Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Harsh Truth About Pill Mills | DOCTV813 Matt Cox Inside True Crime Podcast

Episode Date: January 7, 2024

Harsh Truth About Pill Mills | DOCTV813 Matt Cox Inside True Crime Podcast

Longbendy Twizzlers candy keeps the fun going. Because I don't even really know this chick. She's in my house. She's dying on my couch. So there's a knock at my door. And I don't want to answer it because I don't want anyone to see what the hell's going on. I'm like in a state of shock at this point.

Right. So I answer the door and it's the girl's grandma looking for. Hey, this is Matt Cox and I'm here with Josh. Josh actually runs a prison channel called Doc TV 813. And he's from Tampa. Did you grow up in Tampa? Yeah, I was born in Tampa. Yeah.

And so we're doing an interview. All right. So it's not, yeah, that's what we're doing. There's not a, not a lot that goes into my intro. All right. So what you were born, well, basically you were in prison for what? Total of six years. I went to prison twice.

And then a bunch of times in county jail and a couple juvenile programs that I went to. So yeah, it's been a glorious life. Yeah. All right. So you were born in. Tampa. I was born in Tampa, yeah. So I was born in Tampa and my mom and dad never married. It was a pretty rough from the beginning, you know what I mean, with them. And then they separated and my mom started drinking a lot. She is an alcoholic. So, you know, my dad was working, trying to build a

business. They're not together. And I ended up with my grandparents. And they raised me pretty much my whole life. My dad died when I was seven. My mom never stopped drinking from the time I was two. So I went to live with my grandparents like pretty much permanently. You know, she would come in out of my life at some points and I would go live there for a couple months. But then, you know, shit would go crazy. And that's really like when I became exposed to like chaos, you know, like domestic batteries and shit like that. So all right. Well, where did you go to school? I went to school in Pasco. All right.

And when do you, I mean, you already said juvenile facility. So, I mean, I'm assuming you basically were getting into trouble from the very get-go. Yeah, man, it happened from a pretty young age. So the first charge I ever caught, and before I get into that, like, I don't know what made me start getting in trouble. I don't know if it was because I saw the shit. I saw my mom or it was almost like I was addicted to the chaos, I guess, and a weird. Well, you're also if your grandparents are probably at that point, you're young, they're still what, I mean, it's hard for them to keep an eye on you. right yeah they they were they were pretty young but yeah like it was there was nothing they could do

once i decided to really go right i mean but so yeah i was 12 years old i'm in sixth grade um me and a kid it was one of my good friends growing up like you know in elementary school he gets off at my stop at the bus stop and you know we got some weed from a high schooler because the schools were connected and we went and we smoked some weed and we got high and as we're smoking the weed like he pulls out a handkerchief and he I was like what's that for and he's like oh I'm hitting houses and that's how I had my fingerprints like putting it over your hands so he was like I'm like what so he's telling me about how he's robbing houses and I'm like well shit bro this sounds easy the way he's talking about it so he's like you want to hit a house so we end up hitting this house it was

an ex Tampa Bay buccaneers that lived in my neighborhood we knew his son but we didn't really like him. So with that day, when we're smoking, we're like, well, dude, this kid's dad, his parents got money. He was an ex-buccaneer. We don't really like the kid. We know he's not at home right now. We know his parent, you know, so we end up hitting the house and we stole guns, ammunition. We stole over $10,000 in jewelry. So that charge at your sixth, you're sixth grade. You're what, 12, 13? How? Bro, the money that we, we stole the jewelry and his sister ponded him and we got the money. So I'm in sixth grade in the cafeteria buying like girls chip burgers and freaking ice cream sandwiches thinking I'm like this pimp, bro. So but yeah.

So as you know, though, in Florida, the laws are fucked up. So when I got caught for the robbery, when we stole the ammunition, we armed ourselves in the process of a burglary. So now I just turned. Okay. For the burglary. For the burglary. Yeah. It was, it would have been like a regular burglary.

like of an occupied or unoccupied. But since we stole, you know, gun and ammunition, they bumped it up to armed burglary, which, you know, that's a serious charge. That's a PBL in Florida. So, and then we stole over $10,000 in jewelry. So we got grand larceny charge. I'm in sixth grade detectives.

