. And I got well, I got to treatment. I went to Phoenix House in Venice Beach. And it was cool there. But I was, I didn't tell him, because I got clean with Suboxone. And so I didn't tell him I was, I snuck in the Suboxone. So when the Suboxone ran out in treatment, I got kind of like sick again. I was weaning myself off the Suboxin.

Right. So I kind of got sick again. One of the guys, my roommates was going out. I said, if I just had like some vodka or something to take the edge away. So he got me a little bottle of vodka, brought it back to the treatment center because they get to go out for like work and like look for jobs before they graduate. And he brought me back this bottle of vodka. I drink the whole thing. Dude, I was so drunk, bro.

And I had to go to group. And I was so drunk. And I thought, and there was a dude there that I knew was selling heroin. I went down to him. And I was like, dude, I just, I just need a little chunk because I usually, if you, if you got a little buzz, an alcohol buzz, then you do a little heroin, it'll, it'll even you out. Okay. In theory. In theory.

Did it? Well, I did too much. So I OD'd. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. I have a picture of it on my phone just laying on the floor. It's all the things on me and the paramedics surrounding me in the treatment center. I keep it there for when I go talk now, because I talk around different treatment centers.

and well I haven't a little bit but I used to when I first got out and I do a little talk on integrity and how it like nurtures shame and guilt and then you're back using anyway so yeah so anyway so I OD the the paramedics come they take me to the Marina del Rey hospital I get out of the hospital I go back to the treatment I take a taxi back to the treatment center and they're like what happened? I was like, man, I was upstairs. Dude had some monsters or whatever, energy drink. I drank it.

And someone must have put some heroin in and set me up. The story sounds so dumb. I'm almost embarrassed that I said it. Right. Like, it feels embarrassing now saying it. And my P.O. didn't buy it for shit. Right. But my counselor bought it.

And she was, like, rooting for me. And because I was doing pretty good, you know. Like, all my assignments were good. I was being honest, because I was trying to get better. So, Pio comes to the thing the very next day. He's like, take a walk. So we walk on Venice Beach Boulevard, you know, the boardwalk, you know. You've seen it on movies where everyone's crazy.

It's Venice Beach, anyway. So he's like, come on, take a walk with me. So we walk. He's like, you're full of shit, bro. You're full of shit. He's like, the only reason why the marshals aren't here with me is because, Because of Latanya. Latania believes in it.

She was this black lady. Super cool. Super smart. I really don't think she bought it, but she was rooting for me. Right. So she just told him, no, let's just let him see how he does. And he said, she believes you. She wants to see how you do.

So, I mean, what does it matter to me if you go to prison now? If you go to prison later, either way, because you're either going to do good or you're not going to do good. So he let me, he let me get. And, dude, I became, like, the house coordinator. I was killing it. You know what I mean? I became a leader of the house. All right.

And so I was there for four months. I graduated. It was super emotional. I got lots of pictures. I'm, like, big and fat and healthy. And I got lots of pictures of that time. It was just, I felt really good. My girlfriend didn't leave me.

Yeah, I had a girlfriend during that time, too. This girl named Gloria. and she was like a Mexican hot rod pin-up girl with tattoos and stuff and I just told her I took Vicodin so sometimes I'd fall asleep when we were watching movies and but I had to be honest with her in treatment and she stuck by me man

but she would always tell me she'd be like oh false advertising false advertising when we first started dating you said you were this you said you were that but you were a junkie and blah blah only when she would get mad at me or think I was cheating on her right she woke me up one time and with my phone and hit me in the head when I was sleeping.

We had been out playing pool and drinking and she hit me in the head. She's like, what the fuck? What is that? And it was like this like automated general email like went to some like a back page page or something. Right. That was in my emails.

And like I never did anything like that. Right. And I was like, I have no clue what that is. You're being crazy. And she like threw it at me. Went to pour bleach on my computer. and dude she was crazy but I stuck with her

because she stuck with me and I did I lied to her about everything and so three or four months go by and we're not getting along and I start

and I relapse one of my friends from treatment he lived in Venice Beach I went and checked on him one time and he was just high and her and I had been arguing and I was like man let me let me just take a hit off that

he's like are you sure bro I don't want to be the one Everyone always says that. I don't want to be the one to get you started back. Like, look, it's either you or someone else. Might as well get high with you, right? And so anyway, I got high and I couldn't stop, you know. And it sucked, dude, because, like, that treatment center, I feel like I did some good work there. But I just wasn't ready, I guess, you know?

