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Episode Date: January 2, 2025

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Hey, enough! These guys, I don't know. Can we talk about just having me and my eyeballs? Walk back to myself. You want to do good game plans? Do either one of you have a game plan? Oh, absolutely. Not really.

I mean, but we can always on the fly. We do have game plans and it involves podcast. The Six, the Crime Chronicles. The Six Game Plan is the Crime Chronicles. Chronicle. It's the Chrome Chronicle. Okay. That's your.

I think if I got one fourth of the Matt Cox fucking commitment, we talk about it. Like, you are fucking at it. You are at it. I'm looking for stuff on YouTube. Matt Cox is posted again. Coming up in. Cox done posted. Coming up in the TikTok searches.

You were here something funny? Is I would say, and because Jess says this all the time, she says, like, Like every time we go out, somebody recognizes you. And I always think, that's not true because people don't say anything. But Jess says, no, no, you don't see it. We'll be standing there waiting and I'll see people hit each other and be like, yeah. And they'll sit there on their phone. But I'm not, I'm sitting there, you know, I'm do what you do?

Or I'm in my phone, not even paying attention. She's like, are you wearing the same black shirt? Pretty much I have like 20 of these. Because I can see mentally, I can see you everywhere. He feels he has to. He feels he has to. I just won't let me wear the one that has my picture of black shirts he's got I'm Matt Cox I see the picture I say I have so um but we went to so I would say it is it's not that much

but it's 50% of the time when I leave somebody does say something to me so we went on New Year's Eve we went to um Christmas Eve or this is oh yeah you're right Chris sorry Christmas Eve Christmas Eve, we went to Outback Steakhouse. We took Jess's mom to Alback Steakhouse because she took her mom to see her daughter. So the next day, they went for a couple days. But we went there that night, took her out to dinner. And while we were there, a guy came up to me. And it's funny because he had my picture.

He had one of the TikToks, Frozen, where was my picture. And he goes, art, is this you? And I went, I said, yeah, that's me. He goes, you're Matt Cox. And I went, I said, yeah. And he goes, bro, he said, I watch all your stuff. I'm sorry. He's like, I saw you here.

I didn't want to bother you. And then Jess had already left. She'd already walk, gone to the car with her mom. So I'm just paying the bill. And I was like, I was like, I was like, I don't want to bother. I said, no, bro, absolutely bother me. I said, I'm, I'm good. He's like, man, can we get a pair?

I said, let's get a picture. Fuck yeah. I think I took a picture with him. So yeah, I think he said, can we get a cell? I said, absolutely. And so we take a picture, everything, shake hands. Let's go. He's like, I watch your stuff all the time.

He gave me his business car, the whole thing. So then I leave. I get home and I check my Instagram and another guy said, yo, bro, this might be a little random, but were you just at, you know, at Alpac Steakhouse? He's like, I didn't approach you because I saw you were with some people. He said, but I could have swore that was you. And I said, yeah, that was me.

He's like, yo, bro, I didn't want to approach you. I, God, I wish I'd know. But I didn't want to interrupt. I said, absolutely. I said, interrupt me. interrupt me bro i said you're the i said i said you're the reason that i don't have to have a real job i said absolutely interrupt me i said i will immediately take a i said take a photo with me tell me whatever say hi whatever bro i said absolutely okay with you interrupt me next time you see me i said stop me

and he goes man i appreciate bro cool i'm glad you like that yeah so so that was twice just going to dinner so i i and i think that makes me feel good because i know because what that tells me is like it's working like you've got the stuff out there it's working and never believe that whole somebody had told me one time one of these producers or something that would option your story like well i'm not sure about you doing all these you know being like like i see you everywhere and i don't know if that's a good thing i feel like you're maybe getting overexposed like what like nike like is that too much exposure like listen you know i i i don't have a problem i need exposure for people to see it and people

people to that that's what's getting us use and and so yeah absolutely and being available right so i mean i i i bro i love that we go to we go to um to eat breakfast and it's so funny one time because we were jess and i were eating breakfast and and i get this all the time we're just guys will walk by and they go hey hey what would the guy do the other day he says hey bro he's i love your stuff he goes and i go oh man i appreciate it he goes see you know he's like and i didn't think that was like a thing No, he's done that. See you. So that happened.

And then, you know, somebody else, one time I remember we saw like a bus boy. He kept looking and he talked to the hostess and she's looking. And then this was recently too, probably a couple months ago. They're looking and looking. And I kept thinking, Jess goes, you know, I think that she's like, I recognize you. I said, I said, he'll probably wait until I leave. I see he probably doesn't want to say anything. She was like, he goes, yeah.

And then sure enough, we get to get up, go to move. And this girl that had never looked at me stood up and walked over and she said, Excuse me. She goes, are you Matt Cox? And I go, yeah, I am. She says, my dad loves you. She goes, every morning I wake up, you're on our TV. Just, can I get a picture with you?

He'll, oh, my God, he'll be so, he'll be so jealous. And I was like, absolutely, just goes, give me your phone. You know, and the bus board never said anything. But the point is, is like, like, it's. Any comments about your height? No. No. We definitely looked tall.

We did have the one guy come in. We had one guy walked in. He goes, wow, what do he say? He's like, wow, you are short. I was like, you said that to somebody. Oh, I've said it to people. I'm a really, really guy who said it to me too, though. He came in because I remember standing right in the hallway there.

And he goes, wow, you are short. Like, I know you talk about it, but you are. I thought from a motherfucker. Yeah, he preps people. You prep people for it. Like, I am a short motherfucker. Yeah, it's interesting seeing the people, because some of these people that come on the podcast, they fill out the forum in the description by the way

are like big fans and they just come in here and they're just a name or they're like I cannot believe I'm here I'm sitting across the table It's a celebrity where we know celebrity Hey I brag on him like he's a celebrity I know Matt Cox what And you know what's so funny is like

Colby gets to be around me all the time For nothing For nothing he doesn't appreciate it I'm sure it's not free He doesn't appreciate it at all He doesn't get paid to be around you He has no appreciation I balance it out

because they say you know mega yeah I'm like yeah fuck them yeah you know all that you know he's short right he's everywhere whose podcast I did the other day the guy was like well here you've got a podcast picture podcast and I was like yeah honestly there's better shit on YouTube

I said there's some great stuff on Netflix I said there's a lot of great documentaries you can be watching you could do better than watching that was Roman Atwood yeah yeah Oh, you started laughing. You know, these guys start, they start, like, what the fuck? Well, because here's what happens is at the very end, like at the end of those things, almost nobody's watching.

By the time you start talking about your YouTube channel, like they're dropping like flies. Like it's just, you know, so me saying, yeah, check out my channel. What am I going to get? We're going to get nothing. I probably got more by saying, eh, you're better off watching something else. It's just a bunch of talk. You know, I'm going to see what this guy is a funny. I got a better chance of you viewing to see that kind of funny.

comment then absolutely bro check out my channel no no i tell you we're past that so what are we doing this podcast on because i this was that was that was that was that was six minutes of the podcast right there yeah i'm i'm i don't know i don't know where to go with my questions i think i've seen comments say that sometimes they just love to hear you guys cut up you know what i mean just talk about whatever honestly yeah it'll be packaged around 2025 new years maybe but just guys just talking yeah yeah what's wrong no no the lenses and you're not getting any of this in that and which one zax the in the um in the wide yeah no it's tuned in some good lighting right that's some good like he's barely it is i just thought for sure like it was no it's the lens oh wow

okay it's the lens not the fit of less is whatever not the screen i thought for sure The screen was like it was hot. I guess it is. Okay. That's fine. I moved it. I thought it's got to be in the front. Anyway.

It's a good shots. Thank you. A good shot. So those exact. 2025? Yeah. What's in, what's 225 for you?

25 is a big awesome here. Awesome. Well, once we get Matt's attention back. I mean, I'm listening. The 2020. So I have determined,

because I haven't received my letter ending my sentence, I'm determined that January 1st, 2025, I'm officially off of supervised release. You're off, you were already off on the 19th. I know, but I mean, I want certification. So 2025 to me represents not have, so this is big for me, and I'll talk about that when I do my podcast about my sentence being over, but it represents me not being afraid of,

of Judge Whitmore. So, because that, that's a constant thought in my life every day is him. But, um,

so it means that now I can visit, like my friend April in Atlanta. I can leave without asking permission. Um, I can take the little money I saved up and maybe buy a car and have car payments. I think I'm there. Did I know April? Yes.

Yes, you met April. What kind of car you have now? You have a, I have the Cadillac that I bought. What's wrong with the Cadillac? It's nothing. wrong, but my daughter needs a car.

Oh, okay. Well, I thought, man, you meant buy one for you. Oh, yeah. I was going to buy me one and give her that one. Okay. Well, I want to, I want to try car payments. But, like, I would have to ask him, you know, and me being me, I was stubborn and I never paid my full

restitution. And so I told him I didn't have money. And therefore, whenever I asked to buy a car, he's like, no, you don't have money. So it represents, I don't have to ask any more to purchase a automobile. I can actually start looking and buy a car.

You will be free. Eyes is free. Eyes is free. As is free. So, I don't want to, I do, I have made it like every Tuesday and Thursday to visit his office and do

podcast. We talked about that. We talk about different subjects. I've, a couple of more people that I was in prison with have been released. So I've been wanting to interview them. So I am committed, even though it's unbelievable to doing more podcasts in 2025, building up my channel. Doing more.

It's not like you set the bar very high. You need a measurable goal. Is it one a week? Yes. And this is going to be on camera. We had me down for two. So I'm off two days a week. So we had me down for two days a week.

I was going to go to his office and we were going to do a podcast. But what happens is he's not that app that's setting up the camera. So I would get there and I have to pick my daughter up from school, which me buying another car would help me with that. So I don't have to be anywhere at a certain time. So I get there and he's not a set up and then we'll start. And then five minutes into it. Can she drive?

Yes, she can drive. Why don't she just drop you off in the morning? You spend all day there doing. He's in Temple Terrace. Yeah, but she can drive the car to drop her, go to school. then she can pick you up. Well, he's in Temple. That's like 25 miles away.

