Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Home Invasion Disaster | Real-Life Crime Story Gone Hilariously Wrong

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

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The car opens up. It's an SUV after a room. And I give him the sample, the back door, the truck opens up, and the gun just flies out like a long . Probably like a 223 or some shit, a rifle. Oh, get him the truck. I'm like, what the fuck? They're gonna torture me until I take them what some drugs are. Getting in the car with these guys, they got ladders to your nuts, and they just knife in your nose and type of shit, you know what I'm saying?

He's making at least 50 grand a day for three, four days a week for months. I mean, you can do it yourself, or it's pretty, pretty cheap. It's like, it's a couple hundred bucks. Like, you could forge it all and have it put the guy's name on it. If it ever, he ever gets a phone call, he's going to say, what are you talking about? At the peak of our business, we were profiting 10 grand a month. Me and her, like, it was crazy. Like, we had maybe like 15 contracts. We had employees. And when everything fell down, I left with nothing. And I went through a real depression stage. And I just went back to what I knew best immediately. I'm going to go sell some drugs.

Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be doing an interview with Capo. He is a former drug dealer and gun runner, and he's got a couple of quick stories for us. So check out the interview. Thank you for having me, Matt, again. The first time I enjoyed it, you know, your audience seemed like they enjoyed it. So, yeah, I wanted to come back and share this story with you, man. And so this is... Because last time we kind of focused more on just the guns thing.

Yeah, we did. We just focused more on the guns. And I went to the feds for that. So this is like after the guns and I get out of the federal prison. And I'm in Pennsylvania now. And when I moved to Pennsylvania out of federal prison, I'm really trying to do the right thing. I'm trying my best to do the right thing. So I mean you don't sound like it.

I already know you already told me of the story. So I already know you couldn't have been doing the right thing. Trying my best to do the right thing. So me and my girlfriend at the time, we end up getting a cleaning business together. And that's going well. And everything is just going fine and dandy. And then the relationship gets kind of toxic.

And what happens is we end up going out separate ways and we lose the business. And now it's like reality is me again like. So I have a question. Why was it going toxic? Um, I just feel like that both of us weren't in the same space in life, like we weren't two different things. I had just got out of prison and I had just did five years and I wanted to just travel and see the world and I want to do all this stuff that she didn't want to do with all of that stuff. She had been doing those things while I was in prison.

She really wanted to just chill and settle and focus on this business. And I wanted to focus on the business, too, but I had a whole lot of other things I was trying to do as well. And it caused me not to have a lot of time to be at home and stuff like that. And, you know, I'm not going to lie and say that. I cheated a couple times. I just did five years. I have no cheeks. I have no cheeks in five years.

So I came home, I want to test the water, test the water is out. You know what I'm saying? So just out of that stuff. and it just became too much. So we separated. And that put me in a state of depression because at the peak of our business, we were profiting 10 grand a month apiece.

Me and her, like it was crazy. Like we had maybe like 15 contracts. We had employees and shit was going good. So when everything fell down and the whole business was my idea, but I put it in her name. because I was still on federal probation. And we had banks law firms

and go clean at night when they closed down and stuff like that. So I had to get it to her name to get a certain contract. So when we broke up, of course it's, fuck you, this is my shit, cussie. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm keeping everything. So, like, I left with nothing.

And I went through a real depression stage. And I just went back. to what I knew best immediately. Like, I'm gonna go sell some drugs, sell some guns and shit, like whatever. So boom, I'm back in that life now. I'm in a whole new state. I've moved to Pennsylvania to change my life,

but now I'm back in that life. And all the people that I've met recently, I forgot what their drug of choice is and I make myself an asset to these people. You see what I'm saying? At this point, I'm really not like a big, big drug dealer, but I am a big, big middleman type shit. Like, if you want four ounces of cocaine,

I can get it for you. right now and i make me a little three four hundred dollar profit and i do that a couple times a day you know i'm saying if you want three four eight bars i got you i'm not keeping anything in my house but i'm in the middle man my connecta let me come grab it drop it out bring the money back that type of shit so i got this dude i met around this time his name is noah and um i'm saying this fucking name because he's a rat but um his name is noah but long story short i'm dealing with noah and um he's probably buying a half an ounce of cocaine per day but in eight balls you know what I'm saying like four or five eight balls a day he come through let me get two eight balls let me get another two eight balls let me get one night but he also middle man and shit too to his friend you know what I'm saying so um he would come up but they would give in the money he would come to me and I'm just dealing with him so um let's say this relationship goes on three months me and Noah become real real cool and um we start making more and more money and Noah could go

of a temple and down Philly and to the college campus and do his thing, he was a white kid, he was young, he knew all the college kids, it was like a perfect for me because I was an older black guy and I want to chill. Now I got Noah, I don't gotta go outside, Noah can handle everything, so I'm chilling. So one day Noah calls me, he said, hey man, one of my friends wanna buy four and a half ounces of coat.

So he never ordered anything this big before ever. So immediately, my flags go up. I've been saving drugs my whole life. Anytime somebody come and they ought to change that big, and it's like my flag go up. You know what I'm saying? What are you thinking? You're thinking he got busted.

The cops are trying to get me to come with a bunch of drugs to grab me. Is that it? Or what do you think? What's your thought? I think that he's been running his mouth to people while he's not around me, bragging about what he's seen. and what he can get and I think somebody is trying to really probably rob him he's a little cool nerdy-looking white kid man you know what I'm saying like somebody will try you bro

you know what I'm saying like especially for where I'm from somebody will try you like I'll try you I would try you if you came to me like out of this coke I would probably try you real just because how you look you know what I'm saying so it was like that I'm like but he does make a lot of money so I'm like but you know these people know he's like man this is not nobody knew I know I'm know him. I'm like, well, why they ain't been coming to get it from you before today? You're like, I don't know, but I just ran across them. I seen the rest of the day. Trust me, these are my people. I know them. I'm like, all right. Well, tell them, I say it is. Tell them, I said they got to show me new money. Before I even go get this stuff,

they got to come and show me the money and like counting that before I even. I'm not going to have nothing on me when they get here. So they ain't got to be able to because I know how robbers think. You feel what I'm saying? I know. This is a, I know how robbers think. I used to be a robber as well. So I'm like, you know, tell them this. And maybe if they are robbers, they'll back off if I say this. Like, you got to show me some money. I'm not having no drugs on me. You got to do all this shit to put, you know what I'm saying? You're making it as difficult as possible for them. Exactly. Like they're like, they just moved to another target. This guy's, he's too, he's wise to us. It's going to be too much of a problem. Exactly. So,

um, I, so I tell him that he tells them that and they don't show up that night. you feel me so i'm like okay whatever so that that thought leaves my brain but like i'm like okay i knew there was some bullshit they didn't show up i told you so type shit so a couple of days go by and um he calls me again hey man the same people call me i said bro i already told you he said no no they said they're going to show you the man they're going to come with the money i said yeah did you tell them that i'm not going to have nothing on me when they come with the money i'm going to count the money then i'm going to go get it because like yeah i told them everything. I'm like, all right, cool. Tell them to come on through then. So at this time,

I live in Concha Hock in Pennsylvania, which is right outside of King of Pressure. My probation officer thinks I live in Phoenixville. Okay. What state is this? This is what? Michigan. Where are you again? Pennsylvania. Okay, sorry. Pennsylvania. So I'm right outside of Philly, but my probation officer thinks I live in another town called Phoenixville because that's where my mom lives at but now that I'm back at this business I'm not going to live there where he could go search my house at any time you feel me I live in another whole spot but I'm not going to tear probation there so they can't search my house at any time he feels saying so I'm living in a different location so I like yo

tell him to come up here and we're going to meet them on the block they're going to show me new money and we'll make the business go down so he was like all right cool so they're on the way um one of my friends is in the house with me at the time and he was like man you trust these people i was like not for real but what they're going to get from me like i ain't bringing no money outside i ain't bringing no drugs outside and i already told them they got to show me the bread he was like man it just don't sound right and he's and he's saying that because i've told them a high-ass price too like now not only am i making it difficult i gave you like the highest price it could possibly be right now.

You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. So my friend, like, bro, I don't trust it. But at this time, I'm hungry. These might be some fools. They might really do have the money and they might go to pay this high-ass price. So fuck it.

Line it up. So he called him and they're on the way. So me and Noah, we walk outside. We walk up to like a little cordisack in the neighborhood. We wait for the people to come. So when they ride down, through the neighborhood they ride past us first and they keep going so he says that's the car right there's them i'm like damn why they kept going like all this shit is to me i like i've done this

before i've been a robber before like i know how to size somebody up i'm gonna ride by and see what's going on and who's over there like how many people is outside like they're trying to size us up for real for real but at this time i don't all the way know that i'm just speaking in hindsight so um they passed us they turn around at the bottom of the car to say coming up the street and they park so as soon as they part some big dude he's probably about five 11 but 220 pounds real husky motherfucker and he jumped out the truck and he's like yo what's up and as soon as he gets get out the truck Noah says to me i don't know him i'm like what the fuck i'm like well he's like yeah that's not who called me so so at this point while i'm trying to process what he's saying

this dude then got like real close up on me like yo what's up bro like he's like almost in kissing reach of my face like yo what's up bro you got the four and a half i'm like yo bro back up just relax like i don't i don't got no four and a half i told you i don't have i didn't bring no drugs in me i don't got i ain't got shit on me and i got to see the money but i did bring a sample for you though i gave like a little tired of like a little half a gram of coke I had like here take that that's what it is that's what it looks like that's like you know what I'm saying try that out whatever but that's what it is so many money I go get it for you so when I give in the sample the back door of the car

opens up it's an SUV after a SUV like burglary when I give him the sample he's he's like this close to me still and I give him the sample the back door or the truck opens up and a gun just flies out like a long-ass private like a 223 or some shit a rifle a k or some shit like you're like give me this oh get him the truck i'm like what the fuck and we're outside bro like in a neighborhood it's like predominantly middle class people there's not no hood hood like this is not a yeah so this is crazy this is like really crazy like this is like some thirsty broke i need any kind of money type shit get in the truck i know for a fact if i get inside this truck they're gonna torture me until i

take them what some drugs are or tell them something you know what i'm saying like i heard these stories before getting the crowd these guys they got ladders to your nuts and they just fucking knife in your nose and type of shit you know what i'm saying like i know i can't get in this truck and like i told you i've been these dudes before i have so i'm like fuck i got be on my be on my feet i say man listen the reason the reason I told you guys to meet me right here is because the dude with the drugs live right up the street. If you were to show me new money, I was going to walk up the street, go get the drug, and bring it back to you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't got shit on me, bro. But if I get

in this car with you and go to the dude house with the drug, he's not going to even answer the door because I'm supposed to be walking. He didn't want to meet nobody. He don't want to see nobody. They're like, what? I'm like, yeah, bro. Like, I don't got shit. I'm a middleman. Like, the drug is up the street. If y'all want to go get the drug, we can go get the drug. But you don't got to kill me and grop me in no truck. Like, I just go get the drugs. Like, you better not be fucking playing with me. I'm like, no, bro. I'm telling the truth. Like, I'm not playing.

The whole time, man, I'm making this shit up. Like, nobody goes around here with no drugs. But I can't get in this fucking truck. Right. I know it. I know it. It's going to be ugly if I get in this truck. So I'm like, all right, bro, tell you, man, just ride around the block. We're going to walk to

the new house. I'm not going to knock on the door. Then we're just going to rob him. Like, it's like, all right, cool. So he's telling the driver. Hey, yo, it's been the block. The dude with the gun, man, he really fucking gets the fuck out the car. Keep the gun to my head and walk me up the sidewalk. Mind you, it's probably just now getting dark like dust.

You feel me? Like, the sun just dropped, but it's still not all the way, all the way black. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, but this is a neighborhood that no one would even pay attention to this type of shit because nothing happens in the neighborhood. Like, nothing happens here. No murders, no burglary, no.

none of that shit the whole township in pennsylvania is probably populated 12,000 people and it's like you know it's not one of those areas you want to fuck around here for real you you're going to you know so uh the dude gets out the car he got the gun in my head the other dude is to the right of me the gunmen is took behind me and noah the motherfucker that got me to all this shit is beside me so we're walking and the dude with the gun says bro don't look back at me. If you look back at me, I'm going to shoot you. Don't try to run. I'm going to shoot you. Don't play no games. I'm going to shoot you. I'm going to kill you right on the sidewalk. And then I'll go back to fill it.

I'm like, bro, I ain't playing no games. Like, I ain't trying to look at you now. It's just going to go get the drugs. So now, while I'm walking, I'm thinking like, what the fuck am I about to do to get out this situation? You feel me? Like, I don't know what the fuck I'm going. I just made a whole fucking lie up. And this dude really ain't bullshit. So I'm like, fuck. So I'm like, all right, I think this is he lives right here. Like, I'm some crazy, nervous shit.

So I walked into somebody's yard. And I told you, I lived in this neighborhood at this time. But my probation officer, I also don't know I live in this neighborhood. So I kind of know the area. So I walk in somebody's yard that I could go through the backyard and hop the gate and get into my house if I could get away. But the dude is like so close up on me, bro. And every move I make, he's like not going for none of that shit. So I'm like, hold on, let's go back here.

He's like, is this the house? I'm like, no, no, this is the wrong house, wrong house. You're like, man, listen. I stop fucking playing with me. I think you fucking playing with me, right? You keep fucking playing with me. I'm going to shoot you, bro. Like, stop playing.

I'm like, no, all right, bro. Just relax, just chill. So shit, we keep walking. I told him that it's a light skin guy by the name of Jay that has these drugs. I made this shit up too. I'm saying whatever I can say to make this motherfucker, you know. So we keep walking. I say fuck it. I'm just going to knock on a random door and I hope it's an old white lady to come to the door and I'm just going to be like yo say me like help like I don't know I'm trying to try to do something but I've been walking too long now they get mad and this shit like you feel me so I got to try I got to try my move I knock on somebody's door

bro bro on every kid I got I can't make this shit up I'm not going to a random door a light skin dude black really opens the door like what's up and I told these guys

it's a black dude light skin with drugs of cocaine in this house like you feel me this is a house I just free pick knock on the door boom light skin dude

answer the door I'm like oh my God so you say hey Jay what's up man no they didn't get me time and they saw him with the last thing dude they put their pistol right in his fucking face get the fart back in the house he's like what the fuck they're like they kick me in the house too get in the house so now they're inside the house and dude he's like i feel bad for this guy

she don't know shit about shit this you feel me they're like what the fucking journalist there what what the cocaine motherfucker weird he's like what the fuck you like what and like they they like stop fucking so like this shit's going down like right now I sit on the sofa in the living room why this guy is on the floor with a gun of his head. Jay, just give him the drugs. How, Jay

is telling them, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Y'all, y'all are crazy? You don't know. Are you what? I mean, you're not like Jay, give him the drugs. Like, I don't know why Jay's being like this, you guys. No, I'm on the sofa like...