And so, anyway, I started using again and was, like, trying to beat my UA's and missing them. And finally, they were just like, hey, we. if you get a, if you figure out another treatment center for you to go to, we'll let you go to that, but we just need to come down to signs of papers. I'm like, all right. So I went down there, signed some papers, nothing happened. I was like, okay, they're going to let me do this treatment center. The next day, my P.O. was like, hey, dude, you forgot to sign this one sheet.

You didn't sign, look at the back. I'm like, all right. I get down there. They were waiting for the warrant. The judge was out that day. Couldn't sign the warrant. So they let me go. and come back, well, I got drugs on me, you know, syringes, drugs, heroin, math.

And I get there and, dude, it was like they came out of the ceiling. It was just like, boom, they were there. They're like, just calm down, calm down. I was like, I'm calm. You guys are excited. And what's crazy, I went to take a piss when I was in there. And one of the marshals that came and take a piss next to me, but he was just doing that to make a sure I wasn't bailing. And so anyway, so.

I got dope sick in jail, down in Santa Ana. But they had to lock me up because I'm a gang member. I couldn't be in regular population. But I was with other gang members. And they all had drugs. And they seen I was Malias. You know, hey, homie, you Malias. You Malias.

I was like, yeah, man, much Malias. Mucha Malias. He's like, okay. And he sent me a piece, you know, got me well. And, but I end up getting sick and PROMP. And do you ever go to promp in your travels? Yeah, it's like a whole. holding center now.

So anyway, so I went up back to prison on a violation. But I had to go all the way back to Montana because that's where I was sentenced. So whenever I violated, I had to go back to Montana, see the judge, and then go to prison, and then come back out. Well, this time, does she let me go back? No, she didn't let me go back that time. She said, you've got to stay in Montana. because every time you violate, I'm not going to come get you and fly you back just so you can see me.

And I was like, I ain't saying in Montana, Montana, I hate Montana. I was like, well, you have no choice. So anyway, so I end up staying in Montana. They put me in a halfway house. I meet a girl. She's shooting pills. She wasn't when I first met her, but she was a pill shooter. And I was tattooing at a tattoo shop in Montana.

And every time she'd need to get high, she would come get money from me. but finally I was like I was over it I was like dude I'm done but I had met someone on my violation and he was like he would always talk about counterfeiting they always dude he was like man you do this you do that you take the purple cleaner and do this or you can do an acetone bleach wash

but the pan gets hot and you you know you can take a soft brush toothbrush and you know because we were washing ones right and man that's like the perfect way to do it though you know I mean it's a dumb crime but it's really like trying to find paper. You know, I've heard guys, you know, I get 50% this, 40% that, linen, you know, I had paper sending in from here, from China, this and that. I'm like, dude, just wash a one.

Why not just wash a one? But, you know, maybe they know about it at that time or I don't know, or maybe they're just trying to do too much at a time. They're trying to do it bigger than washing, you know, 10 ones at a time. So I figured I could figure that out, right? So I started doing that washing ones And first I was using the bleach It was really hard to get it You tore up the paper a lot The paper got really like

Brittle And because the toothbrush And the chemicals would take layers of the paper off So it would just get too thin So you know But they looked really good So sometimes you get used I made the old ones

Of course not the ones with the blue stripe And the 50s were always perfect Those always passed Because I don't know They didn't scrutinize the 50s now in Billings, Montana, they scrutinize 20s. If you look shady and you hand them a 20, they're going to hit it with a marker.

And now they have like ultraviolet light or whatever, like a little thing that can stick them in. So anyway, I was doing that with her. Just, you know, I was just making them and she was passing him and buying her pills. And one time I said I was going to stop making them for her and I did stop for a while. But I went back to making them for it.

And the first time I went to make her, like, 10, I was washing some ones at my new condo. But I had a roommate, and she gave herself last July. She was my best friend. And that really sucked. But anyway, Christina. And that's a whole other thing. But she was under investigation for selling math. She had stopped, but they hit her house when they hit her.

