Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Fraudsters Reveal Their Favorite Scams

Episode Date: August 23, 2023

Fraudsters Reveal Their Favorite Scams

Scam, like for the definition of this podcast, is kind of an idea to gain money. The problem is that's how you and I look at it as a free 30 grand. To them, they're like, it's a credit line. You're like, no, no, no. That's not the way this works. I promise you, it's free. And gave us the possibility of getting a $7 million check from Kellogg's. I remember telling I'm like, we're done.

Seven million bucks? It's over. It was never going to be over. I used to always say, if I just got a few million dollars, if I got a few million dollars, I would have said, that was easy.

You said, look you in it. Come on, put this up. The problem with most people is, you read this scam, and you're like, that's a good scam.

Like, what went wrong? Like, he did it in his own name. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? Go behind the cash register with the guy. and like go into and steal like all kinds. Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm here with my buddy Zach.

Yo, what's up? Check out my channel. And we're going to, yeah, Zach's got a channel. Black Zach. No. I don't know what to say about that. But it's all that needs to be said. And yeah.

So check out that channel. And also the link will be in the description. So we're going to be going over This is real I didn't think this through Scams we admire like I'm trying to be like a clean cut guy Well it doesn't mean you can't admire something no It's like you you have a beautiful wife that's true right But then you might admire another woman

You might say hey Cindy Crawford is attractive You know might see another so you you can You know Rehabilitate and say That's clever Jess has killed just about every animal there is in Florida She's butchered there She can cut them open, take out the guts, skin them and put all the good stuff in a freezer

and then, you know, eat it. She's already told me they'll never find your body. She's like, I mean, I get it. Like there are girls that cute. They flirt with you. They send you messages. And I get it and that's great. She says, but I'm just letting you know, they'll never find your body. Like, I didn't even have to follow up on that. I don't know. What does that mean? What do you? I was just like, this new is ominous. Just like, got it. No problem. Listen, she's got me so scared. Like when women, you will text me, you know, they'll text you, you know, they'll hit you up on

Instagram or whatever, you know, hey, how's it going? Or, wow, you're amazing. And I'll, listen, within the first sentence or two, it's like, yeah, my wife thinks so. Like, just in case it's a plant. Right. You know, case she's trying to like go right, like, hey, I need you to send something to Matt. Yeah. You know, I'm like, yeah, you're not suckering up.

Oh, so you're a one step. ahead of. Oh, yeah. That's that, that's that mentality, like, for you people that with cons and schemes, the mentality of looking at it from the reverse angle. That's what I, that's what I always call it, too. That'll keep you alive. Yes, yes. Or out of you. You spin it around and you say, you know what, let me try to see it from the other perspective coming back towards me. Yeah, now. I'm not falling for it. Yeah. Good times. Yeah. So what, so what is the scam What is a scam? Because there's no one scam.

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or you can go to aura.com backslash Matt to start your two-week free trial also linked in the description below. A scam, like for the definition of this podcast, is kind of an idea to gain money. Like I might have an idea like, hey, I might have come across a checkbook and go, you know what, I got an idea?

I'm going to write a check off of this guy's account, who we don't know, to you, you're going to deposit in your account, we're going to split it. Right. And you might go, hey, I'm down with that. You know what I'm saying? That is what I could do.

I don't know who would be. You'd be shocked. Look at you. You'd be shocked. You would be shocked. I know a guy. Yeah. You would absolutely be shocked.

It's unbelievable. But that is a scam. Or even I consider a scam is like the what I was privy to was the shoplifters like I knew I knew four ladies that did shoplifting

right and like I was lucky enough to sit in on one of their meetings you know because they have one person that draws in the security so the other three are actually going to steal and get away and the other one's going to draw security and draw security like act like she's not

steal anything be absolutely sloppy obvious So that security kind of hangs out and kind of watches her. Right. And what they do is they come in all separate and then they all watch her to see as she, oh, yeah, she's being watched. Let's go. You know, that is a scam, you know, because they're working.

A well choreograph. Yes. Yes. Well, something that's pre, I was pre plan, but I really, I want to use the legal term premeditated. That's when you know you've turned, turn to corner. Yes. When you start using the, that's right. We start using the legal.

term? Yes. It's a law enforcement term. So premedit. So if I told you, hey, I'm going to write you a check, this is premeditated. Whereas I could have just wrote you a check and said, hey, I'm going to give you a hundred bucks. I need you to cash. I could lie. Right. But to put everyone in on it is the scam. You know, me, like we're all working together to obtain money. That is what you call a scam. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what we're, because what happened was scheme. Scheme? Scheme really isn't illegal, by the way. The term scheme. Yes. That's what I was thinking. Scheme is, is, to me, seems illegal. Right.

Scheme seems singular. Like, if you use the word scheme, it seems like it would only be one person. Really? Yeah. A scheme seems like, so then in my mind, a scheme would have a mastermind,

you know, which means like that one person is the ultimate benefactor and all you know I spent a lot of time in jail thinking about the differences so I think what I think whatever they're there's synonyms anyway whatever roughly so yeah so yeah you like one person benefiting so you got the little benefactors I would say so so that a scam is a group effort like hey I got an idea okay so what what what happened I disagree but what happened what what I don't So you, that's the scam you admire, the one with their shoplifting, or just you admire the fact that they drew law enforcement away?

Yes. Okay. Because of the brilliance of it. Like you, like, you would say that only because I'm given the simplicity of it. Right. But to watch that in action because it works. So the one person that's the, the person that draws the attention actually gets stopped at the register. Right. And what's so funny is that they're not in any jeopardy at all.

No. And the other people leave with pre, like they have orders of stuff going in. It's unbelievable. They have orders of stuff going in. And the one girl stopped at the register. Oh, and she gives them a sob story and cries. And then 20 minutes, you know, they're texting on the phone. And it's like they're going to let me go. And then they end up letting them go with a, hey, don't ever come back in this store. Right. But the whole time, it's like, okay, we got like $6,000 worth of stuff. You're saying she really does steal stuff? and they get caught or she she gets stopped at the register

she makes it look like I was going to say like to me to me like in front of them you could like with the camera I would kind of show myself like putting stuff in a bag and then move to a spot and then take the stuff out of the bag

oh do you what I'm saying like to me you get up to the cash register and then they'd come and they'd grab you oh no oh empty your bag and you'd empty the bag you'd be like what they'd be like holy Jesus like I saw her

like I could see that would be right and then they'd have to let you go I was like, what do you talk? Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I did put a skirt. I did put the skirt in there. And then I realized, oh, wait a second, this looks bad. I got, I need to, I took it out.

And then I thought, well, I don't even want this. So I just left it on the counter. It's over there, you know. So, but I was going to say what that reminds me of is the, you know, the Romanian wall. It was called the Romanian wall where they had, there was people from Romania or the gypsy wall, they called it too. So people would go into like, and they had video of 7-Elevens and stuff. where people would there would be like

six or eight people would come in in a group and one per and so the person at the counter let's say 7-11 would look and see this group coming in and they create almost like a wall they're just kind of bundled together

and somebody else would walk in crouch down and walk in behind them so the camera you know sees them but the other camera sees the person but this is just this guy's not watching the camera he's watching these people right so they come in

and then they kind of move move through the store. They have kind of a direction where they're kind of walking and moving. And the one guy, somebody says, hey, something to the cashier. And he looks over here. And the person who's bent down, who he doesn't even know in the store, kind of like moves towards the cash register. He's right there.

And so as these guys are talking, he's moving around the cash register. And literally they have videos of these guys where the guy will be, he'll go behind the cash register with the guy and like go into and start. steal like all kinds of stuff that's back there that's hidden while these guys are loud and they're playing music and they're talking and banging stuff and doing this and he's kind of just watching and watching steal stuff go back then they pull the wall back together and the guy walks out with them and all they've bought is like a stick of gum and he walks out with you know whatever hundreds of dollars of cartons of cigarettes or there have been times

where they've gone into the safe there's been times where they said like they took it a gun they got a god how that that even but then later they'd look at the camera they'd be like oh my god and if you watch it you're like this is insane watching that in play the know that that's choreograph because like you have to wonder do they practice that they have to practice right like it's if you watch the videos on youtube and stuff you're just going this is nuts you're almost like how could he not and you're like okay I get it but from his perspective he's not he's seeing it. He's only seeing these groups of people. And then once the guy gets under the

counter, he's done. He would have to turn around and start looking at the videos that are shooting from the other way. And who's doing that? He's trying to see if these guys are stealing. And they are. They're not. They're stealing. They're paying for. They're a distraction. Yeah. Unbelievable. That reminds me. That's, so that's what I'm saying. It's the same

kind of thing. Right. You're just drawing their attention. To a way. And that's a scam. Yeah. Do you remember I shouldn't even say this. Do you remember when we were talking about... I'm thinking Barrington, but go ahead.

