Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - From Rich to Fugitive Overnight | What Went Wrong For This Criminal

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

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I class myself as more of a business man. It's silent supply at the end of the day. Some months we were making 70,000 £80,000. And I knew how to put people together. And that's why I got away with what I did get away with. So Ireland is a funny country. I was born on a farm. A lot of people I don't look like, if they say,

you don't look like a farmer. Well, I said I was born on a farm. And one, my father was a very hard working man, Matthew. I would say one thing me, my brothers and sisters, learnt, was hard work, right? good work addict out on the farm of four years old, up early. You know, I got a bit of pocket money. And we were well looked after, but I would say my mother was a housewife.

So she was a little younger than my father. She was 10 years younger. She was from a large family of 14 kids. But Irish culture, I had said it to your producer, I said we curse a lot, but we're also known fighting and drinking. Fighting Irish. You see people with the tattoos up in Boston and New York. Do you know all that bullshit?

And it is true, but what they don't understand is this. We're very back in the day before the invasion and all, you know, the English came in and invaded us. We were very mystical people. So we were healers. We were clairvoyance, all of this. And this was ripped away from us. And actually then it's like you'll see the Indians in America, a lot of them, not all, but a lot of them turned to drink. They turned to drugs.

And this is what happened a lot of Irish people. So Catholic Ireland was, you have a church, you have a church, you have a, pub beside the church and then you have the fucking bookies beside that. And then you would wonder why we would have an alcohol problem. It was just, it was bred into us. So from an early age, I would say. And, you know, we grew up. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. For me, from a young age, I was the youngest of five kids. I knew there was something maybe a little bit off in the family. It was, I wasn't happy. I wasn't happy what I would say. I have a nine-year-old son. I'd say him, he's happy most of the time. He's a decent life. He's a good life.

We were provided for, but we didn't get the emotional support, what a child would need. And that had an effect on me from a young age where I'd see, you know, a lot of alcohol abuse going on in the family. I'd see some physical abuse towards my mother. And this was a common thing that was happening. But when you grew up in an environment like that, you accept it. You go, fuck it, this is what every house does. So you think this is normal shit. Whereas the reality of what it isn't when you wake up in Christmas Day.

Remember the studio games? Do you know, there's like table football that you play. Foozball. Yeah, Foozball, yeah. Right, yeah, Fusball, yeah. So we woke up, me and my brother had got this from Santi.

It was thrown through the kitchen window and broken bits on Christmas Day and the police were at the door for my father, right? It's a shit like this, yeah? So, you know, you sort of, but Irish people and Catholic families, we brush all that under the carpet, this doesn't happen.

My sister would have been a big, it would have been a positive influence in my life. So, you know, we would have been waking up in the house, glass, broken all over the place, this type of thing. So for me, I've lots of good memories, but I also have negative memories. And so, but the farm itself, we were taught what hard work was. And I listen, I have respect for my dad. My mother, God rest of soul, she's long. Dad, I have respect for her.

But when you go back generations of this sort of, I would say, Catholic tough upbringing, they didn't know how to deal with it. It was nearly emotionless to a large degree, whereas we know a little bit better now because we've went through it. And only we can change the course of our future family's life. So yeah, this was from an early age, hardworking family, good people, but just a bit crazy. So I'm a Norwegian. My mom used to have a saying. She used to say there was once a Norwegian man that loved his wife so much, he almost told her. There you go. Exactly. You know what I'm saying?

It's like, you see other people's families where like they walk in, they hug, they kiss, they're constantly touching each other and it's happy and like, you know, that, you know,

even my mom, as much as I love my mom, like, I can think on, I could probably count on, it's probably less than 10 times, like very seldomly ever walked up and hugged me or, you know,

there was no, you can do it. Yeah. It was, go sit out, got out, you know, yeah.

Well, it brings me to just a funny story, right? So when there was drink involved, we were the best. Oh, I love you and all of this. And they meant it. And they didn't mean it. But this is the way it was. They didn't know how to do it. But it goes back generations.

This goes back thousands of years. But I remember my first proper girlfriend. It was a girl called Emily. And I went into her house. And her mother was there. And she introduced me to her mother. And then she said, you know, we were going to go out and do something. And she said to her mother, I love you.

I froze and I ran out I didn't know what the fuck was happening she ran out what's wrong I was embarrassed I said Jesus I this is why I was I couldn't talk she was there why can't you talk I said I've never heard that in a family before and this was all new to me so yeah

just pretty crazy yeah so what what I mean eventually you go to school right like I mean you went to how many brothers and sisters Your mom had...

There was 14. But your mom had... No, no, no. So no. In my family five, so two brothers, two sisters. There's still a lot of kids. Yeah, but in Ireland it wasn't a lot of kids. Like, my nanny would have told us stories.

Like, okay, the way it was. And I don't know, I'm sure it was pretty similar in America. So the husband... Yeah, I had... There were two... My parents had two daughters, two sons. But that seemed like a lot of kids. So the man went to the pub on a Sunday.

after the church. So you have the church, you have the pub. He goes drinking whiskey. So the wife stays at home, probably drinking whiskey because she knows what's coming. So the man comes home

and the man's then will the man's sex. You can't sign out. This was the way the Catholic church was. Right. You know, it was a load of bullshit, right? So you could have been,

my nanny was pregnant every year, but she would have had to do, got rid of the kids herself. I'm not even going to tell you how they did it because she told me one, that's pretty rough. But otherwise you will be pregnant every year.

This is the way it was. Contraception, no. This is not. And like, I do have my beliefs. I'm still Catholic. Do I practice it? Not really. I have my own beliefs now.

But, you know, I can see how some of it is good, but some of it is just bullshit at the end of the day. So what, what happens with, I mean, you go to, you go to, well, I mean, they call it high school? No. So we call it. right, we start in primary school till we're 12 and then we go to secondary school, which is high school. So then, right, the story then. So from the age, I told you early, I just knew there was something up here. And then when I was 10, yes, I was brought, my auntie brought me to a chipper, we call it. It's like a fast food restaurant. And I still can't understand why she did this. And she brought me to a fast food restaurant. And I knew what she was going to say.

started crying. She said, oh, your mother has left your father. I was there thinking, like, what the fuck would you bring me here for? Now, I taught this after. It wasn't an immediate, the immediate thinking was Jesus Christ. Okay. And she said, listen, your father. Now, my father was a bit, he was a bit of a madman with drinkters, poems written about my father and stories. You know, he drank, he'd like to fight. So my auntie was trying to convince me, he's going to turn to drink, and he probably won't be too pleasant to be around. But I said, fuck it. I was now confused at this. I just said, listen, I'm going to go home and live with my dad, which I did.

So I didn't really see my mother. My mother stayed with my auntie. She went on then to meet another man. And all this was very confusing. Where's my mother? So I went from being, okay, I was unhappy, but I had a lot of friends. I was big into, we call a football soccer, right? So I was a good football player.

And all of this in the space of moments, weeks, seem to be ripped away from me. I seemed to go into myself. I wanted to be by myself. So I was very, again, I was very confused. I didn't know what was going on, but I rebelled against my mother. So I'd seen my mother maybe a couple of times that year, rebelled against her,

basically hurled abuse at her at 10-11. I'm not, it's not acceptable, but that's the only way I could protect myself through all of this. So then I was sent to a boarding school on top of this. I was sent to, we have our own language. It's called Guelga. So that's our own national. language, which is practiced in certain areas and it's taught in school. So I went, I was sent

year to boarding school, you're boreding with a lot of other kids my age, 10, 11, and you're learning Irish. You're not allowed, after the first month, we're not allowed to speak English. You have to speak that or it's enforced. Yeah, it was a tough school, yeah, yeah. So, we've, again, history, right? So, I didn't get on very well there. I developed OCD. I don't know do you know what OCD is, but I was weird with this. Yeah, I didn't know what it was either. So I was going around and I had to tell my, because I was back talking to my mother and father,

you have to bring me down gloves, disinfecting walls daily, like two, three, four times a day. I couldn't get, I would have to stand there if I'm talking to you and I would look if there was only speak, out, I would go mad. This went on then for that lasted about a year. I ran away from there a few times, got caught, they brought me back.

So then, after a year there, I was left with my dad. Mother, my relationship still was pretty poor. My brother was living with my mother. And the rest of them had moved on my sister. My eldest sister is in New Zealand the last 30 years. Who was in New Zealand? So that's my eldest sister. She just, she went to New Zealand?

Or was there somebody there that she went for? I would say my sister is gay. and I don't think it was accepted at the time by my mother. And I would say the two of them butted heads a lot. So she would have left home at 16. And she would have went to London. She would have went to Holland, then Australia, and then eventually to New Zealand.

And my other two brothers, they were sent to Borden Skill. Now, they got on very well. They were just these people who could compartmentalise, brush under the carpet, forget about them. They, I would say, did okay in life. But were binge drinkers. and, you know, at some degrees,

binge drug takers when they were a little bit younger, but they could move on where I was the youngest, I was left in the shit. I was with my father. My father didn't know what was going on. He was unhappy. We didn't talk. So I'm in an environment.

I'm 10, between 10 and 12, I'm not talking to my father. My sister is my only sort of feminine, giving me any type of emotion on on a weekend. And I was angry. I was pissed off with life. I didn't know what was going on. Friendships had gone with people.

people, I'm spending a lot of time on my own. I've developed this OCD. I've got sent to a boarding school I didn't want to go to. And then at, I was said, then we, we go to high school, secondary school. And I didn't want to be in this particular who, well, I'm wondering who's paying for boarding schools? Like boarding schools are expensive. Yeah, they're expensive.

