Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - How a Penny Stock Scam Made $6 Million in One Day

Episode Date: February 21, 2026

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We get this corporation formed and we're going to take it public. So we all start off with a million sheriffs. Okay, a million for you, a million, million, million, million. We were less than six months from going on NASDAQ. So the original guys, okay, we're all, you know, on paper, we're going to be okay. We're never going to have to worry about money, you know. And Lenny tells him, and he goes, Jimmy, you see what happened? What happened?

shit went up like $6 overnight. I'm not well versed in the stock market. I really don't understand everything that's going on. But I know. For penny stock, that's insane. Right. And well, in my, you know, I'm not going to say pre-brain because I do consider myself relatively intelligent.

But in my brain, I'm worth all of a sudden overnight $6 million. Right. 15,000 more dollars. Yeah. Okay, that's how I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about the dollars. And I don't know. It couldn't have been only a couple of days after that.

And I think, and I could be wrong, I think it went to like $17, which for a penny stock is retarded. Right. And, of course, at that point, the SEC came in. And so here's what happened. What year was this? That was 99.

Evidently, now I wasn't there for this, but I believe the guy's name was Al Flores, Elford Flores. He got a hold of Gary tab, which Gary, Gary, if you remember, was the Rodney Dangerfield guy. Right. Okay. He got a hold of Gary, and Gary was a really sharp guy. I don't know how he pulled the wool over his eyes, and they didn't do any research or anything. But he convinces Gary that he had been in Portugal, and he came up with a cure for AIDS.

and not only did he have a cure, it was all natural. But guess what? Government was suppressing it. Absolutely. How did you know that? Pharmaceutical industry, they don't want that. They don't want that. It's all natural.

You can't get addicted to it, and it's going to cure AIDS. They're making tons of money. Pharmaceutical companies making tons of money on their own, right? Their own research and their own products, their own medication. They don't have a cure. They don't have a cure. They don't want a cure. They make more money off of treating it than curing it.

You're right. Sorry, that's the conspiracy theory argument. So, so now I'm, you know, I'm hearing this and I'm like, what? We're car dealers. What do we know about? Well, what's not that we, this guy, oh, he did all this research and blah, blah, blah. And I kind of looked around and I thought, you know what? I need to get rid of some of this stock because something bad is about to happen.

Before I could make any move and get rid of one share even, I get a phone call. and Mr. Sturgis, my name is Jim Warner, and I'm a United States postal inspector. And my infinite wisdom, I didn't know what a postal inspector was. I said, listen, I'm a busy guy, getting this place going, our postage meter works fine, I don't have no issues with a post office, thanks, keep doing a great job, have a good day, hang the phone up. A couple seconds later, you know, I'm getting paged on the intercom system for a phone call. I'm like, who the fuck is it?

Oh, you know, so, you know, my calls are all screen. So it was just, so I started being a little rough again with him. I was like, listen. He's like, no, no, you listen. I think you need to understand exactly what I am. And he says, I need to see you. I'm down the street. He's like 10, 15 minutes away from the, not even, from the, from the car dealership. And he's like, I'm at this restaurant. Now, you've got two choices. whatever he gave me, 15, 20 minutes.

If you're going to come here and talk to me, or I'm going to have four FBI agents come get you, and it's not going to be free. Right. Got my attention. Right. You get arrested in the dealership or you can come, you can be here in 20 minutes.

Well, and listening to you, I realize, and of course, as we get further down to my other fuck-up, you know, normally if you make a mistake or have bad judgment or however you want to put it, you break the law, The cops come put handcuffs on you and you go to jail. Right. Not with the feds.

The feds come and tell you, hey, you fucked up. We're going to come after you. But we're going to let you think about it before we actually act. Well, most people will bury themselves in that period of time. Like, they'll send you a target letter and listen to your phone calls. Listen to your panicked phone calls to all of your buddies. I can't believe it. I never should have done this.

I never should have done that. Well, and I didn't. You know, I, I made. mentioned the pussy and all the partying and this and that. When I would get back to Vegas, I never thought about this. But they would go, I mean, I can't say that. I'm not stupid. I did think about it.

But, you know, here's a check for 10 grand, but it's not all for you. Right. You cash the check. Put three in your pocket. I bring seven back and we'll split it amongst, you know. And I remember, I asked Gary, and, well, Andy left because he knew shit was going to go back.

He was a CFO. He wanted nothing. you know and he left before this whole thing with florist he's like you know what you guys you know you write these checks out to you know i mean what's that 15 000 bonus for and of course guess what it doesn't say matt cox you know it doesn't say colby it says jib surges it's you know that checks made out to me so the the guy says to me says listen you see this where's all this money what do you mean the money. Well, probably gone. What do you mean gone? There's a lot of money here. And so I think

the number they came up with originally about 400 grand that they felt that I owed the federal government. And I said, no, that can't be right. You know, somebody made a mistake here. And it certainly can't be me. Right. Well, you've cashed $400,000 with a checks that were written to you based off of this that came directly out of this company that's a fraud at this point well at this point now it is now it's a problem before now it's not a problem

because and I didn't even tell you all you know and I knew things were a little sketchy when Gary calls his brother I can't remember his name and he comes to Vegas and they tried to I want to say shield me but I think the better word probably be hide it from me because they knew

I wasn't a dummy and you know I would question things but we ended up rent in another office down the road. And guess what went on there? Harvey. Harvey tab. Harvey came up from L.A. And Harvey's specialty was to run a boiler room.

We had, you know, I don't even know, 30, 40, 50 guys, depending on what day, a time you went in there on the phone. Hey, Mr. Cox, this is so-and-so. And I've got a stock offer for you. Yeah, yeah. selling our wolf of wall street so you know we're selling stock but there's so much going out you know i mean i don't know how they truly even valued it meanwhile that's how we're buying dealerships okay we come and say well yeah well what do you want for it oh you want three million

listen i'm going to give you four matter of fact let me make it four and a half right you know i really like you so we'll give you four and a half but i'm not going to give you any cash i'm just going to give you And then the boiler room sells a stock? And the boiler room sells a stock. So and or the dealers like I felt bad for for a guy up in Myrtle Beach. What the hell was his name? I think I think Addy. I think Mike Addy was his name.

But I think it was Addy Dodge in Myrtle Beach. How is that? That's not illegal. It's illegal when it became a pump and dump scheme. And they came in and said we have the cure for AIDS. Well, yeah. it was bad enough they're doing the boiler room thing and I know because they're probably saying it's worth more than it is right I didn't know exactly what they were saying or what they were doing but

I knew that it really wasn't legal to do what they were doing but they're getting away with it they're writing me these big checks all my bills are paid you know I don't have to worry about money I mean I don't have to pay any bills nothing and you know and I'm getting all these bonuses plus I'm getting a weekly paycheck which at that time right before everything came to an end it was stupid money like 5,000 or something a week was my salary. So, couldn't spend the money. Couldn't spend it.

Right. And so anyways, this postal inspector calls, and he's the one that explains to me about the fraud. He said, what do you know about, you know, this floor?

I never even heard the name until you just told me. And he goes, what do you know about the whole AIDS thing? And I said, I don't know nothing. I said, I know what Lenny told me, you know, something about we got a cure and you guys are suppressing it

and, you know, our stock went up and, you know, and he's like, really? That's what you know. And I said, pretty much. And he goes, okay, well, now let's go back to this. What do you know about all this money? I said, well, I cashed some checks. I didn't think it was that much. And he goes, well, I'm pretty sure it is that much.

You know, it's all in black and white. So how did you want to take care of this? And I said, well, what do you mean? How do I want to take care of it? I said, you've got to pay this money back. What are you going to do when you find out that someone has stolen your house? Are you going to go down to the county clerk and explain to them that a fraud has been committed? When you can't find the person that committed the fraud, are you going to go to law enforcement? They're not going to help you. Are you going to go to the government? They're not going to help you. Your only option is to go through the court system on your own and prove to them that a fraud has been committed and you can't even find the person. But with home title lock, You'll be notified of the changes to your title. They'll advocate on your behalf with law enforcement and the courts to restore your ownership status.

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back to the Camaro that I drove to Myrtle Beach. That's what I had left. They gave me, I think I got an hour, maybe two hours to get out of the house of Myrtle Beach. Take what you can get in that amount of time and whatever you don't take, forget about because you're not getting anything else.

You're done. So, at the end of the day, he says to me let's talk about this and I said listen Jim there's really nothing to talk about I really don't know much about that

he goes well much and he goes wait a minute before it was anything I said okay I don't know much of anything you know because I'm not going to put myself in a corner where I lie to him and I said the other thing I'm not going to do is I'm not going to rat out my buddies

you know it's just not who cuts you into this position to begin with right I'm pissed off at him but I'm still not going to going to, you know, and he goes, well, what do you know that you could write him out for? Well, again, I really don't know much. And so we went back and forth to play in this little dance. And finally, he says to me, he goes, you know, it seems like you've been honest.

So we're not going to charge you with anything out of this. And I'm thinking, well, what the fuck you're going to charge me with? You know, I didn't do anything. Right. You know, and he goes, well, you really did. You got securities fraud here. And he said, I said, but I didn't have anything to do with that decision. That's the reason that, you know, we're not.

But we do want to talk about this money. So back and forth we went, and I still insisted that I didn't owe no $400,000. Right. So at the end of the day, when everything's said and done with, I get what I can in the Camaro. $300. And again, I had just, it's just broken bread, but not broke, Brad, but, you know, had, you know, sat with our president, future president, at the table, you know,

uh, had money, you know, now I'm broke. Right. 300 bucks. I got this car. And you just want 400,000 more dollars for me.

None of this is good. So I get back to Daytona. And at the end of the day, the Florees, he got a bunch of time in prison. They confiscated all our stuff. And I don't know how they dispersed it back, but obviously the people that had

real money and they didn't look as me as real money because I had stock. I didn't have, you know what I mean? I didn't buy it. Right. So I got shit. There was nothing to get. I mean, when they liquidated, you couldn't even begin to cover, you know what I mean, what people were paying for a stock, even when they were buying it as a penny stock. Honestly, to this day, I don't know exactly what they did do to Gary or Hank. I don't know. I never tried to contact him after that. I just want to get my life together and figure out what do I do. And so they let me slide, you know, and I, you know, I checked into it further and I just couldn't believe that somebody would be so balzy. And I guess I left this part out. So while he was allegedly doing this

research in Portugal or Spain, it turns out that Mr. Flores was actually in prison in Denver for conspiracy to commit murder for financial gain. You mean, he didn't really, he didn't He didn't really have the cure phrase? I don't even think, I think I probably knew more about a cure phrase than he did. Yeah, I was just a complete scumbag. That's shocking. That is shocking. Yeah, you know, so I haven't always.

