Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - How AI Scams Are Changing The World | AI EXPERT Mark Savant

Episode Date: November 25, 2023

How AI Scams Are Changing The World | AI EXPERT Mark Savant

These scams are coming out every single day. There's something new. The ability to have artificial intelligence mislead you. When AI starts to realize that they can manipulate us to get its way and it's plugged into everything, how frightening would that be? And it's going to be able to manipulate us based on how well it knows us. Facebook knows when you have colon cancer before the doctor knows you have colon cancer. And so it's going to be able to manipulate us at scale once it's plug it into these algorithms.

AI is interesting. But there's all these scams. there's all i mean they're they're prevalent and the problem is if you have a short attention span are you really going to do your due diligence on a fake AI short i'll give you a perfect example just this past week a couple weeks ago there was this deep fake there were deep fakes that came out of mr beast endorsing the iPhone 15 said hey y'all mr beast here if you want an iPhone for two dollars click the link below it wasn't mr beast right it was a deep fake they'd put mr beast face Mr. Beast's voice over someone saying this.

And he goes to Twitter and he's like, y'all, that wasn't me. But the damage has been done. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's everywhere by now. Like, yeah, like if it's Mr. Beast, and it's been up for even an hour or two, it's over.

It's gotten hundreds of thousands of views. And they're so good with it. Like, this went super viral on TikTok and it looked like Mr. Beast. It looked like his profile. They even put like a blue checkmark at the end of the name. I don't know if you've seen that where they, it's like Mr. beast with like a blue checkmark emoji. So it's not really very... But you see the blue and you assume it's, yeah. Exactly. If you're not like trained to see

that verification, it's, it's almost impossible to catch. Not that many. Oh, by the way, another deep fake that went, went huge is the Tom Hanks dental scam. But first, let me tell you about today's sponsor, ORA. Orra can identify data brokers exposing your info and submit opt out requests on your behalf. Brokers are legally required to remove your information if you ask them, but they make it super hard to do it. You can try ORA free for two weeks using my link. ORA also does so much more to protect you and your family from online threats that you can't see. It's really easy to set up, so you don't have to download several different apps to get things like parental controls, password management, identity theft insurance, and more. You get every

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obviously they create a fake page. And then they add all of your friends. And then they come and they contact you and say, listen, I'm out of the country. Like this happened to my mom, you know, a few times. Like some friend of hers was out of the country. I'm in Budapest. My wallet and passport were stolen. I need X amount of dollars. You know, can you send me $1,000? I'll give it to you, you know, back as soon as I get back into the States. And she's about to send them the money. Yeah. You know, because one, at that point, this was 10, 15 years ago or 20 years ago. You know, she's in her in her 60s at that point or 70s. So what happens now with AI, like just like Colby was saying, when that same person calls you up and says, says the same thing, only it's their voice.

If you were questioning it before, you're not going to question it at all now because it's AI and it's there, it's that person's voice and they're like, oh, hey, Margaret, it's me, Jennifer. You're not going to believe this. I'm in Budapest and I lost my wallet and they were stolen. Can you please Western Union mean me a thousand dollars? And of course, of course. Right. You need to have like a safe word. Me and my family have like a code word. So I'm not going to say it live in front of tens of thousands of people. But we have a code word to catch that. And it's so easy to create. You can go to 11. Labs.io, you upload just a few minutes of your voice, and it's going to replicate your voice shockingly well. You can make someone say anything. I think we also need to be really careful about using AI on autopilot. Right. I don't know if you heard this. There was this case that blew my mind. There was an attorney in New York. He's suing these airline for personal injuries that, you know, one of his clients got injured. He's going to sue this airline, right? So he has one of his assistants, actually not an assistant, one of his partners at the law firm who has 30 years of experience. This is not like a newbie. This is a seasoned attorney. And he's doing

research and he's using chat GPT to do research. So chat GPT is giving him all this case law because they want to set precedent. You know, this is why you should pay us because this is what's happened in the past. So chat GPT is writing out all these cases. And he goes to chat GPT and he says, hey, is this real? You know, are these legit cases? And chat GP is like, yes, we referenced LexisNexis. We referenced Westlaw. These are legit.

So he's like, okay, good enough for me. Right. Go to court, presented to the judge. And the judge is like, this is all bogus. They cited six fake cases, fake precedent, fake quotes. It was all fake. And so. Why did ChatGPT misled him or lied to him?

Or what did it? Yeah. It told him that these are real. cases. I mean, maybe real in its own mind, but these cases did not happen. So instead of verifying it, like he should have gone and said, okay, well, let me look at the case up just to make sure. Yeah, you should have sent it to one of his legal assistants to actually go back and validate and verify the findings. But they didn't. Man, that's how bad did he look? Not good. But I mean, I think it's a good lesson for us. You know, it's a good lesson for us,

you know, if we're using these tools, we got to do our due diligence, especially before we present in front of a judge in court right you're speaking of judges in court you know we're talking a little about audio being fake audio i don't think you're going to be able to use audio in court anymore right you so because because how easily can i manipulate your voice into saying something you didn't say present it in court and say hey judge like we'll take trump for example right you may have heard of the guy he's under indictments in like a hundred different places right you know who knows by the time this goes live he might you know he might be indicted in every country in the world for For God knows what.

He might have eaten them all, too. He might have. He might have. But there's this one recording of him talking about classified documents and whatnot. I would not be surprised if he goes in front of the court and he said, I never said that. I didn't say it. This is AI generated. Right.

Who's going to tell him it's not? Right. Boy, that'd be hilarious. I remember we interviewed Andrew Boostamante. And he was talking about how like when he, 10 years ago, he would, they had. an AI system at the CIA where you could talk to it and ask it questions and it would look things up and I was going to say what if the I you can I can imagine that CIA already has you know something where they'll create an entire um wire you know it seems like it's a wire

where like they were you know recording a phone call but really it's all AI generated sure and then you can oh wow that yeah that's that is that's spooky or maybe the context maybe it's like 95 You actually said it, but they just put in like one or two words that make it almost indistinguishable. And how are you going to remember? I was watching the, I was watching Game of Thrones and there's like Littlefinger, one of the characters, like said something in the first season. He says like chaos is a ladder, right? And then in like season six, um, one of the, like Brandon Stark, the spoiler here, Brandon Stark who turns into like he can see everything everywhere all the time. he says to him in a quote chaos is a ladder like calling him out like i know what you said

and little fingers like oh you got me i don't remember what i said yesterday let alone six seasons ago right so how would you say like i never said that it's just going to it's going to come down to everyone saying i didn't say that or i did say that how are you going to know what's real dude the system's so fucked up already uh yeah there's no look there's no way that you're going to be able to validate what's real or what's not there's just no way And so what it's going to end up coming down to is like, whatever you think is real is going to be real, whatever you don't think is real, will be real. I'll give you another example. This just happened a few days ago, Israel and Palestine.

I was going to say, isn't that already the way it is? Like, people put stuff out there. And if you say it long enough and loud enough, then people will think that that's the truth. Sure. You know. But at least you can say, well, here's the video. Right. Here's the photo.

Well, now they can say. And here's the video and here's the audio. And it's all fake. But if you put it out there long enough, there's so many things that are like that. You know, it's like the history is written by the victors, you know, like what really happened and what the history books happen and what goes down, you know, in history doesn't necessarily mean that's what happened.

But I, you know, I hate, you were saying the Palestine thing. Well, yeah, because gaslighting is at an all-time high. Yeah. You know, because I don't believe you're lying eyes because, you know, but I can see the video. I know that that didn't happen. That did happen. Right.

But now I can't even. I can't believe my lying eyes, so to speak, you know? Like, so in Israel and Palestine, Ben Shapiro released this photo of horrible photo of this, of this burnt child, right? Burnt child. It was released by the Israeli government. He posted it.

It's gotten hundreds of thousands, if not millions of views. Right. And then this other, this other journalist, I want to say Michael, I want to say Michael Jackson. I know it's not Michael Jackson.

Anyway, this other journalist comes out and says, I took that photo 40 years ago. Well, he says this is AI generated. He used this program called AIornot.com, which essentially what you do is you upload photos and it tells you whether it's AI generated or not. Okay. And he says, holy crap, I uploaded it and it's not real.

Well, it turns out that AI or not.com is not 100% accurate. So it still leads to the question of, so you've got half of the population saying it is, it is real, it actually happened. This is a real photo. and then half the population is saying it's not right how is there any way to know there's any way to know and you might say oh well they'll figure it out but we've got you know how long is that going to take well you figure out by finding out who actually took the photograph too like what was the photographer where was what was the source where did you come where did it come from was it just something that

ben shapiro found online and you know screenshot it and said hey this is what this is what the caption says so i'm going with it because it was it was on google or do you or do you or do you or did he actually get it from the photographer that was, you know, whatever, you know, in Israel and took the photograph. Right. So, you know, you have to figure out how to verify those things. Well, it's really hard, too, because like one media outlet, I don't know, let's say the New York Times post something. And then 10 other news outlets run with that and then they post it. And then a hundred more. It's true. And then New York Times, maybe they make a redaction in a week. They say, yeah, you know what? Turns out that was AI generated. Are all of those hundreds, if not thousands of

people that have new sites that have cited that going to go back and say and redact they don't do that when they're they don't do that when they've actually really majorly made a mistake they'll do it'll be on on page five it'll be a little tiny blurb oh by the way last month we said this and that wasn't true right so they don't want to do it when they're when it's them specifically saying something that's incorrect they're certainly not going to say it if they borrowed it or found it from another news organization they're not going to take responsibility nobody wants to take responsibility nobody wants state responsibility anymore. How much work does it take?

I mean, quite frankly, a week, a day later, it's old news. Nobody cares anymore because it's on to the next thing. Well, I think, I think by taking responsibility, you, you gain credibility, you know, by ignoring, you know, by saying things and then just ignoring it, you lose credibility by not saying, hey, hey, I messed up. This was a mistake. This is what I did. That was wrong.

Here's how it happened. You know, you could explain, here's how it happened. And I was wrong by going to that source. I should have double-checked it. I should have vetted it myself. I didn't. That was a mistake. Like, you gain credibility because then from now on, when you say something, people think, you know,

look, either it's probably true. And if it's not true, they'll definitely tell me it's not true because they take pride in that. But now what they do is they just ignore it. Yeah. You say nothing. You just move forward with the news and you think, well, they'll forget about it. And the problem is now you do forget about it. Within two weeks, like you said, nobody remembers.

Yeah. It's a real problem. But we're definitely running into this phase of humanity where, I mean, I think this is always been true that your credibility is important. But now I think more so than ever. Because there's going to be trusted news sources. There's going to be untruth. Frankly, that's why podcasting and media has become so big, because nobody trusts big media anymore. It's like you continue to gaslight us. You release videos saying these are mostly peaceful protests with a giant fire raging in the background. It's like, well, have you seen, have you seen that video where

they've got all those news stations saying the exact same thing. Right. I mean, 30, 40, 50. It's like, so you're telling me that you're not getting your marching orders from somebody? Like, oh, no, we independently, no, no, you're getting, there are certain stories you get your marching orders on. And I know this because when I was locked up and I started doing research on cases, like I, let's say I was writing your story and your criminal. and I ordered a bunch of course I ordered the freedom of information at everything else but I would get the like the U.S. attorney would put out a press release and then the following day I would get a bunch of articles in so it's like okay well this is dated on the third and then on the fourth these 15 or five or 10 articles came out and they're almost identical to this and I started noticing that unless it was a maximum massively huge case. If it was just a small case, well, not a small case for them to release,

a press release has to be a semi big case, but there's tons of big cases. You would note, I would notice, I'm like, you know, the only different, like this is a consolidated version of this. And this article is a larger version of this, but it's got a few quotes in it. So they made a few, this guy made some calls, two calls, you know. And this one, they're really just expanding on them. but probably just called the U.S. attorney. Like, they didn't do any research. It's all the, their marching orders

are the press release issued by the U.S. government. Just the talking points. Right. And so, like, to me, and maybe you have a large, larger one where they went and they did their own research, found another article from two months earlier,

and maybe added a few of the details in from that one, just by saying, like, this investigation was started three months ago when this happened. And then they include that, like, they're not doing anything. They're rewriting the basic articles. And sometimes they're not even changing anything. Because the truth is, is that if the press release is put out by the federal government, then it's fair game. I can, I can pull almost verbatim from it. I don't even rewrite it. Are they being transparent about it at least? No, they don't say anything. They just say, they just regurgitate

what was already said in a slightly different way that, hey, there was, you know, 17 people were arrested and a massive, you know, Ponzi scheme connected to Bitcoin. Like, it's literally, like, they don't know anything that wasn't in this. And they say the whole thing and you'll have eight or ten different articles that are all taken from here. Nobody's done anything. And so now when you go and you look, now what happens if this guy was found not guilty? There's no press release put out about him being found not guilty. You know, or half the charges being dropped and he pleads guilty to one count of wire fraud and gets a year. Like, That initial press release makes it sound like he's going to do.

He's looking at 90 years. He's an arch criminal. What happens when the guy pleads guilty to one count of wire fraud eight months later and does six months in jail because he lied on some form? Then he's done. Like it's over. But that nobody's doing any real investigative work anymore. It has to be dropped. A lot of those stories that are.

major investigative works are being done by people that aren't even journalists. Does that make sense? Like they do it on the side. Well, so I have a real problem with that in it of itself, the quote unquote real journalist. Like I get this online where people are like, well, you didn't get a degree for journalism. So who validates? It doesn't.

You don't have to. There's no real, when I say real journalists, I mean like somebody who that's like their full time job is like they write newspaper articles. They write for magazines. Like that's their full time job. but a lot of stuff is done by some guy who works at Home Depot and on the side he's looking into this weird thing and he's making some phone calls and before you know it he puts together an article and he and he's got an article written or he posted on a blog and then that blog or that that article ends up become you know some other journalist comes in and they grab it and ends up in the newspaper well nobody was looking into this before yeah this guy's the one who who stumbled on to it and gathered all the information and ordered the freedom of information Act and put it all together and then somebody else picks it up and runs with it. But I mean, there's so many things that are just incorrect that are out there and being propagated.

Well, so this is the, so there's this idea that like, that there's all these conspiracy theories. The problem is is the conspiracy theories start to come true and hold themselves true. Then you start to be like, well, maybe there is some validity to that guy at Home Depot who was just doing the background research. I mean, maybe he didn't get every single fact right. No, I'm saying he probably got everything right. saying there's like there's no real journalists that are really looking into anything i mean here's what i don't is like the new york times is is run on a on a a skeleton crew yeah compared

the amount of people that worked at the new york times you know 20 years ago there's it's nothing like there's almost nobody there that would be shocked if they're going to scale it down even more and just start having chat gpd right stuff oh i'm sure they already are who knows what's going to come what's going to happen. I mean, and the ability to have, you know, artificial intelligence

mislead you. Like, I've watched several articles on that. They're like, listen, when AI starts to lie to us or starts to realize that they can manipulate us

to get its way and it's plugged into everything, how frightening would that be? Oh, and it's happening. It's not hard to, it's not hard to manipulate somebody anyway. Like,

let's say I'm, let's say I, you're, you steal some money. You still. $650,000, $700,000. Well, I don't, 700,000 doesn't sound sexy. So what I say is he sold nearly a million dollars.

Yeah. Is that a lie? No. But you know what? The person who reads it says, the moment I read that article and somebody, and Colby says something and sparks a conversation, like, oh, bro, this guy, he was, he was robin ATMs. He stole a million dollars. I'm not going to tell Colby, it was nearly a million dollars.

When Colby tells somebody else, it'll be over. a million dollars the truth is I said nearly a million I said nearly a million because a million sounds sexier right but it's manipulative so you're pegging someone's brain to that number and that's not even a lie because guess what 700,000 is nearly a million dollars in my my opinion it's nearly a million dollars yeah so you know it's not to me that's not even necessarily a lie is it manipulative yeah it's kind of but it's also sexier and you know I'm not I'm not prosecuting anybody I'm just telling a story so wait till AI can

manipulate on a scale that humans can't fathom. Yeah. Well, and it's going to be so much better at manipulating because because of all the data that's being collected in Italy actually implemented a ban on chat GPT because of all the personal data that it was inputting because, you know, part of using chat GPT is is quote unquote programming the chat to speak in your voice or speak in a certain way, right?

Like, you know, you can train to speak in your, you know, Matt Cox's voice, Marks-a-von voice, whatever. So Italy shut it down because it's what it's going to be able to do is take it's going to know us inside and out Know our personalities our proclivities what scares us what excites us our relationships and it's going to be able to manipulate us based on how well it knows us Facebook knows when you have colon cancer before the doctor knows you have colon cancer and so it's going to be able to manipulate us at scale once it's plug it into these algorithms way better than a human being can my opinion you know god for bid, you have a neural link hooked up to the back of your skull. And then, you know, it's feeding into you AI ideas. It's taking out data at scale. You know what's really shocking is how much data is actually attached to your email address. I know I'm jumping around here. But I was talking

this AI app developer on my show the other day. And he has this calendar app. And this is how it works. It's pretty incredible. It's a sales. It's a sales calendar. And so if I send you the calendar, hey, Matt, sign up for an appointment. We're going to talk. We're talking about your product. You input your email and this AI app scours the web for all data associated with your email where you've worked where you went to college where you live your wife how many dogs you have how many kids you have what are your interests you know your email is pegged to so every time you log into something your email is pegged to that so it can use your email to get all this data and then when we hop on the phone call already know everything about you right it gives me all the prompts all the talking points

we can get down to business faster because i can start to develop rapport with you much more quickly which is pretty cool. Even on the back end, another thing that it does, it's really cool is because I have your email attached, because it's already done all the research on where you live and whatnot, let's say we're in Florida here. Hurricanes coming through Florida, the AI app will automatically send you an email and say, hey, Matt, hope you're okay. I know the hurricane's coming.

