Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Hollywood Writer Sues HBO | How The Entertainment Industry Is Designed To Steal

Episode Date: August 28, 2023

Hollywood Writer Sues HBO | How The Entertainment Industry Is Designed To Steal

My attorney goes, stop everything you're doing. Whoever you're working with isn't who they say they are. They're HBO and they're ripping you off. So you pop up the trailer for this thing. The first opening line is, do you want to be famous? Right. And then it cuts to an American Idol style casting audition, casting for influencers. I'm like, holy shit, all these guys signed an NDA.

I'm going to be rich. I'm like, I think this guy just commit malpractice. So I was like, holy shit, like even these attorneys are actors. You know, I'm like, everybody's an actor. Holy crap, my family friends, Jay Lowe's music producer, and he wants me to come over and hang out. Next thing I know, his friends are putting my stuff on HBO, you know, like, I don't know how else to put it. But like, I didn't think they were out to get me. I thought this guy, I looked up to him.

Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be interviewing Jack Pugy, and he has a really interesting story about corruption and theft in Hollywood, which I know you guys are saying, stop it, that's not true. I agree that large corporations wouldn't possibly take advantage of anyone, but he insists it's true. So we're here to hear his story, and I appreciate it. And if you like the video, do me a favor and hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Leave me a comment, do all the things that you know you're supposed to do. And I appreciate it. So check out the interview. I typically don't hit them up for a subscription at the beginning, but I really need the numbers. Yeah, trust me. I know how it works.

Listen, and I appreciate everybody that's stopping to listen and take the time to hear today too, because that's all I'm trying to do is create awareness around this. And it's the sort of story that everybody has heard a million times and I mean you know they made there's a movie about a that jokes about it called big fat liar where this like kid gets his homework stolen by a moot by uh Paul Jammati and all of a sudden it turns into like the biggest flick of the season right um but you know it comes down to like this intellectual property like hold on saying because like nobody knows who you are so first tell me tell me so tell me about yourself a little bit like we were born in Indiana. You got a mom and a dad or you were raised

by wolves or whatever. Sure, sure. I grew up in Long Island, New York. I grew up on the North Shore. I grew up kind of like amongst circles of, you know, people in the entertainment business. My dad was, my dad is in finance. Um, so I thought that growing up, you know, seeing my dad working in that industry, I thought, I thought I knew the dirtiest business in the game, you know, I thought it had to be. There was no way, nothing more evil than, you know, working for the dollar. But, um, it turns out that Hollywood is a bigger and dirtier cesspool. Yeah. Oh, I say all the time, I'm like, I'd rather, whenever I talk to these guys, I'm like, honestly, I would rather deal with criminals. Yeah. Well, they are. that's where they all go right i mean i keep on everybody i'm going to get killed over this thing you know i was going to say listen at least in prison if things go bad like somebody could get stabbed or beat up or whatever but these people are they're in ivory towers and they've got tons of lawyers and security you're just not going to get to them no you know even with you even if you're even if you had money

and had your own set of lawyers it's like yeah i'll outlast you well that's you know that's the best part about it is that my lawyer you know the premise here is that i i i pitch these two shows and and they're on hbo now hold on sorry i just realized why i'm lagging hold on a second sorry bro listen and i i tried to tell the guy that called me your assistant i tried to tell him it's like not a professional operation don't expect too much so um yeah he had me all upset no no i'm taking i'm taking the little wayne approach little wayne was featured on every artist across the board that would let them be featured on and that's how we built this brand because now you looked up little wayne and and everybody came everywhere you know yeah it's kind of like

andrew tate i didn't hear anything and then suddenly every every other person was posting videos on him that's the only way to do it um it's recognition so you so okay so tell me first you you wrote Let's start from the beginning, I guess we were talking about growing up anyway. So I grew up in this community amongst, you know, substantial people, I would say. And one of which became a good family friend. I met him. I went to school with his daughter in the first grade. His name's Corey Rooney.

If you Google him and, you know, you pull up some of his accolades, like Corey Rooney is Jennifer Lopez. he is Mariah Carey. He is Mary J. Blodge. You know, he wrote every record for all of these people. He's worked with Michael Jackson. And, like, this was a guy that at six years old said to me five years old, because I was young from my grade, five years old said to me, hey, you play the piano.

Why don't you come over and hang out? And I was like, you're my parents' age. I don't know if I could hang out with you, you know? But by the time I got to high school, I was like, holy shit this guy is like a grammy award winning multi-platinum record producer and he wants to hang out with me and he and he showed up to he used to come to my piano recitals he came to you know I was learning I was a DJed for a time and it was you know just like I didn't get to be creative enough so it what I didn't stick with it for long but he came you know I did a club

a small little like club of Manhattan and he was there with with with his entourage and his family and his brother-in-law and, like, you know, his wife and my mom were best friends for years and years. So, like, it was, you know, he was a family friend that I just hang out with. And I looked up to him, you know? I mean, how could you not, right? Like, I'm, I'm in high school. I'm 16 years old. I'm 15, 16 years old. You know, my mom's dropping me off at his house to hang out with. and because I wasn't all enough to drive and I wanted to be in that, you know, industry not knowing how or what and how it worked.

And, you know, I'm sitting with him and we're hanging out, watching the Nick game and, you know, you get the phone call and he's like, yo, Puff, what up? Like, Puff. Right. He's like, yo, Puff, say what up to my boy, Jack. And like, am I talking to P. Diddy right now?

You know? And that was like, that was like my high school around this thing so I'm like wow this is really something I have the ability to be a part of this guy's and this guy's like so generous with his time with me you know so I um I chased the dream you know I chased what was my dream was to like follow and follow and end up in this business and like you know I worked for a few years with my dad and it wasn't really the you know finance you You went to school, right? You went to college. I went to school. I went to school down in Florida, actually. I went to school in Boka. I left school. I graduated. I went home. I worked for worked in finance with my dad for a bit. Saved every penny and stayed home. And, you know, while most of the kids were around me, we were all moving out and doing their own thing and like, you know, starting their own lives. We graduated college. They got careers. They were working nine to five and punch a lot. going to tick it to make somebody else rich.

I was like, I had a mentor in college that taught me how business worked. And this was a friend of my dad's from high school age. And he built, he built one of the, he went to the same school I went to him. And when I was down there, he used to come down and hang out. And he said, when I first started in college, he said, so what are you studying there? I said entrepreneurship. He goes, you're going to learn that from a book? Really old school, like Italian delivery, sort of a guy.

You're going to learn that from a book? Well, I don't know. He goes, I'm an entrepreneur. You want to learn how to be an entrepreneur? I'm going to teach you how to be an entrepreneur. So that was it. He took me under his wing and he taught me business, you know, better than somebody at my age should have known. And it was all about, you know, engaging in the,

in the mentor. I always believe that you learn so much more from the person doing it than the person reading it to you. You know, and I followed, I followed, so I followed,

so I came back home, I finished school, I worked and I saved every single penny and I lived, like I was still on a college budget for like three years, saving every dime I, every possible dime I had.

During COVID, the world changed. I started to look at the world and realize, like, you know what? If I don't pick up now and do what I'm passionate about, I'm never going to do it. I'm just going to sit here and punch the ticket like everybody else. It's just working for somebody wasn't for me. Right. I took all of my, I took all of this money I saved up, which I invested properly and like I doubled.

And I did, you know, I was in finance. I was dealing with it. I was playing, I was playing the market. And I saw what was, I saw trends and what was going on. And like, I made a couple of good calls. I made some bad ones too. But I had enough that, like, I could have produced my own reality show. Okay.

And that was the premise. So Corey set me up with some of his buddies in the industry. Unbeknownst to me, these guys were a guy. Now, Corey is the guy from high school, not the mentor. Yeah, Corey's, Corey mentored me too, but Corey's the record producer. Okay. If you Google Corey Rooney, you're going to, you're, you know, your eyes will pop out of your head when you see, you know every song he's created. Okay.

Because everyone was a hit. And so I came out of, so I went and spent some time. He moved, he moved from our community here out to L.A. After high school, when I was in college. So after college, I went out and I spent like a weekend with, it was like three days. he was like you want to make because i wanted to make a movie at that point he's like come out hang out we'll do whatever so i showed up and like the last thing i wanted to do was like take too much of their privacy away and i was like they had me at their house and i was like i'll be here

i was like i won't stay long i'll be quick you know and i think they were like you're leaving already sort of thing on my way out the door i was like yeah you guys showed me what i need like thank you i came back and he had set me up before this he had set me up with some of his buddies in uh film and tv i didn't know who these guys were unbeknown to me these guys had were hbo you know they had but but not in the way you thought they were because the way that these production companies operate is where like the illicit structure sort of begins you've heard like the chapelle talking about um have you seen Chappelle's Unforgiven.

Yeah. Where he talks about how like he got fucked by the, by the industry and the industry's fucking people the same way as the Me Too movement. Right. So he had this adage where he said that the Me Too movement was exposing how the beast fucks physically. But I'm talking about how the beast eats. But it's still the same monster.

You know, where where the... They're just, it's just getting robbing the artist, robin the creators. He wants Khan Bank of America out of $250,000, using nothing but a fake ID and his charm. He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy of my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. So a lot of people think that for Netflix, and it's a Netflix original.

They think Netflix did it. Netflix didn't do it. Several people came to next, several small production companies or large ones came to Netflix, said, we've got an idea. They tell them the idea. Maybe they show them what's called a sizzle reel. It's like a three minute kind of a trailer thing. Netflix says, so it's going to be kind of like that. Yeah, exactly.

Okay, we like it. We've talked to this person. We have this person willing to star. Or maybe it's a documentary. You know, this person can talk. talk. They'll talk. We've got these experts lined up. It's going to be a three-part series. So they say, we need $6 million or $5 million or whatever it is. They give them a budget. Then they come back with the finished product. Then Netflix says, hey, it's a Netflix original

because they semi kind of produced it or they kind of watched over it. They agreed to put up the money. And then they put it out there. But then suddenly you find out later that the story was purchased or borrowed from somebody else. And now Netflix has the ability to say, wait a second, the production company brought it to us. We don't know what the production company did to acquire that storyline. We thought it was written by this person.

Now, this person saying they wrote it, apparently they were partners, they broke up, whatever the case may be, there's always kind of a plausible deniability. Whether Netflix knew it was. was an issue or not. And that happens across, in my opinion, that happens across the board. I'll give you an example from me real quick.

And this is a small example because I have a large one. Huh? Everybody's got this story. This is why it's so recognized. Yeah, I'm working with production companies right now who told me, do not pitch device. They told me, don't pitch device. Because they've had, they personally, the guy I'm dealing with has had, I think one, he now says there's two stories, they went to them, pitched them two stories, both times they said,

we're not interested. A year later, both series were made by vice. And the thing is, he doesn't want to do anything about it. Well, I don't want to be one of those guys that's known to sue right. Exactly, because that's the whole, that's what they try and scare you into is don't sue us because then you're not a part of the gang anymore. Right. Yeah, fuck that. So, exactly. Exactly. And what you're doing. Right. In my case, I'll tell you what happened with me real quick. This is just my vice story. And I've got a bunch of them. So my vice story is I was contacted by a producer, female producer. She said, hey, we'd like to talk to this person, John Bozziak, which is a guy, a credit card counterfeiter that I wrote a story about. He was in his teens doing carding and it evolved into counterfeiting. So they had read the story on my website. And I said, said, I've already optioned his life rights. We're working with a production company.

And I said, what are you looking for? She said, we're looking for teens. We're doing a program called I was a teen felon. And I said, okay, and that's a big one on vice. And I said, well, I got another guy. His name's Jacob Diaz. I wrote a story. It's called the unlikely narco.

And I said, I can put you in contact with him. And she has, let me read the story. She went, read the story, came back. She said, it's amazing. She said, I love it. She said, I definitely want to talk to him. I said, okay, well, wait, calm down. I said, I don't mind doing that, but let's get something on paper.

And she said, what do you want? I said, honestly, I've already written the story. You can tell. It's like 8,000 words. It's a done deal. It easily fills your whole one hour. Yep. I've done all the research.

I've got all the quotes. I got the whole thing. I had it laid out. And she says, no, it's perfect. It's done. I said, I'd like to be an executive producer. And I'd like, I think I said 20 grand, which is very reasonable. Very reasonable.

Right. And she said, I think, like, what she goes. I think I'd probably get you 10. And I said, listen, I live in Florida. 10,000 is basically 20,000. I'll take 10. I live cheap. So she was like, okay, she said, can I at least, she goes, can I talk to the guy just to make sure that he's willing to participate? I said, sure, no problem. Gave me his email. I emailed him. I'm going to have somebody call you from Vice to set to make sure that you'll be interviewed. And I said, by all means, I said, let me know how things go. He said, no problem. a week goes by two weeks go by i shoot him an email i don't get a response which isn't abnormal for him um he's restarting his life got out of prison he's you know a little scattered brain we've had on and off talk you know we talked on then i said with something heard she says hey i sent him an email didn't i copy you on it she sends it again and she said i'll let you know what happens i said okay a couple weeks go by

I send her another email nothing I think maybe nothing happened six months go by this is a fast turnaround six months go by because usually it's not six months it's year two years so six months goes by and I'm talking to a buddy

in prison he says bro I just saw Diaz's story on vice I can't believe you sold it what was it called it was called the cartel kid so I look it up sure enough they did a one hour interview with him.

