Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Getting Caught With A Fake ID...

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

Getting Caught With A Fake ID...

Mr. Allen, I'm like, no. What's your name? I go, my name is, blah, blah, blah. You know, whatever I use. And he's like, you have ID? Yeah. He's like, oh, got it. Hey, this is Matt Cox.

Zach. And we are answering subscriber questions. So, this is it. Yep. Let's go. So what's the, what's a good question? question more and more questions for Zach which it does hurt me a little bit I don't think it's that many right here it's a little I don't think it's that many right here in my heart it hurts

a little bit when I hear guys say you're awesome Zach you're amazing you're right and then one guy was like you know oh and I love you too man well that sounds like that was just like threw me in there that was that was a pity that was pit out of pity uh all right pity so what's up oh um well what's your favorite thing to eat who me yeah bacon i answered that guy bacon you answered that guy before yeah when i saw it because i i i didn't realize right because we posted i posted that little i posted that comment what is it what is it the community comment i posted the community comment saying hey ask us questions and that came in right away as soon as i commented it or put the comment or put the uh the notice up

So I didn't think it was the same thing. I answered. And then I thought, oh, wait, I'm not supposed to be answering these. But yeah, I've said bacon. Oh. Like bacon, bacon scallops or something like that? I would eat. Bacon and scallops?

Oh, my God. Scallop wrap scallops? I didn't really did that. It's amazing. They're amazing. You know who used to have them? Who used to have those? They were great.

Bonefish grill. Bonefish? Oh, I got to try that. I got to try that. I don't think they have them anymore but they'll make them for you because when I got out of prison and I went to Bonefish Grill

for the first time and it was still by the way six when I got out of custody it was six months later before I actually went to a restaurant and I didn't even pay for it somebody else paid for the meal

they were like what do you want I said you know you guys used to have this but it's not on the menu and the woman said we'll make them for you they made them they were awesome they were amazing what's another question and we got a ton of questions like i posted that last night late last night and by this morning we had like

40 questions this is ridiculous i know all right so um did you ever consider trying to have oh i didn't name my favorite my favorite thing to eat is uh i'll say cereal specifically frosted rice crispses did you ever watch friends yes asked joey one time what's your favorite thing to eat and he goes sandwiches they're like what kind of sandwiches sandwiches any guy just sandwiches that's what you say cereal yeah cocoa puffs or brand raisin brand it's a huge difference raisin puffs but all right so let's go all right um did you ever consider trying to have your fingerprints altered while on the run it's funny you say that because i i i don't know how much i looked into it but somebody you know the problem with your fingerprints is that they grow you know from obviously they

grow out so yes the only thing you can really do to alter them is scar is extreme scarring like you can put acid on them and you can actually constantly put acid on your fingerprints and wear them down and there's some kind of sulfuric acid or some kind of acid where you could do that all the time but i mean you know in the end it's going to come back yeah look if they got you yeah they're going to wait eventually and even at some point they're just they grab it you and they think they know who you are? I mean, at some point. Well, you know, fingerprints are generally for murder or, or violent crimes. They don't, they don't do fingerprints mostly for like fraud. See if you can get the fingerprints off that check. You'd be like, a lot of people

have touched that check. So here's the thing. I know what you're saying. I had a scam that I ran one time in Orlando. Guy gets, so this is actually this chick, Allison, one of my, one of my co-defendants, we actually had a scam, and so we ran a scam, and it got caught halfway through, I don't want to go into the whole thing, but basically halfway through, they recognize, they think that it's not her on her license. It is her, but they, for some reason, because she changed her hair, they think it's not her. So it sparked this huge investigation, and they didn't give her the check. Well, that investigation ended up spilling over to another scam I was running in Orlando,

You know, and you'd have to read, like, the book and everything. So I had two different scams. And so the FDLE came in first because it was multiple because the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is FD. So they came in because it was all within Florida, but it was multiple counties. So one, so, you know, Tampa PD can't be investigating something in, you know, in Jacksonville. Right. So the FDLE came in. And one of the things he did was he actually.

he actually did dust everything that Allison had touched in order to see if he could get prints. Right. And I didn't know that at the time. I ordered the Freedom of Information Act when I was in prison like five years later and read it. And when I read it, he actually had a whole thing where he had ordered the stuff and he got it back. And the crime lab came back and said that there were no prints found. And now, every time I sent somebody in, like with Allison, I sent her and we put super glue on her fingers. We just did like the tips of her, the first few tips of her fingers and the side of her hand.

So I was like, look, you can put your hand down and you can sign something. But, you know, because we had the, we had, we basically had her hands. I don't know that I did every digit. I did every, the tips of every finger, thumb, and the base of her, anything we thought was going to touch. Right. Because she was a mortgage broker, and so she's, she's in the system. Like, she's got fingerprints are out there. Right.

So, but I think what one of the things that guy might be thinking, too, is like, Matt, if you got grabbed, if they were looking for me and they grabbed me as somebody else and I have a real ID, they think I'm, they think I'm Michael Eckert. So they're putting me in as Michael Eckert. They may fingerprint me. And find out that you're not Michael. Find out I'm not Michael Eckert. He's saying, what about altering him? But the truth is, you can tell that they're altered. Like, if you alter them, typically it's only temporary.