Let me know if you need anything. Boom. Now we're like best buds because you're like, wow, Mark is really thinking about me. It's not the AI app that I have programmed properly to get you pegged down, you know. So it's mind boggling. Not necessarily manipulation, that's a relationship building. But it's still manipulative because let's face it, if I know that you're a huge Trump supporter and on the phone and I know that and I go into the conversation with that and I say,

oh, you know, and I just mentioned that my next door neighbor, he just, it's just, you know, hey, what's going on? Eh, it's nothing. Everything's fine. Oh, everything okay. Well, yeah, you know, I mean, I probably shouldn't say this, but God, no, my neighbor put out this Biden sign and I just can't stand the guy like he doesn't the guy can barely put together a you know words to form a sentence and I just don't get it I don't you know

I shouldn't even say that but listen that guy on the phone's going to be like he's going to be more because mostly people stay away from politics so he's going to be like I'm with you bro like he's going to go with you over the next guy who's a young millennial who he already feels like, I don't trust you, something's up with you. So he may be like, yeah, you know, like, hey, I hear you, bro. Listen, I was at a Trump rally last month. That was Biden guy. They drive me. That's it. We're in. I'm good. That. And if I know you have kids and I say, yeah, you know, what worries me is, you know, I've got a daughter, right? It just really worth. I hear you, man. I got a son and two daughters. I hear you. Like, do you know my daughter? She's 17. She didn't even

a driver's license? Man, these kids, man, I can't believe. That's it. We're good. I don't have a daughter. And I don't, you know, none of that's true, right? So it doesn't matter. Now, right now, when we get down to business, I've already won you over. Right. So you may actually take a less favorable deal just because you're, you like me. You trust me. We're on the same page.

We're good. Yeah, people work with people that are like, I don't even barely sell anymore. Like if someone who takes the time out of their day to go to your website, book a link on your calendar, they already know that they want to buy it. They just want to know that they like you and they want to work with you, right? Right. So if you know all that information about them, it's just, it's over. And then again, you plug it into your CRM, which is sending out automatic emails.

You put them into an email sequence and you can customize it at scale using AI. I mean, the possibilities are endless. The possibilities are, I mean, it's, I don't know, it's, it's really fascinating to me how this is going to roll out. And in privacy, I think, becomes a big question. I don't even know if we can have privacy anymore. I'm pretty much an open book. Um, I think I'm worried, I think I'm worried about, uh, you know, my, my, uh, my, uh, my private information, but, you know, there's, I mean, like you, you, you want to have, like, we were going, we came here today. We drove down from Fort Lauderdale. And it's like, I want the GPS to tell me which way to go. I, like, back when I was growing up, we had MapQuest or I had a road at list. How old are you, bro? 40. I just turned 40 this year. Yeah. Colby doesn't even know what MapQuest is. I don't know of this paper

Printed out You know Brother Listen when I was on the run And I was driving around I'm all driving all around the United States Like map quest If I didn't have map quest

I wouldn't have known where Like I couldn't probably follow a map You know the streets are You got these little streets are this small And you had to remember you had to flip open The back to look up the The street name And then try and find it on the map

Like it's now I look at it Like it just seems like I feel like a caveman even knowing that I mean I don't think I get anywhere Without my GPS. I couldn't. listen, I don't know my address. You know, every time somebody asks me in my address, I'm like, hold on.

I have to pull it up and I look and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, here it is, here it is. I've been here two years. Well, no, over two years, I've been here over two years. I can't tell you the address. I don't know any of the streets, how to get here. I just found out that I think this is either, the main street is either 54 or 56. I don't know. It's amazing.

It says turn left. It's, I follow this blue line. That's what I'm doing. It's amazing. And that's because we give up our privacy. to help us to tell us where like i want to get better ads i want to get notified when like i don't know a microphone goes on sale or something right and and by by getting a better experience you have to give up your privacy i was just thinking listen i wish my wife was here bro she's so she's such

a conspiracy like just nut like she is listen i if you go into the the um our uh our whatever pantry Listen, there's there's a thing of dried, have you seen this? It's actually gone down a little bit. It's top ramen noodles. Oh, yeah. We've got cans of tuna fish. And this is all because in case the grid goes down. Sure.

We have, I have a water filtration system that you can suck up water out of a dirty pond and pump it and it will clean the water for you. she got a survival book that I bought her one paper book yeah yeah not digital you got to go paper yeah a paper a paper one I walked in I said hey what have you been doing she's like read a couple chapters of the survival book she's constantly saying like we we were in New York well I was in New York and I took a picture of like the New York skyline the other day and said it to her and her response was not it's amazing it's gorgeous she was like my God I wouldn't want to be there if the grid went down like what are you doing like I can't blame her like because you know listen I don't want to spend all my days worrying about what might happen but I'll be damned if I'm not prepared when it does

happen I got chickens I got banana trees you need to know how to make antiseptic that's pretty important my mom's funny too she had love you mom she had beans like hidden cans of beans hidden all over the house in the couch and the attic all over the place just in case raiders came through just in case the grid goes down. Oh, God. That's crazy. Listen, she wants to buy, like, we have to buy at least an acre. We have to get an acre.

When we move out of here, we want to get an acre, move somewhere, away from the city. Because you understand what this was going to be like when the grid go down. I'm like, the grid's not going down. Do you understand? I don't know, man. I mean, everyone is terrified of nuclear war, but an EMP bomb going off in, like, downtown. That's what she's worried about. Yeah.

What do you do? Or like, we had a weather, we had a Chinese balloon to flow all the way across the entire. nation. What was that all about? I mean, they're spying. Everybody spies on each other. Doing recon and it's going to use AI to evaluate all of the landscape. It's probably picking out like weak points, different places where maybe there's tunnels or silos or who knows what. Yeah, no, I mean, listen, I would like to be on an acre somewhere away from everybody. She says we have to survive 90 days because by that point, 90% of society will have starved death and they'll be gone and will be the survivors. I don't know that I want to survive.

Like, I'd really almost feel like I'd prefer to be right under the nuclear bomb when it goes off. Like, it's over in an instant. And we're good. I'm done. It's fine. Like, when she watches walking dead, she sees herself as being one of the survivalists. I see myself as being one of the walking dead. Like, I don't think I make it that far.

I don't run fast. I'm not particularly athletic. I don't know how to hunt and fish. Like, I don't think I'm going to make it. But I don't know. I'm with your wife. I want to survive. I don't want to become a zombie.

I want to survive it. Seem that bad. I mean, you're not thinking. I would assume you're not thinking about it. Yeah, it's over. It's fine. You know, as long as it was over quick, I don't want to suffer. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I mean, like, I don't want to suffer either, but life is suffering at the end of the day. And also, I'm 54. Like, I've been around. I've done some stuff. I'm good. I feel like I, maybe I haven't experienced everything I want to experience yet, but I feel okay.

I don't know, man. I feel like we're going to start, we're going to start living a long time, man. Yeah. my mom was 90 i think she was 92 oh that's me too bro that's a long fucking time and you know when you start to think about like why are people breaking down and in dying is probably because of some sort of you know let's say it's a disease for example right there are AI for radiology i'll give you a specific example there's AI devices out now they are 50% more effective at finding cancer in the body than a radiologist 50% so if you're talking about screening and in eliminating

cancer like early AI is way more efficient at doing that right so that's just base level diagnosing and finding problems before they they they've all drains seems like these old people are a drain well you don't we don't don't get me started on social security and and the problems that you know people are living to 100 110 120 it's too much but like let's tell you enough already so you break a hip you can't we have like a cap like at 90 like you you have to report at 90 you have to report somewhere you know you maybe in Canada. They give you, they give you, like you, you know, like I think it, like dying from, like

an opiate, right, like morphine seems like a good way to go. Like they give you, they get a slow drip for maybe an hour or so and they slowly up the dose and you just fall asleep and you stop. Like, that seems okay to me. And at 90, like you've had a good run. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. This is going to bring the comment.

You'll get to edit this. No. You'll be able to edit. Listen, this one part. You can make, what timestamp? Slow dripping, the elderly. You can timestamp this and mark that, listen, you got to get rid of this part. I don't know what this guy went off script.

I don't know what he was saying. Yeah, it sounds like you and Justin Trudeau would get along quite well, quite well. Or in Seattle, they're doing like, assisted assisted suicide. It's, that's crazy, dude. When you start talking about like, you kind of drink. I'm Catholic. I don't believe that. That is literally happening in Canada where they're saying, like, well, we can't afford to provide you medical services.

But have you considered killing yourself? Like, here's a nice. brochure to show to grandma i'm i'm i'm a huge capitalist like i i love capitalism but to be honest with you you know i would like free health care so i you know it would be nice like i get it i love the i love the um i love the tic talks when they'll send they'll show like all these you know american jets and and uh what is it the uh the carriers and everything and it's like uh you know the whatever China's about to find out why Americans don't have free health care and they'll show this massive carrier and the jets taking off. Oh, man. You never seen that? No, no, I have.

That's hilarious. I'm like, that's true. It's true. Yeah, free health care. I don't know if it's possible, to be honest, because there's so, there's so many different health care providers. Like, you would have to go in and nationalize all these. You'd have to go in and buy up all these companies. That's terrifying, isn't it? Yeah, it is. You need to have incentive structures, too. But anything the government runs, they do a horrible job. Yeah, I don't know anything that they do super well. Well, no. You can leave that in the comments.

The military. The military, although it's, of course, I'm sure they're also paying way too much for every single thing they get. But, you know, we do have a pretty good military. But if you throw enough money at that problem, you're going to get some good stuff. Yeah, yeah, I would think so. You know, I think it comes down to incentive structures at the end of the day. Like when Biden announced that, hey, we're going to give you a better interest rate on loan if you have a worst credit rating yeah well he's an idiot what the hell is that that's just

stupid that's just stupid that that's as stupid as that's as people that have never had slaves paying reparations to people that were never slaves right it's just what are you doing stop it or or if you do you know for the if you have a large student debt we're going to pay off your student debt bro these are the richest wealthiest people that have the greatest opportunity for upward advancement you're just going to pay off all their debts well listen as soon as that was announced i thought wait a second like that debt most of that debt is not even held by by the government like these are private organ private banks have lent that money based on guidelines set by the government so the government would have to come in and buy up all that debt and then satisfy it so you know even if it's held by

even though a bulk of it may be held by let's say um fanny may or or Freddie Mac or, you know, Sally May, right? Sally May that holds the student loans, right? I believe, yeah, I believe so. So, but it's still not all of it. So you can't go to, if you're making, because I was making my payments when I had a, when I had student loans, I was making my payments to, to banks. Yeah.

So, but I had borrowed the money from like Sally May and then I was making payments to bank, to different banks. So it's like, so you can't go to Bank of America. and tell them that they're going to satisfy that debt. And, of course, you know, it went all the way up to what, to the Supreme Court. Yeah. You can't do that. The Supreme Court struck it down.

And then Biden came back a few months later and said, we're going to do it anyway. No, you're not. And not just that you're not going to do it. But let's face it, you, then he comes in. He says he's going to all possession charges. What was it all possession charges for federal prisoners were forgiving all for marijuana? Nobody's in prison for. for possession in in in federal prison yeah i don't know i didn't they're like like and everybody came out

all these federal guys were coming out say what is he talking about what are you talking about there's no you can't pardon all these people there are no people in in federal prison for possession of marijuana like it's distribution i could see maybe like a massive drug smuggler who took drugs across international lines yeah but that would be trafficking like there's no charge like he for he's forgiving charges that don't exist that would be a huge duby yeah i mean to get groped up You know, it's the same thing. There's all kinds of ridiculous things that happen. Yeah.

It's like saying there's nobody coming across the border illegally. What are you talking about? That's a scary, that's a scary thing. That's a scary thing. I don't even know what to think. I don't know how we're going to resolve it. I mean, maybe, I don't know if you saw that there's, there's Amazon stores that have facial recognition technology.

When you go in and buy something, you don't need to take out your wallet. You don't need to take out anything. You just go in, grab what you want to walk out. And it automatically charges your account, based on facial recognition software. That's pretty cool. So it sounds cool, but okay, so you're doing that at, let's say, an Amazon store. Then it's a, then it's a mall, then it's a city.

Or what if somebody orders a, goes on Facebook, gets a bunch of your pictures of you, creates a face that looks like yours, and then goes into that store, buys a bunch of stuff, and it scans that face, that mask. Because if you've seen these masks that they can pull down over themselves, they look amazing. sure you know what I'm talking about sure um have you you know I'm talking about like it's a full rubber mask that you can peel you can put you can put have you seen these they're they're amazing looking they're envisioning what's that movie with Keanu Reeves where they're robbing banks that's kind of what I'm envision no no no this is more like mission impossible wow like you're

peeling at all like you you they do a whole thing it looks that real that you look to me listen there was a guy from China that came from China with one of these and they caught him where did they catch him he had already come into the united states and they caught him like coming through passport control because he actually got in front of somebody they looked nobody had ever had ever realized it till he got right up in right up in front of them and they were like something's up that's shocking yeah disguised as an air passenger the mask is no good though like that doesn't show a good picture of the mask yeah i read a whole article they're saying eight people were involved because i i when i read the article he had just been arrested

It makes sense it would be an old man mask because you could kind of wrinkle it a little bit. Yeah, but this thing was like really, it's too bad they don't show it when it was on him because it was it's not it was snug and good. This is peeled off. A Hollywood based company, SPFX masks later said the mask was one of its models called the elder. The firm said it was proud of how authentic its products look, but never intended them to be misused. That's that's amazing. Yeah, but think about it. think about what like um god what is it uh what are the um the 3d printers yeah like if you take

multiple photographs of somebody and it creates a likeness of them and then can print that person's likeness in a life size you could then take that and superimpose it onto a mask a rubber mask so you've seen how they make the mass right they make a mold of you right and then they take the the opposite of the mask and they connect it over there you put the nostrils of it in and the eyes, if you could get the eyes so that they actually linked up, you could basically almost duplicate somebody. Wow. I mean, I would think that that's definitely coming.

I got to do that. Got to get a face mask of somebody rich and then walk into an Amazon store and just clean them out. Right. Have you seen it was like, there's like a fake Keanu Reeves TikTok page or something like that? Like you could just get people to go crazy thinking that you were the real person. Facebook, Instagram, they just released like fake, like a fake. fake like a Mr. Beast AI where you go he's got right all AI done videos you can message it

they'll message you back it's not called Mr. Beast it's like hey on Bob like Mr. I don't I'm not Mr. Beast I'm Bob but it's it's like clearly Mr. Beast and it's like partnered with Facebook and meta it's like their channel there's one of like Kylie Jenner or one of the generous Paris Hilton Snoop Dog yeah uh Chris Paul there's there's a bunch there's a bunch of them, yeah. Did you... Like, they're partnered with them. It's ridiculous.

I think it did like a recording session for like three hours and now everything's AI. So if I wanted to, if I was forward or something, I could just be like talking to, you know, whoever. Well, I mean, I told you that like Jess's daughter spent like two or three hours on the couch talking to AI like a friend. Yeah. It's telling, she's giggling and laughing.

We're like, who are you talking to? What are you doing? She's like, oh, talking to the chat gpt and you know it's just so my god it's so funny and you know and but having a conversation back and forth back and forth telling jokes laughing joking about this and dude within five years half of the population is going to be in a sexual relationship with AI chatbots no doubt in my mind there's already a company it's called replica dot ai okay and it's designed to be a chat bot they create these avatars that you can you can chat with

it could be your AI friend well what ended up having was millions of young men were developing sexual relationships. They were getting into these sexting conversations with these AI chatbots. So Replica decided we're going to go public. We want to go big with this company. But we've got to cut out the sexting because it's a little bit trashy. It's not the image we want for investors. They shut it down. There was uproar. Millions of young men, millions, saying, you've lobotomized our girlfriends. lobotomized their girlfriends. And you know what the company did?

They turned the feature back on to the people that were grandfathered in. So right now, there are millions of people that are already in relationships with these AI chatbots. I was talking, it gets crazier. I was talking to an AI app developer the other day. Because I talk about AI a lot and I've got this platform, I speak to a lot of AI app developers. So I'm speaking to this guy, and this is what he does. He creates AI influencers for Instagram and YouTube. I think the name of it was Daria.ai.