So I then, of course, I then turn around. I send her an email saying, I'd love to understand what happened here. Now, nothing happened. She doesn't respond. Of course. I then go on concrete. Oh shit. On Danny?

Yeah, Danny. We do like a one hour special, right? I talk about, actually, we didn't even do it hours. We just talked about it during the course of another story. Yeah, yeah. I got to go back and watch that. I love Danny. So he then took a clip.

how Vice ripped me off or something like that. And it's like 11 minutes or seven minutes. So I mean, put it out. Like two days after that comes out, I get a, I get a immediately get this call from a lawyer with Vice. Well, with the production company. Hey, we were wondering, we'd like to take care of this. So next thing I know. And we're talking about within immediately.

She said, by the way, I don't know if you realize this. you did get a credit as a as a as a as a like a contract producer or something or a consulting producer I said yeah I was supposed to be an executive produce I don't know what a consulting producer is I said and it's I said I just so happened while we were doing the whole thing Danny they see it I didn't even see it and and but I did see it later you know when they stopped it I was like okay yeah but I said what about the fee we don't know anything about a fee I said really I said, let me be very clear. I said, I get it. I understand what's happening here. I've been through this before. I said, so let me explain to you what happened the last time I went through this. So last time I went through this, I was in prison.

I filed a lawsuit. I said, they didn't think they could do anything. I said, I filed a lawsuit. I filed a lawsuit. I said, from in prison paying guys with mackerel, packs of mackerel, which is like a dollar of pack, packs of mackerel, and stolen paper and recycling and just recycling. stamps and doing all these things that you can do to make to keep your cost down. I said for less than $200,000, I cost Warner brother two or three hundred thousand dollars in legal fees. I said,

they could have come to me and offered me 50 grand, but they didn't. They'd rather spend two or 300,000. I said, can you imagine what I'm going to do at this point right now after this phone call? And she goes, listen. Okay, look, I get it. I hear you. Let me make some phone calls. She comes back. They give me an offer. Not what I should have gotten. but it was it was it was enough to make me go okay fine now I know buddy better I'll take my little bit of money and walk I signed the paper I walked away with a little bit of money but that's my story so I know what you're saying like I've had it happen much worse where it's like meeting the whole thing like you're involved the next thing you know you're out of the loop yeah suddenly things are happening you're like what the fuck has happened oh wait till you hear the rest of mine okay great now I definitely want to hear yours I'm sorry I just want to tell you no no no listen it's it's it's that this is what it's all about for me is like now this is the angle i want to take it it's not just me look in society in a very grandiose way of viewing right we're all in jail right we're all we're all slaves to the central banking system okay right it's no matter what if you take this economic like from an economic

perspective and you go political and whatever else with it which is like you know always a talking point today's day and age because politics have become a sport and And you look at it from that grand scale, nobody, I don't care who you are, nobody makes money. They take it from each other. The only person making money is the government because they're printing it. They could just make more whenever they want. And it's not even the government. It's the central bank.

Right. So if we're all a part of this system of how do I take from you? How do you take from me? Then what makes you a criminal that had to go away and me not? yeah i i hear you that's a little simplistic but um you know you're still a system set up at least but like i think the problem yeah no i understand you but here's the problem in dealing with these guys is that one they know you're just excited to be sitting at the table yeah so they take advantage of that and having been someone who's taken advantage of pretty much every situation i could um which got me

into prison is that is that you know you're excited just to be there and you're they are very professional and so you think I'm dealing with someone who's a professional and they're constantly letting you know listen there's not a lot of money here we're definitely but don't worry we're definitely you're you know we're looking at a few hundred thousand or we're looking at this much money or there's this percentage of that we can't guarantee that but typically this is what happens. And so as you're listening, you're like, they're very careful. They're very professional. There's definitely money here. They're telling me it's reasonable. But the truth is, even the reasonable amount of money that you're willing to take, they want to screw you out of.

Of course. And in the end, when you walk away with nothing or you're going, I can't believe this is happening. And you go and get a lawyer and it's clear cut. What they did was wrong. You've got emails. You've got everything. The lawyer's like, yeah, I definitely think you have a case here. Give me $50,000. If I had 50, if they paid me, I'd have had the 50 grand, and then I wouldn't need to pay you. And that's just the start. If we go to trial, it's going to be a couple hundred thousand. It's like, so they maintain this ability.

So go ahead. So what, I had one law firm in the midst of this whole thing. They told me, if you want to fight this, it's going to be two mill. I was like, $2 million. I go, I'm 27. Where am I getting? At the time, I was 25, I was like $2 million. Like, who's writing that check for me?

it just well and here's the reason people don't realize that so if it's if you're in a if you're in a car accident yeah nobody understands that a legal thing works right so so you're exactly so so when you when you lawyers lawyers are lawyers know right lawyers are the worst at this whole thing but hollywood acts just like a lawyer because because what the lawyer does is well there's only a 50 50 chance right they always got to tell you that at the end yeah but when you're on your way up to like up to that, that's the same thing you're dealing with in entertainment is like this, hey, listen, it could get picked up, it might not get picked up. So, you know, what happened to me was I pitched this, I pitch this, I think reality shows suck.

Okay. Yeah. Reality shows are the most boring thing in existence. I think that some of the biggest ones out there are like watching paint dry. And I can't figure out why people like it. But it's the drama, right? From a subconscious and psychological perspective, it's the, It's the, it's the, what would I do if I was in that situation. Right. It's like me and football. I don't understand why people watch football, but I'd be a fool to, to sit here and say that it's stupid and nobody, and it, you know, like, obviously there's a huge draw

there. Like, the Cardassian is cash. So, you know, they're doing, there's, there's people like it. I'm working. Yeah. So that was my, uh, mentality about it. My mentality was like, well, you know, if I want to create a reality show that's actually interesting, how am I going to do that?

So, you know, I grew up going to a school where all we did was write. We wrote and wrote, I mean, by the time I was in the seventh grade, we were writing 40-page essays, like a couple of times a year. Okay. So, you know, writing was just we got, we got beaten over the head to learn how to write and to read and do whatever else. And I'm dyslexic, so it was. So am I.

Oh, my gosh. I mean, I went to a school for kids with learning disabilities. So that's the kind of college I went to, which was the best thing ever, you know, for me. It was like, it was such a, it was a cake walk to have like that handheld support. But I had, I moved schools a bunch growing up because I needed the support too. So I know, I know that realm all and well. So being dyslexic, you already know, like your fantasy is so powerful. Yeah, definitely.

We can, I think that we're more creative than most because of that. I mean, it's just my opinion, but I, you know, that's how I always saw it. So when I looked at when I looked at my world and, and what I realized was, all right, I got to create a reality show, but what's, what's my reality about? And it came down to me looking around at these, it came down to, it came down to, we were in the middle of COVID. And I'm sitting next to my friends on the couch every day and we're trying to like figure out how to get these girls to reply as we like flip through the phone right and there was one girl

that I was like drooling over she had like 250,000 followers and I was like how do I get her to reply and I was like well it's simple I need is more followers than her right how do I get more followers and then the reality show was born I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna create this reality show where I'm going to recruit girls to be on the show because it's a dating show. But I can't really have it be a dating show. It's got to be about being an influencer. So the premise became, have you ever wanted to be famous? Who wouldn't have stopped when they saw that ad roll by on their Instagram?

Yeah, I want to, you know. Yeah, 16, 17, 18, 19 year old person, boy or girl wants to be famous. At least 50% of the population, I figured, was my girl. you know now if i got all those people to follow me i was going to use them tell them if as long as you follow me you get to be you you know you'll get an opportunity to be on the show we're going to do all the casting from instagram so now i say to myself but it's just not enough what's missing what's missing and i look over at my friends and i was like these guys aren't even friends you know like they're just constantly cock blocking me so i'm thinking of myself

I know that's what this show is about. This show is my like get back at these guys for always. And like, you know, we weren't looking for the same thing when it came to dating. Like I actually just want like one girl. Like I'm one kind of like eat. Like I just wanted to be easy. I want it to be my best friend sort of thing. And these guys were like, you know, if you show them, if you show them that we're going to go do this and it's fancy or we do that or we go out for a nice dinner.

Look at look at the view at the beach or like this or that. It was all about like how much money you could spend and, you know, very like Miami-esque men. mentality and like it's that just wasn't me that wasn't how I was raised you know that that that was a that was a byproduct that's not something you like just like used to as your fishing bait so uh I was like I'm gonna get these guys back for getting in the way every time like there was one or two girls that came across that maybe there was like a little more than I realized and I was like I'm going to stick these I was like I'm going to stick these guys for sticking me. So I created this secondary underlying premise where I was going to trick

them into being on the reality show, thinking they were helping me to cast like America's next top model. So the casting process is a part of the show. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. Okay. The casting process would have been this like, hey, have you ever wanted to be famous?

Now I lured in my audience members. Kind of like American Idol. Exactly. That's literally how I pitched it. It was American Idol. But my friends didn't know what they were doing on the panel. Right. They thought they were voting for the hottest girls.

Then what I was going to do was exploit them for kind of like every time. time like I talked to a girl and then like had them come and like take the girl away sort of thing and that was going to be like the endless the endless play okay so I that's like that's like a really bad bad explanation of the whole thing but it's like it's my shortest synopsis I can give you so I so I call up these guys that that Corey set me up with guys I got an idea for reality show sign this NDA get it back to me let's talk. I'm ready to, I'm ready to go. I'll fund the whole thing myself. You know, he's going to spend every dollar ad on this thing. I was like, I will fund this.

Like, because I knew, the only thing I knew from Corey is you've got to own all the rights. You got to own all the rights. You got to own all the rights. You got to own all the rights. You got to own the rights. He drilled into me. So, and his example was always Beyonce. Beyonce owned 80% of her own publishing. Nobody could figure out how. So I was like, if I pay for the whole show, I own all the rights. So that was what I thought. I didn't know anything. Right.

But I figured I'd own most of them until, you know, the time rolled around. Or they take the idea and go get the funding from somebody else. So that's, no. So now that's what happens, right? So I call these guys up. I'm like, I want to own all the, you know, I want to shoot the full pilot. Corey said shoot the full pilot. I'm shooting a full pilot.

No, no, we only want to shoot a sizzle. Like, I hear you, but Corey said I guarantee myself on a network if I shoot the pilot. I did get on the network with the whole pilot. It just wasn't mine. You know, it was mine. They just took it. So now, you know, two weeks, these guys are like, all right, fine, fine, because I wasn't being malleable. And, you know, unbeknown to me, I wasn't being malleable.

I just thought I was calling them and contracted them to do a job and I was going to run the job. You know, that was my simple. You felt like they were a work for hire. Yeah. That was how I understood it to be. You know, the whole thing was work for, I didn't know any better. But yeah, I thought it was work for hire. So these guys come, these guys tell me they're going to come back to me by the end of the week.

I hear nothing. Then like a week and a half goes by. And now I'm like, all right, let me double check, see what's going on. Oh, yeah. Hey, Jack. Sorry, huge project got thrown into our laps. We're not going to put it in my problem, right? So these guys are famous for mocking, making mockumentaries in the end, they tell me.

But all they do is tease me with the whole thing along the way, which is where it gets nuts. So they go, we want you to work. Here's the next tease, ready? We don't, we're not going to be able to do it, but we want you to work with a producer partner of ours. Jeff Cobelly. his production company is called good for you but when you go to his production company and you're in his studio

all over this studio he's got the letters GFY okay what's that acronym for I mean go what go fuck yourself yeah so go I'm working with go fuck yourself productions right because they don't want because they're like go fuck yourself we took your show already right so now I'm on my second

call with go fuck yourself and and they're like hey listen this crazy thing happened you should check it out it's called fake famous you open up the trailer to this to this show it just came out it's on HBO we weren't really sure is it your show is it not your show so you pop up the trailer for this thing the first opening line is do you want to be famous right and then it cuts to an american idol style casting audition casting for influencers i'm like holy shit all these guys signed an nda i'm going to be rich that's like my initial thought right and now i begin this uphill battle to like fight against the entertainment business and i realize these guys were these guys just continually played me not only that fake famous comes out now they credit the

this guy to be the producer because, you know, they work the whole, they know how to work the whole thing to make it appear to be what it's not. They, they, they talk to me about how you can manipulate the recordings, you change, you change costumes, you, you change hairstyles, you change lighting, you change this, you change that. And all of a sudden, you can film something over the course of three days that appears to have taken place over the course of a year. Right. So you can, you can manipulate the seasons and all those sorts of. of things, which is exactly how they pumped the trailer out for this thing. Because they pumped the trailer out in two weeks.