Do you think that these idiots, your buddies really believed that he had it? Or do you think they knew? In my heart of hearts, I want to, I really want to believe that Gary really believed him. And Gary was not a dumb person. But, you know, like I said, I can picture him with his polyester pants, Searchlight Pictures presents In The Blink of an Eye on Hulu on Disney Plus, a sweeping science fiction drama spanning the stone age,

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You know, this might work. This is something Chris Marrero would believe. They found this rare plant in Brazil that you take, if you mash it up and put some sugar in it, mash it up, and you crunch it into a pill, it will curate. Absolutely, Chris, that's the way it works. And they're suppressing it. The government's not going to let you have it, no.

Because like you said, you know, how much money has big pharmaceutical companies given into, you know, this senator you know the president well in merrero's case you would actually say that the the gray aliens the aliens are behind it but i hear what you're saying that do the aliens are running i've never seen any i'll have to send you one of chris's videos and you'll have a better understanding of what you're i've ever heard about aliens before there was usually some kind of narcotics involved is this individual believe it would these these are these are extraterrestrial aliens that are really running the government so but i i i i i i

I'll send you the video. You'll get a kick out of it. Thank you. So you. He believes everything. Sorry. It sounds like. Joe Biden could be an alien.

I mean. Sounds like the Rodney Dangerfield guy. Right. He's, he's, Gary's on that. He's on that believing pretty much for you to believe that that. You got to be kind of gold. And like I said, in my heart of hearts, we were friends a long time. And I mean, you know, a little history with him too.

When when we got going in Vegas and, of course, these dummies, you know, just because people are buying stock and putting money. It doesn't mean you can blow it. Right. That money is not meant to just... Oh, so they're like they're, they're, whatever, they're co-mingling funds or they're just misappropriate... Matt, we had... He must have went someplace and did research ahead of time. We had the biggest boat yacht on Lake Mead. This thing had, I forget, five or six bedrooms, you know, three bathrooms, three floors. The top was a jacuzzi for like 50 people that they had taken off just made it into a party day. It was two foot longer than the biggest boat

previous to when they bought it. And he was in the process of ordering a helicopter. So, yeah, and that's why I assumed when they came in, they came in there, I mean, I wasn't there, but they came in with, I saw pictures,

hand trucks and said, they took everybody's desk, every file cabinet, every drawer, every piece of paper. You know, anything that was there, you know, that wasn't people's personal shit they took. You gotta believe, I mean, if they found all that money that was written

to me, how much money did these knucklehead state? Now, I don't know. They may have just paid themselves, you know, a handsome salary. Yeah, but they were also getting cash from you, so they knew something, they knew, hey, we need to put something aside in case this whole thing goes wrong.

So they knew something was wrong. Right. And if the true number was 400, I probably got maybe 60 of it, if I'm lucky, you know, because like I said, you know, I can remember getting checks for 10, 15,000 and only keeping like two. Right. I don't really need the money, you know. And I'm thinking, it's probably wrong, but, you know, we're, you know, the Bajio had recently opened, so they're down there betting on the horses on Saturday and, you know, doing a lot of shady

shit. Prior to that, Gary actually had owned a couple of race horses. And so he was, and there's a real quick story about that. We were going to Escondido to get his furniture from Vegas. And we stopped at Santa Anita because he had this hot tip. Put 50 in. I'm putting 50 in. You go in and bet. And it doesn't matter. It was either the sixth horse in the seventh race or the seventh horse in the six race, whichever way I was supposed to do it, and I did it backwards. And guess what? you lost all the money no it was a long shot that went up at some stupid and a motherfucker one the one that the hot tip didn't pay off my fuck up actually paid we actually made money he's pulling out bitching him you dumb mother it must have been the seven horse in the six race because we're

you know he's cussing the hell out of me and i'm like well let's at least see you know he's like this you know it's a nag blah blah blah and we're pulling out of the parking lot and he still got the thing on the radio and all of a sudden this horse that i bet on his sheer error comes in no we made like 1,500 bucks, you know, off 100, no more than that. We made more than that. I don't remember what it was, but at Santa Anita, I'll never forget that. But, you know, Jimmy Borlaug and I, we used to go to the reel for the seafood buffet. I guess they blew that place up now. Somebody told me, which I find hard to believe, they had the beautiful nightclub on the roof. And back in 97, 98, it was like 32 bucks for their buffet there. You know, everybody thinks you go to Vegas and

everything's free or an extra free. Well, if you're gambling enough, yeah, it is free. And if you want to go off the strip and eat shit that, you know, I wouldn't feed my dog, you can get a $6 prime rib dinner. But you got, you know, something the size of a half dollar. And, you know, it's not quality meat. You know, you still pay for these and stuff. So anyways, I really don't know what happened to Gary or Hank or Jim.

I have no idea. I never. So I come to Daytona. I'm dead nuts broke. You know, I go to my parents' house, and I'm thinking, what the fuck am I going to do? If I take a job, just like what you were saying, they want, I thought they told me 10%, but I'm thinking it's more than that.

Now I'm thinking now maybe they told me 25, anything that I made, they're going to take a big chunk out of it until I get it paid. So I'm still crying poverty. Listen, I, you know, I can't pay you people. I don't have anything. And eventually, I was able to make a deal and pay, you know, with an Atari way less.

and just make it go away after time because they figured out that I wasn't the one, you know, I had nothing to do with the AIDS bullshit. Right. And that turned out to be one of the biggest scams at the infancy of the internet. You know, that was one of the, that was like the premier scam when the internet first,

you know, I mean, if you remember 99, 2000, that's when the internet was just getting going. So what, what, how much money ultimately did that, that was that valued at? What do you mean? Like are they saying it was a $400 million scam? Was it a $2 million scam?

I can't tell you that exact number. I'm not going to sit here in life. I don't know. I'll just tell you. I don't know. Right. Okay. I don't remember. Or I don't think I ever knew. Usually that's what they do is they'll say it's a $150 million scam or, you know. Yeah, no, it was way more than that. Right. I don't know.

Because, you know, you had millions and millions of shares of stock. at one point you know I want to say the normal number I think it was like 260 a share or something which I'm still good with okay I got a million 15,000 shares

I sell half of them I sell half of them that's a million dollars if I had sold half of them when it was at the peak holy Christ you'd really be in trouble oh that's what he told me he said you better be thankful you didn't sell one share of that stuff and he goes now you can wipe your ass with it

because you know It's kind of rough for that, but you know, he said, you know, it's done. You know, you're done. So, so I'm pretty much fucked. Right. I come down and, you know, with my tail between my legs and stay at my parents and try to figure out what I'm going to do. And believe it or not, I took a job driving a taxi, cash business, you know, government

can't take nothing because they don't know I'm even working. Right. And did real well at it. You know, in my personality, I've always, you know, done the sales. thing and that's what you're doing. And Daytona is such a touristy area. You know, like spring break, I had a 15 passenger van. I'd put 30 kids in that thing. You take them a dollar a block. So, so if they're in the 1,000 block, it's a dollar. The 2,000, they pay two, 3,000 they pay three. I'm, you know, I've actually made stupid money. I think, I honestly think, and I didn't

keep perfect track, but I think I made around $100,000 after the first four year of doing. I did it for like a year and a half, two years almost before I was able to make a deal with the government and get back in the world. So then we open up a car dealership in Florida and Daytona, and that was going okay. And then the landlord comes and says, listen, I'm in the wedding business and he's coming down from his main office down to almost where I am and says, I want to use this for the wedding business. Your leases up in, you know, three months, you've got to go. I'm going to renew it. So I ended up with a bunch of cars, and I met another guy, Joe Grimaldi and Daytona, put cars up with him. Well, actually, I rented a spot just a storm, and he's like,

what are you going to do it? I said, well, we're going to sell him, but, you know, I, you know, explain, oh, I got a car lot, put it. So we ended up going partners. I went to see, here it is. We ended up going partners, but everything's in his name, which is okay. And I go back to the bog business, you know, back, excuse me, folks were bad credit business. And we had a company in Orlando called Laser. And so let's say that you stole a car for 10 grand, or they usually weren't 10 with that company. Let's say you sold one for 5,000. And the people put tax tag and title money.

down so at the end of the day you're they're financing the whole five grand i take the contract to orlando to altamont springs and they give me 2,500 they give me half up front and then as the people pay they pay me and that's okay you know and the longer they paid the higher my percentages that i get every month and that way you still have working capital and so i ended up doing well with them and then I got a company called Auto Use out of Massachusetts. And we had, as I remember, and I've lost the paperwork. But anyways, as I remember, we had almost a half a million dollars on the books with auto use. And I had about the same.

I think I had more with laser than I did auto use, but a lot of money coming, you know, right around a million dollar mark. And so anyways, I guess it was on a Friday. I was writing myself a check or a hybrid. If fuck, we did it. Anyways, I checked for a thousand bucks. And what I used to do is take a thousand a week. And then the beginning of the month, we get our checks in from, you know, and so whatever it was, we, you know, let's say the check is 50,000 just to make it easy. You had, say, 10,000 expenses that leaves 40. 20 goes to Joe, 20 goes to Jim. Joe's part is, you know, it's in his name. I'm using his money. And we're using my brains.

And so that's how we're coming up with a split. So I have all this back-end money built up. We put in a check for 50 grand. And my check's no good at the bank. What the fuck? So I go to the bank and, you know, the branch were where he did everything. And I said, what's going? Oh, Joe came in earlier and he took all the money out of that account.

And it's now in, you know, grow up the enterprises account. Because he was a plumber too. you know so so that all went south and we ended up part in ways and one of my other friends lifelong friend ended up in there i think he ended up getting some of it i don't know i know to which tax coming in their 14 15 grand a month half of should have been mine from just one company and forget about the other company he claims the other company didn't send him any money uh company claims they did i never got anything so i ended up in new york i went back up you know my parents moved back up upstate New York.

And you always end up back home, they say. When I went up, it was a little girl named Savannah. Savannah had a couple problems. Imagine this. Here we are with another female. One was she liked to smoke. And other than that, she also liked to do her. And she used to cry, I got to stop.