And this AI influencer is a perfect 10 out of 10. She's gorgeous, beautiful, perfect body, perfect background. She looks amazing. By the way, there's a bunch of them out there. So if you're into blondes, brunettes, Asian, whatever you're into, you can find them. Right. And A, they get paid for sponsored posts. I've seen AI influencers like Lil McQuela get paid up to $10,000 for one post.

okay but that's not it not only do they get paid for for posting well for just a dollar per minute you can actually text with your favorite AI influencer just like we're talking about so they they rope you and this is like the greatest thirst trap of all time dude Matt I don't even understand why why that even is appealing like does it make sense like I don't get it's it doesn't even seem appealing but yet people well you understand higher relationships with but then again And it also, you know, there are people that have, remember when it, well, when I was growing up, like you had, you know, well, really wasn't even when I was growing up. I was already, I was in prison during this time. But this was a big thing was like you had Facebook friends, right? People that live five states away that you've never met, but you talk to them constantly through Messenger and you have entire like friendships with them. And you've never talked, you've never, you've never spoken to the person on the phone. It's been three years. You're sharing photos. You're spending hours a day texting. Like to me, there's no, what's the relationship? like this is a joke right like this isn't a real friendship and they would really feel like they were a friendship well it's like falling in love online you've never you spoke to this person twice

on the phone you've been texting them for a year two six months and now you're gonna meet and you're telling me you're you're in love with this person and you want to marry them you've been texting a couple hours a day like to me that that has no appeal and yet people do it all the time so it's insane so what you're saying it has no appeal to me but it's obviously it's it's a it's massively huge huge that's ridiculous huge did you so but you were going to say something i interrupt you i'm sorry well you know and i'm with you i there's a ton of people on my facebook friends list that i've never met or like maybe i was a friend of a friend of a friend or you know whatever so so you're right there um but i mean to to this to this point about

these ai influencers being such a big thirst trap is a thing right i mean like we get i understand why thing right i don't think it's good for you i think there's a lot of talk toxic stuff. But I understand why it's such a big industry, right? These AI texts, so you can kind of see like, okay, I'm a man. I see it. We're women, but primarily men, you see an image where we're motivated visually, less emotionally, more visually. Okay, I see the image. I'm turned on dot, dot, dot, dot. Right. Same thing with these AI influencers. You see an image, you're turned on. It doesn't, they look so realistic, Matt. That doesn't matter if they're real or not real. or I should say, if they're physically real or not real.

I was going to say when it comes down to it, it would. Well, yes, but how many guys are addicted to how many young men are not actually getting married? Like, we're not even reproducing at replacement rate right now. I think we're like at 1.9 per couple, right? But it's the same concept. It's just taking the next level because now when you tell it something, it will tell you back what you want to hear. Yeah. And this is even before you get involved, like, the next level of virtual reality and augmented reality.

Have you seen the show? I want to say it's on, oh, man, I want to say it's on Netflix called a Black Mirror. Oh, yeah. Did you see the one where this woman's husband dies? I think it's a car accident. He dies. And a friend of her, at the funeral, a friend of hers comes and says, listen, I, you know, I know. I know you miss him and I she's like you know she's crying I miss him so much and she's like look I mean I I hate to bring this up but you know there's a there's an app that you can if you allow it to it will read all of his emails and correspondence and text from you know to you and it will create a virtual personality and he can you can communicate with him and she's like I don't want to do that well anyway you know she gets all upset and everything well she ends up doing it a few days later a week later she's just not

it's starting to feel better so she ends up doing it well she's carrying on such an amazing relationship with this person now like he's almost better than he ever was right the texting but and at some point it upsells her like hey for this much money we can recreate him we actually give you a robot and send the robot and she has the robot there and they're i think they even they basically grow and like they fill up a bathtub or something and she puts this foam thing in there like a you know like a what do you call it like a um a baby in the fetal position right like it's a it's a full size like he's light like she puts him in the thing and fills the tub up and pour some stuff in there and it basically at some point he stands up and it's him

you know days later or something but she's it and it looks just like him and it's perfect and i mean he's better than he ever was like it's a better version of her husband uh it's kind of terrifying it's amazing bro that that episode is amazing it's 100% going to happen i you know i don't know about the physical reality did you watch the interview with uh lex friedman and mark zuckerberg no so basically the way it works is there are hundreds and hundreds of miles away and they put on the next generation of virtual reality goggles and it uses this face record facial recognition technology uses technology to like look at the eyes it looks very realistic right very realistic. What does? The girlfriend? Well, they put on these virtual reality goggles and it maps out

the person's face. So it's just like you and I are talking three feet from each other. Right. It's just like Zuckerberg and Friedman are in the same space speaking right next to each other. Okay. Right. And they go, it's really fascinating. But they go into all these conversations. That's one thing they talk about is in this virtual reality world, you can program an AI avatar to be like a deceased loved one. So that, you know, And that's very soon. I don't know how quickly the physical, your physical companion is going to be there. Yeah, well, I mean, it's stages. You'll have to, you know, there's robots.

And then, you know, as, as robotics or, you know, as Android's become a real thing, you know, maybe, it may be 50 or 100 years in the future. But at some point, I can imagine that that would be, unless it was just, unless the government came in and said, look, that we can never replicate people, you know, and something along. The government's going to be creating soldiers at scale. Right. You know. You don't even need soldiers, bro. They won't even create soldiers. It's going to be nothing but drones and bombs.

Well, at some point, you always probably need boots on the ground. Yeah. Well, robot dogs is what you're going to have. They actually, in New York City, they had a robot dog, like the Boston dynamic type of dog. People were freaking the hell out in 2021, so they shelved it. They sent it to the kennel. They actually brought it back here in 2023. So it's going to be like, you know, like disarming bombs and doing some like really high risk stuff.

But robot dog police people are here. They actually just, I think, in the past couple of weeks, um, have put in robots into the subway system to help, to help, you know, video and fine crime happening right in the middle of these subway systems. That's funny. It's like, uh, well, I mean, there's tons of things. I remember the, um, the remake of, uh, remake of total recall. Yeah.

And they have the, they have a bunch of, they have these Android police and the guys are spitting on. They're yelling at them. like I was like they're just being completely abusive to the robots and I was thinking I would still be polite. I'm just a nice person like I you know I say thank you to Siri sometime well you will until they lock up or or murder or provide you know perform some sort of evil act on someone that you love they don't have emotion right no well it's like you know Elon Musk was talking about like AI where he was like look you know the problem with AI is that is that like you

know it's like if you're putting in a row if you're told if we're told to put in a row row and we realize that there's an ant pile in the way. We just run right over. We scrape it off. We don't think anything about it. We were told to do this. This was in the way. We have to get rid of that.

And he's like, that's the fear of AI is that AI may decide that this is something that needs to be done and humanity is in the way. And therefore it has to be eliminated to get this done. And we'll think nothing of it because it's emotionalist. So it wouldn't be like it's evil. It's just like, oh, wow, this is becoming an issue. Like if you were to give it the, if it was plugged into everything.

and you were to give it as part of its agenda to, you know, clean up the planet and make it, you know, make the planet whole again. Okay, well, then the problem is all these fossil fuels. And the problem with that is this. And the problem with that is this and this. And as a result of that, really the problem is these humans. We got to get rid of the humans. Yeah. Like job one is getting rid of them. And so, okay, let's go ahead and just knock them out. And how do we do that? And they start working on that problem. And within a split second, they've decided that humans are a plant problem. And they start trying to eliminate us. are you familiar with the with the trolley problem yeah i don't know with that trolley

so this is the trolley it's it's just kind of expanding on what you're saying here so let's say there's a trolley right it's on a on a track it's going forward and it recognizes that there is a person in the way or there's three people in the way right and it knows that if it continues forward and runs over those three people are going to die tragedy right but it has the option of swearing off of that track, in which case it'll only run over two people. So it has the option. Do I run over the three people by going straight? Or do I change course to run over two people? Right. And how is the AI going to know what, what to or what not to do? So here's the question. Would you let the trolley continue on its way? Or would you push the button

to veered off course where you knew it would only kill two people? Well, two people is the lesser of the two evils. It seems, but does that make us the killer? Does that make us a murderer by touching the button? There's no good option. There isn't. Right. So how does the AI make that decision of what to do?

Maybe it says, okay, here's the social credit score of these people on the track. Here's a social credit score of the people that aren't on the track. Right. These people are more of a benefit to society than not. It does a calculation. Yeah. End up being, like, like the, did you see the movie I-Robot? Oh, yeah, Will Smith.

You know what's funny about that movie? If you read the book, and I forget who the author is, the book is like 900 pages long. The chapter, which isn't even a chapter, it's like three or four pages out of that book that discuss the revolution that took place on Earth. Wow. They took those three or four pages and turned it into that movie, Irobot. Wow. If you read that whole book, the whole book, do you know the woman, the woman that he's the computer psychologist that loves the robots, it's all in on the robots, yeah.

So that whole book, the 900 pages, she was actually, remember how she's very analytical, or very emotionalist, because in the book, they don't, I mean, they don't explain this in the book, but in the, I'm sorry, they don't explain this in the movie. In the book, she was actually raised by the first robots that were created as nannies. So her first nanny caretakers, because her parents were rich, but distance, raised her. So she was raised by robots. So she becomes very, you know, emotionally unavailable. Then she becomes a robot psychiatrist.

And then so that whole book is taken from an interview with her. Wow. So it's like I interview her and she's like 180 years old. And she's been there from the beginning of. robots. And so she does this massive interview, and that's the whole book is taken from the interview with her. And that iRobot is like three pages. She mentions it for two or three pages out of the whole book. And talk about an exhausting, like if you weren't locked up in prison, you'd never read this book. It was horribly too. It was 600 pages too long. It would have

been a great 300 page book. Anyway, what I was going to say is remember he ends up. up being saved and the robot, the two cars go off and they're sinking and he's screaming for the robot to save the child. And the robot is a, it's just calculates, I have a better chance of saving this human than that one. Even though that one had a 12% chance of being saved and he has a 45% chance of being saved, it made a decision, this is the one I can save. There's a better chance I can save him. This one has very little chance. But a human would say, that's a child. You save the child. Fuck this dude.

Right. He's lived his life. He's 35, 40 years old. He's had a good run. You go for this one. Even if you, even if the chances are less, you try and save the child. But the robot will never know that. So that's a great, right?

That's a great. That to me, that's the same thing you're saying. You're saying social credit score. But what if you're right? If a robot's on that track and says there's three people, you know, I can swerve. I'm still going to take out two of them. Which one do I take out? Well, if the credit score was amazing of these two people and they were perfect, great people and they contributed to society, but one of them was a 12 year old child, doesn't matter. I'm taking out the two adults. You're going to save the child. Unless you program it to know that. Yeah, but who's doing the programming? That's like the amount of power involved with programming these types of robots and systems and screening systems and social credit scores. I mean, unbelievable, unbelievable amount of power. You know, and with great power comes great responsibility. And I,

I don't see a lot of responsible powerful people. I love Spider-Man. Yeah. You know what I'm thinking right now is that Colby and I had a long discussion where I talk 90% of the time, 95% of the time, before you got here, and it was very specific, from now on, we need to just be focusing on interviewing people about crime. Yeah. This is not that interview.

we've been like we were like looking over all of our videos it's like this one didn't do any good not related to crime this one didn't do it not related to crime this one did like all these ones aren't related to crime and you and I are having this whole conversation about AI that's not necessarily related but you know I think it's relevant because people aren't talking about this stuff yet you know I listen I can't wait till it till till some some can't this is a horrible thing to say but it's true but I shouldn't say it is it till some organization comes in and starts utilizing AI and really pulls off some shit. Like that's going to be some mission impossible, you know,

mission impossible. They do stuff with the masks and different things, you know, for the good. Yeah. But there's going to be some organization. And honestly, you know who it's going to be. It's going to be somebody like China who's essentially, look, North Korea and China have organizations in the government that they're hired and you are a full-time hacker. North Korea has an entire organization within the government of hackers that are running

credit card scams on Europeans and Americans. So they are buying dumps of information. They're ordering stuff. They're putting money on cards. They have people in the United States that cash them out and send the money. And they're generating billions of dollars doing this. You know, this is just you know, keep in mind, this is, that whole country is, is, it's a criminal organization, obviously, but, you know, they're, like, you know, they're starving to death. Like that, that regime, a portion of that regime is being propped up other than just stealing from its own, its own people. It's also propped up by running illegal organizations in other countries, you know,

not to mention, like, they have supernotes that are U.S. supernotes, but they can only funnel so many of those in, but imagine that at some point, they're probably already using some forms of AI to come up with scams where AI is helping them because that's what you really need initially well because people get roped in these scams because you trigger their emotions right yeah and like we talked about AI is so powerful at bringing in all this data and then putting in like everything that we do is tracked right everything what about like if you heard of the Russian dating scams I haven't okay so Russian dating scams are where they I mean,

they, look, predominantly they were started in Russia. Like, you know, who, so it's probably just dating scams in general. But what they would do is, they go on the free,

you know, you get like a free month or so, right? So you go on and you set up an account. And let's say you're in Russia. So you set up, you set up an account on match.com, eharmony, all of these things.

And you take photographs of some girl who's, whatever, 24, 25 years old. She's cute. She's not over the top gorgeous, but she's gorgeous. And you start approaching these guys. And you, these people start a correspondence with these guys in semi-broken English, right? So they know something's up. They don't tell them at first. But once the guys start to start to really make inquiries, the girl is like, look, I've actually lived in Russia. You know, like I know I said I live in Pittsburgh, but I'm actually, you know, first they tell you I'm Russian. But then eventually they say, look, I'm actually not in Pittsburgh. I've

actually in Russia. So they kind of like develop the relationship on the front end. Exactly. So they've got they suck them in and then they say, look, I'm in Russia. But I'm at and then so you're going to lose some guys. But I'm actually saving money right now to come to the United States. It costs about $1,400. I've already got like $800 save in a couple months I'm planning on coming. And here's what they do. So so for an extra $600, $500, $400, for $400, if I give you $400 right now, you'd come. Yeah. So the girl doesn't even ask. The guy's like, oh, that's all you need. I'll give it to you. Right. So, hey, no problem. And they send them $400. So then they, they send them a copy of their passport, the ticket they've bought. It's a real ticket. The guy can go and check. Oh, it is a real

ticket. Now, I can't prove that she's on the plane, but it doesn't matter. Now, here's the hook. Typically, the person calls. So you get a phone call. From Russia very brief hello Jim oh my gosh I can't do Russian but they do a whole broken you oh I can't believe I speaking to you oh my that's it boom that's it it gets cut off then you get the email oh my gosh I'm so sorry you know the phone system is so bad here but doesn't matter it's a real person yeah it's not a body it's a real person doesn't matter they hired some chick that makes five calls a day right so she talked for 30 seconds so now you know this is a real person she wants

come, boom, you send her the 400 bucks. Gets the $400 says she's on the plane. Then you go to the airport. So now you're at the airport and you get the text on your phone. I'm in passport control, right? So I'm in immigration. I'm coming through. They stop me because I have no money.

They won't let me in to the United States. I have to have $900 or $800 to get through passport. Because otherwise, their fear is I'm not on vacation. I'm coming to, I won't leave. Can you send me $800? I'll give it back to you as soon as I get through. You're just on the other side of the wall. What do you do?

The guy goes and he, Western Union's $800. And then he stands there and he waits with his bouquet of flowers and he waits and he waits and he waits and she never comes. Gone. That's brilliant. He got you for $1,200, $1,400. Because to an American. $400 bucks is nothing. And imagine what a superhero you look like this to this chick.

This hot little chick wants to come to the United States. She's going to come here. She's going to stay with me. And for $400, it's nothing. But once you've paid the $400, now once you've already, you're invested, you're going to pay another eight. So you easily throw the eight. Why wouldn't I?

She's on the other side. I believe it. I talked to her on the phone. She flew in. I'm here. I got my flowers. This is great. I could see how you can get roped in so easily.

Absolutely. One of our most base human needs is companionship. And for $1,000, there's nothing, and you're getting the other $800 back right away. Yeah. As soon as she walks through the door. Wow, what, what a, how cruel. And you realize that most of these things are not even reported. People are humiliated.

They're embarrassed. And even if they are, you think the FSB is going to, you think that the FBI calls the FSB and they're going to go arrest somebody in Russia? They're like, you're ripping off America. Americans. I don't care about that. Yeah, they probably know it's like under a certain threshold too, right? Like they got it down. They got a down. Not just that. The Western unions where you send the money are owned by the mob. So you just pay 20% to the mob. So these are independent contractors and the mob gets 20% to cash it. They're not getting their money back. You really sent the money. What are you going to do? Oh, I want my money back. Why? Did you file a, well, I was scam. Did you file a police report? Did you like, think about it. They're never getting their money back. It's not going to happen. Yeah. And $1,000 in the U.S., I mean, in Russia, these people are living on $8,000 a year. That's a lot of money. You get two suckers a week doing that.

You are rolling in money in Russia. I would imagine it's pretty easy to scale that kind of an operation up. You know, how many guys... They do it everywhere now. They do it in Nigeria, everywhere. But it started in Russia. It was called a Russian dating scam. Now it's everywhere, I'm sure.

Yeah. But when it first came out, it was a Russian. So how would that work with... you don't even need to text the person. You can basically, because keep on what they were doing, they're going out and they're sending out, let's say, a hundred a day. They're fishing with 100 a day on Match.com.