She was my roommate, so it was our house. So they hit it, but they caught me and my girlfriend coming out. And they're like, you know, who are you? And I'm so-and-so. And her stay PO was there. Oh, you know, Miss Lance, and I'm good to see you. What are you doing? She's like, nothing.

What do you? She always talked shit to her POs. I used to hate it because I'd be like they're hiding in the closet because we weren't supposed to be together. And she'd be like, what the fuck are you here? One in the morning. And I was like, dude, shut up. I'm like hiding in the closet.

Right. And so anyway, I had just washed a bunch of ones with the purple degreaser. You, like, boil it in a microwave. And then when you pull them out, dude, the ink just like falls off. You just hit it with the soft brush, electric toothbrush, a little bit. And it's a clean one. You can print them. So I had a bunch of washed ones on the ironing board because I would iron them flat.

Because if you didn't iron them flat, they would, when you put them in the printer, they wouldn't be, like, you know, flat. To go through the sheet, to go through the roller. But for some ways, I just started ironing them. Yeah, oh, yeah, because I used to put them in a book wet and let them dry in a book. But I just didn't want to wait. So I blew dry them, and they'd be a wrinkle when you blow dry them, and then I would iron them flat. And so anyway, the FBI Safe Streets Task Force hit her.

When they went to search the house, in my bathroom, there was a bunch of washed ones on the thing. And they asked me what I was doing. I said I was making these coupons that look like money for tattooing. And so like, because when I would make other coupons, they would, they would lose them. But I figured if it looked like money, they would just put it in their wallet like money. And they would always have that coupon and they would come get a tattoo someday. Even if it was a year later, they would still have that coupon, you know, in their wallet. Right.

And, dude, I came up with that, like right then and there. I didn't, it might sound corny now, but it worked. Right. and uh but my girl had a fake hundred in her wallet so when because they took her to jail for a probation violation for being in a known drug house and uh but she but she there was no drugs there they didn't find anything but they told them the only thing they found was my counterfeit and uh we laughed about that for a long time but it's stupid the um the uh what was i oh yeah so she they booked her into jail she had a fake hundred the cops caught it and

in booking, and so they realized that that was fake. My P.O. calls me that night. He's like, hey, they got a counterfeit 100 off your girlfriend. You sure you weren't making counterfeit money? I was like, no, I'm sure. He's like, well, come see me tomorrow at 1 o'clock. I'm like, all right, I knew I was going back. I knew for sure.

They're going to charge me with counterfeiting. Counterfeiting up to, like, I can't remember how many hundreds of thousands or close to 100,000 is like a, it's almost like a federal misdemeanor. You get nine months. Yeah. and uh but you get you get a little extra time if you have the uh it was it called uttering but yeah but if you have the printer you get like five extra months for having the device that made those but they have to match it but of course it did it matched it i didn't you know i didn't change

printers i knew to change printers before but i wasn't even trying to do it again i had stopped doing it for her and uh so anyway so if i knew i was going back so i got all my you know fares it took my car. I had this, like, little TR7 Triumph, had a Mustang engine. It was cool. It was super a little, cool little car. And, uh, yeah, I just went and knew I was going back. Um, so I went and seen him. He's like, you know, hey, we got a warrant. And marshals came in. He's like, uh, you're going to do your, uh, your violation first. And then, you know, we'll see where they're at with the, with the investigation with the counterfeiting. They want to make sure they have all of it. Right.

Because they, you know, there was a bunch that got passed in Bozeman, Montana, which is like three hours away from where we lived. And so they just want to make sure they have all of it. So anyway, so I just sat out. They did my time. They gave me six months. So I never even left the jail. And finally, they, they indicted me. How much time?

