Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Fraudster Roundtable: The Best and Worst Scams of 2024

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

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Buy your tickets now. I get a free chili dog. Chili Dog, not included. The Naked God. Tickets on sale now. August 1st. The best scams are when the victim thinks he's getting over on you. I don't like to have to convince somebody of anything in order for me to get paid. I enjoy speaking to the people because I'm going to manipulate you.

When he said no driving, he meant don't get caught driving. I'm breaking the law. Who's going to stop me? Are you going to sign an officer to me every time I step out of the house? I got to come take the car. He's better to go to sleep at any time. Where did he go? Can you think of a scam that would work?

I wanted to hear Boziak's opinion of what you offered as opposed to what I offered on the mail-in bullshit? He's going to back me up. Okay, let's see. So run the scam one more time for me. All right. So somebody's sending out letters to people telling them that someone died and you're going to, you can get part of the inheritance.

Here's my issue with any. I'm one of those people that the scams. I don't like to deal with people. Okay. I don't like to have to convince somebody of anything to, in order for me to get paid. Because I just, I just, I clam up and I have that anxiety inside of me. like most people that do that i mean i'm not talking shit they're drug addicts most people that do those kinds of scams are have been lifelong drug addicts and for whatever reason those those people

i do have that that that that mechanism inside of them that they just don't get embarrassed they don't get ashamed they can say anything to anyone and try and convince anyone of anything because that's what they've been doing their whole life to get their drugs so it's like i just don't have that in me i don't feel like i had that mechanism in me i can't walk up to somebody i don't know and try and convince them but that's up to eight either A, to commit a crime openly, or B, that somehow I have a bunch of money that I'm going to give. Because, listen, anybody with two cents that rolling around inside of their head is going to smell scam from a mile away. But that's not the scam. That's not what he did. That's

not the question. Well, we already know this is a scam that we're, it's called the Nigerian friend scam. Well, right, but we're saying the different, I'm explaining. I don't know. I would like to see. You're right. Honestly, I know you guys think this is such a great scam, but I honestly would like to see the statistics on how many times this actually, that they actually get money at all. That's what I'm saying. No one thinks it's a good time. I don't think it's a good time. Listen, it's what's called the Nigerian print scam. No, I understand the Nigerian prints. It's been around for a long time. Right. So what I'm saying, what I'm saying, what I'm saying, what I fell for it. You kind of fell for you, you were taken in a little bit, but you didn't fall. If you'd fallen for it,

you would have paid. Yeah. So here's what, what I'm saying is that is the difference is I'm saying the scam in general, I don't like it. But if you were going to do it, if you, if you, if you, If they tweaked it a little bit, it's easier to tweak it by saying, because it was a law firm that contacted him. Well, you can make it look like anything. Right. Their problem is the letter did not look like a letter from a law firm. The guy that answered the phone did not sound like an attorney. The amount of money that they off that they...

So you're saying if somebody had this operation down to a T would work. Yeah, I think I think... If it was less money, because they were trying to get me for $10,000. And he's saying if it would have been like $450. But trying to convince somebody that they have an inheritance coming, but you need to give me money first before you get the inheritance. I just think that's, I don't think that's even. I think you don't understand it.

I think it's crazy. I think that's the most insane thing ever. What it is is the guy is saying, hey, listen, this isn't really rightfully yours. Your name is close to. So you're trying to convince someone to commit. fraud. That makes it even worse. Yep. Cool. That makes it even worse.

But if you were in, yeah, if you were inclined to participate, then that's where he grabbed, because that's where they grabbed me. Because it's like, hey, this is $11 million. It's the carrot. And I'm like, are you, so you're saying this woman dying, that this is legal, this is legal.

I've been able to trace your lineage and somehow you're loosely related to this guy. So it's legal. We're going to go through all the legal steps to get you this money. My firm knows how. Yeah.

I just need you to pay. To me, that's just such a hard sell. Like it's complicated. It's a hard sell. And you're calling. It's random people in the U.S. You're not.

People are going to be like, what the fuck is there? What the fuck is this? You're not listening. What we're saying is, what we're saying, I understand what you're saying, but you're not listening.

This is something that does happen and it does work. It's worked for a long, I'd like to see the statistics on that. What the question. And they all got to be seniors. They got to be, They're people that are just absolutely retarded or they're in 90 years old. The question is this.

The question is, if you were running that scam, which one do you think would work better? Asking for, which one do you think you'd make more money at? Asking $10,000. Asking for a large amount. It's the lower amount. The lower amount. Always the lower amount. You're going to get more people to pay the lower amount than the few people that are going to pay the $10,000.

One, most people just don't have it. But he targeted, he targeted people. I understand, but they don't, they don't, they don't, like, right, but they don't typically target roofers. They typically target just in general people, but they've tweaking, they're tweaking that scale. But how many, okay, so let's look at it in just sheer numbers. How many people, how many people fall victim to the crime, how many times are they successful over, over not? So if you, if you, this is a scam that works a lot, then you can hit a bunch of people for low amounts of money to get you, to get you to get you to the amount that you want.

But if this is something that barely ever works, then I see them going for the high amount. Well, I think it works because your friend, when he's like all right god who's calling who falls for this like i can't i can't imagine the like what is this like what's going on i can tell you right now you know who falls for this uh oh me no no no the average person i'll tell you right now did you watch casey anthony's trial yes remember her father was a former police officer yes he paid like seven or eight thousand dollars to a scam like this are you serious absolutely it was in the trial it was like it was this embarrassing thing that he they got on there they had to admit that they'd had financial problems why

did you have financial problems oh yeah because he'd been taken in by the by the by the Nigerian print scam and he paid he paid like six grand and then they came back and they got him again total i think it was like 15 grand so i got a little story average people fall for it this kid this kid i used to work with i worked for for a very short period of time when i lived in los angeles i worked at a company that built uh furniture out of mahogany like really high end uh you know one chair was like five grand. But this kid was a moron. This kid was an absolute dip shit. He worked in the warehouse. He just moved boxes around, you know, just just an absolute idiot. This guy somehow, where am I going to start in the story? Okay, so we used to have these lifts in the warehouse. And it was just like

a long platform and you can go all the way up and pull the furniture off the top onto the platform and lower yourself down. When you get on these lifts, you're supposed to put on a harness and clip yourself off in case you fall off the side of the platform, you don't smack your face on the ground and die. You don't go all the way down. Well, this idiot didn't wear a harness and he was up there, fell off the platform, smacked his face on the ground, on the cement, busted his head open, had a bunch of stitches, sued the company, and won. The company then, after they paid him out, let him come back to work. For whatever reason, I don't understand this. They hired him back. so he gets a phone call one day by someone claiming to be the IRS

saying that you need you didn't you owe us X amount of dollars and if you don't go down to the store and get gift cards Visa gift cards right now and give them to us What did somebody's gonna come to your house and arrest you This motherfucker went down to the store got seven thousand dollars in gift cards and went back and gave them to the person over the phone Yes and in my mind I'm like oh my god are you kidding me like you didn't like how dumb do you have to be like because I know right away like that's insanity to even to even do something like that's insanity you know i've met people who've done that but this kid was dumb like and i'm like okay well this is the type of person that

falls for these scams i mean this kid was just a moron he didn't he didn't have any common sense at all you know what i mean barely could keep up his personal hygiene it's one of those kids you know what i mean constantly high smoking dope all day all day long and i'm like oh my god and that's crazy to that people fall for i fell for that like you ask him but that's a diamond in the rough How many people do you got to go through before you find that one idiot? And that's the whole goal of fishing. That's the goal of fishing.

Where they pass out the CDs on the Hollywood Boulevard and out in California. I was green. I didn't know that there was all bullshit and there was nothing on the disc. Here, man, support my music. You know, like they're supposed to be a rapper. And then they hand you the CD

and they're like, oh, I'm accepting donations. And then if you don't, and if you don't give them the money, they create like a big scene and all this other shit. So I gave the dude $20. And then I got in the car and put the disc in it. I'm just like, are you kidding me, this asshole put he's just out there with bullshit, see?

Like, I didn't know. I don't even think that's a, I don't know. That's a street scam. Yeah, that's a street scam. I don't even, that is a scam, but I kind of feel like that's just, that's a small when you're talking about. Not that you got over. That's the small when you're talking about.

No, because I'm thinking that this guy, this guy's an artist. I'm going to see, he's a rapper. I'm going to support his music. Right. And then you get it and it's just like some Indian shit. Right. Like, oh, he got me. But look at all.

If you think about all. the work he put into getting like where did he buy all those CDs putting them in cases label them all yeah he did a lot of work to get whatever you get so that's just kind of like what you're talking about that's the small scam you're talking about yeah he's probably getting five people an hour yeah it's like a hundred bucks an hour out there and if he stays out there and if the guy comes back and yells at him he'll be like you don't like you don't like you don't give back any you know where they do they call the cops he packs up and leave technically I don't think he's breaking the law to be honest

That's why they're out there doing it. Right. So I felt for it. I felt for it because I just had no idea. But I don't think. It seemed like a legitimate thing. That's true. I mean,

I wouldn't compare it. What were you going to say, Matt? Oh, it's going to say that, you know, I think, I don't even feel like that's really a scam. I wouldn't feel stupid for giving them $20.

Well, have you ever felt for a scam? No, you know, I think probably the closest I've come is like, and you've, I know everybody's been approached by this person, not the same guy,

but the same kind of kind of guy. where they're like, excuse me, man, you're with your girl. Hey, man, I got to talk to you real quick. Look, I'm not, I'm not like a bum or nothing. I got a job. I work in Orlando and this, and you're in Ebor City. And he's like, the problem is I came. I drove here with a bunch of guys.

We got to do an argument. They left me here. I'm stuck. I can get a bus ticket back for 30 bucks. I got like 25 bucks. If you give me $10 to get me back, just give me your address. I'll send you the money back. Junkies all over.

Right. And you're looking at, and you know, you kind of look at him. You're like, listen. There's $10. I'm going to give you the 10 bucks because I get it and not but I don't want you and I even said but I don't believe that no no no I don't believe that because here's the thing what kind of a human being are you that you can't pick up the phone and call someone to send you money or drive from Orlando to pick you up there's a reason why all those bridges are burned right so it's a scam it's bullshit but I am with my girl here's $10 you know what I'm saying like there's a twist on that scam by the way So if you ever pull up to a gas station and you have somebody say, oh, I'm completely, they're parked by a pump.

I'm completely out of gas. I'm stranded. I don't have no money. I just, all I need is like $10, $15 you can put in the gas tank for me. He's like, you only got to give me the cash. You can just go in there. So you go in there, you tell the guy, like 20 on five. So then they act like they're pumping the gas, but they don't pump the gas.

And then you leave the gas station, they go back in there and they get that $20 from the attendant because they didn't pump the gas. So they got me a couple times on that one. he's getting exposed that type of stuff works on... Oh, I think I've got to go over one scam on that day. That type of thing works on people with good heart.

Yes. They pray on people like that. Oh, absolutely. Like, they see me and, you know, I'm hopping out of a jaguar or whatever. Hey, bro, you know, such and such, I turn and look and I see like a grown man. I'm like, bro, you should have got up earlier, got your ass to day labor.

You know your car doesn't run on hope. Get you some money. money. You're a grown man. Like, go get you some money. I'm not a donating motherfucker, bro. I'm not a donating, like, I go to Wawa and I see a grown dude with bigger muscles than me asking me for something. Bro, you're going to get high. Yeah. Why you ask me for a discount on something or something? You know, don't. I'm not going to give you so you can go get a plug. Fuck you. I'm just trying to get something to eat. No, you're not. Because if you were, you would have got up earlier. You knew you didn't have

no money when you woke up. You didn't wake up hungry. Yeah. You were really hungry. You didn't go out of day labor. You knew you had no money when you were you. Give me five bucks for gas. I was just going to ask you the same thing.

I drive a Jaguar or I got to do collie all less. It drinks champagne. You got five on it. You look like you got money. Well, I need it. I need to support this look. I got to maintain this shit. Fuck that.

You look. You're. You're just a friendly looking guy. Hey, he's smiling. He's probably wondering around smiling. He's thinking about the hundreds of thousands he's making on the city. Some people just have just a lot of empathy. A lot of people have a lot of empathy inside of them.

So they feel bad if they don't give it. Like, oh, because they, and that's where they take advantage. That's where those junkies take advantage. They, they, they, they snip those people out. Like, because they're all manipulators. They're all manipulators. Everybody. Yeah, so they know how.

You go on to Dillards. They're manipulating you. to apply for instant credit. That was a scam I was going to bring up, by the way. You go to Honda. I love it when they asked me for, would you like to start open a Home Depot credit card? My probation officer said I can't open any lines of credit while I'm on probation. They're like, oh, okay.

And they just keep going. Man, I made a living off of over, umbunctious back then, Macy's, Berdin's, dealers. Yeah, I would go in there. They want that commission. I've got the driver's license. I've got all my info right here. That was the scam I was going to bring up. I've got it all waiting.

And I'm just walking around. I walk around in the polo section. Back then, the Nautica section, you know. Hey, you want to try Instagram? I don't know. They still do that to the state, don't they, Instacredit? Yeah, but they don't aggressively try to solicit. They used to have.

They used to have podiums right outside of Dillards. And before you walk, hey, you're just trying to get out to your car. Yeah. Hey, we've got teddy bears, lollipops, just if you apply. Now they've definitely tried to catch you at the counter and sign up for the credit card. Yes, it's at the counter before you ring that out. That's why I always remember it at the counter. So what's, so it's credit.

That was the one I was going to bring up. Like you said, a scam would be instant credit where you would go into stores and try to buy something telling them it's outside of your budget. And then the store would say, well, hey. Book Club on Monday. Jim on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday. Out on the town on Thursday.

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You want to apply for one of our credit cards. and we'll extend you to credit that way you can leave here with whatever you want. So that's kind of a scam, but it's not like a scam against another person. It's kind of a scam against the company and the bank. You know what I'm saying? We have been talking about scams against other, like individuals. Well, how does that work? All right, the way it works is you get a fake ID of someone that has good credit,

someone you know that has good credit. Then you take that fake ID into like, Six was just saying, into a department store or a store, and then they ask you, hey, you want to apply for instant credit? All you need is the ID. So you show them the fake ID. You give them the person with good credit social and the date of births on there, and then they run it.

And they basically just base it off of their credit score. And if they have a good credit score, they issue them credit and allow them to purchase whatever they want out of the store. Me and my ex, we used to call that like, what is it, will a fortune, where you go, I'll take the flat screen TV. How much credit I have? 6,000. Take the flat screen TV for 2,850.

Then you move on it. What do I got left? The dinette set for 1,700. Loaded up in the truck. They go, well, you want it delivered? Yeah. You want it delivered? Yeah.

No, I already brought a truck. You bought, ironically. I happen to have a U-Haul with me. That's right. Ironic, and it's backed up at your dog. So that's the instant. So how do you, how do you get, where do you get the ID? That's a good question.

So, and what normally, most people have a plug for a fake ID. I heard you're going to start all those conversations with, I don't know, but I've heard. You know, I remember back. Yeah. When, when, when, when, when, when, when Zach and I did that exact thing, because that, that thing works. Oh. When we did that exact thing, I used to have his ex in my ear on the Bluetooth. Well, they upgraded it because at first, if they would go strictly off your credit score.

Right. Then I guess it became a problem. So they said, okay, well, we'll ask them some qualifying questions. Questions that only if you would know. Only the person would know. So when they started doing that, I'm like, well, I don't know where all that information. is and like I met someone in jail that told me oh that's just Lexus Nexus information I said are you kidding not credit file Lexus Nexus which tells you Lexus

Nexus it's like a detail it's a company where the government was actually taking information from all angles and compiling it into one source like Beth Boziak she's in what age range from 45 to 20 your automobile and tag where you've gotten mail where you've got the color of your car, phone numbers that you've listed on different documents, known associates, school, telephone numbers, right, yeah. You can, anybody can sign up with an account for Lexus Nexus right now, right? No, all that information. Well, you can, but it's expensive.

Yeah. And it takes certain certifications for a different company. Anyone can that fits certain criteria. You said I own a financial institution and you had a license as that institution. They would say, okay, that we can open an account because you have a license. Right. So you're going to put it in the description, I do A, B, and C, I'm bonder or whatever, and here's my this, and here's that, and then they're going to verify this stuff.