Right. They pumped the documentary out in a month. The documentary, you mean the reality? Fake famous ended up being a documentary because I picture it as a documentary-style reality show. All right. So documenting the process of becoming famous. So in the process of doing that,

recorded every single production meeting I had. Is this the same guys that, is this the same guys that, um, that you spoke like the same production company that you were working with did this. Yeah. Same one. No, it's, they're not credited on it. But, but when, so now I go do do all the back studying, figure who were these guys, you know? And when I'm looking them up, one's got a credit on the Sopranos. One was a DOD for he was the director of development

which means that's the guy who stamps the greenlight approval, whether or not this thing's going to air. Right. He was partnered with Warner. Right. Warner's the parent company at HBO. Yeah, they're the worst. So now, I know. So now I'm saying to myself

all right, like, and Corey gave me all these little ins and It's like, listen, everybody talks to each other in this business through their attorneys. So I reached out to them first. I was like, hey, guys, you know, I really appreciate, like, that you guys thought I was good enough to be on HBO. That's, like, you know, people work their whole careers and can't make it on HBO. Right. So I was like, thank you, you know.

I was like, is there any way I can basically I ask, like, can I have credit for my work? Like, I'll keep writing for free. I just want, think about the credit I would have, grabbing credits at 25 on, have. being produced something on HBO like that's mine that's that's that's on the next spielberg yeah you're trying to salvage getting fucked over right i get it yeah too late because we don't know what you're talking about right so now the dating show element was missing though because it was two separate shows i wanted to marry him because that would have been way more of a roller coaster ride of drama which would have been more of an entertaining reality show to me

than what the typical project. Right. But it was all about casting my friends, right? So I call them up. I call them up now. I went down to Miami for a weekend to meet up with one of my friends who lives out in L.A. and a couple of my buddies from here.

But we all went to, most of us went to school in Florida. So we go down there. Is this the kid from L.A.'s birthday? His name's Garrett Moroski. and he's you know we're celebrating his birthday we're going out we're doing this we're doing that the next morning i wake up and i and i had been out i met this i met this kid uh he was a utuber a finance YouTuber that i knew i met some artists i was like guys i got a bunch of people for cast i call them first thing that next morning i was like i'm down in my and they and they

wanted me to go watch fake famous but i told them i wasn't going to watch it because i was like I don't want to watch somebody else's show that's kind of like ours. There was a few red flags along the way. One of them having been right after I pitched this show and got passed off the GFY, I called my attorney to tell them, hey, I need, you know, I had these guys all signed the NDA, but I need the contract for them now because they're going to, you know, we're going to do this thing. My attorney goes, stop everything you're doing. Whoever you're working with isn't who they say they are.

They're HBO and they're ripping you off. I was like You were And I had known previously that they represented HBO It was something he had told me like years and years prior So I'm like I think this guy just commit malpractice You know?

Right. So I kept that on the back burner, right? Now the next thing that came to was a warning was one of the meetings I went up to go to GFY studio up in peak skill and on my way up there the guy who's bringing me who was driving me up you know he happened to know who they were he happened to know the the studio location he goes you know jack do you know where you're going right now i was like yeah i was like my family friend sent me up with these guys like you know it's probably all good blah blah blah and just be careful you know i've brought people here before this isn't just you should be careful i didn't think anything

of it, but I asked him later. He goes, you know, when I brought, I was like, so remember after the, I realized the shows were robbed? He goes, when you told me to be careful about that place, like, why? He goes, well, I brought somebody there once, and they told me their job was to, that they filmed porn up there, and their job was to use the flashlight while they were filming when they needed, like, spotlighting. This guy's telling me, so I'm like, all right, so that had been red flag number two. That wasn't why you were going out there. Yeah, it wasn't at all.

I was going up there to get robbed. Right. So now, so now, so now, you know, I had two red flags. This next red flag comes when I, these guys tell me about fake famous. I was like, I'm not going to watch that. Thanks for the, thanks for the look, but, you know, I'm going to make my show. They didn't really know what to do. Like on all those video recordings, they kind of freeze.

They're like, uh, well, I'm going to. to watch it so you should probably watch it like they're trying to they were trying to edge me in you know well so i don't understand why didn't you sue immediately i tried like well uh i tried i called hundreds of attorneys and they all told me sorry kid you just this is how it goes they want 50 000 up front maybe no the the i every attorney i talked to basically I didn't want to go up against HBO. The attorney I finally found that we're dropping this case with had the set of balls that I was looking for from the get-go.

He goes, I don't play golf at their country clubs. I don't give a shit who we're suing. Right. So I was like, you're the man. Okay, so because we never really explained this, let me explain. Real quick. So a lot of people, because they watch, you know, they watch TV and they, they, they think they understand how the law works or how hiring an attorney works.

The problem is if you're in a car accident and let's say I'm in a car accident and some, you know, whatever, a Walmart truck hits me or even if it's a family of four hits me from behind or it's clearly it's their fault. Lawyers will line up to take that case provided they have insurance or money. There's money there that could be gotten. lawyers will line up to take a third because they figure I know that you went to the hospital. I know you spent a day in the hospital or two days. I know you broke your leg.

I know you were out of work for a month and a half. I know this caused you pain. We have photographs at the scene. It was clearly the other person's fault. They have state farm insurance. I know that I can get you $200,000. I'll take a third of that and I'll put up all the money to fight the lawsuit. and the average lawsuit in a personal injury case takes between 12 or 12 to 18 months.

So they know that they know they can get their money back right away. It's worth them putting up 5,000 of their own money because they're going to get $60,000. If they get you a $200,000 settlement, they'll get $60,000. And they're always working these cases. They're getting new cases every month. So it's worth them to put up their own money to get that money. It's a huge return for lawyers, and that's why they're always willing to do a third. Now, here's the problem with Jack's case.

Jack's case is an intellectual property lawsuit, and this is the problem. Even if it's 100% ironclad that the other party stole from you, you can prove it for sure, these cases drag out for five, six, seven, eight years. And that means that the lawyer you hire has to, come out of pocket hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight the case. And in the end, a large corporation like Warner, Sony, HBO, they could bankrupt that attorney. So that attorney typically says, look, I cannot take this on a contingency. You have to pay for this up front. And so they say, look, it's going to cost whatever, $200,000, $300, a million. Maybe like you just

And two million if we end up having to go to a trial. And that's why a lot of these cases, so I'll give you an example of the Hulk Hogan case. So Hulk Hogan, one, he has the money to fight it. So when, and that's why you see things like Hulk Hogan went to trial. The company's lost at trial and they get this $110 million lawsuit. And you think, come on, man, you didn't cost Hulk Hogan $110 million. the truth of the matter is it's really to punish that company because by the time the jury heard that entire thing and it had been eight years since Hulk Hogan's sex tape ended up on the internet

and they knew what they did was wrong and they did do harm to him even though was it 110 million dollars in harm no but the point is is that they're trying to say look we're trying to get these companies to stop doing this and so in in Jack's case in my case in my case that the times that stuff's been stolen from me you're as a as a small person you're at such a disadvantage now look here's what won't happen Sony productions is not going to steal from HBO or from Warner because they're they're equals they can't they'll they'll fight it out and they'll right they'll settle immediately those cases don't go they're not protracted legal battles those are things they're like hey fellas let's just get together

Yeah. Hey, exactly. We're not little people. We're not someone. They meet each other at the Beverly Hills Hotel and we smooth it all over. And they trade. But you're at you and I, people like you and I are at a huge disadvantage. They tell us. Right. So I can see exactly why you were like, look, I'm just trying to salvage this. Just give me credit. Just give me credit. That was all I asked. And I just asked for it. I knew I had them by the balls. And remember, I was videotaping everything. Right. Everything. So every time they mob. me every time they acted like it wasn't mine you know one of the recordings one of my favorite recordings the guy says to me oh they didn't even have the idea right who had the idea right you know so one of that one of but but the but the reason i really really knew i have had this thing was because of the attorney so i knew when my attorney told me you're getting robbed by HBO. Right. Who knew better than him?

Right. And what's so funny is that people hear that and they think, come on, man, why would they do that? I don't know. No, I do. Because now they turn around. They make $50 million. And you're not even, and people like, yeah, but it's so obvious, yes, but don't you understand he's not in a position to do anything about it.

The most he can do is scream and holler. And most other people in the business will tell him, yo, you don't want to do that because you'll have other ideas. You can get in there. Yeah, that's what everybody tells you. Oh, don't do that. Don't do that. It's like, well, you know what? You can't cancel me.

I'm already canceled. Yeah, right. The only thing I can do is use it as a springboard. Listen, that's what I've done every time I, every time I get an opportunity to talk about. I'm going to talk about it. At the very least, I want you to know you're not stealing from me. Yeah. Yeah, that's from me with no repercussion.

Right. Look, I just, yeah, exactly. You just want to be treated. fairly like look what the smart thing would be to do is say hey utilize me dude i've said all i said was put my name on my shit right some you know that there's that there's that there's that meme that went around a while put some respect on my name you know this is all i was all i was asking for was credit right i didn't even ask for money and i had every right to ask for money now i'm asking for money right on your project now i'm asking for money and everything that's rightfully

mine. So, so what happened? So now you've got the lawyer. He's telling you, your HBO stole from you. Yeah. So my attorney, Loeb and Loeb, which is a big time white collar law firm, you know, they are like, I had a big retainer up with them. I had a $10,000 retainer up with them, which isn't, you know, isn't trump change for a kid. Right. The way I look at it. I still look at myself as a kid. My dad keeps telling me, you're a man. People are going to treat you like that. I'm like, yeah, but they still look at you like you're young. You don't know. You're wet behind the years. Right. But it's always about making a deal, right?

So I, so I, so this law firm, this 30 year veteran tells me you're getting robbed by HBO. And I'm like, how could you possibly know that? You know, unless like, and how could I be getting robbed by HBO? Until, until good for you productions, GFY tells me, hey, go check out the show on HBO. Right. Nah, it didn't even click at that moment. It clicked after I called them and told them about my friend Garrett and then I'm down here for his birthday and that, you know, I met, I have him for cast and I have all the other cast members that they call him two hours later and cast him to be on the dating show. Two hours later.

I called them at nine o'clock in the morning. You're not going to let me leave town. No, they had, it was almost like they had, they had to mock me. they needed me to know that they took it right so his girlfriend says to me now i pitched this whole thing as a documentary style reality show they told me on the audio that's a novel concept we never heard of it before so his girlfriend who's like a react who was on one episode of love island before she couldn't even make the cut says uh says um we're what her and i her and i and him are walking around this pool looking for a place to sit the whole place to

packed with this at the SLS and in Brickle and amongst you know just there's a Friday afternoon and seemed like nobody worked and uh I want to say it was a Friday anyhow it was a few years ago so now she says so I'm her and I are only walking now I had no idea where he went he just completely disappeared didn't say word I was like Lauren where did Garricka she's like oh you didn't hear Like, hear what, right? She goes, well, he's going to be on HBO's first ever documentary style reality show. And I was like, and I get the chills right even now saying it because I could feel like that moment of like, oh my God, he's going to be on my show.

Right. So I reach in my phone, I reach in my pocket. I pull my phone out. I like, YouTube it really quick. I'm like fake famous, right? That's what they told me it was called yet like two days ago. I was like, this is it. This is the show.

He's going to be on it. He's going to be on. And she's like, really? Like, how do you know? And she, like, actively watch this trailer. I was like, this is my show. He's going to be on my show. And I'm watching the trailer for the first time with the phone in her hand.

Like, he's going to be on my show. I have a show on HBO. I like, I lost my cool. I was, I mean, my friends thought I thought I was like clinically insane that day. But, you know, they didn't live my life. life. I was like, they made this thing so quickly. I can't even fathom. So I was like, they made the show without me. I got to make myself somebody now. So I ran the Instagram ad that I wanted to run when I was going to shoot the thing and run this Instagram ad. Hi, I'm

Jack Uji. I'm the executive producer at Flip Productions. Have you ever wanted to be famous? This thing took off. The ad went the ad went nuts. I got like 18. thousand views like overnight and then i and then i paused it and i took it down because i was like i was i was getting comments from the guy who supposedly was the was the credited guy on this thing his name is nick built it he's a journalist so now i knew i had them i call i had hired another attorney when my when my attorney seemed that a friend of mine's dad was a was an entertainment attorney So I hit him up, too. And I was like, yo, I have Loeb and Loeb.

They seem a little sketchy. They're telling me about their other client. He goes, yeah, and they're expensive. It's like, I'm only, I'm not going to be that much. So I was, you know, my friend's dad, it was comfortable. So I call him up. I'm like, dude, I got robbed by HBO. These guys were HBO.

Loeb told me. And he just, this was like a little beyond him. He ultimately told me. He's like, I, you know, I haven't dealt with something like this. right he's like but why would they do that if they signed an nda you own them and and that's when it clicked that i had to figure out how this worked and i said to him well i'm going to call back lobe he goes good then you know keep keep recording record them too now right so now i call up lobe and i record them and i get them to admit on the recording like they tried to they they basically ask

of representation. Just me asking them questions, they asked for representation. They said, this really isn't going well. I got to get somebody else on this call. Okay. Because I called them out. You know, I had these two partners stuttering over each other. And I was like, you remember our last call?