I'm on the sofa waiting for my move to get the fuck out of here. I'm waiting on my move, so I won't get killed and get away free i want to go a fuck about jay i don't give a fuck about this house i'm at this point i don't go fuck about nobody but my life at this point selfish as it sounds as is how i'm feeling at this point no is so is anybody else in the house noah came in who were with me the two robbers and now j is on the ground at gunpoint this guy was doing the dude with the gun tells me so okay he's so now why jays at gunpoint i look

at the dude. I'm like, bro, the drugs is upstairs, like, bro. So when I do that, he take the gun off of Jake and hit me in the face with that shit. Boom. He's like, I told you don't fucking look at me. And now my shit's leaking. Like, I feel like the, but I sweat feel, it feels like sweat. I know it's blood, though. I'm like, all right, bro, I don't look at you no more. After he does that, somebody that's upstairs in the house comes down. And when they come down, they say, oh, shit. And they run back up the steps. This shit's crazy.

Not to do with the gun, takes the gun off of Jay, and he goes up the steps behind that guy. And now in hindsight, that let me know that he's a professional robber. Because he's like, okay, this guy can't go get to a gun or to the phone or to another me, I got to go get this guy. You see what I'm saying? I'm like, so when the guy came downstairs, he's like, what the fuck he ran upstairs behind this dude now the other dude who was with him the big guy

he don't got a gun he's just a muscle i guess you know what i'm saying but he don't got a gun so now when he goes upstairs behind that guy i look at the big dude he's by the door like looking at me like the fuck you's looking at me for him like i get up like what you're trying to do i run right into him i'm talking about like bobby bouche like ah like Water boys, like no bullshit. I run right into him. It really don't work, though. When I run into him, we're struggling.

He's punching the shit out. I got everything. Whenever I fight people, they grab my hair. Just the normal thing to do to somebody with hair. So when I run into him, we're struggling. He grabbed my hair. He's punching the shit out of me. Boom.

Boom. I'm telling myself, while he's hitting me, I'm really talking to myself. Like, bro, if you fall right now, the dude with the gun, downstairs see you with this dude being your ass he's gonna shoot you and kill you and you already set him on a whole dummy mission they're gonna kill you so while he's hitting me I'm like I can't follow him take of this shit you gotta I just take my head and I smash my shit like that

and now he got my dreads in his fucking hand like for real like that's how hard I like get the fuck off of me type shit I push him when I push him he like stumbles to the screen door and it hits the screen door and that shit like it just magically files open like it's just boom he just crashed through the door that shit's open I hurried his ass and I get up out of the

the whole time mind you Noah is still sitting here like he could have been left the house so I don't know if he's in on this shit or what I don't know at this point in my mind he's in on it like this shit's crazy to me you feel me so anyway when the dude filed through the door

I jump over him and I run out of the house in my head he's chasing me in my mind like I'm running running I don't look back for maybe two minutes when I finally look back I don't see him so I'm like fuck I'm tired of shit I think they're gonna kill me they're chasing me and they may be to kill somebody in their house because I know drugs in there they might kill them people you feel what I'm saying so I get up under a car I got on a white hat and a white jacket I take my head I'll take my jacket off throw it in the bushes I get up under a car and I'm just really catching my breath

and trying to come back the grips with everything to go going on like I'm tired as far like what the fuck it's like this shit's crazy so now while I'm under this car catching my breath I see police lights in the sky everywhere like everywhere I'm like oh shit that the cops got alerted you know what I'm saying if I get caught under this car I'm not going to be a victim I'm going to be a suspect I can't get caught period hiding on this car I'm bleeding i just love this you know what i'm saying so i got leave his neighborhood i get from a part of the car i go get in the ditch and i'm and it's like these these like this neighborhood has houses

that has like uh they're like behind trees but not like big stupid as trees it's like might be like a few little shrubs and shit in the front that's to hide the crib so i get up on the car i'm behind the shrubs every time i attempt to come out and like walk away or like leave the neighbor another cop car just rides by they got the light shining like they're patrolling they're looking for the people that just ran I guess you know what I'm saying like I cannot leave his neighborhood like every time my car I go by I'll pop out shit another one pop out shit another one like it's so I'm like what the fuck am I gonna do like how I'm gonna get away without going to jail man I say fuck it I really got to play the victim for real now

myself I walk into the middle of this I was just say could you Wouldn't you have just said, like, bro, I was walking out. I walked out of my house. These guys pulled up and pulled me in the car. I didn't know what to do. Now, my mind's working like that now. But in the beginning, you got to think, this is really a drug deal going bad. I really was trying to sell drugs.

So my mind is just all kind of like, am I still guilty? But you know what I'm saying? Like, I know. But, you know, and I'm on federal probation. I'm scared as fuck. So I'm like, I just don't know what's going to happen. Even if I get caught and play the victim, it's a chance I might can go to jail. Yeah.

Yeah, just because you're probation. Yeah. And the cock to just say, I don't believe you, motherfucker. Like, you had some ado shit, whatever. But it's the only chance I got right now, and I'm glad you said that. So now I say, fuck it, I'm just going to play the victim. I walk out from, I walk from behind the bushes. I go in the middle of the street, the next cop car I see.

I do like this. Hell, and I am bleeding. So the cops, the cops, they see me. They get out of the car, they draw down, freeze. The fuck, I'm like, yo, I've been robbed. I got kidnapped, I'm bleeding. They're like, no, fuck out of that. What are you coming from?

Like, I ask, what are you doing around here? Like, you're setting drugs around here? Like, what happened? Like, now, somebody just kidnapped me and told me you knock on somebody's door. And I did it. And they were like, get the fuck out of here. We don't bleed that shit.

Somebody just fucking kidnap you and said, knock on the door, like, nah, nah. You fucking trying to sell drugs around here or some shit. I'm like, no, like this is what the cops is telling me. He's like, I don't believe what the fuck you're saying. Not in this neighborhood right here. Like, you got something to do with this shit. This is what saved me, I think.

I say, listen, I got kidnapped and they told me to knock on something out of these doors. If you don't believe me, go ask the people who house it was. They saw me at gunpoint, too. I say, go ask them. I ain't got a lot of you, man. Go ask the people who house it was. They saw me at gunpoint as well. I got bro up too.

Yeah, and that guy has no idea why you were there. He doesn't know. He knows you escaped. He knows you were in a fight. You got hit. Your dreads were pulled out. So he's like, that dude was trying to escape too. It went to no shit.

But I don't know what he's going to say. And I'm just hoping. But this is my biggest fear. My biggest fear is those guys got caught. And now everybody's stories are different. And now I'm really going to jail. Because they're going to, you feel me? I don't know what they're going to say.

you know what I'm saying I only I only want me to be the only one that's caught I can tell myself out of this probably you feel me yeah so Jay's gonna help you exactly so they so they take me too I know Jay was probably like he probably still fucked up behind that like but he's just sitting at home eating a TV fucking dinner Barney Miller and you come banging on his door yeah I was probably never even did a drug bro in that neighborhood he lived I was living in that time he probably never even seen a drug and he was a young guy two probably like 18 19 I've saw him around the neighborhood before like because I

lived around there but like he don't know me I don't know him but I bet he was like yo so boom now the police telling me they don't believe my story so I tell them look go ask the guy so they say come with us they put me in handcuffs they say you're not under arrest you're being detained but you're going to the station we're going to take you down after question they come get me bro handcuffed me in this fucking holding tank you know for two fucking hours before they talk to me I'm freezing cold These are the shit that the cops do to get you to just like, fucking, where's my bunk? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, this shit that makes you tell on yourself. You cold as fuck. You're in the holdest tank. They're like, you're feeling to go to jail. They come back and get me, and they say, all right, now tell me what happened. Take me through your whole day and how the fuck did you get to this point? Now, this is the tricky part. I can't tell them I live in this neighborhood because if my PO finds out that I live in the neighborhood,

I'm going to jail for not telling him I got a new address. So I got to really play this shit, really. So they're like, listen, this is how my day was. I was in this part of Pennsylvania all day long, which was true, which I could prove that because I was like hanging around like a pool house and shit earlier that day. I'm like, look, I was over here earlier that day. Me and my girlfriend, we got into it. We were riding around, we arguing.

She lives around here. She let me out of her car. and I started walking and said fuck you we got like we had a big fallout so you and your girl or riding around this neighborhood yeah she lives she lived down the street from here which was true too

so they were like who's your girlfriend I'm like I tell her name give me her number it's just God bro she was sleeping or cheating but she didn't answer the phone at all for me or the cops which is a good thing because she was going to tell them probably a different story because she did not drop me off I live here down here she didn't drop me off

You feel me? So I'm like, man, so she answered the phone for me or the cops, which is a good thing at this point. So boom, they questioned me. I like, look, the girl dragged me off. I started walking. But why don't you start walking through this neighborhood? Because it's a guy where the studio that live down there, I rap. I'm mad, I'm depressed. I'm going to go to make a song. This is true. And the cops will know this guy because he always get calls and loud noise in his neighborhood with the studio. So they're like, you're talking about John? I'm like, yeah, John, yeah, him. I record music there. And I was headed there. These guys pull up. They put me in the car at gunpoint and said, like on this door for me, we're going to... Stop. Do you know how fast you were going? I'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie, The Naked Gun.

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This is what I did. Man, this card asked me the same shit. I swear to God, like five fucking time. I had to tell him the same story five fucking time, you know. And finally, he was like, I just don't believe you. This shit don't happen in this neighborhood. This shit don't happen. I just don't believe you, but I can't.

He said, but don't worry about it. Those other guys, they've been caught. I'm going to go get their story. And when I come back in here, if it don't match your story, your ass is going to jail. I'm like, all right, whatever, man. And I'm in this bitch. I'm really, I'm sick for real that I'm even in this situation. He leave probably 30 minutes. He'd come back with some shit like this. You see this? This is fucking statements from every fucking body who got caught.

They're not fucking saying what you're fucking saying. And this is my last time asking you to save yourself or you going to fucking jail. What the fuck really happened? Because I got all these statements right here that don't say what you say. I'm like, 30% of my brain want to believe this motherfucker at this point. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, shit. I'm like, fuck it. I already didn't lie too much now. I'm like, man, I told you the truth.

Fuck that shit. Like, I already told you. He said, get the fuck out of here. I'm like, what? I call you fucking ride. Get the fuck out of here. I'm like, for real. I could go.

Yeah, you can fucking go. He said, I tried to ping your phone, because I told him that my phone got rubbed too, but what you didn't. I just didn't break my phone with me because I knew I was gonna make a drug deal and then there's like some guys I didn't know and I knew better to leave it with my phone money

and all that shit. So he's like, where are you found there? I'm like, they took my phone. So he's like, I'm gonna pin your phone and maybe we can find what those guys are at. But my phone's really at home. So he calls T-Mobile and said, look, we wanna pin his phone

and they tell him no. T-Mobile, don't let him do it. T-Mobile said if you don't have a warrant, we're not gonna let you do it. I'm like, yes. Because they, you know what I'm saying? 12 years later, Timo was still. A loyal customer.

I swear to God, I love Timo. So they let me go home, bro. But the crazy part is this. While I'm gone and I'm being quested and running and shit, Noah has went back to my family and told him that I got into a fight with the guy. I ran outside. Then the guys ran outside and chased me with a gun. And he ain't seen any sense.

And this was probably at like 11 in the night when I got caught by the cops. It's five in the morning right now that I'm going home from the precinct. So my family. The guys didn't get caught? No. Oh, okay. Yeah, he lied about all that shit. I'm the only one that got caught because I surrender.

You know what I'm saying? He was trying to get me the tail because he knew I was lying, but he couldn't prove it. You know what I'm saying? You're lying, man. like you fucking but I can't prove it I'm not lying you know what I'm saying and and motherfucking Jay's Jay's telling you that the dude really did was that he really was at gunpoint but they think of lying about not knowing those dudes and everything who those dudes are I don't know they're like you do fucking know you do fucking know you got to you were selling them drugs or something

like I don't know though so they they know I'm lying about some certain shit you're what I mean here's the thing even if I even if I'm lying about selling drugs obviously I still wasn't with them we got into a fight Jay saw me get into a fight saw the hair get pulled out saw me run saw them run after me so at the very least he knows well some of your stories correct you weren't with them no not at all and I told him that so boom so he was like all right just leave and this is what he tells me before I leave he says this is conscious hockey in Pennsylvania this shit never happens no invasion it never happens he said I don't do shit every day but twiddle my thumbs

because we have no crime he said I'm gonna catch you if it's the last thing I do I'm gonna catch you because I know you're lying about something he said now good go ahead get out of here like yeah whatever pussy fuck you I leave when I get back home my mom my girlfriend my brother everybody's in the house like when I walk in the door everybody like to me crying and hugging like we thought you were dead like this dude told us that y'all got rode at gunpoint you fought the dude you got chased outside with the gun and they never heard anything more from you know what I'm saying we caught every police station you what you wasn't locked up we thought you was dead you see what I'm saying so I get home I'm bleeding and shit

I curse my girl a lot like where the fuck you were the bitch the whole time he was calling he phone you wasn't at home what were you doing you're cheating but uh man fast forward Noah, I think on my last story, I talked about this. Noah ends up getting caught on some whole other shit. He wrecked his car and get caught with drugs. And he tells the cops, I know about that own invasion shit that happened a couple of weeks ago. It was the dude from Georgia, blah, blah, blah. So it's like, oh, okay, cool.