The people who use LexisNexis, the hardest is bail bondsman, in case you skip on a bond. So we're all your relatives live. And they're able to break down each. So, yeah, that's what he drives this guy, and the car color. That's what I used to see on those letters. So what would happen? Car color, everything. You go up to the cashier.

Also, you have to have people with good credit. So that also, it's something you have to obtain. So in order to pull it off, you have to have information of who has good credit. Right. They would qualify. And the second form of ID because they're going to want to swipe the card. I know with Burdines and all of that, they wanted to swipe the ID so I could get around. Oh, yeah.

That was the, those green dots. that's where the green dots yeah and really green dots and really all it is is you take a gift card or whatever type of cards so the green dot you can call and register those and put a name

to social security so that you can get things use it online and get things shipped to you right but all it is is putting that information on just like you're read or writer it's just putting that information in so when I don't have my driver's license I know the number I got my DL number all I happen to have

is my debit card for some reason. And they're thinking, Bing, Bing, Bing, because I need that second form. Yeah. So, and then then I would say, well, listen, we'll just run it just so I can get this free teddy bear. I doubt I'll get it anyway. Yeah, this whole scam. I'm not going to get it anyway, but let's just run it so I can get this free teddy bear.

And I've got this debit. And then all of a sudden, it process, because I know this guy's got a 780. So, oh, man, just here, just give me that. And then I'll just run to the house and get. I can't use this approval anyway with no ID so just get and they're going to give it because they want the bonus they want whatever it is

so they want their credit for getting you signed up so he's what he's saying is that they'll they'll let you they'll run the credit and approve you just on knowing what your ID and knowing all your personal information and a debit card so then you'll take the receipt becomes the credit card because then if

they scan the receipt it accesses their credit card account so when so he's like just give me the receipt I'll run to the house and get the ID for you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I just made $25 for getting you approved for a credit card as the clerk. Yeah, really, he does what?

Really, you do what? You go and you shop. Of course. You leave that store and go to another one. Because the whole purpose of their instant credit and they give you this, hey, if you spend today, you can get 10% off of your purchases.

Right. So I use that as, listen, I want to get this money. I'm kind of cheap. So I'm going to max this thing out so I can get the most savings. Today. Today.

And I'm definitely not going to do it there because the attendant knows I have no ID. I can go to another place and I'm the opposite of you where I enjoy speaking to the people because I'm going to manipulate you. And I can flash an ID. It doesn't have to be John Levensworth. Oh, because the name's not even on it. Yep. No.

It's just this receipt. That's how it was. That's how it was. So I can flash the ID. What was this like 30 years ago? No, no. This was 2005, six, seven. So it's 20 years ago.

Yeah. Yeah, this whole scam you guys were talking about just moved online. Because all of these websites started offering instant credit. Like Best Buy started doing it. Target started doing it. The Walmart started doing it. Target was our favorite. Yeah, everybody started doing it.

A thousand books. You apply for anything. They ask you like, you know, like what college did you go to? And they give you like four different ones. And you're like, oh, boom. And they're like, what color? where you, or did you have during this period of time? Oh, it was red. Then they asked you all these different, like, what mortgage companies have you ever had a mortgage with? And then they

give you, then you're like, oh, they get into that when there's some type of discrepancy in that instant credit portion immediately. Right. The key with what he had and what he was doing, when we're at that register doing the instant credit, I'm giving you the number that's on credit. I'm giving you the address. So all these key points match. Bing! Here's the instant credit. If there's some type of discrepancy, I got a new phone number, whatever small thing, there's that one discrepancy, yeah, go ahead

and call. That's what Target was like. So Burdine's and did all of them, they want you to call anyway. Circuit City. Circuit City. Circuit City. They want you to call anyway. You're going to call anyway. Michelle Obama's going to call.

And then that was where Madison, yeah. Oh, yeah. So we'd have the Lexus Nexus report, and we'd be outside and you'd have an earplug in. So when they call and ask you those questions, like what color was the such and such car that you owned and he would just repeat it back because she can hear you on the phone

she can't hear the person because you're actually on a telephone so she can't hear the person on the telephone so you just repeat the question back I remember what's so funny is I remember us talking about that you're like well how the hell is you going to hear the person on the phone I go repeat the question back oh what color

it is so loud Oh, you know, I switched around a couple of times. I would just repeat it because it's so loud in here. Yeah. So you said what college I went to? So what are the examples again? What college was I going to in 1996? That's the question?

Yeah. That was. And then I could literally hear Madison shifting around. I could see her and her in my head, like sitting on this hotel plush, hotel bed. Oh, no, no. We remember we were outside. One time we were outside, but a couple of times we're out in the car, but we might be.

Back at the house. During those times, they were anxious for the payout. We'd be in a U-Haul waiting and waiting. How small is the earbutt in your year? This was back in early 2000. It was huge. But just because I have that on, doesn't mean I'm on the phone. Everybody wore those back in the MEP.

I'm not hiding. I'm not hiding. I'm on the phone. They don't know that you're on the phone. It's just that I have the phone. attached. But I've got the bud in this year and a phone in this year. So remember the ones that went around your neck and you can just take the buds off

and put them in your ears and put them back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I believe Zach had a pair of those. Yeah, those were popular for a while. With the older. This is all prior to the iPhone, by the way. Yeah. This is all Blackberry.

Pre-2007. Yes. Blackberry time. Oh, yeah, I remember the Blackberries. Sure, absolutely. But yeah, you'd have to get, in order to get a fake ID, you generally, you have to know know someone that that was you that has a connector that made them and if you had them you would tell people like look I got them this much money and then you would get surrogates that let's say

you had a fake ID for $200. Mine were three. With three. Then I would tell everybody it's 400 because I'm going to make 100 because I'm going to deal like I'm going to be the middleman so I'm going to bring you customer bring it away and that's you put the word out. So generally people who are in the scamming arena know someone that's doing IDs. but I think my friend let me call it's it's kind of like you send the word out it's like you just go online now oh my guy I was I was bending online I think he's right yeah almost all my ideas you can do I mean you can do that now you know oh yeah a lot of those online IDs that come in I've heard are crap yeah they're like paper thin

they're advertising you know I've got holograms I've got you got to look at like this way if if you go to three different websites and you pay 400 bucks for the same ID from four different websites one of them four pieces of garbage well I think one of them probably good one of them well obviously you can go on you can look at the reviews are these decent are they you know so you're probably gonna get one let's assume you you pay 400 bucks to three different people as 1200 bucks and you get only get one decent ID for 1200 bucks that's worth it yeah you know I'm saying to get for the purposes of this decent ID so for the purposes of this

exercise we're assuming that the I all of this is gonna take an ID so we're assuming that we can get a hold of this good ID. Yeah, but I mean, you have to figure out where you're going to, you know, it's different what, what you guys would do, you know, you guys are banking on getting someone's information that has good credit. That, that also requires what I call mining. Yeah. So you'd have to ask like, where can I get?

And probably like now, you can buy it online back in 2000, early 2000. Like, dumpster diving and shit. Dumpster diving? Yeah. Or employees of banks and companies. You know you to know somebody. That's my thing. I'm going to find.

Oh, I was huge. Yeah. Back in the day. Anybody I meet like, what's your girl do? Yeah. All your guys is operations were an hour. Always. Oh, she's always.

Anybody. Ask him. Every single person that we met was a potential. Like, what is your girl? Especially in jail. Like, what is your girl? Oh, she works at you. Really?

All three of you guys. That's a part of the conversation. All three of you guys. What do you do for a living? All three of you guys, all of your operations were analog. Ooh. I'm probably right. Mine were all digital. Like I never had to interact with anybody ever.

I never had to convince anybody of anything. I never had to talk to anybody about anything. Nothing. Like I never had to rely on somebody being in a store or giving me information. Like that's just what separates. I think the crimes that I did between you guys, because you guys are more like, I know a chick that works here that she can get a sense information. Like I just never, like I never went that route ever.

So when I do, do these he was surveying people on the street these home title lock right commercials and I do interviews for home title lock and stuff where I get interviewed and that's one of the things I always mention is that I'm like when in in my day I physically had to go to the bank I physically had to go into public records I physically had to go to the title company I physically had to meet you know these guys that I'm serving like and and now it's like you could take your laptop and you can go sit in a start box and you can sit here, I can, I can go online and search public records and download

your, your, um, the deed to your house. I can open up bank accounts in the name of a fake ID. I can, I can apply for loans online. I can schedule loans and in all but 13 states, you don't even have to go to the closing anymore. You can go to, it's called, uh, they're called remote notary closings. So they send you all the documents. You then sign all the documents. They then have somebody come on who's a remote notary. Let me see your ID. Let me see your face that you do that whole thing. And then they notarize all the documents.

They then wire the money to the bank accounts that you have that you now have access to online. Like everything that I used to do in person is now able to be all of it. And now if they request any documents, I can make them and send them. You want my driver's license? Here you go. You want my birth certificate? Here you go. You want my high school diploma.

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So even back then, there were the virtual crooks. Like, there were the guys that, you know, were getting the numbers because I remember there were, we were trying to get credit card numbers to do this credit. And I've had guys that they were like, oh, yeah, I could get these, you know, cards online and stuff where with how we were operating and when I was operating, I would rather go get that credit card number. like I back then how I was getting my info like I would go to you know a hotel with a concierre that looked like he smoked me I could never I can never even approach anybody like that yeah but I'm super recruiting is my favorite it's it's it's a part recruiting is my favorite yeah you guys dig it I am I'm a blue collar yeah I'm puking in my mouth I'm way into the in the lobby I'm built different like I love that's a whole part of the allure yeah like going in and see and I love dressing the part, you don't know who I am until I tell you who I am.

And I can make whatever believable about whatever. That's why when Zach was like, hey, let's do it. I'm like, where have you been all my life? I can't wait to scam and fraud and put on this costume and become whoever it is, I tell you I am. Social engineering. My thing was, in order to get information, I would see you as this, he's probably with a little bit of the bullshit.

I would write my phone number. down on a hundred dollar bill and give you that with it. Hey man, listen, give me a call later, bro. It's about some money. I've never not had a return call. You know what the problem? You know what the problem? Most people look at that is that they think, oh, you give them the hundred bucks and he never calls. But what does it matter? If you give five, if you give out that to five different guys and one guy calls. Yep. And you make a hundred thousand dollars. And some people would be like, oh, you lost $400. I didn't lose $400. I knew I was going to lose $4.

It's the cost of investment. It's the cost of everything. Most people are nickel and diamond, though. I've never had people not call because it's the curiosity. Yeah. It's the curiosity. And I'm telling you in the intro, oh, it's nothing illegal, bro. It's just to have a job opportunity.

I had that happen to me one time in South Beach, but the dude wanted me to jerk off on camera. Well, I didn't know until I gave him a call later. He did the same thing with me, though. Same thing is he want to make a you want to make a hundred fifty hundred bucks. He's like he gave me his phone number and he walked off. Was he was this big old muscle when he handed you the money when he handed you the money did he hold your hand a little bit longer? No, you just seemed like a normal dude and then I called a week later.

He wanted me to come over and jerk off on camera. It's like fuck. That reminds me of the now what talk about a scam. And that's before only fans. This is like 2003. 2004. Good Lord. That reminds me of the...

So after you spent the money, what happened to say? I was going to say, do you still have a copy of the tape? Reminds me the... There was a girl coming up here saying she was going to give out a free blow jobs and a cup of coffee if I just, if you just gave her, what was it, some toilet paper. And they go, oh, my God, well, that's ridiculous. I know, I know. I think she went down by, down there over by Johnson.

Oh, yeah, and then he holds up by coffee coffee. She's got a cup. I saw that on a TikTok one time. since she was giving out a something like a Snickers bar and a blowjob. Right. And then he said, hold out to sing bar like, I think she went up there. Oh, that is so funny. I think she went that way. I was saying, you know what's so funny is that whenever people, so like one of my scams that I had done, that, that it's, it's funny because you still have, well, we were talking about this, you don't really have to see the person. Now, like, if you could, if you could convert that scam to,

today, for example, you don't even have to see anybody now. Yeah, that's the beauty of it. Yeah, and like you guys were like, you know, you need good credit. You need to get a dump that somebody has good credit. You can make the credit card. You can do all these things. You know, you still need somebody with good credit. But when I was doing it, and there were times I used people with good credit, or I created

people with good credit. But the easiest version was if you can eliminate somebody with good credit and just get like, you know like a homeless person's you're so right what in the way that's what end up having me going to jail like three times well the way people with good credit the way you do the way i would do that is is because if you have an asset then people want to lend to you not hey i want you to give me a credit card for $20,000 i could go and you know i used to have to i would go rent the house i would go meet the people everything but now because of like Airbnb and everything like now you can you could go survey homeless person get his information order an ID in his name from some

Russian website get the ID now granted the homeless person has seen you okay admittedly but the chances that they're going to track down a homeless guy three states away like if you go to if you go to Oklahoma and get get five guys and then you go to South Carolina and then all you have to do is you've got the ID you order an ID if you order 10 IDs what does it matter if I spend if I spend $4,000 and I just get one ID that's passable, that I can go into the bank or even go online. Because this guy's going to have an ID. You know, you can survey somebody and say, hey, yeah, yeah, I just need to get your ID. Oh, I don't have an ID.

Sorry, I can't use you. You just wait. You talk to 20 guys. You're going to get some guys that have IDs. You pay them 20 bucks. You fill out the survey. And you get all their information. And then you get somebody online to make that ID only with your picture on it because I got all his information.

So you open up a bank council? online and now you've got a bunch of several bank accounts online that are open and then you just apply i'm sorry you you then rent an Airbnb for two weeks and then you rent the Airbnb you call up several home several a hard money lenders like three hard money lenders to meet you at the Airbnb you know how hard money lender is yeah okay so like a hard money lender's like a like a like a a lender but he's not licensed because he's only lending his own money it's perfectly legal. It's like you've got a house for 400,000. They'll lend you 300,000. Is it like the title loan premise? Well, how do they put a lien on your property if they're

just a hard money lender? You have to go through a financial institution. No, no, no. Anybody can write it up and file. I can file a lien right now on my next door neighbors. Now, would it hold up in court? You know, probably not. But, you know, anybody can file, especially if I file a mortgage. It's fact, there's no contesting what's filed in public record. Yeah, there's none. It's just they record. It's not. And so what happens. And these, by the way, these, guys are all like they do this all the time you know they actually have a closing so and and somebody notarize it and they they record it and it's perfectly legal because they did lend you the money and you did sign the the mortgage so what i'm saying they have so who does that like a like a title

company a title company does it comes and does the closing they don't come in you go to them but yeah but in like you could actually just you don't even have to go they they certify oh i'm sorry i'm they notary yeah they certified there was a transaction and what's in public record is legitimate. Can just a notary public come and do it? Somebody. It's more than that because the money has to go from you, the hard money lender. It has to be wired to the title company. And then they create a document that says, hey, this guy wired us 300,000. He's giving us giving this guy a mortgage. And then I have to sign it and they notarize it. And there's a closing statement that shows like the title company got $1,100 to write a title policy and $500 to search the title. And they're going to charge $30 to

record it like they they show where all the costs go but in the end the money has to go from you the hard money lender to the title company and they get dispersed either by wire or check so i'm saying you could rent i could rent an Airbnb for two weeks i could then go online and take the the um the warranty deed i could check and see if there's any mortgages create satisfaction of mortgages record those online and I could then take that

warranty deed and transfer it from the true owner's house or name into the fake identity's name so now when the hard money guys show up and they look at the house they walk around the house and they go yeah this is worth about $400,000 and I'm like I've done this exact scam

like it's not they literally show up they walk through the whole house Appraiser. It's not, no, no, no, there is no, there's not appraisal. Yeah, there's not. It's just the guy who's going to give you the $400,000. That's the same thing we were talking about. Everybody thinks, the only reason you need an appraiser is if it's a bank, because

the bank's not there. This is this guy's own money. He doesn't want to pay $500 to an appraisal, an appraiser, because he really knows to get it. This is what I do for a limit, so I can find the value. I was going to say, why wouldn't he just send an appraisal, an appraisal. Why would he spend $500? Like, and not just, well, no, look at it like this.

