Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Hilarious Bank Robber Exposes Fake Criminals | Beanshooter69
Episode Date: July 24, 2024Hilarious Bank Robber Exposes Fake Criminals | Beanshooter69 ...
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How do you even decide to rob a bank?
You need money.
It's a pretty simple decision.
So now I get it for $10,000.
I'm in the hotel.
God, Jesus.
The extortion scam.
This guy, it's a $45,000 book deal, and he's just a complete fraudulent.
I said, see that helicopter?
It's following me.
We go on the roof, kick out the men into the store, jump down, let me in the back.
And when they hand you the change, you'd cuff the $10 bill and say, you only gave me change for a tent.
Basically, a slight a hand scam.
Bro, you're a horrible human being.
Listen.
I was born in Lowell, Massachusetts, right outside of Boston.
My mother had primary custody, and it was good for a few years.
And then, you know, maybe in sixth grade, I started getting in trouble legally,
and I'd bounce back and forth between my parents.
And eventually she signed me over to the state.
Whoa.
How much trouble were you getting into?
What, what's the trouble?
What do you mean?
Basically, you know, breaking in cars, stealing bikes,
breaking in houses at a young age.
Right.
And that was the trouble I first started getting into and, you know,
drinking and drugs in a young.
age. When you say she signed you over, did you go into like foster care? Yeah, yeah, foster care. And I
wouldn't stay in a foster home, so I'd take off. And then I'd get locked up in D.YS. And I was
committed to the Department of Youth Services until I was 18. There was a detective from Lull of Jeff
Richardson. And I remember he arrested me once. And he said, I think I was stealing a bike.
And he said, you know, Mike, you're the other guy I arrest for Robin Banks, you know, 10 years from now.
And, you know, if you're out there, Detective Richardson, if you're still around, I just want to say
That was a lucky guess.
Yeah.
That was a lucky guess.
But I remember also he said to me, you know, when I get a call,
somebody stealing a bike, you know,
running out of a store with a candy bar and, you know,
a wiffle ball bat, you know,
and it says he's four foot and nothing and red hair and freckles,
you know, you're at the top of the list, you know.
Maybe you should think of a different career path, you know,
fucking being a criminal with red hair.
So, yeah, it was just a lot of typical stuff, you know,
juvenile stuff, you know,
And then get into stealing cars.
And when I was 14, 15, there was a kid in my neighborhood who taught me this move.
And like a Cumberland Farms, they'd have a drop safe, which has like a combination thing.
And then like this bar, you pull up and they put the money in it, it pushes it down.
Right.
Into the safe.
We wait towards the end of the week.
We go on the roof.
This one store, we got like three or four times.
And I'm 14, 15.
We go on the roof.
We'd open up the vent.
My friend would crawl down through the vent.
I used to have to give him some old dirty sweater because it's all lint in those vents.
He'd come out, kick out the vent into the store, jump down, let me in the back door.
And we're so little.
We used to take coat hangers.
Sometimes we use spatulas.
We put tape around it backwards and stick it down into the drop slot and, like, you know, dig the money up.
We've been in the store for like an hour.
You know, 14 years old.
I was at like some school dance carnival and, you know, we got wads of money, five, tens.
We're like, you know, buying.
we got arrested in about, you know, two days for that one.
But it was always, it was always, you know, something,
learning other things, whether it was drug trafficking,
whether it was doing the safes,
no matter what it was, I was willing to give it a try,
if I could make some money.
So at a young age, I got familiar with, we're losing my freedom for periods of time.
Right.
And then, so when you, eventually you're 18, like, what did you,
You got a regular job, and then now you're on the podcast here.
So let's go.
I've been an accountant for 35 years.
Yeah.
So at age, I remember, you know, getting chased around by detectives when I was young.
And I had actually escaped from a DYS facility when I was 17.
And I stole a car and I was driving down this one-way street and I was drunk.
And there was a police car on the,
middle of street facing me. And I actually went to slam on the brakes and I took my foot off the
gas and just when I put my foot down, I hit the gas pedal again. So it's just like, you know,
it was coast and then I took off and I hit the police car head on. And that was my first adult
arrest at age 17. And that kind of wiped out my juvenile papers because now I'm in adult court
and I get out on bail. And two weeks later, I broke in a car and two guys caught me in the car.
And when I get out, I went like I was going to run and I spun around and I hit one of them.
heavy pair of plies in my hand and I heard them pretty bad and and I got arrested for that
and then they uh they locked me up in the adult system was that charge like was that did that
you know make it like a um carjacking or was it just burglary no just burglary was breaking that
drink and then assault and battery with um dangerous weapon pliers actually well how much time do you
get for that six months but it was it was good in a way I mean going to adult jail wasn't bad
because it wiped out all my D.Y.S. paperwork, but at the time, I didn't realize, you know, now I have an adult record. I'm only seven. I was the youngest inmate in the jail at the time.
And, you know, when I first went in there, you know, it's like, you know, you look back when you see yourself when you're 17.
You know, I probably look like I was 12 now. Right. You know, and I remember one day I was, I was in, I was in state prison that were taking me to court.
And I was in the holding cell
And I'm just standing there by the bars
And I see the juvenile kids come in
And I see the transpo guy
Put his hand under the kid's armpits
And sit him up on a table like this
To put the shackles on
And I remember them doing that to me
You know, I remember looking at this kid
And he looked like he was 10
Right
And I'm like, wow, that was me
That was me as a little kid
And at the time like
I'm 1415
I box a little
I'm fighting in the silver mittens
I'm running around
The time you think you're like
A tough guy or a man
You know you think you're
But in all reality, you know, you're just a child.
Right.
You know, and when I saw him putting the chains on a little kid, I'm like, wow, you know, here we on.
I'm still going through it.
It's, you know, it was just one of those moments.
Like, what the fuck is this going to be it?
The rest of my life, just in and out of this system.
You know, you know how it is.
It's not.
It was just saying it for a long time it was.
Like, that didn't snap you in anything, though.
That didn't snap you out of it and say, hey, I'm going to go get a regular job.
No, I've never, I never had a regular job.
I never had a regular job.
So after my first incarceration, when I was 17 years old,
and I got out when I was 18,
and the crack thing was just, like, you know, really, really taken off.
And at first, I used to get out in New York City.
You mean, the crack pain epidemic.
He says it's taken off, like, it was gangbusters.
Like, it was nice, right?
You might think they refer to it as the epidemic?
Yeah, that whole thing.
So it was very profitable.
at the time. And, you know, the money was just, the money was rolling in. And I had a close friend of
mine who was selling a lot of marijuana at the time. Greg Smith. Shout out, Greg, he'll be like,
oh, nice. Greg, you still owe me $5,000. We'll talk about that in a minute. So,
CPA, he's put all this behind him. So Greg, actually, his father moved out to San Diego, and he lived in
San Diego. So he went down there and, you know, being a young entrepreneur like myself that
he was, he realized a marijuana down there. And back then it was just that Mexican brick weed
or like a sense, like around October, November, the real good would come out. But there was such
trash then. The kids today would never, you know, if anyone knows about the Mexican brickweed, but
he'd get that down there for whatever it was, you know, 400 a pound, sell it for 1,200
back here, and he'd come back, and he started UPSing it back.
We were making a lot of money, and I'd grab, you know, 20 pounds off him,
and I ended up meeting one of his connects at the time Mexican National would come down,
and I'd meet him, and we go out, and then one night he was asking me how much I pay for a
kilo, and, you know, he can get it to me cheaper.
So I started talking, but I didn't, I was like, I don't want to step on Greg's toes at
the time and then Greg got arrested one time and he got locked up and and this guy called me up.
He's like, hey, you know, I'm, I'm in town and Greg, Greg got locked up. I got 20 of these.
Can you, can you help me get rid of them? And I'm like, well, it's kind of a lot. Like I'm selling
maybe, you know, a half a key, you know, a week, you know, 20. I go, it's going to take me a long
time. And he's like, no, no, I got the green. I got the green. So I'm like, oh, yeah,
I can sell 20 pounds in a second. Right. So I went and met him and he was just sitting on a wall and
like a bad neighborhood and Lowell with a trash bag next.
So I'm like, no clue where he was.
And I'm just laughing.
I pull up and I throw him in my car.
And I started dealing with him.
But I worried about UPS and, you know, kilos across, you know, through the mail.
I was always worried.
But when I get on to San Diego, I'd go back with the money, meet him in L.A.
San Diego, and they'd wrap it up.
And UPS it back.
And I'd take a train back with the money all the way to California.
So it was, it started being a lot of money to, and you don't want to box that up and
send it across the country, you know, anything could happen. So I started traveling back and forth
a lot back to California and back to my area. And I looked back and I said, you know, that's when all
the heat come on me. You know, I was doing so good selling all this and, you know, just making a ton of
money. But when you start UPS and stuff and, and I mean one time I went in a bar and my father was
bartender and he goes, you come in this bar and everyone knows you don't work. You're driving a brand new
Lincoln Continental, you come in, you know, you throw 200 bucks on the bar and set up the whole
bar. He's like, there's six cops in here drinking. Right. He goes, you know, they hate you. You know,
he's like, you're an idiot, you know. And I remember he said, what are you going to do when this,
you know, a little fairy tale comes to an end? And I said, go to prison. What the fuck you think?
I'm going to do this. The same thing that happens every time. And I, I did that for a while,
you know, a few years. And eventually somebody got arrested signing for a package.
You know, we'd, at the time when you'd mail an overnight year package, UPS or FedEx from California, you know, we'd go into like a public library and go in the tracking system and see it.
And you could see, I forget it's been so long, but one of them was like Louisville, Kentucky.
Maybe that was FedEx's main port.
And I think UPS's was like Nashville, Tennessee, was like, if you sent the package, even if you sent the package over an idea from here to the guy across the street, it would go to, you know, like Knoxville, Tennessee to the main.
And then it would get shipped out from there.
So I'd always, you know, go online and look and you could see it scanned, scanned, scanned.
And you'd see, like, after Tennessee, unavailable, then a couple days later, they're at your door.
Yeah.
You know, you know, hello, trying to deliver it.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah.
What?
I didn't order that.
Not me.
What's that?
Who?
We'd use fake address and everything else.
But I thought I was, you know, I knew.
Like, I'd know if a package went bad.
And, you know, but a lot of times they'd get it right away.
Like if somebody in the UPS store in California said, hey, something's wrong, you know, with this, these guys walking in looking like a set out of the movie colors, sending a box overnight here to Boston.
So eventually somebody I know got caught, you know, accepting a package and signing for it.
And they, they wore a wire on me.
No.
Can you believe that?
That's not.
No.
No, I'm serious.
Say it's not so.
Oh, it happened.
It happened.
What about the code?
Yeah, he didn't live by said code.
So he wore a wire on me, and I ended up, I remember a couple of houses, right before a couple houses I had got raided.
I didn't own just like an apartment this and that.
A couple days before, I just, I sensed them something was wrong.
And I picked up two of my friends, both no longer with us.
And my other friend, Greg Smith, who I mentioned from San Diego, was at a bar drinking.
And I picked up these two friends of mine, and I had like a white I rock Z-28 with the T-tops.
And I could see a helicopter up in the sky.
And I said, see that helicopter?
I said, it's following me.
Did you really think it was following me?
You were joking?
No, I just kind of looked around.
But I saw it.
I started a couple times that day.
So now I'm driving.
I'm driving.
And I tell people, it's not like Goodfellows, where it's like 20 feet over your head, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, following you.
I mean, it's up there.
Yeah.
So I'm driving, I'm driving.
And they're looking.
Now, you know, smoking a ball, a helicopter's been around, you know, for last hour.
So now I go along, there's like a highway next to a river, and I'm driving, and you can just see it, you know, up to the right, you know.
So I take this left, it's a street, bridge street, that goes all the way in New Hampshire.
So when I take the left, like, now it's, it's like, you know, still to the right of me.
And it's high up, and I'm like, wait a minute, this isn't good.
So I get about, so I get about two, three miles up the road, and there's like an apartment complex on the left.
And I pull behind it, and I pull real tight to the building.
So, like, we couldn't see the helicopter.
And then, boom.
Then I said, oh, man, they are really following me.
So I go to the bar and my friend's in there, and I don't know it,
but there's DEA and Mass State Police Drug Task Force agents in this bar drinking,
watching my friend, who was my co-defendant, who was about to be my co-defendant.
And I said, hey, man, bad news, dude.
Why, I goes, it's a helicopter following me.
He was, get the fuck out of here.
I go, I'm telling he's like, yeah.
Hi, what are you doing?
You know, he thought I was just, you know, bugged out being paranoid.
So I said, here, I had a Notre Dame jacket and a baseball hat.
I said, put this on and take my car for a ride.
So he goes, and I'm sitting there at the bar, half a hall later, he comes back in.
He goes, I don't know what you did, man.
You're fucked.
I go, what did you do?
He goes, I took him to the rotary.
You know what a rotary is?
You guys call it like a roundabout.
Massachusetts, they call it a rotary.
Right, okay.
We call a rotor.
He goes, I took him to the rotary at Trump Hill, and I just drove around the rotary for 15 minutes.
So now they know.
Yeah.
They know we know.
Yeah.
Right.
And they're just staying there watching.
Yeah.
And they're just like, all right.
You know what I mean?
So, you know, basically let them know.
Like, we know.
You're following me.
And then I'm getting real paranoid.
I walk out of this bar and they actually tore this bar on now.
There's like a bowling alley on the other end of the park lot.
And there's like a Ford F-250 with two guys in it with sunglasses just facing the door of this bar.
So now I come out, I give them the finger.
And they're looking right at me.
And I'm just like, if that's like me or you, you're going to come over and you're going to say,
hey, buddy.
Yeah.
It's your problem.
And they're just sitting there staring at me.
I'm like, oh, man.
I was really hoping to get into a fight right now.
Yeah, this is not good right now.
So a couple days later, you know, they raided a house,
and I didn't know what they were raiding house was looking for me,
and they raided my kid's mother at the time.
And she called me, and my son was at my aunt's house.
Oh, and I mentioned earlier when the pharmacies,
the bank robbers, they were questioning her.
we were talking about in the kitchen.
I went over her house
because she was babysitting my son
and she has like a hairdressing salon
in the house downstairs
and my ex calls me up
and she goes,
oh, you know, Ryan's thinking
needs some children's tile and all
and it was a ruse.
Yeah.
You know, they were probably 13
and were probably in the kitchen
saying, hey, call him.
Yeah.
Tell them to go somewhere.
So I go over my aunt's house
and I walk in,
he's watching TV
and all of a sudden I just hear
like, boom, blah, blah, boom,
like 12 car doors shutting.
I'm like, uh-oh.
And I walked outside.
and they just, you know, bundled me.
Guns out, guns to the head, slam me down on the ground.
Where's the weapon?
You know, they just used that so they can bounce your head off the pavement.
And I remember they cuffed me and they, two of them, two big, like, Stadies, put their arm in there and pick me up.
And the State Police got pulled up, poof.
And they ran with me.
My feet were like dragging.
These guys are big.
I remember looking and there was like a guy from like the electric company, like reading the meter, like punching in the thing like this.
And he's kind of like in the middle of this whole scene.
And then boom, we get in.
It was just a caravan of coffee.
Gone, you know.
And I remember driving away thinking, wow, that guy just said.
He got something to talk about dinner at dinner tonight, you know.
I just watched something to get kidnapped.
Yeah.
Gone.
And I remember I was driving to the police station.
And I've been known to get a little multi.
We're not with authority figure sometimes.
And I says, I go, you got nothing.
And he said, oh, really?
I said, yeah, you got nothing.
And I knew they raided my father's.
I knew what houses they were hitting.
And he said, how's 18 Oriole Drive sound?
And then he said another address.
How's 309 Lillia sound?
And these were addresses I used to send a lot of packages.
Right.
So I'm like, now, no.
Crickets.
Not so cocky.
Yeah, crickets now.
He's like, yeah, you don't get a lot to say now, do you?
I want to talk to tenacious daily.
Yeah, so I, so I says, what was I saying?
I said, how'd you know I was at my aunt's house?
And he said, good old-fashioned police work.
And I said, she ratted me out.
Good old fellow, he's a gumshoe.
You know what I mean?
You go, fuck you, you know what I mean?
Who told you how I was here?
Now I knew I'm putting it all together.
I'm like, that bitch, you know, and I'll never forget.
I'd even know what it meant at the time, he says, but I'll tell you this.
You detected aerial surveillance within the first 10 minutes.
and he said, you can take some solace in that fact.
And I'm like, solace, what the fuck's that mean?
You know what I mean?
It's not a word we throw around too often in the neighborhood.
So they wrap me up for that.
And I got arrested.
It was the feds, state, and local.
I had 13 co-defendants basically all cooperated against me.
No.
Listen, once again, stop it.
Listen, I can get paperwork to prove this.
It happens.
I have never.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
So they take me out of the holding cell,
and they still hadn't arrested a co-defendant of mine, his name.
We called him Bobby the Brain.
And he still haven't gotten Bobby the Brain.
And then he says, everybody's falling all over themselves, pointing the finger at you.
And he said, whiz, and he said two Mexicans named, I know.
And one of them, Lewis just caught a case.
And he was in San Diego County jail for like two days.
He was just bailing out.
They were asking me where he was.
I'm like, wow, they didn't know where the fuck he is.
is and right at that time you know during the pages I get a page and the other one would go to this hotel in
Boston the 57 and it's no longer there Howard Johnson 57 downtown and he just texts me the room
number and I go there you know with the money and everything and the page is going off and I'm like I don't
know what you're talking about and they you know you should really help yourself right now because
everyone's pointing the finger at you I says you know I said I'm all set and uh you know I went back to
my cell and they charged me trafficking over 100 pounds and conspiracy to traffic.
Back to my.
Back home.
I would have finished that with, went back to myself and cried like a small child.
So, yeah, and the worst thing was, is it was, they took us all to court.
It was on a Friday, and it was a long weekend.
We get to court and the lawyer comes down.
He goes, hey, listen to you guys, I go, what do you mean?
He goes, well, courthouse closes at 4 o'clock.
It's 3.30.
They just took you all here.
They said they forgot your paperwork at the police station.
All right.
He's like,
judges going home.
I'm like,
get the fuck.
He's like,
oh,
don't worry.
You know,
it's only a case.
They're going to,
they'll set a little bail.
You can bail out from the police station.
So there's 13 of us.
It's still looking for once.
There's like 12 of us.
And they come in.
And they says,
um,
you know,
listen up.
And they're seeing the bails.
And they're like,
you know,
50 bucks,
50 bucks,
50 bucks,
and they get to me at the end.
And Greg,
and like,
50,000 cash.
And I was like, oh, just deflated, you know?
Like, I'm hit with this one.
And that was trafficking over 100 pounds, conspiracy to traffic and all that, all that jazz.
So I did a bit on that one.
And then how much time?
Three years.
Was the same lawyer?
Did you have the same day late?
No, I had a shit lawyer.
Shit lawyer.
Stanley Norkoon is you're a bum.
You are a bum.
Guy wouldn't even return my calls, you know?
And then, yeah, he wouldn't even send me the paperwork.
I found out, you know, so much shit with that case.
Everyone just hung me out to dry.
But the good thing was I actually got on on bail after I had to do like, I owed six months to county.
And after I did the six months, I got a bail.
And I got out on bail.
And I started dealing with my connection again, getting some, I got some coke.
get some and I and I and now here's where the the drugs started I am that what was that
that wasn't drugs no using drugs oh okay I was gonna say my father's like you finally get
caught up in your own web so I start because I'm you know now I'm on a bail I know going
your dad sounds like a character yeah yeah yeah finally get caught up in your own web so I
started around you know sniffing a little dope here and there and you know I was I had a lot going on
at the time, you know, knowing I was going away, and now, you know, these guys would send me
whatever I want, you know, they're in Tijuana, and they start sending me stuff, and now I'm squandering
the money, you know.
I'm coming up short, covered up short.
Finally, I just have them send me 50 pounds, and I just mush them, you know.
So I went on a, you know, a legendary run there before I had to go away.
and after I spent all that money and then I yeah I did a lot I burned some people that were buying
I just you know I was on a I was on a crashing crash and towards the end I am I mean I always lived
good you know and now I'm like strung out on junk I'm driving like some stolen car and I'm like
running out of Walmart with a with a god at the time
At the time, they, what was it, the, uh, what was it, PlayStation's right now? Maybe so, Xbox or Sony, so, uh, Genesis, Sega, Genesis, maybe. So I'm good, the Walmart's first out of coming around and I'm going in Walmart with a carriage and I just load up the carriage with, you know, laptops and computers and whatever, like, it was around Christmas and that was a big thing then. It was, I think it was Nintendo 64.
64. You never hear of that? Probably, uh, that was probably, uh, that was probably, what, like the 90s? Yes, I'm going to say 95.
95. Yeah. I'm going to say 94, 95.
if my memory serves me correctly.
And, yeah, I remember I'm strung out.
I got these Mexicans going around looking for me, you know,
because I owe them a lot of money and other people.
And I'm out, and I'm like, this is really bad at this stage of the game, you know.
And I ended up copping out of, like, three years on that one.
And when I got out, back to business.
first order of business
start making some money
so I did something with a couple
of friends of mine my friend Spiro I mentioned
earlier
and I started
doing the way again with him
he had a connection in
California so he's like I'll cut you're in
those three of us we put out money in three ways
we get a package I start making money again
and now I start
you know I thought I thought the drugs
before I went away because I was never
I always sold drugs.
I wasn't like a junkie, you know what I mean?
So I'm like, that was just an aberration.
You know, I was going to prison.
I didn't care.
And I was doing this and that.
You know, that'll never happen again.
And my friend Spiro, he's the one who owns all the real estate I mentioned earlier.
He's always been my friend who called me up on shit.
Right.
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
You know, that I was high.
Like, what are you on?
What are you doing?
You nod, no, you know, I smoked a joint.
I'm tired, you know, and he's so, he did a couple of things without me.
We had a van we'd use to get the packages,
and sometimes we'd break up the drugs in the back.
And I get my van.
I went away to California to bring some money.
And there's like this pink popcorn in the back of the van that you stuff the packages
went, and we'd never use the pink popcorn.
So now I grab my other friend.
I go, what the what do you guys do?
You guys doing boxes without me?
He's like, yeah, you know, Spiro's worried about you.
You're slipping.
You know, you know, he's, he's sharp as.
they come. You start, you know, you're a liability when you're doing drugs. It's like if you
were committing crimes at someone and they were whacked down and like, hey, no, this guy's going to
sink our whole ship. So he started like, so I said to him, no, I'm good, I'm good. And we did
a couple more things. And I went back to California to do something. And I come back and they had
gotten wrapped up by the feds. So I'm like, oh, he's like, we got busted when you were away.
And no way, he's like, dude, they got photos of you carrying boxes away from the truck, this and
that and I thought I never got indicted by the feds and they got indicted and they they did prison time
and I remember his lawyer seeing me outside the courthouse if they got sentenced he goes you better
be careful I'm like what I didn't get indicted he goes too the fed's going to indict you three years later
you know it doesn't matter and I'm like what and I think at the time I was spiraling out of control again
back on the drugs and they're probably like yeah this guy he had no money you know the feds got
the money yeah this kid paid a $250,000 fine you know this and that and I look back
I think maybe they just saw me and I was already jumped out.
Yeah, this guy's going to be robbing 7-Eleven in a week with a squirt gun.
You know, and I never got wrapped up on that.
But now I can't deal with them again.
I'm starting to get a habit and I'm selling drugs.
And I took a plane down to San Diego and I looked up my old Mexican's mother's house,
the ones who lived in Tijuana, who I burned.
I was going to say, the ones you burned?
Yes, yes.
The ones I burned for the 50 pounds.
And we showed it up and said, where have you guys been?
I've been trying to pay you this money.
7-2-2, a squalor street in San Diego,
knocked on the door.
Mother come out.
You know, where are these guys?
There was Robin Lewis, Carlos.
And she's like, Carlos is around.
He's at the bakery.
You know, Robin Lewis, they get deported there in Mexico.
And so I called up Carlos, and he was, like, you know, pretty surprised to hear from me.
Right.
And he said, I'll meet you tonight at Sayals restaurant, you know, be there at 5 o'clock,
whatever it was.
and junior sale.
I'm a junior sale.
He was a football player.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, he had a restaurant, and I went to sales restaurant.
They're like, what's up?
And I'm like, you know, I need some work.
I'm things are slow.
I'm back.
You know, I know I owe you money.
I went and did three years.
I stood up.
You know, I know I burned you, but.
I could have, yeah, I could have thrown you under the bus.
Yeah.
Could have thrown you under the bus.
So he's with this other one.
He's kind of a big one, all tattoos, and he's just staring at me.
And they're not saying much.
And I'm doing most of the talk.
And when he's like, all right, you know, pay the bill, we left, take a ride, and we get on the highway.
I think it's the five, whatever.
And I'm like, if this motherfucker tries to drive in a Tijuana, I mean, I'm kicking out this back windshield.
I'm causing a scene.
You're not.
Because they take you Tijuana.
They'll kill you.
Yeah.
There's nobody even looking into it.
Yeah.
It's Troy on the side of the road.
Right.
There's no big, there's no, what do they call this crime scene people with the DNA?
Yeah.
Forensics.
Yeah, I got it.
The Mexican forensic crew got to track you down.
Yeah.
There's no forensic.
So I'm driving now.
I'm getting nervous because they're not saying much.
I owe them.
He pulls off the highway.
He pulls into this park.
You know, like the big parks where they have like the old ones where they have the stone house in the middle with the pool.
We can go in the shower, the old bathrooms.
Like, you know, and he starts, he goes, come on.
He starts walking.
And we walk in this building.
And there's nobody around.
