Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - How 1% Biker Clubs Actually Work | Demons Row

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

How 1% Biker Clubs Actually Work | Demons Row

Jason Momo is a member of this club. You can't wear support gear of another club. You have to show them that you're built like that. If you're not of the caliber, you're going to get ran. I go to open the door, I see all my enemies, and I see my daughter crawling towards me. And I'm like, man, is this how I'm going to go out in front of my daughter like this? I was born in Bayamom, Puerto Rico. My mother and father, my mother ran away with my father to have me because my grandfather was, he was a beast.

like he he beat up my grandmother for years and stuff so he was like you know back in those days they were a lot more aggressive so um i was born out in puerto rico we only lived there for a year and then i moved to the bronx when i was one years old and i lived in the bronx my whole life and you know my childhood was rough i my father got caught up in crack he was laying carpets for this place called abc carpet and um he had a friend that he worked with that put him on to crack and he was just addicted. So he was gone by the time I was four, but I have very limited memories of him because the only thing I really remember is him throwing a turtle out the window one day

when he was mad at my mother. We had a turtle cubby and they had like an argument. That's the only aggressive act I ever seen him do, though. He was like a really nice guy. But he took our turtle. We lived on the fifth floor in the Bronx sat this time and he threw the turtle out the window. And I'm like, oh, my God, cubby. I'm looking down.

And he actually survived it. Turtles are like that, you know? So, but you never saw him again? You're dead? After four, I didn't see him again until I was 28. Oh, okay. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah, he just recently died a couple of weeks ago. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, we, it was weird, though, when he died, I wasn't, like, really messed up because I'd have that relationship with him, but I'm not a grudge holder. So I didn't like, I don't know. It was weird. Like, I felt a little funny. Like, I'm supposed to feel bad, but I don't feel that bad.

Not in the evil way, but just I was a little. little disconnected. So it was like a weird thing. But, you know, I got through it. But him not being around in my childhood when I was younger, my mother started to date someone else and she wound up marrying. And this dude, my stepfather, was he worked for the state facility. It's like he wasn't like a correction officer, but he worked for like the mental institution. It was called Bronx State at the time. I don't know. It probably still exists, but I don't know. But he was a really wicked dude like I used to hear him talk about you know having fun mistreating people with mental health issues you know like in Bronx State it's like an asylum so you got some crazy people in there

so you'd be like yeah we held them down we were bending his arms so I grew up hearing stuff like this and he never really gave me love he gave my sister's love but he was very hard on me and like I tell people this a lot like when I first met him he reprimanded me the first day I met him I was probably, I think I was like five years old. My mother was having a party and she was like, it's time to go to bed now. That's when they had house parties in the Bronx in the 80s. It was a crazy time. Yeah.

She would have a DJ come to the house on the weekend, move all the furniture. And we're an apartment on the fifth floor. Move all the furniture. I have all these people here. They'll have a DJ playing. This is like when house and all that stuff was going on. So the first day I bet him, I told my mom, oh, mom, I want to stay up a little bit later. And the first day, he says,

that's your mother you don't answer her back and I looked at him like I never met this dude in my life and that's who she chose to be with so he was very abusive physically like I got my ass whoop all throughout like my childhood even to the point where my aunt rest and peace that died my godmother took me out the house and I was living with her and my grandmother for a minute and over those years I wound up starting to live with my grandmother because it was just so abusive but um as a kid i got in a lot of trouble because i was in little street gangs and stuff like that little neighborhood stuff not anything organized like when i got older so you're you're staying with your your grandparents and you're in kind of like a you know a little gang but they're not

really it's not like they're pulling off you know massive burglaries or something what when did you did you start getting in trouble or anything were you doing yeah so school i mean so around the age of like 12 13 i started being in little gangs and stuff and um We would, we would, we call this shopping. Every Friday, we would go to a school and, like, rob people for stuff. Because we was poor, so we didn't have, like, the new North Face comes out. You can't get that. You can't be like, Ma, I need a North Face.

We're broke. We're in the Bronx. Like, the answer is always no. Right. So we would go out and rob people. And it was crazy the stuff that we did because we even did it, like, in the snow. We're, like, going up to people yoking them up, pulling their stuff off. Like, it's crazy how we grew up.

crazy, the stuff that we did. Yeah. How old were you? 13, 14. I'm going to tell you a funny story, too. I don't know how they allowed us. Adults allowed us. 13, 14, me and my cousin, we used to call the Chinese man.

I don't know if they do that in Florida, but in New York, it was common to rob the Chinese man. So what we would do is order a whole bunch of food because we were hungry. And like I said, we would pour. Our parents are not paying for Chinese food. That's too much, $5 or whatever it was then. But we would order all this food. And then we had these two. buildings that connected because they're apartment buildings. You know how the Bronx is. Yeah.

So on the roof, you can go to the other roof. So what we would do is we would order to the fifth floor of the next building over and we would rob them and then go up the stairs up the roof and then cross over the other roof and then go down to my friend's apartment. And then we just did eating, took a little bit of money, $50, $20 the most they had. But one day we did it. And when we came up, when the guy came up, I had, my cousin had a bat. in his hand and a mask on and he started to run down because he saw us at the top of the steps. My cousin runs way faster to me. So he runs after the guy. I come down the stairs. This guy's a grown man. We're like 13, 14. I come down the stairs and my cousin has him by the

neck. He's choking him. But the guy is older and bigger. So his throat, it looked like his hands was like this. Like he was like the funniest thing I ever seen. But yeah, we robbed them. And then it was just like we were doing stuff like that all the time. We were just so wild. it was like we were always trying to one up each other who was tougher or whatever we would do stupid things like we'll be walking and like the next person somebody will be coming right and one of your boys would be like you know you i don't want to curse i'll say i'll say another word because i know it's youtube i don't want to get a demonetized but they would be like yo you soft and then you'd be like no i'm not soft i'm real or whatever and then they'd be like oh yeah you are the next person that

walks up punch them in the face so we would do stuff like that run up to somebody punch them Sometimes you get beat up. They're laughing at you because, you know, you set it off and you lost or whatever. But we just did a lot of wild stuff when we were younger. New York was just a crazy place at that time. It was, it always was like that. I don't remember a time. I always felt like it was moving too fast for me.

Like everything is moving so fast and I'm naturally more laid back. But I had to like readjust to it. But I never felt like truly comfortable in that New York speed, you know? Right. Yeah. Um, that just that story reminded me of, uh, I had a girlfriend one time. She was a, she was a stripper. And she had come out. They used to have record, you know, like CD stores. Yeah. I remember it out. And she was walking out going to her car. And there was a group of little kids. They were like, third. She's like, they're 13, 14 years old. But they were on bicycles. And this is in Carolwood, Florida. Listen, it's, it's middle class. Yeah. You're not tough kids. You know what I'm saying? But they start circling her and their little bicycles saying stuff to her. Hey, baby. Hey, hey. you were thinking they're cool, but there's like five of them. And she's like a buck 15.

Yeah. She put her hand in her purse, grabbed her mace. And she said, I got scared, and she pulled it out and sprayed one of them. But they were going around in circles. She goes literally, every one of them drove through it. So as she's doing this, give mine, they're looping quick. So boom, she had all five of them. And she said, they, every one of them, as soon as it hit, they,

bam, fell on the ground, fell on the ground, I started screaming, rolling around. She said the mist hit her. And her eyes immediately burned and started, got to her car backed up. But she was like, I remember she had it on her hand was like, she had like, you could see like the red just from that. But, you know, you're 13, 14. To me, a 13, 14 year old kid is, is harmless. But in a group of five or six, they're practically grown men.

That's five grown men. Yeah. So I can see. I couldn't imagine 13, 14 year olds coming up to me and saying. saying, give me what you have on or give me what's in your pocket because I would take my belt off and it would be an asswoman fest, you know? Right. But that's what we were doing as kids.

Believe it or not, it was crazy. And people were terrified, you know, but they don't know. I'm coming out here. My cousin's coming out here. They don't know how many other people are around if there's older people, you know. But I kept doing that. And around the age of 14, we robbed somebody. We did our shopping thing.

And me and a friend, he beat the kid up. I kind of like went for the pockets because I wasn't like one of those nasty people that wanted to hurt people. I was more like, let me get the money, you know? So we took like a bus pass and a couple of dollars. We wound up getting caught by the police. And it was a whole thing because when he came in, when we both got locked up, his mother didn't care about him.

So he didn't come. His mother didn't come get him. My mother did. So we had a whole thing where my mother, they told my mother, if he like does what he's supposed to do we'll let him go home with you and that's something that they really don't do but he was like cursing at the cops fuck f you and all that so um my mother was like yo he could stay if he wants to act like that i'm like no but it was a big problem on the street because they're like why did you let him so i went through a lot of problems on the street

because she did that because it was almost like it's not snitching but it's almost like letting him stay locked up and it's like i wore the brunt of it for some reason i didn't understand why it was my fault. But I was telling her, I'm like, my, you can't leave him here. You know what I mean? Like, just take him. She's like, no, the way he's talking to them, you know, he was like really getting at the cops. But, you know, but because of all of that, I wound up getting locked up. At first I got probation, but at that age, I'm not going to school. I'm messing up. So my mother called up and got me violated with my probation officer. So I wind up going, when I get locked up, I wind up going to Spofford. Because this is a, this is a robbery charge that, you know, I got hit with.

So, you know, you copped down so it's a lighter robbery, but I still had 18 months of probation. So that transferred over to I had to do 18 months of time. So at 14 years old, I went in, it happened at 14. I went it at 15 and came out 17. But what happened was when I first got locked up. Spofford is a juvenile, like a juvenile facility, right? Yeah, Spofford is where they used to send you before Rikers Island made the kitty unit. So this was, it was Bronx, Brooklyn, Queen, Staten.

This was the baddest of the baddest, all in the Bronx. And the place is shut down now because it was so corrupt. But Spofford was like, Spofford was a dangerous place. The crazy thing about Spofford, though, it was so bad, but it was like my school. Because my school was that bad. People were getting beat up every day. People were getting robbed every day. If you had a nice hat on, like a new Mets hat or a nice Yankee hat, and you weren't

like part of the group, they're taking it right off your head. Because they had these, like, stairs that go up in the school, and they were like, you know, those weird ones, the school ones that go like that, they're weird the way they go up and it's all gated. You start walking. One person will grab the hat. They'll start passing it down to other people. And then I would see it happen every day. It was so crazy. But going to Spofford, it was, it was hardcore.

Like, that was my first little kitty, you know, learning what the prison system is like. So then from there, they sent me to my mom. said, listen, I wanted him. I thought he was going to go to wherever he was going to go, and I have to go to Spofford first. She didn't understand the system. So they put me in a group home called Boys Town. And it's actually famous for, you heard a Boystown before?

Yeah. I've heard of Spofford before. You heard of Spofford before, too? Oh, okay, yeah. Boys Town was actually fun. Like, anytime I was in a group home, I actually had fun. I went to Boys Town. There was one here in Florida where hundreds of kids were murdered.

Yeah. Before they had real kind of, even now, of course, just like prison. Like they say, they're kind of, you know, monitored, but they're not really that mild. You can get away with anything as a guard. But, you know, back then, their pedophiles are specifically trying to be prison guards so they can write to kids. Kids says anything. We'll just choke you out and say you escaped, you ran off.

Or they've got hundreds of bodies. Is that what the Sleepers movie is about? I think the Sleepers movie is about, it's in New York. Like, it's one of the ones in New York. It's one of those facilities. I don't know if it's offered. But, yeah, it's based on, yeah, it's horrific. Yeah.

So I went, I went to the group home for a little bit, and then I got sent up 18 months. I went to Lincoln Hall. And it was rough, too, but it was more, I say they call it lock up, but it's more, it's cottages. And you're in different cottages. I was in the hillside. And, you know, it's kind of to me, it's like more like boarding school. It's not a boarding school. You're locked up for a charge.

But the setup is like a boarding school almost. So I did that for 18 months, and I had fun and hard times there because it was like, since it's a kiddie jail, when you're locked up, if you do the right thing, once a month, they had like visits or whatever. So you would have like a weekend visit or like Thanksgiving and stuff like that. And I remember we got in a lot of trouble sometimes because we'd be joking around at nighttime. And when the lights are off, they want no, nothing because they don't want, you know, words to spark sun and people are fighting because there's less staff or whatever. So a couple of friends of mine We were joking around and we got dorm disturbances That's what they called it

And we lost our Thanksgiving and our Christmas That was rough Like everybody was going home And I had my little girlfriend We're writing letters and stuff like that And like it was a rough time But then, you know, I got out of there I did, um

They actually, I kind of schemed my way out of there though Because since I was going on 17 I told them, look, if I go outside I'm never going to go back to school It's just not going to happen So I got my GED in there. So they put me in a GED program. Since I finished and passed my GED fast, there was still months left on my sentence.