Right now. You right now, in our neighborhood, how many phone calls would you have to... How do you find these hard money lenders? Right now, how many phone calls would you have to make to determine how much you think this house is worth? You know what the house across the street is selling for. Well, you could go online and look it up. Exactly. You know, but the house that's almost identical to this house is across the street.

It's selling for $430,000. But he's going to want to see the condition of the home. Right. That's why he walks through it. He's going to walk through it. He's going to walk around it. And then he knows where to go. Your basement.

And honestly, they usually lower it. too. Like you might be like, I can sell this for 430. And they're going to, but he's going to be like, I'll give you 400. I mean, what do I give a shit, bro? Like, it's all profit. So if he says 400,000, you go, okay, well, how much will you lend me? He'll go, I'll lend you 300,000. You go, okay, because there's two other guys coming. One other guy's coming in two hours. Another guy's coming in four hours. So you meet those guys. They all say the same thing. They schedule closings at different title companies. Those title companies search public records. And they see that you do own the property. and you bought it for 400,000, and this guy's going to lend you 300,000, and they put together

the closing document. This guy wires the money to each title company, gets a different wire from a different hard money lender. None of them know about each other. So if you get four of these guys, that's $1.2 million. And in this whole process, if somebody thinks something's wrong, you know what they do? They say, I don't feel comfortable. I'm not going to do it. So if you call four, but listen, I've done this. I did this in a, I did this in a, I did this in Atlanta. I've done this in, I've done this in Orlando. I've done this in, in, um, in clear water. But, oh, so analyzing that. I did this in, in, in, in, in, in Tallahassee. I knew I saw you. analyzing that, because everything is now online, because when you did it, I had to, they had,

none of it was online. Yes. And Boziac mentioned something to me when we were, that's kind of one of the things that kind of got me thinking about this is Boziac mentioned most of these, um, um, most of these Airbnbs, you don't, you never meet any of these guys. You never meet the owners you mean? Never meet the owners. You walk up and there's a little, a little keypad. You push the, you know, oh, it's 2-27 and then it opens up. Oh, my God.

You've got the key. That's it. I think I know what he's going to say. And so we can do it without even being there. I don't have to meet the guy that the hard money lender. I can just say, hey, listen, man, I'm not in town. I'm actually in L.A. right now. I'm going to be back in a few days.

You can go ahead and go in the lockbox on the door handle for you. Here's the combination. You can even tell. tell them, this is an Airbnb. I live in, I live in Houston, Texas. I just happen on I'm borrowing against it. And they'll, and you're going to say, because there's furniture and stuff in there, but it's an Airbnb and they're going to go, yeah, yeah, what's the code? 227. They're going to walk through the whole place, put it back, call you up and say, listen, looks good. I can do 300,000. You go, oh, okay, well, what's the rate you charge? I charge

14% plus 2% to, and you're like, ah, that's steep, but okay. Side note with that key box. So there's, their scams. all in Atlanta with people advertising on Facebook renting houses. I remember that. That's old. They were doing that back in 2000. They're giving them the deposit.

First months last month. First month. Renting houses. They've got the key box information. A legitimate lease agreement. Here's a lease agreement. So when you go in there, you're looking and everything and they've got the key

and let me know. The owner shows up like, what the fuck's going on? There was a shit. How horrible. To me, I would not. have the heart that's fucked up to do that to somebody oh that's that's nothing there was a chick that was inside how much did that the the girl got 350,000 dollars she leased a place for like a week and then she put it online for sale people were showing up and she was taking $5,000 $10,000, $15,000

deposit saying she was selling the house under market value and people are giving 15 grand 20 grand five grand just to hold it and they were writing a check to a title company but she owns she she just opened a bank account in a title company 350,000 dollars. This was a black woman wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What is that even? I'm just saying, you know, same. Well, I know that because I think her name was like, you know, Marquisa or something. I don't know. But anyway, she was her name was her name was $350,000. That is to me like, oh, what you're doing to a family? Or someone for money. You know, it's funny about that?

Messed up. Boziac goes, when we did it, Boziac said, because we saw the pictures of her and she's like 22 years old. And Boziac goes, no, it's not her. She had to have somebody else that knows what's going on that was in this. And sure enough, a week later after they arrested her, they arrested the other chick who was like 35 years old. But I looked at her and I could tell she wasn't the brains of the operation.

No, she was the face of it. Yeah. I knew immediately. And that comes from all of our experience because you can always, we can always tell like, oh, that's not your scam. Yeah, right away. I'm like, yeah. I can ask me two or three questions and know that you're not the brain.

So who was actually doing the paperwork? Oh, that was, yeah, yeah, okay. Let's tell us how things have just evolved, you know. It's funny, too, like going to, do you remember when we were in prison? And it's funny, he would tell me about a scam that he had ran. And for Zach, it was always this. The biggest, the hardest thing for Zach to do was get the money. in a bank he had access to.

Getting the money out of the bank was easy. For me, the hardest part of my scam wasn't getting the... It was easy for me to get a million dollars in a bank account. It was getting the money out. The only way I could think about how to get the money out

was go in and ask for cash. Can I have $7,000? Can I have $4,000? This guy, you know, he's transferring money, he's putting it on the cards, he's doing this, he's buying this asset,

selling, he's doing all these things, and draining the money, getting other people to go in and get the money. I didn't know how to do any of that. And it's the same thing with this is that once you go to prison and you network up with all these guys. Like to me, getting the $1.2 million in a bank account, that's the easy part. The hard part is getting it out. My question to you is, why didn't you just write checks on the account and have people either cash to checks or cash to checks yourself under different identity? How many people do you have to deal? Like once again, that's a lot of people

that you have to. And then what happens is this. The account starts draining. And then they'll shut the count off and tell you to come in. That red flags in it so. Right. But here's the thing, though, you can, if you were to do, for instance, I knew a guy that he bought and sold silver and gold and precious metals. Oh, yeah. And he literally would have people wire him $80,000.

He'd buy silver. He then calls a company that packages it and mails it to him. FedEx. They would literally leave it by the front door. $80,000 sitting on a FedEx package leaning up in $80,000 in silver or gold coins, whatever. Yeah, and he'd go get it.

You can do the same thing with diamonds. I knew a guy that was literally for a couple, he'd buy a couple hundred thousand dollars. He'd wire the money. They know it's good, and they'd mail him the diamond. Yeah, I think crypto's the move now, though, because they got Bitcoin ATMs. Yeah, that's going to just go right up to like.

What is it? There's one in Tampa? there's no there's a handful yeah there's a handful I've seen several there's one I don't know somebody was asking hey where's the Bitcoin ATM I'm like you so I'm looking it up I'm like I think I had given them an address and they went and they're like no that's not that one's not there anymore and blah blah I'm like bro I don't know man there's I don't even the international mall in Tampa the the big one there there's a couple there's like two there's like two oh yeah I didn't like I didn't and I thought it was like one they're at the airports now

they're starting to stick them in the airport as well. Wow. So yeah, as long as you got that Bitcoin wallet and you walk right up there and type that wallet number in, you're, you're cashing out. And even my bank, that's the problem with Bitcoin is it. It is traceable. Like you can get it move it here and here and here, but eventually it's open ledgers. So anybody that moves any money on the blockchain, you can see, but you only have the wallet in there. Nobody's tied because I can open a Bitcoin wallet anonymously. They don't ask you for your social security number, your data ber if your name, no that shit. It's just a string of numbers. So people can see, okay, this money went from this wallet to this wallet to

this wallet, but then they have people who cash out Bitcoin. So, okay, I'm going to send my Bitcoin to your wallet, and then we're going to meet up somewhere, and you're just going to give me cash. And it's just straight up dealing with one person on one person, you know, and they got the ATMs that you can go cash out the ATMs now as well. And, but, you know, and then there's a lot of payment. You can buy houses with Bitcoin now. You've got car lots accepting Bitcoin to buy cars. You got, you know, the problem is if it's illegal funds going into Bitcoin and I buy a house, that just tells the cops, like, here's his address. This is where he lives.

Yeah, you have to be able to get it out in cash or an asset that you can then resell. The great thing about it. But after moving that money around a 50 different wallets, they don't know. But there's still, even when you're moving around the 50 different wallets, you're moving it around the 50 different wallets. Well, yeah, I understand. But Bitcoin disseminates like it is. That's how Bitcoin moves around, though. So it's not, it's not weird to see one, one wallet go to like 50.

But if I'm investigating it, I'm going to walk those 50 different houses to find the end of that. But the wallets are anonymous. So you don't know who owns them. But you know where the next transaction went to. Anonymous here, anonymous here, anonymous. You just keep finding it into, oh, there's a name. The way to do it, the way the Bitcoin billionaire, the Bitcoin, all the big, big scammers do is they would go to a, what is it, an exchange. They'd send it to an exchange, and then it gets lost.

Because now the exchange is issuing you more or something. Now, they could then track that. The point is at some point you have to get it out of Bitcoin. Whether they can track it completely or not is questionable. but for the most part, unless you want to spend hours and hours and days sifting and moving in this, the best part is to try and get the money

into a bank account and out of the bank account into assets that you could just resolve that aren't, that aren't titled. Well, I would counter that anything that you do digitally has a digital footprint. Regardless if that name is a pseudonym or whatever,

because it can go to frank, but it has to be liquidated in order to dead end it. Even with the launders, the whole premises to get that stuff off of where it's at, liquidated. Now I have it. Now it can be redeposited. Right.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Some other way. How do I liquidate it is that you buy something like precious metals? Because you buy the precious metals, you're buying $100,000 with the gold. It costs you like, or let's say $100,000 with diamonds. It costs you about 3 to 6% just to buy it. Now I've got three, now I've got the $100,000.

less, let's say three grand. I can then turn around and go to another diamond person and sell it to them. They're going to charge 3% to buy it from you, but they're going to cut you a check. Those diamonds aren't really trace, aren't traceable. So now I've got a check in any corporation I want that check issued. Did it cost me 6 to 9%? Yeah, it did. But it's worth 9% to get it back in the bank and then you just pay taxes on it. But that original sale is traceable. So if you're using, let's say I get all these bitcoins and I buy the diamonds. So they can see that it. It went to here and you bought the damage. Oh, you don't want to go back to that.

But there's the liquidation part. Yes. Because I purchase it. Now I can anonymously or however take the liquid and sell it. Yeah, the asset. Now I can put it on and now I can do whatever it is. There's plenty of ways to cash out Bitcoin without it leading back to a person. I mean, this isn't my area of expertise by any means, but I'm sure there's plenty of ways to get to get your money out of Bitcoin without actually tying it back to any kind of individual one single person.

What I know of anything that is. is digital. It Bitcoin, dog, it's trackable. Right. Now, that's by the very nature of by the very nature of it because it's not open ledger. But now it's anonymous. Right. So you can do, you know, that, that number did this. Right. But if there were winding time and they up, I know that this number is hot. But the exchange, you know, it's nothing. But once it goes into the pot of the exchange, it's not guaranteed that all of that, that line of Bitcoin, came out and went to, so they don't know

specifically. It kind of gets lost. No. No. No. You couldn't do a deep dive. You have to do a deeper dive to find out. But if I'm Johnny, if I'm Johnny, if I'm the economics crimes expert and we're doing an investigation, it's ABC, bro. Yeah, he's got to follow it. It's ABC.

I'm going to follow this. If it's a million dollars, I'm sure they're not going to do all that resource. If it's a million dollars, yeah. Oh, absolutely. They'll do that for a third of it. Right. They'll do it for a third of it. There's a victim in the crime. There are people that make their entire living just tracking Bitcoin scams.

Like, they just tracking the money. You can get your money out of these exchanges anonymously. Like, just how you set up a bank account under somebody else's identity, you can go to these exchanges under somebody else's identity. Under a business. Get the Bitcoin into the exchanger. Then once you pull it out of the exchanger, you just disappear like a fart in the wind. Yep.

You know what I mean? Because it's out. But anything, it's going in this exchange. They're following this number. They don't know what name. is on it. So this number broke into seven. Oh, well, I've got seven different footprints. And here's the beauty of Bitcoin. I'm just following all of them. Let's say, let's say you steal $100 million in Bitcoin and you have it in an account. I love this fantasy. Go ahead.

They can't do anything about it. They can't seize that account. They can't seize that account. They can't do anything to it because it's on an open lead. That's just by the very nature of how Bitcoin operates. They can watch that account. And if that money gets moved out, then they'll know where it gets moved to. But it's not like the federal government can go and be like, oh, I need to shut this Bitcoin wallet down. They can't. It's impossible. Because they don't know. That's the fucking beauty of it.

The only time that they've been able to do that is when it's gone into an exchange. And they've had jurisdiction over the exchange and they've contacted the exchange and said, don't send that money anywhere. That's connected to a bank fraud. It's $2 million. And then they're like, oh, shit. Yeah, there's accounts right now that the FBI I've been watching for decades with hundreds of millions of dollars of Bitcoin. And I mean, they can't do anything about it.

All they can do is why. And the investigation purpose is, it's. falls under tax like this huge number did it get taxed or this huge number that's going out the country that's the crime that's the crime that's the crime but that's what opens up the investigation one there's also money laundering recall that's all that's the or if they know that this stuff up from not paying taxed then that's in that bank fraud water fraud you know I think even and I want to this is funny because I had this conversation the other day somebody got charged with like mail fraud

and I was trying to think of because he hadn't mailed anything but he got charged with mail fraud and then I started thinking like are they considering he had sent emails and I thought are they considering emails part of mail fraud? I don't think so no I don't think so

you know what like the generic the mail fraud and the um with the money laundering or or the access devices like those are just door those are just the most like it doesn't matter like I don't give a damn what you did

one side of those three you've done one of those I was charged with all three of them yeah that's so broad that is so like if I had your social security number oh that's access device fraud how a social security number is an access device to that person so like what the hell

are you talking about? More like aggravated identity that but but so no really okay so well listen here's what I'm what I'm thinking is I got charged with money laundering when and I was like I have a lot like they said no no you stole money you defrauded the bank out of money you put it in a bank account you removed it removing it is I'm like how else was I going to get the money there it doesn't matter as soon as you removed it every dollar was it can be a charge every dollar well every transaction oh okay every time I walked in and I said I want $3,000 that's $3,000 in money longer that's a whole other charge because then two days later I went back said I need $9,000 that's another that every one of them they had hundreds of them that I'd been in and it was like just removing the money in cash money laundering I don't see how that's money laundering, but that's what they said.

Now, I got that charge of fraud, but still. It's just like any charge. Like walking into a convenience store with a credit card, you can either charge you with this or usually the beginning detectives be like, I'll tell you what, identity theft, fraudulent use of defrauding a parm broker, larceny because of the theft amount. You plead it all the way down to grand theft. At the end of the day, I get one charge.

a third degree felony. Yeah. And they just pile it on. So they can tell the press like, hey, this guy. It's your bonding with the state is they want to make sure that bond is up here. Oh, yeah. We're going to charge you with all this stuff. We'll let the courts and the state figure that stuff off.

But, you know, you're only going to get really plead guilty to one. Yeah. But we're going to tell everybody in the country. But right now it's 50 because we don't want you getting out of jail. Especially if you're someone like me that I firmly believe and shut the fuck up. Yeah. So whenever I'm burp and I'm in cuffs, there's zero talk. I am super uncooperative because I know you know who I am.

Yeah, you've got. That's why you arrested me. I'm not even a dickhead about it. I'm just like straight up. Like, I don't feel like I have anything to benefit by cooperating with you in any way, shape, or form or giving you a statement. I'll take my chances with the judge. I know you got a job to do.

I'm not trying to be an asshole. But I don't have anything to benefit from this. They are the low end of the very courteous. That's how I, that's exactly how I talk to the police. Oh, it's funny. He got pulled over. by the cops in his vehicle was searched when he was on his way here from Tennessee they got me in Tennessee I was on my way down here from Indiana I was

moving down here this is 2022 and these guys for sure they mean this they pulled me over they searched my car I had everything I owned in the vehicle at the time they pulled all of it out they went through every bag every box anything with a zipper or a pouch in it they looked through everything obviously I'm not moving drugs I don't have anything on me I don't have no warrant so I just sat there completely courteous with them They opened the trunk. It's like, you guys looking for the mother load back there or what? They're like, no, they did that after they ran your name?