And if you scar them so that there are scars, there's like these little, I forget what they call them, the little round base points that they actually kind of pinpoint. You'd actually have to scar over every, it'd be difficult. Yeah. I wouldn't think it's worth it. For the crimes, I just don't know how often they would do that. But it's interesting they did that and found no prints. They found no prints because they were

I mean she I told me she had super glue over everything Oh that was Allison All of her everything she They didn't find anything on her Because every She had we put super glue on every All in her hands before she walked in Listen bro I was trying to think of everything

Right Was it super glue or Elmer's school glue? No I used super glue It could have been Elmer's glue Would have been great Yeah because that makes like a little film And they don't really see it What super glue do you don't either

Oh okay She put super glue or it was a clear gloss the super glue that not like the runny one but the and yeah we did it and the worst thing was that was for the next three days you're picking off super glue from your fingers and it's hard to i don't know if you've ever had super glue on your hands if you if you put super glue on your fingers and you try and pick up anything it's super difficult yeah you're just so you're sliding your stuff over and having to pick it up on the it's got to look off of the of the of the desk makes sense um let me see i remember Travis went in one time we had put a bunch of he had super glue on some

fingers and he we had wrapped up like two of his fingers were wrapped up and then we put like we put uh band-aids on a couple of his fingers like we were really like so and he was like yeah i fell i don't know i was riding my bike and i went over the thing and i hit the ground and i he had a whole story behind why his hands were like right because we had gone in a couple times with super glue and didn't want to use it anymore he was like yeah i'm sick of this like i'll do three fingers and the rest of them we're going to put band-aids over because I'm picking super glue off for four days. All right, so my opinion

of that is that that cause like they would have to need ballistics immediately. Like what happened? Ballistics is for, you mean forensics? Forensics, thank you. Bullets. Yeah. I've never shown. All right, sorry. They would need forensics immediately because

like people touch that. Yes. Because if a desk in a daytime if I sit here and I left and they ran to fingerprints, I'm sure they'd be multiple people's Brent to you. Especially in a title company, because that's all your title company or or inside of a bank is the only place you're going to be constantly touching things. So how many people are on a loan application, God knows how many people go through a loan application. Like you know, you touch it. The customer touches it. The loan officer touches it. The processor touches it. The underwriter touches it. The, whoever's, you know, putting together the file. Like there's just, who knows how many underwriters touch it actually. And it just goes, it gets touched over and over and over and over again. Right. But I, I, I, I hear. care you, yeah. But no, I never, I mean, I did think about it. I just didn't think it was worth it. Plus, I was so arrogant, I thought, they're never going to catch me. Don't need to go get crazy. Did you really think that? You thought? I really thought I was never going to get caught. Keep

in mind, the few times I'd been caught, I'd been caught by banks and lawyers, and I'd always talked my way out of it. I'd been handcuffed, I'd been handcuffed. I'd been handcuffed. I'd been handcuffed. He told me about that. brought downtown talk my way out of it so i mean by you got to think my confidence level on my ability to talk my way out of something is through the roof at that point you got hey i remember that story hopefully we cover that all right what's the biggest or weirdest thing you saw flushed down the toilet in prison i don't i mean i've i mean other than what drugs yeah well you know drugs i mean you've heard the story about um there was someplace in like i want to say arizona state prison or something that they killed some guy and they cut him up and flushed him down the toilet piece by piece by piece i've heard that story i don't know how true that is that that can't be too true

what the the biggest thing i've seen is a guy that they beat up pretty bad when i got to the pen and he had a bloody sheet and the guy goes flush it down the toilet he's like how am i going to look so what he did was he took the sheet and he flushed and just kind of funneled it yeah and and And he kept flushing. And he kept flushing. Got it all the way down there. Yeah, those toilets are something else. I know, pretty powerful.

That was the weirdest thing I ever saw. But yeah, he slid that down there. I'm going to tell you the... Bro, we had such a vastly different experience in prison. Yes, we did. But the worst thing I saw flush down in the toilet was my MP3 and my headphones. By accident? By accident.

I had it clipped to my shirt, right? And listening to it at nighttime, you know. You know, and they give us the little tiny MP3 that you can clip on to certain items. So I had this clip to the collar of my shirt, and I used the bathroom in the middle of the night, and I have to lean over to put, because there's a button you push the flush of toilet. So I lean over to press the button, and when I lean over to press the button, my MP3 falls off. Blip! It's like, it goes down, and it pulls the headphones right out of my ear, because when I look, I'm like,

and then, plop. headphone and MP3 down the toilet I was like a scene from a movie I was sick I moaned so loud my celly woke up like what happened I'm like I just flushed my

how much easier was your time with the MP3 player oh my goodness that was like that knocked like 20% of my sentence off having an MP3 player going into the zone and disappearing from and you hey I'm listening to music bro let me yeah oh

It was almost like when you went to commissary and we'd get a little pint of ice cream. Yes. It was like a little taste of freedom. It was like five or ten minutes. You know that that ruined like, yes, eating it did was a little taste of freedom. But the fact that you had to eat it right then and there, like you couldn't eat it at a time that you want to. Unless you want to eat it. Yeah.