So they sent me to a group home. So I kind of schemed my way out of there because nobody really does that. You know, they usually have to do their time all the way through. But I wound up going to a group home. And then they semi said they were going to pay because I was going to be a big producer. So I went to the Institute of Audio Research. It was way over my head. It was just too much scientific math stuff.

you know like and we never even stepped in the studio i thought i was going to be like a big time producer or something like that so i didn't do that but you're what 17 yeah 17 so it's just too over my head you have people in there that that were owning studios for years they would just get in the paper just so they have it for the job i had never touched the button in the studio in my life but you know i was rapping and stuff like that so i thought it would be good if i have like the technical side of it you know so um when i came out it was a struggle you know and like i said my stepfather was very abusive well now I'm 17 I think I'm a grown man so there was one day that my sister came to me crying and she's holding a hand over her face and she's all red and crying I'm

like you know how you get frantic like yo what happened what happened so she comes up to me and she says he hit me and I'm like who hit you she was like having a hard time told me my stepfather hit her I was already 17 I put the beats on him so awful like I was hitting him he fell a little bit I was kicking him and then my mother came and helped him she hit me with a bat in the back not hard though you know woman can't really crank it on you but it was kind of more like get off him you know and then they were like get the hell out and kick me and my sister out or whatever and that's when we were with my grandmother for good after that you know because we had our issues we're cool now and he died he wound up passing he winded up when he died he wound up telling

me that like he was sorry for all the stuff he did he was addicted to he was he was another one that got caught up in the 80s with all the drugs you know so you got addicted and that's why he was the person he was. I used to see the devil in his eyes. I used to always tell people like when he would get high, there was just like these redness in his eyes. I would see it where he was just a different person. And he was just like real evil, you know? But after that, I started, I just kept progressing into worse and worse stuff. Like, I was already older now. So I wound up getting another charge, another robbery charge again. After that, I got probation, right? Because you're adult when you when you have a juvenile charge your adult charge it doesn't how do you explain it like

they don't count your child charge so you could still get probation as an adult right because I was already over 18 at this time they don't hold it against you yeah they don't hold it against you so after that me and my co-defendant since they came to my house I felt like he ratted on me people went to other co-defendants to the co-defendants house turns out we went through all this stuff like we went through a war it was a shootout everything. I got an attempt murder case behind it and all that turns out it was somebody that wasn't even one of us that's national all of us, you know? And we had this whole gun beef and everything that we went through. But I actually got shot too. I was in the hospital. Yeah. How does that happen? How does a shootout happen? I mean, because we had beef. I went to prison for

mortgage fraud. Nobody's shooting each other in mortgage fraud. Yeah, I know. I know. He came after my sister because we had beef. And when he went, when he approached her, he was asking her where I was and she was with her boyfriend her boyfriend fought him beat him up everything but then after that I was like you came after my sister it's on now so one day I saw him and he was in front of my building I had just pulled up so I jumped out the car this is all I already got tried for it everything beat the case so I could talk about it but we had an exchange of fire or whatever one he wound up with a bullet lodge and his cheek which he still has to this day mine's wet in my shoulder here his cheek right here yeah and um mine's went in and

out. So it just, you know, healed up. But that day was crazy because somebody that I really valued as a good friend, I try to pass him the strap because I was my arm, it was like Popeye. It's crazy. Have you ever witnessed that before how, like a body part could blow up? My arm literally was like Popeye. It was huge. It was blowing up. And I had to like hold it up because it was just blood everywhere. I was blood all the way down. So I try to pass him it. And he, like, pushed it back to me and open the door. So I had to go up the stairs, go up the elevator to the fifth floor where we live. And I had to go in the house without touching things because I want to get blood all over everything.

And I went and dropped it. And then the garbage can came back out. And then I knocked on the neighbor's door so that they could call a 911. And when I told them what had happened, you know, like the husband, a woman came out first. I never met her, but she was like, no, no, come back out. And she's like, yeah, but he's shot on the floor. He's like, no, we got to mind our business. She wound up, thank God, calling the cops.

So I'm laid out on the floor, bleeding, the cops come. Who did this to you? Like trying to interrogate me. I'm like, I don't even know if I'm going to survive and you're interrogating me. Can we save me first and then, you know? Right. But I had a feeling I wasn't going to die. I don't know why because it was a 2-5 or a 2-2.

I don't know what it was. But I just had, I never felt like I was going to die, but I was drenched in blood. You never know. So it's like, aren't you going to get me medical attention? Like, you're asking me all these questions now. So I get brought to the hospital And one thing that I left out Because it's key to the story

When I caught that The one that I got probation for It turned out that the guy that we assaulted In this situation Was an off-duty police officer So they was trying to hit us with With assault on police But it didn't stick

Because he wasn't in uniform Yeah And he wasn't even from our jurisdiction Or whatever He was like from another precinct So when I'm in the hospital It ties into this though When I'm in the hospital

the cops come and they put the cuffs on me and I'm like why are you putting cuffs on me like I'm shot like where am I going and they're like the other guy said that you're the one who shot him and I was like I don't know what you're talking about I was like I got hit look at me right here like how did I shoot anybody and it was a crazy situation and when I was going to central booking central booking is where they send you in Manhattan to get processed or whatever whatever you know burrow you're in they have their own central booking. So I got taking a central booking. And when I was going, my mother left clothes for me to leave. So I was supposed to put those clothes on and go to court and see what happens. The cops, since I had that first charge, they were like, oh, yeah, you're so-and-so. We heard you're so-and-so that assaulted officer, blah, blah, blah, blah. So they were like, yeah, they were like, yeah, you're clothes. We don't know where they are. So I'm in a hospital gown with the ass out. You know, the old-school ones that you got to tie up. I got on slippers that are not even slippers. They're like, the ones that go over the nurse's foot. So it's like paper. I have that on and just in a robe and I'm in a sling. I get brought to Central Booking like that. I go in the Central Booking and the first CO says, your charge is a murder, a tent murder.

I'm like, you mean a tent murder, right? And they're like, no murder. He died. I'm like, my heart just dropped. I was like, my whole life is over. Like, I was sick. I was sick. And I'm like, I'm looking crazy.

My hair's all crazy. I'm just like, wow, I'm really, you know, I really. ruined my life. So when I go into the cell, the first person that I see is the OG of his neighborhood. Like this dude, Jimmy was like, he's like the real deal in our neighborhood. Everyone's scared of him. And the guy that I had the altercation with is from his block. So I'm like, I'm going to get washed up right now. You know? This is no good. So I didn't want to be sitting down and get attacked. So I just, as soon as I came in, I'm like, let's just get this over with.

this is going to happen. So I told him, I was like, you know why I'm here, right? And I told he was like, nah, why? And I was like, your boy, I let him have it on the block. Like, it got real. And I thought he was going to automatically get up and we were going to get into it. And he started laughing. And I'm like, why is he laughing? This guy's from his block. He's like, he's not from my block. He's from 207. He's just always there. Nobody likes something like that. I was like, you know what I mean? Like, and I'm sitting. And we're just telling stories or whatever. and I'm sitting there looking like a fool with a hospital gown around gangsters, you know? So I get pulled into the courtroom and I'm just thinking like, I'm going to be in jail for the like, who knows how long, you know, maybe the rest of my life or whatever.

So I go into the courtroom and I have this lawyer and he's just like speaking plain English. I never understood. I don't know when you got into your stuff, you were maybe like a little bit older. You understood everything that was being said. Whenever I was in court, I never understood the language, what they were saying or anything. but this lawyer was speaking plainly. I understood everything he was saying. He was so articulate. And he asked me, he was like, did you do this? And I was like, no. You know, like, I'm not telling you the truth. I was like, no. She's like, all right. And he fought hard. And when he spoke to the judge,

he was like, you already let his co-defendant go. You have to let him go too. And they're like, no, because if they see each other on the street, it's going to be a problem and it's just going to escalate. And he was like, still, by law, you let him go. You have to let him go too. they let me out. I was like, he was like, all right, you could go home. I'm like, for real? No bond. No bond. No bond. R-O-R. You know what's good, though? I've always got R-O-R'd because I've gotten locked up several times and I never ran. Right. So that's why in New York, there's so much crime that it's easy actually to get R-O-R'd if you're not a runner, you know. Yeah, I was going to say Florida, you got a gun, you just got to a gun, like a little gun battle. Yeah. You're not getting, no, are you.

You're putting up a chunk of money. Well, they didn't have the weapon. Right, but clearly people were shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they would have kept both in. They probably would have kept both or giving you some outrageous, some outrageous bond that you would be difficult to, you know, difficult to come up with. So when did you, or how did you find out that he wasn't dead? Oh, so right there, the lawyer, I was like, I thought the guy died or whatever.

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They want to scare you when you're in there. So I get out of there, and I don't, this is, I don't have a cell phone or anything. This isn't those days, you know, like, this is when people start. Well, in the 80s, they had the big brick phones, but I didn't have a cell phone at that time. So I called my, I called my mother through his phone. I'm like, my, they actually left. me out like and she was like for real and i was like i need to take a cab to get home so she was like just jumping any cab and go home so i'm standing on 161st street you know you have you been there

before where the yankee stadium is it's right there it's like two blocks from yankee stadium with court house i've been there time i've been more time square is like that's the only time yeah yeah yeah so right where yankee stadium is i'm standing out there with with a hospital gown soft slippers looking foolish so i get in the cab i get home and um everything like at that point I bumped into him on the street and we actually shook hands and squashed the beef like we took it to that level and actually shook hands and squashed the beef and um what about the charges the charges got dismissed because they had no weapon nobody was really saying anything so it was like it just got dismissed I don't know how oh so when when he when the cop said he said you shot it that was all bullshit yeah okay okay I thought maybe he had said you and then you know like he's ready to testify but if he he doesn't say he didn't testify no okay so um maybe they was just um doing that too to like get me to say he did it or something you know and then like have that whole thing and then they can get both of us that's one thing that like the young kids

got to learn too is like don't talk to them at all like I remember being young trying to like trying to like scheme talk my way out of it you're a kid they're gonna always get you to say something that incriminates yourself you know they've heard everything yeah And they can just look at you and know you're lying by your body language and everything, you know? And they're not there to help you. But my full thing growing up was that the cops were the cops are trying here to help. But like, you know, growing up, I grew up in an upper middle class neighborhood. So to us, the cops are like servants, not servant service, but like their public, you know, public servants where they're there, they're there to help you.

They, you know, you have a problem. You call the police. They'll come. They'll straighten it out. They'll do this. They'll look in the backyard. They'll do whatever. That's not really how it is.

Where I'm from, we looked at them as the devil. Like, they wanted us all locked up. That's how we looked at it. We hated cops, you know, growing up. After all of that, I just, like, I had a couple years where I was doing music, and I was getting on, like, Hot 97 and stuff like that. I started going a positive route, and things started to go really well. And then I started getting offers because I started getting, like,

when I was getting the Hot 97 play, Hot 97 is the main station out there for hip hop. in R&B. So I was getting play like late hours or whatever from DJ Camillo. And I started getting a lot of traction. I was on a lot of mixtapes. And I made a bad decision. I chose there was DJs that wanted to manage me. I chose the drug dealers from Washington Heights to be my managers. So they're taking us to the clubs. Every day we're going to a club, except for one day. I don't know if it was a Tuesday or Wednesday. I want to say it was a Wednesday. But I mean, we were everywhere. Club New York, Jersey girls. Like they had different places, club exit. We would go to a club and then go to an after club.

Exit at that time would open at 4 in the morning. So they're paying for VIP. They got people that hustle for them that are under A's that they're just paying the bouncers. We're all in there deep, popping bottles. It was a fun time. But I started to fall off with the music because it was all party, party,

and it wasn't like any productiveness. So I wound up falling out with them because I had a management contract with them and they wanted to start their own record label. So they wanted me to sign to the record. I didn't want to sign a label deal with somebody that had no distribution or anything like that. So I wound up getting out of that. And then after that, I was dead broke because they were paying for my apartment.

They were paying for everything for me. So I started to sell drugs myself. I, it is start like that. I met this girl from Havestroar in Rockland County, which is like up from New York where the Palisades Mall and stuff like that is. Everybody thinks that's Jersey, but that's upstate New York. And I started dating this girl. I started staying with her. She worked at a bar.

and at the bar she worked at the guy that owned it was like a front he was like selling coke or whatever so i started i started hustling for him and what i started to do was i started to have people that would be like i don't like coming here is there way you could come to me and i'm like nah i can't do that it's an in-house operation they were like yo you should really think about starting your own operation i'm like for real so i started talking a friend of mine and i got some of my own stuff so i would add like a like a couple in to his and then sell it and i was making like way more money. So then I started eventually like having so much outside clientele that I started doing it on my own. And I did that for probably like seven years. I was living my

best life. I had a little Ford Exploder and then I got a navigator. And I'm in my early 20s with a navigator. The cops are like, who is this kid? Who does he think he is? And for the whole time you didn't, you never got busted that whole line? Oh yeah. I did time for it. Oh, okay. I was not good at crime. I say I wasn't good at crime. I mean, it lasted for seven years. But I what messed me up is that my cousin had came home from green and um that's that's a prison in um in new york and he was crib so when he came home the bloods had ran out ran down on him one day in the park they had chased him out the park so he comes to me all frantic yo they just chased me so i'm in my little fort explorer i got my bats and stuff so i grab them and then we see a bunch

of them so i said we're going to pull up and we're just going to come out with the bass and just smash everybody we got out everybody started running so So a friend of mine's Dougie that I grew up with, he's a real shooter too. You always was strapped. I saw him and I'm like, yo, where are these dudes? They just chase my cousin. And he knows my cousin for years. He was like, yeah, they're with me.

And I'm like, so these are you people? So why are they running down? And then he tells me, he was like, your cousin is Crip. I'm blood. So this is how it is now. And he had a gun like this. And he's like, if you ever, you know, if you ever come by my boys again, you know what's going to happen, he had it up on my car.

And I'm the type of person, like, I think, I don't know if I'm a little crazy or what, or I just kind of know when somebody's not going to pull the trigger. And I told him, I was like, I'm going to tell you something. If they ever come after my cousin again, you're going to have to deal with me. And let me tell you something. When I pull it out, I'm not just going to show it. I'm going to pull it out and use it. And then I just pulled off. And I caused a separation where they stopped messing with him because they were a little nervous because I already had put in work around the way.

