Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Greatest Scams of All Time | Fraudster's Favorite Scams

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

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Scam, like for the definition of this podcast, is kind of an idea to gain money. The problem is that's how you and I look at it as a free 30 grand. To them, they're like, it's a credit line. You're like, no, no, no. That's not the way this works. I promise you, it's free. And gave us the possibility of getting a $7 million check from Kellogg's. I remember telling I'm like, we're done.

Seven million bucks? It's over. It was never going to be over. I used to always say, if I just got a few million dollars, if I got a few million dollars, I would have said, that was easy.

You said, like you did. Come on, put this up. The problem with most people is, you read this scam, and you're like, that's a good scam.

Like, what went wrong? Like, he did it in his own name. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? Go behind the cash register with the guy. and, like, go into and steal, like, all kinds. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with my buddy Zach.

Yo, what's up? Check out my channel. And we're going to, yeah, Zach's got a channel. Black Zach. No. I don't know what to say about that. But it's all that needs to be said. And, yeah, so check out that channel.

And also, the link will be in the description. So we're going to be going over This is real I didn't think this through Scams we admire like I'm trying to be like a clean cut guy Well it doesn't mean you can't admire something no It's like you you have a beautiful wife that's true right But then you might admire another woman You might say hey Cindy Crawford is attractive

You know might see another so you you can You know Rehabilitate and say That's clever Jess has killed just about every animal there is in Florida She's butchered there hands she can cut them open cut all take out the gut skin them and put like all the good stuff in a freezer and then you know eat it she's already told me they'll never find your body she's like

I mean I get it like there are girls that cute they flirt with you they send you messages and I get it and that's great she's but I'm just letting you know they'll never find your body and I like I didn't even have to follow up on that I don't know what does that mean what do you it's just like this new is ominous just like got it no problem Listen, she's got me so scared. Like when women, you will text me, you know, they'll text you, you know, they'll hit you up on Instagram or whatever, you know, hey, how's it going? Or, wow, you're amazing.

And I'll, listen, within the first sentence or two, it's like, yeah, my wife thinks so, just in case it's a plant, you know, case she's trying to like go right, like, hey, I need you to send something to Matt. Yeah. You know, I'm like, yeah, you're not suckering up. Oh, so you're a one step. ahead of. Oh, yeah. That's that, that's that mentality, like, for you people that with cons and schemes, the mentality of looking at it from the reverse angle. That's what I, that's what

I always call it, too. That'll keep you alive. Yes, yes. Or out of you. You spin it around and you say, you know what, let me try to see it from the other perspective coming back towards me. Yeah, now. I'm not falling for it. Yeah. Good times. Yeah. So what, so what is the scam What is a scam? Because there's no one scam. No. But is there a scam? Or what scams?

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A scam, like for the definition of this podcast, is kind of an idea to gain money. Like I might have an idea like, hey, I might have come across a checkbook and go, you know what, I got an idea? I'm going to write a check off of this guy's account, who we don't know, to you, you're going to deposit in your account,

and we're going to split it. Right. And you might go, hey, I'm down with that. You know what I'm saying? That is what I could do. I don't know who would be. You'd be shocked. Look at you.

You'd be shocked. You would be shocked. I know a guy. Yeah. You would absolutely be shocked. It's unbelievable. But that is a scam. Or even I consider a scam is like the

what I was privy to was the shoplifters like I knew I knew four ladies that did shoplifting right and like I was lucky enough to sit in on one of their meetings you know because they have

one person that draws in the security so the other three are actually going to steal and get away and the other one's going to draw security and draw security like act like she's not steal anything be absolutely sloppy obvious so that security kind of hangs out and kind of watches her right and really focus on share a bit and and and what they do is they they come in all separate and then they all

watch her to see as she oh yeah she's being watched let's go you know that is a scam you know because they're working choreograph yes core yes well something that's pre-planned but i really i want to use the legal term premeditated that's that's when you know you've turned turn to corner yes that's right we start using that's right we start using in the legal term? Yes. The law enforcement terms. So premedit.

So if I told you, hey, I'm going to write you a check, this is premeditated. Whereas I could have just wrote you a check and said, hey, I'm going to give you a hundred bucks. I need you to cash. I could lie. Right. But to put everyone in on it is the scam. You know, me, like, we're all working together to obtain money. That is what we call a scam.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's what we're, because what happened was. Scheme. Scheme? scheme really isn't illegal by the way the term scheme yes that's that's what I was thinking scheme is is is is to me illegal right scheme seems singular like if you use the word scheme it seems like it would only be one person really yeah a scheme seems like so then in my mind

a scheme would have a a mastermind you know which means like that one One person is the ultimate benefactor and all, you know, I spent a lot of time in jail thinking about the differences. So, does it reflect? I think, whatever, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're synonyms. Anyway, whatever, roughly. So yeah, so yeah, like one person benefiting.

So you got the little benefactors. I would say. So, so that. A scam is a group effort. Like, hey, I got an idea. Okay. So what, what, what, what happened? I disagree.

But what happened? and what what I don't understand so you that's the scam you admire the one where they're shoplifting or just you admire the fact that they drew law enforcement away yes yeah because of the brilliance of it like you like you would say that only because it I'm given the simplicity of it right but to watch that in action because it works so the the the one person that's the draw, the person that draws their attention, actually gets stopped at the register. Right.

And what's so funny is that they're not in any jeopardy at all. No. And the other people leave with pre, like they have orders of stuff going in. It's unbelievable. They have orders of stuff going in. And the one girl stopped at the register. Oh, and she gives them a sob story and cries. And then 20 minutes, you know, they're texting on the phone.

And it's like they're going to let me go. And then they end up letting them go with, hey, don't ever come back in this door. Right. But the whole time, it's like, okay, we got. got like $6,000 worth of stuff. You're saying she really does steal stuff and they get caught or she she gets stopped at the register. She makes

it look like. I was going to say like to me to me like in front of them you could like with the camera I would kind of show myself like putting stuff in a bag and then move to a spot and then take the stuff out of the bag. Oh. Do you what I'm saying? Like to me you get up to the cash register and then they'd come and they'd grab you

like oh no open empty your bag and you'd empty the bag and you'd be like what? They'd be like holy Jesus like I saw I could see that would be right and then they'd have to let you go it's like what do you talk oh yeah yeah no I did put a skirt I did put the skirt in there and then I realized oh wait a second this looks bad I got I need to I took it out and then I thought well I don't even want this so I just left it on the counter it's over there you know so but I was going to say what that reminds me of is the you know the Romanian wall it was called the Romanian wall where they had there was people from Romania or the gypsy wall they called it too so People would go into like, and they had video of 7-Elevens and stuff, where people would, there would be like six or eight people would come in in a group. And one, and so the person at the counter, let's say 7-Eleven, would look and see this group coming in and they create almost like a wall.

They're just kind of bundled together. And somebody else would walk in, crouch down and walk in behind them. So the camera, you know, sees them, but the other camera sees the person, but this is just, this guy's watching the camera he's watching these people right so they come in and then they kind of move through the store they have kind of a direction where they're kind of walking and moving and the one guy somebody says hey something to the to the cashier and he looks over here and the person who's bent down who he doesn't even know in the store kind of like moves towards the cash register he's right there and so as these guys are talking he's moving around the cash register and literally they had

have videos of this of these guys where the guy will be he'll go behind the cash register with the guy and like go into and steal like all kinds of stuff that's back there that's hidden while these guys are loud and they're playing music and they're talking and banging stuff and doing this and he's kind of just watching and watching steal stuff go back then they pull the wall back together and the guy walks out with them and all they've bought is like a stick of gum and he walks out with you know whatever hundreds of dollars of cartons of cigarettes or there have been times where they've gone into the safe there's been times where they said like they took it a gun They got a gun. How? That even. But then later they'd look at the camera and they'd be like, oh my God. And if you watch it, you're like, this is insane. Watching that in play, the know that that's choreographed.

Because like you have to wonder, do they practice that? They have to practice, right? Like, if you watch the videos on YouTube and stuff, you're just going, this is nuts. You're almost like, how could he not? And you're like, okay, I get it. But from his perspective, he's not. He's not seeing it. He's only seeing these groups of people. And then once the guy gets under the counter, he's done. He would have to turn around and start looking at the videos that are shooting from the other way. And who's doing that? He's trying to see if these guys are stealing. And they are. They're not. They're stealing. They're paying for. Yeah. Unbelievable. That reminds me. That's, so that's what I'm saying. It's the same kind of thing. Right. You're just drawing their attention. To a way. And that's a, that's a scam. Yeah. Do you remember?