No, no. I'm thinking when we were locked up and we were talk about the identity theft scheme where it was like, what if someone stole somebody's identity? like I steal your identity right um which given that you're a man of color would be difficult but let's assume I steal your identity I get a driver's license in your name I run up all your credit cards I then borrow money on against your house the whole thing but I happen to have life lock do you remember this so this was what we were what we used to joke about and it was And then when suddenly you start getting the credit cards, the whole thing, like I would do that because I'm not worried about him.

You know, the worst problem would be that the person you're stole their identity finds out and calls a police. But I know he's not going to call. What's going to happen is once the first credit cards start showing up, you then call the police. Hey, look, I got an issue, man. I got like a $40,000 credit card bill. Someone took my credit card. You call your credit card company. do this and then more bills start showing up.

You start going, oh, whoa, well, I need somebody to come out of it. Like, I got like $100,000 in credit card debt. Somebody stole my credit cards. No, I don't know. I have them on me. I don't, or maybe I lost my wallet, but I didn't give anybody my pen numbers. Like, this is ridiculous. And so you do all that.

You run it all up. Then you find out maybe there's a mortgage on their house or somebody took out a $50,000 personal loan in your name. You're like, oh my God. So we were talking about, like, you run it up to $300,000. Like, it's insane. You're calling the police. but the interesting thing about that was that what we were saying well what you were saying really was you were like but i know what's going on because i can call the police and say well do you have any leads well what's happening well what happened and the police would be like look we're doing it we found this we found this there was a p o box that was opened well who opened the p o box we we can't find the person that opened the so you're going through the whole thing or it was an abandoned house it's actually in your neighborhood what you know but you would know because you would know because

Because at some point, they would be, they would say, look, you know, we're, we're just out of option. We don't know what to do. And you're also involved because the credit card people are contacting you. Right. So at some point, even if there was a prosecution, the worst that could happen is you were saying you would, you could, you could say, look, I'm not going to participate in that prosecution.

I got my money back. The credit card companies paid the money back. And we got the thing with the mortgage taken care of. And I, I don't want to. trouble with who. I don't know who you arrested, but I don't want any trouble with that person. And then being the person, if they did end up getting arrested, I could then say, man, I'm going to trial. And they don't have the victim. They'd be like, Jesus, knowing when the prosecutor comes in and says, oh, listen, this guy's going to show up. He's going to testify. He'd be

like, is he? I can't wait to see him. We had this whole thing laid out. Right. And, oh, the other one was the identity theft, the life lock, was that you could also claim against life lock to say- You could sue for allowing all that to happen. Right. Because, but when we were locked up, you and I thought, and I know differently now, but we thought, remember they say up to a million dollars, it was a million dollars in legal fees that they would pay to fix it. we were thinking that that was like insurance that they would right like they would pay off your credit cards or they would but they won't it's just it's just um they would just um they would just call and file the claims for you which would still be good because because you could still say they could do all that for you you have to do nothing is that what they is that all life lock does is just file the claims life lock and um home title lock they will hire an attorney that will file all the paperwork.

to reinstate your credit cards, get the balances dropped, to, I mean, now, home title lock only does it for mortgages. Life lock only does it for identity theft. Okay. So if you had both of them. Which you probably have to have. Yeah. But you could really insure yourself completely against the whole thing. Yep.

But what we were, when we were locked up, we were thinking they would pay you, but they won't pay you. no no no and you know it's in the thing is too it's like it's a service it's not insurance because they just don't insure you right so but they will pay for the the fees which honestly is the biggest hurdle if something happens like right you're trying to like you got like a 40 50 hour a week job and you're driving back and forth like when do you have time to write all those letters and try and fix all this you know if you're a real victim if you're really our victim like that's the problem like you got to write letters you got to send emails you have to make phone calls like man i'm working till five or six o'clock i don't even get home till 630 right then my kids

are screaming i got to make dinner i got you know like when are you call anybody you got to start taking days off work to try and fix it yeah yeah no so count me out so a couple of the schemes that i admired you know i think we talked about one of them which was the um with the had to do with the kellogs yeah yeah you know and i admired you know what's so funny about that scheme is That came to me at a phone call. My wife and I are sitting at the house and I don't know what we were watching, but somebody called and go, hey, they call up and they go, hey, they got you on television. I go, what channel?

NBC. I go, me? They go, no, they got the kind of crap that you do. So then I turn it over to NBC. And it was a, I think it was American greed. But what was happening, it was showing a guy that was cashing like $100,000 checks. How's that even possible? That's what I was, I'm like, oh, my God.

So what was happening was there was a oil rig. Somebody worked for an oil company in Houston. And this woman was seeing the checks come in to pay the oil company. And what the guy had done was he opened up a similar company with the oil, with the name of the company. Like he went to another state and opened up a company that had a similar name as the company. company that was receiving the checks. So if we were paying an oil company, if we were Matt and Zach's gas station, we might write an oil company a check for like $300,000 for a shipment of oil.

Well, the woman that worked in the office was giving that to her friend and he was depositing it into an account he started that had a very similar name as the oil company. This is what they're putting out on American greed. So like my wife and I were sitting there watching this, right? and we looked at each other like why didn't we think of doing it because here's what's funny here's what we were doing at the time

I'm sorry that's so wrong it is it's a horrible horrible honey can you believe that no it was one of those moments where we're sitting the reason why that happened is because what we were doing at the time is we were

making checks so we would go to mailboxes, business mailboxes, and steal the mail at night. We just look for checks. And what we do is we'd find a check and then I would make a check

payable to someone off of that. I was just looking for a fresh account. So we were finding all these business checks. In fact, one time, remember we found a $100,000 check. Right. I'm like, geez, man, I wish we could cash that somehow.

You know? And that's what was happening. We see all these checks and we just make a duplicate check for like $4,000 or $5,000 and deposit it in an account. with somebody and just get the money out and run that was our whole deal so when we're watching television and they go hey he was actually cashing the checks that he was

getting for the full amount you just looked at each other like can you imagine if we had known this with the $100,000 check like chase what's I was going to say what's funny is people don't realize like you can open a corporation and then you can open up a DBA or a corporation a corporation similar you could say like you know Like, let's say there's, you know, this drink, what? Ghost energy drink. Then you could open up a corporation that says, you know, that's ghost, you know. Ghost distributor.

Ghost distributor. Ghost productions. Ghost energy. Ghost energy, you know, drink two. Yes. You know, whatever. Like, it's like, you know, of Tampa Bay, you know, of Florida or whatever. You just adds anything on to it that changes it subtly. And then the next thing you know, you can go open up a bank account in that name and deposit

it checks, you know, with that name or any, any variation of that name because the banks just don't check. Who it's going to, the address, they don't even match the state. They just look at the name and process. Yeah, I used to have a company, you know, consortium financial services. They would write consortium mortgage. This is people paying me. Yes. They'd send me, oh, consortium mortgage, consortium bank, consortium whatever, you know, home loans. It's like, it's consortium financial services. Sometimes it would just be consortium. You just deposit them, deposit them.

Nobody, the bank never said, oh, wait a second. This is an issue. Yeah. And so it was, so we obviously, we did that, picked up checks. We probably did over $100,000 in checks when somebody called us and said they had a friend that worked in Kellogg's. That was a story that I shared. Yeah, yeah.

And that's how that whole scheme developed. Yeah, we did that whole, we did a whole, that video made got a lot of views. That's the Kellogg video. The Kellogg, yes. So when we called the girl, you can imagine like we were dancing because when we called the girl, I asked her, she goes, oh, well, I work up in the office and I see the checks. I said, okay, well, how much is a check? She goes, probably the smallest check is probably like two and a half million.

What? It's like, I go, it's over. We're done. Our fraud and days are over. Seven million dollar Kellogg's game. Yeah. selling no stealing seven million from Kellogg's yes that just sounds um yeah yeah that got like 70,000 views wow it's not bad for my channel and that was like a year ago that was it we a year ago

it must have been just just before yes right the incident yes the horrible incident so yeah that that that's what led to that discovery because we had we started of all the crap we were doing we added that to our reputor and just started making money and that's when the girl from Kellogg's came into our life and gave us a possibility of getting a $7 million check from Kellogg's.