And like an idiot, I used to always tell him, like, why are you doing this? These dudes are not there for you. You have all these problems because he became a Crip in jail. So I'm like, you're bringing this home and nobody's Crip out here. So I'm the one defending you. Why are you in this shit? So I winded up getting down with him like an idiot instead of getting him pulling him out of it. Because I'm like, he's my cousin.

He's hardheaded. He's not going to stop. So I started. And then it turned into a whole thing where everybody started getting down with it. And we, I even met like people where it started out because we were Grape Street. and they come from Watts in California. So I met Dita is one of the ones that lived out there. And then we got really plugged in.

And I started knowing all the other Cripsets. And then I had a crazy situation happen because of my cousin. He's a lot of the key to a lot of my problems. He lent the gun to one of the members. And one of the members didn't give it back. So we went to his house and he thought that we were coming to do something to him. But we was just coming to tell him like, yo, give it to him. And like, you know, and he wound up telling the other chapter.

I didn't know he was dealing with another chapter and I actually had a huge home invasion because they were mad at my cousin and they wanted to get back at me so I went through that situation that's like the worst thing you could ever go through I was shot I way rather to take a bullet right now than deal with a home evasion

because the home invasion is it's a mental thing it messes with your head like oh they can get me in my house while I'm sleeping or whatever being shot does not compare to the mind like what it does to your mind with a home invasion I went through like some depression because of it.

But what happened was my cousin had a gun and he gives it to one of the members of one of the gang bangers and the kid keeps it, doesn't give it back. We go to his house and he thinks we're going there to jump and we weren't. We were going there like tell him to come outside and then squash the whole thing out. So they came to my house and I, that day I was like not on point. I'm wearing my basketball shorts. So I'm ready to like, I'm like, I forgot what I was doing. I was like eating or something.

I'm there with my daughter. She's like three at that time or four or something like that. And somebody was supposed to come to do something to the apartment. So usually when I look at the people, like in the Bronx, you know, we have the people or whatever. You look through the people. And I didn't see anybody. That should have been a red flag. But I thought it was like the, I think it was the, you know, the people that come by for like, I forgot what you call it for like bugs and stuff like that.

Yeah, pest control. Yeah, like a pest control type thing. Well, apartment buildings have that, like, once a month they come because, you know, it gets bad if you have, like, a messy neighbor. So I thought it was them. So I go to open the door, I see all my enemies. So I'm like, my eyes just lit up, and I go to slam the door. And his brother, his older brother, sticks his leg in the door.

So I'm, like, pushing it. These dudes must have been weak or I must have had that scare strength because it was eight of them pushing the door. And I'm like, I'm pushing. And, like, I'm getting tired, though. and his foot is in the door, and he has a knife, and he's sticking it, trying to go like that and stab. So I go like that and slam it, and then it, like, falls down,

but then they push through, because I got tired from pushing it again. So they pushed through. I'm fighting with him, and it drags out towards the, towards where the bedroom is, towards the kitchen. So they start jumping me or whatever. And then all of a sudden, one of the other members has a gun pointed at me, and one of the ones that's wrestling with me on the floor is, like, don't. And another one is, like, shoot.

them, shoot him, shoot him. And he's aiming the gun at me. I look to my left and I see my daughter crawling towards me. And I'm like, man, it's just how I'm going to go out in front of my daughter like this. Like, am I this much of a fuck up that I'm going to ruin my daughter's life? And she's going to see her father gets splatted, you know, as a baby, you know? And I'm like, why would they take it to this extent? Like, I never did nothing wrong to them. These were people that were in my same chapter, but they wanted to get out my cousin. So they got at me in return. So I don't know how I don't know what happened but he didn't pull the trigger and I wound up getting out of that situation but it haunted me for years like it made me like not trust anybody it made me feel like somebody could come after me at any moment like I don't wish that on anybody that feeling of a home invasion is it's it's a different level and I thought it was over for me you know I thought I was I thought I was gone but I believe that when you go through like a experience like that, and you make it through, I think it means you have purpose.

I don't know if you agree with that, but that's something that I hold in my heart. Like, it wasn't my time yet, you know? And I went through a lot after that. Like, I was, like, ostracized from everybody I knew. And it was like, but I also, like, was like thinking about my daughter, like, what kind of life am I giving her being a Crip when I have custody of my daughter and I got these people coming to try to me? You know what I mean?

with my daughter sitting right there, you know, and it's just, that's why, like, on my channel, I talk about a lot of stuff, and I have a younger demographic, so I tell her, I just put my life out there, and not to ever glorify it just so they see, like, just don't do this shit. It's not worth it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, you know, so I had a whole invasion.

Yeah. Did you know that? Yeah. I talked about it. Nashville, right? Yeah. Did I talk about it on the, well, I just know that it was a home invasion. Like, I didn't know that you were there or whatever.

because it's, it's so, it is so fucked up. It's dark. And it's such a, a horrible feeling of just complete vulnerability. And we had a, I think he was probably three or four years old. My girlfriend's son was there. My girlfriend was there. I was there. You know, these guys had us lay down, threw a blanket over us.

Wow. And they threw the blanket over us while they're searching the house. And so I'm there. Like over your head so you can't see what they're doing? So we couldn't see them. Now, they had masks on, you know? but they threw the blanket over and we're laying down and she's sitting there you know her son's there and she's sitting there crying saying oh my god they're going to close they're like first of all

your kids here like shut up don't don't say that in front of him he's four years old he understands what happening you know and he's sitting there just like this like petrified scared and i'm saying what do you guys want and you know so they're doing two things you know they're they're journaling spikes right so well first of all the way they got in we're just i was actually just got out of the shower just put on like i think i had maybe my jeez jeans and a t-shirt on. I don't even think I had I had shoes on. And I'm, like, drying my hair or something.

I don't know what I was doing, you know, fixing my hair, whatever. And I hear, bam. And I thought my girlfriend's son, like it, you know what it sounded like the TV, like a flat screen TV, bam, because that was all I could think of. It's the only thing that could have made that kind of sound. Like it was a smack. Really, it was the guy just ran up to the door and just, bam, kicked it open. you know our front door and our doors opened inward you know so he's just when he kicked it and

they were double doors bam so he comes running in or there's two of them they run in so by the time i walk around to walk in see like what the fuck happened as soon as i turn around the corner boom the guy's got his gun right in my face and i was like whoa whoa you know and he's and i hear screaming so now they're screaming and they they grab her and she's all hunching and they lead her out and they go he was like get on the ground get the ground i get down she gets down the They bring Cameron, the little boy in. He lays down, they throw a blanket over us. A moment they felt through the blanket over us, though, I immediately thought, even though she's saying they're going to kill us, they're going to kill us.

I remember thinking, no, we're fine. Oh, yeah? Because I thought they didn't throw the blanket over us because they're going to kill us. They threw the blanket over us because they don't want to seeing them. You know what I'm saying? Like they're trying to hide their identity. Like don't look. They're like, keep your head down.

Keep your head down. So I thought he's going to kill us. you know they may have already probably would have killed us like they kicked in that front door that was that was as loud as a gunshot yeah so and they don't and obviously they don't they don't have a lot of time they kicked that door and it's bam like I got neighbors that are right next door it's people on both sides of me like it's people probably are calling the cops already maybe maybe not yeah but regardless I knew that the way they're rushing around and I just started yelling what do you want what do you want and then the same time I'm screaming what do you want they're screaming

where's the money and they're saying shut up so it's like do you want me to shut up? You want me to tell you where the money is. So I'm like, what do you want? What do you want? And they're like, you know, where's the money? Where's the money? I go, I got watches and jewelry over here. I, you know, I'm, I'm down, but I'm pointing, I got my arm out of the thing. There's watches in the dresser. There's what? There's jewelry over here. There's money over here. You know, they're, and they're, you know, they grabbed our Cartier's. I bought my girlfriend in Cartier. And I think I had one and I had a couple Rolexes. Boom. They grab that. They grab her. There.

They took our car, one of our vehicles, you know, they took, they, like $100,000, at least $100,000 worth of cash. And then while they're grabbing everything, I remember we had, we probably had another $100,000 or so. I don't remember exactly how much in the freezer. And she's like, what about the money in the freezer? Should we tell them? I'm like, shut the fuck. Like, I just gave. These guys did not expect to just get a hundred.

It's over. You don't think. Yeah. They didn't, trust me, the cash I gave them. They didn't expect that. Like they're, these are guys that, you know, at this level, they're hoping to get 10 grand, 20 grand. They'd be thrilled. I would have just told them where the money is, not the rollies and all that.

But, I mean, they were kind of like on the counter. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know they're screaming. Like, where's the droolry? What's that? I'm like, all I'm thinking is what, take them out, get them out. I can, look, I can steal more money. Yeah.

You see what I'm saying? Like, I can't have something happen to me or her or her or something. Like, I'll never be over, get over that. So anyway, yeah, and they're sitting there and, you know, they're, grab the, where's this? And they grabbed, I think they grabbed the gun safe. Did they grab the gun safe? Or they not grabbed the gun safe? No, they did.

They grabbed the gun safe because I remember the only thing, they didn't find, they took the gun and the gun safe. They found the receipt. Because I got charged with a gun. You know, I got it dropped, but I actually was charged with constructive possession of a firearm by a convicted felon when actually I'd never touched the gun. My girlfriend had a gun. Yeah. And when the cops raided me later, when the Secret Service raided me, they found a receipt and they charged me. me. You had a gun. Secret service. Secret service grabbed me. I mean, had the FBI, Secret Service

U.S. Marshals, but the Secret Service is the one who caught me. Isn't the secret service for the president? Yeah, they do counterfeiting. They do aggravated, they do identity theft. They do anything to deal with the financial infrastructure of the United States. So banking, anything falls under their purview. Although, of course, the FBI can also do it, too. You know, a lot of it overlaps. Yeah. So anyway, but these guys is like, there, there's so much yelling and screaming and And then suddenly, and you hear, you realize. And so then on your, you're like, are you here? Hello?

You get up and we, you know, get out there. And, you know, I'm on the run. I'm wanted. I called the police. I call the police. So, yeah, we called the police. They showed up. And I remember, too, when they showed up, they were like, you know, what were they

wearing? We were like this, this. And I said, I said, they had like, they had gloves on. Because I don't want them to dust like don't dust you dust my place. You're going to get my fingerprints. Yeah, that's going to be a problem. They didn't dust or anything and I actually had a surveillance tape of the robbery because we had surveillance cameras inside and outside of the house. So we we had that. But yeah. Yeah, but dumb having the mask on is almost like a chico, right? Yeah, yeah, nothing's going. I didn't call the police because if I did, it would have been all over the internet. They would have like, he's a rat. Like our community, it was like you don't have that. You know what I mean? Like you're supposed to take care of it. yourself. Yeah. What the fuck am I going to take care of? There's eight fucking guys just broke in my hair.

Do you think that there's a possibility that those were feds? So I always heard that. I don't, but I always get these people are like, because here's the thing, the same time that happened, the woman that turned me in had called the police and told them where I was. Now, the Secret Service. The Secret Service didn't show up for a few more days. Now, on their reports, of course, they were talking with this woman who told them where

I was, but it's not for a few more days before they show up at my house and they watch the house for three days, and then they grab me. So everybody, you know, if you, the time works out, I don't see the secret service or the people that grabbed me being involved in something like this. And, you know, these were street guys. I definitely felt like they were street guys. But how, but you're on the run. How do they know what you have? Um, I don't know. I, I kind of feel like I was set up by a guy. Like somebody you trusted in it? It's always that, though.

It wasn't that I, that he necessarily knew exactly. But here's what happened was one of the things that the guys said was he said something about you're, we know you're dirty or you're doing dirt. We know about the, they, one of the guys had said something about the, um, uh, birth certificates. We know you're dirt. We know you're making them birth certificates. And he's saying stupid shit. And I only knew really one or two guys who knew that I was making had fake birth certificates

and I was able to take a fake birth certificate and get a social security card and then go get an ID. So there was only like two people that knew that. And one was my general contractor and one was a buddy of his that was, you know, he flipped houses and stuff. So it was, and I don't think my general contractor would do this. He was too soft of a guy. it was the other guy and he knew everybody he knew had been in and out of prison so i think he set me up and they all knew i had cash the reason i think they came after the cash was because

dateline was coming out i knew there was this one hour special coming out on me on date line so two weeks prior to that we had already started cashing checks so i've asked him to cash a check for eight or nine grand her to cash one for four thousand you cash one for six you can and i'm giving them like they cashed it for nine and i'm giving them five or six hundred bucks to do it but I'm nobody didn't pay me like they're showing up but I also know that this one guy knows my name was Carter at the time they're like Carter's cash in a lot of checks he's obvious something's he didn't know what's going on yeah but he knows I've I've cashed at least he's cashed 20 or 30,000 and he sees me talking to all the other contractors he knows this guy cashed at least 5 or 6,000

this guy did at least 20 he did 25 he knows there's probably 100,000 maybe 200,000 that he knows about, let alone what Amanda cashed, I cashed, she cashed, what I'm cashing in different IDs names. So he doesn't know what's happening, but he knows there's some cash somewhere. Plus he knew about the birth certificates. So when these guys said that, I thought he set me up. Yeah. You know, and I can't say anything to the cops.