I'm going to end up dead. And God rest of soul, she did. at 25 or 6 years old is sad. I think that she got murdered. She was staying at one of her ex-boyfriend's houses, who was a dealer. His new girlfriend is not happy. He's got one of his exes living in the house. So his current girlfriend starts giving her dope.

Well, you don't have to be, you know, it's not a real far stretch. I mean, people told me that, you know, she was putting rat poison in the she was giving her. and I guess after a couple days she started getting sick and after a couple days she was butt naked on a couch shitting herself and they finally called her mother and you know raced her to the hospital her mom got to spend the last hour of her life holding her hand before she died and then they let her stay with her for like another hour beyond that so obviously prior to all that she had you know crying and crying and crying so I got to stop I got to stop I got to stop I said listen Are you really serious? Do you really want to stop?

And she's like... And you're dating her at this point? No. No. She's just a friend. Just a friend. And, you know, I mean, I was still doing a little bit of cope, but I'm ready to be done with it. I'm, you know, I don't...

So I said, listen, the only way you're going to change things is you have to, you know, you have to change people, places, and things. That's, you know. And I said, as long as you live in Daytona right now, you're never going to stop. So I'm going back to New York. You don't know anybody up there. You've never been there. It was a small town.

And actually, instead of Cooperstown, we're Oneonta, which is a really small city. And I said, I'll take you up there. And now I did start dating her when I take her up there. But before we went, I really wasn't. So we take her up there. How long do you think it took her to find a dealer? I was dating a chick that smoked pot. And we went to Atlanta.

And she didn't have anybody a dealer to sell her. pot and she made a she made an appointment at a hair salon showed up at the hair salon got her hair done and walked out with a bag of weed and that girl hooked her up with her dealer so we're talking about within a day less than 24 hours

yeah and Savannah Savannah had the dealer so I'm not happy and I sent her back to Florida shortly thereafter and she called back crying. So I bring her back up. And I promised this time it's going to be different.

It wasn't. I mean, I knew better. But, and so now in the interim, along comes this, she met this girl, Leah, Desimini, beautiful Italian girl, dark hair with the prettiest blue eyes. I mean, hard body, this girl, I mean, your dick would get hard just looking at her.

She was like model-type material. Right. And so they become. friends and and Leah I felt like she was kind of like flirtatious and I'm thinking look I'm you know 30 years older than Savannah I'm probably about 28 years older than Leah you know I mean the fact that I'm hitting the young one is but like I'm not I'm not you know this this girl's out of my league you know I mean she you know I'm old enough to be her father she's dropped it. You know, she could have anybody she wants. Why the fuck was she, well, it turns out

that, you know, she found out that I get pain pills. You know, but I mean, legit, not, you know, not off the street. I mean, I get to prescription. And I got ran over on my Harley. That was the, like, four years ago. I'll tell you that story, too. But anyway, so it was about dope with her, too. And it got to the point, Savannah would move out. That afternoon, Leah would move in. then Leah would move out and Savannah would move back in. Same day. I mean, one would move out in the morning by afternoon. And without me making a phone call, anything,

it was like, I don't know, it was almost like a sick game they played or whatever. But Savannah is up there and she wants to go to New York City to visit her friend from Daytona. I said, okay, this is how this started. So I go to New York City. So we go visit her friend Lynn, and Lynn is an MMA fighter. just one tough chick but she likes to so here's my

number one experience with Savannah and Lynn in New York Lynn goes and gets her two bags of hair and told her don't do both just you know do half a one or you know if you really you can do one problem but it's really

this girl dumps two bags a hair thing and does her thing and next thing I know she's blue Matt right She's essentially dead. Picking her up, putting her in a shower. And, you know, her friend's freaking out. I'm freaking out.

Finally call 911. They take her to the hospital. You know, I don't know if they're in our candor or whatever, but she finally came out. She's herself, you know. Yeah, you've gone to the nurse. And, yeah, she had a, you know, a mountain by your own concealer.

So, anyways, Lynn, over time, well, so while we're there, Savannah says, well, instead of paying, you know, 20, 25 a bag for that shit, up there that's not as good, why don't you buy a couple hundred dollars worth for me while we're in New York and look at the money you're saving? Okay. So we get back up to Oneonta and she starts telling people about, you know, how good this shit is and I guess she shares a little with this one, that one now they want some. So it doesn't take long and here's a little business.

And I'm going, well, let's see, $8 a bag. I pay. I can get 12, but I got to buy, I think, 100 bags to get to $8 a bag deal, which I'm trying to remember all the terminology. I think a bundle was eight bags and bin was 100 and I forget what a thousand was. So I bought like a couple hundred bags, you know, and so that would be what a hundred and eight. So it would be $1,600, yeah. So I bought, I bought 200 bags. and take them back to Oneonta and let's say that I did this on a Sunday afternoon

by like 3 o'clock Monday there's none left it's gone and I got people calling wanting more right and I'm thinking this is getting too big way too quick so I trust this kid Danny Hunt

which was another mistake and I said here's the deal you're living in your grandparent's house you're a shit bum you know you have no money and you're a drug addicts here's what i'll do for you i'm going to send you out to make these deliveries don't bring anybody to this house but i'm going to let you stay at my house i'll make sure you have money in your pocket cigarettes food you know so you've got a place to stay you've got money in your pocket you got a car to drive you know you've got everything right and you're happy because whenever you want to bag of dope here you go

here's the catch you ever get busted you don't know my name you don't know you don't know who I am, you know, you found this shit on the side. I don't care what you tell them, but the last words out of your mouth better be my name. No problem. It's okay. So, things are going good. And I've grown this shit from, you know, a couple hundred bags or 150, whatever, a day to like a thousand. You know, I mean, it was some stupid amount. And I'm trying to remember the exact amount but I had actually weighed the shit out because if I got I knew if I got any more than that and got caught with it the charge was substantially worse you know it became you know it was a big step up so rather than take a chance on that charge I would only get I think it was 2,000

bags at a time and I found this fake safe it was an armor bottle it was the coolest thing ever the top had armor it you could spray it yeah screwed it together The label blocked the scene. Nobody could see it. I had glued some red pepper on the inside of the thing because I was told that that kept the dogs from sniffing it. Okay. And evidently it worked because when, you know,

of course, you know that something bad is bound to happen. But anyways, this goes on for a while. And all of a sudden, I don't know where to f*** Danny is. She should have been back, you know, an hour ago. I was phone, no answer. And it went to voicemail. That's not good.

I think he left my house at 1.30 quarter of two in the morning. Like 6.30, he comes walking up. Where's my trailways? Cops got it. What did they get you for? Well, I just had one little bag with a little resin left. And so what about the dope that you... Oh, that was already...

gone. And he goes, well, wait a minute. No, he said there's still some in the trailblazer. He had to think for a minute. And he says, he had a shaving cream can that was a, that was a fake safe too, Colgate shaving cream can. That's what he had in. So I said, what did you tell the cops? I didn't tell them nothing. I didn't tell nothing. Oh, the cops. And I said, so they let you go? You got no ticket. They arrested you. They took my vehicle. Why did they take my vehicle then? If they didn't arrest you, why? I don't know. I'm not sure, but they did.

They towed it. You would think the cops would have at least given him a reason. I mean, something to say, instead of saying, oh, come up with something. Right. He's a, he's a drug addict. Like, you can't. Right. Well, and then, thankfully for me, this is in Delhine, New York. It's a real small town.

And the cop that's investigating me, as it turns out, is basically a rookie. He doesn't have a clue what he's doing. Everything he does turns out to be totally illegal. But anyway, obviously, you know, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's talked. Right. So we go get my trailblazer, and he's still telling me he's still dope in it. We go get it, and he comes flying out of the parking lot. I follow him up the street.

He pulls over. Oh, they must have taken it out. Shaman can's still there. You know, the fake safe is still there. At that point, you know, now I was pretty sure now I'm positive. You know, he talked. Right. There's no doubt.

So now I have to separate myself from him without pissing him completely off because, you know, he's already talked as long going to get worse. Did he kill him, dump him in the woods? No. No, but you're surprised you say that because. It went through your mind. No, no. You have no idea how close that actually came to happen.

And so as it turned out, I ended up, or Lynn ends up dating this Mexican guy who was a really nice guy. and he's the one I'm getting the dope from as it turns out his brother is in the upper echelon of the Mexican mafia. Wait a second. A Mexican selling is connected

to the cartel? Imagine that. Stop it. Not true. So the brother says to me I'll never forget he's standing and this is the good brother

well, I mean they're both good guys but this is the brother that's well connected. He's standing in, next to the car and one of my I never drove any place I had people driving me so one of my

addicts friends whatever you want to call them customers uh this kid used to operate an excavator and he was going through 20 bags a day I don't know how this kid functioned how he didn't kill somebody but anyway he drove me down

because he was finally starting to run low on money I loved him because you know he's bringing nothing but money money money money so anyways he drives me down and I used give them, I don't know, two or three bags. Just ride me to New York City and back. I mean, it's a three-hour ride each way. Plus, you know, you got a bunch of dope

because if I go down, you're going with me. You know, you can count on that. And so anyways, one trip that were down there, before Danny had gotten in trouble, the brother that's, you know, hardcore in the mafia, he's standing at the back of his car,

and he pulls out his gun. And he says, Jim, he's got to go and he said let me just and he said the alley's right there and we'll just and leave him in

and go and you know I've never done anything even remotely close to that you know and I'm like now he's all right you know

and I didn't think it was that serious no I'm stuttering stammer I don't know what the fucks I mean he's got no issues with me but he knows this kid's a frat he knew it somehow he knew

and so it turns out that he was right you know I would never want to kill somebody, but I'd often talk, God, I wish I just came around the corner of just a couple minutes later, because I think he would have just done it. And of course, I said, my infinite wisdom and smart ass in me, I said, well, why don't you at least get him out of the car?

Why put the blood and broken glass in the car? Because he's sitting in the back seat of the car. He wants to just go right through the back window, just in the back of the head and be done with it. And, you know, this guy's driving a brand new Hummer, you know, his house. They lived, well, the older brother, the one that was in the mafia, his house I was never actually at, but the younger brother lived two blocks from John Gotti's house. I mean, nice, in Queens, you know, and, you know, they weren't ultra-flaught in it, but, you know, one's

driving a Hummer, the other one's driving, I think, Beamer, you know, but they had other cars, too. And so, anyways. I'm going back and forth to New York, and I've always got, so I hire, I replaced Danny with Roger, and the deal I made with Danny was, I said, listen, oh, I left out a couple things about the scumbag. Number one, besides turning me in, I didn't know this right away. It took me a minute to figure it out. He found my safe in the house, clean that thing out. Dope, money, everything.