How did you get caught? Okay. So remember when we were smoking the weed, he's hitting other houses. Well, he got caught for one of those houses and it all matched the same M.O. he got busted and you know how that goes so so Josh yeah so I'm in sixth grade I look across out of my science class and there's detectives arresting the kid I robbed the house with so I was like oh man

they're coming for me so I walked all the way home I get home I call my grandfather I'm like they're coming and they end up coming to the house they're knocking on the door I hide under the bed he's like don't answer the door they get me an attorney and I end up getting felony probation until I was 18 for that charge and I had to pay restitution and do all the little, you know, jump through the fucking hoops. They make you jump through. How old were you? I was 12 when I caught that charge. You were on probation from 12 to 18. Yeah, to an adult. And I had to complete a bunch of other stuff. So needless to say, I didn't, I didn't complete that. And then if I would have, it wouldn't have been on my record. But now, you know, obviously it is. Yeah. So, you know, after that,

I kind of stopped and it scared me and, you know, I did good for a little bit. And then I eventually like 13, 14, I started, you know, I don't know what it was with me, man. Like I always had an attraction to bad shit. Like I didn't, you know, watch, you know, Steve Urkel. I was watching Scarface and I was like, that's the kind of fucking life I want. You know what I mean? Right. But that never happened.

So, yeah, I just started like, you know, making bad decisions, man. and getting in fights at movie theaters turned into violating probation for battery, you know, just a bunch of other like stupid charges, but it all stemmed back to a big charge, which was the armed burglary. So I ended up having to go to a juvenile program where it's really like I got a taste of what like being locked up was, you know what I mean? I mean, I've heard the juvenile program every time I've ever talked to anybody about the juvenile programs the the the the like the facilities are fucking are horrible yeah horrible i mean that's

what everybody's i don't know how yours was but everybody i've talked to has been like oh they're they're like gladiator schools they're just fights all the time and it's yeah yeah you're fighting like 24-7 especially when you get there and then you know kids are stupid so they're like sticking broomsticks up kids asses and shit when they're fighting them so just like a lot of crazy shit and it's like you know when you're young and you watch that you almost get desensitized to the violence because it just becomes like an everyday thing. So it almost like it conditions you to be the convict, the state wants you to be. You know what I mean? It turns into a little monster. Yeah, like a little heathen. So, um, you know, I went in there. I did what I had to do

to survive in that place. Um, and I got out. And even after that, man, like I never really wanted to change. There was this point when I was like 18, 19 that, you know, I'm, we were, I was already selling weed. So I have a partner that we're selling weed. We're skipping school. We think we're fucking Pablo Escobar and shit. And, you know, his dad was like hooked in with this like biker gang. So he was like, man, why are you all making that little money selling weed when you could be doing this? So that's the one's parent. Yeah, that was my home. My boy's dad. Yeah. So check this. You guys aren't doing it on a big enough level. That's your problem. That's what your guys are doing wrong. You're not at the high level. Yeah. And when, and when you hear the story and I'm telling you

like wait, wait till you hear what happened. So he put us in with this doctor. He said, you know, go in this doctor's office. You're going to tell him this, this, this and this. And he's going to give you this, this and this. And then you're going to bring it back to me. I'm going to sell. Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size. Whether you're taking over your parents' basement or moving to campus, IKEA has hundreds of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget. After all, you're in your small space era it's time to own it shop now at ikea dot cae i'm going to give you money you know what i mean so really it was like a selfish need for the dad i think so so we end up doing it and

we get these scripts we're getting like at this time it was like viking in it was like you know x what time frame was this what year was this two this is when this was like 2002 2001 2003 around So there's pill mills, but they're not really clamping, and they're not clamping down on them yet. They're just starting to blossom. This was like before there was pill mills. There was this like infamous doctor in Pasco, Dr. Corbathina. And he had two offices and he was, he was already a pill mill before anyone had ever heard about pill mills. You know what I'm saying?

So we went in and we started getting prescriptions. We started selling them. We're still selling the weed. We're making more money. And eventually, you know, my friend starts taking. the pills that we're selling and he starts getting really bad on Xanax and we would like this was before pills when Vicodins were like you know wow now you know it's fentanyl but so we had all the Vicodin and we end up getting stronger pills they were oxycotton 80s and they had a coating on

him so you know my boy that's popping the Xanax is like oh man these are supposed to be fucking crazy so he ends up taking one and there's a coating it's a time release pill so he doesn't feel anything and you know an hour or two and we're out of party and he's like man these ain't shit and he starts taking more and so does the kid that lived that was with us at this party they lived across the street from each other right so we leave the party I drive both of them home drop Joe he gets out goes across street the other kid goes home and I go home the next morning like 11 o'clock I'm like waking up and I got all these, like, messages on my voicemail. So I was like, well, damn, I called Joe.