You know, I can't say anything about anything. I'm, you know, I'm semi hoping they catch and catch them semi not really giving a shit. Yeah. But being thrown on the ground, you know, with my girlfriend and her son and the guns and the whole thing. Like, absolutely just feel like when I tell my story typically, I never mention it. Yeah, I've never heard that. It's been, we've been doing this three years.

I've never heard that story. Yeah. Like, I might say I had a home invasion, but I breeze through it so quick. Yeah. I don't talk about, because, you know, I... Is it the darkest moment for you? What would you say is your darkest moment? Well, I would say being sentenced to 26 years was pretty bad.

You know, that's a horrifically horrible. But as far as being extremely vulnerable and feeling like you could be shot and killed. So even though it was only a few seconds between the guy with the gun, the two guys with guns pointing guns at me and leading my girlfriend who's hunching over like this and she's and her little boys like crying and, you know, that, even though that was only less than 30 seconds until they threw the blanket over. And when they threw the blanket over, I did. I immediately thought, I think we're going to be okay. Like maybe that was my adrenaline telling me we're going to be okay. No, it's your gut. Yeah, okay.

You know what I'm saying? Like, maybe it was just me. Because I felt like that when I got shot. I was like, I'm not going to die. I felt it. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

So, you know, intuition, your gut, whatever, you know. But that 30 seconds or that whole that situation, it was so, you know, never felt that. Like, you're just so powerless. There's nothing I can do. You always think you can do something. Yeah. There's nothing I could do. I know.

And it's not getting some time. It's, I could be killed. She could be killed. Yeah. The little boy could be killed. How crazy is it that your situation is similar to mind with the little kid involved? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, I feel, you know, I don't know. I don't know that he, I don't know that he, he knew what he would, listen, the kid was never quiet ever. He was quiet as a mouse. The look on hit, the tear on his face. Oh, he saw it. Oh, yeah.

Good thing my daughter was oblivious. what happened. She was, like, smiling, crawling towards me. She didn't really realize. Yeah, she didn't, she didn't know. She was too little. She didn't really know. He was at least four, maybe five, maybe five.

Yeah. Yeah, that was, it was bad. So, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. And now we're YouTubers. Yeah. Yeah, I might have to put those stories in the real podcast for something else on Patreon. I was going to say nobody, I'll tell you what, none of those guys ever said, they never said anything like, shoot them.

Like, if I had heard shoot them, or that would have that was that's a much much more not that it wasn't serious but i never they weren't they was more you know like get down do this do that there if i'd heard you know shoot him shoot him oh i'd have fucking it was so crazy too because the person that was saying shoot him shoot him was someone that i never did anything wrong to had no reason to like have that type of animosity he was just in that type of i don't know he was stop you know how fast you were going i'm gonna have to write you a ticket to my new movie The Naked Gun

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Just like All the way in or something And he was saying something That I don't think he really believed Because He had no real reason To want me dead It wasn't like

The person that actually We went to his house That I was front That was part of my chapter He wasn't saying that He was like no no No no no You know like

It was weird Really weird situation Yeah but I know it happened to push me in a new direction like I was never going to leave that world and that's why that happened I needed to be forced out you know and I believe that that was whatever you believe in I believe in God but it was like God or energy or whatever was taking me out of that life you know and um I wound up leaving the life after that because I just couldn't trust anybody anymore like after it happened I um I told the people that were in my chapter what

happened and they were like, I didn't like the way they reacted. They weren't like, yeah, let's go. Let's, you know, so I'm like, I'm going to go through all this for people that's not even going to ride for me. So I just winded up getting out that game, you know? And it was rough, you know, it was rough. Because when you're in a circle like that and everybody knows you, it's like your whole world. It's like, it's so strange. Like you feel like, like nobody's your friend anymore, if that makes any sense. And it took a while to get out of that bubble. And I had a friend, my boy arson he's actually in the unknown bikers right now a 1% club there's like a famous documentary about them too but um they're they're involved with a famous documentary but they're they're big in

new york so he was he was in this auto club it was called the clique so he was like why don't you join this because it's i think it's like i didn't have any brothers growing up so i wanted to just have that brotherhood you know like have some i was thinking why why join anything i know i know and it was that i always was thirsting for like that that brotherhood like i never had that like group of guys that we were all friends and had each other's back it was always so grimy in new york you almost have to be forced in those kind of situation i think that's why a lot of people join stuff you almost have to be forced to be loyal to a certain extent if that makes any sense so i got into that and it was good i mean we were partying we were just having a good time we were all over new york

going to they were in this big coalition because they were a support club to the unknown bikers which is a one percent club and we were in their support club so they had like 50 clubs under it so like every weekend a party's having a club is having a national a national is like your year anniversary of your club so like every other week there's like a huge party or or just going to another clubhouse so it was a lot of fun and then um i wanted to breaking with a girl at that time that was pregnant and then she, I don't know if she was lying or what, but we wound up breaking up and I was like, like New York was just like so much was going on at that time, like where like not like beefing and stuff like that, but just like, I don't

know, like I felt like I didn't have purpose anymore. So I had a friend that was constantly telling me like, yo, come to Connecticut. You're not doing nothing in New York. All you doing? So I went up and I didn't like it, you know, it was rough. Because I'm so used to, like, New York, you could go to the store at four in the morning if you want to. You could get food at any time of the day in New York. You know, literally in the middle of the night, you know, the Arabic people will, the Muslim people will give you, like, chopped cheese or something.

You know what a chop cheese is? It's like a hero. You know what a hero is? So you have a hero with, like, hamburger meat, but it's like chopped up on a hero with cheese. And it was great. It was really good, unhealthy stuff. But, um, um, doing that. But in Connecticut, that's not happening.

Nah, no. Connecticut is like, the food sucks in Connecticut. Does it? It sucks. It sucks. You've been to Ian Vicks. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Everything is spread out. Like everything's, yeah. It's a boring state. I think it's the reason why I was able to grow big on YouTube because it's so boring, I could just lock in. Like when I go, I go to California a lot because a lot of the big interviews are in

California. When I go out there, I have so much fun. It's like, I don't think I would be as productive, you know, but. Oh, okay. Yeah. But California is a funny place, though, because whenever I'm out there is, like, you somehow connect with somebody, like, famous.

It's weird. Like, they just have, like, a lot of stars, I guess, because everybody moves out there. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, like, easier to connect with stars for some reason. Like, a friend has a friend. But, um, yeah, like, so I moved to Connecticut and they all were riding. They weren't really, like, they were all riding bikes.

They weren't auto club. So I was, like, one of the only ones. I was Auto Club up there of the clique. So eventually they're like, yo, get a bike, get a bike. So I wound up getting a bike. I got a cruiser. They all had street bikes. I never wanted to ride a street bike, sport bike.

I say, I call them street bikes, but sport bike, because I know a lot of people won't know what that means. But I had good times there, you know, I was riding. And then my cousin got pushed out, and he went to a 1% club. And I just liked the way they moved, the way everything looked. And I. What are you, I'm sorry, I hate to interrupt, but what are you doing for work right now during this time? At that time?

Yeah. Um, I don't think I had started the hospital. All right, so I was working as a mental health worker. At that time, yeah, I was working as a mental health worker. First, I was, like, working at Mohegan Sun, like, pulling out the sets. Like, if WWE came, we would, like, put up everything or Ariana Grande or whatever. We would set up everything. Okay.

So I like that job a lot. But I stopped working there because I had a motorist. cycle wreck and um like my shoulder was too messed up at the time to like do stuff i could lift heavy but for some reason we was putting together a ufc ring and i had to do a motion like this to like unzip like a un like unvelcro something and this motion killed my shoulder but um i'm fast following a little bit because that happened after but so he goes he goes to this one percent club and he's now he's like yo you got to come with me this is hardcore that's that's stuff you know the 99s the 99 clubs are soft like you join a 1% and i always felt like i was of that

caliber so i wound up making the jump to that and that's how i'm able to talk about so much things now on youtube because i actually lived that 1% lifestyle you know i was a sergeant arms and a club you know and and there was a lot when we first were in connecticut there was a there was turmoil with other clubs and um i really had to stamp down like we're not going to accept what was going on because before I moved out there there was certain things where they had got jumped certain things were going on I let them know listen I'm out here now this is not happening you know because I'm not going to sit here and get bullied by some club because I decided to join this club so we ironed that out and we were good in our state you know so let me ask a question

because Colby and I already looked at it what is a 1% club so a 1% club is if you they have a diamond shape patch on their on their vests and it's supposed to be the elite of all clubs And this 1% patch, if you're not of the caliber, you're going to get ran. You know, like, you're not going to be able to wear that patch and be able to move around. So there's a lot of territory dispute and stuff like that to wear this 1% diamond. You know, like the Hells Angels are 1% diamond. The pagans are 1% diamond. A lot of the big four, all the big four clubs are banditos.

All these clubs are diamond holding clubs. So when I was locked up, I was locked up with big gym, I guess he was the, at some point, he had been the president of the outlaws in Florida. Yeah. And I was also locked up with a guy named grasshopper. But, and somebody had said, like, you know, they were one percent or something. And then the guy ended up telling me that there was, I guess, a sheriff, there was some sheriff that it had started with. There were some sheriff, there was a bunch of motorcyclists in his town, and the news was there.

And they were questioning. And they were like, oh, is everything okay? And he was like, ah, he's like, look, it's 99% of these guys are law-abiding citizens.

He was just that one percent that we're concerned, that you have to be concerned about. But then Colby and I looked it up yesterday because I was trying to find like that clip. Like that, oh, it would be cool if I could find that clip.

Yeah. I couldn't. We ended up just finding a clip of a, I guess it was a motorcycle like a gang and they were talking like that president. And he was explaining that he was like the same thing. He was the same thing. He's like 99% of these guys of these guys that don't want to,

they don't want to live by. They understand that there's rules. that holds aside together, but he's like, but they're not, they're not going to follow those rules. They're going to follow their own set of rules. So the ones who said that were the AMA, the American Motorcycle Association, and it happened in California, the Booth Fighters is an infamous club. They're one of the clubs that were out there.

It used to be all about racing and stuff. And I don't know where the separation happened, but some people just didn't want to fall under the AMA's rules. The AMA was like Kind of oppressive like how people think of one percent is now Like you can't wear this you can't do that The AMA was that So these clubs decided to say F you

We're 1% we're gonna stay 1% After they made the AMA made that statement that like 99% of low-abiding bikers The rest are just like the worst kind of human beings So they began to embrace that moniker like yeah we're 1% Who cares we don't want to be affiliated with you you know Okay So what so you're a So what do you guys, you know, what does it consist of?

I mean, are you guys like, I mean, you know, you hear different things and I've seen, I've seen, well, first of all, just from, just from writing books and talking to guys. And I actually, there's a guy Pierre Rossini who was, that I wrote a book called a Devil Exposed. And one of the things in the larger book, I wrote to, I wrote an abridgment and then a full-length book. And the full-length book, like, he talks about, like, initially they were, well, initially he was. making and then but the precursor materials were becoming illegal and so i remember the uh like the hell's angels or somebody whoever's in in i think it is the hells angels in in la and in california had come to them because and they had the precursor materials that they couldn't get and they were like but they didn't want it they were like we don't want it they were like we want ice and he and he's like

well well well they wanted like meth and um and they he was like and they said we can get you those materials. If you guys can make it, you're making it. You can make, you know, ice. Like, you're a chemist. So they brought him. He's like, I mean, like a 50-gown barrel. Like, he's like, it's like, they had tons. So this is when they were making all these precursor, all the materials illegal, like pseudofed and all these things. So you had to break it all the way down to the precursor materials and then create the pseudic, create these different things. Anyway, he had dealt with the, uh, the hell's angels there for a long time. And they were, you know, they were dealing in like meth and stuff like when people think of biker games like they think they're it's to me it's like

the mob but more drug related like it's extortion it's it's dealing in drugs that sort of thing it's but i also see them as having you know these these big you know the clubs like they have rallies they have like it's a it's much more cohesive is that how you think of it it's it's a lot of it's propaganda like i'll be honest with you i think personally like i've been i've been around all the clubs because now that I've been, you know, doing this and I left from my club, I party with the Mongols, the Bogos, the pagans. Like, when I was in the club, I was at Halloween, the Hells Angels events, all that. So what I see is, is that maybe a chapter somewhere gets their money like that, but it's not a nation or collecting. It's not like organized crime. Like, we're going to all

do this and we're going to all, you know, break even, you know, break bread with each other. A lot of it is propaganda, you know. And honestly, a lot of the. raise like I personally know with the pagans myself that people will have legal guns they'll take every they'll do a huge raid they'll take everybody's guns they'll take a couple people's vest laid on the table and be like yeah there this is a rico they're they're they're running drugs whatever and they'll it'll be like one member was doing his own thing on the side with somebody else and they'll have those two people but he happened to be a member so they say oh the pagans did this this and that you know it's a lot of it is propaganda to look sexy for like TV

because when you put those vests and stuff, it's more, you know, it looks more like, oh, they're doing that thing. They really did something big. I noticed that about Grady, what's the name, Judge Grady or whatever? You guys love him out here. But he did the same thing with the pagans. One of the brothers went and tried to get a hooker. So he meets up with this girl.

It turns out that the hooker is like an undercover agent. So then they do this huge press conference with all these people that are like human trafficking and all that. They hang his vest up and say, Yeah, the pagans were part of this. I wonder what your club is going to think about you. I mean, the guy was going to get a hooker. And you got him in a huge thing that's like a sex trafficking ring.