Stole, televisions, Xbox. I forget everything he stole out of my house. house what he did a little bastard went down in the basement and you know they had the outside doors to get into the basement right and unlocked it you know i'm not down there i'm not going to check that a little bastard which like your other buddy that unlocked the screen door right the sliding glass door sliding glass door yeah yeah so so this little prick and and worse than that you know and my dad is you know my dad's my dad you know my best friend i you know love him more than anything on the planet and he goes my dad always my mom always carried or had a little like a vinyl lunch bag cooler type thing she used to pack my dad a lunch every day right and except for Fridays Fridays he would eat out but during the week he preferred so anyways he took a thousand dollar deposit on a car and he stuck it in a little pocket like on the front of this cooler and then he even stole from my dad took a thousand dollars from him I mean I wanted to kill him for that a thousand dollar what cash oh okay thousand dollar car cash yeah deposit on a car my car

my dad was so mad and the little bastard went right through the office into the detail shop grabbed two of my big screen TVs and went running out the door with them threw him in a car and took off you know this was after right parted ways with him and even when we parted i i was trying to be nice i said listen i know you're a rat i know you know you know you know i said let's and i told them i said you know you don't even realize but you had a gun to the back of your head you didn't even know it i saved your life you little prick And I said, I'm still going to give you dope every day, but you need not testify against me

and you need to keep my name out of your mouth. Oh, I promise, I promise. None of that was going to happen. No, and I knew better. You're delusional. Exactly. At that point, I'm thinking, what can I do? Right.

So I hire his buddy, Roger, to take his place. And we're coming back from New York City. And I told Roger, I said, Don't you ever tell him where we are. Don't you ever sell him dope? Nothing. Turns out, Roger's on his phone. Texting him. Oh, well, we were here.

We were there. Bubba, blah, blah, blah. And that's when we got popped. The police. I'm asleep. I'm in the backseat of the car lane. And I'll never forget this old man got the back door open. And he's got a gun and the fucker's shaking like this.

We're Sturgis. Where's Sturgis? Whoa. You know, I had my, I had a blanket. I mean, I'm like trying to get my hands out. And I'm like, don't shoot me, you dumb ass. I said, you know, what's going on? Now, the cool thing is, if there is a cool thing. Who is the old man? Like a DEA agent or a cop?

No, these are local Delhi cops. Okay. These idiots go from Delhi to a town called Shedankan. Now, Shadankan is in Ulster County. Delhys in Delaware County. They go to Shan Dancon. That's where they pull me over. The local judge wouldn't sign the warrant

because he's a family friend and didn't believe that I would get involved with something. No way, Jimmy said to that. No, no, I'm not signing a warrant. So they get a new judge in another town. This kid just became a judge. He was actually my elementary school principal's kid. And imagine this. Way back in fifth grade, the only time in school I fucked up,

I used to spend all day at the principal's office. I'd come to school, go to his office. My desk was in his office for all the fifth grade. I had a teacher, Mrs. House. I couldn't stand. Every Friday, he would go where my friend. mom worked and have lunch and give a report on me. Anyway, so his kids

is the one that signed the warrant, but it was so generic. They could have came here and searched this house. Right. So everything they found, they couldn't use. And all they found was the shit that I gave, the two morons. They had, I think, 46 bags total. That was all they found. Right.

There was 2,000 bags in that armor all bottle in the back of the car. My father wanted to kill me when he found out. Police had the car for three days. my dad picked it up dope was still there okay I mean I didn't tell him right for it

I dad by the way make sure that they're still no yeah you just pick the car up for me so so mistake number one was the bad warrants they had you know again a New York City phone book you know a stack full of shit

but they didn't have one clear pictures showing me giving dope to somebody or me getting you know collecting money they had nothing all they had was pictures of you know different people coming and going or me meeting people or other people, mostly other people, meeting people. But they did, you know, they were focused on me. So anyways, they, they arrest us and they put us in Delaware County jail. Well, if you arrest somebody in Ulster County, then you take them to

Ulster County jail. You don't take them to Delaware. So they gave me a public defender. And he comes in and he says, I'm assigned to your case, but it doesn't matter. I said, what do you mean it doesn't matter? You know, I'm in jail. I got a hundred thousand dollar bond. What do you mean? It matters to me, and he goes, no, you don't understand. They got you in the wrong kind. They're going to have to let you go. So this is on, I don't know, I'm going to say like a Monday, whatever. No, excuse me, it was on Friday.

On Monday morning, they round the three of us up, and they had us in basically solitary confinement. I'm in a cell by myself, away from everybody, and they had three cells. One of us was in each cell. I don't remember coming out of the cell. I just left the whole time I was there. Don't even remember. I basically don't remember. I remember giving the guard at the front a hard time.

He was a real fat douchebag. And I remember when I left there, I told him, I said, you better hope I never catch you on the road, you fat piece of shit. Or on the street, you fat piece of shit. You know, you're threatening me? I said, no, it's a promise, whatever. I mean, I was a real dick to him, but he deserved it because he was an ass. So now, so now they re-arrest us and take us to Ulster County. when we get there the judge is like why is his bill so high and these guys

are the two guys that were with me there's just 20 minds of 100 right well they're cooperating right Roger's trying to tell me he didn't cooperate

meanwhile you know there's a half wall I can hear you dumbass right you know and you know he sang like a canary

but they wanted me you know they and this is how stupid they were and I did but I told the cop

I said you know again this is just local cops said, I'm not cooperating anyway. You can go fuck yourself. I'm not giving you any names or anything. He said, we don't care. We got, and this was his words, Al Chapo of the Northeast.

And I'm like, what? You know, I mean, I was selling some dope, but I wasn't, you know, nowhere's near. And these dummies never tried to go higher than me. Right. You know, thank God they didn't get the DEA involved because you know they would have been. And I mean, I would have never gave them up. But I could sit here right now and tell you exactly how dope gets from where it starts all the way to New York City, you know, in a drug addict's hand. I mean, it's not that complicated.

A lot of it comes down to money. But, you know, thank God they never asked. DA never got involved in anything. So they take me to the county jail. in Ulster County and a couple weird things happened. I spent the first three days in medical there because I couldn't have my opioid. I mean, I'm on a heavy duty painkiller.

Now I can't have it. Now I'm going through withdrawals. So they put me in the medical unit and for like three days, the guards were raising hell with us because New Year's Eve came and I'm leading to singing, we're singing, I'll be home for Christmas,

I just don't know what year, because the cops promise me. And he said, this, I promise you, you're getting a minimum 10, but you're probably going to end up with more like 20, 25. I'm 57 years old, okay?

Right, at that time. Right, at that time. I'm thinking, you know, you might as well say that's a life sentence to me. You know, if you get 15, 20 years, you know, they're not going to take care of you in prison. No.

So, so anyways, I don't know why I was singing happy, but then they moved me up on a regular, like I was telling you earlier, We were talking what they called the Supermax 2000. And I think the second day there, I suddenly got sick. I went back in my cell like lunchtime. And I kind of remember, but another guy came running in and he went running out.

And he's like, man, you've got to do something. He's sick, sick. So he took me to the hospital. I guess I had some kind of cardiac thing. I spent a week in the hospital. And the guards were all cool. They cuffed me. like when the new guard was coming

as soon as a new guy come in he takes cuffs back off right so I was never cuffed except for one guard one night and I had the nurses bringing me ice cream all night long right can I get another ice cream you know except again with the one guard

you know you got your own TV it was great for a week I was there and a lot of things that I've heard on a lot of your things it's kind of weird because you know even though I was only there for a short amount of time it was like you know the black ice

have their TV, the white guys have their TV. And there was a little bit of intermingling, but not much, you know, not what you would think in a county jail. And I remember, you know, the one black kid had a smart mouth and his people, you know, they blocked off one of the cells so that, you know, the CEO couldn't see and take them in and beat the living. I mean, this kid comes out with blood running down. I mean, nobody says anything. You know, I mean, the CEO couldn't have missed it. But, you know, I guess that's what they did. But I left out a couple of things. I'm going to go back to the car wholesaling days

because that's important to this part. Back in the day, in Florida, you could write a draft. And what I mean by that is, let's say you went to a new car store. And like my god rest of soul, Danny used to buy everything out of a Cadillac store. And you bought $50,000 worth of cars, but they didn't have titles for them.

you'd write oh great you don't have to perfect there's a draft for 50,000 and what that meant was you didn't have to pay for these cars until the titles came in now when the title came in they might say oh we only got two of them so you know you got to make 34000 or 13000 or whatever good so now you go back up give them a check or we got we're going to put your draft in but you had two or three days so everybody's flowing money right now Now up north with the amount of money I'm spending shipping cars down here, especially with rich, I mean, we're, I can remember Tuesday nights we had to have 200,000 to cover the checks we wrote. Had to. Had to sell that much in cars. I think they call it kiting. And at some point along the

way, I checked for like 25 grand, never went through. I ended up getting charged for that in Pennsylvania. When on probation, that was way back in the day. And I thought I had paid everything off. And they kept saying you got a hold. It was 30 years ago. I never dreamt that it was, son of a bitch, I'm happy because they take me to court. By two co-defendants, they had to let them go because they only have 10 days to get you in front of a judge.

They didn't take them because they couldn't take me because I was in the hospital. So they kicked them loose and they're like, they're going to do the same with him. They take me up. And okay, you know, but you have a hold. I have a hold.

So, you know, all the guys in the block are laughing and I come back in. The hold is for his check from 30 years ago. And son of a bitch. And Matt, this is the most incredible thing. So now they put me, they,

everybody says they're not going to come get you. There's no way in God's creation. They're going to come get you. Right. People don't realize that. That if you have a, you could have a warrant out of Florida, and you could be in New York.

And if Florida says, this is stupid, like this is such a minor thing, we're not going to spend the money to fly this guy out or to go pick him up and drive him back. We're not going to spend several thousand dollars to get him back on something

that's going to be quashed. And most likely because it's so old. Right. But guess what? Right. They actually come and get you. Here's some bad luck. I mean, I've just had a lot of good luck to this.

But the bad luck is, the same judge is still on the bench 30 years later. And he's like, oh, he's in jail in the neighboring state, we'll go get them. Right. And so they can hold you 10 days. If they don't come within 10 days, then they cut you loose.