He didn't answer. I called the other kid. So I drive over to Joe's. And when I get there, like an ambulance had just left. So the Joe that took all those pills, he died. And so did the kid across the street. They were both taking the pills that night. So I'm sitting in the front of his, in his house with his mom and his dad.

His mom's freaking heartbroken. And, like, the dad's the one that's. sent us on the mission to begin with. So like, and I know all this. Right. So, you know, my head is like fucking going everywhere because I was like my best friend. So it was just, it was crazy, man. So that doctor ended up getting arrested.

He had Medicaid fraud, Medicare fraud, all a bunch of shit. What happened with the, what's going on? Okay. Sorry. So what, I mean, did the doctor get arrested? that he got arrested? No, he did. So, like, the scripts didn't catch up with him.

Yeah, no. He just eventually for something else, he got indicted and, and, okay. Right. And it was at this point. Because, you know, now they, they, they crucible, like, that doctor, they would have made a huge investigation. But I mean, I'm just saying, I remember when I was growing up, if you went into the doctors, you said, oh, I'm feeling anxious and straight.

They cut your script like nothing. Yeah. Now you have to go through, jump through hoops to get a script for anything. Used to be, you could walk in and say, hey, my buddy's taking so-and-so and I have the same kind of issue. Can I get a script for this? before I you and when you just walked in they're already pulling out the script they're writing scripts for anything Xanax you need you know value what do you need what's wrong okay yep now now

it's way different now people that need it can't get it you know absolutely yeah I used to take I used to take have a script a script for Xanax I went to go get another script they were like no what you mean now I used to have a script yeah you need to go well you have to come in we have to try you on this first and in six months then come back and we'll try like it's like what do you're you're yeah they're making you jump through hoops right like for yeah even though i felt like i need it you know so anyway see now i'll say that and now there'll be people in the comment section will be like bro i'm gonna send you some zan they don't send me anything yeah don't you don't do that do nothing i'm good so so yeah man it was at that point really where

you know when i saw the things with the doctor and the money um and like i said that was before the pill mills were really bad and it was at this point that they were beginning to to build momentum you know what I mean so um I just got really uh in that man so I was you know going to the doctor how old are you at this point I was like 21 20 21 around there um I was so I was 21 I was with a girl that was like 34 I think at that time so now I'm going to the doctor I have her going to the doctor So between us, we can make, you know, like five grand a week easy, just us going and selling the shit. Right. So, you know, then all these people start becoming addicted to pills, you know, like the whole county is a freaking cesspool.

So people are sick and now you have the opportunity because somebody does all their pills and now they're sick and they need more and they did their whole script in a week. So now they, what are they going to do? So then they would, you know, call me and I would front them, you know, 100 pills for 200. back when they go to the doctor by the time you do that with like five 10 people each person the next thing you know you have like this pipeline right people that you know every month are getting you know 200 pills worth 15 dollars a piece and they know somebody and they know somebody right you're running out so now I'm renting a hotel room in sarasota with like 10 other people and I'm taking all them to the doctor because we can't do it.

where we live in Tampa because we already did that like two days ago. So now we're on to like the next county. And then I eventually ended up meeting some lady who owned a company and her son lived in Kentucky and in Kentucky. It's, yeah, 30 milligram oxycodone that's $8 in Florida is $30 in Kentucky because they sell it for a dollar a milligram because it's like the hillbilly heroin up there. So now I'm mailing, now I'm driving. Now I'm like driving straight through 20 hours just to bring hundreds of pills to

get rid of them for more money. And then I eventually got into a car accident. I got ejected from the car. I broke my sternum coming home from a car show one day. And so I go to the hospital and I get painkillers to kill the pain. And then the next thing I knew, like fast forward six, seven months, now they have like sunk their claws into me like because I started taking it for a good reason, but a lot of people don't get that once you do that, you know, you can't just stop.

Yeah, you're locked in. Yeah, you'll go, you'll get sick. Even the medication that helps to get you off of like Suboxin, you'll get hooked on Suboxin. It's less addictive. It's still addictive. You know, you still, I know guys that are like,

I got hooked on the Suboxone. Yeah, and that was like, it's supposed to get you off. Right, exactly. But that was like 10 years ago. So I would literally walk into one doctor and I would get, you know, 300 oxycodone 30s, 120 Xanax bars, There's 120 somas, 240 oxy-40s in one month from one doctor.