Going to the store at seven o'clock in the morning and having to eat ice cream, that that ruined pretty much a good day. Yeah. All right, so this guy says, I would be interested in hearing about politics of pardoning and deal, why some people get pardoned and some don't, politicians using crime criminals as face for pushing legislation, state and federally, and how do a lot of Wall Street guys get light sentences and other financial criminals get longer sentences at federal level? My God, that's a hell of a question. I mean, that's an hour and a half, two-hour podcast right there with two people that know what they're talking about. Well, the answer to that really is money. All that is money. I agree.

And prior record, the Wall Street guys have no prior conviction, so they get bond and they get money. And believe me. And they can hire lawyers that can really, really tear apart a case. Yeah, and the sentencing guidelines. Like they can, like the way the sentencing guidelines are written, they're extremely broad. Yes. Right. So take Conrad Black, for example. Conrad Black take the same charges and the same dollar amount for Conrad Black, and most people would have gotten 20 years.

Conrad Black got a few years, right? I thought he had like 10. But he won in the Supreme Court. I know. That's what I'm saying. He won. Could you have won that case? No. You don't have the lawyers. You can't pay a dream team of lawyers to fight the case. Now here's the thing.

So that charge with that dollar amount with all the under the sentence and guidelines, and let's say he got, I think he got like 10 years. Did he get what? I mean, it was like level, what was the highest level? 32. I don't know, but yeah, it was. He got a huge sentence, right? So what you're saying?

He initially got a huge sentence. But it got cut. He only did a few years. Yeah, right. Because he won in the Supreme Court. Something that they adjusted, they legislated and I think they made something in the sentencing guidelines. to apply to him, right?

Okay, they forced it to apply. They forced, like, mail fraud, like, um, dishonest services mail fraud to apply to him, which it didn't. So he beat that. They then said, look, you cannot charge this guy with this crime because he doesn't meet that criteria. And as a result, he got let out, right? And they had to resentence him.

When they resentenced him, he had to come back in for a few months, like three or four months, and then he left again. Oh, okay. Have you met him? You met Conrad Bloss? No. No, I mean, I was like, I barely missed him by like a few weeks in the low. Him getting out the second time or the first time?

The first time. Okay. Because he got out, then he had, I think, the first time. Then he came back, but he didn't come back to Coleman. He came back to another incident. He went to like Miami to the camp or something below for a few months. But that's neither here and order there. The point is that, so he got a big sentence, but he ended up starting a little, very little time.

here's the thing how many times prior to that had the federal government charged someone with the same crime it didn't apply to and every one of those people did all of their time so they did 10 years they did five years that they shouldn't have until someone like conrad black comes along with a dream team of lawyers who can go all the way to supreme court and explain to the supreme court that basically my crime doesn't fit this criteria i shouldn't have been charged under this therefore i should be released and resentenced right so prior to that For 20 years, people were being charged with that crime, doing all their time and getting out because they don't have the money to fight it. Well, what about, what's his name, Kraft? I don't know with that one. With the prostitution, where they sat and they videoed him

coming out of that salon in South Florida. You don't remember about that? Well, he got charged with solicitation. The owner of the Patriots? Yeah, the owner of the Patriots. No, I didn't hear that. You didn't hear about that. real quick, probably over, overview, he went into a massage parlor in South Florida, and they were

watching that massage parlor. And when he came out, I guess they started recording the address or that his car would pull up and how long he was in there and he came out. So then they went and they charged them with solicitation of like prostitution. Even though they don't know what happened in there. Kind of, I think they arrested the girls and they kind of twisted the girls' arms. Well, they took him to jail. Well, then he hired some huge dollar lawyer who kind of came in and said, so tell me about your surveillance. They're like, well, we sat over here and we watched it for, you know, like five, six hours or a whole day.

And he's like, according to the law, if there's nothing going on, you can't just watch like innocent people doing innocent things. Right. You know what I'm saying? You have to have a suspicion of a crime. So if you watch them for an hour and a half, you got to stop. You know what I'm saying? So you weren't really suspicious of a crime.

You're just going to sit like, I could watch you all day until you did something wrong and then arrest you. So they're like, you can't do that. So he brought into light the fact that when it comes to surveillance, there's a limited time frame where they can actually sit and watch you do something innocent. All right. And turn that whole law around. He got that whole case thrown out based on that. Well, it would have been one of us, absolutely no way a lawyer would have argued that point. No, no.

Well, you have to think, too, like, so when you get arrested, and so first of all, most people, they get arrested, the first thing they do, if it's any kind of money crime, they come in, they seize everything you have. Well, if you're Conrad Black or someone, they don't, if you're a Wall Street lawyer who's got $30 million in all these different assets, they don't seize anything. Like, typically they come in, they arrest you, or they indict you, they bring you downtown. They typically, like, they don't show up with guns drawn. They knock on your door with a bunch of guys. They say, hey, look, you're coming with us. they handcuffed you, they let you, like they treat you way different. Yes.

Because they know this is going to, there's going to be a lot of lawyers involved, this guy's got money, and we don't really have, we can't get a federal judge to sign off saying we're going to seize 45 different accounts. We're going to seize all this proper. Like, because the truth is, we don't know how much of the fraud is covered in all of this. And it'll look bad because we know it's going to get publicity. We know the one thing we, Zach and I agree, most criminals will agree with is the one thing that government does not want is press.

