Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Home Invasion Gone Wrong | Hilarious Crime Stories

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

Home Invasion Gone Wrong | Hilarious Crime Stories

The car opens up. It's an SUV after a room. And I give him the sample, the back door, the truck opens up, and the gun just flies out like a long . Probably like a 223 or some shit, a rifle. Oh, get him the truck. I'm like, what the fuck? They're gonna torture me until I take them what some drugs are. Getting in the car with these guys, they got ladders to your nuts, and they just knife in your nose and type of shit, you know what I'm saying?

He's making at least 50 grand a day for three, four days a week for months. I mean, you can do it yourself, or it's pretty, pretty cheap. It's like, it's a couple hundred bucks. Like, you could forge it all and have it put the guy's name on it. If it ever, he ever gets a phone call, he's going to say, what are you talking about? At the peak of our business, we were profiting 10 grand a month. Me and her, like, it was crazy. Like, we had maybe like 15 contracts. We had employees and when everything fell down, I left with nothing. And I went through a real depression stage. And I just went back to what I knew best immediately. I'm going to go sell some drugs.

Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be doing an interview with Capo. He is a former drug dealer and gun runner, and he's got a couple of quick stories for us. So check out the interview. Thank you for having me, Matt, again. The first time I enjoyed it, you know, your audience seemed like they enjoyed it. So, yeah, I wanted to come back and share this story with y'all, man. And so this is... Because last time we kind of focused more on just the guns thing.

Yeah, we did. We just focused more on the guns. And I went to the feds for that. So this is like after the guns and I get out of the federal prison. And I'm in Pennsylvania now. And when I moved to Pennsylvania out of federal prison, I'm really trying to do the right thing. I'm trying my best to do the right thing. So I mean you don't sound like it.

I already know you already told me of the story. So I already know you couldn't have been doing the right thing. Trying my best to do the right thing. So me and my girlfriend at the time, we end up getting a cleaning business together. And that's going well. And everything is just going fine and dandy. And then the relationship gets kind of toxic.

And what happens is we end up going out separate ways and we lose the business. And now it's like reality is me again like. So I have a question. Why was it going toxic? Um, I just feel like that both of us weren't in the same space in life, like we weren't two different things. I had just got out of prison and I had just did five years and I wanted to just travel and see the world and I want to do all this stuff that she didn't want to do with all of that stuff. She had been doing those things while I was in prison.

She really wanted to just chill and settle and focus on this business. And I wanted to focus on the business too, but I had a whole lot of other things I was trying to do as well. And it caused me not to have a lot of time to be at home and stuff like that. And you know, I'm not going to lie and say that.

I cheated a couple times. I just did five years. I have no cheeks. I had no cheeks in five years. So I came home, I want to test the waters out. You know what I'm saying? So just out of that stuff, just because came too much. So we separated. And that put me in a state of depression because at the peak

of our business, we were profiting 10 grand a month apiece, me and her. Like it was crazy. Like we had maybe like 15 contracts. We had employees and shit was going good. So when everything fell down and the whole business was my idea, but I put it in her name because I was still on federal probation. Right. And we had banks law firms and you go clean at night when they closed down and stuff like that. So I had to get it to her name to get a certain contract. So when we broke up, of course it's, fuck you, this is my shit, cussie.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm keeping everything. So, like, I left with nothing and I went through a real depression stage. And I just went back to what I knew best immediately. that went i'm gonna go sell some drugs sell some guns and shit like whatever so boom i'm back in that life now um i'm in the whole new state i've been moved to presivane to change my life but now i'm back in that life and all the people that i've met recently i forgot what their drug of choice is and i make myself an asset to these people you see what i'm saying um

at this point i'm really not like a big big drug dealer but i am a big big middleman type shit like if you want four ounces of cocaine i can get it for you right now and i make me a little four hundred dollar profit and i do that a couple times a day you know i'm saying if you want three four eight bars i got you i'm not keeping anything in my house but i'm in the middle man my connecta let me come grab it drop it out bring the money back that type of shit so i got this dude i met around this time his name is noah and um i'm saying this fucking name because he's a rat but um his name is no but long story short i'm dealing with noah and um he's probably buying cocaine per day but in eight balls you know what I'm saying like four or five eight

balls a day you come through let me get two eight balls let me get another two eight balls let me get one eight but he he also middle manning shit too to his friends you know what I'm saying so um he would come up but they would give in the money he would come to me and I'm just dealing with him so um let's say this relationship goes on three months me and Noah become real real cool and um we start making more and more money and Noah could go to temple and down Philly and to the college campus and do his thing. He was a white kid. He was young. He knew all the college kids. It was like a perfect for me because I was an older black guy and I want to chill. Now I got Noah. I don't got to

go outside. Noah can handle everything. So I'm chilling. So one day Noah calls me. He said, hey man, one of my friends want to buy four and a half ounces of coat. So he never ordered anything this big before ever so immediately my flags go up so i've been saving drugs my whole life anytime somebody come and they ought to change and that big and it's like my flag go up you know what are you thinking you're thinking he got busted the cops have are trying to get me to come with a bunch of drugs to grab me is that it or what do you think what's your thought i think that he's been running his mouth to people why he's not around me bragging about what he's seen and what he can get and I think somebody is trying to really probably rob him he's a little cool nerdy-looking white kid man you know what I'm

saying like somebody will try you bro you know what I'm saying like especially for where I'm from somebody will try you like I'll try you I would try you if you came to me like out of this coat I would probably try you real just because how you look you know what I'm saying so it was like I'm like, but he does make a lot of money. So I'm like, do you know these people? No, he's like, man, this is not nobody new. I know him, no. I'm like, well, why they ain't been coming to get it

from you before today? He's like, I don't know, but I just ran across him. I see him the rest of the day. Trust me, these are my people. I know him. I'm like, all right, well, tell him, I say it is. Tell him, I said they got to show me the money. Before I even go get this stuff, they got to come and show me the money.

And like counting that before I even, I'm not going to have nothing on me. when they get here so they ain't got to be able to because i know how robbers think you feel what i know this is a i know how robbers think i used to be a robber as well so i'm like you know like you know tell them this and maybe if they are robbers they'll back off if i say this like you got to show me some money i'm not having no drugs on me you got to do all this shit to you know what i'm saying you're making as difficult as possible for them exactly like they're like they're just moved to another target this guy's he's too he's wise to us it's going to be too much of a problem. Exactly. So, um, I, so I tell him that he tells them that and they don't show up

that night. You feel me? So I'm like, okay, whatever. So that thought leaves my brain, but like, I'm like, okay, I knew there was some bullshit. They didn't show up. I told you so type shit. So a couple of days go by and, um, he caught me again. Hey, man, the same people call me. I said, bro, I already told you. He said, no, no, they said they're going to show you the money. They're going to come with the money. I said, yeah, did you tell them that I'm not going to have nothing on me when they come with the money. I'm going to count the money. Then I'm going to go get it. Because like, yeah, I told them everything. I'm like, all right, cool. Tell them to come on through then. So at this time, I live in Concha Hock in Pennsylvania, which is right

outside of King of Pressure. Um, my probation officer thinks I live in Phoenixville. Okay, What state is this? This is what? Michigan. Where are you again? Pennsylvania. Okay. Sorry. Pennsylvania. So I'm right outside of Philly. But my probation officer thinks I live in another town called Phoenixville, because that's where my mom lives at. But now that I'm back in this business, I'm not going to go live there. He can go search my house at any time. I live in another whole spot, but I'm not going to tear probation there. So they can come and search my house at any time. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm living in a little bit of my house at any time. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm living in a different location.

So I'm like, yo, tell him to come up here. And we're going to meet them on the block. They're going to show me the money and we'll make the business go down. So he was like, all right, cool. So they're on the way. One of my friends is in the house with me at the time. And he was like, man, you trust these people. I was like, not for real, but what are they going to get from me?

I ain't bringing no money outside. I ain't bringing no drugs outside. And I already told them they got to show me the business. bread he was like man it just don't sound right and he's and he's saying that because I've told him a high-ass price too like now not only am I making it difficult I gave you like the highest price it could possibly be right now you know what I'm saying so yeah so my my friend like bro I don't trust it but at this time I'm I'm hungry these might be some fools they might really do have the money and they might going to pay this high-ass price so um fuck it line it up

So he called him, and they're on the way. So me and Noah, we walk outside. We walk up to like a little cordisack in the neighborhood. We wait for the people to come. So when they ride down through the neighborhood, they ride past us first, and they keep going. So he says, that's the car right there. That's them.

I'm like, damn, why they kept going. Like, all this shit is to me, like, I've done this before. I've been a robbery before. Like, I know how to sign somebody up. I'm going to ride by and see what's going on. and who's over there like how many people is outside like they're trying to size us up for real for real but at this time i don't all the way know that i'm just speaking in hindsight so um they ride past us they turn around at the bottom of the car to say coming up the street and they park so as soon as they

part some big dude he's probably about five 11 but 220 pounds real husky motherfucker and he jumped out And he's like, yo, what's up? And so if he gets get out the truck, Noah says to me, I don't know him. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, well, he's like, yeah, that's not who called me. So at this point, while I'm trying to process what he's saying, this dude then got like real close up on me, like, yo, what's up, bro? Like, he's like almost in kissing reach of my face.

He's like, yo, what's up, bro? You got the four and a half? I'm like, yo, bro, back up. Just relax. Like, I don't, I don't got no four and a half. if i told you i don't have i didn't i didn't bring no drugs with me i don't got i ain't got shit on me and i got to see the money but i did bring a sample for you though i gave like a little tad like a little half a gram of coke i had like here take that that's what it is that's what

it looks like that's like you know what i'm saying try that out whatever but that's what it is so many money i go get it for you so when i give in the sample the back door of the car opens up it's an SUV after a SUV like burglary when i give in the sample he's he's like this close to me still and I give him the sample the back door the truck opens up and a gun just flies out like a long as private like a 223 or some shit a k or some shit like you're like give me give him the truck I'm like what the fuck and we're outside bro like in a neighborhood it's like predominantly middle-class people there's not no hood hood like this is not a yeah so this is

crazy this is like really crazy like this is like some thirsty broke i need any kind of money type shit get in the truck i know for a fact if i get inside this truck they're gonna torture me until i take them what some drugs are or tell them something you know what i'm saying like i heard these stories before you're in the crowd these guys and they got ladders to your nuts and they just fucking knife in your nose and type of shit you know what i'm saying like i know i can't get in this truck and like i told you i've been these dudes before I have. So I'm like, fuck, I got to be on my feet. I say, man, listen, the reason I told you guys that made me right here is because the dude with the drugs live right up the street. If you were to show me no money, I was going to walk up the street, go get the drug and bring it back to you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't got shit on me, bro. But if I get in this car with you and go to the dude house with the drug, he's not going to even answer the door. I'm supposed to be walking. He don't want to meet nobody. He don't want to see nobody. They're like, what? I'm like, yeah. I'm like, yeah. bro like i don't got shit i'm a middle man like the drug is up the street if y'all want to go get the drug

we can go get the drug but you ain't got to kill me and grop me in no truck like i just go get the drug like you better not be fucking playing with me i'm like no bro i'm telling the truth like i'm not the whole time man i'm making this shit up like nobody goes around here with no drugs but i can't get in this fucking truck right i know it it's it's gonna be ugly if i get in this truck so i'm like all right bro tell you man to just ride around the block we're gonna walk to the dude house Maybe we're just going to rob him. Like, all right, cool. So he tells the driver, hey, yo, spending the blocks.

The dude with the gun, man, he really fucking gets the fuck out the car. Keep the gun to my head and walk me up the sidewalk. Mind you, it's probably just now getting dark like dust. You feel, me? Like, the sun just dropped, but it's still not all the way, all the way black. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, but this is a neighborhood that no one would even pay attention to this type of shit.

shit because nothing happens in the neighborhood like nothing happens here no murders no burglary no none of that shit the whole township in pennsylvania is probably populated 12 000 people and it's like you know it's not one of those areas you want to fuck around here for real you you're going to know so uh the dude gets out the car he got the gun in my head the other dude is to the right of me the gunmen is took behind me and noa the motherfucker they got me to all this shit is beside me so we're walking and the dude with the gun says bro don't look back at me if you look back at me I'm gonna shoot you don't try to run I'm gonna shoot you don't play no games I'm gonna shoot you I'm gonna kill you right on the sidewalk and then I'll go back to

film I'm like bro I ain't playing no games like I'm not I ain't trying to look at you now it's just to go get the drugs so now while I'm walking I'm thinking like what the fuck am I about to do to get out this situation you feel me like like i don't know where the fuck i'm going i just made a whole fucking lie up and this dude really ain't bullshit so i'm like fuck so i'm like all right i think this he lives right here like i'm crazy nervous shit so i walked into somebody's yard and um i told you i lived in this neighborhood at this time but my probation officer i don't know i live in this neighborhood so i kind of know the area so i walk in somebody's yard that i could go through the backyard and hop the gate and get

in my house if I could get away. But the dude is like so close up on me, bro. And every move I make, he's like not going for none of that shit. So I'm like, hold on, let's go back here. He's like, is this the house? I'm like, no, no, this is the wrong house, wrong house. He's like, man, listen, I stop fucking playing with me. I think you fucking playing with me, right?

You keep fucking playing with me. I'm going to shoot you, bro. Like, stop playing. I'm like, no, all right, bro. Just relax, just chill. So shit, we keep walking. I told him that it's a light-skinned guy by the name of a guy. that has these drugs I made this shit up too I'm saying whatever I can say to make this

motherfucker you know so we keep walking I say fuck I'm just gonna knock on a random door and I hope it's an old white lady that come to the door and I'm just gonna be like yo save me like help like I don't know I'm gonna try to do something but I've been walking too long now they getting mad and this shit like you feel me so I got to try I got to try my move I knock on somebody's door Bro, on every kid I got, I can't make this shit up. I'm not going to random door. A light skin dude, black really opens the door.

Like, what's up? And I told these guys it's a black dude light skin with drugs. Kilos of cocaine in this house. Like, you feel me? This is a house I just free pick, knock on the door. Boom. A light skin dude answered the door. I'm like, oh, my God.

So you say, hey, Jay, what's up, man? No, they didn't get me time. And they saw him with the last thing dude. They put their pistol right in his fucking face. Get the fuck back in the house. He's like, what the fuck? They're like, they're kicking me in the house too. Get in the house.

So now they're inside the house and the dude, he's like, I feel bad for this guy. She don't know shit about shit. This you feel me? They're like, what the fucking journalist is there? What a cocaine motherfucker? We're like, what? They're like, stop fucking. So like, this shit's going down.

Like right now. I sit on the sofa in the living room why this guy is on the floor with a gun of his head. Jay, just give him the drugs. How, Jay is telling them, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Y'all, y'all are crazy?