My father. Because my mother, right. So he wasn't, you know, and I can be wrong. Yeah. You know, when I think of a farmer in Ireland, I don't think he's, there's, they've got a lot of money. I can be totally wrong. Well, not a millionaire, no. Okay. But good enough to put his good enough. Now I'll go back and let me go back on the story. Right. So with my father, we would have been up till the early 90s, Ireland was a very poor country. And then there was, we call it,

the Celtic boom, building came in and then essentially everything took off. But up till, so I was born in 83, up till I was about seven and eight, I wouldn't say we were wealthy. But then he did start making good money. Now never extraordinary wealth, but wealth enough to be able to put us through boarding skills, but it's something my mother wanted. And what I believe,

and now, listen, I love my mother, God rest her soul, but I believe she wanted us out of the way because she was, obviously she wasn't happy. She wanted to drink and do what she was down. And it was easier to have us out,

and now getting well educated. And that, that's where we were. Yeah, kids are a lot more manageable when someone else is taking care of them. And then they just get to come for the holidays and then they're back.

They come for summer and then they're back. Absolutely. Listen, it's a, it's... Honestly, that's the way I would like to do it myself. But that's way if I, you know... Like, it's fucked up when you think about it. Now, there was no harm meant by my mother, but this was in her head. And my mother liked to be very prim and proper about things.

Oh, my kids go to boarding school, but like it was madness at home. Yeah, we were privileged. for, but what we lacked going back, we got our trainers or tracksuits are clothes. But we, for me, there was no emotion there. Okay, you give

somebody 10 drinks, they'll show emotion. But then very shut down. But, but again, this goes back. My nanny, my grandmother was very like that as well. She was a tough woman. You did not step out of line. If you stepped out a line with my mother, went my grandmother, to an extent my father,

you would get slapped and you would know about it. That's the way, that's the way it was done. sure was done here as well like the whole Catholic upbringing. So, so you, what happened with the boarding school? Okay. Did you graduate from boarding? Did you graduate like,

you want to say high school? No, I, listen, that was for a year. So it's a year I went from now. I went to then normal high school after that, but the first school I went to didn't like. So I caused trouble there straight away, got into a few fights. And then my father put me where I did want to go,

were all my friends from primary school where so that would be school up till 11 or 12. So I went in there, day one. I'd met all the, all the lads we call them. And there was, I suppose I was known to have a bit of a temper, yeah? I was known to have a temper. But it was more of, um, fuck what would you call it?

I'd say more of an alter ego. Listen, I was soft really, but I had to pretend to be something because I didn't know who I was. I didn't know what I was, really. back then and it's easier to create someone different who has this persona of being a little bit of a fight or a little bit

of a boy that's out there. And unfortunately this then carried into this school and somebody said something to me and I turned around and I hit him. But I didn't know then he had a brother who was five years ahead of me in school. Then I got this and I got the shit kicked out of me and this this fight and then went on for

another 12, 14 months and we used to have, there were 7 to 800 kids in the skills. So you go in, you go, right, Derek, you're fighting him today. I was going, am I? Okay, so you would go around the back of the school, there's like an estate. So what we call an estate, it's like a group of houses together. So we call these houses and estates. So there was a patch of grass.

You go out and you'd fight whoever. And generally, I'm fighting older guys because I was that little bit bigger. I did quite well, but I didn't want to go to school. So then that bred up sort of more fear into me more than anything and sadness of having to put this hard man. front up to go to school in the first place. And then, yeah, I was put out of that school after I was 14 and a half. So now I was still working when my father still making money. So he'd make us all work, even the brothers when they came home, sister and stuff.

So I was put out of there straight to work. That's all my father knew. Work. Okay. There was no much communication after that. There we'd go out to work. So then I was sent to live with my grandmother in another town. Right?

So I lasted there about four months before. she put me out because at this time now it's start smoking weed hash is what we call a hash at the time I would have been abusing ecstasy so start taking drugs 13 but going back to drinking we start drinking I would have had my first drink

probably at 10 and probably even before that because we grew up a lot of weekends and pubs as well when we were younger Matthew so you know someone asked me my nanny to keep us quiet would give us a sip of brandy when we were 5, 6 and 7 this was taught nothing obviously we were going to the pub

you go outside and you play with the other kids. That's how it was. So we were used to being around alcohol a lot. So we would normalise alcohol, normalised drinking. There was a lot of parties in my house at the time. Then all the bullshit followed that afterwards. So here I am then. I couldn't wait to take drugs.

Try all these drugs, you know, hash especially. I suppose I led on to ecstasy. That's when I was living with my grandmother. I was 15. And then I was back home, you know, sent back home again, back to work. And then I moved to London. for a year. How did that happen?

I wanted to move. I said, fuck it. I'm going to London. And I... Which are 15. I'm 15, yeah. I know. You don't get to...

Well, I did make the decision to go. You don't get to make that. I was 15. I was 15 going on 16. So I would have been very close to 16. So we could call it more 16 at this time. Who do you stay with? So I said it to my mother.

I'd say 9-100, what we called it pounds at the time in, from working with my father. So I sat to my mother and going to London. she started crying and said, you're too young to go to another

but a sudden go. Father, very emotional he doesn't say much and I had two uncles there. Now one uncle declined because,

you know, maybe he'd heard stories about me, a bit of a delinquent, whatever. And the other uncle said, okay, you can stay here for a week.

So stayed with him for a week. And basically, we smoked weed all week and he said, you're going to have to go because he's a newborn. So I, um,

because you're the newborn. He had a newborn. Oh, he had a newborn. Yeah, not me. No, no, no, Jesus Christ, not me. So he had a newborn. And I don't think his wife wanted me there. Right.

All right. So you have this guy, he's, you know, 15, 16. You know, do you really want the hassle of it? So I said, we'll have to get a job. So I actually got a job in a pub in a place called Finnsbury Park. Okay. But I blacked my way in it. So I'd say, obviously, my age, I'm 18,

19 so they all believed that because you were a big kid and you were big child tall and whatnot and yes I met people again start taking drugs lost that job fucked around and they were fucked around there for a year job to job party to party

house to house I had a lot of cool people but I suppose you know it did shape me in a way but I always had an infatuation with drug dealing as well since I was 10 we used to have this newspaper called the Sunday World and it used to be on the front with all the gangsters and the drug dealers they're over in Marbeah and all. I was so unhappy.

I said, I've got to, I want to be like them. All right. So I've been selling drugs on and off since I was 13 and first year of skill. Now, now I'm talking small amounts of hash and stuff like that. So that's when that sort of started as well. So, but now you're in, you're, I mean, you're, you're, you're going from, bouncing from job to job in, in, uh, in London. Yeah.

and you have your own apartment, your own place to stay? Well, I'm sleeping like you're looking at a house with 16 other people. You're sharing around with people. But people, anyone I got close to, I told my story, I said, listen, I know who you think.

This is what age I am. And I generally have probably not sympathy, but you know, I got on well with certain people. I met a couple of Irish people and they used to say to me because I wouldn't have money for rent. And they go just run.

Listen, fuck the person in this house. the house was a shithole. Like you're looking 16 people living in the house. It's dirty. It's not a nice place to be. So I would do that. I would stay in a place for maybe six weeks, two months, and then I would move to another part due to the same there.

So I was, I suppose I would use the word blagged my way around London for a year. Rent free. Rent free. Do you know what? Blagged? No. Okay, yeah.

I have to remember him in America. So, um, conned my way around. I know what conned is. So it's like, like as I give your me, me and I am there yeah yeah, you know, lovely house there

show me the room, yeah, cool, I'll have your rent and I'll make up a story, I'm starting work next week and they go cool because I, you know, I was a very personal type of fella when you met me. So then this would go on and on, they'd go, where's the rent? Oh, the job got let down. And I'd roll this out for two months sometimes

before I'd up and leave. It's the only way I could survive. There was not, this was survival. It wasn't about me, like I was at to rob food sometimes out of the supermarket. I would, this was fucking pure. survival in London. Now, did I take drugs, of course, at it? Because I was unhappy. So, but you also said you started selling drugs. Not in London, but I'd started before.

So I'd had this infatuation with these gangsters. And I believe the situation I was in, I didn't really know who I was. I didn't want to be me. I actually didn't like who Derek girl was number one. So I made up this alter ego, well, let's be a drug dealer. And didn't go very well now. Really at 13, like, do you know what? It's like, you know, I got ripped off now quite a few times. And then that led me then, I suppose, I came back. There was nearly 17 when I came back from London then.

So that brings me to 17 now. Okay. So what do you do then? So then I try school again. Right. And, you know, I did well for a while, but then I was out drinking. I was out, you know, I'm taking ease. Then I start selling these.

That this is when I suppose I start making money out of drugs. I start selling. ease and nightclubs down you start selling what in ecstasy tablets yeah yeah i'm sorry okay ease yeah you start in ease and i didn't yeah so x i'm starting selling ecstasy tablets because the dance scene is um the dance scene is huge in ireland ease is good too um um um okay so i mean it is do you get to a point where where that's paying your bills oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so i get to a point like we're making maybe two grand a week all right so there's a few grand a week all right so there's a few of us in it. That's good money.