Right. So if you're. arrest some wall street guy with a bunch of money he can one fight you so now it's it's an even playing field it's not an even playing field with some fraudster who's stolen a million dollars and doesn't have anything in his name right or he's got some stuff in his name but you're thinking we we kind of feel like it's from fraud so sees everything he has because he's not going to get a lot of press he's not we seize everything too we put him in a bad position he's going to have to get a public defender because that's what happened like with me you they come and grab me there's

700,000 in this account. There's 400,000 here. There's X amount of money all over the place. There's a bunch of assets. But guess what? None of us in Cox's name. So we can seize everything. He has no choice but to go with a public defender. And the federal government is really not in the federal government. I think it's the bar association. I'm sure some lawyer can correct me. So, but I'm pretty sure the bar, there are, there's things called certified public certified trial attorneys. Right. Okay. So like less than three percent of lawyers are certified trial attorneys, which means that they've spent X amount of time actually in the courtroom. Right. All right. So that's one thing that that's a list that's out there by the bar. But there are other lists that are

held by the U.S. Attorney's Office and insurance companies where they say, how often has this attorney gone to court? Trial. So think about it. They know. They know that Zach's an attorney. He's a He's a federal public defender, or he is a, he's under the federal public defender program where he's put himself up there to be, to represent criminals. But we also know this about him. He's never gone to trial. He's been trying cases. He's been taking cases for 15 years. He's never actually tried a case.

So guess what? If Zach gets appointed that independent attorney under the federal defender program, so he gets appointed that. he gets appointed that lawyer, Zach can't go to trial. He won't go to trial. He'll take any plea we offer him because his attorney might bitch and moan, but we know in the end his own attorney is going to convince him to take the plea because when we get to a point where we say that's the least we're going to offer him, we'll just go to trial. We know the attorney's going to turn to Zach and scare the hell out of him, man, you can't go to trial, brother. They're going to give you 30 years. You've got to take this plea because he doesn't want to go to trial. You know why? He's

never been to trial. He doesn't really know how to do trial. He's terrified. And he's never done trial he's not going to do trial right he's going to convince his client to take a deal so we're going to give him 10 years and he'll sign the 10 years because we know his lawyer can't go to trial he's terrified yep and that's what happens and that's what happens in law like like for instance you get into a car accident and your lawyer comes in and you go with this lawyer and that lawyer goes to state farm insurance state farm's insurance adjusters go who is this oh 30 years been to trial twice lost both times hasn't been to trial in 15 years he ain't going to trial then they go and they offer Zach a hundred thousand dollars for what should be a million dollar settlement right

Zach's own lawyer convinces him to take the hundred thousand dollars he should be should be a million but the title they know right he's he's got poor representation well then that that infers that the entire system is screwed up because because you're right no stop it I won't sit here and listen to you talk about about the justice system in the United States. You're right. You're absolutely right. Yes. That's what that kind of infers.

And then the fact that these lawyers just take money from insurance companies who jack up the rates of the people who have to have insurance. You know how many times I've been in prison and met some guy who got seven or eight years for like $30 million. $50 million. What? Just a few years. And I'm sitting there going, I got hit with $6 million and I got 26 years. How did you get seven years? Well, it was this crime or it was that or was that or I or went to trial on $6 million.

Went to trial and lost and got like 12 years. 12 years? You went to trial and lost and got 12 years. Well, I had a very good lawyer. And you're right. You did have good lawyers. Right. Because I had a public defender who, you know, she did what she could.

I mean, look, in my case, it's hard to, in my case, there wasn't a lot of wiggle room because I was so overwhelmingly guilty. Right. But the other thing is the way they, the way they hit you up for, like, your dollar amount. Like, my dollar amount is so ridiculous. Like, they, I know a lot of guys that plead guilty to dollar amounts that they truly feel like I pled guilty to $15 million or $10 million, but I never saw $10 million. And then, you know, there's all these things. that offset it, and even though the U.S. Attorney Office knows, they always try and hit you for the full amount, which is just such a scumbag thing. So if you borrow half a million

dollars, right, on an asset that's worth 400,000, so if the bank's never going to lose more than 100,000, they have a house worth 400, they lent half a million. Right. There's only $100,000 in what's in potential loss. Right. That house offsets the half a million So the government will come in and say We're going to hit you for We're charging you for half a million dollars Isn't that that intended loss?

It is, but you understand Like in my case, they first came out of the gate saying they were going to hit me over $25 million. You know, damn well, I didn't take $25 million. So it's up to your attorney to argue that down. But think about it. That U.S. attorney would have been perfectly happy to give some guy 30 years

that he knows he may be made half half a million dollars. Yeah, but we've got numbers that say 25 million. So we're going to charge you with 25 million and your lawyer can argue it down. What if my lawyer says, yeah, that's the way it is. That's just how it is. It's 25 million. You're going to have to take the 30 years.

Okay. So you plead guilty to 25 years or to 30 years. Think about that. Right. That's totally up to your lawyer because you're just some guy who commits fraud. You don't know that you could only really be charged for a million dollars. True. Well, I mean, you say all that, and my loss amount was $130,000, and I got 198 months.