So when you start getting that, you know what I mean? And you're selling them and you're making money. And then now you're taking them eventually like your habit just goes through the freaking roof. Like if I've told you how many pills I've took in one day, you'd probably be like, yeah, right, bro. Like I thought it was cool to say that. Yeah, you build up a huge tolerance. Yeah. So that went on.

and you know when that happened um you know man it just gets dark you start once you're in that game you start meeting people that you know normally you're not going to go fucking chill with you know what i mean and so it just you know you the gang start coming into play and then you have like you know now i'm going to jail so now i'm becoming accustomed to going to jail the first time i went to jail i was scared you know what i mean i didn't want to be there did never wanted to go back but then 10 times later, now I'm walking in and I know the fucking half the pod because I was in here a year ago, you know, and I just became, that became the way of life. And so I was doing the doctor shopping. I'm with the chick that's 34. I'm like 20 some, early 20s. We were living in

Ocala. All the doctors were in Tampa. So I came up with the bright idea. Let's move to Tampa. So we're right near the fucking doctors. We don't got to make this drive anymore. So we did. we find this condo and we move in and there's no washer and dryer there's nothing in it i got to take like five people to the doctor the day we move in so she's there i leave pick up all these kids bring them to the doctor like they're like 19 year old kids you know what i mean this sounds like we've talked about it like this sounds like the book i wrote generation oxy on dug dog yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you knew we grew up in the same town yeah this is the same thing he's driving he's I'm picking this guy up, I'm dropping this guy,

go get these two guys. Everything you're saying is like exactly like his story. Yeah, it was nuts, man. It just keeps getting worse and worse and he people are dying left and right. Like he could name 10 people that he knew that died, like so-and-so died and so-and-so, these are guys that he knows, just like you. Yeah, still dying too to this day. So we move in and we don't have anything there.

I got to take these people to the doctor. So I do that. It's like 3 o'clock in the afternoon. I'm coming home. I got a bunch of pills. I'm already on the phone telling my friends like, hey, I got you here. I'll meet you here. You know what I mean?

So I get home and she's there with some chick that she had like met that lived in the like the complex where we were moving into. So I had all these people coming over and I had to leave and I'm like, yo, who is this chick? Like you need to get her out of here. And she's like, oh, she's just the neighbor. She's like, we're going to go. She's going to come on me to the laundromat to do the laundry. Because we didn't have anything in there.

So they leave. I do what I got to do. I forget how long went by probably about an hour or something like that and they come home and I can tell right when they walk in the door like something's off like they look like they were either like trying to like something just it didn't feel right so like five minutes after they get home there's a knock at the door and I'm thinking it's like someone I know coming coming by so I don't think I open the door it's a cop and he's like where's I'm not going to say her name but where's so and I'm like what what the hell's going on and she's right behind me you know it's a little apartment that were in a little condo and he when they were out they went to get something to eat they rear-ended somebody at a light and she i guess she didn't have a license and i didn't know that so they backed up and left they got the tag so now they're arresting the girl that i'm with right other girls there with her so i'm as she's getting arrested i'm telling the other girl like hey you need to go home i'm going to bond her out you know i don't even know who the hell i don't even know

this girl's name at this point so she walks off i go back in the house i go back in the house and call people anyways I had to be there the next day at 6 a.m. to pick her up so I set the alarm passed out took took a bunch of Xanax and fell asleep woke up because the phone's going off and I go out into the living room and the girl that was with my girl when she got arrested is on the couch like passed out like laid out on the couch and as I walk over to her there's like all these pills everywhere so I'm like in my head when I saw that I was was like she tried to rob me and passed out in the process because she was all probably messed up so I go over and I'm mad so I like hit her on her shoulder I'm

like yo wake up bitch right so when I do that she starts going into convulsions foaming out of her mouth like literally flopping like like violently back and forth like to the point where I was like damn like like an exorcism type shit so I go over to the fridge I'm grabbing water I'm dumping it on her I'm freaking out because I don't even really know this chick. She's in my house. She's dying on my couch. So there's a knock at my door. And I don't, I don't want to answer it because I don't want anyone to see what the hell's going on. I'm like in a state of shock at this point. Right. So I answer the door and it's the girl's grandma looking for like the odds of this man. So she's on the couch. The grandma sees she's