You cool with him? Yeah. Can you buy some coke from him? Yeah. Remember I told you how to see. I said in the bad interview I skipped that part because it wasn't a part of that exact story but yeah this is how I ended up to see I sell noah the college kid I mentioned that that was him uh he got he get caught by the cops on some whole other shit you tell the cops about this

the home invasion the drug deal gone bad all that shit and he said that um he is willing to set me up for his own freedom so they make him um they do a control by They get the one eight ball from me and I end up going to rehab and they was trying to make more buys from me through him But my phone is not on because I'm in rehab. You know what I'm saying? So when I leave so when I leave rehab I get pulled over I got they said I got a warrant for money that are in all that and shit, but really it wasn't a warrant If you hadn't gone to rehab, you would have gotten done more more buy or bad. Yeah, I would have got three buys and that would have been enough than to raid my house and all that shit was God man I don't know everything that happened

was God for real because like it wasn't me because I was making an hour of wrong decision I was gonna keep seven him like even though that shit just happened I feel like he didn't set me up for the robbery because no one knew where I actually lived at

where I could have really had some drugs in so by them robbing me and not taking me to my real house I like he ain't have to do with that because he was just really you know what I'm saying because he could have got me in a different way you feel me so I'm back dealing with Noah so but at this time he's a fucking CI so um he called me I sell him my eight bombs then I go to rehab I leave rehab I gave I got picked up in the traffic stop and when I get to the precinct from the traffic stop is that they're fucking detective he said I told you I was going to see you again he said I told you I was going to see you again he said your whole little story But I'm almost truly said, but why you ain't tell me about the white guy who was with you the whole time and the cocaine? Y'all was about to sell those guys I was like I don't know about none of that since he's talking about. He's like, yeah, well, we call him as you can see. You know what I'm saying? And I know your whole story is the bullshit. So you're right. So now you got to see that sell for cocaine and you get charged with home invasage. How? Tell me to sell drugs and all this old dumb shit. I'm like, yeah, all right, whatever. Yeah, no, that's good.

fuck no he he or booked me and he presses me without that shit but on my first court appearance which is called preliminary in pennsylvania um they threw all that shit out except the cocaine cell and i ended up getting probation for it but that shit was crazy bro like i really thought i was going to die that day i was like i ain't know where in the fuck i'm gonna get in this truck but like that shit could have went bad and i kind of felt bad for putting innocent people in that shit but like what are you doing that situation though like Right. Did you ever talk to the guy, you know, Jay? Oh, no. I ain't never go back to that neighborhood again.

I went one more time that next day at like three in the morning to get all my shit out of that crib, and I ain't never go back to that house again. That shit was like, that shit's spoofing, for real. Because it was just like, life could be just regular. Then in one second, it could just in that lifestyle. You never know, like selling drills. It's like that's how it could be. Life could be great. Then in one second, somebody trying to rob you, kill you, the cops at the door. Like, they're just a life that I ain't willing to live no more, man. Like, that shit was crazy.

You don't just do, especially from the hood, you don't just do fraud. I just out of nowhere. You got to learn it from somewhere. And the way I learn how to do fraud is a crazy story. So I'm in the jail. I'm in jail. And this dude, he's from down south. I'm in jail up north, though.

So I'm from down south. I'm in jail up north. So this guy comes into the dorm. Like, yo, anybody for down south here? And they're like, yo, there's one dude here from Georgia. He's upstairs. He's upstairs. He got the dreads. So I meet this guy.

And he said me that he's in jail for doing fraud. I'm like, but what do you do? He was like, well, you know, it's kind of complicated. But I take checks and I remake them. And I make them to somebody else's name and I go cash him. I'm like, oh, kind of like with the computer and the check paper. He's like, well, no, not exactly. Because, you know, some people that do fraud with checks,

They just remake the whole check with the computer and the stick paper and the ink printer and all that shit. So he wasn't doing it that way, though. So he ended up becoming real cool with me and he's my celly. So one day, we're in the room and he has a book and he's reading the book. And he says, what if I told you that I could take all the words of this page of this book. And the morning this page would be all white. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, what?

He's like I could take every word out of this page and his whole page to be white in the morning I'm like I bet yeah I bet that so we bet I go to sleep I wake up the next morning the whole page is white like no words I'm like what the fuck I'm like how you do that so he grabbed the razor blade and he turned the page in the book and he got the razor blade and he just started carving like the weight at the words and that shit was just vanishing off the paper. I'm like, yo, that's pretty neat, bro, what the fuck? He's like, yeah, I told you, this shit crazy. So, but I'm still not getting why he's showing me this yet, though. So he, he's like, he was like this to this day.

So I'm like, yo, that shit's crazy. So maybe a week after that, he's like, bro, you know, I used the typewriter before. I'm like, hell, that's it old school, bro. Like I used computers, like, a typewriter. Like, yeah, the old typewriter, like, you know what you just typing. I'm like, fuck, though, I can't use that shit. He was like, come to the Lala Berry with me

and try to use it. I'm like, hell no. You're like, come on, bro, get your lazy ass up. You don't never want to get out of the bed, do nothing. There's a Lala Barry with me. I'm like, cool, fuck it. But to the Lala Berry with him. He starts showing me how to type.

And he's like, look, you see that little dot right there. That's where the letter gonna come out of it. So if you mess B, that little dot is where the B is gonna type it. Just the line at the bottom, this is where you go. He's showing me how the line shit up. So I'm like, yo. So then he tells me like, bro, this is what I do with text.

I'm like, yeah, he's like, I take a check, like a real check that was made to you from your employer. If I get my hands on it, I will take their razor blade. Like I showed you in the room and think of that book, I would take a razor blade and take your name off this check. Then put it in my typewriter and line me up perfectly and put whoever name on there I want to, whoever's going to go catch his mom. I'm like, yo, that's sick. He's like, yeah, that's what I'm in jail for. And he showed me his paperwork and shit. And he was in jail for that shit.

and crazy as me what do I do I go home before him and um I tell my cousin about this bro I think I thought we can make some money out of checks and shit you're like what and I'm like yeah I know how to take a razor blade and my cousin's like all right cool so we talked about it but like we haven't pursued it so one day I'm just chilling my cousin come to my house like yo I got something for you you do a check on the fucking table it's a fucking social security check um fucking statute of liberty on this motherfucking everything like a real social security check for 1800 bucks so i'm like what the fuck he said do what you tell you're gonna do to it mind you i've never tried this shit before or

none this i learned this shit in the cell with this dude get my razor i do this shit clean it i go and fucking offer up find me a tie rider fucking 80 bucks i drive all the jersey to get the motherfucker from pennsylvania i do this shit boom i'm not even going to lie to you this is ugly like the papers i don't put holes in the shit like it's my first time doing this shit this shit's ugly like i didn't scratch so hard that shit's white in the background all type of shit man long story short um i i got my home girl cc and she went in walmart because i was like you know what walmart cash checks and they're not a bank this shit is so ugly that a bank tell it we probably look at this shit like no what I'm saying but Walmart is a

regular person not a bank teller they're not going to just look they're going to put in the machine if the machines they're going to catch it the machine say don't it's you know what you're not you see what you're saying they did Walmart relies on the machine bank rely on they tell her so she's going to Walmart and the first Walmart says this we're not going to scan it because it's kind of like ripped a little bit and it's like we might fuck out a machine up or we might rip the check in half and we don't want to Nah, we're not even gonna scan it. So I'm like, fuck, fuck, go to the next Walmart.

They're out to the next Walmart. They scan it. When they scan it, she takes my phone. She was like, got it. She come outside with the money, and that fucked my life up. You know what I'm saying? That fucked my life up.

When I seen that, I'm like, oh shit, that's, yo, I could print money now for real, like, she's crazy, you know what I'm saying? And yeah, real quick. I went on a real quick spree real, I got caught for this. That's why I don't mind talking about. I went on a real quick spree real quick.

I did that first one, I went to hitting mailboxes. Fuck it. I went to hit mail boxes. Business mail boxes, though. Not personal mail boxes. It's like if you live in Florida or Georgia or Virginia, or somewhere southern, you still see real mailboxes with the red flag and you can lift, you know,

like a real mail box at the end of a driveway type shit. Open north, not so much. You got PO boxes or the mail boxes like through the door. They open your door and throw it inside your house type shit. Downside you would see real mailboxes. So I would just drive to Virginia or Jersey somewhere where the country park. And I would hit business mail boxes on Sunday. And business centers, they have external boxes that are big, the big square ones where there's

bunches of people that businesses that put their mail in it. And yeah, a little center. Take a crowbar, breaking that shit, whatever. So you know what I'm saying? So I'm going out and I'm hitting boxes and I'm getting checks. And now I'm going back and I'm finding people like, like, and I'm really, the scammer part of my brain is activated now. So it's like it's just one spot that's owned by Mexicans and just by me busting checks in there. I'm realizing that every time somebody black going there, they tell him it's a limit for $1,000 check.

Anytime it's the Mexican going there, it let them go crazy. So I started to find me Mexican people. Like, yo, come on. And now, at this point, I'm really fucking them up. Now, because at first I was just finding a check that had a good amount on it and just change the name. But now that I found this certain spot that likes Mexican, I take a check for $1 and make it $5,000. Just clean the whole motherfucking check with the razor. It might take three hours, who cares?

Clean the whole motherfucker check and put it in my tie writer and make the whole check to say another price on it and I'm going crazy and um I made a lot of money like that but this is how I ended up being caught um it wasn't even for scam but I got caught scamming because I was still fucking with drugs I had a hotel room and I was working out of I had tire riders in here I leave out my checks in here I'm going out I'm driving hitting checks and I'm going back to my to my room and I put the shit together and then we'll go out and cash them so at this point it's a lot of traffic in my room so the front desk have alerted the cops like

this guy have a lot of traffic for the same reason I think he's doing something suspicious so they gave the cops the right to go in my room they went in my room and they found like three or four purposes and a little bit of weed but they find 50 pills that is anisotaur what I use to cut cocaine with all right ianotile comes in powder and they come in peel for them the peel for them you can buy your right aid and they're real cheap so i guess at the time i didn't want to go to the vitamin shop and buy the powder of shit or they may have been closed or something so i went the right eight and i buy the peel form just crunch it up put it with the coat and then you got your

escrow 10 grams or so you see what i'm saying so boom so what would happen was when i was sell the coat, motherfuckers would come to my room and see the I gnosis towel bought them and they would tell me like yo you cut this shit with that I'm like oh no that's for my diet whatever you know so I just took the pills and I poured them in a bag that I had shit in before so now did the cops in my room they see this zip lot bag with pills in it they think it's drugs because it's in a zip lot bag and it's pills so they take one and they test it now the bag the pills are in had drugs in and two before this drug was you know what i'm saying it's just residue in this bag i guess so the cops take one of the

pills and they test it and it comes back positive for fentanyl and cocaine so they think that i have 50 fetonile and cocaine pears right here in the table it's with the cops think so they tell they make a little you know they call whoever they call yo these dudes in a blue toy yodel right now he has 50 fettano in his room wherever he is in this town go find that car and pull his ass over and brings that in so at this time they look for my car I'm in a check cashing parking lot with my tight rider in the car plugged into the little ladder thing like the little power started you can put into a car put with a lighter to turn to a socket I got that shit in my car bro the tie rider in the

car mists is in the car I'm cleaning checks send him in there boom he busts he come back out split the money your turn send him in there bus one come make out split the money i don't know the couch in my room doing all the other shit so while i'm doing this they find they see my car run down freeze god in my head i think i'm going to jail for these checks i don't know what's going on they search the car lock me up i'm like oh my fucking god i go back to jail and guess who i'm in jail with again the same dude he's talking how to do this he never even got out get out he ended up doing over a year and um that when i met him i only had to 90 days for a violation so when i went in for 90

days i got back out he still in jail doing fighting his case so now i oh now i go i go home for what for a month i'm right back in jail four months so now i he's in there game with him and everything. He was like, bro, you're one of the craziest people I ever met in my fucking life. I'm like, why you say that? Like, you really went home and tried that shit. I'm like, what you really do? Like, yeah, no, I really did. No, I really did. But it's rare that you would tell somebody some shit like that and they really go home and really like buy typewriter and nigga. You really, I'm like, bro, that's free money. Like, yeah, I did the shit. But long story short, that was funny as hell when I went to court the first time for that

shit. The DA said, your honor, I don't know how to fuck he's doing it. He's taking real checks and he's taking the name off it and changing the name to, but it's the real check though. And the judge is like, what do you mean? Like, huh? He's like, the person said they wrote this check. This is this, this is their real signature. But they didn't put his name on it. Right. He's figured out how to put this name on this. He's not remaking the check. He's using the exact check. And they were

like, yo, it was crazy. I ended up on. I ended up getting that shit beat because it was illegal search procedure. You can't search my car for for acetyl pills. Right. So while I was in jail, my lawyer sent those pills to a lab. They came back non-reactive for any drugs. So when y'all searched my car, it was illegal. Because you all searched my car because there's drugs in my room.

You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. But it's not drugs. The field test came back positive for drugs. because of that bag probably had residue in it but when you test out these pills this is not drug this is a right-aid fucking dietary supplement so it was illegal searching a seizure so i ended up beating that case but yeah that was my experience with a little bit of fraud and this shit was crazy that was that that that shit like i didn't even want to sell drugs no more i learned

that shit right every time three bands one day five grand one day type of shit like one check is a couple grand today. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's great. I told, I remember I met a guy in, in prison we were talking. He was, well, you think I'm in prison for? And I said, drugs. And he goes, man, nobody sells drugs anymore.

I said, what, I said, what are you here for? He said, the tax scam. He was running the tech. They called you the drop. So the drop. The drop that is when you go to some chick who maybe she's on well. affair or whatever she's got maybe she's got a job or she doesn't have a job whatever or you steal someone's information so i you get somebody's name data birth social security number and then you

file taxes for their tax refund before they can do it so let's say you know whatever january march you file taxes for these people you say hey last year made 45 000 dollars and my tax you say, I bought Alexis, I did this, I got five fucking kids, I got this, and you maximize it. And they're supposed to get a tax refund for like $7,500. And then the IRS sends that money, direct deposits that money onto like a, you know, a prepaid visa, whatever. Now they would chime or some shit like that. A lot of this stuff, they don't even, they won't do that anymore. But 15 years ago, it went on for 10, 10, 15 years.

People were going nuts. you they were filing taxes for dead people they were going and getting some chick who has three kids doesn't have a job and they'd say look I'll give you a thousand bucks if you'd just give me your your social security number and your full name and I'm going to file taxes on you you can say you didn't do it and so he'd file taxes and say I made she know she made fifty five thousand dollars she's supposed to get nine thousand dollars back they'd put the nine thousand on the card they'd go pull the money out of the card give her a thousand dollars and walk away with the money and it was it was insane like I know so many guys and I don't mean like they were making good money I mean they were making millions of dollars these are street guys that two years before that were selling drugs and let's face it you sell drugs in the hood you make 50 60 thousand dollars 70 thousand a year you know but you're not making it really right you're not you make about but like there every like 60 thousand a year if you're the elite you probably make $200,000 a year.

And you're risking your life. You're risking going to jail for 20 years. The whole thing, getting shot. And these guys, these guys figured out the tax scam, which honestly, most guys that are involved in fraud or bookkeepers, they've been doing this since like the 80s and 90s. But what happened was it trickled down into, you know, the, I don't know, the projects or whatever you want to call it, into the street, you know, street guys started getting locked up, going to federal prison, hooking up with these guys, you know, hearing about it, learning about it, bringing it back.

And then they would tell everybody. And it would spread just like you said, you, they tell everybody else like, bro, you know, guys come to him and say, man, what are you doing? Like, you're driving a, you're driving a damn, a 50 or $100,000 Mercedes. You just opened two businesses. What are you doing? And they're like, all right, bro, here's what I'm doing. And they tell them, you know, and plus you need people that I started making it harder and harder. So now I need to go to these other guys get get their social security.