It's dishonest. It makes it look like it's a huge deal that you did a huge bus, but it's really not that. I was going to say, I was going to do my whole, I'm not going to sit here and listen to you talk bad about the federal government. Yeah, listen, I can't like the guy grasshopper. Oh, listen, he, the guy, he owns a construction company. he's and these guys came like the government came to they knew he was like the i don't know if he was a president or what his where he was but they came to him and they said look like they're flying in drugs i'll probably get the story wrong but they're flying in so much of it we need you guys

to help us unload the plane or the or the truck whatever and they offer him money and at first he says no and they keep offering more and more and more and then he's like okay well well they wanted to sell him stuff he's like i'm not interested in that and then it was just help us unload it So you're desperately trying to get him connected because there's a group. And so what they do is they end up saying, look, can you get some of your guys to help? And then he's like, yeah, yeah, he goes to the guy. He's like, I'll give you a couple hundred bucks if you'll help me unload this fucking thing. Like none of this is really connected to the gang or, you know, the group itself.

It's just like, I know these guys, like, because I know all the guys in the club. These are my buddies. We hang out. So he asks them, they come in. They unload a shipment. Then they bring in another shipment because they're trying to, you have to, if you move so much. You keep hitting these, um, these different plateaus where they can give you more time, more time, more time. So they have him ship. It's multiple shipments. They're asking him to bring

weapons or just in case, whatever, he does bring a weapon. They unload it. And then eventually they bust them all. And now you're a part of this huge RICO case where really, you're just unloading a vehicle. We're not selling the drugs. We're just, we're just labor. You guys brought us into this. And of course, they go to trial. They lose. They all get like fucking 30 years, 45 years. But the truth is, like, you put me into a conspiracy that I wasn't really a part of. You made me a part of a RICO case. You put it together. You guys laid it all out. You made sure that there were multiple times that we unloaded. You made sure there were multiple people there. You made sure we brought weapons. You made sure we transported. You're the one. But when it laid out

in the newspaper in front of the jury, it's a well-oiled. machine that's part of a huge RICO case to import and distribute drugs. No, I'm moving drugs from here to here. That's all I did. But, you know, he gets 45 years and he's still in prison to this day. And it's, so, I mean, I've seen that happen over and over again. I think it's a way to keep, like, dominant men, like, out of the picture, like, lock them up there, too.

Because I feel like they want, like, a nation of, like, sheep people that a week don't work out, stuff like that. bikers, people that are getting money, you know, they're more masculine. So they're like about their money. They're on the chase. They're more hardcore. They want those people off the street. They want a bunch of soft people that are just going to listen, running

around everywhere. And I'm noticing that. The government doesn't have to do that. They got TikTok and, you know, they got them doing that for them now. Yeah. In a massive way that the government could never pull off. They have China, you know, these I know TikTok's not, it's not, you know, China, whatever.

But they come in and they've created this environment of... Yeah, but TikTok is owned by by dance, right? That's China, right? It's supposedly it's not owned by China. It's like a Chinese

company that... But here's the problem. Any company in China is partially owned by China. Yeah. They have regulators. Like, they can dance all the... Do their little dance where, oh, no, we have no

input with... That's like saying that how many times have you heard five years ago, six years ago, ten years ago, that, oh, no, the federal government, Facebook doesn't work with the federal government. YouTube doesn't work with the federal government. No, we have no input on what they do. And now it comes out that, oh, no, every single day we're telling them, take this TikTok guy down, take this YouTuber down.

Don't push this product. Hey, we want this suppressed. Well, you guys denied all that before, but now it's like, so is it, are they owned by them? They're not on paper owned by them, but are they just an arm of the government that they'll do whatever the government says? of course. If not, they just shut you down. You don't have a choice. Yeah. I agree. And I think that's the same thing. It's funny. I mentioned this in a podcast yesterday where Fidel Castro had said one time, and this was in like the 60s or 70s where he was talking

about helping drug cartels import drugs in general because he was actually leasing out his airspace where you could fly into Cuba, refuel and fly in. And he was saying that the that drugs was the easiest way to undermine the American, you know, the civilian population was to get them hooked on drugs. And now, but now it's not drugs. Now I think it's like social media. And you got these kids that are watching, they're playing for 10 hours a day. They never go outside. They're pale white. They have no muscle tone. They're all hooked on, they're all on medication. You're 30 years old, 25 years old. You live with your parents. You don't have a driver's license. You don't have a job. You play video games. You've never.

never had a girlfriend. You've never had sex. You're 25 years old. What the fuck? They even targeted in their cartoons and everything they watch. When we were kids, it was He-Man, G.I. Joe. Everybody was muscular. Look at the characters now. SpongeBob. Everybody's soft. Even the Ninja Turtles now are like a softer version, less cuts, less, you know, muscular. They're like making the, they want the boys to be so weak. It's insane. Like, it's obvious, too. You could see it. I love T-Man. You didn't know what He-Man is. Colby. Yeah, he does.

And he's got like a sword. It's kind of like a lightsaber. Yeah. You know, and it was, there was an asteroid that came by the earth and destroyed the earth and spun it in a different way. And we all went back to, you know, fighting with swords. And that's a great. That was a great.

I remember seeing this girl. I think 80, this is about ADHD and all this stuff. Like, I seen this girl. She had a son. And she said that he had problems mentally and stuff like that. And he would do weird movies. mince and stuff. And one day I'm sitting on the couch and I'm just watching him and he's watching Spongebob and she's like, he starts, I'm watching what he's watching and I look at

him. He's mimicking SpongeBob and she thinks he has mental health issues. I'm like, look at what Spongebob is doing and look at what your son is doing. He's emulating his favorite character. Right. And a lot of people don't know. That's how kids are being trained. So the kids emulating SpongeBob where he's in there with the doctor or the psychiatrist and they're like, yeah, he got ADHD. He can't stay still. I remember. Do you ever see True Lies, the movie True Lies with Arnold Schwarzenegger? At some point, oh, God, I forget his, what the, Tom Arnold is the main, Arnold

Arnold Schwarzenegger's sidekick or whatever. He works for the CIA with him, and he basically starts, he has this little rant where he's talking about his daughter, and he's like, oh, he's like, she's probably stealing from you, too, because she had stole some money out of his wallet or something. And he's like, she's probably saving money for an abortion. She's probably on crack. She starts going through all this stuff. He goes, he said, and he's like, we raised her better than that.

He's like, you didn't raise her? He's like, she's being raised by Madonna. This is, of course, 20 years ago. He's like, she's being raised by Madonna and so and so. He's like, the hour and a half you and Helen spend with her, your wife's been with her a day can't compete with the 10 hours that she's been bombarded with these, you know, with these performers. And it's just when he does this rant, it's a good.

great rant. It's by Tom Arnold, and you listen to it, and it's exactly what's happening now. Yeah. Like the hour or 45 minutes that you spend with your kid every day, probably not even talking to them. You know, and that's if parents even spend any time on the weekend at all, which they probably don't. They go off with their friends and they play video games. So you are raising your kids. Social media is raising your kids. And then when they end up going, starting on an only fans, you know, your daughter starts an only fan's account, and then you find out about it. And, you know, and all these things are going wrong. You're like, oh, I taught her better than that.

No, no, you were just, you were just boarding this chick. You didn't raise her. It's the school system, too, though. They think they own your kids. Yeah. Like, they hated me. Like, my, I have a daughter, and I have one kid. And they used to tell me, like, oh, she didn't come today.

You got to give me a note. I said, you got to give me a note. If I, if, if son is needed, you need to give it to me. I'm her father. If I say she stays home, she stays home. I don't answer to you. Click. And they just got used to not having the same standard.

with me that they have with other parents because they try to bully you. I remember I didn't tell you, but my daughter, I went through a lot with my daughter. When I was locked up for my adult charge, when I got locked up for, you know, hustling, they took my daughter away from her mother at like two months. So I'm sitting in jail just stressed. Like it was the worst feeling ever. I felt like my daughter was locked up and I was locked up. So when I came home, I ended up getting custody of her, but it was not easy because I came home and I'm like, well, I don't have a case. So I'm home. her dad let me get my daughter once they have them in the system it's hard like you had to jump through a bunch of hoops i had to jump through a bunch of hoops and i'm on parole you know and i'm on gang parole because they

you think they don't know it's crazy because when i got out i thought like maybe like cos knew i was in a gang but they know who you sit with and everything and they have you classified on paperwork when i went to parole i had to go to gang parole and i'm like why am i in gang parole they're like because you're a crib you sat with so and so and i'm like what they knew everything you know but when i was doing that um they said no so i was like what do i have to do to get my daughter and they were like well you don't have to do anything you're not you know you're not a defendant in this case your your daughter's mother is so i said so when when it's court it was like two months away or four months i don't remember the exact numbers don't hold me on that but um they were like you we don't know what you would have to do

so i was like what let's give worst case scenario what would i have to do if they if i go to court and they say. They said, be in a drug program, get a parenting class, whatever. I did everything on my own. I didn't wait for them to tell me. So when we went to court, the, what do you call it, the supervisor of ACS, that's child services, because she was in a foster home. She was around, I got out when she was probably like 10 months or something like that, 12 months. So she was in there for that time. So I did everything. I go up to court. The supervisor says, well, he's not a defendant. So if we get a letter from his parole, you know, saying that, you know, that he's been, you know, doing what he's supposed to do, we'll give him his daughter. So we were going into lunch. And I was like, I told my

lawyer, I was like, I'm going to go for it. I'm going to take a cab to my parole office. And I'm going to get a letter from my parole office. So I went over there. He wasn't there. I asked the supervisor to speak to supervisor. I told the supervisor, I said, listen. I could get my daughter right now if I just get a letter saying that I've been compliant and I haven't gotten any trouble and he was like well you're you know your parole officer's not here so I can't

do that I don't know so he said listen this what I'm going to do for you since you're so adamant I'm going to give you this letter but he said if you did anything even a little bit came high one time I'm a violate you you're going to go up north so do you really want this letter I was like I want this letter so I jump back in the cab I go to court

So the lawyer for the for ACS says, yeah, he doesn't need to do programs or anything, but, you know, we just want to know that everything's okay with his parole, you know, and they were going to push it longer and make a big case out of it. And I just was like, bam. And the judge was like, I have never seen anyone do what you just did. And he said, let me ask you one question, though, before I let you know if you could have your daughter or not. do you want custody of her or do you want your mother to have custody of her because my mother was with me I was like I want custody of her she's my daughter it's my responsibility he gave me to her and when it was all over he said the reason why I gave you your daughter is not because you're going to get paperwork or anything it's the fact that you're the first man I've seen in here that actually didn't want your mother to take your kid you wanted custody yourself so he said I believe in what you do I was shocked that the judge like pulled me to talk to me he was like inspired and when I got out the super supervisor of ACS shook in my hand. He was laughing. He was like, listen, respect. I've never seen

anybody go as hard as you did. And I got my daughter. I've had custody of her since. And I actually have more situations about that because when she was around like six, her mother came to me crying, let me get a chance, whatever. She's her mother. So I was like, all right, whatever. She goes, she's dating some blood dude with tattoos all over his face and everything. No, and I was cripped for years. I mean, I left that world, but that's where you go. That's who you have around. So this dude was beating her up I didn't know And he wound up going to hit her one day And missing and hitting my daughter's sister

And they took all the kids out the house I had to come back down again because they're in the Bronx So I come back down for Connecticut I'm at Connecticut at this time And I go to the court and they almost didn't want to let me have her Because they're like you were supposed to have custody to her She should never be in this situation I'm like I'm letting her stay with her mother

This is her mother you know And um Was she living with their mother? Yeah, I was leaving her there. Yeah. So, and it was, it was, but I got her. You know, they were like, well, for the weekend, she has to stay with your sister. She can't come with you to Connecticut because that's out of jurisdiction.

I'm like, why? I have custody. And they're like, yeah, but while the court's going on, it's a New York case or whatever, she stayed with my sister for like a weekend and then they tried to extend her for a couple of weeks. I brought her up. I just said, listen, if they call you and say they're coming, just let me know. Just don't open the door for nobody. And then I wound it up, you know, it wound up getting squashed out.

You know, but she's always been like that too. She's like every once in a while she'll bring me to court, like to get custody because she has my daughter has special needs. So she's living in the Bronx. She's living hard. She wants to get that, that check, you know, the SSI. I don't qualify for it because, you know, I make too much money for that. So I don't care about it.

But that's what she cares about. But she's just been like totally unplugged from her life, like as far as like love and being a mother and stuff like that. She's been completely unplugged from her life. And it's just better that way anyway Because she was too in and out Like she'll come She'll see her like once in a while

And then just like disappear for a year Then all of a sudden she's calling me Oh you don't let me see my daughter You're you're an animal You're like keeping me from her I'm like listen if you want to see a daughter Just ask me stop crying on the phone You know stop giving me like a hard time

You know And I just completely cut her off Because she just she kept doing it you know Right She's playing the victim Yeah So I So once you, let's get back to the gang thing.

Like, how long were you, or the, what was, I was crib for like 12 years. No, no, no, I mean the, the motorcycle. Motorcycle, I was all together probably like, I want to say like 12 years, something like that. And was it, would you say it was, the click? Yeah, the click was the auto club. And then I was in TR after that. I don't like to say their full name out because they just had a case on the news and all that. But I don't like to say their full name out because I'm establishing myself as a brand.

Yeah. And I don't want anybody to say that I'm using them to get popular because I didn't need them to do any of that stuff, you know? Yeah. So you were with them for a few years? Like six years. And then, but what, why did you like drop out of that or step back? I had went nomad. I had a mentor.