Your arrest record is outrageous. Yes. It's off the chart. Yes. You've never. You have like a learning disability when it comes to crime because, like you can't seem to understand. You have to stop this. You keep getting arrested and arrested and arrested.

And all you're thinking is, well, these are learning experiences. No, these are chances. Unbelievable. Good point. But we'll talk about that in the next video. But we've got another video. We're going to talk about arrests and how they went and how it happens and how you're treated and the process. So go ahead.

Sorry. All right. It says, ultimately, what gets people caught, greed or complacency? Or is it extant factors, women, kids that hold people in one area that ultimately lead to their arrest? What do you think? I think it's more complacency than greed. Because the greed is what leads you to the pull off, what you're pulling off, and what puts everything together. And initially when you do it the first time, it's very, you're watching everything.

and when it works, you're kind of like, okay, cool. So then you might go to second and third time, and you kind of get complacent and forget to cover certain items that are very important. Yeah, yeah, I definitely think you become emboldened by your success. Right. That's part of it. Obviously, look, I think, I think part of it is the same thing.

Part of it is driven by greed. You need the money or you want the money. Sometimes it's necessity. Sometimes you're just in such a horrible, situation, you see a very, very clear path to making a bunch of money. And, you know, so you take that, you know, you take that path. But I think, I think what happens is the more emboldened I got, I mean, the more crime I got away with, the more emboldened I got.

Yes. Like, I did constantly think, fuck it, I can do this. You know, I can get away with this. I can do this. I can do it. Yeah, I'll go in the bank. You said earlier that you didn't think you would ever be arrested. Like, they're never going to catch me.

Absolutely. Because every time they caught me and I talked my way out of it, I thought, man, I'm good. I'm good. I know what I'm doing. Like, I'm good at this. I'm, there's never going to happen. So it did. It kept getting, you know, my arrogance kept getting higher and higher and higher.

And I'm not sure. That makes sense. But I think also, you know, everybody always, you know, it's always like, oh, a woman, this, or that. Okay, well, look, you were going to get caught eventually. You can't say, like, is this one chick told on me, and that's why I got, or my buddy got, you were going to get caught anyway. Eventually, you're going to get caught.

How many law enforcement officers are there out there? You know what I'm saying? And they're looking at you, and they're looking for this, and everybody's looking out for this. I mean, eventually, to think you could do this forever, I think the only way to do it is to do it, do it successfully, get away, and then just stop. And then you've got a chance. Yes. like what yeah I don't it does the the noise this is do you hear this I hear it yeah can you hear it on the

um it's tough to tell it sounds a difference between here and what I'm hearing you're right right yeah and I knew this eventually that was gonna that's why I got I have to get into a bigger place a house where I don't have neighbors or no Saturdays you got to do it yeah well the the thing is like that's the dog like that's the dog that's a bone like they the dog will pick when he gets hyper and he'll run around he'll pick up the bone and drop it pick up the bone and drop it and he's playing with the bone so but i don't think you hear it on the

on this if anybody hears the bone dropping upstairs the boom boom let us know in the comments all right this one's for me it says much respect brother my question is have you ever considered becoming a pastor so that you can legally scam the way you talk you would be very believable and good at it. This I got out of here. No. I've often thought of becoming like a motivated, a motivating, motivated speaker. Motivational speaker.

Thank you. Wow. I know what the, I know. And you worked for, he worked for Anthony, Anthony, oh, I was going to say Tony Robbins. Yeah, Tony Robbins. It's Anthony, Tony, I mean. Anthony Robbins or Tony Robbins. He actually worked for him for, what, 18 months?

Yeah. That's pretty good. Did you know that? No, what was that? Yeah, bro, that's why I want to tell him to come one day when he has like two or three hours and can tell his whole story. It's insane. This was in the 90s when he had his. Got fired from Anthony Robbins.

By Anthony Robbins. And said when he was done, he said when he was done firing him, he said, I felt really good like I was going to go on and be successful. Like it was the best firing I'd ever had. Like that was motivating, huh? I'm out of a job, but damn. I feel good. I feel like I do have a future. Not with him, though.

No. Elsewhere. Yeah. Yeah, we'll have to do a whole video in that. Oh, we had to... After the full story, you can do like a... Oh, that's part of his whole story. That's part of his story.

Well, yeah, it was his train to trainer when he was training people to train people. He had this whole program going. And I think I was, like, in my opinion, I was the token. You know, it's like, back in the late, late 80s, early 90s, it's like, Hey, get a black dude. Okay, got one. Cool. We are integrated, yeah.

What's the next one? Okay, but no, I never thought about becoming a pastor, but I have thought about becoming a motivational speaker. Nice. What's it like going into the bank now after you've been out of prison for defrauding them? Having a B-O-A, a Bank of America account now would be hilarious. Yeah, so I can, let me, you can answer it first because obviously I've opened a Bank of America. account. I didn't try them. Yeah, I did. I tried to open a secured Bank of America account. I sent

them the money and they sent me, no, I didn't send them money. Sorry. I applied and they just came back and said, not interested. Now granted, I do owe them $2 million. I feel like they're holding resentment. It's like, get over it. It was like 20 years ago. It was like 17. The FDIC gave you your money. Yeah, yeah. It was like 15 years ago. Right. That I, you know, so whatever. They're They're just, you know, they're just, they're holding on to it. So, one, they wouldn't even let me open a secure credit card. I did go and open up a business account with them. So I opened up a business account and they shut it down like two weeks later.