You don't know. Are you what, I mean, you're not like, Jay, give him the drugs. Like, I don't know why Jay's being like this, you guys. No, I'm on the sofa like... I'm on the sofa waiting for my move to get the fuck out of here. I'm waiting on my move.

So I won't get killed and get away free. I don't give a fuck about Jay. I don't give a fuck about this house I've free peaked. At this point, I don't go to fuck about nobody but my life at this point. Selfish as it sounds, is how I'm feeling at this point. No, I don't know. Is anybody else in the house? Noah came in who were with me, the two robbers,

and now Jay is on the ground at gunpoint. So this guy was doing. The dude with the gun tells me. So, okay, he's, so now why Jay's at gunpoint, I look at the dude. I'm like, bro, the drugs is upstairs, like, bro. So when I do that, he take the gun off of Jake and hit me in the face with that shit.

Boom. He's like, I told you, don't fucking look at me. And now my shit's leaking. Like, I feel like the, but I sweat, feel. It feels like sweat. I know it's blood, though. I'm like, all right, bro. I don't look at you no more.

After he does that, somebody that's upstairs in the house comes down. And when they come down, they say, oh, shit. And they run back up the steps. This shit's crazy. Not to do with the gun, takes the gun off of Jay, and he goes up the steps behind that guy. And now in hindsight, that let me know that he's a professional robber.

Because he's like, okay, this guy can't go get to a gun or to the phone or to another. I got to go get this guy. You see what I'm saying? I'm like, so when the guy can't go get to a gun. When the guy came downstairs, he's like, what the fuck? He ran upstairs. Behind this dude. Now, the other dude who was with him, the big guy, he don't got a gun.

He's just a muscle, I guess. You know what I'm saying? But he don't got a gun. So now when he goes upstairs behind that guy, I look at the big dude. He's by the door like, looking at me like, the fuck you look at me for him. Like, I get up. He's like, what you're trying to do? I run right into him.

I'm talking about, like Bobby Bouchet, like, like water boys like no bullshit I run right into him it really don't work though when I run into him we're struggling he punching this shit out I got everything whenever I fight people they grab my hair like right just what you know just a normal thing to do to somebody with hair so when I run into him we're struggling he grabbed my hair he's punching the shit out of me boom boom I'm telling myself while he's hitting me I'm really talking to myself like bro if you fall right now The dude with the gun, they're going to come downstairs, see you with this dude being your ass, he's going to shoot you and kill you.

And you already set him on a whole dummy mission. They're going to kill you. So while he's hitting me, I'm like, I can't follow him, take of this shit. I just take my head and I smash my shit like that. And now he got my dreads in his fucking hand, like for real. Like, that's how hard I like get the fuck off of me type shit. I push him. When I push him, he like stumbles to the screen door.

And he hits the screen door. And that shit, like, it just magically files open. Like, it's just, boom, he just crashed through the door. That shit's open. I hurried his ass and I get up out of there. The whole time, mind you, Noah is still sitting here. Like, he could have been left the house. So I don't know if he's in on this shit or what.

I don't know it at this point. In my mind, he's in on it. Like, this shit's crazy to me. You feel me? So anyway, when a dude filed through the door, I jump over him and I run out of the house. In my head, he's chasing me in my mind. like I'm running running I don't look back for maybe two minutes when I finally look back I don't seen so I'm like fuck I'm tired of shit I think they're gonna kill me they're chasing me and they

may be to kill somebody in their house because I know drugs in there they might kill them people you feel what I'm saying so I get up under a car I got on a white hat and a white jacket I take my head out take my jacket off throw it in the bushes I get up under a car and I'm just really catching my breath and trying to come back the grips with everything is going on like I'm tired of it's fault like what the fuck it's like this shit's crazy so now while I'm under this car catching my breath I see poly lights in the sky everywhere like everywhere I'm like oh shit that the cops got alerted you know what I'm saying if I get caught under this car I'm not going to be a victim I'm going to be a suspect I can't get

caught period hiding on this car I'm bleeding I just love You know what I'm saying? So I got to leave his neighborhood. I get from my part of the car, I go get in the ditch. And it's like these, like, this neighborhood has houses that has, like, behind trees, but not like big stupid-ass trees. It's like, maybe like a few little shrubs and shit in the front to hide the crib. So I get up on the car, I'm behind the shrubs.

Every time I attempt to come out and, like, walk away or, like, leave the neighborhood, another cop car just rides by they got the light shining like they're patrolling they're looking for the people that just ran i guess you know what i'm saying like i cannot lead his neighborhood like every time my car go by i'll pop out shit another one pop out shit another one like it's so i'm like what the fuck am i going to do like how am i going to get away without going to jail man i say fuck it i really got to play the victim for real now myself i walk into the middle of just said, like, bro, I was walking out. I walked out of my house. These guys pulled up and pulled me in the car.

I didn't know what to do. Now, my mind's working like that now, but in the beginning, you got to think, this is really a drug deal going bad. I really was trying to sell drugs. So my mind is just all kind of, like, am I still guilty? But you know what I'm saying? Like, I know. But, you know, and I'm on federal probation.

I'm scared as fuck. So I'm like, I just don't know what's going to happen. Like, if I get caught. Better than not. Even if I get caught and play the victim, it's a chance I might can go to jail. Yeah. Still. Yeah.

Just because you're probation. Yeah. And the cock to just say, I don't believe you, motherfucker. Like, you had some ado shit, whatever. But it's the only chance I got right now. I'm glad you said that. So now I say, fuck it. I'm just going to play the victim.

I walk out from, I walk from behind the bushes. I go in the middle of the street. The next cop car I see, I do like this. help and I am bleeding so the cops the cops they see me they get out the car they draw down free the fuck I'm like yo I've been robbed I got kidnapped I'm bleeding they're like now fuck out of that where you coming from like I ask what you doing around here like you're selling drugs around here like what happened like now somebody just kidnapped me and told me you knock on somebody's door and I did it and they were like get the fuck out of here we don't

believe that shit somebody just fucking kidnap you and sit like on the door like on the door Like, nah, nah, you fucking trying to sell drugs around here or some shit. I'm like, no, like this is what the cops is telling me. You're like, I don't believe what the fuck you're saying. Not in this neighborhood right here. Like, you got something to do with this shit. This is what saved me, I think. I say, listen, I got kidnapped and they told me you're not going to something out of these doors.

If you don't believe me, go ask the people who housing was. They saw me at gunpoint, too. I say, go ask them. I ain't got a lot of you, man. Go ask the people who housing was. They saw me at gunpoint as well. I got rub, too. Yeah, and that guy has no idea why you were there.

He doesn't know. He knows you escaped. He knows you were in a fight. You got hit. Your dreads were pulled out. So he's like, that dude was trying to escape too. You don't know shit. But I don't know what he's going to say.

And I'm just hoping. But this is my biggest fear. My biggest fear is those guys got caught. And now everybody's stories are different. And now I'm really going to jail. Because they're going to, you feel? I don't know what they're going to say. You know what I'm saying?

I don't know what I don't know. I only want me to be the only one that's caught. I can tell myself out of this, probably. You feel me? Yeah, and Jay's going to help you. Exactly. So they take me too. I know Jay was probably like, he probably still fucked up behind that.

But he's just sitting at home eating a TV fucking dinner. Barney Miller and you come banging on his door. Yeah, I would probably never even did a drug, bro. In that neighborhood, I was living in that time, he probably never even seen a drug. And he was a younger guy, too, probably like 18, 19. I saw him around the neighborhood before like because I lived around there but like he don't know me I don't know him but I bet he was like yo so boom now the police telling me they don't believe my story so I tell them look go ask the guy so they say come with us they

put me in handcuffs they say you're not under arrest you're being detained but you're going to the station we're gonna take you down after question they come get me bro handcuff me throw him in this fucking hole in tank you know for two fucking hours before they talk to me I'm freezing cold these are the shit that the cops do to get you to just like, fuck it, where's my bunk? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, this shit will make you tell on yourself. You cold as fuck.

You're in the whole of his tank. They're like, you're going to jail. They come back and get me, and they say, all right, now tell me what happened. Take me through your whole day. And how the fuck did you get to this point? Now, this is the tricky part. I can't tell them I live in this neighborhood because if my PO finds out that I live in the neighborhood, I'm going to jail for not telling him.

I got a new address so I got to really play this shit really so they're like listen this is what this how my day was I was in this part of Pennsylvania all day long which was true which I could prove that because I was like hanging around like a pool house and shit earlier that day I'm like look I was I was over here early that day me and my girlfriend we got into it we're running around we arguing she live around she lives around here she let me out her car and I started walking and said fuck you and we got like we had a big a big fallout so you and your girl are around this neighborhood yeah she lives she lived down the street from here which was true too so uh they were like who's your girlfriend i'm like i tell her name give me her number

it's just god bro she was sleeping or cheating but she didn't know she didn't answer the phone at all for me or the cops which is a good thing because she was going to tell them probably a different story because she did not go off i live here down here she didn't drop me off you feel me so I'm like man so she answered the phone for me or the cops which is a good thing at this point so boom they questioned me I like look the girl drive me off I started walking but why don't you start walking through this neighborhood because it's a guy where the studio they live down there I rap I'm mad and depressed I'm gonna go make a song this is this is true and the cops know this guy

because he always get calls and loud noise in his neighborhood with the studio so they're like you talking about John I'm like yeah John yeah him I record music there And I was headed there. These guys pull up. They put me in the car at gunpoint and said, if not go on this door for me, we're going to kill you. That's what I did. Man, this cop asked me the same shit.

I swear to God, like five fucking time. I had to tell him the same story, five fucking times, you know. And finally, he was like, I just don't believe you. This shit don't happen in this neighborhood. This shit don't happen. I just don't believe you, but I can't. He said, but. Don't worry about it.

Those other guys, they've been caught. I'm going to go get their story. And when I come back to here, if it don't match your story, your ass going to jail. I'm like, all right, whatever, man. I'm in this bitch. I'm really, I'm sick for real that I'm even in this situation. He leave probably 30 minutes. He'd come back with some shit like this.

He's like, you see this? This is fucking statements from every fucking body who got caught. Slat on the table. They're not fucking saying what you're fucking saying. And this is my last time asking you to save yourself or you're going to fucking jail. What the fuck really happened? Because I got all these statements right here

that don't say what you say. I'm like, 30% of my brain want to believe this motherfucker at this point. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, fuck it. I already didn't lie too much now. I'm like, man, I told you the truth.

Fuck that shit. Like I already told you. He said, get the fuck out of here. I'm like, what? I call your fucking ride. Get the fuck out of here. I'm like, for real? I could go.

That, yeah, you can fucking go. He said, I tried to pin your phone because I told him that my phone got robbed, too, but what you didn't? I just didn't break my phone with me because I knew I was going to make a drug deal. And then there's like some guys I didn't know. And I knew better to leave my phone, money and all that shit. So he's like, where are you found out? I'm like, they took my phone. So he's like, I'm going to pin your phone.

And maybe we can find what those guys are at. But my phone's really at home. So he calls T-Mobile and said, look, we want to pin his phone. And they tell him no. T-Mobile, don't let him do it. T-Mobile said if you don't have a warrant, we're not going to let you do it. I was like, yes. Because they, you know what I'm saying?

12 years later, T-Mobile is still. A loyal customer. I swear to God, I love T-Move. So they let me go home, bro. But the crazy part is this. While I'm gone and I'm being. requested and running and shit, Noah has went back to my family and told him that I got into a fight with the guy. I ran outside. Then the guys ran outside and chasing me with a gun. And he ain't seeing me since. And this was probably at like 11 at 11 in the night when I got caught by the cops. It's 5 in the morning right now that I'm going home from the precinct. So my family. The guys didn't get caught? No.

Oh, okay. Just make sure. Yeah, he lied about all that shit. I'm the only one that got caught because I surrendered, you know what I'm saying? He was trying to get me to tell, because he knew I was lying, but he couldn't prove it. You know what I'm saying? You're like, you're lying, man. Like, you fucking, but he can't prove it.

I'm not lying. You know what I'm saying? And, and, motherfucking, Jay's telling you that the dude really did, he really was that he really was at gunpoint. But they think of lying about not knowing those dudes and everything. Who those dudes are? I don't know. Like, you do fucking know.

You do fucking know. You got to, you were sending them drugs or something. I don't know, I don't. So they know I'm lying about some certain shit. You know what I mean? Here's the thing. Even if I, even if I'm lying about selling drugs, obviously I still wasn't with them. We got into a fight.

Jay saw me get into a fight. Saw the hair get pulled out. Saw me run. Saw them run after me. So at the very least, he knows some of your story is correct. Some of them. You weren't with them. No, not at all.

And I told him that. So boom. So he was like, all right, just leave. And this is what he tells me before I leave. He says, this is Consia Hock in Pennsylvania. This shit never happens. No home invasion. It never happens.

He said, I don't do shit every day but twittle my thumbs because we have no crime. He said, I'm going to catch you. If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to catch you because I know you're lying about something. He said, now have a good, go ahead. Get out of here. Like, yeah, whatever, pussy, fuck you. I leave. When I get back home, my mom, my girlfriend, my brother, everybody's in the house.

Like, when I walk in the door, everybody's like, and like, run to me crying and hugged. We thought you were dead. Like this dude told us that y'all got robbed at gunpoint. You found the dude. You got chased outside with the gun, and they never heard nothing more from you. You know what I'm saying? You caught every police station.

You wasn't locked up. We thought he was dead. You see what I'm saying? So I get home, I'm bleeding and shit. I curse my girl out. Like, where the fuck you was? The whole time. He was caught in phone.

He wasn't at home. What were you doing? You cheating. But, man, fast forward. Noah, I think on my last story, I talked about this. Noah ends up getting caught on some whole other shit. He wrecked his car and get caught with drugs. And he tells the cops, I know about that only.

and shit that happened a couple of weeks ago. It was the dude from Georgia, blah, blah, blah. So it's like, oh, okay, cool. You cool with him? Yeah. Can you buy some coke from him? Yeah. Remember I told you how to see I sell in the last interview.

I skipped that part because it wasn't a part of the exact story. But yeah, this is how I ended up with the CIS sale. Noah, the college kid I mentioned, that was him. He got he got caught by the cops. on some whole other shit. He'd tell the cops about this. The home invasion, the drug deal gone bad, all that shit. And he said that he is willing to set me up for his own freedom.

So they make him, they do a control buy. They get the one eight ball from me, and I end up going to rehab. And they was trying to make more buys from me through him. But my phone is not on because I'm in rehab. You know what I'm saying? So when I leave, so when I leave rehab, I get pulled up. over. They said I got a warrant for money lauren and all that shit, but really it wasn't warrant. But if you hadn't gone to rehab, you would have gotten done more, more buy.