I remember telling I'm like, we're done. Seven million bucks? It's over. We give the girl a million. Yeah. You know. Yeah, you're not doing it. You know what was so funny is like my mindset back then? Like it was never going to be over. I used to always say like, man, if I just got a few

million dollars. If I got a few million dollars, I would have said, that was easy. You think it didn't know, well, well, yeah, you're right. No, it was. It was, it was the whole, just like that stupid thing I was just making. It's that quote. It's the, there's nothing, there's just no feeling in the world like walking in a bank, handing them a fake ID and some fake documents and then having them hand you a check for $250,000

and thank you for ripping them off. Like, I mean, that's just insane. Yes. And that feeling, you're like, like, this is insane, right? Like, I'm going to walk in there. And then, or even thinking and telling you what a great customer you've been. Like, I borrowed like a couple hundred thousand dollars one time. And I was hate, I would say this because I had a guy who like read my book who came back and was like,

you said you borrowed a couple hundred thousand dollars. And the book it says you borrowed $120,000. It was just like, whatever. I don't remember what it was, okay 150,000, 200,000, whatever it was. I had borrowed it in the name of this a fake, it was a real person, it was a homeless guy.

So I borrowed that money and then, and he had perfect credit. Right. So got to check for, let's say 150,000. Went and deposited it in my bank. And immediately, as soon as I did it, the person goes, okay, thank you.

And they went, oh, you've been approved for a $30,000 credit card. And I went, you mean pre-approved? She goes, no, you've been approved. Of course I've been approved. I just deposited a check for $150,000 in cash. I mean, $150,000 into my account. And I do have perfect credit.

You know, that guy had perfect credit. And she said, all you have to do is tell me you want the card and we'll have it overnighted to you. And I went, yes, I do. A free $30,000 for ripping you off? Absolutely. Hand that over. See, the problem is that's how you and I look at it as a free $30,000.

To them, they're like, It's a credit line. You're like, no, no, no. That's not the way this works. I promise you, it's free. There's no payments getting made. I promise you it's free, but I won't be once they catch up with me. So right now, though, I'm walking up out of this mug.

I got a sports car. I got a hot girlfriend. Yes, amen. Happy going on some vacations right up until they put them cuffs on me. That's right. Then it's unfree. Like, but I'm going to Australia. Listen, if I was a cop, you know how much fun I would have?

I'd be like, with, with a couple of guys that are, like, you know, what they're saying, you know, like, no, no, I, I, I, but I, I can't, you can't arrest me. I, I'm like, stop it, bro. We got you on video. Two of your co-definits rolled on you. You know, damn well, you'd play along. You're like, oh, oh, you were going to Austin. Australia. Hold on.

Let me get the keys to the cuffs. There's no way. You'd be like, come on, bro. We got you on film. It's kind of like my arrest with the, oh, what is your name? Albert Henley. Albert Henley, you have ID? Of course I have ID.

Here you go. Yeah, all right. Anyway. Then there goes another charge. Now we got aggravated identity theft. He just looked at it like, you're good. Wow. Here you go.

Come on. Let's go. Go on Albert Okay Albert Let's go You're going to jail We're not going to arrest Isaac anymore We're arrested Albert guys

That's right Oh my God Good times Getting arrested is not good times Maybe so It's fun looking back on it At the time it's not fun Oh no

It's like everything spins In your head That and the time when you get your time in court. Immediately. I just got a job at McDonald's. Immediately. I just,

I shouldn't have done none of that stuff. Yeah. Immediately regret every single thing. And then, you know, but then you get out and six months go by and you're like, listen, I just heard. Yeah,

but you haven't said you money in jail for the past two years. Yeah, but doesn't mean I'm not, I've perfected it. I've thought it. I've thought it over, I've got it perfected. I'm going to do it right this time. Insanity, insanity, insanity, insanity thought.

All right, so another hustle that I liked, if we get back on topic, I hope you don't mind. All right, another one I like was a guy that was selling clean air credits. Oh, yeah. You know me telling me about that? Yeah, yeah. So apparently there is passed by George Bush, clean air credits for all the companies that spit, pollution into the atmosphere,

what they do is they make them invest in companies that actually take pollution out of the atmosphere. It's just the right thing to do. Yeah. And so they created a, I didn't even notice existed until I watched. Apparently it doesn't exist. Oh, it still does.

No, I'm saying based on what your guy was doing. Oh, yeah. That's what they're probably all doing. You're taking all that carbon and all this stuff out of the air. Come on. Stop it, bro. Like, no, no, we're planting trees. The planting, planting tree.

And for, for poop, people who process or help disintegrate manure and stuff like that into fertilizer, that actually cleans the air, believe it or not. But I'm going to tell you, like the clean the ocean. What's the name of that company that sends out those bags for, we take gunk out of the ocean? Have you seen that, those commercials for them? No. I don't watch a lot of TV, though. Oh.

There's a, there's a, there's a one big company out there that cleans the ocean that they claim to clean, cleans the ocean and they go, oh, we're sponsored by so many, you know, people helping us out, helping us clean. We take donations that most of their money, I heard this on NPR. A majority of their money comes from the clean air credits. All companies that pollute the ocean pay them big time for going out there and taking gunk out of the ocean. So with those, so those things are still around. what it was I didn't know is that there was a marketplace for the balance so if if corporations that dirty up the air obviously have much much more money right than corporations that actually clean the air so the corporations that clean the air actually sell clean air credits to those companies and they have a certain amount that they they need to have they actually fight and bid it's a bidding war it's like eBay for the clean air because sometimes it goes up depending on the domain So obviously the schemer I don't know why I just pictured I just pictured Christi's I just pictured a bunch of corporate fat cats on a stage

You should have seen the episode, bro behind the auctioneer at Christie's and in the crowd it's nothing but hippies They're all like, you badsters, 300,000, I'll go 300, I'll go 280, I'll go 260, you know, and they're, you shut up, Jennifer, you know, they've got their combing their hair and they're wearing flower and it, yeah, you're, you know, making beautiful baby. There's a band, you know, the monkeys are playing the background that, you know, you remember the monkeys? Yes, I love the monkeys, but anyway, yes. This schemer obviously got approved by the EPA. Nice.

But what he did was he rented a place, rented the equipment. I can't even remember how he fraudulently told him he was cleaning the air. They came over, the EPA gave him the seal of approval. Okay. Once he got that approval, he went on the cleaning. He shut everything down. Yeah. Well, he leased the machine.

Listen, when they came and checked him out, he, when he, when he, when he, Because they would announce we're coming in two weeks. Oh, you are? Yeah, I need to at least another couple of machines. Stick him in the warehouse. Get him in the warehouse, sit around back. Get us some hippies out here and some tree huggers to look like we're doing, like we're do-gooders. American greed was cursing them up and down.

Round up 50 do-goaters. Stick them in there. We're picking up trash on the side of the road, you bastards. Exactly. American greed was criticizing the EPA for approving him three times he was. checked out all three times he passed like yeah he's doing it selling clean air credits i told you what caught him was he had this pension for expensive cars he bought like three million dollars worth of expensive he had like a Lamborghini uh not a jaguar but uh um what's the other cat car um

cat car i want to see it's another car that's like a hundred thousand not a Lamborghini but it's another a $100,000 car. I can't know what. Lamborghinis are like three, four hundred thousand. Oh yeah. Ferrari, what, what? May a Ferrari, but he, he,

Margarotti. Maserati, that was the other one. That was the other one. He had, he had about over like four million dollars, three million dollars with the cars parked out by his house. It would be like someone pull in

and you have three million dollars in cars. Like, he was in a regular neighborhood like yours. And you just come up and you go like, dude, the hell is with all these expensive cars. Hey, I'm just living like that. So they call the police.

That's how he got caught. I'm just doing the right thing. Yeah. That's how he got caught. That's how he got caught. The police come and he's got all the paperwork for the cars. And they're kind of like, okay.

And they hands it over to, I guess, a detective or a fraud investigator who kind of runs the guy. And he checks him out. Like the EPA. calls and makes an appointment right he checked them out without an appointment like um i don't know how you're selling all those clean air credit sitting in this empty warehouse but i'm going to tell somebody so okay so no so he told the EPA and well yeah i think they yeah and then they brought him up on he only like when it all came and down to it i think he got like three years in prison

but he stole like about eight million eight or nine million dollars i'll do three years eight million that's what we ought to have a bit they didn't even know they didn't even understand the charge it was it was crazy it was like a unique they had to charge him uniquely because there was really no crime of of what he was doing like false statement type of charge like the 1,001 like the beginning all the charge is making a false giving false information that was a and that only carries three years so I guess they he got nothing but go ahead I'm sorry no I was thinking I was just thinking I was thinking during the Civil War

you know they were conscripting people right so either you had to show up or one of your family right or you could say hey I can't do it I want it you know fellas I want to I'm with you I want to be with can't be with you I got to do the farm I got to do the whole thing but I've got my slave John

he can go for me and they would say okay well put your mark here John and John would put his mark and he'd be in the in the army I thought what if you were super rich and you're going to jail and you were able to say listen I know I got four years I know I got three years I can't go but Matt will do my time for me and then I have to compensate Matt to do my time like bro you know I I would I would I I'm ready to sign up. Like, I'll do go do what kind of person in the custody level. Like, oh, no, you're going, you're going to a pen.