So I'm on day 9 in the morning. Start just pack it up, like, you know, 5 o'clock in the morning. And they pick me up when we stopped going across Pennsylvania at McDonald's. Got a big Mac French fries. Trying to eat that with handcuffs on and a belt and all that. It was not fun. But I get about three quarters of the way through it. All of a sudden I started having chest pain.

I'm thinking it's indigestion. Well, no, it wasn't. I had some kind of cardiac event in the back of a cop car, which ended up working to my advantage. They took me to the hospital, and then they transferred me from one hospital to the Butler Hospital, which is the town I was actually headed to, but that was where the bigger home.

We were almost there to the bigger hospital. And I'm only there a short time. And the cop that brought me, he comes in, he goes, oh, it's your lucky day. And he goes, well, kind of. And I said, what do you mean? kind of he said well the bad part is you're here the good part is you're free and he takes the handcuffs off and i said what's up he's like and you know i figured it out in two seconds they didn't want to be

responsible for the medical bill right you know they're have no he's not going to cost us money so call probation whenever you get out you know and and so i did and they made some stupid arrangement $50 a month or something i give them to pay it off which will take 100 years but right um but yeah so So Danny Yeah, he broke in, stole all that shit Stolled for my father And I said that, you know, I shouldn't say it But if I ever get a chance

I think that, you know, a baseball bat could fall out of my hand And hit one of his knees or something How long ago was this? Six years ago. Six years ago? Six seven years, yeah, six seven. Yeah, I'm 63, so yeah, about six years ago. I haven't forgotten.

I haven't forgotten. you know and you're holding resentment oh you know it's not good you gotta let that go i can't that's you know i mean you think about it and i guess you know i've heard you and a lot of the people say you know it's it's human nature you know self-preservation i'm going to talk that's not how i was brought up you know what i mean i just i couldn't and you know they didn't really come to me and ask like i said the d a had i think had the d a have known what the fuck was going on, they certainly would have wanted to gotten involved. But again, I had a rookie cop, warrants that were absolutely no good. The search warrants were absolutely no good. The cop didn't

know what he was doing. The warrants were no good. I mean, the whole thing was just a, you know, it was a mess. So they let you go, but they didn't drop the charges. Not yet. Okay. I mean, people don't realize, you know, you have to understand people don't, everybody follows, like they think, oh, they let them go, they dropped their, no, no, they dropped the fact that They can't hold him on no bond or any bond. They have to let you go on your own recognizance saying, hey, you promise to show back up, right? And you go, of course I do.

And of course I did. And I went to court one time. And my lawyer called me and he said, listen, they're offering you a deal. I don't think you should take it because I want to sue them. But it's up to you ultimately. And I said, what's the deal? The deal is you take a misdemeanor conviction, no felony, just a misdemeanor conviction, pay $700,

and they'll give you a year to pay it. And that's it. You're done. Chargers are gone. There is no more. I'm like, sign me to fuck up. Right. You know, why?

I want to sue them because everything they do. And I'm thinking, well, yeah, that'd be great. but you know what I did it I can't say I didn't do it right the fact that they this isn't a wrongful arrest right well it wasn't wrongful

it was just the only illegal one right and so at the end of the day you know I don't feel comfortable really going after them you know and so believe it or not I that's what I ended up with

out of that so and I remember sitting at the cop station that night And the cops telling me, they guaranteed me. I guarantee you. You know, first they started talking 25 years. And then the older cop, he's like, well, if you get real, real lucky, you might get 10 or 15. Right. You know.

So I ended up with none. What happened to the 2000 bags of that your dad had in the back of the... It got picked up when I got out. And... You flushed it down. toilet because you thought that I'm done with this. It's the right thing to do. Well, yeah, that's a good story.

We'll go with that. I was going to say, I buried it in the backyard. Yeah. But I was going to. I was scared the animals could get into it. I love animals. So it found a new home. You know, I'll just leave it that way. It found a new home. My father could have killed me.

When he found out that you, I could. I said, if the dummies didn't find it in three days with the car and dogs, you think they're going to wait until my dad picks it up and then go well let's arrest this you know at the time 79 year old man or right there you know I can't believe you did that to me I said dad I love you I'm sorry but you know I mean a lot of money I mean if somebody has to go go down for this dad you're already 80 I mean god you know and you know so poor Savannah ended up dead you know and and Leah I don't know what happened with her she she was a real fruit cup and I left this part out too in the interim of going back and forth between the two of them

Leah marries this guy tried to tell me that you know they were just and I come to her house and I'm like oh what's this bright and room cups and what's you know what's this and what's that you know and meanwhile she's giving me head and I'm finding you know she's like oh oh my dad got married and you kept the stuff well yeah he told me to hold on to it I mean stupid you know so I know so I knew and finally she admitted she well so her husband I felt bad for his poor guy you know not bad enough to get a blood job

from his wife well you gotta have it's a balance here's the well here's the worst part of everything I did with her imagine this and I told the guy I said you know I I don't want you to ever end up with his bitch again

so I want to make sure you understand how dirty she did do you and he's like there's more well yeah remember when you got married of course I remember when I got you know the honeymoon suite you had at the Hampton Hotel well yeah how'd you know we had

how did you know we had a hotel suite at the Hampton well you know I was there for a couple hours with her before you guys got married the night so this bitch is going to marry this guy and she's me you know two hours before they got married. Who was the guy?

No, just some shmow from, yeah, his name is Vinny from Long Island. And that's where she was from, she was from Long Island. A Vinny from Long Island? Yeah, can you imagine? Yeah, Vinny from Long Island. That's crazy. That's so unique. Probably people, you probably just, you might as well give him his full name.

You probably just, I mean, people know exactly Vinny from Long Island. I know him. Yeah, right? We had a guy in jail with me, not when I was on the other side, but he said. in jail with me and they call them Nikki Bats. Now this is a white guy. Nicky's probably 30 years old. His story is that when he was a child, his father molested him and his brother. The brother won't deny or confirm it. He won't go either way. Nikki claims that his father tried to molest his son. And here's where the bats part comes in. He took a baseball bat and beat his father to

to death with a baseball bat. So he's in, needless to say, for murder. And when you meet Nicky, come in the block, hey, what are you in for? And they didn't have to ask me. Believe it or not, these schmucks had this, when they, it is kind of crazy because of the small town cops,

they blew this way out of proportion. Like I said, they acted like they, some places they actually said, they captured El Choppel of the Northeast. Right. And, but they, yeah, these dummies, had it in the New York Post and some other papers. So the guys, when I sub-waxed, they actually knew who the guy was.

And the guy's like, this makes no sense. There's other drugs. He said, just makes no sense. There was 46 bags. Right. How, you know, I said, well, they missed some. And he said, well, they still might find it. You know, where's the cars?

Well, they told it, you know. And they never did it. But anyway, so Nikki ran the, I guess you would call it, white guys TV. And the motherfucker, all he wanted to watch was the old movies. And I can't remember. It's called AMC movies, you know, I think. You know, so

the black guys either watched sports, which I like for the most part, or they had to watch like Oprah. All the brothers would be gathered around the TV, they'd be like huddled. And it was kind of weird, and not weird, I guess

that was how their chain of command or whatever. They had two older guys and they controlled the TV. That was it. Whatever those guys wanted to watch, that's what all the black people were watching. Now, if you were white and wanted to watch the black TV, you could do it, but you couldn't do it at the TV. You know, you had to be a certain distance away. When we ate, everybody had, and I didn't know this, you know, everybody had an assigned place to eat. I get there, you know, it was this a slot, but you know, and I go, oh, you can't sit there. Yeah. Fuck you mean, I can sit there. Yeah, you got to sit in your spot. Yeah, you got to sit in your spot.

Yeah. So, you know, and the other thing that I learned very quickly, my neighbor, I wish I could remember his name. And this doesn't make any sense to me, Matt. But here's a kid, clean cut. And as a man, I'll even say, you know, good looking 30-something white kid. You could tell he was, I think Irish, you know, I forget his name, but that he would lead you to believe he was Irish. Real clean cut, no tat's nothing. He'd already been to prison. and twice. And he was, what do you call it, smash and grab. And he would, he would hit like the convenience stores. He'd be in and out in less than two minutes. He used to dress like a ninja. He would all black and put black on his face, but he had the black clothes. When he got busted, the reason he was in with me, these dummies, when they shut the trunk, part of their shirts

or pants, you know, the black ninja shit was hanging out the trunk. And it was flapping, covering the tag. that's why they got pulled over. And of course, they opened the trunk and here's a cigarette, you know, 40 cartons of cigarettes and they just had a robbery. Mysteriously, imagine this. There was 40 cartons of cigarettes sold and that's exactly how many they had. So, but here's this kid and I use, I'm going to use the milk. So I was giving him my milk every meal.

And little did I know after, you know, one day he was medical or something. I gave it somebody else. And they're like, oh, here, here's some cookies. And here's this. And here. You know, so I'm getting all kinds of free commissary shit for my milk that was free to me. Yeah. You know, I didn't realize, you know, the trading shit that goes on.

And, I mean, it was only a couple days before I had commissar. So I had, you know, and then when I got the money on my account, then I could actually eat like a human being again. You know, not like a human being, but, you know, and I mean, the hamburgers were okay. The chicken wings were okay. You know, you felt more, you could have a soda instead of drinking the whatever it is, Kool-Aid or whatever the shit is. that was just some nasty shit and i say nasty shit but i remember after only being there a couple days finding an extra mug so i could get two cups so i had something to drink for you know later on or whatever but and and i don't know to this day i don't know how they did it i mean i

had a couple of stories told from people that the one guy said when you went to visitation so you're sitting there i'm sitting here okay and there's a table about this high you're allowed to shake hands and like a hug at the end of the visit. So my one neighbor, he said that his dad would bring him weed and a lighter. And when he hugged him, he would stick it down between his jumpsuit and his t-shirt. So he'd have his t-shirt, you know. And they didn't strip. So they had you drop your jumpsuit, you know.

So this shit was... His t-shirt was tucked into his underwear. So that's right. So we could put it in his t-shirt. excuse me, put it in his t-shirt. So that's how, that's how he claimed he got it in. But every night you would go near the shower, which was right ironically behind where the COs sat,

you could smell weed. And I'm like, how the fuck are they getting it in here? I mean, I really was curious how they were doing it. I mean, I wasn't going to. Might have been just a CEO bringing it in. You'd be shocked. I mean, you'd be shocked what the COs will bring in because. Really?