Right. I don't know what happened. They ran me through the system, everything. They were like, yeah, no problem. And I'd already been denied for the secured credit card. And I thought, huh, okay. So, and I knew other guys that got denied for secure credit cards with Bank of America. So I thought maybe they're just a little bit stricter.

Anyway, I opened up a business account. Two weeks later, they mailed it back. They just said they closed it for no reason. But the first time I went into the bank, I was in a halfway house. Right. So I went into Wells Fargo and I opened a bank, a bank account. Wells Fargo had an agreement with the halfway house to allow people at the halfway house to open up accounts. So that was the account I got opened.

But when I walked in there, I just remember thinking, you know, I walked in there like, where are you staying? I was like staying at the halfway house. I were like, oh, okay. You know, very polite, very professional, but I kept feeling like they're going to close the account. They're not going to give me an account. But they did. They gave me an account. I was like, and everything went through okay. She was like, yeah, yeah, everything was fine. Yeah, I was like, okay. So I've had that account, that account's been great. Wells Fargo is a good bank. I'm TD Ameritrade. I haven't, I didn't, I didn't start with them. I started with Chase. And Chase,

Chase. I don't think it's going to be too bad on here. That's insane. It is. Chase closed my account afterwards. Why? They didn't tell you. They just say, we're closing your account.

Yeah. And a month later, we'll send you your money. But they, apparently they, Chase must have some connection with netspin. Because when I got out, I didn't get a bank account. I just went ahead and got a prepaid card with the Western Union netspin card. and I was using that and then my brother said

why don't you just get a real bank account so I went online and applied it for Chase and they granted it and opened it and everything so then they closed it so I didn't know what had happened I figured I was in NCIC

so then I went to another bank TD Bank and I've been there ever since I love it you know so yeah no problem secure cards at all you know

it's funny I feel the same way about every time I've gotten on a plane or well not every time the first time I went to fly I just remember thinking they're never going to

me on the plane. Like, you know, I have passport fraud. I had a red notice on Interpol. Right. Like I was on like a no fly list. Like there was all these things that they were looking for Matthew Cox. Now, granted it was 15 years ago, but I was thinking there's just no way. They're going to run my name. I'm not getting on, but I've never had a problem. We'll really know when I have to fly when I go to Europe. I'm going to Europe in a couple weeks. So when I go to Europe, I'll be run through the system. Like, then I'm going to know. Especially coming back. Into the U.S.?

Yes. Yeah, like, leaving, you're right. Leaving might be not be an issue. Coming in might be. I don't know. We'll see. I mean, I almost want to get pulled aside and questioned. I want to be able to go, but I'd almost be comical.

Like, what a great story that would be. Mr. Cox, we'd like talk to you over here. Awesome. What's up? No, they, I could tell you from experience of the couple of people who I know that came back in the country and got picked up. up like so when you walk out of the terminal it'll be two people and they'll be like mr cox can you can you can you follow us please oh you're not going to go through it's not going to be at passport

control yeah now you're going to you're going to you're going to come off the plane and they're going to be like excuse me mr cox you're like yeah I'm going to be like no I'm going to be like who mr. Cox can you follow us please I'm so sorry you must have me confused okay my another fake ID my name's Johnson you know that that's That's part of my arrest and feds. Oh, I know, I know. They asked me, I go, no, my name is such as such. They're like, oh, oh.

Now we've got you for identity theft, too. That was an extra two. Did you just gave me a fake idea? That was an extra two years. Aggravated identity theft. Nice. That's exactly what he did. It's like, I go, Mr. Allen, I'm like, no.

What's your name? I go, my name is, no, blah, blah, blah. You know, whatever I use. And he's like, you have ID? Yeah. He's like, oh, got it. Two extra years Yeah, let's go

Good try, buddy All right Did you ever fight a guard Or see a guard fought? Interesting story of someone attacking a guard Okay, first of all, anybody watching this It's embarrassing that someone would even ask this, right? Like, either one of us are going to fight a guard.

Not fighting a guard. You can't, you don't win fighting a guard. No, no. Even if you got it took, even if you got the best of them, which I'm not getting the best of anybody. So if I got the best of them, I mean, you're going to get the piss beat out of you when they, in the back, when they grab you and catch, you know, people think, oh, no, I don't do that. The hell they don't. They'll beat your ass like you can't believe. And then they'll keep you into the shoe until you heal.

And then they'll let you see the doctor. See, we told you nothing was wrong with. them. That was two months ago. I'm all better now. Yes. But yes, have you seen a guard get beat up or attack?

Yeah, I've seen a bunch of guards getting to fights. At the low? I didn't see this. There was actually one time a punk. The guard tried to grab the punk. He yanked,

the punk yanked away. Don't you touch me? And ran. Really? He went into the bathroom, into the toilet stall and closed the door. Well, the guard caught up and realized, okay, he's in there. Goes in and kicks open the door and the punk attacked him.