Oh, okay. I don't know where our school is. No, our school is five minutes away from the house. Four miles from my house. The house is like 25 minutes from where he's got his little studio. But she still do it just out of the car. Of course. Oh.

Well, if he had a car, then I don't want to ride on that motorcycle. He said, I hug him too tight. He said I hug him too tight when he's doing 100. but look stop Roby I was just that's a

boziacs that they get around in those tuck tub no that's not no

the little mopeds like you're supposed to jump on the back of some guy pulled up and you jump on the back

like and Bozax like yeah I'm not okay can only ride those with they ride

mopeds yeah yeah you can you only ride those well bozags

not gonna hug him he's gonna hold it he's gonna hold it by the shoulder yeah

you're imagine you're driving the guys. Cup him. You're looking out. Is there a gym around? You have to cup him. You have to cup him.

Everyone should have a motorcycle. I agree. It's a matter of time before you get to an accident. Those type of people shouldn't have. If you ride. Everybody's going to get in an accident. You got to take your pocketbook off and get on and ride it. No high heels allowed.

Like if you're worried about fucking, you could hop in your car and get into. What car? I don't have a car. You could hop in your Uber. Stop. Even if I get into an Uber accident, I'm not going to fucking get me. Oh, my God. I'm not going to get hurt the way you're going to get hurt.

Oh, my God. That job, the job where I was doing insurance. Uber, Uber accident. So, you know what I heard there was a scam going on with Uber accidents. But for some reason, I think Uber has been paying a bunch of money for people who are in their cars and get an accident. Like they've been covering, covering their medical bills or something. with some kind of scam going on. Hey, we're in the middle of a podcast.

I want to hear what you guys think about this video. I'm asking, but, uh, do you pick cotton, $350? Yes. $350 an hour? $350 an hour. How long do you eat? It's $350 an hour. I'm in there six days a week.

Sun up, sundown. And you best believe all my PTO. And you best believe all you back. I'm going to get back on vacation. Okay? That's what you're still in for you. I'm getting $3.50 an hour. I need a lot of condogeant.

That's the bullseys. Put that away. I'm getting three days on my fingers. I'm getting through my fingers. I'm going to do with my fingers. I'm going to look at it. Think about it. That's what you're paying for.

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The bad part. It was the condition. It was the non-payment part. The lack of compensation. A lack of compensation. The aggressive whipping. the dehumanization all that came with it

but if I have HR and all locking in I'm asking for that I sent that I sent that to you do did you did you see I don't think you I just got it off of your

in I sent it to you I got it off yours I don't think you appreciate you're saying live I did not see that it's on there

what's the date he's one of those friends doing he's one of those who doesn't care yeah you send them i need you to react to stuff that i yes at least so i can know that's what he told me one time inappropriate something anything there's a iPhone literally just hold it in there's reaction right here it was uh it was um December 23rd this is you look Isaac this is him send it to you out of your feed yep you don't care what do you have to see for you so i might have missed it he might have me a barrage there wasn't a barrage it was one i don't hit you with typically hit you with

maybe one maybe two i don't typically do three or four in a day because i know the likelihood you're going to even watch them he doesn't hit me with three or four in a day what is it okay well may have been excessive i got i got that might be what it was because i don't have Instagram, so I have to figure out how to go through and load it and watch it. I'm like, Trump's playing with kittens or something. Yeah, it's all, but I'm like watching them and then I try to react,

I try to react. Guys, because it used to be, like, Matt taught me video sharing etiquette. So like one day I came over, like Matt would send me these videos, right? And then one day I came over and he's like, dude, what the fuck's your problem? And he's saying it just like that. I'm like, what?

He goes, I send you these freaking videos and you don't say shit. I go, when I watch him, he goes, my motherfucker, you a ha-ha, make a comment. You don't say shit, motherfucker. So I'm like, oh, I didn't know I was supposed to respond. He goes, what the hell do you think you're supposed to?

He goes, at least if you don't want him, say stop. You know what I? Exactly. And so then I start responding to the videos until every once in a while, he'll barrage me. Here's six. And then I'm like, have to

reply. And I'm like, man, fuck that. So I'm sorry. I just remember that when you were talking. Because you were talking about having to put out so much content and stuff. So I'm sorry I got off. Oh, about the cotton kicking. I thought it for $3.50 an hour. He'd be putting it out.

No lie. Yeah. He's right. Because one time you showed me what you're making, right? And I'm talking to Mello on the phone, right? And I'm like, yeah, Matt showed me. Mello, he's making about this much per month. And he's like, what the fuck?

He goes, dude, what are you doing? Exactly. He goes, if he's pissed at you, I understand it's like, motherfucker at some point, do a fucking video. He's like, for those numbers, he's like, that's the basis of all conversations. Do a fucking video, bro. What the fuck's wrong with you? You don't even need like the two days. You need to set up one, set up like four interviews or three, three interviews in one day.

Oh, yeah, knock all. Yeah, I promise you one of those guys, one of those guys is it's showing up. Right. So if you set up three in a day, just like two hours here, two hours here, two hours here, two hours here, and then if you get close to the end where let's say it ends up being like, you're like, oh shit, it's, it's going to be like, I got another interview in like 10 minutes. This guy's not done. Just say, hey, can you hold on one second? And then you just text the other guy. Like, bro, I'm on another 30 minutes.

Just push it back. Push it back. So let me ask you this, Mr. End. And you can use Streamyard. Yes. And we paid. for the stream yard it's a 350 maybe 300 a year though yeah it doesn't matter we paid for it yes they did you get it for free for free he gets it for free like I wish when I started I had a friend

like me yeah I'm glad I have a friend like him you know Danny said to me yeah you figure it out you got an iPhone that was the help Danny gave me good advice but he didn't push it on me You know, I was like, yeah, but I don't have editing software. There's free shit. Nah, that was it. But that was free shit. Yeah, he was like, there's free stuff. So you got, you're going to, you can do it on people doing it on their phone.

You know, he didn't, that's why I'm always like, it was good advice. He didn't really, really break it down. Like, no, you don't understand. Like, the business model, although it sucks, because the problem is you're starting off with, whatever, $300 a year or $300 a month. And you say, okay, $300. a month on a, let's say that $300 is a, the first year, I don't know, 150% increase, right? But let's say a 200% and whatever, let's, it's really more than that.

Let's say it's more like a 200% increase. So, and it's really more than that. That's very conservative. That's not your numbers. Your numbers are huge. Right. And certainly could be based on the few months that you did actually produce a couple videos. But let's say conservatively, let's say it's, it's double. So it would have gone

from, you know, let's say by the in the year, we're going from 300 to 600, right? That's the problem. The problem is you're looking at it like, fuck, it's only $600. Like in a year from now, I'm going to be making $600. I understand. But the problem is you're starting with $300. If you looked at any business and you said, by the way, I can double you. You, We're going to double your business model every single year. Nobody wouldn't do that. The problem is it's $300. If it started at $3,000 and when you know in a year was going to go from $3,000 to $6,

you'd be like, okay, I'll do it. Because to you, $3,000, $600 in a year from now is nothing. Right. Right. So that's the problem is that you're not realizing that the next year is $1,200, and the next year is $24, and the next year. And it costs very little to do. It costs you nothing but your time.

You could set up three interviews in one day, and if you were doing that every day, it made it like a, hey, I don't go, sorry, Doc, I don't have, I need an appointment on this day, on Tuesdays. Why? Well, we're off on Wednesday. Yeah, but Wednesday, I have this. I have another job. I have to be there. There's another job. I already have appointments set up. And I only set up on Tuesdays from here on out, and here's your Tuesdays. And you just did that. You would get to a point where you'd be able to put out to a week that were about close to two hours. You would. it wouldn't it would quadruple it wouldn't be it'd be from 300 to six from it'd really be monthly six to whatever six to a thousand or 900 900 900 to 200 to 1200 to within six months you'd be making a couple thousand within a year you'd probably be making four thousand dollars within 18 months I don't need a job and that's when it really happens because that's when you really go okay now I don't need a job so now I don't have to just schedule on Tuesdays I schedule three days, four days a week. Right.

Like now, I know a guy, I don't want to say his name, he was making 50, he was doing Streamyard and he was putting out two videos a week and was making $15,000 a month. That was it. That was it. I guarantee he doesn't have the watch time you had. Some of our highest watch time videos were when you were on. So that's what, you know, that's why it's irritating because it's like, okay, you're, you're working where you're working.

and no offense to idiots out there, but any idiot out there could work where you're working right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, anybody could do that job. I've seen that. They're neighbors. I'm actually attracted to one. Make me a hot dog.

So all you've got to do is pick one day a week. And I'm so far off on those numbers. Because even Colby will be like, even when we've talked about, oh, within six months, he's making a couple grand a month. Within six months, easily. That's what, I mean, you saw the numbers anyway. Within the second month, was it 600 or 300 or what was it? I can actually pull it up.

Oh, no. Yeah. Bludgeon today. So, I mean, and I could talk like, I've been, now I've stopped watching the news. I started watching series. So I could talk about different series and just a lot of different topics. Yeah, but that's the whole thing. You don't even have to, what you really have to talk about is just talk with

other criminals. Other former criminals that will talk to you. And that's not hard because every one of these guys, he knows two people. Those two people make no two people. And once it starts going, people are just sending you stuff, yo, bro, I want to come on your pocket. You know, bro. And they really just want to see you interact with somebody. That's all. And let's figure it, 80% of the time, if I'm interviewing somebody, 80 to 90% of time, they're talking. 90% of time. So what happens when we're on here? Well, when we don't get 80% of it. But you're not telling me your story. We can squeeze.

You got to tell me a story. If you're telling me your story, like, I'll bet you when Dalsy was here, I probably talked 3% of the time, you know? I couldn't get it. He's, he talks right over it. He's like me. I told Colby going in. I said, oh, this guy talked right over you.