And this guy was like teaching me so much about life. I was telling him like your knowledge is not biker knowledge. It's life knowledge. He was like very like, like that Native American spiritual vibe type stuff, but in a manly way. And he would just talk about things about life. And he would give speeches. I used to have it all online, but I took it off. Those things got hundreds of thousands of views.

All just all of us vested up. And he's like talking about stuff, talking about brotherhood, like the way it should be. Well, things got corrupt and they wound up pushing him out the door. People got jealous because he got too powerful. and when you get powerful like that and you have your own breakaway like a nomad where you could have as many people as you want down with it and you're not in the same state you can get big and get powerful and i'm doing youtube and people are like yo how do i get down with your club and stuff like that so he's like you know we're growing fast you know so um he just got too powerful and i say it was like the 48 laws of power never outshine the master right that was the perfect situation where he outshine the master too much they got just jealous of him. He got too larger than life. And what he would do is when he would speak, his words were so powerful that, like, I told him, man, I remember one day he was giving a speech and everybody was like, wow, that's so deep. And I saw the president looking at him, the bigger

president. And he was like, just had like a little envy. Like, I don't have that kind of, like, people don't gravitate around me like that, you know? And I saw it. And I was like, bro, you have to be careful. Your words are powerful, you know? And he's like, yeah, but everything I'm talking about is like positive. I was like, it doesn't matter, bro. I seen, bro, looking at you, like, jealous, you know. You got to be careful, bro. And I told him never outshine the master, you know. No, that's a perfect, that 48 laws of house.

Perfect. Perfect example. What's funny is that that was, by the way, that that's something I've mentioned to Colby. I never did it. Where I actually thought about going through each law and doing like a video of the 48 laws of how, like, explain it and then give different examples of how it's happened in my life. or this is why this resonates with me and you end up with like that you might end up with an hour

or two hour video but from your perspective that might be even better I actually did that I did the 48 laws of MC power okay yeah but I wasn't the creator that I am now

so I didn't do it as good you know I was kind of reading it and then I didn't connect it like I should have people asked me to revisit I was doing it law one as an episode

or two as episode but it is a great idea but then you could add them all together yeah hey sorry to interrupt the video just want to let you guys know that we're going to have an extra 15 or 20 minutes of content on my Patreon. It's $10 a month for about an hour's worth of extra content every single week.

Back to the podcast. It's funny because like growing up when I was in my teens and 20s, you know, you would hear people say like, oh, they're jealous or they're that. And I never really saw that. I never really saw that type of thing until I got older and opened, you know, opened a brokerage business and started hiring people. and then like as a kid I didn't really see those things but as you get older and get into business

or you especially see it in prison with grown men but you see that jealousy and you're like he doesn't like him like why don't you like and they can't actually tell you sometimes they'll even just make up reasons to not like the person and you're like and then you start to realize people like he's just jealous bro you start to realize like you're justifying your jealousy by making up things about this guy

who's just a decent guy. And it's funny because, you know, you're growing fucking man. Yeah. I was just about to say that anytime I look back on my life and I had somebody that I endeared as a best friend that always would tell people bad stuff about me and I never understood why certain people didn't like me. And I realized it was because he was always saying bad stuff about me and I just didn't catch it.

You know, and then as I got older I started having some real friends that are like, yo, what's up with him? He was just telling me this and said, I'm like, what? I'm like, we're so close. why would he say that like you know and it's just like i don't know what it is certain people get obsessed with you you know especially if you have that friend that it's like he almost acts like he's your girlfriend or something like he gets jealous of your relationship with other people yeah it's yeah and it's not it's not like a fucking gay thing it's just weird people get

possessive yeah but yeah 48 law the power right that's a that's a great that those are you know some of them aren't they don't they don't sound great some of them sound kind of sinister but there's a truth in them overall. Well, power is not about being a good guy. It's about winning, you know? Right. Yeah. So once you got, so you got out, you started the YouTube, your YouTube

channel, and it's got like 50,000 views, right? Or subscribers, right? At that time? No, I don't know. What does it have now? 6151,000. Oh, what did we look at that had 50? We were looking at something that had 50. Who did we look up? Is it Gomez, maybe? Oh, yeah, you're right. It was. It was Gomez.

That's right. No, no, you're right. You've got like 600. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I have two channels. My Sosa Ghost channel is that, like, 80-something thousand. I hardly drop on it, but it's more of my stuff riding around doing stuff like that. Oh, that's what we were looking at. Yeah. Sosa-Ghosta-Gose. Yeah. Oh, yeah. How much is that? What's that? That's a lot. That's, uh, 80-something thousand? Maybe that was it. Yeah. My main channel is Demons Row, though. I remember you were telling me about, like, branding my name as opposed to branding a company. But Demons Row has about, like 651,000 I think right now or something like that okay yeah I told you that we looked at the wrong long yeah I know I'd seen it because that was the one we were talking about the cover the thumbnails yeah I was talking about the thumbnails were super good like like they're really like

they're they're they're definitely not YouTube thumbnails they're definitely like biker driven oh it's actually 661 K 6061 and the thumbnails are great you know I've always had that like doing that are you doing the thumbnail yeah I do the thumbnails but now I got a guy that is like helping me now yeah he's good you can tell like about two I'll plug you in if you like that stuff but my stuff is like more comic booky yeah but it's it's a darker

grittier it's really not like gritty gritty but it's it's a hars are very funny you know ours are you know or you know I'm saying like they're kind of they're the YouTube big I was call them the big heads because I'd watch a video with the guy call him big heads he's like you got do big heads I call it the YouTube face or whatever yeah yeah I don't typically

make the faces I didn't be older ones now we do kind of a it's a you know you'll be facing and I'm facing and then we do kind of something in between and so like like a Lex Freeman type deal or Joe not like like Joe Rogan yeah yeah yeah I hate to say Joe Rogan but yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm talking about yeah like almost like a clip style yeah yeah yeah photo photo and then something in the middle that's but we typically do both we do both people but but I put myself in because you know initially when I started the channel it was it was just inside true crime yeah but you know Colby has looked at the analytics and he's like nobody's looking up inside true crime they're all looking up

matt cox mat cox mack's con man it was all a combination of me or the bulk of it and it was like so so i was like well and then danny had told me danny's the guy you know concrete um so danny had told me he's like you got a you you need because he had looked at some of the thumbnails and he was like look every thumb thumbnail needs to have you need to brand you know you did brand you yeah and um so do you feel weird about having your name out there though Because, like, the way the hackers could, like, if they have your name, then if they hack something, they know half the battle to, like, hacking an account or something like that. Yeah, but I'm already, I'm so out there at this point. Oh, yeah. So you just embrace that. Yeah. I've got so many articles about me. There's so many, you know, there's TV programs. There, you know, it's like you go, I was talking about, you go to prison.

Or when I was a prison, there were all these guys that were, you know, they were con men. Yeah. And they're all trying to figure out how to bury their name, you know, bury it, change their name legally. I'm legally going to change my name. and I'm going to do this or I'm going to hire Reputation.com and they're going to bury all the articles and it's like first of all you sound like you're working on another case like you know and and so me I was like with the only guy who was like no I'm going to lean into it like I'm going to say yeah what I'm going to tell people I'm a con man you know what's crazy um I don't know if you know Kathy Hochel she's the government of governor of New York I think I think that I'm actually not a felon right now I think New York is so corrupt with the Democrats that they

actually, they made it, well, I don't call it corrupt. I got love for Kathy Houcher, but because I'm not like a Democrat type guy. I like Trump, but like she saved my life because if it's true, she said anything after eight years, automatically gets expunged. So I was trying to look up for years. Wouldn't that be nice? And it's crazy. No, she did it in New York.

I know. I'm saying for me. Oh, yeah, yeah. Florida. You got the Sanchez. No, no, not Florida. I got the federal government. Oh, you got fed.

Yeah, never let you go. Yeah. The president would have to say you're, you're not a felon anymore. That's not going to happen. Yeah, but I don't know if it's true yet. I'm going to try to purchase a gun and then if they, you'll hear about it. Oh, I wouldn't do that. Well, they said everything's expunged.

Yeah, but I would reach out for it. Because here's what will happen is you'll, I knew a guy, I was locked up. I've been locked up with a couple guys that's happened. They filled it out. They gave him the gun. Two weeks later, the ATF shows up and arrest them. Oh, yeah, they would love to get me on to. Right.

And even filling, keep on when you're filling it out, the paperwork says you're not a fella. They expunged. They got expunged. But you could reach out to. You can reach up to the public defender's office and just talk to a public defender, and they'll look it up. They'll go, oh, look it up right now. Or they'll know what's going on. They'll go, no, no, no, no.

She did say that. And you're right. Here's specific crimes. I'll fax you over this. Fill out this paperwork. Send it in. And if it's acceptable, it'll go in front of a judge and he'll sign off on it. Like, it's not going to necessarily.

I mean, it may. Maybe it's just for jobs. Like, it won't show anymore, but you can't get a gun or something, you know? Yeah. That's some real bullshit, too, because, listen, the gun thing. like, first of all, I'm a white-collar criminal. I've never done anything violent my life, right? So the idea that I can't have a weapon to protect yourself.

I don't want to drive around. I don't want to have a concealed weapon. So if you want to limit me, okay. But if someone's kicking in my front door, what am I going to do? Use bad language? Like, I would like to have a weapon. Do you know that in New York, if someone kicks in your door and you shoot them, you're going to jail?

You're not, you're not. It's no self-defense in New York. You're going to go to jail. They're going to say you could have did something else You should have ran out the house or something Not you know in Florida Yeah in Florida No you leave them

They're telling you're asking you to execute him Shoot them make sure he's dead So we don't have to go through too much paperwork Wow I mean they don't care That's crazy What was it? I love the one

Grady Jud one where he was asked by one of the reporters They were like There was a guy who had barricaded himself in a house And was shooting at the police From inside it was a trailer From inside like a trailer Yeah And they said why did your deputy

unload, you know, or fire 180 rounds into the house. And he said, because they ran out of bullets. And he said, he said, listen, he said, evil can't be dead enough. He said, they were shoot. He was barricaded. He shot at our deputies. He said, he chose that. He chose to get into a fight out.

He said, now he knows. Yeah. I mean, you know, like he's, you know, they're harsh. Yeah. But they're also the guys that I want showing up. Yeah. You know what I mean? You like Grady, Josh?

You know, I like the videos I see, whether they're 100% accurate. I don't necessarily believe everything that anybody says. I heard he's done a lot of good. I know I get heat when I said, what I said about the pagans, I got a lot of heat. But I'm not a type of person that does stuff. Because I know my crowd is like pretty much a pro-Trump crowd. A lot of bikers, believe it or not, are very conservative. Yeah.

But they don't like to talk about politics, but they're not left at all, you know? Right. So a lot of people defended Grady Judd. It was weird to me, but, you know, it is what it is. I'm not one of those people that says things for people to like it or whatever. I just say my opinion. That's always been my problem. I think that there's always, it's never, it's never clear.

And keep mind, he's doing, he's doing, what do they call him? What is it? He's doing a little clip, right? Like, he's trying to sum it up in a little clip. So it gets views and it gets, you know, he loves the camera. So he's, he's simplifying and he's trying to, but let's face it, most of the time, they come out, they say all this stuff, and then when they get into it, next thing, you know, it's like, we've got to drop this guy from the case, this guy from this case. It's like, wait a minute, the article said there was 110 guys or there were 70 guys, and they were all of RICO and cut this guy loose, cut this guy loose.

Next thing, you know, it's down to six guys who, and maybe it has nothing to do with whatever they were saying. It's, you know, there's sound bites. He gets more pressed than any sheriff I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Look, I know he's like 30 minutes down the road. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. He's a Polk County. It's the next county over.

Oh, yeah. I heard about that. People were like, don't ever come to Polk County. I'm like, why would I go to Polk County anyway? Well, I mean, the whole thing is, you know what's so funny, I got a ticket. I've gotten one ticket since I got out of prison. And, well, actually this was, this was a, I'm going to say he was a, it was highway patrol. But I mean, this guy was a nicest guy. He came running out, you know, to the side door, you know, not on this. I ran up when I rolled down. I said, hey, I said, do you need my, my, you know, registrations? He said, no, no, I already pulled it up. I said, do you need my license? You go, nope, already pulled it up, already looked you up. You're good.

He said, just want to let you know. He said, I should be giving you a ticket for this. That's a $412 ticket. You were going X amount of over the speed limit. He said, not going to do that. He said, I'm going to give you one for improper, you know, whatever, not following a sign or something. He's like, that's only a $200 and $10 ticket. He said, I know it's expensive.

He said, if you let me write that up, he said, I'll write that up instead of the other one what do you want to do i said okay i'll be right back ran up came back he said here just sign here sign here you know sign here boom pulled it off he said that's it you can go to traffic school this i mean it was the fastest ticket i'd ever got i didn't show him anything you know i'm used to being before in before going to prison yeah things weren't automated i got to show you my my registration i got to show you i got proof of insurance i got to show you my driver's license he's like no no no i already go all right pull this pull this pull this you're fine just sign here okay cool and left I went to traffic school and got it taken off.

But, you know, every interaction, I'm overly polite to everybody. So if I get pulled over, if I have any interaction with anybody, I'm always just, you know, extremely polite. I think that when you become, you know, you get belligerent, you know, they pull up and you're belligerent. Next thing you know, they're dragging out of the cars. Like, how much am I going to let you be rude and disrespectful to me when I'm an officer of the law? And, you know, you see some of these videos where... In New York, they spit at them. They do crazy stuff.