Yeah. I got nine. I feel like I got 14 months. I could look that up. Yeah, I think I got 14 months. But they, I got a lot of time served. from the time that my my probation violation ran out or somehow i think it linked over a little bit for the way they filed it or something but i did go back but i only went back for like four months

and then they gave me like six weeks halfway house because i was yelling and screaming about being homeless um so uh no they gave me halfway i only gave me halfway house the first time my first violation I yeah I thought I was going to be homeless on that that last time and when I got off the plane so I wouldn't did my time nothing happened there but I did it at a low and they locked me up when I first got there because of my gang affiliation right um in big springs big springs uh Texas um yeah they locked me up right away they were like wait you can't walk this yard you're crazy we're gonna find you somewhere I was like man only got a couple months so sas came and talked to me I was like I had to sign this thing I won't beat up any chomo's um last

He's like, yeah, I'm not going to beat up any of the hole. So they let me out of the hole. So they let me out. There was some good dudes there. I still talk to a couple of those guys from there. And anyway, so I get out. I think I'm going to be homeless. But as I'm getting off the plane at the airport,

there's this dude standing there with a sign that says Yarbo. It's in my name's name is spelled right. So I like, I walk by him. He's got this little dog, old man. And I was like, stop. Hey, do you mean Yarbo? bro? He's like, yeah, Sam? I was like, yeah, that's me. He's like, hey, I'm Ken, Ken Cotrell. I run a transitional living home, a Christian transitional living home. He's like,

yeah, your P.O. got a hold of me. He said you were worried about being homeless. Well, I got a spot for you to live. I was like, wow. I knew nothing about it. Right. And man, I was like so relieved. I was so relieved because my plan was to go get drunk, turn myself into my P.O. Go see the judge and let the judge just discharge me right because i still had a ton of paper still it took me 10 years to do five years paper yeah i just got off like a year and a half ago okay um yeah but it took me 10 years totally stupid so anyway so i lived with him for a little bit and um got saved and man it was an amazing thing i did have another relapse and i went back for a little bit um but when i when i came out of that we know i didn't go back for that one but i did have

i did i was on i did have some state paper because oh yeah i skipped that part so during the counterfeiting i also got a state charge for a dirty spoon for possession okay but they just gave me like four years suspended for that but it was my girlfriend's spoon i i was clean at the time and my my fed p.o even tried to tell like no he's he was given us clean you guys he's like well he got charged with it he can either fight it or whatever but they finally came with the suspended so I was like yeah I won't even fight it

um so anyway so I I was living there I relapsed had to leave there went back to jail and they were trying to figure out what they're going to do with me they end up sending me to this four month

treatment program called true north and that's where like the real change happened I um I was fell back on my Christian beliefs you know, started reading my Bible and praying, was hanging out with other Christians from this church called Emmanuel Baptist,

and just had a real good support group. I finally, like, truly mourned my wife, and it happened in an anger management group, of all things. I was in an anger management group where I didn't even think I needed to take. I didn't feel like angry. I had no violence in my record. But, you know, some prison violence. but um nothing outside of right i was to say but you know that was all okay acting you know right

in my eyes you know um so uh yeah yeah i did true north of support group got out of true north and um was doing really good was going to church um was talking at at the treatment center My little shame and integrity, little spiel, and I was doing really good with my sponsor having coffee. And this girl walks by and she's like, are you Sam? And I'm like, yeah. She's like, do you remember me, Mariana, Arthur's wife? And I was like, oh, yeah. She's like, well, Arthur's ex-wife.

I was like, oh, well, how's the little Arthur doing? It was one of my tattoo clients' wife. Right. And she's like, well, I want to get a tattoo. Anyway, so I went and did an art consultation with her. And we never got to the tattoo. We just talked about God and life. And we talked about just life and, like, just being a spiritual being.

And it was just a really good conversation. Well, we ended up just being inseparable. And we fell in love. How long goes that? That was four years ago. Yeah, four years ago. And maybe three years. three and a half we've been married for three so yeah so um yeah just pretty amazing pretty amazing

thing um you know we're struggling now you know there's a big age difference um and and i and i really struggled with that in the beginning but you know our pastors say you fall in love with you fall in love with you know she's a lot older than you yeah no i'm a lot older than her it's like a 26 year age difference. Oh, wow. Yeah. That is. Yeah. My wife's 18. Huh? My wife's 18 years. 18 years difference. Oh, okay. Yeah. She seemed really cool. Like, just on vibe. She seemed really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Um, um, 26. Sheesh. Yeah. And it's a and now, you know, I'd be like dating Mary Shelley. Like, what's going on? What? Yeah. Yeah. Um, but you know, I think she's just mature enough and I'm just immature enough where we meet a little closer, you know? Right. Because I'm still super silly i'm super like you know all over the place and and um but i'm sober you know and