Yeah. The one CO that we had was really cool. He's like, you know, he thought that I was in there for the pills. And I'm like, you know, because he knew I was sick, you know, dope sick and stuff. And I said, no, I said, I'm in here. Oh, my God, you get off the hair. I said, I'm not on, you know, I'm on dilaudits. That's prescribed from a doctor.

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My karma did continue after, after that. I mean, the Mexican Mafia, you know, they were thrilled to death. they somehow, I don't know how, how do they get, how do they get a police record? Because they knew that quote, I mean, they knew, not only did they know what I say, they knew exactly what I told the cops, you know, like, you know, I'm not giving nobody up, they knew that. Well, you can get the Freedom of Information Act, or they can just have a lawyer request a copy of like, hey, you know, like, what you say?

Well, the cops are going to write down what you said. they're going to write right up an affidavit or something no it's just a police report like you know he stated this he stated that he stated this like they'll have like a five page or 10 or 20 page where they've written it out unless they've no shit yeah i mean that that's typically what happens unless they've got a recording in which case they could get a transcript well that because the the older brother you know he got a hold of me shortly after i got out yeah you need anything blah blah blah blah it was just overly nice and i was like oh i'm good you know i'm good you know i'm good And he's like, well, you know, you're, I forget, stand up or say, and I, I was honest.

I said, you know what, I like walking around breathing. Right. And he kind of snickered. And I said, you know, I know how that shit works. You know, I'm not a fool. And I honestly think that they would, you know, I think that if you, those are the kind of people. If you didn't run your mouth, you wouldn't be walking around anymore. You know, that's why when I got in there, I'm not going to say, oh, yeah, well, yeah, I know how they did this.

and you know you know right i'm not giving up any of those secrets you know the other like i said it all comes down to money so then imagine this after all that i get out i'm in butler pennsylvania that's cold as fuck all i had was a thin jacket i had 125 140 on the They give you a credit card back with your money. Not gate money. This was my money. I remember you saying, I didn't get no gate money. They didn't give it to me.

It was my money, but it's not a card. It worked just like a prepaid credit card thing. So I went and I found a little thrift store across the street and I got a South Pole. I get that and I got to wait for a bus to get out of town. I take the bus from Butler to Pittsburgh, which is, I don't know, 45 minutes maybe away, if that. I get to the bus station in Pittsburgh and I go outside because I want a cigarette. I hadn't had a cigarette, you know,

and I was only locked up like three weeks, you know, total. And the only reason I didn't get out was because I knew I had to hold. You know, why pay it on when I know that I'm just going to go here anyways? And you had the respiratory thing that you just got out of the hospital for. So obviously a cigarette seems like a good idea. Well, of course it is, yeah, of course. So I get to the bus station in Pittsburgh and I meet this girl, imagine that. and she's like

I forget what it was that she's seen or whatever but somehow she knew that I had just gotten out of jail and she said I got something for you and I'm thinking oh boy a blowjob but that wasn't it she had some weed

and I've never been huge consumer a pot but I went outside and the shit that these people have today is just incredible I hit this thing like three times I get on a bus from Pittsburgh I don't remember to ride

New York City. Right. None of it. I was just shot out. And I finally get back up. My parents are so mad. And I didn't leave out a couple of things. My mom, Christmas Day, crying.

You're going to kill somebody, son. You've got to stop. And I said, I'm going to quit soon. I really had it in my head I was going to quit on the first. And I'm not sure how I was going to enforce it. But I had somebody that wanted to buy the business, but they didn't have cash. They weren't have to make payments.

right so I set you up with all my people I give you my connections to buy I give you the customers to sell to and I just want a couple grand a week right now what would make you pay me or why I thought you would pay me I don't know but I really did have it my head I was going to quit on the first year and I got popped on the 29th to December like two days and I you know I had somebody in place ready to take it over and everything. Now Roger, the guy that was the idiot that texted, you know, God rest his soul too. I guess he's passed away too. But he, the thing, the worst thing is to be a liar. This fucker keeps trying to tell me he didn't run his mouth. Well, like I said, there's a half wall. I can hear your dumb ass. I can hear what you're telling them. So I get, after I get out,

they'd already been out a week or two. And so I get back up to Oneonta. And son of a bitch, if I don't see him walking down the street. And it was raining or whatever. Hey, hop in the truck. I'll give you a ride. So he gets in the truck. Bang, I hit him. I broke his glasses, cut his eye and shit.

Open the door, threw him out right down the side of the street. That's what you get for being a rat motherfucker. That could have gone wrong too. They could have come and picked you up for that. There's a federal charge. If you, if you actually physically harm someone that cooperated against you, you can get a federal charge and go to prison. and it's like a five-year mandatory minimum, or minimum mandatory.

I'm just in dire hope that there's a statute of limitations on it because it's been... I'm sure pretty much everything's about a three-year statute of limitations. Yeah, and we're at six, seven years. And he would have already gone straight to him. If he was going to do anything, he would have gone straight to him. I had no idea that I mean, I knew that I could catch a charge for it, but I remember telling them when I threw them out. It might be three to five.

Might be three. But, I mean, I'm saying it might be a three-year mandatory minimum. And that's the federal feds get in charge or getting get involved. Yeah, I figured the worst case that, you know, state was going to come and say, hey, you know. Well, I mean, the feds were going to be involved when your thing, they would have come in from the, as soon as the, right off the rip. As soon as the state thing fell apart, usually, usually something state falls apart and the state will go and be like, listen, we fucked up. Here was the problem. Boom, boom, boom.

And they'll go to the feds and say, here's what we got. The feds will come in. Just indict you on that, knowing that a federal judge isn't going to throw any of that out. A federal judge will be like, oh, well, yeah. no, all of that's included. Oh, no, no, no. But, yeah, that's state law, you're right. But we're the federal government.

We're picking up this case. We're going to charge you. And we're going to go ahead and we'll try you. If you want to go to trial, we'll try you. But really in federal court, all we need is these two guys to get on the stand and say they were buying the drugs from you, the drugs that they clearly found. And we'll see if a jury will fall for it. And the truth is, if you're just sitting at that table in a federal court, they already think

you're guilty, let alone these two guys getting on the stand. and then they actually found Oh, so usually, usually you can get a couple of guys that get on the stand and say we were selling drugs. They didn't catch us with the drugs, but we were selling drugs.

We've been indicted. But the guy we were buying from is this guy. They indict you, and you can be sitting there going, I wasn't caught with drugs. They weren't caught with drugs. Nobody was caught with drugs and you're going to indict me on a drug charge.

What they found was, I think it was Roger's jacket or something. They found, and these two dummies, it was shit that I had given them. You know what I mean? And I'm thinking, why? Why did I give it to them? Why didn't I just give them a bag or two each, you know,

so they could do it and, you know, and then give them the rest of the whole. But it is what it is. You got lucky. I got very lucky. I mean, not just once. Yeah, multiple times. What are you doing now?

What are you doing now? Well, they have my buddy that owns a tow company. I help him. I'm so like a little kid. You know, I like playing with the trucks and stuff. I sell some cars for him and whatnot. And going through a lot of health, I've got some health issues. I need to get back up to New York to a specialist.

My mother was diagnosed with cancer right before Christmas. Jesus. And here's the bad luck thing. I go to New York. I had a GMC pickup truck. I tried. I used the auto train. The dog and I rode the train from Sanford to

Lowerford, where Lorton, Virginia, which is Washington, D.C. drove the rest of the way up like six hours. It was great. It was great. And it was cheap as hell. I mean, it usually isn't, but it was when we went. Anyways, and we get up there, and a buddy of mine has a couple cars and he needs brought back to Florida. And I said,

well, I bought a Cadillac. I'll take that back. And there's a pickup truck I'm going to buy. I'll buy the truck, bring back a two-car trailer, and I'll bring your cars back. Okay, so we make a deal. I get back to Florida. I buy a truck on Friday from Fred. Buy the truck Friday. I'll get it registered on Saturday and everything, and we left.

I'm going to guess Saturday night, Sunday morning. Monday afternoon at Fredericksburg, Virginia, we're going down a hill. A hill, a hill. Right rear tire blows. Trailer goes into a skid. ends up breaking the trailer hitch the trailer hits the trailer ends up underneath the truck fucks the frame up snaps the drive shaft the back wheels of the truck around the front of the trail I mean it was a mess didn't hit anything else just you know my truck is now

totaled I've owned it two days it's gone trailer's still okay a couple little marks on but really no big deal Fred's trailer that I borrowed so now instead of renting me a U-Haul pickup that I could have just used my slider thing you know with a they call a pinnall hooks but i had it and now you haul actually rents it used to be they had a fixed ball that was welded right that's all you could holly shit that you know they had the roll-sized ball almost now you can put any slatter in in tow and they didn't tell me that so i ended up with this van the little smallest man they had it's like 400 bucks just to get to my parents house get there drop that off i my pickup i had taken up to get painted i said to the guy in the body shop i said

listen just get it so I can use it to go to Virginia and get this trailer it's okay and I said make sure the hitch is you know really secure because I'm bringing back this trailer it's a two-car trailer as heavy as fuck so okay we we get to Fredericksburg on Friday night the lights don't work so the dog and I go get a motel room and on the way the lights did start working but I'm like you know what I'm tired we're going to stay here so anyways we get up on Saturday and going up to Jersey Turnpike, the tractor trailer, I think, raised it a little bit, and then there was bumps. And, well, anyways, the trailer ended up doing the same shit. Boom, boom, boom. Ended up jackknifed, the back of the truck up on guardrails. The trailer underneath the guardrails.

I had a brand new jack that was on the nose of the trailer. That, I ended up picking up two days later, down by the water. I couldn't believe I found it. And some body parts, brand new parts I had bought that had ejected from the truck or trailer. Now I've totaled the second truck out in nine days. Now I get a brand new Ford diesel pickup in upstate New York, but I didn't buy it. I rented it from Enterprise. It's 600 miles on it. I go get the trailer for the third time and the tow company had fucked up one of the tires on it and I forget what else. But anyways, it was a real cluster fuck. They wouldn't let me take it because, oh, you got to take the truck in the trail at the same time. I said, I'm going to take the truck. It's totaled. You know, it's going to co-part. They'll come

get it. Well, it's a real douchebags. So I ended up having to spend a couple nights down there. And, of course, you know, in Newark, New Jersey, right across the river from New York City, rooms are dirt cheap there. You know, it was only like 200 a night to stay at Howard Johnson's. Yeah, I wasn't happy. And so I finally ended up getting these cars, brought him back down here. I get back to Daytona, and now I'm supposed to take the truck back to New York. I turn a corner in Daytona. Every light on the dash comes on. The truck's got 3,600 miles on it. It died. Done. A month later, I was still getting text from the Ford store.