Yeah, that'd be a mistake here. Yeah, they bully the cops in New York now. But then the cops here, honestly, sometimes they'll be just complete power-hungry pricks. You know, you're just going to have an asshole. Anytime you give somebody power, somebody's... There are so many times where you see those videos, you're like, that dude shouldn't be a cop. I agree. You know?

Like the flight attendants during the pandemic, they were straight up Nazis. Right. I remember I was like going to California and they were telling us to, oh man, thinking about that time just annoys me. You had to wear the mask and then they give you the snacks and they tell you take a bite and then put the mask back up. I told the lady, I was like, can you go away? I'm not going to, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to eat like everybody else and then I'll put it back on. And she told the pilot on me and stuff.

And I was like, listen, I paid. I was like, bro, you're not authority to me. I paid to get on this flight. Like, you're not like my boss or something like that. like you don't pay my bills and he was like he was like you know you could get a lot of trouble for this i was like uh no and i actually no i didn't do anything wrong actually you're doing something wrong and we had like a little argument and when i was getting off the plane they try to like reprimand me like pay all this money you pay 700 dollars for tickets or whatever

it is that they charge and then they're going to give you a hard time like it's that that time period was like the twilight zone i hated that time but you know it's funny i caught a lot of Heat for saying that on my show one time I was talking about LEMCs, like police officer motorcycle clubs. They call them law enforcement motorcycle clubs, LEMCs. And I was saying that people got mad at me. I said, anytime I ever got in trouble with the law, it's because I did something. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. So I was like, I don't like when people do this victim thing, like, oh, the police are out to get you. Listen, there might be some cops that are dirty. I've seen it, you know. But anytime I got in. trouble, I did something. And people don't have that accountability. They want to be like, oh, the police are corrupt. That's why I didn't do nothing. Like, come on, bro. Oh, listen, I love the videos

where the body cam videos where you've got some little, some chick who doesn't want to give you her driver's license and you don't have any right. Who do you think you are? And they're yelling and it's like, you're turning a traffic stop into you being arrested right now. And the cop explains and she's mouse off and he explains again, mouse off, and I'm thinking, before those body cams, when I was growing up, they'd already yanked you out of the car. You're lucky he's got a body cam. And then I get to a point where I'm like, yank her out of the fucking car. Like, I'm yelling.

I'm looking at the video going, oh, hell no. You've got more than enough reason to say, all right, that's it. You're going to jail, you know? And then they grab them. They start screaming and they say, ah, you can't touch me. Yeah. And it's like, are you insane? Yeah, it's crazy.

You're about to be dragged across the pavement, shoved in the back of the car. What did you do? You had to give me your driver's license. That was it And you've got a driver's license Yeah Like you're just What are you insane

You know what's crazy I noticed when you live Where there's more money There's less respect for cops It's more like they work for us But when you're at the hood Where I grew up They're the dominant force you know

I mean I was just always Super polite Like I'm just super polite to everybody I'm like that too yeah And I have so You know it's I have so few problems with people As a result of that

So you know these guys Who want to tell the cops How they do their job and you can't this and you can't that and you who are you you know it's like bro he's he just wants to give you fucking ticket you ran a red light you it's pretty clear you ran the light like what are you doing that's why i don't try to talk out of tickets none i'm just like here i'll just pay it and whatever you know i don't got time for it you know yeah i go to traffic to i'm good yeah um so what else so what so are your the youtube channel like that's your

your soul is that that's it yeah what you do yeah the website how many how many the website? What do you mean? I have demons road.com and I sell like motorcycle merch and stuff like that. And then the YouTube. Yeah, that's what I do full time. Who does the designs for the, do they T-shirts and stuff? Yeah, T-shirts. But I have this mask that it, I don't know, it was like a blessing from God. Like I had this mask because everybody, I don't know why, but I always got to be the one that does something different from everybody else. I have this thing where I just, I don't want to be the same as everybody else. So everybody was like wearing a bandana over their face or whatever. And I got this like zonom.

zombie skull-type mask, and I just rode with it for years, and everybody always said, where'd you get that from? I want one like that, and it just didn't exist anymore. It was the craziest thing. So I found it out how to get it, reproduce, and then now I reproduce and I sell it. So it's like hotcakes. Do you do the reproductions yourself, or you have a company? Yeah.

Oh, is it a script? No, no, not like physically myself. Yeah, I paid yet to get it done, yeah. I was going to say, like, a screen print or something, because I do screen prints and stuff. Oh, you do? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. I'd love to design, like, my own t-shirts.

So you have the machine to print it? Yeah. Okay, so there is a machine you can get, but you can just order the screen and just lay it over there. That's smart. I should do that. I need the machine. And at some point, I would love to come up with a design that I like well enough. And then I'll just screen print, you know, whatever, 50 every single weekend or something.

And then you have them stacked up. And I'd love to be able to do it. especially doing it myself, right? Like, I'd love to do it myself because then I could, when I talk, you know, if I'm trying to sell them, I can say, hey, I screenprinted all of these myself. Yeah. And people will like that, build out. Holy shit.

Yeah. Instead, you have to go to a company. And then the other thing is I need a decent shirt material. Yes. Because some of them suck. I know. I know. So you don't want to sell merchandise that you wouldn't wear yourself.

Yeah. I had that happen. I was using T-spring for a while. And people were supporting it. And I was mortified. at the pictures I was getting, they would have, like, they would have the ghosting on and it would be like slightly to one side. I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah. What are they doing to my brand? You know, like, it was crazy. But T-Spring is, is connected with YouTube. Yeah. So it looks good,

but, you know, and then they're like, oh, it's, you know, it's 100% cotton shirt. It is 100% cotton shirts. A hundred percent cotton shirts suck. Yeah. You know, like nobody's wearing 100% cotton. They don't fit well. Like, you need a little bit of spandex or right, whatever it is, Rayon or whatever in there. No, I agree. Yeah. You know, Colby doesn't know. When you, when you work out, then you know, you want it to sit, you know, a certain way. You wanted to, yeah, it's got to hug you a certain way. So all your, so are you, but are you interviewing people yet on the channel? Yeah, I, I just finished one of my biggest interviews. I interviewed George Christie, the former Hells Angel. I, my biggest interview is Jr. from the Mongols, Scott Jr. Erickson. He wrote like two books,

saying he's like infamous because he like killed the hell's angel years ago and he's like one of the pillars that made the mongos a dominant club that grew because he took a stand they took a stand against the hell's angels in california so that's how they expanded because if not they would like you know not existed or they would have got wiped out like a lot of clubs did you know back in those days you know so they were like what they were just going in and incorporating them in the hell's angels or they were saying yeah they would they would make them flip over or they would shut them down or make them a support club you know i i said i had i had had an interview with Jason Momoa. It was, it was over Zoom, which I hate. I think you agree with

me on Zoom. Oh, yeah. I can't. I can't say it. But it's like if the guy's not, he can't come, he's in, you know, I'm doing guys that have, they have an ankle monitor. Yeah, I know. I'm not coming. I know. You know, and it's like, and they're willing to do it. And the nice thing about Zoom is that, you know, this, this is a production. Like you know, Colby has to be here. We have to set everything up. Like, it's a whole thing. Like, even if you and I talk for two hours, it's a four hour deal. You know, he shows up early, we set up everything, he goes through everything, you know. But the nice thing about Zoom is you put it down and you click the button and, you know, you talk for an hour and a half and you click the button and it's done.

It's over. Nobody has to show up. I can literally, I get ready five minutes, three minutes beforehand. That's it. The only thing is that the Zoom, well, I guess that's not used. You just don't get the views. You just don't get the, you know, this can be two hours easily or three hours as opposed to a zoom. Zooms, it's a struggle to get it to go to two hours.

Because you're kind of listening and then you're like, you don't want to interrupt, so then you answer. And then you're like, what would you say? And I just don't. I don't like Zoom. Yeah, it's less of a conversation, I would say. Yeah. Or someone just one-sided. It's a vibe, too.

We're like vibing. You know, we're actually looking at each other talking. So it's just way easier to have a conversation, you know? And people don't want to watch them. For some reason, and I've got lots of people in the comments because I read the comments constantly. Yeah. And they'll say, yo, bro, like I want to support your channel. I love your stuff.

But every time I see a Zoom, I just can't, or a remote podcast, I just can't do it. Yeah. The only time I could, like, mess with a Zoom is, like, if the quality is there and the audio and everything is like, you know, like, some of the big YouTubers do it sometimes. But it got to be like, you know, like, I don't even know. Like, I don't even think Trump does that that much. Like, even when he interviews, he actually goes and sits down most of the time. But I mean, you need a big guess. Like we've had, we've had, we've had, we've never had an in-person video that we have not posted, but we have had Zoom interviews that we just haven't posted because the quality on the other side is just so bad.

Yeah. Where it's just like, it's not even worth it. We actually had someone who was a diamond thief, um, a jewel thief. His internet connection was so bad. It just like it wasn't, we posted it. Eventually. And it got like 10,000 maybe. But if he had been here, it could have been easily been 50, 100,000.

Yeah. Yeah. Just because just one story after another. But it was just, it was just shit. And I was going to say the other thing is, well, one, the connection, but two, like, you know, these guys don't have the setup. So the audio's bad half the time. Yeah. And then, you know, they'll have a light behind them or you can see their dirty clothes on their bed behind them.

Or you can see, you know, it's just somebody's walking on it in the background. It's like that initial perception. If somebody sees it, they're just like, ah, what is this? You know, just another pop. Anybody can do Zoom. So it's just, you know. Hey, real quick, just wanted to let you guys know that we're looking for. guests for the podcast. If you think you'd be a good guest, you know somebody, do me a

favor. You can fill out the form. The link is in our description box. Or you can just email me directly. Email is in the description box. So back to the video. When I interviewed Jason Mamoa, he was in the woods. He's just like out there, like holding his phone. And I'm like, if I would have to sit down, my channel would have blew up, you know, like, yeah. But that's also him. I think he will expect him. Yeah, they do. He's kind of a free spirit. He was, he was in, I think he was in England at the time. He was shooting fast and the furious. He promised me that when he goes to California, which he's in California right now,

that I could go see his warehouse and, like, get footage of the motorcycles and stuff, and we could do, like, a real one. But he's so busy. Like, it's hard, you know? So how that interview come about? All right. So I interviewed his national president, Cliff, from Red Rum MC. They have an indigenous club and it's all over.

And Jason Mom was a member of this club. What's an indigenous club? What did you mean? Indigenous, like Native Americans, all that stuff, like the tribes and all that. Okay. Yeah. So in that club, Jason was in Italy shooting something, and he had a video with the Hells Angels. So he had like a support shirt on.

So I did a video. I was like, you know, talking about Jason Momoa being around the Hells Angels and stuff like that. And his club gave him a lot of backlash because it's like, if you're in a, if you're in a club, you can't wear support gear of another club. So he was wearing support gear of the Hells Angels It's kind of saying like It kind of makes your club look like an underclub Right You know what I mean?

So he got on the show to clear the air Like listen I just got love for everybody I didn't know You know because he was new to the club And stuff like that And we just talked about that And like just different things Of his life and stuff like that

Yeah But he's a cool dude Very eccentric you know He's like the person that That you see in the media That's how he really is Yeah Yeah he's really like that

Yeah, no, I got some questions, I guess, I got a few questions, more so as it pertains to, like, the biker gangs and things like that, like, I mean, a lot, really. I guess first, like, how do you even, like, get into one? Like, is there, like, restrictions for certain people, like, wouldn't be able to get in, or? Are you saying for the 1%? For the 1%? So, like, everybody thinks it's, like, some nefarious thing that you got to do. For an outlaw club, first of all, you got to hang around. they got to get to know who you are you know what i mean and you got to be referred by somebody

it's kind of ify now because so many clubs if you got like 600 bucks and you know you could give them buy your patches and like pay to get in a lot of clubs just want to expand so it's easier it's not like how as rigorous as it used to be but i mean some of the bigger clubs it's hard to get in you know like you got to hang around for a year and then somebody from the club has to say yeah he's you know or if you have a family member in there it's easier because they can really vouch for you but um you just you got a prospect you know and prospecting sucks you got to like be on call and they're calling you constantly look you got to go over here you got to do this and you always got to be on your bike no matter the weather you know and in the east coast the weather's rough

you know so riding a bike when it's 30 degrees is it's rough you know when you say do this or do that what does that mean cleaning up you know and a lot of times when you're a prospect too if you're going somewhere you have to show them that you know you're built like that you know so Um, if you're a prospect and, and you're going to an event and something happens, you know, another club you have problems with, they're watching to see how you react and stuff like that, you know. So it's not that you have to do something to get in. But when you do, it's like, all right, he's, he's built for this, you know. So it's a lot of that. It's a lot of bartending, cleaning up, you know, because you, you have your clubhouse and like, you know, they'll sell drinks or whatever. And, you know, you would clean up. Some have to bartend, stuff like that. And just a lot of cleaning. Why? watching bikes and stuff. If you go somewhere, they got to be the ones watching the bikes, stuff like that, you know? Yeah, I was going to say it's like, it makes me think of Zach when he talks about putting in work in the pen, which he never did. He's like, he's like, I got so lucky.

My buddy, have you ever seen who Zach is? He's a friend of mine, he's a black guy that we were, we did, you know, we were in prison together. And, but as I went down in custody, he went up. And he's a white collar guy. Like, he's harmless. You know what I'm saying? But he was in the pen and they were like, yeah, you got to do put in work. And he's like, what do I have to do?