Because let's face it, you could be 25 years old and you grew up in the projects and you sell drugs. You don't claim taxes. So they're going and they're getting their social security numbers, their names, they're doing it in their name. They're saying, look, I'll give you a thousand bucks for everybody's name and social security number you can get me. So then they go out and start talking to their buddies, their babies' mamas, their, their grandparents, their buddies, their friends, their brothers, their sisters. Then they start stealing them. Then, of course, they get their girlfriends that have legitimate jobs working, doing whatever. They go into the employee files and start pulling people's, you know, their employment files and getting their names.

Like it spreads quick. And they're making ton of money, tons of it. And it goes unchecked for like a decade at least. And they still would send out refund checks. If you file your taxes and ask for a check, they're seeing a paper checkout. So you still get money from the mailbox. You know what I'm saying? What's so funny is people would say, well, I don't understand.

This guy's never claimed taxes. So how can you, or he's never like he doesn't have a job. How are you filing taxes for him? I'm saying he has a job. I'm telling the IRS. Yeah, but the IRS knows. the IRS doesn't know anything if the paperwork it looks correct and you say he made 75,000 he works at Walmart you have Walmart's tax ID number you have Walmart's information you put all

the all of it in the IRS does not know that he didn't work there and they have to give him his tax refund now two years later they may figure out we did a review Walmart we reviewed Walmart's information. It doesn't match up with yours. We need that money back. And then, of course, you just have to say, well, whoa, what money? I never got any money. Because you didn't. Some, but you gave somebody your your information. He filed. You might have got a thousand bucks in cash, but you're not going to tell him that. You're going to say, I didn't do it. What are you doing? I don't even file taxes. What are you talking about? Like I, I don't even have a job. You know, so they're like, and then they look and they go, yeah, you don't have a job.

job. You're right. God, okay. Oh, I'm going to file for, um, uh, uh, I'm going to file. Someone stole my identity. So that's it. Like, you're off the hook. Guys now, a lot of, a lot of guys are doing the iPhone thing too now. Um, the iPhone scam. Like, it's not really a scam. It's just like, you just fucking old people credit. But like, like, like I got a friend who would go to the mall and he would get like a homeless dude who was probably in his fucking 50s, and he'll be like, yo, come on. Go to the Apple, just go to a team over

and tell him you want to get you an iPhone plan. And they'll run the dude's name and shit. And then, you know, he might even have a phone and never in his life. Or he might have, you know what I'm saying? He might have, you know, phones are, you don't really need great, great credit to get a phone, a lot of phones.

You got 600, you could probably get five lines. You know what I'm saying? With a 620 credit score. So my homeboy to go find people old homeowners do. Hey man, come to the mall with your ID. You get the phone in your name, I'm going to get $200. All right, cool. Dude might get five, six lines today for $300.

$200 to here. That's $500 for $6. And they just go sit all the iPhones to run the Chinese people on the phone store. You know what I'm saying? Brand new in the box, five iPhone. I got a friend that does that shit all week long. He's just go find people who need money, who

in the streets and go get the phone to their name and sell out of the phone. I was in prison with a guy who would get someone who had decent credit. So you've got good credit. You got a 650 or you got, let's say you got a 700 credit score. And he would open up, let's say two corporations in your name, maybe three. Then he would go in to, you know, I don't think it was like the Apple store. I think it was like Verizon or T-Mobile or something. He'd get one of them, one or two of them, they had a,

plan where if you had a corporation you could get like 10 iPhones so they go in and he says I got a corporation I need 10 iPhones and we're talking about the top they're there a thousand bucks a piece they would pull his credit say no problem you have perfect credit here's the phones he would take the phones he would sell the phones overseas you could sell them through I don't know whether it was Alibaba who they would sell them and they'd sell them for like 500 box but that's still five grand if you open up four corporations for 300 bucks a piece that's 5,000 times four so that's 20 grand right there you give the guy a couple thousand to go in and he the thing is is that they wouldn't put it on his credit when they he doesn't pay they would put it

against the corporation's credit and if anybody ever called him he'd say what I don't own any corporations. I've never been to T-Mobile. What are you talking about? They say, yeah, here's what happened. He'd go, oh, man, that's crazy. I'm calling the police. He calls a police and files a stolen identity report. And that's it. He made a few thousand dollars. My buddy made 18,000 because he gave him two of the 20. You know, and he's got people, he's doing this. He said at one point I was doing, he said, there was one point where for several months, he said literally three or four days a week, I was having at least one or two people a day going in. So he's making, he's making 50, at least 50 grand a day for three, four days a week for months. We're going in with

their own identities or identity that he's stole for them to be. No, no, like they would go in as them with their eyes. He's got a corporation in their name though. Huh? Yeah, there's a corporation. He would open up a corporation. In the corporation, you can open up Florida corpse for like 300 bucks. I mean, really, if you do it yourself, I mean, you can do it yourself. It's pretty cheap. It's like it's a couple hundred bucks. So, and he's doing two or three of those.

But I mean, let's, that's less than $1,000 to open up like three or four of them. So, hey, listen, sometimes he said, you just make the paperwork. You could just make the paperwork for the corporation, print them out on the, on a corporate, you know, the corporate paperwork. Put a tax ID number. Like, you could forge it all and have it put the guy's name on it. And keep in mind, if it ever. he ever gets a phone call he's going to say what are you talking about i didn't do this like corporation you know i i i work for at t and t like i i i didn't go into t mobile i have a i have

you know i have an a t and t plan or i whatever i work for walmart what are you talking about that i don't do that i so he just denies it and it doesn't end up on his credit anyway this guy did this for half a million to a million dollars or something i forget exactly how much he barely got any time too but yeah these guys you know they get man they're just super super um creative with this stuff right like it's yeah it's sick especially right now there's like it's crazy right now like they're so creative right now bro like as the economy gets worse or worse people get more and more creative oh what's talking about they they have they got bank law now like people got your whole how much money in your account your pin number

your debit card number just everything they're making fake IDs obviously they baby necessity is the mother of invention you know people are in need they're going to get desperate they're going to start doing all kinds of crazy shit um but i mean like right now i can't tell you how many people want to just lend me money like it's everybody's coming out of the woodwork every credit card i have everybody hey you're pre-approved up to 30 000 dollars up to 20,000 I'm not. It's like, what's going on? Like, I'm not even asking for this money. Every day I'm bombarded. Well, for real. Yeah. So, I mean, I think banks are desperate to lend money. And I talked to somebody the other day who, who has a friend that works at a credit union. And he was telling, uh, telling this guy, he's like, listen, he's like, we're, we're, we're lending money to almost anybody. Like, we're desperately lending money at this point. We got money to lend. I was like, well, like, what's going on? that's crazy so what did you want to know about the guns you say um oh yeah yeah i was i was

that story that we had talked about i always wondered like it's funny because as soon as i got off i think i was so enamored with the story that i just totally forgot to even ask but i was like how remember so the story was that you were robbing police officers houses you're figuring out where they work whatever where they live then you'd go into the house but i'm saying and because you knew they had guns what i was wondering is like how do you one know where all the all the cops are living like are you going to the police station and watching them or do you already you already obviously know where some police officers live but do you have people looking out for them is it like how does how does that work and how long do you watch the how long do you watch them to figure

out what their schedule is because you were super confident on your ability to know he's going to work a 12-hour shift his wife works at nine-hour shift or an eight hours she won't be like i got a window six hours here um so uh it's a small town called millisville Georgia and minisville Georgia the whole county Baldwin County population is Valley, 40,000. The city, 18,000 people. So it's very, very small city, but they got their own police and all that good stuff. So what would happen is most of the times when you're like out in the suburbs or like in the country, whatever, just walking. Like we're always taking walks to the park or go play ball at a certain basketball court and you'll see a cop car in the yard.

And you're like, oh, that's a cop car. You know what I'm saying? In the yard like, and you're to realize, well, he lives there. Then you might, oh, you know what I'm saying? We go to school with certain kids and their dad is a cop. And you get to know these things. So as you get older, you remember this stuff. It's a small town you grow up in.

So as you get older, you remember this stuff. And yeah, bro, especially like in my neighborhood, where I grew up at, I was just being in the neighborhood, walking. And like, when you're young, bro, you'll walk for miles just to see what's out in the world. Right. He's 10, 11, 12, 13 years old, just walking.

So by the time I was able to steal, knew what I was doing, I knew a cop live here, a cop lived there, a cop's live here. So then what you do is, you gotta figure out these schedules. So I know that we already know the cops is 12 hours, 6 to 6, shift change, 66. Now, who lives with him?

He got a son that's in school and a wife that goes to work. I know what town school's over with, and I'm gonna watch his wife for maybe four days you come home from work. And that's how I go. And then it just became what you do for so long, people have started telling you, like, yo, bro,

it's a cop live over there, such a such neighborhood. You know what I'm saying? People start bringing it to you, like, yo, bro. Because they, especially motherfucker that they like guns and buy guns from you, they'll tell you like, bro, I know it's a cop live here over there, but most of the time, it will be just, uh random ride by walk past or somebody would say something around me and i'd be like hmm

you know what i'm saying that type of story like you know what i'm saying um and that came for me just being a burglar period because even before the cop and the guns you people are moving to my neighborhood regular people and i walk up up up street and hey how you doing y'all just moving in yeah you know it's georgia people talk to people yeah y'all just moving in yeah sure uh what do you do and i'm a little innocent kid to them 14. I look like I'm probably 10 at 14. What do you do? I work at this tire shop and my wife works here. We just moved over here and come on in, bro, and have a drink. I looking around, you got a flat screen there and a studio here. I was one of those people, you would invite me inside. I'm scanning this shit with download images. I'm downloaded

what you're saying. You work here and you work there. And then when you leave and go to work, I'm in your house. I'm making breakfast. I'm drinking your liquor. I'm still in shit. I've taken my time with it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I was just kidding. Hey, Matthew, it got bad.

I'm to the point where I want to make food with it. When I break in your house now, like, because I got time to be in here. She was crazy. So quick. So you're going to start interviewing people? Yeah, I'm going to start interviewing people, man. I got a lot of stories. i got a lot of people who i know with with great stories especially been to jail and like

50 scammers robbers bank robbers yeah i know a lot of people so um i'm ready to do that man because my content was was being monetized but i wasn't i didn't have a plan and like you say you got to be consistent and you got to be in a have a certain niche just be consistent with that and i see bro when i first watch your channel i think you had like 70 000 subscribers we went to 100 and something quick as fuck it's got like 1501,000 like I had I had several good video this is a couple of months though like you're just 75 a few months ago no like three months it shut up it's crazy like how the fuck you're doing wow like it's slowed down I'll bet you over the next month it'll probably be down to around maybe three or four thousand um which honestly

i'm okay with like listen like I don't expect to blow up up in six months and have a million or half a million subscribers because you know the truth is like i like doing this like talking to guys it's slowly you know it the money's pretty consistent it wasn't for years so you said the last three months you made 8000 to 10 yeah it's it's the channel has brought in between 8 to like 13 14000 dollars like every month for now it's drop it it's dropping down dramatically so it's you know that's trajectory down because we had several good videos it shot up but prior to that it was doing well and doing well was making let's say whatever five to seven or eight thousand like bro now keep in mind i'm putting out four

pieces of content a month i mean i mean oh sorry four pieces of content a week but you know and and think about the watchtow listen if you did I can tell you right now what the matrix are like you're already monetized you'll be monetized again you know I know that you got a strike but so look it's not even a strike they didn't even give me a strike it's just one day I woke up and it said your content is not no longer being monetized due to reused content oh because yeah because I was doing reaction videos but I wasn't doing the correct way remember when I asked you like hey let's reaction videos together because bro sometimes those sheds go viral and that's how you get those

subscriber bursts and though you know what I'm saying that that two three months 80 thousand subscribers shoot up and you like you say it's a good a few impactful pieces of content well let's let's say if you did if you just follow uh you know the the newest latest crimes or fraud cases and shit like that and they might air it on CNN or 60 minutes and And we could be on stream yard, play the content, the whole crime, whatever, the CNN story, and react to it during it. Yeah, you could watch it and then have a discussion about, like, how it happened, what, because I've got it. The correct way to do it, the correct way to do it is the whole time that you're watching it, your face has to be showing through the whole thing. Oh, right, right, right.

What I was doing was to get more engagement, I would get a clip of the content without my face, just like Michael Jackson and some shit. If somebody's going to watch and I'll show the clip for two, three minutes, you didn't stop the clip and they didn't go to me talking about it. Right. It's illegal. Right. If I'm going to use their content, your face got to be showing the whole time through the video or either your voice got to be talking through it the whole time. And YouTube calls it, you have to add value. You got to add value to the content.

Right. That has to basically be a new clip. You can use that clip within your new content, but it can't be the exact same clip. You have to do something to it. You have to alter it. To edit it to it. That's what I say. Let's say if we're on streaming or we're doing somebody broken into, somebody did this big scam and they got a whole documentary,

45 minutes clip about it you can go on scream yard and you know watch it for maybe 10 15 minutes stop it like oh shit this is going or he's about to do this or he about to do that what you think he's about to do it you know or he's about to get caught you know just react to it right and a lot of time a lot of those videos already are being the algorithm people are the um people would uh have heard of it and it get you a lot of good views and shit man like i'm like I was making reaction videos and getting 10K, 7K views and shit. Because I wasn't getting on my regular videos, but I had to take a lot of them down because I didn't do it the right way.

Me and the guy who I do reaction videos with, we just did one two days, three days ago. It did like two, three thousand videos really pretty quick. So, yeah. Well, I know what I was saying. The problem is one, you're not doing it consistently enough. You got to do it consistently. If you're going to do two a week, you've got to do two a week from... Hey, we know you probably hit play to escape your business banking, not think about it.

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So you need to, hey, I need, you know, I'm not, either you're going to do, like you said, 45 minutes to an hour long videos, then they all need to be 45 minutes to an hour long video. Right now, right now I'm big on staying in my niche, but diversifying my content through the playlist. like you know um like your interviews you got playlist so you might have all your inside true crime interviews on one playlist right then you might got all your reaction videos on another playlist and then you might have another playlist where you just have your shorts but you've got the shorts then you might have a flashback of the old interviews certain parts on the

playlist and what that is they're going to bring more some people might not like your regular interview but they might like their reactions or some motherfucker might not like the reaction but they might like this but that'll bring more people to your channel who just uh just making different types of content on the same channel though in the same niche right you know what i'm saying yeah i was gonna say like if you're already monetized and you started doing putting up two videos a week and they were let's say an hour long apiece i'd say within six months you probably be making a couple thousand dollars a month you know even if they were getting five to 10,000 views per and the thing is like two grand a month to do this that's that's a joke like that's

and i'm mean stream yard too not the other stuff right right right a lot of guys will say stuff in my in my comments like they like it when people are in person well you know the problem in person is this so they're like oh bro quit being cheap fly these guys in well wait a second If the channel makes 12,000 a month, well, let's say it makes, let's be more reasonable. Let's say it makes $8 or $9,000 a month. I don't make $8,000 or $9,000. Like, you know, keep in mind that there's Colby as an, you know, there's an editor involved. There are other people involved.