They couldn't figure out what was wrong with it. Their computer wouldn't match up to the truck computer. So, fortunately, the good thing is my mother is now cancer-free. That's the good thing. The bad thing is I've got my side's light puffed up. I got a liver thing. I've got to get up to the doctors. And I mentioned a little bit about this,

but in 19, August 23rd of 19, I'm riding back from our tow company to my house. I'm on my Harley. I'm sitting at a red light at Bellevue. Yeah, Bellevue and Nova Road in Daytona. I'm in the middle lane of Nova Road. And this asshole lift driver rear ends me. Daytona Beach Cop was sitting in a driveway of the

7-11 getting ready to pull out, watch the whole thing happen. Right. He thought I was dead. He called in as a probable fatality. Figured the guy was doing at least 40. He hit me, you know, a rear-endie-on-a-haarly-no helmet. Blue seven or eight discs in my neck, broke my left foot. I was in a boot on crutches for six months.

And my right hip and got my short-term memory. I mean, my long-term memory is fine. I can remember shit from when I was a kid. But sometimes you tell me something in 12 minutes from, now I can't remember it. I guess it bruised my brain. So now, Florida law works this way. If you get hit by a lift driver, if they have a passenger in a car, you can get this much. If they don't have, or excuse me, if you're a passenger, you can get this much. In my case, the guy needed to be on the app. Well, when he gets out of the car, the first thing he tells the Daytona Beach cop, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

I was looking at my phone to see if somebody needed a ride. And then Lyft came back and said, well, we don't think he was on the app, so we don't think we should have to pay. So my attorney said that July 17th, we were supposed to go to court in just a couple weeks. Now they gave them another continuance and on the grounds that they want to depose the cop

and the EMS personnel, and they also want me to go to their doctorate. I said, wait a minute. They've had four years to do this. Why are we waiting? And my lawyer went and argued, but the judge saw it lift's way. Right. Lift corporate. I've told everybody boycott those bastards. Don't get a, you know, don't get a lift ride. That's crazy. I mean, that's really put me in a bad spot. I lost that whole deal going up, you know, with my mother and stuff was, it was thousands. Literally, it was, I forget, I think I quit counting at 12 grand that I was out gone.

Never, you know, never going to see that again. And it's been rough. And then I lost my home to two hurricanes last year, gone. I mean, there's, and I don't know if you realize it or not. But being that you've been in the mortgage business, I would think you would. And I don't know how long ago it was when you dealt with insurance here. But if you go buy homeowners insurance in Florida, it's so expensive now if you have what do we figure more than like 18 years to pay on your house

it's like paying a double mortgage so if you go over 18 years the insurance company's still ahead if you go under 18 years yeah under 18 years and have a claim or you then you might be okay but in other words it's like having a second mortgage the insurance is so expensive that's why a lot of people don't have it especially living in Daytona you know what I mean you You're close to the water. You know, it's ridiculous. There was a lady from Naples. Her house, I think, was valued at, like, say, $2.50.

You know, it wasn't any million-dollar home or something. And her insurance was $4,200 a month. I said, how do she afford that? That's ridiculous. You know, three or four years that she could pay for a house. Right. And a lady's like, I don't know, but that's what she's paying. I mean, that makes no sense to me.

You know, and it's the same thing like back with my situation with Lyft. The guy only had a car because of Lyft, so I figured they're responsible anyways because he had a, it was a Hertz rental car. Well, Hertz went out of business. So they already put $10,000 in. State Farm put money in, and I'm not sure how they're, you know, if that's Hertz's insurance company or his insurance, I don't, I'm most positive how that happened. probably his insurance well anyway yeah so state farm did put some money in you know so the lawyers collected some but all that he's collected is already gone you know for hospital bills and stuff and we went to mediation last august and that didn't that didn't pan out and i did leave the end of

the whole thing when i got out in new york imagine this i go in the car business with somebody else in New York and I get another boglander called Credit Acceptance Corporation and their deal used to be used to have to pay like 10 or 20,000 and you had to go to their school in Chicago and this and that well they cut all that out but you still have to have to have I forget the terminology they use but you had to have pool you had to have the initial pool of 200 deals and once you hit that 200 mark you get a check for that then you start getting quarterly checks okay You get to 175 cars and it becomes tougher to get them to approve them. You know, they start getting a little. But we got to 178 cars or, no, excuse me, I think about 187, 13 short. And his wife, God rest his soul, she's passed to her. And I had a disagreement. I'll put it that way.

And we had a parting away and I came back to Florida under the assumption that I get paid. my dad and him are still friends too. We still talk, but he swears uphill and downhill. And they got to the 200. CAC said, oh, you had too many deals that didn't pay

so you don't get a check. Bullshit. You know, when the guy was here to sell me on your deal, the smallest check anybody got was 16,000, 18,000. So again, I had,

you know, another thing where I thought, dumped a bunch of time and energy into something that just didn't pay. Right, well, right. And I'm, you know, I'm looking at it as, as retirement money. Right. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it's been rough.

It's, I mean, now it's, I went from the perennial feast of famine, you know, backwards, and I'm not getting any younger, you know. So, yeah, it's, it's tough. That's, and I'm hoping that lift, you know, ends up having to pay out. And that takes care of me because, you know, And now I'm renting, not owning. And, you know, I assumed that this was going to be done. My lawyer swore uphill and downhill July.

That's it. That's it. But I was going to put, matter of fact, one of my friends was like, oh, you need to put one of those, what do they call it, go fund me things or something. I said, I can't beg people for money. You know, people are going to go, you got money. We know you, what you do is all, you know. But I said, you know, you start thinking about it.

And I've been lucky that I didn't go to prison. But how much money that should have been mine isn't mine? The drug money, I'm not going to say, you know, that's, most of that ended up going back out, you know, when girls around, you know, stupid shit that I did. And, you know, you get used to. and I didn't understand this until recently. You take, let's say, an NBA basketball player that makes, you know, not a high end,

but let's just say a lower-end guy that's making $4 million a year. And he plays for 10 years. He retires. In two years, half of those guys are broke. I don't understand, you know, because they came out of the hood and they didn't have shit. And then they end up, you know, they, they, they, They make all that money, but they spend it faster than they make it.

I think that's always, because if we think it's going to always come. Yeah, when you make easy money, you spend it very quickly thinking, oh, I can always make more, but, you know, you had a couple of good runs. Doesn't mean it's going to last your whole lifetime. Doesn't you mean your money's always going to come easy to you, which is kind of like, you know, me and this whole thing is that, you know, I have these conversations with my wife. I'm like, yeah, listen, we do this and do this and do this. And, you know, it's like, I'm willing to sacrifice.

I'm willing to go You know like when my lease is up here at some point Like I figure we'll sign on the lease But at some point I said next thing we do when I get up probation We got to find some place and we got to we got to buy someplace and I'm like and I don't give a shit if it's a single wide trailer That's 1, 1930 single wide trailer on a piece of land that I can slowly build on or slowly It has to be it has to be a situation that I can get paid off by the time I'm 65 or 70 because the truth is I don't don't have any retirement.

Like, I don't know what social, I'll probably get the minimum social security because I've always worked for myself. I've always paid taxes, but paying. Oh, you did? You were smart enough to do that. Well, yeah, I paid my, like, so if you, but I've also almost always worked for myself. Right. So it's not like I paid a ton of money into social security or anything. So it's not like I'm getting a big check.

Right, right. Like you're going to get the maximum social security, which is still nothing. Right. Because social security is based on you becoming 65. or 67 years old and owning your own home. Right. I don't own my own home. So it's the American dream if you plugged into the American dream. But if you've been a derelict and a scumbag your whole life like I have and been in and out

of prison, well not in and out, in prison and back out. And, you know, not done the right thing with your money, then guess what? When you get to be 67 years old and go to retire, you're fucked. You're fucked. And nobody has any sympathy for you because they're like, you were a douchebag, you're whole life. And you know, you had, you had all the fun and this and that. And, you know, and that's how, you know, I kind of look at it that way.

But by the same token, you know, I've done a lot of good things for people to along the way. Oh, listen, I look at it that way. I understand that's, that's the society, you know, construct. Right. But when you're the scumbag, then you look at it. Then you're like, hey, hey, hey, I get. Get it and I hear you, but I have to figure out how to fix this for me. Like I got to figure out what to do correctly to fix this.

Because I understand, yeah, tough shit. But tough shit doesn't mean anything when you're the guy that has to try and figure out, like, how long can you work? Right now I think, oh, I can work forever. No, no. When you're in your 60s and 70s and already things are slowing down. Things are hurting. Like, bro, I wake up. I take three.

I'd be proffron. If I don't take them, I know it during the time. day. No shit. You know, I know when my, my back hurts and this hurts and your knee and your, your body aches and, you know, little things. Like, you already start to know, my eyes, I have problems with my eyes. I have a, you know, I have a stigmatism and, you know, my eyes are, you know, what's going on. And, you know, I might forgetful. Like, there's all kinds of shit that's going on. The memory is the worst. Like I said, well, at least I have an excuse. You know, I got a bruise. You know, and, and I mean, I used to be.

sharp as attack. You tell me something I'm not going to forget. Right. Like the proverbial elephant. And now, like I said, I can remember shit from when I was a kid. Right. But something that maybe happened two days ago, I can't remember. I do that all the time. I'm having a conversation. Now I'll ask, I'll ask my wife something twice. And she'll go, I just told you this. And she'll look at me like, you're not even paying attention. And I'm thinking, no, I was paying attention. I just don't remember what happened three minutes ago. I can't. Yeah. You, you It's like, what I want to say, people want to think that you're like zoned out.

Yeah. So you're being a jerk or something. It's like, no, I'm really, I just, you know, my. I'm genuinely interested in the conversation. I just can't remember that your buddy's name. You know, you've said 70 names. I can't remember any of them. So anyway.

Do you remember Rodney though? I remember Rodney Dangerfield, that guy. But you don't remember Gary Tapp, but you remember Rodney Dangerfield. But I don't need to know, Gary. And, you know, I mean, I hope he's still around. But you got to remember at that time. So that's what we say, 99. I think Gary was in his 60s at that time.