And there, it's him and a couple of guys had to go, like, beat someone up. He's like, but luckily, I'm pretty sure I remember this, right? Like, the other guys, you know, punched the guy and then punched him. And he's like, I was ready to, but the guy went down or whatever happened was, he's like, but I didn't do anything. He's like, but when it was over, he's like, they were, it was like, I was there, like, I had participated in this beat down. He was, which I never did anything. Yeah. He's like, but then he said, but then I had like this reputation.

of at least of he was there, he helped us, he this, and he said, but I didn't do nothing. He's like, I never really had to do anything, but it appeared that I did, or even your willingness to. I know a 1% club member that did that several times. It was a time where we had an altercation with a rival club, and I felt the people that were with me were not seeing anything, and this club was kind of like bullying a little bit. So I'm a prospect of this time, so I step up, and I was like, listen, whatever was going on before I got here, it's over now.

We could just handle it right now. You know what I mean? Like, it's a different day right now. And they see the look in my eyes like, we're not playing these games no more. So when that happened, this guy stands next to me. And he gets the same kind of praise I get at the table. Right.

Yo, you really did your thing, so's. But then they're giving him props too. All he did was like, once I handled everything, said all the craziness that would get us into a situation, and they didn't do anything about it, he stands next to me. And they're like, oh, great job. And then there was another prospect that was like,

He's behind you going, yeah, what he said. Yeah. And he didn't even say that. He just stood next to me and looked serious. Why is he getting the same props? You know, but then he did the same thing with another member. There was an altercation. This prospect was somebody that was a Latin king before, so he was active.

You know, some of us came from gangs before, so we were like used to just not having those sit downs and stuff in clubs. It's a lot of sit downs. But if you come from the gang world, it's just like react right away. So it's helpful when you're new You get reputation fast But he did that where one of the members Swung on somebody He was not even the one who swung on a person

And he took credit Like oh yeah we beat him up or whatever And he was getting all the credit And other people that were like Nah He's the one who did it You know It's just like I hate when people

Try to take credit for other people You know So is there actually like a A clubhouse? Is that a meeting house? Yeah clubhouse Yeah Is there a clubhouse?

Yeah, it depends on how small your chapter is, but the chapters I was in always had clubhouses, yeah. Do they, what is, I mean, is there like a membership fee? Like, how does it be, how do you pay for? Yeah, you pay news monthly. It's either $50 a month or $100 a month. Yeah, everybody pays dues. And then, like, at the end of the year,

you pay, like, more dues to the nationals. So the mother chapter gets like, you know, the mother chapter is the first chapter that started the club. It's where the power sources of the club where they keep it. And, you know, in mother, you send them money at the end of the year, too. So they use it for whatever they use it for. There's a lot of scamming that goes on with that money, too,

like presidents and treasurers working together to, like, keep money. It's a lot of corruption. Well, so the clubhouse is at someplace like, like, you know, what's just so funny is like I, either, of course, most of the guys that I met were in prison. So they were doing something criminal, you know what I mean? So they don't have real jobs. But then some of them were like,

they're like regular like they've got construction companies or they own a, you know, a bowling alley or they, you know, they've got like real jobs. Yeah, everybody had jobs. There was probably like one person I know or maybe like two or three that hustle but it was their own thing or whatever.

But that's how to get you on the RICO because if you, if this one person gets too big and then he gets caught out and he starts talking with other members on the phone, they're like, oh, put hang the vest up, lock him up, his friends. And then they call it like, oh, we got this club for this whatever but it really the club wasn't making money off of it that's what

happens 99% of the time or there chapters somewhere that like they function together like yeah let's get money we're a brotherhood let's get money yeah i mean i'm sure but it's not as widespread as people think um mike hudson is a guy that i actually what's his video guy oh it's it's uh i mean a hundred a couple hundred thousand which is his you know his story like it's really his story and his, it's really his mother's, his mother and her two sons, which was Mike and Doug Hudson, and several other guys, and they were basically a crew that his mother ran in the 70s and 80s who were importing like, you know, and it turned into, which it always does. But prior to kind of going and shipping stuff in, you know, he was a member of, or he never,

he never became a member. He was a prospect with the, the dirty dozen. And actually, I don't In Arizona? Yeah, in Arizona. I don't even think it was a dirty dozen at that time. Was it Hell's Angels? No, no. It wasn't Hell's Angel. Actually, I think it was a good.

You know, Sonny Barger, he moved to Arizona, took the dirty dozen, and flipped them to Hell's Angels. So all the dirty dozens became Hell's Angels. Okay, but when he was there, I think it was dirty dozen. Dirty dozen, yeah. But his, like, he didn't have a job. He was, and he always says, I was the number one Harley Davidson Thief from 1972 to 19, you know, whatever it was.

Listen, he's a fuck. I'm going to send you the video, bro. Yes, I'm going to check it out. He's got, he's a character. But he has so many stories about stealing motorcycles. Oh, wow. And, and, you know, and he had his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, one of his bikes won, like the, it won the Arizona, such and such. You know, you got, he, you see him, he's hilarious, but, um, but frightening.

Um, so anyway, he, uh, he has this one story. You should interview him, bro. Like, I know, the problem is. problem is this is he's a long distance trucker now still on probation he must drive his fucking p o nuts but um and getting him to a point where you can like it took us months to coordinate where i could get him like you getting him in front of you and then as far as figuring out the technology of doing this zone you would need to do him in person i wouldn't do a zone yeah well i promise you you couldn't he'll never figure it out he'll never do it like he'll you and you could you

said hey i got somebody you have to be here at this time that's not going to happen either um But if you could get him, he'll go on for three hours. And it's nothing but one. And I mean great story because he's got 40 years, 30, 40 years. He's been in prison. He went into Arizona State prison. He's been in prison in Florida, I think twice. Arizona once.

He's been in the Fed twice. And this is insane. My favorite story of his, though, as far as stealing bikes, he had a buddy, I think, lumpy. So lumpy, you know, they all know you're stealing bikes, right? And Lumpy's like, hey, you know, he'd give him, he said, I'd give him like $200. And people will find, they call me up, say, I got a bike for you. And it lumpy calls him up and says, man, there's a guy who's got a whatever Harley Davidson. And he keeps it, he keeps it in the back.

And he's like, okay, he's got a dog. He's like, well, I'll come, I'll let me come take a look. So he drives by and takes a look, sees the bike. It's actually out there where he said, I see it. He said, but he says he puts it in the back. So he's got a dog, dog barks, whatever. So he said, I waited until, like, the coldest day of the year when he took the dog, had to take, like, the dog inside. Wow.

He's like, I mean, it's like, he said, it's record lows. And he goes, and he has to slowly work the bike, yeah, slowly back it out and eventually walks it all the way up a hill and down a hill. What? And then he starts it. And he said, then I actually drove it by the guy's house. That's dedication right there. So, like, two, three weeks later, Lumpy calls him again. He goes, the guy's got another bike.

He got his insurance money from the bike. He just bought a brand new bike. So Mike goes there. He drives by. And they drive by. Let me see. He goes, they drive by. And he goes, let me out.

He's like, what are you doing? You're doing it now. He said, I'm going to do it right now. He said, are you fucking serious? The bike is parked in the front yard. So he goes right up, or I think in the carport, whatever. He said, literally, I walk up. He said, the front or the door, the carport is cracked.

He is, I can see the guy's feet on the ottoman. He's watching like, I love Lucy or whatever, some show. So Andy Griffin or something, and he's like, I take the bike, you know, I take slowly put the, the, you know, the kick stand up or whatever. He's like, I slowly back it out. I slowly walk it up. Do you know how hard it is to do that, like not starting a bike up, just walking it like that? Yeah, no, it's how I know. To get out of somewhere.

But he, and he's talking about, he does the whole thing. Like, I had to back it up and they was wedged here and I do this and do this. He's like, and at one point, the guy actually sits down, walks over, changes the channel, turns around. He's like, and I'm just sitting there like, holy shit. Like if he turns around the wrong way, he might see me, he does it, turns around it. So he's got this whole thing, walks the bike up the hill gets there. He said, has a problem starting the bike. He's like, I'm like, but by the time he finally gets it started, he comes up the hill, and goes right down.

The guy runs out with like a 45 or something, runs out and he, wah, and the guy's pointing the gun. Listen, I remember, I feel like the first time I heard the story, he fired the gun. But when he was here, Mike goes, I go, did he fire the gun? Because I remember thinking he had fired the gun. He's not, no, he didn't fire the gun. So he's, he said, but he said, I remember, he said, when he's driving by the house, Lumpy was still in his little Ford Pinto or whatever he was driving. He's in his car.

And he said, or standing on the side of the road. He said, I remember Lumpy the whole time going as he drives by, because he drove by, like, But listen, Mike's got one story after them. And he was a prospect. He never did end up becoming, because he said something had happened where a whole slew of guys got arrested, not from his club, but from like another club. And the feds were, this is when they were really cracking down on all the clubs. And he said, you know, he said that the chapter president, whatever, had come in and

called everybody together and was telling everybody like, listen, you got to stop. doing this. You got to stop it. You with the motorcycle. Stop. Like, I'm not going to prison for 20 years like so-and-so did over here. He's like, because you guys are fucking around. He's like, put the kibosh on it. And Mike was just like he said, yeah, I'm done. Like, I

can't. This is what I'm doing. I'm getting six or eight hundred bucks every motorcycle. This is how I'm making money. And I think that's, I could be wrong, but I think that. But he'd be a great. He would be great. Yeah, that would be a good one. What is he? 67 years old or something? It's pretty old. He'd get him on the load up to the Northeast and tell him stuff over.

My fan base is a lot of like 18 to 24 and they love the old timers. I was going to say they love him though. You don't understand. Yeah, they love the old timers. Like they asked for it. They asked for old timers. Yeah. He's got so many.

And back then what people don't realize is you don't get guys like this anymore because here's what happens is as many times as he was busted, went to jail, got back out, went to jail. Got back out. That doesn't happen now. Now you get busted. you do 10 years you get busted again you got 30 years we don't you don't get to build up stories like this because you're just dead um what were you doing youtube when you were a part of the 1% yeah like how was that transition like i guess what when did you decide to leave and do your own thing or like what was that kind of transition period like so yeah i was i started just getting

footage when we were at like events like we were at this event called motorcycle mania and then I would just show footage of like the van and stuff like that. It started like that. Then I started, the Mongols had a big save the patch case. And like Jesse the Body Ventura was a governor at the time. And he like got involved. And he turned out to be a Mongo too. Like he was defending them.

So it was an important thing because if they would have lost that case, they could always, the government could always go after your vest and make it illegal when it's a copyright. Oh, yeah. They were trying to do that. Yeah. Did they do that? No, they didn't work. No, they lost.

Yeah, they lost. Yeah, they were trying to make. these things like illegal for you to have. And I remember thinking that's, you can't do. That's freedom of speech. Like, you're not, you can't tell me what I can have on my, on a t-shirt or wear or anything else. People cut up American flags and use them as clothes.

Like, you can do whatever you want. Like that's. And then, so then I started doing like, um, I remember like, um, Chris Brown got sued by the Hells Angels for having like a jacket that was similar to theirs. So like, I got heath from the club. Oh, you know, the Hells Angels. about a lot. So I talked to the Hells Angels president, spoke to me. And he said, listen, make your money. When you put the vests up, just blur out the S's and it's fine. Nobody cares,

you know? So, like, they were, it was also like, I would go places and people would be like, oh, I love the show. And then, like, somebody else that's like higher up might be like, oh, well, why he's getting all the love? That's not protocol. They're supposed to come up to me first, you know? So it became like a jealousy thing. But like I said, they ran my mentor at a Dodge. And I didn't like the way he did it. And then. I decided to leave the nomads and go back to my regular charter. And when that happened, there was like some, it was just a bad vibe with the new national. We didn't agree on certain things.

So I just left. You know, I was like, you know what? Keep it. I'm going to do my own thing, you know? And I just, you know, I've been, the YouTube was taken off. And I was like, I'm just going to focus on myself right now, you know, and just I was over it, you know. Yeah. I guess I have more questions about more so, like, the day-to-day life or like, or

you know, what do you guys do as a 1% you know, biker club as opposed to like a normal club? Like what is like a month look like or a day look like or like an event look like? It's not as glorious as people make it seem.

You know, you have the parties where there's strippers there and stuff like that. I mean, a lot of riding, going to get something to eat, regular stuff that people do, but just with the bikes, you know? And meetings, a lot of brothers just arguing over stuff that doesn't really add up to anything anyways. But the bigger clubs

are talking about like bigger moves and, you know, problems with other clubs. A lot of it was like tensions with other clubs and we're talking about it and stuff. But they would do family stuff too. I remember when my daughter's birthday had came up, like we had a support club, a female support club and they did the best birthday party forever. Those girls, I still love them to this day for doing that. Like, I thought it was just going to be a little get-together. we cut a cake we did at the clubhouse like so many people showed up there like a million gifts they gave her money it was it was nice they do stuff like that too it's it's a lot of like meetings and and going places going to other clubs events because this is the game you go to other clubs events

and then you throw a big event once a year or a couple times a year and then they come to your event so the more clubs events that you go to those clubs are now obligated to come to your event so then they make a ton of money you know that's that's the game what it's really about hey i appreciate you guys watching if you like the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this uh also please share the videos that really helps we have patreon please consider join the patreon we're going to put special content we put a hour sometimes two hours every single week also we're going to put the link for demons or it's demons road dot com but we're also going to just put the link you can go to the description box click the link

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