Is that what made them? Yeah, they ran. They ran me. I didn't have any, no warrants, no nothing. They're like, and then right when he was giving me my stuff back, he's like, do you mind if I searched a vehicle? I'm like, absolutely not. Go ahead.

An hour later, they're still searching. You know what I mean? They're like, we're looking for drugs and large amounts of cash. It's basically what they told me what they were looking for. Aren't we all? Yeah. And I was like, you guys looking for the mother load or what? And they're like, no, we're looking for large amounts of cash and drugs is pretty much what comes through here.

Sidebar. The worst belief. Sidebar. Yeah. You mind if I searched the car? Fuck you. Fuck no. I don't know what roach fell up under the seat.

I don't know. I am always saying no. If I had large amounts of cash, would I be driving through Tennessee? While you search my car, I'll search yours. Yeah. And it was funny is they never searched my person. Hopefully not. They're looking for shit.

They never had anything. They never Pat searched. They never Pat searched me. They were more concerned about searching the vehicle than they were about me. I was being so courteous with them. That's a mind slip. The only time, the absolute only time I'm respectful with the law, and I get pulled over a lot of motor cycle. It's doing release.

It's doing release. Thanks, guys. That's after you've given me my license registration back and told me that you're going to give me a warrant. Once I know I'm leaving. Once that, in beforehand and links in the description below for my. Six gear checkout. But anytime I'm pulled, like I'm a dickhead because you're the law. We're not friends.

Yeah. Like you're pulling me over. There's a thousand things I could have been doing. Not one of them is getting pulled over by you. Dickhead. So, I just got pulled over. I am in the raw because I got lights and backing me.

Have you ever been served your car? What? That's all that ever happened to me when I, when we lived in Atlanta. We were searched constantly. And always, we got searched so much, I started saying no. I'm like, hey, I'm not dealing with all these freaking searches. So we searched so much constantly, they always tell us we smell weed. We want to search the car.

They always use that as a man. I'm like, what? And then they search the car. They're taking apart the seats. You know, and then they're like, okay, y'all can go. I'm like, but whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You said you smelled weed. And you found nothing.

Yeah. How the hell do you think you smoke? Yo, I'm, bleh. And the counter to that, these days. What's your name? These days. You might as well take the loss, boy. That's the time, take the loss and leave.

These days, the counter to that, as soon as they start talking, hit that record. Oh, yes. I have a question. So you're saying that you smell, I haven't, I don't smoke weed. I've never smoked weed. So you're saying that you smell weed, your detective skills, all of your training has brought you to today. and you smell weed in the car

let me just focus this in all right so on the threat of on the threat of arrest you know obviously you're going to search the car let's see what you're fine guys we'll be back in a moment and I'm going to record all of this and then I don't like dealing with assholes

like that yeah they don't they don't and I'm recording you do your power trip shit they don't like that so listen listen so here's here's the here's a takeaway a punctuation here's a takeaway go ahead

look can you can you can you pan to zack and and and six and boziac and me never been searched uh i don't know it's it's it's that's that is white privilege semi white privilege non non tattooed clean cut guy what i don't benefit my car i've never been pulled over and searched ever in my life so you didn't you tell me that one time in north car They searched, was it North Carolina or South Carolina? Were you in South? I've been in, I've committed fraud in South and North Carolina. Oh, it's confusing.

Did one of the Carolina. And non-presidential and they did not search your car. And you had Becca. I suppose you had Rebecca in the car. No. You didn't tell me that? I've never. Did you get pulled over with her once?

I've been pulled over. Matter of fact, I was pulled over with Becky one time and we had a file folder in the trunk. Of course. A file folder in the. the trunk that actually had a bunch of different IDs like I had these you know these files with you know I'd have all your stuff

I'd have your the ID I had in your name I would have all the credit cards Zach calls them costumes yeah I yeah I called legends after the CIA calls him legends so I had all these legends and I and guy walked up and I'm joking with the cop the whole time matter of fact one time I got pulled over

because I listen I'm obviously I'm driving in an ID that is not my ID so I'm driving like a fucking lunatic Please note that this is a clean-cut white guy talking about multiple pullovers. Oh, listen, I've got, I've got a, I've got a collared, long-sleeve collared shirt on. I'm driving a brand new, Infinity G-35. Which doesn't smell like marijuana. I don't smell like marijuana.

I pull over. Neither did I. Guy comes up. And one time I had a, this is the one you've talked about because I write about this one in the book. The guy, it was a, it was a, it was a, whatever, highway patrolman. Yes. He had one of the head. Yes, that's, Georgia, yeah.

So was that Georgia? Georgia, where's the... Oh, no, was it you in Georgia? No, I don't think I was in... They shower with those hats. I think I was in South Carolina. I want to say it was in South or North Carolina, so they must have them there, too. They may wear them there too, yeah.

So when I got pulled over, he, as he's walking towards the car, and I'm thinking, no big deal. Like, I've got a valid driver's license in this guy's, this guy's name. The car's in the name. I got full coverage insurance. Like, I'm good. And he walks up, he didn't walk onto the driver's side. He actually, at the last minute, he actually, at the last minute, he walks to this side.

When he walks to that side, I look over and I realize I've got multiple bags, you know, that when you go into the bank and they give you money, they put in that little envelope. I got multiple envelopes. I got about 30 grand in the visor.

And I know he sees this. My car's getting searched. That might have been what I remember. So as soon as I looked over, this first time I was ever truly like, Oh, shit. I'm like, oh, my God. And he talked to me, and he could,

he bent over and kind of crunched so he could just see me. So he can't see. But he was, he was stooped down that if the, he didn't have that hat on, he could have definitely seen those envelopes hanging over. It was in the driver's side visor. No, no, it's in the passenger side. Damn, why would you stick him over in the passenger visor?

I don't know why. Comfortable. Comfortable. It got comfortable. Super comfortable. You know how we do once we're making money. and all that. Invincible. I don't know why they would have been in his

side. He's like, yeah, I'll put it in the passenger visor. But anyway, he just sat there and he's like, do you know how fast you're, you know how fast you were going? I was like, I depends on how long you've been following me. I think I got it up to 90 one time. I'm late. I'm like, I don't know. He's like, why were you speeding? I'm like, stupidity? He goes, I haven't heard that one before. And he goes, okay. He said, well, the license of registration. Back then you had to give it

to him. And I'd give it to him. And he walked off and he came back and he gave me a ticket. I was like, yeah, no problem. Thank you. So when he walked off, did you grab the thing out of the divisor? I remember specifically I didn't because I remember thinking if I reach up there and I grab it, what if he's watching? What if there's a camera? What if somebody else is in the car?

Like, I don't know if anybody, I don't know. And I remember thinking if there's no clear choice to nothing. And I just sat there and I thought, you just got to wait it out, wait it out. Came back, gave me the ticket. I signed. He walked off. But yeah, so I remember thinking he searches this car. I'm done.

He searches this car. I'm done. I've got four or five different legends in the back. Cash. I'm done. It's presentation, Matt. It's presentation. I just joke the whole time.

Everything is matching in the car. That's a whole estate trooper. And he wrote you the ticket. He wasn't doing you a favor. No, he didn't. Because by the letter of the law, he's not supposed to be in this car. You've got valid license, registration, insurance. What is he doing in the car?

It doesn't smell like marijuana. It doesn't smell like we, but they don't use that premise. By the way, I went to traffic school. It's the local jocles. By the way, I went to traffic school on that ticket. Because if I'd gotten the points on that, I'd gotten so many tickets in this guy's name, if I'd gotten points on that,

I'd have lost his license. This is like the third ticket I've gotten in like six months. In my, I just thought away, what? I'm looking here, I know I got a good on him. No, I can. I own two vehicles in this guy. This guy's guy got an apartment in his name.

I need this guy. You know, I can't have him losing his license. He might actually, you know where I got that ID? I never forget. This was Michael Eckert. I actually put an ad the newspaper, which is a good credit, bad credit, no problem. Good credit, bad credit, no problem. Free mortgage applications call this number. And I had a number. He's one of the guys that called up. And I took his information to apply for a mortgage. And then what I did instead was I ordered, I filled out an application to get a copy of his birth certificate. I ordered a social security card. I ordered his high school transcripts. I registered. to vote in his name. I then went into the local DMV. I got a driver's license in his name. I opened up a bunch of bank accounts. I got an apartment. I bought a couple of cars. And I was so you started to get comfortable with this guy. And the guy's at home going, man, I hope I get that mortgage. And at some point I started doing this. I started going like, how can I alter this

guy's identity in such a way that maybe it's undetectable? So I went and I got a lawyer. I paid him $1,500 and I had his name change to Michael Johnson. Changed the guy's fucking name. And went back to the DMV with the paperwork and they changed it on the ID. Scoundrel.

I feel bad. I feel bad. I like that mortgage guys. I like it. No, no, you know what I did? I would take those guys' life. Stop. He's like, damn, I'm going to get that mortgage.

That's the narcissist. You know what I did then? I then, all these people that call, let's say 30 people. called and I got their information. Just to make sure it stayed looking legitimate, and this is scam maintenance. I called another mortgage company, and I said, listen, I worked for an app company. We run ads and take applications. Sometimes we then sell them at the end of the day. We have an overage. Can I fax you? This is back when faxes were a thing. Can I fax you the applications?

The only thing I require, we were requesting is that you pull. the credit and call these guys back to tell them if they could get a loan. And they're like, you got 30 people, you took loans on? Yeah, you don't want anything for them. No, but we do sell these typically. We have a $25,000 generation leave. But at this point, I'll just send them to you because somebody has to call, do these immediately. And they were like, yeah, absolutely. And then I faxed it. So they all got their credit pulled. And then somebody called them back from this other company saying, hey, we just pulled your credit, wanted to let you know. You suck. You'll never get a mortgage or hey we can get you FHA approved so they think that the process continued so they don't

realize I'm the middleman and I just stole your identity and it don't look at me that's admiration he's judging me I'm a big guy with victimless stuff I feel bad by victimless like I'm he's only interested if there's victims so he's he is not a big guy with victim no I'm I was going to say, you had the wrong person here. Can I borrow $5? You're like, hey, six, six, thought you were victimless. You're not that big with it. That ain't going to work.

So something that I would do on a scam thing if I was the, what was the question? What about, I don't want to give stuff that, like, I guess old stuff. that I've done way to do anything I'm currently into. Currently, I'm selling cars at a great price, customized cars. Is that under six gear?

Just like your YouTube channel? It's under Numbers LLC. Numbers LLC? Yep. Okay. Where I'm actually selling customized cars. Oh. Yeah.

That's good. And motorcycles. Send them a link. I haven't gone into the selling motorcycle. Ah, okay. I'm scared of financing someone on. A fucking death machine.

Matt will get them financed. Just have them called with the application. I would say, my name got changed. I would say that you could have a hustle like if you could get hold of an ID, any kind of ID. And like I, I, to me, it doesn't matter like if it's an actual with your face because you can, and I remember doing this because I couldn't find an ID connect. So I knew a plethora of. 7-Elevens and people are always leaving a driver's license

leaving something. So I would get these employees. We had a stack him at the tattoo shop. I told you this. Remember? So I would get these employees and say, you got IDs in there. So if anybody remotely looks similar to me and all black people look alike, anybody looks similar,

I would purchase that. I met him and he was doing that and I'm like, that doesn't even look like you. He's like, listen, most cashiers, bank tell I'm like, how do they not look at the big and go like, that is absolutely but I'm gonna tell you something about that. He says that. He says that

but the person that you would never go to would be a black woman. Like absolutely, you would never have a black woman. They don't play that shit. Oh, what? They'll be like, that is not you. They don't even like, right. No matter what it is.

They don't even ask like, is this you? Like, black guy, white guy. Somebody might ask, is this you? A black woman? would tell you. I had, I had somebody, I had somebody, period, in the conversation. I was actually using the driver's license because they were a licensed driver. My license was fucked up back then.

So I was just speeding with this guy. And he weighed, I think, 205 or something and was like five, I'm six feet. He was five, eight or nine. So the height, all of that stuff is irrelevant because, went, is that you? I was like, yes, I've had cancer. I'm a cancer survivor. Nice.

And that, that, that, throws them back on their head. They're like, oh, wow, I'm sorry. They immediately are on the, on the, like, oh, I'm so sorry. Oh, congratulations. Cancer does make you taller. But go ahead.

Oh, well, they're not looking at it. They're not scrutinizing the ID anymore. I was going to say, does it still have your weight on it? Oh, absolutely. No, it doesn't. Oh, yes, it does. No, it doesn't have your weight on it. That's an identifying.

Oh, it doesn't have your weight on it. It's got my height, five, six. That's a lie. How did you get that? Male. With a good pair of shoes. Yeah, with a good pair. It doesn't have my, my, it used to have your weight on it.

I know, but it doesn't have your sex on this? Yeah, they're male. Non-bonal. Why does yours say frequent? But anyway. So horrible. So listen, listen. So listen to this.

This is funny because when I was in Nashville, Tennessee, and I don't know why this, I was. I was just always like, wow. In Nashville, Tennessee, I had bought a house and I was renovating it. And one day I was in the, just walking through the yard. And I looked down and it was like, there was a driver's license that had some dirt on it. I picked it up, cleaned it off. And it literally the ID had the guy's full name, information, and his social security number on the ID.

Oh, some states do that. They stop. They stop. But now it would say in A. And but it was probably seven or eight years old or five years. it had the social on it. In Georgia, your ID number was your social. I remember when they, like, that should be crazy.

I remember, you know, immediately, like, pulled out my idea. Like, that's nothing. I looked at it. It still had social security number, but it just said, in A. So they stopped doing it completely. But it was still even there. They found an older one. What state was that?

It was, sorry, Tennessee. Old Tennessee. Yeah. And I never used that. You know I did Tennessee. I got busted with the Tennessee. license. I had a Tennessee line. Remember I drove up there? Oh, yes. That's right. I love Tennessee. Chattanooo. The people are super friendly. I know. Very trusting. It's very easy to make. Yep. It's super. Like in grocery store,

like in line, people are just going to kick up. Is that Brad Pitt? Man, I love it. Like it's some lady, white woman and she just kick up a conversation with you. That was my favorite place. They were very friendly. Tennessee. Yeah. I never lived in Tennessee. Yep. They're very friendly out I survey. I surveyed like 10 or 15. You in Memphis. Where are you? I've been in Med. I've been in and Chattanooga. Oh, I drove there. Like, we drove way out of the way. I've been in Nashville.

Nashville is the nicest part of, um, six hours, four hours. Nashville's like a real city. Not from Atlanta to Atlanta to Georgia, to Tennessee. It's about an hour and a half. Okay, yeah, yeah. From downtown Atlanta to Chattanooga was like about almost two hours.

That makes sense. But from downtown Atlanta to Nashville was about three hours. Do you remember when I was supposed to get, I was going to have a flashback I was we had something that we were going to do and I had to go to Tennessee to get a driver's license so it was a money that you had this portfolio that weekend I tore it up

I was partying crazy in the house there was chicks in there you're still going yeah I'm still going I'm already halfway in the car I maybe got a half hour asleep hopped in the car drove there took the driving test because we were supposed to get

a driver's license. So I took that driver's test, God. I was like, yeah, I got it. And you were like, you did. You just knew I wasn't going to get. It sounded like I just woke up. I remember that. You know what's funny? In Tennessee, if you didn't have

a Tennessee driver's license, this was back when I was doing it, they would make you take the driving test. The road test, yeah. Yeah, I thought that was, I'm like, no other state does that. Hey, they should do it. You want to drive?

You got to take the drive. You need to make sure you can drive. Seriously. I took mine from... Fair minimum, you got to take the written test on the computer. No, I took... No, they want to know... I almost failed.

Which one? I almost failed the written... You know, and you hit the buttons. Right? They got the buttons. The old ones, you didn't write anything. You know, they'd ask a question. Christ home is he.

Yeah, you'd hit the... They had the big plastic. And I remember at one point, like, I missed... I missed like three of them. Oh, yeah, because it tells you as you go. one more, I was like, fuck. Like, I'm about to fuck. I remember when I went up.