And I am, I'm really freaking out now.
You know what I mean?
How did you think this was going to go?
Yeah.
Did you think this far in advance that?
How is this going to lay out?
Could this go bad?
And how would it go bad if it was a real roll of the dice?
For context, how much money was like, did you, you know, quote unquote steal from them?
Like, was it 50, you said it was 50?
Yeah, like 50 grand at the time.
Okay.
Yeah, it wasn't a ton, you know, maybe a little less.
I think, like 35 or whatever it was at the time.
I know.
But now there's interest in penalty involved.
Yeah, I think I owed them close to 50.
Yeah.
Late fees.
Thing on the late fees.
Those Mexicans.
Arias
I started talking about Arias
So they take me into this
This thing
And there's nobody around
They walk in the bathroom
And he says man
I'm gonna give it to you straight up
Homie
You haven't been around here a long time
Then you come around here
Talking about business
And now I'm like
Oh my God
They think I'm wearing a wire
I go fuck oh you
I've been doing this for the last three years
I should make a job
I'm like no no no
Okay okay
Then they tap me up
And we're all good
And then they started sending me work again.
So I went back into the drug game with them once again until I, you know, until I screwed that one up again.
When I get back into the drugs, burn them again, which I never repaid.
Oh, my God.
But I actually just, I burned Carlos and him and Robert don't talk.
And I actually just went and visited Robert and Tijuana.
I was at his house for two days
and he's trying to come back
and I'm like
Can he just walk across now?
That's what I say to him and he's been trying
to do it the right way.
It's been like 10 years
and they keep saying another year
and another year and it was so tough
for him because his son was going to high school
in San Diego. I'm going there and Tijuana
crossing the border is a pain
and I just probably been like two or three years
so I can visit him. I'm in his house
I'm like, is this a safe neighborhood in Tijuana?
He goes, no, guy got
in front of the other.
the house last night. I'm like, all right. And me, I'm putting all this on Snapchat. My friend's like,
dude, don't go there. He's telling me his yard, it's a little apartment, but his yard's all fenced
in, like dog, this and that. I go, what the fuck's going on with this? He goes, my neighbor,
and I'm like, that was you, you motherfucker. And he's just laughing. His neighbor, a lot of people,
a lot of these Mexicans will live in Tijuana, drive across the border every day, like do auto body
in San Diego and get $25 an hour where you'd get,
you know three bucks an hour in
Mexico right and then they
drive back across the border at night because
you know the apartments are meant that everything's cheaper
so every day they cross the border
so what are these guys
do they'll tape
a kilo under the car
some poor unsuspecting prick like yourself
some working stiff driving across the border
they follow you right you don't know
you got it you go to you know you pocket burger king
they slide up next to you one of them rolls under the car
rips it out
so you're this unsuspecting mule and he goes that's why the yard's all fenced in with the dogs
he's like somebody was uh i goes that somebody was you all right he's just laughing but uh yeah so
he's still there trying to trying to get back across and we yeah we uh we remain friends
i actually made good a little bit on it i did i did some favors for him since then
that's what do you mean officer there's a kilo tape underneath by
Yeah, and you know what?
They didn't charge him, this guy.
When they caught his neighbor, they let him go.
They must have knew, you know what I mean, that he was a,
they probably saw the travel logs.
This guy's going, I don't know.
I don't know what it was, but he was lucky.
He was lucky.
They didn't, they didn't lock him up.
I don't know what the fuck happened with that.
You know, they'll take, I know guys that were,
they'd own like, you know, an auto body shop.
They own a, where they buy cars and shit, like a dealership,
and they'll go bid on a car.
car, and then they'll take the gas tank, they'll stuff it.
Oh, yeah, I know.
I have the old Cadillacs with the gas tank in the middle of the seed,
stuffed it to send to me on a flat bed.
But then they'll put it on a car hauler.
You know what I'm saying?
That's right, yeah.
And so the guy, the truck driver, who's hauling 12 cars has no clue.
I got a great story about this.
Okay.
Go ahead.
So when I get out one of those times, they...
But you said you can't arrest the guy driving that truck.
Like, he doesn't have a clue that one of those cars is packed with 400 kilos of
Yeah, the catalogs we used to use.
But one of the times I got out, they called me up.
They says, hey, we're going to get a cell phone.
Give me the phone number.
Don't give this number to anybody when I get the phone from.
Don't give this number to anybody.
You're going to get a phone call.
That's all they say.
I got arrested for something.
Believe it or not.
I happen to be in court.
And my cell phone starts ringing.
In court?
Yeah, so I jump up.
You know, now you can't bring cell phones.
caught off, most of them. This is, you know, I jump up, I run outside, you know, the old flip
cell phone answer. I go, hello. And I hear this lady. She says, hello, Mr. Rodriguez.
And I remember calling them up afterwards, like, do I look like Mr. Rodriguez?
There's no, there's no circumstance where I could have ended up with the last name, Rodriguez.
So I said, yeah, and she says, yeah, I'm hauling your car back from California, your friends,
they tried everything to get a fix. They thought it was a transmission. And, and, and they
They don't tell me, and they just say, you're going to get a phone call, you'll know what to do.
So she says, well, I was in Indiana, and, you know, I blew an axle or my truck, so it's going to be delayed, you know, another day.
And I'm like, oh, this lady gets, no, now, you know, something ain't right, right.
I smell a rat.
I'm like, oh, no, no, no.
So I'm just like, okay, okay.
So a couple days later, she calls me.
She goes, I'm about an hour out.
And I says, you're going to take this exit off the Little Connect, you're going to see an outback steakhouse.
right across just pulling the park lot right where you come in i'm i'm across from the outback
and there's actually the feds are in this building it's this big giant building there's all kinds of
stuff in there right so i i call up this tow yard company right and i says hey listen i'm gonna i'm getting
a car here delivering in california i need you to pick it up and deliver it to this house for me
and this and they said sure what time so i got them i send my friend o to meet them i get this
reka sitting there in the park a lot i'm in the alpac in the window shaking like a leaf drinking
You know, those mugs that are like 12 feet tall, like the frosted mugs, I'm chugging it.
And all of a sudden I get a call, Mr. Rodriguez, you know, I'm on the low-ail connector.
I'm like, yep, just pull off.
You'll see a truck there, a flop-bed, just pull up next to them.
I got my friend over there with the money, and I'm just sitting there.
I'm watching, and she unloads it, and the other truck loads it up with the fake gas tank in the middle of the back seat.
We're ripping that open him is all a fake bondo.
And it just come off the truck, and they loaded on the other one, and he paid her, and she drove away.
we drove i would have sworn you know i was just sitting there waiting i'm like these guys any these
these poor bastards in the tow truck you know a tow truck drivers i've had beeps with over the years
so i don't think i would have lost you know i wouldn't have i wouldn't care too much if they
hauled the both of them off but yeah and it came out it came out all right and we we uh oh i thought
i mean i was not you were going to no no no i thought they were going to say went off and out a hitch
i was going to say i had the tow truck then the tow truck went and pulled up and dropped off
the vehicle left it in the police parking lot.
Yeah, it would have been a smooth transition.
So, yeah, I did that for a while, you know, always put the drugs now, you know,
the drug, when it's entered the chat.
All right.
You know, everything seemed to, to end bad, you know, with me doing drugs, hence why I'm,
why I'm sober now.
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email me directly. Email is in the description box. So back to the video. After the
traffic and I ended up becoming cellmates with an old friend of mine, Kevin Capasso,
was no longer with us. He was a credit card fraudster. And that was good. That was a real good hustle.
The credit cards.
What we do with the credit cards was we fly around to different states.
You know, we couldn't do it around.
What year was this?
When was this roughly?
Early 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003.
We'd fly to different states and we'd be in good shape.
And, you know, everything was different then.
You could go in a gym and just say, I want a gym pass for the day.
What's your name, you know?
Brian Harris.
I'm from Pennsylvania.
I'm in town on business and I'm thinking about moving here.
and I want to try out the gym.
Now they're taking pictures and they want your ID.
But back then, you didn't need any of that.
And we'd go in the gym and we used to call it, Kevin used to call it the Big Mac.
You know, you'd see a guy come in with a big fat wallet in the back of his pocket.
And we'd target somebody like someone like that.
We'd follow someone coming.
Maybe somebody like you, right?
You pull up in a push or whatever and, you know, you walk in.
And we used to like, you know, the padlock locks with the loop on it.
Yeah.
We have a way we can all.
them and lock them again.
Right.
And what we do is we'd stick a screwdriver through, like at an angle, through the loop,
and you just pull down, put a lot of tension on it, boom, it unlocks.
So we'd bring in a block of wood in a gym bag and put it behind the lock because you'd
gouge up the locker, you'd come back to your locker and it would look like.
Yeah, yeah.
So we had this whole thing, the lawn craftsman screwdriver, the block of wood in the gym bag,
and we'd do it, boom, we'd open it up, we'd get your wallet, we'd open up.
Oh, Black Amex, whoo, close the wall.
wallet, lock the lockup, gone.
So you don't know for two, three days.
So you got a call and say, back then it was Sony Vio laptops.
Did you just buy 10 Sony Vio laptops for 3,500 a piece?
Yeah.
Doesn't look suspicious at all.
And back then also, they had the old credit card thing with the paper.
And it was, you know, some of these stores, too.
I remember I think we were in Arizona.
It was like a best buyer, Walmart set up.
And there was lines of people
And there'd be people
They must have got like a percentage
They'd be like waving for you
Do you go through their checkout late
Like almost like a little ping pong thing
So it was crazy
And I'm like these people ain't checking IDs
You know what I mean
They're just ringing these things up
So we'd go from place to place to place
I mean I've been to Idaho
I mean everywhere
We go to every state and just
We'd hit them hard
Then we'd tape up the boxes
And fly back to Boston
And one guy would buy
everything you know and that was like it was it was just fun you know you're working out you're on a
vacation you're right you know you're doing doing all this then you come back and selling all the
shit after that for a while like everything everything started circling back to drugs you know
right started using drugs and everything everything unravels sooner or later you know like that
one of them ones we were in like iowa when we come back and we're waiting to sell everything and he
goes down the street and he goes back like 200 bucks for the chinese food in a case of beer and I'm
I'm like, we're out of money.
Where'd you get the money for that?
He goes, oh, I still had a card in my pocket, you know, from, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's
great.
You're going to see $10,000 in purchases in Idaho and then $200 worth of Chinese food in Boston.
You know, they're going to start looking at these cameras in these places, and I started
getting paranoid.
And that was that as far as the credit card thing.
I ended up getting locked up with one, and that was another one.
I remember getting out of state prison in the, I think.
into 99, 2000, and they, I got a job in there making license plates.
And, you know, we used to make the, that's so cliche.
I know that's, yeah, I, made a lot of those.
I dated a stripper that was actually working her way through college.
And people, if you tell them that, they look at you, like, I'm like, no, she really, I promise who she was.
The mon's venous.
So I made a lot of, a lot of license plates.
What was I going with those?
So when I got out of prison, I remember I was talking to this girl on the phone and she came and picked me up and I went to this bank in downtown Walpole, Massachusetts and I, you know, I had the check and it was like the first check.
It was. It was like it was the first check I ever cashed from, you know, a job.
Right.
You know, like tax is taken out and, you know, like, and I remember all the girls in the bank are like looking at it and they're looking over at me and one of them gives me a thumbs up.
I was with some girl.
Might have been a stripper too.
you know so my cousin's on me up but her so yeah it was like um that was like the only job real job
i've had was making license plates at you know at that time you know so what happened after that
if you if that didn't laugh like what we're what you start doing uh what i always did when i was
when i was 17 when i got out of um adult jail when i was a kid we used to i mean i'm really
dating myself here but we used to go in the bars and shine shoes and
and sell packs of $0.25 cents a piece, my whole life,
even later on where I got involved in drugs really bad,
I always had that gene like you, you're a hustler.
You know what I mean?
You're always out trying to make a buck
whether it's social media or mortgage fraud or whatever it is, right?
The end game, the end goal was always making money.
And from as long as I can remember,
I was selling joints, going in the bars,
and just always, always hustling.
And so I started selling as a kid,
And then mescaline and acid, and I was always selling drugs.
And then when I was 17, I really get into selling drugs and I just made a lot of money with that.
So I could always, when I get out of prison, I could always revert back to selling drugs.
You know, it doesn't, you know, they sell themselves, basically.
So that's what I always did.
I always get out.
I tried to start selling some drugs and making some money and put it into something else.
saw, you know, we did credit card fraud, we sold drugs, and later on robbing banks,
and I really needed money.
Well, what was the bank robbery?
What was, how did that, when was that?
Now, the last arrest for bank robbery was in 2001, 2002.
What was the first bank robbery?
No, around that time, you know, mid to late 90s.
When I started really getting in the drugs, it wasn't like, you know, the town where I'm going in,
you know with the machine gun and the bottle of bleach it's a great movie yeah i uh i know a few
of those guys involved with that somewhat you know and one of them just overturned his case
anthony shay he's actually going to get out but you know not for a while but those are the guys
that didn't they end up executing someone is that right that's that's what he he overturned his
case the the the armad karen hudson where they one of them took off their mask in the back of the
truck and the guys they were just kind of you know they like basically cajacked the whole
whole arm and truck and took them into the woods.
Right.
And one of them took off their mask and they saw them and they made a quick decision then to
execute them execute both of them.
But that wasn't even in Boston, was it?
That was, they were from Boston, Charlestown.
That was in New Hampshire right over the state line in Hudson, almost out towards where
I am.
I'm a little north of the city.
Everybody always compares the, you know, the town to that case.
Yeah.
But yeah.
So, so so the first bank, well, what, so, so what, so.
what was a bank?
Just going in and passing a note, you know, trying to...
I mean, you know, the bank robbers kill me.
Okay, you know, I just...
It's the easiest thing to do.
How do you even decide to rob a bank?
You need money.
It's a pretty, pretty simple decision.
And it's the easiest, it's the easiest way to get money.
I remember I was in, I was in Connecticut State Prison once, playing cards,
and there was a couple of black guys from, like, Roxbury.
And we're just talking, chopping it up.
And he goes, I bet I can tell you what you're in here for.
And at the time, I was...
In Massachusetts at the time, the other thing called 52A, where if you got arrested and you were held on bail and you had a previous state prison sentence, they could just throw you right in state prison.
So you have some guys around a $500 bail, and the guy sitting next to him is doing life.
So they just actually abolish you out.
There's no more.
They hold you in a county jail like the old days.
But you'd be in there on bail and some guys are sentenced.
And he's like, what are you on bail?
He goes, I bet I can tell you what you're on bail for.
And I'm like, what?
And he goes, bank robbery.
I go, as a matter of fact, I am.
Right.
I mean, it's kind of common.
And where I'm from, you know, a lot, especially, like I said, it's the easiest, quickest way to get money.
Is it also, isn't Boston like the bank robbery capital of the world or something?
Like, aren't there more bank robberies in Boston?
Yeah.
And that's one of the quotes they throw in the town.
You know, they're talking about that one, just the area.
But just in Boston in general, there's tons of bank robberies, I thought.
Yeah, yeah.
There was.
I mean, I think everything's changing now.
The neighborhood, you know, I have a lot of friends there in Charlestown.
And that one square mile, there was more bank robbers there than everywhere.
But like everywhere else, got gentrified.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
The property, the prices started going up.
And, you know, it was mostly Irish bank robbers.
It's terrible now.
You know what I mean?
Those white people moved in and ruined the bank robbery industry.
Those yuppies walking around with their dog, picking up their dog poop, you know.
It's terrible.
So how did you decide to rob?
So did you pick a bank?
Did you think, oh, I can, this is a good target?
Like, how did you pick the bank?
Like, how did you figure out?
out. I'm going to use a note instead of a gun.
Just common sense, basically.
You just need balls.
And I used to like Robin Banks, like when the weather was bad, especially in the winter,
like during a snowstorm because response time is just, you know what I mean?
It's just easy money, basically.
You just walk in.
And when COVID happened, I said, oh, my God, I wish I was still robbing banks.
Hey, you could just walk in with a mask on, right?
I said, hey, how you don't?
Talk to the guy in line behind you, then walk out.
up and just rob them.
You know, when I'd walk in with a mask on,
and the whole place would I, you know, kind of know what time it was.
Well, what was it?
Luke, we did one on this guy.
Luke, he walked in the bank and he's got a mask on.
He said, he walked in.
He's got like a hoodie and a mask or something.
But he said, he walked in and he said, by my attire, he said,
pretty sure you guys know why I'm here.
You know, pretty obvious why I'm here.
Put the money in the bank.
Yeah, I mean, one time I said, I'm going to,
I'm here to make a large withdrawal, but I don't have an account here.
Are we going to have a problem?
And that lady, I remember her name and the police reports.
I got arrested for that one.
And she was talking about how she's traumatized.
Get the fuck out of here.
You know?
Yeah.
Come on.
Playing victim.
You're fine.
It's not like I put a gun in your mouth.
You know what I mean?
Honey, I passed you a note.
It's horrible.
But anyway, it might have said no die Paxe or you die.
But I mean, it was nothing too bad.
You know what I'm just kidding?
Yeah.
You've been through this before.
Yeah, yeah.
You've been down this road, honey.
You know how this works.
So the note, as opposed to a gun, because you get less time for a note, right?
Yeah.
And they're trained or whatever, told.
Yeah, to give it to you.
They're just following instructions, whatever they say.
You know, no die packs.
One time I was in, one time I did one.
This one actually, when I was in prison for another one, they brought up another case.
And I went in and I said to the lady, you know, only hundreds and 50s.
And she gave me like $2,200 or something.
And it was like, no, it's like $800 bills and like $6.50s, whatever it was.
I go, what the fuck is this?
Well, that's all the hundred and 50s we have on hand.
I go, well, give me 20.
She goes, no.
That's not what the note says.
I'm haggling with this lady.
Someone behind me in line.
I'm like, so I get out, I take off.
I was bullshit.
So like a year later, I get arrested for a bank and I'm in Concord State Prison and my lawyer,
Joanne Daly, who is a, she's a federal lawyer now, but she was one of these public
defenders that really believed in the rights of the indigent like she'd be up there
going back and forth with the DA like battling for me she was the best and she comes up to
see me she was like I got some surveillance photos from the bank and I remember that bank with a lady
you know gave me you know $1,400 whatever was and I see I had this I shouldn't say it but
I think the statute of limitations I had a certain garb certain um attire on cover
in my face. And I saw the picture and I said, I'm not charged with this bank. I said, that's,
and I named the bank in the town. I go, that's, and she goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
She picked it up. She's like, stop talking. She says, obviously you're a suspect in that one, too.
You know, put the file down in the thing. But yeah, Joanne Daly, I remember I went and saw her
afterwards and, you know, they won't take gifts from, like, dropping stuff off on her desk because
she beat, I think a home invasion for me, and she beat the bank robbery case.
And I tell people the story.
I'm in prison and I come back and I'm watching TV and I'm just standing there.
It's up on the wall and there was a kid from around Boston.
I know when he's next to me and my lawyer was going back and forth all day like with the DA.
And, you know, she even gave the judge some shit.
And I'm like, wow, my lawyer, you went daily.
I go, she's unbelievable.
I go, no, I go, my lawyer, I go, she's tenacious.
And he looked at me and he goes, tenacious, that's her name?
He goes, well, exactly.
I looked, I said, yeah, pretty much, you know.
And I said, this same day, this happened within 20 minutes of each other.
I leave him, and I'm just like shaking my head, and I go up.
And there's a kid from East Boston, Ronnie, Ronnie, Smoot.
Originally, it was Ronnie Tomorrow, right?
I love Ronnie.
I mean, how to go all this guy, right?
So I go into his cell, I says, hey, Ronnie, and he talked like Sylvester Stallone.
Hey, I said, hey, Ronnie, what's up?
I said, my lawyer just come up.
She got some great news.
He goes, really?
What's that?
I said, she just saved a bunch of money on her car insurance by switching a Geico.
And he looks at me, he goes, that's good news for you?
And I just said, yeah, pretty much, right?
I would have those moments and think I've got to get out of here.
What am I doing?
That's where I'm going with this.
I walked away, and I'm like, I'm way too smart to me.
Really?
I got this guy to call him my lawyer, Tenacious Daily.
This guy saw car insurance.
Yeah, I'm way, I'm way too smart to be in here.
But, yeah, Joanne Daly, shout out, love her, going to find her.
She actually, my last case, and I'm jumping around, you know, with the drug addiction
and everything, and in my last criminal case, you asked me when the last time I got out
was 2011, when I got out in 2011, now I'm 43 years old.
same same song and dance right no skills no one's higher in me right i remember i went to um
like one of these places that helps like ex-cons get jobs and and this and that and the guy sat
there with me he's talking to me and he says i'm gonna tell you what i'm gonna shoot from the hip
here he says you're a good guy he goes i've been talking here 20 minutes half hour he goes i like
you hilarious right and he goes and you might win somebody over in a job interview he goes but
when they run your record, he goes, so many people, like, looking for work, he goes, this is,
I mean, this is insane, your criminal record.
And that's what it was.
So I didn't, I didn't pull any punches.
I usually went right back to the criminal, you know, what I know, you know, selling drugs.
And I got arrested on a case, trafficking.
And it was during, it was a blizzard.
It was a snowstorm.
And a couple weeks before a cop come up to me, I was in the gym, he sent a message.
to me through someone else. He said, I want to meet you.
Because I always said cops that like me, you know,
something that hated me. Right.
But so I go to the gym and he's there and he's like,
hey, with the drug task force, he's like, we're following you right now.
He goes, I'll lose my job for this. He goes, we've got two cars
and we're following you and we're going to arrest you.
And you're trafficking.
And he gave me, he gave me the heads up, right?
And do you think I stopped?
No.
At the time I was using drugs, I was caught up, right?
And I'm supporting to have it.
I'm selling drugs.
But now I'm, you know, I'm on alert.
So my last arrest, we got this blizzard and it was like, you know, whatever, 24 inches, two feet.
You know, you get in the alerts on your phone, like, don't travel.
There was literally no cars on the road.
You know, it starts getting real dark, you know, around six, seven at night during the winter.
You know, I don't know if those here.
Yeah, we're on the same time zone, right?
So, you know, how it gets dark earlier?
we're the same time zone but i do think you change do you turn the clocks back we did we change
but i think up north it gets dark earlier than it does yeah it gets super dark it's like midnight
at seven o'clock some crazy reason during the winter so i'm looking out my window and this person
calls me for like five grams and and i'm um i'm looking out the window and there isn't a car on
the road i mean it's a it's a blizzard right so i got this little Chevy s tan steg you know
four-wheel drive i drive to this house to meet this person and i don't know
know what they were following me in you know i mean because there wasn't a car on the road but right
when i walked out of the house i had a bunch of money had a bunch of drugs in my sock they yoked me up
by the throat and choke slammed me and i'm like up here we go again you know i'm all darned my place
found a bunch of other things so i'm in jail and uh i get out on bail after a couple months
my father bails me out and um one of my best friends is uh mickey wood they made a movie the
fighter about him. Mark Wahlberg portrayed him
and the fighter he was a boxer
and he'd always try
to help me like Mike you're going to go to rehab, you're all
fucked up, you know, he'd come see me and
he was trying to get me to go to rehab in Florida
in Deerfield Beach. He knew
somebody who owned a rehab
down there.
And now I'm out on bail for this and
I'm a mess and he's
trying to get me to go on there and I'm like
I'm ready to cop out to a three to five
and at the time I'm using
I'm using a lot of drugs and the detox
from opiates and it's brutal right so so he's calling me and calling me and asked me if i wanted
to go down and and i'm blowing him off and then it's getting closer and close to the end of the
case and i'm ready to cop out i'm talking to that same lawyer joint daily i'm talking about you know
get me down can you get me down to two to four you know i'll take it and um she's just putting
it off putting it off so i start calling mickey i want to go and he didn't know if i was serious
and i'm calling him calling him and he gets me down at deerfield beach florida i went to
place the Florida House experience and at the time I'm on methadone I'm like you know you went to what
the Florida House Florida House experience okay so at the time like doesn't that doesn't sound like a
drug rehab that's why I was just going to say yeah maybe that's why Florida House experience yeah so
I remember you know Mickey you know at the time we used to joke he'd say you know he's driving
on there he's like you know what do you what do you what do you want like what are you to detox from and I said
he's on the phone with Dev and I said Mickey and I said I'm on everything but
roller skates right now you know what I mean I mean you name it I'm doing Zanax drinking like I'm on
everything and before I went I'm like you know make sure they have methadone there and he's like you know
he's talking them on the phone do you have methadone and he's like yeah he's like yeah don't worry
they got everything they'll take it on real slow and he dropped me off I walked in and yeah there was no
methadone and it was it was it was brutal but I you know I did that and uh you know I went in there
at St. Patrick's Day,
2013, and, you know, I haven't done any drugs,
alcohol, anything since.
And, um,
got clean and I get out and I'm fighting this case.
So my,
you know,
I've detoxed in prison and jail.
Now they give you a methadone in there.
And so people get out of jail now.
They look like they've been on the street smoking.
It's crazy.
It used to be,
like the last bastion of hope, right?
When I get locked up, it would be like,
at least I'm going to get healthy now.
I'm going to detox from drugs.
Right.
You know, and I'm the guy, you know,
hitting the gym, running, lifting weights.
I get out of jail.
I look like a million.
And I do this time and time again.
Get out, look like a million bucks.
And so now I'm like, I'm going to get off the drugs.
So I was going to say something real quick.
My dad went to rehab a bunch of times.
But one time I read it, he got there and they took away all this clothes.
And so he's got, he's in like, he's in like his pajamas.
And they take away all your shit.
And so, you know, he's like, whatever, after a few hours when he's, first, he's okay to go.
