Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Fraudster's Massive Operation | Counterfeits, Bank Scams & More!

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Starting point is 00:01:39 The Ocean Gate Titan submersible, a preventable tragedy, a two-part series available now on shipwrecks and sea dogs. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. I started doing counterfeiting and the 50s were always perfect. I would make IDs all the time at Kinko's. The credit card number would be on receipts. So I just call it in to buy a train ticket. While I'm staying with him, I steal one of his credit cards. You're a good friend. life. Hey, if you got anything bad, don't walk this yard. You'll get killed. But I'm like, I'm good, you know? You're not good. I know, but I feel like I'm okay. Cup opens the door and, hey, the warden wants you. I realize I need to have like a story to like stand on. So I'll just go with like the first like

Starting point is 00:02:26 tragedy that kind of like set me on this, you know, yeah. My uncle who was kind of like my brother, he was like five years older than me, my mom's baby brother, was in a car crash. Every one of my family is sitting in the living room and crying. And I thought something had happened to my kid brother for some reason because I didn't see him. My stepdad at the time takes me outside and he's like, you know, Victor was last night in a car crash. And I literally, almost like a movie, like dropped to my knees and screamed. I was like, no, no, no. And like, man, it was like the hardest.

Starting point is 00:03:03 He was like, we hung out every day. We used to, like, drink beer and play Monopoly. He was just really close. And, like, I cried talking about it forever. Fast forward to the next week. At his funeral, I did some... And it was the first time I'd ever did with some of my uncle's older friends. Because they all, you know, knew me and loved me because I was always with my uncle.

Starting point is 00:03:27 And kind of as a tag-along. And I just started working. I guess this is the first time I ever did any kind of, like... And not a scam or, like fraud, but I took the company gas card. It was a Chevron card. And they had these Chevron stores that you could buy headphones or a Walkman, you know, like the little tape player Walkman, you know. And I remember just running that up, you know, buy some Raybans.

Starting point is 00:03:52 I remember those years the first nice pair of sunglasses I ever had. Put it on the gas card. And so anyway, lost that job, ran up the gas card. You know, he got pissed. Of course, you know, he used that excuse to fire me. But I knew I was, I was going to say it's a good excuse. Yeah. I mean, this is not free money.

Starting point is 00:04:10 Yeah. Yeah. And, but, you know, I guess that was kind of my first taste. I never really thought about that. And then I opened a checking account and I realized I could write bad checks. Right. So, you know, in my name, you know. There's got to be money.

Starting point is 00:04:29 It's got to be money in the bank account. I just thought. I still have checks in the book. Yeah. Yeah. And I did that for, just for like groceries. And I went to, I took the Amtrak train to Aspen one time and paid for it all with that with bad checks and bought skis and like these bright fluorescent outfits, you know, like ski outfits back in the day. So ugly.

Starting point is 00:05:00 But I just thought it was so cool. But it was all with bad checks. I hate to interrupt the program, but if you didn't know, my name's Matthew Cox, and I spent 13 years in prison for title theft. And this is how easy title theft is. I can be sitting in a Starbucks with my computer. I can go online, go to public records, get your address, name of the homeowner. I can create a deed, a satisfaction of mortgage. I can file that satisfaction of mortgage.

Starting point is 00:05:28 I can then transfer the name of your home into someone else's name, or I can simply create a driver's license in the true homeowner's name. I can then sell the home or borrow against the home, and I can do all of that online sitting in Starbucks. I can apply for the mortgages online. I can open up the bank accounts online. I can go to the closing online. I can have all the documents notarized online, and I can have all of the money wired into

Starting point is 00:05:58 my bank accounts online. I can then transfer that money out of those accounts to other accounts, or maybe I could buy precious metals, I could buy diamonds, and I can have all of that delivered anywhere I want by sitting in Starbucks. That's how easy it is to commit this crime now. And it's happening more and more every single day. If you think that you're not vulnerable, you're dead wrong. Do you know who's a potential victim of this crime? Anybody that owns a house. Anybody that thinks I can't be a victim is just absolutely dead wrong. I'm telling you right now, if you own a piece of property, you are a potential victim. The only way to stop the crime is to be notified by a monitoring service like Home Title Lock. Home Title Lock monitors your property records,

Starting point is 00:06:48 alerts you of any changes, and if you are a victim, they jump in with their team of restoration experts to resolve the issue. You can get a 30-day free trial of their triple lock protection and a complementary title history report by going to hometidallock.com and using promo code mat 30 or click on the link in the description box. Don't let someone like me catch you off guard. So we moved to Utah. I was working at Sears selling carpet and I was able to open an account there and I did the same thing, wrote some bad checks, but I got busted for it. That's my first time ever in jail. I was there for 30 days.

Starting point is 00:07:30 It seemed like 10 years. When I got out, I thought money looked different, you know. Man, this money is so weird and small, man. It was crazy. It was 30. I think it's crazy now because I've done so much time. Right. In 30 days, I'd be like, hell yeah, I'm getting out in 30 days.

Starting point is 00:07:49 I'm going to do some pushups or whatever. and I was supposed to check in with the PO, but I went straight back to California. So I met this girl, and we fell in love, and she was like, everyone wanted this girl out of all those guys in Hollywood, so everyone was like jealous of me. And it was just a weird thing anyway.

Starting point is 00:08:07 And we end up getting married. We stay in Hollywood for a little bit. Then we go, we moved to Montana. Her parents owned a Sears store up there. I ended up working for her parents. Lisa had having four. financial trouble, so we're arguing all the time. And so we think, for some reason, that we should move back to California.

Starting point is 00:08:29 It just, I got an argument with her dad one time, and I head butted him, and he got this big, like, nod on his head. And, yeah, it was, it was nuts. So they ended up kind of not liking me anymore, but kind of had to because I was married to their daughter, you know? And, but she wanted to take a go at it, acting again. You should go back and do improv stuff.

Starting point is 00:08:58 And we were just trudging along. And then, and then she was in a car accident. My wife, my wife was killing a car accident. How did that happen? It was a drunk driver. She went to see her sister in a play in Seattle. And, yeah, she was in this car accident. accident. I was supposed to be there, but yeah, a drunk driver hit them and she was killed.

Starting point is 00:09:28 So this is the second person that's been, that's why I'm super like winning my friends drink and drive dude. I get super upset. And yeah, and I just kind of went off the deep end. I was like in the took time off work, was in like the fetal position for a month on my couch. And this guy, he's used to work in my lab. I was a systems engineer. I got my MCSC. That's what I left out. I got my MCSC.

Starting point is 00:09:59 It's a Microsoft certified systems engineer. You take like six tests, five tests and an elective. And so this guy used to come check on me. And he always bring me food, make sure I was okay. Like didn't kill. I think he just come and check to see if he ever found a body for real. Right. He would bring me McDonald's.

Starting point is 00:10:21 He brought me this McDonald's. He's like, hey, man, I put some speed in your orange juice. Just get you off this couch. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool, man. Cool. Yeah, I'm okay. I'm okay.

Starting point is 00:10:33 And I thought my vision of speed is like cross tops or mini-thens. The old trucker speed you could get at the, like, or like Robin's eggs. These are all like 70s like speed that, you know, go around school. It's like little pills, you know, pharmaceutical pills. And, uh, and his idea. Yellow jackets, you know, there's all kinds of different, different ones. What was his idea of speed? Uh, meth.

Starting point is 00:10:58 Right. Yeah. Crank. Yeah. And, uh, man, it, I felt so good. It felt so good. I, I, like, God, you know, I, I was laying there. I felt it come on. And, um, I was like, what the hell? My head was tingly.

Starting point is 00:11:17 You know, I was like, whoa, what the heck, man? and like I got it went and looked in the mirror and my face was all like my eyes were open you know my pupils were big I was just like it was just the most amazing feeling I'd ever had to come from such a low right to such a high it wasn't just like I was um you know we're at a party drinking and like hey did you just try this do a line you know and you get high you're already high drunk high but you get high and you know maybe you like it maybe you don't it keeps you up but to be from such a low and I thought about this for you know a long time because I became such this raging addict. Like, you know, not, one of my therapists told me, you're not really like a drug addict. You're like an adrenaline junkie because you just want to feel the rush, feel the rush, feel the rush. You don't want to like just feel high and just like marinate in it, you know,

Starting point is 00:12:09 and, you know, go flail and be tweaky somewhere. You like just want to just keep getting high and like have that adrenaline. But anyway, got up, shaved, clean myself. up, you know, went to a strip bar, the seventh veil in Hollywood, met this stripper. She was from North Carolina. And just talking to her, I'm leaving off my credit cards now because I'm not working. I'm paying everything with credit cards. And so I'm like buying lap dances from her and she's just like hanging on to me. She sees me. I'm spending money. And, and I'm high as, as F and she's like

Starting point is 00:12:50 actually she's like are you high? I'm like yeah so I told her the story you know like like yeah my wife died I was on the couch and this guy brought me some speed and and she's like well get some more and I'll get high with you and I'm just like okay so I call the dude and he's like yeah yeah sure sure so he brings me like a little bindle you know and and that lasts me a couple days you know

Starting point is 00:13:11 like a like a quarter or a half gram like last me a couple days we end up selling to her friends and um so she She, like, knows this guy, this Mexican guy. We can get it, you know, cheaper and better. And she's like, we'll just buy an ounce and we'll sell to all my girlfriends. And I'm basically, she's staying with me. I'm staying with her, you know, a couple nights that we're inseparable, though. Right.

Starting point is 00:13:32 She introduced to me this Mexican guy. I start buying ounces from him. But because I'm so clean cut, he wants me to go buy glassware from, like, this chemical place, like, big flask that you cook in. Right. I kind of knew that's what he was doing, but I just, like, pretended I didn't know what I knew what he was doing. He's like, hey, if you go to this place and get me, like, these two big flask and, you know, this condenser and all these, these, these, like, chemistry lab things, I'll hook you up, you know. Anyway, him and I become really close because I got a little bit of snap to me, you know, but I'm not like, you know, like Serenio gangster guy. And that's kind of what this guy was.

Starting point is 00:14:15 Right. And I didn't even know what a Serenia was at that time. I'm getting that stuff for him. Him and I have a pretty good relationship. Even when I'm not buying that stuff, he's fronting me, you know, quarter pounds. I start selling to all the drag queens down on Santa Monica Boulevard. And that was a whole new world for me. You know, I'd come in, hey, ladies, what's going on?

Starting point is 00:14:35 Hey, you look good. Those are new shoes? Just always flirting with all the drag queens. And he used to drive my girlfriend nuts, the stripper chick. She's like, are you gay? You know? I was like, no, I'm just. having fun.

Starting point is 00:14:47 And, uh, but they would, they would pay a lot. Right. And, um, her and I, we, we, we would go on like little trips to, like, sell their friends, her friends over here. We went to North Carolina a couple times. We'd take the train. We took the train everywhere. And, uh, we'd get a sleeping car on the train.

Starting point is 00:15:03 Have you ever taken an Amtrak? No. Yeah, we'd get like a sleeping car and they had like a bar car. We went to Marty Graw one time on the train. Um, yeah, came down through here, went up back up to Chicago on the train. We'd go. go back and we would just like, you know, be high and drink. But there was this one point where I didn't have no drugs, no money.

Starting point is 00:15:23 And I would always use my credit card to buy a train ticket. Well, back then, the credit card number would be on receipts, like the whole number. Yeah, yeah. And I, this is the craziest thing. I used to think about this all the time. Like, if I wouldn't have found this receipt, would I have ever done this? I found this receipt and had the number on it. And so I just call it in to buy a train ticket.

Starting point is 00:15:45 ticket and it works. It, like, totally worked. And so I get a train ticket from L.A. to Washington, D.C. By this time, I'm already looking for more receipts. So I have, like, kind of a little stack of receipts that I'm going to try, you know. And I would do, I would walk through parking lots and look through receipts, Home Depot parking lots and look through receipts just to get these numbers. And sometimes they would work. Sometimes they wouldn't, because I wouldn't know the zip code. you know, I would have to like guess, okay, that Home Depot was in that as a code. Right. But I did that for a while.

Starting point is 00:16:20 But I was also selling drugs. I didn't have to do it all the time. But it was always like a, even if I had money, if I could get one of those to work, I would do it. We go up to Germantown, Gatorsburg. It's all, these are all towns in Maryland. We go up there and, uh, I'm at this Denny's and I hear these guys talking behind me and they're talking about drugs. And this Denny's is in the parking lot of this, uh, of this hotel. and they're talking about drugs and so and I'm looking at my girlfriend I'm like

Starting point is 00:16:50 and do you hear these guys she's like yeah I'm dude I've never strong-armed anybody ever in my life I'm kind of a pussy that way you know what I mean like to like take a gun and be like yeah to give me all your money and uh even though I pretended to be that guy for a long time in prison right yeah but uh I I told myself and be super rigorously honest And, you know, I'm here with you. Maybe I should be too honest. I come home and I'd be like, what? What do you do?

Starting point is 00:17:19 You're a weirdo, man. But I already kind of warned her, you know, gave her heads up. But she knows, she knows them soft as cotton. But, I mean, you know, I'm just being self-deprecating. I, um. So you guys are talking about drugs. Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:17:35 You're good at that. You're good at that. These guys are talking about drugs. I watch them. They go right up to this room. at the hotel. Well, somewhere in my travels, I got this jacket that says police on the back

Starting point is 00:17:51 and on the shoulder it says like border or something. I can't remember what it said, but it was like a windbreaker. I had that and we go back to our room and I'm like, I'm going to go rob these guys. She's like, what? I was like, yeah, because they look pretty lame, you know, and even though I was lame,

Starting point is 00:18:10 I thought, I can take these guys. And I've never been in a fight, you know, except for like with cousins, you know, when I was a kid or, you know, stupid shit like that. And I think I can take these guys. So I'm going to go for it, man. And I don't know what gave me the nuts to do this. Do you have a gun? I have nothing. I have nothing.

Starting point is 00:18:31 No fake badge, no anything. Just this jacket, you know. What am I going to come in backwards, you know? Right. Please, please. So anyway. So I like pound on the door. They open it.

Starting point is 00:18:44 And I like push the guy. Come in. Please. You know, give me the drugs. You know, it was like the stupidest thing. He's like, they're like, what? What the hell? That's a windbreaker.

Starting point is 00:18:53 Yeah. Yeah. You got nothing but a windbreaker. Yeah. Dude. This guy comes out of the bathroom and he says police. And I'm like, what the hell? And I just run, dude.

Starting point is 00:19:06 So they were the police? There was a cop in there. But I think. those dudes, I think those dudes didn't know that or I don't know, man, because I just got scared and ran. He's like, police and I just, I just got scared and ran. I would love to say, like, those guys got scared too and we're like, what, you're a cop, but I don't know.

Starting point is 00:19:26 So I run, I take the jacket off, put it in this trash can, go around the building, go open to my room, and I just hang out there. Mind you, this room is all being paid with fake credit cards, you know, not fake credit cards, But, you know, stolen credit cards. Yes. And so I go in there and I tell her, I'm like, oh, my God, man, it didn't work. And there was a cop there. She's like, what are you talking about?

Starting point is 00:19:49 And I tell her. And she's like, what does none of that makes sense? I'm like, I know it's crazy. Like an hour later maybe, I hear this boom, boom, boom, boom, police at our hotel room. You were like, that, no, that's the police. That's the police. That's how they knock. I got the knock all wrong.

Starting point is 00:20:09 Yeah, yeah. And so I look in the P-Phole and I can see there's like some like down the hallway and there's one like standing like off the side. It's not one guy in a windbreaker. No, it's not. So the dude opens the door. And while I open the door. I'm like, hey, what's up? And they like come in.

Starting point is 00:20:26 They're like, are you so-and-so? The fake name or whatever fake name I used. Cecil Vinikoff. That's the name I used. I forgot about that name. Cecil Vinikov. Okay. And I love.

Starting point is 00:20:40 I loved that name, man. I don't know why I love that name. So anyway, so they asked me questions. They realized, you know, can we see the card you pay for the room? They realized that that was lame. They found all these, like, numbers written down in the hotel stationery. I remember that specific because it was part of my, like, discovery. Right.

Starting point is 00:20:59 I get arrested. They take me to jail. I'm trying to talk to my girlfriend, you know, to get me bailed out. My bail was cheap. They got me for impersonating law enforcement Using you know Numbers that weren't mine I can't remember what they called it

Starting point is 00:21:17 She finds a bail bondsman That's gonna take one of these checks that we had And I commit fraud to get me out of To give me bond on my fraud charge And I did and I didn't think it was gonna work I had just ordered a bunch of canteen And the cops like hey Yarber roll it up And first thing we do is is get it

Starting point is 00:21:38 train ticket to go to Boston. I don't know. stolen credit card. I was stolen credit card. So we get a train ticket from there to Boston. I bought the whole package from there to Boston to Chicago, lay over for a couple days,

Starting point is 00:21:52 and then go to L.A. Aren't you afraid they'll figure it out? Like halfway through the... That's happened one time. Okay. And got kicked off. We go up to Boston. We get a room at the Boston Harbor Hotel.

Starting point is 00:22:03 So we stay there and we're just like living out these fake credit cards. I have friends sent wire. me money here and there, you know, when they would. But, you know, all the friends that I had, you know, when I was, when I was a citizen, you know, like normal. Yeah. Not a drug addict.

Starting point is 00:22:17 They were starting to see that. Yeah. It was all, everything I'm telling them's lies. Yeah. You know, I would say, oh, I'm doing a project up here for, you know, AT&T or Microsoft, you know, because that's what I did. Um, I didn't travel a ton, but I traveled a little bit back then. But anyway, they're starting to realize that I'm no good at that, at that time.

Starting point is 00:22:37 So we get back to California. We get some drugs and I get another train ticket to go. It's a wine tasting train on Amtrak. So you basically go from L.A. to Seattle and you like you sip wine and there's like wine tasting. And you go through Napa Valley through the vineyards. And I get a hold of a friend that used to live where I lived in Montana and he lives in Calispo. So we take the train to Calispell. Well, while I'm staying with him, I steal one of his credit cards.

Starting point is 00:23:15 You're a good friend. Yeah. Oh, man. Like, that one really hurt. No, it really did. Nobody's more upset about this than me. Yeah. I feel like your friend was more upset than you.

Starting point is 00:23:29 Well, I mean, him and his wife went with me on my honeymoon. You know, his wife was my wedding coordinator. It gets worse, okay. Yeah, like we all went to Mexico to Mazatlan together on my honeymoon. And so they just thought that was me. And they thought now it's, you know, oh, it's poor Sam. You know, of course we're going to let him come stay. Right.

Starting point is 00:23:48 You know, but I got this new girlfriend. But as soon as they seen her, because she's a stripper, you know, and she walked, talked, everything like a stripper. And they seen me where I'm not, you know, I'm a addict. Right, yeah, you know, you're not the guy that used to know. No, not even a little bit. And so we get there, I steal a credit card. I order a new laptop, and I have it sent to their house with their credit card.

Starting point is 00:24:14 And the laptop comes, I said, oh, that's, you know, they had to send that to me because I needed to work from here. Right. You know, just making up lies. That's perfect. Like if it shows up, they go, yeah, yeah, I had that order from 18. Not them not realizing they just paid for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I said, it really hurt me.

Starting point is 00:24:36 Like, once I got clean and realized all the bridges, you know, that was kind of one of the big ones. And they won't talk to me. I've reached out, you know, the night staff, you know, to make amends. And so I do that. And we end up going back to, we're going to Seattle back down to L.A. But now I got this, you know, just new laptop. And, and, but of course, they realize when we get to Seattle, this is, I just know this from the discovery again. They realize when we get to Seattle that I've stolen from them.

Starting point is 00:25:16 So they call the police. We're halfway between Portland and L.A. We get to a stop. And as we're, as we're slowing down to this stop, I realize this isn't one of our normal. almost stops. Right. Because it doesn't stop at every little town. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:34 It stops like a bigger town. But we're stopping at this little town. It's slowing down and like there's these ATVs like on like against the train like coming with it. But they weren't like police ATVs. They're like railroad worker type ATVs. And I'm looking at my girlfriend. I'm like, dude, do you see that?

Starting point is 00:25:55 And we're slowing down because I, you know, I'm worried. Like I already know like they're going to find out. pretty soon. Right. So like now I'm like, I hope this isn't for us, you know, I hope this isn't for us. So I separate from her and go sit with this other guy. And so we're not together, you know, because they're going to be looking for a couple. Right. And man, I bought her this teddy bear. And I only bring this up for a reason. I bought her this teddy bear. She loved this teddy bear. She took it with her everywhere. Like it was almost weird, you know. And she, what she called that teddy bear?

Starting point is 00:26:31 Man, I wish I could remember the name. I would, anyway, she called, there was the name for it. And like, all my friends thought it was creepy. You know, like, it wasn't a teddy bear. I was like, no, no, she likes the teddy bear. And, uh, so the cops were looking for a girl with a teddy bear and a guy, you know, who is, you know, my description.

Starting point is 00:26:51 So we separate. And, uh, so the conductor comes on. He's, like, looking like this. You know, I'm just like on the computer. you're everything cool everything's cool and then we see these like cops come on big cops

Starting point is 00:27:04 like these cops are like they're just big cops and uh or maybe I just remember it that way and they're like walking through and they're looking everybody and they see her with the teddy bear

Starting point is 00:27:16 and they're like what's your name and she's like all nervous like you know Beatrice you know whatever Montgomery and um she

Starting point is 00:27:26 they like stay right there and they like come down and they see me and they know it they know it's me for some reason like they don't have a picture of me they just i must have just been like trying to pretend maybe the wedding uh planner still has pictures from your wedding oh absolutely yeah i guess i guess they would right maybe like oh i have a picture of him from Mexico from we went to Vegas one time we all went to Disneyland we did a lot of things together yes i guess i guess they probably did. I just don't remember them having one like looking like that. Anyways, they're like, are you Sam Yarbrough?

Starting point is 00:28:01 I was like, no, I'm Cecil. I'm Cecil. They're like, are you Sam Yarbrough? They see some ID. I was like, I'm Sam Yarbrough, you know. And they're like, they grab the laptop. And I was playing a, you don't know Jack. Do you remember that game? It's like a, like, you don't know Jack. It's like a trivia game. Anyway, I was playing you don't know Jack. but they didn't say they take the laptop

Starting point is 00:28:25 yeah they did take the laptop they took the laptop um because I gave a laptop to someone on a train one time and just gave it to him I don't know why but that wasn't this time and uh you should have given it to him that time here hold this man would you like a teddy bear

Starting point is 00:28:42 here yeah hold that teddy bear yeah watch them take those two away yeah there's not us it's not up yeah these people so um so I got they booked me in jail. They book her to.

Starting point is 00:29:00 There's a warrant for us, both of us, in Calispell. So they booked me in this little weird jail in Siskew County. Or is it, I went from Dunsmere to Siski or Siskew to Dunsmuir. I can't remember. But it was one of those. They called it Snitch Jew County, all the, all the, you know. Yeah. It's, you know.

Starting point is 00:29:21 And I don't know anything about this time. Right. I'm still a square, but I mean, I should have showed you on any of my shirt before we started. But, yeah, it's a, anyway, all these skis, so I get in this jam, they're like, hey, white boy, come over here. And I don't know shit, you know, I don't know the lingo. I don't know. This is California now. Right.

Starting point is 00:29:40 You know, and, you know, you've probably heard the stories or met people, you know, by now that, you know, they're just a, you know, different kind of dude, you know, with their head back and with their breast mustache, you know, even, even the white. boys, white boys, Mexicans, they all have, the Boucher, the Boucher. And so I'm just like, you know, hey, you know, I, yeah, you have an envelope, you know, they, they kind of like take me in, you know, I'm a square, but they're not like, you know, effing with me. They're just like, hey, man, yeah, come on in. Are you good? You good?

Starting point is 00:30:12 What happened? I was, man, I had just some credit card stuff and, you know, like, oh, yeah, you're good, man. Because they didn't need to see my paperwork. And they had a guard, too, you know, the guard. They probably asked the guard and the guard told them. You know, no, he's good. He just got pulled on. Yeah, you've just been arrested too.

Starting point is 00:30:27 Yeah. So they find out, like, and draw. And so they're all like, here, man, you know, take, and we draw a flower on this envelope. So now I'm popular. And it's so weird how drawing and art and tattooing, you can be the most popular guy. Even on the streets, it can be a somewhat popularity. Yeah. Especially with tattooing, you know, because I'm a tattoo artist.

Starting point is 00:30:51 You know that, but I haven't talked about that yet. Yeah, it's just a weird thing So anyway, I'm drawing envelopes for all these, like, gang members, you know, like these white boy gang members. And they're like, hey, man, oh, man, those lips look black, you know, you got to make those lips smaller, man, I need a white girl in that envelope because I haven't drawn a lot of portraits at that time. But I have now, I was going to give someone taught me a long time ago,

Starting point is 00:31:18 you don't, I never outline lips, you know, but the, in the upper lips shall always be darker, no matter what. And someone told me that long time ago. And, uh, anyways, I don't know why I said that. Please cut. All right. So you're all. So I'm drawing.

Starting point is 00:31:34 Um, I get moved from there. Um, they're like, yeah, all, bye, man. Bye. See you later. And I was like, yeah, see you guys later. You know, it's a total dork. And, uh, so they take me to the next jail. And I get there.

Starting point is 00:31:48 It wasn't as cool as, as that as the first one. But, uh, so I, get there and, you know, I'm there for a couple days, but no one really liked me there for some reason, but it was the same kind of dudes. It was just weird. But luckily, I was only there for a little bit. And, no, actually, we all went to the library, and when we went to the library, I forgot about this. The cop said, hey, Yari, you stay back. And all the other guys went to the library. and like we're going to put you in a cell by yourself. And I'm like, well, why?

Starting point is 00:32:26 They're like, those guys don't want you in there. I was like, why? They're like, they don't know you. They don't like you. They just don't want you in there. I'm like, oh, okay. I never knew why, man. But why not like, you know, now I would say,

Starting point is 00:32:41 you guys are bitches because you should have smashed me out of the, out of the tank. Right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah, instead of waiting to try and get you. The cop to have me come up. To separate. Now I would stab those fools, man. For real.

Starting point is 00:32:55 What did your knuckles say? Tard life. Tard life. I was like, I was like that, does that say tard life? Yeah. You know how everyone has hard life? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that shit's gay.

Starting point is 00:33:07 Yeah. From Vegas put those on me. Yeah. Good dude. One of my best friends. So they put you in another cell. Yeah, they put me in another cell. And I'm just like, okay.

Starting point is 00:33:20 man those guys don't like me i was kind of hurt you know i was like man i was just trying to be their friend you know right and uh so anyways so a van takes us to uh to to seattle or or no we stay overnight in some it's like van to van to van they didn't have that transcore like they do now we'll take you all over the country right but it was like you know uh sheriff's office to sheriff's office to sheriff's office and um so i do that we do that all the way back to uh it was pretty smooth sailing all the other jails after that We do that all the way back to Calisbeau. Get to Calisbell.