I said, he's like me. I said, he absolutely just interrupts and talks right over me. Like he's, and he's loud. He's way, he's way more aggressive and louder. So it's like I have to just sit there. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Do you remember this? And maybe he lets me tell a little story.

And we jump right back into it. But that reminds him of another story. Right. But that's what I'm saying. That's all you guys have to do. That shouldn't be difficult. You could do it on stream and you could do it on stream yarn. And it could, did you ever look?

Yeah, it was a, so you made the channel altogether made $1,700 and it's probably been over a year. And I would say the, what was the, a thousand of it was in the first couple months when everything was consistently posted. Couple months. Yeah, and part of that was the second month when you didn't post anything or anything on down it. We're still making residuals off the first two months. Yeah, if you look at the lifetime span of the revenue, all of it's in the first from March to like August, like when all, when you're consistently posting. And the thing is, yes. I know.

That's what, yeah. That's what who got me with that. He's like, dude, like fucking do a bit, sit down and do a fucking video. When it really, really started working was when we got, we got to the point where it was just covering my bills. And I didn't really have to do anything else, but do the content. Now, I still did because I'm a workaholic, right? Like if somebody says, hey, come talk at my convention and I'll give you $4,000. You're like, what are we talking about?

Why am I not on a plane? You know, so yeah, I still do stuff because I can, this is, I can, I can always shove something in there. you know but if you can get to just if you bust your ass to get to that point where you can where you can get it to pay your bills then you can double down and and just knock it out where you're going so you know then you can double down once you double down then it then it goes it does you know it goes from this this little you know that slowly going up to you know and you have the ability to go on other people's podcast and tell your story. You just come up with an hour version and a two-hour version. So you know, okay, in the two-hour version, I tell

this story. In the hour version, I don't tell that story. You just come up with the stories or you condense them. I'm not going to tell the whole story. I'm going to condense it to this. Right. And so I got an hour version so I can go on the programs that want to do an hour, and I can go on the two-hour ones that want to do two hours. And then you go walk in and So what do you guys usually do? And they're like, we typically try to at least two hours. Okay. You know, that's the story you're going to tell, the two hour person.

I'll just expand on this one. I'll also mention this. I'll talk about this. And that's it. Yeah. And I would just, I would try to, if you could commit to doing that one episode a week for an entire year and just know, like, not worry about the views or the money, just the process. I think at the end of the entire year, you'll probably look back and be like, oh, wow.

Like, it's hard to predict when episode's going to pop off or what's going to do well but it's like sometimes like sometimes I come out here and the guest doesn't show up but I know it's just like that's just part of the process sometimes I come on here and there's a guest that sit down and in the video makes $10,000 so it's like all those things are just part of the process that averages it out I like I like the concept you gave me about um just talking about my time in prison because I've been doing that on the phone yeah exactly I talk to people about you have to watch that it's just what it's the the the grace of him going over that water.

Yeah, it was on the camera. But just talk about my time in prison because how I got from Coleman, like the legend I am at Coleman because of the day that they went and rounded everybody up, I think you were gone. I never even told that story.

Yeah, I had, I, because we missed each other by just a few weeks. I went to the low and you showed up to like two weeks later. And they came and they questioned you about what I had on on. And they also went and questioned Tara. Like they went around and I learned that they were trying to build it. And that's a story. That's a story because if someone goes to Coleman, they're like, yeah, I heard about that.

That was you? Well, especially too, because you can even expand it more because you can explain what the tax scam is. It was not even a scam. No, I'm not saying you did a scam, but that was what they were concerned with. Oh, right. So you can explain, first of all, here's what was going on in the street. That's a 10-minute explanation. So you think to yourself, yeah, but that's not what I was doing.

It doesn't matter. That's what they thought you were doing. So you tell that 10 or 15 minute part of the story as background, and that's 10 to 15 more minutes of content. Right. You know, so there's times when I'll be talking to a guy and you know the story's wrapping up and I'll start throwing in like, oh yeah, bro, that reminds me. Yeah, yeah, I actually knew a guy and I'll tell that story in it, and it's five minutes. and you think, yeah, that was relevant, but you didn't have to say that. No, I didn't.

But he was wrapping it up and we're at 50 minutes. And I want at least an hour. Right. Because we're not posting anything that's less than an hour. So then I tell that story, got us an extra five minutes. So guess what? Now he tells us another five minutes. Then he says, yeah, yeah, I'm with the prison.

And I got it. So with anything, what happened in prison? Oh, well, what was that like when you got out of prison? Did you go to a halfway house? Like, I don't care if you went to a halfway house. We're trying to get over an hour. The guys are walking out the door like, yeah, bro, like I could tell, like, you really are concerned about how I'm doing and I appreciate that.

Stop it. Stop it. I need an hour. When you're interviewing, what, how do you, because I know you don't go off a note or anything. I don't have time. I had a guy the other day who's like, yo, bro, I'm going to send you my book. I really appreciate it if you'd read it first because I like you to know what the story is. Your book, how many pages is it?

It's 300. There's about 300, 300 pages. Okay, is that 10 hours of reading time, by the way, for someone who can read. It's probably 14 hours for me. But for someone who can read, it's about 10 hours. So I interview four to six people a week. If I had to read six people's books, that's 60 hours, really 90 hours for me. But let's say I'm a good reader, which I'm not.

60 hours and six interviews of two hours apiece. I'm just fucking like who the fuck do you think you are that I'm going to read your fucking you wouldn't you wouldn't even fake it out and just say like yeah yeah yeah send me the book I'll take a look at it I've had people I'm like yeah I'm gonna try and get to it I'm trying to get to it like I'll say I'm gonna try and get to it but I don't get to it because I can't get you to it's no good anyway for me to know your story if you can't tell your story don't come on the program I'm not gonna pull your story out of you understand what happened you understand the story you want to tell I'm gonna jump in there and try and help you guide you along the story but Yeah, but you understand that the television interviews are just that because they'll go like, I've read your book, Jane, and this part, they don't like mention certain parts. But that's a 10 minute interview or five or 10, you have two hours, three, four. You want to spend four hours on it? Let's do four hours. Colby will trim it down.

Yeah, but I don't want to, I don't want to ramble. Ramble, tell me about your childhood that means nothing, has nothing to do with your overall story. you know, you can tell me about an interesting story in your childhood, and Colby will get, we'll look at it and go, yeah, yeah, you know what, that 15 minute story he told me about his aunt dying of cancer, that it never really tied in. I understand it was sad and everything, but people are going to turn, are going to click off. So clip, clip, boom, 15 minutes is gone. Thank God this guy went for three hours. Colby has taken four hour videos and turned them into an hour and 45 minutes just by chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop. So tell me everything. Colby's going to trim it down. He's going to come up with what he thinks works. And so far, it's been a working recipe. Luckily, I love the stories where the guy comes and sits down. When you told your story, you came and sit down. And I probably, out of that two hours and change, talk for five minutes, maybe 10.

The best interviews are the ones where I sit there and go, right, right. Like, if the guy's been to prison, I did 10 years and I got a pretty good story, you think, nice. He told the story for 10 years to all of his buddies. he knows what they reacted to he knows the setup he knows when he told this one story one time and everybody's like right right right okay what happened then you know last time i told it everybody he knows his favorite stories right and how to i set it up different last time yep okay then the next time he told it he went ahead and mentioned this and everybody was ha ha ha ha and he's like it's right because i didn't this time i said it like this he's told his story 60 times in 10 years

he knows how to tell it. So I love this ones where they sit down and I get to go, right, right, but then what happened? Right. Well, I thought he was with you. Oh, that's right. And that's all I have to do.

The whole time I barely say anything. If I'm typically talking, maybe it's because the guy mentioned something that made me think, oh, okay, you know what I do? Like maybe it is relevant. Like, yeah, yeah, I did meet a guy who was locked up for a Ponzi scheme. Yeah, yeah, he told me exactly the same thing.

Oh, what kind of Ponzi? Oh, yeah, it was a bumo, when I tell it real quick and keep going. Or maybe I try and say something that helps support what you're saying, you know, because you said something and I thought, hmm, I think the way he said that, it doesn't sound like that's something the government would do. And people are going to be in the comment saying, that's bullshit, bro. The government would do that. So I'm going to go ahead and give him an example. Really, it's for the viewer.

Right. That no, no, no. Oh, yeah, yeah. I actually knew a guy that got arrested and they found a bullet in the toolbox that was in the back of his car. and he ended up getting a armed career criminal because they found a bullet and he's been like yeah what happened to me so yeah bro i could never believe that saw his paperwork i was like that's insane he's like no bro i'm telling you and i'm like and so what did you have a did you have a gun bro i bought that car two weeks earlier two weeks before that for 200 bucks 200 bucks i'd never cleaned it

out it was trashed it was 200 was a running vehicle for 200 or a thousand whatever he paid for it they pulled me over they searched the car they found a fucking bullet wasn't even my mom I got 15 years Get the fuck out of here Why didn't you go to trial Bro, I'm not going to go to trial They were going to give me life They're going to give me life

I'm going to get life Or I take the 15 I took the 15 So now that helps support your story Because it's what you said How you ended up And they and the reader The viewer doesn't realize

Think oh bullshit bro You know that was your shit bro You know no no that happens I've met a guy I met a guy I know you've met a guy Right So that's the only time

I want to jump in there, either to get time or to help support the story. Or sometimes I might even say, yeah, yeah, yeah, you sent me the fucking, you sent me the indictment. Or, oh, yeah, yeah, is that part of this stuff you sent me? Because people will send me stuff. And I like to throw that in there, whether I really reviewed it or not. Or I say, yeah, yeah, I read the article, because I probably did read the article. If they send me an article, because I don't even read it. I highlight it.

And I put, no, I highlight it. And I push speak. And it goes, on January 7. January 17th, 1995, you know, Broward County, yeah, Broward County arrested three people for an armed robbery and they reads it to me. And you want to get, and you want to get Matt's natural reaction to, and it was this guy the whole time setting me up. Like you don't want him to, he don't want him.