Oh, Matt, how much for the pen? Listen, pen's 150,000 a year, 200,000 a year. And they'll do for you. I'll do four years, do four years for you. But you got a, you know, but it's going to be a million dollars up front in my lawyers. You know, could you imagine if you could negotiate that. And in a way, you're, I think I know what you're going to say. In a way, people do.

You can. I'll tell you an incident that I know about, but go ahead. Oh, I was saying, I was going to say, I sat in county jail one time wondering if it was possible to get someone else to do my sentence. Like I, like you were describing about the you being me. Yeah. Like, like I told myself, how much would it disturb the system if I would allow someone to become me and they just go turn, hey, I'm Isaac Allen. Well, no, no. I mean like, like, like if there was actually a system.

Oh, you mean like a legal system? Legal capitalized, legal capitalized, look, you got to do this much time. You have to give us this much time and say, listen, I'm not going to. But I've paid this service and they're going to provide someone that will do that time for me. And they go, okay, do you have the paperwork? Do you have an SS12 form? Yes. Do you have a 722 form?

Yes. Did he sign? Do I need your driver's license? Oh, I got my driver's license. Like, okay, boom. And he goes in for you. Like, makes me think of Palmer. He'd be.

Right. There are people that will do that. But they would do that. And here's an example of that. A real world example. we used to call this guy the um uh they used to call they were calling him the uh mexican tony soprano there was a cartel member in atlanta that had gotten like 15 or 20 years right like he's got like seven lawyers and this was in Atlanta in uh Atlanta city detention center right ACDC where you could you would meet

with your lawyer in in the unit they would walk in into a room and it was like a glass room like there's a glass wall and well you know glass you know it's it's the metal piping with the thing you'd walk in there with your lawyer or whoever and you'd stay closed the door and you'd sit there and have a conversation um he crews like five six lawyers showed up every time to see this guy he had tons of money his celly just to let you i'm just saying this is the kind of guy he was you know his celly was a black guy that was complaining because his baby's mama's car had broke down and it just blew like the engine blew right and he went he was yeah he said give me your address i'll get her another car somebody drop a car off and he was no man you don't

understand he's like no i understand she needs a car he's like are you serious he said yeah man yeah this is a guy that every time commissary came like his bag was full and three other guys bags were full that he was buying people like that right so meaning he's putting money on other people's um commissary accounts to buy him stuff, and they get 20%. Right. So he, what he did was, oh, by the way, that guy, like, when that whole thing happened, I remember like three days later, he got off the phone with his girlfriend and said, you're not going to believe this.

We were sitting there, I remember we were playing chess or something. Oh, this is true story. Oh, it's true. The black guy came up and he was looking for his cellie, right? His cellie was, I forget, he had been moved for medical. He was coming back. He was like, bro. remember he said he was going to get a car he said Mike I got a phone two hours ago some guy showed up with like a it wasn't a brand new car it was like a five year old like you know acura he's like I mean things got like 30,000 miles on it he was like he just gave it he signed over the title and everything we were like damn like Tony did that he was like yeah you know he had a name that was you know definitely scream mafia yeah no I mean they called him Tony he was the Tony soprano oh but no he had a

Mexican, a Spanish name that was difficult. You know, it wasn't something like Jesus. It was, it was a hard one. So, and anyway, so what happened was, I remember too, watching my Dateline episode with him. We were all sitting there watching the Dateline episode on me.

And I was sitting there just shaking my hand. I kept looking over at him. He said, you're a bad boy. You, you're you know. That's what he's saying. You a bad boy. So here's what he had done. He had paid a peasant, right, in Mexico to come over through the border

and told law enforcement who was there and how much and that he was coming and he had this much dope or whatever in the car, gave him the type of car, the tag, everything. They saw him, they grabbed him. Boom, 5K1. Then he said, so the second, that was one he was doing.

So now he doesn't, now he's already down to like 15 years or something. And he was supposed to get like 25, he's down to 15. He had already arranged it. And he'd been in the jail doing this. He had arranged to have a guy fly over and land at an airport, like a makeshift airport in Texas. And the DEA was going to grab him and he was going to have X amount of pounds of pot. And that guy was going to.

And I was like, how much time is it? He's like, oh, no, the one guy he gets five, he got five years. We make sure he, you know, my lawyer in Mexico makes sure that he has. has the just enough to only get five years and I take care of his family the next guy was going to do 10 like guys are lining up to come to do his time for him so he could get his sentence reduced wow yeah I was just like you know that was listen Atlanta was right but I mean that's the kind of money he had there was a guy in Coleman that got this is a guy who we're talking about he's like one step maybe maybe one step below um el chapo when he was running things

right is actually the person who's running the settle over cartel was el chapo and el mio right and we always says al chapo or chalfo of el mio's low profile he's really the guy that started the whole thing and brought in el chavo the point is is that like one guy there's one guy beneath him and the guy beneath him that was the guy i was locked up in coleman with this is an ac this is another another guy that guy had remember the old photo books you could buy yeah yeah you couldn't sell I don't know about where you were but in Coleman you they stopped selling the big ones yeah too big I know what you talking about but he had the little one or the big no the big it was a big one I know you could only buy the little ones when I was there but there were guys that still had the the big ones huge ones

right yeah exactly like they were like three pictures across and three pictures down back when there were these things called photos that you could actually print out and there actually photos. And he had books full of them. He'd done like three or four years and he still had a few more years to go. And this is the kind of guy that got caught on a conspiracy and got like a life sentence, but had worked it all the way down by giving up low level guys that knew what that was going to happen. Like he sets them up, like they're being set up on purpose. And they're saying, okay, so you're going to load 300 pounds in the in the trunk. And I'm going to drive through here. And they're going to, they're going to arrest me. Yes. And then it'll take a couple

for you to get sentenced to six months for you to get sentenced and then you'll get five years and then we already got sure a lawyer that'll show up make sure you're going to get five years you're only got the you only got the maximum amount to get five you can't get more than five years and you don't have any priors no priors you're going so anyway this guy had done the same type of thing and he was going to a he was at a low already and he was going to a camp he had photos of him in mexico where he had to do like so many years ago he had done like two or three years in Mexico it was insane the photos he had they were allowing him 10 days a month you can have your family come and stay with you in the jail they had a special spot America yeah it was

it was it was insane plus you understand that so many days a month you could have other people come like he literally had prostitutes come in and they're staying the night yeah they're walking him to the cell stay in the night he's drinking he's drinking cores and and and And he's got. America has the, if you talk to anyone that's been abroad, America has the most harshest penal system ever of all of the world. Yeah. Maybe Russia might be.

No, no, because I met somebody in jail in Russia. Well, I've met some guys that, yeah, trust me, there's not in the world. But there's three or four, there's probably, let's say there's five or six other countries that are really rough. but rough meaning so the conditions are the Mexico conditions are horrible right it's like a city I understand they're horrible but in some ways they're horrible but if you have money yeah the freedom is but in some so in some ways it's like what are you talking about you're letting people bring them food and yeah they're allowed to bring so much food they're allowed to bring so much they're allowed

to come see them and stay in the cell with them for three days straight they're allowed it's like that's insane and then of course but if you're poor and you go to Mexico it's horrendous and you're you're you're sleeping in the hallways you're so it depends on what I guess what what type of a criminal you are and what your what your ability um you know to produce you know or have money is um so but I was going to say when we backed the scam sorry well I was I only had two I didn't know if you oh listen the scams that I I admire are like, you know, I do admit, this is where if you remove the victims, you know, I do admire like, Ponzi schemes, guys who do Ponzi schemes, which is really, it's just, they're just blatant

liars, you know, but if you were to set up a Ponzi scheme, here's what bothers me about Ponzi schemes, is that most Ponzi schemes, and I don't mean most, I mean like, like 99% of them weren't set up as a scam. Like they were set up as a legitimate business that very quickly goes bad. Sometimes they go do great for six years, 10 years. Sometimes guys set them up and a year and a half later they're like, wow man, like I'm not good at this.

And where they set it up as a legitimate, let's say, I'm gonna invest, you know, of course the investors always get in trouble like it's a hedge fund. They make a couple of that, they have a bad quarter, then they lie about. it they oh I'll make it up next quarter then they have another bad quarter right they lie about it they have another bad quarter they lie about it then maybe they have a good quarter but it's nowhere near good enough to recoup the losses they've had then they have another bad quarter and they're

just continuing to tell everybody they're doing well and they just keep borrowing and borrowing and before you know it's like so you know how off are you well um you know I've lost five million dollars You know, I'm supposed to have 50 million in, you know, the coffers and, you know, and I don't. You know, I'm paying out this much money because I've lost this much money, but I told people that I made $11 million. So, wow. So you're off by $15 million. Is that, yeah. You know, it's just, and then it just keeps, it spirals out of control.