I shouldn't even say this. Do you remember when we were talking about... I'm thinking Barrington, but go ahead. No, no. I'm thinking when we were locked up and we were talk about the identity theft scheme where it was like, what if someone stole somebody's identity? Like, I steal your identity.

identity, which given that you're a man of color would be difficult. But let's assume I steal your identity, I get a driver's license in your name, I run up all your credit cards, I then borrow money against your house, the whole thing, but I happen to have life lock. Do you remember this? This was what we used to joke about. And it was, and then when suddenly you start getting the credit cards, the whole thing, thing. Like, I would do that because I'm not worried about him. You know, the biggest worst problem would be that the person you're stole their identity finds out and calls a police, but I know he's not going to call. What's going to happen is once the first credit cards start showing up,

you then call the police. Hey, look, I got an issue, man. I got like a $40,000 credit card bill. Someone took my credit card. You call your, you call your credit card company, you do this, and then more bills start showing up. You start going, oh, whoa, well, I need somebody to come out of I got like $100,000 in credit card debt. Somebody stole my credit cards. No, I don't know. I have them on me. I don't, or maybe I lost my wallet, but I didn't give anybody my pen numbers.

Like, this is ridiculous. And so you do all that. You run it all up. Then you find out maybe there's a mortgage on their house or somebody took out a $50,000 personal loan in your name. You're like, oh my God. So we were talking about like, you run it up to a couple, $300,000. Like it's insane.

You're calling the police. But the interesting thing about that was that what we were saying, well, what you were saying really was you were like but I know what's going on because I can call the police and say well do you have any leads well what's happening right well what happened with and the police would be like look we're doing it we found this we found this there was a P.O. box that was opened well who opened the P.O. box well we can't find the person that opened the P. So you're going through the whole thing or it was an abandoned house it's actually in your neighborhood what you know but you would know because at some point they would be they would say look you know we're we're just

out of option. We don't know what to do. And you're also involved because the credit card people are contacting you. Right. So at some point, even if there was a prosecution, the worst that could happen is you were saying you would, you could say, look, I'm not going to participate in that prosecution. I got my money back. The credit card companies paid the money back. And we got the thing with the mortgage taken care of. And I don't want any trouble with who. I don't know who you arrested, but I don't want any trouble with that person and then being the person if they did end up getting arrested

I could then say man I'm going to trial and they don't have the victim they'd be like Jesus knowing when the prosecutor comes in and says oh listen this guy's going to show up he's going to testify he'd be like is he

I can't wait to see him we had this whole thing laid out and oh the other one was the identity theft the life lock was that you could also claim against life lock to say you could sue for allowing all that to happen right because but when we were locked up you and i thought and i i know differently now but we thought remember they say up to a million dollars it was a million dollars in legal fees that they

would pay to fix it we were thinking that that was like insurance that they would right like they would pay off your credit cards or they would but they won't it's just it's just um they would just call and file the claims for you which would still be good because you could still say they could do all that for you you have to do nothing

is that what they is that all life lock does is just file the claims life lock and um home title lock they will hire an attorney that will file all the paperwork to reinstate your credit cards get the balances dropped to I mean, now, home title lock only does it for mortgages.

Right. Life lock only does it for identity theft. Okay. So if you had both of them. Which you probably have to have. Yeah. But you could really insure yourself completely against the whole thing. Yep.

But when we were locked up, we were thinking they would pay you. But they won't pay you. No. No. And the thing is too, it's like it's a service. It's not insurance because they just don't insure. you right so but they will pay for the the fees which honestly is the biggest hurdle if something happens like right you're trying to like you got like a 40 50 hour a week job and you're driving

back and forth like when do you have time to write all those letters and try and fix all this you know if you're a real victim if you're really our victim like that's the problem like you got to write letters you got to send emails you have to make phone calls like man I'm working till five or six o'clock I don't even get home till 630 right then my kids are screaming I got to dinner i got you know like when do you call anybody you got to start taking days off work to try and fix it yeah yeah no so count me out so a couple of the schemes that i admired you know i think we talked about one of them which was the um what had to do with the kellogs yeah yeah you know and i admired you know what's so funny about that scheme is that came to me at a phone call my wife and i are

sitting at the house and I don't know what we were watching but somebody called and go hey they call up and they go they go hey they got you on television I go what channel NBC I go me they go no they got the kind of crap that you do so then I turn it over to NBC and it was it was a I think it was American greed but what was happening it was showing a guy that was cashing like $100,000 checks how's that even possible that's what I was I'm like oh my God so what was happening was there was a oil rig somebody worked for an oil company in Houston and this woman was seeing the checks come in to pay the oil company and what the guy had done was he opened up a similar company with the oil with with the name of the company like he went

to another state and opened up a company that had a similar name as the company that was receiving the checks. So if we were paying an oil company, if we were Matt and Zach's gas station, we might write an oil company a check for like $300,000 for a shipment of oil. Well, the woman that worked in the office was giving that to her friend and he was depositing it into an account he started that had a very similar name as the oil company. This is what they're putting out on American greed. So like my wife and I were sitting there watching this, right? And we looked at each other, like, why didn't we think of doing it? Because here's what's funny.

Here's what we were doing at the time. I'm sorry, that's so wrong. It is. It's a horrible, horrible crime. Honey, can you believe that? No, it was one of those moments where we're sitting. The reason why that happened is because what we were doing at the time is we were making checks. So we would go to mailboxes,

business mailboxes, and steal the mail at night. We just look for checks. And what we do is we'd find a check and then I would make a check payable to someone off of that. I was just looking for a fresh account. So we were finding all these business checks. In fact, one time, remember we found a $100,000 check. Right.

I'm like, geez, man, I wish we could cash that somehow. You know, and that's what was happening. We see all these checks and we just make a duplicate check for like $4,000 or $5,000 in deposit. it in an account with somebody and just get the money out and run. That was our whole deal. So when we're watching television and they go,

hey, he was actually cashing the checks that he was getting for their full amount. You just looked at each other like, can you imagine if we had known this with the $100,000 check? Like, chase! I was going to say, what's funny is people don't realize, like, you can open a corporation

and then you can open up a DBA or a corporation, a corporation similar. You could say, like, let's say there's, you know, this drink, what? Ghost energy drink. Then you could open up a corporation that says, you know, that's ghost, you know, that's Ghost distributor. Yeah, ghost distributor, ghost productions, ghost energy, ghost energy, you know, drink two. Yes.

You know, whatever. Like, it's like, you know, of Tampa Bay, you know, of Florida or whatever. You just adds anything on to it that changes it subtly. And then the next thing you know, you know, you can go open up a. bank account in that name and deposit checks, you know, with that name or any, any variation of that name because the banks just don't check. They, you know, who it's going to, the address. They don't even match the state. They just look at the name and process. Yeah, I used to have a company, you know, consortium financial

services. They would write consortium mortgage. This is people paying me. Yes. They'd send me, oh, consortium mortgage, consortium bank, consortium whatever, you know, home loans. It's like, it's consortium financial services. Sometimes it would just be consortium. You just deposit them, deposit them. The bank never said, oh, wait a second. This is an issue. Yeah.

And so it was, so we obviously we did that, picked up checks. We probably did over $100,000 in checks when somebody called us and said they had a friend that worked in Kellogg's. That was a story that I shared. And that's how that whole scheme developed. Yeah, we did that whole, we did a whole, that video got a lot of views. That's the Calog video The Kellogg, yes So when we called the girl

You can imagine like we were dancing Because when we called the girl I asked her She goes oh well I work up in the office And I see the checks I said okay well How much is a check? She goes probably the smallest check is

Probably like two and a half million What? It's like I go it's over We're done Our fraud and days are over Seven million dollar Kellogg's game yeah selling no stealing seven million from Kellogg's yes that just

sounds um yeah yeah that got like 70,000 views wow it's not bad for my channel and that was like a year ago that was a year ago it must have been just just before yes right the incident yes the horrible incident so yeah that that's what led to that discovery because we had we started of all the crap we were doing, we added that to our reputore and just started making money. And that's when the girl from Kellogg's came into our life and gave us the possibility of getting a $7 million check from Kellogg's. I remember telling, I'm like, we're done. Seven million bucks? It's over. We give the girl a million. Yeah. You know. Yeah. You're not doing it. You know what's so funny is my mindset back then? Like, it was never going to be over. I used to always say like, man, if I just got a few

million dollars if I got a few million dollars I would have said that was easy you think it didn't know well well yeah you're right you know it was it was it was it was the whole just like that stupid thing I was just making it's that quote it's the there's nothing there's just no feeling in the world like walking in a bank handing them a fake ID and some fake documents and then having them hand you a check for 250,000 and thank you for ripping them off. Like, I mean, that's just insane. Yes.