Starting point is 00:33:52 I have some charges. These charges, I remember, deceptive practices and bad check common scheme, they call it. These are Montana charges, state charges. And so I get in that jail. I'm in that jail for a long time. So I meet some guys. I meet this guy. We'll just call him AJ.

Starting point is 00:34:17 He was a dealer in town. I told him, yeah, I'm sort of a little dope, and we become friends. He's got a big personality. I'm developing a big personality in that, in that world, you know, in this jail. And it's kind of like I'm becoming someone different. This is really what, like, I'm not the systems engineer square guy anymore. Like, from all these things that have happened, all these jails, you know, in Maryland and, you know, all these other little jails and all my little scams that I would do to get here or be there.

Starting point is 00:34:56 I'm just becoming a different person. And so I meet this guy and we become friends fast and, like, close friends. Like, we got plans, you know, from when we get out. He's doing like a year and a half county jail sentence. It was weird. Now I question all of it, but because it's some other stuff that happens later. But he's in that jail for a really long time. So, you know, I'm in that jail.

Starting point is 00:35:24 I went through so much shit in that jail, but it's all dumb, boring stuff. You know, smashing TVs, going into the hole, things like that. Getting in fights. I think I'm tough. And, you know, I realize that, like, I can manipulate dudes to thinking I'm tough by just the words I say. Right. And really, I'm scared, you know. But it's one of those things.

Starting point is 00:35:47 Have you ever heard the thing where two dudes are fine? One dude's scared and the other dude's glad. Right. You ever heard that? Yeah. So it's that almost all the time. But, you know, I do get in a couple fights, but only the ones I know I can win, where I just take off, you know. And but how was a crappy fighter?

Starting point is 00:36:06 One time, this dude seemed to lose like two fights in a row, this native cat up in Calispo. And he's like, man, come here, man. He's like, I'm in boxing a long time, man. He's like, you can't box. I was like, I know. I know. You picked that up. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:19 He says, but I got one tip for you. I'm not going to teach you how to jab or anything. I got a tip for you that's going to work and you're going to start winning fights. I was like, what? He's like, keep your eyes open, bro. He's like, if you keep your eyes open, you're going to be victorious, right? It is, oh, and get rid of the war cry. Because he said I would just go, ah, ah.

Starting point is 00:36:42 He's like, get rid of the roar cry. I'm like, okay, good advice, good advice. And it served me well, man. Like, it served me well. I wish I could think that guy for that advice. So anyways, from in this county jail, I get these charges. I end up getting prison time, state time. And I go to the state jail.

Starting point is 00:37:03 And the state prison. It's called Deer Lodge. It's in Montana. And I got 10 years with six suspended. Oh, my God. Okay. I was like, 10 years for a laptop and some bad checks? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:16 Yeah, dude, it was more than that. It was more than that at first. But, you know, I was like, you know, don't take that deal. Don't take that deal. You know, waited to the last minute. But their last minute was still 10 years was six suspended. But in Montana, you only do a quarter of the time that you have, that you get sentenced. So was that a year?

Starting point is 00:37:37 Quarter of four, so it's four years. It's four years. So you did a year. You've already been locked up. How long did you get credit for all that movement? No, no, I didn't. Oh, I didn't actually. because I was there for about a year,

Starting point is 00:37:51 but a little bit less than a year. Man, a lot happened in that in that time, though. I think it seemed like a long time I was there, but it couldn't have been because I, yeah. So they cut you loose immediately? No, no, I didn't do like almost a year in that prison. Okay. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, I, why didn't I get that?

Starting point is 00:38:16 I'm missing something. But anyways, I end up doing a year. But I did a long time in that county jail, too. Maybe it's because I lost good time or I lost, because you have to have clear conduct. Oh, that's what it was. That's what it was. You have to have clear conduct. And I was tattooing and getting in trouble all the time.

Starting point is 00:38:33 Okay. Yeah. When you left, I decided what the name of the teddy bear was. What? Beelzebub. Yeah. Was the stripper with Beelzebub waiting for you when you got out? No, she was.

Starting point is 00:38:46 No. No, but what? That's not. Are you serious? I mean, but you were kindred spirits. Are you telling me that the stripper with the Biel's above fetish of teddy bear didn't wait for you? Yeah, I know. And she cheated on me while I was in there.

Starting point is 00:39:09 Oh, my God. Come visit. Did she come visit? Oh, yeah. She did come visit? Yeah, because she. That is shocking. That's shocking, too.

Starting point is 00:39:17 Yeah, well, because she, I mean, she. had nowhere to go and she was staying with my friend Allen's girlfriend. So she's kind of obligated. Kind of obligated. Yeah. But she was like, I met this guy. He totally looks like Fabio, you know, and I can't remember this guy's, yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:32 Which is what you want to hear. Later, he's super cool, super cool. Yeah. Colby doesn't know who Fabio is. Really? I have an idea. It's like some, probably some like, you know, darker skin guy with long hair and a white shirt. Something like that.

Starting point is 00:39:46 He's my guest. Long hair. Yeah, like a Harlequin romance guy. Doesn't know who Harlequin. He doesn't know that either. Oh. It's, you know, like he would be riding a horse in blue jeans and no shirt. He's in amazing and blonde flowing hair.

Starting point is 00:40:03 And there really was a Fabio. Like there was a real Fabio guy. Yeah, yeah. That women loved. And he was on the covers of all those magazines. He was this idyllic guy, you know, like a Nordic looking blonde hair, blue eye. Like a guy that doesn't really exist. in real life.

Starting point is 00:40:19 Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. If you've seen him, everyone would look at him. Right. So in the 90s, in the 80s,

Starting point is 00:40:27 90s, some chick says, oh my God, I met this guy today. He looks like Fabio. He'd be like, oh, this is over.

Starting point is 00:40:35 Yeah. He was the bartender at the bowling alley bar. I feel like Fabio could do better than that. But to be honest with you, if you've ever heard

Starting point is 00:40:44 an interview with the real Fabio. Oh, yeah, he's an idiot. Yeah. Probably Bartender at the local At the local bowling alley sounds about right Yeah, yeah

Starting point is 00:40:55 Yeah And so anyway She would lie to me She was like no I haven't had six with him Promise We're just hanging out Yeah we're just hanging out And she's high

Starting point is 00:41:04 You know Because she would come to the thing Does she still have the teddy bear? Yeah she did It was in her property And she would bring that teddy bear to the thing Oh my God they get maybe the Elze up at back Yeah

Starting point is 00:41:14 Oh I almost had the name So, so anyway, she would come and she'd be like this. She always did this when she was like, with her tongue. So I always knew she was high. I was like, you're high. She's like, no, I'm not, no, I'm not. I'm like, you're doing the thing. And so anyway, so she would come visit me.

Starting point is 00:41:36 And she, she ended up writing a bad check to a pizza place or something. Something like that. like a $20 bad check. Yeah, something like that. I can't remember. So she violated her probation and she came back to jail just for a second and then got back out. When when she got back out, she went back home to Maryland. Or no, North Carolina, North Carolina.

Starting point is 00:42:02 I meet a girl from Maryland later who, yeah, anyway. So I go to prison and, um, get out and I'm trying to because I went to pre-release twice or had the halfway house twice. I get out and I go to Butte, Montana. Have you ever heard of Butte? No. I mean, I have heard of it, but I don't know anything about it. Yeah, it's just a small old mining town.

Starting point is 00:42:32 There's like two streets that go up into a hill and there's like some, a couple of building. It's really small. And it's kind of bigger now. But so I go to the halfway house there. I'm drinking and I meet this girl. She's a biker chick. And so when you go to the halfway house, you have to put in like your exit plan, you know. And so I end up staying there.

Starting point is 00:42:58 I meet this girl. She's passed away. She just passed away last year. Sorry. Well, she ended up telling on me. So, you know, I don't want to say F her, but. I was going to say, I was still. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:11 Yeah, yeah. So I go to the halfway house. It's not much happens there. You know, I drink a couple times there, but, um, so I, I, I, I'm moving with this, this biker chick and her whole family's bikers, you know, um, I move in with her and she's shooting oxies. I was just thinking bikers, like, I mean, like somebody used, um, addict should probably not be living with bikers.

Starting point is 00:43:36 Like, I would think bikers have all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did. Um, but, but, you know, I never got high with them. I never, I didn't. I never liked bikers, you know. I don't know why. I don't know why. And I have biker friends, you know.

Starting point is 00:43:51 I'm friends with the West Coast President of the Hells Angels, you know. But I just, most of them are booger eaters. That's what I call them booger eaters. I don't know. Someone told me that term a long time ago. But I have lots of friends who are bikers that are cool. But I never got high there on math, on math. Right.

Starting point is 00:44:11 But she would shoot pills. That's when oxies were really taken off. Taken off. And she would shoot oxies. And she would always ask me if I want them. I was like, no. I'm on probation. I get UA'd.

Starting point is 00:44:25 But just one time, man, I said, you know what? I'll try it. And she was so happy. She was so happy. So she, like, mixes me this little thing. And anyway, I do it. And so we're doing that. I'm dodging the UA's.

Starting point is 00:44:42 I'm, you know, bringing fake pee with me. me in a little lemon squeezer and, you know, beating the UAs. And, and, uh, it's funny. The guy is like, man, you seem high, but you're, you're playing. So I was like, man, that's just my style, man. This is my stilo, you know. He's like, something's weird. But anyway, so, um, my girl knew I was beating those.

Starting point is 00:45:05 Will you get in this big argument? She disappears for like three days. And, uh, she comes home in a taxi. Like, oh, like, where's your car? She's like, it's at my friend's house. I'm like, what are you doing? She's, I'm just grabbing some clothes. I'm like, well, where the fuck you been?

Starting point is 00:45:20 She's like, I'm with a friend. Don't worry. I'm not cheating on you, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, well, who's your friend? She's like, says the guy's name. Like, and he's like someone big in town. He's like, it's not good. He's like this big dude in town.

Starting point is 00:45:31 Like, you know, whatever that she had been wanting to hook up with for a long time. She tells me that later. And so I was like, well, well, fuck you. I'm leaving. And she's like, yeah, whatever. I had nowhere to go. I'm not from Montana. I'm not from Butte.

Starting point is 00:45:47 I don't know. I don't have family there. And so, but I'm getting high with her at this, at this time. And so she, like, leaves, but she works at the, it's a place called Grandma's All You Can Eat, Buffet. But I would always go there to get a pill from her when I would be sick, you know. And I called her, I went and got a pill. No, she called me. She called me.

Starting point is 00:46:14 And she's like, hey, I got some. And I was like, okay, I'll be right there. And so I go there and she gives me one. And I get back to the house. I make it. I do it as I'm pulling out. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm like, what the hell?

Starting point is 00:46:34 I like, look out the thing. It's a cop and my PO or the, I didn't have a PO yet. It was the people who monitored the, the it's there's a name for like when you go to the halfway house you go to the halfway house then you do like six months of this program and then you get a P. Right. So so like I still have to go to the halfway house and like check in. When you shoot opiates and in like you get a good shot, you kind of helicopter, I call it helicoptering.

Starting point is 00:47:04 Like your vision is like and it's part of like what I love, you know. Anyway, so I'm helicoptering. As I'm putting the cap on and in like if you're like rushing too hard and any like junkie will tell you this that if you when you go to put the cap on sometimes you'll poke your finger. Right. Because you're like this too. You just leave it. Anyway. So as I'm trying to do that, I hear pam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

Starting point is 00:47:31 I go look out the window. It's them. It's like my, you know, halfway house PO. We'll just call her that. Yeah. And a cop, I have to answer it, you know. So I answer it. And I'm just like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Starting point is 00:47:46 She's like, hey, how are you doing? I'm like, her name was Meg. I'll never, yeah. And she's like, hey, how are you doing? I'm like, I'm good. I'm good. She's like, I need you to you weigh in this. I was like, okay.

Starting point is 00:47:59 And when you're like helicoptering and you can't pee, you know, you can't. It's almost impossible. and I'm like, all right, so I go to the bathroom. She doesn't even go back there with me. She just, I go to the bathroom, and I'm like, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? And I just couldn't think of anything. I was just rushing for it.

Starting point is 00:48:18 I just, like, gave up, you know? I'm just going to take the dirty way, you know? Or hopefully they don't send me back. So I finally pee, it takes me a long time. She's like, are you okay? And I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. I can't pee. And finally, I get a little bit out.

Starting point is 00:48:35 I get shit. go, is that enough? She's like, yeah. So anyway, of course, that comes back dirty. Maybe the dirtiest pee we've ever had gotten in my life. Yeah, she said that... Were you just shooting dope? Yeah. She said it was like, it goes up to like 3,000, whatever, you know, and she said it just said 3,000 plus plus plus plus. She's like, so you can't say it's whatever, you know? And so yeah, that happened. They locked me back up. They, they, they, the County Jail had gotten caught on fire or something. So they had us all on Warm Springs, which is like the psych hospital where like if you get

Starting point is 00:49:14 convicted, you know, for, and you be found like clinically insane. Right. That's where they kept. So we were there with all of them, but we were in like locked cells. So, yeah, so I was at Warm Springs for the clinically insane and waiting to go to court. I don't even go to court. They just, like, bring me this, like, paper. Because technically, I'm a prison inmate.

Starting point is 00:49:40 Yeah, yeah. Out on... You're on the same rights. It's everybody else. Right. It's just a paper. I signed it. I went back to...

Starting point is 00:49:48 I went back to prison. And you have to do, like, this classification when you get back there. And when I got back there, um, everyone's like, hey, you know, because they can see us going to Chow and stuff. It's like, I knew you'd be back for it. I knew you'd be back. And, yeah, so I go back, but I boomerangued. They call it a boomerang in Montana.

Starting point is 00:50:13 You're at a halfway house. You get a violation. You go there and boomerang back. I boomerang back, but that halfway house won't take me back because one of my jobs there, I was working at this car dealership. And at the halfway house, they would give us these little key cards. And I totally forgot about this. They give us these little key cards and the, to get into the gym where we could go work out, right?

Starting point is 00:50:45 Right. So there was two key cards at the front desk when you go, you say, hey, I'm going to go to the gym. I got a gym pass when you're in the halfway house, right? So you take a key card, you go to the gym. The gym is basically a, what's that, like the Knights of Columbus, you know, like a VFW type thing. it's in this like Knights of Columbus where they have like a bar it's down in the basement so you have like go through this bar and casino to get to this gym anyways i was selling I was selling those cards to uh as gym memberships to the guys at the at the dealership

Starting point is 00:51:22 so they end up finding out about that because you know those guys are in there working out and the owner he owns the bar and the gym who's like friends it's it's a really small town. Right. He's friends with all the people that own the halfway house because it's privately owned. I almost had their names to my lips. They're like a big family in that town. And, yeah, I got busted.

Starting point is 00:51:48 They're like, who are you? He's like, oh, I got a membership. A membership from who? Well, from Sam, the guy who works for you. Right. He's like, I don't know who the F Sam is, dude. He's like, well, he worked at the dealership, too. city like part-time for you selling memberships.

Starting point is 00:52:05 It's like they would just give me like 20 bucks. I'm like, yeah, here, you know, just go work out. And so when I went to boomerang back, they were like, no,

Starting point is 00:52:14 we don't want them. He was selling memberships to the gym, you know. And so they sent me to Billings, Montana, where I live now, currently. Right.

Starting point is 00:52:24 They sent me to Billings, Montana. And, yeah, so that's where I went. But as soon as I got there, I ran. I took off because my buddy AJ, who was up that, remember I said, we had big plans. Right. I go with him to, he now lives in Colorado and selling drugs and painting houses.

Starting point is 00:52:48 Right. So I go on the run there. I do a fake name. Oh, man, I forgot about the time. I would make these IDs. Remember Kinkos? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:59 I would make IDs all the time at Kinko's. Kinkos, I had like these templates, you know, from like different states. And everything was laminated then. And I would, I had every state. I can't remember I got that CD-ROM, but I would make these IDs at Kinko's. I basically, you know, they had the self-serve. I go in there, put the disc in, put the picture on, on the thing, or not on the computer. I had a hard photo.

Starting point is 00:53:28 And later I did it on a computer. and we do it all right there. Print it to myself. They didn't have to do nothing. Then you just go up and say, yeah, I was on a computer for 10 minutes, and I had three things laminated. But I wouldn't even tell about all the lamination

Starting point is 00:53:42 and the printouts. By the time I was doing that stuff, you could buy that, you'd go and get a card. Or you could put your credit card in and do it. Right, right. Yeah. They didn't have that then.

Starting point is 00:53:54 But funny story, one time I was printing it out, and I sent it to the wrong printer. I sent it to the plotter. And I'm like, where's my printout? And it's behind the counter. And there's this big California ID dropping out of their plotter. Dude, it was like, it was like, and I was like, shit, I'm out of here.

Starting point is 00:54:16 Dude, I took off. They were probably like, what the hell is this big ID with picture of me? You know, like, dude, it was nuts. Anyway, I knew how to make IDs, you know, at that time. And I got really good at it. like from scratch sometimes I would just do it. But anyways, so I had a fake ID and I think I was using Victor.

Starting point is 00:54:38 Oh yeah, Victor Valen, who was my uncle that died. I was using his name and with permission for my grandmother. And yeah. Can I use his name to make fake IDs? My grandma was gangster, man. Was she? Yeah, dude. Of course.

Starting point is 00:54:54 Yeah. One time and, you know, she loved me and she would hide me out. But one time I needed a fake ID and she was. in downtown LA and MacArthur Park, if you, you'll see guys, they'll be going like this.

Starting point is 00:55:06 They go like that. Like you look at it and they go like that. If you stare like for more than a couple seconds, they go like this. And you'd be like,

Starting point is 00:55:13 yeah. And so you go with them and they take you in this back room in MacArthur Park and they take a picture of you and they'll make you a green card.

Starting point is 00:55:22 And an I-551 card. They're not actually green. They're pink. But it's your resident alien card. They'll make you one of those. And I would take that and go to like the social security office and say you know, hey, I need a, I need a social security number. And, um, you know, you had to have a second form of ID or a second or a second

Starting point is 00:55:41 piece of thing. And I, man, twice I manipulated them into issuing me a social security card. And the only reason why I didn't have one is because I was from another country. Right. And, um, because, you know, they'd be sometimes I tried to do it one another time with, with a person and they're like, now you're too old. You used to have one. And you got to have one. And, uh, the, so anyway, so twice I would get that in, like, a couple times I get booked into a jail and they'd be like, you're not Sam Yarbrough. You're, you're Christian Delerentis. I used that name for a while, too. You're Christian Delerentis.

Starting point is 00:56:14 I was booked in jail for five months. Where are you giving his name? Well, Dino DeLeranis is a movie producer. Right. Yeah. So I was like, I was his son, you know. So, yeah, I got out of control for a little bit. And those things all kind of happened kind of before this, you know.

Starting point is 00:56:30 You know, I just kind of, I'm trying to be succinct in, in the story, but it's, you know, it's hard. There's so much, you know, in, like, the dates and times. That's why if you see me, like, pause and think, I'm not, like, pause and thinking to create fiction. I'm, like, trying to remember the nonfiction, you know. And so it's like, anyway, so I was doing that. And. You met your buddy, the buddy that you had plans with in prison and got out of prison. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:56 Yeah. So I went there, different name, Victor Vallon. and we were doing our thing. Painting houses selling drugs. Painting houses selling drugs. Lots and lots and lots of drugs. And I kind of messed up. When I first got there, we used to always talk.

Starting point is 00:57:16 You know, one of these days we're going to be on the streets together. We're going to get to the biggest shot we've ever done, you know. And other people who've done the drug will know. You always talk about that. I'm going to do the biggest one that's going to just drop me and, you know. And he sure did, man. The first day I got there, he's like, come on. We ran upstairs and he mixed these, like, big shots.

Starting point is 00:57:38 And we did him, man. And my whole reality changed, like, like things. Everything just changed. And it was the weirdest feeling. And people were, look, I could see, like, demons and people. Not like, not like hallucinating demons, but like I could see the evil in people. Right. And, but anyway.

Starting point is 00:57:58 Anyway, so I got there, did that big shot, started dealing, painting houses. We're having a blast. Having a blast. But some weird things started happening. I was seeing finding hidden cameras, seeing just him, the guy who I was with, kind of like, disappear, wouldn't know where he was. this is one specific story. We were driving from a house in Denver, and we're driving along.

Starting point is 00:58:33 And I already think he's working with the police. And he's like protecting me and leaving me out of it or whatever. I don't know what's going on. And so we're driving. And we're on the freeway. And he's like, oh, what the hell? And the car just like stops. He's like, oh, man, I think we're out of gas.

Starting point is 00:58:52 This is a brand new car. Brand new car. I think we're out of gas where it's electrical or something. I'm like, why is this a brand new car? I was like, we're out of gas then. He's like, oh, yeah, we're out of gas. I'm like, all right. So, dude, this is like a long stretch of highway.

Starting point is 00:59:08 All that's there is an off ramp and a park and ride, you know, to carpool to go to Denver. And so we go there. There's no cars in the park and ride. We like coast off the freeway to the end of the off. ramp and we stop. He's like, dude, it's dead. He's like going like going like this. I'm like, well, what are we going to do?

Starting point is 00:59:31 He's like, well, I'm going to have to go get gas somehow. And he's like, he goes behind me and there's a gas can behind me. That gas can wasn't there earlier in the day. And there's two cops, a Wyoming cop and a Colorado Highway Patrol sitting at the, at the, at the, in the parking ride. He's like, I'm going to go get, I'm going to go ask those cops that they'll take me to get me some gas. I'm like, no, you're not. I'm on the run

Starting point is 00:59:56 You're there's tons of drugs under the car Under the seat I was like no dude You just we'll call somebody call somebody He's like no man no it's totally cool He's like just stay here And he goes to the two cops at the parking ride And he's there to he's like puts the gas can on the thing

Starting point is 01:00:14 And he's like leaning over like talking But he's talking to them for like 30 minutes Like a long time And I'm dude I'm sweating I know I have a warrant I am a fake name drugs in the car I'm like we're hit right we're hit

Starting point is 01:00:30 like they're gonna like take him either take him there and the other cops gonna come here or something bad's gonna happen because he's high so we're like we're super high right we don't look normal right and um so I'm sitting there sweating I'm sitting there sweating

Starting point is 01:00:45 and for some reason dude I was like I reached over turn the key and I seen the gas gauge go like this I'm like what the hell and I just turned it and it started right up. Right. So I was like, I pumped my nuts, got in the driver's seat, drove down to where those two were, rolled down the window.

Starting point is 01:01:08 I was like, come on, jump in, man, we're good. He's just like, I see the cop. As I'm pulling up, I see the cop look at him. He's like, and what I thought I saw his lips say, he's going to do now. Right. What are you going to do now? And I just see Alan go like this.

Starting point is 01:01:23 He's like, you know, whatever. He walks over to me. He's like, what are you doing? I was like, dude, the car's good. Let's go. He's just like, hold on. They found a warrant in San Diego on me for this knife thing a long time ago. I'm like, all right, man.

Starting point is 01:01:40 And he goes over and talks to him. And I was like, dude, like another 10 minutes. I'm like, dude, what's going on? Anyways, he comes back to the car. He's like, man, what are you doing, man? You got a warrant. I was like, I know, dude, but what are you doing? The car's fine.

Starting point is 01:01:55 And you're down here for like a half hour, 45 minutes. And now it's like almost been an hour. Right. And the cops just were like laughing as we were like driving away. And we drove away, man. And I was like, dude, what was that? What was that? He's like, there was nothing.

Starting point is 01:02:09 And he was like, they ran the warrant. And they weren't going to extradite. So they let me go. I was like, all right, man. All right. So you're telling me you're not working with those cops. Dude, tell me now. You know, I'm like, tell me now and I'll work with you.

Starting point is 01:02:22 Whatever. I just needed him to tell me. Right. And he never would, man. He never would. And there was a few things like that. So anyway, the next day, one of our friends got busted in Wyoming for a bunch of and don't.

Starting point is 01:02:40 Oh, okay. Yeah. And so I never confronted him on that because I would just get lies anyway. Right. So, yeah, that was nuts. there's a crazy situation. That guy is like part of my life again. He just got out of a state prison because my wife's mom was his, they were best friends growing up, which is a small, weird, small world quinketing, right?

Starting point is 01:03:10 Right. But that'll be like later in the story, if I even get to that part. But so it's too weird. So not like conspiracy weird. It's just like small world weird. And so, uh, so anyway,

Starting point is 01:03:28 so we're dealing drugs. Um, I get pretty paranoid at this point. I've kind of like to step back. I'm not trying to do anything. I'll just paint and, you know, be high and whatever.

Starting point is 01:03:39 Um, but I, we went, we went on a trip to Montana because that's where he's, he's from. Well, you know, we needed that.

Starting point is 01:03:47 And when we came back, we stopped and seen a friend of mine in billing. and they wanted some drugs. And we didn't have any to sell them at that point, but we got them high, and then we left. And we said, just call us, we'll call you when, you know, when we're good. So anyway, shortly thereafter, they want some.

Starting point is 01:04:07 He's going to drive to Denver. He's got like $3,000. He's going to drive to Denver. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. But I was like, no, do it, do it, do it. Just do it, man. It's $3,000.

Starting point is 01:04:20 Just do it. I'll give you half of it. Just do it. I'm like, no, dude, I told you. I don't want to do anything. He's like, just do it and you be done. I'm like, all right. So I did it.

Starting point is 01:04:29 They go back. They get busted when they pull into their driveway. They get busted. They, of course, instantly, you know, we got it from San Marlboro. We got it from San Yardbro. That's all in my discovery, federal discovery. And they tried to set me up in Casper. So they get busted.

Starting point is 01:04:51 They call me like, hey, I already got rid of that. It's like nine hours later, right? It's like eight hours to drive there. So they supposedly got rid of all that. Now they have cast. They don't need a, they don't need a front for like, like two pounds. I can't.

Starting point is 01:05:05 It was some crazy number. And I said, yeah, okay, yeah, good. So I was going to talk to Alan like, hey, dude, you're going to take two pounds these guys. Yeah. And he's like, no, no, I'm not going to do that. You just do it. I was like, dude, I don't want to do it.

Starting point is 01:05:19 Anyway, we were getting it ready. I was going to do it. like an idiot. Before we, before I left, his girlfriend calls the dude, the dude who's there. I don't want to put him on his name on blast because he lives where I live and he's doing okay now. And I've forgiven him a long time ago. I broke his jaw in jail, but I forget, I've forgiven a long time ago. The, what was I at? Oh, yeah, so his girlfriend calls and she's like, hey, where are you? Her and I are really good friends to this day.

Starting point is 01:05:54 She's like, hey, where are you? I'm on my way to see John with the shit. And she's like, don't do it, don't do it. He got busted. He got busted. Don't do it. He's sitting you up. And I was just like, really?

Starting point is 01:06:06 She's like, yeah. So I turn around, like on the highway, go back to where I was at, Fort Collins. And told Alan, like, yeah, dude, dude got busted. Just tried to set me up. He's like, no way, no way. I was like, yeah, dude, yeah. See, that's what I'm telling you, dude, I'm done. Now I'm going to be part of his shit.