But then, of course, like a few hours later, he starts to, he's, you know, detox or whatever, he needs some alcohol, whatever.
And all he's got is his pajamas.
And he's, you can't keep me here.
And they're like, you're right.
You're free to leave.
And he's like, well, where's my wallet?
Well, you know, this is what you got.
Well, where's my clothes?
You took my clothes.
He's like, you can leave.
And they're like, he's like, I'm in my pajamas.
And they had already told my mom, he's going to call you.
in a few hours. He's going to tell you, come down here, get me a taxi. She's like, they're like,
you need to not answer the phone or just, I'll know. And literally, he left a couple times,
walked a block or two down the street and came back, realizing like, I can't walk home. He's way
out in the middle of nowhere. You're in your pajamas. He told us later when he got out, he's like,
listen, they got this down to a science. Like, they kept talking to you and talking to you.
He's like, it went hours. And then they were like, go, you can leave. He's like, but he's like,
they really have you.
Like,
they really know what they're doing
to keep you there.
Of course.
They deal with people like that.
So how's he doing now?
It's my question.
Oh, he's dead.
No.
He went out exactly the way he wanted,
filled with a morphine and...
Did he ever sober up and all?
Oh, no, he did.
He sold it up.
Oh, good.
He sold it up for the guy,
like, probably the last 15,
15, 20 years of his life.
Oh, awesome.
Yeah.
I'm sorry to hear that.
Died of cancer because he,
he's been smoking since he was like 13 years old.
And it's one day it hit.
And within,
And we was dead within three, four months.
Maybe that's better than just lingering around.
Yeah, but he was in his 80.
You know what I'm saying?
He's in his 80s.
He had a long life.
He saw you turn it around, right?
Yeah, so he died while I was in prison.
Thanks.
Oh, man.
He's watching now, Maddie.
He's watching right now.
Listen, this guy beats me what is going to take Matt to the next level.
I had 26 years.
He came to see me, and I had 26 years in the visitation room.
And I remember telling him, he was like, well, what are you doing?
I'm like, I'm done.
This is it.
I'll be in my 60s when I get out.
And he was like, no, that's not true.
And I was like, no, that's true.
And I remember he said, no, he goes, you're smart and you're clever.
He goes, you're going to figure a way out of here.
And I thought, you're delusional.
Like, are you drunk now?
Like, are you crazy?
I'm done.
But he was right.
You know, I ended up 12 years off my sentence and walked out and before I was even 50.
But yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was a tough one, though.
That visit.
I'm walking back from that one.
Yeah, it's like, same thing.
It's like when you used to get drunk when I was in my teens and tell me I was a loser,
I was going to be nothing like lucky guess.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was very lucky.
At least you didn't say like, I told you, huh?
Huh?
I was right.
Remember that time?
Yeah.
My father said, I'm going to leave and go get a steak.
That would be it on the road.
You're like, how do you keep putting yourself in a position where people tell you what to do?
Because I wake up at two in the morning, I get on, I have a couple Oreos,
walked down to the fridge, take a piss, throw the TV on.
on he's like you know you don't you know miss it until you're yeah until you miss it and then you're
like fuck i remember you know if people like right away i'm gonna you know broads you get laid you know
whatever your thing is right but i'm like girls and food like i never thought oh my mouth water right
right makes you a mouth never mouth never what is a saying right yeah i'd be in prison i see a
commercial of a burger king burger in my mouth it's not salopi you're like that's a real thing
oh yeah peter remember just before you get out everybody keeps saying like what are you going to eat when
you get out and you know these guys have a different impression to me who I really am they're like
bro what are you going to you're going to go get lobster you're going to get this and all I could
think about was a a McDonald's cheeseburger the little cheeseburger that's all I was like I just want
a McDonald's cheeseburger bro that's all I daydreamed about that for 13 years my mouth even now
thinking about it my mouth starts watering see that like I said I saw that commercial I remember
standing there looking at that commercial it was just like a wapa junior right yeah they're
showing it sizzling on the grill with the burn marks in it right
And I like my mouth's water, and I'm like, what the fuck?
You know, I'd die for one of them right now.
So let's go back.
So you were in the rehab.
You got out, your buddy's like, hey, you're trying to get it down to two years.
Yeah, I was trying to get it down with two to four.
And Joanne Daly pulls up this paperwork in the case.
And it said the state, the law police received email from the state police saying I was trafficking in the area.
And that's what started the investigation.
So she was like, wait a minute.
Before we cop, I'll produce this email.
Right.
And I'm like, hey, listen, if you can get them down to two to four, I'll jump on it.
Because I'm not going to trial and getting smoked.
Just hold on, hold on.
So, you know, boom, when it gets continued again, they don't produce the email.
Continue again.
They don't, now I'm saying her, hey, I'm ready.
I want to get this out of the way.
Like, I'm just, I want to start this time and get going.
She's like, no, no.
She's like, no.
She goes, you don't understand about emails.
They don't go away.
Right.
She's like, it's like an electronic fingerprint.
She's like that.
If they have this, if they have this, so then I start thinking, I know a little bit about the law.
I spent a lot of time in the law library, like fruit of a poisonous tree, obviously.
Right.
If the beginning of the case is bad, the original thing that started this case, this supposed email, if that's bad, anything that came after it, see you later.
So we kept asking and asking, and then now I'm getting confident like three or four times at DA, oh, we got it, oh, we got it, you know, next time, next time.
And finally she got the judge to put it on record.
They're going to have it the next time we went to court.
So now I'm like, you know, I can't stop thinking about it.
We go in a court.
The TA starts.
Well, I didn't get it yet.
We're going to get it next week.
Now the judge is going to continue it again.
My lawyer get up.
No, no, no, you know, run it back.
Run the tapes back.
They told us last time I was here.
And I remember the judge looked.
They pulled it up.
And the judge was like, all charges dismissed, lack of prosecution, good day.
And I was like, whof.
So that was, what a game change of that was, you know.
So, but now I got a good head on my shoulders.
I'm sober.
I just beat this case.
I got no probation, no parole, which you'll know about that soon enough.
Right.
I'm not going to go, I want to jigs you here.
You know what I mean?
But soon enough.
You know, it's a good feeling.
Yeah.
Right.
And after that, I, you know, just being a hustler like we always are.
I remember I was down in Florida and I was with a friend of mine, Gary Boyle.
What year?
2013.
Okay.
I'm down in Florida, 12, 13.
And when I first went to Florida, there was, you know, I mean, statute of limitations.
I can, the statute of limitations, so on financial crimes is five years.
Yeah.
For like bank fraud, I think it's, I'm sorry, for bank robbery, I believe it's 10 years.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah.
So.
I mean, for most, I think for a lot of drugs, it's three to five years, right?
A lot of drug crimes.
Yeah.
All right, so when I first got to Florida, I remember I'm in the Publix, and there was a kid in the rehab who worked there, and I see the truck pulling up, getting the money, and the guy's walking out.
He doesn't really paying much attention to this guy now.
I'm at that stage of the game now where I'm, you know, 43, 44 years old, and I'm like, I've got to make a move.
I got to, I got to do something to, and I remember I was in the bathroom.
Something should be get a job.
I remember them in Publix, and I see these rain slings.
is hanging in the bathroom.
You know, like I said, I always like rain and snow and like during a story.
That was when I usually make my move.
And so I grab, I grab, I steal a rain slicker, you know, something.
I'm already, I'm already plotting, you know, when I'm going to do this.
So I got this and, and then I went to a doctor down there, and they were still kind of doing
the perk things down there.
It was towards the end.
They were really tightening up, 2013.
I mean, the gold rush was over as far as though.
The doctor shop and that's like petering out.
They had the system about that time.
But I had a doctor and he'd write me a huge script of percocets and they wouldn't fill them.
They started not filling them at like CVS and Walgreens.
And I remember I'm going to this like shady little pharmacy on Oakland Park Boulevard and Fort Lauderdale.
And I forget what he was charging me like eight bucks a piece to fill them.
And, you know, they was going for 30 bucks, you know, in Boston.
So I'm taking, I just got a rehab down there, but I'm making a trip.
You know, that's actually long gone on this, right?
No, yeah, but still, it's a, so I'm making the monthly trip back.
Now I got a nice place right on the inlet of the intercoastal, and I'm, you know, now I get
a friend of mine going to the same doctor, and I'm taking him off him in Florida and throwing him
a couple bucks, and, you know, I'm hollowing out sneakers and taking trains back, and one bottle
is in my name so I can fly with that.
You know, I'm just doing what I always do.
You know what I mean?
I'm scheming and scamming.
But I was down in Florida with a friend of mine, Gary Boyle, rest of peace.
Gary, and we were out in a restaurant, and we saw these, like, you know, Mexicans power washing
around the dumpster, and he's like, kid, that's a good business to start right there, kid.
All you need is a $100 power washer from Home Depot, a pump sprayer, and a bottle of bleach
and a hose.
You have no overhead.
That's all you need.
And I'm, you know, listening to him.
So I'm always thinking, right, I get this little Chevy S-10 truck, and I'm thinking,
I'm thinking, rock, I should start a little power washing business back home.
And during this whole time, I had a daughter.
I lost custody of it when I went to prison.
And her mother had her own issues.
And she lost her.
And the grandparents or the girl had her.
And she didn't know who I was.
And then she was like four or five.
And, you know, it was always in the back of my mind, like, feeling like a piece of shit.
Like I have a daughter who doesn't even know who the fuck I am.
Her mother's a mess.
The grandparents got her.
And she's bouncing around.
So I started filing some emotions trying to get custody of her.
I'm bouncing back and forth, and I start a little power washing business back home.
And I keep going to court, going to court, going to court.
And now I, the parents were in Naples, the grandparents, and they just, like, left her with someone else.
So I filed the motion to have them come in, and I ended up winning custody, long story short, on my daughter.
So I got her back, and I started this little power washing business, and I started doing pretty good, you know, supplementment with the monthly runs to Florida.
That was still going on.
And I ended up parlaying that into a roofing gig.
How does that parlay into a roofing gig?
Like, you've never done a roof.
Have you ever put on a roof?
No.
Why did you think that I can...
Well, a lot of...
That's a stretch.
Like, that's a leap.
Well, where I'm from, there's a lot of roofers also.
Right.
Like Mickey's father was a roof.
And a lot of guys I grew up around roofing.
And I actually went down to the Super Bowl when the Patriots.
played in Arizona when Malcolm Butler intercepted the ball.
I know you're not a big sports guy,
but it was, you know, you end of the game,
the Patriots you're about to lose,
and the Patriots make this miraculous play
and intercepted on the one-yard line.
And I got my tickets down there,
and I got them off the scalper in Boston,
and I fly all the way down to Arizona,
and something happened with the tickets,
like Stubhub didn't get all these tickets.
So they pre-sell tickets, like let's say you and your wife want to get on there.
Tampa Bay Bucks fan.
It's in Arizona.
You pay $3,000 apiece for your tickets.
You fly all the way down there, and they say, hey, we didn't get the ticket.
So at the time, they had a 200% return on your money.
But people are still like, I want to go to the game.
I don't want my money back.
So I had two tickets.
I paid $1,500 apiece for me and my friend.
So now I'm the more than another game, I see the cheapest tickets going for $9,000.
So at the time, I got like $1,500 to my name.
You know, I'm hustling power wash and selling perks.
I go, hey, this is a no braider for me.
I know you're a huge Patriot fan.
And he's like, it's my birthday.
The last time they played on my birthday in the Super Bowl, they won, I say, that's all well.
Good.
You know what I mean?
But we're selling these tickets.
And you're going to go to a bar and get drunk.
And I'm going to go to a rub and tug or something.
I'm going to figure out who won the game after.
So we end up selling the tickets, $8,500 apiece, $17,000.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, I was outside the stadium.
There was this ticket broker, and he had like a, I don't know, spice up the story, like a Louis Vuitton bag.
He had just like this leather bag, and he had bricks of hundreds in it.
And he had these runners going around.
He ended up being a ticket broker from Miami.
And he looked at the tickets real quick, and he's like, yeah, $17,000.
I just counted out $17,000.
And I'm like, wham, I had $1,500 in my pocket.
Now I got $10,000.
I'm on top of the world.
And he was like outside the stadium, no one's grabbing any money and running away.
You know what I mean?
The streets are blocked off.
There's crowds.
He was like safe with that money right there.
Just throw that out there.
A guy wasn't walking around with $200 grand in a bag.
And so I sold my tickets.
And that was in 2015, I believe, and right at that time, we got hit where I'm from Lull.
It was the snowiest city in America.
So roofs were collapsing.
So there was a shoveling roofs thing.
So I come back and it's all going on.
I got that little shitty truck with a ladder on and I'm power washing.
And I pull in, I got custody and my daughter.
And when I first got her actually, I remind me to go back to the.
the shoveling roofs with the little truck.
When I first got custody of her,
she's on the couch and she was,
I'll know if she's watching a movie called The Nut Job.
It's like a Disney movie.
And it's like these little squirrels are in this thing
and they're looking at this like,
they're going to rob this like nut factory
and steal all these like, you know,
cashews and peanuts.
And at the same time, there's these like these thugs watching the bank
across the street and they got the guns.
It's just funny like Disney.
And she says, you know,
what were you just?
She goes, were you in prison?
I said, what do you think prison is?
She was five or six.
She goes, jail.
I said, would you think I was a bad person if I was?
She said, yeah, you were in jail?
And I said, well, I was.
I said, I made a mistake.
But I changed now.
She goes, what were you in jail for?
So this was the perfect segue, the old nutjob movie.
I said, well, you see those gentlemen right there watching the bank?
And she said, you robbed a bank?
Yeah, among other things, but let's move on.
So a week, a couple weeks later, she's in this place, Girls Inc.
It's like the Girls Club, you go off to school.
So I pick her up.
She gets in my truck.
She goes, Mike.
She still calls me Mike to this day.
Never call me to that.
She goes, Mike.
What's up, Joanne?
She goes, I stole two things today.
I said, really?
What's that?
That's not the reaction, by the way.
Pack and gum?
And then she pulls out, like, you know, when you go to, like, Dave, myself, again, like the raves, the glow in the dark bracelets, you snap them and they glow.
And she goes, and this glow in the dark necklace.
I said, well, Jordan, here's me being herein the responsible father-in-up.
I said, Jordan, you're bringing it back to tomorrow after school and you're telling him you took that.
She goes, you're kidding.
I go, no, I'm not kidding.
She was, who's lost and found?
I said, I don't care where it was, right?
It wasn't yours.
Doesn't belong to you, right?
Right.
You're returning it.
and she looks out the window of the truck
it was like raining
so disappointing
she's like pondering right
and she turns around
and she says so Mike
when you took money from a bank
you brought it back the next day
I said listen you know what happened to me
you want to take you to the police station right
but I remember driving go you know
out of the miles of babies right
when you took money of a bank
did you bring it back the next day
as a matter of fact I didn't
but but you'll bring it back the gum
and the necklace
so with her and we pull
this gas station down the street of my house and this old guy, it was, you know, the old
time gas station's pumping the gas, taking the money. He says, hey, do you shovel roofs?
So I got a little ladder on top of my truck. Right. I remember I, this kid I know was stealing
ladders. He worked for like a solar company.
There's not, there's nothing that doesn't revert back to some kind of a crime.
So I remember this kid was stealing ladders. He called me, I heard he started a roofing company.
You know, I get these ladders. And so I go, all right. So I'm, I'm a lot.
So I'm veering off course yet, but he's taking off the truck.
He goes, I go, does it work?
He goes, now I already got a roofing company.
Like, you know, or a power washing company, whoever.
He goes, does it work?
I go, he goes, yeah, it works.
He goes, go ahead, check it out.
So I'm going, I'm like, you know, trying to open it up.
And he's just looking at me.
And he's like, you got to untie the rope and put your foot on the bottom to extend.
You got a construction business?
You don't even know how to open a ladder.
I go, you know, donate, donate on me.
So I'm with her, and I get this ladder on top of my truck and, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, you shovel roofs.
And I said, yeah, I'm right doing.
He says, how much to shovel that?
It was like this little ranch.
I go, 600 bucks.
When can you do it?
Did you just come up with it?
You have no idea.
I mean, no idea.
I just throw it out there.
He goes, when can you do it?
She drive away.
My daughter says, why did you tell me shovel roofs?
I said, you know, I said, Jun, when someone asks you can do something, you always say,
yeah, she goes, what if you ask you to jump off a bridge?
Now she's sick, right?
I'm like, oh, here we go, right?
I'm like, don't worry about it.
So I grabbed two kids.
I know one of them was a roof, right?
said, hey, shovel this roof for me. I'll give you 150 each. So now I dropped them off. They
set up the ladder. It's freezing. You know, I'm like yelling out the window out of my, I go down
the street. I get a coffee from Dunkin' Donuts, and I'm in my truck watching him shovel the
roof. You're making, you're making $300 drinking coffee. Like, look at these idiots. Poor guys.
I'm Snapchat, you know, and that's when I started the social media, which ended up growing.
But I'm sitting there filming it, and then, like, the neighbor comes out, and she says, hey, can you
shovel my roof. Dennis, can you shovel my daughter's roof? She lives, you know, in this part of town.
She lives in Newton and here and there, and I ran around. So I come back. I took off to L.A.
I went to the wild car gym and Freddie Roach, and it's a famous boxing gym in Hollywood.
And I went there and I come back and I don't know what I had left from the 15 grand, you know,
probably 12 grand. I'm out there in L.A. bouncing around. And I come back and now the shovel and roof thing
started. So for a month
straight, it was nonstop
shoveling roofs. I remember one of them, a kid
worked for me, Mike Landry, he's
it was this big roof. He goes, hey, is this roof got any
skylights? I go, no. He goes,
well, go call the homeowner and fucking
see if it got skylights and it did, right?
He's like, see? You got to ask, a week
later, a guy fell through a skylight shoveled a roof
and died. Not what are your guys?
No, no. It was like a commercial building. It was
a big one. He was a big flat roof and I'm like,
you know, here's something I'd never think of it. Yeah, yeah. I don't go on a
roof. You know what I mean? But I mean, but
I wouldn't have been the guy falling through the skylight.
So shoveling roofs, months straight, after everything, I'm in my room, and I forget what I had, like $36,000 cash.
And this kid shoveling roofs for me.
And he said, he said, you know, how many people are going to need roofs when this is done?
He goes, you got idiots on roofs like you stepping through skylights and I've never been on a roof, shoveling up, ripping off shingles, drilling holes through ice dams.
He's like, when this thaws out, these roofs are going to be destroyed.
You know, it's like, you're currently, I'm currently destroying roofs and I'll been,
I'll come back and say, wow, that roof is fucked up.
Yeah, it is fucked up.
I can fix that for you.
Exactly.
For $6,000.
So when he sat down, I says, wow, this kid's on to something, right?
So that's how the roofing business started.
I had all that money I made and I bought another truck with a bigger truck with ladder racks.
And I went and got a workman's comp and liability and started a roofing company.
And that's when that that took off.
It didn't take off, but I did good.
Yeah.
Good, you know.
That, it just reminds me of my buddy Travis, who got arrested and cooperated against me and started the, started a task force.
So he's a good guy, Travis.
He is a good guy.
He has a little daughter, you know.
I get it.
So, but he was, we were running a scam together.
He got arrested.
And when he got arrested, you know, the next day, he bonded out.
I should have known.
I didn't know anything back then.
Like, his initial bond was like $200,000.
And the next day they dropped it to like 15.
Yeah, 15 bucks.
And it was like, he's like, yeah, got it lowered.
But within a day, like, you don't even have a lawyer yet.
But anyway, he got out, started working with the task force.
But what's funny is, of course, you can't continue to, you don't want to commit fraud.
He's like, I'm currently.
But what I thought he was.
was currently like, I'm working with my lawyer. Well, first of all, I get him a lawyer. That's
like 15 grand. So I give him a lawyer. So he's like, he's like, um, he's like, um, he's like,
um, he was a state. This was state. Even though he got arrested in a bank, because if it was
federal, it would have been 40 grand or 30 grand, but it was state and all they got him for was
opening a bank account with a fake ID. So it's, so it stayed state for some reason. But while he's
working with them, he's telling me like, you know, obviously it just takes a long time.
know. So he's like, in the meantime, I'm not going to commit fraud. I need to get a job.
I was just so happy he was dating this chick who just bought a house. And he shows up,
borrows a chainsaw from his dad to trim some trees. So he trim some trees for her. While he's trimming
trees, he's like, literally like three neighbors come up to me and say, how much do you charge?
Yeah. He's like, I have no idea how much. He's like, so I walk over and I look and look at the trees and I go,
I try, I'll trim this one up for $1,500 bucks.
He's like, 1,200, yeah, and they're like, they're like, done.
Yeah.
And then he's like, the next, he said, so the next day I work there, he's like, you know,
it takes a couple days.
And then he said, you know, somebody else comes up to him.
He's like, but listen before you know it, he's like, I got like six jobs.
He is, and I very quickly realized, like, I'm charging way too cheap.
Yeah.
Like, everybody's like, okay, okay.
Yeah, they jump on it.
Right.
He's like, now he realized.
He's like, I'm saying 1,200.
He's like, I should have been saying like 2,500, 3,000.
Yeah.
Because now he's trying to get rid of this, the, you know, not realizing like how,
how heavy trees are and the limbs are.
And I got to put it in my truck.
So then he comes back to me and he's like,
um,
listen,
man,
I need to get it like a truck.
So I go buy him a truck.
I'm still committing for all.
I buy him a truck.
This is,
while he's also meeting with a task force,
I go buy him a,
a dodge.
It had a hemy in it.
He was a guy needs to be a big thing.
Okay.
Of course.
I'm surprised.
Travis,
I'm surprised.
I didn't suggest that.
I'm embarrassed.
I didn't suggest buying you a truck.
I buy him a truck.
Comes back a couple of
week later. He's like, you know what I need? I need one of those chippers. How much are those? He's like,
you can get one for like, you know, whatever, $2,200 used. I'm like, of course, of course you should.
I don't know. What was I thinking? Of course you knew it. We get him that. Then he comes back a month later and he
wants a boom, like you can pull it behind your vehicle and it goes up, you know, and you want to look.
Those are like expensive. They're like eight grand or something. Don't tell me about that, too.
Of course I did. He needs it.
Listen, I did everything.
I fell short of actually dropping him off at the task force.
Tell me he felt terrible during all this.
I sure he did.
But yeah, it's funny.
But it kept growing, growing to this day.
So I basically invested like, now I did finance the truck.
You know, I financed the truck.
Yeah.
And he, but he had the pay.
Somehow or another, he ended up with a truck.
I took off, but I don't know how he ended up with a truck, but I took off.
Maybe ford something, I forget.
But, or did I put the money down and financed it his name?
I think it wasn't his name, but I put a chunk of money down.
But the rest of the stuff, it ended up being like 15,000 for his lawyer.
It was 25 grand I just dumped into his new business.
He still runs that business to this day.
No fucking way.
He has, at one point, my mom came to visit me and I was like, oh, how's it?
How's it going?
She's like, oh, I saw Travis the other day.
I was like, oh, how's Travis?
Like, you know, I don't have any problem with him.
I'm like, oh, how's Travis?
She's, oh, he's good.
He came by to trim our trees and this and that.
I was like, oh, okay.
And she said, oh, he's doing real good.
She said, you see his trucks everywhere.
I'm like, trucks.
And she's like, oh, he must have five or six different trucks.
Like, he's got crews.
He had now, now he's not doing that well.
Like, he actually doesn't live far from here.
He still runs it.
Yeah.
But I think he's only got a couple of trucks.
But, you know, he's an alcoholic.
He's lost his license.
He has somebody who has to drive him around.
Like, the alcohol, you know, as you get older,
you don't function as well.
Like you're a young guy
you can kind of function
on alcohol, being an alcoholic.
Yeah, yeah.
He's older now, so.
I think it's worse than drugs.
Yeah, it's caught up with him.
But it's the same thing.
It was kind of a fluke
where it was like this,
you know, okay,
and somebody walked,
you know, he kind of got pushed
into this thing that ended up
being this career.
He had to be something though.
He must have been like a monkey,
climbing trees or something
because that's like a different breed,
people left.
Yeah, I think he honestly
only trimmed trees for a few months.
Now he's like,
oh, I don't do it.
I bid out the,
jobs. I hire the guys. I drive them there. I say, go do this, go do that. But yeah, if he wasn't,
if he wasn't an alcoholic, he could have probably turned that into something massive. And at one
point he had, it was pretty big. But he's, you know, the alcohol fucks them up and he goes on benders
and loses everything, and then starts over and you know how it is. And it's working for someone
else, though. You know what I mean? He did good. But it's the same thing. Like, you're not climbing
on Roost. You're not doing Roos. You're just hiring the guys.
Yeah, subbing it out.
I like my chances on the ground.
He sends the voice things, right?
What do they call?
Voice demos.
Voice memos?
Yeah.
And he'll, you know, I'll get the little voice memos.
Yeah, I get these guys in the back of the truck.
I'm dropping them off of this roof over here.
Yeah, but I'm going to get a plane.
I'm probably going to be there.
And I'm like probably going to.
This is scheduling with him was like eight different.
Yeah, I'm thinking about this.
Yeah, probably.
Probably.
I got a guy coming.
You, I need to know.
And then out of the blue, I finally get one that says, I might drive.
You know what?
I don't know.
I'll be there.
And then like the next day, it's like, I'm in Tampa.
Yeah, literally drove the airport that day.
I finally realized, okay, he is going to be here when I get the text says, I'm in Tampa.
Like.
But so you did the, so you're doing the roofing thing now.
But then you started, well, how's your daughter?
Good.
She's doing great.