He fell on the ground and he was beating on him. The punk is screaming while he's fighting with the guard. The guard is screaming. Like, help! Help! I mean, it was a whole thing. It was hilarious, bro. The guard had a black eye.

Like he came back like two days later. He came back. We never sold a punk again. So I saw that. I'm sorry, heard that. I've seen guards beat up inmates and they fight back. It's just not a great, not a great fight with a guard. But yeah, I think that's pretty much it.

Well, I've seen a couple of guards fights like you have. Probably my favorite one was. was a guy, it was an old man about 65 or something, and the guard was saying, hey, like he came back and came back in from, we were coming back in from Chow, from eating. And the guards at the door said, hey, let me pat you down. And he's like, no, and he starts walking faster. Because like when you're coming up the walkway, you make a right to go into your unit. So he's coming up the walkway. And the guard, as he's turning to go in, the guard's like, hey, let me pat you down. So the guy, like, he has to hear him. He goes, hey, he comes. calls him by name and everything. He says, hey, Smith, let me check you.

And he kept walking. He started walking faster. So I'm like about four steps behind him. So I'm watching and hearing this, and then I see the guard going after him. So the guy's moving real fast to a cell. So he gets to a cell, and the guard goes in, and the next thing you see is the door explode open, and these two are like fighting, a 65-year-old man. So they're swinging like the 65-year-old man swinging, so he gets the 65-year-old man.

it sounded like that wow yeah as soon as this is over I'm gonna make it all he sounded he got the 65 year old man in the headlock right

somehow a 65 year old man gets out of the headlock and gets the guard in the headlock it's like they exchanged wrestling positions like the whole unit

is like awestruck as this is going on there's about 15 minutes of them fighting rolling up swinging headlock headlock

and the guard didn't hit the button You know, all of them so most people don't realize. Matter of fact, eventually, the guy got the old man in handcuffs. Like, after like 15 minutes, you're like, you're watching this like, it's going on for, it's like about a 20 minute fight. 20 minutes before the guard next door, because it's two guards, it's two units. So he goes in after the guy, it's 20 minutes before the guard next door comes in to help him. But he's got him in handcuffs. So what happens is all the guards have, they all have, um,

um a radio on the radio there's like a red button yes and they can hit the panic button they can if they hit the panic button they call the deuses yeah the deucey they hit the deuses so they hit the deuses all the guards come running on that they converge on that location you could always tell because i mean immediately they start screaming over the pa system you know uh lockdown lockdown you know so and then all the guards start running to that one person that one guard's location i I mean, listen, some of the guards are there in 20 seconds. 30 seconds, yeah, exactly. Ready for action.

Right. There was a female guard that used to run to all. When I was in the penitentiary, there was a white female lady. We think she was crazy. She would not only, if there was a fight, she'd run in and she'd tackle dudes. Like, if you and I are a fighter were standing up, she'd actually tackle me. Like, she had some kind of aggression where I guess she loved that type of physical play. And so she was on it

Like hey I get to get all this out All this aggression out Leave there like sex me sex me All right It's all right So yes I've seen many guards in action and fighting What's another one Okay another one

Matt I remember you said Your one time friend got caught up in Orlando And snitched on you Just curious if you ever had any adventures Back in the day in central Florida Like Orlando Semino County Volusia County blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Or any people that you're associated with that were from out there that had anything significant to your hustle back in the day. I probably shouldn't have circled that one. Yeah, I don't. That seems. I mean, I know that, I mean, obviously I've got, I've committed fraud in, like, like Hillsborough, Pinellis. Did you go to Polk County? What counties in Orlando? Because I was in Orange County.

Orange County. I was in Orlando. It's orange and it's one more. Done stuff in Jacksonville. And where's Tallahassee? Tallahassee is

Seminole. Is it similar? Marion County? Is that? No, is that? I don't know. Marion is Orlando. Jackson.

Tallahassee is a it's not Bay County. I think Bay is Fort Myers, Fort Walton Beach. Tallahassee is, I want to say Seminole, but I'm probably fine. It doesn't matter. And the point is that, you know, so I mean, yeah, I've got a bunch of different counties in Florida that I've done fraud and real estate fraud.

The bulk of that fraud was real estate fraud. I mean, but I'm not even sure what the rest of the question means. Like, have I, like, are there people in those counties that, no, there's nobody that was in the counties. Like, I went to the county because I was trying to, I was trying not to consolidate my, the bulk of my fraud. in just Hillsborough County. So obviously, I was traveling to different counties, hoping to kind of, and by the way, that's an enhancement, changing jurisdiction to evade detection.

Yes. Like, to me, that's just what you do. You know, but apparently that's an enhancement. You could get an extra few years for that, which I did. So, yeah, so that was, that's why, that's why initially my entire charge or my case started with the FDLE because there were so many different counties involved that they had to put together a task for,

to investigate. Once they had investigated the task force and they had all the information, they were like, okay, well, this is, he's borrowing money from banks all over the country in these different counties, in different, in different, you know, it's too complicated of a case for the local police to look into. So that's when they handed it over to the FBI. That was my first case. That's not true.