When you say you're making or? I'm making. No, we're all making two grand a week. So there's three of us in it. You know, we buy 5,000 these at a time. We split them up and we go into a couple of specific night clubs and we sell these. Where are these coming from? Like where these is coming from? True. Just a source within Ireland. All coming from within Ireland. Okay. So you buy them at a certain price. You'd sell them obviously were like quadrupling or money. You're buying them at two, two paths. At the time it was pounds. Now in Ireland we've yours. So it's pounds. Now the pound was good money. The euro's like monopoly money. Right. Now it's shit. Yeah,

that's what they wanted. So you're buying them two or two or three pounds and you're getting 10 pounds for them. So if you do the mats on that and you can sell maybe three, four hundred pills a night. Yeah. You know, okay. And you go to a club. You go to a grave or whatever. You're taking ease then yourself. So you know, it's paying for ourselves. So then I met, right, I went to, a beats in Spain. I beat in Spain is, did you ever hear of Ibiza? It's like a... A beza. Yeah, we say Ibiza.

Sorry. Yeah, the pronunciations are a little different. People are looking at me going, a bit confused and goes, you didn't understand me, did you? I'll tell you a funny story before we moved on. I moved to Malta four years ago. And I'm talking to a guy in the gym.

And I'm talking for maybe 30 seconds. And he goes, what language do you speak? And I was going, fuck. I said, I am in trouble here. So now I have to look to look. directly in the eye and speak somewhat robotically to people over there. My accent is quite thick. So.

Abiza. Ibiza. You know where that is. So basically for your listeners, they should know where it is, especially if you're tightroaks. Huge party island. So we'd saved up maybe 15,000 pound each. We said, come on, we're going to go to type B at two weeks,

our first big holiday. So we went. And me and my friend said, we're going to stay. And we stayed for the whole summer party. I found her again. really taking cold powder and I still didn't really enjoy it yeah when I came back from I beta um we went back into the club's but I ended up getting caught with 50 tablets yeah so I went with the wrong person I met a girl there by the way and her friend this was maybe a few

months now come on out there and I didn't want to go out because I didn't have my two friends with me because with the tree was you know we had each other's back whereas this fucker didn't have my back and I was taking cocaine this night and I knew it was too open and the next thing. I just got absolutely pulled out of it by a bouncer, jumped on, brought out, and arrested. I think there was 58 ecstasy tablets, right? So I'm thinking I'm fucked. I'd never been in trouble before. Well, how strict are the, uh, are the sentences in Ireland? They're pretty strict. I was definitely looking at time. I'm definitely looking at, you know, 100% because it's, it's silent supply at the end of the day. So I'm 19 now at this stage.

And I'm going, fuck this. Like, what do I do now? So not only right, you've got caught on the charge sheet was sat and supplying it. I think I had like a half a gram of Coke and there was, so there was two, two charge sheets. Right. So then, I'm there, Jesus Christ, like, what am I going to do? Now my income has been taken away from me as well. So I'm back at home again working with my dad. I always had a place. He always wanted a hard worker. So he knew I'd work hard and he never say anything. So I had to think, I said, still want to sell drugs. What do I do? So I said, right, well, that game is bullshit. Because if you're out doing it in a nightclub or even the way you see people in America,

an iron to set it on the street you're you're going to get caught eventually you know so I said fuck it um how can I create a system that I can somewhat not wholesale large amounts but just do it in bigger amounts

make good money and with people you trust so you're not so you're not the guy that you're I'm the middle man there right so but now less exposure less exposure and you're dealing with you know you're dealing with I class myself as more of a businessman. I wasn't this tug on the street. I wasn't a violent person. Now, I may have fought a lot in school and if you brought trouble to me, okay, I would defend myself,

but I'm not going out causing trouble. I want to live the quiet life in behind the same. Essentially, that's exactly. I'm a middleman. So I met one guy who I was getting these off and I said, listen, what about getting bigger amounts of hash? Deng powder. I'm in. So then I had two people. One of them was my cousin and God rest his whole, he's dead too. And I started with them and said, right, lads, if I gave you half a kilo each and I gave you two keys of hash each and I gave you a thousand, would you sell them over the course of a month? Now, the money was okay, because maybe I was making 5,000, what, punts a month. So not bad for a 19 year old still, 1250 a week. And I was doing fuck all for it.

All I had to do was organise it, get it delivered. And once everything is bad, that's what I was making. But obviously I had this charge against me. Just there, fuck sikes. So here I am anyway, one I got a solicitor. So I was recommended this solicitor's name was Michael Steins. He's in Temple Bar and Dublin. He's well known.

He's dead now, but there's another guy, Adrian, very good solicitors, right? So he said to me, okay, what are the charges? Toll him? Okay, okay, let's wait and see. So I still hadn't got summoned. So this was maybe 11 months later. And I have my girlfriend in my father's house in my room, snorting powder. And we haven't slept.

I have maybe a nine ounce bar of powder. I have two kilos of hash in the room like a idiot. And she looks out and goes, her guards at the door, cops. So we went then, fucked everything out the back window, but it wasn't, it wasn't anyone riding us.

What it was was a local cop bringing a summons. And my sister let them in. Right? So I went down and he goes, listen, I'm here to summon. So I got the summons and the charge sheets, basically, for the 50s,

80s and the gram of coke to put it down us. So I brought these to the solicitor and he goes, no problem. And I said, what do you mean? No problem? He said, everyone's telling me, I'm getting locked up. And you're telling me no problem. He said, just chill out. So the court day was on such.

This is a long time ago. Now you're going back, Jesus Christ, 22 years now at this stage. So I can't give you exact dates. Just say the court date is on. And he's still saying, this is no problem. So had the suit on the whole lot, the part. My name was called up and the judge just goes, this is thrown out, right? So I turned

around to him, he called me over and I seen the cop. Now, I got the shit kicked out on me as well that, that day by two cops. So I just gave him a wink. Basically, with the summons, it was 24 hours out of date when they wrote it. So I was blessed. So there was someone looking down of me going, I don't know, divine intervention. I don't know what it was, right? So walked out of there, absolutely scoff free. So my decision then was made, this is what I'm doing. I've already been making money from the further. And then that was it. That's what I got into for the next.

So it was 21 then and up till 27. I sold drugs and then I went and went on to make more money. Then we were selling now, not large amounts, but between three and five keys, a coke a month and up to about 18, 20 kilos of hash. But some months we were making 70,000 £70,000. Oh, and from that, from that period all the way up to 20, or 27? 27.

I got about five years out of it. And you, and never got arrested again? Never got arrested. So what I did was this. I had the two lads. I had my cousin and the other guy and I got another three guys on board. And they were not out on the street.

They were not bullshitting anyone. They were all about business, all about money, right? So I would basically organize, okay, this is what I want. So I'd say it to my man.

Now I'm dealing with a different guy. I'd say to my man, this is what I want. I would get two guys to deliver it. on such and such just on one Saturday and then every second Saturday I would collect the money and this is the system we had and it worked well now listen I was heavily heavily consuming powder um heavily consuming alcohol and you know I might be painting a picture of it's great to have money it's great to have this like I was driving a car with 120,000 pounds I bought my own house all of

by 22, 23, I was traveling the world. I did not want to live, man. Right. You know, I was a lot of powder involved, a lot of, uh, fucked up shit happening, a lot of madness in my head. I was dark. You might see the exterior and the external and going, okay, this guy seems to have it all. He seems to be a little bit of a man about town. But at the end of the day, I was a broken man. I'd never, I'd never solved any of the issues from childhood. I was raging against myself. And, Then what happened was one of the guys that was a friend of mine that used to deliver the drugs. So he used to get a thousand euros per delivery. And he said to me, listen to Derek, a guy called Dave, I'm not going to mention a second name,

has been in such and such a cop station. And all year pictures are up. I'm not doing this anymore. So they had an idea what we were doing, but could never pin it because it was in the shadows somewhat. And I was never going to get any bigger than what I got because we were happy, the money the money was good yeah i had copious amounts of powder if i wanted to take a half an ounce of powder an ounce of powder this week i could do it how so why did the guy end up you said go into the police station why was he in the because he was in for another just another stupid charge

and he had seen and a detective came to him and he seen obviously what we were doing here so the other guy freaked out he rang me said because he was taught someone was falling on him and you see we would get stopped here and there because now I was quite a real, we would get stopped and obviously we knew I knew other guys I was hanging around now with some, what I would say, real criminals. I never class myself as a real criminal

because I thought, not that I thought I was any better, but I thought I was that little bit smarter. Well, I'm not putting myself out on the street down this. Like some of my friends were genuine psychopaths. Right. Who, you know, who were murders. I wasn't that person, but I was well liked by people.

because I knew how to make money and I knew how to put people together to make money and I had a couple of good contacts so you see I was well liked in that circle and that's why you know I got away with what I did get away with Till obviously it came crashing down

and I'd fucking lost everything well did any of your guys during that span ever get bought the pop? Yeah yeah so one of my best friends was murdered so when I was about 24 I used to smoke a joint with one of my friends every evening.

John is his name. So this evening, I was trying to get back with my ex-girlfriend. And I was over in her house and he rang me, said, listen to you calling around, we'll smoke a joint. I said, not tonight,

John, I'll see you in the morning where we're going to go kickboxing. So we do kickboxing together. So the next morning, I got a call at about six from my friend Jarre. Derek, a URL. I said, yeah, well, he said,

I taught you were one of two lads after getting shot that out and a certain specific place in Dublin, yeah? and I said no I'll ring him now so I put my phone down John rang me and it was his missus and he said no Derek John is John is dead so basically what happened the gunman came in

blew his head off in front of her the three kids were in the house as well now what transpired was it was a setup and if I had been in that house I would have been just nothing to do with me by the way why he was shot or anything to do with me he was to do with why he was a heroin dealer it was to do with his dark life

whereas I would have been collateral damage. Right. So the next thing, you know, Emily rings me to girl, my girlfriend at the time, she said, listen, there's detectives here, obviously wanting to speak to you, just get rid of phone. So I did that and I went in and I spoke to them and I said, I know nothing about this. So yeah, I was, you know, I was around guys who were up to no good, but I felt I still knew better. You know, and I'm only telling my story here now. I probably sound very condescending, but I wasn't better than anybody.

but to me was drugs is to make money. I don't need the rest of the bullshit to go is with it. Now, I was picking up little convictions here and there and I spent a little bit of time inside, but I never got a huge sentence. Now, you could say someone, again, if you go back to those 58 E's, was I blessed? What I mean by blessed was there someone looking down on me?