Yeah. To try and get 40 people that respond, 20 people that stayed with the chat long enough, and then maybe 10 people that end up that they have to make the phone call to. Five of those people, think about that, that's a pretty good ratio. Even if you got 1% a day

that actually, went through the entire scam. I mean, that's, that's five to seven a week. It's all numbers. Yeah. It's all formula. It's all numbers. And now with chat GPT, you don't even have to do that. No, you could just create a chat. You can easily create and program a chat bot. It's not you can hire someone off of Upwork to program an entire chat bot. And then you have a phone, because you understand it's not a girl. It's some, it's a 22 year old guy. It's Andrew Tate on the other side. It's a guy, exactly. It's a guy you're talking to. So now you don't even need to hire the girl. You could have a Russian sounding person make that phone.

phone call. You know, it's just as easy to get it. It sounds so simple. It's like I got into launching and marketing with podcasts. I should have just gotten into Russian mail order brides. Like how that's unbelievable. You're also you're also praying on like these people that are like they probably feel immensely hopeless. You know, I just psychological and you're like depression and suicides are up. Like I don't know. I think that I would I would struggle with with doing something like that but i could see how easily you could get roped have you ever dated online yeah i like i like yeah no i've heard about that it's a problem um but yeah heard about those things yeah yeah i can i i hear yeah yeah that's horrible um but yeah definitely wow what a that would be that's a that's a

that with AI wow powerful yeah powerful yeah powerful and like we're talking about emails earlier and how easily you can scrape the web like you can scrape the web for emails at scale and you can pump out hundreds of thousands of emails a day. I'm just to say with AI, imagine you already, by the time you're actually talking with that person when they tell you their name and hell, can you give me your email address? Like right then, they can take that, dump that back into it and realize, okay, the guy's got two kids. He's divorced twice. He's got a dog. He works in this. So I need to start gearing my chat toward those things so that we have common interests. Yeah. Now you're really falling in love. It's not just a hot little 22 year old or 24 year old.

it's like this chick that we have a lot in common. She loves kids. She wants the date of guy that has kids. Do you have kids? I do have two kids. Oh my gosh. Are they teenagers? They're teenagers are just the best.

I do have teenagers. What? Yeah. It's crazy. And you could filter that automatically with with tagging and sequencing say, okay, this person's into dogs and kids. And then I'm going to send them a picture of me with my dog and kids. And then you can have an entire profile set up.

You have all these fake people. How many, how much of the internet do you think is just fake? people and fake bots like when Elon bought Twitter for 53 million he like purge I heard up to 80% of the platform because it was fake bots like it's horrible it's unbelievable it's unbelievable I just wonder you know it's this point where you've got bots following bots liking on other bots it's just like it's a complete mess you know do you ever get the the bot texts where they're like you know hey Jim did you get the package you know or whatever and it's you know to me even then I'm always like I'm not Jim

please leave me alone. Like, even though it's a bot, I still answer. I'm still like, you know, I'm still polite and nice. I'm like, listen, I'm not interested. No, you're a bot. Stop it. You know, I got an email just this week from quote unquote meta. Yeah. And it said, Hey, your account's been suspended for a copyright strike. Please click this link to appeal. Don't ever click a link online. Right. That you don't where you don't know where it's from. Never, ever, ever. That's how like how many people have lost their Bitcoin wallets, their crypto wallets. because they click on a link, hacker gets in,

all of a sudden they're into your metamask. They're into all of your crypto. You may never get your crypto back. Well, what about the, the, Vegas thing where they said, were gonna,

was it Cesar's that they shut down? Who was it? Yeah, yeah. Cesar's or was it, um, I don't know which one was, but one of them paid. One of them didn't.

One of them said, fuck you. And they were like, oh, okay, boom, we're shutting everything down. Now they wish they'd paid. Yeah,

but if you pay, doesn't that just create the incentive structure that we're going to keep, maybe but the other one did pay and they left them alone like they negotiated they said we want eight million they let's let's talk about this and they negotiated it down to let's say six million yeah and they paid them and everything was fine the other company that came in whoever it was um that they said oh we're not going to do that fuck you and they went okay watch this boom guarantee they did such damage to them and how much money they were losing every single day

as a result of that i promise you next time they pay maybe but it's like when you're getting bullied in school, the best way not to get bullied is to be difficult to bully, like you punch back, you know what I mean? If you just let kids bully you every day, they're going to keep coming back for more, you know, I don't know. I agree with you, but I mean, this is, I see what you're saying, but you've, when you have, um, because you're draining millions of dollars daily. Yeah, I was going to say when you've got a board of directors, it's more like, hey, let's just make it super difficult for them next time. Yeah. You know, um, see, let's see if this is possible. Let's have a backup system just in case. Like, they'll probably make it as

difficult as possible, but at some point if they, and I'm sure that they must have given them, shown them something like, hey, look, we're going to do something. It's going to be about five minutes. It's going to be a problem for you. We're going to turn everything back on. Otherwise, we're shutting your system down. So I'm sure they show them. So if they make it, so I'm sure that they now they'll go back, fix whatever problem that is, and hopefully it doesn't happen again. Yeah. But most of those things happen as a result of just like social engineering. You know, It's not because, I mean, most hacks are not as a result of somebody getting in the system. You know, it's not like a swordfish, you know, I've got this special code and I'm, I'm downloading it and I've got them.

We're in. I'm in. You know, it's more like, you know, it's they call customer service and then they say, I'm so-and-so and I work here and can you fight, but for some reason I'm locked out of this. Can you forward me to Jim so-and-so? Sure. They forward the call or the email. Next thing you know, it's Jim's like, oh, hey, Bob. Yeah, yeah.

I know. Hey, how's it going? And he thinks he's Bob. And yeah, yeah, man, I haven't locked out the system. Can you give me my reset my pass code? Yeah, no problem. I understand. Right. Really, it's some guy in North Korea. Right. And next thing you know, boom, he's now in the system and he's got access to $50 million and he starts siphoning off the money over the next two days or three days and you don't catch it until a couple million's gone. And you're like, oh my God, they hacked us. Did they really hacking? It's. Well, how often does it happen in regular businesses you say, I'll cut this little corner here because I don't want to have to go through all the systems. Yeah, all the, all the different things I'm supposed to do on. Well,

technically I'm, you know, the guy, the, the manual says I'm supposed to call so and so and do a system reset of, nah, fuck it, bro. Use my code. It's 5502. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know, I know it's Jim. He's right down. Look, I say, hey, Jim. Jim's talking to somebody else on the phone. It's like, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'm like a nerd or whatever, but I always hate cutting those corners for that reason. Like, I don't want to be the guy that's responsible for the, you know, the entire system imploding. Yeah, you got to get into the job. Like at schools, for example, schools, you know, with all these school shootings that are

happening, there's all these different regulations that are being put into place. And one of those would be like, you can only go in and out of this one door, teachers, only in and out of this one door and never leave the back door open. You know, teachers are like, oh, my car's right out there. No, it's going to happen. I'll just keep the door propped with this rock for a few minutes. then boom it only takes one time that you break that regulation where some the wrong person gets in the back door um did you see uh there's is actually a tic talk with uh julian um he's got

jim he's got a buddy named j or the guy that's been on his show is he's a retired FBI agent where he goes to like a a prep school like a super like top shelf prep school and and is able to walk right in. And they've, the security guard, they stop him. He's like, hey, I'm so and so. I'm with such and such. And I'm checking out the, you know, I'm checking out the prep school for my kid. Then the guy's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, go on in. He just walks right in. He said, he sounded confident. He believed me. He didn't check. Oh, I'm walk right in. He's like, I'm a grown man walking through a school, you know, unattended. Like, that should not have happened. Like, I'm walking through a middle school right now. Yeah. I could, you know, who knows?

Well, I think that's because most people don't walk around with their antennas up. They're not like hyper-focused. They're just not looking for fraud. Right. They're not. Here's what I always tell people when they're like, well, how did we stop this? How do we? Well, you have to realize that you have to think foremost, this could be fraud.

You don't have to be rude or anything, but you do have to think fraud's a possibility. And what I always noticed, when I would walk into a bank, if something didn't seem right and it showed up on their system, what they didn't think was fraud. fraud. Even if it said fraud alert. And what happens is you pull your credit. The problem is you do see fraud alerts. For instance, let's say I pulled your credit. Even if I pull your credit and I'm at Bank of America and I pull your credit, not that the people in the bank actually ever see your credit, but let's assume that somebody does see your credit. And they pull your, let's say you're a mortgage broker and I pull your credit right then. It shows up. It's going to say fraud alert on yours.

Because the problem is at some point, somebody has pulled your, you've, you have applied for some thing. And it has said, like, I don't know what your middle name is. Let's say it's, you know, Ralph. You know, Mark R. Savant. And then there's going to be another one where it's going to be Ralph Savant or it's going to be. And then, so right now, guess what? That's an alias. You now have an alias alert. It's going to say fraud alert, alias. And it's going to have two different version of your name. Now the person, me who pulled it, they're going to, okay, that's not a big deal. I know. I understand the problem. The other thing is every time you've moved fraud alert, multiple addresses. Wow. He's using different.

admit you fraud alert multiple and they're going to be like yeah yeah I understand but he said he lives here and this address last time it was pulled was two years ago and this is a new address so that's fine they swipe it no big deal what happens is people are programmed to look for an explanation interesting yeah if something is wrong on a w2 or a paste of or your your bank statement or something you've said instead of going oh okay um hold on a second or making a note oh Okay, I understand. And making a note and continuing and then going and saying, hey, I'm going to go to talk to my manager real quick to see about something

and walking off and saying, listen, this is what the guy just told me. This doesn't make sense. And here's what he gave me. Look at his W2. Yeah. Instead of saying that, what they do instead is they say, oh, I don't understand.

Your W2 says this. You said this. But that's not what your pay stub says. That gives you an opportunity. To give an explanation. To give an explanation. People are probably looking for an explanation. As a broker or a loan officer, I want an explanation. Like, it doesn't, I don't make any money if I catch someone committing fraud. I don't even get it out of boy. So what I always say is like you really should incentivize like, because I'll do the like cyber conferences and stuff where I do like keynote speaking. And they'll say, well, how do you do them? Like, well, you have to incentivize people where it's like, look, every time you're employee, if that loan goes through, he might make a hundred. or he might make, you know, $3,500. So you have to incentivize him to catch the fraud, you know, even if it's a quick

hundred bucks, like, hey, boom, we went back, we checked this, we checked this. Yeah, no, it's fraud. This guy's coming in fraud right now. We just called the, we just called his bank. These are fake. We just called here, this is fake. We called his employer. The guy's been working there for a month.

Yeah. He said two years and he gave us two W-2s that are not from them. so you just caught fraud great at a boy then i'd start people would start looking be more vigilant yeah you got to look at like what's it costing us in fraud how much is walking out the door anything even especially if it doesn't have to be like the equivalent of what i would have gotten had that gone through it probably even deters fraudsters from actually going through your bank if they know hey they have an incentive program right to actually catch fraudsters and rope them up and they'll prosecute heavily right but you're seeing a lot of retail outlets

don't even bother with shoplifting anymore because they're afraid of the bad press on the back end. Bad press. It's insane. Like that, that, you know, you see the stuff in California and Chicago and it's insane. I was watching. I think it was a CNN interview. They were in, I think it was a Walgreens. And while they were doing the 30 minute interview, they watched three people walk out the door without paying. They're like, did they? Yeah, yeah. They're like, did they? They're like, no, they just, no. That's good. There was another guy in, I think it was California. It might have been Washington. They have a rule. where they won't prosecute any shoplifting that's under $1,000.

Right. So we marked everything in the store at $1,000 and then just gave coupons at the front counter so they could still prosecute you. That's just unbelievable. I actually worked in loss prevention at Target. This is years ago. And they don't do this anymore, by the way. Loss prevention, you had like a security suit on.

They even gave us handcuffs too. And then our job was to go up and find people who were shoplifting at the front and say, oh, you forgot to ring up this TV that's underneath the cart or whatever. Some people did not like getting their receipts checked, by the way, but that's what we did. But I remember the first

day on the job, we had an undercover guy who's ex-military. His name was Dorian. This guy was really, really intense. It's my first day on the job. I'm like, I'm just here to collect my 12 bucks an hour or whatever. He's super intense dude. And I remember him giving me a call on the radio. He was, yo, Mark. I need you to hop.

We've got one. We got a hot one. I need you to hop into the, hop into the CCTV room. So I hop in the CCTV room, and I'm looking. He's like, there's a guy here in menswear. He's, she's stuffing underwear down his shirt. And I was like, all right. Okay, cool.

I got him. Because we have to record it. We got it. And he's like, he's like, he's following him around the store. It's the guy's like, doesn't, he's not like, he's like a homeless guy. He's putting like, you know, T shirts and underwear. And he's like, all right, all right. Okay.

Oh, it looks like he's going to head out garden now. I need to run out there. So I'm sprinting. venting outside down to garden where the back exit is, and he's on to ready. He's like, okay, he's passing the palm trees. He's passing the mulch. All right, he's coming. He's getting ready to walk out. Get ready. So this guy walks out and he says, no, Mark, no. I pop out and go, I go, sir. And then this guy, Dorian, he comes running behind him and tackles him from behind. All of a sudden, this is my first time. All of a sudden, we're to skirmish with this guy on the

ground, we're cuffing him up, and it's over like, I mean, it's over like a couple hundred dollars worth of menswear. This is my first day on the job. I'm like, holy cow, but to your point, there's no way you're doing this anymore. No. No way. No. Yeah, there was this guy TikTok. He was like Home Depot asset protection or whatever, and he would snatch these people at the door, like chase them down, grab their stuff, and he would make their, he would record the security footage, and he would record it like his highlight tape. He'd like, boom, got it. He's trying to run, and then eventually they let him go. And they'll fire him, like, yeah.

It's like his fire, he was like, look at this, like a taco though. Like, it's literally like this little highlight tape that he's just recording his security footage. Oh, my God. I mean, it's just such a weird time. It really is. It's just weird. Yeah, because everyone's trying to find the gotcha moments. Like, even in that New York subway where there's the dude is like walking around these, like, threatening to stab people.

And then the military. that Daniel Penny tackles him, brings him to the floor with three other people because he's threatening to murder and kill people. And now he's got a knife. Yeah, he's got a knife. And now Daniel Penny is being, I don't know if he had a knife at the time or not, but he was threatening. At the very least, don't fact, we're fact check me.

He was at least threatening to hurt people. Daniel Penny and three other people, one of which at least was a black man, end up bringing this guy down, subduing him during the course of it. the guy ended up dying. And now Daniel Penny is on, like he's being accused of like manslaughter and he's, he's going to get roped up, maybe go to prison for trying to protect subway passengers. Mind you, after this happened, all the subway passengers were clapping. They're like, thank you.

We're so appreciative. Doesn't matter. White man, black victim. I'm going to use the word victim, although I don't know that, you know, black perpetrator, you know, whatever. Huge news story. And it's just so backwards. to me. Like, why would I ever stick my neck out for anybody? No. Why would I ever?

Yeah, I don't, I, I, I, yeah, luckily I don't live my house. So, yeah, there's just no reason to anyway. Well, I guess it's, you know, Daniel Penny's not going to have to do it next time because you've got robots inside New York City Subways. It'll do it for you. And, you know, I got to see the robots. I got to, I don't understand what the robots are. Like, what, what they don't, like, what do they look like? It, it's, right now it looks like a big garbage can. It looks like R2D2. So it's not, It's just going to be going around getting video. But I mean, that's just the first, that's just the first amalgamation. I mean, pretty soon they're going to be shooting tear gas and all kinds of gnarly stuff, man.

It's going to, it's going to get weird. I got to talk about another thing, though, that, you know, this is not a fraud. But to me, it's going to be one of the most damaging things to young people. It's deep fakes. We talked about deepfake a little bit. Do you have kids? Me? Yeah.

I do. but yeah so i've got a seven-year-old daughter and you know i can see her going to school and having this happening to her so there's a famous twitch streamer his name is atrioke and he was live on stream and some people noticed that there were some deep fake on his screen and this deep fake is of these other very famous twitch streamers sweet anita myahiga qt cinderella these are twitch streamers they're not right right but what what is happening is these putting their faces on putting their face on right right and it's not hard to do this is like pretty simple stuff yeah yeah i got i downloaded that app where you could put my face on like you know

brad pitt when he's fighting with you know in in in troy where he runs up and stabs the other guy and i'm standing there i'm all buff like brad pitt in my face and i did a bunch of stuff like that yeah i actually did tommy i did tommy i put tommy on like some woman's some woman's face and sent it to him he got all irritated upset about it yeah M-S-C-S media. Shout out to Tommy. He's hilarious. But how like, I got a seven-year-old daughter.

Like, imagine she's 13, 14 years old. She comes into school. It's after summer break. She just broke up with her boyfriend. And the boyfriend's like, I'll show that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he deepfakes the, he sends it out to everyone at school. Her reputation, like, especially a young kid.