And a lot of those questions are like DUI stuff. They want to make sure. I missed a DUI one, the blood level. And the other one I missed was, because I'd never heard this, they had a picture of what I thought was a pedestrian area, right? Like, they were pedestrians. But just happened that one of the pedestrians was holding a briefcase. And it wasn't a pedestrian area.

It was a business district. Oh. And I missed it. I was like, oh, pedestrian. They were like, be it. I was like. So when I got up. to the counter and I was like I went up like I said hey I just finished and she's like yeah I see

I said I said man I almost failed that she's yeah I can see that you kind of like laughed she said yeah you were close you were one away and I was like yeah and then I had to go take the actually go get in my vehicle and drive and the guy was like yeah yeah we only had drive down the street he was like yeah yeah you're good just turn out yeah they're they're not you're not a 16 year old kid he's like yeah yeah I can see you've been driving for a long time yeah yeah without a license I see got got my ID immediately went to CarMax, bought a car, put 20% down. They had a, I got a loan from, I remember first time buyers, you could get, put 20% down and they'd give you a $20,000 a loan.

I bought an Xtera. Listen, I was, Nashville was the fastest I've ever been set up in my life. Within one week, I have an apartment, I have furniture, I have water, I have electric, I have a driver's license, I have a new vehicle, I have a bank account, I have cell phone service. I mean, I had like cable, like everything. Got a love to see. week. Each one of those things can be done one day up there. Yeah, it's very

very well I know because I had to drive the vehicle all the way back because I'm driving a vehicle that's in somebody else's name. I had to drive it all the way back to Charlotte and leave it and I'm just driving that vehicle I'm terrified because that vehicle was in the name of a guy

the cops were looking for. So that was the worst. Talk about being nervous. And you're driving through those mountains between Tennessee. That car had been left at the long term, uh, airport. My fear was, I don't want them to find it in Nashville. Oh, okay. Then they know you're in Nashville. And I actually left it in long term parking at the, at the airport. That's what you do. And then I got on a plane and flew back. Yeah, I was listening. I was, I was, I was, I was to that whole

ride. I was like, my heart was every time I saw a cop. I'm usually not concerned when I see a cop. But boy, that whole time, I was like, oh, fuck. If they run the plate, you're hit. I'm done. Like, I got to drive for the next. Cup gets behind you. You have diarrhea. Yeah. I can't have them run the plate. I can't have them run the plate. I can't have a run. To this day, I don't let the cops get behind me. Even though I'm not doing anything wrong and all my paperwork is legit, I never let them. If I even see them getting behind me, I make, I'll go in a gas station, I'll turn off, I'll switch lanes, I'll slow down, I'll do whatever I got to do, just so those motherfuckers aren't behind me. Man, in my mind, that makes them pull you over. Yeah. I'm the opposite.

I'll take my chances. I'm the opposite. Like, I know my license is good, registration's good, all this is good. I got no warrants. I'm doing the right thing. I can't wait for you to pull me I'm one of those assholes. I roll it down this much. Really? Oh, I don't do any of that problem. I'm an asshole because I relish in the fact. They're assholes.

Are you crazy? There's no way you're getting a submission to me ever in my life. There's no way. I'm an alpha. There's no way you're getting me mad. He's making me mad. I never had a police officer be disrespectful to me. Well, you've been a Caucasian for a long time.

A clean, I've clean cut Caucasian. A clean. No, I don't benefit. He's a nigrant. You know what I love the Eddie Murphy skit? I love the Eddie Murphy skit where Eddie Murphy pretends to be a white guy. And he goes into the bank and there's a black loan officer and a black loan officer. And he walks up and he sits down and he says, oh, what are you looking for?

I'm trying to get a business loan of $20,000. He's like, yeah, you got to fill out this application. I'm going to need to see your last two years taxes. And then the black. The white? No, because he's talking, it's two white guys. Eddie Murphy's a white guy because he's got the makeup on and he's talking to a white loan officer.

The black loan officer gets up and walks away and he goes, it's okay, he's gone. How much do you need? Yeah, yeah, no problem. He starts pulling out and he starts handing him cash. It's like, how much he's like, take another 10. Take another 10. He's like, okay.

He finds out what's really like to be a white guy. But I think that's a real thing. It's not a real thing. But no, no, not like that in that sense, but like privilege. I think every. I think everybody's stereotypes. They're not going to scrutinize as heavily.

I think everybody's stereotypes. Just like if you're working a cash register, naturally, you're the sales guy. You're working a cash register. Beautiful blonde steps in front of you. You're mentally. It's written into our DNA. Yeah, you want to be more helpful to this pretty person, this affluent person comes where you feel like they've got money.

Pull up in a nice car. They're dressed nice. They got a cologne on. They come in. Do you want to go that extra foot forward? I also, but I also think, I agree, I get the white privilege to a degree. But what I think part of it is, is that I am pulling up in a brand new vehicle. I am dressed very nice.

I'm polite. I sound educated. That's a stereotype. Now, if I would have been, if I pulled up and I'm covered in tattoos, my vehicle's 15 years old, it's, you know, I got smoke, the windows are down. It's dinged up, beat up, it's rusted. I'm playing the radio. I'm like, yeah, what, what are you pulled me over for, man?

What's going on with that? What's up, man? I wouldn't do nothing, man. They're going to be like, I'm giving this guy a hard time. That is absolutely. Even if I'm a white guy. That is absolutely, you know, being prejudice. We're prejudgment.

I'm saying if I'm a white guy doing that. But I think every person on the planet prejudges. It's part of our nature. If I'm Johnny, it's our nature. We have to be able to do that to identify threats in our environment. Absolutely. If I'm Johnny officer, I just clocked in to find criminals. All right, guys, I'm going out to find criminals.

And I, here's, here comes, you know, uh, bozziat, Bosnia, Bosnia, Bozziah. Wow. Always mispronouns it. Every time. So in your, Joe, no, he goes, bother. If I see him, I'm Johnny Officer, I see him tattoos, he's got like a swagger about, oh, crap, he's an ex-con. Let me just check. If I'm driving and they look through the window and they see me and I see that they see me, I know I'm getting pulled over.

Yep. I know, let me go. I'm getting pulled over. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm not speeding. I'm sitting straight up in my seat. I got my seat belt on. You know the way.

My windows aren't tinted. I'm getting pulled over just because I've seen him see me. You know how to get up. You know how to get around that. That's when you, if you look at him make eye contact, you pick up the MAGA hat and you put it on. And you weak at him and he'll be like, he'll do this. And he's going to return the wind. And he'll be like, go about your business.

What about a black cop? Huh? You're fucked. Oh, no, he's still a cop. It just messes up the algorithm. So you think the MAGA Matt's going to help with a black guy. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I think you put a... The reality... You've already had one... The reality is... The reality is, Matt. I guess I have.

The reality is, Matt, I think you and I driving in a car with an out tail light, our mentality is different. You're going to be like, oh, my damn tail lights out. What is this? Tuesday.

I got time to do it probably Thursday, Friday. Yeah, I think you got this weekend. Yep. Zach and I, and I'm going to throw you went on the tail lights out fuck

I'm driving straight to the auto zone yeah auto zone is in my plan I'm stopping whatever I'm doing at that moment I'm going and I'm fixing this tail light because that's a it's a reason and then that tail light is consciously on my mind until I go get it fixed yeah another reason why I don't have I don't possess

privilege yeah another reason why I'm always so nervous when I get and get behind me I've done so much shit in my life I don't know what's gonna come back to get me hello so it's like you know Even though I think I'm good now, I don't have any warrants, but fuck, I don't, I get pulled over and all of a sudden some horse shit. Oh, yeah, we've got some stuff from my favorite or something escalates. Yeah, I've done so much shit in my life. Let me say this.

Let me say this real quick, because that thought came to my mind. I was in Costco. And this is like a week ago. I'm in line in Costco and an old guy turning one of those drivable, whatever, those electric carts. the buggies completely bumps me to almost knock me over, right? And I look back, he's like, move. Wow. Wow.

That's exactly what he said. I would have to tip that cart over. Oh, my God. Move. I'm going to move. I'm going to move. Like, the rage. Like, I'm like, you.

Was he an older? No, he was probably like 60-ish. You know what? I want to say I'm 60-ish. You know what I'm 60-ish? You know what I'm? Six-year-old-year-old-old-old. Yeah, but...

No, so I'm joking. Oh, my God. Oh, my, like, and the only thing came to mind is probation, because I'm like, okay, one more month. And I get to punch him. Did you, when he said... If I was not on paper, this would have been an altercation. Oh, my God.

When he said, when he said, move, did you get like a move nigran? Oh, yes. Nigran. Yes. You did get that vibe. Yeah, because I'm in line. And he's, like, right here, and I'm just standing there. And he doesn't say, excuse me, let me get by.

He just turns the cart and hits me. So you didn't get... It wasn't a hard hit because the cart moves slow. But it just like... You didn't get like the senile. He's just an old senile guy. Look at me like, you got the... Move.

Like, I looked at him like, what the... He goes, move. Like, I hit you. You're not facing me. I hit you. You should have moved. Like, move. He's just an old dickhead.

Like, what the move? I need to get by. Move. I would have turned to right. If he did that, to me, I'd turn around. I'm like, let me, let me ask you a question before I move. If I spit on your face, what are you going to do about it?

Like, when you, I meet that kind of stuff with the same energy that, now mind you, I'm not, I'm not going to be a, I'm not going to jump on them. That's ridiculous, but I'm definitely going to say some really sarcastic shit. I don't mind confrontation. I don't mind confrontation at all. I'm not going to say, I don't like confrontation, but my analysis was, anything is going to escalate this. Yeah, probation is a different. I go any, my, I'm thinking like, I'm on probation,

but my mind goes, anything's going to escalate this. Anything's going to escalate this. Yeah. Because I want to escalate it. And I'm not even like, you can ask anybody. I might even like that. Like you told me, I have a lot, long patience. But my mind said, anything you say is going to escalate this.

So I had to let it go. Yeah. That's something I have a problem with because, like, if somebody cuts me in line or they, like, they do something intentionally that You take it very personal. I can't. I'll snap. I can't see that.

This is going to get personal. I'm getting out of my car. I'm coming to your car. Wow. Damn. So if he hit you. Oh my God. You had a big time.

Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. I don't like being tailgated. I don't like it when people don't let me merge. You know what I just, that just, it sends me over the edge. I can see you as a role. I can see that. What are you going to do in Thailand?

I can't see Matt as a role way. What's so funny to me, what's so funny to me is if the old guy had bumped me and told me move I'd have been like oh gosh I'm so sorry go ahead then it changes nothing for me that guy's opinion doesn't mean anything he bought me no big deal I take everything personally I also don't get in the road rages if somebody beeps or cuts me off like I might have a split second of what the fuck but then I'm like calm down this means nothing yeah I'm chasing through traffic and not I can see each one of their like reactions to that scenario I can

put you cut me off I'm like but that was an hour ago but to that's hell To me, I've already seen that whole process all the way through from me having to get angry and yell at this guy and cause a scene to ending up in jail, having to spend time talking to police, filling out police reports, possibly getting charged. I can't think through all of that. My anger is my problem is I'm not getting bonded out. That's my whole issue. Like, I can't have that moment. That has so little impact on my life. I wouldn't have even thought about it again.

I'd have been like, oh, hey, God, so sorry, sir, by all means, go ahead. My fault, that's my fault, and let him go. He's an old man. He's a bitter old man who's in a chair and let him go because that, and honestly turned around and then waited in line and never given another thought. I would at least tell the fuck. I can't even understand that. I would love to, I would have to send something to dissect that.

I have an agenda for that, for that moment, for that day, for the next five years, for the next 10 years. and I'm not going to allow my emotions to have me waver from that agenda. That's the R-DAP program with letting things that matter the least affect the things that matter the most. That's the difference between somebody growing up in a consistent environment their whole entire life and being able to plan for the future and understanding that, you know, A, B, and C will lead to X, Y, and Z later. But people who are just like, you have been living hand to mouth their entire life, you know, homeless. I have to think about the now, like, you know, I don't, I've never had, I can't think about the future. Like, I don't even factor that into any of my decisions because I just, I can't, I have to deal with the now.

Amen. And that's what happened to me, because my reaction was, like, anything I do is going to escalate. Because I did want to, I wanted to say something. I wanted to spin in his face. Like, my reaction was, I got to react, but I'm like, anything I do is going to escalate. Yeah. And this is a white man. I'm a black man.

and I'm on supervised release, you know? So the absolute loser is me. You know, what's funny is I think that's the difference between we were all sitting here one day. Jess was here, Boziac was here, and I was here, and we see flashing lights at the front door, at the window by the close to the front. You can see it flashing lights between the houses and you can see it in the front. There's a glass thing over our door. Red and blue lights. Yeah, the red and blue light.

And. I was out the back door immediately. So, Jess. Really? just glances up and i glance up and she goes oh my god she's the cops are here and starts walking towards the front door she walks to the front door opens the front door i walk with her five blocks over we're walking to the front door to open the front door because i've had the cops come here a few times and oh and knock on the door for some reason or another and they've

opened the door and i immediately open the door yes sir what's your name such and such you know i i've no problem because i know i'm not doing anything wrong so i don't have a problem and i know i can get anything that it's a misunderstanding, we've worked it out. But so we open the door, just so happens that the cops had pulled somebody over like a couple houses down, catty courted to us. And, and so she, she sees it, sees the lights. Oh, okay, they pulled somebody over. closes the door.

She looks at me, she's, I guarantee you, she said, because she turned around, Boziac's gone. She goes, guarantee you he took off. We walk, he's standing in the backyard. And when he's, he's like, he's like this. And she goes, it's fine. It's just this. Come on and coaxes him back inside. He walks inside

And she looks at him and she says You're not living your life right These motherfuckers are never going to take me again And they're going to have a chase on their hands Because I will never ever ever ever Just willingly say here put the cups on me Motherfucker you're chasing me today You're chasing me

You're fucking chasing you know I've had I've had folks come to everybody give that story I've had cops come to my home now He did And he's like not not me They're not want me, obviously, but go ahead. And I'm just a dick with them. Like, we operate on two totally different sides of the fence.

Like, when you open the door and I see you, you're either trying to get information, you're here to do a job. I don't care while you're here. Yeah. I don't want to deal with you. Especially if it's about me. Yeah.

Like, I don't care. It's not for anything good. You're not coming here to give me a check. Yeah. I'm not cooperative. Hey, sir, hi. I could, first of all, fuck you.

Next, what do you want? I'm doing something watching the game. I'm smoking weed. Whatever I'm doing, you're interrupting it. How can I help you? And by help you, I mean, hurry up. You know what's funny about that is that I've actually had the cops give me a check.

I just went to, I just went to Orlando, did a keynote speaking engagement for an hour, and they just mailed me a check. You really got to work on the other side of this. So this is two different perspectives. I got a halfway point. This is the Caucasian that has reformed his life, and he's doing fantastically.

Well, he probably tripped into the life of crime itself. Well, you know, like his mindset, the way he thinks, Zach is on the side. Oh, this is why they're on this side of it. You know, they're on this side. There's a spectrum. So Zach has always been like that. Low-key, cool. So one of the time the cops came to my house, right,

and they're knocking at the door, and I answered the door, and it's the police. So when I see as to police, I just, I get nervous. Just the apprehension of, my palms are sweating right now. Talking about it. Everything I've been through with them, I get nervous because I'm like,

I don't know what they want. Okay, so I answered the door. What happened was there was a car stolen out of our complex, And they wanted to know if I had a ring camera. And then all of a sudden, I get very nice. I'm like, oh, yeah, no, I don't have a ring camera. But I happen to know my neighbor. And I get very courteous and helpful.

But, like, I don't, I agree to have a job to do. But, you know, I'll fake the happiness and friendly guy. But I'm like, get the fuck away from me, please. But I still get, I still get nervous. I feel like. If they get behind me, I get nervous. You know, I just, but it's not like, oh, shit, I'm going to go to jail. But I still get nervous.

Yeah. I view every interaction with the law enforcement as I'm fighting for my life. Wow. I'm fighting for my life here because you have the power to take everything from me right now. Yeah. Even though I've done nothing wrong. So fuck you. I'm not even going to talk to you.