freaking out. She's like call 911. I had like a little cordless phone. This was back in the day. And I dial like 511 and I'm like they're not answering 9-1-1's not answering because I don't want the cops there there's so much shit going on and finally I had to call 911 because I don't want this girl to die but I don't want to go to prison either so I'm at this like let her die go to prison and you know I'm not I got something you know I'm a good person I'm not going to let that happen so they come they take her in an ambulance dude like literally probably like 10 or 15 cop cars show up in front of my condo and you know they already knew who I was in this town I'd been arrested two weeks prior to this arrest I was arrested for a DUI I was in selling pills pulled up to a light at

two o'clock in the morning and fell asleep with my foot on the break out of light and woke up with a cop waking me up because I'd been out all night good um so they already knew me man they didn't like me so when they showed up it wasn't like hey what's going on it's hey motherfucker we're here you know what i mean so all set and done man they went in my house when when they when the girl's being taken away i tried to pick up all the pills i literally had so many bottles that i didn't you know i'm trying to put them all back in the right one i missed a bunch they go around the house they pick up all the pills they find in the cushions underneath the coffee table they bag them all up they weigh them now they charge me with trafficking for every pill they picked up and there

was four different traffikings and as this is all going on and i'm being you know know, told I'm going to jail for, you know, minimum mandatory trafficking charges. They're like, oh, that girl just died too in the ambulance. So I'm like, what? Does she really die? No. So they're playing me now because they think in their, they, you know, when cops show up to a crime scene, they do one of two things.

They form a story on what they think happened after, you know, they talk to everybody. And they go with that. That never changes because then they don't want to look stupid. So when they pulled up on my, you know, great day, they came out with a conclusion. We're going to say this dude's a fucking drug dealer. He was selling drugs. This girl came over to buy drugs. He probably, you know, fucked her and she OD, which was what they tried to say.

So anyways, they take her to the hospital. She is on life support. So when they said that, it was like a half-truth. She goes to the hospital. They book me into jail. And when I already get to the jail, there's already cameras there, like, following me into the jail. I wanted to ask me questions because they were at my house for like eight hours. So this all was like brewing for this like big case.

There's plenty of time for the media to jump on. Right, right. There's a death. There are other. Yeah. Yeah. So I go to jail. Pill mills are just starting to be a big deal.

Yeah. So this was like one of those cases like we're going to use this dumbass as an example. So she ends up living, you know, she, they, I'm charged with the trafficking. they dropped the trafficking down to sales and delivery. This was like I fought this case for like a year and a half because they were trying to say that I sold her drugs. She OD'd. She woke up from being on life support and said that I told her to leave

and she broke back in my house because she had nowhere to go. And I'm sure, you know, she was looking for shit. You know what I'm saying? So even if she just stumbled across it, it doesn't matter. You didn't sell it. Right, exactly. And that there were a lot of their case just dropped. thing they they couldn't really prove. So when she said she broke back in, they tried to arrest

her on burglary. So they were trying to like turn us against each other, right? So she ends up moving. Trying to get her into a position where she'll say whatever they want. Yeah. So she ended up moving. Never came to any of the any of the things the state wanted her to come to. So it was really like a dead case. But I still at the end of the day had pills like, you know, I was going to the doctor and they were prescribed, but I had more pills that, you know, that doctor I was going to wasn't. So I had to take the, the charges for the possessions and the sales charges. So I ended going to prison. I got 28 months. They first, like, offered five. Then they, you know how they do it. Yeah. Yeah. And so I went to prison, man, state of Florida. How was that?

It was rough, bro. It was rough. It wasn't, it wasn't. It wasn't like, Coleman Lowe. No. I don't know what that's like but I don't think it is man no like trust me well I mean every story I hear about state prison even in lower custody is just like horrible yeah so the first honestly the first time I went to prison it really wasn't bad at all and I think that's why I went back um when I went in there I was having a girl bring me pills to Vizzo I was selling them green dot money on the way home so as I'm getting out I have money but I'm stupid you know what I mean I was I just wanted to like be a drug dealer I didn't really have like any other aspirations in my life at that point. I didn't see it any other way until the Florida put in the