Starting point is 01:06:28 Right. He's already told on me. So anyway, so just continue to paint houses. Alan's doing his things. Things are weird at the house, you know. We end up going to this wedding and I'm with his son and we're like, I'm helping put his tuxedo on and stuff. And I was like, how are you feeling, man?

Starting point is 01:06:45 And these were his exact words. He's 11, 12. he says it's just nice just to be somewhere where there's not all the cameras. Those were his words. Okay. Because of all the cameras that were in the house, inside the house. Right. Recording big deals with big people that were coming.

Starting point is 01:07:05 You know, we were getting those drugs from someone. Right. I don't want to talk about that because it's all, you know, C-related, cartel-related. And so, yeah. So that was just craziness. that he said that, but I had already known that, you know, and because he knew, he knew, he knew, his dad had to tell him something. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:28 So that freaked me out. Anyway, so I leave there, I leave there, and I go to Montana, and I get, end up getting busted in Montana. I go stay with my friend Roman. He's a, he's not in the UFC, but he fights MMA in Vegas. He just married a UFC fighter, and they just had a baby. that's pretty cool and um i just i just i just seen pictures of the baby last time that's why i'm sorry so how'd you get busted um for what for that for that selling john that those drugs so i'm

Starting point is 01:08:07 okay okay okay right you just didn't come the second time you just did they just didn't grab you but they still had you for the first oh yeah yeah i got out of that but yeah they still had me for that. Um, because they'll keep selling to you until yeah, until they got, until they got you. Well, we right now we got them for two years. We sell, we keep selling to them. We can get them for 10. Absolutely. They will absolutely do that. They want to build it to at least over 500 grams because that's where that little mandatory minimum benchmark is. And that's what 20 grams over a pound. So it's like 480 grams in a pound. So, um, so, uh, yeah, so I get arrested at this bar, Andy's bar.

Starting point is 01:08:49 Yeah, I'm actually, I try to hide and they have like this little phone booth. You know, it's like a little, like little tiny one in the bar to like for privacy. And I'm like hiding in there, pretending I'm on the phone. And the bartender is like, oh, he's in the booth. I was like, hey, what's up? Are you Sam, you are? I was like, no, man, I'm Victor Ballin. It's like, no, you're not.

Starting point is 01:09:09 You're Samirro. So, yeah, so I get arrested for that. And, and I did have. a state thing too, or no, a violation for the, for running. Right. And so I, so I had a state thing, state charge and the Fed charge. So I end up going back to the state. You know, I fight the case.

Starting point is 01:09:28 You know, it's impossible. While I'm in jail there, they end up putting dude in my tank. He didn't want to come in. He didn't want to come in. He told the captain. He's like, I can't go in there. He's like, you know, you're going in there. He's like, I'll go talk to him.

Starting point is 01:09:41 The captain comes to me. So they're like, hey, can this dude come in here? I'm like, of course he can. Of course he can. Of course he can. I'm not going to break his jaw. Dude, he came in. I was like, in the cell.

Starting point is 01:09:52 In the cell. And he just doesn't want to go in. He's like, I'm not going in there. I'm not going in there. I'm like, you're coming in the cell. And he just went to come in there. So I just, bam, just like pipelined him, broke his jaw. He fell, started crawling.

Starting point is 01:10:04 And I'm just like hitting him, you know, as he's crawling to the button. And, yeah, that was that. So they, of course, put me in the hole, separate us. And he ended up trying to sue the jail. the captain and then you on pacer you can find it it's it's this guy versus the jail captain laircheque and sam yerro it's i'm like in this big lawsuit anyway just threw it out so uh where was i at so yeah so there's the so i fight the case we'll just fast forward now i'm on a go to federal prison.

Starting point is 01:10:49 This is where it starts, brother. This is, I mean, I mean, it's already started because I'm going to federal prison. You know, what, two years before that, I was a systems engineer. And now I'm going to the feds. So I'm on my way to the feds. We fly from Great Falls, Montana to CTAC. It's just like a little holdover. Usually one or two days, you'll be there.

Starting point is 01:11:11 Maybe a week at the longest. Right. It's normally how long you'll be there. I was there 18 months. as a holdover. So, you know, you can't really settle in as a holdover. Right. Because every night you're waiting for them to call your name.

Starting point is 01:11:25 But as I'm there, I run into some real dudes, man. You know, well, my whole thing about convicts and prison, it's all, it's all fake to me. It's real because people are getting, and there's real dudes in there doing real shit. but in the grand scheme, like the meaning of life, like what you're meaning. It's fake, you know, to me. I was an actor. I wasn't a factor. All those other dudes, they're technically, they're acting.

Starting point is 01:11:57 Because I've been with those dudes in the cell talking like two men. And they're not that dude outside of the cell. Right. Killers. Killers. Because I'm a likable guy. I don't know, but because I'm the tattoo artist, who knows. But I've seen those all.

Starting point is 01:12:14 Every one of them that I was around, I've seen them vulnerable. I've seen the hardcore serenios in my cell, like goofy, like a little kid. But as soon as they, as soon as they step out of that cell, they're hardcore serenio guy. Anyways, so I get to CTAC. I run some real dudes, you know, for prison real, some, a lot of bloods and cribs. I'm learning, I'm learning about, this is like my crash horse and gangs, you know, because that's how everything runs in the fit. it's gangs, well, you know, like in the, in the medium, medium highs and USPs,

Starting point is 01:12:50 it's all gangs and race and state, you know, so you can, like, fall into any of those. And you've, and you've talked about this, you know, you, um, it's, a lot of it is state, mostly, but if you're in a gang, then, then you're not kind of with your state. But then within your gang, there's, like, state stuff. Right. You know, like, like, it's like reddits and subredits. Gangs and subgings. Anyway, so, um, I get,

Starting point is 01:13:14 there. I meet a couple of them. They're Western Hammerskins. And they just kind of like bring me in the full. I like them just because of who they are as people. And so like I don't join for protection. I didn't need protection. If you're good, you're good. Right. You know, so you don't have to, you know, you didn't join a gang. I mean, you're at a low. I was a medium for three years. But yeah, but I mean, I taught GED. I went to taught my classes. I taught real estate. I came back. I read. I know. I know.

Starting point is 01:13:46 Nobody wants me in a game. I mean, I wasn't there, but I knew where you fit in, you know. There was guys like that where everywhere I was. I'm not a tough guy. I'm not putting in work. Yeah. You don't want me to. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:13:59 I got to go well. I heard you say that. Yeah. You didn't want me to either, but I had to, you know, figure it out. I hate to interrupt the podcast, but I need your help. Have you been or do you know anyone that has been arrested in Polk, If you have, please contact me. We are desperately looking for guests that have been arrested in Polk County by Grady Judd.

Starting point is 01:14:21 The last video we did actually got a million views. If you've been arrested, please go in the description box. Either contact me directly, my email's there, or you can fill out the form that we've got. There's a link to the form. My email address is there. You fill out the form or email me. We will contact you and we're going to try and get you on the program. So anyway, I'm there as a holdover.

Starting point is 01:14:46 Meet these gang guys. Get my swast. You know, I put in a little work, stab this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he was going to stab me. Okay. So basically, we're all playing tickets. You know what a ticket is.

Starting point is 01:15:02 You know, we're playing tickets. I'm sweating this USC game. I wish I could remember the details of that, but that's all dumb stuff. But anyway, I'm sweating this USC game. I'm in the black sports TV room. And, you know, I'm like, hey, man, who's got the remote? It's a commercial. The game they're watching.

Starting point is 01:15:20 Let's check the USC score. Everyone's just sitting there like this. I'm like, man, who's got the remote? And this little kid come to his Jamaican dude, he's like, man, right here, man, right here, Casper. This is what they call me. I was Casper in there. A totally different person. And they're like, right here, Casper.

Starting point is 01:15:36 And he goes to change it. And the nation of Islam, dude, we called him John X. John X's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't change that TV. He's like, man, Johnny, it's a commercial. Can we check the USC game? He's like, no, ma'am. That white boy.

Starting point is 01:15:52 Would you say, John? It's me, dude. He's like, yeah, that white boy. I was like, all right, John, let's go. Now, we have a no-hands policy. Right. So he can't fight me. I can't fight him, but I'm trying to fight.

Starting point is 01:16:06 Right. It's not me. It's you, dude. Right. You know, and bitch, you know, I said it all. I said it all. That's right, John. You're an N.

Starting point is 01:16:15 Bitch. Punk-ass. Right. What's up, John? Fight. Pussy, bitch. All right. And, yeah, he wouldn't fight.

Starting point is 01:16:26 He wasn't allowed to, though. It wasn't like he was afraid. Yeah, yeah. I think he was afraid. But so anyway, so I was like, yeah, that's what I thought and walk away. Now, I know something's going to happen. I know there's going to be politics. It's my unit.

Starting point is 01:16:40 I've manipulated my way into having that unit from fighting the who I present myself to be the ink I have you know because everyone else comes and goes comes and goes but now this is my unit you know I got a little group of there they weren't hammer skins or something else and uh you know that's that's my car we do burpees together we do pushups together you know um you know and I'm skinned bro you know I don't have like this shaggy hair. I just cut my hair. It was like down to there. I just cut it because it's super curly. And so anyway,

Starting point is 01:17:19 nothing happens, but, you know, I feel it. Have you ever been on the yard? You can feel it. Something's about to go down. And I've been in a lot of those situations,

Starting point is 01:17:30 you know, since then. But I feel it and I'm just like, oh, man, it's crazy. Well, when we go take a shower, we have security.

Starting point is 01:17:38 So, like, if you and I are friends, I'm going to take a shower. I was like, hey, man, man, can you catch the security for me while I take a shower? You just stand out there while I'm taking a shower. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:47 I used to think it was dumb. You know, I ain't going to be no pussy. I don't. I'm going to take it by myself. But we had to. It was just, it was the rules. And so I told my security to come, but I needed to. I knew I needed to.

Starting point is 01:18:01 But these dudes, these dudes I had to do security, they're not thinking straight, you know? So they lure one off with. hey man you want to buy this magazine knowing that he's always trying to buy they're black and whites you know like yeah yeah yeah the copy machine ones yeah and then they they put

Starting point is 01:18:20 they put the clear tape over them right yeah for the shower or whatever yeah and so yeah I don't know how creepy you want to get I'm already worried about the you saying the word skin hits like these are all things that have to be beeped out oh yeah okay all right yeah

Starting point is 01:18:40 But I got to tell the story, right? Yeah, no, go ahead. Okay, yeah, yeah. You don't me take my shirt off? So what happened? So I'm in the shower. And to get into this shower, there's a curtain, a shower, another wall with a walkway, and another shower, and a curtain between that walkway. So you get it.

Starting point is 01:19:00 Yeah. It's just like two showers going back, but you have to walk through one shower to get to the other one. So if someone's taking a shower in there, you're like, hey, man, you know, like turn your head and keep going, unless you're a creep. And so I'm in the shower. I got my iron on my head and shoulders bottle with a hair tie. It's like strapped to my head and shoulders bottle, my knife. And so like I'm taking a shower and I'm, you know, I'm worried, dude. I know something's going to happen sometime, but I don't think they're going to try to get me in the shower.

Starting point is 01:19:32 Or maybe that would be the best time to get me. Turns out it was the best time. And so I'm taking a shower and I feel it, dude. I feel the air, you know? And I sense a presence. I was like, these, man. So I grabbed my shit. And, dude, the curtain just opened.

Starting point is 01:19:51 And I just, like, blindly just took my knife with my left, like that. And I caught him right here. Bam! And he just, like, screams like a bitch. And I ran it, grabbed him, grabbed his legs, pulled him up. And I just stabbed him two more times. In the chest, bro. And that's the, that's the,

Starting point is 01:20:09 most exhilarating thing I've ever done, ever. Got him. Take my shit, grab my shit naked. I don't even get dressed. I come out into the tier. Like, this is all in the second tier. I was like, someone come get this bloody, you know, bitch out of my shower and I go to my cell. Did he have a knife?

Starting point is 01:20:30 Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. You didn't mention that. You just said there was a guy. Oh, no, I'm sorry. No, it was him coming to give me the Jamaican dude. Okay.

Starting point is 01:20:38 Yeah. The main guy. No, no, one of his little Okay, yeah, creeps. And so anyway, so I know it's about to be, you know, everything. So I ditch the piece, going to myself, get dressed, kind of like, pack my thing, hit up the storm man, hit up the heroin man, you know,

Starting point is 01:20:55 because I know I'm going to the hole. No, we had, we only had pills at that time. There was a, there was a, oh, heroin only came out every once in a while. But I got ready to go to the shoe. Right. You know. And, yeah. So they come in, they take that dude out.

Starting point is 01:21:13 He lives. Yeah. He lives. And, dude, they don't even investigate it. SIS, I mean, I go to the hole because they know it was me. But there's no like, they don't send it to the prosecutor. Wait, you know, they threatened all that. SIS came and talked to me one time.

Starting point is 01:21:30 And I was like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And it was like, well, we seen you come out. The other guy must have been saying, I don't know either. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:39 And so, yeah, nothing happens. Of course, they search the whole unit looking for everything. I learned a long time ago that it's really hard for them. Their case has to be kind of tight. Yeah, yeah. Because a lot of it's mutual combat. And if for some reason, if they don't have the weapon, that it's hard. Well, and the FBI doesn't want to pick it up unless it's airtight because they don't

Starting point is 01:22:03 have to go into a prison. They don't have to, it's way. The prisons are typically way out of the way. And most of these guys aren't cooperating. And then if somebody goes to trial, we've got to move all these inmates back. It's just, it's better if it's just absolutely ironclab where people are going to take pleas. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:20 So. So anyway, so I kind of made my bones there. You know, like now, like, I know this all sounds corny, but now I have my credibility. You know, now those things mean something that are, those tattoos mean something for real like they have like paperwork that come with them and that's all important you know in the grand scheme of things when you get to where you're going um yeah like super important um if you're if if i if i'm going to be in that role if i'm going to stay how long do you ultimately get like you still never said how much time you got oh yeah so i got um i don't think or did i

Starting point is 01:23:05 missed that? No, I was going to say. No, no, I got 108 months. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Which, yeah, my, I can't remember. I was a three in the top and a 31 or no 29, two points for acceptance of responsibility. No 5K1s or anything like that. No downward departures. Now, there is a 5K1, but it didn't, it didn't pan out. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. There was an An attempted 5K1. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:38 And it wasn't on my case. It was somebody else had accused, tried to bring me into their trial. Oh, okay. And say that that was mine. Well, they end up beating the, what they said was mine. They beat that in their trial, but they still had heroin. So they beat the meth. They still got found guilty for the heroin.

Starting point is 01:24:01 And I went to their sentencing and said, nah, that wasn't mine. Right. That was theirs. And so yeah. But because I broke dude's jaw, my witness, the U.S. attorney said, no, we ain't given nothing. He ain't got shit coming. It's lame, bro.

Starting point is 01:24:21 It's lame. But fortunately, I don't have it on my paperwork. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I tried. Right. You know?

Starting point is 01:24:31 Right. But, I mean, if you're going to say my name at your trial, you know, and, you know, and And give me what a, is it even super, is that even a superseding indictment after, it's a whole new indictment. It would have been. Yeah. But, but they, that, that US attorney down there, they wanted them bad, you know. Do I feel bad about it? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:50 I do. You know, I wish I hadn't had done it, especially because I didn't get nothing out of it. I was going to say, well, mostly because you didn't get anything. Yeah. That would have been a good three, four years off your sentence, bro. Easy. But you probably should, well, I mean, I don't, I mean, that's, that's your, for you to say. But he probably shouldn't have broke that dude's jaw.

Starting point is 01:25:10 I mean, you know, that, that. I couldn't help myself, bro. Yeah. And like, and like someone asked me pretty recently, like, because I was like kind of getting people ready for the, you know, stuff that people hadn't heard. Yeah. And, you know, you know, because you don't tell everybody, you know, everything you're done. And they're like, oh, man. And there's no way you felt better after that.

Starting point is 01:25:33 I sure the hell did. I felt way better after that. Like, I felt amazing after that. And was it worth those three or four years? I would have told you then, yeah, because I'm a tough guy. Right. But it wasn't. It wasn't.

Starting point is 01:25:47 You know, because those three or four years, a lot happened. Right. You know, a lot, a lot happened. And you probably would have gone to a lower security because you wouldn't have got so much time. And you've got this violence on your... Mm-hmm. So yeah, speaking of that, so let's go back to C-TAC. So that happens at C-Tac.

Starting point is 01:26:07 Well, yeah, they weren't like shipping Montana guys, but all the other Montana guys were only there for two or three months. Yeah, it's longer than the norm, but it wasn't 18 months like me. Right. And later I found out what was going on was I kept getting right-up shot after shot after shot. And so they kept having to redesignate me. Like, I started off.

Starting point is 01:26:29 I was going to be at a low. But because they kept having to redesignate me, my points just got higher and higher. And then because I kept getting right up after right up, and to where now, you know, I'm going to, my first spot was a medium high, which they call it disciplinary yard. Right.

Starting point is 01:26:47 Yeah. Do they call it a medium high? I mean, I typically just think of like, there's like places like Yazoo where they're like, oh, it's a low. They're like, yeah, but it's a disciplinary low. You walk through metal detectors there. Yeah, it's not like the low I was at.

Starting point is 01:27:04 Yeah. It's a, you know, because, which one were you out? Was it Coleman? Oh, yeah. You go to Coleman, it's a regular kind of a soft-ass low. You go to, yet they send you to Yazoo, and it's like, people are getting stabbed. People are, they're asking for people paperwork. I mean, it might as well be like a medium or, and a bad medium, not even like the

Starting point is 01:27:23 medium I went to. Because the medium I went to, you don't have to be involved in anything. You go get your job. You can go back to yourself. sitting there, read your book. I mean, as long as you're not already affiliated. Like, if you showed up there and you were a or something and everybody knew or you showed up and you were a rival gang, like you're going to have, and they knew you were.

Starting point is 01:27:43 And it's in your paperwork and you got problems. But to me, they're like, this is just a, this guy's just a fraudster. And he's teaching GED. And, you know, so you're not affiliated with any gang. So they don't care about you being a part of a gang because you're, this isn't a street guy. We don't even want this guy on our thing because he's not, he's going to be useless. Unless we're running a ticket and he's going to do the books. Like he's going to be our accountant.

Starting point is 01:28:08 Like this guy's useless as far as our purposes are concerned. Yeah. Now, of course, if you were in like a pin or something, like doesn't matter, you're going to, you're going to join something. You know, because we can't. Independence are a gang. Right, because we can't let you be a victim. If you're a white guy, we can't let you say, oh, I'm not going to be a part of that. Because now you, if you become a victim,

Starting point is 01:28:28 It makes us look back. It makes us look bad because we're white guys. And even though you didn't want to be a part of us, now we can't let these other gangs victimize this white guy. So it's like it puts them in a bad spot. So it's like either we're going to beat your ass or you're going to be a part of our little organization here. So just think, you know. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:48 I've been a part of that a million times if it's a part of it one time. Which all seems really stupid out here. That's what I'm saying. In there, it's so serious that it makes sense. And there's no arguing. We're not having a discussion about this. No, it's what it is. Right.

Starting point is 01:29:05 This is what it is. You're going to be here tomorrow, working out with us in the morning, or we're going to rush in your cell and beat the crap out of you. Yeah. You know, and this is your own people. You think, oh, it's my own people. Yeah, because you're going to make them look bad when you're being taken advantage of in two weeks or three weeks. Yep. almost every time I violated one of my guys, it was because they were making us look weak or bad.

Starting point is 01:29:28 Right. It's one of the most serious situations. So you're absolutely right. Absolutely right. That's why we don't let punks, white punks walk the yard. Right. You can't be a white punk at the USP. Maybe some on the East Coast and some that are hiding.

Starting point is 01:29:41 Yeah. There's some hideouts. You know, I've seen it. Right. I beat them up. But at least they're pretending and trying to pretend, right? Yeah. They're trying to, yeah.

Starting point is 01:29:51 Yeah. Yeah. It is dumb. And that's what I mean. It's like in the grand scheme of like, have you ever read Victor Frankl's The Meaning of Life? No. Oh, dude, you got to read it.

Starting point is 01:30:02 It's this big. It's a tiny little book. Change your life. Okay. I promise. You get text texted to me. I'll order it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:10 I order stuff all the meaning of life. Yeah. I either so funny because I have guys that are locked up that, you know, they'll send me a letter. I'll get a letter and be like, hey, bro, what's going on with you? How's it going? I was wondering if you could order me a book. me a book. Can you look up this book? Then, you know, I'll, I got one guy, I bet you I've

Starting point is 01:30:27 ordered him 50 books, an entire series of books that he likes. And, you know, it makes me feel good because I only order like three or four at a time. He's like, if you could order me one or two, and then I'll order like four, because that way, I know it gives him a little bit of time. Order him four. And then he'll come back, hey, man, could you order me another couple? And then I'll order another four. But, and then I'll print out pictures of, of Jess and I doing stuff together. That's huge. Because I know how huge that is to get photos of your friends

Starting point is 01:30:56 or people you were locked up with that they're doing what you're like, oh man, that's so great. It's huge. Like I know what that means. And to me, buying a couple books, that's nothing. That's a joke. Yeah. You're absolutely right, man.

Starting point is 01:31:09 Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. I do. I help a couple guys too. Do the same thing because I know. Yeah, listen, this one guy, I would send him money, a buddy of mine, I send him money and everything else.

Starting point is 01:31:20 what a mistake that is now. We're best friends. This guy won't, he got out. He won't leave me alone. He's calling all the time. He's driving me nuts. It's like, bro, we're best friends. They're like, oh, I didn't know.

Starting point is 01:31:30 I didn't know this was what was going on. I didn't know we were building this life long friendship. You're driving me crazy, bro. Yeah. I work to do. Yeah. That's funny. I know.

Starting point is 01:31:42 My wife drives my wife nuts. We'll be at Walmart or something. And these guys just come out of nowhere. Casper, my homie, what's up? I had one guy. say they it was someone I knew from years and years from like with my wife in living before and he heard my voice at the the restore and he comes like are you Sam? I was like yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:04 He said, do you remember me? I barely remembered him. Yeah. I was like, yeah, dude, yeah. He gave me a hug. He's like, dude, I knew because your voice is so remember. He says, he goes, it's like an angel. Dude, my wife looked at me like.

Starting point is 01:32:18 And she just, we. We're talking about that the other day, too. She's just like, okay, see you later, voice of an angel. I was like, what the, it sounds like a girl. I've been telemarketing before. And it was like, okay, thank you, ma'am. Every time when they hang up with me. I'm like, I'm not a man.

Starting point is 01:32:33 I don't think you have a female voice, but I was going to say I had this guy, this guy that invited me to this thing and the keys I just went to. And there was like 50, 60 people there. And he was introducing me around. And he watches my podcast. And he, but the way he would introduce me is, hey, this is Matt Cox. Listen, this guy's got an amazing podcast. Listen, I fall asleep to him every single night.

Starting point is 01:33:02 I was like, after about the third person, he said that, said, could you not introduce me as he keeps saying? Yeah. Like, it's not, you know, I don't think it's coming off the way you think it's coming off. Yeah. Just tell him I have a podcast that you listen to it night. Yeah. He's like, I didn't mean like that. Yeah, I know, but it's crumbing off really, really creepy.

Starting point is 01:33:23 Yeah. And, of course, because he says that, people look at me like this. I'm like, stop what you. If you want your melatonin increase, just listen to Matt Cox. You, stop what you think. Yeah. I'm not whispering in his ear at night, you know. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:35 So. That's right. I tried to put on Theo Vaughn last night to go to sleep. I couldn't sleep. I got to sleep like at 3.30. And I just probably excited, nervous, whatever, you know. Right. And, yeah, I just couldn't do it.

Starting point is 01:33:45 I just shut everything off, turn on a fan, just kind of. And just as soon as I fell asleep, alarm, I was like, oh my gosh. Theo Vaughan's hilarious. Listen, there was a waiter that looked like Theo Vaughn. He even had his, this was at that place in the Keys. He even had, it was young kid, he was probably 17, but he looked like Theo Vaughn. I guaranteed Theo Vaughan looked just like this kid when he was 17. And he even had the haircut.

Starting point is 01:34:09 He had the kind of partial mullet kind of thing going on. And we were talking about it. Then we walked by on like the next day and I saw him. I said, hey, bro, I said, you know, You look just like the Ovan. He was like, get it all the time. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:21 I get it all the time. Yeah, they know. Yeah, they know. So it wasn't just us. Yeah. I'm kind of like known for like matching people with movie stars just because it's just one like one of my like carnival tricks or whatever, you know, guess you're waiting. You know.

Starting point is 01:34:36 Anyways. Where was that? Kobe. Uh, you were in jail. Yeah, yeah. You were, you were in jail and. I was always in jail. You, you were in jail.

Starting point is 01:34:47 You'd stab the guy. they never charged him. I never charged you for it. Nothing like that. But she's now I basically had credibility. And then. Yeah, there we go.

Starting point is 01:34:56 Yeah. And then. So yeah, so my points get high, you know, and so that's kind of the reason. In the gang guy now, the SIS gang guy,

Starting point is 01:35:05 is like coming to talk to me all the time, you know. Now you're on his radar. Now I'm on his radar. Yeah. You know, there's some other crazy things that happened at C-TAC. You know,

Starting point is 01:35:17 We had a little riot with the Paisas crazy because there was pool tables in the units in the units where, you know, where we watch TV and stuff. And because it's just like a building, you know, next to the airport. Yeah. And kind of like Oklahoma. Yeah, yeah. I was at Oklahoma for a couple weeks. Yeah. And anyway, it was right there.

Starting point is 01:35:40 Right next to me this dude, I was watching TV where we were sitting back, got hit with a pole cue right side of the face. And then, but there was a lot of lames there too, but, you know, technically I was a lame, but I was just better at, you know, playing the part, you know. And, yeah, so anyway, so I was on the gang guys radar. So now where I'm heading, I got this big file, you know. And, I mean, it was literally, my file was like that. And, you know, everyone else was coming was like that. And, like, to her, like, I was in R&D, and the dude's like,

Starting point is 01:36:15 Yarbrough, I can't find your file. Can't find your file. And he had, it was like, exactly like that. And he had set something on it, like another file folder. I was like, is that it? He's like, holy shit. He's like, yeah, you're going to have to come in, stay for a captain's review. So I went to the shoe.

Starting point is 01:36:37 Everyone else went to the units. They sent me to the shoe. And they put me on a captain's review. And what a captain's review? Have you ever heard of captain's review? Yeah. Yeah. So they just kind of just investigate, come talk to me.

Starting point is 01:36:48 Like, are you going to be good? Yeah. Is he going to cause problems on the yard? Is he going to have any issues with anybody on the yard? Is it going to set something off? Yeah, because, you know, I had, even at that time, I had like maybe 10 or 11 separaties. Right. Already, you know, Tomos, people I've just smashed or just people who've smashed me.