She's going to be here tomorrow.
actually. I thought it was the 10th. Oh, yeah, that's right.
That's right. She's coming with her friend and her friend's mother.
And knock on wood, I got lucky with her. So far, so good, you know, the social media thing.
She stopped stealing stuff?
Yeah, yeah, she stopped stealing stuff. My father got her stealing a pack of gum.
One time, too, he goes, I'm walking home with her. She was like, you know, seven.
She's like, reach her in her pocket and so pulls out a pack of gum and said, chewing.
He's like, he just had her in the store. I would have bought it. I goes, June, when did you get that?
I had it. He goes, no, you didn't.
I got the fuck out of here.
I had it.
Mind your own business.
You ask a lot of questions.
Are you a cop?
So once, speaking of that, a couple of years back when I first met, I guess she's my ex now.
She broke up with me yesterday.
This is the chick that you sent me the video with.
A Chinese girl?
Oh, he's going to be watching this.
Yeah, you were doing, you were watching cameras or something.
You were somewhere where there was cameras or something.
You sent me a video.
And you showed me, you showed me this.
You said something.
And then you, then she was, you said, or did I just hear you saying?
You were talking to you said, hey, babe, can you get such and touch?
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
I don't know if I saw.
Okay.
So, yeah, definitely.
See, it was definitely you, baby.
Was I going.
So, oh, I was with my girlfriend and my daughter.
This had to be four or five years ago.
The guy I knew the podcast with Bundy, he was wanted.
And there was like a task force looking for them.
And I pulled up to my sober house and my daughter just met my, she's my girl.
I'm just going to call him.
I can't see my ex.
She just met her and she's in the front seat.
My daughter, it's going to be five years ago.
She was probably 11.
So of a sudden the house has swarmed with cops.
And I'm like, you know, I'm giving them a hard time.
You know, I filmed on it.
I'm like, get the fuck off my property.
Because they would be an asshole.
Why were they there?
They were looking for Bundy.
So I first said, who you?
Bundy's your co-host.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I first said, who are you looking for?
And they said, someone who resides at this resident.
And that's when I became an asshole.
Get the fuck off my property.
Like, just, I know who you're looking for.
Just tell me who.
And I'll tell you he's not here.
But you want to come back with this smart, you know, cop talk, you know, somebody who uses this
mailing it.
Shut the fuck up, you know.
So I get back in my truck and my girl, Shind, she's like, she's like, she just, I go, I go, what?
So my daughter goes,
the guy come up to the window
and knocked on the window
I rolled the window down
and he said
is your father here
and she said
I looked down
and I saw he had a badge
on his waist
she goes
so I just rolled the window up
and then the Chinese girl goes
she told me not to talk to them
and I turned around
I was so proud
it was probably my proudest moment
as a father
that
you know
oh my God
yeah
yeah you're the teaching me
you know they're not here
to help. When the cops don't stop asking questions, they're not here to tell you you won the lottery.
Well, listen. They're trying to put you in a cage most of the time. Boziak, right? They came here one time for Boziac. He was dating this chick. And he would, he just, he just, they got into a fight. He said, I'm done with her. And he, he blocked her. So a couple days goes by, he's, she hadn't heard her from him. She's calling her. She's doing everything. But, you know, he's blocked her. Yeah. He doesn't even know the Texas. He ain't even getting him. Yeah. And nothing. That's why he did it. She called a wellness check.
This is what a psycho she is.
And they show up.
So I walked to the front door,
knocks on,
you have you heard this?
Knocks on the front door.
And I,
you know,
I looked through the people and I thought,
what the fuck?
I opened the door.
I'm like, hey,
when there's two cops there.
And I'm like,
hey,
what's going on?
They said,
John Boziak.
And I went, no.
And they go,
is he here?
And I went,
no.
And they go,
does he live here?
And I went,
no.
And as soon as I said that,
I thought,
Jesus, God Almighty, did I just fly to the cops?
And I thought, I'm on probation.
Like, what the fuck did I just?
That I'm about to correct myself.
And then the guy goes, he's not in any trouble.
We have a wellness check from, and they named the girl, the girl, we have a wellness check.
We're just making sure he's okay.
And I went, oh, Boziak.
And they go, they look at each other and they go, yes.
I said, he is not here, but he does live here.
Yes.
And the cops are just, the look on their face is like, and I was, listen, and my heart
was like, brr, because as soon as I said it, I thought, what did you just do?
Yeah.
What was just automatic.
It just automatically, which is just horrible.
This is not the right thing to do.
Yeah.
But I know for you, you're like, actually, it probably is.
It really bothers me.
It just bothers me when I lie to cops.
We call him.
I go, I can call him, though.
He's at the tattoo place.
So we call him.
And I said, hey, there's two cops here.
There's a wellness check.
And he goes, what did that psycho do?
He starts going, I'm fine, here's who I am.
He tells him, they're like, okay, just making sure.
And he hung up in, they're like, yeah, bro, that's crazy.
The cops were like, that's crazy.
I go, she's nuts, bro.
She's not.
She's not.
So he didn't go back with her, right?
Huh?
No, he didn't.
Because you see that a lot.
Oh, he does.
He did a few times.
You know, he realized.
You see guys, a girl puts them in jail and they go back with them.
Oh, no.
I've seen it.
I've seen it.
I can't be involved in that.
No.
Listen, when I was on the run, the chick I was on the run with would literally the cops would get
called. We're both on the run wanted. She's screaming at two in the morning and getting the
cops called. Like, what are you doing? We're wanted. Where were you on the run? I was a this,
I was all over the place. Cross the States. Oh no. This was a yeah, this was in, um, Charlotte, North Carolina.
Cops actually got called like two or three times. To arrest you? No, I was never there. Oh.
So as soon as she just would start screaming, I'd grab my bug out bag and haul ass. She'd walk in the
hallway. We're talking about it. This is a downtown high rise. Nice place. It's two in the morning and she's
screaming, run, that's all you're good for, run.
And I'm like, it's two in the morning.
And I did, I'm bolton.
Like, I run, get my car leave.
And then 10 minutes later, she's boring my phone up crying.
I'm sorry.
Where is she now?
I like this girl.
She probably doesn't live far from here.
Really?
But she'd call it.
I'm literally, I remember one time I was, she's crying on the phone and they bang on the door.
Boom, boom, boom.
And she, hold on a second.
Open the door.
They're like, hi, we got a phone call for.
She's like, oh, I'm sorry.
And she's talking.
And you're there with warrants right there in the room.
Then what?
You're right there in the room.
No, no, I was in my car.
She's called me.
She's still in the apartment, but I'm already in my car driving down the street.
And she's wanted to?
She's wanted to.
But we have, we have a beautiful hotel.
You're not in the motel six.
No, no, we're in an apartment, a nice apartment in downtown.
But we both have fake IDs.
Like I have, now I mean fake idea.
I mean, they were issued by the DMV.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you can say, hey, she can say, my name is Michelle Eckert.
I can say, hey, my name's Michael, so-and-so, and they can run it.
So they don't know, but yeah, I'm wanted.
Yeah.
Like, they're looking at somebody who's wanted who's on the, you know, the secret.
Yeah, but you have the driver's license with you.
Yeah, they don't have a clue.
But still, it's like, you can't, like, shut your mind.
Like, what are you doing?
You're on the Secret Service.
Secret Service is Most Wanted List.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's awesome.
When did you start the podcast?
Just like six months ago, seven months ago,
I was on someone else's podcast and like,
dude, you could, like me and you sitting there shooting the shit.
Yeah.
He's like, dude, you can talk, you know, you got to do your own thing.
And like I talked to you a little about it when I got here.
I got it really tighten up and, you know, I'm showing.
I got a consistency, right?
Consistency.
I'm doing it.
Then I'm not doing it for three weeks.
And I'm doing it one.
But I got a, you know, a good amount of subscribers and a good amount of views
what I'm doing.
But I really got to step it up.
And especially you have to be in here and seeing this operation, you know?
Yeah.
No.
seriously man what a system you got here did the podcast come from your
instagram following is that like kind of like yeah like because you have what 150
on instagram yeah yeah and what are you posting on instagram you just uh just my life you know
videos i see a lot where i live is a lot of crazy stuff mostly funny stuff um i was just thinking
about the video with the where they're doing the drone he's this is what i think is going on
every time i hit some go yeah there was um there's just one video that went crazy viral where
they were raiding a house right near where one of my sober houses is.
I own a couple of sober homes.
When the cops showed up and they got the tank outside and they had a cop,
it looks like he's playing a video game,
and he's flying the drone outside the guy's window.
And I said, this is what I think's going on every time I do a shot of things.
I used to check open.
But there's really nobody out here.
And I turned around and everybody's laughing.
And that one went kind of crazy.
Hey, this is what I think's going on every time I do a shot of.
but there's really nobody there that's the craziest thing and then there was there was one but
I thought I was recording and I actually wasn't recording I was so mad they have this this tank
and the top of the tank they got the thing lift up and the snipers are like this they're trying
to get the guy to the window and the lady has a bullhorn and she's like we don't want to hurt you
and I said she's lying right and the cop I turned right say hey you know I'm going to
I'm going to arrest you in about two minutes.
Shut the fuck up.
And everybody was like a comedy hour out there.
Everybody was laughing.
And then I had another video afterwards.
It started getting dark.
So I walked over to the cop.
He was like the head of the task force and I'm filming it.
And I drew like a crude diagram.
And I put like, you know, put the pistola in the sock.
And I had like a ladder going up to the back of the house.
And I go up and I go, I think, you know, we should probably use implement this.
I've been driving working on this all day.
And he's just looked at me.
He's like, get the way from me, please.
So, yeah, just stuff like that, you know, pretty much, um, um, observational.
Yeah.
Things, you know.
And the guy with the bad hair, the, oh, that's horrible, bro.
Yeah, this guy must want to kill me.
So close to my heart, too.
We should, you should plug that in here.
You should show that video.
Me too.
Me too.
I may be here at Transplay soon.
Oh.
This guy just was just recently.
He was in, um,
I guess, a deli near my house, and he's sitting there in the front of his, the front of his hair is like this perfect spiked up, but then it's all bald behind it.
And from all the comments, it said, you know, it looks like he started getting a hair transplant.
Maybe it all fell out.
But I'm like, this guy's leading a double life because from the back, he just got like the standard horseshoe pattern.
And in the front, he's got like the Schwarzenegger, you know, spiked on the top of his forehead.
But I was kind of jealous of my, you know, I'd probably trade in my due right now just for the, you know, if I could look in the mirror and just see this spiked up, you know, you know,
Halfway down my forehead.
Everybody said, I just want to look good from this angle.
Yeah, that's all that matters.
You know what I mean?
Got the teeth, now get the fucking here.
Maybe I'll take a trip to Cherokee.
It's gonna be the best, the best home over going.
That is amazing.
That is amazing.
It's amazing.
It's a...
What it is for?
I mean, that's a...
What a work of eyes that is.
Amazing.
It's going to be the best.
So you're just recording, like, whatever you see out in Boston area, and I heard you
saying one of your podcasts, so people recognize, do people recognize the people you're recording?
Oh, I, so everybody.
I mean, years ago, like my Snapchat, I could, you know, clown on people.
Now I put a video of someone, and within 10 minutes, oh, that's my cousin.
You know, I work with him.
That's my, but this girl's like, that's my father.
I'm like, oh, I got to take this down.
Yeah, I had one last.
Yeah, I thought it was a guy.
He's walking his dog.
And he is, you know, black people have, their skin gets real dry.
It gets like ashy.
So I go, up next time I go, you better get some lotion on them ankles, my guy.
They're looking pretty ashy.
And then someone mess with me, that's my 15-year-old.
And there was like a thousand comments on.
I'm like, oh, my God.
Like, I apologize.
I took it right.
down and I had one that just went like it was going super viral I was in like this
bodega and um ordering some empanadas with this girl and these people I won't say
their race they were Indians and some of these people they don't chow they don't use deodorant
I don't know what it is I know but they they're sitting there and I sit at the table and then it
hits me and the girl I went has her shirt up over her nose and I'm like so I'm filming
and I'm like, these people, I'm talking loud, right?
I'm not, you can see who I'm talking about.
Yeah, you're not a, you're not a, what do they call that, a wilting flower?
What are they, what's the term?
I was probably saying it wrong, but yeah.
So I'm like, these people smell so bad, you know, and I'm talking, and she's like,
Mike, stop.
I'm like, no, no, you know.
So then they get up to leave and I kind of like glance at them and I go, yeah, thanks for leaving.
I'm like, you know, I said the lady, do you got any light solid here?
and that video, 7 million views in 24 hours, but the comments, and they were mostly tagging in, like, you know, Indian, Pakistani, and they don't, and then, and then boom, your post has been removed for bullying, and I'm like, oh, that was, that was the one.
Like, I've never had a post get 7 million views in 24 hours.
Like, who knows where that would have went, right?
That was 100 million views all day, and I'm just like, and the worst thing is you get like a thousand followers in, like, 20 hours.
and then they remove the post and shadow ban you for 10 days.
So nobody sees your post and your followers just start.
Because like if you look at your followers, like every day you'll gain followers.
But it's like the ones you lose just stay steady.
I'll lose like 79 followers a day.
Right.
You see this line.
And then you see it like in the last month.
They had some videos go viral and I was getting like 14, 15,000 followers in the last 30 days.
Some days a thousand followers, 600, 900.
I don't know how the algorithm works.
It must hit the Explore page.
Then a few of them start going crazy.
But the unfollows stay the same.
It's like 70 to 90 a day I lose and followers.
So when they shadow man you, you don't gain any followers.
You just lose them.
So it's like no.
And it's like, you know, like I said before, I'm 55 years old.
And I'm staring at follow account algorithms.
It's kind of like, you know, my.
This is horrible.
What does my life come to?
It started when my daughter was in like seventh grade, and these kids all started following me.
Now in high school, like she went to high school last year.
You know, and I remember it was, I was a little wild a few years back, and I was at like a rooftop hotel in a jacuzzi.
And I was, you know, I was in Columbia.
And my daughter sends me a screenshot, and it was like, she was in seventh grade.
And it was her friend saying, Jordan, do you follow your dad on Snapchat?
chat and I had just posted you know you on the the rooftop yeah so she goes no I don't
I mean I remember this text like he was yesterday and it was like Cam said he's getting head from
three girls in a jacuzzi in Colombia and I'm like and she was like I hate him so much oh it was
like a dagger it's hot so then like 10 minutes I'm like yeah you girls got to go like
and then like 10 minutes later I get a text
And it said, what did you do, delete your story?
They screen recorded it.
Oh.
And that's when I started realizing the power of social media and, you know, the extent.
And for the record, that's not what I was doing.
I wouldn't, you know, obviously put shit like that.
But, you know, they were in bikinis and a jacuzzi.
It was just, you know, it was just content.
Yeah, yeah.
It was content.
But, you know, at that point, I started realizing, you know, everybody is watching.
cops people my daughter goes to school with friends and then of course every once in a while you know
I'll get that call from a kid like I didn't I didn't go to high school but um you know I'll get a call
from somebody I hang around when I'm 15 you know what I mean and I'm like I know why this person's
calling it'll be like Mike did they call you bean shooter now yeah yeah I get these guys I work with
they love you they don't believe I know you and you know and I get them I get them a lot now so
the social media thing is and i'm sure you know there's a lot of perks to it too you know
it opens a lot of doors and you know there's some there's some good and bad but i gotta i've
kind of learned how to navigate it with you know you know if i got to think about posting something
it's usually like i'm not going to post it right because instagram removes everything oh yeah we are
first our first uh ticot got taken down you know yeah our um our instagram has been taken down before for
a few days and then like do you remember that and we didn't know what was going on and then suddenly
it showed back up again really like like we could never we never really figure or did we get an
email or we got something they must have removed the post or something no remember the details but yeah
we've had some issues yeah so um but it's it seems like it's going pretty good now yeah um
it's gonna go better after this do you uh do you get recognized when you're like out oh yeah
constantly a lot and a lot of times especially around boston when i'm
Somewhere else, and somewhere far away, someone recognized me.
It happened, you know, in another country.
Someone recognized me from a TikTok video that went.
Then, did you see the video?
I know you just looked at my TikTok with his, I'm in the Soba House.
And I go, hey, Frankie, how much time did you have you done?
And he goes 25 years.
And someone else goes 25 years.
And then I said, you, Bundy.
And he goes, about the same, 24 years.
And I'm like, I got like 13.
I go, we're almost at the century mark.
We can't quit now.
Let's go.
And someone comes up to me in a bar and he goes, hey, you'll be.
And then one was from Alabama, one was from Manhattan.
He goes, we're almost at the century mark.
Let's go.
And I was like, wow.
You know, getting a lot of times because, and I wish I did this more often, as I'm like making a video and I'm narrating it, I'll go in.
This happens all the time.
So I'll be like, keep talking.
Why do I know your voice?
I know.
Oh, I know you are.
They'll hear my voice.
Yeah.
And then they'll realize who I am.
It happened recently.
This poor lady, I went into Walmart.
And I'm buying something.
The lady goes, wait, keep talking.
She goes, I know who you are.
I follow you.
And my name's, my last name's Lee.
It's M. Lee.
And they got these little credit card ads, and they always say M. Lee on the card.
So they got up in the thing, and I'm filming her, and I'm like, zooming in on her face.
I'm like, and I go, I'd appreciate it if you stop using my name on these credit card.
And she looks like all confused, and she doesn't realize I'm filming.
I mean, she says she follows me, and I'm holding the phone up like this.
So she's like, what do you mean?
And I said, you know what I mean, you know, and whatever, and I post it.
So like, a month later, and then she might have had false teeth, apparently.
A month later, I walk in Walmart, and she goes, I hate you.
And I'm like, what do you mean?
She goes, you made me look so stupid in that video.
I'm like, I go, I'm holding up my phone.
She goes, I literally thought you had FaceTime somebody because you were talking.
I'm like, that's what I do.
and she goes, I had to ask my son what gluck, gluck meant, like, like, taking the, like, the comment, I guess the comments went kind of hard, right?
Yeah.
So I'm like, I'm so sorry, you know, I'm so sorry, and I'm so sorry, you know, I'm so sorry, you know, I leave and I'm walking around the store and now I'm really feeling bad, right?
So I'm like, I pull out the money, I pull out $100 bill, I like fold it up, I cuff it.
Now I'm looking, she was sitting with these ladies by the exit.
Now she's not there, and I'm waiting, I'm waiting.
walk over the ladies and there's like the Spanish girl where I see
have like neck tattoos I go excuse me she's like yeah how can I help you I said you
would you were sitting here with a lady a little while ago and and she
she got up and walked away and I go I've been waiting for her to come back and she
goes are you that motherfucker that posted her yeah are you that motherfucker that posted her
on social media I said yes I am that motherfucker and I go uh she goes
some reason I pictured you a lot different I go you didn't think I was
going to be this handsome did you she goes no not that so i like open my hand i show her the hundred
dollar bill i go hey listen i'm just trying to make this right right she goes all right she goes she's
on her smoke break she's either outside or listen that so i'm looking around walk a friend and i come
back right she's like no i can't take that like you're working i said listen you're taking this
right that's how this is going down you're taking this and she's like thank you and she took it and she
hugged me she goes i'll follow you again i said i removed the video you know so so i've had some you know
I had some issues like that, but at least I made that one right, you know.
Yeah, we've, I was going to say, we've had some guys who have, like, wanted us to take
videos down, like, afterward, like, you know, hey, can you take that down?
Like, are you out of here?
No.
Yeah, it's already the whole, yeah, you'd have to take down the whole.
Yeah, not taking that debt, like, like a two-hour video or, like, are you serious?
We had one guy, the member of the, do you want to tell the, the armored truck driver, the
remote armor truck.
He told a story about, um, he told the, um, he told a story about, um,
um about robbing like an ATM machine like he you know he they go and they swap out the money
yeah and it was a it was a certain like a crypto where it did crypto exchange whatever but it was
you know you put money in you could buy crypto I don't know exactly that works but he in his mind
so he's like a driver of what you like a lumice driver or something and he said in his mind he said
he came he decided that they didn't really know how much was in the machine for some reason so
one day he shows up and he just takes the money.
He and his girl...
No, never shows nothing.
They didn't...
Well, he and his girl go to Miami.
He gets there a boob job.
They have a vacation.
They come back.
He walks into work a few days later, you know, whatever, week later.
And they go, can you come in the office?
He's like, yeah, what's up?
They're like, look, do you know anything about this?
He's like, no.
And they're like, okay.
They said, look, we can't prove that you took the money, you know?
But we're, and we're not going to fire you.
And then he does the podcast.
We're not going to fire you.
you. They said, but we can make you so unhappy here. You'll wish you were fired. And they said,
what do you want to do? He goes, ah, I'll quit. And he quit. So then he could like, it's like a
couple months later. He says, yeah, man, I tell you about this thing I did. I want to come on the podcast.
I'm like, okay. And I go, you feel okay with it? You feel come. Yeah, yeah, they can't do nothing.
They didn't do anything. They like, it's fine. I'm like, okay. Comes on the podcast. We do the whole
podcast. And I mean, as soon as it comes out within, you know, the following day, you know, guys,
of course, in the comments section are like, did this motherfucker just admit to robbing this?
Like, you, that's like bank robbery. Like, what are you doing? Like, and so then within a day,
he's like, hey, man, listen, can you take the video down? I'm like, no. I'm like, that's how
I can't remove the video. It's like, well, can you blur out my face? And so Colby goes in and
blurs out his face. And he's like, can you change the name? He blurs out the name. Like, he starts, can
you then and we had to a point where it was just like yeah like no like we're done like
what are you talking about you're going to be fine if they were going to press charge first of
they'd have to press charges yeah and they didn't they're not going to and nothing ever did
happen by the way yeah so but yeah people were roasting yeah one of the top comments is um matt
please keep us posted on this guy's case um it'll be interesting to see what he pleads to
you know that you know the broad's probably long gone with a boob job oh she was she told me
she broke up with him like a week later like a week later she got the boobs she
She's like, we're done.
I had one where I actually had to remove one.
It was a Boston cop.
I called him on the phone during the podcast.
I don't tell him I'm recording live.
I go, what are you doing?
He goes, I'm just sitting here with a dead body.
So I said, oh, what happened?
And he goes, no, jumper.
I go, really?
What happened?
He goes, you know, there's a building down like calm ab or something,
like 14th floor, jumped off the building.
splattered on the sidewalk so i'm like you know i hate when that happens you know and he's like yeah me
too personally i would have took the elevator down you know so we laughed and i hung up so i don't
tell him dude the podcast comes out like two days later i go home because i'm old now i take
nap sometimes you know what i mean so i go home and i wake up and there's like 15 missed calls
from like my friend who's friends with this boston cop and this boston cop right i wake up my
daughter's like waking me up hey everyone you know and there's someone outside and it's it's this
he drove like i like i look 30 minutes like drove to lull he's at my door like dude you're gonna take
that down a few too right now like 10 minutes ago they're gonna take that down like he's like i'll get
fired you nut and then he explained to me ever since like the cobi thing where some cops like took
pictures of Kobe Bryant's helicopter like when there's like a death scene like dad yeah you know
you know and he's like are you mental you know what I mean he goes are you recording me now you
fuck i go fuck i've never
surreptitiously recorded
anybody in my life i just
you just called me during your podcast
you don't figure you wouldn't let me know so
that was the one i i had to take it down
and then put it back up but that was
you put it back out oh you
it was yeah it was a podcast
thing and he's like thank god
nobody nobody it was only on
like an hour he's like nobody saw it or
you know screen recorded it or anything he still
hasn't heard nothing so right
you know what you need um or
you should at least test is the rayband glasses.
You just click and it records.
iPhone quality and audio.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can show you some clips.
I got a pair of my car.
Shut.
It's not charged up.
Is your car locked?
Yeah.
But it recorded.
I don't think you lock your car in this neighborhood.
It'll record for like one to two minutes.
It does have, and all it is, it has like a little light on it, like a little white light
that you can see this recording.
But, um, well, you know, you know what we do with that with the black, the black electrical tape
over the white white.
And it's pretty good.
Like, I'll show you some videos.
Can you cover the light or is that right where the camera hole is, too?
I think you can, you can probably figure it out how to cover it.
But, I mean, it's not that noticeable.
I can, uh...
Or you could get that black store yesterday in the mall, too.
You could get that just a black paint pen and just tap it all.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, just, poop, is a little button on the side.
You can click, talk, and you can hear everything and, uh...
Oh, my, I'm going to take it to the next level.
Because then you don't have to, uh...
Yeah, you don't have to do anything.
Just, p.
Yeah.
Be right back in the jacuzzi.
with them three
three rows
in Columbia
the ray band's on
what's the story
maybe is just
I don't know
bean shooter
is that like a
specific term
terminology
yeah we could have
went over that
you know how much
shit I get
with that
so bean shooter
is in like
Brooklyn and Staten Island
it's like a
caper
a bullshit
or someone who's like
I went out
I fucked six girls
last night
I wrote the bank
I got a hundred
grand
I get the fuck
so when I was in rehab
in Florida
I made a kid
from Staten Island
New York
and he's like
hey Mike
don't fuck with that guy
he's a
bean shooter
And I go, what?
Well, you don't know what a bean shooter is in Boston?
I go, come on, I feel like the kids in South Park when they didn't know what a quiff was.
Like, no, I don't know what a bean shooter is.
He goes, just a cap.
Someone was always talking shit, telling lies.
So at the time, I was like calling everyone a bean shooter.
It was like a joke.
Shut up, your bean shooter.
Right.
I had my Snapchat bean shooter.
And then I didn't know my social media would have, you know, grow and grow and grow.
And then people are always asking me.
Now I'm stuck with bean shooter.
Yeah.