Like you guys told me, this all sounded a lot like the HBO, what was going to be on HBO, it sounded like the, you know, whether I pitched the dating elements or I pitched the, or I pitched the influencer elements and we get on I played a coy and all of a sudden I was like so I want to talk to you guys you guys said I like like what's up with this fake famous

the guy pretends to Google you can hear he's like he's not even the keyboard's not even click it right right and he goes F-A-K-E F-A-M-O-U-S okay now I got it pulled up like he never said it to begin with like he didn't know it this is the first he's hearing about it

Yeah. So I was like, holy shit. Like, even these, even these attorneys are actors. You know, I'm like, everybody's an actor. Right. They're all, yeah, they're all, they're all protecting their own ass. So now, so now I get, so he goes, I never said any of this. I don't know. Did you say this? He passes it off to his partner. And his partner goes, uh, no, but maybe we did because it was in the tray within the day or so before the call. I was like, bingo. You know, now I got my attorney admitting they told. me about this that they may have told me about maybe yeah he's covering himself with maybe i don't recall i'm not but like come on you wouldn't have said maybe if he wasn't like the the layman when you're showing this amongst the court of in to peers like they just because you said maybe people are they going to are people are people going to believe it or not you know right well i think people people they don't believe in coincidences especially with something like this is

I've got five coincidences already right here. Right. You know? And once you hit a five, once you hit five coincidences, probability says there's a 99% chance. It's no longer coincidence. Right. So then what? So we didn't even get to the dating show.

But now I got these guys pinned. And I'm like, you know, and I'm videotaping everything. So I was like, you know, throughout the process, I'm like, I'm really going to actually make the documentary about how to become famous. now you know because i'm gonna i'm gonna if this whole thing is a story like tiger king was right i got i'm you know it's the same as that movie big fat liar i was referencing where the kid is uh gets ripped off by the hollywood producer right any videotape the guy admitting it so i go through so now for months i'm playing on the defense with these guys i kept changing ideas i mean they got really impatient with me i kind of felt bad for the amount of time i wasted at some

point. But they ripped me off. So I built my evidence. So I slowly questioned and asked all these things and I slipped it in like I was feeding them more information, but I wasn't really feeding them information anymore. And every call we had, I would change the concept. Then I blew off a call because I want to see what would happen. Next thing you know, my friend Garrett calls me from the set. Kids only got 20 minutes a week to use his phone supposedly on a bunch of the podcast. he talked about after the fact he said we didn't even have phone access we were isolated so who knows which one's true but one of which one of which uh must be and if he had 20 minutes a week he used he used it to call me right you know he wasn't calling his mother like so so uh

and and and and when i cast him to be on the show i run back an audio for him of one of my interviews. I played the guys. I played all the team members at GFY. And I didn't play any information that was content about the show. I made sure to like really pick what I was showing him. And I played back three seconds of the man's voice, the woman's voice and the other guy's voice. And at the woman's voice, he's like, play that back. I mean, I played it back for him 15 times. And he goes, I really think that's who cast me. I was like, okay. sign this NDA and will you testify in court if that that's true? She's like, of course.

Like I got, you know, like what are you talking about? I just got cast it. I'm going to be a big time. Yeah, that's what he tried to spin it with when I, when I recorded him. So I have, I have an interview I did with him for like two hours that I just, I just wanted to make sure I got him admitting it. I was like, yo, Garrett, really, as my friend, you're going to spin this now and say that that that didn't happen?

Yeah, no, it did. it did. So I like, I covered my, but I couldn't, I couldn't believe. I'm like, you know, everybody's out for themselves no matter what, you know. It's so you really think of people your friends. So I, so I, uh, I so I slowly start piecing this thing together and I'm calling hundreds of attorneys. I mean, well, you take this, will you take this? Will you take this? Some of them like, you got 20 hours. Who want to watch 20 hours of footage, you know? So after like six months, I was like, you know what? I got to clip out the elements and put them together for him.

So I ended up going to this, I went to this one firm in the city that I play back the footage for this guy. And I spent like three weeks. I clipped out all these important things. And it's like very rudimentary editing. But it's like, you know, the guy goes, yeah, they didn't even have the idea. Oh, yeah, you can make the show in three days and make it look like it took place. over the year. Oh, yeah, we had enough time to edit that to make that documentary. I showcase the lawyer committing malpractice. That's when like they all like perked up on the

edge of their seat. They're like, we can make some money with this kid. But same thing, like you said, if you're not going to pay us, not going to pay us 35 grand. We can't wait five years to get a settlement. And they wanted and they were like, we're going to, we want to do this tight and quick. We want to go after the attorney for committing malpractice. And then and then, you know, we'll back into your credit like that. I'm like, dude, I want to go after the law firm too because, you know, I have my own issues with the law firm. But like, I got to get credit, man. If I don't get credit, then I don't have a career. So I just kept on the horse. And I, and I, when I finally was at the point a year and a half in of like, I can't do this anymore, I started calling PR firms.

I was like, I got to just build a reputation for myself. The first pre-ar from I call, he goes, well, have you hired a lawyer? I was like, man, I just spent, like, I just called 110 of them. He goes, no, you just didn't call the right ones. Call this guy. And I call him. He's like, yeah, I'll take it. And that was it.

Like, from then on, I've been, you know, putting it together for like the last eight months. And, you know, tomorrow's lunch day. okay what do you mean what's happening tomorrow tomorrow is when we dropped the suit filed a lawsuit yeah but the complaint the complaint yeah um I mean we sent them letters you know hey I have I mean my friend Garrett calls me after the show my friend Garrett was in on it by the end he had he calls me and he goes hey what's up I just won your show you know I like that's like I have this shit on recording dude and then I have another one he goes come on bro we know what happened they just took they just sold the show like great you're gonna

yeah you're okay with that like like you're my buddy you're okay with that yeah like basically he's telling me oh just move on they sold the show like dude like and he's like he's like I got fucked out of money too which which which is the this is the this is the most ironic part of the thing the kid goes on the show right they film this whole show if he dumped the girl he got a hundred grand in the end if he picked to split it with the girl and stay together they split 50 he dumped the girl for the 50 grand for the hundred grand right he calls me to tell me he won the show and then he won the hundred grand right the show is already filmed to that point right they really did was the the produce like s tx which which that which was the production which was the production

production company that produced the show, which that guy at Grand Street Media was partners with also. He wasn't only partners with Warner. He was partners with STX. So that's the front business. You know, it was like no different than like the mob. They had a front business and a back. I know.

So, so they had so with the, yeah, I feel like the average American miss is that. No, no, no, they don't, they don't understand it. And they think, and right now people are like, why would. Warner not pay these guys, you know, a few hundred thousand? Like, they wouldn't do that. Yes, they would. Because, you know, the truth of the matter is, they made millions off of me. Right. Right. And you and I think, well, I don't understand. Like, if I'm going to make 20 million dollars, why wouldn't I pay this guy a million? It was his show. He was that because the truth is they've set up the system so that they are able to continue to behave this way. I know right now

I've been contacted by production companies who are going so far as to say we're trying to get to people that have stories before those stories are actually published and my thought is so I can steal them before anybody else gets the opportunity

to steal them so that there's no even proof that they were published and turned into it so before there's even you even own the intellectual property we can steal it Yeah. Because let's face it, if I write a story, now you say, okay, you wrote it, it's yours, wait. Now, to really document it and turn it into intellectual property that you own, you need to be able to publish it in your name.

Even if it's on a website on the internet, that's still just like publishing it in, you know, Esquire magazine or GQ. Now it's published. There's a, there's a date stamp with my name attached to it. I own it. And then if you want to go a step further, you can say, I'm also going to have. place it i'm going to put a copyright on it right you don't even need the copyright really but because that really is your copyright when it's published but still now they're they're going out and i get contacted all the time what they're doing is they're going to places like like

concrete and value tainment and vlad and they go and they'll watch those to try and find somebody telling their stories just telling your story isn't isn't intellectual property so then they go to that kind of recording is right but you didn't make it i i didn't own it no in your i get it i understand i'm just saying for the average guy no right right right right like like you own this right right now right right yeah tech i mean yeah i own this but i don't you know i'd have to write it up and it would be no but essentially you only well the audio is the audio is copyrightable okay so here's here's what what's happening is it's it's It's funny, too, because you know how many people that there's a guy that was on this show called, his name was, his name is Jeff Turner, counterfeiter. And I, you know, after the show, I was like, bro, man, you got a great story. You got to write it down. I was trying to get them. You got to write it down. You know, I'll publish it on my website. Like, I talk to these people's time. They're always contacting me to, you know, on, you know, what stuff I've got because I've optioned a bunch of people's stuff. And I talk to production companies. They're always contacting me because of the show. And I'm like, you know, I'll, I'll throw yours in the mix. Like, they,

maybe we're looking for your. Well, in between that time, he starts writing. He actually gets contacted by a producer who says, we want to write a script. So then he calls me, he's like, this is what they're saying. Then I go back, I go, no, no, no, you tell them you want something. You tell him you want. And so I negotiate with him to help get him a deal that's only an option. So it's like, I'm going, I don't take anything for that. That's your story. I want you to have your story. I didn't have to write the story. Like if he said, hey, will you help me write it? Okay, well, now I deserve something. Right. But at this point, but at this point, point, I've already got a, you know, I'm making money off of the video, a little here,

a little there. I want the best for him. Right. That's fine. But most people, but most people would be like, yo, but you've got to give me production credit because I helped you to produce now. Yeah, I want 20% because I made a phone call. Yeah, bro. Exactly. So, yeah, I, I, so, so you're dropping the lawsuit, dropping a lawsuit. That's such, that's such a prison sling. Um, so. Yeah, I'm dropping the lawsuit. No, that's what I haven't calling it too. Listen, my family friend, that guy Corey, told me when we were out making

working on a movie I wanted to make he said to me, I'm writing a show right now about a guy who's in prison and metaphorically I took this as my roadmap when I realized I was ripped off by his friends

and whether he said it for that intention or not, somehow it fit. but the he said to me i'm writing a story right now about a guy who's in jail and he breaks out but rather rather i'm sorry the guy who's in jail and while he's in jail he figures out how to solve everybody else's crime but he can't solve his own to the point that he studies every legal book in the prison and becomes a lawyer without passing the bar but he becomes a lawyer

yeah jail health lawyer yeah so now he goes this guy is helping all the other criminals to do whatever but the only way for him to get out is for him to basically to break out yeah it was the intention right and i'm like i'm like is that the mentality that's the mentality of entertainment business you know if if if this breaking out i'm very like metaphor okay okay okay okay if the whole premise is like breaking out you know come can help everybody else but you have to break out to yeah or break yourself out nobody's going to help you when the time comes no nobody's going to help you nobody's i would love that video nobody's coming to help you nobody it's up to you if you if you don't grab it by that listen i spent the last two years of my life fighting for this for this thing

and whether it's whether whether Jesus wants it for me or not we'll find out you know right only want his will anyway but but this is the most but I have like I've worked so hard for this thing that like I can't believe it at this you know

the method and the path and like where it's common where it's going when it's funny when I was in let's say when I was locked up I wrote a book for a guy named Ephraim Debroli. I'll give you the short version

because long version's too long. Yeah, people will be like, bro, come on, man. It's not about you, Cough. Well, I'm making about me for a couple minutes. Yeah, do it. So, there's a guy named Ephraim Debroli. I read an article in Rolling Stone magazine called a dude, no, called Arms and the Dudes. And it was optioned.

And then I was in there with the guy, and he was one of the guys in the article. So I approach him and I said, hey, you ought to think about writing a story. You know, I was working on my memoir at the time. I said, I'm writing a story about myself. You ought to think about writing a memoir. And he's like, I can't do that. You know, okay.

He said, I'm ADHD. I'm fucking, there's no way I can't pay attention to I know. That's okay. I said, well, if you ever want any help, you know, I'll help you. No problem. So anyway, eventually we end up connecting again. And he finds out that it's been optioned to the guys that make the hangover movies. No way.

And he was like, yeah, bro, they're going to make a movie about my life. And I was like, bro, you seem smarter than this. Like, you understand that that article was written based on your business partner's point of view. Right. You're not getting anything because you won't write a story about yourself. If you wrote a story about yourself, you could maybe get a series. You could maybe get it turned into something. But this means your business partner is going to make the money.

And it's going to be his version. I see, the truth is the guys, I wouldn't want the guys that made the hangings. over a movie to make a movie about me because they'd make me look like a clown. Right. I said, those movies are, they're movies about guys that are just complete numskills. Like, they're going to make you look like, like Jeff Spacoli from, you know, pastime at Ridgemont High. I said, you've got to go back out there and be a businessman, right?

Right. He only had a few years. So he's like, when can we start? So we start and I write his story. Well, he's really a scumbag. Right. So I write a story with him. I introduce him to my literary agent.

they start scheming together and decide they want me to write this thing as fast as possible so they can publish it so that they can get it into Warner Brothers' hands so they can sue Warner Brothers for stealing it from them. So.