If I already know, I don't ask, I'm not going to ask any questions, you know, and I'm not going to be shocked or because I know, I know, yeah, yeah, I know he's telling me right now, but I also know that, you know, he's telling me what happened, but I already know that it was his best friend that set him up. Yeah, and that gets tricky when I've seen you sit down with someone that you've been in prison with. Matt and the guests already know the story. And I'm sitting here trying to think, as a viewer, they're going over details that the viewer doesn't even know about.

So it's good that he's somewhat left in the dark. And he at least knows where it's going, but you don't know how you get there. Like the guy, like, Dalsy, I knew 25% of Dalsy's story. The guy that came that I was locked up with, did a podcast the other day, and I knew some of it, but luckily I didn't know all of it, because

my reactions were so, it was so over the top, like to the stories he was, if I'd known them, I wouldn't have reacted that way. Because I'd have been like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the guy that says, oh yeah, yeah, that would have been great, but yeah. Are you laughing at his stories? Well, you had to, bro. They were fucking hilarious.

And he does the voices, and he's hilarious. And he's, and he, he was super. He knows how to tell us. build up a story he's like he's like talking about uh getting a penthouse in Atlanta and he's like I got the sky view window I got the car I got this I got that everything is going everything is working and then at this very moment yeah at this very moment Matt he's like building up everything came crashing down and like so he like that's how

he like tells the story but he's yeah so what about the the leasing like the not leasing agent she was a sales agent yeah that that really didn't didn't want to show him like she didn't really want to show him the place right didn't really want to show him the place like you know he walked in he's a black guy in Atlanta and she's kind of like and he's he's not really you know sophisticated looking yeah well well first of all he has a scar down his face right he looks like and you know he looks like he could be a street guy and he is kind of a street guy, right? Like, he's been a street guy when he was younger, right? He's just kind of evolved out of that when he started doing real estate. Yeah, real estate. So, but he's still,

he's got this fucking scar. I mean, he looks like, and he's a, he's a big guy. And he comes in and she didn't really necessarily want to show him the place. And then she shows it to him. And then he comes down. He's like, okay, I'll take it. And she's like, it's this much. He's like, yeah, I know, I'll take it. And he's like, look, I'm going to give you a thousand dollars to earnest. She's like, sir, I'm not taking a thousand dollar earners deposit. People put down $10,000, $20,000. Like, yeah, I know, but I'm going to put down $1,000. And I'm going to, she's like, I'm not taking the, he's like, you have to take it.

You know, so he has a whole disagreement with her. And in the end, she, in the end, he calls the owner to get, call her to make her take the money. And so she takes the money. and then he said I'm going to buy it for your price in like five days or something was it five or ten days or something I'm going to buy it for the price you want

on the on the contingent that she doesn't make a fucking dime she didn't take the money she didn't this she didn't that so contingency he said that yeah yeah that she you don't pay her a dime she didn't take the money she didn't write the contract she didn't this

so the guy he ends up getting a deal with the guy and then he does buy the project and he says so every day when I'm walking there every day she sees me he's like so the first day he walked in he's walking and he's like and she's just like no not neighbors this is a salesperson on like a 900,000 or 600,000 she would have made what was she made if she made 3% that's you know god knows that's what 40 50 grand because you wouldn't take a thousand dollars you wanted me to put up you didn't think I was serious so but it's a whole you know what I'm saying he had a whole presentation but that's the great thing of it yeah the guys that have been in prison they tell know their stories yeah they've been telling them forever so all you got

to do is interview guys that have been in prison so it doesn't take any work on your where do you get the the people where do you get the people from prison well no because they're in prison from Instagram I mean Instagram or friends of friends you got to you got to start asking for do you know somebody yeah know anybody that will come on the podcast yeah in the beginning it was a lot of Matt just knew these guys. Oh, I know this guy. I know this guy. Oh, this guy knows somebody.

This guy knows somebody. And then as it continues to grow, you'll start to get inbound messages. You'll start to get emails. You'll start to get DMs. You'll start getting people that are contacting you instead of you trying to fish out guest or, you know, scrape by for content. You know what I mean?

And you might have to, there may be times when you're like, man, I got, you know, it's good to have some in the hopper, right? But there may be times you're like, I got nothing. I've got nothing, but the most important thing is consistency, but I have nothing. So you just get on there yourself, right? That's right. You get on yourself. Man, I got on there.

I went and I read two articles about some chick, and I'm going to read the article, and then I'm going to say what I think she did to get what she was doing. I'm not positive, but this is what I think she was doing, and you talk about it, you drag it out for 45 minutes to an hour. Maybe you do two articles on fraud, and you drag it. drag it out for an hour, which to me, that would be,

it'd be tough, but you could do it. And you throw in some of your own stories in there. Ryan's because I used to do this, and it ends up being about an hour, and then you post that video.

Is it a dog shit video? Yeah, it is. It is. So what? You're starting a fucking channel. Nobody's watching to begin with. What do you care if 400 people watch it? What do you care?

What's important is... It starts adding up. That's an hour. That's another hour. And you've probably got a couple probably got a couple of people that that subscribe because of it. And the biggest thing is consistency.

YouTube's algorithm said he said he's been putting stuff out on Tuesdays and he put another one out on Tuesday. And then at some point when you get enough that you've got a little bit of a backlog and you say, you know what I can do? I'm starting to get a check for, I got a check last month for $1,200. I think if I were to put out two of these,

I'll bet you in two months from now. now, I get a check for $2,200. And $2,200 is my rent. I could even take a day off work and do more. Really? So you start to see it and you're like, oh, my God, this is happening. So then you go ahead and do that again. Now I can really make an effort to try and get some people.

I'll start, I'm going to start hounding people. Hang on out at the jailhouse. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You need a right home. Come talk to me about it. Zach can mail in business cards to guys that are leaving. Like, hey, you know anybody is leaving?

Got a good story? Give them a business card. Yeah. And that's it. You know, you just do that and you, you, you, it starts to work. Next thing you know, that's your thing. It's definitely, it's like this level of commitment. It is because you have to work for nothing for a long time.

You have to, yeah. But you have to work. I mean, I'll say, even if it's for the money, like you're putting in the calls, the denials. It's just like telemarketing and you get nos and yeses and dealing with people. You're opening home business. Yep. That's exactly what it is.

You're opening your own business. It's a business. You're running a network. That's what you're running a network. You're running a network. It's true. Matter of fact, you're running a larger network than NBC, CBS, and ABC had the ability to run back in the 1950s, 60s, 70s and 80s. Oh, with exposure.

Worldwide and everybody has access to it. and they're all holding a device in their phone, in their hand, right? How many people in the 50s or 60s, when NBC was going, was putting out, you know, putting out, um,

whatever the Tonight Show. How many TVs were there in America? Because that's all it was was America. It wasn't, it wasn't everywhere. It's just worldwide. And I'll bet you there are 60 to 80 times as many cell phones right now than there were TVs in the 1960s.

80, that's like 100%. That's just in the United States. This is global. In the 60s, I don't think there was any cell phones, but... No, no, I'm saying TV. I said TVs compared to cell phones now. Yeah, I'm positive. Think about this.

As far as reach, on average, or maybe even a little bit on the low end, because this was just yesterday, 28,000 watch hours on the main channel. That's 1,100 continuous days of, just people watching the channel and that's just for one day for one day yesterday and and what that is it's a accumulation of 100 200 two hour interviews that people are watching so yeah it just keeps yeah people people are still watching stuff that we put out three years ago oh i didn't send you that

comment with a this this uh subscriber sent me that said i just finished i saw that for two i just over the last two year every i would finish watching every single episode you put out in the last two years. Did you send her a cookie or something? No, because it was a woman and I was a woman. Oh, she 33? Was it the one that said I'm a third PSA or like PSA or I'm a 33 year old woman? Whatever, yeah.

Yeah, which which that woman should thank you. Is that how is Jess? I mean, Jess is 38. And 30, she just turned 39. Sorry, she just turned 39. And yeah, so the fact that the woman. the fact that she said that in there, it wouldn't have gone well.

There was no good response. There wasn't even, hey, I think I did. Maybe I did send something. Hey, I appreciate it or something. Thanks so much.

Keep washing. Something very, very benign. And then pray that Justin's. And to Jess, it felt very inviting. That's not benign at all. Do you love her?

Have you? Wasn't that you that sent me that Mrs. The Marvelous from, from I can't even think of the name of the platform that you always send your videos are from

Marvelous Instagram Instagram Yeah it's that woman The crazy woman That's like crazy about her husband Her husband has a big thick mustache What's her name?

What is her name? I don't know It's marvelous something She's so funny Oh yes She's a psycho And now she's pregnant Like I was watching like this bitch is crazy

Oh my god And her man is just like Whatever you want baby Whatever you are shakes his head The funniest one is when she says She goes I don't know his name like Rick or something like that Or what let's say

Let's say you know Rick She's like she goes You still in love with your Or you still you still In love with your first love, she's still in love with her? And he goes, yeah. He's because it's you. She goes, you fucking lie. I know who your first love is. She said, she goes, she's a, um, she goes, homemaker. Yeah, she's a nice homemaker, a good girl. No toxicity in that bitch. She makes

fucking, um, she breaks, bakes bread on the weekend. Yep. You could have had a good life with not an ounce of toxicity in that bitch. You could have had a good life, but that's not what you signed up for, is it? That's not. I mean, it's so insane. And he just sits there. Like, oh, my God, it's crazy. I've watched a bunch of hers. Oh, yeah, she's hilarious.

You identify. Oh, she's a lunatic. I'm like, this bitch is a lunatic. She's hilarious, though. There's a comparable couple like that on TikTok that's very funny. It's like where this woman is threatening a guy, but that bitch is a lunatic. I love her. I love, oh, my God.

Are you attractive? Oh, my God. She's a lunatic. And she's not even that, I mean, she's pretty, but she's not that pretty. She's got a lot of strong features, but that probably explains how she talks. She's a tough chick. Oh, my God. That poor guy, that guy, he's talking about doing time.