Starting point is 01:37:10 Right. You know. Well, I'm pretty sure that guy, you broke his jaw, had a separatise on you from then. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I always knew, like, when I would be designated if I was heading somewhere and I didn't get it, you know, because, you know, I kind of request it, you know, case manager or counsel would be like, yeah, yeah, we'll try to get you there, bro. You're good, you're good.

Starting point is 01:37:27 And I wouldn't happen. I'd be like, oh, John's probably over there somewhere, you know, telling someone. And so anyway, so finally my day has come. I'm in the shoe and, like, Yarber roll it up. I was like, dude, I was like, what? My buddy jumps down. His name was Sparky, little skinhead out of Vancouver, Washington. And he's like, man, man, you're going, you're going.

Starting point is 01:37:53 He's just so happy for me, man. This is just to go into the prison. Yeah, dude. He's happy just to go to prison. Yeah. But this place was all enclosed. You know, we never went outside. And I was there for 18 months.

Starting point is 01:38:05 But, man, I had a lot of fun there. Caught Hep C there, though. So that sucked. I'm cured now. There's the cure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But the fed's paid for it.

Starting point is 01:38:15 They're like really good about that. They want you to live to do your time, I guess. Exactly. They'll keep you alive, Earl, you know. Yeah, yeah. But to be honest, I was devastated when I first found out. I thought it was like getting AIDS, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:38:30 And I was like, oh, man, I'm never going to have sex again. I'm going to die. My liver's going to just shrink up and fall away. But anyway, so I get to, I get to Oklahoma. You know, everyone's trying to find out where they're going, you know. Hey, man, can you tell where I'm going? No, no, no, nope, nope, nope. Every once in a while you get an air marshal that might, you know, no, for some reason

Starting point is 01:38:50 and, like, tell you or tell you, like, this is where we're headed, you know, and that's probably where you're going. But, you know, they stop at multiple stops. But anyway, so I go to Oklahoma. I'm only there like two days. You know, I'm expecting to be there for months because that was my last experience. Yeah. But I'm only there for two days.

Starting point is 01:39:07 And we get on the plane. you know, everyone's like going, well, we're going, I think we're flying east, where's the sun, you know, everyone on the plane is trying to figure out which direction we're headed. And I was like trying to figure it out. And I couldn't guess. I'm still new. I don't know all the prisons. I don't know there's a prison in Marion or Tara Hut or, you know, Alan Wood or Hazleton.

Starting point is 01:39:29 I don't know where all those prisons are. I never even heard of those prisons. But I was like, man, it looks like we're going towards Canada. I feel like we're going towards Canada. And sure enough, that's where we're headed. stopped at Tara Hut, and that was my first spot at the medium. The medium. I thought I was going to the pen.

Starting point is 01:39:47 Where's Tara Hut? Indiana. Indiana. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's where they came back. Okay.

Starting point is 01:39:52 Yeah. Yeah. So I'm at Tara Hut, and that's where I'm doing the captain's review. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. How did I get backwards? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:40:03 Yeah, that's crazy. So the captain reviews your thing? Yeah. He lets you go. He views my thing. He's cool. as a fan, I'm fool as a fan. Like, I'm just happy to be somewhere.

Starting point is 01:40:15 So he lets me out. They give me my bed roll, and they go to M unit. This is an old prison. 1938. It was built. You know, what's his name was there? Al Capone was there. Al Capone's wife was in the women's prison.

Starting point is 01:40:34 And so I get there, I got my bedroll. I'm like, yeah, man. I'm so happy, man. I get to this unit. It's M unit M, doors open. And I look and all I see is black dudes. I mean, as far as you can see, it's a really long, old, metal, old, crazy dark, you know, type prison. And, like, super dark, you know, like, especially in this unit right now, right?

Starting point is 01:41:04 I'm like, I think he got the wrong unit. He's like, no, man, you're up there. you know, 136 or whatever. I think that was the cell. 136 up there. I'm like, nah, nah,

Starting point is 01:41:16 you got me in the wrong unit, bro. I can't be in there. First of all, I can't live with a black dude. He's like, oh, here you're going to live with a black dude. I was like,

Starting point is 01:41:23 no, I'm not. I can't live with black dude. Go get my file. Go get the captain. He's like, no, you're going up there. I'm like,

Starting point is 01:41:31 no, he's like, your cellie's not black, dude. I'm like, who's my silly? Because I don't want to be some creepy, you know,

Starting point is 01:41:37 I'm going through the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to, you know, be tough, be cool. These are the rules I have to live by. Right. Because I, if I go somewhere else and they, oh, you live with a GD? Right. No way, man.

Starting point is 01:41:50 They'll stab me for it. Yeah. Something as little as that. Anyway, I look, the cop goes, hey, Doss. Doss comes like, looking over. He's like, like that. It's his little old man. This little old man.

Starting point is 01:42:02 I was like, all right, man. I'll live with that, dude. So I go up there. Das is this cool, old bank robber. is robbed like 135 banks. Can't stop Robin. Gets to the halfway house. Gets to the halfway house.

Starting point is 01:42:14 Rob's a casino just so you can buy a pack of cigarettes. You know what I mean? He just can't stop Robin. Das was good ass dude, man. Super old, good ass dude. Big old glasses, you know, the Chulminators or whatever, 2000s. And, and...

Starting point is 01:42:30 And... Tuss is like, I'm so relieved, bro. I'm like, what? He's like, I got a white boy. I was like, yeah, I'm a white boy. I'm a white boy. And he's just like, man, I'm so glad. He's like, he's like, you're cool on top bunk.

Starting point is 01:42:44 You want me get up top? I was like, no, man, I'm cool on top. I love top. I do love the top one. Right. And so we hit it off. So I started asking questions, what's it like? Is there anything on the table?

Starting point is 01:42:58 Meaning like, are the white boys in any shit right now? Is things about to pop off? And he's like, no. He's like, what? No, man. This place is cool. He's like, if you just came. from that, you know, that kind of, you're going to love it here.

Starting point is 01:43:10 Right. And I'm like, I don't know, man. He's like, I said, well, I'm going to go take a shower, man, and fly my flag. And what that means is, like, show everyone who I am with my tattoos, right? So I get dressed, put my towel on. But I go, you're going to catch security for me? He's like, dude, you don't have to do that here. I was like, man, you're going to catch security for me. He's like, oh, yeah, bro, yeah, oh, yeah, bro. So I go to the shower, and I just walk. And I'm big at this time. I'm like 250. with like hardly any body fat. And I just go down to the shower. He's down to everyone's just like, this guy.

Starting point is 01:43:46 Right. And there was this dude, right? This guy's going to be a problem. Yeah, this guy's going to be a problem. We're all trying to do some nice, quiet time. Yeah. But you know, as soon as I find that out, that's what I'm trying to do. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:43:57 I'm not trying to be a problem, but I look like I'm a problem. Right. So I walk, I'm walking down, and there's this black dude has got long dreads across the way. I'm thinking he's a Jamaican. I probably just stabbed his boy, you know. Turns out that that wasn't the case. But anyway, so I go take a shower. When I come out, the dude's still standing there looking at me.

Starting point is 01:44:21 And he's like, hey, man, when you get dressed, man, come hollering me, bro. You know, he's like super cool. I'm like, I'm like, all right. So I go down there and get dressed. And I'm like, to my cell, I'm like, hey, who's that fool? Who's that fool? He's like, oh, that's OGA. He's a GD.

Starting point is 01:44:33 War member, like a, like a nose larry. You know, the leader of the GDs. You ever heard that name? Ganger disciples or just the name? Yeah, gangster disciples. Yeah. No, I thought you meant the name of the guy you just said. Oh, Larry Hoover?

Starting point is 01:44:48 Yeah, I don't know who that is. He's the one who started the GDs. Like, he's their founder. Okay. Like on his birthday, they all have a plate of food no matter where they're at in the world. They like, it's a thing. And he goes, yeah, that's a board member for the GDs. And I was like, oh, great.

Starting point is 01:45:07 So like I get dressed. I know he's not going to fight me because there's always no hands. Right. Yeah. So going down there is not going to be a problem, but it's maybe a horror talk or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I go down there. He's like, man, have a seat, man.

Starting point is 01:45:19 I was like, man, I'm good, bro, man. I just got here. You know, I was trying to get the lay of the land. He's like, man, I have a seat, man. I was like, all right, man. But I could tell by his tone, he's cool. Right. Him and I end up being super close.

Starting point is 01:45:32 Like, it's one of my favorite people in the world, actually. And so I sit down and I'm like, what's up, man, what's up? He's like, who you run with? And I told him my shit. And he's like, all right, all right. He's like, you cool, man? I was like, I'm cool, man. He's like, no, man, are you cool?

Starting point is 01:45:51 I was like, yeah, man, I'm cool. He's like, all right, man. That was it. That was it. But I knew what he was saying. Right. He's like, are you cool, man, or do you really hate me? Right, yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:02 Do you really hate me because of my skin color? Right. that's what he was asking me. And I was like, yeah, man, I'm cool. You know? What I want to say is, this is all fake, dude. Right. You know?

Starting point is 01:46:12 Right. But, you know, I can't do that. I still got to meet all the white boys on the yard, you know. But him and I talk later, you know, he realizes, man, Casper's as cool as hell, man. That's my dude. He would always tell me, but when I, when I owe a ton of money for heroin, you know, I'd need, you know, 100 books, you know, 500 or those with books, you know,

Starting point is 01:46:32 And he'd be, I'd be like, man, let me get a couple racks of books. He'd be like, all right. He'd say, throw me a thousand dollars with the books. That's how cool we end up being. Right. And I'd pay my debt. And then I'd pay him back because he would give me more time. So I go to the yard, you know, first, first wreckyard, go to the yard, meet the white boys.

Starting point is 01:46:49 You know, of course, you know, a couple are leery, you know, who's this fool? You know, but they're just hiding out. I already know that. You know, I can already feel that. They're just, you know, they don't want to be like, yeah, because they don't want to get close to me because they think I'm going to like lift rocks and you know check their paperwork run them on pace or whatever but I didn't do that right but I put off that vibe you know what I mean they think a guy like me who looks like me and who's like presenting themselves as this guy right

Starting point is 01:47:16 is going to do that do you know what does that make sense I understand what you're saying sometimes you look at me and I'm just like no no I understand you're but at this point you don't that you're you're presenting your you you present you're presenting your you you present one way, but the truth is you just want to do your time and go home. Yeah, man. Yeah. But then if, but then the guys, but then the guys that go around saying that, then they're inviting trouble. Yeah. But if you're like, man, I just don't want any problems. Okay, well, now you're going to have problems because you seem like somebody I can push around. Yeah. So you're presenting a certain image that. Yeah. So what happens? So I turned it around. Yeah. No, that was that was your, that was your, your, your, your,

Starting point is 01:47:56 wedding ring. Oh, that wasn't that. Well, I thought it was. No, it was. Oh, okay. It was But I was hitting it like that first And then I was I bought that watch So Yeah so I go meet the guys Everything's cool man There's this dude named Danny

Starting point is 01:48:14 He was a bank robber Did 25 years I think took a teller hostage or something That's a mistake Yeah totally stupid Yeah him and his brother Better with a note Better with a note

Starting point is 01:48:24 You get four years Whatever you get Yeah Yeah And so So, I see that Danny's like the rooster of the yard. You know what I mean? There's no white boys have this yard.

Starting point is 01:48:41 It's not like, it's not like that. You know, there's some gang members here and there, you know, Aryan Circle over here, a couple dirty white boys over there. They're like spread out. But they're all kind of like keeping to themselves. You know, they might get together at Christmas and play football. But everyone's like kind of keeping it because we had a whites against blacks football. game every Christmas, like in the snow and the mud.

Starting point is 01:49:03 It was pretty dope. You know, just a bunch of, just tackling the shit out because we could get away with it. Right. You know, but dudes, dudes we like and know, you know, like, you know, GDs and vice lords, you know, against the, you know, the skins and the dirty white boys or whatever, you know, it was just, it was our Christmas, we did every Christmas. Right. I loved it.

Starting point is 01:49:21 And, uh, but anyway, so I see this dude, Danny. And I can tell, man, this, he's dude. He's cool. Um, he's like the, you can tell everyone, like, kind of respects. him so I want to meet him you know so I go but I can tell this isn't one of those yards where they all surround you like right where are you from when you get a good year where you're going to do this it was like it was kind of like every man for themselves so anyway so I want to meet this dude because he he seems cool so I meet

Starting point is 01:49:48 him and we hit it off right off the bat like right off the bat to this day he just got out like seven months ago and uh no maybe it may it was like a year now but anyway um um yeah i'm sorry i was just thinking about him for a second um yeah so i meet him and uh we just become best friends right and uh so it's i'm doing tattoos i'm doing this and that um i i do just by proxy kind of like take that yard which is crazy um and it and it wasn't it wasn't it was just because i was always speaking for the white boys do you know what i mean right because i could talk to these dudes, you know, because, and I didn't escalate things ever, you know what I mean? I was a, de-escalator, if anything. So one time there was a huge problem where a white boy took some

Starting point is 01:50:43 boiling, we called it napalm, boiling water, baby oil, all the, all the things, boil it, throw it in someone's face. Right. Right. And we call it napole because the oil will stay, the state anyway yeah it'll it'll do some serious damage serious damage peeled this this uh gd's face like almost off like you know like it's i seen layer it's just white right right just burnt white and um the uh it was a big thing we got locked down we were locked down for a long time when they were gonna politicking to come back to come out um there was a knock on the on the door you know on the cell door we have like these weird cell doors I had just like these little windows like that.

Starting point is 01:51:29 And this knock on the door, well, I'm, I'm, uh, making hooch. You know, I'm straining my wine. Right. And a cop opens the door and I said, hey, what's up, man? He's like, hey, the warden wants you. Oh my God, what's? You know, I don't, I don't know people out there understand. Like, these wardens, like, they, they are, they have, they're important.

Starting point is 01:51:53 I guess you can say. Like, yeah, you can see the warden. on Wednesday, you know, standing at the Chow Hall, you know, if you want to ask the Warren questions, but you're just not going to... Yeah, mainline. And would they do it like once a week or something? Yeah, they're supposed to.

Starting point is 01:52:08 Yeah, they're supposed to. Yeah, they're supposed to. You're funny. They don't. They do, but they don't. So anyway, the Warren wants to see me. I'm like, okay, what the hell? So they bring me down there, and as I'm going down there,

Starting point is 01:52:24 my case manager is going to walk me the rest of the way because he wants to talk to me. He's like, well, you got what you were looking for. I was like, what? He's like, well, you're now the shot caller for the yard. Did the warden just appoint me? Yeah. Because you guys didn't have a conversation. Yeah, let me back up.

Starting point is 01:52:42 Me and my case manager were here. Right. He knows who I am. You know what I mean? Like I've had one on one on one to ones with him where I've told him like, no, man. I'm just a systems engineer. Right. he'd discovered,

Starting point is 01:52:54 he lost his wife and discovered dope. Right. And he knows all that. So he, so he's like, well, God, what you were looking for?

Starting point is 01:53:00 I was like, I ain't looking for that shit. Why, he's like, because all those other gang leaders, the, the GDs, the vice lords,

Starting point is 01:53:08 the Latin kings, the, what's the other folks one? Because the pit, a lot of gangs run under the pitchfork. Anyway, all the other pitchfork gangs, the,

Starting point is 01:53:19 that are under Larry Hoover and the GDs, the, um, they're all asking for you. I'm like, okay? What do they want for me? They go, well, it's the white boy that threw the shit on that dude. I was like, well, he wasn't in my car.

Starting point is 01:53:34 Right. You know my car. He's like, no, this yard is your car. I was like, great. So I go down there. I'm like, what's up, guys? They're like, old boy can't come out. I'm like, cool.

Starting point is 01:53:47 Absolutely, he can't come out. What? So you guys can't come out? Right. Yeah, he can't come out. Absolutely. what are we here for he's like was there going to be any problems with with his people well actually there was going to be problems he runs with the tennessee car and they they're like the only like

Starting point is 01:54:05 state car that just hates all the gang stuff and hates this and for real that black dudes had that coming right he had a coming so because he was punking him kept ass playing him uh uh you know what i mean yeah yeah he was trying to he was trying to he was trying to F him. Yeah. And that's what he was doing. And somebody lit a fire on him, you know. It had a gas can.

Starting point is 01:54:30 You got to do something. You got to do something. You got to do something. Anyway, okay. So that's what happened. And so now I'm thinking, these dudes do have a problem with it. But yeah, he can't come out. But neither can, oh, boy.

Starting point is 01:54:46 You know? Right. But they're like, no, no, he can come out. I was like, well, there's going to be a problem with that. his car is going isn't going to they'll try to kill the dude because the dude is trying to f him right and they're like wow now you know what you know and it was ogy ed too was down there and he's like man how many times if i looked out for you i was like ed you can't you can't do that to me right now this ain't me this is them he's like yeah but but you you you're over them i'm like ed no i'm not

Starting point is 01:55:16 no i'm not yeah i can go talk to him and say like man you're going to do this i'm only over my little group, you know? And he's like, well, there's going to be problems. There's going to be problems. So they lock us back down for a long time. Like, I don't know, like three more weeks. Will the warden let you go talk to these guys in there go door to door? I end up having to do that.

Starting point is 01:55:38 Okay. Yep. And so there was this dude named Curley. He was with the old boy that shot Martin Luther King. Anyway, that's not important. But now I can't. Now it's bug me. I can't remember his name.

Starting point is 01:55:52 Who's just his birthday? Or he just died or something. James O'Reigh. James O'Reigh. Yeah. With him and this dude and James O'Reary were like best friends. Oh, my God. Did you ever hear this story?

Starting point is 01:56:05 Oh, my God. Can I tell you a story real quick? Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm tired of talking. Listen, I got. Not really. What's I'm going to say?

Starting point is 01:56:12 Do you have to be somewhere? No, no, but I have something at one. But we got like an hour or so, but real quick. So, so, you know, so, you know, the white guys during Martin Luther King Day, right, are going around saying happy James Earl Ray Day, right, to each other, right? Now, I, there was a white, there was a white guy named, oh, God, what was his name? Hold on, Dejeron. They called him DeGeronimo, right? And he was. was one of the pretendians, you know, the pretendians? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not really indie.

Starting point is 01:56:53 De Geronimo is actually, is actually Italian. Yeah. But they heard Geronimo. So they think DeGeronimo, they think he's Indian. But anyway, he was all bullshit. But he was a tattoo artist, right? And so he comes up to me and he said he made some crack about, you know, hey, happy Martin Luther King's Day. And I said, no.

Starting point is 01:57:18 And I go, oh, I said, you mean, I said, because he's one of the white guys and they're all, they're all connected. They kind of use the, they kind of use the, um, pretendian, the Indian, being all Indians is, it's like a little white club, right? Or they use the whole, um, where they call it the other thing. They, uh, the, um, the religious. The, the Thor thing. What is it? The Odinus. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:57:39 That this, Odinism, it's kind of like a, it's, they've got it as a religion, but it's really kind of like a little white gang. They kind of use it that way. Yeah. So, he said something. to me and I said, oh, you mean a, um, uh, a James Earl Ray Day? And he goes like this. He he was, what do you mean? I said, it's, I said, yeah, yeah. I said, you know, it's James Earl Ray day like that. And he goes, and he goes, what do you mean? I said, oh, I said, you didn't know that? I said, yeah, I said, Martin Luther King, his real name wasn't Martin Luther King. His real name was

Starting point is 01:58:09 James Earl Ray. He changed it to Martin Luther King after the, the real Martin Luther who started the Lutheran church. I said, he was Lutheran. And I said, so he took the name, Martin, his first name was Martin. I said, Martin Luther King. I said, but his real name was James Earl Ray. I said, so if like you really know what's going on, I said, you say, like, James Earl Ray Day. And he goes, he said, James Earl Ray. James Earl, he said, okay, okay.

Starting point is 01:58:35 He said, I didn't know that. I said, oh, yeah, I said, yeah, like, you know, I said, like. Dude, you just said this too, bro. Oh, my God. I said, like, um, it was, uh, I said, like Marilyn and Rose's name wasn't Marilyn in Row. And he's like, yeah, yeah, no. it was, um, oh shoot, what's her name? Her real name was,

Starting point is 01:58:52 anyway, he said he knew her real name. I was like, you're right. So he goes, Anna Cole Smith? No, no. Anna Nicole Smith's, uh, changed her name. Norma Jean. Norma Jean was, was, yeah, Norma Jean mortison.

Starting point is 01:59:05 Yeah, was her real. Norma Jean was her real name. Right. Morton's, whatever. So anyway, so I tell him, you know, James Earl Wright. He leaves. Mm-hmm. I don't think anything of it. He comes up to me later.

Starting point is 01:59:17 furious. Because, so keep in mind, most of the correctional officers, it, you know, are, huh? Osophers. Did I say what I said? Officers. The, most of the CEOs are black. So he goes to wreck because he's going to paint. And he sees the main guard is named.

Starting point is 01:59:40 His actual name was Fed. You know, well, you know, they have a little thing, their last name. Fed. And it's funny because his son went to work there And his son's name was he also fed Like he's like you know there's another guy He's like yeah, it's my dad Anyway so there's a

Starting point is 01:59:54 A black woman that works there CEO and Fed which is also a CEO And he sees them and he walks up to them And he says hey Happy James Earl Ray Day And they went And they look and say they go what? He goes yeah James Earl Ray

Starting point is 02:00:13 And he was happy James Earl Ray day and they went, he is, you know who James Earl Ray is, right? And they go, yeah, yeah, yeah, we do. Yeah, we sure do. And he goes, yeah, yeah, he says, yeah, Martin Luther King. And they go, what? And he said, yeah, Martin Luther King's real name was James Earl. So he has this discussion with him.

Starting point is 02:00:31 They're like, no. And they tell him, that was the guy that shot Martin Luther King. And he's, Cox. Yeah. Yeah. Do they hear my name? they know who I am too. And they go, is that what he told you?

Starting point is 02:00:48 And so they start laughing. They're like, damn, they said, listen, if you hadn't said, Cocks, I said, you're about to have some problems. Yeah. He was like, he's like, I'm sorry. I thought, oh, damn it. Yeah. So then, of course, he sees me hours later and I'm walking or whatever.

Starting point is 02:01:01 He's like, Cox. Yeah. And I'm like, what I'm like, oh, shit? I said, what happened? Yeah. I knew something's going to happen. Yeah. You know what I just did?

Starting point is 02:01:10 He's your lucky they didn't throw me in the shoe. Yeah. This is that a low? Yeah. No, no, this was at the medium. Oh, okay. I don't think this guy ever even made it to the, ever made it to a little. Coleman.

Starting point is 02:01:22 Oh, yeah, the Coleman has two pens. Yeah. Yeah, I know. There were two pins, a medium and a little. Yeah. Like, you know, to go from the medium. Yeah. To the low, they put you in a little, they put you in a little van and they drive you,

Starting point is 02:01:36 like across the parking lot. It's like, couldn't we? Like, it took more time to load up in the van than it would have to walk across the parking. I said, we do it. They shackled me. They had shotguns. It's like, I'm going to the low. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:48 Fellas. Yeah. Please. So anyway, I'm sorry. So you were saying, so you, so what happened? You eventually, you know that three more ways they lock you guys up. Yeah, three more ways. They lock us up.

Starting point is 02:02:00 I go talk to the guy. So the dude who was friends with James O'Rey in Tennessee. He was like, no, no, no, no, no. My guy's coming out. That dude's, that dude's guy. I'm like, dude, it's impossible for him to come up. Are you going to, like, protect him every day? And he realizes eventually, though.

Starting point is 02:02:18 But he, you know, he's stubborn. He wants to stand on it, you know? He's hell of racist. Heller racist. So we're all going to spend the rest of his time in locked up? Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, well, I don't even know why they're talking to you.

Starting point is 02:02:31 I got this. I got this. I was like, I don't know why they're talking to me either, bro. Right. You know, you guys, you guys want me for all this other stuff. But then now you don't want me. It's fine. I don't want to be wanted.

Starting point is 02:02:43 Yeah. But because I got some kind of, you think I have some kind of Jedi mind control every, because they used to say that, don't talk, Kathy. Jedi mind control you, you know, and doing something you don't want to do or, you know, or to like, you want to go to someone, but he'll talk to you and next thing, you know, you don't.

Starting point is 02:03:00 I go, but I don't, man. I just try to talk sense. Cooler heads prevail. Right. Always. Always. I wish I could remember that in my day-to-day life now. But I don't, dude.

Starting point is 02:03:11 I don't. I was just road rage on the way here. And I was excited to come here. And now I was just angry. But, yeah. So anyway, it ends up, neither one of them can come out. Okay. We'll just fast forward.

Starting point is 02:03:27 I mean, there really nothing else happened. And we just talk, talk. The captain said, neither one of them are coming out. So when they say neither one of them coming out, they're going to, they're not saying their sales. They're going to ship them both, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because they're trying to keep.

Starting point is 02:03:38 I'm shocked they're trying to keep the one guy on the, on the yard. at all. Right. You know, you would think they would have immediately, because at Coleman, if there were two guys that got into a fight, like, I'm shipping, well, you're going to sit in the shoe for, used to be six or nine months. They did something happen at some point. It was like, okay, three months.

Starting point is 02:03:56 Like he'll be. I've always set six or nine. Right. But that was, you know, when did you, I got out five years ago? And like I said, it was. Initially, it was always like six, nine months that you were going to sit in the shoe and then we're going to ship you. But then something happened where they stopped giving as long,

Starting point is 02:04:11 of shoe time. This was only a few years before I got out. They started saying, okay, well, we can't keep these guys, you know, I don't know who it was, amnesty international. I don't know who came in and said, look, what are you doing?

Starting point is 02:04:22 You got people that are doing three years in the shoe. What do you do? You can't do that. These guys are psychotic by the time they get out. So then it started being like, they started with before they give you 90 days. Then they started giving like two weeks. It dropped like, you know, a month.

Starting point is 02:04:37 It would have been 90 days to six months. It was like a month. So it used to be a, If you got into a, two guys got into a fight, you're both going to the shoe. And you're both. And maybe one guy might come back if the other guy is basically says, listen, I attacked him. Let him stay here. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:04:56 It's so funny, too. Colby, sorry. It's so funny, too, because you will have guys that will be like mortal enemies. And then they'll have a fight. And then they'll get there and they'll get in front of like SIS. And suddenly they're like, man, he's not even a bad guy. I don't know why I did that. Like as soon as it's over, they're like, his fuck, don't, don't, don't, it's my fault.

Starting point is 02:05:19 Don't even ship him. Yeah. Like his parents live here. They come see him like every couple weeks. I know he's got a kid here. I don't know what I was thinking. But these guys get bipolar and they can't get out of their head. And then they have the fight.

Starting point is 02:05:32 And then it's like it's released. And they get a lot. Suddenly they become reasonable again. And they start realizing like, what did I do? Yeah. That's exactly it. And I like that guy. That's pretty astute, actually, because that's what it is.