You're going to have to chase me. And then we'll just discuss it if you catch me. Wait a wait a second. Colby's, Colby is a very clean cut white guy. Have you ever had your car searched? No. Do you feel when you,

when you've spoken with police officers, Have anybody ever come by the house like a police officer or had a conversation with a police officer? Yeah. Did you feel like I'm just, you know, whatever, like nice. Christ. Christ. Well, there's. I can see, I can see, I can see, I can see, I can see Kobe drive.

Oh, there's the police. To Kobe, those are public servant officers. I'm this close to saying, hey, you are for me. What do they want? Rose the window all of them. the way that you and sincerely means how can I help you yeah like what can I do the further your job yeah you guys are how can you can you it was a black guy and a tattooed white guy oh yeah they went that way absolutely I just came from the store there was several they were

suspicious officer I smelled marijuana when they drove by I gotta tell you I smelled a lot of pot you used it But you're snitching, my lover. And this just goes down. I wasn't snitching. I was cooperating. So it's only different. There's a difference.

Listen, I'm in L.A. one time, and I'm dating this girl. And it was after dark, and we were going to go to the store. We're going somewhere, going to get some chicken or something. And I told us, like, let's take your car. I was like, because I get pulled over. And she didn't believe me. Like, she thought I was full of shit. I'm like, listen, I get hassled.

Even though I'm doing nothing wrong. I get hassled. So we take my car. I had a, I had a Mercedes. Um, jeez, what I... The black one? Was it black? It was silver, but I wrapped it teal.

I had like a teal wrap on it. Hello. And it was nice. It was a C-63 AMG. I had a really nice car. I had it wrapped in teal. That's the big box. We're driving.

We're on, uh, we're on Crenshaw Boulevard over by Rosecrans. The L.A. County Sheriff's coming this way. I seen him look through his window, look at me and then flip around. I looked at my room. I seen him flip around. I said, we're getting pulled over. She says, for what? We went.

I says, we're getting pulled over. And we're going to get certain. Literally got pulled over. He pulls up behind me. I roll all four windows down at once because I had tints and that's what I did because just so he's not sketchy just so he can see in the car and see that. It's just me and my group. I hit all four windows at once. They come down. I have my register my license and registration ready for him because that's what you do. You have it ready for him. He comes up to the window. I handed to him. He says I didn't ask for that. He grabbed it out of my hand. He threw it on the dash. He says I didn't ask for that. He says, are you on parole or probation? I says no. He's like, you have anything in the car? Any weapons or drugs? I says, no. He says, no. He says, well, I'm searching. And he just pulls my door open. He says, step out of the vehicle. Wham, wham, wham, happened just like that. I'm searching.

Pulls me out of the vehicle, puts me in handcuffs, puts me in the back of his cop car. And this is all within a minute, minute, and 30 seconds of me being pulled over. I'm like, what the fuck, dude? He couldn't even ran the tag. He isn't even, the tattoos on your, the tattoos on your face. While he's pulling me out, he's searched me, he says, what gang were you in in prison? I'm like, oh, okay, he thinks so. That's unbelievable.

I'm like, straight up just like, he's like, what gang were you in prison? And I'm like, oh, my God. The one your mom was in. I'm like, why is this? I'm in my mind. We used to run. And in my mind, my mind's reeling because I've done nothing wrong. I'm not on probation.

I'm not a drug dealer. I'm not a gangbanger. I don't have guns on me. I just, plus I had a bald head at the time. Oh, yeah, yeah. And my entire head's tattooed. And so I guess I could see. But once he got me in the back of the cop car, I'm leaning up.

I'm like, listen, I'm not, I'm like, you got the wrong guy. I was like straight up you got. And then once he ran my name, he immediately took me out of the car, took the cuffs off me, told me to have a good night. He's like, well, I couldn't see in the car. I couldn't see who you were. Just backtracking now because he's realized I'm not, I'm not who he thought I was.

I'm not that scumbag, gangbanger. Like, I'm not that guy. They've got that power. His tune changed immediately. And ever since then, I'm like, dude, fuck these motherfuckers, man. They could just take your whole life away and there's nothing you can do about it. I mean, I know he doesn't worry about that,

but I don't worry about things like that. Look at the face. It's one of the main reasons I'm leaving the United States because I just don't want to deal with it anymore. No, I, I've never, never once contemplated tattooing my entire body, you know, because I, because of those types of things, I thought you tattoo your whole body. Like, that's good. It's, you know, all these things are targets. I go hard, no matter what I'm doing.

Living next door to the teacher is a guy with the skeleton tattooed on his face. And they give all these opinions. I'm like, I go, how do you know the guy's a criminal? I go, have you seen him? He's got tattoos all over his face. I go, that's not necessarily mean. He's criminal. It's a stereotype.

20, 30 years ago, yes. Nowadays, it's a pre-judgment. Unfortunately. It's a prejudgment. Unfortunately, that guy that lives next door that is a criminal. So I've talked to them. It's a pre-judgment that we're designed for, especially us ex-cons. You have to have prejudgments.

You have to know. Everybody knew that moves into a fog. Everyone with a fully tattooed face. I'm sorry. But like, you're committed. You're my. About 98%. Your mindset, 99% of the people

that have the Tets, they fuck it. I don't give a fuck about what you think about me. I like my art. So their rationale from them, this is this art, it's expression. It's all the things that face tattoos. To us on the outside,

it's he's a rebel. He doesn't give a fuck about what society thinks about him. I think it could be military. It can also be military. The person that thinks all of that is the same guy also that says I'm going to tattoo my entire body fuck society and I'm going to take what I want

and that guy has a criminal record because he behaves like that and periodically it catches up with him he goes to prison he gets felonies and he is that person no no you were just saying it was about art his artwork no no but and then that type of person

has that record what you think right but you also you know they also make questionable those type of fuck what you think that always they're prone to reflect and more prone to risk

or reckless behavior yeah he's also the guy I need I need some moving math that has yeah he's also

that guy that when you do search his car there's a chance there's a block of these guys are risk I'm only semi in your corner I'm only semi in your corner

Matt because I've been I had my car searched yeah but you're at the point where I said you know what we're not agreeing to any more searches they all have to get search warrants

and they had to get a search warrant three times after that I was pissed do you think it's because of all your tattoos or because you're black? I think it's because when they run that name. Was it the area you were in maybe? That and

black guy, white girl, Mercedes Benz in Atlanta, Georgia. Stolen. Like it was that wasn't the reason. And it was stolen. That wasn't the reason because interracial dating. I have no idea what had them search us so many times. Did you have a record? Oh, but they didn't have a, you didn't have a name. Yeah, and you know, at that time, I'm in rental cars.

But when they, so when they pulled you, because rental cars are suspicious. Oh, well, I don't know. To areas. Oh, absolutely. They pull us over and they'd come and they'd look. Rental cars is suspicious. That's true because I've driven a lot of rental cars and never gotten a ticket and been pulled over.

You are the exception, man. You are, you are, if you look up. I'm starting to feel bad. Guys, look up white privilege. Yeah. Or in Websters. You will see that exact page with that smile. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Yeah. Because it's the stereotype. It's the pre-judgment. I know. It's so wrong. I feel like, I feel like if they took any of us and they say, okay, we will give you $100,000 cash. But we're going to give you, we're going to give you a uniform and a police car. You have to make, every arrest you make, you get $100,000 cash.

Good luck. So you got no leads, no nothing. You got a car. Good luck. So you're going to start prejudging and stereotyping. Boy, there's three blacks in that car. What are the odds? Oh, there's a black guy.

and I'm across 40th. I'm a cross fowler. Oh, there's a white guy and a tattoo in a rental car. In the hood. They just know they're more likely to come across somebody with court warrants.

Somebody's going to have drugs. There's going to be something not right going on in this car. These are these prejudgments. And then when I turn and I look and I see that face, what is he did? What am I going to buy?

My mind is he going to refinance my mortgage? What the hell is he going to do? My mind isn't initially telling me to search this person like, you know, like, this guy's doing something wrong. Like, that's not the first place my mind's going to go when I look at him. But if you look at me, he's like, oh, he's got to have something on him.

He's got to have a warrant. If we were in prison, if we were in prison and, you know, he wants a honeybond two for one because I always rent a store. Mind you, one of the stores was, you know, I don't know if you remember. I named my store the Caucasian Corner because there's a certain type of, and I deal with my people, blacks. You know they're going to pay you. That's right.

That's right. That's going to pay you. The white people. Matt is the type of person if I loan, if I loan him, but yeah, if I loan them two honeybonds and it's two for one, when Matt gets his money, Matt is bringing me because he wants that off his ledger. Yeah. He's the type, he's, man, I don't, I own him. Yeah, I don't want him.

So I have a question. My folks will be like, I've literally had my people come to me and they owe me 20 bucks. Oh, no, I don't pay out my mama money. I just got a money order, but that's my mama. money. I don't pay out of that when I get my baby mama money or when I get time out, motherfucker. Yeah. You can't meet. That's

my money. You don't even have your money yet. And there's where the fight starts. But these prejudgment, it is absolutely a privilege to have a certain look when these people are walking around looking for crime

or as another guy I knew that, and I hung around a lot of guys that had stores, but he had a white customer similar to Matt or Kobe who got food and before a commissary day ended up getting released. He's like, oh, bro, I promise you I'm going to

bring the money and put it on your books. And the white guy got out of jail and actually came back up to the jail and put the money. I've had that happen to him. Yeah. I think it was you. And I'm like, are you serious?

Both white people. Both times locations. That is the difference between a white customer and a black one. It's just like when one of my friends from high school named Jennifer who license got suspended

and she's like how am I supposed to drive my license is suspended I'm sitting there looking at her like you're right what are you talking about you don't have anything to worry about the judge goes

Mr. Allen your license is suspended so no driving absolutely not your honor how you're getting home I'm driving in the car that I drove here I don't know what the fuck he's talking what he's

when he said no driving he meant don't get caught driving I'm driving I don't get what the hell he's talking I'm the same way I drive driven more in my life without a license than I have licensed. And Matt, if a judge say, Matt, your license is suspended for a year, no driving.

Matt's like, I can't drive. Are you kidding me? They said I couldn't drive. Your wife didn't go to the hospital. But I'm calling an ambulance or a friend. I'm not driving. He's even going to me Uber and everywhere. I'm getting in the car.

I'm going. I'm breaking the law. They tell me you're not driving. I'm like, who's going to stop me? Are you going to sign an officer to me every time I step out of the house? That would be the only way. That would be the only way.

That's the only way. And he better, he better work. They got to come take the car. Yeah, he better not go to sleep at any time. Where did he go? Yeah, I'm the same way. That's exactly. That's the whole difference.

The integrity of Matt and Kobe is just what, like we have no Caucasian corner. That's Caucasian corner. Even when I was on the run. Even when I was on the run and didn't have my personal driver's license or use it the entire time, I never drove a car that I didn't have. a valid driver's license in, even if it was in someone else's name, I never drove one. So I'm like that in my later years of fraud. Oh now, yeah. Like in my later years of being the criminal, I'm not now, I work a legitimate

business. But like in the beginning, catch me if you can. And then once I started figuring stuff out, I'm like, wait a minute, that eliminates so much. Yeah. Let me, even if it's not my, I'm going to have a driver's license, that insurance. insurance is going to be. This car is going to be right. So when you pull me over, you're going to have good stuff. I'm not going to go out there and wing it. Yeah. So before we have to close out, I wanted to ask Matt did have a conversation that wasn't on the right side of the tracks with me. And as I want to ask him, what was your thinking then, like, that you wouldn't drive a car if you didn't have a license. But when I had a warrant and I took you, I was going to turn myself in and you're like, why? Oh, yeah. yeah yeah that's that's where he's on your side yeah because I did turn myself in but once again it was even overrated yeah that's not even an option but once again that was that was you that wasn't me turning myself I'm like you told me not to turn myself in I know I told you not to listen do you know how many times I would be in in we were we were in prison or sorry I was in

prison and some guy would show up for a 10 year sentence or a five years and I'd be like they gave you eight years you you're talking about you were eating at panera this morning and you turned yourself in and they're like yeah yeah I turn a 10 o'clock I to be here at the but see that's different and I'm like 10 years but the turn in it so how that stuff works is they plea you guilty you plea guilty I'm guilty sir and then we give you we postpone sentencing yeah it's never been an option for me but but but but hear me out because if you agree to that and he lets you go and settle your for the 30 days and you buck you've still not not just the escape failure to appear you've pled guilty to your charges yeah you're just coming for sentencing yeah so now that you

pled guilty no no you get sentenced and they like you still oh yeah yeah yeah in the feds oh that's fes that's how the judge to go you need to do a 10 year sentence you've been sentenced you I'll give you 30 days from now you need to turn yourself into the prison you need to walk straight into the front door so I think that you know they and ask them where to go yeah but If you abscond, if you have scone from that arrangement, I feel like they would open that back up. No, they know in the state, no, they'd give you another charge. They might give you another charge, but they're, it, it might be a month or two. That other charge, it only as, I'd never tell myself.

What, why would you? After sentencing? I don't, I don't get, like, 10 years. Yeah. But the funny part is both of them would agree. So Mr. Bozziak, you're going to leave now and you're going to turn yourself in in two months for the 10 years sent it. You're like, oh, absolutely. Like, 10 o'clock?

Should I be there at 10? Yeah, all right. Yeah, absolutely. Meanwhile, while I'm walking out the courtroom. Booking flights. Gone. Fuck you. Yeah, I've never been much of a runner, though.

I always have bond money. So I have a question. So how, let's say you get sent to 10 years. How are you getting out of the country? You got to have a past. You have to have another name set up. You don't go. Well, you'd have to go before it was time for you to turn this stuff.

Or you can get a fake ID. You have to go. I've had multiple passports. You get on some boat, get on some boat and ride to Cuba. Because your name is done. Honestly, you can walk into Mexico. Yeah, your name is done. So you've got to have, but, I mean, some people used to have, you know, put up a whole costume.

Of course. For just such emergency. I got a passport, driver's license, everything ready to go. You better believe it. You wouldn't be able to get out of the country without a whole thing. So at that time, at the time of sentences, you can. You probably could buy, you probably could buy like a... But you're letting them know where you're going.

But if you were to go and on the manifest for your flight, there's a, there's a, you might be able to go, but there's a chance that they could have your name flag. Yeah, under your real name. There's a chance. Not always, but there's a good chance. In the federal system, you're probably flagged. In the state system, you may not be flagged.

In a different state, you might want to leave a different. If you have the wherewithal to get out of the country, and dip you better have another name let's say they're not they're not sophisticated they cannot they don't access to it's just a matter of time before they get pulled over they have you know

are they able to get out is there a way okay so if you haven't if you didn't surrender your passport and you can leave the country but they're going to know what country you went to and then they're going to put they're going to come try and find you in that country if they want you bad enough and honestly they they may

not get on the I know many guys that were indicted but they hadn't that the cops hadn't caught up to them For instance, Joseph Vitale. Remember Vitaly? He had been indicted. He knew he was in trouble. He, but he hadn't gone in yet.

It had been processed. His lawyer was, so he's not even supposed to show up. He's been indicted. He's, and his lawyer's like, hey, you need to turn yourself in on Thursday. He goes and files a, or buys a plane ticket, and he's ready to fly to Peru or Ecuador. No, Peru. I think it might have been Peru. Anyway, let's say it's Peru.

So they go to the airport, and they're sitting there waiting to get on the airport to fly internationally. Well, they told him later, oh, no, no, no, the moment you were indicted, your name was on the list. So we had grabbed you and you were in custody, but in the moment we had, we had, we had indicted you. So no fly list. He was on a no fly list. So his name showed up and they just, they were just sitting there waiting. They walk up to him. They go, Joseph Vitality.