And then they just try and maintain it as long as possible. So, you know, if you remove the fact that the people that they're typically taking the money from are just regular people. you know, the ability to do that and set it up and maintain it for a long period of time is, is amazing to me. You know, that's, that to me is, is, well, what scheme are you thinking about? Because, you know, like, Madoff comes to mind. Madoff does, what bothers me about Madoff is, you know, like, he did it in his name. Like, he was just, he's just an idiot.

Like, well, he didn't, like you said, he didn't start off. right take money you know um like give an example um the like a couple of the the Ponzi schemes where the guys the i can show you how to do mortgages you know like you know i'm talking about all those people that go take buy my system oh yeah how to um buy houses i'll help you buy houses or i'll put the down but you find the house grant cardones type yes him yeah you know those those those type of Ponzi schemes now those were Ponzi schemes because Greg Cardone's not a Ponzi scheme like like when you're I thought you were talking about two different things like he's not running a Ponzi well he may be I don't know well well there's one that was a Ponzi Ponzi scheme I've seen those

people get arrested all of them like and I never really understood what they did wrong but they said it was a Ponzi scheme and I you know a lot of times a typical here's the thing I've noticed too like I've talked to a lot of this guy Red Bull they said he ran a Ponzi scheme. It was a business opportunity scheme, but they're actually, they would like, it's like people know what a Ponzi scheme is. So a lot of times the newspapers simplify it. Does it make sense? Yes. Um, so yeah, I, I, I hear what you're saying. You know, you know, really, there's so many schemes that I'm just, I'm not impressed by as much as I'm just disappointed by. It's like you had something that was legitimate and you ruined it because you didn't do this one thing. You know, or, I always thought that, really, this was like a legit, like I said, it was a legit. I don't know. The guy was, like, he basically was giving people a credit card. So it was like, hey, you give me $59, right?

And I'll give you a credit card worth $300. And I'll report to the credit bureau. So it's a way to help clean up your credit. Right. And then he gives you a catalog. that you can buy from well everything in the catalog is jacked up

you know it's all like it's this is stuff he's getting from China for $15, $200 right and he's charging you know $150, $200 so everything you can buy is really just it's horrible like you buy one thing and he's not out any money

because he took in 50 bucks it cost him $15 even if you never make a payment then it doesn't matter he's not out of any money at all and if you do make the payment well that's great because eventually he gets the $200 back

the point is that was a got There was a guy in Coleman who had done that. And it was kind of like a business opportunity thing that he had just kind of set up. Right. The problem was he said, you know, I set it up. We started running with it, started doing well, started hiring people, people are calling. We're calling. We're getting people in. We're doing great numbers. He said, but then I turned around and he went to like Equifax and said, how much for me to record these every month.

and it was too much. Right. They wanted, I don't remember the number. Let's say they wanted like, oh, it's like $20 a person. He was like, that's insane. And then they said, well, you don't have enough. If you have this many people, like you have a thousand people, then we drop it from $20 down to this much.

$20 per month. Then they were like, if you do this many, if you have over $10,000 people, then we drop it down to it's $8. Like, you have to have whatever it was. It was an outrageous amount of number. for it to get down to where it was almost nothing, right? Whereas sense, which is where someone like Bank of America is.

Like, it cost him almost nothing to report. Right. But he wasn't there. So he figured, okay, that's fine. At the rate we're going, we'll be over the thousand. It'll cost $8 or whatever it was. I forget the number. And he said, but, you know, but by the time we got to the $1,000, like, nobody was

complaining. You know, he said, like, nobody, like, even people that called and said, hey, it hasn't shown up yet. We were like, well, yeah, you have to make a few payments. before he said trust me we've read he's like like he said a lot of people would just stop paying so it's like they don't say anything at all they don't want it to show up right and he said so six months a year went by right now he's just telling he's just just telling people oh we're reported where are you pulling from where are you like they just oh yeah then and i was like down the downward spiral right but

at this point you could pay he's like i know i forget how many millions he ended up making five six million. I mean, he was just tons. And he's dumping money into it. He's like, you know, advertising, paying this, like, but you're making millions. Yes. You're telling me, you made, if I had a little scheme that I was running that was making me two million dollars, and for me to make it legit, I have to spend a million.

Yeah. Even if I had just a million out of my two. Half. I'll spend the two, the million to keep a million. Yes. Yeah, he wouldn't do it. Wouldn't do it. So within a year or two, it catches up with them.

An average lifestyle. Just a jerk off. You know, and then he gets arrested. And then, of course, they go in front. He's got hundreds. No, I'm sorry. Thousands and thousands of victims. So what he thought was, okay, it's a few million dollars.

I'll do a couple years. Ended up being ridiculous. It was like six to eight years or something because he had so many victims. Yeah. Because do you remember that the federal sentencing guidelines, like, if I have zero to 10. Yeah. They changed it. They changed it now.

But when I got sentenced, yeah. Zero to. What I'm saying is... No, it's five. It was five, wasn't it? No, it was more than 10. Right. No, it goes up in increments.

Well, yeah, 10 and 50. Right. And then it goes up again. It goes of like 150, 250, and over 500, something like that. Like, it keeps going. Oh, wow. When I got sentenced, it was more than 10, then it was more than 50. I think it was up to 250.

Up to 250 or more. They changed it. They changed it for real. I got slam. Well, so what happened with him was... Let me, let me put it this way. Let's say I stole a million dollars from two people. Like, I sold a million from you and a million from you.

I don't get an enhancement for that. Like, I don't get an enhancement for the victims. But if I stole, you know, $20 from 50 people, I get this massive enhancement. It's like, wait a second. I stole next to nothing from these people. people 20 bucks a pop that's nothing that's not going to change their life right these guys wiped someone out and they're like i know but they have more victims they're 20 it's 20 dollars like even if it and it's less money yeah but you have more victims yeah but that's not like their

their logic is skewed but that makes sense to me if if because chances are the 20 bucks are from poorer people and you wipe out rich people so if it was $900,000 from an old retired woman. Yeah, you're right. It doesn't It doesn't balance. They were trying to change that. There was like an amendment that

that I forget FAM had put up or somebody they were trying to you know they never do change them but they were like when I was you know we were getting these letters like hey we're put this is going up they're going to change this and this and this and like none of it passed. The problem with the feds is it's none of it's retroactive. Yeah even if it was

be new people, which, which you want to kind of say, you know, like, okay, so I already stole that money. You know, you don't make anything retroactive. Why? Why have to pay those freaking people that already still? So you're like, oh, well, this is wrong. We'll change it. But we're not going to let the people who got screwed by it. We're not going to unscrew them. So I got caught with a pound of marijuana today. And I got a year. Right. This guy caught with two pounds on Tuesday and he gets nothing. Right. Because now it's not illegal. Yeah, but when you did it was illegal. Yes, but it's now not. Right. I get it. Can we let me, can we make it that retroactive and let me out? No.

Absolutely not. No, you're a criminal. He didn't get it from a pharmacy either. I know, but it's, he got it from the same guy I got it from, you know. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. So yeah, they never made any of those, um, victim changes retroactive. But, But like for me, the Ponzi scheme, I agree. I think it's someone losing control of a specific situation. Like all the infamous, all the famous ones that I know about. It's just kind of like you get off the handle. Do you remember, and I'm going to say this completely wrong,

where it's not even going to be probably valid, I probably shouldn't even try it. But there was one guy that was offering a pill that was supposed to make your penis larger. Of course. Of course I do. he goes hi meet yeah of course yeah yeah and he would do that

it was so yeah you know he got yeah he got busted yes because like I'm going what kind of like when I saw that like I immediately I'm in jail I immediately ran to the law library to look that up because I'm like what Ponzi scheme

could he have pulled off wasn't a Monzi scheme yes it was no because oh it was dishonest it was a Ponzi scheme because you couldn't cancel it right it was just this that's not a Ponzi scheme

you know what a Ponzi scheme is. It's, it's, Ponzi scheme is when you're, you're giving me money where you're taking from new victims to pay old victims off. And it eventually coll, yeah, are you serious? I'm serious. You're killing me. I'm sorry.

A Ponzi scheme is where you give me $100,000. And I say, you're making 20% a year. And you go, okay, but really, I just spent your money on a Lamborghini, you know, and a new house for me. And then when you say, hey, Matt, I need to get $100,000 of that back. I say, oh, okay. Connor, give me $100,000. I'll make you 20% a year.