And my kid's mother's like, but you're the exact opposite of that.
You're the realist.
I haven't met.
I'm like, I know.
I don't know.
It slipped up as a joke.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that's what a bean shooter is.
People think all kinds of shit.
Like my daughter, my daughter was in school, kids were wearing a bean shooter
merch and they're like, I didn't know we're still gone.
Yeah.
Like, you just don't know what Colby's going to do.
They're like, you know, people can't wear, kids can't wear bean shooter shirts.
And I'm like, why not?
And then the assistant principal was there or some girl in the office is like, oh, well,
you know, the principal said he knows what it means.
I go, really?
You're poor daughter.
Yes.
You've been a real problem for her.
I remember I was, when she first went to the school, she was in like seventh grade, a sixth grade.
I go in and the secretary's in the office, and she's like, okay, thank you.
All right, all right, thanks, Mr. Lee.
And then she goes, should I call you bean shooter?
I'm like acting all proper, you know what I mean?
Like this guy, I'm trying to pull this hole.
I'm just like, ah, this lady follows me.
She knows my whole, my whole life, you know, I'm trying to act like a.
normal human being something will never be right not trying to fake it here but yeah yeah uh yeah
i was going to ask about your sister do you want to talk about that oh yeah i'd love to story
yeah all i know in the beginning you said you heard a book back or something so my sister um
i think i always outshined her as far as uh scholarly no i'm just kidding not i was just
What is what?
She always wanted to go to prison, but I was the only one.
But no, like attention-wise, you know, negative attention, whatever.
And she was older than me.
And she ended up working.
She moved to, like, L.A., and she was, like, working in Hollywood.
I don't know, maybe holding a boom, Mike.
Like, I don't know.
But she was, like, infatuated with that.
And I met this actor and that actor.
And she got on these shows.
And I was always in prison.
And years later, like, we never got along.
But it wasn't like, you know, we hated each other.
They just never close.
And then she started messaging me.
I got in this, I've been in a few high-speed chases, like, good ones, that one of them was on camera.
I ran the cruiser, and I got away.
And so she called me up.
She's like, I'm working on as a, you know, maybe production assistant.
I don't know, on the show, why I ran.
And she's like, and she's doing like you.
I wish I knew how to do these freedom of information acts.
I mean, she said, I did this thing, and there's this chase you're in, and I want to have you come in.
And my father says, like, you should get on there.
You know, they'll give you, you know, 300 bucks.
and put you up in hotel.
I go, yeah, I go on TV and look like an asshole.
Right.
Yeah, look like my kids watching it.
You look like, well, you know, I snatched a purse and I fucking, you know, like, get the
fuck out of here.
I ain't going on there for that.
And then I was in, I was in county jail and I was in segregation.
I was in the hole for a while.
And I got a letter from her.
And she's like, you know, I want to write a book about your life.
I think it'll be funny.
And she wanted me to sign some release.
And I remember a couple guys, and they're like, dude, you sign it, what if it's the best sell?
And I'm like, nah, you don't know my sister, right?
I says, so I write back, I'm glad you think my life's funny.
Right now I'm in segregation where I'm locked in a cell, 23 hours a day, you know, 24 hours a day on the weekends, three showers a week.
I says, my life's really not a barrel of laughs where I'm sitting.
I'm like, yeah, respectfully decline.
You're offered to write a book about me.
And I sent it, and she went ahead and wrote a book anyway and made it like a memoir,
I changed my name, but when you read it, you can tell it's, you know, and in the book,
it's just like the book, just the first page of the book says, my brother overdosed again.
My father come home and found him, you know, overdosed hanging out of the bathtub.
And, you know, when he came to him in the hospital, he ripped all the wires out.
And I remember I yanked a catheter out once.
So one time, I was pulling a catheter once.
A guy come in, he goes, dude, no, stop doing that.
He goes, there's like a bubble at the end.
blow it up. He goes, you could have just ripped you. I was like, well, get this thing
out. You know, I've been intubated where I pulled that out and she's in the first page
the book goes, he pulled all the wires out and walked out of the hospital in a Johnny
with my ass hanging. When you were talking about that earlier, I've literally left the hospital
a few times like your father with nothing on with the Johnny. And she goes, he walked out
of the hospital like James on S and the thing and da-da-da-d-d-iron. That time I actually
walked out of the hospital and I'm walking out with the Johnny on and there's a guy walking
I'm buying me holding up a couple of pizzas.
It's like a Domino's pizza delivery guy.
So I looked, I just saw the car running.
So I just hopped in with the Johnny on my ass hanging out.
Boom, put it in first gear.
It was a standing drove away.
I looked.
There's one of those, like, you know, those boxes?
They put the pizzas in in the back.
They're like, keep them warm.
I check it.
There's like three pizza.
I'm just driving.
I'm driving away.
My father's calling me like, what did you just do?
They called me.
What did you steal a car with a pizza guy?
I go, no.
He goes, yeah, you did.
They know, they saw you're at the hospital.
You did not.
But, yeah, so my sister just destroyed me in that book.
And when it came out, I, like, called her up.
I'm like, you know, when I see you, because she made me look really bad.
I know that's tough to do.
I know.
You didn't give her.
I didn't contribute to any of it.
There was no ammunition.
On my part.
She made it like, you know, I beat her up.
I mean, I'm two years younger there.
I don't even care if it's your sister.
When you have nine and ten, someone's 12, you're not beating them up.
You know, she really, she really made me look bad.
And she got the book published, which didn't do good at all.
Unlike Sean Wick, she didn't get no big deposit.
It was one of those self-written books.
You know, you can publish on Amazon.
So she had that book published.
And now, you know, she's living out in L.A.
And I come in my father's room one time.
And now I bought a house cash and made it to solve a home.
I got 13 guys in that house, you know, 200 a week.
I bought a second home, it's worth $700,000.
I only owe $90,000 on it.
The other one, I have no mortgage.
I get the construction company.
I opened a massage pile with someone that I'm just selling that half of the business now.
And now I go in my father's room one day.
He's like, daughter, I can't keep sending you money for your rent.
And I'm like, oh, because the book, she just trashes me in the book.
And I remember reading the comments of the book and the comments, you know, calling me a miscreant.
and one of the comments was
I might have been in the description of the book
her nerd-do-well brother.
Did you ever hear that?
N-N-N-N-N-U-L.
Do you ever hear that one?
What is that?
Nerd-do-well.
It sounds like nerd.
Nerd-o-well.
What does that mean?
Well, I mean, I don't know.
Can you tell me?
It's like N-E-A-R-A-R-A-A-R-A-A-O-W-E-L-L.
It's probably like Shakespeare-L-L-L-G-E-R.
Yeah.
D-O-D-O-W-E, should be coming up.
Oh, a nerd-do-well.
A person who is lazy, and irresponsible.
That's it.
I'm a nerd-d-well- Why would you just say irresponsible?
I didn't know what I mean.
Oh, I know.
I'm saying, why didn't she say that?
Why would you?
Yeah, all this bullshit.
And, yeah, they destroyed me.
So I ended up, I put that on my social media once, too, and destroyed her in the comments.
So I could read it.
So I've done this before.
Sean Wake, which I've already been down this road.
I will take this book down to one star.
I had my fans all go buy the book and leave legit, like a bunch of reviews.
Yeah, so one time I go in my house and I was with my girlfriend at the time.
And my father goes, I haven't heard from your sister.
And, you know, maybe I shouldn't have did this.
Maybe I shouldn't have put her phone number on my own.
Oh, man.
Instagram.
So he goes, I haven't heard from your sister.
during, you know, a month, and her phone's going right to voicemail, and I don't know what's wrong.
I go, I don't know.
And then my girlfriend goes, I know what the fucking happened.
She goes, you know, your fans drove it great.
And then all of a sudden, like, an hour later, she called.
He goes, what?
People are threatening you?
People are threatening your life?
And she changed her number.
She won't even give my father a phone number now.
She'll call him.
Like, she's afraid I'm going to get the number.
And I'm like, good.
You know, it's, you know, people might watch you go, oh, what an asshole.
But the stuff she wrote about me in that book, which, you know,
you know there were some truths but a lot a lot of untruths and so yeah now she's out in
LA and I saw one thing where she was living and it was like some apartment in Hollywood
where it was like almost like a rooming house it said one Murphy bed get the bed you like pull
out of the wall and I'm like she made me like I was such a you know she put uh oh he had a
beautiful daughter that he abandoned at birth and like she trashes me and
the book. So it's another little, like Shelly Murphy from the Boston Globe when she called me up
and was talking about Sean Hicks. You know, she's telling me a little bit about yourself.
And I was telling. She goes, well, you actually do have a redemption story. Right.
Yeah, unlike him. Right. You know, this whole, you know, perpetuating a fraud. So it's good
that now my sister, you know, I'm doing so good because she never saw it coming, you know.
Never saw it coming. Was your first order of business to make money when you get out?
Could you, could you, did you get your real estate license?
again?
Who, no.
You can never get it again or you just didn't want to?
No, I could, I could, because I have a, a felony.
Well, yeah, you can have a felony and get your real estate license.
Matter of fact, one of my co-defendants has her real estate license.
In Florida, most places you cannot get it if it's an act of moral turpitude, which
means you took advantage of like a situation or a bank.
You took advantage of having, being in a position of trust, you took advantage.
So, and mine so.
extensive like this chick has one charge of like wire fraud you know like mine is so there's so
many charges they would never they would never for good reason yeah like i don't blame them it's not
like no no i'm all better now now i hear you um yeah i don't feel like i do anything but i don't want to
be tempted um but yeah when i first got out i i in the halfway house i worked at a gym my buddy's gym
got out moved in this to a like a rooming house and the in the room like in one of the other
rooms was a um was a sheriff's like a sheriff a chick that worked for the sheriff's department
um she was going through a divorce but anyway i lived in this spare room and i i started selling
paintings you know you saw the paintings yeah i just because i did a bunch of podcast so people
reaching out to me and then they would go to my instagram they would see me paintings and stuff not
the one you not the one you're not the one i just followed you yeah not that one uh another one
it's called cox pop art so i started selling anyway started selling paintings and then that slowly
transitioned into doing speaking engagements. Oh, really? And doing the, doing YouTube.
Like, it's just slow, I mean, it's, it's amazing how it just generally, just slowly, you know,
because I didn't have to make a bunch of money when I first got out. I'm living in someone's spare
room. And you're so appreciative, too, just eating up cheeseburger from McDonald's.
Oh, man, I was thrilled. It's not thrilled. I'm laying in bed, laying in bed, you know,
on YouTube, watching a whole movie on YouTube and just happy as clamber. I'm just thrilled.
Yeah, people don't get down. People will get out. They just, like, oh, what's you going to do?
I go, you know, he's happy right now.
Trust me.
Yeah.
I'll figure it out.
You know?
Oh, I told you this is, I said this the other day.
It was like, you know, I'm slowly getting spoiled.
Like, I won't fly Spirit Airlines anymore.
I have horrible, horrible experience with that.
Back when I was doing the perk runs back and forth, never again.
Get stuck on the time act for two hours twice.
I get up, I almost got arrested on the plane.
I'm like, don't listen to them.
They're going to tell you it's going to be 20 minutes.
They don't even have their own gate.
They're going to debaboard that whole plane, fill it up, luggage.
You're going to be here an hour.
Then don't tell them you can't go the bathroom.
I had a federal macho when I get off the plane.
Yeah, I went nuts.
I'm like, it's so hot until you can't move, stay in your seat.
Like, I was like, hell no, I'm up, I'm walking around.
I can't do this with spirit.
But, you know, when you, when money's tight, like, oh, 100 bucks.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can be uncomfortable.
Yeah, I can find a phone booth.
I've been on the whole for six months straight.
I mean, I could, but little did I know, I was wrong.
I would have probably rather do the six months of flying Spirit Illinois.
I was trying to think.
What was the other thing?
I said, I can't do it.
I was like, I said, I'm done.
I can't do this anymore.
It was something else where it was like, I won't do that anymore.
There are certain things I just, I'm at the point now.
It's like, yeah, I can't do that anymore.
Yeah, I can't do this anymore.
What was, oh, man, it was, oh, man, I can't remember it.
It was something, fuck, I can't remember.
It was another stupid thing that I'm like, that's it.
I'm done.
We're not buying these anymore.
From now on, we're paying for this.
Yeah, it's not worth it.
When you were talking about the moral turpitude.
Right.
Moral turpitude?
Yeah, turpitude.
Yeah, turpitude.
I had a thing with a real estate agent in Florida.
where when I was, so when I first got out of the rehab, I was, like I said, I was in public
stealing the rain slicker, you know, the perks.
My mind is, you know, making some money.
And I ended up trying to get in an apartment.
I did a couple of things, a couple of shady things down here in Florida.
So I go to look at this apartment and I made a bunch of money.
I did a little score, had some money to get a place.
and I go to this real estate agent
so I give her this song and dance
because years ago
if you had fucking five grand in your pocket
yeah his first last security
whatever now it's like
you know they look you haven't been evicted
you got a criminal record I'm like
I've never realized it's this hard
to rent an apartment
so I go in this place
and I says hey
my father's old
and he's coming down a floor
and he sent me in here to rent this apartment
and I can put you on the phone with him
and so I thought
I was what a friend of mine, a kid from South Boston, was with me, Mikey Allen,
and we're going to see this lady, and she, you know, she likes us, and we get to talk in.
And why don't I just run your, you know, your record?
She's going to be there with him.
And I'm like, no, I got a drunk driving conviction from six years ago.
And, you know, it won't, you know, it won't.
We're trying to get away from this conversation as fast as I can about running my criminal.
Right, you should just run.
I said, no, no, it's just going to be for my father anyway.
And I look at this place, it's right near Pompano Beach.
I mean, it's right there on the beach.
It's a nice little place.
And she's renting it out.
And finally, my father and my other friend Spiro, the real estate agent, afterwards, he's talking to her on the phone.
So he signs the lease.
She faxes that everything's done, this and that.
So now I'm like, you know, trying to take her out to eat.
She's kind of cute.
You know, so I'm hitting on her.
And so finally she goes, why don't we just run your record just so we know?
So now the lease is signed, the money, the check's gone, right?
I says, lady, listen.
you run my phone through that thing
I said that printer will run out of ink
you know I mean the cat's out of you know right
I don't care I get the apartment she goes really I go oh yeah
really she goes it's like that I go yeah it's like that I said
but you know what you get nothing to worry about this is from my father
you know he doesn't have a record you already ran his
he actually got rated by the state police and I was a kid for booking
but it's a hundred years ago so
she's like now everything's fine da da da
I go back to Boston and with my friend out to eat she calls me up
Mike yeah you know her name was like Ricky I've been like Ricky say climbing it was like a
Jewish name you know I've been I just my company just had me doing ethics class I'm like I
don't like where this is going for Ricky I do not like where this conversation is going right now
I says the apartments for my father yeah no it's it's not and what I'm doing is wrong and
and it's really bothering me and so now my friend gets on the phone and he's a you know
broke a real estate agent and he's talking to her like what you did wasn't ethical i still remember
i was eating chicken pop and i'm listening to him like yeah yeah yeah and she isn't budging she says
no i'm gonna give you your money back for this apartment so i now i get on the phone and i says listen
i'm gonna be getting off a plane tomorrow and i got nowhere to stay in florida you know so you
better have a pot you know so now i kind of kick it up i think right so i get off she goes i'll pick you up
in the airport i'm gonna put you up in a hotel
for a month. It's like a nice hotel. So I'm like, well, this lady got money. I'll have your money
back. So now I says, listen, I want 5,000 I gave you. I want another 5,000. And I want a month.
Okay, no problem. Now I'm like, all right, I set the hook. Now I'm like, this lady got money.
Jesus. The extortion scam. Yes. My God. Yes. So now I get her for 10 grand. I'm in the
hotel. Call her up after like a week. I says, you know, I've been thinking about it. I really want
this apartment. I already signed that lease. And then, no, no, please, isn't that? I get it for
another three. Now it's going on, right? Now I'm with this kid, Bobby Gambino from Staten Island.
Bobby Gambino. Rest in peace, Bobby Gambino, flipping money with him. I'll tell you that scam
with him. They hit him up style scams we did down there. He was a master of it. So I show up at
her office with this kid Bobby Gambino. Now he's jacked. This is my friend Bobby Gambino. He says,
I just want to let you know.
So now I already got...
You walk in and just say Gambito.
She's already writing the check.
So now I said, I just want to let you know.
Ricky, I got no more problem with you.
I know you gave me all this money, this and that.
But she gave a deposit for that apartment that was like non-refundable.
I said, it just doesn't sit well with me that this got, you know, $2,500 or $2.
The money she put down for the place.
I think he kept the whole thing, like the $5.5.
$5,000, whatever it was, I go, it doesn't sit well with me.
So my friend here made an appointment to go, look at this apartment.
We're looking at today at 2 o'clock, and I'm grabbing this clock sucker, and I'm getting my 5 grand back.
Even though you replaced it on it, I said, it just doesn't sit well on me, but this little puk got 5 grand for nothing, and it's my money.
She's like, please no, please no, I'll lose my leg, you know, I'll lose my leg, you know, I'll give you another 5.
Oh, my God.
Bro, you're a horrible human being.
Listen, it was a tough time in my life.
Sounds like it was a tough time at her life.
So I remember I'm in the hotel and I'm like, now I'm with the kid, Mikey, I'll
with me again.
I'm like, now I'm thinking she's going to come in wearing a wire or something.
Now I'm starting to worry.
I'm like, it's getting, you know, she comes in.
Now I'm always hitting on her trying to get out to eat and I come in.
I'm sitting there watching TV on the bed.
She goes, hey, Mike, hey, Ricky.
I go, Ricky, come in, you know, come on in.
she's like, I just said, no, no, I go, I know, it's terrible.
I can see you feel horrible about it.
I just have to talk to you.
Just before I give this, I just have to talk to you.
Now I'm a little worried.
She said, this sounds like that.
I come out.
This is the last time I'm going to have to pay you, right?
No, at the end of the thing, there's like a little wash and dry in the room and she comes in.
She goes, please just do this for me.
I go, what?
And this, do this really.
happened. She goes, just raise your right
hand. You go, what? Like I was
under oath. All right. She goes, just
swear to me, I will not ask
Ricky for any more money
regarding this will happen. I'm just
like, Mickey, this
is it. Don't worry.
I'm not going to be calling
you back. Yeah.
Maybe I shouldn't have told that story.
I'm going to be like, I really like
this guy. I was ready
to invite him over the house for the
Fourth of July weekend bash, and I was shaking down my fellow real estate people.
Oh, no.
Listen, first of all, I wasn't a real estate agent.
I couldn't stay in real estate agents.
They were about useless, but, you know, mortgage brokers.
I like the mortgage brokers because they were basically shysters.
So, yeah, down in Florida, after that real estate agent, you know, treated me like that.
That was terrible.
I've gotten over it, though.
Fucking horrible.
Yeah, Bobby Gambino, they hit them up.
Hit him up style, and we used to do a form of this back home,
just like a flim-flam type of scam, you know, but it adds up.
And he would do it with banks, with like $100 bills,
and he wouldn't show me exactly how he did it.
But I knew this whole flim-flam from doing it back home is you'd go to like a drive-thru,
like a Dunkin' Donuts.
And we used to have like 50 small coffees in the back on the floor,
You'd pull up, usually some young girl working, you know, and give me a small coffee and give
him a $20 bill.
And when they hand you the change, you'd cuff the $10 bill and you just hold up the five
and the three ones and say, you only gave me change for a 10.
Right.
You know, that type of deal.
And a lot of times they just go on the register and give you 10.
Then, you know, after a while, you got someone who's been hit with it before and
they're like, you know, I bet if I go out and open your door, there's a $10 bill right there.
They start getting you.
But he'd do things like that with like $100.
bills and $50 bills in banks
and I'd be driving around him all day
and he wouldn't show me exactly what he'd do but it was
it was a slight of hand. Right.
Basically a slight of hand scam, you know,
and he was making a couple
grand a day when you go do it. But then we
started having to go on father and father and
driving around, you know. But yeah,
Bobby Gambino.
As you said, did you ever see the movie
criminal? No.
The guy, he
would go somewhere and order a coffee
and a Danish, whatever, and he'd sit there,
And then he'd, he would, he'd have somebody else go in first and buy something with a $100 bill.
But he'd tear the, the corner of the hundred would be torn off.
Oh, and he'd get his coffee and whatever, he'd pay with a 20.
And then he'd come back and he, or, or he wouldn't pay at all.
And he'd say, hey, you know, hey, hey, you know, Jim, he'd go, to the waiter, he'd go, where's my change?
And they would say, he'd go, oh, you haven't paid yet.
he goes, I just paid you.
I just paid you with a $100 bill.
Where's my change?
And the guy would be like, sir, you did not pay me.
So he throws the scene and the manager comes over and he goes, I just paid him.
He goes, he walked off.
He's gone for 10 minutes.
I just paid him with $100 bill.
And he's like, look, I'm telling you, I had a $100 bill.
Now I don't have it.
Oh, look, there, I got a corner.
The corner fell off.
I'll bet you if you check the register right now, you got $100 bill in there with a corner.
That's where I'm, he didn't bring me my change.
So the manager goes and checks it and there's a hundred.
dollar bill with the corner and so he gives you the change for whatever you got and leave even if they
think it's a scam they can't really explain he's throwing such a fit yeah you know he's like call the
cops call the cop like if the cops show up this doesn't sound good yeah yeah and then they they give him the
change he leaves he goes from one place to another to another he just doesn't he had all these scams
all day long that he would just do um it's really an interesting movie i mean he in the end he gets
scammed but boy it's a good movie really when you'd love it too you'd love this movie too when did that come
criminal. I never even heard of it.
10, no, maybe 10, 15 years.
It was like any flick or was it big?
It was, so the guy in it is a, he's a main actor, but he's typically a secondary actor.
He's the main actor in this.
So he was like, you remember in stepbrothers?
Yeah.
He's one of the stepbrothers.
Oh.
In Talladega Nights, he's his best friend.
He's the guy with the curly hair.
Yeah, John C. Riley.
Is that him?
Yeah.
He's the main criminal.
And he's great.
He's great.
He's good.
He is good.
All day long, he's just one scam after another.
Like, he pulls up and gets gas, and then he waits for some woman to, you know, move or car, do something.
And he falls down.
And he's like, you just hit me with your car.
What did you do?
She's like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry.
I didn't see you.
And he's like, oh, what's going on?
He ends up getting her to pay for his gas.
Like, it's like, why do this whole thing for $20 in gas?
He's like, why pay for gas?
Yeah.
You know, like he's, but he does it all day long.
He's got these little tiny scams.
Yeah, they add up.
And we'll take that story that Matt just said and make it a TikTok, like he's telling
that, like he did it or he knows somebody that did it.
Yeah.
And then it'll go viral because all the comments will say, this guy's repeating the movie.
He's just staying the part of the movie.
That didn't happen.
Listen, if we say a TikTok, if we, if there's a TikTok where I sound like I'm lying
about something or.
people go nuts like if you watch the whole video you realize i'm telling you a story about
this guys would be like that's a lie that he's talking about a movie that's the moose script there
that he never did nothing they doesn't know anything he doesn't know that crazy with the comments right
but that'll end up getting two million views yeah that's the traction right people uh people
sat talking and sending it to everybody else and yeah it's like half the people think it's it's
it is an interesting story half the people think it's in the other half are enraged in the
comments like yeah you know right and then they start art then i love it when the guys
stand up for me.
And they're like, bro, you don't,
you didn't watch the whole thing.
He's not saying that to his story.
And then, you know,
or, you know, this is Matt Cox.
He knows what he's talking about.
And they're like, they'll defend me.
And it's like, no, he's right.
That's not my story.
Like, why are you defending me?
Yeah.
It is somebody else's story.
So Tijuana.
T.J.
Yeah.
We got to get to this story.
I know.
Oh, my God.
Hitch.
I keep forgetting about Higgs.
I just text my wife.
I was like, you might have to go pick up.
So, I don't know how long.
My four-year-old might have the Uber home.
Yeah.
So Tijuana, and have you ever been to Tijuana?
No.
I've been to Acapocco.
I've been to Cozum.
But, yeah, just tourist places.
Like, I've never been.
Yeah.
Any places potentially dangerous.
Yeah, I go to the dangerous places.
You know, people like, you know, in the slums and many yin or something.
I'm like, you know, that'll be great for the story, you know.
You know, you can die with a knife in your belly in the gutter and Medell.
It's better than, like, being in some old age home, not knowing, like, not knowing who the
I am, you know what I mean?
I remember we went to, I was on the run and we went to, we went to Jamaica, State of the Ritz.
And remember we took a taxi somewhere and we're in the taxi.
We're like, hey, we want to go someplace like not touristy, like a regular town.
Like, what's the closest town?
The guy was like, oh, it's so-and-so.
And we were like, yeah, we want to go there.
And the guy looked back at us.
He goes, no, you don't.
And we're like, yeah, he's like, no, you're not going there.
He's like, I'm not taking it.
I don't go there.
He said, if I took you there and dropped you off, he said, you wouldn't last five minutes.
Like, what was there another town that's safer?
He said, you're in the town that's safer.
He said, the tourist towns.
And he named off the tourist towns.
He's like, that's where you can go.
He was like, don't get cute.
One of the last times I went to Bogartown in the airport, and I know this family that lives
in this neighborhood in Bogartown, I get in the taxi like the Uber and he knows where I'm going.