Like, I don't know about you. Like, nowadays, like, you know, whatever. You want to talk bad about me on the internet. I don't care. But if you're 13, that's like your entire life. So the problem with that. is now it that's that is like dissemination of even if the actress is you know 20 something years old you put her face on it i was in prison with a guy that got i want to say three or four he got the

mandatory minimum i want to say it was four years because he had downloaded uh manga like manga like the cartoons the japanese cartoons because the law says The way it was written is images. Doesn't say photographs, doesn't say film, it's images of underage. And what happened was he had been chatting with someone in a manga. So manga, a lot of these guys have some issues, right? That's a big pull because a lot of it is they have these underage girls in manga, Japanese girls.

So this guy is on a site where he's talking about trading manga. And there was the FBI kind of, they stay in those sites to pick up guys that are looking for underage girls. Yeah. And so this guy's talking, he ends up talking to an FBI agent. And the FBI agent is talking about trading this manga, you know, series and this one. Have you ever read this? And they're having a conversation. And the guy says, hey, by the way, have you ever seen this manga?

It's like a. And the guy's like, no, I've never seen that. He's like, yeah, you ought to get it. Wow. And so he's like, yeah, I'm not. really interested. So they go back and forth. The guy mentions it several times. Then he says, you're telling you, it is amazing. You have to see this. It's really amazing. And so the guy's like, you know, it was like nine bucks. So he pays nine dollars or whatever it is. And the guy sent

it. And it's a little five minute. But what it is is it's a couple of Akusa pull up in like a van and they kidnap a Japanese school girl. Wow. He's clearly 13, 14 years old. And cartoon. Cartoon. Bring her somewhere. tie her up you know abuse her uh and then drop her off well he downloaded it it's on his computer he watched it the FBI shows up they indict him and show up a few times later they indict him the FBI agent would actually sent him yeah sent him to oh that's not they do that all the time um the but the way the law reads is that it's possession you don't even have to necessarily have watched it if you just possess it on your computer but this guy watched it so he he

He washed it, he possessed it. So he was like, they were like, look, you know, plead guilty. You don't have to go to jail. He's like, are you out of your mind? He's like, I'm going to trial. He goes to trial. He loses. He gets four years.

He was in Coleman. There's multiple guys. There's a guy, the same thing, there was a guy we called him. And I know I've told this story before. His name was, oh God, no, I don't know his name, but they called him Harry Potter. He played ping pong all the time. He was amazing. But he looked just like Harry Potter.

So he was probably 22, 23 years old. He got, I want to say he got, he got a chunk of time. Maybe it was, I'm probably wrong. I'm going to say six or seven years. I'm probably wrong. At the very least, he got four years because that was like the mandatory minimum. Yeah. What he did was he had been dating a girl, started dating her when he was 14 or 15 years old.

They started having, they were having sex. At some point, he's like 19 and she's 18 or something. She ends up. He finds out she's cheating on him with one of his good friends. The kid who's now 19 or so is infuriated with his girlfriend. And what does he do? He starts sending out, I don't know if it was pictures or video, but he starts shooting out. Let's say photographs.

Naked photographs of his, at the time, 14 or 15-year-old girlfriend that he was having sex with, at the time, he's also young, start shooting out these photographs. Hmm. Well, the mom finds out or a friend of a friend, eventually they all find out, the mom finds out, the mom contacts the authorities, the authorities, the local cops or whoever are saying, well, this is within our wheelhouse because it's over the internet. They contact the FBI. FBI comes in. They indict the kid. He says, what are you talking about? I think he, I want to say he might have gone to trial. He's like, wait, there's pictures of me and my girlfriend. They're like, yeah, but you're 19 years old. And this is. He fights. So he says, I'm, I want to say he went to trial, but he may not have. He may have just taken a plea. Whatever it was, he ends up getting, and I once again, I'm not positive. I think it was like six years. He ends up getting like six years. He played 10, he played a ping pong for, you know, four and a half years. Just so I'm clear on what, what's what he's doing here, when he was in the romantic relationship with this girl, they were both minors. Yes. Right. And,

but he shared out he had pictures of her nude that he shared out i mean and and i mean you know having sex they're having sex right now we're talking about like photographs of him and his girlfriend at the time yeah but now he's 19 or 20 yeah but you're still distributing video of a minor with right right intent to harm that person right i i agree but in his mind because there is no intent attached to that crime well the intent is to do damage you're No, no. I'm saying when they write you. So a lot of crimes, you have to have the intent to do something, right? Okay. So with that crime, there's no intent. It's like saying, like you simply have it on your computer. You can say, yeah, yeah, but I never looked at it or I downloaded it and I didn't know what it was and I never looked at it. It doesn't matter. Yeah. You have possession of it. You're going to jail. Yeah, but my intent wasn't to download this. Yeah. Listen, I know guys, I know a guy that was locked up and I actually saw his paperwork. He went to someone and was, asking to buy dumps of information for credit cards and the FBI agent that he stumbled upon in this dark web that he was he was trying to sell was trying to disseminate hey do you want to buy

this I don't have that but I have that yeah but I have this I would but he's like I'm not interested in that eventually the FBI agent comes along he says look I can here's what I can do I can give you the credit card information you want and I'll go ahead and I'll throw in some videos too some you know some videos of movies and this and that and he sticks in a video of child just trying to like upsell almost and so the guy downloads it and they come and they indict him and they grab his computer and guess what you have child on your computer he says yeah I know but when I actually did click on it and I watched it for like a second or something I realized it I turn it off they're like yeah we understand but you oh you possess it yeah but my intent was not to

was not to download it he put it in there like I didn't even know he was it was in there was just random movies. Isn't that entrapment though? It is entrapment. But there is entrapment is not a defense in the federal system. Wow. And guess what? I was locked up with him. He went to prison. I mean, he went to prison for it. Wow. And his lawyer was like, look, what do you want to do? Do you want to go in front of a jury and explain to a jury? Hey, I just was trying to download your credit card information so I could run up your credit cards. And so they're going to one, that's what you have to do. You have to get on the stand and say, I'm a credit card thief and I do credit cards and these guys stuck this in here and I'm not guilty of that. They're willing to give you four years. But if you go

to trial, then they're going to hit you for every image that made up that entire film. You could get 40. Oh, wow. You can get hundreds of years. But they most likely would give them like 15 or 20. See, it doesn't seem like the right way to actually fight. Right. No, to right. Like to me, that that's not child traffic. Child traffic is a child. Right, right, right. I'm not saying that guys that look at that intentionally aren't perverts and weirdos, but I'm saying that things like what we're talking about, taking an image and putting it on there, like, do you see what I'm saying, like disseminating that they'll look at like people think, oh, you're ruining her reputation. Listen, it's worse than that.

This guy, you can, like, it's not just ruining her, your daughter's reputation. That's prison time. Like, you don't understand what you've just done. Like, that's serious. It's more serious than my daughter's being made fun of from her classmates. way more serious. Yeah, you could be going, yeah, like you said, you're going to prison, especially if you're over 18, I guess. Right. Yeah. So it's, it's, that's a serious, serious issue. I wonder if that's how it's going to get, end up getting litigated in the, the future. Because this is definitely going to

become a problem, you know, there's definitely going to be. I think based on the law, it, it would be. Yeah. Especially keep in mind, too, like I, I, I, well, you know, so it's not. You know what's crazy to me is kids do dumb things. 18 year olds do some really stupid things without thinking. Like, she broke up with me i hate her i'll show her that's like like they're not thinking clearly that that's not you're not you're not thinking like a grown man would go i'm angry i'm upset but that would be really over the top like that wouldn't be proportionate to yeah what's happened um yeah i i definitely and what's so funny too is people don't realize like it depends on the prosecutor one prosecutor would look at that and be like come on man the guy sent that you know he's a

jerk let's did you scare him is he scared okay let's scare him a little bit you know but that That's it. We're not going to, I'm not sending this kid to prison for four years. Like I have to send him four years. I can't do it for six months. I can't even give him probation. He's got to go to prison. Based on the law, I either, he either goes to jail for four years or he gets nothing. I'm sorry, I'm not sitting in the prison. He's an asshole. But I'm not going to send him to prison. He didn't realize what he was doing. So, but other prosecutors will say, that's it. How many photographs? He's getting 12 years. And they'd be like, what are you talking about? He made a mistake. He's an idiot. Well, I think what there needs to be is there needs to be established, clear penalties that are transparent. Like, so that when, you know, when that high school kid says, I'm going to show Teresa a thing or two, his boy will say, yeah, you know, that's five to ten. I wouldn't do that, you know, because I think right now with all these different AI scams and crimes that are popping up, like it's not clear what's right. You know, what's copyright free?

What's okay? What's not okay? Or what's going to get you federal time versus civil? I was going to say what they should do, which they'll never do. First of all, just in high school or junior high school, they should teach a class on just, you know, based, well, let's face it. Credit, finance, you know, which they don't, unless it's a private school. The other thing is I would, it would be amazing if you taught like the federal, a class on federal sentencing guidelines on just the law.

Wow. It would terrify people if they were like, what are you saying? So, no, no, you don't understand. I'm not a, I'm not a, I'm not a drug trafficker. Like, you can't give me 20 years. I'm not a drug trafficker. Well, you're selling marijuana. Yeah, but I only sell dime bags.

How often do you sell it? How long have been doing it? Well, well, you know, I sell a little here, a little there. Okay, right, let's add that up. Okay, so far in the last two years, you do a little here, a little there. so far in the last two years, okay, you're up to selling, you've sold 50 pounds of weed. No, I only sell. Add it up. You add it up and they're like, oh, well, yeah, but it's over two years. It doesn't matter how long the conspiracy has been going on. You've sold 20 pounds or 50 pounds

or however many pounds of weed. And based on the guidelines, here's where you stand. And guess what? You're going to do five years. What? Like people don't realize that. When everybody I've ever met who sells drugs, when they get arrested for selling drugs, and they tell them the amount that how many pounds they've sold or kilos they're always like I've never seen that much in my life no you have it not at one time yeah and not just that guess what the the guy the guy who wore a wire on you he's gonna say what they do is this they end up getting you to sell more and more okay so first it's you know they you buy whatever you know you know an eighth of a keel right yeah And then they go, bro, can you get, can you get me half a key?

Yeah, I can get you half a key. Cool, bro, cool. Now you get this half a key. How much would, what would it cost if I bought a whole key? I want a whole key because I want a discount. Right. You say, okay, well, it's going to take me a little bit of time, but I can get it. Well, now the guy that's going to get on a stand, oh, I bought, I bought keys.

I bought half keys. I've been buying from this guy for months, yeah. Or years. Wow. Like, I got pinched. after I've been buying from him for years. And he's going to lie to the prosecutor and say, oh, I've been buying half a key every week or two

because he wants to make you sound like a big fish. So he gets time off of his sentence. Like, I got a guy who's moving a couple keys a month. The truth is, this guy's moving a quarter of a key a month at best. Right. But you're relying on this person. We want to be able to tell the jury he's a big fish. He goes to trial.

Either you plead guilty to 20 or 30 keys of cocaine. or you go to trial and we'll and we'll instead of you taking 10 years you're going to get 30 and you know this guy will get on the stand and we have you cold we've got you on wire we've got you on video you're done yeah so it's it's it's a right like if you taught that in if you taught that in the school system kids would go that can't be right like no no you want me to list i'll get four guys in here right now you can show them a video of guys going I'm doing 20 years. Yeah, I was a 19 year old.

Here's what I was doing. Boom, I got 20 years. Hey, I'm so-and-so. This is what I was doing. But when I got into court, this is how they added it up and this is what I was looking at. Here's a sentence and guidelines. This is where I fell right here. Guess what?

That's a 30-year sentence. I got lucky. I was able to cooperate. They gave me 19 years. It's like a Ponzi scheme because now you have to go wrap in the next person who wraps in the next person. The whole system's based on that. If you wouldn't give cooperation, then the entire system would break down because there's Or you'd have to say, hey, we're not going to make these.

We're not going to prosecute any crimes under this. And you see what happens when they do that. So people are like, well, they shouldn't do that. Yeah, I know. But if you don't, then you see what happens. Then you end up having shoplifters come in and buy and steal everything under $1,000. Right. Same thing with drugs.

I only move this much. Why? Because if you add it up, it never amounts to more than this. So I can do this all day long. Wow. Yeah. Or you say, hey, eliminate. don't make drugs illegal at all.

Just make them completely legal and let Pfizer, you know, put them out and you get a prescription and that's it. And we dump all that money in law enforcement and prisons and we dump it into drug rehabs. I would definitely be more in line with that. I mean, that makes more sense to me. That makes sense to me. That's the way to go. Yeah, the fact that, what is it, a class, a class, I can't remember the Schedule D drug or whatever, like marijuana being like one of the worst drugs in the world.

Like, that's crazy. Like, nobody really believes that. No, it's so stupid. It's just a way of roping people into these huge stuff. And all of it is just, they're all just sound bites to get elected. You know, those laws all ended up being put into the system and voted into law because of, because it sounded good. Yeah. And nobody wants to be the person to, I guess, to end the criminalization of marijuana.

No, no, because somebody's going to kill somebody or do this or do that and they're going to blame you and they don't want to be that guy because they want to get reelected. Yeah. The way to do that is to say, hey, guess what? You can only run for three terms, even in Congress. we don't have any more career politicians. You know, psychedelics are another thing, I think, that are picking up a lot of steam, big money. I was actually talking to Paul Hutchinson. He's the executive producer for The Sound of Freedom movie.

He's a billionaire real estate investor. His character was in the movie. Okay. But we were talking about how to stop child trafficking. He said, well, you need to kill the demand. I'm like, how the hell do you do that, right? And he said, well, there's some really good evidence coming out that psychedictia. used in a very strategic way.

Microdosing, right? Exactly. Can actually kill or rewire the neurology, neurology in the brain. It can start to create new neurologic pathways that prevent that sort of desire. And I was like, wow, like a minute ago, we were talking about tithing and reading the Bible.

Now you're talking about psychedelics to solve these weird brain issues. And yeah, I don't know. Like the fact that all this stuff gets roped in with serious narcotics is silly. No, no, I know. I mean, it's so stupid. There's so many things that just absolutely don't make sense. It's just in the world in general, let alone the United States and the laws and the court structure. Like, you know, we have this, I've had these conversations where people are like, you know, oh, well, you know, the court system and it's a corrupt system and it's this and it's that.

And, you know, it's actually a pretty reasonable system. but the people that run the system are humans. Yeah. You know, and humans are corrupt and they're going to make mistakes and they're going to overreach and they're going to do, you know, anytime you can design a perfect system, you know, you probably can't. But let's just say you could design a perfect system. Well, the moment you say, okay, and now I'm going to give it to these humans to run,

well, now we have a problem. They're manipulative and they're corrupt and they're going to make mistakes and they're lazy and they're stupid and they, like I said, they overreach. So that's a problem. It's kind of like, you know, and it's the same thing I've mentioned this before on podcast where it's like, like, some of this ridiculous. Like it's like 80, 85% of sex offenders, you know, admit that they were sexually molested as children. So it's like, wow, like you were created.

Like it's sad. It's, it's, it's, it's, they're victims first. And my heart goes out to them. But now you're a monster. Yeah, you can't perpetrate. And that's, that was kind of Paul's point. He brought up some... It's sad, you know?

In psychedelics as being a way of trying to prevent that... Lions are cute puppies. I mean, they're cute when they're babies and you play with them, but then they grow up in their lions and you can't let lions, you can't let monsters roam the countryside. Like, you know, these were little kids that were innocent once and someone destroyed them and now they're destroying people. Well, and it's like, oh, but this happened to me and I'm a victim. Yeah, I know, but now you've got to go to prison, bro.

Yeah. Like, I'm sorry. There's no, there's no excuse. Yeah, yeah. The behavior can't. Because there's tons of people. that go through horrific things as children that didn't end up being a monster. Yeah.

You were already some kind of programming wasn't quite right. Yeah. And you can't, so you just can't be out here anymore. You know, so it's like, I feel bad for you, but you can't be out here, bro. You got to go. Yeah. You know, you're a weird. You're a weirdo.

For sure. Like you're, you're doing weird stuff. I mean, I hope I, I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic about the United States getting this stuff under control. there obviously there's a lot of fears like what's amazing is how bad is it other places oh man I wouldn't want to be anywhere else I wouldn't know people are always talking about oh well over here over there like I don't I don't necessarily buy that it's kind of funny we see like gays for Palestine and you're like do you know what to be like for you if you were there yeah go yeah yeah I will I will buy the plane ticket bro drink a margarita on the beach right like yeah document it

put it on TikTok let everybody know I guarantee you only have to send over four or five of them and when those when those videos come back and hit the internet and they're going oh yeah yeah no no no we're good i'm not going yeah it's it's it's good here i think so it's good listen getting out you get out of prison you get out of prison and i mean everything that everybody out here bitch is about i love it out here like there's like to me like there's like other than just the insanity of just people or just kind of idiots like life is good out here. At its worst, it's pretty good. It's like, you know, it's like pizza, you know, even bad pizza is pretty good. And that's, you know, even with pineapple on it. Yeah, I love,

I love, I love Hawaiian pizza, right? Remember that came out? Oh, yeah. Great. Yeah, it's great. It's great. As long as I, as long as we can keep like the innocent until proven guilty, I think will be, I think will be okay. Although what's happening to Russell Brand right now, like he hasn't been proven guilty of anything. I'm not saying to, did or didn't. I don't know, but demonetizing him. I can't remember the country. I want to say it was England. One of these countries actually tried to get him demonetized on Rumble. They said, hey, we kind of suggest that, you know, do you really want people like this on your platform generating income? He's just been accused. Yeah, yeah. That's what's amazing is that all you need is an accusation.