Like, I've never seen an $8,000 check. Like, you know, by the time, you know, that check gets cut to me, maybe I'm getting a check for $3,000 or whatever. Now, so, but, you know, that that, that's. Keep mind, these people are coming here to the house. I have to maintain a studio. I have to pay to have somebody switch the camera. Somebody to edit all that, stuff like that. But Stream Yard is super cheap.

So when people are like, bro, you should have flown that guy in. Well, wait a second. If the guy flew in and admittedly, if the person is in person, you get about 50 to 60% more views. So let's say a video was Streamyard, which is what the platform we're using right now. I'm just, I know you know that.

I know you already have it. But the platform we're using right now is stream yard. There's different one. There's Riverside. There's, there's, but so just say you're using, I like stream yard because I feel like it's pretty simple.

So if you did one on stream yard and it was an hour, let's say it was an hour long. So you do it on stream yard. It's an hour long. You interview some guy and it gets 10,000 views. So it might make. roughly $100 in it might be a hundred bucks in the first for that 10,000 now granted people will keep watching it so the next time right next month it might make 200

views a month after that it might make 150 you know in a year from now it's making 50 you know a month it's passive income right right but it's still making so here's the thing so people will yell at me and they'll say bro you should have flown that guy in. Right. So let's say I flew that guy in and I flew him in and that video made he was here. So it got 60% more. It ended up getting 16,000 views. Even if he's here and it makes 160 bucks. Let's face it. I had to pay you want me to pay three or four hundred dollars to fly him in, $200 to keep him overnight in a hotel. So even if he flies in in in the morning and leaves that night, you want me to spend three to four hundred dollars to fly him in. And on a video that's going to make $160. Like in what world does that make sense? I make 160. I spend $400.

So that's stupid. But keep in mind, would I rather be in the whole $250 or would I rather make $120 on using Streamyard? So what I'm saying, if you just do Streamyard two videos a week and in six months, because what happens is, of course, you make that initial month. the first push the first when it first i ain't gonna lie to you man i'm gonna be right i'm gonna be real honest with you when i get back in my group i'm gonna do way more than two videos a week well i know that but i'm just saying that's not my my ain't gonna let me do two a week i'm too i'm too i'm explaining it to people you give me a less bottle you try to give it to me on a easy

to read scale i get you all right yeah well so let's face it all you have to do is double that if you're doing four if you're doing four a week so probably in six months you'll be making four thousand And that's, by the way, that's a conservative number. The truth is you're going to have a couple of videos that are going to do good. And every once in a while, you're going to do one that gets 200,000 views and it's going to make a couple thousand dollars. And so, you know what I'm saying? So periodically you're going to have those. And keep mind, people are still watching the old ones.

So the more videos you have. So you might make fourth, let's say you make, you might make a thousand dollars, $2,000, I say, $2,000 a month on the videos. you released that month. But you're making $2,000 on the videos that you released over the last six months. Right. Right. They're not making, they're not making $100 a piece. They're only making $30 a month now. But there's, there's six months worth of them. Right. So that's what I'm saying. Like, you can't say. It's going to keep on going and going. Right. No, you keep on doing your content. Right. And that's the only thing. Like the first month, we're making not. I mean, the first, sorry, the first year, we're making almost nothing. The second year is like, okay, it's, it's, it's,

It's starting to pick up, but now it's been over two and a half years. And now it's doing, now it's paying all my bills. Yeah, it's your only job now right now. That's why before I was like hustling, doing all these other things and this, but now I'm down to where you two's almost my full-time job. So, you know, let's face it, what can you... But I was telling my wife, I was like, look, I know I'm on this shit a lot lately. I spend a lot of time on this shit.

And you kind of seem like I'm just, but my goal is to take care of everything with YouTube money. I got to put time into it. You got to be consistent, you know what I'm saying? So like, I'm going to take your advice, though, bro. I'm going. I'm going to get the interviews. I'm about to start going and you a stream yard. And this is what you do.

You know the guy, even if you don't know enough people, you, every guy you interview knows four or five guys. Yeah. Every guy. Right. And for you, your channel is growing, bro. like you're getting like you you you're at 150 mark now with some of our subscribers so what's about to happen is soon is you buy starting a lot of offers for uh um sponsorships and sponsors to deal this stuff like that but not only that these are people you want to fly out

the people that are known are already in the world by a lot of people and they reach out to you and say hey man i want to come to you and tell my story because you got a big audience those are the guys who you I okay like like a famous fucking like a criminal who's somebody who's you know yeah just out of jail for doing some shit that the whole world knew about you know what I'm saying you them the guys you want to fly out this fucking Ted Bunny were to come home or some crazy you know I'm saying like a motherfucker who everybody you know like George Blow or some shit like you know Boston bloody you know El Chapo mother type of type shit they come home yeah

I fly his ass to do interviews you're gonna do a million views You don't know what I'm saying it'd be worth it. But I'm not going to fly a regular person out to do an interview, you know, like you said, you'll lose money like that. You got to be a famous criminal for me to fly you in because I know it would be worth it. All right. All right. Are we good? Cool.

I talk to you soon, man. Yeah, when I get back monetized, I'm going to let you know. But I'm going to take your advice for sure. And I appreciate it, too. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I appreciate you guys watching. I hope you liked the video. We're going to go ahead and play Capo's original video after this one. So if anything you heard in this video, you're like, I don't know what he's talking about. We're going to play the other one.

We're going to put it on the back of this one. So check it out. Super funny interview. Really appreciate you guys watching. Check out the next interview. Where were you born? I was born in Augusta, Georgia, 1983. My mom and dad moved to Minnishville, Georgia, around about when I was, I want to say,

eight years old, maybe nine. Do you have any brothers or sisters or anything like that? Yep. So I grew up with one sibling. He named is Christopher Grable. And we grew up in the same home, same mom, same dad. My dad went out and had a child out of lot with, I mean, out of wetlock. He went to have a child out of wetlock.

I had another brother. And we grew up in a small town, Middisfield, Georgia. It's probably like 30 minutes south of Atlanta, 45 minutes south of Atlanta. It's very, very small town, but it's very urban. It's a lot of blacks. You know, Georgia has a lot of blacks anyway. So I just grew up in a small town. But I did not grow up on the black side of town.

I grew up on the side of town with the white kids because I was fortunate enough to have a mom and the dad and so forth. So as time goes on, my mom and dad are working a lot of hours. I'm getting a little older, so they're not home as much. So at age like 12 or 13s, when I started really like, let me go outside, let me see what's going on outside, you know what I'm saying? So that turned out kind of crazy because now that everybody in my neighborhood knows that My mom and dad is never home.

So my house is, you know, the hangout house. You know, you got their friend whose house is like, go to his house. It's the cool house. His mom, dad never there. That was kind of like my house. So this is how I get into guns, but I'm going to give you a quick back story of just how I get into the situation. So while I'm outside hanging with my friends, I meet this dude. He said that he has a friend that has marijuana.

So I'm like, all right, cool. We're going to try to smoke some weed today. This time I'm like 13. And so the dude with the marijuana lives in another neighborhood in this same little town. So we go get the weed and we hang out for maybe 30, 40 minutes. And my mind is just blown away because, mind you, I've been in the country and the suburbs my whole life.

And this is my first time going to like a city where it's like real hoods. Like I haven't ever seen this shit before in my era. And I'm young. So my mind is blown away. Dudes outside walking around. I see guns. and everybody's smoking weed and girls walking around. And, you know, it's just, that's just you see on TV type hood environment.

So I instantly was attracted to that. So I started going back over there hanging around. And it was me, two of my white friends from my neighborhood. And the dude I now met in this other neighborhood. We found a little group. We started hanging out. Boom. So my first way of getting money was just hushling crack.

Because that's what everybody was doing in his neighborhood that were hustling crack. So I'm like, how do you do that? Like, give me the game. You know, I want to make some money. So he's like, listen, it's simple. I'm going to give you five of these for $10 a piece. They sell for $20 a piece on the block. All you got to do is give me $50 to go outside and make you $100.

I'm 13 years old. I can't believe this shit. I went outside. It happened. It worked. I made some money. I'm like, wow, I just made $50 turned to $100. And I think that day right there is the day that, like, caused me a lot of problems

for the rest of my life like up until a few years back that day right there like it was so crazy to me how my mom and dad worked hard for their money they get paid once a week i can go outside and make 50 turn to 100 debt quick not thinking about the consequence i'm just a young a young mind so uh times going on and um i'm getting just more and more into the street life so we started started breaking in cars. And that's how my gun journey first started. We started breaking in cars. And this is in Georgia in the mid-90s. No cameras and no iPhones and no doorbell cameras and none of that stuff going on in the mid-90s. So we really out here just going crazy. So we're finding guns. Now in the town that I live in, the city of Millicville, Georgia,

you can Google this, Middishville, Georgia. It's one of the worst gang infested. cities in Georgia. It's bloods, it's Crips, it's GDs, every game in the world is in that small town. Except, I told you, I'm not from their area. I live in the suburbs. So, we're breaking their cars, we're getting all the guns.

The dudes in school, like, yo, we need the guns because they gang bang. So, you know, I get known in the streets for selling drugs, and I have guns every now and then, so all the dudes who gang bang come to me and get their guns. So I never forget this, man.

Couple of years go by and they're just, you know, breaking their cars. They turned to breaking their houses. And then we got kind of slick with it. We were like, you know what? A cop live right there. So we're breaking the cop house. It's for sure some guns going to be in there. That's a bad idea.

Crazy shit, but we're young, but we ain't even 17 yet. And like I said, cameras and all that stuff wasn't really popular back then, especially in Georgia is very, very poverty-stricken place, except Atlanta. Atlanta is the only Atlanta and Savannah, maybe the only two cities in Georgia that really has some money and it's thriving. So anyway, start doing that, start breaking in cops' houses, getting their shotguns, they're ex-D handguns and just crazy stuff. So I'm known for that now. I'm the gun guy. I'm the guy with whatever you want, I can get it.

So I never forget this, man. I say maybe it's 2000 now. It's the year of 2000. I'm probably 18 and this is true story. This is facts. We're watching Set It Off the movie, me, my brother, my white friend, and his brother. His name is Ronnie Holder. Shout out Ronnie Holder.

He's doing life right now. Oh. Yeah, he, you know, some people just never leave that life alone, you know. But he's doing life right now in Georgia State Prison. So are we watching Set It Off? and we're just amazed that they really drove a truck through this bank and rode the bank that shit was so cool to us

and like I can really say this and I want to say this all that shit I was doing back then bro a lot of it had to do with my intake which was rap music and these crazy-ass movies that were coming out at Memphis Society Boys in the Hood, that shit is like bad on the child

you know what I'm saying so my intake is like I'm not knowing that these guys is acting and these rappers is acting I think they're doing this shit for real that they're talking about, you feel me? Right. So I'm doing this shit for real, you know what I'm saying? So you're watching set it off.

You're like, that shit's cool. We should just go break in the pawn shop and just get out of guns like the pawn shop. And in Georgia, most of the pawn shops sell guns because, you know, they got very lenient laws in Georgia with the kind of firearms. So you can get a firearm in any local pawn shop or any corner.

They have guns in there. And so we're going to break in the pawn shop. We're going to drive a truck through the pawn shop at night. We're going to get out of guns, and we're going to pull off, like set it off. That's what we're thinking out here. So one night we're in the room just smoking. And me, I always been like ahead of my time. Like my thinking was on an adult level.

Like, I always thought on an adult level. So I'm like, I'm in the room one day and I'm just putting this plan together. This is something we talked to me. about but we haven't put any action to it but in my head I'm really trying to put this plan together because I just want to do this shit so I put the plan together like listen it's a four by four truck up the street at this used car lot this back 2000 they still had the key box to the cars on the windows of the cars so the the car keys is actually on the side of the window of the car in a little box it's got that little that little key that pops that only they got

Yep. So you got to break into the box once you get it off the window. Exactly. So that night, I wanted to do that job because I really didn't want to drive through the pawn shop. And I made the plan. And I knew that if I did, this one part was to get the main truck, I got in, you feel me? So I went in and got the key box off the truck, took it back home with me, broke inside of it, obviously. And this car lot that I stole this car from was called Junior's Auto Cell.

And it had like a wooden fence around it, not like metal, but it was like an old Western theme. It was like logs on top of logs to make a fence type thing. So you can like just pull that shit out the ground basically, for real. So that night came, I took the truck. I pulled the logs out of the ground. I drove the truck off. this truck really was like a monster truck almost like it had those big ass mud tires on it it's the perfect shit that you want to drive through a building with you feel me so uh my brother

and my two friends they can't bleed their eyes like yo you're fucking crazy you really got the truck i'm like what's up what we're going to do we're going to do this shit or what so uh them my friend ronnie his brother and my brother they agreed to get in the truck and go do it I'm going to meet them after the robbery in another truck up the street. So what happened is this. They go. They try to just ram the door one time. It really didn't work that good because they scared to just, like, give it all they got.

So by the time they did get into the building, the cops was kind of like alerted. But they got away with a whole bunch of guns, assault rifles, pistols, glocks. I didn't even know they made nine millimeter rifles. I didn't know they made like all these crazy. This is back when tech nines were popular and stuff like that. And we took a lot of that stuff. And the plan was to get the guns to this other truck that I had. And when we got to that truck, we're going to swap everything out and I'm going to burn this

truck up that I just drove through the pawn shop with. It's a great idea, right? My brother's freaking out. He's like, no, bro, y'all going too far. You're going too far. I don't want no process of that crazy. You're going to blow the truck up. Yeah, we got to burn the truck.

truck up my brother he's bugging out so he gets out the car and just takes off running from us like y'all are crazy i mean that's not that's no worse than already breaking in the pawn shop with the guns i mean you're already you're you're past the point in no return we passed the point we've been there with your prints on it we got to get rid of this truck it got too many ways to track it back to us but my brother this is first time he really never even hangs with me at this point when i'm in the scree's doing what i'm doing my little brother don't really hang with me. But this one time, he's like, he wanted to go. So he jumped out the truck and run. So we get away. We really set that truck on fire, burning it up, and we get into another

truck, and we drive home. My brother has gotten picked up by the cops. For what? Walking from is that illegal? Black walking from a crime scene. But it's a small town. right you know it's this mile town it's a young guy walking the same direction that this robbery just got called in it so um it's the true story i'm not going to say my brother's name on camera but they picked my brother up and he told everybody but me i mean couldn't he just said i'm just walking like it was just what are you doing i'm walking they scared him they got him and he's he's a kid man he's

Yeah. Just turned 17. I'm 18. He's a year younger than me. You're going to jail for 10 years. We know you did it. We have surveillance photos. There's what two people saw you get dropped off.