He's doing some time. And then I wonder how real, I wonder how real that is of that relationship. You know what I'm saying? How much of that is just staged talking? I don't I mean those are great though Oh man Her name is the marvelous

She's it's marvelous something Marvelous Nancy or something I don't know You don't know I'm telling you And he doesn't even like I don't fucking know what this bitch is No I've seen a bunch of hers too

Because I always show them to Jess We laugh and laugh Oh Jess laughs at those She's hilarious She's like I love it She's hilarious She's like That's crazy

That's crazy And I like That's what Jess says Yeah, well, you know, so crazy. What you know what's so funny about Jess is that she genuinely, out of every chick I've ever dated, is the least crazy chick I've ever dated. Really? Really.

Like, she's not, you know. She seems very. Yeah, she really isn't. She has a spike here or there, but she also will say something crazy. And, of course, I just laugh, most of them. I'm just laugh because I know, I know that she's, you know, whatever. I don't know what's going on. You know, you're getting a little bit, a little crazy.

And she'll get, oh, you think this, and then she'll stop and I'm laughing. And it makes her more mad when I laugh. And then she goes upstairs and then like five minutes later, she comes down to her, she's like, look, I might have been a little crazy earlier, okay, and I'm sorry about that. But you made me mad, you know, and I'm like, I know. And she's like, but, you know, that was probably out of line. That's awesome, you know, and I'm like, it's fine. That's awesome that you have somebody that can catch.

Can relate to all that stuff. Oh, yeah, because the other ones never. They'd never admit that they had made a mistake or that they were. That's the basis of the whole. The one you went on the run with. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, she was just bipolar.

That she was bipolar. What was funny, too, is that, like, it's always like, like, two days later, Jess will come right now. So she's like, this, this couple here. Yeah. What's their name? Look. Okay.

Have you met that one? No, I've seen a bunch of hers, but theirs are all staged. The other chick that she just puts the cell phone that sent it and says, I got a question for you. And then he'll walk in, she'll go, I got a question for you. And he'll be like, oh, God. Are we doing a TikTok? Yep.

So listen to this. I want to know what was such a he'll be like oh my god I don't know I don't know what I did I don't know why I said that well what are what you thinking she gets all upset so so what are you so what are we doing what are we doing are we doing 25 no I know but I mean what are we doing 2025 we got to get to six here soon oh oh yes what is your plan my plan my plan is working I've got it I've written I'm working on a plan right now I mean It's pretty much essentially what the same thing we're doing, but to focus on better guests.

This is going to say my plan. Colby's got my plan. Better stories and better quality. I found it. Better. Better guests. So you guys, you guys enjoy your,

I'm just kidding. Yeah. By better guests. Yeah. By better guests having more volume. Like, so we're sending up automations where people message them and we directly send them links. Fill out this form.

Fill out this form. So instead of having 10 people to shoot from, we have. have 50 guests to choose from so we can pick out the best stories and then like when there's trending topics like the guy getting shot in new york or the drones flying over you mean you're CEO yeah yeah like those things like I need to be actively seeking out you know quote unquote experts that could talk in those subjects because some of our best performing videos this year were stream yards about ditty and it's because the the masses care about it like I was showing my dad

the YouTube channel and he's like oh man diddy that's that's a that's a good time And my dad has no clue about any of all this, but he sees Diddy and he, and he knows. And your dad knows Diddy, that's the beautiful part. Yeah. So he's like, yeah, I don't know. I wanted to mention, because we had talked about this is that when the CEO thing happened, I, I tech immediately texted like probably the next day or when I realized it was starting kind of be big deal. I texted Tom Simon.

Excuse me. I texted Tom Simon, which is a retired FBI agent. that we have on. And I asked him like, hey, can you, would you like to do something on this, like in the next few days? And he actually, he's like, I can't because I'm leaving for three days. I was like, okay, what about next week? He is can't. I'm going to be home for one day. I have to catch up work. And the following day, I'm leaving for wherever he was going for four days. So it was like, I was like, okay, well, maybe something else will happen and we'll have you on. But I mean, it's trended down at this point. I don't think they had even caught the guy yet when I

texted him. Well, they caught him and, like, there's a bunch of hoopla about him. No, I know that. But I'm saying, I was hoping, I've got a retired FBI agent that has hunted guys down. And it was like, hey, how great would that have meant for us to talk? We can once talk about the whole, what happened, what do you think happened? How are they going to try and catch this guy? That's an hour.

And then we could have put it up. But you didn't have enough time. But we need a group of experts that we get our go-to guys is what it. Or quickly, like, hey, can you do a podcast? tomorrow because we did do a we talked about it with a lawyer and we did packaged it it did well and then we posted a TikTok one TikTok alone got two million views and made over a thousand dollars just a 60 second clip of him talking about that subject it's because there's so many people interested in it so finding experts trying to find experts or really making sure we're making

videos about along with people's stories making videos about these trending topics that millions that people are interested in as long as if it's somewhat into the you know crime genre right so his yeah so i'm sorry you're good so think about it the lawyer's video made 900 bucks two-hour video well whatever it was hour and i don't know what it was hold on uh yeah two hour and 20 minute video made yeah nine hundred dollars but the short made a thousand actually made more like 1,500. Wow. So,

yeah, it was, saying we were talking about the, the guy. And that was a very small, very, that was actually

in the back half of the podcast, but since I knew we were going to top title of that, I took that 20 minute segment and moved

it to the very front. So they start off talking about that, and then they transition into all these other different things. Wow.

So, yeah. Hey, I'll tell you something right now is we had a guy, this is a perfect,

example of someone of the difference between getting somebody that's high profile that you think is going to do amazing and then just getting a regular guy I'm not going to play it but look at this guy dad

yeah who is it dad so it was the salt and you know who I'm saying he was the salt and pepper banded him and a black guy and a white guy were robbing beverage castle beverage castles you know the one you drive through all around here robbed 15, 20, 30 of them

26 or 27? Yeah, and he, listen, he was hilarious. He was, old guy. You thought he was, at least you thought he was something special but he said, no, no, I'm saying it's a difference between like somebody who can tell his story

it doesn't have an amazing story. He's a robber, he's robbing people. And somebody who maybe stole a hundred million dollars and you think, oh, this guy's going to be amazing. Like, what a great, what an amazing story. Yeah, but he can't really tell it. This guy can tell the story. And it was hilarious. He was hilarious telling the story.

Funny, great. Doesn't have to be over the top. That's what I'm saying for guests. Right. Doesn't have to be an over the top guest. Doesn't have to be somebody who's polished. He damn sure wasn't polished. But he was very self-aware.

He's like, you know, and. Yeah, I remember I got that money. I got that money. I'm like, well, that's a lot of money. Yeah, I don't know. We smoked that up. We smoked that up. Yeah, we got some rock.

We got some rock. And that rock, you know, so like three days later, that money gone. That money gone. We got a rob. So then we got, you know, we didn't have. I'm like, so what did you do? We didn't have a gun yet. Now, we just walked up with a pain and a bite.

Like, get that. You know what I mean? He does a whole thing. We were like, this guy's fucking hilarious. He's like, country. great yeah great yeah great no no no we smoke that up

yeah no we smoke that we stay in the hotel you know get some hookas get some hose yeah yeah I mean he's the whole thing like I'm like like when he said way he said it yeah oh there's the opening clip he's like

I think he's talking about when he's in prison like he's getting stuff he's like get some hand get some wee get some eh and this guy yeah the way it's funny

but that's what I'm saying like you don't have to when you're find your guest, you don't have to find some amazing over the top. You can just get some normal people and they'll have a. Yeah, some normal guy that went to prison for five or six years. Like, he's got a story. Yeah. You know, you get six years in, in Florida State prison or the feds or something. You got a story. You can talk for an hour about it. And sometimes I think with Matt, it's the class, it's the clash between their personality and yours. The fact that you're kind of like, okay now can you can you kind of white that up a little bit or what was the guy just a tad not much

the irish guy oh yeah yeah i don't know what he was saying like half time i'm like i would look and you would i'd be like he he yeah my my ma ma who oh we my father what he said mother mudda mudda muddha he was like what are you are you saying muda my mother my mother and my father and it's like oh your mother and your father Okay, okay, go ahead. Remember, bettid? D-Roh method. What was it? That's how you say it, D-Roh bett it.

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Keep the fun going Yeah What are you saying? What is it? Method method Method Method Oh yeah

Yeah But that's what you're saying But that was like a five-minute thing At the end of the conversation But a good dynamic is Matt And the FBI agent They both Broke

I He You know Yeah he just He doesn't He doesn't find The FBI agent Yeah

He's a retired FBI agent And we've had a few of them, and he's a recurring guest, is that it bothers him. And he'll say it. He's like, your, your empathy for these criminals bothers me. And I'm like, empathy, talk about it. What are you talking about empathy? I said, what about that guy? I said, you have no empathy for that guy.

He's in prison. He's a widower. And he's like, he killed his wife with a hammer. I said, still, still, you know, he's a widower. And he's, I mean, he's a victim. And he's like, I mean, that his, because he is very much a straight man. You know, if we were like a comedy, I would be the funny comic and he would be the, the, the, the straight man. Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like the devil and the angel on your shoulder.

They both, they both, and he did financial, he, he did financial crimes. He caught financial crimes. So it's like, he was, he was investigating financial. Yeah. So he breaks down the crimes that he solved. And Matt's over here like, well, like, can you blame him? I don't even think they said, I don't even think that's illegal. really shouldn't even be illegal

should he's like yes it's illegal yeah you don't find I was just stealing from the bank everybody does that that's what nobody does that that's not a crossy victimless crime is that really

shake his head financial crimes are a it's weird because like coming from our side and their side because they believe it's illegal what do they call it access devices if you set up to accept credit cards

They're like, oh, that's possession of access devices. Like, enhancement. Yeah. What? Like you say, I don't even think that's illegal. Or what they consider wire fraud is anything. Anything. I'm trying to think, what were we talking about?

Or was that you and I talking about what wire fraud is when they had the wire fraud charges? Like, how broad is that bullshit? Money laundering. Money laundering and wire fraud. Wait, I'm like laundering money. That's like when you're trying to take. Dirty money and make it appear clean. No, no.