pill database in effect, which means you can't go to multiple doctors. You can't get a doctor shop. Yeah. So there goes the the income that I like planned on having. So I ended up getting arrested again for sales charges and a grand theft and possession charges. And I go back to prison now. except this time the first time I went to prison I was in Orlando which is a pretty sweet camp in the state system

the second time I went to golf which is in like the panhandle of Florida and that's really like when I got exposed to like real prison not you know like where you got to worry like you know there was times when I was there in the beginning I was like man I don't got to worry about

an inmate killing me I got to worry about a fucking guard like stomping me to death and confinement or wherever I'm at and that's really what's bad about Florida is the guards man like they literally I've done you know episodes on it on my channel um the the corruption is just crazy and then you put a bunch of fucked up inmates in there on top of that right it's like a recipe for disaster and so yeah I get to that camp right when I get there I get off the bus some fucking hillbilly redneck about four of them all fat all obese can barely talk two teeth

between the five of them say welcome to Wewha Hitchka, Florida, and we gon't hit you. And I'm looking at myself like, bro, where the fuck am I at, dude? Like, the prison looked like Shawshank Redemption. Right. Like, you know, one building of that.

The women look like men. They all fuck each other. They all live in a trailer park right outside the prison. And you're just like, I felt like I was in like, you know, boys to the hood and the hills have eyes like mixed. Like it was just, I was like, it was a culture shock. Not saying I wasn't in the street selling drugs and being around, you know, some gangster. Backwoods hillbilly.

Yeah, it's not like, it's just, it was, it was crazy, man. And then, you know, you have the inmates. And now, you know, you have to, you know, that camp I was at was a violent camp. I think it was like 70%. of it was child molesters, murderers, rapists, all the, you know, the great crimes. So, um, so I'm there. Um, and it was, it was like a shock, like I'm saying. So I get into a dorm. I'm adjusting. You know how it is when you get in there. You kind of like feeling everyone out. Right. So I get in this dorm and I'm in there and everything's going all right, man. It's a

shitty camp. We never go to wreck. We're in the dorm all day. And, um, like three weeks. This is still a camp. This is a camp. It's an annex. So they, in Florida, they have a main unit, an annex and a work camp. And yeah, in Florida, I think they just call them camps. There's not really like prisons. Yeah, there's no like penitentiary. I guess FSP would be one, but I don't know. It's, it's a serious prison. Like when I say camp, I don't mean like, you know, like picnic. I mean, like, I mean, like in a federal camp, most federal camps don't have, they don't even have fences. You know, if they do, it's a little tiny five yeah no there's gun towers here there's yeah well yeah okay so prison so yeah yeah yeah you say can't you say camp and i think oh it's a joke it's no big deal it's you know that's what a lot of

people i feel like when they hear that they yeah so i'm in this dorm three weeks and they move this this black guy into the dorm one day at like you know like noon or whatever he gets he gets brought in by three officers with all his shit you know in his backs right so they're you know they're at the officer station i'm laid back on my bunk and like right even when I saw this dude like I don't know for me man like I can pretty much tell especially in there like if by somebody's demeanor and how they are if I'm gonna like even give them the time of the day to talk and shit so I could tell he was a booty bandit and if you know people don't know what that is that is a guy that's in prison usually a guy that's been

down a while nowadays though it's a guy with a fucking year and a day and they literally walk the compound every day and they're looking for ass like you know yeah yeah they're chasing ass they're looking for uh punk to to fuck do something strange for some change yeah so i could tell this guy was a booty banning when he moved in and so when they were out the officer station they point to the bunk he walks over the three officers come he puts his shit in his box out on his on his uh near his bunk and when he puts all his shit in he like goes to do some those three officers go over they pick his bin up they dump all his shit out and they piss all on his shit in the middle of the dorm so this dude came into the dorm because he this i was at the annex

he was at the main unit he they transferred him to the annex because he got in a relationship with a female officer and she was related to all the other officers and she fell in love with him and he he's a booty bandit so he she don't got to worry about him finding girls he's fucking dudes right so that's what he wanted to do and so she got all upset about it she he wrote tallahassee on her and told them that they had a relationship because she wouldn't like leave him alone well now now her brother her cousin and all the other dudes that work there that are her family that's why they're pissing on his shit now because they found out that he did that to their you know sister so i already knew this guy was no good you know what i mean like it was just a bad