We know. The crazy part about it. Jimmy Paul and Billy did it. The crazy part about it. That place did have no cameras at all at that time. Yeah. I know that, but your brother doesn't know, you know, there was a camera on the McDonald's across the street. We got another one on the, you know,

Don't they just lie to you and you just start telling. So we get back home and we got bulletproof vests. We got guns. We got all this shit. And like my heart, my adrenaline is. From the pawn shop? From the pawn shop. Okay.

They sell uniforms for cops, equipment. It's like a, it's a pawn shop slash gun store. Okay. But if anybody who's watching is from Georgia, they can voucher. Like, y'all seen those, it's a pawn shop. slash gun store in the same business. I'm in Florida. They sell guns and all the pawn shops.

They all got guns. They'll buy pretty much anything that they think of they can sell. So it was that kind of set up, but it was also like police friendly. They had like uniforms and vests and tactical shit. So we get back home and we're not even thinking about my brother at this point. We kind of put this shit up in safe places. We pick what we want. You get this.

You get that long story short. So now we send back chilling and smoke. I'm like, hold on. What the fuck my brother is? So I'm tripping out now with my brother at. So my two homeboys with the other truck, they were like, we're trying to go find him. I'm like, man, I ain't getting back in that truck with y'all tonight. That shit is just not going to happen. Like, no, I don't think we should go back out there. They're like, man, it's your brother, man. This might be, it's just we got to go find him. I'm like, y'all go find him, bro. I'm going to cheer right here. Like, they leave, not knowing that my brother has

been picked up and he told them that he told them that i'll be two other white guys so wait a second wait a second he said they kicked here okay look i'm saying isn't the truck fucked up how are they you still driving the truck it's not damaged you remember i said we the truck that we drove we switched out to another truck oh okay i missed that sorry i missed that yeah go ahead we burned that truck up yeah i thought you hadn't burned the truck yet yeah we got all you said was your brother got he got out and got picked up. I thought you guys were still driving around the same. Right, okay, I'll move too fast.

Sorry, go ahead. So when my brother got out and ran, we just went on with the operation. We had another truck set up somewhere where I was in the other truck. Right. They come back to me like your brother, he piled ass on us. He didn't want no more. So when they get back to me and the other truck, my brother's not with us no more. He's walking.

Boom. Now we switch trucks. We lead that truck in like a wooded area. We've set it on fire. We get in this truck. go back to my mom house. Okay. Because they're looking for the red truck probably, you feel

me? So we go back to my mom house. And when we get there, we separate things, split stuff up, you know what I'm saying? And after we're chilling for a little while, we're like, what the fuck my brother at? So they want to go find him. I don't.

I'm scared of shit still. Like, I just can't believe I just did this crazy-ass shit. And at this point, you hear the sirens, you hear the police cars, you see the light, like, this shit. shit was like, this is no lie, bro, the worst idea ever. That shit was like half a mile from my house where we did this at. Right. So I hear, you see all the action going towards that way. I'm like, no way I'm going to find him right now. So they want to go find him. And I guess

they also want to go take their guns home that they got out of the deal. So when they leave, they don't know that. My brother's been picked up. Yep, he's been picked up. And he told him that two white guys kidnapped him and made him rob a storeb it down stupidest shit ever okay I'm sure the cops didn't believe that they didn't believe that they didn't fuck no so uh that night nobody came back to me I'm like what the fuck and I'm too young to like I'm not about to caught around to the jails and shit I'm just like I feel like something bad having but I don't know and we're young so I'm like what the fuck like So probably that next morning, like 9 o'clock, cops come to my house, knock on the door.

They try to get me to tell them something. They know for sure, but you know something. Everybody left your house last night. We know that. They went to rob this store. You wasn't willing to, we know that, but you got to know what the guns are. You got to know something. I don't know shit about shit.

I wasn't with them. I don't know nothing. They pressed me, take them to the station and try to scare me up. I ain't break. And luckily, my two friends, the two other brothers, they didn't tell on me. But they're mad. And just called on my phone, like, your fucking brother's a rat. I'm like, yo.

So I'm still free. They write me a letter and tell me where all the other guns are. I tell you, bro. I ain't never had no shit like that in my life. Like, people to this day who know me for that, like, bro, you're one crazy motherfucker. I had so many guns. And so what happened was I started, I was selling guns to everybody, everybody who, all the game, rival game members who needed guns, I got it.

What about, what about the two guys? Like, are they, did they, what happened to them? They're in jail right now. Oh, for that? Yeah, well, not today, but in this story. Okay, at this point, they're still just in jail. Yeah. So they haven't been.

sentenced, they didn't get bond? No, not yet. Not anything. So they're in jail. Both of those guys was on probation. My brother was not on probation, but he had a bond that was ridiculously high, and my mom couldn't make it. So he had to sit in jail for a while. So I started moving the guns, I'm setting the guns, and just being crazy with it. So that right there started me on like um i want to say like i was branded like i'm the gun guy and they felt good to me that everybody needed me for something they like they felt good to me so i got to keep this going i got to figure out how to keep this going so um what happens is they get sentenced to like five years each plus with georgia back then georgia get your sentence like this 20 serve

five okay 20 serve five is is a 20 years sentence. You're going to serve five, and the other 15 is on probation. 15 years of probation? Yeah. That's how they trick you in Georgia. And then if you get in trouble at all, you can go back for the whole thing, right? Yes. All right. You know what I'm saying? But they have to, that charge, they had to give you 20 years for that charge, but you don't have to serve it in prison. You just have to get that number. You see what I'm saying? So that's 20 serve five.

My brother ended up getting 10 years probation. he ended up coming home he told you know what I'm saying I understand you feel me I'm not going to say his name on here but he told so uh he ended up coming home on probation now a few months go by all the guns I had are gone but my phone's still ringing I'm still hungry for money I got to keep this shit going so um eventually at some point I joined the gang the Crips, game bang it was getting more and more popular in Georgia. It was growing. It was growing. Eventually, I just got into it.

I started hanging on the other side of town more than where I grew up at at this point. So now I'm just all in. I started gangbanging. And from that point, I started teaching younger members how to break in police houses. You still police guns. Specifically police? Specifically police because they got a lot of shit because I'm young. I haven't done, but I haven't been caught yet.

Yeah. You got to think about that. Yeah, so you kind of, you still think you're invincible. You still think, like, they ain't going to catch me. I'm too smart. I'm too good. Everybody that, before you go to jail, you think it can't happen to you. Yeah.

Can't happen to me. Those other guys went to jail because they're stupid. Not me. Not me. I'm making other people do it. I'm not going to do it. Yeah. You know?

So, yeah. And a lot of the neighborhood cops, they were mad about that shit, too. Because like I said, back then, it wasn't no doorbell camera. It wasn't no iPhones. It wasn't none of that technology. And they had a home system back then was probably kind of expensive. So I just knew to watch the cops. I knew what shift they were.

I watched your wife go to work. I know what time she's coming home from work. It's a small town. I'm watching. So I know you got a six-hour window for right here. Like, this is some funny shit. It has been times that I would know my window was long and I would break in the cop house

and it cooked me some food and shit. This is real tough. Listen, that's what makes them hate you. That's the kind of shit that makes them hate you. I'm not proud of this shit. You know what I'm saying? I've been ashamed, but this is the story that is crazy. So, man, I'm doing that.

I got a lot of, lot of stripes. in this game because i was the guy that could get the weapons and stuff um it all started to fall down towards 2006 seven at this point i got a bag up i got to back up a little bit i end up catching a case but not for guns it was for drugs i caught a drug possession case i end up going to jail I served a couple years from 2000 to 2000 no for 2004 to 2006 I came home 2006 and I guess when I try to do that stupid shit again and yes now is my space is out now I'm saying camera phones are out now all right I just got out of jail and I'm like yo this is crazy so I'm back on my bullshit I'm breaking in houses I'm stealing car I'm stealing police guns

And I run across these two Mac 11s. And they had the shoulder sling going on. They were brand new with the muzzle, the cooling system. It was like the coolest shit ever. And they were for a cop. And I took the guns. And I went crazy with my camera phone. The same stupid.

On my space? On My space. I was the first guy to go viral and go to jail. I knew a guy that I knew a guy that robbed the bank Listen I knew a guy that robbed the bank Layed on put the money all around them And took pictures and put it on Facebook

And the bands Were still on the And like the place you just got robbed Like people he knew it went crazy People called the bank and said Or people called the cops and said Didn't a bank get robbed like yesterday Like you need to look at this

Boom We arrested him They had them arrested within a day or two. Yo, that's crazy. You just don't think they're going to put it together that fast. You don't. You don't. And another thing is this.

People, the way my stuff went viral is because, like, I don't know. I just felt like it was a certain group of people that wanted me to go to jail because they felt like I was dangerous, bro. I was providing guns to people who were really killers, you know what I'm saying? And like a lot of people, a lot of older people, didn't like me for that because they heard about me. Like, that's that guy who getting all these guns and, you know what I'm saying? So I got two Mac 11s.

Oh, and the crazy part about these two Mac 11s, I had 20 clips. This cop had two Mac 11s and 20 clips loaded in his closet in his house. I guess, but this gun wasn't a fully automatic gun, so it was legal. It was a semi-automatic gun, but it was a Mac 11 for sure. And long story shot, I put it on MySpace. I sent the pictures out, and it wasn't even two days. The cops came and got me. It wasn't even two days later.

It wasn't even the cops. I'm sorry, my probation officer. Oh. Do you remember of your MySpace? My probation officer. No, I don't know if he got it from MySpace, but he just got the word. And in Georgia, I don't know about Florida, but they don't need a warrant if you're on probation. They come right in your house.

So they brought him to make it stick, kind of like, you know what I'm saying? Let the P.O. search the house. You can't go wrong here. You feel me? Yeah. So the P.O. could give consent. Exactly. So my P.O. called me.

He said, hey, I'm about to do a field check. You know, just come outside and wave your hand. I just don't know. Do you still live there? That's some normal shit where he does. A field check, you pull up, say, hey, how you doing? He leave. Treat me.

All right, y'all come on for the field check. He pulled up, and he started talking to him. me and he never came with another guy in the car. I said, who's that in the car? It's my chief. He's the chief of probation. There's thing you know, a police car pulls in, sheriff car pulls in, detective pools, and they put,

I'm like, what the fuck? He's like, yeah, man, you're going to jail. Like, we've been told you got guns in your house. About to go search it. So I'm just lucky you up right now for probation violation. Put your hands behind you back. Put me in the car for probation violation, ship me away.

They find the guns. They found some drugs. I'm on state probation. My parole officer comes to the county jail, maybe after me being locked up for a month. And he says, sign this waiver, saying that you're guilty. And you can just go do six months in prison and I kill your probation.

And then when you get done with that, you have to face your new charges. But you could just give me six months, and I took that your probation. I mean, your parole, I'm sorry, not probation, your parole. Because the two years I did, I only did like 18 months and I'd have 40 months on parole when I came home.

So I caught a new charge. I go do six months. He killed my parole. Boom. I gave back to the county jail. I'm happy. I'm like, yes, I'm about to make bail. I'm about to fight this a gun case with all I got because there wasn't my apartment.

It wasn't my house. All these things in my hair life, I'm about to beat this shit. So when I get back to the county jail after doing my six months, the judge keeps denying my bond hearing. He's like, no, not today. I scheduled for the next week. As we come, now, you ain't got caught today. The judge put it back again.

I'm like, why the, I don't got no parole holding me, no detainers. Why won't you give me a bond? Are they waiting for the ATF to indict you or for you to be indicted? There you go. So now my family's bugging out. They're calling the jail, captain. Why my son don't got no bond? U.S. marshals is going to wait to see him.

I don't know who that is. I'm like, the U.S. marshals. I don't think, I don't know that's the federal government. I'm not putting it together right now in my head. U.S. Marshalls want to see me. How old are you at this point? At this time? 25.

Okay. Yep. I did a bid. It came home, and now I'm 25 at this point. So maybe that's, as I heard of you as Marshalls want to see me, maybe two nights and later,

I get a visit. They say, Ramirez, visit is nighttime. I'm like, who the fuck? We don't even have visits at nighttime. I go into this little room, and then so, uh,

maybe middle age, white lady, there she's like hi i'm from the federal bureau investigations and um are you remiris i'm like from the from the fbi or the a tf fbi i okay the a tf had my case but she was just like a representative to tell me what was going on that i would be moved to another a federal jail because this county jail it's a small county jail they don't hold federal inmates so she was just somebody that i never saw her again she just came to tell me that they picked my case up and i was going to be in federal custody and I'll be leaving this place soon. So I'm sick now. I'm sick.

I'm like the federal, the feds want me for it. I'm like, yo. And most of my homeboys, they get fed cases to do 10, 15, 20 years. So I'm in here. I'm going through it. I'm thinking I'm going home on a bond and now I'm going to a whole other facility. So that very next night, do a day they took me to a federal jail in jones county Georgia um i went in front of a judge and he gave me a bond he said he gave me a $2,500 cash cash bill and he said only because um because they found some marijuana and they found the two mac 11s the DA told me that we're going to drop the marijuana, and you can just plead guilty to the Mac11s, and we'll give you a bond, and we'll work a deal with you when you go to court.

But he said, here's the catch to it. If you plead out to the marijuana, you can get the drug program and get the year after your sentence, but you can't go home on the bond. We don't let drug dealers go home on bond. Like, you get a drug case with the feds. They're telling me, if you got a drug case, we're not letting you go home. But you only just take the guns and plead out of that. drop the weed and let you make bail.

But this whole time, they know I'm a game member, too. And they want me to tell for real. But I don't know this at this point. I'm like, all right, cool. I play out to the gun if y'all drop the weed. Let me go home for a little while with my family, and I come do my time. Boom.

I make bail. When I make bail, my appointed federal lawyer calls me. I never forget, Catherine Leek. She was like, hey, they want to debrief you at the courthouse. I'm like, they want to debrief me. Who is they? You know, she was like, you know, the ATF and, you know, the people who got your case, they want to talk to you about stuff.