You can't play it like that. You got to actually, wow. That's you. And at this point, Warner Brothers hadn't done anything wrong. No. They didn't do anything wrong. They bought an article. You know, this kid, this other kid,

his business partner, reporter. He published the article. Warner Brothers bought the article. They were going to make a movie. When I say when I say Warner Brothers, they were in production with or connection with the production company that makes the hangover movies. What's his name of Todd Phillips? So okay, you know, so anyway, they actually, I write the story really, really quickly. They do publish it. By the way, at this point, they just stopped talking to me. Like this kid left the prison with the book. And I've never been paid. I never got paid from him.

him, right? So next thing I know, I find out they've published the book. Okay, I'm making phone calls. You know, I talk to him every once in a while, not him, but to the, he never talked to me again. I talked to the, uh, the, the, the literary agent who's working, trying to work a deal doing this, doing that, but it ends up, he ends up getting it into the hands of a producer who does documentaries. He convinces him, hey, I've got this manuscript. You might want to do a documentary on it and the kid says yeah i'll do it he signs an india he sends it to him and then like he already knows this kid who's like in his 20s is the he is the son of the vice president of warner brothers he already knows that so he gets him that and then a couple weeks later a month or so later

he's talking to him on the phone and he says and he's like hey what are you know how are we doing have you shopped it around he's like yeah it turns out warner brothers is going to go ahead and make the movie based on the article and he goes well how do you know that and he goes oh my dad is the vice president of warner brothers and he says i didn't know that you should have told me that i would have never sent you the now you're telling me that the vice president of warner brothers has a manuscript written by i can't believe and he yells at him and hangs up but he knew it the whole time because he had told me already that the kid who he was so now he hires a lawyer warner brothers comes out with a movie a year later or so right year year and a half later

but he's got now he's got a reason to sue him he sues them the movie by the way that it came out the article was arms and the dudes but the movie was called um was called war dogs oh shit right so you know who you know Jonah Hill plays yeah Jonah Hill plays Ephraim Devoroli yeah oh my gosh I wrote his memoir that's awesome so Debroli never you know he's he's suing Warner brothers Then I sue Devereoli and the literary agent for stealing my stuff and then I own the copyright. Like you stole it and you're using my, you're using my material to perpetrate a fraud. I blow up. Listen, this kid was supposed, he would have probably made whatever, $50 million on that lawsuit because they really had Warner Brothers.

I come in and I explained to Warner Brothers that it's a scam. I was in on it. I was there when they schemed it. we were in the visitation room at the prison and i start having proof i can prove this i can prove that so they end up settling for virtually very little money i then sue i then get out of prison i sue devoroli devoroli and i we end up having to settle in the meantime the the produce sorry the literary agent he dies he actually died the same day they came up with the agreement on with warner brothers he dies that day they they end up having an agreement

to settle the lawsuit he dies that night So anyway, the point is, is that, you know, it goes both ways. But, I mean, like, I've been in that. And listen, Warner Brothers was vicious. It was like, why does, I'm in prison. You guys could have come and given me 20 grand. I would have gone away. I cost this kid.

He told me, you cost me tens of millions of dollars. I was like, yeah, you could have come and give me fucking 10 or 20 grand. I would have been thrilled to get out of prison with $10,000 in my pocket. Yeah. Thrilled. You got nothing to lose. That's what they don't seem to understand by. That's what they don't get.

I got, see, everybody's, everybody's coming at, that's what I, you know, when everybody told me that you, you, you, you can't go fight this fight.

You're never going to have a career. I'm like, I got nothing to lose. They took my work already. Right. When I have no career. Here's the thing. Look,

if you make it like your, if this ends up being your defiant thing in your life that, then honestly, then they really have fucked you. But, you know, everybody thinks that like, oh,

you need to go on and do something. No, wait a minute. Guess what? I can do both. Like, I can fight this and I'll continue to work. And there are so many, like 20 years ago. Ready to roll. And I'm a free agent now.

Well, I was going to say 20 years ago, they could shut you down. Because there was only three big production companies. And they worked kind of in conjunction. Oh, this guy left this. It still is three publishers. Well, I understand. But there's lots of little. there's lots of little independent production companies.

So Netflix isn't one of those three. You know what I'm saying? Like Hulu isn't. Like Apple isn't. Like there's tons of little ones that work with smaller production companies. So you can. That's all the distribution stuff. But like the producing stuff, look, at the end of the day, I know how to produce,

but I can write my own stuff and I can direct my own stuff. Right. But like producing is just putting all the pieces together. right and and like most people have the ability to produce you have an iPhone you go pick up one of these body mics that you know i'm wearing and like all of a sudden you're you're you can you can put the pieces together to make this thing yeah oh listen anybody can make a documentary but but i mean look the right now the the the production value of you can get cameras you can rent the cameras you can get everything right so the only thing

then is like do you have a some recognizable actors um do you have listen there's or you have enough or you have enough that it just picks that that it goes viral i was going to say or you you have a strong enough story that it runs with the story and it it does it pick and there's there's tons of movies that you didn't have anybody in them like there there was nobody and they end up blowing up and they made them for $40,000 or $50,000 and they end up being, those are the ones that make, you know, Blair Witch Project, you know, exactly. You're going to make this for $50,000 and it makes, brings in millions and millions of dollars. Byroning brought in $309 million. And they've shot half that shit on a, on a camcorder in the moment. Yeah, but that guy knew what he was doing.

He was pretty good, you know. Um, yeah, no, for sure. And, you know, you know, Or maybe you come up with something like, do you know what the Blair Wedge project was? Yeah, exactly. That's kind of, so that was, this sort of thing has been my mentality. That's what I was going to turn this into is the documentary about how it works.

And this is the heart of what I've been trying to get to with you. And I always get on a tangent because I care about like the, what in my mind is the art of how I was going to make this thing and how it got botched. Right. But is the fact that the industry is designed to do this. And the way it's designed to do this is so simple. but nobody no nobody can follow it and the premise is that all these production companies are 1099 independent contractors and they utilize this 1099 independent contractor structure as

yeah because now what I'm going to do is I'm going to sue GFY productions right which is probably worthless maybe it's got 20 grand in it right which is what they allocated to like what would be a first time union wage. So I didn't want to be a union worker, but they're using the 1099 structure to be a union worker. So you sue this little nothing company, you take everything, and it's like basically what they want, what Warner wanted to pay for the idea. It's no, Walt Disney, Walt Disney stole all land for the park. I don't know if you know that story.

No, I know that he bought the ton of the land using various entities. So nobody really knew what was happening until it was too late. Exactly. And that's, and that's what these guys did with my work, right? I didn't know what was happening. They teased me. They mocked me. There's all, you know, if I just put all the mocking together, it's, it's its own, you know, video. Yeah, but that, that may be a little documentary, a one hour documentary. That's what, listen, there's, it's a series like Tiger King. There's, there's 10 episodes and whatever else. And, you know, I already copy wrote it, so I'm good and, you know. But the whole thing, MTV published in the courts. now. But, you know, I'm just trying to, I can't stop them, right? You and I can't stop them, but what we can do is we can bring recognition to it. And we can say, look, this is a structure, this is the structure that their attorneys created for them because the attorneys are probably some of the biggest corrupt other than the politicians. I mean, we don't even have to go down

that path but but like you know that the attorneys more than likely establish this structure for them so that they can go out and call call the concepts parallel ideas which is what they constantly told me you know you have you're we liked what you were saying but it was really just kind of a parallel idea to the network but but you know yeah to another idea that we've already been working on or that or or oh yeah that's interesting you know i've heard that thrown around before they throw that might throw that out there and then they've already got another production company ready to go to say hey make go ahead and run with this on this production company and then that way if they ever subpoena those people and they say well

we've been working on that for months like that's it was just a pair two two of the same very similar ideas same time it's just a coincidence it's a huge coincidence and then you know and then you know what that does you know why they do that it skirts the nDA yeah yeah Oh, yeah, of course. So now you've skirted the NDA and you've said that that was like, that's like not valuable. Yeah. Then all these 1099 structures, which are set up in case you could beat that NDA charge, like now you have these 1099 structures in place, like in a circle where they just pass the shit around. Right.

It's like Gawker media getting sued. They just closed down. Yep. We'll just do another product. company right there you're never getting your 110 million dollars like we'll just close the whole we'll claim bankruptcy and we'll close the whole thing down and you get get a few if you even if you you might not even get a million or two no so and then that's that same staff of people go over here and they start another company same group same everybody and that's all they do is they just they just hop

around look I learned I learned in finance how this works because I you know I in in the brokerage business business in in my dad's in the brokerage business for the 30 years and and and uh equity derivative brokerage and and there was there was these big players and these they call them idbs the inner dealer brokers they're they're no different than than like like a facilitation desk at a bank but they're independence so they they connect all the customers these idbs use 1099s basically basically for legal slavery. So the way that they do it is they'll, you want, if you're a broker and you have, you know, a track record of, of producing, you know, a million, two million, three million in commissions a year, they'll front you like 500 grand in a 1099 as a debt forgiveness. Then what they do is, this is all perfectly legal. But then what they do is you now go work for them and they paid you 500 grand up front and you gross a million bucks. for the year. You have to pay, you had to pay 250 in taxes on that. And now they pay you a little bit of a difference. And you use that to go pay your taxes now at the end of the year. Because

nine, nine out of ten guys were street guys who didn't know any better. Like, I got 500 grand in cash in my bank account. And they spent it. So now, you're in debt to that company. And they'll give you another 1099 the next year. And hopefully you learn better. But more than likely you need that next 500 grand to pay the taxes on the last 500 grand right because you probably broke even and then they keep this they keep this train going so when i realized that my attorney told me what these guys were doing and i saw that it was this 1099 thing i saw that they were playing with the same 1099 structure that i had just come from in in finance so i was like huh they just pass it off instead of using the 10 you know they just pass it from 1099 to 1099

it's hot potato okay and they're all independent of of the network you know the network because all the network has to say is we didn't facilitate that right wasn't we're really sorry you you you dealt with a production company like that yeah yeah we had no idea we just bought the product from the production company and keep in mind too you signed something and they sign everybody signed something saying that we'll we'll um you know we'll make you whole or we'll um what is the term where you you you say we'll um indemnify you they'll will indemnify you from any lawsuit so they have to product they have to protect you or or say um accept liability on your behalf because i'm telling you i own this product i haven't stolen it here it's yours and if anybody comes after you i'll

indemnify you so they'll sue me and i'll represent you and the truth is you know sony from the very beginning probably already knew something was wrong or warner or whoever the production company they all they all knew and the reason i can prove that now which is why i'm fighting this is because i got the lawyer on tape right um So funny, man. I ended up with a lawyer, too, that was just, you know, I called and called. Same thing. I called and called and called. Couldn't find anybody. Finally got a guy, got a complete maniac lawyer. And I was like, this is insane. But he was, he was great. He was great. But yeah, he was a maniac. He's like, yeah. You guys who were like not afraid of the, you know. I was like, this is, this is the best I could do. But, you know, but also, it wasn't the best. It was like, but you need, the guy was also a maniac. He'd sued all these huge companies. He'd gotten all these massive lawsuits like in the end i realized like wow i'm super lucky to even have to have

this lawyer and not only that i got a great lawyer like i got a better lawyer than if i had given him a hundred grand no i got the same thing i got the same thing my my this guy this guy that's representing me i mean you know he's represented rick ross he or gone up against him one or the other and he he beat the new york yankees which is like definitely a feat right after sorrows you know he's not afraid oh listen when when i finally when we finally settled the lawsuit he was like okay what do you how do you want to do i said bro you can take it all and he was like what because i realized he's been fly he's flown to miami they and his partner they flew me up here they've done deposition they've done it's like yeah look bro like i already know you're in the hole

he's i am in the hole i was like he's like i'm not going to take the whole thing now he said that's i'm like i said but i get it if you did no no you know but i was just at that point i was like, I was, I just wanted to make sure I took as much as I could from Devoroli. Yeah. Because at that point, I was living in someone's spare room. You know, I'd gotten out of prison. We're dealing with those guys. That's so crazy.

I love that. That was one of the movies throughout this thing that I was like, that's how this all works. Oh, yeah. Oh, listen, if you knew, it's funny too because Devoroli, like, you can't buy his book. Like, he, I think he's trying to sell him for like a hundred bucks a piece or something, the hard copies or something. Like, he doesn't even want it out there. But the, the real story is so.

the real, real story, not Wardogs, because by the way, Wardogs is just complete fiction. Not complete, but 80% of it's just fiction. The real story is over the top, amazing. You can't believe it. Yeah.