Bad. Yeah, I would have got three buys. And that would have been enough than to raid my house. And I would, yeah, that's all that shit was God, man. I don't know. Everything that happened was God, for real, because like, it wasn't me. I was making an out of the room. I was making an out of the road decision. I was going to keep seven. Like, even though that shit just happened, I feel like he didn't set me up for the robbery because no one knew where I actually lived at where I could have really had some drugs in. So by them robbing me and not taking me to my real house, I like, he ain't having to do with that because he was just really, you know what I'm saying? Because he could have got me in a different way. You feel me? So I'm back dealing with

Noah. So at this time, he's a fucking CI. So he called me. I sell him my eight balls. then I go to rehab. I leave rehab. I get picked up in the traffic stop. And when I get to the precinct from the traffic stop, it's that the fucking detective. He said, I told you, I was going to see you again. He said, I told you I was going to see you again. He said, your whole little story was almost true. He said, but why you ain't tell me about the white guy who was with you the whole time? And the cocaine, I was about to sell those guys. I was like, I don't know about none of that since he's talking about. He's like, yeah, well, we call him. As you can see, you know what I'm saying.

And I know your whole story is bullshit. So now you got to see yourself for cocaine and you're getting charged with home invasions. How? Tell me to sell drugs and all this old dumb shit. I'm like, yeah, all right, whatever. Yeah, none of that. Fuck, no. He booked me and he processed me without that shit.

But on my first court appearance, which is called preliminary in Pennsylvania, they threw all that shit out except the cocaine sale. And I ended up getting probation for it. But that shit was crazy, bro. Like, I really thought I was going to die that day. I was like, I ain't know where in the fuck I'm going to get in this truck. But, like, that shit could have went bad. And I kind of felt bad for putting innocent people in that shit.

But, like, what are you doing that situation? Right. Did you ever talk to the guy, you know, Jay? Oh, no. I ain't never go back to that neighborhood again. I went one more time. That next day, at like 3 in the morning to get all my shit out of that crib. and I ain't never go back to that house again.

That shit was like, that shit's spooten, for real. Because it was like, life could be just regular. Then in one second, it could just in that lifestyle, you never know, like selling drills, it's like, that's how it could be. Life could be great. Then in one second, somebody trying to rob you, kill you, to contact the door, like, they're just a life that I ain't willing to live no more, man. Like, that shit was crazy.

You don't just do, especially from the hood, you don't just do fraud i just out of nowhere you got to learn it from somewhere and the way i learn how to do fraud is it's a crazy story so i'm in the jail i'm in jail and this dude he's from down south um i'm in jail up north though so i'm from down south but i'm in jail up north so this guy comes into the dorm like yo anybody from down south here and they're like yo there's one dude here from georgia he's upstairs he got the dreads so i meet this guy and he told me that he's in jail for doing fraud. I'm like, but what do you do? He was like, well, you know, it's kind of complicated, but I take checks and I remake them and I make them to somebody else's name and I go cash him.

I'm like, oh, kind of like with the computer and the check paper. He's like, well, no, not exactly. Because, you know, some people that do fraud with checks, they just remake the whole check with the computer and the tape paper and the ink printer and all that shit. So he wasn't doing it that way, though. So he ended up becoming real cool with me and he's my celly. So one day, we're in room and he has a book and he's reading the book and he says what if i told you that i could take all the words of this page of this book and in the morning this page would be all white i'm like what the fuck are you talking about like what he's like i could take every word off of this page and this whole page would be white in the morning i'm like it i bet yeah i bet that so we bet i

go to sleep i wake up the next morning the whole page is white like no words i'm like what the fuck i'm like how you do that so he grabbed the razor blade and he turned the paste in the book and he got the razor blade and he just started carving like a weight at the words and that shit was just vanishing off the paper i'm like yo that's pretty neat bro what the fuck he like yeah i told you this that's shit crazy so but i'm still not getting why he's showing me this yet though so he i mean he's like we like this to this day so uh Like, yo, that shit's crazy. So maybe a week after that, he's like, bro, you have used to typewriter before?

I'm like, hell, that shit old school, bro. Like, I use computers. They're like, a typewriter. Like, yeah, the old typewriter, like, you know what you just type and I'm like, fuck, no, I can't use that shit. He was like, come to the, I'm la la bear with me and try to use it. I'm like, hell no. You're like, come on, get your lazy ass up. You don't ever want to get out of bed, do nothing.

What's a la la la bear with me? I'm like, all right, cool, fuck it. What's a la la la liby with him? He starts showing me how to type. He's like, look, you see that little dot right there. That's where the letter going to come out of it. So if you mess B, that little dot is where the B is going to type it. Just the line at the bottom, this is where you go.

He's showing me how the line shit up. So I'm like, yo. So then he tells me, like, bro, this is what I do with checks. I'm like, yeah. He's like, I take a check, like a real check that was made to you from your employer. If I get my hands on it, I will take their razor blade. Like I showed you in the room and print in that book, I will take a razor blade and take your name off this check.

Then put it in my typewriter and line the little perfectly and put whoever name on there I want to Who ever gonna go catch this mom? I'm like yo. That's sick. He's like yes what I'm in jail for him and he showed me his paperwork and shit and he was in jail for that shit and crazy as me. What do I do? I go home Before him and um I tell my cousin about this shit bro. I think I thought we can make some money out of checks and shit. He's like what and I'm like yeah, I know how to take a raise blade and my cousin's like all right cool so we talked about it but like we haven't pursued it so one day I'm just chilling my cousin come to my house like yo I got something for you do a check on the fucking table it's a fucking social security check um fucking statute of liberty on this motherfucking everything like a real social security check

for 1800 bucks so I'm like what the fuck he said do what you tell you're gonna do to it Mind you, I've never tried this shit before or none of this shit. I learned this shit in a cell with this dude. Get my razor. I do this shit. Clean it. I go on fucking offer up. Find me a tie writer.

Fucking 80 bucks. I drive all the jersey to get the motherfucker from Pennsylvania. I do the shit. Boom. I'm not even going to lie to you. This is ugly. Like the papers, I don't put holes in the shit. It's my first time doing this shit.

This shit's ugly. Like, I didn't scratch it so hard. That shit's white in the background. all type of shit man long story short um i went i got my home girl cc and she went in walmart because i was like you know what walmart cash checks and they're not a bank this shit is so early that a bank teller we probably look at this shit like no what i'm saying but walmart is a regular person not a bank teller they're not going to just look they're going to put it in a machine if the machine say cash it it's going to catch it the machine say don't you're not you see what

that they did. Walmart relies on the machine. Bank, I realize like to tell her. So she's going to Walmart, and the first Walmart said this, we're not going to scan it because it's kind of like ripped a little bit, and it's like, we might fuck out a machine up. Oh, we might rip the check and half and we don't want to, nah, we're not even going to scan it. So I'm like, fuck, fuck, let's go to the next Walmart.

Try out to the next Walmart. They scan it. When they scan it, she takes my phone. She was like, got it. She came outside with the money. And that fucked my life up. You know what I'm saying? That fucked my life up.

When I seen that, I'm like, oh shit, that's, yo, I could print money now for real. Like, it's crazy, you know what I'm saying? And, yeah, real quick. I went on a real quick spree real, I got caught for this. That's why I don't mind talking about it. I went on a real quick spree real quick.

I did that first one, I went to hitting mailboxes. Fuck it. Right. I went to hit mail boxes. or business mail boxes, though, not personal mail boxes. It's like, if you live in Florida or Georgia or Virginia, somewhere southern, you still see real mailboxes with the red flag and you can lift, you know,

like a real mailbox at the end of a driveway type shit. Up north, not so much. You got peop boxes or the mail boxes like through the door. They open your door and throw it inside your house type shit. Downside you will see real mailbox. So I would just drive to Virginia or Jersey somewhere where the country park and I would hit business mailboxes on Sunday And business centers they have external boxes that are big the big square ones where there's bunches of people that businesses that put their money their mail in it and yeah a little center Like a crowbar breaking their shit whatever so you know what I'm saying so I'm going I'm going out and I'm hitting boxes and I'm getting cheques and now

I'm going back and I'm finding people like like and I'm really just the scorer part of my brain and activated now because it's like it's just one spot that's owned by Mexicans and just by me busting checks in there I'm realizing that every time somebody black going there they tell them it's a limit for $1,000 yet but anytime it's the Mexican going there and let them go crazy so I started finding me Mexican people like yo come on and now at this point I'm really fucking them up now because at first I would just find a check that had a good a good amount on it and just change the name when now that i found this certain spot

that likes mexico i take a check for one dollar and make it five thousand dollars just clean the whole motherfucking check with the razor it might take three hours who cares clean the whole motherfucker check and put it in my tie writer and make the whole check say another price on it and i'm going crazy and um i made a lot of money like that but this is how i end up being caught um it wasn't even for scam but i got kind of out scamming because I was still fucking with drugs I had a hotel room and I've been working out of I had tire riders in here I leave all my checks in here I'm going out I'm driving hitting checks and I'm going back to my to my room and I put

the shit together and then we'll go out and cash them so at this point it's a lot of traffic in my room so the front desk have alerted the cop like this guy have a lot of traffic for the same reason I think he's doing something suspicious so they gave the cops the right to go in my room they went in my room and they found like three or four purposes and a little bit of weed but they find 50 pills that is ianotaur what i use to cut cocaine with all right ianotal comes in powder and they come in peel form the peel for them the peel for them you can buy it right aid and they're real cheap so i guess at the time i didn't want to go to the vitamin shop and buy the powder of shit or they may have been closed or something.

So I went in the right eight and I buy the peel for them, just crunch it up, put it with the coat, and then you got your escrow of 10 grams or so. You see what I'm saying? So boom. So what happened was when I would sell the coat, motherfuckers would come to my room and see that I gnarcote a towel bottom. And they would tell me like, yo, yo, you cut this shit with that? I'm like, oh, no, that's for my diet or whatever, you know. So I just took the pills and I poured them in a bag that I had shit in before.

So now that the cops are in my room, they see this Ziplot bag with pills in it. They think it's drugs, because it's in a Ziplot bag and it's pills. So they take one and they test it. Now, the bag, the pills are in, had drugs in the two before the drugs was, you know what I'm saying?

It's just residue in this bag, I guess. So the cops take one of the pills and they test it and it comes back positive with phenol and cocaine. So they think that I have 50, fetonol and cocaine peels right here in the table. with the cops thing. So they tell, they make a little, you know, they call, whoever they call, yo, these dudes in a blue Toyota right now, he has 50,000 out here in his room, wherever he is in this town, go find that car and pull his ass over and bring his ass in. So at this time,

they're looking for my car. I'm in a check cashing parking lot with my tight rider in the car plugged into the little lighter thing like the little power star you can put it into a car put the lighter to turn to a socket I got that shit in my car bro with the tire rider in the car Minsky's in the car

I'm cleaning checks send him in there boom he busts one he come back out split the money your turn send him in there bus one come back out split the money I don't know the couch in my room doing all the other shit so while I'm doing this they find they see my car

Run down freeze God in my head. I think I'm going to jail for these texts. I don't know what's going on This search the car lock me up. I'm like oh my fucking God. I go back to jail and guess who I'm in jail with again? The same dude. You're talking about to do this. You never even got out He can get out. He ended up doing over a year and That when I met him I only had to do 90 days for a violation So when I went in for 90 days, I got back out. He still in jail doing, fighting his case. So now, now I go, I go home for what?

Four months. I'm right back in jail, four months. So now he's in there. And, um, I'm in the same dorm again with him and everything. He was like, bro, you're one of the craziest people I ever met in my fucking life. I'm like, why you say that? He's like, you really went home and tried that shit. I'm like, what, you didn't really do it?

He's like, yeah, no, I really did it, but it's rare that you tell somebody some shit like that and they really go home and really like buy a typewriter and nigga. You really, I'm like, bro, that's free money. Like, yeah, I did the shit. But long story, we sure, that was funny as hell when I went to court the first time for that shit. The DA said, Your Honor, I don't know how the fuck he's doing it. He's taking real checks and he's taking the name off it and changing the name. But it's the real check, though. And the judge is like, what do you mean?

like, huh? She's like, the person said they wrote this check. This is this, this is their real signature. But they didn't put his name on there. Right. He's figured out how to put this name on this. He's not remaking the check. He's using the exact check. And they were like, yo, it was crazy. I ended up, um, I end up getting that shit beat because it was illegal search procedure. You can't search my car for for acetyl pills. Right. So my, so while I was in jail, my lawyer is sending those pills to a lab. They came back non-reactive for any drugs so when y'all searched my car it was illegal because y'all search my car because it's drugs in my room you see what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah but it's not drugs the field test came back positive for drugs because of that bag probably had residue in it but when you test all these pills this is not drug this is a right-aid fucking dietary supplement so it was illegal searching a seizure so i end up beating that case but yeah that was my experience a little bit of fraud and this shit was crazy that was that that was that that shit like I didn't even want to sell drugs no more I learned that shit right every time three bands

one day five grand one day type shit like one check is a couple grand today you know what I'm saying like I told I remember I met a guy in in prison we were talking he's well you think I'm in prison for and I said drugs and he goes man nobody sells drugs anymore I said what I said, why, what are you here for? He said, the tax scam. He was running the tech. They called you the drop. So the drop, the drop that is when you go to some chick who maybe she's on welfare or whatever she's got, maybe she's got a job or she doesn't have a job, whatever.

Or you steal someone's information. So I, you get somebody's name, date of birth, social security number, and then you file taxes. for their tax refund before they can do it. So let's say, you know, whatever, January, February, March, you file taxes for these people. You say, hey, last year made $45,000. And my tax, you know, you say, I bought Alexis, I did this. I got five fucking kids. I got this.

And you maximize it. And they're supposed to get a tax refund for like $7,500. And then the IRS sends that money, direct deposits that money onto like, a, you know, a prepaid visa, whatever. Now they were a chime or some shit like that. A lot of this stuff, they don't even, they won't do that anymore. But 15 years ago, it went on for 10, 10, 15 years. People were going nuts.

They were filing taxes for dead people. They were going and getting some chick who has three kids, doesn't have a job. And they'd say, look, I'll give you a thousand bucks. If you'd just give me your, your social security number and your full name and I'm going to file taxes on you, you can say you didn't do it. And so he'd file taxes and say, I made, you know, she made $55,000. She's supposed to get $9,000 back. They'd put the $9,000 on the card.

They'd go pull the money out of the card, give her $1,000 and walk away with the money. And it was, it was insane. Like I know so many guys, and I don't mean like they were making good money. I mean, they were making millions of dollars. These are street guys that two years before that were selling drugs. And let's face it, you sell drugs in the hood. you make $50, $60,000, $70,000 a year, you know, but you're not making it. Really? Right.