um and i have god and and i just truly just um think this is the best i've ever been i really feel like i'm my most authentic self that i've ever been and and i i don't like using that word authentic self because it sounds so treatment or so therapy i didn't really hear it in treatment but i i see a therapist every tuesday and uh yeah Yeah. We were trying to find my most authentic self. And even before I, my wife, I don't believe that before she was killed, I don't think I was very my authentic self. I was a super workaholic. I didn't treat her the best, you know. I just wasn't present mostly. And I used to get emotional about that. And she deserved better than me, you know, even though I wasn't a drug addict. But I feel like I was an asshole. And I just feel, I just feel as close as I can be to my most authentic self as I am now.

I am now. I tattoo and I just try to spend as much time with my family as possible. Now, my wife doesn't believe that. She thinks that I'm just obsessed with tattooing, obsessed with YouTube, because I started a YouTube channel called legal live wire. It used to be called All Rise Legal Network, but I just do like court hearings and I do some commentating. I want to

do more commentating and maybe even do I don't know if I'm going to do it like in TV series like form, you know, or do it live. I talked to Kobe a little bit about it during our little break. So I got some ideas and he gave me

some good advice so like I'm going to try to make some changes and you know. But it's pretty cool uh i have almost 9 000 subscribers now nice um yeah i got that takes that takes a while it well i got my first 4 000 like in 4 months something like that nice but i was posting all the time and i was doing lives and and uh you know had a little community started a discord discord's super confusing for me um i don't understand like i i don't feel like it's a good fit for me you know so i don't do it too much, but they say you

should. I've only heard about it. I don't really know what it is. It's kind of a nightmare. It's like servers and communicating. It's it can be a lot. It's just like little, it's like a group where you go into and there's a bunch of mini, like mini groups, little subpages

within this page that you go to, you talk to people. So you would have I can barely handle doing the answering comments. Yeah. Oh yeah, me too. Yeah. Me too. Yeah, it's it's a lot. So if we had one be like guest request general chat latest episode chat yeah whenever you do it episode you would come on and talk about it with everybody and there so it's it's it's kind of confusing

in the law tube you know um niche it's kind of it is kind of an important thing you can grow your your channel with it but it would have to do exactly what he said you know after after i would air my you know publish my episode and you know people people start watching it you know then I'd be on there available to talk about it or you know sometimes I will put you know let's discuss on discord after after it you know um and I tried it for a little bit but it's hard it's hard to keep up with everything you know with tattooing family that um trying to find some self health uh self care you know I used to work out I'm like as skinny as I've been ever like I'm almost as skinny as I when I was using um yeah I I usually say

stay around 2.45, 250, and I think I'm like at 215 right now, 22 maybe. You know, my shoulders are shrinking. I feel like my arms of shoe strings, you know. But that's all ego, you know, but, you know, we like to be healthy and fit and look good in shirts and, you know, I know you know, because you look so good in shirts. We posted, you know how we've been, we've had to post a few repurpose videos. Yeah. There's a comment. I don't know if you saw it. Someone said, man, Matt's arms are shrinking because there was a video. Oh, don't say that. Oh, yeah, yeah.

We'll get in our head about that forever. Not forever, but you. Listen, I, you know, Bean Shooter? Yeah. You see what he's doing this weekend? No, what? He's in like Columbia or something getting surgery. Yeah, yeah, no, I already saw it.

He already got it. I sent he sent him into videos. That's what I was going to say. He literally, we did a thing. Somebody left a comment. No, someone left a comment in our video that said, holy bat or holy turtle or holy um uh holy turkey net uh turkey neck bat man and he said listen he said i got so upset about it he flew and and had the surgery done he needs to come

he needs to come here again and explain it yeah i'm waiting to see how it looks that'd be don't i know i've been watching did you see how they did it i know i just saw i just seemed like a a couple of a story and I'm trying to look bro I got I'll show you the video that they went here here here and down so it's like a big zigzag

and then they're gonna and then they're gonna tie it all it so I want to see how it looks and how it heals how it looks like oh listen they he was he's got a video of it I mean I'm like he's him in the I was I'll show you yeah that's dope

I mean I guess how old is he gotta be similar so they get around to ours he's about my age Yeah, he is. No, he's, is he my age or a little, I want to say he's, he's, he might be a tad younger. He's a little bit younger, he's a little bit younger, a few years younger.