I would love it. That's the movie that should have been made. That would have been a series. This kid's life, he and Packow's, that their lives are an absolute series. Yeah, because they're just crazy, right? It's just like, it's a couple of young guys who got a little too much money and like, well, no, it's, it's not that. It's, it's that you're, you're 19 years old and you're bidding against, you know, Lockheed Martin. You know, you're, you're up against the, and you're, you're coming in under bid. You don't really know, even know how you're going to pull this off. You're leveraging millions of dollars. You're 19. And you're leveraging millions of dollars like, okay, we. We have. We have to have two million dollars to do this it's like you're 19 or 20 years old how how do you

even deal with that and this is a guy that when he started off he's living it he's basically living in someone's spare room he's driving a 10 year old beat to shit Mercedes now he very once he started making money he ends up getting a nicer place a nicer vehicle but still nothing crazy not like in a movie right what i think they were down in the continuum they were living or at least in the movie they had them in the continuum them. It's a building in South Beach. Yeah, he was living in something called like the Flamingo something. There was two different buildings. There's an old building

and then there's a new one, which is a huge high-rise. But like in the movie he's driving like they're driving Porsches, but none of that happens. No. Like, you know, in the movie, remember the do you remember in the movie like the guy takes the gun and sticks it to pack house's head and he's going to kill him and like that never happened? remember they bring them money at the end of the movie that never like there's 80 to 90 90% that movie just just didn't happen but that character was a real character no i'd say both the characters were it was definitely they were that's exactly how they both are the uh the

terrorist yeah that's a guy they change his name in the movie his real name is tome it's like um shit i forget his first name it's something tome he's really he's on and that's exactly true he's on the terrorist watch list like you can't come to the United States he's he's he's a serious guy like he really is a like a Victor bot like that's the guy who is the

Lord of War is based on him he really is a Victor bot like it's it's and he's Swedish yeah he's a Swede speaks German you know sells to anybody and they end up Devereoli ends up hooking up with him

but but I mean look like the deals we're talking about Devereoli, who's at this point, I think about, I think he's like 21 or 22. He's 21. He's flying into former Soviet bloc countries in Europe. And they're walking them onto the military bases. And he's walking through these massive bunkers of weapons going, uh, okay, these, I'll take 10,000 AK-47s. Are those sniper, are those, are those drag-oves? Yeah.

Okay. I need 5,000 of those. Um, and then they start arguing. They're like, okay, we, this, uh, a hundred and fifty dollars. I'm not paying $150. That's not going to happen. And he starts arguing and yelling and screaming. And then he would go and get on the phone. Let me call my boss. Let me see what I can do. He is the boss. Yeah. Yeah, he calls his girlfriend. Hey, what are you doing? Yeah, I'm here. I'm, I'm in fucking Lithuania. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. He thinks I'm talking my boss. So what are you doing? Talks to him for 20 minutes, comes back and says, 2.7 million. We won't do another, a dollar. or more. That's it. I mean, they go back and you're arguing with generals that haven't been paid in six months. Yeah. So yeah. And then he's got to get them on planes. They have to fly the planes in. He's getting ripped off left and right. That whole, uh, the whole part about repacking the ammo is real. That's how he got met. Those are really, yeah, he repackaged all the ammo. the ammo had been donated by China to Albania.

And he knew it was Chinese and he shipped it anyway. He'd actually already shipped four or five million rounds before he realized. And the army had accepted it. Yeah, that's crazy. Right. So, which was fine. I mean, it's not fine. The army doesn't know if it's okay or not.

They just know, hey, we're looking, we need AK-47 rounds. give me okay you got so great they're not checking hey I think that there's an embargo they don't give a shit so what is that but then pack owls realizes hey there's an issue and he mentions it and Devereoli could have said no it's fine let's just keep going instead he called he contacts the military and asked them about about it and they say no you can't ship that had he never asked There never would have been a problem. Wow.

Because he asked and was told no and continued to do it, he created a conspiracy. They said, you conspired to defraud us. That's really it. Like the New York Times came out with an article that said it was all old and corrosive. But the truth is, none of it was corrosive. Like, none of it was bad. It all worked. You know, they were just upset because you've got these massive companies that are being underbid by these

these young kid stoner kids the truth of the matter is is it's just like in that in the movie like the lynchpin of the whole thing is like somebody there's always you know my conspiracy belief about the whole about life is that there's like some evil evil doer all the way atop all the money and power and control and they're doing and we're all just slaves to like the banking system sort of a thing where somebody wanted to fund that transaction right you know i mean i just want to get on the merry go round right yeah i just want to be a part of it i'm sorry i don't want to be on i just throw me let me get on so i can get my send i just want to be able to i just want my stories to get out there yeah no exactly but that's but like that's being an artist i think

i think that's totally different no i don't want to screw anybody over i just want to be so you know i want to expose the truth yeah that's dangerous game though yeah yeah um oh yeah listen like your your whole you're saying you know your whole christianity thing right you understand that i had a deal with a production company that stopped dealing with me part of it was you know because they started talking about just america and just like some what it's too long of a story but one of the inch sound engineers while we were recording ends up making a crack about how the whole system's rigged by old white men, something. And I went, okay.

And I just kept going. And then she said something else. And then they were like, what do you think about that? And I said, well, I mean, I get what you're going for here. I said, you know, there are like there's no perfect system. Right. And I said, you know, so. And they go, what do you mean?

I said, well, look, it's like this. I said, it's like, I said, it's a difficult concept. I said, do you know what is a beautiful concept? And they go, what? I said, communism. Everybody works together. They work for the betterment of society. They all share in the spoils.

It's a wonderful, wonderful concept that we all grow together. I said, but it doesn't work. It's never worked in any fashion. It's been tried for the last hundred years. And it's a complete failure every single time. I said, so we need to put that aside. I said, do you know what is a horrible? concept, the idea of capitalism. Individuals work off of the labor of other people and they use

their, they use capital to get higher and higher. I said, but you know what ends up happening as a result of that? It raises everybody up. I said, now, I said, so if you work hard, if you're smart and you work hard, you do better. I said, then other people. I said, but it's a difficult concept, so people hate it. And I said, so I said, it's kind of like I feel about church. I said, I go to church, I don't believe 100% of everything that's in the Bible, but I know that when I go and I listen to the preacher talk, I walk out of there and I take what I can from what he said that I believe in. And I always feel better because it's reaffirming for life and for just being a decent human. And I said, so I'm okay with that. I don't have to believe every single thing. And I said, you know, I said, so I said, that's just how I feel. So there, and there was some other arguments involved. And I said, and I said, and there was some other arguments involved. right she brings up Andrew Tate she brings up some of the things that I end up saying eh the problem with the Andrew Tate is I said I don't believe in everything he believes in but I do believe in working hard get off your ass work hard work out be a good person

work hard and make things happen for yourself you know I don't believe all the other things be promiscuous have as many girlfriends as well I don't believe that I don't you know but whatever I can I don't have to believe everything well because it said that we don't their car journey right listen within three days my can't my contract is canceled they don't want to work with me they said we don't share the same values wow now they were in california i'm in florida so it was like like i don't know what the owners of public supermarket what their values are i still go there to get food like it's like what are you doing like you here yeah and but so So when you, with the wearing the cross and some of the things that you've said, like, that's already an issue for people in California.

Oh, you know it. It's a, it's a huge issue for them. They're like, you know, it's like, like, I don't. I wouldn't be sitting here telling my story today if I didn't believe that Jesus was Lord. Right. I mean, listen, I get it. But the problem is, is that they in a frenzy. Huh?

They're going to come after. They're going to try and silence me for that. Right. And that's what I don't understand. Like, well, what? To me, that's prejudice. I know. If they're fighting against prejudice,

they're now prejudiced. You're saying that because I'm Christian, you dislike me? You don't want to do anything to do with me? You think you're validating, screwing me over because I believe in God or I believe in Jesus or I believe in the Bible. It only proves further that it's all real

because, you know, if, if they're, then they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're worshipping the beast. Hey, I have a question. Have you ever, you ever, you ever listen to Jordan Peterson? I really don't. No, I don't. I don't. Can I, I, I hear and there, I've listened to it, but I got to tell you the, the truth of the whole thing is when this all went down and I realize that all media is just a lie, I stopped consuming all of it, cold turkey. No, listen, you have to, Jordan Peterson breaks down, um, Bible stories. and he's like, look, put aside

the religious aspect. Let's break it. It's not religion. It's a relationship. Well, listen, he breaks down the stories, and he just understands, he just explains that the stories themselves are just about good and evil.

It's just about triumph. It's just about, so he starts explaining them in such a way that it is so validating. And he's like, look, let's put a way, let's put God. aside if you if you don't want to believe in follow the bible because of god then follow it then let's just listen to what the basic of the story is and he explains it in such a great way you're like wow at the end of it it's so life affirming and you're like like it just makes you think you know what in the

end you just you need to be a decent person yeah like it's great you really should do it all you have to do is try right that's it just try just try try and spread the gospel just try to do your best when you know you got to try when you know right because like look as as we all we all have that inherent wanting to like i could just do that you know yeah all like no i could do that and get away with it and no one'll know but it's when you stop i fully full heartedly believe it's when you stop and you say i know i could but i'm not gonna right you know that that that because like there's something more than all this well i tell you those people on hollywood better hope not well they they sold out bro they you know i just don't look listen you know what's so funny is like

when i had a ton of money when i had tons of money and i was you know it was just you know whatever ball and could get whatever i want miserable miserable that's my point i listen i i i i i don't even want to go to this element because i don't want to sell myself like this but i grew up around a lot of people with a lot of money yeah i worked for a multi my dad worked for a multi my dad worked for a multi-billionaire. So like, you know, this was, I was like the entry level of that society, you know, but like, but, but we were, you know, my, my dad is not that well, like, my dad's well off, but he's not like those guys. Yeah, yeah. You know, those guys make, those guys have so much money they could buy you, you know, and, and I grew up with a lot of friends in that, that grew up

like that. You know, I went to school with people who were like, not Roth's child, but like, maybe were, you know, or like, they were founders of America and all these sorts of things. And I'm like, all these kids, it's like my portfolio, my trust fund, my this, my that. I remember coming home and asked my parents, was it a trust fund and then being like, don't worry about it. And I was like, I never have to worry about it. Yeah. I was like, well, what are these kids talking about, you know?

But that was like, I, but the more and more you look around, like, nobody's happy. And what it proves is like, no. no matter how much money you have, you can't buy that. You can, and that's what I found in the gospel. Do you really need to, the Jordan Peterson thing? Because he talks about it all time. He talks about sitting in your Toyota and some guy drives buying a Lamborghini and you think, God, wow, I want to be that guy.

And he's like, do you want to be that guy? Do you have any ideas? Do you have any idea? You could be that guy. Huh? Or, I mean, no, oh, I absolutely. Absolutely. But he also says, look, he's like, the thing is, I counsel those guys. That guy's married to a woman that despises him. His children don't like him. He works 80 hours a week. He's got a bunch of money. He thinks money means everything. He starts breaking it down. That guy thinks about committing suicide once or twice a week. And he's miserable. So, you know, you don't know what he had to do to get there.

I know people in that circle, and it's, it, listen, the mentor I told you about, the first mentor I told you, my mentor who taught me business was, is one of the, he was one of the largest pork dealers, pork, pork purveyors in all of America. You've eaten his pork. He supplies Borishead, stop a chop, Walmart, BJ's Costco Price Club. I love it. It's his pork. We all eat his pork if you eat pork. So this man was one of the, you know, the most successful business owner I knew personally. And the only difference and somebody I do know that as a billionaire told me the only difference

between a medium-sized business owner and a large business owner is the amount of money they started with. And this guy started a medium-sized business with $500. So, you know, for those that don't know what a medium-sized business is, that's something that grosses over $100 million a year. small businesses below 20 so this guy started this business on 500 bucks from his dad's sausage he had a sausage business and they turned it into he turned it into the largest portage region he had so much money and I loved him to death but he was depressed and he took and he took his own life and that people wouldn't believe that because because he had six cars and he had six cars and he he had a house on the beach and he had a house in Florida and he used, you know. Well, because people have to believe that the reason they're unhappy is because they don't

have enough money. The problem is they get that money and they're still unhappy and you know what they do? They want to kill themselves. Or they think, well, if I got that company, well, if I did this, well, if I got a new wife, at some point you get all that and you realize that's not what, that's not it. But typically by then, you got to, you got to, you got to, you got to, you got to destroy. your ego and you got to build your way back up from from there it's funny i always say that like i was the happiest when i got out of prison and i was just so humble and so appreciative and that was when

i was really the happiest you know you were forced to rebuild yeah listen i was forced to rebuild i i this whole show started for me as uh i was already in my own i was depressed and i went and i got myself help. I went to therapy. You know, it was coming off my mentor hurting, hurting himself. But, but I had, but I had, I was in a dark place and, and this show was born out of a idea one day that I was like, if I had my whole dream of a fantasy of a life, like what would it be? It would be this reality show. And it came from journaling, you know? But it was, the thing I learned really fast was and I knew and I knew I was depressed about it because I said when I got into asking for help and going to therapy and it was like build me with no ego that's I remember going to my one of my first sessions my therapist I said rebuild me with no ego I'm torn down now we need to go from the ground up and I want to not care about stuff what car I drive how much you have what kind of house you look none of it matters right it matters your relationship relationships with people matter.

Oh, listen, there's so much, right? Anyway, yeah, you want to go two hours? Yeah, listen, I have no... Listen, honestly, I was telling your assistant that, yeah, he was like, you know, I said, well, how long does this take and how long do you feel like you need?

He's like, ah, he could probably do it in 20 minutes. If he talks about this, it might be another 10 minutes. You know, it might be 40, 40 minutes. most 40, 45 minutes, then he said, unless he goes on a tangent, and I go, well, let's get him on some tangents. I said, I'm happy with between an hour to two hours. I said, I'm happy with that. If it goes over, it's even a bonus.