Starting point is 02:05:43 It's like a bipolar. Not seeing everyone's bipolar, but it is. It's the, they get it out. You used to pluck them out of the environment, let them cool down for 10 days. That's why I think SIS takes 10 days to come see you. You know, you're always like, what are they? It's been a week. Maybe that's a reason.

Starting point is 02:05:58 Yeah, you like to think, well, they're just very busy. No, I think they're waiting for you to calm down and be sick of being in that cell. And so by the time they get to you, they're like, okay, what happened? Because for the first 48 hours, You're going to lie to them, you know, but after a week or two, you're just like, you're just like, look, bro, man. The guy pissed me off. I got into a fight. I attacked him.

Starting point is 02:06:18 Or, you know, or the reverse, you know, I said something to him. The guy attacked me. I shouldn't have said it. It was stupid. I don't know what I was thinking. You know, they picked up a lot while you're in there. For somebody who stayed out of trouble. Yeah, because, I mean, that whole dynamic, that all of that is exactly what it is.

Starting point is 02:06:34 Not that I was involved in much, but I would watch it. Yeah. You would see the guy. Same. Yeah. Like, I've seen the warden take a guy from one cell down over here to another cell. You know, and then they, then they go to, or they'll pull the guy out and bring him into a room where you know the warden is because he didn't, you could see him come in the place and go in the room. And now they're pulling four guys out of different cells to go talk to him.

Starting point is 02:06:58 And he walked in there with another guy that you know is the shot collar. And you're like, Dan, they're pulling people. Like, they're trying to make sure it's okay that these guys all leave. And I wasn't even in that kind of prison. just, that was the medium because most, I think we ever got locked down one time. And you know what, even that time, nothing happened at the medium. Yeah. Something happened at the pen.

Starting point is 02:07:17 Yeah, yeah. Something happened at the pen. At the deuce or the one? Because I think you guys were closer to the deuce. It was the bad one, whichever the one. The deuce. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:07:27 I mean, we literally were on the yard and you could hear the explosions. Yeah. Well, you first they yell at them all. First is the, who. Then you hear them yell. And then it's, get on the ground. Get on the ground. Get on the ground.

Starting point is 02:07:40 Yeah. And then, you know, when they don't get on the ground, when you start hearing the, bow, it's like, it's not even shotguns. Like, they're throwing, those are grenades or something.

Starting point is 02:07:48 And when you're next to one, when you're like in a, even in a building, because all the time, I'd be tattooing it and be like, boom. Yeah. I was going to say,

Starting point is 02:07:56 I can't imagine because you would be in the rec yard and hear it. This is, this is, this is way across the, the combat. And the, and you, walking in the yard and the wreck

Starting point is 02:08:10 in a completely different prison would go would be like, holy Jesus. It's a rumble. What was it like next to it? And they'll drop two or three. Yeah, yeah. This was one time. So a bunch of people got stabbed.

Starting point is 02:08:24 Somebody, an inmate got shot. They had helicopters come in, pick people up and take them or inmates and a correctional officer. And they locked us down for like three weeks. Like we're locked it. We're not even in the prison. You have nothing to do.

Starting point is 02:08:39 with it, but they want to make sure that nothing pops off at the medium. Yep. And so they're walking around asking, you know, the warden and the shot callers were asking questions, like, look, is there going to be an issue? I don't even know whatever it happened. What I do know is there was an article that came out. Mm-hmm. And in the article, this is super, super funny, because the article came out.

Starting point is 02:09:01 And in the article, it said that there was a riot at the Coleman complex. Mm-hmm. And that like six inmates were injured. Two staff officers were injured. One inmate was shot with a shotgun. And they said the Coleman complex holds such notorious criminals as Conrad Black and Matthew Cox. We are unsure which part of the prison of the facility Mr. Cox was Cox and Cox and Black were in during the. the riot.

Starting point is 02:09:38 So if you read it, it makes it sound like I was in the yard with two shanks. Yeah. You're like gang. I'm in another prison. Yeah. Like I'm, but it makes it sound like I could have been there during the riot. Like, you know, you read it and guys are like, bro, this makes, it sounds like you were in the riot.

Starting point is 02:09:54 I was like, I got to keep that article. Yeah. I'm a gangster. But could you imagine like if like in your heart of hearts you were like a true like personality con man and you went back to prison, you had that article? Dude, you take the, take the yard. What do you mean? I had like 10 people that day.

Starting point is 02:10:11 What are you talking about? Yeah. By the way, five of those six guys that got hurt, they died. Yeah. Because of me. So anyway, dude, I have like three more prisons to get to. Oh, what are you doing? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:10:28 Well, I mean. Oh, so. Okay. No, I mean, this is cool. It's fun. I can, I can fast forward. Like, I can do, man, there's some cool. Yeah, but anyway.

Starting point is 02:10:38 I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'll stop talking. No, no, no. I enjoy it. I came here to bullshit, you know. But anyway. So we came out anyways, and those guys got shipped.

Starting point is 02:10:55 So anyway, so we're just doing our thing in the yard. I'll just get to the part where I leave. We got like 30 minutes. I know. I saw I stopped to get to Black Canyon Phoenix USP Pollock That was crazy With

Starting point is 02:11:13 Gene Gotti was there We should play Peanuckle with him And then I And then to Hazleton Where it really got crazy I almost got killed And then to the deuce Okay

Starting point is 02:11:27 Got to the deuce So yeah no we're good Yeah What's the deuce? The Coleman 2 Oh okay Yeah yeah yeah So Matt Tara

Starting point is 02:11:34 hut still. Tehrut was cool, man. There was never any, like, riots. There was a couple of times when we all

Starting point is 02:11:41 had to go out to the yard and stand in each corner of the yard. You know, they got their knife. We got our knives. Really, the biggest thing that ever

Starting point is 02:11:49 happened there was my exit. Some big things happened after me, but I'm like, while I was there, was my exit. So the, the leader of the

Starting point is 02:12:04 of the Latin kings, do you name Sammy, King Sammy. Super cool though. He was always good to me. Like when I was dope sick, he would always get me well, you know,

Starting point is 02:12:16 I say it's good to me, you know, someone else in the outside looking in and maybe even yourself and anyone else would be like, well, no, that's not being good to you. He's feeding you a drug. Right. But I'm sick and I have to be able to be up.

Starting point is 02:12:29 You know, I can't sleep. There was no sleeping, taking naps during the day, at least with our car, You know, if you get caught taking a nap, you need a violation, just because you just have to be ready at all times. That, you know, and I thought that was hardcore there. You know, when I got to the pen, it was a whole another, you know, stand at the door, suited, booted knife. You know, I go to counseling for it now, and I never thought it was an issue until I started counseling for other stuff.

Starting point is 02:12:55 But anyway, so he asked me, he's like, hey, I need a favor. I need to get one of my guys into your unit. He's super cool. You get along with him. I was like, man, I got really another. He's like, he's white. He's a white Latin king. I'm like, we call him Big Mike.

Starting point is 02:13:13 Oh, yeah, I know who Big Mike is. He gets drunk a lot and like, like tries to fight everybody. He's that, yeah, but he can't drink anymore. Or else he's going to get killed. I'm like, all right. I'll take him. So they move him in and like right away, he starts drinking, you know, high drinking. You know, and he's like, man, you can't tell him like, my eye, no rat, but you can't drink, you know, and I'm not going to lie for you.

Starting point is 02:13:41 Right. Sammy asked me directly if you're drinking. I'm going to tell him, I'm going to tell him, yeah. But, you know, I'm not like going to go run to him and tell him that you're drinking. But, dude, you can't handle it. Right. He's like, oh, man, I can handle it. First couple of times, he was good.

Starting point is 02:13:54 He was handling it. And then one time, he was in another cell and they were, you know, straining the wine. and they were all just getting the bottles right away and drinking them as they were straining it so they didn't have to hide it and carry it around and he got super drunk and tried to fight the dude that was straining it and I had to go over there Mike, my Mike, get over here,

Starting point is 02:14:13 get over here and this dude was big. He was like big Mike. And I don't know if he could fight or not, but if he threw his weight around, he could just mow you over. You're not going to, you know, like do anything to him. He's that big.

Starting point is 02:14:26 Yeah. But not mostly big. Anyway, one night, we were in I was straining my wine I always had five gallons under the bed and you know if if I was pulling a batch one batch was was brewing and because they let us drink there the the uh the captains award everyone let us drink as long as we kept it cool in the yard and that was another thing why everyone tried to keep it cool because everybody drank right like I I've been to the main line before

Starting point is 02:14:51 with a bottle in my pocket my shirt unbuttoned because you know you have to be buttoned and tucked in right my shirt on button the tank top drunk as hell walking through the line going hey act like I'm running for governor, you know, shaking everyone's hand at the tables. Because the line to get to get the chow is like everyone's tables. You know, all the gangs, whites, blacks, you know, Mexicans. I'm like, hey, Pedro, what's up, man? They're like, oh, Casper, you're drunk as. I was like, yeah, man, I'm driving.

Starting point is 02:15:14 In my shower shoes at Mainline. Okay. Sheaking everyone's hand. Anyway, I hear it. Yeah, bro. I'm like, why, I turn around? He's like, here is the warden. I was like, what's up, man?

Starting point is 02:15:26 He's like, get back to your unit. Mm-hmm. get back to you know it's like man i'm good war it's like yard bro get back to your unit captain's like grabs me him and another cop take me the unit he's like what the f f you thinking dude you're putting me on blast now and i was right you know what i mean because that makes you know the captain look bad you know he's not got control over it so anyways they walk back to you know you're staying yourself for the rest of the day so i did and then real quick let me tell this story before we get to the next prison there was one time i was uh kind of like bulldog and

Starting point is 02:15:59 this dude for his pills for oxycontin's and the uh the case manager didn't like him so the case manager's like yeah take him for everything the case manager just telling me that because the dude's mom was calling senators about the way he was being treated at the prison right so he was creating a problem for them so the case manager was like no hey take care of this dude you know they they wanted me to smash him and i was like no no no i'm just going to take his shoes like yeah take him take his pills so i was down there doing that. Well, his cellie was like, no, I'm getting these pills. And he was this little old man. And I was like, no, these are my pills full. This is my unit, my yard, my pills. And he's like, not this time. Man, it's this time. So I took the pills out of his hand and went back up to the cell.

Starting point is 02:16:44 And I said, you know what? But before I went back to society, I said, you know what? You got to go, bro. Both of you. You're gone. Pack your shit. And they're just like, I'm not going anywhere. I was like, when I come back from Chowell, you better be gone, dude. So I go to Chowl. It's chilly dog day. I remember it like it was yesterday. I'm down there. I'm happy.

Starting point is 02:17:06 It's chilly dogs. You know, I'm like, yeah, I'm eating it. I'm talking to everybody and tell them about what just happened. And I feel a tap on my shoulder. And I just feel hot water in my face. And then I feel like the lightest punch in the world. It was like light, bro. I get up and I'm just like,

Starting point is 02:17:28 and I just beat the brakes off the old man. I had to beat up the old man. Dude, everyone's like, yeah, you beat up the old man. I was like, he threw hot water in my face. Right. But anyway,

Starting point is 02:17:39 I saw all the bitch comes out of me, right, when he throws the water on my face, not in front of everybody, but when I get to medical, I was like, is my face melting? Because the dude just has his face melted off.

Starting point is 02:17:48 Right. I was like, do I still look okay? I mean, I know I'm ugly, but do I still look okay? And the, the nurse,

Starting point is 02:17:56 she's like, she starts, He's like, bro, you're fine. You're barely burned. You're like, it's just like a little red. Are you really? Okay, okay. I was like so worried.

Starting point is 02:18:08 He just like took water out of the 190 or the 180 spout. You know what I mean? And like threw it on me and like tried to punch me. But he did what he was supposed to do. I didn't smash him off the yard. Right. If you tell me to go, I'm not going to go. I'm going to fight.

Starting point is 02:18:23 And so the old man had tons of heart in my eyes for doing that. Does that make sense? Yeah. So he's like, I was like, man, I was proud of him for real. But he had to go. And so when I come back out, of course, everyone's giving me shit. Oh, yeah, you kick the shit out of that, dude, bro. You guys 80 years old.

Starting point is 02:18:46 Yeah. And I was like, man, you're trying to fight, you know? And so, yeah. Yeah. Dude, it was crazy. It was crazy. Yeah, not good, though. Yeah, even the warden, the warden tried to tell me he had a heart attack and died,

Starting point is 02:19:02 but the captain was behind him going, no, he did. He's fine. He's in the shoe. He's in the shoe, bro. Yeah. But, you know, when I went to the shoe, I walked to tank a cage with him, and I just told, man, you did what you're supposed to, man. I apologize. Right.

Starting point is 02:19:17 I was just in some junkie shit, you know. But I told him about his cellie being a piece of shit, his mom, calling and everything. But, you know, I shouldn't have been on the cop side with that anyway. But I wanted the pills. I'm an addict. Right. So anyway, real quick, one other quick story about there before we get to the next five, before I finished the mic story, one time I was going to get my eyebrows tattooed.

Starting point is 02:19:40 I was going to get drug, drug-free tattooed them out for eyebrows. And so I had, I drew him out. I did a stencil, you know, I had stencil paper. I did the stencil, and it was just like blue. And my buddy Danny, you know, my best friend, he comes, mobbing into the tank to give me something. I can't remember what it was. He's like, what the hell are you doing?

Starting point is 02:20:00 Yeah. I was like, man, I'm going to get drug free on there. I had it backwards so when I looked in the mirror, I could read it. Yeah. And obviously, I didn't get it. Danny's like, the fuck you are. You're not getting shit, dude. That's going to be gay.

Starting point is 02:20:13 You're going to be stupid. Right. Don't get those stupid tattoos. I was like, really? Is it dumb? Because I had just kicked. You know, I just got, was sick for a couple days and made it, you know? So I was sober.

Starting point is 02:20:24 And I was like, I'm never going to do that again. I'm going to remind myself every day with drug free. my eyebrows, idiot, straight, tarred life. Right. Do you know what I mean? That really should be in the title. Tard life? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:20:38 Yeah. We used to really some white, some white trash font. And get tired life on the thumbnail, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. My hands going like, anyway. Yeah. So, but that's not the funny part.

Starting point is 02:20:54 So, like, they call chow dinner. And so like I try to wash them off But like I have like you know I shaved my eyebrows to do it And so like now I have these smears of like purple on my eyebrows and we go to chow I'm not thinking anything of it It's like your eyeliner's running yeah We get to chow and there's like a white supremac table and like we're all sitting down there at the front And I'm sitting there eating talking to everybody

Starting point is 02:21:21 And Danny's like kitty corner from me and I'm talking this fool I'm like, yeah, man, make sure you get that tonight. Hey, meet me at the library and bring the stamps and the copycards. Stuff like that. You know, it's talking. And we get up to go and Danny Walker has his up with me. He's like, bro, he's like, you're an idiot, dude. I was like, what?

Starting point is 02:21:40 He's like, you got these fools so scared to you that you just went down to the chow hall with purple eyebrows. Right. And not one of those fools said, hey, man, what's up with your eyebrows? Hey, dude, what the hell's going off with your eyebrows? Not one of them said anything So you're just an idiot You know what I mean? So I was like

Starting point is 02:22:00 Damn, that is crazy Because I would say something like Yeah You do with your eyebrows But anyway So anyway back to Big Mike Big Mike gets drunk in the cell We're locked down for the night

Starting point is 02:22:13 But our cells If you put a double A battery in the door You could pop them open at night And go to like other cells And hang out do whatever And the cop didn't really care This is after lockdown account. Well, we would always do that.

Starting point is 02:22:28 Big Mike was getting drunk. And the guy who cleaned the night orderly or poor, whatever we called him, Swamper or whatever, he told dude like, hey, keep it down, man. That cop's going to, you, I'm doing something. He was doing some kind of move. Mike's like, what? You punk?

Starting point is 02:22:46 And just starts yelling at this dude. Now, this dude's got life. And he's a big dude. and he and he's like the coolest, nicest guy in the world. He's one of those black dudes that are just like, uh,

Starting point is 02:22:58 it doesn't have to be even color. It's just one of those people that would give the shirt off his back. Right. You know what I mean? He was just asking you to politely to keep it down. He wasn't being a jerk. Yeah,

Starting point is 02:23:08 he's trying to protect him. Anyway, dude's like, yeah, yeah, well, dude gets pissed. And he goes to open our door because he knows we used to keep it open,

Starting point is 02:23:17 but Mike had locked it. And, uh, I was like, oh, bitched. The bitch. And so they get in a screaming match to the door. And he was like, no, no, no, no. That's all right.

Starting point is 02:23:28 The only thing that's saving you right now is this door. We don't have to talk no more. So now when we come out, it's, it's ding ding, right? Mike just gets louder and louder and drunker and drunker starts drinking my wine. He drank a gallon of good wine. It's like really good. Like that beet wine made out of beats. It's like the best wine you can make.

Starting point is 02:23:49 Two pounds of sugar on every pound. every gallon and so he's Loudron and Loudera of course eventually the cop comes up The cop gives him a warning Dude my whole room

Starting point is 02:24:00 This got spilt wine Him drunk And the cop gives him warning Hey hey Shut it down Are you you're Now you're fronting me off Go to bed

Starting point is 02:24:08 And Mike's like You know I ain't doing shit He's basically checking in Do you know what I mean? Yeah yeah Yeah he's checking in He's Telling that cop

Starting point is 02:24:19 I'll fight you You know, all this shit, cop locks him up. When he packs his shit, I'm like, well, I'm keeping those shoes because he owes me money for this wine. Right. Right. So they pack his shit. And he's checked in. He's not coming back out.

Starting point is 02:24:33 Dude's back there for like nine months. And Sammy, like in the middle of that said, hey, man, did you grab Mike's Nike's or whatever they were? And I said, no. Right. It was the single most biggest prison mistake I ever made. even afterwards all the dumb shit I did and stupid shit I did, lying to that man was the worst thing I ever did. Because for real, there's nothing worse than a liar

Starting point is 02:25:01 and there's nothing worse than a jailhouse thief. Right. You know what I mean? Not that I stole it. I don't think I was a jailhouse thief. You felt obligated or not obligated, but you felt justified in taking it. He owed me money. And I should have said that.

Starting point is 02:25:16 I don't know why I didn't say that. I just would like, no. Right. And he was like, you sure? I was like, nope. He's like, all right, man, cool. Took off. Now they think someone in R&D or whoever, you know, wherever the property guy at the shoe, you know, who handles the property, thinks they stole it, whatever.

Starting point is 02:25:32 So they're going to go hand him up. He asked me, did I pack them? Right. And I said, yeah. So now the only place they could be is in the property in the shoe. Lo and behold, the guy who I sold him to is still in the yard, this little Mexican guy. and now somebody sees him and OG Ed the black dude who pulled me in my first day he called me in and this dude you know he's giving me books he helped me out you know what I mean

Starting point is 02:26:01 we were we were solid and cool and uh he pulled me and he's like man you sure you didn't take those shoes man you're cool you know we're good and I said no again right that was my that was my whatever it is you know like my I can't be there no more, you know? And so anyway, so they find the shoes. I'm trying to think of a good word for what that was. Like, not my, not my, whatever, you know. It's just like I just signed my, not death warrant, but just my.

Starting point is 02:26:37 Yeah. My privileges, my Tara Hut privileges. I just lost them all. Yeah, they got yanked. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, they're investigating it kind of, but they see dude with the shoes. shoes.

Starting point is 02:26:50 They get the shoes. Of course, he's like, I bought him from Casper. Right, which they already thought was possible. But yeah.

Starting point is 02:26:57 Yeah. The reason why they have asked me like three times wanted to like give me an out, you know, I know that's what Ed was doing. Just tell me, now we're good. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:27:06 And I'll smooth it over. What he said went. And, uh, yeah. So they find out they, they go politic with my guys without me. Like at the,

Starting point is 02:27:19 at the gym. Yeah. So my guys come back out and they say, hey, next move, let's go out. We're going out to the yard. I said, am I good? And it's like, yeah, yeah, you're good. Now, you've heard of rocking them to sleep, right? Hey, bro, like I've seen your paperwork, but you're just like, hey, man, come out to the yard, brother.

Starting point is 02:27:37 Yeah, yeah. You know, just we were rocking him to sleep. Watch what I thought was happening. They were rocking me to sleep. But I'm going to go out this one time, right? Because it was Danny is my best friend. Right. He would tell me.

Starting point is 02:27:48 man, we got to smash you. Yeah, you would think he would tell you. Yeah, I would think he would tell me. So what was happening? That wasn't the case. They just wanted me to get a violation in front of everybody, just body shots. Because I told him, he owed me money. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:28:04 But my violations, I lied. Right. Yeah, I wasn't lying about the yielded money. Right. And that was good for them. Why didn't you say that? I don't know. And now I kind of look like a bitch.

Starting point is 02:28:14 You know what I mean? Right. You're saying it. But whatever. So I'm like, I don't want to take body shots. You know how many times I've given people body shots? A lot. Right.

Starting point is 02:28:26 You know? And there's this dude, T.C. Corbyn, he's like, man, I'm going to dig in on you, bro, for all the time you got me, bro. You know, and he's got big hands, dude. They're like this, bro. Big hands. He's a little stocky dude. T.C. Corbyn, man, it's a good-ass dude.

Starting point is 02:28:43 Good ass dude. He's like, I'm scared. digging on you and I was like what I'm gonna do you he said I owe you I was like damn but you know we're all laughing about yeah I'm pretending not to be scared you know yeah man yeah because I can't fight back right I know I can beat up dude but I can't fight back in my violation right I just got like take it I don't want to take it right so we're like setting a time and place and I don't show up to the first one you know

Starting point is 02:29:15 Oh, dude, man, do you call me down to the other unit. I had to go down and pick up my e. I totally forgot about it. I don't show up to the second one. I think you forgot about it. Was that today? Yeah. Yeah, was that today?

Starting point is 02:29:26 They forgot about it. But like a lot of stuff had happened, you know, over my time there. I was there for a few years. A lot of stuff had happened. I was tired. I didn't want to be involved anymore. You know where I'm headed with this. You checked in.

Starting point is 02:29:41 I'm laughing, dude. You're funny? Excuse me, Lieutenant. Can I talk to you real quick? Hey, this shit ain't funny, man. Yeah. Not feeling in here anymore. Yeah, can I get a plane ticket?

Starting point is 02:29:57 I didn't want to. You know what I mean? Right. But so, like, I had this big knife. And I was like, man, I'm just going to give him this knife, you know? And I told one of my guys, I was like, man, I don't want body shots, dude. I'm tired of being here. And dude's like, yeah, I understand, bro.

Starting point is 02:30:12 And that was like my pass. He didn't do with nobody, you know? Yeah. But I told him, you know. He's like, dude, I would do the same thing. Dude, why wouldn't you? Yeah, you've been here a long time. We've been through all this shit.

Starting point is 02:30:24 You were using. You were sober. You're using it. And I was sober at this time, not from alcohol, but from, you know, the bad shit. And sure enough, man, we woke up in the morning. And I was supposed to meet them at the thing. And I was like, man, man, I got this knife to the cop. And the cop's like, oh, all right, cool, thanks, man.

Starting point is 02:30:43 Like, sits on the desk. No, no, no. That's not what we're going for here. No. I'm getting busted with this knife. And it was like, it was like I broke his heart. Because, you know, I'm cool with all of them, you know. And I've been there a long time.

Starting point is 02:31:01 And, you know, we're all buddies, really. He thought you were better than the pen. Yeah. He thought, uh, you're better than that. He thought I was better than that. And I don't want to start crying right now, dude. No. I'm just kidding.

Starting point is 02:31:14 Listen, I had a buddy who went into, this was the medium. He had been to, he did like 10 years in the pen, and he went to the medium one day. And he goes, there's a counselor. He goes, can I talk to you? And she's like, and I'm sorry, I was a guy counselor. And he goes, yeah, this is a big guy. I mean, six plus. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:31:34 And big black guy. And he goes in to talk to the counselor. And he goes, hey, man, can I talk to you for him? He's, hey, what's up? He said, I need you to, I need to call somebody. And he goes, who's that? He said, he said, U.S. attorney. And he gives him the phone number.

Starting point is 02:31:48 And he goes, he's like, and he goes, really? And he said, okay. He goes, and does he know your calling? He said, yeah, you knows I'm calling. I got a letter yesterday. And here's the letter. He showed it. And he's like, okay.

Starting point is 02:31:59 So he calls the U.S. attorney. Somehow or another was arranged like that where he actually made the call. And he's on the phone talking about how he had gotten information from a guy on the street. And it wasn't his U.S. attorney. It was, no, actually I think it was his U.S. attorney. Got in the call from somebody on the street, blah, blah, to talk to the guy or, you know, got some information,

Starting point is 02:32:20 giving it to him. And he's trying to get somebody on the street busted so he can get a rule 35 and get his time. And he sits at and he, uh, he hangs up the phone. He said, and he was telling me, he's telling me and my buddy. He's telling me and Zach, my buddy Zach this. Yeah, yeah. This is what he had done. And, uh, he said, and we were walking at the yard.

Starting point is 02:32:39 And he said, he, man, that, the counselor, whatever his name was. He was, he looked at me and went, like, just shook his head. And he goes, what? He goes, you thought I was a soldier? He's got the fuck out of here. Yeah. And the guy, he just looked at him.

Starting point is 02:32:55 He goes, to get out of here. But he said, I want to go home. And he goes, he said, just go. Yeah. We were laughing so hard that you did not tell me what, you thought of a soldier? That's dope. He said, I did. That's gangster, for real.

Starting point is 02:33:09 He fuck, it was laughing. He's like, he's like, bro. he said, I've never felt so bad in my life. He said, just the counselor looking at me, the way he looked at me. Like, he's like, you don't, you go home. Like, yeah. I wish I could, I wish I had enough snap at that time to come off with something like that. But instead, I was like, I was like, my feelings were hurt, you know, like, or I, you know, it's just one of those things.

Starting point is 02:33:34 Later, when I was on probation, I had to tell my P.O. I had relapsed. And I could see, because she was like, hey, how's it going? She was doing a house check. I told her and like her whole faces went and I was like oh man. Listen, the federal, um, the, listen, I had one federal PO who most of the time I felt like she wanted to violate me, you know, but most of them don't, but the other ones don't. They want to see you do good. As a matter of fact, when I, they give you three chances and then go to the judge.

Starting point is 02:34:06 Yeah. Well, I, when I, this one PO, when I told her that I was, wanted to. to date my wife and we had to have our P.O. We'd call our P.O. They had to call. Yeah, we had to call. And I remember when she said, okay, I was like, I was like, man, I was, I was worried, a little bit worried there. And she said, she said, Matt, she said, what do you think I want you to be alone? Yeah. She said, I want to see you do well. I want to see you find somebody. She's, I want to see you, you know, she said, I know you don't think that. Yeah. Because she was a bitch. Yeah. But she's like, but I want to see you do well. And a lot of stuff was like, she wanted me to

Starting point is 02:34:41 a job but I didn't want to get a job. I don't want to get a regular job, you know. Yeah. But she her, but in her to her getting a regular W-2 job is safe and secure. And I'm saying, no, no, I want to do this. And she's thinking, that's risky. What if something goes wrong? Sure. You know, so I get it. You know, like I get it. She's trying to go the safe route. Yeah. And they have a formula, you know. Right. Which I didn't fit in. Right. So I get it. Yeah. Yeah. And to be honest, and not to just like, ride the same horse. I didn't fit in that either.