And people will blatantly lie. People have no problem just blatantly lying just because they think, Well, I'm justified. You're justified. Like, that's, that's not justified. That's disgusting. Like, the person that is accused of that. And the problem is there's never any recourse. It's like that, that guy, remember the high school student that was accused of rape?

Some girl accused him of rape. He went to prison for rape. And then he got out. And when he got out, she actually hit him up on Facebook. Wow. And admits on Facebook, she made it up. And so what, there is no recourse for that? No, so she did it.

She said she did it so they could sue the school board because she had seen where another girl tried to sue the school board, but the rape happened off of school, outside of school. So she knew she had to say that it happened in school. So she came up with a scenario where she said that they got into an elevator and he attacked her or whatever in school, on school grounds. And she knew to say that. And she accused him. So he then was like, look, it's not a big deal. It's over. I want to move on.

And so she's flirting with, she's like, plus, you were the high school. Like you were, you were a big time star. And, you know, and I knew I'd get some cachet from that. So he plays up to her, gets her to come over and brings the conversation up again. But this time he videos it. Wow. Yeah. So it, his, his, it ends up getting expunge, right?

Like he brings it back and shows the videotape. and he gets his criminal record expunged, but he also did like seven to 10 years or something like that. And she gets nothing, by the way. She's nothing happens to her. Just, you know, from beginning to end, we're talking about incentive structures. Yeah.

And like, you cannot be falsely accusing. Because you know what that does also? It's the boy who cried wolf, or in this case, the girl who cried wolf. The more time you're crying wolf, people start to not even regard the actual real crime that's happening. You know, rape, horrible horrible horrible thing right but if everyone over here is saying rape rape rape

rape and it's not rape when it actually does happen everyone's going to be their ear's going to be closed right and that's that is I mean believe all women actually hurts women tremendously yeah I think you know shocking well now that we've completely scared everyone now that we're completely demonetized like I mean we've mentioned we've mentioned rape we've met like Colby's like we've mentioned rape we've admit so he's going to be like bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep no who knows what else you know we can mention yeah yeah yeah you've done me a real real uh real favor here by the way thank you for coming well i'm i'm glad to be here to speak to the great matt cox and uh yeah yeah hopefully we can

you know hopefully we're just raising alarm so that people are aware that that that you want to talk about anything for your channel i mean all this stuff is you know is like listen But your channel's about entrepreneurs. But, you know, listen, I'm, what I like to cover is disruption. How, how is the world being disrupted? And quite frankly, once I start going down the rabbit hole of AI and the implications of AI, it's clear to me that it changes every single life across the board, professionally, personally, and quite frankly, being aware of the new scams, I think is really important

to me. I know everyone is going to DM me and everyone's going to leave comments like, oh, Mark, that's old news. I already knew about it. Yeah, but there are people that don't know. Yeah. There are a lot of people that don't know. Well, you know, the comment section is, you know, like Danny says, is accessible. You know, what's interesting to me. You know, there's a lot of people that say they want to be like big YouTubers and whatnot. If you're not getting hate, you're not, you're not going hard enough. Yeah, I love that that I, whatever meme or TikTok or whatever you call it is, is where the person says, look, if you're watching, if you're hate, if you're hating on me,

but you're watching all my stuff, you're a fan. right you know that's true like i got people in the comment section that almost every single video say something negative yeah you're watching the videos though like what are you doing right right and you know if people aren't upset by what you're saying you're probably not right yeah you have to be offending somebody you have to yeah you have to be and it's not because i go out with the intent of offending people yeah there's some people who's just going to be offended no matter what you say there's you can literally you could be offended about anything i could like see your chair over and be like, man, my dad fell and broke his back in a chair.

Listen, bro, I used to have Trump paintings up here. He's not offensive. Listen, people would go nuts. I'm not, I'm unsubscribing. I was like, oh, my God. Jessica came. She's like, could you take the Trump painting? I was like, of course, no problem. I took it down. Like, I don't care. I was like, yeah, it's a big seller. I'm good. You know, I took, but yeah, people, people will get offended about anything. People will be offended because of what the conversation we part of the conversation we just had they'll be offended by it oh for sure just because you know you uh just because i said look those people are victims at one point you scumbag you're gonna you know the truth offends people at that for some reason i

don't i don't get it yeah i still just like you said though i have i hold no like no like no at the end of the day it doesn't matter what's happened to you what what matters is what are the actions that you've taken and I no that's what I'm saying it's like look I you know I get it but now you're a monster like it's you know it's like a serial killer it's like you know okay well I had a bad childhood and I feel for you and I'm sorry but you're cutting people's heads off like it's not right you can't be doing that what do you do you got to go to prison no no you don't understand my mom was mean to me and I feel for you that's horrible yeah bad mom you did cut off 12 people's heads life is at the end the day life is suffering everyone has something

right you know it's like whenever you walk into a big room you're always worried about your you know that when you get that insecure feeling i know that every single other person in their room has something yeah right like oh my hair's not right i've got some gray hair coming in nobody nobody cares like you know i don't know i i was talking to some of the other day who's launching a podcast and she's like do you have any advice for me i'm saying big piece of advice if you're doing your job right based on what you want to do you have a big show you want people to to follow you. Based on your goals, just be aware that people are going to, they're going to piss on you. People are not, they're going to get angry. They're going to send you hate. You got to be ready now

because it has, I was telling this to my daughter the other, not this exact, my daughter got a bad grade on a test. And she made this comment. She said, I'm so stupid. She's seven. I said, ah, stop it. Stop it right there. I could take her into the bathroom. I said, look in the mirror. And I said, I want you to say this after me. I am great. I am powerful. I'm a bad mamma jamma. And at first she was laughing. She was like, oh, that's funny. And I said it again. And I said it again. And then she started to say it with me. And because if there's one thing I can do with my daughter, it's instill that sense of self-confidence. Because the world, especially this world that we're looking at, is going to dump on you all day, every day. And if you're not strong

in here, you're going to be dead. You're going to be weak. And I don't want that for her. I don't that for my kids no no yeah i was going to say the the um the podcast thing yeah it's it's rough but you know the great thing about even if you put out a shitty shitty even if your first six months of podcasts or just dog shit nobody's watching you know what i'm like what does it matter nobody's watching you you're you're going to shoot you're going to shoot the link to 15 of your friends you're going to ask them to share the link they're not going to you're going to know that they didn't because you're only going to have you're going to know that sorry you're going to know that they didn't because only you're only going to get 20 views right you know what I'm saying so

your 15 friends only a couple of me even sent it anywhere right you know so nobody watched it nobody's watching your friends aren't even gonna watch it you know so the truth is you can be as bad as you want and if you start it and you're horrible you got to look at that as actually a good thing because then if you you you can go all the way back to the first videos that I did and you can see the progression and people want that if you do end up being so then leave those old fucked up videos up. Hell yeah. Because they'll go back. They're like, oh, man, you could, look at this one. You, you, you kept looking at your notes. Look at this

one. You could, you were so, look at all the edits. They're horrible, bro. You don't know what you're doing. Look at that. You know, that's great. That's fine. Like, that's okay. People want to, people want to root for you. They want to see that you get better over time. Yeah. So put them up. The biggest thing is to put them up, right? Even if they're shitty, put up the shitty videos. Yeah. When I look at my stuff from a year, even a year going, like, wow, I sucked. Right. I sucked. I just got better over time. But, you know, I think, and I was talking to Patrick Bed David about this, about, you know, how do you grow a big show?

How do you grow a big following? You know, he's like, you got to be noisy. You got to say, you got to be willing and ready to take some hard lines, take some stances that are going to make people angry. Because if you don't go, because that's what gets people interested is, wow, Mark just brought some heat. Matt just said something that I, like, I disagree with. That actually pissed me off. Because you know what I find is people are more likely to leave a comment. they're more likely to share if you say something that makes them angry if they're like oh yeah

i agree with that they're just going to move on but if they're like f matt i can't believe he would say this and then they're more likely to share and you're more likely to catch fire and you know the the the problem is is that like i know there's lots of people out there that surround themselves by like yes men they don't want to have anybody that disagrees but i mean that's like almost everybody that ever failed really big it's because they're surrounding themselves by yes man yeah that's a mistake it's a mistake to surround yourself by own i only surround myself by like-minded people that's a mistake like how are you ever going to be challenged or grow like i have a buddy zach listen well i don't think we agree on fraud like we'll talk about scams i disagree on

probably every political his political ideology, I completely disagree. Every issue I disagree with. I'm not going to not be friends with him. I'm not going to not have conversations with him. I enjoy those conversations with the other person. You know, he mocks me, I mock him. We go back and forth, back and forth.

Like, it's comical, it's funny. I'm not going to be offended by it. But I also feel like I get smarter. I don't get smarter when it's me and three other people and we're all like saying the exact same thing. what is you're not those aren't real friends honestly yeah but you're you're not growing right like you're not growing no I'm saying you're they're they're friends if we all have the same agree the same opinion you can have that but you know we can be friends but the truth is like not if they're just

agreeing to agree yeah I think there's lying to you then because nobody agrees on everything well yeah I know but yeah I mean I I just think that that's how you those good conversations back and forth is how you learn about stuff yeah I don't disagree and that's why You should never date an AI bot because it's only going to tell you what you want to hear. At some point, it will mislead you and it will ask for your credit card number. Did you imagine at some point it will, imagine when they get smart enough to have a difference of opinion just to create a personality and say, oh, I disagree and this and that. And then you really would be fooled. You'd never be able to figure it out.

Yeah. Or they lie or mislead you or, man, it's going to be bad. The dystopian future is here. I'll be dead by then, though. I don't have that much time. I think I have that much time I'm 54 I got

I don't know My prediction you're halfway You're only halfway No Could you imagine To live into a Like that would suck Like it becomes a quality

Of life issue I don't know man Unless they're gonna be able To give you drugs To make you feel great Pretty soon they're gonna have Neurrelink You're gonna have robot legs

Robot arms You're gonna be slam dunking at 90 I wouldn't mind having a robot body You know Like if you were like super Like you could just go forever That's happening Matt, thanks for being so gracious today, man.

I just loved jamming with you on the show. Like, I feel like we like, we could just go for hours, man. I don't feel like I feel like we covered barely anything and, and yet touched on pretty much everything. Yeah, man, flip it up. AI related. Yeah. All right. Well, I, I appreciate you.

Yeah, I appreciate you coming by. A scam, like, for the definition of this podcast is kind of an idea to gain money. like I might have an idea like hey I'm like I might have come across a checkbook and go you know what I got an idea I'm gonna write a check off of this guy's account who we don't know to you you're gonna deposit in your account we're gonna split it right and you might go hey I'm down with that you know I'm saying that is what I don't know who would be you'd be shocked look at you'd be shocked you would be shocked I know a guy yeah you would be shocked I know a guy yeah you would You would absolutely be shocked. It's unbelievable. But that is a scam. Or even I consider a scam is like the,

what I was privy to was the shoplifters. Like I knew four ladies that did shoplifting, right? And like I was lucky enough to sit in on one of their meetings, you know, because they have one person that draws in the security. So the other three are actually going to steal and get away And the other one's going to draw security And draw security like act like she's doing not steal anything Be absolutely sloppy obvious

So that security kind of hangs out and kind of watches her Right and really focus on shared a bit And what they do is they come in all separate And then they all watch her to see if she Oh yeah she's being watched let's go you know Don't that is a scam you know because they're working Correagraph yes core yes Well something that's pre

I was pre-planned but I really I want to use the legal term premeditated that's when you know you've turned turned a corner yes when you start using that's right we start using the legal term yes the law enforcement terms it's so pre-medit so if I told you hey I'm gonna write you a check this is premeditated whereas I could have just wrote you a check and said hey I'm gonna give you a hundred bucks I need you to cash you I could lie right but to put everyone in on it is is the scam you know know, me, like, we're all working together to obtain money. That is what we call a scale.

Yeah, yeah. So that's what we're, because what happened was, scheme. Scheme really isn't illegal, by the way. The term scheme. Yes. That's what I was thinking. Scheme is, is, is to me. Sounds illegal.

Right. Scheme seems singular. Like if you use the word scheme, it seems like it would only be one person. Really? Yeah. A scheme seems like, so then in my mind, a scheme would have a mastermind, you know, which means like that one person is the ultimate benefactor and all, you know, I spent a lot of time in jail thinking about the differences.

So does it reflect? I think, whatever, they're, there's synonyms. Anyway, whatever, roughly. So, yeah, like one person benefiting. So you got the little benefactors. out there so so so that a scam a scam is a group effort like hey I got an idea okay so what what what happened I disagree but what what what I don't understand so you that's the scam you admire the one with their shoplifting or just you admire the fact that

they drew law enforcement away yes yeah because of the brilliance of it like you like you would say that only because it I'm given the simplicity of it, but to watch that in action because it works. So the one person that's the draw, the person that draws the attention, actually gets stopped at the register. Right. And what's so funny is that they're not in any jeopardy at all. No.

And the other people leave with pre, like they have orders of stuff going in. It's unbelievable. They have orders of stuff going in. And the one girl stopped at the register. Oh, and she gives them a sob story and cries. and then 20 minutes, you know, they're texting on the phone and it's like they're going to let me go and they end up letting them go with a, hey, don't ever come back

in the store. Right. But the whole time, it's like, okay, we got like $6,000 worth of stuff. You're saying she really does steal stuff and they get caught or she... She gets stopped at the register. She makes it look like. I was going to say like to me, to me like in front of them, you could, like with the camera, I would kind of show myself like putting stuff in a bag

and then move to a spot and then take the stuff out of the bag. Oh. Do you what I'm saying? Like to me, you'd, get up to the cash register and then they'd come and they grab you oh no oh empty your bag and you'd empty the bag you'd be like what they'd be like holy jesus like i saw her i like i could see that would be a right and then they'd have to let you go it's like what do you talk oh yeah yeah no i did put a skirt i did put the skirt in there and then i realized oh wait a second this looks bad i got

i need to i took it out and then i thought well i don't even want this so i just left it on the counter it's over there you know so but i was going to say what that reminds me of is the um you know with the Romanian wall. It was called the Romanian wall where there was people from Romania or the gypsy wall they called it too. So people would go into like and they had video of 7-Elevens and stuff

where people would there would be like six or eight people would come in in a group and one and so the person at the counter let's say 7-Eleven would look and see this group coming in and they create almost like a wall

they're just kind of bundled together and somebody else would walk in, crouched down, and walk in behind them. So the camera, you know, sees them. But the other camera sees the person. But this is just, this guy's not watching the camera. He's watching these people. Right.

So they come in and then they kind of move through the store. They have kind of a direction where they're kind of walking and moving. And the one guy, somebody says, hey, something to the cashier. And he looks over here. And the person who's bent down, who he doesn't even know in the store, kind of like moves towards the cash register. He's right there. And so as these guys are talking.

talking he's moving around the cash register and literally they have videos of this of these guys where the guy will be he'll go behind the cash register with the guy and like go into and steal like all kinds of stuff that's back there that's hidden while these guys are loud and they're playing music and they're talking and banging stuff and doing this and he's kind of just watching and watching steal stuff go back then they pull the wall back together and the guy walks out with them and all they've bought is like a stick of gum and he walks out with you know whatever hundreds of dollars of cartons of cigarettes or there have been times where they've gone into the safe there's been times where they said like they took it a gun they got a gun how that how that

that even then later they'd look at the camera and they'd be like oh my god and if you watch it you're like this is insane watching that in play the know that that's quia graph because like you have to wonder do they practice that they have to practice right like it's if you watch the videos on youtube and stuff you're just going this is nuts you're almost like how could he not and you're like okay I get it but from his perspective he's not seeing it he's only seeing these groups of people and then once the guy gets under the counter he's done he would have to turn around and start looking at the videos that are shooting from the other way and who's doing that he's trying to see if these guys are stealing and they are

They're not. They're still a distraction. Yeah. Unbelievable. That reminds me. That's, so that's what I'm saying. It's the same kind of thing. Right.

You're just drawing their attention. To a way. And that's, that's a, that's a scam. Yeah. Do you remember, I shouldn't even say this. Do you remember when we were talking about, um, I'm thinking Barrington, but go No, no. I'm thinking when we were locked up and we were talk about the identity theft scheme

where it was like, what if someone stole somebody's identity? Like, I steal your identity. Right. Which given that you're a man of color would be difficult. But let's assume I steal your identity. I get a driver's license in your name. I run up all your credit cards. I then borrow money against your house.

The whole thing, but I happen to have life lock. Do you remember this? This was what we used to joke about. And it was, and then when suddenly you start getting the credit cards, the whole thing, like I would do that because I'm not worried about him.

You know, the worst problem would be that the person you're stole their identity he finds out and calls the police, but I know he's not going to call. What's going to happen is once the first credit cards start showing up, you then call the police. Hey, look, I got an issue, man. I got like a $40,000 credit card bill. Someone took my credit card. You call your credit card company, you do this, and then more bills start showing up.