To save me from this, I don't know. Now, it accumulated from drinking and dangerous driving all this other bullshit. yeah, where I spent a little bit of time inside, but I never had a larger sentence. Like some of them were going in for four or five years, like 10 years. If you get caught with a kilo powder, and you're getting 10 years in Ireland.

I would say the sentences are pretty. So I was playing with fire as well. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think it's, you know, what happens is when you commit crime and get away with it, you become emboldened by it. You become, you know, you get cocky. You know what it's cocky.

Yeah, I definitely like I was super cocky. even the times that I would come close to getting caught and not get caught, I thought, I'm just that good. I'm just that good. It's not because I got lucky. It was just be like, I know what I'm doing. I'm just very good at this. The truth is, I just got lucky.

You know, like they happen to not check here or not do this or not, you know. So, but yeah, you do. You feel like emboldened by it. Like, yeah, this is good. Well, about 100%. I mean, I did. And then the money is good too, you see. But, you know, Walsley, again, you're too.

typical criminal? I don't know. I don't think so. I liked the taught of. I like the money. I like the people hung around.

Because you know, they had my back. And, you know, we were all, you know, the web I had was pretty solid, I would say. And it was guys that weren't criminals

that were selling at the end of day through their little network. So the setup was beautiful, man, and what we were doing. But it came crashing because the boom.

So you talk about, we had the Celtic Tiger, which was the loads of money on there and loads of building going on, lots of people taking powder. But that crashed then when I was 27. So that goes back 14 years ago to recession camp. Nobody could afford Coke out. So my business finished there.

And then I fucked up big time. How's that? Well, they all got into moving weeds. So they start grow houses, weed houses. Right. So this is where the money was. So I said, right, we'll buy all the equipment, which we did buy the equipment. They moved on it.

but I was too busy sniffing, powder, and I got into gambling because it was in Australia on a holiday. I was in Australia, New Zealand visiting my sister, and I found a casino. And I said, Jesus, okay, what's this? Texas, you know, Texas hold him. So I sat down at a car table. I never played Texas hold him. I said, give it a go. So I lost a few grand.

I said, right, I ain't going home, darn, I'm not drinking. I'm not taking drugs. I'm going gambling. How retarded is that? So how much do you lose? I lost everything over the night. next day, in months.

So I had, right, right. Where? In Australia? No, no. No, no.

So I was only on a holiday. So I'd visited my sister for two months and I went to the Grand Prix in Melbourne. Well, you take some holidays. Like two weeks? Two months? No,

I was everywhere in my 20s around the world. Everywhere. So like if you look to me, I'd long hair at the time. Yeah. Drove nice vehicles. Had the house. Had nice birds,

women, you don't call them right so the fucked up thing right I came home from there so I had the house I had the car that's worth a couple of hundred grand

I had five keys of coke that were mine so just said that's worth another 25300 and at 115 cash that was gone after 18 months I had fucked myself so it literally started

with a couple of grand then it was every day it was in then sometimes I go out to the book to, you know, horses and stuff. Then I'd wait to the casino open and people were questioning me. Now, people still trusting me and they said, Derek, what's going on? Like I'd rent the tree houses to grow wheat.

Nothing happening. Yeah, yeah, we're going to set it up. So they went on and they actually went on to, one of them went on to make an absolute killing out with the weed out of these grow houses. Because, you know, you get so much a plant and you have enough plants, you'll do well. So here's me. Yeah, yeah, I'll get it gone. Friends are asking me,

there's something wrong with you. You gambling, none, no. I was telling I, so I was looking down, right? When I was going selling drugs, I was looking at this scumbag, looking down on people. Now I was no better. Here I am lying to my friends.

And I said, I'd never do. I couldn't even look at myself. Then this slot at the end, I said, right, fuck my first hundred grand I said, fuck this. I have to keep going out to get it back. Then it got to a stage where, I don't think it was even about losing money.

I think it was the buzz. More, the buzzer. of the gambling and then I would be dejected after it and then this and 18 months later I had nothing and I was back at home living with my mother at the time 29

you talk about dark that was that was pretty dark for me now Matthew was looking at me when I say words and he's going what the fuck you see what is this what is the mother yeah yeah what do you call girls he said

birds birds birds oh yeah yeah Which I've heard before. You don't hear that a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought, then you said it again.

People that say, um, that go Irish people who would tree. We can't, you know, 33. We can't pronounce it properly. Yeah. So yeah, people are very intrigued with my accent in America. All right. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Back at moms. So. So. Mothers. Mothers. Yes.

Yeah. Try not to laugh now and I pronounce them words. So. I'm back at home at my mothers and that was really unpleasant. Now my mother had reconciled with my father. This was fucked. No, it was just

a fucked up story. Like I felt sorry from my mother because she was such a beautiful woman. She lost her way having kids. She settled where she should have left my father. Jesus Christ, many, many years

before to have even a chance of another decent relationship or a career. So she drank on a lot of, I would say, missed opportunities and why me type of shit. Victimhood mentality to an extent. But again, my grandmother would have been tough on my mother. So her mother was a tough lady to handle it. You know, they were put out to work when they were young. That's just the way it was.

And here I am gone from hero to zero, really. Going what am I doing? My mother was in fear. My mother didn't want me. She knew what I was doing. Anyway, she knew the type of characters I was with. She only, she had to, like, I'd nowhere else to go. So, like, you know, she didn't want me there, my father, whatever.

He doesn't have much emotion anyway around her. And I'm not even coming out in my room. Like, you talk about darkness. I'm staying in my room. I can't even look at her in the eyes. So I'm waiting until, like, midnight to get up to eat. Then I go back to bed and I stay on my phone all day. So this went on and on.

Now, I did have a couple of charges coming up because at the time I was, um, something to do with drink, I hit somebody one night out. And I had these charges. So I had the probation officer and I had to go in and see him. So, you know, that was whatever. I didn't really give a shit at that stage. I was there sure. You know, my life, I felt worthless is what I'm trying to say.

I felt worthless. And I described myself as like a rat at night, just waiting, getting up and sneaking around the place. I didn't want to have communication. I didn't want to have eye contact with anybody. So he was sitting in front of me. And he said, I believe in you. And I start crying.

I was there, what did you say? And I'd never heard it coming out of anyone's mail. And he said, well, you've got these charges. Do you actually want to do something with your life? Now you can go in and do a little bit more time or you can actually sort your shit out now. And I said, what do you mean? He said, if we paid for you to go to a treatment center, would you go?

I said, okay, let's do it. And then I went into a treatment center. This was maybe two months later. Had you ever been to one? No, no, no, never. Now, but I had a massive ego, like, still, like, I was going in there and, you know, had to bring, could we eat these specific foods, protein, pen? They said, shut the fuck up there. Right. You do what we say, yeah. So my ego was very big. Now, this was for a month, we were in there. I thought I was getting on well, but you know, when you have certain habits and behavior, so, okay, if there's no drugs, there's no gambling, there's no drink, I'm going to go to women. So there's women there, now, you're not meant to do any of this. So obviously, day had seen me cuddling up with some women. And I'd actually, you know, was coming close to probably sleep in one of these gardens that were in there. If you sleep hot at night, you know how

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I said, well, we can see you with this specific girl. And I said, well, nothing's happened. Well, if it does happen, you're out. And what then? Where do you go from here? And they said, you're not getting on well here anyway. And I said, what do you mean by that? We're not getting on well.

Well, you're not putting any effort in. But I said, you have to understand where I'm coming from. I don't know what you want from me. You're the one here to be the guiding lead for me. So I suppose I didn't really like the, as you know, I didn't like authority. You didn't like being told what to do. but unconsciously I was acting in a certain way

that I didn't know. So I was sort of confused. Sabotaging, but confused as to what do you mean? Do I want to go home? I said, there's nowhere to go. My mother doesn't want me. She barely wanted me before this. So they said, okay, we went on,

stay there for the full term. But it wasn't enough for me. So the guy who was running this treatment center, this was about two days before left, he said, Derek, would you be willing to go to, you said a halfway house. It was something like a halfway house, much. Right. I went to. Now, in the halfway house,

there was councillors. So you had meetings every day. Do you know, these type of you sit around and chairs? They're like the AA meetings. Similar. Very similar. And you had in the nighttime nurses. Now, this was like, it was weird place. We, it's called a housing estates. I don't know what you call them in

America. So it's like, you know, just rows of houses. And like this house, there was two houses together was in the middle of this. You're in normal people going about their day to their business and here's 10 mad fuckers right from different parts of Ireland so the youngest was 18 and the eldest tier. He was 63 I think.

And I walked in there, I was there like, Jesus, is this, I'm sorry, 29 going on 30, is this what my life has come to? But I took it upon myself, I have an opportunity here to do something, you know, to do something. So most of the guys there were criminals, petty criminals. a lot of violence, a lot of things like that, they turn to, you know, better sleeping tablets, that type of shit, yeah?