And that feeling you're like, like, this is insane, right? I'm going to walk in there. And then, or even thank you and telling you what a great customer you've been. I borrowed like a couple hundred thousand dollars one time. And I was hate, I would say this because I had a guy who like read my book who came back and was like, you said you borrowed a couple hundred thousand dollars. And the book it says you borrowed $120,000. It was just like,

man, whatever. I don't remember what it was. Okay. $150,000, $200,000, whatever it was. I had borrowed it in the name of this, a fake person.

It was a real person. It was a homeless guy. So I borrowed that money and then, and he had perfect credit. Right. So got to check for, whatever, let's say $150,000. Went and deposited it in my bank.

And immediately, as soon as I did it, the person goes, okay, thank you. And they went, oh, you've been approved for a $30,000 credit card. And I went, You mean pre-approved?

She says, no, you've been approved. Of course I've been approved. I just deposited a check for $150,000 in cash. I mean, $150,000 into my account. And I do have perfect credit. You know, that guy had perfect credit. And she said, all you have to do is tell me you want the card and we'll have it overnight it to you.

And I went, yes, I do. A free $30,000 for ripping you off? Absolutely. Hand that over. See, the problem is that's how you and I look at it as a free $30,000. to them they're like it's a credit line you're like no no no that's not the way this works i promise you it's free there's no payments getting made no i promise you it's free yeah but i won't be once they catch up with me so right now though i'm walking up out of this mug i got a sports car

i got a hot girlfriend yes amen amen yes going on some vacations yeah right up till they put them cuffs on That's right. Then it's unfree. But I'm going to Australia. Listen, if I was a cop, you know how much fun I would have? I'd be like with with a cop of guys that are like, you know, with what they're saying, you know, like, no, no, I, I, but I, I can't, you can't arrest me. I, I'm like, stop it, bro. We got you on video.

Two of your co-definits rolled on you. Oh, you know damn well. you'd play along you're like oh oh you were going to australia hold on let me get the keys to the cuffs yeah there's no way you'd be like come on bro we got you on film it's kind of like my arrest with the oh what is your name um albert henley albert henley you have ID of course I have ID here you go yeah all right anyway then there goes another charge now we got aggravated identity he just looked at it like you're good yeah wow Wow.

Here you go. Come on, let's go. Go on, Albert. Okay, Albert, let's go. You're going to jail. We're not going to arrest Isaac anymore. We're arrested Albert, guys. That's right.

Oh, my God. Good times. Getting arrested is not good times. Maybe so. Good out of it. It's fun looking back on it. At the time, it's not fun. Oh, no.

There's like everything spins in your head. That and the time when you get your time in court, it's like immediately, I just got a job at McDonald's. Immediately. I just, I shouldn't have done none of that stuff. Yeah, immediately regret every single thing and then, you know,

but then you get out and six months go by and you're like, listen, I just heard. Yeah, but you haven't said you money in jail for the past two years. Yeah, but doesn't mean I'm not, I've perfected it.

I've thought it over. I've got it perfected. I'm going to do it right this time. Yeah, insanity. Insanity. Insanity thought. All right. So another hustle that I liked,

if we get back on topic, I hope you don't mind. All right, another one I like was a guy that was selling clean air credits. Oh yeah. You know me telling me about that? Yeah. So apparently there is passed by George Bush

clean air credits for all the companies, that spit pollution into the atmosphere, what they do is they make them invest in companies that actually take pollution out of the atmosphere. It's just the right thing to do. Yeah. And so they created a, I didn't even know this existed until I watched.

Apparently it doesn't exist. Oh, it still does. No, I'm saying based on what your guy was doing. Oh, yeah. That's what they're probably all doing. You're taking all that carbon and all this stuff. out of the air, come on, stop it, bro. Like, no, no, we're planting trees.

The planting, planting tree. And for, for poop, people who process or help disintegrate manure and stuff like that into fertilizer, that actually cleans the air, believe it or not. But I'm going to tell you, like the clean the ocean. What's the name of that company that sends out those bags for, we take gunk out of the ocean? Have you seen that, those commercials for them? No. I don't watch a lot of TV, though.

Oh, there's a company, there's a one big company out there that cleans the ocean, that they claim to clean, cleans the ocean. And they go, oh, we're sponsored by so many, you know, people helping us out, helping us clean. We take donations that most of their money, I heard this on NPR, a majority of their money comes from the clean air credits. All companies that pollute the ocean pay them big time for going out there and taking gunk out of the ocean. So with those, so those things are still around. What it was I didn't know is that there was a marketplace for the balance. So if corporations that dirty up the air obviously have much, much more money, right, than corporations that actually clean the air. So the corporations that clean the air actually sell clean air credits to those companies.

And they have a certain amount that they need to have. They actually fight and bid. It's a bidding war. It's like eBay for the clean air. Because sometimes it goes up depending on the demand. So obviously the schemer I don't know why I just pictured I just pictured Christi's

I just pictured a bunch of corporate fat cats on a stage You should have seen the episode bro Behind the the auctioneer at Christie's And in the crowd it's nothing but hippies And they're all like, you badsters, 300,000, I'll go 300, I'll go 280, I'll go 260, you know, and they're, you shut up, Jennifer. They've got their combing their hair and they're wearing flower and it. Yeah, you know, making beautiful baby.

There's a band, you know, the monkeys are playing the background that, you know, you're the monkeys. Yes, I love the monkeys. But anyway, yes. this this schemer obviously got approved by the EPA but what he did was he rented a place rented the equipment I can't remember how he fraudulently told him he was cleaning the air they came over the EPA gave him the seal of approval

okay once he got that approval he went on the cleaning everything down yeah well he leased the machine listen when they came and checked him out he he went Because they would announce we're coming in two weeks. Oh, you are? Yeah, I need to at least another couple of machines. Stick him in the warehouse. Put him in the around back.

Get him in some hippies out here and some tree huggers to look like we're doing, like we're do-gooders. American greed was cursing them up and down. Round up 50 do-goaters. Stick them in there. We're picking up trash on the side of the road, you bastards. Exactly. American greed was criticizing the EPA for approving him three times he was

checked out all three times he passed like yeah he's doing it selling clean air credits i told you what caught him was he had this pension for expensive cars he bought like three million dollars worth of expensive he had like a Lamborghini uh not a jaguar but uh um what's the other cat car um cat car i want to see it's another car that's like a hundred thousand not a Lamborghini but it's another a $100,000 car. I can't know what. Lamborghinis are like three, 400,000. Oh, yeah.

Ferrari, what, what? May a Ferrari, but he, he, he, Margarotti. Maserati, that was the other one. That was the other one. He had, he had about over like four million dollars, three million dollars with the cars parked out by his house. Which, it would be like someone pull in and you have three million dollars in cars.

Like, he was in a regular neighborhood like yours. And then you just come up and you go like, dude, What the hell is with all these expensive cars? Hey, I'm just living like that. Yeah, I'm just, um, so they call the police. That's how he got caught. I'm just doing the right thing.

Yeah. That's how he got caught. That's how he got caught. The police come and he's got all the paperwork for the cars. And they're kind of like, okay. And they hands it over to, I guess, a, a detective or a fraud investigator who kind of runs the guy. And he checks him out. Like the EPA calls and makes an appointment.

Right. He checked them out without an appointment. Like, I don't know how you're selling all those clean air credit sitting in this empty warehouse. But I'm going to tell somebody. So, okay. So he told the EPA and? Well, yeah. I think they, yeah.

And then they brought him up on, he only, like, when it all came and down to it, I think he got like three years in prison. But he stole like about $8 million, $8 or $9 million. I'll do three years for $8 million. That's what we ought to have a bit. They didn't even know, they didn't even understand the charge. It was crazy. It was like a unique, they had to charge him uniquely because there was really no crime of what he was doing. Like false statement type of charge, like the 1001, like the beginning of all the charge is making a false, giving false information.

That was a charge. And that only carries three years. So I guess they, he got nothing. But go ahead. I'm sorry. No, I was thinking, I was just thinking, I was thinking, I was thinking during the Civil War, you know, they were conscripting people, right? So either you had to show up or one of your, you ever, your family, right?

Or you could say, hey, I can't do it. I want to, you know, fellas, I want to. I'm with you. I want to be with, can't be with you. I got to do the farm. I got to do the whole thing. but I've got my slave John, he can go for me. And they would say, okay, well, put your mark here, John and John would put his mark.