Starting point is 02:35:15 Like, it was hard for me to tattoo. Yeah. Because that formula works. It just didn't work for me. But most of the time it worked. It would have worked for me if I'd follow that formula. I just thought my formula is better. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:35:25 So I was, I'm not saying their formulas wrong. It just wasn't right for me. Absolutely. Absolutely. Just like with that. There's many past recovery and success. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:35:33 Yeah. So, what part was I at? You were, you checked in. When this shit. Or we used to skip over that. We're not talking about that anymore. We already admitted to that, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 02:35:46 That was the past. Yeah. Why are you always bringing up the past? Yeah, this is out in the world forever. No. Yeah, so I handed him the knife. He was heartbroken. I was, what are you trying to put me for?

Starting point is 02:36:00 They take me to the shoe. And then, of course, like, the windows, if you go to, if you go to R&D, or if you get, like, mail down in the mail room, you can walk by all the windows of the shoe. shoe. So like if, you know, I can talk to people in the shoe all the time. If I need to talk to someone, hey, I need to go to the mail room. And they open the door and let me go to the mail room. But really, I'm just going to have to talk to Billy Joel and, you know, Bobby Sue. Right. Right. And are they, are they going to ship you? You can't, you can't just find

Starting point is 02:36:26 all the info. Right. And, of course, they put me in a cell right there, you know, and all of my guys came down to the window. You know, and I can't just hide. Right. I just got to stand in the window and with my head down, you know. But everyone understood. They did. They really didn't understand. And this might make me cry. I don't want to cry, dude. It's all right. I cry at least twice a week. They understand. Oh, dude. I cry all the time, dude. My daughter, when she, her little mind at work, when I see things, she just started kindergarten, her new little independence. I get her ready for school, take her to school and when she jumps out of my truck, bye, Daddy, love you, Daddy. I bawled for the first five days.

Starting point is 02:37:13 I bawled. Yeah. Anyway, they have my back, man. Right. Even then, you know, they're like, dude, you're good. Get out of here. You need to get out. We know you need to get out of here.

Starting point is 02:37:27 This place sucks for you now. Right. And, you know, it's just because I was burnt out, you know, you know what I mean? Of being there. It's hard to be someone you're not. for so long. It's like someone faking a certain voice style, like a singer. They can only fake that voice for so long, like an tribute band.

Starting point is 02:37:46 I don't know I went there with that. But terrible analogy. It almost convoluted. But yeah, yeah, it's a trip. So, yeah, so I went to the shoe. They just parallel shit me. You know, I didn't have to go up in my score or anything, which was awesome. Because I'm right there with all my right.

Starting point is 02:38:08 ups and everything. I'm right at like a 24 and I think 25 is pen or I think maybe 24 is pen now or it just depends anyway. But I thought I could get a management variable if I did because it's you know I checked in. You know, I took in the pen. But anyway, so they sent me to Phoenix, Arizona. I went there, had a blast. When I went there, I went under Captain's Review again. Same thing. You know, are you going to have any SIS came to talk to me that time though? And he was a pretty serious dude. He was the gang coordinator for that entire West Coast area. So, like, he's almost like an FBI agent.

Starting point is 02:38:47 Right. Yeah. But his office is at that prison. That's where the cheese factory is, too, is the prison where I was at. We're, like, Sammy the Bull, all those, like, high-profile rats. Right. They were in that, this little building with that has a, over their yard, there's a bulletproof sale. It's bulletproof.

Starting point is 02:39:07 because there's a hill where you could snip them. Right. So they had to put this bulletproof sale over their yard where they work out and walk the yard. The cheese factory. Yeah, they call it the cheese factory. Yeah. Because they're all rat. I didn't get it.

Starting point is 02:39:20 I didn't catch it right away. Okay. I didn't catch it right away. And that's what everyone calls it. I was like, she didn't they make cheese there? Is there a unicorn? Was that the unicorn? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:39:28 I didn't know they made cheese. Yeah. Must have been a lot of cheese on the compound? Yeah. I was a clerk at unicorn for a long time. And yeah, I got fired. because I had a computer and I was making a card so people could go to Chow early as a diabetic. I was making diabetic cards, the little yellow cards.

Starting point is 02:39:47 And yeah. I had, I actually did, we had, I had access to a computer and they, Zach did his legal work on it. And they found out. Is he saving stuff on it? Yeah. Oh, shit. You can't save anything. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:40:04 So. Yeah, because the. Yeah, from SMS was like a server like scanner, you know, scan. Yeah. It's got the same. There's a ghost image and that ghost image has to be the same every time it scans. Yeah, for some reason, my computer allowed me to save because I was doing resumes for people. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:40:26 And mine let me save one day. We were going to show. Oh, yeah, it wasn't in the policy. Yeah, one day. Been in the policy. Yeah. But we were going to chow and Zach goes. he said, hey, you need to finish that up because, you know, we're going to go to Chau.

Starting point is 02:40:39 I said, no, I'll just save it. And he goes, you can't save. And I go, no, I save stuff all the time. I got all these things saved. He goes, your computer lets you save? I was like, yeah, look. I was pulled up a bunch of other ones. I said, I can save?

Starting point is 02:40:49 Right, click save. And he was like, really? Can I do my legal work on here? Would you mind if you want to? Not thinking much of it. Seems benign. Yeah, seem benign. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:40:59 Until they call you in and they tell you, how did you hack the system? Hack the system. My hacker? What are you talking? It would be pretty easy to change that policy and the policy editor, but I mean, we really don't. I didn't. I just let me save. I didn't know.

Starting point is 02:41:13 Yeah. And Zach's didn't. So he started doing illegal work. Got some out another got caught. Yeah. And then, you know, I got in trouble. He got in trouble. Phoenix was, uh, was interesting.

Starting point is 02:41:24 It, it was no politics there, which I thought, everything I heard was Phoenix is, uh, it's, it was a no holds barred yard. Uh, you know, they're, the gangs like the, the, the, uh, the, It's a south side yard, but it's a medium. And I just thought it was going to be crazy there. So I got there thinking, I'm just going to have to turn it on, you know what I mean? Just turn on, you know, hard number and not, you know, soft number. Right. And, dude, I get there.

Starting point is 02:41:54 SIS comes and talks to me. Captain comes talks to me. And they're just like, okay, yeah, just don't be, they didn't want me to group people. That was the biggest thing. Don't group, you know. You can't walk more than two or three at a time on the yard, you know, together in a group. Right. And, man, sure enough, man, the first month I was there, they lock me up.

Starting point is 02:42:17 And SIS, the head guy for that whole region, Fini, that was his name, SIS Fini. And he was like this little scrawny, like real nerdy guy. It looks like he got picked on in school, one of those type guys. And he presented himself, like, like, I'm going to get you because you got me in school. That was his whole vibe. And so anyway, it was, it was super chill. But yeah, but they locked me up. And because someone had said that I was recruiting.

Starting point is 02:42:47 Right. Like, don't recruit in prison in general. That's not, it's, that's more street stuff. Right. They can. And like, you know, I kind of was, you know, with those guys in Seattle. But it, it's not really what we do. Right.

Starting point is 02:43:05 Right. Or what we did or what I'm not anymore or really ever was in my heart. But. So it locked you up. Yeah. So they locked me up. And they said I was grouping up people. There was an NLR guy there. Have you ever met any NLR guys?

Starting point is 02:43:23 What is that? Lowrider. No. It's like a huge gang in California. Like they're killers. They, you have to be one. And there was an NLR guy there. But he was super chill.

Starting point is 02:43:34 And, you know, he can't. He kind of, he didn't swing off my nuts, but he was just like kind of, you know, yeah, let's go to the yard, bro. Like, like, yeah, you're trying to kind of click up with you. Yeah. But, and so whoever wrote that kite or dropped that kite. Trying to get you off the yard or get you off the yard. Get you in trouble. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:43:54 And I was, man, I hadn't intimidated anybody. Like, I was just, like, I was truly just being me. Um, but, you know, I was telling white boys to pull their pants up, shit like that because, you know, dude was sag in. And yeah, so that happened. I was like, no, that ain't happening. They investigated it for a few days and let me back out. And I never really had any problems with them through my whole thing, except for one time I was making some wine and someone told on it. It was like no, absolutely no wine.

Starting point is 02:44:23 Like they would ship you even if they found like a bottle that smelled like wine. So, but that was the only other time they messed with me until I had a phone sent in. So I worked in in industries. And what did they call it again? Facilities. Facilities, but there's like three letters. Unicorn? No.

Starting point is 02:44:44 CLM. CMS. CMS? Is that what it? CMS? What is it? I don't know. Anyway.

Starting point is 02:44:51 Sounds familiar. So I worked in there as an electrician. I would go like if a light went out in the kitchen, I'd push my card in and, you know, fix the light, you know, fix whatever. But I was really, I was got in really good. with my boss. And so whenever we would order parts for like a washing machine or something, it would come in with, you know, in a box, and it had a label. So I sent that label out to somebody told him to recreate that label and mail me in a phone. And so I did that. But there was another guy that worked in there with me. And he got the package before I did. I didn't go to work that

Starting point is 02:45:29 day for some reason. I care. I think it was to see the dentist or something. And, um, He got it before me and I was like, hey, what happened to the package? And he denied having it. But he told everyone in his unit he had it. First of all, why would you tell everybody? So I had to go hem him up, but he had already told everyone. So someone in his unit already told SIS. So now SIS is looking for this phone.

Starting point is 02:45:54 So I go ham him, him up and he wants $1,000 to give me my phone. Right? And his name was Bill. he had bad legs and he would have seizures in the middle of the yard and he had crutches but he worked back there with us and he wants a thousand dollars yeah just take your beat you with your crutch yeah what he doing but he but he was in the hat though with with with the abs um so he was hiding out there in that yard and you know what in the hat means you know he's got a hit on oh okay yeah um that's what the black hand and the ab's call you know if they

Starting point is 02:46:26 got a hit it's called in the hat so he was in the hat with the abs and uh and we all knew it So don't be tough, but I guess he tried to blow somebody up that was, I don't know, this on the streets. Like he did some, like, crazy shit and got caught with some explosives or something. And they're not letting him fly on commercial airplanes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm assuming he's on a list somewhere.

Starting point is 02:46:49 Yeah. And so anyway, I told him, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to go search yourself and find it. He's like, it's not in my cell. and it was in back at the thing. Anyway, someone told they came and searched work and our units, and they found the phone at work. So he said that I had it mailed in,

Starting point is 02:47:16 even though they found it in his little area. So they locked me up. What? Yeah. This dude was a, this dude told on everything, though, the guy with the crutches. Yeah, yeah. He was a teller, too. So they would believe him.

Starting point is 02:47:30 And they used him to get information from the yard. And we already knew that, but we just let it, you know, as long as it wasn't affecting us and whatever we were doing. And so they lock me up. And they search all my stuff. They're looking for the SIM card. Sim card wasn't in it in the phone. So they're looking for the SIM card. I don't know where it's out.

Starting point is 02:47:53 I never had it. Right. So I go out to the rec yard, you know, in the cage for my hour out. And when I come back, dude, my whole cell is just trashed. I just got a care package from the guys in the yard. You know, they sent me some romans, chocolate, you know, just chips, everything. Everything I would need romans. And I had that all, you know, just like, you know, tucked away and, you know, organized in the shoe.

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Starting point is 02:50:02 So when, so I turn around, you know, I have the cups on. I wish I could demonstrate. But I turn around and I, and I was like, all right. I'm already screaming. Like, are you? Like, are you? Okay. I was like, no, man, you tore all my shit, broke my glasses.

Starting point is 02:50:17 I think one of my headphones was broke and that seemed intentional. Right. So I'm like, all right, man, I got you. He was like, and he goes, are you going to give me the cuffs? And I wasn't even thinking of that. Right. I was like, yeah, I'm going to give you the cuffs. Take these stuff off me.

Starting point is 02:50:30 As soon as he got one off, I pulled. And it pulled the chain. Dude, you know, he's like, okay. And the key was stuck in the other cuff. And I pulled his chain, his keys, his whole chain and belt. And he was like reaching in, doing it. And I just like was punching his hand while I broke his wrist. Dude.

Starting point is 02:50:54 I just, I couldn't. believe it man i broke his wrist took the keys the chain i had everything i had all the keys on his on his key on his key belt and i'm like oh my god what did i do in my head and i'm just like yeah that's right come on in and get these keys i'm just screaming and one of the cool cops that worked back there who whenever he would take my tattoo machine away he would always give it back right um he was working back there and i would you know he's always like kind of like you know i said earlier cool it's be veil man relax, relax. He came, he came to the window and he just went like this, like that, like you're crashing, bro. You have the keys. This is a big deal. It's not like, you know, having just

Starting point is 02:51:34 the cuffs or whatever, it's a big deal, but I wasn't giving them back. I wasn't giving it. I was going to try to flush him and just like, what key, you know, but I decided to mask up, you know, with a wet towel over my head. You're going to have to come and get him. I put my mattress up against the door. Had the keys. This is a weapon. So bad. Yeah. This is just like you just,

Starting point is 02:51:55 dude. Give him the keys back. If I could take it all back, I would have. If I could take it all back, I would. Right. Because from the keys back.

Starting point is 02:52:03 Yeah, I don't know why I just couldn't, man. I was just in my head and I was so angry. And because I didn't have it. You know, I never got the phone. And I, and it's,

Starting point is 02:52:15 it's on me. That they're charging me with it. You know, you can get five years for a phone. Right. You know, if they prosecuted. never did. So I peek out the thing and it's another guy who was an officer there. He's now a

Starting point is 02:52:29 Las Vegas cop. He works as a street cop in Vegas because a white supremacist was in the military was, I've been a cop. So he was always cool with me, you know, because he thought I was, you know, one of them and I can't remember his name. But he comes in one, he's the cameraman. Right. And so I just call out his name. All right, mother. I want you first. You come in here first. I got you, you know? And he's like, do, you know, he's like giving me these faces.

Starting point is 02:53:00 Right. I'm just like, and they put the thing back up. Of course, they come in. They try to throw in those, those, they're like beads, but they're pepper bombs. And they try to do that. Like they stick, first they stick on electric cattle prod. You know, like a back, a zapper through the hatch to push the mattress away. And I'm holding it for a single.

Starting point is 02:53:22 see the catapal problem's like oh i'm out of here so i get the bunks there were like there was one like like on the ground and there was like one like just this high it was a weird setup so the top bunk was only this high so i'm standing on the bunk with my mask and the keys i'm like come on and get it you know so like as soon as they come in i'm just diving and i'm ready dude i'm ready for him and um and so like it happened man oh wait i forgot i stuck my sandal so you can lock those doors so when they go to unlock it with the key, you can't turn it because there's so much pressure pushing on the lock. So you got to ram your shower slide in there.

Starting point is 02:54:01 So I jam my shower slide in there. So like for them to get the lock open, they're going to have to like get like a ranch or something so they can have leverage to turn that, you know, the big old skeleton key. Like they're huge. And so it took a long time for them to get the door open, but they finally did. I don't know how they did it, but they had to go get something. and they come in, dude, and I just jump. And I had shampoo all over the floor. So if they came in, they would slip and slide.

Starting point is 02:54:29 They didn't really slip and slide. In theory, it was, you know, but, you know, I only had like six little bottles of shampoo, you know, shoe shampoo. And so I, like, threw that on the ground and tried to get it slippery. But they just came right in. And I jumped. And, you know, they wrestled me around. They didn't beat me up or anything.

Starting point is 02:54:46 You know, most guys would be like, oh, yeah, they beat the shit on. They didn't beat me up at all. They're just like, man, what are you doing? And I was like, man, you guys tore my room. He broke my glasses. You know, what's it got to do, you know? But I got a lot of write-ups for that. And I thought they were going to charge me for the assault and the officer.

Starting point is 02:55:02 But he said, no, he's good. He just, he understands. And he was one of, like, the really, like, meek guys, you know, like, he just came to do his job, you know? He never tried to bust you, but he never really tried to, like, talk to you either. And, yeah, he was super cool, man. He was kind of a fat guy. He was super cool. I was trying to remember his name too.

Starting point is 02:55:25 But yeah. And so, of course, they're going to shit me. They're going to shit me anyway because of the phone. So I'm back there for a long time with these cockroaches, like a long time. One time they came in and sprayed for them, but they had us clean them up. And it was literally taking a dustpan and like sweeping them in like piles of cockroaches. I mean piles. These walls were all metal.

Starting point is 02:55:53 Like they were metal walls that had cracks in between where the seams were. And these metal panels were like as big as like plywood, you know, four by eight. And so they were just like they were living back there like crazy. And so we had to clean those up one time. And they ended up shipping me. And they shipped me to, of course, I go to OTC. And then that's how I go to Pollock. Now, I don't know if anyone's ever been on and talked about Pollock, but Pollock is like in the swamp, and it's dark, and it's gloomy, and it feels like death, you know, and I've heard all the stories about Pollock, and, you know, you think some of it's like just folklore made up, you know, exaggerated.

Starting point is 02:56:38 But from my time there, I seen, what, seven years there while I was there, and I was only there for three months. So in the last two months, we got locked down for real. well, I was there on the yard for three months. I was in the shoe for a lot longer. So, and I think I told you that story on the phone, and I'll retell it when I had my paperwork and the guy was above me. And it had the, be okay? The 5K, but I didn't get it.

Starting point is 02:57:07 Oh, yeah. But it was on there. That was the first time I had got my docket sheet ever sent in or seen it. I was just hoping it wasn't going to be there because I didn't get it. Right. You know? It said they're not going to care that you didn't. I didn't get it.

Starting point is 02:57:19 Nah, because you try. Yeah, you know. Yeah. So, you know, and I told the story, you know, like this is what happened. And, you know, so they said, okay, bro, if that's true, we'll let you stay. But you need the, you need the transcripts. Getting the transcripts is hard. It's not like I can just call it.

Starting point is 02:57:38 Hey, hey, bro, will you just print those transcripts off the internet and send them in? It's hard. If they're not already transcribed, which yours, I'm sure weren't. Because then you have to first write, you have to write to get the name of the clerk, right, or the court reporter. Then you have to write the court reporter and ask for them. Then she sends you a letter back and says she wants $1.50 or $275 per page. Or a word. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:58:06 You know, and it's 20 pages. So it's, you know, 30 or 40, 50 bucks. And you're like, fuck. Like this is, you know, then you have to get somebody on the street to mail her cashier's check because they don't want to take a check. Yeah. You know, then she, it's, it's a, it's a month to two months. It's more like a two month process at the minimum. And that's if you have somebody on the street helping you.

Starting point is 02:58:27 Yeah. And that's if you can even get it in because you're not allowed to have them unless you're appealing a case or fighting a case. Oh, yeah. And you need it. And my case was done. I had no appeals. You know, I had no approved law firm to write me, uh, whatever that correspondence is.

Starting point is 02:58:44 Right. So anyway, so many, we, we're at R&D. and we're coming onto the yard. I just kind of jumped ahead a little bit, but I'll just back up just once for a second. When we got to the yard, we're all walking with our, you know, packs or, you know, our laundry bag and our bed rolls.

Starting point is 02:59:04 We don't even have a laundry bag. And working with our bed rolls. And the whole, it's during count, the 4 o'clock count, and the whole prison is pounding on their windows. And it's rumbling. it's like rumbling and like everyone with me there was like six guys with me well there was like 16 guys with me

Starting point is 02:59:25 but the warden came in like hey if you got anything bad don't walk this yard you'll get killed and don't worry these guys are going to find it so just go to the right let the guys who can make it go to the left and he was like I don't care if it's tiny 40 years ago if you were eight years old and you told on your neighbor

Starting point is 02:59:44 you know for whatever these guys are going to find it. Don't walk this yard. Right. But I'm like, I'm good, you know. You're not good. I know, but I feel like I'm okay.

Starting point is 02:59:56 And then those 10 guys peeled off and you thought, you, my God, what's wrong with you guys? Bitches. So, so I, you know, they're pounding on the windows. Everyone's,

Starting point is 03:00:11 you could see the fear in everyone. Everyone's got their head down. But I'm up front. head held high. I'm not showing any weakness. You know, I'm trying to, because I don't know who's looking. I get to the unit. You know, they lock me down. I sell these, cool, hey, what's up, bro? You know, we were waiting for you. You're Sam, right? Yep. He's like, yeah, we know you were coming. One of your homeboys is here. You know, he's excited. You're here. You know, we just need more white boys than the yard, you know, from the west side, west coast, you know, because there was a lot of

Starting point is 03:00:41 ABTs and Aryan Circle there. This is before they had the big beef. before they had to separate them at Florence and Lewisburg. And so, yeah, so anyway, so we come off account. They had just come off lockdown. A kid guy, this little, this, I don't know if he's like 19 or 20, but anyway, they were on lockdown for something else. The kid comes to the yard from R&D, from transport,

Starting point is 03:01:12 comes to the yard, well, they're on a food strike. They're not accepting lunches. This kid doesn't know that. He's in a cell by himself. Doesn't know that. He takes the lunch. Well, this dude, Conan from Oregon, he's like, hey, hey, hey, man. Did you take a lunch down there?

Starting point is 03:01:27 He's like, yeah. He's like, throw it out. He's like, I already ate it. He's like, I'm going to talk to you when he'd get out. Dude, the dude just got there. Right. So I'm yelling down, or no, that's a different thing. So they come off of the thing.

Starting point is 03:01:41 And Conan, like, was walking with him down the stairs. and just pipelines him. And the kid falls back, hits his head, and kills him. Because, you know, the concrete steps that go up and down to the tier, kills him. So they're just coming off lockdown of that. They've been out for like a day or two. So there's a lot of energy. You know, everyone's still trying to like get store and settle debts, you know, and communicate.

Starting point is 03:02:08 And so I get there. So anyway, they knew I was coming. And the dude that said he knew me. I had never met before, but he knew of me. And from one of the guys at Phoenix, they were in Florence, Arizona, not Colorado together. It's like a, what are those called Gia's? One of those Gia prisons, the private ones. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:02:32 But he knew of me. I've stayed at one of those. Have you? Yeah. And he knew of me, but I guess he told them that he knew me. He was just trying to be cool. Like, oh, yeah, I know the big homie. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 03:02:44 I know the big homie. Which is this worked out for you. It did work out for me. Well, for a little bit. And, I mean, it technically did. I didn't check in on that yard. Yeah. The, the, but I, so I had to pretend like I knew him because I'm like, okay, this is working out, you know.

Starting point is 03:03:03 Yeah. I'm like, okay, what was his name? It was a piece of shit. He was a piece of shit because he would run up drug debts and not pay and then we would pay for him. and then we tell me, don't do no more, but the syndicado guys would always front him drugs because they knew we would pay it every time. But anyways, so he's co-signing for me.

Starting point is 03:03:28 No one's asking me for my paperwork. And like an idiot, I'm like, yeah, yeah, you know, whatever. If I need to get my dogged or my sentencing sheet, whatever, I'm thinking they're just going to say my J&C, a judgment commitment, where it just says, It says at the end, it's like page 14. If you have page 14, then something's wrong. If it goes to 13, you're good.

Starting point is 03:03:48 Something like that. It might be 11 to 12, but whatever. So I think they're just going to ask for that. And I know that's good because I didn't get it. Right. That's after sentencing. And the dude's like, you can get your docket? Cool.

Starting point is 03:04:04 One of the ABT dudes. And I was like, I was like, well, yeah, but, you know, I'm good. He's like, no, get your jacket. But, you know, I can't show it. any kind of, because dude's telling themselves all the time. Yeah, yeah. Either their story or their reaction. So I have to like be as smooth as possible.

Starting point is 03:04:20 I was like, yeah, cool, no problem. I said, I'm good, but yeah, cool. And so I get it sent in. And we get the mail and we're locked down. And I'm on the bottom bunk sitting down and I'm reading it. And I see it. Dude, it was like the biggest two numbers letters I've ever seen. He was like, oh shit.

Starting point is 03:04:43 And my bunky was up top, like looking overhead. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, go back there. And I was like, what? And I was like, so I went back on two pages like here. He's like, no, no, no, go forward. And I was like, well, here. I was like, he's like, yeah, is this thing five create one? I was like, yeah, man, that's just, that's nothing.

Starting point is 03:04:59 I didn't get it. You can see, I can show you on my J&C. I have no downward departure at all, not even a little one. And he's like, yeah, but what is it, what does that, what does that mean? And so I just tell him the story. And he's like, oh, man. He's like, well, I hope you can prove that. He's like, I'm not the one to make that decision,

Starting point is 03:05:19 but we'll just tell the guys when we come out. He's like, man, just tell them what happened, and we'll just see what happens. And like, it could go either way. They could be like, oh, yeah, get your trial transcript, but I wasn't even thinking that at that time. Or they can just be like, oh, yeah, cool, man. And then stab me the next move or whatever.

Starting point is 03:05:36 Right. So. Jesus. Or, you know, they could rock me to sleep, you know, just be my friend, be my friend, you know, like, oh, yeah, it's good, wait for your transcript. But they don't care. You know, they could just not wait for the transcript. Just say that so they can get me. Because they can't let me get away.

Starting point is 03:05:55 It's, they're in trouble if they let me get away if I'm bad. So, yeah, they let me get the transcript. So every day I was like kind of waiting for it. But, you know, I'm feeling, I'm waiting for the vibe. because I feel like, and I prove this at Hazleton, I feel like that I can sense that vibe, even if they're rocking me to sleep. Because I've done it and I've seen it, you know?

Starting point is 03:06:19 So anyways, well, on that yard, I start getting high again a little bit here and there, but I don't want to run up a debt because I really don't know these dudes, not like I did at the hut. And I do kind of run up a debt, but I pay it. But, but, uh, what's his name? Kept running up debts and we were paying it. So we finally told these dudes like, look, if you sell them, it's all bad.

Starting point is 03:06:44 We're not paying anymore, right? And if you get any more, we're killing you. It's just what's going to happen. We're going to stab you and hopefully you don't die. And he's like, all right, all right. Oh, I almost had his name because I was thinking of what I was talking to. Anyway, um, he ends up running up a debt with another car. And, uh, we got to get him.

Starting point is 03:07:06 But there's only really me there. And, but at the same time, this other situation came with this guy who, and he was my sally, who had testified on a trial in Texas. And the ABT dude, the head of the ABTs there, sent the paperwork to our unit to, like, a couple of the guys, and I've seen it. And they're like, he's telling us to take care of it. because he was Arian Circle and the dude who was shown to me was Arian Circle, but he was the only one there. Or he might have had another guy there.