You're not. You're making about, but like that, really like 50, $60,000 a year. If you're the elite, you probably make $200,000 a year. Right. And you're risking your life. You're risking going to jail for 20 years. The whole thing, getting shot. And these guys, these guys figured out the tax scam, which honestly, most guys that are involved in fraud or bookkeepers, they've been doing this since, like,

the 80s and 90s. But what happened was it trickled down into, you know, the, you know, the, I don't know, the projects or whatever you want to call it into the street, you know, street guys started getting locked up, going to federal prison, hooking up with these guys, you know, hearing about it, learning about it, bringing it back. And then they would tell everybody. And it would spread just like you said, you, they tell everybody else like, bro, you know, guys come to him and say, man, what are you doing?

Like it. you're driving a you're driving a damn a 50 or a hundred thousand dollar Mercedes you just open two businesses what are you doing and they're like all right bro here's what i'm doing and they tell them you know and plus you need people that irs started making it harder and harder so now i need to go to these other guys get get their social security because let's face it you could be 25 years old and you grew up in the projects and you sell drugs you don't claim taxes so they're going and they're getting their social security numbers, their names, they're doing it in their name. They're saying, look, I'll give you a thousand bucks for everybody's name and social

security number you can get me. So then they go out and start talking to their buddies, their babies, mamas, their grandparents, their buddies, their friends, their brothers, their sisters. Then they start stealing them. Then, of course, they get their girlfriends that have legitimate jobs working, doing whatever. They go into the employee files and start pulling people's you know their employment files and getting their names like it spreads quick and they're making ton of money tons of it and it goes unchecked for like a decade at least and they still would send out refund checks if you fly your taxes and ask for a check they're in a paper checkout so you still get money from out of the mailbox you know what's saying what's so funny is people would

say well i don't understand this guy's never claimed taxes so how can you or he's never like he doesn't have a job how are you filing taxes for him i'm saying he has a job i'm telling the irs yeah but the irs knows the irs doesn't know anything if the paperwork it looks correct and you say he made 75 000 he works at walmart you have walmart's tax id number you have walmart's information you put all the all of it in the irs does not know that he didn't work there and they have to give him his tax refunds now two years later they may figure out we did a review Walmart we reviewed Walmart's information it doesn't match up with yours we need that money back and then of course you just

have to say well whoa what money I never got any money because you didn't some but you gave somebody your your information he filed you might have got a thousand bucks in cash but you're not going to tell him that you're going to say I didn't do what do you don't even file taxes what are you talking about like i i don't even have a job you know right so they're like and then they look and they go yeah you don't have a job you're right god okay oh i'm i'm gonna file for um uh i'm gonna file someone stole my identity so that's it like you're off the hook guys now a lot of a lot of guys are doing the iPhone thing too now um the iPhone scam like It's not really a scam.

It's just like, you're just fucking old people credit. But like, I got a friend who would go to the mall and he would get like a homeless dude who's probably in his fucking 50s. And he'll be like, yo, come on. Go to the Apple, just go to a team over and tell him you want to get you an iPhone plan. And it would run the dude's name and shit.

And then, you know, he might even have a phone and never in his life. Or he might have, you know what I'm saying? He might have, you know, phones or you don't really need, Great, great credit to get a phone. A lot of phones. You got 600, you could probably get five lines. You know what I'm saying?

With a 620 credit score. So my homeboy to go find people old homeless dude. Hey, man, come to the mall with your ID. You get the phone in your name and I'm going to get $200. All right, cool. Dude might get five, six lines today for $300. $200 for $300 for $600. And they just go set out of our phones to run the Chinese people.

He went on the phone store, you know what I'm saying? Brand new in the box. I found out of, I got a friend that does that shit all week long. He's just going to find people who need money who are in the streets and go get phones in their name and sell all the phone. I was in prison with a guy who would get someone who had decent credit. So you've got good credit. You got a 650 or you got, let's say you got a 700 credit score. And he would open up, let's say, two corporations in your name, maybe three.

Then he would go in to, you know, I don't think it was like the Apple store. They were like Verizon or T-Mobile or something. He'd get one of them, one or two of them, they had a plan where if you had a corporation, you could get like 10 iPhones. So they go in and he says, I got a corporation. I need 10 iPhones. And we're talking to the top, you know, they're a thousand bucks a piece. They would pull his credit, say, no problem, you have perfect credit.

Here's the phones. he would take the phones he would sell the phones overseas you could sell them through i don't know whether it was ali baba who they would sell them and they'd sell them for like 500 bucks but that's still five grand and if you open up four corporations for 300 bucks a piece that's 5,000 times four so that's 20 grand right there you give the guy a couple thousand to go in and he the thing is is that they wouldn't put it on his credit when he doesn't pay they would put it against the corporations credit and if anybody ever called him he'd say what i don't own any corporations i've never been to team mobile what are you talking about they'd say yeah here's what happened he'd go oh man that's crazy i'm calling

the police he calls a police and files a stolen identity uh report and that's it he made a few thousand my buddy made 18,000 because he gave him two of the 20 you know and he's got people he's doing this he said at one point I was doing he said there was one point where several for several months he said literally three or four days a week I was having at least one or two people a day going in so he's making he's making 50 at least 50 grand a day for three four days a week for months we're going here with the own identity or identity that he's stole for them to be no no like they would go in as them with their eyes got a corporation in their name though huh yeah there's a corporation he would open up a corporation in the corporation you can open up

florida corpse for like 300 bucks i mean really if you do it yourself you i mean you can do it yourself or it's pretty cheap it's like it's a couple hundred bucks so and he's doing two or three of those but i mean let that's less than a thousand dollars to open up like three or four of them so hey listen And sometimes he said, you just make the paperwork. You could just make the paperwork for the corporation, print them out on the, on a corporate, you know, the corporate paperwork, put a tax ID number. Like you could forge it all and have it put the guy's name on it. And keep in mind, if it ever, he ever gets a phone call, he's going to say, what are you talking about? I didn't do this.

Like, corporation, you know, I, I work for AT&T. Like I didn't go into T-Mobile. I have a I have you know I have an AT&T plan or I whatever I work for Walmart what are you talking about that I don't do that I so he just denies it and it doesn't end up on his credit anyway this guy did this for half a million to a million dollars or something I forget exactly how much he barely got any time too but yeah these guys you know they get man they're just super super um creative with this stuff right like it's yeah it's especially right now there's their age like it's it's crazy right now like they're so creative right now bro

like as the economy gets worse or worse people get more and more creative oh what's talking about they they have they got bank logs now like people got your whole how much money in your account your pen number your debit card number just everything they're making fake IDs all this shit they baby necessity is the mother of invention you know people are in need they're going to get They're going to start doing all kinds of crazy shit. But I mean, like right now, I can't tell you how many people want to just lend me money. Like everybody's coming out of the woodwork.

Every credit card I have, everybody. Hey, you're pre-approved up to $30,000, up to $20,000. It's like, what's going on? Like, I'm not even asking for this money. Every day I'm bombarded. Well, for real. Yeah. So, I mean, I think banks are desperate to lend money.

And I talked to somebody the other day who, who, who, as a friend that works at a credit union and he was telling uh telling this guy he's like listen he's like we're we're we're lending money to almost anybody like we're desperately lending money at this point we got money to lend i was like what's going on that's crazy so what did you want to know about the guns you say um oh yeah yeah i was i was that story that we had talked about i always wondered like it's funny because as soon as i got off i think i was so enamored with the story that i just totally forgot to even ask but i was like how so the story was that you were robbing police officers houses you're figuring out where they

work whatever where they live then you'd go into the house but i'm saying and because you knew they had guns what i was wondering is like how do you want know where all the all the cops are living like are you going to police station and watching them or do you already you already obviously know where some police officers live but do you have people looking out for them is it like how does how does that work and how long do you watch the how long do you watch them to figure out what their schedule is because you were super you're super confident on your ability to know he's going to work a 12 hour shift his wife works a nine hour shift or an eight hours she won't be like I got a window of six hours. hours here. So, it's a small town called Millageville, Georgia, and Minnishville, Georgia, the whole county, Baldwin County population is probably 40,000. The city, 18,000 people. So it's very, very small city.

But they got their own police and all that good stuff. So what would happen is most of the times when you're like out in the suburbs or like in the country, whatever, just walking. Like we're always taking walks to the park or go play ball at a certain basketball court, and you'll see a cop car in the yard. And we're like, oh, that's a cop car. You know what I'm saying?

In the yard, like, and you're cheering the real, okay, but he lives there. Then you might's off, you know what I'm saying? We go to school with certain kids and their dad is a cop. And you get to know these things. So as you get older, you remember this stuff. It's a small town you grew growing up in.

So as you get older, you're going to be growing up in. So as you get older, You remember this stuff. And, yeah, bro, especially, like, in my neighborhood where I grew up at, I was just being in the neighborhood walking. And, like, when you're young, bro, you'll walk for a mile just to see what's out in the world. Right. He's 10, 11, 12, 13 years old, just walking. So by the time I was able to steal and knew what I was doing, I knew a cop live here, a cop lived there, a cop live here.

So then what you do is you've got to figure out their schedule. So I know that we already know the cops is 12 hours 66 shift change 66 now who lives with him? He got us a son that's in school and a wife that goes to work I know what time school's over with and I'm gonna watch his wife for maybe four days he come home from work And that's how I go and it is and then it just became What's what you do for so long people that start telling you like yo bro It's a cop live over there. That's a such a neighborhood.

You know what I'm saying? People start bringing it to you. Like, yo, bro, it's a, because they, especially motherfucker that likes guns and buy guns from you, they'll tell you, like, bro, I know it's a cop live here over there, but most of the time, it would be just a random ride by, walk past, or somebody would say something around me, and I'd be like, hmm, you know what I'm saying? That type of story, like, you know what I'm saying?

And that came for me just being a burglar of a period, because even before the cop and the guns you people are moving to my neighborhood as regular people and i walk up up street hey how you doing y'all just moving in yeah you know it's georgia people talk to people yeah y'all just moving in yeah sure uh what do you do and i'm a little innocent kid to them 14 i look like i'm probably 10 at 14 what do you do oh you know i work at this tire shop and my wife works here we just moved over here and yeah come on in bro and have a drink and I'm looking around, you got a flat screen there and a stereo here. I was one of those people, bro.

You would invite me inside. I'm scanning this shit with download images. I'm down on what you're saying. You work here, he worked there. And then when you leave and go to work, I'm in your house. I'm making breakfast. I'm drinking your liquor. I'm stealing shit.

I'm taking my time with it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I was just. Hey, Matthew, it got bad. I'm talking to the point where I was. I want to make food with it when I break in your house now like because I got time to be in here she was crazy um so quick so you're gonna you're gonna start interviewing people yeah I'm gonna start interviewing people man um I got a lot of stories I got a lot of people who I know with great stories especially been to jail and like 50 scammers robbers bank robbers yeah I know a lot of people so I'm ready to do that man because my content was was being monetized but I wasn't I didn't have a plan and like you say you got to be consistent

and you got to be in a have a certain niche just be consistent with it and I see bro when I first watch your channel I thought you had like 70 thousand subscribers we went to a hundred and something quick as fuck it's got like 151,000 like I had I had several good videos that's a couple of months though like you're just 75 a few months ago no like three months it shot up that's crazy like How do you do that? Like, it slowed down. I'll bet you over the next month, it'll probably be down to around maybe three or four thousand a month, which honestly I'm okay with. Like, listen, like, I don't expect to blow up in six months and have a million or half a million subscribers because, you know, the truth is like I like doing this.

I like talking to guys. It's slowly, you know, the money's pretty consistent. it wasn't for a year so you said the last three months you made 8,000 to 10 yeah it's it's the channel has brought in between eight to like 13 14, 14,000 dollars like every month for now it's drop it it's dropping down dramatically so it's you know that's trajectory down because we had several good videos it shot up but prior to that it was doing well and doing well was making let's say whatever five to seven or eight thousand like bro now keep in mind i'm putting out four pieces of content a month i mean i mean oh sorry four pieces of content a week

but you know and and think about the watchtow listen if you did i i can't tell you right now what the what the matrix are like you're you're already monetized you'll be monetized again you know i know that you got a strike but so look it's not even a strike they didn't even give me strike it's just one day I woke up and it said your content is not no longer being monetized due to reused content okay yeah because I was doing reaction videos but I wasn't doing the correct way remember when I asked you like hey let's do some reaction videos together because bro sometimes those sheds go viral and that's how you get those subscribers bursts and though you know what I'm saying that that two three

money 80 thousand subscribers shoot up and you like you say it's a good a few impactful pieces of content well let's let's say if you did if you just follow you know the newest latest crimes or fraud cases and shit like that and they might air it on CNN or 60 minutes and we could be on stream yard play the content the whole crime whatever that's the n n story and react to it during it yeah you could see what you could watch it and then have a discussion about like how it happened what because i've got the correct way to do it the correct way to do it is the whole time that you're watching it your face has to be showing through the whole thing oh right right right what i was what i was doing was to get more engagement

i would get a clip of the content without my face just like michael jackson and some shit with somebody going to watch and i'll show the clip for two three minutes you didn't stop the clip and Then go to me talking about it. Right. It's illegal. Right. If you're going to use their content, your face got to be showing through the whole time through the video or either your voice got to be talking through it the whole time. And YouTube calls it, you have to add value, you got to add value to the content.

Right. It has to basically be a new, you can use that clip within your new content, but it can't be the exact same clip. You have to do something to it. You have to alter it. They edit it to it. That's what I say. Let's say, if we're on Scream Yard and we're doing this, somebody broke into, somebody did this big scam and they got a whole documentary 45 minutes clip about it.

You can go on Screamyard and, you know, watch it for maybe 10, 15 minutes, stop it, like, oh shit, I see if this is going or he's about to do this or he's about to do that. What do you think he's about to do? Or he's about to get caught, you know, and just react to it. And a lot of time, a lot of those videos already are being in the algorithm, people would have heard of it. And it gets you a lot of good views and shit, man. Like I was making reaction videos and getting 10K,

7K views and shit, because I wasn't getting on my regular videos, but I had to take a lot of them down, because I didn't do it the right way. Me and the guy who I do reaction videos, we just did one, two days, three days ago, It did like two, three thousand videos really pretty quick. So, yeah. Well, I know what I was going.

The problem is one, you're not doing it consistently enough. You got to do it consistently. You got to, if you're going to put, do two a week, you got to do two a week from here on now. You know, and they need to be about the same length. So you need to, hey, I need, you know, I'm not, either you're going to do, like you said, 45 minutes to an hour long videos, then they all need to be 45 minutes to an hour long video. Right now. Right now I'm big on staying in my niche, but diversifying my content through the playlist.