So I said, right, lads, I was into fitness. I'd always trained. One thing I'd always kept up is training and eating. Even when I was taking, I'd still eat. Yeah, it's still go to the gym, no matter what. So I said, right, I know a lot about this. Why don't I take it upon myself to bring people to the gym? So actually, I'd always had leadership skills.

Always had leadership skills, but they really start shining in here and people start listening to me. And I felt good. I felt because, you know what? I'm actually doing something good for men here. And they're all responding. They're all liking it. But the house didn't like it that I was in.

Because I suppose an authority thing, I've gone, we're this and where that. Maybe people are listening to you too much. So this went on. We got over it. It was fine. But I was happier. I was definitely one of those times in my life.

I was happier. So if you were all on, 11 months there, it was now 30. So I got out. I said, I'm open enough. gym, people going, opening the gym, laughed on me. So I said, right, what do I do? Okay, first of all,

locate a building. I located a building. Now, the building, you wouldn't have put your dog into it. It was that shit. But I said, I'll use it. Next, how do I get the money for that? So I went to a local charity. I begged them for the money. So I think I asked them every day for three weeks about

this money. Eventually, a woman, an older lady, came up and said, there's the 400 euros. I told the guy with the in the story so he said we'll do it at half price which was the 400 and then I got equipment and I started a gym out of that. How'd you get the equipment? So then I went into the local government offices and they would give you a grant. So your man said it's too late for a grant. So I, this was by phone. So I went up then and I went into his office and I said, listen, I'm Derek

Rome, the guy you were speaking to and this is my story. And he said, fuck okay, man, let's do it. you know so I took initiative I took action right now I only got a thousand jurors so it could only get bits and pieces but I started classes and then in between all of that then I had met a maltese woman who I was telling you about my ex-partner who had my son with I had met her before I went in just for it was like a couple of day period so I was back in communication with her I'd went to visit her in Malta and then she moved to the city which is Waterford city where this house was now where I had this You might call it a gym. It was a shack, basically, where I did some classes. She moved. Then I found, I was following this guy, listen, I'm going to show you how to build a proper fitness business. So I looked at his webinar, taking notes like a madman. He goes right, have this deal.

The deal is it's £2,000 for six weeks of coaching with me. And I had about 1,500. And I said, damn me, what do you have? She had 500. She said, we've no more money. So we've got, you know, we had an electricity meal. we had 20 quid in a we'd a few days worth of food

I said can we do it do it so I did it I never looks back and then built the built the gym did very well out of there I think by the end of it we'd four or five personal trainers and I went back to I can cockee to what I went back taking taking powder at that stage I know yeah

I just wanted another few years of bullshit and I never looked back yeah yeah yeah yeah so we'd just try to spanner now into the work. But you have to understand as well. I might have been good at taking action, but I had not dealt with anything of the emotional. I was emotionally not available for her

or even for when I had my son. And she felt I was quite, I would say aggressive, actually towards women. I don't like saying it, but that's, because I'd save my father for so many years. Yeah. This was ingrained into me.

And I was nearly all unconscious. I knew wrong. And like, you know, I would be, I would have it. temper. I would have a temper. I always had a temper and I'd lose it and anything could fly around. Anything could go through the window. No different than my father. And here I am with a beautiful woman. I'm now had a child. I'm taking cocaine. I was missed my son's bark because I was out in my

line on powder and some other drugs. And I'm a gym owner who is quite successful. It's a personal training gym now. It's a private gym. We're doing well, but I am slowly this up like. and this went on for another till he was 10 months and she said I'm out she moved back to Malta and that destroyed me so here I am Jim started declining I'm going to visit my son in a different country so I'm going for a week every month to visit him and then the penny dropped maybe Matthew a few years ago what is the penny dropped so I decided to I needed to look deep within to sort my shit out so the penny dropped. As in the light bulb moment.

Oh, okay. Delight bulb moment I met a guy and he goes, what's wrong? Now, I'd been going to therapy and all this bullshit since I was young. And it was always going, Derek, you know, I was diagnosed with bipolar when I was 30.

Now, I've no signs of any of this, by the way, so I know it's all bullshit. Anxiety, depression, all these things. So I went in and he said to me, what's wrong? I said, oh, the anxiety of depression, all this. He said, shut the fuck up. I said, what?

He said, what are you going on about you? Have what? And I told him again, he started doing all this. I said, what are you looking for? He said, I'm looking for what you said. And then eventually I got a little bit mad, but he made me laugh. So it broke the bullshit around that. And he starts showing me how this operated.

Conscious mind, subconscious, unconscious and how habits are formed, how, you know, the whole visuals, all the tree. kinesthetic all of this type of stuff so start learning and that's when my life yeah start upgrading someone we will say did you so you stopped you stopped using powder yeah right just like that no no no no no not just like that no fuck no man um so it was working what he was doing but i was still we will say using every second weekend right so i was still on and but the more i was i wasn't even i was using much man. It was the fact that it destroyed me every time I used it. It wasn't like years ago when you were taking drugs and you could go for days and then you get a shower and you be grand

type of thing. You know, now I've responsibilities. Now I have a proper business. Now I'm a dad. Well, not a partner anymore, but I'm, you know, I'm responsible for things. So every time I did it now, I used to suffer for days. But unfortunately, this did go on for another, I would say a year to 18 months of just every second weekend. So it was a lot better than what it was. Every second weekend. Is that actually the fat... It's this weekend?

Yeah. Every second weekend. Yeah, that's how it went. So I'd be a good boy for 14 days. I deserve it. Well done. And you'd go and do it and you'd lose a week. Because literally, I wouldn't even be doing much. It would be like small amounts, maybe one or two grams.

But I would... I know, I'd still be in the circle of keeping my foot in with the lads. You know, I'd still have a lot of friends selling drugs to this day. But, you know, we keep them at arms distance. But your friends are your friends at the end of the day, right? So it was very easy for me to access. That's the madness of the talk process. So COVID four years ago, I was visiting my son.

The day after I arrived home, boom. Oh, this thing called COVID. No, you can't fly anywhere. I said, what? So this went down in a month in. I was there, shit, man. I'm missing my son now. So I said when I can get a flight to Malta, I am moving to Malta.

So that was five months without seeing my son, only by Zoom or WhatsApp video, we will say. And on July the 1st, 2020 is when I could get the flight. And that's when, yeah, I was getting it together, we will say. I was still using some more. But I was helping people now. I was showing people how their minds operate it. And I was getting good results, right? so I moved

that me and his mother got back together that didn't work emotionally too much water under the bridge whatever so then I was a mindset coach I was doing okay

I was doing okay numbers but you know I was still drinking alcohol here and there so you know this type of thing probably with your wrong people so my energy was always

attracting mad people into my life and you know yourself where it goes from there then I start telling my story about I wouldn't say even 16 to 18 months ago

I just started talking about powder and the video went viral and I said okay that's interesting. Are you still using coke? No no no not at that time no I was going to say you're still drinking and you were drinking and you were doing you were doing a coaching

oh yeah like when I'd started coaching four years ago yes you would think you're training people on how to use their be focused You would think. You would think that you would be able to say one of the things like, do you have to be like, let me get rid of this drug problem. But to me, was it a problem every second weekend?

Listen, it was an issue. But when I look back, you're correcting what you're saying. Do you know what I mean? It was it was causing me unwanted thoughts. It was causing me losing days. So yeah, it was a problem. Do you ever listen to Jordan Peterson? Yes.

I love Jordan. Yeah, he's really good. Yeah. Sorry. I was just thinking about the make your bed. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, it's true. Start, make your bed, clean up your room.

So, okay, so, so you moved to Malt, what happened to the, what happened to your gym? So the gym, COVID had, it was. It destroyed it? Well, it was still open, but we'd open, we closed. It was probably the same in certain states in America. So I gave it over to, uh, to a guy to manage, but like it didn't go well. So I just said, you know, well, he gave me some money. I took a small fee.

I said, I don't want it. So now I'm online. I'm coaching. Number clients, we're doing, you know, we're doing decent numbers. A nice lifestyle. But then I'm coming into going around, I have to take the next step. So, you know, the drugs have to go. Yeah.

Everything has to go because if I want the clean and clear run at this, all that bullshit must be, must be dissolved, must be removed from my life. And then, as I said to you, I'm a dad. So, like, you know, I'm putting my son first. It was the best move we ever made. Going to Malta, you know, I get to see him a lot. He gets to stay with me. I get to see him growing up.

and I'm leading by my actions at the end of the end. This was always what I wanted. And it broke me when, you know, when I can see why, you know, we're not together. And I always wanted a big family. So we were saying about the Irish families, they were bigger, always wanted more brothers and sisters. But it's not happened yet.

I'm sure I'll have another one or two money, a young man. Still. And so that led me then, Matthew, to, let's just say 20 months ago let's just say 20 months ago and I did this real and I was point blank enough about what I was up to in

fuck man I just got so many messages I was there Jesus one of the lads that worked with me he said fuck man I think you can help a lot of people here so from there I took on a couple of clients and what I put together for them just really worked these people were hungry they wanted to succeed so then it snowballed a bit then I put together

or a 12 week program. And now, yeah, it's hugely successful. We have a lot of success stories. We've been in 24 different countries, mainly men, some ladies. And it is showing people how to really rewire how they're thinking, rewire how to talk to themselves, how to create quality habits, how to remove the habit of course, and how their thoughts work, how their thinking works. And just how to get shit done and actually achieve a life that they can, life, they're proud.

of how to respect themselves. It goes deep man. There's marriage is coming back together. There's, you know, people getting into their mental well-being in order, getting their physical well-being in order, but also then a lot of them, about 65, 70% of them are business owners.