He turns around, he says, you know, you know, you know,
where you're going yeah he says well there's not a lot of tourists that go to that part of town
i'm like yeah yeah yeah and you know he's thinking this idiot did something thinking there's a hotel
or something you know he has no clue and he drives me to the street and i get out and i'm knocking on the door
and uh people i know weren't there i need to call them and then they come out from down the street
and they got two places there and he sat there in the car it was like 11 at night and then he drove
away like after when he saw someone come out like that me i'm shaking my hand i'm like that was cool
though. Yeah, you're thinking, this guy's going to get hurt.
Like, I'm, I better not, I don't want to abandon him.
Yeah, so, you know, that was nice.
You don't look like somebody who.
That fits in there. Yeah.
Like, it's not like you're going to blow up. He'll blend in.
And what was I going to say? Oh, Tijuana.
Getting back to Tijuana. I was in Tijuana one night.
And my friend, like my friend Greg lived in San Diego, so I used to go there a lot.
And there's an area, Arizona, Norte, north zone where
there's some strip clubs down there
and I was in a club
out of leaders and when I got there
there was this guy who was like a hick
you know he was from like Kentucky
and he's like hey do you know you know
I want to see like the donkey shows
and you know all that shit people say that
they hear the stories like oh listen buddy
I'll take you where you want to go
to the strip club
and Hong Kong club and out of leaders
and I was doing the credit card scams
at the time right so I had on like
I remember I had a Mavado watch
like with a diamond in it
and like $3,500, and I had these like a track suit.
I'm a big track suit guy.
I can picture you.
You know, I come back.
I'm going to get you a nice track suit, right?
Yeah, oh, yeah.
We're going out like stepbrothers.
We're going to, you know, track suits.
So I got this track suit.
And a lot of times when I go to places like this, I get the zipper up pockets.
Because, you know, the scams, the pick pockets, and especially your phone, especially in this day and age.
They get your phone vacation over.
Your whole life's on that time.
I know.
Like game over.
I'm going home if my phone gets parked.
So I got, like, my right pocket, I got, like, $3,500 bucks or, like, a rubber band around it.
And this pocket, I probably got, you know, $40, 50 bucks.
I'm buying beers, one dollar bills change.
You know, I'm not pulling out a knot until you want to, you know, buy a couple of aces.
So I take him into the strip club, and it's like a whole house, you know, upstairs.
You went to Rome.
It's like, whatever.
So the guy comes to me, and he says, hey, I want to take these girls upstairs.
And he goes, I don't know, I need another 40 bucks.
and, you know, I should have just gave it to him.
But he's like, can you come with me across the street to the ATM?
I don't know this neighborhood.
And something like, all right, you know, I walk outside with him.
And right when I walk outside, you know, a couple of street urchings, you know, coming over to me.
And one, he was definitely white guy.
Looks like he lived in the streets of Tijuana forever.
Spoke fluent Spanish with this other Mexican.
And you can go in the pharmacies down there.
But like on Revolution, where all the tourists go,
You can get like volumes and clonopins, but back then it was the OC80s, the Oxycontins were out,
and I was stopping around again, you know, so I'm like, hey, what can you get the OCs for?
Because they're talking to me.
And one of them's like, oh, I can get them for like, you know, eight bucks or 12 bucks.
I forget what he said.
And I'm like, and then the other one goes, get him for 30 bucks, because they were like 80 apiece on the street back.
So I'm like, all right, this guy's telling the truth.
This guy's just trying to rob me.
So I'm talking to him.
And as I'm talking to him, I see the federalies rolling across the street.
And they pull over, and one of them jumps out, and it's like a far away across the street.
He's sprinting towards us, like he's running a 50-yard dash.
And now, at the time, I'm thinking, oh, you know, one of these guys, you know, they must be looking for, no.
I might as well have a neon sign on my head flashing, you know, big money sign.
Gringo standing here in the, you know, bad neighborhood.
He charges me, boom, the federal car whips around.
He grabs me, and he, like, almost like, picks me up.
like slams me on the hood of the car immediately cuffs me in the front like what the fuck right
right so now they they get the other guy coming out of the ATM he was getting money and uh
the other two guys now they they they he unzips my pocket i'm looking down i see him take out the
knot uh-huh that's gone yep zips it back up goes in this pocket i remember he throws it's all
ones and like some change and then he takes a bunch of it puts it in his pocket
and he takes five two ones and a bunch of quarters I had and he scoops it up and his hand goes back in my pocket and he zips it back up
and I just remember looking down thinking wow that's it's kind of strange I mean why the fuck you give me that so
he stuffs me in the car and the other guy I'm wit and these these two fucks right so now I'm like
I had just gotten out of prison and I live with my father my father would always take me back in
And I told them I was going over some girls' house in New Hampshire for a few days.
And I fly because I'm meeting my connection down in Tijuana and I'm starting the drug thing over again.
That's my whole mission, that's why I'm there.
You know, so he doesn't know where I am.
And it was January 15th, even 2000, 2001.
That's my father's birthday January 15th.
And I'm in the back of this con.
The first thing I'm thinking is I'm just not.
I'm not calling my father.
On his birthday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, I'm not in New Hampshire.
I'm actually in Tijuana, jail.
And I need someone.
So I'm just now, I'm fired up.
Somewhere along the line, we lose the dirty-looking gringo.
And it's me, the other guy and this little Mexican dude who, after he really, he set me up.
You know, he works with the cops or whatever.
He can speak English.
He can speak Spanish.
So now he says, I know how we can get out of this.
So I'm cupped to the front now.
I whip my arms up.
I said, don't say we to me, you motherfucker.
Because I'm already thinking I'm going to jail and I'm going to fight someone right away.
Right.
I'm getting this out of the way.
Because like you said, you look at me.
Like an opi, you know, I'm like, I'm going in a prison mode immediately.
Right.
And I'm fighting someone as soon as I get in the hold and so probably get me.
I didn't think opi, but I just thought you're not Mexican, clearly.
So I got the, I got the elbow up.
Now the clock turns around.
Oh, you're a tough guy?
You're a tough guy?
I'm like, no, I'm not a tough guy.
You're a Marine?
Because a lot of Marines in San Diego.
And they go over there and get drunk and they're always getting in trouble.
You kept asking me, you're a Marine?
No, no, I'm not a Marine.
I'm not a Marine.
So now the other guy from like, you know, Podunk, Kentucky, what'd we do?
What'd we do?
He keeps crying.
I'm like, so finally, like, just shut the fuck up.
Like, we're in the back of a police guy in Mexico.
Like, let's just see how this plays out, you know.
Oh, what do you do?
Pulls us all out.
He's really, you know, roughhousing me.
Slams me off the car again for some reason he's got, you know, get it off me.
He unzips my pocket.
He sticks his hand in.
He throws it on the hood of the car.
It looks like a half ounce of, like quarter ounce of, like quarter-ounce of a,
with my five and two ones and change, right?
And he says, oh, you're in a lot of trouble now, my friend.
You know, and he's looking at him.
So now I'm cuffed, and I'm just staring at him.
Like, I know he wants me to start groveling, you know.
That ain't mine.
I never saw it.
You know, he just planted it on me, right?
So I'm just like, I'm just looking at him.
I'm not saying a word, like, all right, you know, where do we go from here?
So now the other guy, oh, why did you, should have told me you had that?
I'm just like, just shut the fuck up, you.
I don't even know you.
I'm in this old GM because of you because I'm a nice guy, you know.
He said, shut the fuck up.
So now I'm going back and forth at him.
They throw us back in the car.
Turns around.
He says, who has the ATM card?
So now I speak up.
I says, hey, man, I don't got no bank card.
I don't got no ATM card.
I had a pocket full of money that you've got.
All right?
So you can talk to him about ATM cards because I don't got one.
Oh, I have one.
So now they take him.
most of the ATM,
what I mean, max you can take out $400, $400 again
before they shut him off.
They get his money, he's gone.
Now I'm driving around with this little fuck who set me up
and like we drive down a block, take a right,
we see the cop who's in the car, like running full speed
across the street, grabbing somebody up against the wall,
shaking them down.
I feel like I'm tripping on asses.
It's like a movie like, this guy's going to be flying on meth,
this little dirty Mexican cop, you know?
This federali.
He's running around, we're driving around.
finally he gets back in
so I tell him again
I go hey man
you got me for all you can get
you're driving around
and drive around
now they're speaking in Spanish
now I'm scared
you know I start thinking crazy
take you in a hotel
cut your head off fucking
right who knows
like I'm thinking all this crazy stuff
right you know no one knows where I am
except these Mexicans
who gave me a cell phone the day before
I told me they're gonna call me
the sales restaurant time
that's when this was
so I'm driving around
now he starts heading
And like on the highways, they sat heading towards Rosarito, Mexico.
Now I'm really scared.
Like, hey, man, take me the Tijuana, one of jail.
Like, where are we going?
And they're talking in Spanish, talking in Spanish, talking in Spanish, like an hour driving.
I'm freaked the fuck out now.
Like, they're not taking me to jail.
And take me somewhere and shoot me in the head.
If I had they get off driving through this barrio, it's like bad.
Now it's like three in the morning.
People in the street.
I mean, it's like the slums.
All of a sudden he turns around and he says, you're lucky.
And he gives the guy the handcuffed key next to me, a little Mexican.
I go, yeah, I'm real lucky.
I'm going to play the number tonight as soon as I get back to civilization.
So he goes, here, gives him the handcuff key.
Now I got this track suit on long sleeves.
He pulls up the sleeve to take the cuff off.
I got the Mavado watch.
Now I'm not thinking nothing.
So he's around with the keys like, now he's speaking in English for my benefit.
It's like watching a B movie.
He's like, I can't get this key to work.
And then I caught in the front's like, these people, they're so.
stupid i'm like the fuck's happening right now like i know something's way off like they're speaking
they're just speaking in spanish for a half hour and uh and he opens the door and he like he like feints
like he hits the guy in the stomach of the billy club the guy's like oh it's like really it's
like watching a bad movie then he pulls up my thing and he it's like if i just reached over and
just undid you watch and just ripped it off your wrist i was like oh you're little motherfucker
you know and he says it again he goes you're lucky the fuck out of here i go hey man two things
He said, like, what?
I said, you took my cell phone.
There was no cell phone towers in Tijuana in 2000.
Right.
You'd leave California.
You go across the border, your cell phone don't work.
They didn't work, you know?
And they gave me that phone the day before,
and they were going to call me the next day with some drugs and, you know,
I took a train back.
I said, hey, listen, man, my mother's sick in the hospital, you know.
That's the only phone you can reach me on.
It's no good to you.
Because what else?
I said, I don't know where the fuck I am, man.
He turns around
He reaches in the car
And he flings the phone at me
It's me in the chest
Bends on
I pick it up
I go thank you
He goes see that street down there
Take a right
Borders that way
Three miles
Good night
Gets and the con drives away
I'm like
So here I am
In a blue track suit
Wider than a cup of milk
Jogging through this
neighborhood in Tijuana
I get to the border
I'm like
People are still coming across
Three four in the morning
I literally were at you know
USA
I literally got to
Cut down, kiss the ground.
People looking at me like, I said, it's been a bad night.
Right.
It's been a bad night.
Do you still have your ID and everything?
Yeah, so.
Okay.
The next day, speaking of IDs, I'm like, fuck this.
I want to get some OCDs still.
Right.
So I drive over to Santa C.
Drive, port of entry.
The Santa Ana winds blow in once a year.
It's like 120 degrees.
It's hard as balls.
I got pants on.
I go, switch to a pair of shorts.
I'm going to shoot over to T.
and get some oxies.
When I change my pants, my ID's in the back.
Dude, I go into Tijuana, get a bunch of pills,
get a bag of pills, got a thorn my thing.
I'm walking back across the port of entry.
Then I'm like, my ID, I'm like, oh, my God.
Now I'm in line.
There's all military, you know, throughout looking at me, like ID.
I'm like, hey, I left in my car.
Boom, come with me.
They put me in this room with, like, you know,
15 Mexicans that got caught trying to sneak across or whatever,
and I'm sitting there and it's all, you know, the federal support of entry.
So now I'm sitting there and those little blue plastic chairs that are like linked together
and there's like five makesings all looking at me, a bunch next to me.
They come out, they're like, yeah, Rodriguez, you know.
I see the cop foot on the white rubber gloves.
They walk in the bathroom and like, oh, my God.
You know, they're stripping people, you know, shaking them down.
I got this big bag of OCA's.
I just got out of prison.
The night before I went through this whole rigamarole.
So I'm like, fuck
So now I'm like
I want to pull the drugs out
And wedge it in the seat
But now I'm worried like
You're right dear
Right
You know hey you know
They'll do anything to get out
So now I'm like sitting there
My hands in front of me
And I got like my finger
You know
Hooking in and I got the baggy
I pull it out
I'm like wedging under the seat
And they come in they're like
Lee I get up
They don't even take me in the bathroom
And search me
I'm just like
Got me in the thing
They do the retina scan on the thing
He's like
Hey, see you've been arrested
of a drug trafficking.
I go, yeah, he goes, you just got
a prison?
I go, yeah, I already did.
He goes, what are you doing in Tijuana?
He's vacationing?
I go, yeah, pretty much.
It's like U.S. military, you know?
Like, shut the fuck up.
So then he's clicking the thing.
And I got arrested once and defaulted
in New Hampshire and Nashville, New Hampshire.
And he goes, what's up with Nashua?
It's pronounced Nashua.
I said, oh, man, that was an old default.
I cleared that up.
He said, get the fuck out of here, man.
I walked out, I'm like, I'm never going back to Mexico.
I'm never going back.
Do you leave the pills?
The pills are gone.
Yeah.
Hey, listen, when your movie does come out,
I'm going to be hitting you up for a little, I want to go to the red carpet, like,
screening, just random bean shooter invitation.
You want.
I'll show up solo.
You got to have a...
Jim Schuett's on a baseball hat.
There's not going to be a movie.
But we got to have a part in it, right?
Like, I got to have, like, you know, it would be a half a lairs.
would it be to um who is this steve domingo great story you know it takes so long to get the movie
off the ground and film about time it comes out i know it's getting late in the game right but you know
55 you know what can happen you know how many times i've been through the whole process of the
the production meetings and this and that and now i'm at the point where the guy i'm i'm with now
which honestly i'll be honest with you since i've gone through for i've gone through this for about
about i didn't do anything for the first year or so i didn't even entertain it yeah
But it's been about three years now that I've started to entertain possibly getting my movie done or movie done.
This is the first guy that I actually, he's got me convinced something's going to get done.
He's got me like, that's how good, like, I don't know if he's just that, you know, most of these con, our producers are practically con men.
But he's got me convinced and he's got a bunch of big movies out, right?
Oh, yeah.
Like, for instance, Walberg is who they were, we were in discussions with Walberg and also the guy, this guy Lawrence, who did all of the.
the Quentin Tarantino movies.
He produced all of the Quentin Tarantino movies except for one.
So, and I've had, to keep in mind, I've had meetings with these guys.
I've had, when I went to L.A., I had the guy Lawrence, I had breakfast with him.
Like, oh, it's, so he's close.
And here's the thing.
Did you ever see Succession?
No.
It's a series, it's a series on, I want to say HBO.
I could be, it might be Amazon.
I think it's HBO.
So it's a series that's ran for like five years.
It's still going.
Well, one of the main characters is,
a guy named uh, uh, uh, Karen Kalkin. You know, McCauley Kalkin? It's his brother.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a, yeah, the Irish spelling. I thought he was saying Karen like a
girl, but no, no, he's, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's about to win. Like, they're, they're, like,
he's, some movie just came out. It hasn't hit theaters. I think I read something about it
originally. So any, he's, he's, he's, like, five foot six. He's like, and I used to
joke all the time saying, I won't accept anybody to play me that's, that's taller than five
six, like, but they really found a guy that's, and this guy, like, he's, like, huge. So they,
Man, sounds good.
Well, yeah, but when they went to them, it was like, hey, we want to do a limited series based on my book.
Well, they're not doing limited.
Like, most places don't want to do limited series anymore.
So when they, we went to, when the producer went to them and pitched it and told my story and I had a meeting with his manner, the whole thing, they were like, look, we've been told by Amazon, by, you know, like, starts naming off all the places, right?
Amazon, Netflix, like they don't, they're not, they're shying away from.
limited series because they're just not doing well and karen doesn't want to do a series because
he doesn't want to be tied like he's tied into this series now it could go for five more years you know
he doesn't want to be tied in he really wants to do a movie yeah they said but if you think you can get
a limited series done that's fine so the producer said i can get that done so he turns around he
contacts he knows like he knows the main guys for HBO like he just picks up the phone calls them
they call them right back got on the phone with like four of them and he said all
of them said, if he's in it, we'll do the limited series. He said, the problem is, is they said,
but I'll be honest with you. We have so many in production, and we're trying to shy away with it.
If you want to get something done quickly, we're moving to full-length feature films.
They said, and he's like, yeah, but feature films are dead. And they went, no, they're not.
They said all the statistics that are making a huge comeback. And he was like, and also the guy
that's writing. That's good news, you know, but it's so much work, right? It's so different when you
already locked into this.
no no it's good but so I'm saying like we for the past three months I've been working with a screenwriter on a series now they're saying no no it worked it now we've got a better chance to do in the film so let's switch it to a film which honestly the guy who's writing in the screenplay can polly a lot of that into the
and he honestly he's written several screenplays yeah that are they're all films there's one right now called monkey man he wrote it there's one called life of pie he wrote it he's an Indian guy yeah he's huge
Turned a Life of Pie.
And everybody loves this guy.
And he's a super nice guy.
So they're like, look, he's better, he's more prepared or better at writing movies.
And if we go and say, hey, Life of Pie, Monkey Man, which is, by the way, trending, like, it was, like, number one.
What is that?
What's that about?
They took a, they took a, like, a comic book hero.
And it's kind of like a John Wick for Indians, an Indian John Wick.
Good movie.
I mean, we went and saw it because I knew he was going to write, write it.
So my wife and I went and sat in the theater.
We watched the whole thing.
We're like, like, and when he asked me about it, what do you think?
I said, I'll be honest with you.
I said, it was about 15 minutes too long.
I said, other than that, he's like, well, he's like, what do you think?
Well, like, he was the fighting scenes.
And I went, yeah, I said the fighting scenes.
It's too much.
It gets to be too much.
Like, you know, the guy gets thrown off a fucking, you know, they throw him into a wall.
They gets hit by a car.
He jumps up and, like, stop.
And he says, listen, he says, I have nothing to do with the fighting scenes.
He's like, I'm not, I didn't choreograph them.
They would have never been that long.
He's like, you know, but the story, I was like, no, the story's great.
I love the character.
I love the whole thing.
Anyway, so now what they're doing is they're revamping it and they're saying, look, let's move it to be a movie.
The problem is also my, they keep wanting to include my prison story.
What happened to me in prison, writing all these guys, true crime, whatever.
You know, I'm like, my criminal records spans.
nearly 10 years.
No, we're talking about three or four years prior to going on the run,
four, and then three years on the run.
Like, it's seven, six or seven years.
Yeah.
And you want to take it all in a one thing.
And then, and then the prison is in prison.
Come on.
Like, what are you doing?
Like, it's too much.
And they were like, no, I feel like we can, we want to at least introduce it.
And I'm like, okay, you know, I don't know how it's done.
Whatever.
And they'll trust me, Matt, we can do it.
He's the perfect person to do it.
He's very good at, okay, okay, like, I don't give me shot.
I just want something.
Yeah, let's get the ball rolling.
I'll be in shock if something happened, in shock.
Not because of them, but because you get dragged so long.
And how many great movies, how many times-
Yeah, you're jaded by all of it.
How many times have you been in the movies and watched a movie and said, how the
how the hell did this get done?
Because the truth, like, this sucks.
Like, because the truth is, movies don't get made the way you and I think.
It really is my, my cousin, Paul, is married to so-and-so.
and they're friends with Jimmy.
And it just happens that Tommy got fired and he was ready to do a movie.
And guess what?
Brad Pitt bumped into so-and-so at the concert and told him about it.
He's signed on.
Next to, you know, some piece of shit's getting made.
Sean Wicks.
Yeah, exactly.
And you're like, I've got an amazing story.
Like, and it's not exaggerated.
And it's not bullshit.
That's what you're going to say.
It's a real story.
It's a real story.
It's not.
Even the stories that I tell, like, first of it, like, there's articles about what happened,
but even some of the stories that I tell, and I tell the story, I even stop sometimes, like,
the story of the people in Starbucks, remember, the two people that see me, and I'm in my, so two people
recognize me in Starbucks, and I get in my car, one of them follows me outside, and he's standing
there with holding a bunch of coffees and shit, and I'm in my car, and I know he's staring at me,
but he's from my apartment complex.
So I think he's following me because I hadn't paid my rent yet.
So I figured, oh, maybe he's trying to serve me.
Like, I don't know how it works in Charlotte, North Carolina.
And so I got my seatbelt on.
I start my car.
I'm sitting here.
And all of a sudden he starts screaming.
He's right here.
He's right here.
What happened was out of the two people, one of them left the Starbucks, went across the
street to where my apartment complex was.
U.S. Marshals had just interviewed them about me.
So she runs in and says he's right next door.
They run across the street.
they're running towards the back of my car he screams he's right here and i look in the rear of your
mirror and i'm like and i hit the hit the gas i tear off right yeah that sounds very excited that's
exactly how it happened i always stop and preface it by wait it but wait a minute that sounds
exciting but the truth is like i know how that sounds that sounds like i fish tailed and i'm driving
down charlotte in downtown pulled out and cars are swerving there's there's right but i mean
Like, that's how it sounds, but that's not what happened.
You were just gone.
These guys are 100 feet away.
I'm already pulling.
I'm already looking.
I know traffic is cleared.
All I really did was when the guy said something, I was like, oh, fuck.
And I hit the, and I hit the gas.
And I drove off.
I was already driving off.
It sounds dramatic.
You just tell the truth.
You don't get to remember it.
Right.
Oh, this time I crashed into something.
No, you just.
I'm not adding.
But it's still, you know.
My car couldn't have even fished out.
Federal Marshals are right there.
Someone screaming is right here and you took off.
It's exciting enough.
It is.
You don't have to.
Don't do that.
You don't need the Steve McQueen bullet.
Right.
I didn't, I didn't T.J. Hooker run and do the hood slide.
And then my car couldn't have even fish.
What was it brought in T.J. Hooker?
I don't know.
My car couldn't have fishedailed anyway.
It had that posy traction, you know.
But I know how it sounds when I tell it.
So I always stop and say, don't get a twisted.
I know how it sounds.
That's not, you know, I was already pulling out.
Like, I don't want you to think I'm, you know, because trust me, if I was to exaggerate,
I'd be six-foot tall, a little better-looking.
Like, there'd be a whole slew of things I'd change.
Like, I wouldn't mention all the times I'd fuck up.
Yeah.
But Hollywood would juice that up a little.
Oh, they will.
And they can do whatever they want.
Yeah, who gives a fuck.
I just, I would love to see it happen.
Yeah.
But I know how.
I think you're close now, though.
Right?
That's how.
I felt like I was close for three years.
Yeah, but this guy.
This guy.
The guy is.
And every time I talk with them, that's why I hate con men.
Because you feel so comfortable with them.
And they sell you out the second it ain't good.
They need to return your calls.
They're the worst.
That's the production companies.
They'll call you back at 2 in the morning.
Hey, I'm here for you.
Anytime.
You need this, you need that.
Then the second it dies out.
We're going to have weekly meetings.
You don't hear from them.
It's crazy.
I just had this one thing with the reality show, the, you know, the sizzle reel and all that.
This guy had me like, everyone loves it.
Discovery already loves it.
It's a short thing.
Go away.
Go on vacation.
Last thing you're going to worry about is us selling this.
It's a done deal.
They always love it.
They always love it.
Everybody thinks you're amazing.
We're talking to Tom next week.
where Jennifer's on vacation, don't worry, the team's getting together.
You know, but if I hear one more person say the team, I'm losing on a motherfucker.
I mean, I was, but this guy was cool because when I talked to him, I told him all that up front.
You know, we had a conversation.
I said, look, here's the problem.
And I just went through everything.
Here's where I've gone through.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
I said, and by the way, don't do this to me.
I said, I'm going to give you a heads up.
I said, do you know how many times people have told me that, oh, by the way, we only do 18-month options.
nobody does options less than that and that nobody pays for for for options nobody pays you just
sign the option agreement nobody's paying anymore i said because i can tell you right now i said i just
sold an option i go so the moment someone says that to me i know they're lying piece of shit yeah
you're bullshit i said so the moment i said i don't give a fuck you don't have to give me 25 grand
but you got to give me something yeah and he guy came back immediately like boom here's the offer
here's this we won't even sign a option we'll do nine months it's not even an option matt it's just
you give me the right to shop it if somebody else comes along fine take it he's like just let me
his and by the way here's some money and i was like wasn't a lot of money yeah so what doesn't matter
it was it was a little it was nice and i was like let's me because nobody walks away from five or 10 grand
i don't care if you're a millionaire you don't want nobody wants to lose five grand 10 grand they just go
it doesn't matter if you're a multi-millioner so i want you to put up something those guys all the
more right guys are all the money so anyway yeah so i totally feel
That's how I do feel like something might happen.
Yeah.
Maybe.
That'll be exciting.
I'll be excited for me.
Just, you know, knowing you're shooting the show where you hear, like, wow, this is a cool, you know, it's a cool thing.
You know, it would be the worst, though.
Well, not the worst, but this is how I really feel.
If Kobe's heard me say this, we'll go through all the prep.
I'll help work on the screenplay.
We'll do the whole thing.
I'll go out.
They'll be filming it.
I'll meet the actors.
People will be great.
They'll fly me out.
We'll do the whole thing.
And then it'll actually hit the big screen and you'll watch it.
And you'll be like, eh, it's all right.
It sucked.