And it's like, yes. And they grab his stuff and cuff him and walk him out. Yeah, but there's a level still. But that was federal. That was federal. Let's say it was a state of Florida. The state of Florida is not going to do that. State of Florida,

you can probably jump, go to the Tampa International Airport with your passport, jump on a plane and leave. But they are going to know where you went. They have a record of you flying. Yeah. This guy just flew to Mexico. Now, once you're in Mexico or you're in Guada,

you're in Peru or Ecuador or wherever, you fly from there. Like, it starts to get very difficult to track you down. Or you jump on a boat or you now it's the point where it's like, what's the easiest way to get out of here. under your name and not through like the federal probably walk into Mexico

or take a boat to Cuba you can walk right into Mexico you don't have to show passport or nothing the crime chronicles JBT GBT B T fucking recommended that so it's got to be good no that's not true

chat GPT is it's it makes mistakes all the time every time I go to it makes mistakes I love chat GPD because the mistake is asking it a mistake I'm actually you've got to refine your question right I do and then

I'll say, it'll tell me, give me the wrong statistic. And I go, well, that's funny because this and this is what I heard the statistic. And then it says, oh, after reviewing those, I believe the statistic is 75%. You just said it was 30. They gave the same question. It's called hallucinations. All AI does it right now. That number of the next few years, that'll be, yeah, it'll be coded on.

Are you opposed to AI? Me? Yep. No, I just don't want it taking all the jobs. Credit card. You know, people have that. people had that same argument about Amazon and about I'm old enough for the year 2000

and the advent of these computers and they already gonna take jobs yeah I want all the jobs to be taken to be honest with you have to have people to do anything no I think that'll be a good thing because humanity will everybody will be able to do what they want to do like there's this there's this common myth that people's jobs give their life meaning

and suck my dick bitch you mean my job gives my life meaning What about what you're doing? What about learning the second language? What about what about the stars and the planets? No, I gotta go and move boxes around Amazon and that's my meaning. None of which, none of which he does. Right.

Because I, yeah, you don't have time. No, I refuse. What about the podcasting? What about the podcasting? That doesn't give you meaning? Well, it's something that I want to do, that I choose to do. But that's how you make money. Yeah.

Well, I'm saying there'll be more things like that, that people will be able to like explore like what, like, people like don't have the luxury. street or even the, you know, the big, nobody's actually like, said there, like, man, what do you really, what do you really want on a life? Because I got to pay my bills. I got to go to work. I don't have time to think about what I really want to life. But, but that's the difference between, you and about 80, 85% of the population is that 85% of the population buy into the, this is what I want to do. And the 15% that don't buy into that are entrepreneurs are in prison because we're

criminal. Because we're thinking like, why, why do I have to do that? Like your generic, like your average person would become, like, depressed. They wouldn't know what to do. Right. If they didn't have a job or something. If they had someone to kind of tell them, hey, they would find meaning, you know. They would have to find meaning because I don't know. I just, I don't believe the, I don't believe that.

That sucks, dude. Listen, if everybody stops working and nobody's paying in money, then they won't be able to pay their bills. Oh, I mean, they're thinking, it should all be automatic. There will be universal. So you would spend your money. You can't give people overall. You can't give it. You can't just print money.

It has to be back by something. There will be a universal basic income. Yeah, we are. It has to be back by later. Listen, there'll be a universal basic income or all of these corporations that go 100% automated with no employees are going to pay a certain percentage tax every year, which is going to be way lower than paying 500 employees to do a job. So they're going to have, they're going to have a surplus of profit every year. And a certain percentage of that surplus goes into the UBI, goes back into the universal basic income system. And then we can all just be, you know, a population of hedonists and, you know,

we'll be entertaining each other. The parties will be wild. We're not. Fucking entertainment will be off the chain. None of that. So you don't even have a DJ at a party. It's in order for us as a society to progress. Dude, art innovation.

To the next level. AI is just a thing that has to happen. Yeah, I understand, but it would have to be controlled. You can't suddenly say, hey, we're going to pay everybody $25,000 a year. And you don't have to work. and AI and robots are going to do everything for us. That's not going to happen. They break down.

There'll be other jobs. Not for us. They're going to like, I can see his vision. Not for us. They're going to provide the basic functions of what we need. They're not going to like clean our house. We'd have to do that ourselves. There's going to be other jobs.

But like to explore space and all like. AI will be able to refine the questions that we're asking. We'll be able to cure stuff that we couldn't fit. figure out, we'll be able to go places that we couldn't calculate. Like, that's going to be the next level of our, 20 years of our imagine, imagine 20 years when the economy. We think we're here in 20 years? Imagine telling people, man, you can now wake up and you can make your own

decisions. You can wake up every day and decide what you want to do. Who's going to pass that out? Who's going to give up? Some of us are taking care of these jobs. And some of us are not. Fuck this system the way it is. I see you're walking and living way.

He's just old and they're, you know, the older people, they fucking, they hang on the system. They won't let it go because you're like, I don't be chaos without it. No, it won't. Something new will come out of everything, and that's just how it's going to be. Yeah.

We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. What happens? What are we doing? What are you doing? You asked me if I've been exercising, walking. Oh, okay.

Nice. You put getting in your steps? Yeah. Steps, exercising. Is that the, you're going in. Was that the doctor's plan? No, no, no. They're trying to figure out.

Why I'm having... He's a flyboard. He's been kept alive right now by a machine. He's half a machine. You got a pacemaker? Yeah. Is that monitor or does that help? It's the magnet.

And it helps keep it at a certain rate. It helps keep it from going in the... Because they want to figure out why my heart goes into rapid beats and not pushing the blood. Because whenever it starts doing that, my blood pressure drops. So they're thinking it's some kind of... And not producing. So they want to know if, like, they need to thin my blood or if I'm formulating for blood clots.

And they'll know that from looking at the data. Yeah. It's kind of mind monitoring your data. Yeah. But yeah, every once in it, and I take pills for that. And every once in a while, my heart still kind of goes,

tries to go. And I think the pills are like, get back in place. Like, okay. It'll try to, like, I'll feel it like trying to get offline and something will stop it. But it's like, damn.

Because of how our society is now, I feel like we should be able to clone you're another heart. I'm willing to sacrifice your heart for mine. I'm willing to put you up for it. If they need somebody to do it first, I'm yeah, but no we can't do clones, we can't

get into that type stuff because of you know. Oh, I'm sure there are somewhere. Not in this country. They're doing all that testing and buildings and all of those. It's all in Africa. Not all of the books. All of those places are in Africa. I'm sure there's some labs and China.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, the Chinese don't give a fuck they're cloning everything they're splicing animals and humans together yeah and we'll do whatever the fuck and we'll pay you whatever i think that's i'm all for it i believe that happened what's weird about that is i believe the cloning and splicing happened way back eons ago you know what i'm saying where people have like pictures of half man half bowl and shit like that yeah i don't think it happened i do i do the hieroglyphics of that shit you think that's just people like hey you know what I'm thinking, Bill, I'm going to draw a picture of a half-man at book.

We're not doing it because... Or how do you think the pyramids were built? It's ethnically wrong. Yeah, I did a deep dive on the pyramids last night. Really? Have you read anything about that? The Great Pyramid was a water pump that created electricity for...

I believe that. It's not... Some crackpot has a whole book written on it. I know, and they expanded on its book. I watched the documentary last time. I want to know his theory. argument for it. You can get six different documentaries telling you six

different things that every one of them by the time you're done, you're like, definitely aliens. That's it. Definitely aliens. By the end of it, you're like, yeah, it was six guys and a couple of donkeys did that whole thing. You know, literally, what is your theory? The Egyptians built him.

That's what happened. It took 50 years and they built it. They are a mathematical phenomenon. Anomily. Anomily, like to, because there's no welding nose together. They're welded together. They're block.

I know. And they're, they seal upon contact. So that's, that's, that's, that is the, box weight 20 tons. Each and like, pulleys, a five school bus. The pressurization. Yes. Of it, the air ducts, like the, the, the complex air ducts. Listen, the fact that there are no hieroglyphics inside of the Great Pyramid lets you know

that it wasn't. a tomb and it wasn't used for what mainstream archaeology says it was used for. Well, we watched the wrong. We watched two different documentaries. Okay. So I'll send you guys the documentary on the, probably the 60 documentaries and all of the Egyptian history professors and the people that are really, really, they're all wrong. Right.

There's 10,000 of them that are wrong, but there's some guy from Iowa that wrote a book. There's a giant conspiracy around the history of ancient Egypt and all of that. There's one mainstream version that archaeology clings to that's been disproven left and right for the past 20 or 30 years for guys that, this is what they wake up every morning and dedicate their entire lives to. But not that it's disproven, you've got the archaeologists that have the, they're getting their evidence and then they're formulating an opinion based on that learned evidence and then they're theorists.

Like the great spinks. Their theories, their theories would make sense to. the people who are looking towards that angle like there's water erosion on the Great Sphinx and the only time that could have taken place was like 50,000 years ago which predates the dynasty, the

dynastic Egyptians by 22, 25,000 years so the dynastic Egyptians and never believe there is it's Atlantis the dynastic Egyptians were squatters I suggest essentially they were squatters they all the hieroglyphs you see that that was graffiti done by a civilization that came way after the pyramids

were built originally. I suggest we all, we all talk about something we have an actual expertise on. Not something that we watched. Not something we learned on TikTok. I'll take you to school on ancient Egypt. I'll be doing a second.

I'll go to the class. I have an open mind. Oh my God. Yeah. Go ahead. I've read all the books. I've watched all the documentaries. I've studied.

You haven't watched all of them. You obviously didn't watch the ones I've watched. Well, he's got a lot in his playlist Q. He's got them all. lined up REST to go. All right. So we were gathered here today.

Yeah, yeah. What I was, what my suggestion was that we each kind of pick a scam, give a brief overlay of the scam, and then explain, you know, and then talk about like, okay,

well, you know, you just said that. How does that work? Like I don't understand. And pick holes in the scam, right? Because I give you an example is that,

you know, Zach has had many, many brilliant scams. And then, once you start asking, well, what about this? What about that? Sometimes they, you know, he's like, you know, you can see where they went wrong. It's like, oh, and I ultimately got arrested. Well, why did you get arrested? Oh, because I got a hotel room and I used the fake credit card. Why did you do that? Or, oh, well, originally when the scam started, I had the credit cards

mailed to my sister's house. And it's like, you didn't, well, I didn't think they'd put that together and you know and so it's like okay well that whole scam unraveled based on that one little tiny thing and how would you have done it differently or better or it doesn't even have necessarily be a scam that you've done just when you've kind of thought about and heard about and this is how you think it would work and just kind of like unravel it kind of like the guys when we did that video the other day and we're talking this guy on the phone and I'm sitting there thinking man if he just tweaked this scam a little bit, he probably would make a lot more money just by tweaking a few things to make it more credible and make it not come back. So, you know, on him so

easily, he could probably run this scam for six months and could probably make millions of dollars doing it. He just doesn't. They want to, oh, I'm going to send you $15 million. You just have to send me $15,000. Oh, you're talking about that one that I had. Yeah, I'm saying like that I got scammed on. Well, you never sent the money. No, I mean, but because I kept asking myself, where, where is the scam? Because I'm like, everything seems too perfect. Where is the scam? But I mean, think about what he did.

He really eliminated a ton of potential marks by saying, I need you to send me $6,000. Like if he had had a letter that really looked like a law firm and it really went to a decent law firm website and it was really connected to a lawyer that you could check out. And he had really planted articles about whatever the organization was and how it worked. And then he had simply said, not that, hey, you have to send me $5,000. He had said something reasonable like, look, are, you know, and this is something that most law firms do. When you come in, they say, look, we have a basic fee that just kind of pays the administration fee, which is $450. Like, yeah, I'm going to represent. you on your car crash, but I need you to pay $450 now, and I'll take one third of the payoff

in 18 months when we settle the case. But for now, you have to pay $450 just for the administrative costs. Just to get us going on. Right. How many times could this guy, lots of people can afford 450? That's a real thing. My brother-in-law owns a, he's a retired now, but he had a personal injury attorney firm, and they used to charge $350 is what everybody paid up front. It doesn't matter if you got a million, $2 million, $10 million. Consultation. But I agree. Consultation is like once you sign up, you have to pay this for us to start your file. It's just for the administration to set your file up. It was $350 and all of them were charging it. So it was like so that I'm going to end up spending $350 immediately just to set up your thing.

So you have to pay that. Now I'll work for my one third, but this is just for the staff, let's say. And everybody paid it. Nobody questioned it. Now it would probably be $450,500. But the bottom line is he could get a hundred people to do that and make $45,000 as opposed to getting two people every six months to pay in five grand. You know, he's stupid, stupid. And it's reasonable. And anybody can come up with $450. But I disagree with that on that scam because he's looking for,

like I think his was brilliant because he's looking for people trying to get over. I'm serious because he's basically saying, hey, there's somebody that died with the last name Cox, right? I'm saying that. I understand that. I agree with that. But I'm not saying. So I think asking you for money to get money to participate in a scam,

I think that would scare more people. Because if I told you, look, you're not related to him, but I'm going to try to get you there in inheritance. Give me like $400 and I'll start the process. You'd be like, why the fuck what I start the process? I'm not even rated. I disagree. I would make it, I would, to me, I'd go the entire time.

Like, it's absolutely legitimate. this is a legitimate thing. This person is related to you. And you know, and you as you may be thinking, I'm getting over on him. But if he had said, listen, this person, you know, we actually have somebody who's, whatever, one of these people that put together the trees of, you know, your family tree. We actually have a letter from someone that says that this person is a long loss relative of yours and you actually are supposed to be getting this money. Now, you may think to yourself, I don't think so, but I'm not going to say anything because I think I'm going to get the 15 million dollars. So you may be thinking, I'm getting over on him. And those are the best

scams. The best scams are when the victim thinks he's getting over on you and you're getting over on him. So I think that if you did that and he said, look, we're signing you up for the law firm. You just have to send 450 to set up your file to an administration, administrative firm. Most people would come up with 450. You would have paid the 450 to see if you got the 15 grant. I think you would have. You seemed pretty, you seemed pretty taken in. I was taken in because, like, of the, probably, and this probably still is my character, but I was taken in by the fact that he was trying to do something that wasn't legal.

It's kind of like I'm fishing. You obviously knew it was a scam. You were just trying to figure out where is the scam at? Right. And I was allured in because he's basically saying, look, you know, they have the same last name and this money will go to, like, he interests me in the hustle because he's saying, otherwise this money is going to go to the state.

If nobody claims this money, then it's going to go to the state. So all this money is going to be thrown away. So I'm kind of like wondering if you're interested in getting it. I understand how you were taken in. I'm saying that he would have just said, hey, you are related to that person. Right.

And many, many people would easily pay $450. You stopped dead in your tracks the moment he said $7,000 or $6,000. You were like, oh, wow, that's it. But if he said 450, and if you actually looked it up, is this a real thing? Plus, he could have planted articles about his company doing this for a living. And you would have searched him up and boom, you would have seen these articles. And you'd have been like, man, this is a real thing. This guy really does that. Oh my gosh, I want to get in on this. Then you'd be like, I want to get in on this. And he'd be like, okay, well, it's $450 for us to start the process. That's all you'll pay.

Once we get it, I get 30% of the recovery fee. It takes about 90 days. So how would you like to pay that money? And then he's got 90 days to get a hundred more people the same way. So I think that's the way to fix that scam for this retard. Because he was a complete idiot that he just completely fucked it up. I agree with he fucked it up. And he doesn't speak good English. I see the two points. Like, so Zach is coming at the angle where like this is already a sizable thing.

You know, here's this $15,000 fee and all that. So you're looking at these huge numbers and these big numbers. And if you believe the scam, if you believe the paperwork, then the $10,000, $15,000 fee is... To the bank. It's okay. I also see where you're coming from. And I think that you would get kind of paid more often. Yes.

Because like you're giving all of this stuff. Here's this great looking paperwork. You're looking at it. And then you're, you've got the same understanding that you, oh, okay, this guy's trying to scam. And he's like, hey, you want to get in on this money? so sure such as such he could even go as far as saying I've already paid the beginning half that's what he did of surfacing all of this stuff bringing it to the forefront now we're here so the only fees that to get it started let's file you specifically because I found you we're

going to use you just to get that stuff started is a $49 and keep in mind too let's assume that let's assume that there's a chunk of people that absolutely 100% agree that this This is for sure, for real. I'm going to get the $15,000. I believe that this is going to happen. How many people do you know in the United States right now that legally work a job? I think that number is very low. That legally work.

15%. No, what number? People that are even going to entertain this scam. Wait a second. Wait a second. I'm saying right now in this room, can you come up with $7,000? Can you come up with $7,000? Can you come up with $7,000?