So, you know, they're creating financial freedom using the program as well. So it's not just for what we've realized, it's not just for, okay, my niche, you could say Coke is powder, you know, the powder coach, whatever you want to call it. But when you get into it, it goes far beyond that man this this can be used everywhere and we see that now and we want to

take we will still do what we're doing because we're saving marriages we're saving business we're saving men for themselves essentially and we're opening up a world of opportunity a world of possibility but we can see how we can help other people as well my so my question is uh let's say you know someone watching this someone's depressed they're in a rut like what is your advice or what do you think they need to do to get out of it. You talk about this going to a doctor. A man in America, it's huge. Go to doctor, take fucking tablets.

It's bollocks. I've been there, yeah? And then it was like, go to the therapist and it's like, Derek, tell me about your mummy and daddy problems. And they're like, fuck me, man. You're reassociating problems. Now, I didn't know what I know now, right? So I always had a shit because of this.

I'm doing all of this work. I'm talking and I'm still feel like shit. There's something seriously wrong. This is what ties me back to the. house and they were going they were asking the other men in the house the halfway house and i said this is shit and they're there what do you mean i said but sure none of us are taking drugs why are you talking about drugs to us like it's obviously a mindset issue here not an actual drug no you're wrong i was actually right so this guy started teaching me all this yeah um which he was um

a coach nLP neurolinguistic program and i don't know if you've ever heard of nLP but it's what I became a master at. He taught me. Now, I brought in my life experience, but we're working with men. Like, we're working with men who have been married,

who are married, who are business owners, who aren't business owners, who are doing money in the crew. If you look at a lot of the guys who were like me, you'd look in and go, he has it all.

But the darkness that's going on inside their mind, inside their heart is crazy because some of these guys they're sniffing coke once a week, sniffing powder once a week. maybe sniffing them once a month maybe some of them are sniffing it daily but we don't get many sniffing it daily it's usually weekends but it's destroying then they're missed opportunities missing missing out on

opportunities but what kills a man is this is lying awake knowing he has more tough for the world knowing he has more potential knowing he has more capabilities and doing fuck all about him at you that's the worst feeling for malice not the drugs that's what used to kill me and the guys I have the advice I would offer, it's giving yourself an honest review, as easy as it sounds, most men in that situation, or in any situation, cannot give themselves an honest review, cannot be vulnerable and go, well, do you know what? I am not really being a good present dad. I am not being a good present husband. I am actually bullshitting myself. I am canceling meetings in my business. I'm cancel meetings and work. I'm making excuses as to why I'm not where I want to be.

So you give yourself an honest review. Starts with awareness, honest review. Okay, you can move forward. But you say you need specifics. Discipline to say no to something you've been programmed to do. What I mean by program to do? Like if you go off, how is a habit created? A habit is created by the thought is the idea. Then it's the action of the doing.

Now, if you do that and you think about and you put thought behind it, you do the action and you feel it, it's going to create a habit after about 12 months, which is actually the program. So when you understand that, discipline is bullshit unless you actually have a blueprint around understanding how your mind works to implement to actually then dissolve the habit to replace with better quality habits.

But the man has to sacrifice. He has to be. And the woman, no matter whether it's man or woman, you have to be willing. You have to be able. You have to be willing to sacrifice your time, your energy. And then we use the skill of discipline. and we use the skill of focus

to implement the blueprint around it. So it's about looking at yourself. And if someone's listening to this and you want to continue wasting time, be my guest, you will get to a certain edge and you look back with pure and other regret. Are you can take the decision now

to take forward steps? But, you know, because we're big on stacking wins, build a momentum, little wins. You know, you do what you say you will do. That'll stack up. It's a good feeling. The good feelings come from all the uncomfortable

shit people are not doing. that could be the gym it could be watching a piece of content we asked them to taking that action step we ask them to again eating better quality nutrition looking after themselves bring bring that to their relationship with their wife bring that to the relationship with their kids and now it's building on it's simmer and it's pushing them forward i think the overall like consensus is american men or maybe just modern men in general are becoming weaker softer do you see that same thing oh man i could have talked a lot You see, now that you're a more comfortable here, right?

Yeah, okay. One of the biggest issues I see, and I call it out online, I call it out on fucking social media, is weak men. They play victim. They go, oh, circumstances are against me. I don't have the time.

Do you know, I hang around with the wrong people. I will just go point blank shut to fuck up. Men are not taking accountability, and they're not taking personal responsibility. So it's easier put the finger out here and go, oh, my friends do it. And, you know, on a weekend when they call me, well, you can say no and you can look at actually the life you're missing out on

or continue on the path of self-destruction. Because it is being somewhat weak in decision making, but also if you look at the modern man, he's a fat piece of shit, a lot of them. Listen, the truth hurts. Do you know, I use that hashtag a lot, the truth does hurt. I would rather somebody look me in the eyes and go, Derek,

I do not like this part about you. And if it's the truth, I will want to fix it. And men have all this fluff around them. Now it's okay, you know, you fucked up, it's okay. No, what, it's not really okay if you keep doing it. And I nobody willing to tell me the truth except that one man. And to this day, people find it very hard to tell the truth. Oh, I love that Jordan Peterson where he's like, like, like,

the worst thing you do is tell your kids that like, oh, you're perfect the way you're. are, but you're not perfect the way you are. You can be better. You can improve. You can do this. You can do that. And if things are, you know, if things are going wrong in your life, you're, you're contributing to those things most likely, you know? Like, I mean, very seldomly does do horrible. Horrible things happen to people. But it's kind of like the getting stabbed in prison. It's, if you get stabbed in prison, you probably brought it on yourself. Exactly. You know, people don't, they like, they get, when they go to prison, they get concerned with being like, well, what if this happened? Well, trust me, if you get attacked or you get hurt, you did something that they're not running around stabbing people, bro. You, you know, you ran up a gambling debt. You disrespected someone.

You borrowed money that you couldn't pay back. You talked bad about something. You know what I'm saying? Like, there are things that you do. And even then they still try and give you an out. Like check in. Go to the shoe. Get yourself moved.

No, you ain't going to do nothing. Okay, now you're going to get stabbed. Like, you know. But it's the same thing in life. It's like if you're hanging out with all the wrong people. and you're not getting up earlier and you're not doing the completing your assignments and you're you're you're putting all these things off and then suddenly you don't have the money to pay for your bills or your car or you you know oh my my insurance my insurance expired and they they

canceled my my my license and now I can't try you knew you had insurance coming they didn't they didn't do like the guys that go to prison and we're like man they gave me 10 years you gave you 10 years. Choices. Right. They, are you innocent? You're not innocent, bro. You were, you were committing fraud. Like, everyone was like, man, bro, they gave you all that time. Like, no. No, I committed bank fraud. They didn't do anything to me. I did this to me. You know, like I should be here. Yeah. You know, so, but yeah, you see so many people. It's just like, oh, you know, everything. And I hear that all, everything's stacked against me. Really? Yeah. Really? Because you're smart. You know, you're just lazy. Typically, it's just you're just lazy.

You don't follow through on things. You put things off. You don't complete the assignments that you're given. And then things start going bad for you. And then you wonder why. Because it's not hard. You write a list. And if you write a list and you start hammering away at that list, you don't have time to do all this other shit.

Actually, that Trump, I was going to say there's a Trump, that Trump thing where he said, you're depressed. He said, you know, it's great for depression. Work. Right? It's true, man. Yeah. You have time to be depressed. Work your ass off.

But it's so funny, like what we're talking about. But I'm happy, right, whether you agree with it or not about Trump, because Trump, the America does well, the rest of the world will do better, but it has to change the story. People are putting out there. People have to take more of the right actions. You see, what I've realized the biggest part of the success we have, It's, it's, yeah, they watch specific content and on the whole rewiring, but that's all great. But you actually have to go out into the rear world and roll up your sleeves and do the work and cut your shit because what we know about life, life's pretty harsh.

It's pretty tough out there, you know, and I asked you, you and your producer, there's a long have you been doing this. And you've been doing a fucking years. But people will only see that, oh, Matthew gets this and that, look at all the views. Now, that's what they see and they go, oh, that's look. That's a piece of shit mentality, number one. it's all this. Do you know, you get it? And it's like, so people are so, Jesus, caught up in what other people are doing. Well, it's actually put full focus and give yourself to respect. This is what I say to the guys and said, listen, start respecting

yourselves, whole yourself in high admiration. You will do that by doing the uncomfortable things. The best feeling comes from the hard shit. It doesn't come from the easy stuff to what we used to do, that easy, what did it call it self, self-gratification. Yeah. Yeah, they comes, you know, that, that's an easy life, man. You're not going to produce the results that are outstanding. This is about, you know, yeah, whatever, looking back in your life in five, ten years and going, you fuck, man, you know what? I've saved people, I've helped people, but I've sorted myself out.

It starts with yourself, man. Then you bring that, man, out and you don't talk, lead by your actions. You know, it's funny. The, uh, that you got lucky. I had somebody say that to me probably, I know, you didn't say that about like a year or so again. maybe six months ago. Somebody goes, oh,

well, you know, I was just saying like, wow, man, things are going so good. Yeah, you know,

well, you know, you got lucky. And I went, and I said, and I went, I did get lucky. I did get lucky.

You know when I started getting lucky? After I've been locked up for about, about three years, and I wrote my memoir. And then my memoir sucked, by the way, you know?

So I read three books on how to write a memoir. Or really, how to write non-fifference. fiction, how I am, and it was a, I don't know if they have this series over there. It's called, like, you know, writing for dummies. It's a series, right? Or the idiot's guide to writing true crime. So I read those books.