And he'd be in the army. I thought, what if you were super rich and you're going to jail and you were able to say, listen, I know I got four years, I know I got three years. I can't go, but Matt will do my time for me. And then I have to compensate Matt to do my time. like bro you know I would I'm ready to sign up like I'll do what kind of first in the custody level like oh no you're going you're going to a pin oh Matt how much for the pen listen pens 150,000 a year 200,000 a year I'll do for you I'll do four years do four years for you but you got a you know but it's going to be a million dollars up front in my lawyers you know could you imagine if you could negotiate that and in a way you're I think I know what you're going to say you know in a way you're people do you can i'll tell you an incident that i know about but go ahead oh i was saying i was going to say i sat in county jail one time wondering if it was possible to get someone else to do my

sentence like i i like you were describing about the you being me yeah like like i told myself how much would it disturb the system if i've allowed someone to become me and they just go turn hey i'm isaac allen well no no i don't i mean like like like if there was actually a system. Oh, you mean like a legal system? Legal capitalized. Legal capitalized, look, you've got to do this much time. You have to give us this much time. I say, listen, I'm not going to. But I've paid this service and they're going to provide someone that will do that time for me. And they go, okay, do you have the paperwork? Do you have an SS12 form? Yes. Do you have a 722 form? Yes. Did he sign? Do I need your driver's license? Oh, I got my driver's license. Like, okay, boom. And he goes in for you.

Like, makes me think of Palmer. He'd be. Right. There are people that will do that. but they would do that and here's here's an example of that a real world example we used to call this guy the um uh they used to call they were calling him the uh mexican tony soprano there was a cartel member in atlanta that had gotten like 15 or 20 years right like he's got like seven lawyers and this was in Atlanta in uh Atlanta city detention center right ACDC where you could you would meet with your lawyer in in the unit they would walk in into a room and it was like a glass room like there was a glass wall and

well you know glass you know it's the metal piping with the thing you'd walk in there with your lawyer or whoever and they'd close the door

and you'd sit there and have a conversation he crews like five six lawyers showed up every time to see this guy he had tons of money

his celly just to let you I'm just saying this is the kind of guy he was you know His sally was a black guy that was complaining because his baby's mama's car had broke down. And it just blew, like the engine blew. Right.

And he went, he was, yeah, he said, give me your address. I'll get her another car. Somebody drop a car off. And he was, no, man, you don't understand. He's like, no, I understand. She needs a car. He's like, are you serious? He said, yeah, man, yeah.

This is a guy that every time commissary came, like his bag was full and three other guys' bags were full that he was buying. But like that. Right. So, meaning he's putting money on other people's commissary accounts to buy him stuff. And they get 20%. Right. So he,

what he did was, oh, by the way, that guy, like when that whole thing happened, I remember like three days later, he got a phone with his girlfriend and said, you're not going to believe this.

We were sitting there, I remember we were playing chess or something. Oh, this is true story. Oh, it's true. The black guy came up and he was looking for his seven. Right. His cellie was, I forget he had been moved from medical. He was coming back. He was like, bro. Remember he said he was going to get a car? He said, Mike, I got a phone two hours ago. Some guy showed up with like a, it wasn't a brand new car. It was like a five year old like, you know, Accura. He's like, I mean, things got like 30,000 miles on it. He was like, he just gave it. He signed over the title and everything. We were like, damn. Like Tony did that. He was like, yeah. You know, he had a name that was, you know, definitely scream mafia. Yeah, no, I mean, they called him Tony. He was the Tony Soprano of, but no, he had a Mexican, a Spanish name that was difficult.

You know, it wasn't something like Jesus. It was, it was a hard one. So, and anyway, so what happened was, I remember, too, watching my Dateline episode with him. We were all sitting there watching the Dateline episode on me. And I was sitting there just shaking my hand. I kept looking over at him. He said, you're a bad boy. You, you know.

That's what you're saying. You a bad boy. So here's what he had done. He had paid a peasant, right, in Mexico to come over through the border and told law enforcement who was there and how much, and that he was coming and he had this much dope or whatever in the car, gave him the type of car, the tag, everything. They saw him, they grabbed him. Boom, 5K1. Then he said, so the second, that was one. he was doing so now he doesn't he now he's already down to like 15 years or something he was supposed to

get like 25 he's down to 15 he had already arranged it and he'd been in the jail doing this he had arranged to have a guy fly over and land at an airport like a meg shift air you know makeshift airport in texas and the DEA was going to grab him and he was going to have X amount of pounds of pot and that guy was going to and I was like how much time is it he's like oh no the one guy he gets five he got five years we make sure he you know my lawyer in mexico make sure that he has the just enough to only get five years and i take care of his family the next guy was going to do 10 like guys are lining up to come to do his time for him so he could get his sentence reduced wow yeah i i was just like you know that was listen Atlanta was right but i mean that's the kind of money he had

there was a guy in Coleman that got this is a guy who we're talking about he's like one step maybe maybe one step below um el chapo when he was running things right is actually the person who's running the cello and el chapo right everybody always says al chapo or chalfo of el mio's low profile he's really the guy that started the whole thing and brought in el chavo the point is is that like one guy there's one guy beneath him and the guy beneath him that was the guy guy I was locked up in Coleman with this is an AC this is another another guy that guy had remember the old photo books you could buy yeah yeah you couldn't sell I don't know about where you were but in Coleman you they stopped selling the big ones yeah too big I know what you're talking about but he had the little one or the big no the big it was a big one I know you could only buy the little ones when I was there but there were guys that still had the the big ones huge ones right yeah exactly like they were like three pictures across and three pictures down back when there were these things called photos

that you could actually print out and they were actually photos. And he had books full of them. He'd done like three or four years and he still had a few more years to go. And this is the kind of guy that got caught on a conspiracy and got like a life sentence. But had worked it all the way down

by giving up low level guys that knew what that was going to happen. Like he sets them up, like they're being set up on purpose and they're saying, okay, so you're going to load 300 pounds in the trunk and I'm going to drive through here. and they're going to arrest me? Yes.

And then it'll take a couple months for you to get sentenced, six months for you to get sentenced, and then you'll get five years, and then we've already got sure a lawyer that'll show up, make sure you're going to get five years. You only got the maximum amount to get five. You can't get more than five years. And you don't have any priors.

No priors. You're going, so anyway, this guy had done the same type of thing, and he was going to a, he was at a low already, and he was going to a camp. He had photos of him in Mexico where he had to do, like so many years ago he had done like two or three years in Mexico it was insane the photos he had they were allowing him 10 days a month you can have your family come and stay with you

in the jail prison they had a special spot America yeah it was it was insane plus you understand that so many days a month you could have other people come at like he literally had prostitutes prostitutes come in and they're staying the night like they're walking him to the cell stay in the night he's drinking he's drinking cores and and he's got America has the if you talk to anyone that's

been abroad America has the most harshest penal system ever of all of the world um yeah it would be Russia Russia might be no no because I met I met somebody in jail in Russia

well I bet some guys that trust me there's there's not in the world but there's three or four there's probably let's say there's five up five or six other countries that are really rough but rough meaning so the conditions are the Mexico conditions are horrible right it's like a city I understand they're horrible but in some ways they're horrible but if you have money yeah the freedom is but in some so in some ways it's like what are you talking about you're letting people bring them food and yeah they're allowed to bring so much food they're allowed to bring so much they're allowed to come see them and stay in the cell with them for three days straight they're allowed it's like that's insane

and then of course but if you're poor and you go to mexico it's horrendous and you're you're sleeping in the hallways you're so it depends on what i guess what what type of a criminal you are and what your what your ability um you know to produce you know or have money is um so but i was going to say when we back the scam sorry well i was i only had two i didn't know if you oh listen The scams that I admire are like, you know, I do, this is where if you remove the victims, you know, I do admire like Ponzi schemes, guys who do Ponzi schemes, which is really, it's just, they're just blatant liars, you know, but if you were to set up a Ponzi scheme, here's what bothers me about Ponzi schemes, is, that most Ponzi schemes, and I don't mean most, I mean like 99% of them, right, weren't set up as a scam. Like they were set up as a legitimate business that very quickly goes bad. Sometimes they go do great for six years, 10 years. Sometimes guys set them up and a year and a half later, they're like,

wow, man, like I'm not good at this. And, you know, where they set it up as a legitimate, let's say, I'm going to, you know, of course the investors always get in trouble. Like it's a hedge fund. They make a couple of that they have a bad quarter then they lie about it they'll make it up next quarter then they have another bad quarter right they lie about it they have another bad quarter they lie about it then maybe they have a good quarter but it's nowhere near good enough to recoup the losses they've had then they have another bad quarter and they're just continuing to tell everybody they're doing well and they just keep borrowing and borrowing and before you know it's like so you know how off are you Well, you know, I've lost $5 million.

You know, I'm supposed to have $50 million in, you know, the coffers. And, you know, and I don't. You know, I'm paying out this much money because I've lost this much money, but I told people that I made $11 million. So, wow. So you're off by $15 million. Yeah. You know, and then it just keeps, it spirals out of control.