I couldn't imagine
That's why like I try and enjoy the process
Because I know
You know nobody goes to the movies
And it's like
It was amazing
Everybody walks out like
Fuck like they cut this
They did this
So when they filmed the movie about my friend
Mickey Ward the fight at Walberg
Right so Walberg did a thing on a
A guy from Philadelphia
Can't think of his name right now
Pepi Ali whatever it was
He played for the Eagles
He was like some walk on
He tried out practice
It's like this cinderel
It's a great story.
Great, great movie.
But it was like one of them.
It was at the movies.
It went straight to video.
And I was in prison.
And when I heard they were doing the Mickey movie, The Fighter, I'm like, I was thinking
of that movie, like, you know, it'll probably be okay.
I mean, Walberg's in it.
So it's got to be decent, right?
This and that.
And then it come out and they're winning Oscars.
And I was just like, the movie blew up.
You know, I couldn't believe how good it did.
And I was in prison and it sucked.
It was filming the whole thing around my way.
I know everyone.
And then I got out after.
It was already, it already blew up.
Was the fighter the one where his brother had been a fighter?
Yeah.
And he got some of the best friends.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
In the indie, he turns around.
He hits him in the kidney and knocks him out with like a kidney punch.
Yeah.
So he does a body shot.
I saw that in prison.
Really?
And he's in the guy.
There's a prison scene.
Yeah, there's a prison scene where the guy's in prison talking to like his, his brother while he's
fighting like, you got to do this, you got to do that.
He's in prison.
We're in prison watching the movie.
And I just thought, this is insane.
Yeah.
My life is like, this is ridiculous.
Yeah, that's who got me in the rehab in Florida.
Oh, yeah?
That's who took me there, drove me there and did all that, yeah.
That's a good friend.
I owe him everything.
Yeah, I owe him everything.
Do you know any details about that movie, like anything that was like exaggerated or?
You know, there's a few things.
Dickie always gets mad at one seat and he jumped out a window.
He's like, it wasn't the second story.
It was the third, you know.
But they really made the sisters look really bad.
And they're, you know, they're a little crazy, but, you know.
And you know what, I'll tell you, man, a few of them are really pretty.
I mean, we're all older now, right?
They're not pretty.
Oh, my God.
They made them look like the Adams family.
Like, you know, they really, really trash the sister's bad.
And, yeah, that wasn't, yeah, no, they didn't look that bad.
I'll say that about the movie, but everything else was pretty much spot on.
The problem with the movie is you're taking like 10 hours of film time and you have to condense it into two hours.
So they end up conflating like three characters.
where the guy's saying one thing
you're like,
he never said that.
That was so and so.
I understand,
but we can't have
40 different characters.
We have to take those 40 different characters
and get them down to like 10.
And we have to cut scenes.
And like,
that was a year later.
It doesn't matter.
I can't,
we can't span,
show the span of a year.
We have to make it sound like it happen right away.
You think, like,
if they do your movie,
that they would take all the women
and take them to be one?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I bet the women are all going to be smoke shows.
I bet they were all high.
the girls that you were running with.
See, I hear, you know what the problem is?
I thought they were hot.
I know, every time I'm like, no, man, she was hot.
Guys are like, bro, that chick is not hot.
And I'm like, I thought she was pretty.
Like, first of all, my standards may not be as high as everybody else.
You know, like, you know, everybody's like, they think I'm, I'm dating a supermodel.
And you have to understand what you're dealing with here.
Like, I'm not six foot.
I'm not Brad Pitt.
So, but yeah, I mean, I thought they were attracted.
But what I think they'll do, I only, I only say this because I've actually
should be talking with the screenwriter soon at some point if we figure out if this guy's
going to sign on is that what I think they're going to one of the things they're going to have
to do is they're going to my first arrest they will most likely have to just get rid of it
completely it's minor and probably that so there's some things it's like you know what if we
remove me being married you know like me being married with a kid gone because that takes
That's even if you, that's five or ten minutes of screen time.
No, it makes sense.
Everything you're saying.
Like, just get to a, you know, a little bit of a great story, then the meat and bones of it.
Exactly.
You start as late into the story as possible, get out as early as possible.
Like, that's what they're going to have to do.
And they can do a couple of flashbacks, which is kind of like, like, catch me if you can, right?
Like, they keep flashing back to a couple different.
Just one or two spots.
So there's going to be a chunk that's cut.
And I'm, you know, let's like I said, I just want something.
You just want it to be good, too.
And, yeah, you want it to get done.
But then you want to watch it and be like, wow, that was awesome.
Right.
And be walking out of there feeling like, wow.
And I know they're going to make me look like a superstar, right?
Like, and the problem is that the producer, the screenwriter, the executive producer, once again, I feel like I'm a knucklehead.
Like a lot of these things I bumbled into.
Like I feel the same way.
Right.
People say, you don't give yourself enough credit.
But then.
you explain it to someone.
Genius.
They're like, wow, that's amazing.
You're like, yeah, but wait a minute.
That's not what, like, it sounds, it's like flip at a house.
How many times have you heard someone say, eh, you know, I bought the house for $100,000,
I put $25,000 into it.
I sold it for $175.
I made $50,000.
You're like, that's amazing.
Oh, my God.
Bro, it was four months of hell.
Three air conditioners got stolen.
Kids throw rocks through the window.
Two closings fell apart.
I didn't make $50.
I had to pay for these people's, you know, for their closing.
Like, by the time it's done, you didn't make 50.
You made 35.
Yeah.
And it was agony.
And you were there.
You spent, you know, you're picking glass up in the yard.
Like, it sounds good when I, sounds great.
When I ramble it out.
But it's, it's bullshit.
You don't know any rehabbers that love being rehabbers.
Like, they're all like, this is, it's, you basically, you're a glorified construction worker
when you do rehabbers.
Yeah.
when you rehabs.
And everyone's trying to do it now.
You know, 10 or 15 years ago, you know, my friend's flip houses, my best friend Sparrow,
he does a lot of, he's doing a huge project now.
But now everyone's trying to do it.
So it's a lot hotter now in the price of everything's through the roof.
But just like you, you've gotten multiple calls since we've been here.
Yeah.
Hey, I got to get some more metal.
Hey, can you meet me here?
Like being a general, in general, working for yourself sucks.
Yeah.
You're working 80 hours a week.
People are calling at 11 o'clock at fucking night.
It's like,
from like being in prison and everything I've been through and you've been through, right?
I've always had that, you know, where it could be a lot worse, man.
Oh, of course.
You know what I mean?
Like, no matter what the fuck's going on, and like somebody who trade places with us in a second.
I never get, like, if I get cut off in traffic, like you get that split second of,
and then it's like, you know what?
You can go.
Like, I finally reach that point.
I think it's age.
I think it's same with me.
I'm like, I don't even, I don't get mad too much anymore.
Like, when I get really mad or I'm like, want to be screaming at someone, I'm like, wow, that hasn't happened.
Yeah.
These are not real problems.
Yeah.
These are not, yeah.
Listen, I remember, I told, I heard her, Colby heard this the other day.
I remember being on the phone with my ex-wife in prison.
She's complaining about how her husband, because we were still friends.
Yeah.
Like, she came to see me the whole time I was locked up.
Her husband came fucking see me.
I guess the relationships in most of my ex at some reason.
Yeah.
They feel, I think they feel bad for me.
Yeah.
They're like this.
Knucklehead.
That's what it is.
Who's going to put up with him?
So she's complaining to me that she just had to spend like 1,500 bucks for a new transmission.
And that the transmission had gone out on her husband's, on her husband's Hummer, right?
His H-2 Hummer that he got.
And it was three years, bumper to bumper.
They bought it.
And it just went out.
This is bullshit.
It was $1,800 or $1,800.
And she's, like, complaining about it.
And I'm thinking, that's, she had to put it on a credit card.
like, that's not a problem.
You know what a problem is?
My entire life is in a locker that is 18 inches by two feet, by three feet.
I have, I have, you're only allowed to have three shelves.
I have six shelves.
Our new counselors going around checking everybody's locker and then removing three
shelves if you have extra shelves.
I'm like, like, that's, that's what I'm down to.
I'm terrified that he's going to take.
my three shelves.
So petty.
Extra blankets.
Yeah.
Right.
And the CEOs that go around and do this.
That's like people complaining about, like if your problem is trying to avoid paying taxes because
you have too much money, motherfucker, you don't have a problem.
Yeah.
That's your biggest problem.
How to figure out what some tax shelters are?
Like, you don't know what problems are.
I have problems.
How am I going to survive on three shelves?
That's my whole life's in the thing.
Yeah.
I've had some real problems also.
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So the whole with the Whitey Bulger thing with Sean, I call him Sean Wick, Sean Hicks.
You can say Sean Hicks.
So Whitey Bulger was basically an Irish.
it's not like there's an Irish mob like they make it out like this you know this Irish
mob but he was just like a crime boss in Boston who worked with the Italians for years
who basically you couldn't do anything in and around Boston, South Boston without
going through him unless it was unless it was the Italians but the Italians worked with him
a lot um you know to kill people and do a lot of stuff him and he had a partner Steve Flemmy
and they were part of the Winter Hill gang was which was based out of Somerville
Massachusetts out of an auto repair shop, Marshall Motors, which Howie Winter in, no relation
to the Winter Hill.
That was just a coincidence there.
His name was Winter.
And Whitey for years was like this ghost.
He never got indicted.
He never went to jail and everybody knew who he was.
And the guy killed a lot of people.
He was just, he was a bad guy.
And eventually in the end to come out that he was working hand in hand with the FBI the
whole time.
Right.
He had a, then he was friends with the FBI agent as a kid or something, right?
Yeah, they go to high school or something.
Yeah, John Conley.
I think John Connolly went to school with his brother, but yeah, John Connolly had some
story where he'd come in and bought him like an ice cream cone and there's some, you know,
some folklore to that whole thing.
I don't know.
Right.
I don't know how true it is.
But yeah, so he like converted him to be a, to be an informant.
So it was a real convenient for him because all this competition, he just ran out and they
go away to prison.
And eventually he, he laid out.
out the Italian mob's headquarters in the North End on Prince Street.
He had been in their house, and they talked freely in there.
It was kind of like the John Gardy thing where they bugged, you know, the apartment upstairs.
Same type of deal they did.
And it's just like on Mulberry Street, it's a real close-knit Italian neighborhood.
I don't know how they went in there.
You know, it was this big cloak and dagger thing where the FBI acted like a drunk and
the thing and he picked the thing and got in there and planted the bugs.
basically ended, you know, they got so much off that.
They convicted so many Italians off that.
And once again, he just took over all their rackets, all the gambling rackets.
The guy made a ton of money, and he ended up getting, he went on the run, kind of like you, went on the lamb.
Yeah, but he just did it for a long.
He did he, like 13 years or 15 years?
Yeah.
And they caught him in, I think it was Pasadena, California, living in just some rental house up there.
And they raided them.
And he had, like, you know, $800,000 hidden in the apartment and arsenal of weapons, fake IDs.
He was like 81 years old.
And he eventually got in prison by some guys.
What do you think about just real quick?
I mean, this is just curiosity, is that, you know, that do you think he was working with the FBI?
Because, you know, during his trial, like, there was no reason to go to trial.
Yeah, I know.
He went to trial basically to try and.
prove that I wasn't working with the FBI like I that's all bullshit like I wasn't a rat I never
gave them anything I you know so he that's kind of what the trial was about but it didn't matter
it's still that that had been out there yeah the FBI said he was working with us and so he
that's why he ended up getting in prison yeah he was definitely a rat yeah okay co-defendant Steve
Flemy who ratted on a lot of people his whole thing was almost like like Trump's thing
right now. Like, I had immunity to all these crimes because I had a deal with the federal
government. They let me do this. Right. But, oh, that was what his argument was in, um, uh, at trial.
Yeah. I had, I had, you know, they call that something. Blank in immunity or something. I don't know what
it. Yeah. It's like, public something. Yeah. It's he's got, yeah, he's got total, like, I was being
told to do this. I was doing this on the behalf of the government. But like, I think Conley come out and
said the FBI agent, you know, I basically told them they can do whatever they want and his words where I just don't
clip anybody but they were killing people all along right you know it's like there's a similar case
of new york out of staten island brooklyn with the guy gregg scapa same thing who was you know
working with the FBI this whole time and killing people the whole time so you know scarpa's son
was recently released from prison which one i know some i some friends of mine are friends with
his kid too might be gregg junior i don't yeah i don't know but i was contacted by like a booking
agent and said he would come on the program and one i don't know enough about it and two they
they wanted money and I was like I'm not paying anybody like and so you know the woman was like
well do you know anybody that's going to pay like I'll give you other names of podcasters but I don't know
anybody's got like if you're thinking he's going to get out and make go do a podcast service circuit
and make a thousand bucks or something that's not going to happen but yeah yeah you know maybe on the
bigger ones but anyway yeah um so okay so I'll tell what happened so basically there was
So I'll tell you, it says we mentioned the Winter Hill game to say that there was a guy.
So one day I was contacted by a guy named AJ.
And AJ's like a, he's like an agent, like an entertainment agent slash.
Co-between.
Yeah, kind of, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I don't think he's not like a producer or anything.
He just knows, he's kind of like an agent.
So he contacts me.
And we talked a few times and he was like, look, I know a guy.
that has a documentary right now on O.J. Simpson that's on Netflix.
I was like, okay, he's a big-time producer.
And I was like, okay, so I actually watched the documentary.
And it was kind of a, it was a very simple document.
I don't want to say low budget because the quality was, it was high quality.
It was a good documentary, but it was a very simple.
It was just a couple of the homicide detectives in a room going over all this evidence
that had never been presented and how they were explaining how they felt.
OJ had done it, all these other things.
Anyway, it was a couple hours.
And, you know, look, and the fact is for you to get a documentary made and get it on Netflix, that's a big deal.
Yeah.
So he's like, this guy can get a documentary made about you.
And I was like, okay, he's working with this guy named Sean Hicks, right?
Sean Hicks, right?
Sean, what was his middle name?
Do you remember?
Scott.
Sean Scott Hicks.
He's like, Sean Scott Hicks.
He's like, you know who that is?
No.
And he goes, so he used to be with the Winter Hill game.
He was, he worked with Whitey Bulger.
And, of course, I knew Wadi Balser, me.
It was like, oh, wow.
And he's like, yeah.
And, you know, because by that point, you know, I'd seen Black Mass.
I'd seen, you know, the departed.
Like, you know, I remember when he got caught, everybody in prison was like, oh, my gosh.
You know, he had actually, for a very short period of time, he was at one of the pens in Coleman.
I don't know where he got.
But I think for a very, for a period of time, he was there.
And so I was like, oh, wow, okay.
And I'd seen a documentary on him.
You know, I'd seen all this stuff, so I'd know who he is.
So I'm like, oh, okay.
And he goes, look, and I was like, oh, he's, and I remember thinking when he said,
Hicks, I was like, which guy is that?
Is that the guy that was the one of the guys that rolled over on, you know, one of the guys
had cooperated.
Like, I was like, is that him?
Like, I didn't really know.
But I was like, okay, he said, yeah, yeah, they've, he just wrote a book.
He has a book coming out.
I said, okay, he's got a movie deal.
I was like, oh, okay.
He's got like a big book deal with like a big book deal with like a book.
big publisher and named the publisher black who is it blackstone blackstone publishing and
and jean and i was like okay he's like yeah bro he's huge i was like oh he's like he's partnered with
this guy they've got a production company uh would you mind would you be willing to talk to them i said
sure so we get on a zoom call or not a zoom call we actually was just a phone call we get on a phone
call and hicks is like yeah i'm so-and-so and he starts telling me about himself he's really
talking himself up and and to be honest with you you know
Like, I'm not impressed.
Like, mobsters, like, I've never been impressed by some guy who you're shaking down store owners.
Like, you're going to mom and pop places saying, hey, give me 300 bucks a week.
And basically, I won't throw rocks through your windows and come in here and, you know, make your life miserable.
It's such a place on fire.
Like, it's like, okay, you're just a piece of garbage.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I'm not impressed by something.
It's just not impressive.
That's not, there's no skill in that, right?
Yeah.
So.
Holy shit.
Right.
Right.
Right.
So, okay.
And he's like telling me that.
But, you know, he's, like, talking about, you know, Whitey Bulger.
And he's throwing these names out.
And I don't really know the names, but I kind of know one or two.
Like, I know Whitey Bulger.
And I'm like, okay, but I'm not asking a lot of questions.
But it just felt like he was.
Like, like, right.
You've been to prison with mobsters.
They're quiet.
They don't brag.
They stay to themselves.
Like, very seldomly, like, you, they might get together and tell a few stories,
but they're not walking around talking about what badasses they are.
You know, like the, never.
Right.
The most dangerous guy in the room is pretty much usually the quiet guy.
Yeah.
And anyway, so he's going on and on.
And I was just like, okay, I'm thinking, like, when are we going to talk about my story?
Like, what a – you're a big shot.
I get it.
You've got a bunch of shit going on.
So the other guy, the producer, starts talking.
Matt, we're going to move very quickly on this.
You know, I've got something right now on Netflix.
They're looking for stuff.
I can talk to so-and-so.
I know so-and-so.
I can get a documentary made.
I'm like, okay, listen, bro.
I got some issues with my, with a documentary about me, which is like, I don't have a lot of
assets, which is like video, photographs, the most of the people involved in my case have
reestablished their life or they never got indicted, so they're not going to talk to you.
Yeah, they don't want me.
Right.
And the people, you know, so there's a whole bunch of things that you have very few people
that are going to be, this is probably an hour long documentary.
Most of it's going to be me.
Yeah.
And that's already out there.
But the guy's insisting, no, we can do reenactments, we can do this, we can do that.
I'm like, okay.
You know, there's ways around it.
We can get law enforcement.
Okay.
So we start talking and they want me to sign along, whatever.
I'm like, look, I'll give you an exclusive for just the doc nine months.
You've been down this road already.
I've been down this road.
So while they're talking, the one guy says, hey, I love it.
What do you think, Sean?
As if Sean's done anything but just get out of prison.
Like, I don't know how your partner or Sean.
He's really trying to use his, they're all thinking he's going to be huge.
So I'm going to partner with him because he has.
name is going to be huge.
It's very soon.
And I'm like, okay, so I realize that as I'm talking because, like, Sean, you've got
somebody else wrote your book.
Yeah.
Somebody else wrote these, you know, articles.
Somebody else, like, you've done nothing but get out of prison and run your mouth.
Like, that's it.
Yeah.
As far as I can tell.
And even if everything you're saying is true, you're just, you've, maybe you've shot a few,
maybe you're a hit man, maybe.
Maybe you've been in prison a few for 10 or 15 years like you're bragging about, which,
okay.
So I don't see how that makes you a producer
I wouldn't run around telling people I'm a producer
Like that there's a that's a certain skill set I don't have
But anyway so he goes what do you think Sean and Sean goes
Listen I don't have a problem with I don't he's like I love his story
I like him he's a solid guy he's a stand-up guy
He's this he's that all of things which are not true
And he's like and then all of a sudden he's like yeah so you know I got no problem
Matt he said as as long as you didn't like snitch on nobody nobody went to jail
you're a stand-up guy like I'm good with you I'm good with us representing you I go and so I realized right
away like you don't know my story you're telling me you know my story but you don't and I went well I'll
tell you Sean I said I did I said I'm not a stand-up guy I snitched on every person I could think of I go
it just didn't work out for me I said when I got caught I said I rolled over on everybody I know but in
the end it just didn't work out so I said I ended up getting I ended up getting 26 years I said
Eventually, I said, you know, I'd done, I said, I, I said, eventually I got my sentence reduced
by 12 years for two rule 35s. I said, because I, I wrote an ethics and fraud course and I was
interviewed by Dateline. I said, I had a file a bunch of paperwork to get that done. And then I have
another case where a guy made the mistake of trusting me in prison and telling me where he'd
hidden Ponzi scheme money. I said, I rolled over on him, on him and cut his throat. I got five
years off for that. I said, so I'm not a stand, because I think this is done. You've already
wasted 45 minutes of my time.
So I'm like, so I'm not a stand-up guy.
So I guess we're basically done here.
And he sat there for a minute.
And he goes, oh, you know what?
He's like, like, bro, I got no problem with that, man.
I mean, you know, you, like, you never took a code.
You're not a street guy.
So I got no problem with that.
I mean, well, we can work on that.
Well, we can represent you.
A minute ago, I had to have lived, but you're typical.
He's a fraud.
Buckled immediately.
Like if you're really this stand-up guy that has to, you can't cooperate, you can't this,
then he should have been like, yeah, bro, I don't want anything to do with him.
Yeah, exactly.
But he buckled immediately.
So I remember right then thinking, something's wrong.
There's a guy, Joey Merlino.
I don't know who that is.
Okay.
Joey Merlino.
You're going to play some poker there.
Yeah.
Skinny Joey.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So for all of Merlino's faults as a human being, you know,
if Merlino thinks you cooperated,
he won't have anything to do with you.
Done.
Like I can say a lot of horrible things about the guy,
but he is a gangster.
You know what I'm saying?
He would say, yeah, listen, bro, like you,
I heard you cooperate or I know you cooperated.
I can't have anything to do with you.
That's it.
He probably wouldn't be that polite.
He'd just be like,
this dude's a rat.
We don't want him around.
I'm not dealing with him.
He'd be done.
He wouldn't give a fuck.
It wouldn't matter if you said,
hey, give you $100,000 for you to put your name on my restaurant.
Nah, bro, you're a rat.
Yeah.
He would be like, no, fuck off.
Well, he might take the money and then tell you the fuck off.
But this guy buckled immediately.
So right then, whatever.
Not the real deal.
Not the real deal, but I don't give a fuck.
Like, whatever, that's fine.
You're pretending.
Tons of people are pretending.
So I end up signing an agreement with them.
And, but the guy never does anything.
Like, he was like, oh, I'm going to jump right on it.
I'm like literally three, four months go by.
So one day I get, I get a, whatever.
let's say a month or so goes by, a month or so goes by.
And I get, AJ sends me a little, you know, a link to whatever, TikTok.
And it's John English had interviewed Hicks.
And there's this, you know, Hicks is, you know, talking about how his kid called him up from school, from, he'd been arrested and he called him and he's, he had somebody and, or he was involved in him and he's like, you know, did you do this?
You know, I'm thinking, like, you're on the phone.
Yeah.
like you're you're telling your kid not to say anything keep your mouth shut but let me ask you a quick question which is going to 100% you know involve you in this you know it's going to um put you in this crime incriminate you in this crime he's like did you have anything to do with this like you're on the phone on the police at the police station so and he's like i'm gonna be just like you dad i'm gonna be just like i want to be just like and he starts like and he starts crying and i anyway but the video's got
like two or three million views.
Yeah.
And then AJ sends me...
The guy James English got a lot of views.
Right.
AJ sends me another one.
He's like, bro, Sean is blowing up.
Hicks is blowing up, bro.
His book's going to be a bestseller.
They're going to make a movie.
You're in good with these guys.
They got you.
And I'm like, okay.
And still, you know, the guy's got the teardrops on it.
And his, the answers are so corny.
And I know you roast the shit out of them.
Yeah.
But anyway, so I sit there, no big deal.
That goes on for another week or two.
He keeps tech.
AJ keeps telling me what an amazing guy he is.
And then one day, and then one day, AJ comes, he's like, yo, bro, there's some shit going on.
Or something's like, there's something's going on with Sean.
And I'm like, what's going on?
And he sends me your podcast.
And I'm like, what's this?
And I click on it and you're just, you just jump right into him.
like you're laughing it or maybe he sent me some of your shorts or something did you ever make shorts
yeah sure the kid did or does a podcast thing it might have been shorts it was immediately you
pull up him Sean or you pull up Sean saying you know talking about this and you're just
hammering him and mocking him and I'm like why is he mocking him like I'm like oh why is he mocking
him I mean I don't understand and then you get into like nobody's heard of this guy he faked his paperwork
He's bullshitted this.
He got these people to give him money or whatever.
You know, he got a book deal.
Yeah, destroyed him.
And just, and then I go to the podcast, and I'm like, you're just gut him over the floor.
I only watched like 10 or 15 minutes of I'm laughing.
I was like, oh, my God, this vicious.
Yeah.
And I go back to.
Like, my gut instincts are right.
Yeah, well, I did say that to AJ.
I was like, I felt like something was wrong when that guy said he didn't give a fuck that I cooperated.
Like, he made that whole stuff.
spiel of being a him being a stand-up guy and and then not but not caring that I had ratted
like I always thought that was weird bro and then AJ was like yeah I always kind of felt like
something wasn't right you didn't no you were all in you were all in on John Wigg he hasn't
been around him that's right that was the other funny thing he talked he talks about he's what
was it the John Wick he he's like they based the John Witt character after me or something he said
when I was in prison, one of the caseworkers knew my story from Whitey and this and that.
And he came along long after Whitey was gone and went to Hill.
I mean, you know, and he says...
Like the dates don't even match up, right?
No, nothing, nothing.
And he would have been like 12 when these guys are doing this.
And he says, so this, whoever it was, is case where I said to me, it was like they molded
the perfect weapon, the perfect assassin and created you or something.
And then I started doing the memes with him like John Wick with his face,
his face on it, yeah. Sean Wick, Jason Bourne. But yeah. So we're, and then when he was actually
on Dan Abrams on Fox, he was, Dan Abrams slipped and called him Sean Wick. No. My friends are
sending it to me. I'm like, that's me. That is me. Like this and like getting a call from
the Boston Globe. We just did a big front page story on him that he's a fraud. I'm like, you know,
it's like vindication for me because it, you know, I knew with two seconds of seeing his little
clip from James English that he was a absolute fraud.
and know, because I would have heard of him.
I would have known this guy.
Right.
So nobody.
And another thing.