Then I'm good with that. I can go on tangents. Every one of those production meetings was supposed to be 30 minutes and I did two hours because I was loop and pull in the little details. But like, you know, listen, at the end of the day, like it comes down, you know, from human to human, like that's all that this is about. it's about like we all don't my joke my joke always was like growing up like what's even going on right now listen my uh so you know we're working with a production company that for to build this

or to to do this one video or this one documentary and actually working on with three different production companies but so but this one's further ahead it's a little and i and and and then I was talking so I'm always we're always kind of joking back and forth like well what if this happens what if that happens and I said you know what's the worst part of this is and he goes what I said is that someday this will probably happen and there will actually be will actually be in a theater and we'll watch the film for the first time the documentary and it'll be two hours and I said out of all the things that we did and how much we've laughed about it and joked about it and had fun talking about it you'll watch the film and you're going to go it was all right i know so part you know to me

like i told my my wife this it's the fun is the meetings the daydreaming the talking like i have more fun with my buddies in prison walking around laughing about stuff than the finished product none of it matters it's because you know why it's the it's the child in you it's the being It's the kid, it's the like, it's that part of you, that's that innocent part of you that like somehow still exists, even though we've been beaten and battered by like guys who created a 1099 structure, bend me over and stick it as far up as they could, you know, like that it's, you know what I was going to say, it's, it's really, it's popcorn. Because have you ever, popcorn smells way better than it tastes. I love when you smell the popcorn. It's like, this is great. And then you eat the bomb, you're like, if there's a butter on it,

there's more and more salt, now it's too salty now. It's like, it's never as good as it. That's the whole thing. It's the whole journey of getting there. When you get there, you're like, see, and that was the whole, for me, listen, that was, it's funny because that's why I recorded the whole thing as the development meetings, because I wanted to, that's why I know I had Jesus on my side too, because I recorded, who thinks to record all the meetings?

I thought I was recording all the meetings because that was going to be. the gold the making it was going to be the like i guess look i'm excited now about it like that's like what like you want to see like it was it was like when i was a kid the greatest my favorite part of any movie was the outtakes yeah remember they don't even do that anymore yeah i i was telling so the one of the the producer that was he's a producer and the the director i was telling him i say you know it would be great is that when we're doing this whole thing i start filming I want to film Yeah I want to film

Well I don't want to film what they're doing And I want to film the people they're interviewing Or I'm sorry That you know on other than the interview You know like who who are you And I said then you end up with a 30 minute Or an hour documentary about the making Of the thing I know that was my

That was what started me off as a filmmaker So You know and to me I was like I'd be it would be jumbled and you know But I mean I can mic somebody up I can set up a camera. I mean, this is the web camera, but, you know, it's not that hard. Nowadays with the equipment, it's phenomenal.

It's amazing. iPhone's incredible. I filmed this thing, the press release for the news that we're going to run on my phone with the three lights I got set up here now and a body mic. And like, you'd think that I shot it on an R.E. Do you want us to run that? The news promo? Yeah.

Potentially. I mean, I think they were using it to shop. But yeah, we can. What's up to you? uploading it is uploading. it's a bitch. Why? We have bad Wi-Fi. Yep.

Yo. What up? I'm Jack Pugie. Flip Productions. I did a thing this morning. I filed a lawsuit against HBO because I believe they stole the concepts for a show I created called Insta Famous and turned it into two shows on their network,

fake Famous and F-Boy Island. Maybe you saw these shows, maybe you didn't, but you've probably watched hundreds of shows just like it, ones that were stolen from the person who created it, and not just HBO, but on any of the major networks. There was even a movie based on the concept of stealing concepts. Big Fat Liar, about a teenage boy whose creative writing assignment was stolen by a Hollywood producer.

I learned for myself, though, how the whole system worked in 2021 when I brought my concepts to a friend in the industry who introduced me to another guy who passed me off to a production company that supposedly specialized in turning concepts into reality shows. What I didn't know was, they all worked for HBO. And not directly, but through an intricate and clever system built by HBO's lawyers that relies on a national. network of independent contractors who are trained to find the best concepts and pass them along to the network.

Then as the independent studio works with the creator, the information continues to get funneled back through the chain up to the network and added to the show already in production. Then, in my case, before the creator even got to pitch the show, I was mocked with it and learned that there was already a similar show lined up and I was encouraged to go back to the drawing board. Someone had a parallel idea was the legal and deceptive, unprovable term used to describe the ongoing supposed coincidence, that more than one person can have the same idea at roughly the same time. And so the network can't be accused of theft. Well, I have proof that it's not just a coincidence. I have more than 20 hours of audio, video, video, recorded evidence. that's admissible in court, that proves without and beyond reasonable doubt that fake famous and F. Boy Island were stolen from me. Because my concept was meant to be a documentary

about how someone becomes famous, I began recording all of my development meetings with GFY and Grand Street Media, as well as my attorneys, who simultaneously represented HBO, by the way. Yeah, I don't know. I represent HBO. What they revealed in these calls is nothing short of living proof that the system is designed for theft. Dave Chappelle called it a game of three-card Monty that the industry plays time and time again, and they do it to steal and collect show concepts. I had even suggested some cast members for the show I was pitching. And one of them, Garrett Moroski, was cast to be the star of F-Boy Island.

What's up? What's up, brother? I just won your TV show. Garrett later admitted to me that a producer at GFY was the person who cast him to be on the show, which he ended up winning. I realize this is a classic Jack v. the Giant story, but I'm up to a challenge. While this is far from the first time someone has come forward claiming theft of an original work by the networks, it is the first time someone's presented the argument that the independent 1099 contractors

have been used as a clever way for studios to keep themselves insulated from anyone successfully suing them for theft of intellectual property. Others before me have tried to take on these entertainment behemoths, but they're always shut down in the, oh yeah, prove it, phase of the fight. And without the solid evidence that a concept's been stolen, all those creators, producers, writers, directors before me were rowing upstream without a paddle. And with my evidence, I'm not only fighting for me, but I'm fighting on behalf of the truth.

I have an outboard engine, and I'm not going to stop until the truth's revealed, and the big, fat liars are taken to task. The bullies of this industry have had their day, and today belongs to the little guys. The creators, whose ideas, until now, have routinely been snatched away with little reality. course more than hush money if they got lucky but this little producer's soul is not for sale i have the worst Wi-Fi on earth and it rained yesterday here so like you guys had the monsoon all weekend we had um where are you new york yeah where i mean i well no there was there was a there was a there was a storm i forget i brought my my my wife she checks all She takes the weather every day.

Like, she's got some weather issue. I'm like, I barely ever leave the house. Like, I go to the gym in the morning. I come back and then she comes home later that day and tells me if it was hot or cold or if it rained. You say so. Yeah, we had the craziest rain all weekend. So, like, because it rained, like, the Wi-Fi is even, like, slower. It'll take, like, three days to dry out.

Well, this won't be up for, you know, Colby won't do this for, it'll be over a week before this comes out. So if you do want to, you know, like, you do. Yeah, it might have already come out sort of thing by that point. Yeah, well, that's fine. We can still run it. Listen, all the publicity I can get that's kind of my objective here is like I, you know, like my key points are like this, the business is built to steal. I mean, granted, we just did it all.

So how, so how many other platforms are you going on? I don't know what the plan is right now. I just those guys are running those guys are running it they're guys that you spoke with jesse and brian i don't know who i don't know who's if you spoke with jesse or brian but i don't know i didn't speak to anybody i i my my uh my booking agent told me gotcha um but but if you guys need some more people yeah i want to go on everybody i possibly can i would love to go on danny i i've been i've been i've I don't even get returned phone calls from Danny. Yeah.

I've been following Danny since he did Ben Mala's show. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. I was like, and like I hate to smack talk Ben's show. But like when Danny did Ben's show, it was amazing. Yeah. And then they all disappeared. So I can't even like when I tell people about it.

I'm like, I can't show you the old concrete ones. Well, Ben got them from Danny and he's upload. I think he uploaded them on his. Oh, he does? Yeah. I'm pretty sure. he's uploaded all of them or puts them out periodically or something. It's like two or three hundred of them. Yeah, I know. I mean, like Danny's is an amazing editor.

Yeah, he's he's got a, the funny thing about him is he has a sarcastic side to him. And it comes across. You can see it in the editing. Yeah, yeah. It's his, it's his, because like, with the way he would deliver Ben, oh my gosh. I mean, Ben is like one of the funniest characters ever to exist to me. Yeah, Ben, the problem is Danny sees Ben how he is and the guys that are running it for him now are guys that

edit Ben the way Ben sees how he is. And that's not, like, right, you wouldn't want to me to edit my, no, I was going to say, you wouldn't want me to edit me because I'd only be the cool guy. Yeah, I know.

Somebody else edits it and lets, let's people know, he's kind of a doucheback. Yeah. I know. You have to show it. It's like, you just have to show, it's like, it's like any good director. They show both faces, like, from, you know, like they give you this side and that side sort of thing. When they're, when they're telling a story. And we wouldn't do it of ourselves because we all want to be like, look, this is mine.

If we need that grandiose narcissism that we all have somewhere, like, you just don't see yourself how you are. You just don't. Like, and I always say, like, you know, look, the problem is is that if, you know, if 20, people say you're an asshole then you're probably an asshole like you don't believe it yeah you can't see it no but but they're not lying bro 20 people didn't get together call you an asshole because you're really just this wonderful human being you're probably got some asshole in you yeah no you're coming across that way i know listen that was what went to that was therapy for me enough people told me well i have people that um will see me on the street and recognize me right so they'll come up

They're like, oh, my God, bro, you're the guy for, or hey, you're Matt Cox or whatever. And they'll shake my hand. And they get, oh, my God, can I get a picture? Can I, can I do it? And, you know, I always think to myself, like, you saw me on, like, you don't realize. They don't know that I'm an asshole. Like, you guys think, like, you don't realize that I, like, I know you know I got out of prison. But you know, and they think like, oh, you're doing great.

You're amazing. Like, you don't realize I barely make my bills every month. You know, you don't realize. I drive a piece of garbage car. You don't realize, you know what I'm saying? Like, you don't see those little things. And sometimes my wife will be there. And I'll be like, hey, I go, these guys love me.

And she's like, they don't know you. I'm like, all right. You know, the best way to handle it is, you got to go watch Mr. Rogers. What? No, what is, why? He delivered everything the way we should treat each other. Oh, yeah.

It's just, I, I always, whenever somebody does something, like, I'm always, I always like drop, almost drop what I'm doing. Hey, bro, yeah, absolutely. I shake their hand. Like, hey, listen, like, I don't. Oh, yeah, because I keep thinking to myself. So you know who Jude Law is, right? I mean, Jude Law, he's an actor. He's been in a bunch of, a bunch of stuff.

And I have a buddy that was playing cards with him. Vegas next to him. And I remember my buddy said that these girls came up to him when he was playing cards and we're like, can we get a picture with you real quick? And he goes, I'm fucking playing cards right now. Do you see that? And he gets all upset and snide and yells at him. I forget what he called him.

You know, some, he's British or he called him some British, you know, wankers or whatever. So, and then he's like, God. and my buddy goes bro they just wanted to and he looks at me as fucking winkers and he looked at my buddy my buddy's playing cards

and he goes bro they just wanted a selfie with you yeah and he goes he's fucked them it's all the fucking time and the thing is about them you wouldn't exist absolutely

and you're sitting here playing cards for $10,000 a hand in Vegas your whole life is because of those people I know you give them

you give them a photo bro what are you doing All of them. Give them the photo and tell them, hey, I want to, like, this is, like, if I ever hit that kind of level, the only, the thing I want to do, I literally am pulling it from Mr. Rogers' book is, is, or documentary, rather, is, can I take one, too? right oh yeah yeah that's good or and post it post it yeah then they tell all their buddies exactly but you know what because that's what it's about it's about being kind to each other because because you know when you go outside the four walls that you're in right now you don't know what's out there we never know and there's guys there's people out there who want to screw us i i grew up in this fantasy land that like you know everything was roses and and you know holy crap my family

friends J. Lowe's music producer and he wants me to come over and hang out. Next thing I know, his friends are putting my stuff on HBO. You know, like, I don't know how else to put it, but like I didn't think they were out to get me. I thought this guy, I looked up to him. Right. You know, these were like, I thought that I just thought everything was like good, you know, and the world woke up and hit me in the face pretty hard. But, and listen, and I, and I always I always found the criminal mentality that would be interesting because, like, we all have it. You know, unless you're like completely a robot to the system. Right.