And then they just try and maintain it as long as possible. so you know if you remove the fact that the people that they're typically taking the money from are just regular people you know the ability to do that and set it up and maintain it for a long period of time is is amazing to me you know that's that to me is is well what scheme are you thinking about because you know like made off comes to mind made off does what bothers me about made off is you know like he didn't it in his name like he was just he's just an idiot like well he didn't like you said he didn't start off right take money you know um like give an example um the like a couple of the ponzi schemes were the guys the i can show you how to do mortgages you know like you know i'm talking about all those people that go take buy my system oh yeah how to um buy houses i'll help you buy houses or I'll put the down, but you find the house.

Grant Cardone's type of. Yes, him. Yeah. You know, those type of Ponzi schemes. Now those were Ponzi schemes because... Well, Grant Cardone's not a Ponzi scheme. Like, when you're, I thought you were talking about two different things. Like, he's not running a Ponzi. Well, he may be. I don't know. Well, well, there's one that was a Ponzi scheme.

I've seen those people get arrested, all of them. Like, and I never really understood what they did wrong, but they said it was a Ponzi scheme. And I get... You know, a lot of times they typical, here's the thing I've noticed, too, like I've talked to a lot of guys, this guy, Red Bull, they said he ran a Ponzi scheme. It was a business opportunity scheme. But they're actually, they would, like, it's like people know what a Ponzi scheme is. So a lot of times the newspapers simplify it. Does it make sense? Yes. So, yeah, I, I hear what you're saying. You know, really, there's so many schemes that I'm just, I'm not impressed by as much as I'm just disappointed by. It's like you had something. that was legitimate and you ruined it because you didn't do this one thing, you know, or, um, I, I, I always thought that it really, this was like a legit. Like I said it was a legit.

He, I don't know. The guy was like, like he basically was giving people a credit card. So it was like, hey, you give me $59, right? And I'll give you a credit card worth $300. And I'll report to the credit bureau. So it's a way to help clean up your credit. And then he gives you a catalog that you can buy from. Well, everything in the catalog is jacked up. You know, it's all like,

this is stuff he's getting from China for $15, $15, $200. So everything you can buy is really just, it's horrible. Like you buy one thing and he's not out of any money because he took in $50. It cost him $15. Even if you never make a payment,

then it doesn't matter. out of any money at all. And if you do make the payment, well, that's great because eventually he gets the $200 back. The point is, is that was a guy, there was a guy in Coleman who had done that. And it was kind of like a business opportunity thing that he had just kind of set up. Right. The problem was, he said, you know, I set it up. We started running with it. Started doing well, started hiring people. People are calling. We're calling. We're getting people in. We're doing, we're doing great numbers. He said, but then I turned around and he went to, like Equifax and said how much for me to record these every month and it was too much.

Right. They wanted, I don't remember the number. Let's say they wanted like, oh, it's like $20 a person. He was like, that's insane. And then they said, well, you don't have enough. If you have this many people, like you have a thousand people, then we drop it from $20 down to this much. $20 per month. Then they were like, if you do this many, if you have over 10,000 people, then we're,

we drop it down to it's $8 like you have to have whatever it was it was an outrageous amount of number for it to get down to where it was almost nothing right whereas cents which is where someone like Bank of America is like it cost him almost nothing to report right but he wasn't there so he figured okay that's fine at the rate we're going we'll be over the thousand it'll cost $8 or whatever it was I forget the number and he said but you know but by the time we got to the thousand like nobody was complaining you know he said like nobody like even people that called said hey it hasn't shown up yet we were like well yeah you have to make a few payments before he should trust me we've we're he's like he said and a lot of people would just stop paying so it's like

they don't say anything at all they don't want it to show up right and he said so six months a year went by right now he's just telling he's just just telling people oh we're reported where are you pulling from where are you like they just oh yeah then and i was like down the downward spiral right but at this point you could pay he's like i know i forget how many millions he ended up making five six million he was just tons and he's dumping money in the he's like you know advertising paying this like but you're making millions yes you're telling me you made if i had a a little scheme that i was running that was making me two million dollars and for me to make it legit i have to spend a million even if I had just a million out of my two

I'll spend the two the million to keep a million yes yeah he wouldn't do it wouldn't do it so within a year or two it catches up with them just a jerk off you know and then he gets arrested and then of course they go in front he's got

hundreds no sorry thousands and thousands of victims so what he thought was okay it's a few million dollars I'll do a couple years ended up being ridiculous it was like six to eight years or something because he had so many victims yeah Because do you remember that the federal sentencing guidelines, like if I have zero to 10, yeah, they changed it.

They changed it now, but when I got sentenced, yeah, zero to, what I'm saying is, no, it's five, it was five, wasn't it? No, it was more than 10. Right, no, it goes up in increments. Well, yeah, 10 and 50. Right. And then it goes up again. It goes of like 150, 250, and over 500, something like that.

Like, it keeps going. Oh, wow. When I got sentenced, it was more than 10, then it was more than 50. I think it was up to 250, up to 250 or one. They changed it. They changed it for real. I got slam. Well, so what happened with him was, like, let me, let me put it this way.

Let's say I stole a million dollars from two people. Like, I sold a million from you and a million from you. I don't get an enhancement for that. Like, I don't get it, let, I don't get an enhancement for, for, the victims, because, but if I stole, you know, $20 from 50 people, I get this massive enhancement. It's like, wait a second, I stole next to nothing from these people, 20 bucks a pop. That's nothing.

That's not going to change their life. These guys wiped someone out. And they're like, I know, but they have more victims. It's $20. Like even if it, and it's less money. Yeah, but you have more victims. Yeah. But that's a, like, this.

Their logic is skewed, but that makes sense to me. Because chances are the 20 bucks are from poorer people and you wipe out rich people. So it was $900,000 from an old retired woman. Yeah, you're right. It doesn't balance. They were trying to change that. There was like an amendment that, I forget, FAM had put up or somebody they were trying to, you know, they never do change them. But they were like when I was, you know, we were getting these letters like, hey, we're put this.

going up they're going to change this and this and this and like none of it passed the problem with the feds is it's none of it's retroactive yeah even if it has it be new people which which which you want to kind of say you know like okay so i already stole that money you know you don't make anything retroactive why why have to pay those freaking people that already already so you're like oh well this is wrong we'll change it but we're not going to let the people who got screwed by it we're not going to unscrew them so i got caught with a pound of marijuana today and I got a year Right

This guy got caught with two pounds On Tuesday And he gets nothing Right Because now it's not illegal Yeah but when you did it was illegal Yes but it's now not Right

I get it Can we let me Can we make it that retroactive And let me out? No Absolutely not No you're a criminal He didn't get it from a pharmacy either

I know but it's He got it from the same guy I got it from it doesn't matter yeah it's it's crazy it's crazy so yeah they never made any of those um victim changes retroactive but like um for me the the ponsi scheme i agree i think it's someone losing control of a specific situation like all the all the infamous all the famous ones that i know about it's just kind of like you get off the handle do you remember and i'm going to say this completely wrong where it's not even going to be probably valid i probably shouldn't even try it but there was

One guy that was offering a pill that was supposed to make your penis larger. Of course. Of course I do. And he goes, hi, meat, meat, dick. Yeah. And he would do that. It was so, yeah, you know, he got, yeah, he got busted. Yes.

Because, like, I'm going, what kind of, like, when I saw that, like, I immediately, I'm in jail. I immediately ran to the law library to look that up because I'm like, what Ponzi scheme could he have pulled off? Was it a Monsi scheme? Yes, it was. No. Because, oh, it was dishonest, it was a Ponzi scheme. No, it wasn't. It was just, because you couldn't cancel it.

Right. It was just, that's not a Ponzi scheme. You know what a Ponzi scheme is? It's, it's, Ponzi scheme is when you're, you're giving me money where you're taking from new victims to pay old victims off. And it eventually coll, yeah, are you serious? I'm serious. You're killing me. I'm sorry.

A Ponzi scheme is where you give me $100,000. And I say, you're making 20% a year. And you go, okay. But really, I just spent your money on a Lamborghini. you know and a new house for me and then when you say hey matt i need to get a hundred thousand of that back i say oh okay Connor give me a hundred thousand i'll make you 20% a year and you go okay you give it to me and i give you the hundred thousand or 20 or 20 000 whatever your proceeds are i'm taking from so anytime you pull it out pull out i'm giving you money that i'm

taking from mary shelley from Connor from jess from so other people are paying in and i'm Anybody who says, hey, man, I'm not using it for what you're supposed to use it for. Right, right. So anytime somebody said, you say, hey, I give you $100,000 and it's been five years, it's now worth $300,000. I say, oh, I got it. Here's your $300,000, but I just took their money to pay you. And when he asked for his money, I'm taken from Bob and Jim and Bill to pay him.