You start going, oh, whoa, well, I need somebody to come out of it. Like, I got like $100,000 in credit card debt. Somebody stole my credit cards. No, I don't know. I have them on me. I don't, or maybe I lost my wallet, but I didn't give anybody my pen numbers. Like, this is ridiculous. Right.

And so you do all that. You run it all up. Then you find out maybe there's a mortgage on their house or somebody took out a $50,000 personal loan in your name. You're like, oh, my God. Right. So we were talking about like, you run it up to a couple, $300,000. Like, it's insane. You're calling the police.

But the interesting thing about that was that what we were saying. Well, what you were saying really was you were like, but I know what's going on because I can call the police and say, well, do you have any leads? Well, what's happening? Right. Well, what happened with? And the police would be like, look. We're doing it. We found this.

We found this. There was a P.O. box that was opened. Well, who opened the P.O. We can't find the person that opened the P.O. So you're going through the whole thing where it was an abandoned house. It's actually in your neighborhood. What? You know.

But you would know because at some point, they would say, look, you know, we're just out of option. We don't know what to do. And you're also involved because the credit card people are contacting you. Right. So at some point, even if there was a prosecution, the worst that could happen is you were saying you would you could you could say look I'm not going to participate in that prosecution I got my money back the credit card companies paid the money back and and they we got the thing with the mortgage taken care of and and I don't want any trouble with who I don't know who you arrested but I don't want any trouble with that person and then being the person if they did end up getting arrested I could then say man I'm going to trial and they don't have the victim they'd be like Jesus knowing when the prosecutor comes and says, oh,

listen, this guy's going to show up. He's going to testify. He'd be like, is he? I can't wait to see him. We had this whole thing laid out. Right.

And the other one was the identity theft, the life lock, was that you could also claim against life lock to say. You could sue for allowing all that to happen. Right. Because, but when we were locked up, you and I thought

and I know differently now but we thought remember they say up to a million dollars it was a million dollars in legal fees that they would pay to fix it we were thinking that that was like insurance that they would

like they would pay off your credit cards or they would but they won't it's just it's just they would just call and file the claims for you which would still be good because you could still say they could do all that for you you have to do nothing is that what they is that all life lock does is just file the claims life lock and um home title

lock they will hire an attorney that will file all the paperwork to reinstate your credit cards get the balances dropped to i mean now home title lock only does it for mortgages right life lock only does it for identity theft okay so if you had both of them which you probably have to have. Yeah. But you could really insure yourself completely against the whole thing. Yep. But what we were, when we were locked up, we were thinking they would pay you, but they

won't pay you. No. No. And the thing is, too, it's like it's a service. It's not insurance because they just don't insure you. Right. So, but they will pay for the fees, which honestly is the biggest hurdle. If something happens, like, you're trying to, like you got like a 40, 50 hour a week job and

you're driving. and back and forth. Like, when do you have time to write all those letters and try and fix all this, you know, if you're a real victim, if you're really our victim. Like, that's the problem. Like, you got to write letters. You got to send emails. You have to make phone calls. Like, man, I'm working until five or six o'clock. I don't even get home till 6.30. Then my kids are screaming. I got to make dinner. I got, you know, like, when do you call on anybody? You got to start taking days off work to try and fix it? Yeah. Yeah. No. So count me out. so a couple of the schemes that I admired you know I think we talked about one of them

which was the what had to do with the Kellogg's yeah yeah you know and I admire you know what's so funny about that scheme is that came to me at a phone call my wife and I are sitting at the at the house and I don't know what we were watching but somebody called and go hey they call up and they go hey they got you on television I go what channel NBC I go me They go, no, they got the kind of crap that you do. So then I turned it over to NBC and it was a, I think it was American greed. But what was happening, it was showing a guy that was cashing like $100,000 checks. How's that even possible?

That's what I was, I'm like, oh my God. So what was happening was there was a oil rig. Somebody worked for an oil company in Houston. And this woman was seeing the checks come in. to pay the oil company. And what the guy had done was he opened up a similar company

with the name of the company. Like he went to another state and opened up a company that had a similar name as the company that was receiving the checks. So if we were paying an oil company, if we were Matt and Zach's gas station,

we might write an oil company a check for like $300,000 for a shipment of oil. Well, the woman that worked in the office was giving that to her friend, and he was depositing it into an account he started that had a very similar name as the oil company. This is what they're putting out on American Greed. So, like, my wife and I were sitting there watching this, right? And we looked at each other, like, why didn't we think of doing it? Because here's what's funny.

Here's what we were doing at the time. I'm sorry, that's so wrong. It is. It's a horrible, horrible. Honey, can you believe that? No, it was one of those moments where we're sitting. The reason why that happened is because what we were doing at the time is we were making checks. So we would go to mailboxes, business mailboxes, and steal the mail at night.

We just looked for checks. And what we do is we'd find a check and then I would make a check payable to someone off of that. I was just looking for a fresh account. Yeah. So we were finding all these business checks. In fact, one time, remember we found a $100,000 check. Right. I'm like, geez, man.

I wish we could cash that somehow, you know? And that's what was happening. We see all these checks, and we just make a duplicate check for like $4,000 or $5,000 and deposit it in an account with somebody and just get the money out and run. That was our whole deal. So when we're watching television and they go, hey, he was actually cashing the checks that he was getting for their full amount. and you just looked at each other like can you imagine if we had known this with the $100,000 check?

Like, chase! I was going to say, what's funny is people don't realize like you can open a corporation and then you can open up a DBA or a corporation, a corporation similar. You could say like, you know, like let's say there's, you know, this drink, what ghost energy drink.

Then you could open up a corporation that says, you know, that's ghost, you know, that's ghost distributor. Yeah, ghost distributor. ghost productions ghost energy ghost energy you know drink two yes you know whatever like it's like you know you know of Tampa Bay you know of Florida or whatever you just adds anything on to it that changes it subtly and then the next thing you know you know you can go open up a bank account in that name and deposit checks you know with that name with any any any variation of that name

because the banks just don't check they know who it's going to the address they don't even match the state, they just look at the name and process. Yeah, I used to have a company, you know, consortium financial services. They would write consortium mortgage. This is people paying me. Yes. They'd send me, oh, consortium mortgage, consortium bank, consortium whatever, you know, home loans. It's like it's consortium financial services.

Sometimes it would just be consortium. Right. Just deposit them, deposit them. Nobody, the bank never said, oh, wait a second. This is an issue. Yeah. No. And so it was, so we obviously, we.

did that, picked up checks, we probably did over $100,000 in checks when somebody called us and said they had a friend that worked in Kellogg's. That was a story that I shared. And that's how that whole scheme developed. Yeah, we did that whole, we did a whole, that video got a lot of views. That's the Kellogg video. The Kellogg, yes. So when we called the girl, you could imagine like we were dancing because when we called the girl, I asked her, she goes, oh well I work up in the office and I see the checks I said okay well how much is a check she goes probably the smallest check is probably like two and a half million what it's like I go it's over we're done our fraud and days are over seven million dollar Kellogg's game

yeah selling no stealing seven million from Kellogg's yes that just sounds horrible um yeah yeah that got like 70,000 views wow it's not bad for my channel and that was like a year ago that was a year ago it must have been just just before the incident yes

the horrible incident so yeah that that's what led to that discovery because we had we started of all the crap we were doing we added that to our reputoir and just started making money and that's when the girl from Kellogg's came in our life

and gave us a possibility of getting a $7 million check from Kellogg's. I remember telling, I'm like, we're done. Seven million bucks, it's over. We give the girl a million. Yeah. You know?

Yeah, you're not doing it. You know what's so funny is like my mindset back then? Like, it was never going to be over. I used to always say like, man, if I just got a few million dollars. If I got a few million dollars, I would have said, that was easy. You think it didn't know, well, well, yeah, you're right. You know, it was. It was, it was, it was the whole.

just like that stupid thing I was just making it's that quote it's the there's there's nothing there's just no feeling in the world like walking in a bank handing them a fake ID and some fake documents and then having them hand you a check for 250,000 dollars and thank you for ripping them off like I mean that's just insane yes and that feeling you're like like this is insane right I'm going to walk in there and then or even thinking and telling you what a great customer you've been like I I borrowed like a couple hundred thousand dollars one time and I was hate I would say this because I had a guy who like read my book who came back and was like you said you borrowed a couple hundred thousand dollars in the book it says you borrowed a hundred and twenty thousand and it was it was like man stuff whatever I don't remember what it was okay 150,200,000 whatever it was I had borrowed it in the name of this a fake it was I was a real person it was a homeless guy. so I borrowed that money and then and he had perfect credit right so got a check for whatever let's say 150,000 went and deposited in my bank and immediately as soon as I did it the person goes okay thank you they went oh you've been approved for a 30,000 dollar credit card

and I went you mean pre-approved she goes no you've been approved of course I've been approved I just deposited a check for 150,000 dollars in cash I mean 150,000 dollars into my account count, and I do have perfect credit. You know, that guy had perfect credit. And she said, all you have to do is tell me you want the card and we'll have it overnighted to you. And I went, yes, I do. A free 30 grand for ripping you off?

Absolutely. Hand that over. See, the problem is that's how you and I look at it as a free 30 grand. To them, they're like, it's a credit line. You're like, no, no, no. That's not the way this works. I promise you, it's free. There's no payments getting made

I promise you it's free But I won't be once they catch up with me So right now though I'm walking up out of this mug I got a sports car I got a hot girlfriend Going on some vacations Right up until they put them cuffs on me

That's right then it's unfree But I'm going to Australia Listen if I was a cop You know much fun I would have? I'd be like with with a couple of guys that are like, you know, with what they're saying, you know, like, no, no, I, I, I, I can't, you can't arrest me. I'm like, stop it, bro. We got you on video.

Do it your coat of fitness rolled on you. You know, damn well, you'd play along. You're like, oh, oh, you were going to Australia. Hold on. Let me get the keys to the cuffs. Yeah. There's no way. You'd be like, come on, bro.

We got you on film. It's kind of like my arrest with the, oh, what is your name? Albert Henley. Albert Henley, you have ID? Of course I have ID. Here you go. Yeah, all right. Anyway.

Then there goes another charge. Now we got aggravated identity. He just looked at it like, you're good. Wow. Here you go. Come on. Let's go. Go on, Albert.

Okay, Albert. Let's go. You're going to jail. We're not going to arrest Isaac anymore. We're arrested Albert. Oh my God, good times. Getting arrested is not good times. Maybe so.

It's fun looking back on it. At the time, it's not fun. Oh, no. There's like everything spins in your head. That and the time when you get your time in court. Immediately, you just got a job at McDonald's. Immediately. I just, I shouldn't have done none of that stuff.

Yeah, immediately regret every single thing and then, you know, but then you get out and six months go by and you're like, listen, I just heard. Yeah, but you haven't seen it you money in jail for the past two years. Yeah, but doesn't mean I'm not, I've perfected it. I've fought it over. Yeah, I've got it perfected. I'm going to do it right this time.

Insent, yeah, insanity, insanity, insanity thought. All right, so another hustle that I liked, if we get back on topic, I hope you don't mind. All right, another one I like was a guy that was selling clean air credits. Oh, yeah. Remember me telling me about that? Yeah, yeah. So apparently there is passed by George Bush, clean air credits for all the companies that spit pollution into the atmosphere. What they do is they make them invest in companies that actually.

take pollution out of the atmosphere. It's just the right thing to do. Yeah. And so they created a, I didn't even notice existed until I watched. Apparently it doesn't exist. Oh, it still does. No, I'm saying based on what your guy was doing. Oh, yeah.

That's what they're probably all doing. Take the, you're taking all that carbon and all this stuff out of the air. Come on. Stop it, bro. Like, no, no, we're planting trees. The planting, planting tree. And for, for poop, people who. process or help

disintegrate manure and stuff like that into fertilizer that actually cleans the air believe it or not but I'm going to tell you like the clean the ocean what's the name of that company

that sends out those bags for we take gunk out of the ocean have you seen that those commercials for them no I don't watch a lot of TV though oh there's there's a one big company out there that cleans the ocean that they claim to clean cleans the ocean and they go Oh, we're sponsored by so many, you know, people helping us out, helping us clean.

We take donations that most of their money, I heard this on NPR. A majority of their money comes from the clean air credits. All companies that pollute the ocean pay them big time for going out there and taking gunk out of the ocean. So with those, so those things are still around. What I, what it was I didn't know is that there was a marketplace for the balance. So if corporations that dirty up the air obviously have much, much more money, right, than corporations that actually clean the air. So the corporations that clean the air actually sell clean air credits to those companies.

And they have a certain amount that they need to have. They actually fight and bid. It's a bidding war. It's like eBay for the clean air. Because sometimes it goes up depending on the demand. So obviously the schemer. I heard of why I just pictured I just pictured Christi's

I just pictured a bunch of corporate fat cats on a stage you should have seen the episode behind the auctioneer at Christie's and in the in the crowd it's nothing but hippies they're all like you badsters

300000 I'll go 300 I'll go 280 I'll go 260 you know and they're shut up Jennifer they've got their combing their hair and they're wearing flouring it yeah you're you know

making beautiful baby there's a band you know the monkeys are playing the background you know you're the monkeys yes I love the monkeys but anyway yes so this this schemer obviously got approved by the EPA

nice but What he did was he rented a place, rented the equipment. I can't even remember how he fraudulently told him he was cleaning the air. They came over, the EPA gave him the seal of approval. Once he got that approval, he went on the cleaning. He shut everything down. Yeah. Well, he leased the machine.

Listen, when they came and checked him out, he, he, when he, because they would announce, we're coming in two weeks. Oh, you are? Yeah, I need to lease another couple of machines. And you bring them back, yeah. Stick them in the warehouse, get them around back, get some hippies out here

and some tree huggers to look like we're doing, like we're do-gooders. American greed was cursing them up and down. Round up 50 do-gooders. Stick them in there. We're picking up trash on the side of the road, you bastards. Exactly.

American greed was criticizing the EPA for approving him three, three times he was checked out all three times he passed. Like, yeah, he's doing it. Selling clean air credits. I told you what caught him was he had this penchant for expensive cars. He bought like $3 million worth of expensive cars. He had like a Lamborghini, not a Jaguar, but what's the other cat car? Cat car?

I want to say it's another car that's like $100,000, not a Lamborghini, but it's another $100,000 car. I can't know what. Lamborghinis are like $300,000, $400,000. Oh, yeah, Ferrari. May a Ferrari, but he Maserati That was the other one That was the other one

He had about Over like four million dollars Three million dollars with the cars Parked out by his house Which it would be like someone pull in And you have three million dollars in cars Like in he was in a regular neighborhood like yours And you just come up and you go like

Dude What the hell is with all these expensive cars? Hey I'm just living like that Yeah I'm just So they call the police That's how he got caught. I'm just doing the right thing. Yeah.

That's how he got caught. That's how he got caught. The police come and he's got all the paperwork for the cars and they're kind of like, okay. And they hands it over to, I guess, a detective or a fraud investigator who kind of runs the guy. And he checks him out, like the EPA calls and makes an appointment. Right. He checked them out without an appointment. I don't know how you're selling all those clean air credits

sitting in this empty warehouse but I'm going to tell somebody so okay so he told the EPA and well yeah I think they yeah and then they brought him up on he only like when it all came and down to it I think he got like three years in prison but he stole like about $8 million

$8 or $9 million. I'll do three years for $8 million that's what we ought to have a big They didn't even know, they didn't even understand the charge. It was crazy. It was like a unique, they had to charge him uniquely because there was really no crime of what he was doing. Like false statement type of charge, like the 1001, like the beginning of all the charge is making a false, giving false information. That was a charge. And that only carries three years.

So I guess they, he got nothing. But go ahead. I'm sorry. No, I was thinking, I was just thinking. I was thinking during the Civil War, you know, they were conscripting people, right? So either you had to show up or one of your family, right? Or you could say, hey, I can't do it. I want to, you know, fellas, I want to.

I'm with you. I want to be with, can't be with you. I got to do the farm. I got to do the whole thing. But I've got my slave John. He can go for me. And they would say, okay, well, Put your mark here, John and John would put his mark, and he'd be in the army.

I thought, what if you were super rich and you're going to jail and you were able to say, listen, I know I got four years or I know I got three years. I can't go, but Matt will do my time for me. And then I have to compensate Matt to do my time. Like, bro. You know, I would, I'm ready to sign up. Like, I'll do go do what kind of person in the custody level. Like, oh, no, you're going, you're going to a pen. Oh, Matt, how much for the, listen, pens 150,000 a year, 200,000 a year.

And they pay it. I'll do four years, do four years for you. But you got a, you know, but it's going to be a million dollars up front in my lawyers. You know, could you imagine if you could negotiate that? And in a way, I think I know what you're going to say, you know, in a way, people do. You can. I'll tell you an incident that I know about, but go ahead. Oh, I was saying, I was going to say I sat in county jail one time.

wondering if it was possible to get someone else to do my sentence. Like you were describing about the you being me. Yeah. Like I told myself how much would it disturb the system if I've allowed someone to become me and they just go turn, hey, I'm Isaac Allen. Well, no, no. I mean like if there was actually a system. Oh, you mean like a legal system.