Like, you're always thinking like, well, if something, if you're in this coffee shop and somebody came in here right now and hit this place, like, how am I getting out of here? Like, that's, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Or if you, you know, if you're in a business, most of the guy, if you're, especially your financial businesses, my, my mind's always working. I'm like, wow, like this is all they're doing. to verify this like but this could be fake like i'm about to wire this money like that could be a fake account this is it like i don't know that guy like there's yeah there's there's there's all kinds of like you from inside the system you start to see and that that was my whole it's hard not to see them

because you know what then you start to think about the process like you know unless you're unless you just aren't capable of comprehending we've all had the thoughts but like capitalism incentivizes that and unfortunately it incentivizes it to the point where everything's making a deal at the end right so like when it came down to it you had to turn over the money but like i was listening i was listening to your show with the with the guy who had all the pot and he was talking about how he how he had the gold bars and i was like dude you should have been like i don't have any money man i don't know what you guys are talking about what did i tell you what ended up happening when we were when we were it's funny because he said on camera he was like

he was like yeah they wanted me to cooperate i wouldn't do it i said i'd rather die i'd rather die than do that i was like yeah yeah but like you know what it's it's all about making a deal it's like well what's in if you know unfortunate like listen that even the my my thinking my thinking goes back somewhat biblical too like thou shall not murder right right so if if thou shall not murder and And there's two people in the street in the hood in the projects. And one person shoots another dead. That's a, that's a tragedy, right? But now if one of them becomes a police officer, that's, that's like, you know, it somehow becomes legal.

And then if one of them happened to be a police officer against the undercover police officer, all of a sudden it's a tragedy again. And then, like, you know, you could keep working. Yeah. But like. And you're also talking about murder. Like, at the end of the day, it's, yeah. Murder is different. someone's killing someone right and that's and that no matter what it's wrong i don't know sometimes

people need kill him but i hear you um it becomes that me versus you now yeah you know and sometimes there's justifiable homicide um but i don't know um i think uh yeah uh i forget how we i don't even know how we got on to this i'm i'm good at doing that um yeah yeah yeah it's no good yeah we'll cut that part i listen and no i know i know in colby he won't cut that part yeah no i know i never watched these videos like i almost never watch my videos because i'm like i just i just i just laugh at four island and i know they took it until i get credited was it i watched i watched war dogs one time oh yeah like one time just everybody says that i love that but you know what else is just as good and on parody is uh charlie wilson's

war oh that's a that's that's an amazing movie yeah yeah i love that i love those i put those movies in the same regard though like they're like oh horrible they are though when you really think about it right because they're just cutting a deal it's all cutting a deal yeah but um charlie the the charlie wilson's war is like you know it's it's based on at least it's factual all right fine we can throw one more in the mix uh and now i'm gonna forget the name of the year's the lord of war yeah i love that one that's a great one that is a great one and the other one the other one is uh wag the dog i was nobody knows what that movie is i was telling my my wife about that movie the other day and she's like what i was like yeah they invent like a whole country they invent a

scenario just to boost you know boost the ratings and it and it works and i'm like and when the movie came out it was like so over the top but the truth is it's not that over the top and like that's my premise here that's what i'm trying to do whether i whether i whether i all i want to do is show that to the people like look be careful of what media you consume be careful of what media you consume be careful of what media you consume because it's so easy to fake it. Go watch Fake Famous. They make it look like it was done over the course of a year. But I'm telling you, they film that shit in three days.

Oh, listen, I did, there's a program that did, there's a program called, it's called Inside the Mind of a Con artist. And they did a one hour episode on me. When you watch it, they think I went to Iceland. They make it look like I flew it into Iceland. They pick me up at the airport. They drive me through Iceland to this scientific institute. They call it the institute.

We're located in Iceland, and it's very remote. And, you know, I'm in this institute. They're doing all these tests to me and everything. I never went to Iceland. And they pitch it like a documentary. Like, I didn't go to Iceland. I went to Amsterdam

and they shot it in a in a museum that was closed down and on the back set and that was it and they keep saying welcome to the institute and I'm thinking

dude what institute? We're in a studio but that's the thing and that's what I'm trying to say like it's so dangerous you know like the media has the media's power and control control over all of us is is frightening right we don't even know they're they're lying to us for all we

know oh yeah I'm sure I knew what I always love is when there it comes out that they are lying and they they they they won't admit it or or they put it on page seven there's a little thing on page seven where they admit that they like well when you told the lie it was on the front page yeah but now that you realize yeah you know what turns out that it that wasn't true okay when put the redaction on page seven in the upper corner in a four four pair you know in a in a small three sentence paragraph and then it's really really bad like the fox dominion thing they have a scapegoat and they cut a guy like Tucker Carlson and they're like look we did good that's like

that's what they do in a really horrible case and now that guy's out of a job and has to figure how to provide for his family again you know it's like oh listen he's got a huge base he's probably going to make more money now than he ever made and but but you know you put a guy out of work it's like it's no different than killing him no it's embarrassing it's embarrassing i mean you know it's to be cut in any manner is it's humiliating it's like and not just that like you knew you knew like you didn't i didn't have carte blanche to put whatever i wanted on the news you knew the management knew and now they have to backpedal it's like the uh the bud light thing we didn't know that she was going to launch a national campaign. Come on, bro. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm trying to say here. It's like, can everybody just like, just listen. All I want to do is all the people who care enough about their life. Just don't stop watching. Stop watching so much media. Like pick and choose what you're taking in because it's no different than what you watch and consume. You're consuming. You know, like, just like protect yourself a little bit. Like we all, my generation, I can't stand. I can't go on a date without like, I'm competing with your fucking phone. Like, I'm like, no, I'm never going to meet anybody.

You know, like, how can I date you if I have to compete with like a device? Right. Look, do you see what this one's doing? You know how many of those days I've been on? Oh my gosh. And then you think all of a sudden, if they put the phone away, you're like, wait a minute, this is a good one. And then they're a train wreck. Well, what are you doing now?

I'm suing HBO. No, I, what else are you doing? What else are you working on? That's, I mean, I've really fully focused on this for like the last two years of my life. And like some people would say I've wasted it, but I really think I'm going to do a good thing here. I really want to bring awareness to this and like and I know that it's like a pretty generic thing people might skate over but I want to I want people to understand what you're consuming is is so evil right you know and and unfortunately it comes down to the consumer because the consumer you'd remember you'd remember lime wire yeah so lime My kids my age don't, but I remember LimeWire being a thing. So I was on the cutting edge of technology, so.

You were what, three? I was probably in the fourth grade, yeah. Were you on the phone? What were you doing? No, we had a gateway computer in the basement that we were allowed to use for like an hour after school. Like, you know, however my parents at schools. And like my cousin from California was like, yeah, you've got to check this. thing out it's called lime wire he's in third grade what are you doing weirdo here smoke this

don't tell you don't tell your mom she's like you get everything you want just go on lime wire you're down it so all of a sudden but anyhow that was always the problem with with the with the entertainment business is the consumer is stealing the product they're always willing to take the product because Because everybody wants to be entertained. Mm-hmm. So I get that you, I understand, I'm going to cut you off. You, I get that you're, I get that you're, you're suing these people, or you're suing HBO, but. Oh, so you're trying to launch a production, my production company.

Okay. I have my own works that are like totally up and they're ready to pitch and ready to go sort of thing. I want to make a couple of movies. that's kind of where I'm at on your when you say on your own thing what do you mean like are these just ideas you have scripts you've written most of them are probably like ready for pitch format they're like super rough but ready to be pitched they're not scripts yet but like you know I want to like put the teams together and build my I want to be you know I want to be movie producer my I'm working towards being a movie producer okay I'd like and I'm looking for a studio that

like, you know, like one of these other, I guess it's, I guess I might not have an, I might work work a deal with Warner now, but like, I might not. And if I didn't, like, I'd be looking at like universal or Sony because those are the other two in the oligopoly. Right. I mean, my dream for it all would be that I collected a dollar off of every American and I started a network that was more like a, a, a, a PBS sort of a thing where, where you could actually come and it would be fully self-sufficient. Right. Because look, the stock market works out the stock market works.

If you collected a dollar off every American, it would be 300 million bucks, roughly. And if that's making 8% a year in a traditional, you know, fund, if you spent 4% a year on making new content, you could give people content for free. You know, it's just that people aren't managing the money properly. And like, you know, if people want to be entertained for free, then so be it, give it to them. But then you get to make your money other places, selling merchandise, selling out of, selling, selling, you know, advertising revenue. So if I like really had it my way and this thing went crazy and I gained a ton of traffic, that's what I would love to raise money to do. It's a big dream. That's all I know how to do is think big.

Um, wow. So what are the projects? I'm worried about getting I'm stolen That's too bad Yeah I was going to say Have you already done sizzle reels or

No no nothing is that far down the pipes Everything's just ready for pitch format Because you know The truth of the matter is I learned from these guys at GFY You could sell anything on paper Right You know

As long as it's like good enough on paper You should be able to sell it I'm very I'm not very um I'm very casual okay yeah that me too listen and the guy that called me for you I forget his name Jesse yeah like like listen he I thought I thought someone from the White House was calling me I mean he was like he was so professional I mean he rattled it off so quickly you know I was driving my car and I was like and all I could think to say was wow that was extremely professional. Like, I don't know who you are.

I don't know why you're calling. But I definitely feel like I need to take the call. I feel like I need to pull over and kind of like straighten up my shirt just to be on the phone call with the guy. And I said, that was extremely professional. Well, I tried to do my best. I was just like, that was even a great, a better response. Like he just, and I was like, who is this?

Like, what's going on again? Like I was, so then he told me, I was like, oh, yeah, that's right. Okay. Guys, yeah, I'm on the way to the studio right. now so um let me introduce you and it it's it's it's pewgy yeah it's a tough one e u g pewgy pugy okay um all right jack pugy hold on a second let me do okay let me let me let me do my intro this is silly you'll see um hey if you guys like the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this share the video um share the channel

leave me a comment, and I wrote a bunch of true crime books when I was locked up, and so check out the trailers. Using forgeries and bogus identities, Matthew B. Cox, one of the most ingenious con men in history, built America's biggest banks out of millions. Despite numerous encounters with bank security, state, and federal authorities, Cox narrowly, and, quite luckily, avoided capture for years. Eventually, he topped the U.S. Secret Service's Most Wanted list and led the U.S. Marshals, FBI, and Secret Service, on a three-year chase

while jet-setting around the world with his attractive female accomplices. Cox has been declared one of the most prolific mortgage fraud con artists of all time by CNBC's American Greene. Bloomberg Business Week called him the mortgage industry's worst nightmare, while Dateline NBC described Cox as a gifted forger and silver-tonged liar. Playboy magazine proclaimed his scam was real estate fraud, and he was the best. Shark in the housing pool is Cox's exhilarating first-person account of his stranger-than-fiction story. Available now on Amazon and Audible.

Bent is the story of John J. Boziak's phenomenal life of crime. Inked from head to toe, with an addiction to strippers and fast Cadillacs, Bozziak was not your typical computer geek. He was, however, one of the most cunning scammers, counterfeiters, identity thieves, and escape artists alive. And a major thorn in the side of the U.S. Secret Service as they fought a war on cybercrime. With a savant-like ability to circumvent banking security

and stay one step ahead of law enforcement, Boziak made millions of dollars in the international cyber underworld, with the help of the Chinese and the Russians. Then, leaving nothing but a John Doe warrant and a cleaned-out bank account in his wake, he vanished. Boziak's stranger-than-fiction tale of ingenious scams and impossible escapes, of brazen run-ins with the law and secret desires to straighten out and settle down, makes his story a true crime con game that will keep you guessing.

Bent, How a Homeless Team became one of the cybercrime industry's most prolific counterfeiters. Available now on Amazon and Audible. Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amadeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world. From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney World, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Services funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses,

amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory. He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over one million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off. It's insanity. The bizarre, true story, of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination.

Available now on Amazon and Audubor. Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old, Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FPB,

FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture. Dirty agents, willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Racini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, or murdered. Everyone pointed to Racini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Resini at Leavenworth Penitentiary, and another story emerged. A tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Racini knew something that no one else knew.

The truth. And Robert Miller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day. Devil Exposed. A twisted tale of drug trafficking, corruption, and murder in the City of Angels. Available on Amazon and Audible. Bailout is a psychological true crime thriller that pits a narcissistic con man against an egotistical, pathological liar. Marcus Shrinker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis,

is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard. Shrinker sits down with true crime writer, Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud. Shrinker lays out the details. The disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses, the affair that ruined his marriage, and the treachery of his scorned wife, the woman who framed him for securities fraud, leaving him no choice but to make a bogus distress call and plunge from his multi-million dollar private aircraft in the dead of night. The $11.1 million in life insurance. The missing $1.5 million in gold.

The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is, Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his stories of fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and yes, Khan's Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels. This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. Bailout. The Life and Lies of Marcus Shrinker. Available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Oz.

Matthew B. Cox is a con man, incarcerated in the Federal Bureau of Prisons, for a variety of bank fraud-related scams. Despite not having a drug problem, Cox inexplicably ends up in the prison's residential drug abuse program, known as ARDAP. A drug program in name only. Ardap is an invasive behavior modification therapy, specifically designed to correct the cognitive thinking errors associated with criminal behavior. The program is a non-fiction dark comedy, which chronicles Cox's side-splitting journey. This first-person account is a fascinating glimpse at the survival-like atmosphere inside of the government-sponsored rehabilitation unit. While navigating the treachery of his backstabbing peers, Cox simultaneously manipulates prison policies and the bumbling staff

every step of the way. The program. How a conman, survive. to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Cult of Ardap. Available now on Amazon and Audible. If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.