And so what happens is it's okay. It functions okay if more people pay in all the time. That's what Social Security is. Social security is people. It's a legal Ponzi scheme. Yes. Because they're pulling it from everybody's check to pay out people that had paid in originally.

Yes. Insolvent. But the meat, Dick and Jane, yes, that guy. Yeah, what was it? So what, you know, I know this whole scam. Well, you know what it was? You had to, oh, go ahead. You tell it.

Okay, so here's what he was saying. What they were saying was, well, it's a money back guarantee. Like, you pay for it. If it doesn't work, we'll give you your money back. And it didn't work. No, no. Well, of course it doesn't work. But his whole.

thing was when people said, I want my, man, I paid 500 bucks. I want my $500 back. It's been six months. I've been taking this pill. I'm out of pills. And nothing ever happened. My Johnson did not get bigger, which you promised. Right. And he said, okay, well, all we need is a letter from your doctor showing that prior to you taking the pills, you were this size, and now you're, you're still the same size, and that the pills did not help you. So just get us a letter from your doctor. you can prove it we'll give you the money back who the hell like i didn't if you read the fine print we have to have proof or that sort of so well i'm sorry but i didn't go to my doctor and get him to measure my junk before and after so they're like well i'm sorry then how do we know it didn't work

look how small my junk is exactly like so you imagine people are taking pictures here's your money back look at this some people are like this here's your money back does this look like my wife is smiling the way that chick on the commercial. Right. Right. Yeah. So as a result of that, they ended up. So it was unfair, you know, business practices.

It was false advertising. It was, we got to look that up because how would that be even a federal case? Just, uh, because he's doing it across state lines. He's doing it all over. Ain't, you know, still in from thousands and thousands of, you know, little penis men, which needs to be protected. Which is embarrassing itself, you know, I'm seeing it all lined up in court. Yeah.

I still got nothing I'm upsetting I wish what is that What is the name? What was the name of the Of the the scam Right? Scam Scam involving

Making your penis big with a pill Find smiling Bob Loses his four and his freedom. And news host, John London has more on the male enhancement kill scam in this story. It's new tonight at 530. Hi, John. Hushri, he was blinded by his own arrogance and greed.

That is the bottom line tonight from a federal judge who hit Steve Worshack with a 25-year prison sentence and a $500 million fine. If he's still in. Smiling Bob bumped up against the face of federal justice today in a case about greed. That's how Judge Arthur Spiegel puts it. giving Steve Worshack 30 days to get his affairs in order before heading for 20-plus years of federal prison. This was the perfect storm of consumer fraud. You had a group of consumers that wouldn't want to come forward and say that they'd been ripped off. Warshak started Berkeley nutraceuticals, which was rated on suspicion of massive fraud.

Federal investigators say consumers were ripped off, $100 million worth of ripping by way of those enzyme ads. That promised greater sexual satisfaction. According to the court, it delivered deception instead. Judge Spiegel telling Worshack he preyed on the sexual inadequacies and vulnerabilities of consumers so as to keep massive amounts of money generated by fraud. Attorney Jim O'Reilly is using this case as Exhibit A for his new book, Corporate Criminal Sentencing. As we spoke, the viability of the entire company rested on the size of the federal fine upstairs. Managements all the time are making decisions that are bet the company decisions.

He happened to bet on consumer fraud. He didn't get away with it. Warshak's 75-year-old mother got a two-year-old. sentence other defendants face the music tomorrow and late today the berkeley corporation was fined 15 million dollars those running that have three months to pay it it is not known tonight if they'll sell or even if they'll be able to continue to offer this ain't no result newsroom john london news find i'll tell you when i get home a hundred million dollar fraud and he did nine years nine years could you get somebody to do it for could you get somebody to do the time for mine was uh my fraud was a hundred thousand dollars i know and i got 16 and a half and my judge feels like that just simply wasn't

enough he's but it wasn't was it no it wasn't enough and on top of that you had an extensive criminal history yes my my lawyer see that look my lawyer called me a consumit consummate criminal i had to look that up consummate criminal yes when I read that in the transcript I'm like what the heck is that consummate mean did you go stop it it means perfect nice I like it I'll never forget that I'm reading in a transition Mr. Allen is a consummate criminal did you say your honor if I was consummate would we even be having this time I was a perfect criminal we wouldn't even know each other certainly wouldn't have been in front of you all these times

times over and over like at this point what's his first name my yeah who my judge yeah um james like at this point you basically walk in and go jimmy what's going on what have you been up to you know what i've been up to no that's why we're here can't stand that let's not go there all right so oh my god do you have any other uh schemes that you admire besides the uh little Dick and guy. You know, there's a rapper

named Little Dickie. Really? Yes. There's a rapper or there's a guy He got a TV show now doesn't he? Yeah.

There's a black Zach guy too. Black Zach. Have you ever punch in your thing? This is the first thing that comes up. Oh yeah.

Then this comes up. Then you come up. But the first guy, is way better mixed YouTube have you listened to the song no why what is it is it one song

I mean he's got 18 views have you listened to it yes it's horrible it's Zanadu quality you've already got more views than him yes yeah I'm

I want to copy him. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Check out the other blackjack, everybody. Oh, it's bad. Oh, it's horrible. I told you that. Look at the booty on that chick.

Look. He's got the glasses? Yeah. I can't dance. Oh. It, it, it, look. Look at him! Look at him! Come on, put this up.

Get him some viewers. Get him some subscribers. We need him some subscriber. Hold on. Connor. It's actually not bad. Why do you think that's bad? Are you serious?

Play that thing. I don't think it's bad at all. It's just good as any of the rap music I've heard. He's got a whole, he loves it too. He loves what he's doing. Here it comes. Dude, it's horrible. I'm like, what is this?

No way. I hope this doesn't get copyrighted. Oh, yeah, he takes it. How many songs? He only has one song or does he have multiple songs? No, he's got a, look, he's, look. So, well, he's got, oh, no, oh, he's got, look at it. Tell him to check out my channel.

We should, you should come back to Matt, like, thank you very much for subscribe. That's how you should close it out, the other black Zach. Speaking of illegal, speaking of schemes, what about the other black Zach? The guys whose name I stole. What about, listen, I knew a guy in Coleman that was a concert promoter that promoted several concerts. Right. And then, and people paid, whatever, a couple hundred bucks, like, I mean, radio stations, everything. And he was promoting concerts for people that weren't, like, these are artists that are like, well, when am I going to be in Michigan? What's going on? Like, he'd take them,

and they put the money, they'd send in their money, and then they, with a promoter would take the money. And then they would come out and say, hey, it's been postponed, postponed. Like, on the tickets, it says, like, hey, if there's, you know, weather and this and that were postponements, you'll, you'll understand. And he kept, he would postpone it like 60 days, then another 90, then another 30, then 60, and then they just drop away. They just fade out. And he kept your money. Right. Kept your money.

By that way, your money's way gone. Yeah. So he, but he did a whole thing. It eventually caught up with it. He was in Coleman with us. And when I got out, he, listen to this. I always forget about this. This is hilarious.

So when I first got to that, this is a whole sidebar thing. So when I first got to the. Halfway House. Do you remember how, how, which halfway house did you go to? Tampa, the same one you did. Okay. So, you know, they were tricked, right? Like, they were like, like, they're checking you, you come in, and then they do the.

Not thoroughly, but yeah. Rule-wise, yes. Rule-wise, yes. What I'm saying is, what, when, so, for instance, people couldn't just show up. And, like, for instance, and they told you give, you get the little speech when you got there. Yes. Like if you have,

don't friends come over, they have to be, you have to tell them, they have to sign in. They have to this. Like, don't have somebody come meet you in the parking lot. Right.

Like, that's an issue. Like, if they saw you, they'd violate you. Like, hey, some guy just came by, they'd search you, like, what's going on? You stood out there

and talked to that guy for 20 minutes and, you know, that sort of thing. You know, hey, that's an illegal this, whatever, stand there. We're calling. Like, they,

they'd violate you. You'd go spend 30 days in the county jail. So they, to me they were strict like they had made you clean all the time if you didn't have a job you're cleaning all the time like they made you want to get out of that halfway house as quick as possible so and i was there for seven months you know you were there you were a job yeah i know which i'm saying you you were on home you got on ankle monitor right away you were out right away 30 days 30 days i was there seven months so were you in there whole seven months you never got home confinement you didn't have

where i didn't have a home i can't say with my mom you know my god seven months seven months you and jess right no jess got out within 60 90 days she was out oh okay because she had her dads oh okay um and the only reason that took so long was like he had to get like a landline like he didn't have a landline there's he's in myackie he's got a cell phone who the hell has a landline right um so anyway the point is is that when i got there i had been there two weeks i get there I'm keeping my head down. I'm just doing what I have to do. I get there.