Starting point is 03:07:41 And this dude's big, so it's got to be a few guys that go out from. But we all run together, so that kind of includes me because I haven't put any work yet. And I have to put in some work anyway because I'm trying to look good. Right. Because we're waiting for the transcripts. Which I never even tried to get, you know. because I don't have anyone out there. Right.

Starting point is 03:08:04 You know, to do that. So we rock this guy to sleep. We come out on the move. I come up from behind him, grab him, bring him to the ground, and these guys just start kicking his face and pounding his face until they, like, his whole face got smashed in. I never seen it, but, you know, the cops told us, like, yeah, he had to go have, like, all these things screwed and bone and pinned and just like, not reconstructed, but kind of reconstructed.

Starting point is 03:08:29 Yeah. And the whole time he's like, what happened? What happened? What I do? What I do? Like, he didn't know what was going on. And those guys were like screaming, yeah, you did. You were a rat.

Starting point is 03:08:42 And just, I mean, just smashing the dude, man. And it took so long for the cops to get there. And I'm just like holding him. And I'm just like, dude, where are the cops? Come save this dude. Right. And the warden had already told us, too, like, the next time there's blood on.

Starting point is 03:09:01 anyone's boots. Like, if you guys got to get a dude off, good, just smash them off the yard. But the next time there's blood on someone's boots, it's over. We're locking you guys down. We're taking away this, that. So, you know, he's like, dude, what I do? What I do?

Starting point is 03:09:17 You know, he's like, crime. Finally, the cops get there and they tackle us, you know, smash us, handcuff us. And there, there's like around the whole prison, there's like a walkway that goes behind the units like a big tunnel and so they walked i didn't even know it was there and so they walked us all the way around to the shoe and they're like man you guys man there's blood on those boots you know

Starting point is 03:09:42 you guys are hit warden's going to trip we're like to warn you know you know and um stupid inside i'm like going what we do and um so we get to the shoe and you know and dudes yelling down After he comes back from the hospital and, you know, it's like a week or two. He comes back. And we see him come back and I just feel bad, dude. It's not, it's not in my nature. But I'm trying to survive. And I just feel real bad.

Starting point is 03:10:14 And he sends a kite down. You know, he's like, you know, hey, please give me, give me a little bit of respect and tell, tell me why you guys did that. Right. What happened? And my studies like, oh, all right. And he's like, you're a rat. You told him that. Blah, blah, blah.

Starting point is 03:10:32 He knew the name of the dude, you know. And it happened at a car wash and he witnessed it or something. And he was with the guy who did it. And he sends a kite back. And he's like, you guys got it up. I testified for the defense. I didn't testify for the prosecutor. And he's like, I can prove that.

Starting point is 03:10:54 My whole car knows that. like the major and the general of the Aryan circle, they know that, they know that whole story, because they're all from Texas. Yeah. And they're all tight, you know,

Starting point is 03:11:04 Texas, they're one thing about Texas, they're tight, and they all know each other. Anyways, turns out, it's true. Right.

Starting point is 03:11:12 Totally true. And the, that ABT dude just didn't like the dude. Because he was big. Right. He was threatened by him. And he was Aryan Circle. He was an opposite gang.

Starting point is 03:11:23 Wasn't in his gang. wasn't an A-B-T and he did that on purpose and he sacrificed me and those two other dudes to do it because now we're hit right you know because first of all

Starting point is 03:11:39 we listen to another gang it's almost like listen to another race right you know like like you know some Mexican dudes said hey you know go go get that dude here's this paperwork um and all the paperwork said it was that you know he just came there to testify

Starting point is 03:11:54 You know, it was lame. Wasn't specific enough. It wasn't specific enough. And, you know, I tried to apologize. He's like, man, apologies ain't going to do it, man. You know, it is what it is. You guys will get yours, you know. I'm going to go and hold my head high and walk wherever I go.

Starting point is 03:12:13 And so I don't know who did. It wasn't me. It wasn't me this time. But someone's synachia said, hey, we can't come back out. Right. It was a false head. this and that happened. They told the whole thing.

Starting point is 03:12:26 S.S. was crushing me about. I was like, I don't know anything. I was just putting in work, you know. And so they didn't let us back out. They ship us, you know, I'm running there.

Starting point is 03:12:37 Who knows for how long, nine months, 10 months. It was a long time, bro. And, uh, they, we go to Oklahoma.

Starting point is 03:12:44 I run into a, uh, he's kind of a popular ABT dude. Um, big beard. I used to play handball with him in another spot at Tara Hut. anyways I run into him I tell him the whole thing he's like oh man oh man you guys are hit he's like but believe this oh boy's gonna get it you know the the dude who sent us on the on the mission the abt dude

Starting point is 03:13:06 he's gonna get it and uh we're like oh yeah whatever you know who cares yeah that may do anything for me yeah and um so we we get we get to i i get to uh hazelton they send me to hiltan another shitty, violent, crazy yard. And I skipped over the two dudes that got at, another two dudes that got, and we were locked down for a little bit at Pollock. They were two Cuban guys. They were found bound in their box.

Starting point is 03:13:43 But they had a store and they had like thousands of books because they had a ticket to, or they held books of stamps for the ticket. I was something like that. But they had thousands of books, and it was just a cash grab. And we were locked down for a long time for that. And the FBI came and investigated that. And anyway, but that was just something crazy that happened there.

Starting point is 03:14:05 It had nothing to do with me. And so anyway, I get to Hazleton. On the plane to Hazleton, I'm sitting next to this dude named Country. He's dead now. They came in at Big Sandy. But I was with Country, and I'm in there. I'm just like, man, I'm just going to come down there and, you know, do my own thing, man. I'm not even going to represent.

Starting point is 03:14:26 I'm going to be loud and proud. You know, more like this. I'm going to be loud and proud, you know. You know, I ain't going to hide nothing. I'm like, man, I'm seeing hiding it. I'm just going to like just do my own thing. You know, I don't want to like click up with any of this. There I don't know any of them.

Starting point is 03:14:44 I just got burned at this other spot. If there was any Aryan Circle dudes, I'm not going to be able to walk. because there's a separate T. It's not like I'm going to go there and be like, hey, I can't walk here. They're just going to be like, you know, I can't, you know, I can't go. And so I get there and dude, we fall in. There's this dude named Slayer. The dudes that were there were all part of the 420 riot at Florence where those two dudes got

Starting point is 03:15:13 on Hitler's birthday. Do you ever hear about that? No, this was like the biggest, like, like, thing that happened in the in the BOP in a long time. Like, like super long. There might be some stuff on YouTube or somewhere else about it. On Hitler's birthday.

Starting point is 03:15:29 Yeah, 420. Grandpa's birthday. And we all call him Grandpa. Okay. You know, it's stupid. I know. Stupid. My grandma,

Starting point is 03:15:38 Miho, you didn't know Hitler. I knew Hitler, miho. You know, that's my grandma when she's seen the thing. And, um, so, um, So we get there. These dudes are all, you know, like, yeah, we were part of that, you know, blah, blah, blah.

Starting point is 03:15:56 You know, this is the dude that started it. And he was fighting the dude. Basically, what had happened at Florence was that they were all drinking on Hitler's birthday, you know, going, you know, yeah, yeah. You know, Hitler, grandpa's birthday, you know, all you dudes. But they were drunk. And a fight happened. And, you know, there wasn't even supposed to, you know, there's no hands. and the tower, you know, dropped the bombs, and they didn't stop fighting.

Starting point is 03:16:22 And the dude shot the one dude through the chest and both. But the bullet went through the white dude and hit the black dude in the head. And it was just a big deal. It was a big deal. And that was after like kind of like a riotous situation. And one fight started and they all kind of started fighting. and riotous is that even a word i just made that up word smith just shaving away um so we get there they're all tell me that they want me to

Starting point is 03:16:56 read it you know all the paperwork yeah i got to write up for this and that you know i did this during that ride they're just trying to like like show off to me that you know they're super skins and uh these were the kind of they were like uh they weren't beer like a beer he's just like a like a southern kKK guy guys gets drunk, you know, FNs, you know. Right. And these were like, these I thought they were, they were like internet that were in. One of them specifically was the internet.

Starting point is 03:17:26 He was, he was in there for throwing a, a Molotov cocktail in a synagogue or something like that. And, but the other dudes were just like, they were like those, you know, Hollywood is, you know, is all, you know, Jews. And they're trying to, you know, change us all to love the Jews, whatever, you know, whatever. You know, they deny, Holocaust deniers. Right. And, you know, Hollywood's, you know, all bad. And that stuff's just lame to hear. It's like, it makes no sense.

Starting point is 03:17:58 But anyway, they were those kind of guys. And one day, I wasn't there very long. One day, there was a dude that was where I had checked in. And he was like, hmm, something happened with that. him. He wasn't there when it happened, but he was, he knew some, he was there. And then he had heard the story, like, you know, you won't believe, dude, Casper checked in, you know, kind of that type thing. And he was like, no, something happened. I'm going to find out. I find that out later. This is this information I find out later. And so I was feeling that,

Starting point is 03:18:38 you know, because I'm constantly, my feelers are like, these are just going to find out that I did that, because they'll always follow you. I don't know how many times you've seen it or have heard of it, but like you can't hide in the BOP. You can't. You might get lucky for a while, but every time that bus comes to the yard and people walk out of R&D, you're going to, something's going to.

Starting point is 03:19:01 There's a chance that some guy walks in and says. Yep. Yeah. So I was feeling it. They were all of a sudden trying to, to get me to go to the law library one time. Hey, come the law library with this. Come the law library with this.

Starting point is 03:19:18 I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm going to do this tattoo. And they're like, no, no, man. Come to the law library with this. I was like, man, I can't go. They're like, all right, right. Next, next move, just finish the tattoo. And I was tattooing on country.

Starting point is 03:19:32 And so anyway, so we're all just doing the thing. I finished the tattoo. Those guys come back from the law library. And I just feel it, right? the one dude, the internet, he like, he's never done this, puts his arm around me. He's like, man, you come with the Law Library, right? And I just felt it, dude. Right.

Starting point is 03:19:51 They're rocking me to sleep. And he's like, I'm like, yeah, man, yeah. He's like, all right, moves in a few minutes. So I'm like, all right, I'm just going to make a phone call. And he's like, wait, just go to the move, make the call later. I was like, man, can I call my dad, man? He's like, okay, okay. So I go down to the phones, and it's like those, it's like a round concrete thing.

Starting point is 03:20:11 And there's three phones on it. And you, like, sit in this little concrete and talk on the phone. So I'm down there pretending to call. And I have the thing like this, and I'm, like, pretending I'm talking. And I'm watching them out, like, the corner of my eye. I'm watching them. And they're all, they shouldn't have done this because this is what, like, locked it in for me. Like, yeah, I'm checking in.

Starting point is 03:20:34 I'm running. Right. The, there was some black hand dudes there. Like, Batman was there. These are all, like, huge. MA guys that had the black hand on them. They were all there. And those guys had just got a dude.

Starting point is 03:20:49 The dude ran into the cop's cage and they locked the door. Those dudes got in and still with that cop right there got that dude. And like right in front of the cop, the cop just let it happen. So I knew these guys were going to try to show that up. Right. You know, they just stabbed a dude from war. That's a Nevada gang. They just stabbed to do it from war, like just stabbed him in the neck a bunch of times.

Starting point is 03:21:11 So I know if it's coming, it's going. going to come hard and fast and I'm not getting hit. And dude, there was a move and I was pretending to be on the phone. And when I seen the door start to shut, I like timed it. And I just ran for the door, dude. And it was almost like a movie. I just like slid through the door and the door shut. And the yard cops out there that walks the yard, you know, make sure everything's everyone's

Starting point is 03:21:33 outside. He's like, hey, hey, get back in there. And he's like, no, don't open that. Don't open that. He's like, what's going on? I was like, man, I got to go. These dudes are trying to tell me, bro. Right.

Starting point is 03:21:42 They got knives. They're trying to kill me. And when you say that to a cop there, they know that's true. Yeah. Like, they're like, no, no, no, no one's going to try to kill you. And I was like, no, these dudes, if he says it, it's probably happening. Right. So he's like, oh, man, because now it's work.

Starting point is 03:21:57 You know, he's going to take me to the hole. He's like, all right. They hate, they hate work. Yeah, one coming into, there's to gaggle lieutenant's office first, you know, and tell him, what's up. One come to the lieutenant's office, you know, go, this thing walks me there. I'm just, dude, I'm just, dude, I'm just like, dude, I, because. Dude, I've seen it so many times, and it was going to happen to me. And so I get away and they put me in this like a visiting thing, you know, like a we talk to your, you know, the window.

Starting point is 03:22:28 Yeah. They put me in there for two days. I slept in there. I ate in there. Why they stick you in the shoe? There was no room. There was no room in the shoe. Finally, I get to the shoe.

Starting point is 03:22:41 and yeah, dude, it sucks. Our shoe was almost always empty. Crazy. Our shoe was so empty. One time they closed it down to renovate it and they just moved everybody. So if you go to the shoe like in the low, they put you in the shoe in the medium. And they were still plenty of room. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 03:22:58 That's crazy. It was a good place. Yeah. I wish I was there. I'd be like, hi, guys. You know what I mean? Just all goofy. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:23:09 So, yeah, so I was in there and I was in shooting, you know, they're going to ship me. And I'm like, look, man, you know, I'm not, you guys, it's on paper that we went on a bad hit for the Arian Circle. I can't walk anywhere that there's Arian Circle. Well, there's not Arian Circle everywhere. I go, but yeah, but they can, I know there's a place you can send me. Right. I'm talking about the Deuce and Coleman. Right.

Starting point is 03:23:36 And they're just like, well, you got to like, you got to like debrief. and you know, you got to drop out and do all this stuff. And I was already like in negotiations with a couple of guys to drop out because I was trying to be a Buddhist. Right. You know, study Buddha. The four noble paths, the eight, or the full, four noble truth, the eight full path. I'm trying to study that stuff because I was a believer, you know, of that.

Starting point is 03:24:01 I don't believe in now. Well, Buddha said that there would be a Jewish Messiah. Buddha predicted it. And Buddha always said, don't worship me. just a teacher. So, anyway, oh,

Starting point is 03:24:14 I don't know. I was talking about that. But. So they moved you to Coleman? Yeah. They sent me to Coleman. But still, it's drama getting to Coleman.

Starting point is 03:24:23 You know, you go to OTC. They're like, hey, man, where are you going? Where are you going? I don't know. But I did know.

Starting point is 03:24:30 Yeah. And then when you're on the plane going to Florida, you know, all the hardcore dudes were like, where you going? Where you going? I was like,

Starting point is 03:24:38 I guess it's a, Coleman. They're like, one or two. I was like, I'm going to the one, dude. And, you know, when you're on the bus at Coleman, you're just praying they drop the dudes off at the other places first and your last. Right. Of course you're not. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 03:24:57 So you got to be on the bus talking like you're good and normal. And then, you know, I've seen it's the deuce. I'm like, man, I got to get off here. But I'm just like, all right, guys, yeah, man. you know, like, oh yeah, here it is the deuce, man, but I'm not going there, you know. And there's like, yeah, man, all them pussies, all them dropouts and rats and, you know, this and that and the cops, you know, there's tons of cops there. You're a bro. Yeah, dude, I was like, why are they calling me, fellas?

Starting point is 03:25:27 I couldn't even make eye contact with those fools when I went out the bus. I just got off the bus, you know, I wish I could have just been like, you'd later, suckers, you know. That's crazy. I can't believe they called my name. This has got to be a mistake, fellas. Yeah. It's got to be a mistake. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:25:46 I'm going to see somebody said that, but I can't remember. I'm going to get this all straightened out. I'll see you guys in a couple days. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to talk to the captain as soon as I get there. I can't walk this podcast yard. So I get to Coleman.

Starting point is 03:25:59 And I'm getting short. I'm like a year away, maybe not even a year. It might be shorter than a year. And, man, I get there. and I'm just like, I can breathe. You know what I mean? There's still a little bit of politics there, you know. You know, and everyone there is trying to explain themselves while they're there.

Starting point is 03:26:18 Like, oh, you know, it was just a mishap with this, you know, and this, you know, I only safe place I could be. But, you know, I didn't. I'm good. I'm still a A.B. You know, I'm still a dirty white boar. I'm still A. Everyone's still in their gang. They just have to, like, sit here until they, the guys can.

Starting point is 03:26:37 figure it out. You know, they're either investigating their, something bad that they read, you know, kind of like what I was doing there. You know, but I'll stay here until that happens. But I already know you can only get there from checking in three times or like my thing. There's a hit basically on me. Right. Or what was the other one?

Starting point is 03:27:00 There's other ones. There's other reasons to be there. You're a cop or you're whatever. Drop out. You got a debrief. That's the other one I was thinking. them. And so, you know, no one did that. No one did any of those things, everyone there. It was all a mistake. It was all a mistake. But, uh, so, so I'm there.

Starting point is 03:27:18 You actually have a good story. Like, I was told to do something by somebody. I sure. I sure did. And now these are trying to, like, I didn't do any of that stuff. It's, like, a higher up told me to do something. Turns out he was a piece of shit. And now I'm on that card with him. Yeah. Because I followed an order. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, soon as well, so I get there and, you know, all the white boys are super cool, you know. There was the AB dude there from California.

Starting point is 03:27:46 He, he didn't take to me right away, you know. He just kind of see how I fell, you know. I used to do that. I'd watch people land and see how hard they land, you know, if they come out, you know, just swinging like, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, loud and proud or whatever. Or, you know, are they getting in the mix? Are they looking for drugs right away? You know, but he's seen how I landed.

Starting point is 03:28:06 I landed smooth and just kind of just chilled. And he came out to me one time I was walking here. He said, hey, man, spin a lap. And he was just telling me his story, you know. He did make a bad call and had one of his AB dudes killed. And it was just a bad call. He shouldn't have done it. He didn't get permission to do it.

Starting point is 03:28:26 If he, he could have gotten permission. Like, it would have happened. I talked to other AB dudes about it after that. on the streets. And I was like, yeah, I was at Coleman with so-and-so. And they're like, oh, man, if he just would have gotten permission, you know, it all came. He was the real deal. But, but, yeah, so the only thing, the only problem with the deuce is that, yeah, it's safe, you know, for you to be there.

Starting point is 03:28:52 But all the Cubans and the, and the Puerto Ricans and all them dudes and all them gangs, it's, that's not a bad yard for them. That's their yard. Right. You know, so they don't like any of the, any of the white boys because, you know, they're all bad on their shit. But they don't really politic like that. It has nothing to do with them.

Starting point is 03:29:12 So we all walk together. Right. But to get in close with them or, you know, to do business with them, it was almost impossible, unless you're a tattoo artist. Right. You know what I mean? And I was tattooing on them all the time. And they were, you know, feeding me and giving me, you know, lots of stamps.

Starting point is 03:29:29 And there was a lot of drugs there, like the biggest drug there. It was like gabapentin, you know, sometimes it's a box and would hit the yard, and they cut it up into a million pieces and sell it. But, yeah, it was pretty chill there. It was pretty chill there. And then that's where I left. I left from there, you know, took the bus back to L.A. They tried to send me to my sentencing district, but, you know,

Starting point is 03:29:52 I proved where I was from and sent me back to L.A. And I did the halfway house in Hollywood. and it was just crazy from there. Yeah, so I took the bus back to L.A., got to Vinewood. It's the halfway house in Hollywood. Like, the next street over is Hollywood Boulevard, the stars and stuff. But I know the area.

Starting point is 03:30:16 Basically, they're my entire life. So anyway, so I'm stoked I'm there. It's co-ed. So it's guys and girls all living together. I get there. Everyone's got a girlfriend, you know. Just a bunch of Mexican. I have Mexican girls.

Starting point is 03:30:29 There's like four of us white guys and this white girl, but she only daced Mexican guys. You know, I try to tell her, I'm half Mexican. It's odd. And, but, you know, it's cool. There was some cool dude. There's some Armenian power dudes there that had heard of me. And we were all getting along, hanging out. This dude's a stopper, super cool dude.

Starting point is 03:30:49 And basically, we would just go out for job search and just go walk Hollywood Boulevard and hang out, go to Starbucks. books. My kid brother sent me a Chromebook, you know, just a Chromebook. But it was something for me to go on that online with, you know. I've been down for a while. So there's a lot of new things out there. So I'm just basically hanging out all day. I'm sliding places here and there to do tattoos for cash.

Starting point is 03:31:16 But the halfway house isn't really like on me about, they just know I'm getting out this date. And hopefully, you know, you know, You can get a place, you know? And so towards the end, I was like, my family's going to get me a place. I think I turned in a little bit of money to get out. I can't remember. But I got let out.

Starting point is 03:31:37 But during that time, one of the girls that lived there, she had a friend, and she asked me, hey, do you want to make some money? And I'm like, absolutely. She's like, all right, it's basically just, you're going to open an account. You're going to deposit these checks. And then the girl that works there, she's going to create sub accounts from that main account.

Starting point is 03:32:01 And then you're going to go in with the account number and you're going to do a withdrawal step and you're going to withdraw only $1,000 at a time. Because if it's anything more, they'll look into it. They'll go to like the next page and see that it's not, the money's not cleared yet. Right. But like I guess like $1,000 was like the deal. Yeah. And so we started doing that. And they were, I don't, they were having like tweakers, you know, steal from.

Starting point is 03:32:25 mailboxes or whatever to get the checks, but they, they would always have some checks, like, with different names, you know, it could be, whatever. And we would fill them out, and then I would deposit them. And a lot of times the teller would be like, no, I can't. I was like, well, can you get your manager? And they would go get the manager and be like, like, look, this is my money. Like, I just got to prove for this car. I need the down payment.

Starting point is 03:32:49 And I'd have some fake paperwork that Toyota on the top or whatever. I didn't do that all the time, but in the end, I realized I need to have like a story. Right. You know, to like stand on. Like, it's important that I get this money today. It's my money. It's in my account. So that worked.

Starting point is 03:33:07 And it was working big time. And, but I had to come up. And so when I give them a social security, I would just give them a fake social. And they would send out, I would sign a thing. so they would like send out for proof of the social or something at the bank, but they would still open the account. So you can only do that so many times with your ID before they're like, hey, you can't do this.

Starting point is 03:33:37 But I did it a lot, a bunch of times. And the, but when it stopped working, she told me to put a hole in one of the numbers of my ID. And then when they go to do it, you just tell them, it's a different number, you know. And I would always just say, oh, that's a zero, you know, or a six or something because you could kind of see, like, maybe it was an eight or something, but you could still kind of see one of the round, like, numbers through the hole.

Starting point is 03:34:05 Right. And when they asked how that happened, I was like, oh, I left it at a restaurant and the stupid manager put it in his office and stuck on his court board, you know, and so he didn't lose it or, you don't know where it was. It makes no sense to me either, you know? Right. And so we did that, and we did that for a lot. I mean, it was well over 100 grand.

Starting point is 03:34:26 I'm thinking more close to two, but we would split it. And the only thing was is that I could only do a thousand a time and I had to do it fast. So I could go to each bank, like fast, bam, bam, bam. And then she would, she would move it to another sub-account. Give me the next sub-account number. And then I go in there, write it on a slip, or I had a bunch of slips with me. But I would write it on a slip, go in there. You know, I need to draw a thousand.

Starting point is 03:34:51 I think sometimes we try to do more and sometimes it would work, but we tried to stick with a thousand and just try to drain as much as we could. We usually wrote like eight or nine thousand on the checks, and then we would deposit two. And so she would just, I don't know exactly everything she did, but it was working. And it worked for a long time. And then finally I went in and it just wasn't working.

Starting point is 03:35:16 Right. It just wasn't working anymore. But I was given my PO so many dirties for heroin. That was about to come to an end too. Right. You know, but he thought I was doing good because I always had money. I had a shop, tattoo shop, you know, that was mine. And he just made it as long as you're doing good, just, you know, don't deal drugs.

Starting point is 03:35:39 Don't, you know, don't rob anybody. Don't, you know, do bad guy shit except for, you know, your little possessions that you're doing to stay well or whatever. Because every time he see me, you know, he goes, you look good. Right. But you felt your, but you filled your, your UA. Yeah, but I was failing UA's. So finally, he got a new supervisor. He was a black guy.

Starting point is 03:36:02 And he was like, man, and I'm on paper. And he's like, dude, you're letting this way, no, no. He's got to get cleaner. He's going back. So he gives me like a week to get clean, sends me to this detox center in Long Beach. I'm trying to get clean, but like, I'm like on day two, and I'm hallucinating so bad. I'm doing like five grams of heroin a day, but I'm hallucinating so bad from withdrawing. I fell asleep because they give you all these pills to like sleep because they try to get you to sleep the bad part away.

Starting point is 03:36:34 Right. But I had a dream that I had a conversation with a doctor, and he said it was okay if I just left and came back later that night. So I'm trying to tell the nurse that. Like, no, Dr. So-and-so said I could leave. And she's like, no one told you you could leave. I promise you. And I was like, but I got to go. I got to go.

Starting point is 03:36:53 And she's like, oh, yeah, are you signing out AMA against medical advice? Yep, signing out. So I get out, call my roommate. I left my roommate with a big chunk, like, I mean, a ball of heroin. And call him. I told him to bring me a get well. He comes. He's coming all away from Hollywood.

Starting point is 03:37:10 I'm in Long Beach. It's far. And so I'm just waiting there, just sweating, withdrawing. and he gets there and I just do the shot right there in the car right in the parking lot and dude it's just like I'm not trying to glorify drugs but it was just like such a relief to be well and I was like what am I going to tell my P.O. man what am I going to tell him? I just got to be honest so I told him I go look I walked out of the place but I'm going to get clean I'm going to I'm going to do it I'm going to go to my brothers he's going to put me in his room

Starting point is 03:37:42 and a room lock me in there until I'm done with you. detox. And that's what I did. I would say you don't want to detox in prison, that's for sure. No, absolutely not. And that's what I did. Because I had to, that was like a Friday. I told them that. I had till Thursday. So, oh, and I had, I had a couple checks that were getting ready to clear. I forgot about that part. Yeah, because it didn't stop until after that, because I remember going to the treatment center. So, yeah, so I messed that up. I was going to the treatment center and I had checks clearing

Starting point is 03:38:19 and I had to be well enough to go withdraw from those checks with a girl and that was on a Monday and my brother was like what? You look like shit. I was like, yeah, but I got to get money for treatment and blah, blah, blah. She's like, all right, I'll take you.

Starting point is 03:38:35 And I did, dude. I did it like totally sick. And even talked to the dude was cool. He just got back on some vacation. He just told me about the vacation and and uh and i did it and i got well i got to treatment they i went to phoenix house in venice beach and uh it was it was cool there um but i was i didn't tell them i because i got clean with suboxin and uh so i didn't tell them i was i snuck in the suboxone um so when i

Starting point is 03:39:05 when the suboxin ran out in treatment i got kind of like sick again but i was weaning myself off the suboxin right so i kind of got sick again one of the guys my roommates was going out. I said if I just had like some vodka or something to take the edge away. So he got me a little bottle of vodka, brought it back to the treatment center because they get to go out for like work and like look for jobs before they graduate. And he brought me back to this bottle of vodka. I drink the whole thing, dude.