I'm like, all right, cool. I go to the courthouse. Um, it was one of those meetings. Look, man, you only got these guns and, you know, this dude in your neighborhood sells drug and this dude your neighborhood does this and who's your gang leader and out of this old crap. And I wasn't talking to him. And so the dude was like, you know, if you ever want to help yourself out, man, you probably go do it probably about 10 years. If you talk to us, I'm going to get it down about two. So he gave me his card. Now, I would be a lie if I said, I didn't think about it. Right. I would be lying to you because I'm free. My kid, at this time, I got a small, small child, and I'm like, so it's in my mind, but I know that whatever time I'm about to do

is not going to be forever. And I feel like I wanted to still be an entertainer. I still wanted to do music. And I just didn't want to have a bad name from where I'm from. You know, And you can get killed. And I'm a gang member, you feel me? Everybody go to federal prison. So, you know what I'm saying? So I just chose to do my time. So I ended up taking 70 months.

But my guideline was 70 to like 100 months or something. Like 70 to 100 months was my guideline. And I went in front of the worst judge, bro. And I really thought he gave everybody the high end. He gives everybody the high number. Like when I got my judge, the whole jail, like, yeah, you're done. He's going to give you the, he's going to give you a hundred months, which is almost 10 years. What saved me was my dad was the same guy I told you that went to the college that raised me.

He worked for the Department of Corrections, but on the state level, and he showed up to my court sentencing. And he was like, you know, I worked for the Department of Corrections. and I don't agree with my son and I hate criminals this little speech and the judge gave me 70 months, bro. And the only reason I wasn't an all-career criminal

because my drug charge before that wasn't intent to deliver. It was just a possession. So they couldn't give me an on-career criminal. It was only a 922G. But I mean, I got so much time because I was Category 6 though

because I got out. I was going to say Because you got to get five years, no matter what, you had to get five years. So you, but your criminal history was already pretty high. That's why you end up getting with the 70 months instead of the 60. But some people get 922 Gs and don't get five years, though. But they'll be most of the people with no record in first offense. You caught with like a little handgun. Yeah, you know, they'll get three years.

The minimum, like if I got, if I had a gun, I'm getting three years. But if I had a drug charge or it was caught with a gun and drugs, I'm getting five. Right. You already had a drug charge. So you weren't getting less than 60 months unless you cooperate. Exactly. So my guideline was 70 to 87 months. That was with the two point reduction for playing out.

Before that, it was some higher shit. So, yeah. So actually what happened? I ended up during that time. And I came home from federal prison in 2014, and I didn't go back to Georgia. I still go back and visit. Like, every year I go back home, and I do shows. I do music and stuff like that.

And what I always wanted to do. And I didn't want their name of a snitch on me. You feel what I'm saying? So now I'm back home. I got my music going. People in my city play my music. They come to my shows and stuff. So I feel good about that.

But I moved to Pennsylvania, and I just walked away from game back. I want to get from out of it, huh? Why Pennsylvania? So while I was doing my federal time, my mom and dad got a final divorce. And my mom is originally from here. So when my dad divorced, she moved here. But my brothers, my dad, my kids, everybody is still in Georgia. I just knew that if I came home around those same people in that same area,

the chances of me doing something different in my life is going to be slim, Only because when you grow up somewhere and you stay there, it, like, it forces you to be around certain people. You can't escape it. They know where you live. They're going to come to your house. And they're going to come to your job. You know, you just got to leave sometime, far where they can't come, you know what I'm saying? So I came to Pennsylvania.

And I did good for two years. That was 2014. It's 2023 now. So I've been here a long time. I did good for two years, and I went through a struggle. I ended up getting my, I ended up starting a cleaning business when I first got out of the feds. I did a cleaning business, and it did well. Me and this girl I met, we started cleaning business.

It did well. And then me and her broke up, and she hit me for everything because it was in her name, because I'm on federal probation. We got bank contracts, all this stuff, so it's in her name. We broke up, she took everything. I'm back to square one. What am I what do my stupid ass do? Let me sell some drugs in Pennsylvania.

Right. Let me sell some drugs in Pennsylvania. I tried there for about eight months. It's all it took. And a dude I was dealing with set up a control buy. And here I go with a federal violation. Federal violation, controlled by. How did that go?

What were you selling? Cocaine. cocaine. Yep. I sold this dude at eight ball, and he had got caught a day or two before. And he told this cop, this big story that this guy from Georgia is bringing out of drugs up here to Pennsylvania, like, put all this sauce on it. And they set up a controlled buy. But the plan was to make three buys on me, and then we're coming to my house and get the stash. So, but after the first buy that they got from me, I ended up going to rehab. Let me give you this last little story about how that happened. So I'm selling the drugs.

I'm going through it. My girlfriend left me. I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm going back to what I started in the beginning. I'm selling drugs. So I end up catching the case. Boom. Well, sorry.

I end up selling to a dude that's cooperating. But when I sell him to drugs, I also go piss dirty for my probation officer. I'm pissing dirty for cocaine because I'm dealing with this shit. I'm prison in my hands. it gets in your pores. So my peer, like, look, you need to go to rehab or I'm going to have to tell the judge to violate you. You keep on having cocaine in your system. And I'm like, bro, I don't get high.

He's like, I don't want to, fuck, you got to go to rehab or go back to jail. So after they get the one by for me, I go to rehab. You didn't explain to them. I'm not getting high. I'm just dealing. That wasn't, no, that wasn't the way you went? So, yeah, probation officer, I just sell drugs, sir. I don't do the shit.

No way. So it was crazy, man. This is a good, but this is a great story right here to end of the week on how that worked out for them. So I go to rehab. I don't know how I have was controlled by over my head. So I go to rehab and I get back out of jail. I mean, not jail. I was a rehab for 30 days, impatient.

I come home from rehab, and I'm driving my car two days later, and I get put over by the cops for a tail light. They put me over on my name and say, you have a warrant for your arrest for money laundering. This is what they tell me on the side of the road. I'm like, what? I'm like, nah, I just got out of rehab two days ago, and my probation, I knew I was in rehab the whole time.

He didn't mention anything about no warrants. You got the wrong guy. So he's like, I believe you. This is a weird type of warrant to have a money. He was like, I'm going to call the station and see if they want me to bring you in. So he calls them and they're like, yeah, we want him, bring him in. And I get there and they're like, it's not money laundering. You have a control of a narcotic.

You sold to a, and when I read the paperwork, it's the dude. I'm like, fuck. So here I go again. I've been on rehab two days. And I'm back in the county jail. I called my probation officer, and I say, please lift my detainer and let me make bail so I can fight this case from the street. I need a fair chance at beating this. I'm innocent.

I just want to get me a lawyer. I can't fight it from behind these walls. I don't have enough money. He was like, no, I'm not dealing with you. You are sold drugs on probation. You stand in jail and you fight from jail. So this is what happened. I'm doing time in Montgomery County facility in Pennsylvania.

and I get a cellie and he's been to the feds before and I tell him the same story I'm telling you about the controlled buy and the rehab so he was like you know your probation officer don't really run anything it's your it's your back judge he was like if you really went to rehab and you just passed it and you got the paper saying you went to rehab and you made that sell before you went to rehab write your judge and tell you had a drug problem and you went to rehab you're clean and you want to make bail and fight your case from the street I don't think for one chance in hell this is going to work. But I'm in jail.

It's a long shot. I write it. I'm on the phone with my girl maybe two weeks later. They do mail call. I get the mail and I'm looking at it and it's like court papers. But I'm thinking it's for the drug case because it's a state case. So my girl, like, read the papers. I'm like, it's just court shit.

I ain't reading that shit. I want to talk on the phone for my 15 minutes. I don't got but one phone call. I'm not going to read my mail on the phone with you. She was like, let's read it. And I looked at it. I'm like, oh, shit, it's from the feds. And I read it.

And the judge said, I grant you the motion for bail. So I went down to the federal jail for a bond hearing, and he let me go. Nice. He said, I got your letter. And he said, I see what a PO told you to go to rehab, told you to get a job, and you complied. And you didn't give him no hassles about it. You went in rehab. You got a job.

You complied. So I'm going to keep in full of the doubt. I'm going to let you bond out and fight your case from the street. And so I bailed out. And this shit was unbelievable, but it gave me an ankle monitor. But I can't lie. I'm stressing. I'm stressing because I'm guilty.

And I don't know how I'm going to beat this shit. I don't know what they got on me. So end of the day, I'm about to go to trial is what I'm about to go to trial. Fuck it. That's a mistake. because what the federal government is telling me is if you violate for this type of violation, if you get found guilty, that's three years with us, plus whatever they give you for this charge in Pennsylvania state.

Oh, damn. Okay. They're going to give me three years for that violation because I had three years on probation, federal probation that came out to my time. Yeah. So they were going to revoke all to give me all of that. Even though I only had six months left on it, that was going to give me the whole three. if I pled guilty to drug sale.

So I told the courts, I'm going to trial. And I'm really trying to pump frame them so they can give me a real low deal. I'm telling myself, like, I'll take a one to three up and they ain't going to do three for the feds. But I'm really stressed to fuck out, man. So I'm telling these people, I'm going to trial, I'm going to trial. And what happened was the feds got tired of me waiting to go to trial. And at this time, I'm smoking hell of weed. I'm drinking hell of beer and I'm pissing dirty for my PO while on the leg monitor while waiting to go to trial.

And he's like, Grable, why are you getting high, bro? And I was like, listen, man, have you ever been facing five years in jail? Have you ever been facing that much time? And you know what I'm saying? I bought it like, this is some stressful shit. That's why I'm getting high. So he was like, man, you got got out to streets. So what happened was the fans got tired of.

waiting on me to go to trial, and they gave me an offer I couldn't refuse. One day, my lawyer called me and said, hey, the DA got a deal for you. He said, because you're on leg amount to you and you're doing drugs and you stressed out. He said, go get him a year and a day. Before you go to trial, before you do anything, give him a year and a day and they'll let you out federal probation. You only got six months left on it. If you go to court and get found gifts, they'll give you three years. Take a year in the day right now. And we'll let you have. You'll give you a year in the day right now. We're done with you because you're hard to supervise. We don't want no more dizzling with you.

Take this year and the day. And I thought about it for 20 minutes. I said, I'll take it. You feel me? Because now I can go wrong with this case and, you know, I could parole out of Pennsylvania or something. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't want to deal with the feds three years and that case. So I signed a waiver and I went to Hazleton FCI, 2018, where they killed Wadi Bauder.

I was there. Oh, okay. Yeah. He came, got out the bus one night. The whole compound couldn't believe it. Why he bought just here? The next morning he was dead. He didn't make it to break. I didn't know what happened. I didn't know. I didn't realize it was okay. He didn't make it to breakfast. When they went and checked his cell again, he was dead with his tongue cut out of his mouth. They locked it down for three days and I was sailed and after that, life went on.

And you were in the same facility? or, I mean, in the same prison? Yeah. I mean, wasn't he in like a pen? Yeah, so Hazleton, FCI is a complex. Okay. They got a low, medium, camp, and the pen. And you were in the pen?

I was in the medium. Okay, he was in the pen. He was in the pen. Okay, so, okay. But, you know, this is so, this is such big news that the compound knew it, he was coming. And in my mind, I'm saying he's not going to walk in population because he's, He's told on people. He's cooperated.

Right. So in my mind, like, you're not going to come on the yard of a pen and just walk around. And like, I don't think he's going to do that. So, but he does. And you know, like I know, in the federal jail to ask you, have you ever told on somebody? Do you feel safe walking around here? Do you want to be a population? You say, yes, they put you in population.

So when I said he came to population, I was like, what the fuck? And he didn't make it a day. That's crazy. They should have put him in the medium or the low. He was an old man. He was an old man. I kind of feel like it was suicide. Like he wanted him almost.

Like he, because he had to know, right? Oh, yeah. Listen, but he went to trial and the whole time during the trial, that whole trial was basically about him trying to prove that he didn't cooperate. You understand he never said he cooperated. He always, he went to trial so that he was like, prove that I cooperated. Okay.

I didn't know that. Yeah, he was saying that the FBI made it sound like he cooperated, but he never really cooperated. But it did matter. By that point, everybody already believes that. You know what I'm saying? Like, if somebody says you're a rat, even if there's no proof and other people start saying it, it's almost impossible for you to prove that that's not true. So now you're going to be fighting for the next fucking few years of your sentence, even though you're like, I didn't say anything. But some assholes said it.

Everybody else spread the rumor. and it's just impossible to get it off of you. That's one of the hardest jackets to get off your name. If somebody calls you a snitch or a rat, it's like you've got to really go find your transcripts and do all this stupid shit to prove that. And you're right. I didn't even know that he was trying to say that.

Yeah, there's a documentary on it where his lawyers are interviewed and they're saying they think that Connolly, the FBI agent, they think Connolly made it look like he was cooperating to protect him. him because he's paying him like he's paying him to keep to give him information and connelly is is getting the information by saying bulger is cooperating but most of the cooperation he connolly was taking from other people who were giving information and saying it came from bulger okay bulger always insisted that he never cooperated like he knew he was going to prison forever they were saying look we'll just give you like 30 years

And he would say, no, I want to go to trial because I want to prove at trial that I did not cooperate. Because he knew he's going. He's done. He's done. So he didn't really want to walk comfortably. Yeah, I guess he thought he was hoping that it would come out and people would understand that it wasn't true. Right. You know, whether it's true or not, I don't know.

I just know that during the trial, that was really the big reason for him to go to trial because he knew he knew he knew he's guilty. He's going to prison forever. of die in prison. But anyway, but I hear you. So they killed them that day. They lock everybody down and the whole facility. They locked that down for three days. At first we didn't know why.

But we, like, everybody knew Wadi Borgia came there because, you know, the guards and stuff. You know, Wadi Borgia just came to the pen. Yeah. We're like, oh, oh, wow, that's crazy. And then the next morning, we didn't come out for breakfast. We locked, and we don't, we're on lockdown. But six o'clock news come on.

Yeah. I watch TV in the dorm. Like, why he brought your diet and Hazleton? I was like, whoa, that's why we locked down. It's crazy. Just that quick. You know, like, I can't tell no grown person what to do because people have kids and family members.

If you want to get back home to your family, I kind of understand. It's just something I'm not willing to do because just by me going to prison, I know that a lot of people don't live comfortably when you decide to do that. A lot of people don't. Some people do. A lot of people don't. A lot of people have to be in itself by their self the whole time. They're in prison because of that.

So I just chose not to, but I don't judge people, you know. So what happened? So you got out. So after that last time, I went to the violation and all that stuff happened. By this time, I'm 30-something. And I'm looking around at all these guys who are 21, 22, and I just feel out of place. Like, I can't keep doing this shit. I'm about to be 40 years old.

But this shit just got to stop. So the last time I got out, I buckled down. I learned how to do technology. I got me a couple of YouTube channels. I monetize my Instagram. Like I said, I do music. I got to record studio that I work at. I edit content for people.