And probably within a week, guys are walking around. One day, all of a sudden, within like a day or so, I noticed, guys are walking around looking at me, looking at me. And then one day I walk by a guy sitting on the couches. Remember the couches in the middle, in the day room?

Guys watching, he's watching my, this is when my American greed was on Hulu. He's watching it on Hulu as I walk by. and I hear the whole and I'm like I look over and he's sitting there watching and I look he looks up he just smiles

and he was watching I was like you know I was like oh man so I then I walk and a counselor not my counselor is actually he was Jess's counselor this black guy he walks by and looks at me

he goes Cox saw you on TV last night and I went on what and he goes he said on American greed I was like oh man he was saying yeah yeah you need to hold your head low like he was like give me all he was laughing

about it like they were but i say who else has seen it and he goes oh we've all seen it by now everybody like all the staff member had seen it so that had just happened and now the inmates are starting to watch it right and i'm not saying anything i'm just trying to go to working back right like i just started my job so then one day i'm sitting there on the sitting outside on the uh outside, I'm sorry, sitting on one of the couches in the day room, playing on my phone or even trying to figure it out. And a guy comes up to me,

this guy that was in Coleman with goes up, he goes up, hey, Cox, you got to come outside real quick. There's a guy outside wants to talk to you. And I went, what? He goes, there's a guy outside I wants to talk to you. And I went, who? Tell him to come in. He was not, he's in a car.

He needs to talk to you. And he goes, you need to come outside. And I went, all right, all right. So I get up. I was like, the fuck's going on. I don't know anybody. nobody the only people that know i'm even here is like treon and i'm working for him like who stops and nobody's stopping by the halfway who knows where the halfway house is right i walk outside

remember how everybody used to stand outside and smoke yes there's like 20 tree yeah exactly there's 20 guys standing outside smoking like this staring the guy that i told you about the concert promoter is in a white Lamborghini with the the top off his girlfriend is driving the car, blonde, blue-eyed, I walk out, and I see him, and I walk over and he goes, he goes, Matt, Cox, he's come here, come here. I walk over and I go, hey, what's going on? I barely, I kind of recognized him. He'd sat through my real estate class a couple times. We'd had lunch a few times. Like, I don't really remember him that much, but he remembered me. He said, hey, man, I'm so-and-so. I was in your real estate class. Do you remember me? And I was like, yeah, man what's going on like i kind of remembered him i was like yeah that was that was like a long time he goes

yeah it was a few years ago i told you i looked you up he said i looked in the looked you up every once in while i would look go on bop and i saw that you were going to be in the halfway house he said i knew it said orlando you were going to be in rlando he says oh i checked and sure enough you were here i told my girl we had to go by he said man you need anything i said no man i said i'm not even supposed to be talking to you bro i said like they got videos like you're going to get me violated. He goes, well, how can I get you talk to you? And I said, man, I said, I work at a gym, and I told

him the name of the gym and this, and I'm sitting there talking to a guy in a Lamborghini in the halfway house parking lot, with all these guys smoking cigarettes, like, what the hell is going on? I go, but honestly, I can't. I said, I work at a gym. It's called, you know, Cultus 24, 24-7 fitness. So look it up, 24-7 fitness. I'll be there tomorrow. And I turn around. He's, all right, I got you.

I got you. And I walked off. called me like two days late two three days later he called the gym talked to me got my phone number came by the gym we talked for a while pulls up in his Lamborghini yeah I was just like like this is not this is my life on July 18th get excited this is big for the summer's biggest adventure I think I just smurf my pants

that's a little too excited Sorry. Smurfs. Only date is July 18th. Like, you know what I know? This is insane. You know, I've met a month, since, since I went to prison. Like I've met four or five guys that have Lamborghinis.

Yeah. You know? I've met two. Yeah, it's outrageous. Like, I didn't know these people before. Where were these people before? When I had money. You were in a low.

Yeah. I'm in a pen and a medium. There shouldn't have been no guys with a Lamborghini and pins of medium. That's insane. Those are violent guys. It's none of them. No. One of you introduced me to,

which was the guy you sent me to Miami for, the one with the liquid. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He pulled up in his Lamborghini. I'm like, what the, yeah. Good times. And the other one is who does my daughter's hair.

Oh, okay. So, yeah. Now, these are all like prison guys with Lampaign. We're going to, no, no, not all of them. Well, you know, prison is the great equalizer, you know. Yeah, absolutely. Because Conrad Black was at Coleman Lowe. Yeah.

And he's a multi-billionaire. Yeah. Oh, I've met, there have been a few billionaires. Listen, I've met like three guys. I want to say something, I think, I feel like it's three guys. I know for sure it's, no, it is. I think it's three guys that worked at NASA. three guys that worked at NASA that I met that worked at NASA

that were all in there. All of them, pictures. I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I don't know if there's a correlation there, but the fact that you meet one person in real world that worked at NASA is odd. Like how often does that happen? Even if you lived in Florida, that's odd. To meet three, listen, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, military dorm, my buddy Pete said the military dorm, out of the entire military dorm, there's like

32 to 35 guys that don't have charges for pictures. Out of 150 guys, there's what, close to 120 that are there for pictures. I just saw that. I just saw it in the paper the other day about a raid and with the pictures. Didn't I show you what I got the message? where it comes through like hi my name is such and such I want to talk with you no I get that all the time I get where it's just a random text it's like hey hey John or yeah Sally and you're like this isn't Sally oh what's your name stop it stop it I don't know what you're doing I don't have time for this foolishness I wouldn't even I don't even respond to those I'm talking I get a text message or or a messenger request I told you about that one time and like hi I'm 16 and I'm like

Oh, my God. Right. No, I don't get that far. Like, I have gotten. Well, no, because I'm like, oh, she's pretty. Let me get. You're like, oh, oh. Slash the stand jumps are jumping on it.

Yeah. I just got a random text just now. Probably coupled with a picture. My name is. No. To me, all that, that's in entrapment. Yeah. Oh, we got to put those out.

Get the hell out of here, man. I read somebody, I read a case with that. happened to some I'm trying to remember what was the circumstance behind that I remember a case that there was a first time that like the guy because supposedly in the federal system entrapment is not a defense like they don't want they don't allow you to say I was in trap I was in trap simply because that's what they're doing because that's what they're doing like I hate it when you use what they're doing against them um so so this is a guy that owned a piece of land that was right next to a piece of a federal park, right, like a national park.

And the park wanted to buy his land. And he, for 20 years or something, he refused to sell it. And suddenly, some new park administrators had come on board and they were talking about expanding the park. And they were like, well, this is the park that we want. And they were trying to, like, say, we're going to take it. And he was saying, you don't have to have it. Like, you can't use eminent domain to take my property.

it doesn't benefit the public enough that you need it. You've already got 400,000 acres of, you know, of land. Like, it's just stupid. And he wouldn't sell it. And so suddenly he started getting these emails for a website for pictures. And he, you know, he deleted it. And then it came again two days later. deleted it then another one came and deleted it then another one came and every day we're talking

about every day four or five a day of these emails saying to visit the website very specific saying what it was this went on for 90 days this guy this guy like it was something like close to a thousand times deleted it finally one day he clicked on it he said i he said i didn't know how to make it stop. I'd hit the note stop to unsubscribe. And they showed. They proved it. He'd done all this. One day he finally clicked on it. He clicked on it. And it's something basically, he said, I flipped through some pictures. You know, he said very quickly, maybe five or ten pictures.

He said, got off the website, click the unsubscribe and deleted it, thinking maybe that will work. Like it was kind of, it was something along those lines. Right. He's trying to finalize it. Like get rid of it. of this. There was like a 60 minutes about this. The only reason I know it. It was like a 60 minutes. 60 minutes or 20, 21 of those. And so, and I could be botching the story slightly. But what ended up happening was he gets arrested like three days later. They indict him and come and arrest him. And during the negotiations, they're telling him like, hey, look, like you plead guilty. You know, like they're trying to get his property. They're trying to use seizure to take his property. He's saying, what are you talking about? Like, seize what? What do you? That has nothing to do with this. And I don't even know, know what happened. here like I was trying to get rid of these things so he goes to trial even those lawyers saying you're done you're done people have no they're not going to look past the fact that you clicked on it he goes to trial and he wins which was insane because he did click on it and he did look at the images and that's all the law says but it was enough that his lawyer had put together enough of a defense to say it's outrageous

how many times they they hammered him and bombarded him with this and so he was able to to win an entrapment style claim. Right. And he ended up winning. But it was a, it was, and they showed also that they were, that the FBI was targeting him very specifically. Like, yeah, they were, they were trying to get himmed up so that they could get a hold of his land somehow, get some leverage.