Yep. Most people, legitimate citizens, you're not legit. Um, legitimate citizens, legitimate citizens that, that have regular jobs that make the average income of $40,000, they, they have less than like $2,000 or $3,000 sitting in the bank. They can't come up with $7 or $8,000, but they can come up for $50. This was angled at the roofer. He, he, he, he, I mean, I agree, I don't know that all root all that's, that's a lot of, that's a lot of. So can I ask one qualifying question so I know how to think of this? Who, from what angle Are we saying, are you trying to improve the scam from the scammer or from the, you know what I'm saying?

For the scammer, obviously. So you're saying as a scammer, we'd make more money if, if, if like we did what you said, like better website, better paperwork, put more into it and then ask for a less amount of money for more people. Smaller amount of money. And give mine too. So then I might, I might agree with that. And also maybe. exercise with today's exercise what i'm bringing to the table is exactly that where it's a smaller figure but the effort goes more into the presentation and the success of getting what it is that

you're scamming as opposed to the going and hitting for the 20 30 because i think what you're bringing to the table is along the lines of a bigger score what i'm bringing to the table will be the smaller in but more i think the profit the profit margin is is low. It's lower if you're going to do small amounts, higher quality. Wow. I believe it's a higher quality.

I believe that you'll get a lot more $400, $350 fees from our branch to get this stuff going. And then it's the angle where he's like, well, you know, here's the paperwork. Listen, take your time. But, you know, you kind of got a small window here. And if you don't like it, don't call back. like I'm not here to I'm offering you something see you later by yeah I can go to my I would rather make up on follow you have to have somebody monitoring the phone you you're you're talking about a lot of expense you're it's you're talking about a lot of expense though yeah I understand this is your hustle

so you'll have because people buy numbers and send out text messages that you have a package in order just to get your credit card number to sell it on the dark web I mean and I'm thinking myself like what do you sell them for 10 bucks so you send all those texts out I mean I'm going ask myself, what is the profit margin? You know, so I guess they're also in another country, too. So the profit margin in another country is vastly different. So you make $4,000 a month in another country. That's like making $20,000 a month here.

Yeah, you're right. That's a lot of money. Or $4 or $500. I don't know. And that's what I asked myself, like, what the hell can you be gaining? So I think the profit would be lower, but because you're going to have to have someone man the phone. You're not going to be able to send, because you've got to send out more.

Well, he's picking, he's, he's, he's sitting at home answering the phone himself. I think, you're not sitting at home answering the phone of yourself. If you're doing $4.99, bro, you got to, you got to send out like that's probably, you might have to send out like three or $400. I think he was a rookie. 10% of that was. Oh, he was, he was, he was, and somebody gave him something and, and he just kind of formulated that. Yeah, that letter was, I don't see that that that guy with that hustle was, but, you know, and he sounded like a hood anyway. He sounded like he was grocery shopping and then with four.

kids, yeah, no, I'll call you back. But think about it like this, too. And email. Yeah, email, in another country, like, he's going to Thailand. What can you live for in Thailand? A month? Yeah. 200 bucks.

Oh, yeah, I wish. That's 1970. About 1,500 U.S. dollars a month. You can live a very, very comfortable life in Southeast Asia. You should see the condos. We're not talking about a shithole condo that looks like a motel. We're talking about these buildings were built. 20th.

Yeah, yeah, last year, two years ago. you know looking over the beach yeah insane high-rise luxury condos for about 550 600 dollars a month 23rd floor 30th oh when you were saying that number you were quoting was your total living expense every everything oh no you can get a place for 250 for 250 but I'm saying he's gonna be living we're talking about like 20th floor concierge this is like living in a brand of town if my price If my price point was $1,000 a month, and I wanted something out there, you're saying that I could live.

You want to pay $1,000 a month for rent? Yes. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You would get the equivalent up here, but you have to pay like one of those apartments downtown, like Tampa, like $4,000, $1,000, $1,000, $1,000,000, $1,000,000, $1,000,000,000. You get one of those from about $1,000. They denied me twice.

Yeah, well, these guys just pay, these guys that you walk in, you just, you just, no credit check, no background check. You have the money? Southeast Asia, really. going to Thailand, but Southeast Asia. We got it. Can we come visit? How much is a meal to eat out? A meal to eat out? Two dollars. Two dollars and fifty cents. U.S. U.S. You get a giant plate of like noodles, chicken, rice with like, so say all four of us went out and we all got whatever entree

we wanted. We all had a big round of drinks and all that. The total price for all four of us would probably somewhere in the neighborhood of about $30 to $35. U.S. Wow. And listen, forget forget that part of it. You have, you've, when, we're done, you have to send the videos. When he shows you the video, and it's not one video, there's hundreds of videos of people just going out to eat. Like, you should see the meals they're getting. Yeah, please, send us the video. It's not crap. It's not like a McDonald's meal. We're talking about home cook, like, like this is like going to bonefish grill. They're bringing out salmon. They're bringing out. And even, even McDonald's is cheaper over there. Like over here,

you're going to pay like, what, $15 for a value meal now? It's like $6.50, $7. US over there for the same thing that we pay $15, $20 for here. Yeah. Yeah, Southeast Asia is definitely, I think, where it's at. If you want to take your U.S. dollars and see how far you can stretch them. Of course. Yeah, three bucks. What is it?

Three dollars a month? The infrastructure, listen, the infrastructure in Southeast Asia is rivals and surpasses anything that you see here in the United States. They're public, their public transportation. I can show you the videos, the public transportation, the streets are clean. Like, the crime is low. It's socialized. So the public transportation is part of your taxes.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, dude, the crime is low over there. So here's the reason I have, like after sitting with him long enough, I've had many conversations with Jess. But the bottom line is, which is my wife, the bottom line is in the end, you know, this podcast is based on 70% of it is people coming in person to meet with me. Now, if I could, if I could do it all remotely and get the same amount of views and income,

Well, then I could live like a king over there. Yeah. But my fear is that if I were to go over there, then I would lose a chunk. And I have all editors in the United States, you know, running or doing the, all the editing and everything. So you can't, suddenly, suddenly everything would drop down and you can't afford to pay that. You can't, you don't have a place. And my fear is that everything's working so well right now. Why would I take that leap?

But that's right now, though. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Things could change. but you know um not i want to make it Taiwan yeah but i'm a vlogger i i vlog that's what i do i like to just grab the camera and go run out and do stuff in public you know whatever i'm doing i like that's that's the that's the kind of content i like he has whatever it is he has videos he has there's videos there's channels complete channels exactly like the channel he's going to well

we can get into that later but he's starting a channel when he goes there's guys that have Americans, guys from Ohio that have moved there, got a condo, got a girlfriend. Pretty little Thai wife. Yeah, and move there. And their whole thing is just about, hey, I'm going here today. Hey, I'm doing this. Hey, I just worked for two hours and made, you know, they're doing. Guys that couldn't get laid here in a house are going over there.

And they have like just the most beautiful girl you've ever seen. Yeah, gorgeous little, little tie chicks. And then they're making their money. Is that a channel you're specifically starting? Patreon maybe There's a bunch of other videos Guys just like him that went there Started a YouTube channel

And probably worked a day job Doing some kind of digital You know something like Usually marketing A lot of these guys They do marketing or they do editing or something Until eventually their YouTube channel takes off And they don't even have to do that

Now I just now they just make three videos a week And put them up about their life in Thailand And how much everything costs And here I'm going here And oh I just got did this And my girlfriend and I are doing that Wow That's their whole channel

Do they get, do they get paid American rate? Yeah. Because Thailand cannot be happier. Thailand could not be happier about that. You're still a U.S. citizen, so you're still paying taxes to the U.S. so I'm still getting U.S. dollars every month. I just live abroad. I'm still a U.S. citizen.

I still pay taxes on everything I make. You know what I mean? Wow. I'm interested. Yeah, it is. You know, and listen, I didn't understand any of this. Yeah, so I just turned it down at two degrees. I didn't understand any of this.

until I started, you know, actually really digging into it and watching the YouTube videos and watching a lot of these guys that are over there vlogging and making videos, talking about the cost of living, talking about just, you know, the culture, the society, how things operate over there. I had no clue, you know, I thought it was all fucking, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't know, like it's, you know, because we live in such a bubble here. And we're made to believe that the U.S. is the center of the universe. We have it better than everybody else. Our culture is better. Our economy's better. You know what I mean? win, win, win, American. We push that American excellence where we really just focus on the

individuals. So everybody's kind of just like this narcissistic. I'm out to make as much money as I can and take selfies. It's a different culture once you get over on the other side of the world, a completely different culture. You know, crime is so low over there because the consequences are swift and severe. Swift and severe. And also, we talked about this, and I haven't seen a video and this was we just had this discussion that that basically what what it used to be like here back in the you know a hundred years ago yeah was you know if you saw somebody throw something on the garbage on the ground you'd be like hey like four or five people around there but oh hey bro what did you just do and the guy would pick it up you just kind of that that that shame and yeah shame and we're now

be like fuck you mind your own business but that's not how it is over there the culture over there is completely different they have something called saving face over there so they don't like they don't, won't disrespect each other and like, you know what I mean? Like call each other out in public and make it, make it, the lose face. So the, the, the cultures are completely different than what American

society is over there. You don't go on social media and talk shit about some, oh, this fucking restaurant sucks. This guy. No, they have, um, what are those laws called? Um, where you defame or you defamation? The defamation laws over in Thailand are crazy. Like, you can't leave bad reviews on restaurants.

You'll go to jail. Wow. Straight to jail. You know what I mean? It's a completely different operation. They don't even have words for probation. First time offender. No, if you break the law over there, listen, their jail, their jails over there are just like,

it's 25 dudes in one room sleeping shoulder to shoulder on a cement floor, no mats, no pillows. I heard they give you one meal. There's toilet, there's a toilet, the toilet is a whole. There's a toilet as a hole in the corner of the room and the ground. And that's where everybody just squats over it and takes a dump. Oh, yeah, like, you do not want to go to prison in Thailand. The third strike, their third strike law is death. It happens on the first arrest.

But possession of drugs and like with like distribution and like all that, it's life. Punishable by life. You get life automatic off rip. This is why they're crime rate. You got to try and figure out how to get your time down. That's why their crime. Dude, there's no violent crime over there. I mean, listen, it happens.

People get murdered. People get assaulted. People get drunk and drive their cars through the front and front of stores and shit over there it happens like i'm not saying like it's just not on a daily it's a utopia but listen the the amount of violent crime that happens here in the u.s like just walking to walmart i can get killed like you know what i mean like somebody can just pull up on me and shing me in the head for no reason like you don't have to worry about those things over there in southeast asia those those it's not even a factor like you can just leave your purse somewhere like if you're at a table at a

restaurant you can leave your purse and go to the bathroom and you can come back and your purse is going to be there with all your money in it i can't tell you how many times i've had my or your wallet or your phone like I don't need my iPhone and that was in prison like your iPhone like talking about your iPhone I can eat my iPhone on the table in a restaurant and I can just go to the bathroom and I can come back and my iPhone's going to be there nobody's going to you know oh look nobody's going to take that type of stuff doesn't appeal to me the security and safety I'm usually the bad guy yeah I'm not worried about other bad guys you off you're like you lost that 25 years for a charge.

That's the way you lost me. I'm already thinking about. And the bad reviews. People still trapped drugs through there. People still do wild, giant fraudulent, you know, like 20 billion bot and frauds. And you see it in the news every day. But what you don't see on the other end of that is how much time those people get in the, in the, in the consequences for what, you know what I mean? Like, it's insane.

Yeah, because you never hear about it. What happened to Bob? What happened to Bob? Yeah. I know we were selling drugs. picked up. Yeah. And then you see stuff like with those cops arresting people. Oh,

it's not like, it's what it? Yeah. They're like, doosh, do, yeah, they just, all that police brutality should know they, exactly police brutality. Yeah, they're like, that's what we do. You're getting your ass beat. Don't commit crimes. I don't have to beat you. I don't

see that as different from America. Thanks for my police blue brutality. Well, no, they don't bitch you mind. They're not going to march in the street if somebody gets their ass beat by the police over there. It just, it's a It's just accepted. It's just a part of life. Here, use my shoe.

The problem is that people are like, beat his ass. As an American, you need to move there and know that you have an income. Because you're not going to go there and take a tie job, because if you're taking a tie job, you're not living in the condo. Well, no, they don't let foreigners work. They don't let foreign. In general, the jobs that are not paying. You're here to spend money and not suck up our resources. Well, you would have to live like a tie.

So they call it living like the locals. And you can go over there and live like a time. over there and live like a Thai local, but, you know, they live very, very simple. You know what I mean? Like the Thai people over there, they make about, I think, $500 or $600 or $600 a month is a basic salary for a Thai person. So there's like the haves and the have-nots. Lots of have-nots. They call it a high-so, high society. If you go there as an American and you can generate enough, let's say you do editing work, you know, like Colby could pick up and go there and make himself for five thousand dollars part time working up on on like a website like upwork he could

just do that make five grand a month and live like he was in the united states making a hundred thousand dollars well let's say fifty thousand dollars a month there but he can't go there and take a regular job and maintain that because now he's going to get a right not that they were going to let you take a job but if you're just working like a regular like a regular tie person you're not living in that condo on the 30th floor So you have to go there as an American and be able to get American wages. You have to have U.S. dollars to live a decent life. You have to have U.S. income.

Yeah, a digital, what are they going? A digital nomads, right? Or the GDP, the Great British Pound, which is almost twice what the American dollar is against the bot. Okay. No. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's only a dollar.

He's got bought. He's already got. The dollar and the pound are almost. So $1. So $1 is 35 bots. One great British pound. It's 45, 50 bots. What a bot?

It's a Thai bot. It's their dollar. Yeah. It's the currency in Thailand. That's what they call. They don't call them dollars. They call them bots. Right.

That's all right. Okay. But I mean, he's already got, he's already got cash. He's already been buying the Thai bots. I have 30,000 Thai bot physical cash. I'm taking over there with me. That was like 900, 900 US dollars was 32, that I'm taking over there with me. This is totally going off the rails, by the way.

We're supposed to be back to. What? You know what, though? I think people are kind of, I don't, I think they don't listen to anything. With you four guys, I think they're... Yeah, but I mean, what we're supposed to be... Well, this will also be picked up and put at the end.

I was going to say, you could cut this and put it at the end. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, let's call the entire conversation. Can we jump back to, yeah. Yeah, I'll probably say, well, you... You started them in Thailand. It just reminded me. It just reminded me.

I didn't know it was going to go off on the rails. On 10. I'm like, how many more of these can we do before December 3rd? So what about, yeah, because we're going to do a whole. episode. We're going to do a whole episode just on like, we're just dedicated to Thailand. Right. Just the start of him, how he got to that point, what the procedures he went through to kind of figure that out, and then what life is like there, and then what his goal, like the whole thing, we need to do an hour. Yeah, and this is a good, this will be a good space where at the end,

we're like, check out, check out, check out six. Yeah, yeah. Watch Zach's old videos. Right, yeah. Because you can go down, you can go down a rabbit hole on time. Every time he turns it on and I sit down, I'm not been sitting on the couch anymore. He'll pull up these YouTube videos and I sit on the couch and an hour and a half, two hours later. I'm like, what fuck am I doing? I just lost two hours watching because I'm so, I'm just so like, I can't believe this. Yeah. Like this is amazing. And it'd be different of it was one guy, but he, there's, there's eight different guys that he kind of follows it. Oh, check this guy out and he'll click it and boom. This guy does this. He travels around East Asia and just a normal American being a normal American. And the guy's making, he's got to be

making five or six thousand dollars a month just on his YouTube. channel just traveling around a couple of guys I watch over there from Australia and where I'm traveling around and the Australian dollar sucks against against the bot it's like 22 bot per every one US or Australian dollar which is not it sucks and there's

Australia is struggling too yeah they're struggling their currency is down yeah they're definitely they've always been fighting from behind those Aussies yeah I posted that picture of you guys and people are already coming in like oh like I can't wait I feel like this should be a weekly lineup I should have been doing this.

That's what the police said. I was going to say. Can't believe we got them all in one spot. The problem is, the problem of that is that Boziac's going to be gone in a couple of weeks. Zach may go back to jail for summer. God knows why. I'm working. He's safe, huh?

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