Like, you know, like your interviews, you got playlist. So you might have all your inside true crime interviews on one playlist. Then you might got all your reaction videos on another playlist. And then you might have another playlist where you just have your shorts, because you got their shorts. Then you might have a flashback of the old. interviews certain parts on the playlist and what that is they're going to bring more some people might not like their regular interviews but they might like their reactions or some

motherfuckers might not like the reaction but they might like this but they'll bring more people to your channel who just uh just making different types of content on the same channel though in the same niche right that makes you know what I'm saying yeah I was gonna say like if you're already monetized and you started doing putting up two videos a week and they were, let's say, an hour long apiece. I'd say within six months, you'd probably be making a couple thousand dollars a month, even if they were getting five to 10,000 views per. And the thing is, like, two grand a month to do this, that's a joke.

Like, that's, and I'm in Streamyard, too, not the other stuff. Right, right, right. A lot of guys will say stuff in my comments. Like, they like it when people are in person. well you know the problem in person is this so they're like oh bro quit being cheap fly these guys in well wait a second if i if the channel makes 12 000 a month like well let's let's say it makes let's be more reasonable let's say it makes eight or eight or nine thousand a month i don't make eight or nine thousand like you know keep in mind there's colby as an you know there's an editor involved there are other people involved

like i've never seen an eight thousand dollar check like it you know by the time you know the that check gets cut to me maybe i'm getting a check for 3 000 or whatever now um so but you know that that keep mind these people are coming here to the house i have to maintain a studio i have to pay to have somebody switch the camera somebody to edit all that stuff like that but stream yard is super cheap so when people are like bro you should have flown that guy in well wait a second if the guy flew in and and admittedly if the person is in person is in person is in person person, you get about 50 to 60% more views. So, right.

So let's say a video was Streamyard, which is what the, the platform we're using right now. I'm just, I know you know that. I know you already have it. But the platform we're using right now is Streamyard. There's, there's different one. There's Riverside. There's, but so just say you're using, I like Streamyard because I feel like it's pretty simple.

So if you did one on on Streamyard and it was an hour, let's say it was an hour long. So you do it on stream yard. It's an hour long. You interview some guy and it gets 10,000 views. So it might make roughly $100. And it might be like $100 in the first for that $10,000. Now granted, people will keep watching it. So the next month, it might make 200 views.

A month after that, it might make $150. You know, in a year from now, it's making 50 views, you know, a month. It's passive income. Right, right. But it's still making it. So here's the thing. So people will yell at me and they'll say, bro, you should have flown that guy in. Right.

So let's say I flew that guy in and I flew him in and that video made, he was here so it got 60% more. It ended up getting 16,000 views. Even if he's here and it makes 160 bucks, let's face it, I had to pay, you want me to pay three or $400 to fly him in, $200 to keep him overnight in a hotel. So even if he flies in in the morning and leaves that night, you want me to spend $3 to $400 to fly him in on a video that's going to make $160. Like in what world does that make sense? I make $160.

I spend $400. So that's stupid. But keep in mind, would I rather be in the whole $250 or would I rather make $120 on using stream yard? So what I'm saying, if you just do stream yard, two videos a week, and in six months, because what happens is, of course, you make that initial month, the first push, the first, when it first comes. I ain't going to lie to you, man. I'm going to be right.

I'm going to be real honest with you. When I get back in my group, I'm going to do way more than two videos a week. Well, I know that, but I'm just saying. That's how my mind. Well, I'm not going to let me do two a week. I'm too. I'm explaining it to people. You give me a less bottle, you try to give it to me on a.

easy to read scale i'll get you yeah well so let's face it all you have to do is double that if you're doing four if you're doing four a week so probably in six months you'll be making four thousand and that's by the way that's a conservative number the truth is you're going to have a couple of videos that are going to do good and every once in a while you're going to do one that gets 200,000 views and it's going to make a couple thousand dollars and so you know what I'm saying so periodically you're going to have those and keep mind people are still watching the old ones so the more videos you you have so you might make fourth but let's say you make you might make a thousand dollars two thousand dollars a month on the videos you release that month but you're making two thousand dollars

on the videos that you released over the last six months right they're not making they're not making a hundred bucks a piece they're only making thirty dollars a month now but there's there's six months worth of them all right so that's what i'm saying like you can't say let's go keep on going and knowing right no as you keep on doing your content right and that's the only thing like the first month we're making not i mean the first sorry the first year we're making almost nothing the second year was like okay it's it's it's starting to pick up but now it's been over two and a half years and and now it's doing now it's paying all my bills yeah it's your only job now right now that's why before i was like hustling doing all these other things and this but now i'm down to where you two's almost my full-time job so you know let's face it what can you but i was telling um my my wife i was like look i know i'm on this shit a lot lately i spend a lot of time on this shit and you probably seem like i'm just but my goal is to take care of everything with youtube money i said i got to put time into it you got to be consistent you know what I'm saying so like i'm gonna take your advice though bro

i'm gonna get the interviews i'm about to start going going and you a stream yard and this is what you know the guy even if you don't know enough people you you and every guy you interview knows four or five guys yeah every guy right and for you your channel is growing bro like you you you're getting like you you you you're at 150 mark now that's talking about subscribers so what's about it happening as soon is you guys start getting a lot of offers for uh um sponsorships and sponsors to deal this like that but not only that these are people you want to fly out the people that are known are already in the world by a lot of people,

and they reach out to you and say, hey, man, I want to come to you and tell my story because you got a big audience. Those are the guys who you, okay, like a famous fucking, like a criminal who's somebody who's just, you know, just out of jail for doing some shit that the whole world knew about.

You know what I'm saying? You're the guys you want to fly out this fucking Ted Bunny were to come home or some crap, you know what I'm saying? Like a motherfucker who everybody, you know, like George Blow or some shit, like you know, Boston, you know, El Chapo,

my type of type shit. If they come home, yeah, I fly his ass to do interviews. We're gonna do a million views. You're gonna be worth it, but you're gonna fly a regular, a regular person out to do an interview, you know, like you said, you're gonna lose money like that. You gotta be a famous criminal for me to fly you in

because I know it'll be worth it. Um, all right. All right. Are we good at you, man. Cool. I talk to you soon, man. Yeah, when I get back monetized, I'm going to let you know. But I'm going to take your advice for sure.

And I appreciate it too. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I appreciate you guys watching. I hope you liked the video. We're going to go ahead and play Capo's original video after this one. So if anything you heard in this video, you're like, I don't know what he's talking about. We're going to play the other one. We're going to put it on the back of this one. So check it out.

Super funny interview. Really appreciate you guys watching. Check out the next interview. Where were you born? born. I was born in Augusta, Georgia, 1983. My mom and dad moved to Minnishville, Georgia, around about when I was, I want to say, eight years old, maybe nine. Do you have any brothers or sisters or anything like that? Yep. So I grew up with one sibling. He named is Christopher Grable, and we grew up in the same home, same mom, same dad. my dad went out and had a child out of lot with i mean out of wetlock uh he went to have a child out of wetlock and um i had another brother and um we grew up in a small town middisfield

georgia it's probably like 30 minutes south of atlanta 45 minutes south of atlanta it's um very very small town but uh it's very uh urban it's a lot of blacks uh you know georgia Georgia has a lot of blacks anyway, so I just grew up in a small town, but I did not grow up on the black side of town. I grew up on the side of town with the white kids because I was fortunate enough to have a mom and the dad and so forth. So as time goes on, my mom and dad are working a lot of hours. I'm getting a little older, so they're not home as much. So at age, like, 12 or 13s, when I started really like, let me go outside. Let me see what's going on outside, you know what I'm saying?

So that turned out kind of crazy because now that everybody in my neighborhood knows that my mom and dad is never home. So my house is, you know, the hangout house. You know, you got their friend whose house is like, go to his house. It's the cool house. His mom, dad never there. That was kind of like my house. So this is how I get into guns, but I'm going to give you a quick back story. of just how I get into the situation.

So while I'm outside hanging with my friends, I meet this dude. He says that he has a friend that has marijuana. So I'm like, all right, cool. We're going to try to smoke some weed today. At this time, I'm like 13. So the dude with marijuana lives in another neighborhood in this same little town.

So we go get the weed and we hang out for maybe 30, 40 minutes. And my mind is just blown away. Because mind you, I've been in the country, in the suburbs, my whole life. And this is my first time going to, like, a city where it's like real hoods. Like, I haven't never seen this shit before in my era, and I'm young. So my mind is blown away. Dudes outside walking around.

I'm guns and everybody smoking weed and girls walking around. And, you know, it's just, that's just you see on TV type hood environment. So I instantly was attracted to that. So I started going back over there hanging around. And it was me, two of my white friends from my neighborhood. And the dude I now met in this other neighborhood. We found a little group. We started hanging out.

Boom. So my first way of getting money was just hushling crack because that's what everybody was doing in his neighborhood that was hustling crack. So I'm like, how do you do that? Like, give me the game. You know, I want to make some money. So he's like, listen, it's simple. I'm going to give you five of these for $10 a piece.

They sell for $20 a piece on the block. All you got to do is give me $50. Go outside and make you $100. I'm 13 years old. I can't believe this shit. I went outside. lot. It should happen. It worked. I made some money. I'm like, wow, I just made $50 turn to $100. And I think that day right there is the day that, like, caused me a lot of problems for the

rest of my life. Like, up until a few years back, that day right there, like, it was so crazy to me how my mom and dad worked hard for their money. They get paid once a week. I can go outside and make $50 turn to $100 debt quick. Not thinking about the consequence. I'm just a young mind. So times going on, and I'm getting just more and more into the street life. So we started breaking in cars. And that's how my gun journey first started. We started breaking in cars. And this is in Georgia in the mid-90s.

No cameras and no iPhones and no doorbell cameras and none of that stuff going on in the mid-90s. So we really out here just going crazy. So we're finding guns. Now, in the town that I live in, the city of Millicville, Georgia, you can. You can Google this, Middysville, Georgia. It's one of the worst gang-infested cities in Georgia. It's bloods, it's Crips, it's GDs, every game in the world is in that small town.

Except, I told you, I'm not from their area. I live in the suburbs. So we're breaking in cars, we're getting all the guns. The dudes in school, like, yo, we need the gun because they gang bang. So, you know, I get known in the streets for it. selling drugs. And I have guns every now and then. So all the dudes who gang bang come to me and get their guns. So I never forget this, man. A couple years ago by and it's just, you know, breaking their cars. They turned to breaking their houses. And then

we got kind of slick with it. We're like, you know what? A cop live right there. So we're breaking the cop house. It's for sure some guns going to be in there. That's a bad idea. Crazy shit, but we're young, but we ain't even 17 yet. And like I said, cameras and all that stuff wasn't really popular back then. especially in Georgia, it's very, very poverty-stricken place, except Atlanta. Atlanta is the only, Atlanta and Savannah, maybe the only two cities in Georgia that really has some money and it's thriving. So anyway, start doing that, start breaking in cops' houses, getting their shotgun,

they're ex-D handguns, and just crazy stuff. So I'm known for that now. I'm the gun guy, and I'm the guy with whatever you want, I can get it. I never forget this man I say maybe it's 2000 now it's the year of 2000 I'm probably 18 and this is true story this is facts like we're watching set it off the movie me my brother my white friend and his brother his name is Ronnie Holder shout out Ronnie Holder he's doing life right now oh yeah he um you know some people just never leave that life alone you know so um But he's doing life right now in Georgia State Prison. So are we watching Set It Off? And we're just amazed that they really drove a truck through this bank and robbed the bank. Like, that shit was so cool to us.

And like, I can really say this. And I want to say this. All that shit I was doing back then, bro, a lot of it had to do with my intake, which was rap music and these crazy-ass movies that were coming out, Men's Society, Boys in the Hood. That shit is like bad on the child. You know what I'm saying? So my intake is like, I'm not knowing that these guys is acting and these rappers is acting. I think they're doing this shit for real that they're talking about, you feel

me? Right. So I'm doing this shit for real, you know what I'm saying? So you watching Set It Off, you're like, that shit's cool. We should just go break in the pawn shop and just get out of guns like the pawn shop. And in Georgia, most of the pawn shop sell guns because, you know, they got very lenient laws in Georgia with the kind of firearms. So you can get a fire arm in any local pawn shop or any corner. They have guns in there.

And so we're going to break in the pawn shop. We're going to drive a truck through the pawn shop at night. We're going to get out of guns and we're going to pull off, like set it off. That's what we're thinking out here. So one night we're in the room just smoking. And me, I always been like ahead of my time. Like my thinking when I always was on an adult level. Like I always thought on an adult level.

So I'm like, I'm in the room one day and I'm just putting this plan together. This is something we talked about, but we haven't put any action to it. But in my head, I'm really trying to put this plan together because I just want to do this shit. So I put the plan together. Listen, it's a 4x4 truck up the street at this used car lot. This back 2000, they still had the key box to the cars on the windows of the cars. So the car keys are actually on the side of the window of the car in a little box. It's got that little key that pops that only they got.

Yep. So you got to break into the box once you get it off the window. Exactly. So that night, I wanted to do that job because I really didn't want to drive through the pawn shop. And I made the plan. And I knew that if I did, this one part was to get the main truck, I got in, you feel me? So I went in and got the key box off the truck, took it back home with me, broke in, side of it, obviously.

And this car lot that I stole this car from was called Junior's Auto Cell. And it had like a wooden fence around it, not like metal, but it was like an old Western theme. It was like logs on top of logs to make a fence type thing. So you could like just pull that shit out the ground basically, for real. So that night came, I took the truck. I pulled it a lot out of the ground. I drove the truck off. this truck really was like a monster truck almost like it had those big ass mud tires on it

it's the perfect shit that you want to drive through a building with you feel me so uh my brother and my two friends they can't bleed their eye like yo you're fucking crazy you really got the truck i'm like what's up what we're going to do we're going to do this here to what so uh them my friend ronnie his brother and my brother they agreed to get in the truck and go do it i'm going to meet them after the robbery in another truck up the street so what happened is this they go they try to just ram the door one time it really didn't work that good because they scared to just like give it all they got so by the time they did get into the building the cops was kind of like alerted but they got away with a whole bunch of guns assault rifles pistols glocks nine

i didn't even know they made nine millimeter rifles i didn't know they made like all these crazy shit. This is back when tech nines were popular and stuff like that. And we took a lot of that stuff. And the plan was to get the guns to this other truck that I had. And when we got to that truck, we're going to swap everything out and I'm going to burn this truck up that I just drove through the pawn shop with. It's a great idea, right? My brother's freaking out. He's like, no, you're going too far. You're going too far. I don't want no parts of that crazy. So you're going to blow the truck up. Yeah, we got to burn the truck. my brother he's bugging out so he gets out the car and just takes off running from us like y'all are crazy

i mean that's not that's no worse than already breaking in the pawn shop with the guns i mean you're already you're you're past the point in no return we passed the point in there with your prints on it we got to get rid of this truck it got too many ways to track it back to us but my brother this is first time he really never even hangs with me at this point when i'm in the streets doing what i'm doing my little brother don't really hang with me but this one time He's like, he wanted to go. So he jumped out of the truck and run. So we get away.