Not tied in at all.
Not a soul.
Nobody knows him.
Yeah.
But how did you, so can you tell me what happened with, because you know more than I do,
like there was what, an article and did you read the art?
Like, how did you get involved?
How did you kind of know who he was?
So there was an article first, right?
No, well, I'm sure there was.
I didn't know about no article, but there's like an Irish Celtic.
band out of Boston called the Dropkick Murphys.
They did a song shipping up to Boston.
I think it was in The Departed.
And that was, you know, since then, you know,
they could just play that song over and over.
And, you know, they played at all the Celtics games, everything.
And they became pretty big.
And the lead singer, Kenny Casey, I met through Mickey Ward, my friend, the boxer.
And we ended up becoming friends.
And he called me one day and said, hey, do you know, or I texted me,
do you know a Sean Hicks?
And I said, no.
And he says,
Well, he said he did all this time, and he was tied up with Whitey,
and I know some of these guys involved, like Pat and he's still around.
He's 80-something, but I know Pat pretty well, and he's naming all these names,
and he's saying he was committing crimes with this one and that one, he goes,
but the dates don't match up.
Like, you know, he goes, I smell a rat here, and he sent me the clips,
and I'm like, right away, I mean, after three minutes to listen to this guy,
you know, my son somebody, and I'm the molded me the perfect weapon,
and I'm like, oh, get, and the tear,
drops on his face and just nobody like nobody in the italian mob or irish criminals walking around
looking like this guy all pasty with tattoos on his face and then one of the things where he's like
all smug and the interviewer asking about the tattoos and he says you know and he has a strange
accent it's not a boston accent you pick up on it if you have a boston accent like what the what did
that come from he's like you know and like strange things like he's lived around other places he ain't he isn't
Boston and they go, what is the tear drops for our? And he says, well, they say, and then he's
like, he's grinning like a Cheshire cat. And I'm saying, them, not me. You know, each teardrop
represents, each red teardrop represents five. So then the guy's like, well, I'm looking to see if
you have any red ones. You know, the guy James English got like the Irish accent. And they like
grins. He goes, I have three. And right then I said, this guy is a complete.
like killers that I know that are people you know they're not talking about it and if they
someone and got away with it yeah got away with 15 they're not going on the you know Joe
English podcast that got 5 million views and and I'm just like wow this guy is a complete fraud
and another thing when I put that on blast on my Instagram story before I ripped him up in
the podcast I go this guy's a clown does anybody know him and like I said for
from my Snapchat four or five years ago,
I could be in a supermarket and you're picking something up.
And I'm like, look at this guy with the tight shirt on.
Like, I'll be like talking shit clowning someone.
And within five minutes, three people messaged me.
Oh, that's my, that's my cousin, you know, Matt.
He's from Florida.
And I put shit on him talking shit for a week.
And my whole following is Boston, Dorchester, South Boston, Quincy,
that whole area where he says he's from.
I mean, a ton of people follow me from there.
And not one person messaged me and said,
oh that's Sean Hicks that's my cousin that and that's because like I said I could put you on random walking down the street and someone had messaged me within five minutes oh that's my father right you know what I mean you're talking shit about my my son but I so like now I can't even do anything like really clowning people and said and not one person from Boston message me and said I know him and I'm like wow so this guy's whole story is just fraudulent so everything before it hit like
the mainstream, and they turned and said, hey, yeah, this is fraud.
You were already with it.
Oh, yeah, I'm the one.
Everyone was calling me up.
Like, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Like, I had, you know, ex-mobsters and people calling me up and, you know, take
him out to eat.
Like, hey, thank you.
Because they didn't have a platform, and they're just watching this guy.
And like I said on my podcast, it's like a stolen valor.
Like even though, and I said that on my podcast, too, just because you're a mobster
don't mean, you know, this or that.
Like, you're this great guy and I'm out here fighting for you.
A lot of them are, you know, bad people deep down.
You know, a lot of them are great guys, you know.
I says, but that's not the reason for this.
The reason is these guys actually have a story.
They did it, whether it's throwing a brick through a window, shaking someone down,
or killing somebody, or doing this or that, right?
They have a story.
They actually did this stuff.
And this guy is just a complete fraudulent.
And it was, it killed me because I got a good story.
You got a great story.
And this motherfucker gets a $45,000 book deal.
And he's just a PC from, like, county jail.
he's even got a tattoo that says
five-star general in the bloods
and 1090
Jake I was talking about earlier actually went on
Pacer and pulled up paperwork where he
testified and he p.ced in jail
because he was in a jail full of crips and then
he said he got and tried to sue
and they just found him laying there
with like a knife with a superficial wound
and he can just read through it that he's just a stuntster
con man you know
bullshit and it was and the more
Every time I think I killed him, be like someone sent me him on, like, Fox with DNA rooms.
And it was like, I just wanted to hunt this guy down now at this point because it's really, it's really bothering me that much, you know?
And then, like, when you contacted me or someone sent me your thing, after I exposed them and someone sent me a clip with you like, a lot of these people with fake stories, you know, and you touched on it a little, I'm like, all right, good, it's getting out there.
Look, oh, this guy's got a ton of follows you.
Good, it's getting out there.
And I don't think you mentioned it by name.
I'm not sure if you did, but I was like...
You know the problem?
I probably, even if I did, sometimes I get it wrong.
I don't know why I'll keep saying.
I'll say like Sean Kelly.
I've said that a few times and that's not the right person.
Yeah.
It's Irish though.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So when it started really getting out there, I was like, you know, it's some vindication.
And then the lady, Shelley Murphy from the Boston Globe just wrote a big thing.
And she quoted me as, you know, out in them as a fraud.
and she, you know, he said to her, you know, like you said,
he optioned that writes to a movie and this and that.
And I feel like who knows where it would have went if,
and then immediately when his book come out,
because I destroyed him so much, like, you know,
a lot of my followers went on Amazon and Goodreads
and just destroyed it with bad reviews.
And it was like one star, one star.
And I'm like, good.
Like, I'm shocked that they still put the book out.
I couldn't believe it.
Then they postponed it.
Then they took it off and they pulled it.
And I think when they pulled it,
they might have that worried about a lawsuit.
I think they took some stuff out of the book.
And then they re-released it.
They, like, put it off at two months.
What happened, like, I wonder, like, he, like, provided fake paper.
Like, I can't imagine you would write, like, listen, I was in prison.
I ordered guys sentencing transcripts, their indictments.
I ordered the FBI 302s, DEA6s, police report.
Like, I ordered everything you could imaginable that you could order on someone.
And I'm in prison.
And I'm ordering all of this.
I'm not, you're not giving it to me.
If I'm doing your story, I order it through the Freedom of Information Act, through the Freedom of Public Records Act, right?
I'm ordered, and I'll, I end up with, I ended up with paper with like this.
And this is me throwing away, because a lot of it's duplicate.
Like, some of these things, I had boxes of stuff.
Some of them, like this guy, Devereoli, I wrote, we had just tons of stuff.
But some of them, Boziac, I think the pertinent stuff on Boziac's is maybe, it's still a packet like this.
You know, it's still this thick.
And, God, I mean, I got some of these guys that's huge.
So I can't imagine that this, that, that Sean Hicks could come up with enough paperwork to convince a reporter that, or I'm sorry, a journalist or a writer to write an entire book.
Like the entire, like, if he had come to me and said, I want you to write my book.
You would have figured him out in two minutes.
Or, you know what I would have done?
I probably would have said, I'll write it as a memoir.
like you're writing it.
I'm not going to put my name on it or I'll put my name like, you know, with, like I helped you.
But I'm just trying to think like, what could he have come?
I need something.
I need something.
You know what he had?
He had one thing.
It looked like a kid did it in county jail.
He made up this fake thing that said when Whitey Balja was arrested, he implicated.
So his whole thing was how he went to his nephew, how he don't get mature.
family left how he died a few years ago and when he first popped up with this story the reporter
from the globe remembered him there were filming spencer for hire in boston a walberg thing and this
hicks was there with like the irish tough guy leather jacket and the scally cap trying to get like a walk
on a you know an extra role and he was telling anybody that would listen he was how he went to his
nephew how he was still alive and this reporter actually knew how he went to so the reporter on
the street come back and told shelly who wrote the story and said hey there's kids out here
I said, what's his name?
They had a picture of him.
So she called Howie.
He said, I've never heard of him.
Right.
Never heard him.
So he started this, this, um, Howie went to his nephew, who was in the Winter Hill Gang, tied up a whitey a while ago.
So he's been, and all these people are long dead now.
Right.
So he's been perpetrating that fraud forever.
And there was a big crime in Boston, the Isabella Gardner Museum heist.
I had the guy on my podcast.
I said it I.
The detective had investigated it?
One of the detectives I know, Anthony Hamori, did he have him on?
But the other, he, no, he works for Isabella Goddna,
but Miles Conner, who's a renowned art thief, who they think did that way.
He was in jail during that, but they think he masterminded it because he would steal precious pieces of art and not to sell them.
To leverage him for his freedom when he, if he got caught, yeah.
That was his thing.
So he made this, Sean Wick made this fake piece of paper saying when Whitey Bulger was interrogated,
he implicated um how he went to his nephew sean hicks and it's just this trash thing that he can't
produce now because you know oh you know someone advised me to destroy it and you know FBI agents
were interviewed by the lady in the Boston Globe saying you know why he never spoke even about
the Isabella God in the museum and he goes on that podcast too like you know the summary of Galilee
like the name of the painting whatever the fight it's something Galilee you know like yeah like you know
all smug like you know he knows who did it and just shitty he read out of books you know he has a
can't stand this guy but hopefully you know hopefully he's like you know dead he's like a cockroach
you know i'll be done talking about him today and then he'll be with uh don lemon on CNN at 8 o'clock
tonight is something yeah i was going to say he's basically in hiding at this point right like
isn't he um yeah because i got contacted by a j put me together with another kid the kid that was in
Apocalypto.
Yeah.
Do you know his name?
Rudy Youngblood.
Rudy Youngblood.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And, you know, he called me a few times.
Every time he called me, I think he was drunk.
And he would start talking.
I guess he'd spend a lot of time with Sean at his house or something, at his mansion.
Yeah, his mansion.
And then he would go on.
It's not a mansion.
This motherfucker.
He would go on.
He just started yelling and screaming.
I was like, bro.
He was a loose canon.
Yeah.
And he was like, I want to come on your podcast.
I want to out this guy.
I was like, okay, well, you can come on the podcast.
But you got to calm down.
And we actually scheduled something.
And then like a couple days beforehand, I was like, hey, looking forward to the podcast.
And I didn't hear anything.
And then next day, I sent him another thing, hey, man, are you planning on being here?
I have some, I have, my editor's going to be there.
We have a schedule.
Nothing.
Then I hit AJ up.
I said, AJ, what the fuck's going on, bro?
You told me this guy was good.
You told me this.
What's happening?
Then he came back.
He's like, yeah, bro.
He said, I think he's not going to be able to do it.
I think he's got some problems of his own going on.
You know, all these Hollywood people are so.
they're so diplomatic like he doesn't want to say you know but I read between the lines like
the kid's a fuck of like yeah or he's a drunk or whatever he's like oh he's got some problems some
issues I think he's going through some things right now so he never made it he'll still send me
things like I outed him you know thank me and I'm just like yeah I'm giving him thumbs up
emojis like what am I going to say no I did you know what I mean well he's telling me he's
telling me like I went I went to that motherfucker's house and I banged on the door and I told him
I'm like kiss your ass out here and he's like going on and I'm like well I don't think that's a good idea
But yeah, we can talk about it in the podcast, but he never, yeah, he never showed up.
But, yeah, I wonder, like, what happens to this guy?
That my, I was going to say that.
That was my next thing I was going to say to you, like, what, where does he go from here?
Like, she, Shelly Murphy outed him saying his last, like, he's that guy that moves in a house like these squatters do in this day and age.
You know, he's been doing this forever, right?
He, you know, he rents this house from you and moves in and you never get a day's rent.
And, you know, a year and a half later, the sheriff's he fucking escorting him out.
lose 18 months rent. He did that at the last place he was in. He had a judgment against
them. He could pull that up on pace of like 7,800. He's just a grifta that goes from place to
place. And now he moved in this mansion, as he says, that he rented it. And I'm, you know,
I bet dollars to donuts. He hasn't paid a dime rent. And he probably owes this guy about $20,000
right now. And that's my goal is for him to be in a tent, you know, under the overpass.
I won't quit until. Well, first of all, he's got an alcohol problem because every
time went because every time i talked to sean he was he was drunk and one time i spoke with him like
just him no no actually i think it was him and the the producer and i mean he was slurring his words he
was and as soon as we got off the phone the producer called me said hey man i'm sorry about that you know
he was in a car accident not long ago they're always making it they're always they're always this was
before yeah and i'm like no okay that's but you know i already feel like something's wrong and i realize
you're just a name you know you're not sean's not making any decisions the pretty
is. He's done nothing. They were all in on him, though. Oh, yeah. They were 100% believe,
like, this guy's going to be huge. It's going to be, but anyway, so I wonder, it's like,
I think to myself, like, what do you do now? Like, if you really, if you were smart, the best
thing to do is go do a podcast and own up to just exploit, I'm a piece of shit. Always been a
piece of shit. All right. You're going to have to edit this pot out. We don't want him with any
ideas. He salvages this. He, you know what I'm saying? But that's his only option. Yeah.
is if you went and we're 100% honest, honest about just your life.
Yeah, that's his only play.
Like, that's his last, that's his last.
But he won't.
Like that guy, guys like that won't do it.
Yeah.
He'll end up, you know, like, because you can't get a job.
You're your, people will be like, they'll mock you.
You can't, you're not going to parlay this into anything.
The only way is to go out, do a complete, this is who I am.
This is what happened.
This is how I did that whole thing.
And hope somehow or another you can, you know, reach.
into something. Yeah, in something. Now he's fucked. I, I, and like, he blocked me on
Instagram because I'd clown him and tag him in every video. I had the guy on the podcast
with the bag on the head who had the, we drew three red tear drops on the bag, and his hands
were like shaking. Like, I say he's in the Hicks gang, and Hicks is going to get a hit out on
him right now. And, you know, we joke about it. But, like, he does not leave the house,
and people send me videos. I'm like, you get a screen record him. He's got me blocked.
And he's constantly in that house with those dogs.
I'm like, does this guy even venture outside?
Like you said, now he's going to get ridiculed.
Everyone's going to be like, oh, that's a dude, you know,
being chewedos, you know, calling out, you know, this and that.
And at least now when you Google him, and then like twice, after I destroyed him,
then it was Dan Abrams.
People sent him to me, I'm like, this motherfucker.
And then just recently I killed him.
And then it's him holding up the New York Post.
Like, you know, like, former Boston mobster, you know.
And I remember the lady from the Boston Globe.
She called me up.
And she goes, actually, my, I found it.
after you have fans like what i mean she goes my son follows you and i started laughing she's like
what's this whole bean shooter thing and and i'm just like what was i going with that with the
with the boston globe with him holding up to you know you just keep thinking you've once you think
you've you've you think you've crushed him and he keeps coming back like a yeah it's it's insane
but i'm hoping you know maybe this is the final nail in the coffin bad cox you know to me i
I think it'd be, God, I don't know.
God, he's so, I could only imagine getting him on the podcast.
But to me, it'd be like, because I could just keep hammering away out of it.
It's like, it's so obvious.
Fishing a barrel.
Yeah, I mean, but I would love to know.
Like, if you could, there was a guy Marcus Schroker.
You know the guy I wrote that book about?
I told you the guy that jumped out of the airplane.
Yeah, the airplane, yeah.
Like, Marcus Schrenker, you could confront him with the absolute evidence and he would just switch
his story and switch his story.
Like, there was very few times.
when he told you the truth.
Like, so to me, if Sean was like, hey, I'll, if he called me up, was like, I'll come on
the program, like, and just be exactly honest.
Like, I would love to know, just like was Shrinker.
I'd love to know, like, what was, you know, what started this?
When did it start?
Did you have a plan?
How did you, like, the truth, you'll never get it from him, though.
The problem is, it'd be like, even if you went and said, look, I'll give you 10 grand
to come on the podcast and just tell the truth.
Yeah.
He wouldn't do it.
He couldn't do it.
Yeah, he can't, he's not, he's not physically capable.
Which really sucks because, let's face it, that's a pretty, that in and of itself is pretty interesting.
I mean, he's a scumbag.
Yeah.
But it's kind of, like, how did you, you got a 40, 45,000, what, 45,000?
45,000.
They're going to sue him and go out, back out.
They have to.
They'll never get anything.
Yeah, out of a publisher.
Bro, you know what the advance I got was?
3,500 bucks.
Unbelievable.
I got a 3,500 for a true story.
Exactly.
For a true story.
That also was optioned, you know, like you got 4,500, and God knows what else he got.
Like, according to A.J., although I can't be, AJ told me not to be super specific, but he got additional, people have lent him additional money based on.
It's going to take off.
It's going to take off.
It's going to blow.
So people have lent him extra money.
So he's gotten another $15, $20, $30,000.
Minimum probably, yeah.
He's got, whatever.
$70.
Yeah, whatever.
Let's say $70,000 on this thing, which is probably how he got in that house.
You probably put up six months worth of whatever, and then that's run out.
Now they're trying to get desperately trying to get rid of them.
And you know him, he's thinking this is going to pile into a million.
So he's not like being frugal.
You know, he got that money.
And he's a drunk.
Yeah, he's a drunk and fool.
Right.
So, you know, he's probably out there gambling and doing whatever, blowing it on, you know.
There's no way that ever gets to a movie now.
Oh, no, no.
No, no.
No, the only thing interesting about this guy now is how he managed to pull off this little
scam, but we'll really never know what the genesis of it was or how he, if he had a plan.
His first scam, the first time he made the newspaper and you Google him, he got out of jail,
some county jail.
And he started, he dreamt this one up when he was in jail that, well, he was, it's like a
front page of the Quincy thing, a former rapper, ghost.
His name is a rapper was ghost, seeks redemption and says he was part of the rap group, made men.
And these guys made men.
My friend has been in prison 31 years.
He's actually with one of them right now, William Ragland.
There were two gang bangers from Boston, from Matapana, Roxbury, which is like, you know, a black pot of boss.
And, you know, a lot of gangs.
And these two kids were involved in this rap group, made men.
And they got in a beef in a, maybe even the Roxy Nightclub in Boston, a room of one of them.
And they shot Paul Pierce.
Okay.
So this was his first story.
Former rapper, you know.
ghost who
Paul Pierce
and he ran with that for years
it still when you Google him he comes up as how he went to his nephew
and rapper who's
Paul Pierce not even part of the case
doesn't know any of these and they wouldn't
these guys wouldn't have been hanging around
with Sean Hicks I mean these were like some serious kids
one of them's about to get out of prison too I think it's
I think it's ragland he's about to get out
and I've talked to him through my friend
and he's like of course he doesn't know
a Sean Wick right
you know
So, yeah, he just perpetuates these lies and they get told so much.
They become truths.
Like, people start writing newspaper articles, nephew of former Winter Hill gang boss, Howie Winter, you know.
Like, don't they do any due diligence?
Don't they, you know.
I just can't imagine what he must.
I guess like you're saying.
You got a tip of your counsel, right?
Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying.
I'm impressed at that.
Begrudgingly.
Yeah, yeah.
Like if I would love to have an honest to God.
conversation how did this happen bro did you did you know it's just what you were going for did it
fall in your lap like how did this happen like can you imagine him like with his girlfriend like this
is working yeah dude they actually believe me yeah you know no way i'm being interviewed by uh by uh
ron uh was english yeah ron james james or james english yeah they're going to new york to be interviewed
then dan abram's like these guys got to come out with a is it a me a couple what are they got
come out with something and say hey you know oh you know that's that's not what the media does they just
bury it they just yeah they come and say hey you know people forget in two weeks this yeah exactly
this guy pulled the wool over our eyes but hopefully it ends real bad yeah you're not gonna be
happy they find him swinging yeah exactly oh my god oh and what happens if not to sit here and like
toop my own horn but what happens if if if i didn't come out like he was he was steamrolling like
you said he had these guys all around him this guy's the next big thing there's going to be this
blockbuster motion picture and they were you know he's in interviews like it's you know it's kind
of like um you know the bronch tale but you know meets goodfellas but the irish version and i'm like
this guy he actually walked around south boston claiming i used to like you know it's like
henry hill like park cars or you know whitey over here and i had kevin weeks on the podcast who
was whitey's uh number one he's the one you probably mentioned who he cooperated but just against
Whitey and Steve Flemmy in the end and he was just like and it almost bothered him so bad that
he didn't want to talk about too much on the podcast you know like like if I even met this guy
he would have been in the trunk like he wouldn't have you know with the three tier drops on any you know
his whole book like I met with whitey and whitey was impressed with you know my violence and how I
handled things and you look at his age and like you know I don't know when whitey went on the
run you know 1990 I mean it's just the whole thing you know when I was 17 working for there's no
the nothing adds up with his story i don't know how we got this far but
hopefully this is this this is as far as it gets with mr wick
is that enough uh yeah i mean yeah we're how far do you think we've how long do you think
we've recorded i just turned off the yeah that had said over that was like four hours but
i know we started five hours yeah five hours 10 minutes get the fuck god you owe me like
I'm ready to go.
We can go get dinner right now.
Last question.
How did you guys get connected?
Sorry.
How did you guys get connected?
So here's the thing.
I think you or I, what you just said, like somebody contacted you, one of your fans, or did I?
Because somehow or another, we had already talked.
Someone sent me your clip, and it was after I outed Sean Hicks.
Yes.
Someone sent me a clip where you were talking about it, and I looked and.
I said, wow, this guy's got a lot of subscribers.
So now I know what story is getting out there.
And I'm like, good, this guy, you know.
And I just put like a message, you know, hey, thanks.
And you talk about Hicks on this podcast?
Yeah, I think very pretty.
I just said this guy.
Like, I don't think I really knew his name or I might have said his name.
But with the fake stories now, this one guy, it's starting unravel.
Right.
And he's very quick.
And someone said it's me.
And I'm like, oh, yeah, I know who he's talking about.
But he messaged me on Instagram about the story.
But very brief.
Like, yeah, what a jerk off or something.
You know, like, it's very brief.
And then I messaged him back, but then I was like, good job with that.
Yeah.
And then I checked and I saw your Instagram and I was like, I remember thinking like,
because then I checked it out.
And I was like, oh, it's funny because this is the guy.
I watched this guy's, this is the guy I watched his thing.
And I was thinking like you coming on the podcast or something.
But I don't know if I mentioned it then.
And then AJ at some point.
I said, AJ, you should come on and we should talk about, we should talk about Sean Hicks.
I said, because you know more of the story than I do.
And he was like, yeah, yeah, let's do that.
Yeah, I live here.
I can come in person.
So we went back and forth and then I, but we never scheduled it.
So like maybe a week or two went by and I was like, hey, bro, what are we doing?
You're going to come or not?
And he goes, I've been thinking about it.
He's like, you really need to talk to Mike Lee from Bean Sheencher.
He knows the story.
And I go, yeah, but I said.
I hear you, but I need, I said, like, he didn't really have a crime story.
He goes, no, are you? He's got, hell, he has got a crime story.
And he starts telling you, I'm telling you, he's been in and out of prison, he's been
this, so he starts going on. Bro, he's, he's got a crime story, and he should be on your podcast
just for that. Plus, you guys can talk about the Hicks thing? And I was like, and I said,
can you put that together? And he goes, yeah, I'll reach out to him right now. A couple days
go by, he, I didn't hear anything. So then I thought, you know what, wait a minute, he's all right,
we've already swapped a couple of messages.
So I went and I was like, let me find him.
I was like, oh, here he is.
And then I said, hey, would you go on the podcast?
Yeah.
And then you came back and said,
and what you just popped up in Florida this week?
Because this was scheduled pretty quick, wasn't it?
It was, but it was because I hounded him a few times.
And I was like, yeah, you should come.
You should come.
And he's like, and then I started doing the voicemail thing.
Oh, yeah.
I got to stop that.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry about that.
I got to think about that.
Then I'm like, my daughter's going with her friend and her friend's mother to Clearwater
and Coco, and I thought she said the 10th to the 14th.
It's only like four days, but it's actually the 12th.
So then the other day, you know, he messaged me.
I go, I'm going to try to come on.
And I go, I might go there between the 10th and the 14th.
And he's just like, real quick, 11th.
We should do this.
And I'm like, so I'm playing cards with these guys.
And I, like, book a flight.
And I go, I just booked a flight for Tuesday at 5.55.
I always take off.
Out of the blue.
Like, it wasn't like a confirmation.
I'm going to drive to the airport and see if I can get on this flight.
And so the kids playing cards, he goes, oh, so today you leave it, 55?
I thought it was Monday.
Like, what do you mean?
He goes, it's Tuesday.
You just said you booked a flight.
It's 1 o'clock.
I'm like, so I shot home, grabbed the bag.
And, yeah.
You feel good?
Anything else you want?
Yeah, I think I did good.
I'm amazing.
Yeah.
I want to just tell everybody I did great.
Yeah, I was just, you took the words out of my mouth, man.
Thank God I was here.
I'm light-sensitive
So, you know, the comments will be like,
Scott was the story, what is he, Ray Charles?
They're going to be coming out.
You know, these lights kill my eyes.
It's like when I'm driving at night.
But no, thanks to have me on.
I really appreciate it.
You guys got a real good, real good operation here.
I think it's, you're going to go to the moon now.
I think this.
Now.
I take out to me.
From here on out, I take all credit for your success.
Yeah, and don't forget me.
All right?
Don't forget me when you have the Hollywood movie about you, all right?
Yeah, we'll see.
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