Starting point is 03:39:29 I was so drunk, bro. And I had to go to group. And I was so drunk. And I thought, and there was a dude there that I knew was selling heroin. I went down to him. I was like, dude, I just need a little chunk because I usually if you, if you got a little buzz, an alcohol buzz, and you do a little heroin, it'll even you out. Okay.

Starting point is 03:39:49 In theory. In theory. Did it? Well, I did too much. So I OD'd. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, I have a picture of it on my phone just laying on the floor. All the things on me and the paramedics surrounding me in the treatment center.

Starting point is 03:40:03 I keep it there for when I go talk now, because I talk around different treatment centers. And I haven't a little bit, but I used to when I first got out. And I do a little talk on integrity and how it like nurtures shame and guilt and then you're back using. Anyway. So, yeah. So anyway, so I OD. The paramedics come. They take me to the Marina del Rey Hospital.

Starting point is 03:40:30 I get out of the hospital. I go back to the treatment. I take a taxi back to the treatment center. And they're like, what happened? And I was like, man, I was upstairs. dude had some some monsters or whatever energy drink i drank it and someone must have put some heroin in and set me up the story sounds so dumb it's i'm almost embarrassed that i said it right like i it feels embarrassing now saying it and uh my pio didn't buy it for shit right but my counselor

Starting point is 03:41:00 bought it and she was like rooting for me and uh because i was doing pretty good you know like all my Assignments for good. I was being honest because I was trying to get better. So Pio comes to the thing the very next day. He's like, take a walk. So we walk on Venice Beach Boulevard, you know, the boardwalk, you know. You've seen it on movies where everyone's crazy. It's Venice Beach anyway.

Starting point is 03:41:26 So he's like, come on, take a walk with me. So we walk. He's like, you're full of shit, bro. You're full of shit. He's like, the only reason why the marshals aren't here with me is because of, Latanya. La Tanya believes in it. She was this black lady. Super cool. Super smart. I really don't think she bought it, but she was rooting for me. Right. So she just told him, no, let's just let him see how he does. And he said, she believes you. She wants to see how you do. So, I mean, what does it matter to me if you go to prison now? If you go to prison later, either way, because you're either going to do good or you're not going to do good. So he let me, he let me get it. And dude. I became like the house coordinator. I was killing it.

Starting point is 03:42:11 You know what I mean? I became a leader of the house. All right. And so I was there for four months. I graduated. It was super emotional. I got lots of pictures. I'm like big and fat and healthy.

Starting point is 03:42:22 And I got lots of pictures of that time. It was just, I felt really good. My girlfriend didn't leave me. Yeah, I had a girlfriend during that time, too. This girl named Gloria. And she was like a Mexican,

Starting point is 03:42:37 a hot rod pinup girl with tattoos and stuff and I just told her I took Vicodin so sometimes I'd fall asleep when we were watching movies and uh but I had to be honest with her in treatment and she stuck by me man

Starting point is 03:42:50 but she would she would always tell me she'd be like oh false advertising false advertising when we first started dating you said you were this you said you were that but you were a junkie and blah blah blah only when she would get mad at me

Starting point is 03:43:01 or think I was cheating on her right she woke me up one time with my phone and hit me in the head when I was sleeping. We had been out playing pool and drinking. And she hit me in the head. She's like, what the fuck? What is that?

Starting point is 03:43:14 And it was like this like automated general email, like went to some like a back page page or something. Right. That was in my emails. And like I never did anything like that. Right. And I was like, I have no clue what that is. You're being crazy. And she like threw it at me and went to pour bleach on my computer.

Starting point is 03:43:34 And dude, she was crazy. But I stuck with her because she stuck with me. Right. And I did. I lied to her about everything. And so three or four months go by and we're not getting along. And I relapse. One of my friends from treatment, he lived in Venice Beach.

Starting point is 03:43:55 I went and checked on him one time and he was just high. And her and I had been arguing. And I was like, man, let me just take a hit off that. He's like, are you sure, bro? I don't want to be the one. Everyone always says that. I don't want to be the one. to get you started back.

Starting point is 03:44:07 Like, look, it's either you or someone else. Might as well get high with you, right? And so anyway, I got high and I couldn't stop, you know? And it sucked, too, because, like, that treatment center, I feel like I did some good work there. But I just wasn't ready, I guess, you know? And so, anyway, I started using again and was, like, trying to beat my UA's and missing them. And finally, they were just like, hey, we, uh, if you get a, If you figure out another treatment center for you to go to, we'll let you go to that.

Starting point is 03:44:40 But we just need to come down to signs some papers. I'm like, all right. So I went down there and signed some papers. Nothing happened. I was like, okay, they're going to let me do this treatment center. The next day, my P.O. was like, hey, dude, you forgot to sign this one sheet. You didn't sign. Look at the back.

Starting point is 03:44:55 I'm like, all right. I get down there. They were waiting for the warrant. The judge was out that day. Couldn't sign the warrant. So they let me go and come back. Well, I got drugs on me, you know, syringes, drugs, heroin, math. And I get there and, dude, it was like they came out of the ceiling.

Starting point is 03:45:16 It was just like, boom, they were there. They're like, just calm down, calm down. I was like, I'm calm. You guys are excited. And what's crazy, I went to take a piss when I was in there. And one of the marshals that came and take a piss next to me. But he was just doing that to make sure I wasn't bailing. And so anyway, so I got dope.

Starting point is 03:45:35 in jail down in Santa Ana. But they had to lock me up because I'm a gang member. I couldn't be in regular population. But I was with other gang members. And they all had drugs. And they seen I was Malias. You know, hey, homie you Malias. You Malias.

Starting point is 03:45:51 I was like, yeah, man, much Malias. Mucha lias. He's like, okay. And he sent me a piece, you know, got me well. And, but I end up getting sick and PRump. And do you ever go to promp in your travels? Yeah, it's like a holding center now. Um, so anyway, so I went up, uh, back to prison on a violation.

Starting point is 03:46:13 Um, it sucked. But I had to go all the way back to Montana because that's where I was sentenced. So whenever I violated, I had to go back to Montana, see the judge and then go to prison and then come back out. Well, this time, does she let me go back that? No, she didn't let me go back that time. She said, you got to stay in Montana because every time you violate, I'm not going to come get you. and fly you back just so you can see me. And I was like, I ain't saying in Montana, Montana.

Starting point is 03:46:41 I hate Montana. I was like, well, you have no choice. So anyway, so I end up staying in Montana. They put me in a halfway house. I meet a girl. She's shooting pills. She wasn't when I first met her, but she was a pill shooter.

Starting point is 03:46:56 And I was tattooing at a tattoo shop in Montana. And every time she'd need to get high, she would come get money from me. But finally, I was like, I was over it. Right. I was like, dude, I'm done, but I had met someone on my violation. And he was like, he would always talk about counterfeiting. They always do.

Starting point is 03:47:13 He was like, man, you do this, you do that. You take the purple cleaner and do this. Or you can do an acetone bleach wash, but the pan gets hot. And, you know, you can take a soft brush, toothbrush. And, you know, because we were washing ones. Right. And, man, that's like the perfect way to do it, though. You know, I mean, it's a dumb crime, but it's really like trying to find paper.

Starting point is 03:47:33 You know, I've heard guys, you know, I get 50% this, 40% that, linen, you know, I had paper sending in from here, from China, this and that. I'm like, dude, just wash a one. Why not just wash a one? But, you know, maybe they know about it at that time, or I don't know. Or maybe they're just trying to do too much at a time. They're trying to do it bigger than washing, you know, 10 ones at a time.

Starting point is 03:47:56 So I figured I could figure that out, right? So I started doing that, washing ones. And first I was using the bleach. it was really hard to get it. You tore up the paper a lot. The paper got really like a brittle. And because the toothbrush and the chemicals would take layers of the paper off. So it would just get too thin.

Starting point is 03:48:17 So, you know, but they looked really good. So sometimes you get used to. I made the old ones, of course, not the ones with the blue stripe. And the 50s were always perfect. Those always passed because I don't know, they didn't scrutinize the 50s. Now in Billings, Montana, they scrutinize 20s. they, you know, if you look shady and you hand them a 20, they're going to, they're going to hit it with a marker. Or put it in.

Starting point is 03:48:39 And now they have like ultraviolet light or whatever, like a little thing that can stick them in. So anyway, I was doing that with her. Just, you know, I was just making them and she was passing him and buying her pills. And one time, I said I was going to stop making him for her. And I did stop for a while. But I went back to making him for it. And the first time I went to make her like, like 10, I was washing some. ones at my new condo.

Starting point is 03:49:05 But I had a roommate, and she gave herself last July. She was my best friend. And that really sucked. But anyway, Christina. And that's a whole other thing. But she was under investigation for selling math. She had stopped, but they hit her house. When they hit her, she was my roommate.

Starting point is 03:49:29 So it was our house. So they hit it. But they caught me. and my girlfriend coming out. And they're like, you know, who are you? And I'm so-and-so. And her stay PO was there. Oh, you know, Miss Lance.

Starting point is 03:49:41 And I'm like, good to see you. What are you doing? She's like, nothing. What do you? She always talks shit to her POs. I used to hate it because I'd be like, they're hiding in the closet because we weren't supposed to be together. And she'd be like, what the fuck are you here at one in the morning?

Starting point is 03:49:53 And I was like, dude, shut up. I'm like hiding in the closet. Right. And so anyway, I had just washed a bunch of ones with the, with the, with the purple degrecer, you like boil it in a microwave. And then when you pull them out, do the ink just like falls off. You just hit it with the soft brush, electric toothbrush a little bit. And it's a clean one.

Starting point is 03:50:14 You can print them. So I had a bunch of washed ones on the ironing board because I would iron them flat. Because if you didn't iron them flat, they would, when you put them in the printer, they wouldn't be like, you know, flat to go through the sheet, to go through the roller. But for some reason, I just started ironing them. Yeah, oh yeah, because I used to put them in a book wet and let them dry in a book. But I just didn't want to wait. So I blew dry them and they'd be a wrinkle when you blow dry them.

Starting point is 03:50:44 And then I would iron them flat. And so anyway, the FBI Safe Streets Task Force hit her. When they went to search the house in my bathroom, there was a bunch of washed ones on the thing. And they asked me what I was doing. I said I was making these coupons that look like money for tattooing. And so like, because when I would make other coupons, they would, they would lose them. But I figured if it looked like money, they would just put it in their wallet like money. And they would always have that coupon and they would come get a tattoo someday.

Starting point is 03:51:14 Even if it was a year later, they would still have that coupon, you know, in their wallet. Right. Dude, I came up with that, like right then and there. It might sound corny now, but it worked. Right. And, but my girl had a fake hundred in a. her wallet. So when, because they took her to jail for a probation violation for being in a known drug house. And, uh, but she, but she, there was no drugs there. They didn't find anything, but they

Starting point is 03:51:40 told them. The only thing they found was my counterfeit. And, uh, we laughed about that for a long time. But it's stupid. The, um, the, uh, what was I? Oh, yeah. So she, they booked her into jail. She had a fake hundred. The cops caught it in, in booking. And so they realized that that was fake. My P.O. me that night, he's like, hey, they got a counterfeit 100 off your girlfriend. You sure you weren't making counterfeit money? I was like, no, I'm sure. He's like, well, come see me tomorrow at 1 o'clock. I'm like, all right, I knew I was going back. I knew for sure. They're going to charge me with counterfeiting. Counterfeiting up to like, I can't remember how many hundreds of thousands or close to 100,000 is like a, it's like almost like a federal misdemeanor. You get nine months.

Starting point is 03:52:25 Yeah. And, but you get, you get a little extra time. If you have the, it was it called uttering, but yeah, but if you have the printer, you get like five extra months for having the device that made those. But they have to match it. But of course, it did. It matched it. I didn't, you know, I didn't change printers. I knew to change printers before, but I wasn't even trying to do it again. I had stopped doing it for her. And so anyway, so I knew I was going back, so I got all my, you know, fares. It took my car. I had this like little TR7 triumph. had a Mustang engine. It was cool.

Starting point is 03:52:58 It was a super little, cool little car. And, yeah, I just went and knew I was going back. So I went and seen him. He's like, you know, hey, we got a warrant. And Marshalls came in. He's like, you're going to do your violation first. And then, you know, we'll see where they're at with the investigation, with the counterfeiting.

Starting point is 03:53:20 They want to make sure they have all of it. Right. Because they, you know, there was a bunch that got passed in Bozeman, Montana, which is like three hours away from where we lived. And so they just want to make sure they have all of it. So anyway, so I just sat out. They did my time. They gave me six months, so I'd never even left the jail.

Starting point is 03:53:37 And finally, they indicted me. How much time? Yeah, I got nine. I feel like I got 14 months. I could look that up. Yeah, I think I got 14 months, but they, I got a lot of time served from the time that my probation violation ran out or somehow I think it linked over a little bit for the way they filed it or something. But I did go back, but I only went back for like four months and then

Starting point is 03:54:08 they gave me like six weeks halfway house because I was yelling and screaming about being homeless. So no, they gave me halfway house the first time. My first violation. Yeah, I thought I was going to be homeless on that, that, that, that, last time. And when I got off the plane, so I went and did my time, nothing happened there, but I did it at a low. And they locked me up when I first got there because of my gang affiliation. Right. In Big Springs, Big Springs, Texas. Yeah, they locked me up right away. They were like, wait, you can't walk this yard. You're crazy. We're going to find you somewhere. I was like, man, I only got a couple months. So SAS came and talked to me. I was like,

Starting point is 03:54:48 I had to sign this thing. I won't beat up any Chomo's. I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to beat up any chomos. Just let me out of the hole. So they let me out. There was some good dudes there. I still talk to a couple of those guys from there. And anyway, so I get out. I think I'm going to be homeless. But as I'm getting off the plane at the airport, there's this dude standing there with a sign that says Yarbo. It's in my name's name is spelled right. So I like, I walk by him. He's got this little dog, old man. And I was like, stop. Hey, do you mean Yarbrough?

Starting point is 03:55:22 He's like, yeah, Sam? I was like, yeah, that's me. He's like, hey, I'm Ken, Ken Cottrell. I run a transitional living home, a Christian transitional living home. He's like, yeah, your PO got a hold of me. He said you were worried about being homeless. Well, I got a spot for you to live. I was like, wow. I knew nothing about it.

Starting point is 03:55:41 Right. And, man, I was like so relieved. I was so relieved because my plan was to go get drunk, turn myself into my PO, go see the judge and let the judge just discharge me. Right. because I still had a ton of paper still It took me 10 years to do five years paper Yeah, I just got off like a year and a half ago

Starting point is 03:56:02 Okay Yeah, but it took me 10 years totally stupid So anyway, so I lived with him for a little bit And got saved And man, it was an amazing thing I did have another relapse And I went back for a little bit But when I came out of that

Starting point is 03:56:21 Wait, no, I didn't go back for that one But I did have, I was on, I did have some state paper because, oh yeah, I skipped that part. So during the counterfeiting, I also got a state charge for a dirty spoon for possession. Okay. But they just gave me like four years suspended for that. But it was my girlfriend's spoon. I was clean at the time. And my Fed PO even tried to tell it like, no, he was given us clean, you guys.

Starting point is 03:56:46 He's like, well, he got charged with it. Yeah. He can either fight it or whatever. But they finally came with the suspended. So I was like, yeah, I won't even fight it. So anyway, so I was living there. I relapsed, had to leave there, went back to jail, and they were trying to figure out what they're going to do with me.

Starting point is 03:57:04 They ended up sending me to this four-month treatment program called True North. And that's where, like, the real change happened. I was, fell back on my Christian beliefs, you know, started reading my Bible and praying, was hanging out with other Christians from this church called Emmanuel Baptist. and just had a real good support group. I finally, like, truly mourned my wife. And it happened in an anger management group, of all things. I was in an anger management group where I didn't even think I didn't think I needed to take.

Starting point is 03:57:41 I didn't feel like angry. I had no violence in my record. But, you know, some prison violence, but nothing outside of that. Right. I was going to say. But, you know, that was all acting, you know. Right. In my eyes, you know.

Starting point is 03:57:56 So, yeah, yeah, I did True North, a support group, got out of True North and was doing really good. I was going to church, was talking at the treatment center, my little shame and integrity, a little spiel, and was doing really good with my sponsor having coffee. and this girl walks by and she's like, are you Sam? And I'm like, yeah. She's like, do you remember me, Mariana, Arthur's wife? And I was like, oh, yeah. She's like, well, Arthur's ex-wife.

Starting point is 03:58:31 I was like, oh, well, how's little Arthur doing? He was one of my tattoo clients' wife. Right. And she's like, well, I want to get a tattoo. Anyway, so I went and did our consultation with her and we never got to the tattoo. We just talked about God and life. And we talked about just life

Starting point is 03:58:50 and like just being a spiritual being and and uh and it was just a really good conversation well we ended up just being inseparable and um we fell in love and then that was four years ago yeah four years ago and um maybe three years three and a half we've been married for three so yeah so um yeah just pretty amazing thing. You know, we're struggling now. You know, there's a big age difference. And I, and I really struggled with that in the beginning. But, you know, our pastors say you fall in love with who you fall in love with. You know, she's a lot older than you? No. I'm a lot of older than it's like a 26 year age difference. Oh, wow. Yeah. That is. Yeah. My wife's 18. Huh? My wife's 18 years. Oh, 18 years. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:59:49 She seemed really cool. Like just on vibe, she seemed really cool. Yeah. Yeah. 26. Yeah. And now, you know.

Starting point is 03:59:59 Like dating Mary Shelley. Like, what's going on? What? Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I think she's just mature enough and I'm just immature enough where we meet a little closer, you know? Right.

Starting point is 04:00:10 Because I'm still super silly. I'm super like, you know, all over the place. And, but I'm sober, you know. And, um, and I have. God and I just truly just think this is the best I've ever been. I really feel like I'm my most authentic self that I've ever been. And I don't like using that word authentic self because it sounds so treatment. So therapy.

Starting point is 04:00:34 I didn't really hear it in treatment, but I see a therapist every Tuesday. And yeah, we're trying to find my most authentic self. And even before my wife, I don't. believe that before she was killed, I don't think I was very my authentic self. I was a super workaholic. I didn't treat her the best, you know, I just wasn't present mostly. And I used to get emotional about that. And she deserved better than me, you know, even though I wasn't a drug addict. But I feel like I was an asshole. I just feel as close as I can be to my most authentic self as I am now.

Starting point is 04:01:24 I am now. I tattoo and I just try to spend as much time with my family as possible. Now, my wife doesn't believe that. She thinks that I'm just obsessed with tattooing, obsessed with YouTube because I started a YouTube channel called Legal Livewire. It used to be called All-Rise Legal Network. But I just do like court hearings and I do some commentating. I want to do more commentating and maybe even do, I don't know if I'm going to do it like in TV series, like form, you know, or do it live. I just talked to Kobe a little bit about it during our little break.

Starting point is 04:02:02 So I got some ideas and he gave me some good advice. So like I'm going to try to make some changes and, you know, but it's pretty cool. I have almost 9,000 subscribers now. Nice. Yeah, I got place. That takes a while. Well, I got my first 4,000, like in four months, something like that. Nice.

Starting point is 04:02:22 But I was posting all the time, and I was doing lives and, you know, had a little community, started a Discord. Discord's super confusing for me. I don't understand. Like, I don't feel like it's a good fit for me, you know, so I don't do it too much. But they say you should. I've only heard about it. I don't really know what it is. It's kind of a nightmare.

Starting point is 04:02:43 It's like servers and communicating. It can be a lot. It's just like a little, it's like a group where you go into and there's a bunch of mini, like mini groups, little subpages within this page that you go to. You talk to people. No, so you would have. I can barely handle doing the, answering comments. Yeah.

Starting point is 04:03:02 Oh, yeah, me too. Yeah. Me too. Yeah, it's a lot. So if we had one to be like, guest request, general chat, latest episode chat. Yeah. Whenever you do it, episode, you would come on and talk about it with everybody. you.

Starting point is 04:03:15 And it's, it's, I mean, it's kind of confusing. In the LawTube, you know, niche, it's kind of, it is kind of an important thing. You can grow your channel with it. But it would have to do exactly what he said, you know. After I would air my, you know, publish my episode, you know, people start watching it, you know, then I'd be on there available to talk about it. Or, you know, sometimes I will put, you know, let's discuss on Discord after, you know. And I tried it for a little bit, but it's hard. It's hard to keep up with everything, you know, with tattooing, family, that.

Starting point is 04:03:51 I'm trying to find some self-health, self-care. You know, I used to work out. I'm like as skinny as I've been ever. Like, I'm almost as skinny as I, when I was using. Yeah, I usually stay around 245, 250. And I think I'm like at 215 right now, 220, maybe. you know, my shoulders are shrinking. I feel like my arms are shoestringed, you know.

Starting point is 04:04:19 But that's all ego, you know. But, you know, we like to be healthy and fit and look good in shirts. And, you know, I know you look so good in shirts. We posted, you know how we've had to post a few repurpose videos. Yeah. There's a comment, I don't know if you saw it. Someone said, man, Matt's arms are shrinking because there was a video. Oh, don't say that.

Starting point is 04:04:41 Oh, yeah, yeah. We'll get in our head about that. Forever. Not forever. Listen, I, you know, Bean Shooter? Yeah. You see what he was doing this weekend? No, what?

Starting point is 04:04:50 He's in like Columbia or something, getting surgery. Yeah, yeah, no, I already saw it. He already got it. He sent me the videos. That's what I was going to say. He literally, we did a thing. Somebody left a comment. No, someone left a comment in our video that said,

Starting point is 04:05:05 um, uh, holy bat or holy turtle or holy, um, uh, holy turkey net. turkey neck, Batman. And he said, listen, he said, I got so upset about it. He flew and had the surgery done. He needs to come here again and explain it. Yeah.

Starting point is 04:05:27 I'm waiting to see how it looks. That'd be done. I know. I've been watching. Did you see how they did it? I just saw, I just seen like a couple of a stories. I'm trying to look.

Starting point is 04:05:35 Bro, I'll show you the video. They went here, here, here, and down. So it's like a big zigzag. And then they're going to, and then they're going to tie it all it. So I want to see how it looks. And how it heals. How it looks. Like, oh, listen, he was, he's got a video of it.

Starting point is 04:05:51 I mean, I'm like, he's something that I was, I'll show you. Yeah. That's dope. I mean, I guess. How old is he? That would be similar. So they could round ours. He's about my age.

Starting point is 04:06:03 Yeah. He is. No, he's my, he's, is he my age or a little. I want to say he's, he's, he might be a tad young. He's a little bit younger. He's a little bit younger. A few years. younger.

Starting point is 04:06:14 He is funny. Man, we didn't even know who, we didn't even know who he was really when he was coming. And listen, after that episode, he was hilarious. And what's so funny is I think he's funny, right? Which my wife already kind of thinks I'm kind of a dirtbag. So the fact that I think his humor is funny, it really upsets her. What really sent her over the edge is the fact that Colby thinks he's funny. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 04:06:42 And she's like, I don't even think I know who Colby is. Yeah. That she's that he laughs about this guy and thinks this. And she's, she's in that he's following him. She's, oh, I mean, like, she's like, I don't think she's like, I have an image of, she has an image of Colby as this really wholesome kid who's, you know, married his high school sweetheart and had two kids. And it's just the nicest, sweetest guy. And the fact that he'll laugh at anything that Bean Shooter puts out upsets her to her court. Yeah.

Starting point is 04:07:11 Yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, I mean, he's just kind of maybe, maybe you're wrong. Maybe he is kind of funny. She's no, no, no. Yeah, she can't be. Yeah. Yeah. She's upset because the homeless guy, he'll go, hey, buddy, hey.

Starting point is 04:07:26 Now, he's obviously has an issue with this homeless guy. Hey, buddy. Hey, I got you some coffee. And as the guy comes towards him to get the coffee, he just dropped it on the ground, like kind of chucks it and throws it on the ground. So it's like, it's a dick move. But there's obviously, she does it to him all the time. The guy's like, fuck you. Like, nah, come on.

Starting point is 04:07:42 I was just around the other day. I got you, bro. I know it's cold out here. And the guy will start to come through and he'll be like, here, and he'll throw it at him. I mean, he's just, you know, and unfortunately, it is comical

Starting point is 04:07:54 the way he does it. I'll have to see the way he did, because it sounds shitty. It does sound shitty. I tried to show one of my buddies. I was like, dude, look at this. And he's like, man. He's like, man, that's messed up.

Starting point is 04:08:04 Shit. Yeah. Matt's been sick. If you could just explain, like in a minute, like one minute, 90 seconds. what you did, I basically use as a TikTok.

Starting point is 04:08:14 Try to use it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'll do it. I'll try to do it kind of funny. Yeah. You could, uh... I'll just do it natural and you can edit it.

Starting point is 04:08:23 Yeah, if you do it and just pretend, if you put, like, pretend I'm talking to him. And you're talking to Matt right there. And then it was being you and I'll make a TikTok out of it. Yeah. And that'll be it. Okay, cool. Yeah.

Starting point is 04:08:33 Ready? I would start by saying what you stole bin's credit card information or something like that. Yeah. If you just say that and then tell you to tell whatever. Say, yeah, and then I still Ben Stiller's credit card. Yeah, yeah. And then I'll make a TikTok out of that.

Starting point is 04:08:48 Okay, cool. Yep. Is he good? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, then, dude, I still have been Stiller's credit card. Yeah. Dude, yeah.

Starting point is 04:08:58 I was driving these escorts around. Well, I got in really close with the madam. It was like Tiffany's exotic dancers or something. And, dude, so I was staying with the madam because we would like, smoke every once in a while. And I was always hitting on her, but she would never, you know, hook up with me. She actually hooked up with a friend of mine for like a long time. But anyways, yeah, so she would have this book with all these credit cards because these guys would call in. And this is like in the heart of Hollywood. But we would drive these girls to Beverly Hills,

Starting point is 04:09:27 to, you know, Calabasas. Well, anyway, I was looking through the book and I seen Ben Stiller's name and then his like credit card number. And I was like, well, that's probably got a pretty decent limit. So I bought a computer. I sent flowers to my girlfriend. And, dude, my girlfriend knew I didn't have any money. So she called the florist, but I used Ben Stiller's name to buy him because, you know, I don't know if they check the name or whatever they do for the credit. So I just used his name. And so she called the Flores. And he said, yeah, Ben Stiller sent you those flowers.

Starting point is 04:09:56 And when I went to take credit for the flowers, she was, dude, she broke up with me. She was like, you're disgusting. You just like bought me two dozen roses with, like, someone else's credit card. And it was Ben Stiller's credit card. She's like, you're a piece of shit. That's perfect. Cool. That's pretty good.

Starting point is 04:10:14 I felt like I was acting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hey, you guys. Thanks for watching the episode. If you liked it, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified the videos like this.

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