We really set that truck on fire, burning it up, and we get into another truck, and we drive home. My brother has gotten picked up by the cops. For what? Walking from a crime scene. Is that illegal? Black walking from a crime scene. But it's a small town.

Right. You know, it's a small town. mile town it's a young guy walking the same direction that this robbery just got called in it so um it's the true story i'm not going to say my brother's name on camera but uh they picked my brother up and he told everybody but me i mean couldn't he just said i'm just walking like it was just what are you doing i'm walking they scared him they got him and he's he's a kid man he's just turned 17 I'm 18. He's a year younger than me. You're going to jail for 10 years.

We know you did it. We have surveillance photos. There's what two people saw you get dropped off. We know. The crazy part about it. Give me Paul and Billy did it. The crazy part about it. That place, they have no cameras at all at that time. Yeah.

I know that, but your brother doesn't know, you know, there was a camera on the McDonald's across the street. We got another one on the, you know, they just lie to you. and you just start telling so we get back home and we got bulletproof vests we got guns we got all this shit and like my heart my adrenaline from the pawn shop from the pawn shop okay they sell uniforms for cops equipment it's like a it's a it's a pawn shop slash gun store okay but if anybody who's watching it's from georgia they can voucher like y'all seen those it's it's a pawn shop slash gun store

in the same business. I'm in Florida. They sell guns in all the pawn shops. They all got guns. They'll buy pretty much anything that they think they can sell. So it was that kind of set up, but it was also like police friendly. They had like uniforms and vests and tactical shit.

So we get back home and we're not even thinking about my brother at this point. We kind of put this shit up in safe places. We pick what we want. You get this. You get that long story short. So now we send back chilling and smoke. Like, hold on. What the fuck?

my brother had. So I'm tripping out now with my brother at. So my two homeboys with the other truck, they were like, we're trying to go find him. I'm like, man, I ain't getting back in that truck with y'all tonight. That shit is just not going to happen. Like, no, I don't think we should go back out there.

They're like, man, it's your brother, man. This might be, we got to go find him. I'm like, y'all go find him, bro. I'm going to cheer right here. Like, they leave, not knowing that my brother has been picked up. And he told them that. And he told them that I'll be with two other white guys.

So wait a second. He said they kicked. Go ahead. Okay, look, I'm saying, isn't the truck fucked up? How are they, you still driving the truck? It's not damaged? You remember, I said, the truck that we drove, we switched out to another truck. Oh, okay.

I missed that. Sorry, I missed that. Go ahead. We burned that truck up. Yeah, I thought you hadn't burned the truck yet. Yeah. All you said was your brother got, he got out and got picked up. I thought you guys were still driving around the same.

Okay, I was moving too fast. Sorry, go ahead. So when my brother got out and ran, we just went on with the operation. We had another truck set up somewhere where I was in the other truck. Right. They come back to me like your brother, he piled ass on us. He didn't want no more. So when they get back to me and the other truck, my brother's not with us no more.

He's walking. Boom. Now we switch trucks. We lead that truck in like a wooded area. We set it on fire. We get in this truck, go back to my mom's house. Okay. Because they're looking for the race.

truck probably, you feel me? So we go back to my mom house. And when we get there, we separate things, split stuff up, you know what I'm saying? And after we're chilling for a little while, we're like, what the fuck my brother at? So they want to go find him. I don't.

I'm scared of shit still. I just can't believe I just did this crazy ass shit. And at this point, you hear the sirens, you hear the police cars, you see the light. Like, this shit was like, this is no lie, bro. The worst idea ever. it was like a half a mile from my house where we did this at right so out you see all the

action going towards that way I'm like no way I'm going to find him right now so they want to go find him and I guess they also want to go take their guns home that they got out the deal so when they leave they don't know that my brother's been picked up yep he's been picked up and he told him that two white guys kidnap him and made him rob a store with them stupidest shit ever. Okay. I'm sure the cops didn't believe that. They didn't believe that.

They didn't. Fuck, no. So, uh, that night, nobody came back to me. I'm like, what the fuck? And I'm too young to, like, I'm not about to call around to the jails and shit. I'm just like, I feel like something bad having, but I don't know. And we were young, so I'm like, what the fuck? Like, so I'm probably that next morning, like, 9 o'clock.

cops come to my house, knock on the door. They try to get me to tell them something. They know for sure, but you know something. Everybody left your house last night. We know that. They went to rob this store. You wasn't with them. We know that, but you got to know what the guns are.

You got to know something. I don't know shit about shit. I wasn't with them. I don't know nothing. They pressed me, take them to the station and try to scare me up. I ain't break. And luckily, my two friends, the two other brothers, they didn't tell on me.

but they're mad and cuss called on my phone like your fucking brother's a rat i'm like yo it was so uh i'm still free they write me a letter and tell me where all the other guns are i tell you bro i ain't never had no shit like that in my life like people to this day who know me for that like bro you're one crazy motherfucker like i had so many guns and so what happened was um i started i just was selling guns to everybody everybody in who all the game rival game members who needed guns i got what about what about your two the two guys like are they did they what happened to them they're in jail right now are you for that yeah well not today but in this story okay at this point they're still just in jail yeah so they

haven't been sentenced they they didn't get bond no not yet okay so so so they're in jail So both of those guys was on probation. My brother was not on probation, but he had a bond that was ridiculously high, and my mom couldn't make it. So he had to sit in jail for a while. So I started moving the guns, I'm setting the guns, and just being crazy with it. So that right there started me on, like, I want to say, like, I was branded. Like, I'm the gun guy, and they felt good to me that everybody needed me for something.

They felt good to me, so I got to keep this going. I got to figure out how to keep this going. So what happens is they get sentenced to like five years each. Plus, with Georgia, back then, Georgia gave you a sentence like this, 20 serve five. Okay. 20 serve five is a 20-year sentence. You're going to serve five, and the other 15 is on probation. 15 years of probation?

Yeah. That's how they do. trick you in Georgia. That's how to get you in trouble at all, you can go back for the whole thing, right? Yes. You know what I'm saying? But they have to, that charge, they had to give you 20 years for that charge, but you don't have to serve it in prison. You just have to get that number. You see what I'm saying? So that's 20 serve five. My brother end up getting 10 years probation. He ended up coming home. He told, you know what I'm saying? I understand. You feel me? I said, I'm not going to say his name on here, but he told.

So he ended up coming home on probation. Now, a few months go by, all the guns I had are gone, but my phone's still ringing. I'm still hungry for money. I got to keep this shit going. So eventually, at some point, I joined the gang, the Crips. Game Bang was getting more and more popular in Georgia. It was growing, it was growing. Eventually, I just got into it.

I started hanging on the other side of town more than where I grew up at this point. So now I'm just all in. I started gangbanging. And from that point, I started teaching younger members how to break in police houses. You still police guns. Specifically police? Specifically police because they got a lot of shit. Because I'm young and dumb, but I haven't been caught yet.

Yeah. You got to think about that. Yeah, so you kind of, you still think you're invincible. You still think, like, they ain't going to catch me. I'm too smart. I'm too good. Everybody that, before you go to jail, you think it can't happen to you. Yeah.

Can't happen to me. Those other guys went to jail because they're stupid. Not me. Not me. I'm making other people do it. I'm not going to do it. Yeah. You know? So, yeah.

And a lot of the neighborhood cops, they were mad about that shit, too. Because it's true. Because like I said, back then, it wasn't no doorbell camera. It wasn't no iPhones. It wasn't none of that technology. And they have a home system back then was probably kind of expensive. So I just knew to watch the cops.

I knew what shift they were. I watched your wife go to work. I know what time she comes home from work. It's a small town. I'm watching. So I know you got a six-hour window for right here. Like, this is some funny shit. It has been times that I would know my window was long

and I would break in the cop house and it cooked me some food and shit. this is real tough listen that's what makes them hate you like that's the kind of shit that makes them hate you i'm not proud of this shit you know what i'm saying i'm saying but this is the story that it's crazy um so uh man i'm doing that and um i got a lot of lot of stripes in this game because i was the guy that could get the weapons and stuff um it all started to follow down towards 2006-7. At this

point, I got a bag up. I got to back up a little bit. I end up catching a case but not for guns. It was for drugs. I caught a drug possession case. I end up going to jail. I served a couple years from 2000 to 2000, no for 2004 to 2006. I came home 2006, and that's when I tried to do that stupid shit again. And that's now, my space is out now.

You know what I'm saying? Camera phones are out now. All right. I just got out of jail. And I'm like, yo, this is crazy. So I'm back on my bullshit. I'm breaking in houses. I'm stealing police guns.

And I run across these two Mac 11s. And they had the shoulder sling gone on. They were brand new with the muzzle, the cooling, it was like the coolest shit ever and um they were for a cop and um i took the guns and um i went crazy with my camera phone the same stupid these guys on my space on my space i was the first guy to go viral and go to jail i knew a guy that i knew a guy that robbed the bank listen i knew a guy that robbed the bank laid on put the money all around them and took pictures and put it on Facebook and the bands were still on the and like the places

just got robbed like people he knew it went crazy people called the bank and said or people called the cops and said didn't a bank get robbed like yesterday like you need to look at this boom we've arrested them they had them arrested within a day or two yo that's crazy you just don't think they're going to put it together that fast you don't you don't and another thing is this people, the way my stuff went viral is because, like, I don't know. I just felt like it was a certain group of people that wanted me to go to jail because they felt like I was dangerous, bro. I was providing guns to people who were really killers, you know what I'm saying?

And like a lot of people, a lot of older people didn't like me for that because they heard about me. Like, that's that guy who getting all these guns and, you know what I'm saying? So I got two Mac 11. Oh, and the crazy part about these two Mac 11th, I had 20 clips. This cop had two Mac 11s and 20 clips loaded in his closet in his house. I guess, but this gun wasn't a fully automatic gun, so it was legal.

It was a semi-automatic gun, but it wasn't a Mac 11 for sure. And long-star shot, I put it on MySpace. I sent the pictures out, and it wasn't even two days. The cops came and got me. It wasn't even two days later. It wasn't even the cops. I'm sorry, my probation officer. Oh, did you remember of your MySpace?

My probation officer. No, I don't know if he got it from MySpace, but he just got the word. And in Georgia, I don't know about Florida, but they don't need a warrant if you're on probation. They come right in your house. So they brought him to make a stick, kind of like, you know what I'm saying? Let the P.O. search the house. You can't go wrong here. You feel me?

Yeah. So the P.O. could give consent. Exactly. So my P.O. called me. He said, hey, I'm about to do a field check. You know, just come outside and wave your hand. I just don't know. Do you still live there? That's some normal shit where he does. A field check. You pull up, say, hey, how you doing? He leave. Treat me. All right, y'all come on for the field check. He pulled up, and he started talking to me. And he never came with another guy in the car. He's the chief. He's the chief of probation. The thing you know, a police car pulls in.

car pulls in detective pulls in they put i'm like what the fuck he's like yeah man you're going to jail like uh we've been told you got guns in your house you're about to go search it so uh i'm just lock you up right now for probation violation put your hands behind you back put me in the car for probation violation shoot me away um they find the guns they find some drugs i'm on state probation um my parole officer come to the county jail maybe after me being locked up for a month and he said sign this waiver saying that you're guilty and you can just go do six months in prison and I kill your probation and then when you get done with that you have to face your new charges but you can just go do to give me six months and I took that your probation I mean you I mean

your parole I'm sorry not your parole because the other two years I did I only did like 18 months and I'd have 40 months on parole when I came home so um I caught a new charge I go do six months, he killed my parole. Boom. I gave back to the county jail. I'm happy. I'm like, yes, I'm about to make bail. I'm about to fight this gun case with all I got because there wasn't my apartment. It wasn't my house, all these things in my hair life. I'm about to beat this shit. So when I get back to the county jail, after doing my six months, the judge keeps denying my bond hearing. He's like, no, not today. I scheduled for the next week. The next week come, now, you ain't got court today. The judge put it back again. I'm like, I don't got no

parole holding me, no detainers. Why? Why? I don't have, no parole. I don't. Why? want you give me a bond so waiting for the ATF to indict you or for you to be indicted there you go so now my family's bugging out they're calling the jailed captain why my son don't got no bond u.s marshals is got to wait to see him i don't know who that is i'm like the u.s marshals fuck is that i don't think i don't know that's the federal government i'm not putting it together right now my head like the u.s marshes want to see me how old are you at this point this time, 25. Okay. Yep, I did a bid. It came home, and now I'm 25 at this point. So maybe that's, as I heard, you guys, just wanted to see me, maybe two nights later, I get a visit. They say,

Ramirez's visit is nighttime. I'm like, who the fuck? We don't even have visits at nighttime. I go into this little room, and it's a maybe middle age, a white lady in there. She's like, hi, I'm from the Federal Bureau of Investigations. Are you Ramirez? I'm like, from the FBI or the ATF? FBI. FBI? Okay. The ATF had my case, but she was just like a representative to tell me what was going on that I would be moved to another federal jail. Because this county jail, it's a small county jail. They don't hold federal inmates. So she was just somebody that I never saw her again. She just came to tell me that they picked my case up and I was going to be in federal. custody and I'll be leaving this place soon. So I'm sick now. I'm sick. I'm like the federal

the feds want me for it. I'm like yo and most of my homeboys they get fed cases to do 10, 15, 20 years. So I'm in here. I'm going through it. I'm thinking I'm going home on a bond and now I'm going to a whole other facility. So that very next night, do a day. They took me to a federal jail in Jones County, Georgia. I went in front of a judge. And he gave me a bond. He said, he gave me $2,500 cash, cash bill. And he said, only because, because I found some marijuana and they found the two Mac11s. The DA told me that we're going to drop the marijuana and you can just plead guilty to the Mac11s and we'll give you a bond and we'll work a deal with you when you go to court but if you put but he said here's

the catch to it if you plead out to the marijuana you can get the drug program and get the year after your sentence but you can't go home on belt on on the bond we don't let drug deal to go home on bond like you get a drug case with the feds they're telling me if you got a drug case we're not letting you go home but you only just take the guns and plea out of that we'll drop the weed and let you make bail but this whole time they know I'm a game member too and they want me to tell for real. But I don't know this at this point. I'm like, all right, cool. I play out to the gun if y'all drop the week. Let me go home for a little while

with my family and I come do my time. Boom. I make bail. When I make bail, my opponent, federal lawyer calls me. I never forget. Catherine Leek, she was like, hey, they want to debrief you at the courthouse. I'm like, they want to debrief me. Who? Who is they?