And you go, okay, you give it to me and I give you $100,000. $100,000 or $20,000, whatever your proceeds are I'm taking from. So anytime you pull it out, pull out, I'm giving you money that I'm taking from Mary Shelley, from Connor, from Jess, from. So other people are paying in. And I'm anybody who says, hey, man, I'm not using it for what you're supposed to use it for. Right, right. So anytime somebody said, you say, hey, I give you $100,000 and it's been five years, it's now worth $300,000. I say, oh, I got it.

Here's your $300,000, but I just took their money to pay you. And when he asked for his money, I'm taken from Bob and Jim and Bill to pay him. And so what happens is it's okay. It functions okay if more people pay in all the time. That's what Social Security is. Social security is people. It's a legal Ponzi scheme. Yes.

Because they're pulling it from everybody's check to pay out people that had paid in originally. Yes. Insolvent. But at some point. Meet Dick and Jane, yes. guy yeah what was so so what you do you know what I know this whole scam well you know what it was you oh go ahead go you tell okay so here's what he was saying what they were saying was well it's a money back guarantee like you pay for it if it doesn't work we'll give you your money back and it didn't

work no no well of course it doesn't work but his whole thing was when people said I want my man I paid 500 bucks I want my five hundred dollars back it's been six months I've been taking this pill I'm out of pills and nothing ever happened my my Johnson did not get bigger which you promised. Right. And he said, okay, well,

all we need is a letter from your doctor showing that prior to you taking the pills, you were this size, and now you're still the same size, and that the pills did not help you. So just get us a letter from your doctor.

You can prove it. We'll give you the money back. Who the hell? Like, I didn't, if you read the fine print, we have to have proof. So,

well, I'm sorry, but I didn't go to my doctor and get him to measure my junk before and after so they're like well I'm sorry then how do we know it didn't work look how small my junk is exactly like so you imagine people are taking pictures here's your money back look at this some people are like this here's your money back does this look like my wife is smiling the way that chick on the commercial right right um yeah so as a result of that

they ended up so it was it was unfair you know business practices it was it was false advertising it was we got to look that up because how would that be even a federal case just uh because he's doing it across state lines he's doing it all over ain't you know still in from thousands and thousands of you know little penis men which needs to be protected which is embarrassing itself you know i'm seeing that all lined up in court yeah i still got nothing yeah it's upsetting i wish what is that what is the name what's the name of the of the the scam right um scam um scam involving making your penis big with a pill Find Smiling Bob loses his fortune and his freedom.

And newsloy's John London has more on the mail enhancement kill scam in this story. It's new tonight at 530. Hi, John. Hi, Cherie, he was blinded by his own arrogance and greed. That is the bottom line tonight from a federal judge who hit Steve Worshack with a 25-year prison sentence and a $500 million fine. If he's still in. Smiling Bob bumped up against the pace of federal justice today in. A case about greed.

That's how Judge Arthur Spiegel puts it. He's giving Steve Worshack 30 days to get his affairs in order before heading for 20-plus years of federal prison. This was the perfect storm of consumer fraud. He had a group of consumers that wouldn't want to come forward and say that they'd been ripped off. Warshak started Berkeley Nutraceuticals, which was rated on suspicion of massive fraud. Federal investigators say consumers were ripped off, $100 million worth of ripping by way

of those enzyme ads. promised greater sexual satisfaction according to the court it delivered deception instead judge Spiegel telling Worshack he preyed on the sexual inadequacies and vulnerabilities of consumers so as to keep massive amounts of money generated by fraud attorney Jim O'Reilly is using this case as exhibit A for his new book corporate criminal sentencing as we spoke the viability of the entire company rested on the size of the federal fine upstairs managements all the time are making decisions that are bet the company decisions

He happened to bet on consumer fraud. He didn't get away with it. Warshak's 75-year-old mother got a two-year sentence. Other defendants faced the music tomorrow. And late today, the Berkeley Corporation was fined. $15 million, those running that have three months to pay it. It is not known tonight if they'll sell or even if they'll be able to continue to operate. This ain't no result.

I'm a newsroom found. I'll tell you when I get home. $100 million fraud. And he did nine years? Nine years. Could you get somebody to do it? it for could you get somebody to do the time for mine was uh my fraud was a hundred thousand dollars i know and i got 16 and a half and my judge feels like that just simply

wasn't enough he's but it wasn't was it no it wasn't enough and on top of that you had an extensive criminal history yes my my lawyer did you see that look my lawyer called me a constant A consummate, consummate criminal. I had to look that up. Consumant criminal. Yes. When I read that in the transcript, I'm like, what the heck is that consummate mean?

Did you go, stop. It means perfect. Nice. I like it. I'll never forget that. I'm reading it in a transcript. Mr. Allen is a consummate criminal. Did you say, your honor, if I was consummate, would we even be having this time?

I was a perfect criminal. We wouldn't even know each other. Certainly wouldn't have been in front of you all these times. Over and over. Like at this point, what's his first name? My, who? My judge? Yeah.

James. Like at this point, you basically walk in and go, Jimmy! What's going on? What have you been up to? You know what I've been up to? No. That's why we're here. Can't stand that.

Let's not go there. All right. Oh, my God. Do you have any other? schemes that you admire besides the Little Dick and guy. You know, there's a rapper name

Little Dickie. Really? Yes. There's a rapper or there's a there's a guy He got a TV show now, doesn't he? Yeah. There's a Black Zach guy too. Black Zach. Have you ever punch in your thing?

This is the first thing that comes up. Oh yeah. Yeah. Then this comes up. then you come up but the first guy is way better mix YouTube like have you listen to the song no why what is it is it one is it one song I mean he's got 18 you listen to it yes it's horrible it's Zanadu quality you've already got more views than him yes yeah

I want to copy him. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Check out the other blackzag, everybody. Oh, it's bad. Oh, it's horrible. I told you that. Look at the booty on that chick.

Look. He's got the glasses? Yeah. I can't dance. Oh. It, it, look. Look at him! Look at him!

Come on, put this up. Get him some viewers. Get him some subscribers. We need him some subscribers. Hold on. Connor. That's actually not bad. It's actually not bad.

Why do you think that's bad? Are you serious? Play that thing. I don't think it's bad at all. It's just good as any of the rap music I've heard. He's got a whole, he loves it too. He loves what he's doing. Here it comes.

Dude, it's horrible. I'm like, what is this? No way. I hope this doesn't get copyrighted. Oh, yeah, he takes it. How many songs? He only has one song or does he have multiple songs? No, he's got a, look, he's, look.

So he's got, oh, no, oh, he's got, look at it. I'll tell them to check out my channel. We should come back to Matt like, thank you very much for subscribe. That's how you should close it out, the other Black Zach. Speaking of illegal,

speaking of schemes, what about the other Black Zach? The guys whose name I stole. Listen, I knew a guy in Coleman that was a concert promoter that promoted several concerts. Right. And then,

and people paid, whatever a couple hundred bucks like i mean radio stations everything and he was promoting concerts for people that weren't like these are artists that are like well what am i going to be in michigan what's going on like he take them and they put the money they'd send in their money and then they would the promoter would take the money and then they would come out and say hey it's been postponed postpone like on the tickets it says like hey if there's you know weather and this and that were postponements you you'll understand and he kept he would postpone it like 60 days another 90 then another 30 then 60 and then they just drop away they just fade out just

and he kept your money right kept your money by that one your money's way gone um yeah so he uh but he did a whole thing it eventually caught up with it he was in coleman with us and when i got out he listen to this i always forget about this this is hilarious so when i first got to that this is a whole sidebar thing so when i first got to the halfway house do you remember how How, which halfway house did you go to? The one on. Tampa. The same one you did. Okay.

So, you know, they were tricked, right? Like, they were like, like, they're checking you. You come in, you. And then they do the. Not thoroughly, but yeah. Rule wise, yes. Rule wise, yes. What I'm saying is when, when, so, for instance, people couldn't just show up.

And like, for instance, and they told you give, you get the little speech when you got there. Yes. Like, if you have, don't, friends come over, they have to be, you have to tell. them they have to sign in they have to this like don't have somebody come meet you in the parking lot right like that's an issue like if they saw you they'd violate you like hey some guy just came by they'd search you like what's going on you stood out there and talked to that guy for 20 minutes and you know that you know that's an illegal this whatever stand there we're calling like they they'd violate you go spend 30 days in the county jail so they to me they were strict

like they had made you clean all the time if you didn't have a job you're cleaning all the time like they made you want to get out of that halfway house as quick as possible So, and I was there for seven months. You know, you were there, you were at a job. Yeah, I know, which I'm saying, you, you, you were on home, you got on ankle monitor right away. You were out right away. 30 days, 30 days. Yeah, 30 days.