That was my second case. Sorry, but go ahead. All right. Are you able to disappear or erase your tracks right now? Is there someone that makes that service Breaking Bad style? I mean, in Breaking Bad, don't they have like some seedy underworld guy that can turn these guys into like ghosts? Like they can eliminate everything on the,

there's not really that I know of a person that can do that. There's, there are sites called, there's that site called Reputation.com. So reputation.com. they actually what they do is they don't eliminate things on the internet about you but they they'll post so many things with your name in it and your basic um you know basic uh information on you in it that they push any derogatory information down like 15 or 20 pages so so somebody's looking for you and they're looking for your charge right and there's multiple blogs and different

types of websites that you're mentioned on every time somebody's not going to go 15 pages there's 20 per page 15 pages they're not going to look for three through 300 different um you know different information um whatever you call things that came up to try and find your arrest so they're going to click on the first one it's like okay well this is some blog from five years or two years ago about this guy that they met and blah blah blah blah that's an interesting service then they go to the next one. It's called like, it's called like, um, Reputation.com, I think. Oh, wow. And they go to the next one. They go to the next one. And then, oh, this is a little, like, you can pay more and more like, oh, this is an article that mentions him in it. And, you know, stupid stuff, but they flood the whole

internet with that and they push all your bad stuff down. I know this because there's a, a bunch of fraudsters and con men in prison and all of them were like, I'm going to that. I'm going to, they're all trying to cover up everything. You know, they want to get rid of their charges and change their name and do this and do that. I'm going to go to Reputation.com and have them built. That way they will bury anything that came out on me that was in the newspaper. And, you know, so there's that service. The more you pay, the more stuff they can flood it with.

Oh, that's what. So they actually do the opposite of erasing. They just kind of flood the door, which is, which is very smart. Because you can't get, you can't get rid of it. Like, you can't go, like if there's something on my website and your name's on it, you can't get rid of that. There's just no way. Somebody has to hack into the website.

and get rid of this like you can't go into this server and that that's populated on numerous servers like so there's just no way so what they do instead is they just overwhelm them and they're like okay wow this 20 pages on this guy right and think about it like this too like for instance um i had a friend that i had signed that she signed up for um to become a Wikipedia uh god it's a Wikipedia a reporter because people think like Wikipedia is like 100% like legit like oh yeah it's all vetted and it's this and that and it's really not well it's an encyclopedia online see you're thinking the same thing you're thinking no no it is no it's not it's it's independent so they have a small staff of people that do a little bit of vetting but the bulk of Wikipedia is written by independent Wikipedia reporters and so what happens is you could sign up and say hey here's why I want to be a reporter with Wikipedia because I've done them and I used to write for my college newspaper and I this. And you can put a little bio together, which can be complete BS.

Right. And then you then go on several different Wikipedia pages and you can change it on Wikipedia. You can go in and say, hey, guess what? That guy did get 26 years, but he was recently released. Right. And then you put a link. And if they check it, they go, hey, that was good information.

We're adding what you wanted and we like that. Right. So if you can change, let's say you change five or ten different Wikipedia, pages and they see that you're credible, they'll now make you an official Wikipedia reporter and you can write Wikipedia pages. So you can start putting up Wikipedia pages. I could write a whole Wikipedia page about you. And so now I've written a whole thing and then they'll vet it. Well, where'd you get this? Oh, you got this from this newspaper article. Oh, you got this from this book about him. Oh, you got this. And they'll kind of look there and they'll

go, you know what? That is, this is a good one and they'll post it. So what I'm saying is a lot of that can be done. Wikipedia. They have Wikipedia and then they have Wikipedia people. Wikipedia. Right. So you can start, you could actually sign up and to imagine what you can do with that. Once you do that, other, there are other websites that will go in and take that information and create their own. Does that make sense? Yes. So more and more. So it comes up more and more and more on you. Like you can almost do it yourself. Right. You could also write a small article about yourself and gets and posted on multiple blogs like you can start forcing stuff down on you because this is more recent stuff and if you look at it a lot from different IP addresses it it populates higher

too so it pushes everything down I like that though that's a smart con that's really basically all the good questions what's there one about um there was one about so there was one question I know some guy had asked about like what crimes are there any crimes that you came up with in prison. I think that was the last one. Remember I told you I used to walk when I got a, no, that was the other podcast I did that on. No, that's not on this one. Well, there was, there was one guy. I remember I read one question where it's like, are there any crimes that, that you came up with while you were incarcerated? And I know, because I know I read that one and I was like, I was like, you know what, we should do, we can do a whole, I could do a whole podcast on this.

that because it'd be it'd be kind of like the tax the drop the tax scam right and just how because you had done the tax scam and we were going to talk about how it's kind of dried up and why it's dried up and then how it could how it's evolved and different versions of it that I saw while I was incarcerated right and then you know different ways that it's slowly evolving and anyway so that's like a whole podcast on its on its own and we're actually going to do a podcast on that and it may be after this podcast I don't know that's up to Colby but anyway it'll it'll be something about the tax scam or something about it'll be called something about tax scams or uh income tax scams or something i don't know it'll be titled something tax scams so we'll uh we'll look at

we'll check out that out next time and are we good okay so that's it all right uh so this is my name's matt cox and that's zach and we just did the podcast and so if you like the podcast hit the subscribe button hit the bell share the video can you guys see you'll be doing this soon share the video send it to a bunch of your friends buy a book buy a t-shirt you know what's going on man

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