You know, she was like, you know, the ATF and, you know, the people who got your case, they want to talk to you about stuff. I'm like, all right, cool. I go to the courthouse. It was one of those meetings. Look, man, you only got these guns. And, you know, this dude in your neighborhood sells drug. This dude your neighborhood does this and who's your gang leader and all this old crap.

I wasn't talking to him. And so the dude was like, you know, if you ever want to help yourself out, man, you probably go do it probably about 10 years. If you talk to this, I'm about to get it down about two. So he gave me his card. Now, I would be a lie. if I said, I didn't think about it. I would be lying to you because I'm free. My kid, at this time, I got a small, small child,

and I'm like, so it's in my mind, but I know that whatever time I'm about to do is not going to be forever, and I feel like I wanted to still be an entertainer. I still wanted to do music, and I just didn't want to have a bad name from where I'm from, you know, and you can get killed. And I'm a gang member, you feel.

me. Everybody go to federal prison. So, you know what I'm saying? So I just chose to do my time. So I ended up taking 70 months. But my guideline was 70 to like 100 months or something. Like 70 to 100 months was my guideline. And I went in front of the worst judge, bro. And I really thought he gave everybody the high end. He gives everybody the high number. Like when I got my judge, the whole jail was like, yeah, you're done. He's going to give you a hundred months, which is almost 10 years. What saved me was my dad, the same guy I told you that went to college that raised me. He worked for the Department of Corrections, but on the state level, and he showed up to my court sentencing.

And he was like, you know, I worked for the Department of Corrections. And I don't agree with my son. And I hate criminals. He's a little speech. And the judge gave me 70 months. The only reason I wasn't an on-career criminal because my drug charge before that wasn't intent to deliver. It was just a possession.

So they couldn't give me an on-career criminal. It was only a 9-22G. But I mean, I got so much time because I was category six, though, because I got- I was going to say because you got to get five years, no matter what, you had to get five years. So you, but your criminal, your, um, your, um, your, um, your criminal history was already pretty high. That's why you end up getting the, with the 70 months instead of the 60.

But some people get 922 Gs and don't get five years though, but they're having, but they beat most of the people with no record, their first offense. You caught with like a little handgun. Yeah, you know, they'll get three years. The minimum, like if I got, if I had a gun, I'm getting three years. But if I had a drug charge or it was caught with the gun and drugs, I'm getting five. Right. You already had a drug charge.

So you weren't getting less than 60 months unless you cooperate. Exactly. So my guideline was 70 to 87 months. That was with the two-point reduction for playing out. Before that, it was some higher shit. So, yeah. So actually what happened, I ended up during that time. And I came home for federal prison in 2014.

And I didn't go back to Georgia. I still go back and visit. Every year I go back home and I do shows. I do music and stuff like that. And what I always wanted to do. And I didn't want their name of a snitch on me. You feel what I'm saying? So now I'm back home.

I got my music going. People in my city play my music. They come to my shows and stuff. So I feel good about that. But I moved to Pennsylvania and I just walked away from game, from game. I walked away from out of it, huh? Why Pennsylvania?

So while I was doing it, during my federal time, my mom and dad got a final divorce. And my mom is originally from here. So when her my dad divorced, she moved here. But my brothers, my dad, my kids, everybody is still in Georgia. I just knew that if I came home around those same people in that same area, the chances of me doing something different in my life is going to be slim, only because when you grow up somewhere and you stay there,

it, like, it forces you to be around certain people. and you can't escape it. They know where you at. They know where you live. They're going to come to your house, and they're going to come to your job. You know, you just got to leave sometime. Some far where they can't come, you know what I'm saying?

So I came to Pennsylvania. And I did good for two years. That was 2014. It's 2023 now. So I've been here a long time. I did good for two years. And I went through a struggle. I ended up getting my, I end up.

On July 18th, get excited. Excited for the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited. Sorry. Smurfs only did it is July 18th. We're starting a cleaning business when I first got out of the feds. I did a cleaning business.

And it did well. Me and this girl I met, we started cleaning business. It did well. And then me and her broke up and she hit me for everything. It was in her name because I'm on federal probation. We got bank contracts. this stuff so it's in her name we broke up she took everything i'm back to square one what am i what do my stupid ass do let me sell some drugs in pennsylvania right let me sell some drugs

in pennsylvania i tried that for about eight months it's all it took and um a dude i was dealing with set up a control by and here i go with a federal violation federal violation controlled by How did that go? What were you selling? Cocaine. Cocaine. Yep. I sold this dude, an eight ball, and he had got caught a day or two before.

And he told this cop, this big story that this guy from Georgia's bringing out his drugs up here to Pennsylvania, like, put all this sauce on it. And they sell up a controlled buy. But the plan was to make three buys on me, and then come into my house and get the stash. So, but after the first body they got from me, I end up going to rehab. And let me give you this, let me just give you this last little story about how that happened. So I'm selling the drugs. I'm going through it. My girlfriend left me.

I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm doing what I'm going back to what I started in the beginning. I'm selling drugs. So I end up catching the case. Boom. Well, sorry. I end up selling to a dude that's cooperating. But when I sell him to drugs, I also go piss dirty for my probation.

officer. I'm pissing dirty for cocaine because I'm dealing with this shit. I'm putting in my hands and it gets in your pores. So my PO, like, look, you need to go to rehab or I'm going to have to tell the judge to violate you. You keep on having cocaine in your system. And I'm like, bro, I don't get high. He's like, I don't want to, fuck, you got to go to rehab or go back to jail. So after they get the one by for me, I go to rehab. You didn't explain to them. I'm not getting high. I'm just dealing. That wasn't. That wasn't. No, that wasn't the way you went? So, yeah, probation officer, I just sell drugs, sir.

I don't do the shit. No way. Not that. So it was crazy, man. This is a good, but this is a great story right here to end of the week on how that worked out for them. So I go to rehab. I don't know how I have was controlled by over my head. So I go to rehab and I get back out of jail.

I mean, not rehab. I was a rehab for 30 days, inpatient. I come home from rehab and I'm driving my car two days later and I get put over by the cops for a tail light. They put me over around my name and say, you have a warrant for your arrest for money laundering. This is what they tell me on the side of the road. I'm like, what? I'm like, nah, I just got out of rehab two days ago. And my probation, I knew I was in rehab the whole time.

He didn't mention anything about no warrants. You got the wrong guy. So he's like, I believe you. because this is a weird type of warrant to have a money money he's like i'm gonna call the station and see if they want me to bring you in so he calls them and they're like yeah we want him bring him in and i get there and they're like it's not money laundering you have a control by of a narcotic you sold to a when i read the paperwork it's the dude i'm like fuck so here i go again been on rehab two days and i'm back in the county jail

um i called my probation officer and i say please lift my detainer and let me make bail so i can fight this case from the street i need a fair chance at beating this i'm innocent i just want to get me a lawyer i can't fight it from behind these walls i don't have enough money he was like nah i'm not i'm not dealing with you you are sold drugs on probation you stand in jail and you fight from jail so this is what happened i'm doing time in montgomery county facility in pennsylvania and i get a Selly, and he's been to the feds before. And I tell him the same story I'm telling you about the controlled buy and the rehab. So he was like, you know, your probation officer don't really run anything. It's your back judge. He was like, if you really went to rehab and you just passed

it and you got the paper saying you went to rehab and you made that sale before you went to to rehab, write your judge and tell him you had a drug problem and you went to rehab, you're clean, and you want to make bail and fight your case from the street. I don't think for one chance in hell this is going to work, but I'm in jail. It's a long shot. I write it. I'm on the phone with my girl maybe two weeks later. They do mail call.

I get the mail, and I'm looking at it, and it's like court papers. But I'm thinking it's for the drug case because it's a state case. So my girl, like, read the papers. I'm like, it's just court shit. I ain't reading that shit. I want to talk on the phone for my 15 minutes. I don't got but one phone call. I'm not going to read my mail on the phone with you.

She was like, let's read it. And I looked at it. I'm like, oh, shit, it's from the feds. And I read it. And the judge said, I grant you the motion for bail. So I went down to the federal jail for a bond hearing, and he let me go. Nice. He said, I got your letter.

And he said, I see what a PO told you to go to rehab, told you to get a job, and you complied. And you didn't give him no hassles about it. You went to rehab. You got a job. You complied. So I'm going to be benefited of that. I'm going to let you bond out and fight your case from the street.

And so I bailed out and this shit was unbelievable. It gave me an ankle monitor, but I can't lie. I'm stressing. I'm stressing because I'm guilty. And I don't know how I'm going to beat this shit. I don't know what they got on me. So end of the day, I'm about to go to trial is what I'm telling the courts. I'm about to go to trial.

Fuck it. That's a mistake. Because what the federal government is, is telling me is if you violate for this type of violation if you get found guilty that's three years with us plus whatever they give you for this charge in Pennsylvania state oh damn okay that's going to give me three years for that violation because i had three years on probation federal probation that came out of my time yeah so they're going to revoke i'll give me all that even though i only had six months left on it that's going to give me the whole three if i pled guilty to drug or sell

So I told the courts, I'm going to trial. And I'm really trying to pump frame them so they can give me a real low deal. I'm telling myself, like, I'll take a one to three up and then go do three for the feds. But I'm really stressed to fuck out, man. So I'm telling these people, I'm going to trial, and I'm going to trial. And what happened was the feds got tired of me waiting to go to trial. And at this time, I'm smoking hell of weed, I'm drinking hell of beer, and I'm pissing dirty from my P.O. while on the leg monitor while waiting to go to trial. And he's like,

Grable, why are you getting high, bro? And I was like, listen, man, have you ever been facing five years in jail? Have you ever been facing that much time? And you know what I'm saying? I bought, like, this is some stressful shit. That's why I'm getting high. So he was like, man, you got got out to streets. So what happened was the fans got tired of waiting on me to go to trial and they gave me an offer I couldn't refuse. One day, my lawyer comments said, the DA got a deal for you. He said, because you're on leg amounts to you and you're doing drugs and you stressed out.

He said, go get him a year and a day. Before you go to trial, before you do anything, give him a year and a day and let you out federal probation. You only got six months left on it. If you go to court and get found gifts, they'll give you three years. Take a year in the day right now, and we're done with you because you're hard to supervise.

We don't want no more distance with you. Take this year and a day. And I thought about it for 20 minutes. And I said, I'll take it. You feel me? Because now I can go wrong with this case and, you know, I could parole out of Pennsylvania or something, you know what I'm saying? But I didn't want to deal with the feds for three years and that case.

So I signed a waiver and I went to Hazleton, FCI, 2018, where they killed Wadi Bauder. I was there. Oh, okay. Yeah. He came, got out the bus one night. The whole compound couldn't believe it. Whitey Bulges is here. The next morning he was dead.

He didn't make it to break. I didn't know what happened. I didn't know. I didn't realize it was okay. He didn't make it to breakfast. When they went and checked his cell again, he was dead with his tongue cut out of his mouth. They locked this down for three days in our cell.

And after that, life went on. And you were in the same facility or, I mean, in the same prison? Yeah. I mean, wasn't he in like a pen? Yeah, so Hazarton, FCI is a complex. Okay. They got a low, medium, camp, and the pin.

And you were in the pen? I was in the medium. Okay, he was in the pen. He was in the pen. Okay, okay. But, you know, this is such big news. Then the compound knew it, he was coming. And in my mind, I'm saying he's not going to walk in population because he's

told him he's cooperated. Right. So in my mind, like, you're not going to come on the yard of a pen. and just walk around and like no i don't think he's going to do that so but he does and you know like i know in the federal jail to ask you have you ever told on somebody do you feel safe walking around here do you want to be in population you say yes they put you in population so when i said he came to population i was like what the fuck and he didn't make it a day that's crazy they should have put him in the medium or the low he was in

old man he's not an old man i kind of feel like it was suicide like he wanted him almost like he because he he had to know right oh yeah listen but he went to trial and the whole time during the trial the whole trial was basically about him trying to prove that he didn't cooperate you understand he never said he cooperated he always he went to trial so that he was like prove that i cooperated okay like i didn't know that yeah he was saying that the fbi made it sound like he cooperated but he never really cooperated. But it did matter by that point. Everybody already believes that.

You know what I'm saying? Like, if somebody says you're a rat, even if there's no proof and other people start saying it, it's almost impossible for you to prove that that's not true. So now you're going to be fighting for the next fucking few years of your sentence, even though you're like, I didn't say anything. But some assholes said it. Everybody else spread the rumor and it's just impossible to get it off of you.

That's one of the hardest jackets to get off your name. If somebody calls you a snitch or a rat, It's like you got to really go find your transcripts and do all this stupid shit to prove to prove that. And you're right. I didn't even know that he was trying to say that. Yeah, there's a documentary on it where his lawyers are interviewed and they're saying they think that Connolly, the FBI agent, they think Connolly made it look like he was cooperating to protect him because he's paying him. Like he's paying him to give him information.

and Connolly is is getting the information by saying Bulger is cooperating but most of the cooperation he Connolly was taking from other people who were giving information and saying it came from Bulger Okay Bulger always insisted that he never cooperated

like he knew he was going to prison forever they were saying look we'll just give you like 30 years and he would say no I want to go to trial because I want to prove at trial that I did not cooperate Right. Because he knew he's going. He's no he's done. He's died. So he didn't really want to walk comfortably. Yeah, I guess he thought he was hoping that it would come out and people would understand that it wasn't true. Right.

You know, whether it's true or not, I don't know. I just know that during the trial, that was really the big reason for him to go to trial. Because he knew he knew he's guilty. He's going to prison forever. He's going to die in prison. But anyway, but I hear you. So they killed him that day. They lock everyone. everybody down and the whole facility. They locked it down for three days. At first, we didn't know why. But we, like, everybody knew Wadi Borgia came there because, you know, the guards and stuff.

You know, Wadi Borgia just came to the pin. Yeah. We're like, oh, wow, that's crazy. And then the next morning, we didn't come out for breakfast. We locked, and we don't, we're on lockdown, but six o'clock news come on. Yeah. I watch TV in the dorm. Like, Wadi Borgia died at Haisleston.

I was like, whoa, that's why we locked down. It's crazy. Just that quick. You know, like, I can't tell no grown person what to do because people have kids and family members. If you want to get back home to your family, I kind of understand. It's just something that I'm not willing to do because just by me going to prison, I know that a lot of people don't live comfortably when you decide to do that. A lot of people don't.

Some people do. A lot of people don't. A lot of people have to be in their self by their self the whole time. They're in prison because of that. So I just chose not to, but I don't judge people, you know. So what happened? So you got out. So after that last time, I went to the violation and all that stuff happened.

By this time, I'm 30-something. And I'm looking around at all these guys who are 21, 22, and I just feel out of place. Like, I can't keep doing this shit. I'm about to be 40 years old. This shit just got to stop. So the last time I got out, I buckled down. I learned how to do technology. I got me a couple of YouTube channels.