I was there seven months. So, were you in there whole seven months? The whole seven months. You never got home confinement? You didn't have a home. Where? I didn't have a home. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Seven months? You and Jess, right? No, Jess got out within 60, 90 days. She was out. Oh. Okay. She had her dad's. Oh, okay.

And the only reason that took so long was like he had to get like a landline. Like, he didn't have a landline. There's, he's in my act. He's got a cell phone. Who the hell has a landline? Right. So, anyway, the point is, is that when I got there, I had been there two weeks. I get there.

I'm keeping my head down. I'm just doing what I have to do. I get there. And probably within a week. guys are walking around one day all of a sudden within like a day or so I noticed guys are walking around looking at me looking at me

and then one day I walk by a guy sitting on the couches remember the couches in the middle in the day room guys watching he's watching my this is when my American greed was on Hulu he's watching it on Hulu as I walk by and I hear the whole and I'm like I look over

and he's sitting there watching it I look he looks up he just smiles and he was watching I was like you know I was like oh man so I then I walk and a counselor not my counselor is actually he was Jess's counselor this black guy he walks by and looks at me he goes Cox so saw you on TV last night and I went on on what and he goes he said on American greed I was like oh man he is yeah yeah you need to hold your head low like he was like give me all he was laughing about it like they were but I say who else has seen it and he goes oh we've all seen it by now

everybody like all the staff member had seen it so that had just happened and now the inmates are starting to watch it right and i'm not saying anything i'm just trying to go to working back right like i don't just started my job so then one day i'm sitting there on the sitting outside on the uh or not outside i'm sorry sitting on one of the couches in the day room playing on my phone or even trying to figure it out and a guy comes up to me this guy that was in coleman with goes up He goes, hey, Cox, you got to come outside real quick. There's a guy outside wants to talk to you. And I went, what?

He goes, there's a guy outside. I wants to talk to you. And I went, who? Tell him to come in. He was in a car. He needs to talk to you. And he goes, you need to come outside. And I went, all right, all right.

So I get up. I was like, the fuck's going on. I don't know anybody. Nobody, the only people that know I'm even here is like Trion and I'm working for him. And nobody's stopping by the halfway. Who knows where the halfway house is? Right. I walk outside.

Remember how everybody used to stand outside and smoke? Yes. There's like 20. Yeah, exactly. There's 20 guys standing outside smoking like this. Staring, the guy that I told you about, the concert promoter, is in a white Lamborghini. With the top off, his girlfriend is driving the car. Blonde, blue-eyed.

I walk out and I see him and I walk over and he goes, He goes, Matt, Cox, he goes, come here, come here. I walk over and I go, hey, what's going on? I barely, I kind of recognized him. He'd sat through my real estate class a couple times. We'd had lunch a few times. Like, I don't really remember him that much, but he remembered me. He said, hey, man, I'm so-and-so.

I was in your real estate class. Do you remember me? And I was like, yeah, man, what's going on? Like, I kind of remembered him. I was like, yeah, that was like a long time. He goes, yeah, it was a few years ago. I told you I'd look you up. He said, I looked you up every once in a while I would go on BOP.

and I saw that you were going to be in the halfway house. He said, I knew it said, Orlando. You were going to be in Orlando. He says, oh, I checked and sure enough you were here. I told my girl, we had to go by. He said, man, do you need anything? I said, no, man. I said, I'm not even supposed to be talking to you, bro.

I said, like, they got videos. Like, you're going to get me violated. He said, well, how can I get you talk to you? And I said, man, I work at a gym, and I told him the name of the gym and this. And I'm sitting there talking to a guy in a Lamborghini in the halfway house parking lot. With all these guys smoking cigarettes, like, what the hell is going? going on. I go, but honestly, I can't. I said, I work at a gym. It's called, you know, Cultus 24, uh, cultus 24-7 fitness. So look it up 24-7 fitness. I'll be there tomorrow.

And I turn around. He's, all right, I got you. I got you. And I walked off. Called me like two days later, two, three days later, he called the gym, talked to me, got my phone number, came by the gym, we talked for a while, pulls up in his Lamborghini. Yeah. I was just like, like, this is not, this is my life. Like, you know, this is insane. You know, I've met a month, since, since I went to prison, like I've met four or five guys that have Lamborghinis. Yeah. You know? I've met two.

Yeah, it's outrageous. Like, I didn't know these people before. Where were these people before? When I had money. You were in a low. Yeah. I'm in a pen and a medium. Yeah, there shouldn't have been no guys with a Lamborghini pins and medium.

That's insane. Those are violent guys. It's none of them. No. one of you introduced me too which was the guy you sent me to Miami for the one with the liquid

Oh yeah Yeah yeah yeah He pulled up in his Lamborghini I'm like what the Yeah Yeah Good times And the other one is

Who does my daughter's hair Oh okay So yeah Now these are all like prison guys With Lamborghines Yeah Well no no not all of them Well you know prison

Prison is the great equalizer you know yeah absolutely it it because um you conrad black was at at coleman low yeah and he's a multi-billionaire yeah oh i've met a there've been a few billionaires listen i've i've met like three guys i want to say some i think i feel like it's three guys i know for sure it's no it is i think it's three guys that worked at that worked at nassah three guys that worked at nassah that were all in there all of them pictures. I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I don't know what, if there's a correlation there,

but the fact that you meet one person in real world that worked at NASA is odd. Like how often does that happen? Even if you lived in Florida, that's odd. To meet three, listen, the, the military dorm, my buddy Pete said the military dorm out of the entire military dorm, there's like 32 to 35 guys. that don't have charges for pictures. Out of 150 guys, there's, what,

close to 120 that are there for pictures? I just saw that. I just saw it in the paper the other day about a raid and with the pictures. Didn't I show you when I got the message where it comes through, like, hi, my name is such and such, I want to talk with you?

No, I get that all the time. I get, where it's just a random text. It's like, hey John or hey Sally and you're like this isn't Sally oh what's your name stop it stop it I don't know what you're doing I don't have time for this foolishness I wouldn't even I don't even respond to those I'm talking I get a text message or or a messenger request I told you about that one time and like hi I'm 16 and I'm like oh my god right no I don't get that far like I have gotten well no because I'm like oh she's pretty let me get oh oh oh oh

I just got a random text just now. Probably coupled with a picture. My name is John. No. To me, all that that's in entrapment. Yeah. Oh,

we got to put those out. Get the hell out of here, man. I read somebody, I read a case with that happened to some. I'm trying to remember what was the circumstance behind that. I remember a case that there was a first time that like the guy, because supposedly in the federal system, entrapment is not a defense.

Like they don't want, they don't allow you to say, I was in trap. I was in trap. Simply because that's what they're doing. Because that's what they're doing. Like, they hate it when you use what they're doing against them. So, so this is a guy that owned a piece of land that was right next to a piece of a federal park, right? Like a national park. And the park wanted to buy his land.

And he, for 20 years or something, he refused to say. sell it and suddenly some new park administrators had come on board and they were talking about expanding the park and they were like well this is the park that we want and they were trying to say we're going to take it and he was saying you don't have to have it like you can't use eminent domain to take my property it doesn't benefit the public enough that you need it you've already got 400,000 acres of you know of land like it's just stupid and he wouldn't sell it And so suddenly he started getting these emails for a website for pictures. And he, you know, he deleted it.

And then it came again two days later, deleted it. Then another one came and deleted it. Then another one came. And every day, we're talking about every day, four or five a day of these emails saying to visit the website. very specific saying what it was this went on for 90 days this guy this guy like it was something like close to

a thousand times deleted it finally one day he clicked on it he said I didn't know how to make it stop I'd hit the note stop to unsubscribe I'd this and they showed they proved it he'd done all this

one day he finally clicked on it he clicked on it and it's something basically he said I flipped through some pictures he said very quickly maybe five or ten pictures he said got off the website

click the unsubscribe and deleted it thinking maybe that will work like it was kind of it was something along those lines he's trying to finalize it like get rid of this there was like a 60 minutes about this only reason I know it it was like a 60 minutes 60 minutes or 20 21 of those and so and I could be botching the story slightly but what ended up happening was

he gets arrested like three days later They indict him and come and arrest him. And during the negotiations, they're telling him, like, hey, look, like, you'd plead guilty. You know, like, they're trying to get his property. They're trying to use seizure to take his property. He's saying, what are you talking about? Like, seize what? That has nothing to do with this.