So, you know, if, you know, hopefully he's still alive. But, I mean, he's got to be 85, maybe 90. You know, I mean, my dad's 84 just turned 84. I was going to say, so you know my story, right? Like, you know, when I took off. So I took off on the room with that chick. Becky. So Becky worked for a law firm in Las Vegas. Rodney Dangerfield was that her the lawyer she worked for there. Rodney Dangerfield was his lawyer. So he would call up. This is before he died. He would call up. And she said,

he sounds just like that. He's like, hey, this is Rodney Dangerfield. I'm calling for Jimmy. And they'd be like, and she'd be like, okay, hold on. She said he was exactly like he. And I get no respect. Yeah, yeah. He was hilarious. The thing like I, you know, I just always picture Gary, you know, because I remember Rodney Dangerfield doing it with those, those freaking, whatever you call. Elastic. There was elastic. Yeah, you know. Yeah, 1970s. Not latex.

Like leisure pants. I always think it's kind of a leisure suit. There you go. Leisure suit. Polyester. Polyester. Yeah. Polyester stretch pants. And the colors, dude.

I, you know, I can remember like peach colored pants with a, you know, a canerrester. yellow shirt or something. I'm like, he going to play golf? He was great in Caddyshack and old, was it not old, was it old school? What was the one where he or no, back to school. Back to school. He goes back to college. Right, right, right. That's what I was going to say back

school. He was phenomenal and that just funny as hell. That's, you know, and I said I said, I'm looking through what do you call it, Brett's credits, you know, for the shit that he's on the producer that I know. Right.

And, of course, like I said, him and Steve did a lot of shit, you know, even up to the TV show getting in. But they, when we were talking on the phone to the guy, I said, oh, I was looking at your, how did I put it? I think I used a fucked up word like stats or something. Right. And he goes, what do you mean stats? And I think that's what he'd say.

And I said, okay, not stats. I said, you know, the bullshit that they say about people, on Google and he's like oh what's in there now and I said well you know the guy that's you know claims that and I could be wrong about the numbers but I don't want to be close that you were given seven million for the movie project and you spent maybe two and and the guy you know was trying to sue you to get money back and he's like that guy you know it doesn't matter what it costs you know I told him it was costing him it doesn't matter what it costs me right and and I never thought about it that way you know and I mean he was really quick to say

you know because and if you think about it if you tell somebody i'm going to make this movie for you but i need seven million dollars if it only cost me a million to make it well well it's the same thing we say about the your interest rate i tell you your interest rate is 12 percent but your interest rate is really seven seven no seven point one it's lower so i charge you eight but i get yield spread on the back right well that you were the same thing with the f and i with the cars right You were okay with eight. That's bullshit. You said seven point,

but you were okay with eight. Like if you were, if eight was too high or you were not okay with eight, you would have said, you got to do better than that. I'm not paying eight. I can't,

my buddy Jimmy can do better. I can go to this other place or I'll call my bank. You could have done all those things. Go. I'm charging you eight. Why? Because I get yield spread

between the 7.1 and the eight. And New York in, in, what was it, 80, you know, in the early 80s. So you could, I think the max back, I believe it or not, was like 26%, 27%, it was fucking stupid. Yeah, people are complaining about mortgages now that they have.

So it's 5%. 5%. What are you talking about? There used to be 18%. In the 80s, in the savings alone crisis, it was 14, 15, 12%, you know. But you got somebody with good credit back down. And if I remember right, like 18% was what they got.

And, you know, I'd have to fight like hell to get one point on them. Meanwhile, the guy that, you know, was happy I got him bought, you know, because I did some F&I stuff too, you know, the guy that you got bought and he's paying, you know, you got him bought at, say, 24%, which is, you know, ridiculous. But, you know, you hit him at 27, so you make that spread, you know, they don't bitch because they're happy, you know. It's just like going back to the bowl. business with the cars you know at the car dealership i used to tell people when they'd come in to buy

a car they'd say what all do i need well you do need some documentation you got to have a water bill i mean there was a couple things that they had to have you they had to prove that you know basically you existed and you know but i used they should tell them you know can you they call and they say can you really tell me what i really really need to qualify and i said yeah run in your bathroom you got a mirror right yeah in the bathroom right yeah yeah well run in there and breathe on it Let me know if it fogs up. Well, of course it's going to fog. Okay, then, you know, I can get you done.

And it wasn't illegal. I wasn't doing anything wrong. You know, I mean, you're sometimes stretching things, but you're not, I mean, I wasn't whiting shit out. Well, the same thing when I used to say, you know, if you had a pulse, I was going, I was going to get you approved. Right. Not that, not the thing.

I just got to walk it. Now, I'm going to forge a document. I'm going to make sure you get approved. Right, right. No, I get it. The one thing that I didn't understand it, I actually have watched it like four times that I wanted to ask you. So, just so it's clear in my head, you got social security numbers from kids that were under a year old. No, I went to social security and convinced them to issue me social security numbers to children that didn't exist.

Oh, the kid didn't even exist. Didn't even exist. So I would go in, I'd say, hey, my daughter, here's my birth, the birth certificate for my, my daughter. She's 11 months old. And here's her shot record because they need to make sure she still is alive. And then they would go on the computer and they'd go, hold on, they pull our name up and they go, oh, wow, you're right. A social security number has never been issued to this, to this, this 11 month old, to this person with this date of birth. And they go, okay, and we can tell she's alive, even though you didn't bring the child in, but if she's under 12 months old, you don't

have to. Where did you get the birth certificate of them? I made the birth certificate. I ordered the security paper. You know, if you make a copy of it, it says void if copied. Right. So you, you order the security paper. I got a template from my, well, from a real birth certificate. So I had the blank template. So you just run it through. You use the security paper to print out the blank certificate. You get a shot, a seal. I would get an embossed seal from the South Carolina vital statistics department, whatever. I don't go to South Carolina, obviously. I go to another state.

They don't know what the county certificate looks like. Right. And then they always had like a red number at the bottom, right? You know, a red like, you know, 07705, you know, and it's always bleeds through. Right. So you have to print that out, you know, on that over a couple of times. It bleeds through. And then you've got the seal.

And of course, it's, you know, it's signed. You fold it up a few times. You go in there. You go, oh, I've got this, I've got this. And they look at it and they go, how did you get shot records? You do the same thing, just forged them. I just, I hand forged those because that's just a piece of paper that's printed that the doctor signs.

Well, that was the same thing when they were raising hell about the COVID vaccine. I had, and I didn't realize that I could have done anything. But I guess people were actually paying for those cards saying that you got your shot. Right. Anybody could, you know. Make those cards. Yeah, you print them out and sign them like, there's no database. There's no database.

Right. I had a whole stack of them. I don't remember how to hell I ended up with them, but I had a whole stack of those. I would go in. They'd look at the kid's number or at kids' information. They'd check to make sure that your driver's license that you were who you said you were. Like they put your information in your social security number was issued. And then they would issue the new social security number under you as the father had this child provide the documents, has an 11-month-old old girl.

And keep in mind, once I would start to go into the DMV. and get driver's licenses and other people's names. Now they're not even being pulled under Matthew Cox. They're being pulled under, you know, Scott Smith or John, you know, Thompson or Bill, whatever. So these homeless guys that I'm now impersonating have three kids, four kids, two kids. Now, didn't you ever, I mean, what would happen if one of those homeless people you took their IDs if they died? Yeah, I mean, that was always my concern was I was always trying to figure out how, What I did was I started melding.

First of all, I did multiple things. One, I figured out how to just go in to an attorney. You pay him $1,500 bucks. He'll change your name. So I've stolen your ID. I changed your name. Under the new name, I would get a social security number issued to a child that doesn't exist. And then I would use that social security number to get an ID in that new name.

So really, I'm a completely different person. Right. Now. And you're using all legit docs because the guy, the lawyer gave me the document showing that the name has been changed based on this birth certificate. So I can go into another state saying, hey, here's my original birth certificate, but I had my name changed. Here is my social security number issued under that name because I went to, obviously I went to social security. They changed the name on my social security number. But really, it's that 11-month-old boy's name, child that doesn't exist.

And they'd use that and they'd give me an ID. So now I've got an ID and a name that doesn't exist. I've completely manufactured this ID. And then with that ID, then you would get the... I could get a, I could go get, I could open up credit cards, I could get a mortgage, I could open bank accounts, you could do anything. Wow. And you, so that all started really just from that white out that day? Yeah, all that progressively just got worse and worse and worse.

when I got more and more creative and kept getting, kept getting away with things and became emboldened by it and kept just, you know, you just start thinking you're untouchable. Yeah. That's a fact. Well, you know, the back with the cops saying when I got popped, you know, I was like, they had warned me. Literally one of the deputies had gone to one of my friends and said, you need to tell him. He needs to stop. He's being watched. Not once, a couple times.

know, and, you know, my mother and, you know, and like a dummy, you know, I thought, well, you know, I hear you. It ain't going to happen to me. So, you know, what, I mean, the upshot is, yeah, I did go sit for whatever, you know, I think it was less than 30 days. I mean, I don't, I don't think, two and a half, three weeks, maybe three and a half weeks, whatever it was. I know it was less than 30 days because I remember watching.

I was just before the first of the year. I got arrested on the 29th of December, and I was out for the Super Bowl, which I believe is in January. I'm almost positive. I know I watched, excuse me, I think only one weekend, maybe two weekends of football playoffs.

So it wasn't, you know, it wasn't out of pleasant experience. Don't get me wrong. It's not like something I recommend for anybody. It wasn't enjoying it, but. Right. You do get institutionalized quick, though. I mean, even in that short amount of time, I had gotten used to it.

Right. It was like, okay, I got to get up a certain time. I go to bed at a certain time. You know, whatever. I mean, the lights are going to go off. I can't turn them back on. You know, I've got to wait for these morons to turn them on. And you had your little emergency buzzer if something happened during the, you buzzet.

You know, having the cardiac issues, I did worry, you know, what the fuck? If something happens, you're going to be dead. Right. You know, they're not going to take care of you. So what do you think of my whole story? It's good. I appreciate you coming by. Is there anything else you want to go over or we're good? You feel pretty good?

I think I feel pretty good. All right. Yeah, no, I think I feel pretty good. Yeah, other than, other than, you know, tell everybody not to use that lift company. Don't use, don't use that lift company. Don't use that lift company until they pay my ass. Well, listen, I appreciate it. Let's wrap it up.

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