I monetized my Instagram. Like I said, I do music. I got the recorder studio that I work at. I edit content for people. And I just decided to just, I left all that shit alone, man. People that know me from back then don't even, can't believe me right now. Like, how I am now, they believe, I can't believe you. Like, I thought you was going to really be dead in jail forever.

Like, I was dead crazy. What's your YouTube channel? It's a BMG Capo official. Oh, okay, it's, uh, yep, that's what I got it right there. You should put the at YouTube. On YouTube, uh, Instagram is all the same. BMG capo official, um, at YouTube. But, um, I also have another channel that is a faceless channel, but it's called T-T-O-M-T-O-M-T-V.

What we interview influencers, we interview Charleston White crazy ass. You know, you know, I don't know who that is. You know Charleston White? No. They got out on the internet, he's starting out of drama with everybody. But anyway, he's like, he's against gang members. And he's like, I hate all gang members. Oh, I know.

I love the black guy. He's, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great. We interview him. He was on Vlad. Yeah, yeah. He's hardcore. So my other channel, T-T-O-M-TV is my other channel, and we interview him.

It did well. It did well. I said it did like over 300,000 views on several clips. So it's over a million views. I did an hour interview when we made it like four different clips. And it did good, man. It's funny as hell. But, you know, I had a bunch of questions for him because he was like,

I don't like rappers and gang members. So, you know, I was like. So, but yeah, so I just do content now, man. I came across your channel because I like to see people's stories and people that have been through what I've been through. And I watch a bunch of your stories. I was like, I'm going to tell my story on Matthew Kitt Channel. Do you have a TikTok?

Do you do TikTok? I do have a TikTok, but I'm just not big on it. I'm bigger on Instagram. So yeah, so TikTok, like I had a guy in Canada start by TikTok, right? He contacted me. I had one before this young kid was running for me, and he just didn't seem to understand that like you certain things you just can't. can't say and he just putting up the clips and then and then suddenly boom they just they took

the whole TikTok you know they gave multiple warnings so then you can't say the cursing out and all that stuff yeah oh yeah you can't talk about guns you can't talk about like it's all kinds of stuff right so well I mean you can you can't it depends but anyway so then I didn't even even fuck with it for a while then this guy from Canada said hey I can I run a TikTok channel for you. And I'll direct all the traffic to, you know, your, your, uh, your YouTube channel. He just offered. He just offered. And, you know, this is the problem. I've had people do that before. And here, you know, what happens is most of the time they just fall off. They said they're going to do it in two weeks later. They're like, ah, it's too much work. Right, right.

And they, they intend, I get it. It's not, they're not being jerks. Their intention is, you know what I just don't know what it takes to run people's stuff. It takes work. Right. And I can't you like i'm like look i'm not paying somebody 450 a month to run a tick to like i'm just not doing it so um it you don't reminds me of reminds me of all your buddies in prison that left that said man i'm gonna put money on your books i'm gonna come i'm gonna i'm gonna write your letters i'm and then you get the one phone call and you get you might get 20 bucks one day might maybe maybe then they don't answer your phone on the phone anymore right and all the stuff they were going to do they don't do none of it none of it but at the time they meant it like I always like to think that

you know listen like I you know those guys it's like look I get it and I get what you're saying but you'll get out there life will take over yeah you got two two kids you got a girlfriend you got your mom needs you help you got and next thing is no you know it's like do I really need to be busting my ass working and sending this fucking guy in prison money you know every month. Like, I got bigger. I got two kids, man. Right. So, so I get it. So people reach out and they try and help and they just, they don't realize what it takes and they make these huge offers. And every time I've taken people up on it, they fall short. Well, anyway, this guy in Canada, when I talk to him, he actually like pled his case. Like he was like, look, I'm in real

estate. You know, I do okay, but it's dropped off dramatically. He said, I'd like to ultimately do something in social media. And I think that I could take your content and run a channel. And I'd really like to do it just to see how it goes. And I was like, okay. Like you're, you're not sitting there lying in me, you know, and telling me, oh, I'm going to this and that. And anyway, and he's like, look, I'll do it for six months. And in six months, if you want to pay me, great. If not, I'll just hand it over to you. So I was like, okay, he did it for about four months, took it from start of the channel, actually started two channels. One of the channels never did great. It ended up with 10,000 followers. The other one, he brought it all the way up to about 104,000, 100,000,

100,000 and 4004,000. We're talking about in three months. Wow. Three or four, three to four months. Then he, real estate picked up in Canada. He started working more. He didn't post anything for like two weeks. And I contacted him. I said, bro, what's going on? He goes, man, I'm so sorry. Work is picked up. He said, I said, was it a matter of me, you know, do you need money like he's like no even if you gave me money i just don't have the time to do it like even if you paid me i i i still have to work this many hours to keep my job and and he said let me just hand it back to you so i handed over to me took us another month so i didn't post anything for over probably four to six weeks we hired a guy we started posting but i can tell you right now my

so by the way we've been posting for two weeks the first time we re you know and listen but let me to you that TikTok, some of those videos have 6 million views, 2 million views, 4 million views. It's huge. Like that thing went to 100,000 followers. And I could tell when he would post a TikTok that did well, you could literally see my fucking, you could see my, my subscribers on my YouTube channel just spike for like a week. And then the moment it slowed down, it started dropping. Oh, direct correlation, bro. Here's the thing. When he's stop for the six weeks. So we started posting, the new videos we were posting were getting 2,000 views, 3,500 views, you know, 2,200 views for two weeks, two days ago, because we posted

for two days ago, the last video, 150,000 views, 160,000 views. So I don't know what happened. I think it's almost like the algorithm says, okay, he's serious again. Right, right. Start pushing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm saying if you do do it, you know, it's, you know, it's worth it. It took him after it took about a month before it took off, but when it did, man, coming away with nuts. And everybody is telling me this.

You've got to go with TikToks, leave Instagram alone for right now. Like, don't spend so much time on it. I spend a lot of time on Instagram, and they just took the reels away. The money for reals, you can't make money more. My Instagram monetized. So everybody's saying, bro, go to TikTok. It'll boost your YouTube. So I'm going to have to go there, man.

but like how does he edit the content like does he put a twist on it does he just do it how your interviews like what does he do yeah he'll try and make like a story take a story and shove it into one minute because we also put them on shorts and Instagram but you know what are shorts going to get you know 2,500 views 6,000 views maybe right you know most them are 2 or 3,000 Instagram if it does really well maybe it gets 50,000 30,000 that's not that's nothing compared to TikTok. The reason I took YouTube seriously again because I was just on Instagram

and I was just running to my other page with the interviews because we actually made a couple thousand dollars a month on it with charge to do I interview that page I interviewed different people who's in the hip hop industry but not rappers though but like who got the stories but we made a decent money on that page

but this BMG Capital official page I had 300 subscribers, 300 in December last year. I posted, first I was watching a podcast, and somebody said, hey, you want to grow your YouTube channel, use shorts. Shorts is the best way to get to a lot of traffic and quick. So the first short I made, I thought I watched that, it went viral. I thought it was regular, like, I'm like, what? Is this what shorts do?

Like, the first short I made did a half a million views. 700 shares, 18,000 likes, type 1,000 subscribers from that one short. Yeah, I don't have nothing like that. I posted another short, but it's not my own content. I just covered a story of these rappers, and I just put the pictures of them from different places, and I put the story together. Like you said, in one minute with a hook, you know, this is Gucci, man. This is what he did.

He's going to go do this. I did that twice and it went viral. And those two clips got my channel from 300 to like 2,800 subscribers of those two clips. So I know the power of it, especially like TikTok is bigger too. But like right now I'm at like almost 5,000. So I'm trying to get what you are though on YouTube. Yeah, but you could you could tell your story. You know, the only problem with the way you tell your story is like, you know,

and I kept waiting for you to do this. And I should have slowed you down. Like I'm a horrible interview, bro. I'm not a great interviewer. Exactly, Danny with Concrete or somebody, they would have done a better job because, you know, I'm kind of like just listening to this story and I need to kind of try and slow you down. Like I should have asked you like, like now I'm thinking I should have said like, well, how did you know it was a cop's house? How long did you watch it? Weren't you scared?

Were you, you know, like I didn't do that. And I really should. I got to get better at this. but like if you slowly told your story in little 30 minute clips and maybe you fill it up and I mean slowly like talking about I hit this house and then this one and then that's it that's the whole clip spread it out over 20 30 minutes post it you did that for 10 until you get all the way to where you are let's say 10 short videos then you started just interview other guys other hip hop guys and their stories and just put it doesn't even matter if it's really a

shitty video what's most important is the sound quality because people will watch shitty video with good sound quality but they will not watch great videos great video quality with shitty audio they won't do it so it doesn't matter if your if your cameras messed up and it's not high quality and it's cocky it don't that doesn't matter what matters is get decent sound quality and just interview other hip-hop guys that are like starting out and post it on YouTube and make little shorts about it and put it on on TikTok. TikTok will drive the traffic.

And then once you get to 10,000 followers, you can put a link. And then they just hit the link and it brings them straight to your YouTube. Oh, cool. Because trust me, once he put that link on there, and I have a link tree because it'll, you know, you go to link tree and then you can either go to YouTube, you can go to here.

but regardless once you do that man you come telling you right now you can see it and every once in a while you're going to get some clip of some guy that's blowing up and you add and you can use their music they'll do it because you can say man i want to tell the clip with your music in the background these guys will line up to do that yeah for sure for sure you can do it from your house just like this with stream yard that's cool i'm just um yeah i got to get stream yard i like stream yard i think it's like It's nothing. It's like 20 or 30 bucks a month or something. It's okay. Cool, cool. Cool. It's totally worth you. You're on your way to getting your plaque, man. You too, going to send you a plaque soon, man. You get that $100,000. I'm telling you, I'm shadow ban.

Thank you. I'm shadow band. I think I'm shadow banned. Like, everybody says, man, why is it like, it's been two years? You should have $100,000, $200,000. Your videos should get, and they're just not. I don't know why. I mean, I don't know. But I mean, I'm, look, like, here's the thing. I don't care if it takes another two years. Like, I like doing it. It's just now at the point where it's paying my bills, pretty much not great.

Like, I have to do other stuff, but a few more months, six months from now, it'll pay all my bills. When that happens, I'll double down. And I won't be doing three interviews a week. I'll be doing four and five.

And then it'll blow up. There you go. I have time. Like, you know, like this is the fact that I'm doing this and then they're paying me, money. Yeah.

It's ridiculous. Yeah. You know laying in your bunk in prison, you're like, how am I going to make a living? Right. Right. You know, like, how am I even going to get by? So the idea that I'm living in a nice house, I have a new car, I actually have a new house.

Like, this house was built a couple years ago. Does your TikTok make money too? Huh? Does your TikTok make money? I never monetized it because the guy in Kansas. Canada told me don't monetize it. He said, you're, it, and look, it, it could have been his opinion. Well, it might have been his opinion. I don't know. I just, well, he said you monetize that they're going to try to stop it from making money. Like, they're not going to let it

get big. Like, what did he say? He said they won't push your content as much or they'll slow it down. I believe that. I believe that. Look, on YouTube, I make reals. I mean, on Instagram, I make reals. I'm monetized. Some of them I get to five, 10,000 views and they're just slow down. But I look at this page over here that's not monetized. He's real to go 80,000, 100K, but they're not. So I really feel like on those, you TikTok, Instagram, if you're monetized, they don't want to pay you that much money. So they're not going to push your shit to just, you know, it's the content that's not monetized that they probably just push. That's what it seems like. It could not be true, but it seems like it makes sense to me.

But you could make money off TikTok, but you could try it. Well, listen, the money is you got enough, have you got enough followers now to do so. The money on TikTok and the money in comparison to YouTube is there's no way you're going to make the same amount of money. First of all, there's no way that a two or three minute TikTok is going to make as much as a two hour video on YouTube. You know, it's just it's, but the other, although what I've heard is you can go live, like going live on TikTok is good. people can donate and you can make money doing that. Another thing you could do on your channel, too, that will help you out a lot, and it will probably get you a lot of views because the name of your channel is cool,

true crime. I like all that. You could cover stories of guys that's in prison or out of prison, but they don't have to tell you that story. You could just, like, cover it and do a voiceover and just have, like, images of the scene and just I'm talking about it. I've seen those guys that do that. People like stuff like that.

Yeah, but, you know, that takes a long time. That's a lot of editing. Like, that's a lot. You do your own editing? Yeah, well, not for the channel so much. Like, I do my own tick, not my own TikTok. I do a lot of shorts and TikToks. I can do my own editing.

But for the channel, I have a video editor, Colby. Colby does all the editing for the channel. Oh, okay, cool. I make TikToks and, you know, I make shorts every once or one. and I can edit. But you're right, though, like, if you did a story for an hour, you'll take a lot of editing, but if you did maybe a 15 minutes, 20-minute story,

but that's really thrilling with the music. I mean, I'll just say, just thinking of some ways you can do some different stuff where you ain't got to always do interviews so when you don't got time, or just say, like, even if it took him, even if you got to pay $150,000 to make a 30-minute good story, video. It'll probably do a lot of views and it won't throw off your niche. Right. You know what I'm saying? Well, I like doing the interviews. Yeah. What software do you use? To edit with. Yeah. Adobe. Oh, okay. Mm-hmm. But on my phone,

I ain't going to lie. I like it on my phone better. Really? I do. I use Final Cut Pro. I just use it on my MacBook. I'm not good on a computer. I can edit some stuff on my phone or blow your mind. You know, I've seen guys use... I can put the sound effects and have shit popping up when I'm talking. I'm good on my phone. I use, like, vlog star, a vlog star, and I use Imovie on an iPhone. I'm in really, I move is really easy, and I use it. Yeah.

Yeah, actually, I started, I started on the MacBook with iMovie. Final Cup, it's very similar. Yeah. My only problem was you could only stack, like, two on top with IMovie, and sometimes I'm stacking two, three, four. different feeds but i haven't learned how to do the overlays on our movie like you got to figure that you got to do that yeah i can do it everything right uh all right i mean i i i we're good are we good yeah we're good i don't think anybody watch them really wants to hear us talk about our youtube channel so um right right

they might it's fine if they watched this fall are they probably are. They're probably okay with it. We're good. We're good, man. For sure. I got a bunch of home balls. You make an interview soon. I got a good story coming out, man. It's a rapper. His name is T. Grisley. He's real, real famous. But he came up rapping somebody else's life that went to jail, and they're going to give me the interview from jail and prove to the world his rapper is rapping their life. It's going to be real cool. it's gonna be real cool well look if you have anybody that's uh interested you know interested in telling their story like let me know i'll send it your way