He is funny. Man, we didn't even know who, we didn't even know who he was, really, when he was coming. And listen, after that episode, he was, he was hilarious. And what's so funny is I, I think he's funny, right? Which my, my wife already kind of thinks I'm kind of a dirt bag. So the fact that I think he, that his humor is funny. it really upsets her. What really sent her over the edge is the fact that Colby thinks he's funny.

Oh, yeah. And she's like, I don't even think I know who Colby is. Yeah. She's that he laughs about this guy and thinks this. And she's in that he's following him. She's like, I don't think she's like, I have an image of, she has an image of Colby as this really wholesome kid who's, you know, married his high school sweetheart and had two kids. is just the nicest, sweetest guy and the fact that he'll laugh at

anything that Bean Shooter puts out upsets her to her core. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, he's just kind of, maybe, maybe you're wrong. Maybe he is kind of funny. She's no, no, no. Yeah, she can't be.

Yeah. She's upset because the homeless guy, the homeless guy, he'll go, hey, buddy, hey. Now, he's obviously has an issue with this homeless guy. Hey, buddy, I got you some coffee. Got you some coffee. And as the guy comes towards him, him to get the coffee, he just dropped it on the ground, like,

kind of chucks it and throws it on the ground. Oh, shit. So it's like, it's a dick move, but there's obviously, he does it to him all the time. The guy's like, you. They're like, nah, come on. I was just around the other day. I got you, bro. I know it's cold out here. And the guy I'll start to come through and he'll be like, here, and he'll throw it at him. Oh, no. He's just, you know, and

you know, and unfortunately, it is comical the way he does it. And I'll have to see the way dick, because it sounds shitty. It does sound shitty. It does sound like, yeah. I try to show one of my buddies. I was like, dude, look at this. And he's like, man. He's like, man, that's messed up. Shit.

Yeah. Matt's been sick. If you could just explain, like, in a minute, like one minute, 90 seconds, what you did, I basically used as a TikTok. Try to use it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'll do it.

I'll try to do it kind of funny. Yeah. You could, uh... I'll just do it natural and you can edit it. Yeah, if you do it and just pretend, if you put... Like, pretend I'm talking to him. Pretend you're talking to Matt right there. And then it'll just be on you and I'll, and I'll just be on you and I'll, and I'll,

make a TikTok out of it. Yeah. That'll be good. Okay, cool. I would start by saying what you stole Ben Stiller's credit card information or something like that. Yeah. If you just say that and then tell you to tell whatever.

Say, yeah, and then I still Ben Stiller's credit card. Yeah, yeah. And then I'll make a TikTok out of that. Okay, cool. Is he good? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, then, dude, I still have been Stiller's credit card.

Yeah. Dude, yeah, dude, I was driving these escorts around. Well, I got in really close with the madam. It was like Tiffany's exotic dancers or something. And, dude, so I was staying with the madam because we would like smoke every once in a while. And I was always hitting on her, but she would never, you know, hook up with me. She actually hooked up with a friend of mine for like a long time. But anyways, yeah, so she would have this book with all these credit cards because these guys would call in.

And this is like in the heart of Hollywood. And we would drive these girls to Beverly Hills to, you know, Calabasas. Well, anyway, I was looking through the book, and I seen Ben Stiller's name and then his credit card number. And I was like, well, that's probably got a pretty decent limit. So I bought a computer. I sent flowers to my girlfriend. And my girlfriend knew I didn't have any money.

So she called the florist, but I used Ben Stiller's name to buy him because, you know, I don't know if they check the name or whatever they do for the credit. So I just used his name. And then so she called the florist. And he said, yeah, Ben Stiller sent you those flowers. And when I went to take credit for the flowers, she was, dude, she broke up with me. She was like, you're disgusting. You just like, bought me two dozen roses with like someone else's credit card and it

was Ben Stiller's credit card. She was like, you're a piece of shit. That's perfect. Cool. That's pretty good. I felt like I was acting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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