thing so and now now you know a couple days have gone by and now i find out he's not only a booty bandit he's also a gunner a mad gunner bro like a fucking sniper we just let's we just did a video we just did a video where me and this guy uh zach we're talking about that we were talking about gunners yeah gunner i was like there's a difference there's snipers and there's gunners that'll get right up on you yeah yeah anyway so i and i don't even really like talking about this stuff but you'd be surprised like if i talk you know like we were talking about this if if i set up here and talked about you know i don't want your 14 year old to go to prison and here's why and then i and now i'm going to tell you a story right now in our interview and more people are going to listen

to it and watch it and i don't know why but this is the story so the dude's a gunner all right he's and he's like fucking fanatical with it like he's at he's at the water fountain he's in the shower at one time every day with you know it's it's like a regimen they're on it's fucking nuts so um he's so i'm i'm watching you know you're in the dorm you know people are talking you're watching this fucking dude yeah so i'm like don't like this dude right so this is my luck and it's always like been like this for me like i always run into one dude in the dorm that i just can't stand and usually they take care of themselves and end up crashing out but so um they end up moving me into a quarter bunk and they move him to the fucking bunk next to me so like this

is what I was just saying so I knew right then like this is going to end bad one of us is getting beat up and we're going to go to confinement and it was winter and it sucks to be in confinement in winter in Florida so anyways so he's gunning he's doing his little fucking thing that he does and they go they call master roster one night so everybody goes of their bunk the woman officer comes out of the officer station she's like doing her rounds to the laundry the same one that she he was hooked up with oh yeah he no no no no a different one but he's already on this one like you know what i mean and anyone anyone can get it with this dude so she's doing her rounds and you know when they do that when they're done counting and then they do their walkthroughs they tell you to relax

where you can you don't have to sit up you can lay down in your bunk until they clear count so i lay down. I'm on a wall corner bunk. So I face the wall. I'm just laying there. And I like hear all this commotion like people saying shit or like you can just tell someone's going on. So I roll back over. I look and the dude that's sleeping on the bunk next to me is literally sprawled out on his bunk. The ladies in the back laundry room like doing something bent over and he's gunning her down on his bunk in the middle of the day room. And this is what I roll over to to look at right when I'm like, you know, waking up. So I was just like, bro, like I just lost it. You know what I mean? So like I didn't say anything. I just acted like I didn't see it. I put my shoes on and then we

just started going at it right there. So I forget how long we fought. It wasn't long because, you know, they don't last long in there. But I got the best of them and they came in. They sprayed us. They handcuffed us. They take us out of the dorm. They take him like to medical. I'm walking across the compound the wardens doing like checks or i don't know he was out there so he thinks like i'm a b and this was like you know something more than it was so i just told him like look the dude's a fucking predator and this is what happened and da da da da da so i end up going to confinement for that he's in confinement all the whole confinement wing is talking shit to him as we're doing our confinement time saying you let that white boy beat your ass da da da da da you soft you know how it yeah yeah now

you're yeah now you're a target it's almost putting a target on your back now. Yeah, now you sign me up for another confinement thing because now he's going to feel some type. So that's what happened. We got out of confinement. I just went right up to him like, look, bro, it's a dead issue. I'm not like, fuck what all they're saying. Like, is it good or are we good? Because like, I don't want to be on a prison with somebody I got to worry about. So we kind of just squashed it at that point. I know I didn't like him again. You know what I'm saying? So that was like my first experience. And I kind of knocked everything out at once i i got in a fight i fought a booty bandit which you never want to do a gunner and you know

just some piece of shit his name was dirt if that tells you anything about him man when you're named after dirt yeah yeah a few dirts yeah dirts doos we whee's pooky yeah um so what when was it when did you get released from that the last when i got released last was August 1st 2014 so I've been out, you know, quite a while. Right. So, I mean, you got out, but now you're, you've got a, what do you, you've got a job now, but you're also running the, the, um, doc TV 813 channel. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Um, yes. Which is funny because it first, when you first did it, it was just doc TV and then you added the 813 because there was, like, another doc TV, right? There was like 10 of them.

I was like, fuck. That's my luck though, man. You know, it could be raining pussies and I get hit in head with a damn. So how's it going? I mean, I see your stuff. That's how we got hooked up. You sent a comment to me saying, hey, I just started this channel.