And then I rewrote my memoir. And then I started writing other guys' stories. And then I did that for seven years in prison. And then I started writing synopsis of the stories, just short versions, because I can't write a book on everybody, right? So I'm writing, I wrote four or five books while I was in incarcerated. And I started writing. I started writing letters to reporters in order to try and get them to work with me from inside prison.

And I get an article published in Rolling Stone magazine. And I get a, and then I needed a literary agent because you can't just go to someone like Simon Schuster. So I wrote over 150 letters. And I just, every day, two and three, rejection, rejection, rejection, reject. And eventually I got somebody that said, hey, I'd love to, you know, send me the whole thing. So I send a book. I got a book deal. You know, I get a literary agent.

I get another book deal. We option the life rights for this guy. I keep, and then I realize I can write synopsies. So I keep writing synopsies. Well, everybody else is playing handball and they're playing tag football and they're learning how to play the guitar. and they're learning how to do a horticulture. I don't want to know any of that stuff. I'm not interested.

I'm writing all these stories. And then just a couple of years before I get out, everybody's telling me, you need to get out and start a true crime podcast. Yeah, yeah, podcasts are big. When I got arrested, never been on an iPhone. There was no smartphones when I got arrested.

YouTube had been out one year. I'd never been on YouTube. I'd been locked up three years before the term podcast was even invented. That would be 2009. I was locked up in 2006. I was locked up in 2006. I was locked up.

So I've been locked out three years before that even existed. So people are telling me what a podcast is. Imagine trying to explain what a podcast is. You've never seen one. I'm like, so it's like a radio show?

Yeah, it's kind of like a radio show. So then I get it. And so towards the end, I'm telling people, yeah, I think I'm going to do a podcast. I don't even know what a podcast is. I've no clue. But I've been working and I've been collecting stories.

and I'm a good storyteller, and this is something I could do. I can't commit fraud anymore because the judge was very specific about that. He definitely taught me my lesson. So I knew that wasn't, shouldn't be an option. I'm going to say it's not an option.

If things go bad, you don't know. But I got out of prison, and then I started telling my story, and then we started a podcast. Don't know how to start a podcast. Don't know anything about it. Eventually start one with my iPhone, and then a camera that somebody gave me

and then Colby then I get a buddy who gets me Colby and then we keep working and it's not paying my bills I was in the halfway house go from the halfway house to somebody's spare room I'm living in a rooming house

so I'm living in somebody's room I didn't even sleep in the bedroom it had a big closet I slept in the closet so then I get my own apartment and then eventually we end up here but that whole time for the first like two and a half

years. It's not paying my bills. It's not even it's it got to a point where I'm getting a check for 300 bucks for very lucky you know yeah exactly exactly I started working on my luck 10 or 15 years ago. Facked you know and and that's the truth like the harder you work the luckier you get absolutely it just makes me sick to these people when they you know because it's ignorance at the end of the day it really is ignorant and with a story. you. Congratulations, by the way. Oh, thank you. Yeah. No, no, it's inspiring. Obviously, I know quite a bit about you anyway, but it's when I hear the words when you're

in front of me. It really is inspiring because a lot of people have the opportunity and don't take it. You've taken the opportunity. You've took it on the chin. You know, you've manned up. Essentially, this is what men need to do. They need to man up. And it starts with going, yeah, I've fucked up. This is the honest review. You did that. And let's move forward. Most people, and I said it you when they come in, most men, It's not even men, but most people will give up because it's that whole instant gratification. It's that we deserve things now. And if we don't get it now, and it's like, you know, we'll do, the fitness thing is a very good example.

We'll do fitness for, oh, why don't I have a six-back? And I should give a little and get a huge return. No, motherfucker, I have no expectations. You just keep being the best you can be on a day to day. You follow the steps. That's, this is the, we will say, the magic people are looking for it because most people think somebody else is going to save them. And even when they come into my program,

I'll be very specific. I'm not a babysitter. You will not see me with wet wipes. You do the work. And the people who do the best will take that on board and we'll do the work without expectation. And guess what happens? They achieve life changing results.

And you see, with you, yeah, people who can say that. But they don't see the fucking shit you've went through. They don't see all the bullshit. The checks coming in and going, Jesus Christ, is this all? You know, no, it wasn't too dissimilar. It wasn't too dissimilar for me

But you know The work works But it's time And time you know We have timelines It's what we do Now is going out Or create a positive future

Are it's not That's the decision Making revenue now And people need to step up Believe it or not This will be like super good When he's done Oh

Like all this No no No He'll clip it all that You'll watch You'll be like Fuck That's like flawless

Yeah Yeah yeah yeah Listen I do I do What do you call it The ad ad Listen, the ad reads. What are I?

No, DeAndi. Thank God it's, I get embarrassed. I get a little embarrassed, right? Oh. You got to read this thing. And by the way. Oh, you have to read this for the, when do you do that? Before and after?

Well, we do it like once a month. Like, I'll have a couple sheets. The difference is this. Here's the thing. You could take that and you could read it, right? I have dyslexia. Ah. I read like a, like a, like at a fourth grade level.

Yeah. Keep mind, I'm writing books. I would write the books in prison. I would write them like I'd write a chapter. And I'd go around and I'd give it to the guys that I thought were smart. And I'd say, read this. And then they would be like, yeah, bro, you misspelled this. This is a run-on sentence.

This is, you misspelled this. And then they'd give it back to me. You might want to think about using, you know, instead of wind, whatever, turbulence is probably a better word. And they'd throw in a couple. They'd help me. Because, you know, there's no word. I mean, there's no computer.

I'm writing on a legal pad. And then I'd go and I'd type it in the computer, print it out again, let them read it again. Then I'd send it to someone on the street. They'd print it out, we'd read it again. I'm getting three and four times we're going to. Then eventually I get a manuscript. Send it in, we read it a couple times.

Boom, I got a finished product. That's how long it's taking. So, but I write at a, I have dyslexia. I always went to schools for kids with learn usability. So when I read this stuff, it's horrific. And so what I'll do is I'll read, I'll find like the maybe the first three sentences I can memorize and then I'll do this. I'll put it down and I'll say, you know, you know, do you wake up in the, or sorry, do you wake up in the middle of the night sweating? Yeah.

And I stop and I look down. Well, if you get cool pillow and then I go through and then I read the next thing and I freeze and I look that. So I can do that for maybe three lines. And sometimes I can remember one or two lines. And then I'm like, Kobe, like, you can read the next one. Then I'll read the next paragraph and I'll read it two or three times because it's really bad. And then the next one, say the next sentence and then I'll read it twice and I'll like, you know, well, if that's the case, you should be thinking about, you know, getting cool pillow. And then I stop and then I read the next one.

He puts it all together with the B roll. And when it's done. It's perfect. Yeah. Listen, amazing. I hear it. I'm like, I'm a professional. I'm amazing

Yeah you feel like I feel insane after we're doing it But that's the I can see the two you work together You see it's a it's a match made in heaven We'd say we'd say in Ireland You know what I mean Two two good lads

Here like solid no bullshit Well there's me and then there's Colby Yeah I'm amazing I'm phenomenal Because you just meet some people And you get on well with them I'm at people

Most people here have got on well with But to say it's a seven and you meet something and you just go, man, there's something I can't get to, it's like now I'm at ease. It's like, I've never met you before. So you're going to be a little bit fucked, do you know what I mean? But once we were 20 minutes in,

that's when I know there's two solid guys in front of me. Because I've been on certain stuff where I'm at myself, there's something about this that I don't like. It's like an intuition you have within and out. The story will always be better on a podcast when you're at ease. It's like talking to your friend at home. It just makes things that at least you're more relaxed to your sitting. Yeah, where you don't have to think about what to say.

You know, you can just flow. We could have talked a lot more, of course, but. I'm a big believer in intuition. Yeah, intuition is, well, it's your good feeling. Listen, it, listen, every time I've, and this is the same, I already know for you, because this is just the way it is, every time you've ever cheated on your girlfriend, and you came home at the same time, you always come home, nothing, you get home, you walk in, you sit down, you, hey, baby, what's going on?

You sit down, and she's like, where you been? What do you mean, where about you? And she's like, what's going on? I came home at all come home the same time every night. They just know. It's the same thing. Every time a chick has screwed around on me, I felt it days before I, before you one day just go, something's not right. And you figure it out.

You felt it. Nothing changed. There's nothing different. It was just that feeling. So I'm big, listen, when I would go, I'd been in the bank before, cashed a check for like 29 grand. And the guy's just like. That. He knows.

He knows. And he's close. I know he called here. They answered the phone. They covered it. I know he called this person. They covered. I know he, everything he's doing.

He's like, everything is covered. Everything says give this guy the money, but I know something's wrong. And you're sitting and I'm sitting there thinking this poor bastard. He, he knows something's up and it's killing him. So by some buzz da when you're living with the money. Yeah. Oh, exactly. I walk out the door.

Yeah. They figured it out when like the Secret Service showed up a week later. Why'd you let him leave if you knew? I don't know. Yeah, everything was covered. You do all your stuff on Instagram? Instagram, Facebook. Like, you know, it's a seven-figure business in the last 16 months.

So I'm very happy with that, but a lot of work. Again, we're talking about, you know, what does it take? But people will go, whoa. It's like in Ireland, people are very critical of people. It's like the person when the big house on top of it, oh, they got lucky. Whereas I think in America you're better.

You will, I have American members and Canadians and they're much better to work with for the simple reason and maybe you should cut that piece out because they will piss people off.