For tax purposes. Just removing money out of the bank. They consider money laundering. Money laundering. What are you talking about? Like, I got a credit card in somebody else's name, and then I withdrew money out of that credit card from an ATM. Money laundering. Money laundering.

How the fuck is that money laundering? That's what they were saying. Like, I was opening up bank accounts, and then I would borrow money and stick the money in the bank, and I would remove the money from the bank. And these people don't even exist. and I'm going to remove the money and they go, that's money laundering. How is that money laundering?

That's just stealing. That's just part of the fraud. That's bank fraud. Bank fraud and money laundering. And money and wire fraud because they had to wire that money in the bank. So, Jesus, God, Almighty. Like, what are you doing? Move that money from one account to another account is considered wire fraud.

It's insanity. It's insanity. The broadness of it. And so I could imagine talking to a financial crimes FBI agent because he, His concept is like, that's clearly a crime. He's disgusted with him. Listen, Tom Simons is disgusted with me. He would have to leave.

He's reoccurringly discussed. His audience is disgusted with Tom that he would sit down with Matt. Yeah, they give him a hard time. How dare you go on this man's podcast platform and give him the validity of having a decorated FBI agent? like how what are you thinking what do you it's like that's what they tell him that's what they tell him what's his view of that it's fine he's like some people like some people don't i'm all right he's like he's like you're he and he's he said he responds like you know he's a reformed uh a reform you know con man who's making an honest living but you know there are some people like it doesn't

matter what you do or how much you reform it doesn't matter you broke a law when a car you are your class yeah you committed fraud you're always a scumbagg it's It's like, what are you talking about? Like, I, I grew up, I got married, I had two kids, I put him through college, I worked the regular, doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Like, okay, you know what? You're just trying to feel good about yourself. That's what it is.

You're not an unhappy person. That's insanity. So what is your goal? Real quick, what is your goal? Not real, take your time, but I'm saying, let's focus on what is your goal for 2025? My goal is to impeach Trump. Go ahead. No, go ahead.

Impeach Trump. That episode is not out. That episode will be coming. Yeah, because that will air before that. I would say my daughter graduated and. Graduated or graduate? She's going to go. She graduates this year.

Purchase a vehicle. Take three, go out of town or out of state three times. And relish my freedom. more podcasts make a commitment that I can upheld uphold even if it's just me sitting down and talking I'm going to start doing that when just I think about it because I think I can do 40, 50 minutes just reliving one of my stories from prison so and I've been wanting to do that anyway because I think about those stories all the time and so it's to get to where my podcasting is independent but I absolutely want to buy another I want a new car.

I've been one of that forever. So one a week. One a week. One a week. At least. But the one a week is definitely. Definitely. Yeah, that's a bare minimum you have to do.

That's a realistic mandatory. Achievement. Achievement. And what's, what's yours? What's your goal? My goal is along those lines, like I, I see it. You guys. are always showing me like like this is it like this is a thing so we we we we I've

definitely been locked in like understanding this stuff and and getting going well besides that like I want to start back with the cars you know what you just don't believe I have a auctioneer's license he does and sell car no I believe that I mean I I I just don't think he's auctioning and buying cars I just don't think he's auctioning and buying cars I just don't think that's what his primary source of income is. But yeah, yeah, no. And that's a good point. So I want my primary source of income to be along these lines.

And I think that it's definitely plausible and viable. We definitely have a plan. I have a plan. And I'm going to stick to it this year. I got a problem stream yard because going to his post. places. It's like, well, I got to work the camera and set up. And like, after two hours, I'm like, I'm leaving. You have to learn these cameras. Like, I'm, I'm looking at the set up around here. I'm taking these notes now that I, he might need your help. What would you

charge him, Kobe, to come by and get him set up to come, get it set up. I mean, I can come by and set it up one day. The biggest time thing is editing is, yeah, the editing and the management, like, if you're filming it on your own, but yeah, listening to the two hour conversation and stuff, going there. If you both could individually have a setup to where you turn on an actual camera like this and you have a good podcast mic for when you're feeling inspired

or were you ready to go, you can do that, ease of access, making it easiest possible to start it up and do it. It's probably one of the most important things that do for the first year, just to get it out, you know what I mean? Just to have something that's quality that you can just easily press, record,

and get it up, you know what I mean? Because in the beginning, in the beginning I think it's more about the consistency and as long as it's quality than all the extra bells and whistles get the ball rolling

and then you work on upgrading this and upgrading that and things like that you know what I mean well he has the cameras yeah right and you can then you can learn you know another thing to try and learn

is to do editing is to edit it so if you could edit the stream yards you can get it to the point where yeah you could where it looks almost like this. Well, I have an independent, I've got an editor, Riskline, Instagram.

But like he does a great job at like putting B-roll stuff in, kind of the vision of what I would like it to look for. It's the lighting I got to figure out. Yeah, it's the lighting. And that's one of my things for this year is, I want to get somebody that does this professional, like professional professionally, I want to send him, hey, we have, this is what we have, this is our settings.

What could we do, if anything, that with what we have, can we do anything a little better? Because the product looks great. Like when you look at the YouTube video and it looks like it's in the studio for real. The lighting is kind of perfect. Your face can look a little more handsome, but. Not according to him, but. Well, the editing and stuff helps them. You guys should see them live.

I was going to say It is a studio It just happens to be in my living room Well it looks like It looks very professional It is a professional Because I'm about to insult them No matter what I say

What I'm going to say is It's funny because Then you know Boziac right is in Thailand So he was putting out his videos On first channel And some guy contacted him A guy that it's because

Boziac was interviewed By a a Russian podcaster and during that podcast they kept saying that John Boziac is the Russian Ivan whatever the guy's name is some Russian thing so they have a John Bozziak in Russia who is doing credit card fraud and everybody knows so they kept saying oh he's the he's the he's the American version of Ivan or whatever the guy's name is I think I saw that right so well that guy reached out to Boziac because Bozak's in Thailand and the guy's like, hey, why don't you fly down to, I forget the name of the city and whatever, it's this $80 flight there and back. And he was like,

he was like, I'm Phuket. He's like, I live in Phuket. And apparently there's a large Russian population in Phuket. And he was like, really? He's like, I got a whole studio. I would like to interview you. So they, he flew down, was interviewed by him. And Boziac put the interview up on his, Like, he interviewed him and he interviewed, they interviewed each other. And then he put it up on his, on his video or on his podcast, on his YouTube channel. Well, the quality of this guy's podcast, you very quickly look at it and you're like, wow. Oh, wow. Like, that's, it's really, like, it's, it, you look at ours and it's like a good quality.

For the money, we've got as much bang as you can, as you can get out of our buck. but you can tell this guy he must be shooting and everything's in 4K the cameras have to be just over the top and Boziak said listen you walk in there he goes it's it's maybe

very well be one of the best studios I've ever been in yeah I was curious to ask him about that because when I opened the video that's the first thing I thought and that's one of the reasons why I wrote better quality

for some of the goals he's here because like you open up that YouTube video and you're like wow it would have to be the camera wouldn't it It's the camera and it's the lighting well They're in a big probably in a big room and it's dark And it's if he turn the lights off it'd be completely pitch black So like behind his so it's like it can help

You can probably do more with that Wow, that was funny And one day I can't see That does look nice And I forgot about it Because I was Wow that looks like

television so I can tell the lighting but then he's got plants in the background you can see it's a living room right yeah it can be

it's actually not so I give you an example is that like this has to fit in my living room right you know and I've got another year

on my lease in a year from now when we get a bigger place all of this will be expanding These will go back slightly. This whole thing will shift forward so that there's a wall, but it's much. You'll see depth behind these things so that you could, there's a hole.

It'll be like, you'll be able to walk out this way. So these will be brought back. All this will be shifted forward so that you can see the depth of everything. There'll be more shadows, more. So mine would look more like that. I don't have the room to do it. He does. This guy, and this is not his living room.

This is his studio. He goes, this guy's got an entire house filled with studios. He's got like four or five different studios. The guy's running the guy's running like five different YouTube channels all in Russia And I don't even want it's none of my business, but I mean, I know what the amount, but he told him like what he's making It's it's over the top like if you the amount of money these guys Russia. No, he's in Puket, Thailand. Right. It's like it's like a 30 minute flight from Bangkok. So and he lives there there's a large Russian population there.

And he's got a couple houses. One house is his entire studio. He's like, you understand the entire community is nothing but Russians. They speak like it's all Russian. So, but that guy, yeah,

he's got in one house, he's, you know, multi, multi, multi millionaire. So he, you can imagine what you can do

with that kind of money. And he's hugely popular. He's got five different channels. But all right. So where is his channel is popular in Russia? In Russia. Oh, that's what I was asking.

This is, yeah, this is the first. time he's ever done an English interview. He doesn't like his English. He's upset about it. He's like he wants his English to get better. I felt his English was very good. I didn't even notice that he didn't speak good. It's obvious. It's not his first language, but it's pretty damn good. Like, it's pretty good. But you feel uncomfortable, you know, obviously you feel uncomfortable in speaking another language if you don't feel fluent. And YouTube channels in Russia, he's making a ton of money. Is that

what you say? Yeah. And rules. Wow. In rubles. He said he pays all his guys in. Boziac said he pays all his guys in rubles. He said, which is better than probably in a month dollars. Now have you, Matt,

I'll send this to you. I'm curious if you've seen this. But it's a quality. Like Boziac said, this guy, the quality of this guys, he said, this is like going to a,

um, a Hollywood studio. He said, every camera is, you can look at it and be like, dear God, that's like a movie quality. I don't know if you've ever seen them like the cameras now that you know they don't have these big cameras

they're still they're they're compact they're not very large but you look at them and they're they're they're called they're like they've it's a design called red red cameras they've got and you look at these things and they don't have little lenses I was just going they don't have little tiny lenses they've got massive lenses they've got they can they could take they could zoom in on anything and crop out anything you want even though it's really a huge picture they could zoom right in on you and you think the camera was right here like i mean they're just over the top and he said that's what this guy got he's his super quality um uh operation that he's running wow i hate him already yes but you know what i'm saying like that he he obviously started small you know

it's like you start small and you wait and then one day you turn around and it's blowing up you've got five channels making roubles oh no i just sent you a video has uh Zach seen the Spanish oh Yes, yes, you said that to me of us talking in Spanish. What was the topic of that video? The Spanish channel just posted the Christmas themed, the holiday themed one. Oh, God, that's funny. Have you seen this? Six.