Now, they were never able to get a specific person or anything, but it was pretty clear and that he ended up winning it. Good. Right. But, you know, like you said, like, but. Surprise he didn't end up going to prison anyway. Right. But that almost never happened.

So I'm saying the idea that he could win that defense, it almost never happened. Never. So that's an example that. I tell you another time, a guy was buying a guy, I knew a guy that, and this was pretty well documented too. This is like totally off the subject. But anybody watching this that's watching this far would probably be interested. The point is that this guy had, he was buying credit card information. And the guy said,

hey, what about getting some pictures? I think we all know what kind of pictures we're talking about. And like I said, hey, man, I sell, I sell pictures, I sell videos, I have pictures of this. And he was like, oh, bro, I'm not interested in that. I'm trying to get, you know, you advertised on this website that you had credit card information. Like, that's who he thought he was contacting. Right. And it somehow or another, it wasn't that.

Like they were like, well, we don't have that. He ended up getting an FBI agent that was getting this up doing, you know, or grab trying to get people to be interested in this other thing so he ends up saying no no no no no and finally the guy says i have bootleg videos of new movies and i have the credit card information you want so he says okay double well so he says well the bootleg videos were just like bootleg videos from movies. So he dropped the other thing. And then they sent he bought it. They sent it to

him. He gets it in the information they had put they had put like jpags of photographs of young people. They indict him, arrest him.

They come and arrest him, grab his computer, he's got the images on there. They showed that he did look at them for a few seconds of peace, but in his mind, he said, did I look at them? Yes. He said, I didn't know what they were because I told him over and over again. I wasn't interested in that.

He did take a plea, by the way. He ended up taking a plea because he said I was so, my lawyer was like, you're so screwed because the law says if you simply have possession, you're already guilty. They go, and you did have possession, and you did look at the pictures, and you looked at them too long. Like if you look at them for more than like four seconds or something, or six seconds, there's a length of time

for you to look at it, realize what you're looking at is wrong, and delete it. He looked at it for longer. And then, and he didn't delete them. They were like,

so it's still on your computer. You didn't try and delete them. You're guilty. So he just took a plea. He got like, I don't know what it was five years, six years, whatever it was.

For just a few. Yeah, see, see? Like, and people say, like, well, what are you guys,

you get so freaked out if somebody's trying to send you a message or hell, he'd talk to Boziac. Bozac's like he's like anybody that tries to contact me that I think is even remotely too young I don't it's like boom no no no they sneak up on you I have a um a buddy of my old sally that on his Facebook page he sent me a couple of them I'm like what what is this oh this my girlfriend I'm like hey don't send me anymore yeah anybody that looks yes even remotely yes and what's so

funny too is like you could be 25 years old and and send me a picture 25 year olds to me look like they're 12 you know like every the older you get the younger everybody else looks so some girl said oh I'm 25 I'd be like I just chick looks like she's 12 years old you know so yeah so yeah I could imagine me it's because I hear these horror stories horror stories well you like I wasn't around them too though ones I was around were um probably success they weren't just picture watchers no they're they're they're they're didlers too we had the We had the handlers on the roof. Yeah, hands on and hands off.

Yeah. You know that dude, you were talking to? Yeah, you know he's hands on, right? Oh, man, are you serious? No, no hands on would be there at all. Oh, at your place. At your place. No, at the low?

At the low. Yeah, they were there. The hands on? Yeah. Yeah, these are guys like brought somebody across state lines. I told you, didn't I ever tell you about it? But it couldn't have been a full rape. No, this is a low.

Right. That's what I'm saying. Oh, I don't know about the. full, this is somebody who made the attempt or was actually showed up someplace. Right. The ones that I saw were absolutely hands on. Oh, yeah. Oh, well, listen, there was a guy in Germany who flew from Germany to the United States thinking he was meeting like a 14-year-old boy or something.

Flew all the way there. And it's legal in Germany, by the way. Like the age of consent was like 14. The boy was 14. He flies all the way over here, gets arrested and says, hey, I haven't done anything wrong. I was in my country. They said, you flew to the United States. He then goes to the German consulate and tries to get help.

They wouldn't lift a finger for him. He's like, it's not illegal in Germany. Like, I didn't do it. And the other thing was in Germany, like, you didn't do anything. To him, it's like, I just showed up. I didn't do it. In Germany, you would have to have done something. They were like, nope, 25 years.

America, when America tells them like, like, we're keeping this one, you're, the consulate's kind of like, oh, well, there's nothing we can do. yeah it's crazy yeah i don't anyway i mean not that he's not a weirdo but is he a weirdo i mean you know you get to a point where it's like everybody's a weirdo

i i said everybody i met was just like odd you know it's like everybody you just meet people he's just i you know it was so i hate to say that i would you know started to try and figure out what people's charges were like i you know and they would lie you know they always use fraud

they always say what we hear of fraud man you mother Why can't you say something you could pull off? Because, you know, very quickly, it's like, oh, what kind of fraud? Credit card fraud. You were charged with credit card fraud? Yes. Charter's charge.

They actually said credit card fraud? Yeah, it was credit card fraud. Well, there's no federal charge for credit card fraud. So it had to be access device fraud. It had to be like, like, if you're going to lie about my field of expertise, learn something. Research. That's right. Like, you can't say, like, you know, cannabis.

I was receiving cannabis in the mail. Say that. You don't have to know anything. Well, you know, I will give them credit. Like, if they're at the low and they're saying fraud, that's actually security level appropriate. Because most of the time, drugs are medium and up. Right.

There were some guys that would work their way down from the medium to the low. But, yeah, I'm putting for drugs. They probably feel like they get called out for drugs too fast anyway. Yeah, well, I don't think they, listen, it doesn't matter. You talk to these guys for for 10 minutes And anyways, after 10 minutes you're just like No man I don't mean

Even if you talk to talk like I'm sorry bro I don't believe you You're not a drug out You're not here for that Yeah you don't know what you're talking about I got all the lingo that stop it I've been watching them Yeah get out of here

Yeah You can sorry Bro you're all I'm It's all I think about The ones that you envy Is that what that's Oh listen I hear scam. Are we recording?

Yes. Okay. So I hear scams all the time where I see it. I read a little article or somebody tells me about their scam or I'll see something on the news and it's just like, oh man, like if they just did, if they didn't, the problem with most people is you read this scam and you're like, that's a good scam. Like what went wrong? Like he did it in his own name. Or he did it in his sister's name or his one of his buddies like what are you doing and or and then it breaks down where you're like why didn't they just open a bank account in somebody else's name or in a fake person's name or in a you know a homeless person or whatever's name and dump the money in there and remove it and you're like well and then I always have to remind myself like bro not everybody

and this is going to sound arrogant has your skill set like not everybody can figure out how to get a driver's license in somebody else's name or an ID or whatever not everybody's multifaceted where they like they just have a scam and they like a pit bull and lock on it. Right. They're like, I could probably make, uh, I could probably make $10,000, $20,000 on this, not realizing, okay, you could make $20,000. Yes. But three months from now, you're in front of a judge or you're just getting handcuffed and you're waiting to be in front of a judge. Yeah. And then you do six months or a year and now you're on your probation and then you start looking back on it. You go, Jesus God Almighty for $30,000 or $20,000. I just put a year in jail.

I've spent a year in jail. I lost all my shit. People never realized like, going to jail, who gives a shit? I don't give a shit. I'll go to jail for fucking six months. If I can come back where I left off.

The problem is you're coming back. You've lost everything. And what's even worse is the people you know are the ones that took it. Yes. Like nobody came in and boxed up my shit and stuck in the storage unit. Even in their garage. It's pilfered. You get absolutely robbed.

Everyone's taking everything. You see somebody two years later. you're like, hey, Jimmy, what? Is that my shirt? Maybe. I got it from Goodwill. Yeah, let's start this. All right.

What are we doing? Do I start? Okay. What else? That's it. End this. What's up? Is that it?

Are we done? We got the video. You got the Blackzac video. Oh, I love the Blacksack video. You should. contact Black Zach and say can I use like we could do theme music

we could cut that up into throw that thing Hey this is Matt Cox Did you change it to Hey this is Matt Cox And I'm here with Zach And I appreciate Zach coming on I don't think he even switches it

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and plunge from his multi-million dollar private aircraft in the dead of night. the $11.1 million in life insurance, the missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is, Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his stories of fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and yes, Khan's Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels. This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. bailout, the life and lies of Marcus Shringer,

available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audible. Matthew B. Cox is a conman, incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem, Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as Ardap. A drug program in name only.

Ardap is an invasive behavior modification therapy, specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a non-fiction dark comedy, which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survival-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit. While navigating the treachery of his backstabbing peers, Cox, simultaneously. simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff every step of the way. The program. How a conman survived the Federal Bureau of Prisons cult of Ardap. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

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