Yeah. So, you know, working, well, I find coming to America, this will be better. Because one of the lads was looking to go, as you were a cunt.

Right. It's coming to America, I find people are a little bit more welcoming of your success is what I will say. They'll want you to do better. And it's not necessarily. necessarily the case where I'm from. We're very welcoming people. We will welcome you in.

We will cook. But if you do better, say, you know, you're in a group of people. And then you just decide that you wanted to do better in your step. But sometimes people have a problem with that. Yeah. I was going to say, have you ever heard the term, uh, your father is the only man alive that will ever want you to do better than him. Absolutely. Um, it's funny. I have a, I have a buddy. I want name is, uh, say who he is because he's super private. But, um, I mean, he's got, listen. he's got a Ferrari he's got like he's got a ton of just cars huge house gorgeous wife adorable kids the two perfect dogs like it just makes a ton of money and I'll and I've never

seen him angry never seen this guy angry he called me one day and he's he he was somewhere talking to somebody and he they were saying oh you just what was what did you just get new cars like yeah I got this car whatever and the guy said um he was oh Must be nice. And he, listen, he called me up, fuming. He was like, this motherfucker. He was like, I was like, oh, yeah. He was that I kind of laughed about it.

He was, because we're at a place where my wife, it's her friends, were there. He said, but it took everything in me not to say, it is nice. Do you have any idea what I had to do to get here? Do you have any idea how much I risked? How much I had to starve? How many times I, you know, just how,

how many times I came close to having nothing, how I saw the opportunities that everybody else around me didn't see or they saw but they didn't act or I spent all my money to get this thing developed. And then I had to sell it. Like all the things like you went to high school, went to school, ended up going to work for like the police department and God bless you.

But that's a regular job or whatever, you know, a government job. you got a government job because it was safe and you knew for sure you were going to go on and be okay. You're going to have a pension. You're going to have these things. You know, that sort of thing. You know, for the last 15 years that it took him to build this business, he's like, that whole 15 years, he said,

it was gut-wrenching 80 hours a week. I don't know if I'm going to be able to pay my rent next month. Agony until it hit. And he's like, and it may not have hit. It's absolutely perseverance and just grit that got him there. And nothing ever makes this guy mad, by the way. Like, I mean, when he was telling me this, I was sitting on the phone like, well, the fucker is pissed.

I can see him walking around his house like that. And I'm like, all right, well, you know, he didn't know. Keep in mind he's an unhappy person. Well, thank God he's unhappy. You know, I'm like, all right, calm. But yeah, people do. They, there's sometimes they, you know, so even here, you know, because people that tend to say that, oh, it must be nice. Like, oh, yeah, it felt, I played the lottery.

Yeah, you're right. I was, I had my job. I went and scratched it off and now I'm a multimillionaire. That's not how this happened. No, you just want to give them a slap. Seriously, if someone says that, something like that, I won't get many comments, but you know how some people can behave around you. But it's like you said, I like, because their skills, like grit, determination, fortitude, fucking focus. this all of it is a skill.

People, we weren't born with any of this. Like, we must learn it, but it's, they're very perishable. People can do it for a few months. Some people can do it for a year. But nah,

they just haven't received what they think they're worth. It's that, what's it called entitlement is actually. Oh, absolutely entitlement. It's a good word to use. And, you know, you see it a lot. And then it's, yeah, and then you see the same people

who are going on claiming, what do they want, they're, you know, going out drinking on the weekends, they're going out sniffing, drugs on the weekends and then they're complaining why they don't have that life. Well, you know, they're losing the amount of time someone loses, man. When we figured this out, if you just took drugs once a month, you're really going to

lose a week out of your life, as in you're not going to be productive. You're not going to be moving forward. That's scary as well. It's like 25% of your year. But when you start utilizing all of it and use the skills we talked about, yeah? And listen, man, use the negative energy as a positive force to propel you forward. That's what it's about. So use all that bullshit comments people say use them for your own good.

You know what's funny? I don't know anybody that's successful. I don't know anybody that's successful that that doesn't want other people to be successful. I know plenty of losers that hate on successful people. But I don't know anybody who's successful that doesn't say, you know, man, bro, I hope that works out. I want the best for you. How can I help you? That's a great, good idea.

What are you doing? Like successful people tend to want to make people other people successful that I know of. And there are those some people that climb the ladder of success and kick it out from underneath them. But most successful people I know climb the ladder of success and invite people to come. But, you know, I just think, but I know tons of people that aren't successful that do nothing but bitch and moan and gripe. And they don't even realize that that's a huge part of the, that's a huge part of the reason that you are where you are. fact you know if you go if you'd stop that and then humble and appreciative for what you do had and work hard you'd be in a great space pretty quickly you know at least a better space every

day and at some point it just takes off well it's the compound effect at the end of day it's like you know when i talked about stock and wins it's essentially what you said you just show up for yourself right to do the right things that could be just getting up a little bit harder that could be getting that better quality breakfast that could be fucking you know telling someone you know you appreciate them again it comes down to gratitude and then you know you work towards creating your absolute best ultimate version whatever that is because that's different for everybody some people are happy with that some people are happy with that and some people are happy there like it doesn't you know it's not not but it is different for everybody

and it's um but it's leading by our actions it's if someone's looking at you do you know I know when I came in and I asked you the question I said fuck you've been at this on you you would have been at I couldn't I had an in and around time friend before I came here but when you said this is the fourth year yeah like at the start it wasn't like this now imagine in another four years what you're capable of you're you know it's you can't put a time on it

and say well I'm going to have this by them but if you look at your trajectory and we look at the evidence man fuck my man you're going to be an unstoppable force to you I can say that good people man hopefully we're working on it no no you will be don't be using words like hopefully that's a bullshit word man

I am and I will don't I'm talking hopefully. I want to try and remain humble. I want to be humble and be appreciative for what I do have. But you are, but you're doing right by the world as well. Like when you're doing right by the world, I get what you're saying. It's yes to be humble,

but it's the words have an effect as well on how you think. Like if, you know, when we say words, people create thoughts from those words. You know, it's funny is that, is that my wife feels like I work all the time, all the time, right? And I don't feel like I work ever. Even though I am here and I am on the,

but to me, I'm like, I'm doing stuff that to me, it's like, it's hit or miss. Sometimes I'll do something. I'll work on a whole project and guess what? It just goes the way it's like I'd never make it anything. I work on another project. Next thing you know, boom, it pays off and you make a few thousand dollars. You know, it's those types of things. I'm always working on different things.

You know, sometimes they pay off. Sometimes they don't. But I like everything I do and I enjoy working just constantly. Yeah. You know, and the great thing is like, you know, working for yourself. If she says, hey, do you want to go to lunch? You're like, yeah, let's go to lunch. You know, or, hey, let's go do this.

Absolutely. You know? But, like, if we're going to go play, go bowling here in a little bit. Nice. But, you know, if not, I'd probably be here until she yelled it. To come watch the new, the new episode of silo, you know, or something, you know. So, yeah, I would work all the time, but I could just because I really just enjoy it. But I think that's also something that you have to train yourself to realize that you're not,

working, this is just something you enjoy, and then it immediately stops becoming work. Absolutely. But again, it's, it's how you think. You know, you think about your thoughts. You think about how you talk to yourself. You know, again, it's. But if people are not getting the results they want in the real world, it's, you know, they have to look within, but they're always looking outside for something else or someone

else or something else. This doesn't go on my way. No, motherfucker, go within. It's a mindset reset. It's always an inside job. When people understand that and you bring in the, how you think, how you talk to yourself. Then the feeling,

it's always the feeling that's attached to one of the, one of the visual or the auditory that's coming in. You, do you attach more good feelings by doing the heart you? You know, we know that. Like how many people would do four years? I've not,

are the first two or three years and really not getting paychecks. Not many people will do that. I think, you know, here, I think a lot of people would do the three or four years if they knew there was a paycheck. Of course. But the thing is,

you that's the problem you don't know we're going and going and going and we don't know if there's a paycheck at the end of it but you feel it but you don't know and there will be more

I can pretty much I'm very confident leaving here today and it's actually that the paychecks will be a hell of a lot bigger the next time I come back and visit here so I'll definitely be back in a year or two come and see us so I remember that now

newer cars outside for service this bigger house, maybe a nice house. Yeah, we'll have another plaque on the wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. That's 100%. All right. Is that, you know,

I think it's good. Where do I tell people to go? Guys, to follow for more and to find out a little bit more about me and follow me at D-R-Metit. So D-R-O-W-E method. What is it? D-R-Metit, so it's mine, it's D-R-Metit.

It's one word. D-R-R-H-R, should I say that again? And spell the whole lot. Oh, yeah, yeah, you probably spell it. Okay. So, D for Derek. Roll my second name, R-O-W-E and M-E-T-H-O-D. What is M-E-T-H-D.

Met it? Like, meted. How do you spell it? I spell it. How do you spell it? M-E-T-H-D. Met-M-E-T-H-D. Method.

M-E-T-H-D. Method. Method. Method. Yeah, I better spell this. Maybe, maybe. , maybe you're better signer. Okay.

Yeah, we'll say it. I mean, I might leave this in. Just because people like that. People like this. Some of the words I've said. I could see him when I was talking, going, what the fuck does that I mean? What is the method? I could say he was very confused at least 10 times throughout this conversation.

So it's D-roll method. D-roll method. Yeah, D-roll. No, Ro. R-W-R-W-E. D-R-Met method. Yeah. On Instagram.

The link will be in the description. And I might even leave this. Okay. Well, do you want me to say that? You're good. Yeah, no, you don't need to say, Ian. Hold on, let me do it. All right.

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