And I don't even know what happened here. Like, I was trying to get rid of these things. So he goes to trial. Even those lawyers saying, you're done, you're done. People have no, they're not going to look past the fact that you clicked on it. He goes to trial, and he wins. which was insane because he did click on it and he did look at the images

and that's all the law says but it was enough that his lawyer had put together enough of a defense to say it's outrageous how many times they hammered him and bombarded him with this and so he was able to win an entrapment style claim and he ended up winning

and they showed also that they were that the FBI was targeting him very specifically like yeah they were they were trying to get him hemmed up so that they could get a hold of his land somehow get some leverage. Now they were never able to get a specific person or anything but it was pretty clear and that

he ended up winning it. Good. Right. But you know, like you said like, but that's... Surprised he didn't end up going to prison anyway. Right, but that almost never happens. So I'm saying, the idea that he could win that defense, it almost never happened. Never. So that's an example

that... I tell you another time, a guy was buying a guy I knew a guy that and this was pretty well documented too this is like totally off the subject but anybody watching this that's watching this far would probably be interested the point is that this guy had

he was buying credit card information and the guy said hey what about getting some pictures I think we all know what kind of pictures we're probably about and like I said hey man I sell pictures I sell videos I have pictures of this and he was like oh bro I'm not interested in that I'm trying to get you know you advertised on this website that you had credit card information like that's who he thought he was contacting right and it somehow or another he it wasn't that like they were they

were like well we don't have that he ended up getting an FBI agent that was getting this up doing that you know and trap trying to get people to be interested in this other thing so he ends up saying no no no no and finally the guy says I have bootleg videos of new movies and I have the credit card information you want. So he says, okay. Well, so he says,

well, the bootleg videos were just like bootleg videos from movies. So he dropped the other thing. And then they sent, he bought it, they sent it to him. He gets it. In the information, they had put, they had put

like JPEGs of photographs of young guys. people. They indict him, arrest him, they come and arrest him, grab his computer, he's got the images on there. They showed that he did look at them for a few seconds of peace. But in his mind, he said, did I look at them? Yes. He said, I didn't know what they were because I told him over and over again, I wasn't interested in that. He did take a plea, by the way. He ended up taking a plea because he said, I was so, my lawyer was like, you're so screwed.

Because the law says, if you simply have possession, you're already guilty. They go, and you did have possession, and you did look at the pictures, and you looked at them too long. Like, if you look at them for more than, like, four seconds or something, or six seconds, there's a length of time for you to look at it. Realize what you're looking at is wrong and delete it. He looked at it for longer. And then, and he didn't delete them. They were like, so it's still on your computer. You didn't try and delete them.

You're guilty. So he just took a plea. he got like i don't know what it was five years six years whatever it was for just a few yeah let's see see like and people say like well what do you guys you get so freaked out if somebody's trying to send you a message or hell he'd talk to bozac bozac's like he's like anybody that tries to contact me that i think is even remotely too young i don't it's like boom no no no they sneak up on you i have a um a buddy my old sally that on his facebook page he sent me a couple of them i'm like I go, what is this?

Oh, this is my girlfriend. I'm like, hey, don't send me any more. Yeah, anybody that looks even remotely. Yes. And what's so funny, too, is like, you could be 25 years old and send me a picture. 25-year-olds, to me, look like they're 12. You know, like the older you get, the younger everybody else looks. So some girl said, oh, I'm 25.

I'd be like, this chick looks like she's 12 years old. You know? So, yeah, I could imagine me. Because I heard these horror stories, horror stories. Well, you, like, I wasn't around them, too. The ones I was around were probably success. They weren't just picture watchers. No, they were creators.

They were, uh, didlers. We had the, we had the hand. Diddlers on the roof. Yeah. Hands on and hands off. Yeah. You know that dude, you were talking to? Yeah, you know he's hands on, right?

Oh, man, are you serious? No, no, no hands on would be there at all. Oh, at your place. At your place. No, at the low? At the low. Yeah, they were there. The hands-on?

Yeah. Yeah, these are guys like brought somebody across state lines. I told you, didn't I ever tell you about it? But it couldn't have been a full rape. No, this is a low. Right. That's what I'm saying. Oh, I don't know about the full.

This is somebody who made the attempt or was actually showed up someplace. Right. The ones that I saw were absolutely hands-on. Oh, yeah. Oh, well, listen, there was a guy in Germany who flew from Germany to the United States thinking he was meeting like a 14-year-old. year old boy or something flew all the way there and it's legal in germany by the way like the age of consent was like 14 the boy was 14 he flies all the way over here gets arrested says hey i haven't done anything wrong i was in my country they said you flew to the united states

he then goes to the german uh consulate and tries to get help they wouldn't lift a finger for him he's like it's not illegal in germany like i and i didn't do it and the other thing is in germany like you didn't do anything to him is like i just showed up i didn't do it that in Germany, you would have had to have done something. They were like, nope, 25 years. America, when America tells them like, like, we're keeping this one, you're, yeah, the consulate's kind of like, oh, well, there's nothing we can do. Yeah, it's crazy.

Yeah. I don't, anyway. I mean, not that he's not a weirdo, but. Is he a weirdo? I mean, you know, you get to a point where it's like everybody's a weirdo. I said, everybody I met was just like odd, you know, it's like everybody, you just meet people he's just I you know it was so I hate to say that I would you know started to try and figure out what people's charges were like I you know and they would lie you know they always use fraud

they always say what we hear fraud and you mother why can't you say something you could pull off because you know very quickly it's like oh what kind of fraud um credit card fraud you were charged with credit card fraud yes chargers charge that actually said credit card fraud yeah it was credit card fraud. Because there's no federal charge for credit card fraud. So it had to be access device fraud. It had to be like, like if you're going to lie about my field of expertise, learn something. Research.

That's right. Like you can't say like, you know, cannabis. I was receiving cannabis in the mail. Say that. You don't have to know anything. Well, you know, I will give them credit. Like, if they're at the low and they're saying fraud, that's actually secure. level appropriate because most of the time drugs are medium and up right there were some guys

would work their way down from the medium right to the low but yeah I'm pretty for drugs they probably feel like they get called out for drugs too fast anyway yeah well I don't think they it listen it doesn't matter you talk to these guys for for 10 minutes and anyways after 10 minutes you're just like no man I don't mean even if you talk to talk like I'm sorry bro I don't believe you you're not a drug you're not here for that yeah you don't know what you're talking about. I got all the lingo that.

Stop it. I've been watching them. Yeah, get out of here. You can start. Bro, it's all I think about.

The ones that you envy? Is that what? Oh, listen, I hear scam. Are we recording? Yes. Okay. So I hear scams all the time.

Where I see it. I read a little article or somebody tells me about their scam. Or I'll see a, I'll see something on the news and it's just like oh man like if they just did if they didn't the problem with most people is you read this scam and you're like that's a good scam like what went wrong like he did it in his own name yes or he did it in his sister's name or his one of his buddies like what are you doing and or and then it breaks down where you're like why didn't they

just open a bank account in somebody else's name or in a fake person's name or in a you know a homeless person or whatever's name and dump the money in there and remove it and And you're like, well, and then I always have to remind myself like, bro, not everybody, and this is going to sound arrogant, has your skill set. Like, not everybody can figure out how to get a driver's license in somebody else's name or an ID or whatever. Not everybody's multifaceted where they like they just have a scam and they like a pit bull and they lock on it. Right. They're like, I could probably make, I could probably make $10,000, $20,000 on this not realizing, okay, you could make $20,000. Yes.

But three months from now, you're in front of a judge. or you're just getting handcuffed and you're waiting to be in front of a judge. Yeah. And then you do six months or a year and now you're on your probation and then you start looking back on it and you go, Jesus, God Almighty,

for 30 grand or 20 grand. I just put a year in jail. I just put a year in jail. I lost all my shit. People never realize like, going to jail, who gives a shit? I don't give a shit. I'll go to jail for fucking six months.

If I can come back where I left off. The problem is you're coming back. You've lost everything. And what's even worse is that The people you know are the ones that took it. Yes. Like nobody came in and boxed up my shit and stuck in the storage unit, even in their garage. It's pilfered.

You get absolutely robbed. Everyone's taking everything. You see somebody two years later and you're like, hey, Jimmy, what? Is that my shirt? Maybe. I got it from Goodwill. Yeah, let's start this. All right.

What are we doing? Do I start? Yeah, you're good. Okay. What else? That's it. End this. What's up?

Is that it? Are we done? We got the video. You got the Black Zach video. Oh, I love the Blacksack video. You should contact Blacksack. I will. Can I use, like we could do theme music.

We could cut that up into. Throw that thing. Hey, this is Matt Cox. Did you change it to? Hey, this is Matt Cox. And I'm here with us. Zach and I appreciate Zach coming on. I don't think he even switches it

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