Yeah, so we have a Spanish channel. You know what's funny is it sounds like us. The voices actually sound like. I'll be the lines with that. I'm like, what? Hello, this is Matthew Cox. And we're going to Is that you, not Naviad

or that's not New New York, you got to do Zatian, you're having comidas festivas. It's Matthew. Is that you? Is that Zach? That was me, Tom. Wait, we got to do that.

You got here, look. Is he laughing in Spanish? Come on, where's that? No, come on, I'm talking too much. Hold on, look. You look like you can be old dark-skinned Cuban. That drinks really dark coffee.

That is hilarious. What is funny, what's he don't know if I'm going to say? I don't know what I'm going to say. You know what's funny is? I wonder, like, it's not, and the Spanish channel's not doing great. It's not? No, it's got one video.

One ditty video has 4,000 views. The rest, though, have a couple hundred. Yeah, maybe a couple hundred. Oh, like my channel. What, what, what, what, how many subscribers? 69 or 8. Yeah, not doing great. I wonder if we need them to switch it to Russian?

Russian. Yeah. Yeah, I can, I can email them. Russians, listen, Russians love criminals, you know. Especially fraudulent. And we love Russians. Especially fraudulent criminals. Right.

You know, I wonder. Nine! We could fly out to Thailand. Do an interview with that guy. Do an interview with that guy. Bet Boziat could get me on his channel. And if we had a Russian channel set up, maybe try and conscript some of his subscribers. Baby, are you ready to take a 30-hour plane flight?

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I never run I've never phone business I never phone yeah one time my wife had a business she her friend upgraded her to business because he talked to the customer service

and I was like Oh, like, ask them if they got an extra one for me. They just gave you one the next day. So they asked, like, hey, like, is there an extra? And then whoever, the new customer service person was like, oh, sorry, that was given to her by mistake. Actually, she does not have business class. Oh, and they pulled it from it. And then, yeah, so I spent my last day of vacation on the phone.

Hearing about it. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I've never flown. I've never flown. Like, it's like a bus seat. You know how? But with three people.

Yeah, I flew, I flew like that as a child, but when I have grown up money, I'm 30 hours in front. I don't have you flown con air? Have we all, all of us have, no, I haven't flown. So what's the con air experience? Are you handcuffed getting on the plane? Like, what is? You're in a pile of in a paper suit. You're here.

Where did you fly too? Were the guys very respectful to you? The guys? Yeah. No. You get on there, they're all like, hey, girl, what's your right number? Oh, my. Like seven girls, and the rest of the plane was men.

So you were flying to Illinois? I flew to the transfer center, which is Oklahoma. Oklahoma and then to Illinois. That's when you started off in the Illinois? No, I started here at Coleman. I went to Illinois for Arvap. Oh. Did you hear about a plot on the plane to overtake it?

No. No? All right. I just wondering. I flew, I had to go to Beaumont, so I went from Coleman to Oklahoma, and then from Oklahoma to Beaumont. What was so sad is I was terrified to go to the penitentiary, so when they, when I shipped me, I was hoping I'd be in transit like five or six months. My prayer was I'm going to beat this shot It's gotten me the points

Before before I get to Before I get to the pen And then I can stop them From dropping me off there No They fucking pick me up and had me in the pen Like within hours He was in the pen

He went to the pen He went to the pen for six Six solid years I got there in February of 2012 And left in February of 2018 Low I started off Yes, I started in the low

But I was only there a few months before They realized that I was medium points And everyone's like, oh, you're only going to I was only in the low about 50 some odd days Oh, we got to sing you to the medium Your points call for you to be a medium But you'll probably be back in six months Is what they told me.

So then they shipped me over to Coleman Medium And then from Coleman Medium They shipped me to the penitentiary. You went up and that was because Everybody goes, what? You went in the wrong direction. Well, why did you go, because of some stuff that happened? At the medium?

Yes, I did tax. They accused me of tax fraud. You almost slipped out. I didn't. They accuse him. And yeah, we've never gotten that. We've never really gone. Oh, my God.

Indignation of that they would dare accuse a serial career. fraud of tax fraud. I don't believe it. And then they, so they, then they shipped me from, and when I left, what's his name? What was his name? I forgot the fat S-I-S-I-S guy.

Mello, Mettles, what was his name? I don't know. Guy hated you though, right? Yes. Mellos, I forgot what his name was. He told me, he goes, I go, where am I going? bro he goes i'm sending you somewhere where you'll never do tax fraud again i'm like hmm do they have a phone there

what was what was worse the pen what was the worst place i say coleman medium all right so there was a lot of violence at the pen and at one point there was a complete um riot on the compound upon which i walked back to my unit without getting into a fight, which I thought was amazing. You know, it's like, yeah, between,

I, it's black, black and whiter. It appeared to be, yes, and I didn't know if it was black, white, we were locked down about four months,

but, you know, I was, when I went to the, the pen, I had told myself, I'm going to become a law guy. That way I don't have to fight.

You know, I can try to avoid, and I can act like I'm helping people. So when I got there... And charge them. I can fuck up their case. I can charge them and fuck up their cases. No nobody ever beat up the law guys.

They shouldn't. They shouldn't protect me. So I get there and so when the riot breaks out, there's all kind of rumors. So I'm in the library typing and then the deucees go off outside. So you hear the tower shooting. Then there's fighting.

So when you're in the library, you can look out on the rec yard. So, and I could see the tower. So there's fighting. outside. Then there's fighting in the library. So I'm looking around. Then there's fighting. Fighting here. Then there's fighting there. The cops are running all

over the place. You guys get down. They come in to try to break up a fight there. So then I started packing myself up. He hasn't missed a key show. No, no. I started packing my stuff up in my bag. I'm like, oh, snap. So I said, let me see if I can get back to my unit or just

stand by the door. So I work and I go by the door, the door is open. I go out the door. I walk. Through the compound, through the rec yard. It's fighting everywhere. And I'm just walking. You know, and sometimes I'm like, and I'm walking, and I get all the way back to my unit, the unit door is open.

I go through the unit door, up to my cell, and I close to do it. And I get on my bunk and lay that out with the book. So sometimes when I would mow your yard or the pan around, the medium, whatever. I was a pin in Beaumont, but I was in the medium. There are these like

big booms when they lock you guys down and you guys start fighting. Are those like flash bang grenades? Yes. Okay. That's what they are. Get on the ground.

Get on the ground or you will be fired upon. Their concussion grenades. And if one goes off near you it actually does make you dizzy. It's funny we'd be walking the track at the low

which was close to the pin. way closer to the pen than it is to the medium and you'd be walking around and you'd hear and then you'd hear and then you'd walk in the track going holy shit you know you'd hear there get on the ground

get on the ground you will be fired up a boom and you'd hear and I remember we'd be walking the track around and be boy I'm glad I'm not over there I forgot to spill this like all inmates stopped your activity sounds bad over there thank God we're at low did they have a recording all inmates stop your activity

get down and lay down on the ground lethal force is imminent they used to have like a little recording they would play did they have that did you guys ever hear that no it was it was like it was like get on the ground but they were screaming yeah they were yelling it in the out of the things where we were they had a recording it would start

like the deucees would go off all inmates stop your activity you know we'd be oh shit I feel like we had completely different experiences I think you had different experience than Matt? Yeah, absolutely, but Why do I envision Matt at this Caucasian prison? Nah, you went to the low. It wasn't.

The same announcer tells them coffee and latte will be served at 4 o'clock. I'm going to tell you all I remember about the, I was only there 40 days. And I didn't really have a chance to complain about the dorm because I was, first of all, the shock of prison. was still very fresh. So I'm there and I'm just like, what the fuck? The only thing I specifically remember is the interview about, like, they were basically

saying we've got some, like, it's a privilege to be here. This is one of the privilege compounds. This is the intro. This is when you get off the bus and you talk to by. And I remember thinking like, what the fuck are they talking about? But he's going, only certain people are here. We've got things going. Oh, I'm trying to remember what he was saying.

He's basically saying either you get with the program or you'll be quickly removed from this place. Yeah, it was basically the same thing. They said, we're not, you're not going to have a problem here unless you have a problem with the indigenous population. And I was like, chose. You got a lot of chose here, don't you? That's exactly what they were talking. He's the one to explain that to him. I'm like, oh.

He's like, don't bother him. Don't, you know, he's like, follow the rules. and he said it the best I've ever heard. He explained the low the best I've ever heard it. He said, indigenous, I like that term. He goes, let me explain. He said, at the pen,

he said, the simplest way to put it, how it works here is this. He said, at the pins, he is at the pin, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing us. He says at the medium, we're trying to keep the inmates from stabbing each other.

He is at the low, we're trying to keep the inmates following the rules. He goes, follow the rules, and you'll be fine. Is it okay? I'm good. What about the unwritten rule of no messing with the chomos? No, no, he had already said that as long as you don't have a problem with, he said,

you're going to be fine, as long as you don't have a problem with the indigenous population, which is here. And I said, oh, I said, that's right. You got a bunch of shows, right? You said that? Yeah. Well, because he said indigenous population. Would you by yourself when you did this interview?

It was, it was a guy from SIS. And it was me. And there was a little room. They had everybody walk in. They pulled you out. You walked in, stood there. There's a guy in the hallway. I mean, like, there's two or three inmates.

that are in the hallway or they're locked up in that little room they little cell they had but yeah i said chose he knows he you know they would say the cops would say show the cops at the low would call the inmates by their nicknames they'd be like hey star get over here he'd walk over yeah yeah you big dick come here yeah gordo gordo are you fucking with doo-do are you fucking with doo-doo. Do you remember, you remember, uh, wee-wee? We remember there was a guy named wee-wee at the medium. You know, he just got out before I did.