And I just decided to just, I left all that shit alone, man. People that know me from back then don't even, can't believe me right now. Like how I am now, they're like, I can't believe you. Like, I thought you was going to really be dead or in jail forever. I was dead crazy. What's your YouTube channel? It's a BMG Capo official. Oh, okay.

Yep. That's why I got it right there. You should put the at YouTube. On YouTube, Instagram is all the same, BMG Capo official at YouTube. But I also have another channel that is a faceless channel, but it's called T-T-O-M-TV, what we interview influencers.

We interviewed Charleston White crazy ass. I don't know who that is. You know Charleston White? No. The guy on the Internet, who's starting out of drama with everybody. But anyway, he's like, he's against gang members, and he's like, I hate all gang members.

Oh, I know. I love, the black guy, he's, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great. We interview him. He was on Vlad. Yeah, yeah. He's hardcore. So my other channel, T-T-O-M-T-V is my other channel, and we interviewed him.

It did well. It did, like, over 300,000 views on several clips. So it's over a million views. I did an hour interview when we made it like four different clips, and it did good, man. It's funny as hell. But, you know, I had a bunch of questions for him because he was like, I don't like rappers and gang members. So, you know, I was like, so, but yeah, so I just do content now, man.

I came across your channel because I like to see people's stories and people that have been through what I've been through. And I watch a bunch of your stories and I were like, I'm going to tell my story on Matthew Kitt channel. Do you have a TikTok? Do you do TikTok? I do have a TikTok, but I'm just not big on. I'm a bigger on Instagram. So, yeah, so TikTok, like I had a guy. in Canada, start by TikTok, right?

He contacted me. I had one before this young kid was running for me, and he just didn't seem to understand that, like, you certain things you just can't say, and he just put into the clips. Right. And then suddenly, boom, they just, they took the whole TikTok, you know,

they gave multiple warnings. You can't say, you got to edit the cursing out and all that stuff. Oh, yeah, you can't talk about guns. You can't talk about, like, it's all kinds of stuff. Right. So, well, I mean, you can and you can't. It depends.

But anyway, so then I didn't even even fuck with it for a while. Then this guy from Canada said, hey, can I run a TikTok channel for you? And I'll direct all the traffic to, you know, your YouTube channel. And he just offered his services to you. Just offered. And, you know, this is the problem. I've had people do that before. And here, you know, what happens is most of the time they just fall off.

They said they're going to do it. And two weeks later, they're like, ah, it's too much work. Right, right. They're, and they, they intend, I get it. It's not, they're not being jerks. Their intention is, you know what I just don't know what it takes to take to run people's stuff. It takes work.

Right. And I can't pay you. Like I'm like, look, I'm not paying somebody $450 a month to run a TikTok. Right. I'm just not doing it. So, um, it, you don't reminds me of, reminds me of all your buddies in prison that left that said, man, I'm going to put money on your books. I'm going to come.

I'm going to, I'm going to write your letters. I'm going to, and then he's, You get the one phone call, and you get, you might get 20 bucks one day, maybe. Maybe. Then they don't answer your phone, the phone anymore. Right. And all the stuff they were going to do, they don't do none of it. None of it.

But at the time, they meant it. Like, I always like to think that, you know, listen, like, you know, you know those guys. It's like, look, I get it and I get what you're saying, but you'll get out there. Life will take over. Yeah. You got two kids. You got a girlfriend. You got your mom needs help.

You got, and next thing is, no, you know, it's like, do I really need to be busting my ass working and sending this fucking guy in prison money? You know,

every month, like, I got bigger, I got two kids, man. Right. So I get it. So people reach out and they try and help and they just,

they don't realize what it takes and they make these huge offers. And every time I've taken people up on it, they fall short. Well, anyway, this guy in Canada, when I talked to him,

he actually like pled his case. like he was like, look, I'm in real estate. You know, I do okay, but it's dropped off dramatically. He said, I'd like to ultimately do something in social media. And I think that I could take your content and run a channel. And I'd really like to do it just to see how it goes. And I was like, okay. Like, you're not sitting there lying in me, you know, and telling me, oh, I'm going to this and that.

And he's like, look, I'll do it for six months. And in six months, if you want to pay me, great. If not, I'll just hand it over to you. So I was like, okay, he did it for about four months, took it from, started the channel, actually started two channels. One of the channels never did great. It ended up with 10,000 followers. The other one, he brought it all the way up to about 104,000, 100,000, 304,000.

We're talking about in three months. Wow. Three or four, three to four months. Then he, real estate picked up in Canada. started working more. He didn't post anything for like two weeks. And I contacted him. I said, bro, what's going on? He goes, man, I'm so sorry. Work is picked up. He said, I said, was it a matter of me, you know, do you need me money? Like, he's like, no, even if you gave me money, I just don't have the time to do it. Like, even if you paid me, I, I still have to work

this many hours to keep my job. And he said, let me just hand it back to you. So I handed over to me, took us another month. So I didn't post anything for over probably four to six weeks. We hired a guy we started posting but i can tell you right now my so by the way we've been posting for two weeks the first time we re you know and listen but let me tell you that ticot some of those videos have six million views two million views four million views it's huge like that thing went to a hundred thousand followers and i could tell when he would post a ticot that did well you could literally see my fucking you could see my my my subscribers on my YouTube channel just spike for like a week.

And then the moment it slowed down, it started dropping. So, oh, direct correlation, bro. Here's the thing. When he stopped for the six weeks and we started posting, the new videos we were posting, we're getting 2,000 views, 3,500 views, you know, 2,200 views for 2 weeks. Two days ago, because we posted for two days ago, the last video, 100. 150,000 views, 160,000 views.

So I don't know what happened. I think it's almost like the algorithm says, okay, he's serious again. Right, right. Start pushing. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm saying if you do do it, you know, it's, you know, it's worth it.

It took him after it took about a month before it took off, but when it did, man, come in a way, went nuts. And everybody is telling me this. You've got to go with TikToks. Leave Instagram alone for right now. Like, don't spend so much time on it. I spend a lot of time on Instagram, and they just took the reels away.

The money for reals, you can't make money. My Instagram monetized. So everybody's saying, bro, go to TikTok. It'll boost your YouTube. I'm going to have to go there, man. But like, how does he edit the content? Like, does he put a twist on it? Does he just do it?

How do your interviews? Like, what does he do? Yeah, he'll try and make like a story, take a story and shove it into one minute because we also put them on shorts and Instagram. But, you know, what are shorts going to? get, you know, 2,500 views, 6,000 views, maybe. Right. You know, most of them are 2 or 3,000.

Instagram, if it does really well, maybe it gets 50,000, 30,000. That's not, that's nothing compared to TikTok. The reason I took YouTube seriously again, because I was just on Instagram and I was just running to my other page with the interviews, because that, we did, we actually made a couple thousand dollars a month on it, on the, on the, on the, on the, the judge that dude, I interviewed that page I interviewed different people who's in the hip hop industry, but not rappers, though, but like who got the stories. But we made a decent money on that page.

But this BMG Capital Official page, I had 300 subscribers, 300 in December last year. I posted, first I was watching a podcast and somebody said, hey, you want to grow your YouTube channel, use shorts. Shorts is the best way to get to a lot of traffic and quit. So the first shot I made, I thought I watched that, it went viral. I thought it was regular. Like, I'm like, what? This is this what shorts do? Like, the first shot I made did a half a million views.

Wow. 700 shares, 18,000 likes type 1,000 subscribers from that one short. Yeah, I don't have nothing like that. I posted another short, but it's not, but it's not my own content. I just cover the story of these rappers and I just put the pictures of them from different places and I put the story together like you said in one minute with a hook. You know, this is Gucci, man. This is what he did.

He's going to go do this. And I did that twice and then went viral. And those two clips got my channel from 300 to like 2,800 subscribers of those two clips. So I know the power of it, especially like TikTok is bigger too. but like right now I'm at like almost 5,000 so I'm trying to get what you are though on YouTube yeah but you could you could tell your story you know the only problem with the way you tell your story is like you know and and I kept waiting for you to do this and I should have slowed you like I'm a horrible interview bro I'm not a great interviewer um like Danny with concrete or somebody

they would have done a better job because you know I'm kind of like this listening to this story and I need to kind of try and slow you down. Like I should have asked you like, like now I'm thinking I should have said like, well, how did you know it was a cop's house? How long did you watch it? Weren't you scared? Were you, you know, like I didn't do that. And I really should.

I got to get better at this. But like if you slowly told your story in little 30 minute clips and maybe you fill it up, and I mean slowly, like talk about I hit this house and then this one. And then that's it. That's the whole clip. spread it out over 20, 30 minutes, post it. You did that for 10 until you get all the way to where you are. Let's say 10 short videos.

Then you started just interview other guys, other hip-hop guys and their stories. And just put, it doesn't even matter if it's really a shitty video. What's most important is the sound quality. Because people will watch shitty video with good sound quality, but they will not watch great video. videos, great video quality with shitty audio. They won't do it. So it doesn't matter if your, if your camera's messed up and it's not high quality and

it's cocky, that doesn't matter. What matters is get decent sound quality and just interview other hip hop guys that are like starting out and post it on YouTube and make little shorts about it and put it on TikTok. TikTok will drive the traffic. And then once you get to 10,000 followers, you can put a link. And then they just hit the link and it brings them straight to your YouTube. Oh, cool.

Because trust me, once he put that link on there, and I have a link tree because it'll, you know, you go to link tree. And then you can either go to YouTube, you go to here. But regardless, once you do that, man, you come telling you right now, you can see it. And every once in a while, you're going to get some clip of some guy that's blowing up and you can use their music. They'll do it because you can say, man, I want to. tell the clip with your music in the background. These guys will line up to do that. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

You can do it from your house just like this with Stream Yard. That's cool. Yeah, I got to get Stream Yard. I like Stream Yard. I think it's like 30 bucks. It's nothing. It's like 20 or 30 bucks a month or something. Okay, cool, cool.

It's totally working. You're on your way to getting your plaque, man. You too, going to send you a plaque soon, man. You get that 100,000. I'm telling you, I'm Shadow Band. I'm Shadow Band. I think I'm shadow band Like everybody says man

Why is it like it's been two years You should have 100,000 200,000 Your videos should get And they're just not I don't know why I mean I don't know But I mean I'm look like here's the thing I don't care if it takes another two years

Like I like doing it It's just now at the point where it's paying my bills Pretty much not great Like I have to do other stuff But a few more months Six months from now It'll pay all my bills When that happens

I'll double down. And I won't be doing three interviews a week. I'll be doing four and five. And then it'll blow up. There you go. I have time. Like, you know, like this is, it's the fact that I'm doing this and they're paying me money. Yeah.

It's ridiculous. Yeah. You know laying in your bunk in prison, you're like, how am I going to make a living? Right. Right. You know, like how am I even going to get by? So the idea that I'm living in a nice house, I have a new car, I actually have a new house. Like, this house was built a couple years ago.

Does your TikTok make money too? Huh? Does your TikTok make money? I never monetized it because the guy in Canada told me don't monetize it. He said, you're, it, and look, it could have been his opinion. Well, it might have been his opinion. I don't know. I just said you're not going to try to stop it from making money?

Like, they're not going to let it get buried? Like, what did he say? He said they won't push your content as much or they'll slow it down. I believe that. I believe that. Look, on YouTube, I make reels. I mean, on Instagram, I make reals. I'm monetized.

Some of them I get to 5,000,000, views and they'll just slow down. But I look at this page over here that's not monetized. He's real to go 80,000, 100K, but they're not. So I really feel like on those, you TikTok, Instagram, if you're monetized, they don't to pay you that much money so they're not going to push your shit to just you know it's the it's the content that's not my entire that they probably just push I don't know that what it seems like it could not be true but it seems like it makes sense to me but you could make money off TikTok but you can try it well listen the money you got enough you got enough followers now to do so the money on TikTok

and the money in comparison to YouTube is there's no way you're going to make the same amount of money. First of all, there's no way that a two or three minute TikTok is going to make as much as a two hour video on YouTube. You know, it's just it's, but the other, although what I've heard is you can go live, like going live on TikTok is good. People can donate and you can make money doing that. Another thing you can do on your channel too, that will help you out a lot and it will probably gets you a lot of views because you, the name of your channel is cool, true crime. I like all that. You could cover stories of guys that's in prison or out of prison, but they don't have to tell you that story.

You could just, like, cover it and do a voiceover and just have, like, images of the scene and just. I know you're talking about it. Yeah, I've seen those guys that do that. People like stuff like that. Yeah, but, you know, that takes a long time. That's a lot of editing. Like, that's a lot.

You do your own editing? Yeah. Well, not for the channel so much. Like, I do my own tick. Not my own TikTok. I do a lot of shorts and TikToks. I can do my own editing. But for the channel, I have a video editor, Colby.

Colby does all the editing for the channel. Okay, cool. I make TikToks and, you know, I make shorts every once in a while and I can edit. But you write, though, like, if you did a story for an hour, I'll take a lot of editing. But if you did maybe a 15 minutes to 20 minutes story, but that's really thrilling. with the music and I mean I'll just say just thinking of some ways you can do some different stuff where you ain't got to always do interviews so when you don't got time or just say if like even if it took him even if even if you got to pay

150 bucks to make a 30 minute good story video it'll probably do a lot of views and it won't throw off your niche right you know what I'm saying well I like doing the interviews yeah what software do you use To edit with. Yeah. Adobe. Oh, okay. But on my phone, I ain't gonna lie.

I like it on my phone better. Really? I do. I use Final Cut Pro. I just use it on my MacBook. I'm not good on a computer. I can edit some stuff on my phone or blow your mind. Yeah, I've seen guys use.

I can put the sound effects and have shit popping up when I talk. I'm good on my phone. I use like VlogStar, a vlog star, and I use Eyemovie on iPhone. I move is really easy And I use it too Yeah Yeah Actually I started

I started on the MacBook with Imovie Final Cup It's very similar Yeah My only problem was you could only stack Like two on top with Imovie And sometimes I'm stacking two Three four

Uh different Feeds but I haven't learned how to do the overlays on Imovie Like how you put You gotta figure that You gotta do that yeah i can do it on everything right uh all right i mean i i we're good are we good yeah we're good we're good i think anybody watch and really wants to hear us talk about our

youtube channel so um right right might might it's fine if they watch this far they probably are they're probably okay with it uh we're good we're good man um for sure and i got a bunch of home boys you make an interview soon um i got a good story coming out man um um It's a rapper. His name is T. Grisley. He's real, real famous. But he came up rapping somebody else's life that went to jail. And they're going to give me the interview from jail and prove to the world that

is a rapper in their life. It's going to be real cool. It's going to be real cool. Well, look, if you have anybody that's interested, you know, interested in telling their story, like let me know. I'll send it your way.