If you want to be interviewed, you know, whatever. I forget what it was. Yeah, I saw you on Dateline like 10 years ago. Oh, and I was just like,

wow, this is a story. You know, I'm in Tampa. It was in Tampa. And it sounds like something I would do if I had the opportunity. So it was just crazy,

like how I saw you on YouTube. Well, you were all over at that point. But yeah, so I started this. channel um you know when i got out things weren't great you know struggled a little bit um and during that process of you know i mean i'm a personal trainer i got some certified in like four different things so i train people um privately online do shit like that and then do youtube and then i do some

other stuff too um but during the process of getting to that point you know i struggled there was you know different shit and life you know it's not easy um especially get now you're you get out. You're multiple felon. Just got out of prison. Being a felon is bad enough, but just got out of prison. That's an extra stigma. Got to find a place to live. Nobody wants to rent to you. You know, we've got to find a job. Nobody wants you to work there. You know what I'm saying? It's like there's all these things get out with virtually nothing. You know, what? How many years? The last, your last prison did? Well, the last one I did was only like 18 months. Okay. Well, 18 months still. Half your stuff's gone. Yeah. Stolen, sold them from everybody.

You know, stolen from all your buddies. all your buddies immediately come in and steal from you. Yeah. Like you're lucky if you have some clothes left. I mean, it's, it's hard, man. Yeah.

And then like you said the job thing, and that's really what drove me to the YouTube thing. So I used to work, you know, in commercial gyms, PT manager. Like, I was good at selling it.

Not so much. I didn't really like training. But, uh, so I, you know, would have people use my record against me. I had a dude that owned a gym.

Tell me, I said, dude, you owe me like fucking $1, $1, and he's like, no one's going to believe you, you're a felon. So like, what do you do?

So I did a video on that guy. Yeah, yeah. So I had them on a phone call record. Yeah, I did a video. I put it on my YouTube. And it was like kind of then I was just like, man, like I was always looking in my life or something I can do on my own. I don't need anybody to do it and, you know, create a revenue source from it, hopefully.

Well, and, and there's got, there are tons of guys, not tons, but there's quite a few guys that are making like good money doing prison just they went to prison for a year or two or six years or five years and they're they're they're just interviewing other guys and they're talking about prison and and they're they're doing great yeah and that's kind of like what made me want to start it you know what I mean is just to help maybe somebody that's struggling but there was a bunch of reasons honestly I wanted to work for myself um I you know I don't want to go back to prison I don't want anybody to go back if they don't have to and then you know man all the corruption that goes on in the system like you can literally do nothing and get a life sentence

it's like it's that simple like I was just thinking when they added up your pills like the the way the even though even the pill system in Florida the way they weigh it to they weigh the the the pills to determine what your man your your minimum mandatory is and it's like okay so you can have like an oxy 50 can weigh or an actually 12 whatever, an oxy, an oxy 80 can actually weigh less than like an oxy 20, even though it's got more milligrams because it's a different manufacturer. Right. So, and you get charged more for the 20 than you do the 80, even though this is the, this is

way more potent. Yeah. Like, it's just weight. And they do it. They do it like Vicodin is hydro hydrocodone and acetamine. And acetamethin they put together. Well, if you get an oxy 30, it's just oxycodone. But now you have a.

a pill that doesn't do shit to you and then you have a pill that can, but you're going to get more time for the Vicodin because it has all that acedomede and metafin. So when they weigh it, right, it's heavier. It's filler. So you're going to get more. It's just, man, it's just crazy. And yeah. And I, you know, want to expose it. And then I started making the YouTube and doing editing and all that. And that's kind of cool too. And then I'm learning that. So it's just been, it's a process, man. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, um, do you got anything else? Yeah. Go check out. Tell them what to expect on your channel. Yeah, yeah.

What is your channel? What do I do? Yeah, what do you do? What's it about? So on my YouTube channel, I bring people on that I've been in prison with, that I know that I've been to prison or, you know, random people to share their story. So, you know, they can get their voice out there and talk about the corruption and all the shit that goes on. And more importantly, just to see that somebody can be, you know, with nothing in life,

have no, you know, drive to do anything good. and then can turn their life around like you know look at you and me for examples right who would ever thought we'd be sitting here doing this but so and um i talk about my story on there which you guys heard a little bit of that today um and i cover crime stories um i do a bunch of different things so go check it out it's on uh youtube d oc tv 813 um and and smash that subscribe button yeah all right well this was uh this is was uh this is was job and check out his channel and I appreciate you guys watching and if you like the video subscribe share the video hit the like button hit the bell for the notification

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