Did he? Yes, I heard that. They go, you know, they let me-wee go. And there was a doo-do. Someone let go to their wee-wee. There was a wee-wee and a doo-doo. Doodoo was the shit. I know a guy named.

That was a joke. That John, that's the line from John to crack me up. We go, man, doo-doo's the shit. that is so funny I don't know easy dick easy dick easy dick

he's from town he's probably shout out these are you saying easy dick is he out is he out

is he still in I hesitate to say this how did he get his name? I never asked that's a story that's a story for a podcast and I see him

I know I go to this little liquor store and I saw him I remember him from a way I've never forgot that name. And I was like, man, I remember. It's literally all, I got it on my Instagram. I'm like, I remember, yeah, yeah. I'm easy dick.

I'm glad to know that. And I hear all the cats call him easy. You know what I was. There were some great, there were some great nicknames. There were some great nickname. Whatever your handicap is, it is, that's your nickname in prison. Oh, yeah. They had that everybody in a wheelchair was called wheels.

Wheels. Or something. Thumpy. Yeah. Lefty. Blind. You got glasses. this big blind um yeah lefty or or whatever your ailment is can't get

the shire fuckers used to fucking cook cook would actually go and write the shire you know from the hobbit yes and so me and another guy were in a cell and we were both short and they would write the shire put it on tape so you come walking by and it'd say the shire on it If I could reach that thing, take it down. But it's so fucking high. Oh, my God. I remember I got one of the first MP3 players. Remember when the MP3 players came out?

I was in for that. Just not the fifth. Now, I remember when the computers, we were there when they first came out with the email and the computer. That's right. But I went from, but that was at the medium. I went from the medium to the low.

They already had computers. They did? Yeah. When I went from the medium to the low, boom, they had computers. I remember when they had, you're going to be able to email your family. Like, wow. Yeah. I had email for about a week, three weeks, maybe three weeks. You got it taken away? Yes. For my whole bid, I was really income tax fraud. I was never able to email. No access.

Listen, they wanted the email and the phone. They didn't want me to be able to communicate with the outside world at all. Can they take both? Are they allowed to take that? No, they didn't, they didn't take the phone. They had to choose. I remember, they didn't give me a choice. They did it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

But I just, like, I did a FOIA and got all my paperwork, and I noticed that the request was to take both. And then I saw the note that only one of them was, they can only take one. They took the email. Were you there for tablets? No. No. No, we didn't get tablets. That's a very, very recent.

Yeah, they found them now. These inmates now, they got it easy. No, feds. No fans have tablets. Yeah, they do. They have tablets now. Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. They're watching. Like, watching movies. Play games. They're about to start doing the visits. Let me tell you something. The women have had video visits. The men still.

They still don't have video visits for the men. No. I don't even understand that. The women have had video visits since, what, 2009? I will, I don't know. I went in in 2012 and they had them, so. No, no, not 2009. I'd say about, when did they get the,

about 2011, 2011. What? Video visits. Ever since they had computers, they still don't have them. That's what's crazy. Yeah, they talked about it the whole time I was there. They were going to do it.

They were going to do it there. They were trying to figure out how to do it so that you could basically go to like a, like a little they'd have like a little portable mobile home because they were afraid guys would be in the background

so they're going to have kind of like a computer set up for visits only it would have required an investment on the part of the prison which you know they don't want to do well they're rules that you have to follow like nobody's in the

right but they still have the prison has to buy like a little mobile home well maybe for the men I don't I don't know they have it into jail they have it into jail yeah but they have their own

area already. I'm saying if they were to implement that in some place, if they were to implement that somewhere in, let's say Coleman, like the low, they would have to have a separate facility for that. So they got to get a mobile home. They got to get it into the compound. They have to drop it off. They have to, because they're afraid that if you're, if they did it, because they could do it in the, they could do it in the unit. Right. So you could sit there like this. The problem is now you got some guys, guys are walking around behind you. They can walk in and be like, hey, what's up? I want to find the lawsuit against Polk County for the video visit being set up where they could see the shower.

So they made them change it because at some point like some guy walks out. Yeah, like they're on a video visit talking to their people and they can see the fucking shower. You want to hear something funny? What's up, Frank? What's up, Hey, man, put some clothes on, man. I'm open. This is my daughter.

Going to get my daughter. Don't look. I had, I was in Atlanta City detention center, and we were playing, I think I've told you this. You know, you play chess, right? These two guys, remember this guy, Flaco was playing with this black guy. And the black guy was, they called him bunny hop. And he had the word, he had the tattoo, Bunny Hop. And I asked him, why, why did they call you money hop?

He said, because of my tattoo. I said, well, why did you have a tattoo? I mean, he goes, oh, because when I was a little kid, I was really good at the bunny hop. So it was my nickname growing up. And I'm like, they've always called, yeah, my mom called me Bunny Hop. And so I got a tattooed on my neck. So that's my nickname. I was like, okay, well, not the greatest thing, but that's fine.

So Bunny Hop and Flacco are playing chess. Bunny hop is talking shit. Locko gets frustrated and pulls out or grabs a pin and stabs bunny hop a few times

so he's stabbing him and they get into this fight and they're fighting I remember it it seemed like they were fighting along the wall like they're rolling pushing each other against the wall

hitting each like the whole and they're going down down to and guys are gathering around and I jumped up and I ran out there and heard everybody's like yelling and stuff And I ran out there and I screamed. I was like, hey, enough.

And I scream enough. And they both kind of, they both, oh, I'm sorry. A couple of, a couple of Spanish guys jumped in and were started beat up, also beat up, bunny hop. And so, so I run up and that's when I scream, enough, that's enough, really loud. And they stopped. They all stopped and turned around and looked at me. And I remember for a split second, I thought, wow. These guys really respect me.

And I'm sitting there and as I kind of turn around, I'm looking for the guard. There's a guy who's like a black guy who's six foot, six tall, standing there, butt ass naked. He, there was fighting and he got out of the shower. So I'm standing there. I'm feeling to miss it. And he's standing right there. He's like, he's also clenched up like fist, like, like, and so, you know, obviously that I screamed. They turned around and saw him and then just stopped.

And they didn't respect me. They didn't respect. It wasn't, it wasn't, hey, Cox put his foot down. Cox put his foot down. And this guy turned around. And listen, like, it was like, I, like, looked up and went and thought, I didn't need to see that. I didn't need to see that. I'm glad you guys stopped.

Right. I walked off. He's standing in a puddle of soap and water and suds and dick hanging. And then by that point, the cops come running in. Everybody in there, he walked down, locked out. I'm already depressed walking back. for many, many reasons. Can we talk about what just having me and my eyeballs?

Walk back to myself. I can never unseeing it. All right, that's enough. I had to give myself a little, you know, shower versus grower speech laying in the cell. You know, stole me nothing. You never got along with that. He never got along with that guy anymore.

Listen, I told that story like the next day when they let us I told the story. I was the black guy. Did you know him? No, no, of course. There was only 150 guys in that. So I knew who he was. But you didn't know.

They dated. They didn't call him, Buddy Hop. But I mean, I told the story to him. They called him long jump. Like, I told him the story that I thought they stopped because they, that's like, and he said he fucking laughed. I like that long jump. Buddy hop. Long jump.

get him when I first got locked up six I couldn't use the phone like the first time I walked over to try and pick up the phone and call somebody I had a guy come up to me a black guy came up to me

after I'm trying to dial I'm trying to figure out how to use the phone he was up he came up and goes um try to call your peace I go what you peeps man

guy's peep I'm sorry can I call you peeps man I'm sorry and a white guy came over who had horns tattooed on his head what's a lot What's illogical?

He had all the tats, everything. But I never remember seeing somebody with the horns. And he comes up. That's why he got him. So he came up and he goes, you people. And I go, my people. And he goes, your family.

You're trying to call it. He's saying, are you trying to call your family? And he goes, I got this. And he goes, I. And he walked off. And I realized, like, oh, my God, he's speaking English. Like, he walked off. And I would remember in that moment, I thought, you're in a place where people that are speaking,

you can't understand the people they're speaking English. And that guy was trying to help me. I just couldn't even let him help me because I couldn't understand what he was saying. So this guy helped me. I made the phone call.

Anyway, just fast forward three years later. I'm in Coleman. Hello. So three years later, you got a call? No, I was just quickly showing. I'm on your side right now.

All right. He's on your side. So three years later, I'm in line. And these two guys are talking in front of me. And one guy goes, man, how you fall? And he goes, shit, fucked up, no, I'm saying? And I went, he was over, he goes, over, he goes, over, he goes, over doving two stacks. He's not saying?

And I thought, I do know what he's saying. I know exactly what you're saying over a fucking over a key and $2,000 another black guy snitched on you and I thought you have to get out of here

you're graduating that's a graduate you need your cap and gown you need your cap and gown I am speaking the native tongue now I'm speaking to this is this is horrible I know what a dove is

I know what a stack is I know what you know oh my God. Oh, my God. I know exactly what he said. I wouldn't have known what any of that was two, three years earlier. I had no idea what you're talking about. You wonder how you, when you caught yourself reacting, shit.

I know. Exactly. That's what I'm thinking. Shit, man, motherfucker. The boy fucking told on him. It sounds like getting the fuck. Wait a minute. I'm filing right now.

Dig out of here with a spoon like Andy Dufray. And that's what you need to do. Yes. She. And do you wonder to transition from your regular English to absolutely like, oh my God, it fucking makes sense. You're on the end this, man. I got to enroll, man. It's almost 4 o'clock.

Ready? Yeah. You got to pick up your daughter? No. Oh. I just got to leave. I've just done my day off. I don't need this.

I need to go speak. I have not eaten at all all day. I'm frigging starving. Oh. Okay. Buddy, oh, excuse me. All right. Hey, you guys.

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