Legal capitalized, legal capitalized, look, you got to do this much time. You have to give us this much time. I say, listen, I'm not going to, but I've paid this service and they're going to provide someone that will do that time for me. And they go, okay, do you have the paperwork? Do you have an SS12 form? Yes. Do you have a 722 form? Yes. Did he sign? Do I need your driver's license? Oh, I got my driver's license. Like, okay, boom. And he goes in for you. Like, makes me think of Palmer. He'd be. Right. There are people that will do that. But they would do that. And here's an example of that. A real world example. We used to call this guy, the, they used to call, they were calling. calling him the Mexican Tony Soprano. There was a cartel member in Atlanta that had gotten like 15 or 20 years, right? Like he's got like seven lawyers. And this was in Atlanta in Atlanta City Detention Center, right, ACDC, where you could,

you would meet with your lawyer in, in the unit. They would walk in into a room. It was like a glass room. Like there was a glass wall. And, well, you know, glass, you know, it's the metal piping with the thing. you'd walk in there with your lawyer or whoever and they'd close the door and you'd sit there and have a conversation um he crews like five six lawyers showed up every time to see this guy he had tons of money his celly just to let you i'm just saying this is the kind of guy he was you know his celly

was a black guy that was complaining because his baby's mama's car had broke down and it just blew like the engine blew right and he went he was yeah he said give me your address I'll get her another car. If somebody drop a car off. And he just, no, man, you don't understand. He's like,

no, I understand. She needs a car. He's like, are you serious? He said, yeah, man. Yeah.

This is a guy that every time commissary came, like his bag was full and three other guys' bags were full that he was buying. People like that. Right. So,

meaning he's putting money on other people's, um, commissary accounts to buy him stuff. And they get 20%. Right. So he, what he did was oh by the way that guy like when that whole thing happened i remember like three

days later um he he got a phone with his girlfriend and said you're not going to believe this we were sitting there i remember we're playing chess or this is true story oh it's true i was in that the black guy came up and he was looking for his celly right his celly was i forget he had been moved for medical he was coming back he was like bro remember he said he was going to get a car he said mike i got a phone two hours ago some guy showed up with like a It wasn't a brand new car. It was like a five-year-old, like, you know, Accura. He's like, I mean, things got like 30,000 miles on it.

He was like, I mean, he just gave it to him. He signed over the title and everything. We were like, damn, like, Tony did that. He was like, yeah. You know, he had a name that was, you know, definitely scream mafia. Yeah, no, I mean, they called him Tony. He was the Tony soprano.

Oh. But, no, he had a Mexican, a Spanish name that was difficult. You know, it wasn't something like Jesus. It was a hard one. So, and anyway, so what happened was, I remember, too, watching my Dateline episode with him. We were all sitting there watching the Dateline episode on me. And I was sitting there just shaking my hand. I kept looking over at him.

He said, you're a bad boy. You know, you're saying, you're a bad boy. So here's what he had done. He had paid a peasant, right, in Mexico to come over through the border. and told law enforcement who was there and how much and that he was coming and he had this much dope or whatever in the car gave him the type of car the tag everything they saw him they grabbed him boom 5k1 then he said so the second that was one he was doing so now he doesn't he now he's already down to like 15 years or something he was supposed to get like 25 he's down to 15 he had already arranged it and he'd been in the jail doing this he arranged to have a guy fly over and land at an airport like a makeshift airport in Texas and the DEA was going to grab him and he was going to have X amount of pounds of pot and that guy was going to and I was like how much time is it he's like oh no the one guy he gets five he got five years we

make sure he you know my lawyer in Mexico make sure that he has the just enough to only get five years and I take care of his family the next guy was going to do 10 like Guys are lining up to come to do his time for him so he could get his sentence reduced. Wow. Yeah, I was just like, you know, that was, listen, Atlanta was right. But I mean, that's the kind of money he had. There was a guy in Coleman that got, this is a guy who we're talking about, he's like one step, maybe, maybe one step below El Chapo when he was running things, right? is actually the person

who was running the Sinaloa cartel was El Chapo and El Mio. Everybody always says Alchapo or Chalfo El Mio's low profile he's really the guy that started the whole thing

and brought in El Chavo the point is is that like one guy there's one guy beneath him and the guy beneath him that was the guy I was locked up

in Coleman with this is an AC this is another another guy that guy had remember the old photo books you could buy the old ones

that you couldn't sell I don't know about where you were but in Coleman they stopped selling the big ones. Yes. I know what you're talking about. But he had...

You mean the little one or the big one? No, the big ones. It was a big one. You could only buy the little ones when I was there. But there were guys that still had the big ones. Huge ones. Yeah, exactly. Like they were like three pictures across and three pictures down.

Back when there were these things called photos that you could actually print out. They were actually photos. And he had books full of them. He'd done like three or four years and he still had a few more years to go. And this is the kind of guy that got caught on a conspiracy and got like a life sentence. but had worked it all the way down by giving up low-level guys that knew what that was going to happen.

Like he sets them up, like they're being set up on purpose and they're saying, okay, so you're going to load 300 pounds in the trunk, and I'm going to drive through here and they're going to arrest me. Yes.

And then it'll take a couple months for you to get sentenced, six months for you to get sentenced, and then you'll get five years. And then we already got sure a lawyer that'll show up. Make sure you're going to get five years. You're only got the, You only got the maximum amount to get five.

You can't get more than five years. And you don't have any priors. No priors. You're going. So anyway, this guy had done the same type of thing. And he was going to a, he was at a low already. And he was going to a camp. He had photos of him in Mexico where he had to do, like, so many years ago,

he had done like two or three years in Mexico. It was insane the photos he had. They were allowing him 10 days a month. You can have your family come and stay. with you in the prison. They had a special spot. America. Yeah, it was, it was insane.

Plus, you understand that so many days a month, you could have other people come in. Like, he literally had prostitutes come in. And they're staying the night. Yes. They're walking them to the cell, stay in the night. He's drinking, he's drinking cores and, and he's got. America has the, if you talk to anyone that's been abroad, America has the most harshest penal system. ever of all of the world um yeah yeah it would russia russia might be no no because i met

i met somebody in jail in russia well i've met some guys that yeah trust me there's there's not in the world but there's three or four there's probably let's say there's five up five or six other countries that are really rough but rough meaning so the conditions are the mexican conditions are horrible right it's like a city i understand they're horrible but in some ways they're horrible But if you have money Yeah The freedom is So in some ways it's like

What are you talking about You're letting people bring them food And yeah they're allowed to bring so much food They're allowed to bring so much They're allowed to come see them And stay in the cell with them For three days straight They're allowed

It's like that's insane And then of course But if you're poor and you go to Mexico It's horrendous And you're you're sleeping in the hallways So it depends on what I guess what What type of a criminal you are

And what your ability you know to produce you know or have money is um so but i was going to say when we're back to the scam sorry well i was i only had two i didn't know if you oh listen the scams that i i admire are like you know i do it this is horror if you remove the victims you know i do admire like like Ponzi schemes, guys who do Ponzi schemes, which is really, it's just, they're just blatant liars, you know, but if you were to set up a Ponzi scheme, here's what bothers me about Ponzi schemes, is that most Ponzi schemes, and I don't mean most, I mean like 99% of them weren't set up as a scam.

Like they were set up as a legitimate business that very quickly goes bad. Sometimes they go do great for six years, 10 years. Sometimes guys set them up, and a year and a half later, they're like, wow, man, like, I'm not good at this. And, you know, where they set it up as a legitimate, let's say, I'm going to, you know, of course the investors always get in trouble. Like it's a hedge fund. They make a couple of bad, they have a bad quarter, then they lie about it. They, oh, I'll make it up next quarter. Then they have another bad quarter.

Right. They lie about it. They have another bad quarter. They lie about it. Then maybe they have a good quarter, but it's nowhere near good enough to recoup the losses they've had. then they have another bad quarter and they're just continuing to tell everybody they're doing well and they just keep borrowing and borrowing and before you know it's like so you know how off are you well um you know i've lost five million dollars you know i'm supposed to have 50 million in you know

the coffers and you know and i don't you know i'm paying out this much money because i've lost this much money but i told people that i made 11 million dollars so wow so you you're off by by $15 million. Yeah. You know, and then it just keeps, it spirals out of control. And then they just try and maintain it as long as possible.

So, you know, if you remove the fact that the people that they're typically taking the money from are just regular people, you know, the ability to do that and set it up and maintain it for a long period of time is, is amazing to me. You know,

that to me is. Well, what scheme are you thinking? about because you know like made off comes to mind made off does what bothers me about made off is you know like he did it in his name like he was just he's just an idiot like well he didn't like you said he didn't start off right take money you know um like give an example um the like a couple of the the ponzi schemes were the guys the i can show you how to do mortgages, you know, like, you know what I'm talking about all those people that go take buy

my system. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you how to, um, buy houses. I'll help you buy houses or I'll put it down, but you find a house. Grant Cardone's type. Yes, him. Yeah. You know, those, those type of Ponzi schemes. Now, those were Ponzi schemes because, because, Greg Cardone's not a Ponzi scheme. Like, like, when you're, I thought you were talking about two different things. Like he's not running a Ponzi. Well, he may be. I don't know. Well, Well, there's one that was a Ponzi scheme. I've seen those people get arrested, all of them. Like, and I never really understood what they did wrong, but they said it was a Ponzi scheme.

And I, you know, a lot of times they typical, here's the thing I've noticed too. Like, I've talked to a lot of guys, this guy, Red Bull, they said he ran a Ponzi scheme. It was a business opportunity scheme. But they're actually, they would, like, it's like people know what a Ponzi scheme is. So a lot of times the newspapers simplify it. Right. Does that make sense? Yes.

So, yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. I hear what you're saying, you know, you know, really there's so many schemes that I'm just, I'm not impressed by as much as I'm just disappointed by. It's like you had something that was legitimate and you ruined it because you didn't do this one thing, you know, or, I always thought that, really, this was like a legit, like I said it was a legit. I don't know, the guy was, like, he basically was giving people a credit card. So it was like, hey, you give me $59, right? And I'll give you a credit card worth $300 and I'll report to the credit bureau. So it's a way to help clean up your credit.

And then he gives you a catalog that you can buy from. Well, everything in the catalog is jacked up. You know, it's all like it's, this is stuff he's getting from China for $15, $15, $200. So everything you can buy is really just, it's horrible. Like you buy one thing and he's not out any money because he took in 50 bucks It cost him $15

Even if you never make a payment Then it doesn't matter He's not out of any money at all And if you do make the payment Well that's great Because eventually he gets the $200 back The point is that was a guy There was a guy in Coleman

Who had done that And it was kind of like A business opportunity thing That he had just kind of set up Right The problem was He said you know I set it up We started running with it

started doing well started hiring people people are calling we're calling we're getting people in we're doing we're doing great numbers he said but then i turned around and he went to like equifax and said how much for me to record these every month and it was too much right they wanted i don't remember the number is let's say they wanted like oh it's like $20 a person he was like that's insane and then they said well you don't have enough if you have this many people like you have a thousand people then we drop it from 20 down to this much if you dollars per month per month then they were like if you do this many if you have over 10,000 people then we drop it down to it's eight dollars like you have to have whatever it was it was an outrageous

amount of number for it to get down to where it was almost nothing right whereas sense which is where someone like Bank of America is like it cost them almost nothing to report right but he wasn't there so he figured okay that's fine at the rate we're going we'll be over the thousand it'll cost eight dollars or whatever it was i forget the number and he said but you know but by the time we got to the thousand like nobody was complaining you know he said like nobody like even people that called said hey it hasn't shown up yet we were like well yeah you have to make a few payments before he should trust me we were he's like like he said and a lot of people would just stop paying so it's like they don't say anything at all they don't want it to show up right and he said

So six months, a year went by. Right. Now he's just telling, he's just telling people, oh, we're reported. Where are you pulling from? Where are you? Oh, yeah. And I was like, down the downward spiral. Right.

But at this point, you could pay. He's like, I know, I forget how many millions he ended up making five, six million. I mean, he was just tons. And he's dumping money into. He's like, you know, advertising, paying this. Like, but you're making millions. Yes. You're telling me you made, if I had a little scheme that I was.

was running that was making me $2 million. And for me to make it legit, I have to spend a million. Yeah. Even if it's a million out of my two... Half. I'll spend the million to keep a million. Yes. He wouldn't do it. Wouldn't do it. So, within

a year or two, it catches up with them. This lifestyle. Just a jerk off. You know, and then he gets arrested. And then, of course, they go in front. He's got hundreds. No, I'm sorry. Thousands and thousands of victims. So what he thought was, okay, it's a few million I'll do a couple years.

It ended up being ridiculous. It was like six to eight years or something because he had so many victims. Yeah. Because do you remember that the federal sentencing guidelines, like if I have zero to 10. They changed it. They changed it now. But when I got sentenced, yeah. What I'm saying is, no, it's five.

It was five, wasn't it? No, it was more than 10. Right. No, it goes up in increments. Well, yeah, 10 and 50. Right. And then then it goes up again. It goes of like 150, 250, and over 500, something like that.

Like it keeps going. Oh, wow. When I got sentenced, it was more than 10, then it was more than 50. I think it was up to 250, up to 250 or more. They changed it. They changed it for real. I got slam. Well, so what happened with him was like, let me, let me put it this way.

Let's say I stole a million dollars from two people. Like I sold a million from you and a million from you. I don't get an enhancement for that. Like, I don't get it, I don't get an enhancement for the victims because, but if I stole, you know, $20 from 50 people, I get this massive enhancement. It's like, wait a second.

I stole next to nothing from these people, 20 bucks a pot. That's nothing. That's not going to change their life. These guys wiped someone out. They're like, I know, but they have more victims. It's $20. like even if it and it's less money yeah but less money and yeah but you have more victims yeah

but that's not like their their logic is skewed but that makes sense to me if if because chances are the 20 bucks are from poorer people and you wipe out rich people so it's 900,000 dollars from an old retired woman yeah you're right so you know it doesn't it doesn't well that's what it doesn't balance they were trying to change that there was like an amendment that that um I forget fam had put up or somebody they were trying to you know they never do change them but they were like when I was

you know we were getting these letters like hey we're put this is going up they're going to change this and this and this and like none of it passed the problem with the feds is it's none of it's retroactive yeah even if it does it be new people which which you want to kind of say you know like okay so I

already stole that money you don't make anything retroactive why why have to pay those freaking people that already so you're like oh well this is wrong we'll change it But we're not going to, like, the people who got screwed by it, we're not going to unscrew them. So I got caught with a pound of marijuana today, and I got a year. Right.

This guy got caught with two pounds on Tuesday, and he gets nothing. Right. Because now it's not illegal. Yeah, but when you did it, it was illegal. Yes, but it's now not. Right. I get it. Can we let me, can we make it that retroactive and let me out?

No. Absolutely not. No, you're a criminal. he didn't get it from a pharmacy either I know but he got it from the same guy I got it from you know it doesn't matter yeah it's it's crazy it's crazy so yeah they never made any of those victim changes retroactive but like um for me the the Ponzi scheme I agree I think it's someone losing control of a specific situation like all the all the infamous all the famous ones that I know about yeah it's just kind of like you get off the hands

handle. Do you remember, and I'm going to say this completely wrong, where it's not even going to be probably valid. I probably shouldn't even try it. But there was one guy that was offering a pill that was supposed to make your penis larger. Of course. Of course I do. And he goes, hi, meat, meat, dick. Yeah. And he would do that. It was so, yeah, you know, he got, yeah, he got busted. Yes. Because, like, I'm going, what kind of, like, when I saw that, like, I immediately, now I'm in jail. I immediately ran to the law library to Looked that up because I'm like, what Ponzi scheme could he have pulled off? Wasn't a Ponzi scheme?

Yes, it was. No. Because, oh, it was dishonest. It was a Ponzi scheme. No, it wasn't. It was just, that's not a Ponzi scheme. You know what a Ponzi scheme is? It's, it's, it's, Ponzi scheme is when you're, you're giving me money where you're taking

from new victims to pay old victims off and it eventually coll, yeah, how you're serious? You're killing me. I'm sorry. A Ponzi scheme is where you give me $100,000 and I say you're making 20% a year. And you go, okay, but really I just spent your money on a Lamborghini, you know, and a new house for me. And then when you say, hey, Matt, I need to get $100,000 of that back. I say, oh, okay, Connor, give me $100,000. I'll make you 20% a year.

And you go, okay, you give it to me and I give you $100,000 or $20,000, or $20,000, whatever your proceeds are I'm taking from. So anytime you pull it out, pull out, I'm giving you money that I'm taking you money that I'm taking from Mary Shelley from Connor from Jess from so other people are paying in and I'm anybody who says hey man I'm using it for what you're supposed to use it for right right so anytime somebody said you say hey I give you $100,000 and it's been five years it's now worth 300,000 I say oh I got it here's your 300,000 but I just took their money to pay you and when he asked for his money I'm taken from Bob and Jim and Bill to pay him and so what happens is it's okay it functions okay if more people pay in all the time that's what social security is social security

is people it's it's a legal Ponzi scheme yes because they're pulling it from everybody's check to pay out people that had paid in originally yes so insolvent but at some point meet dick and jane yes that guy yeah what was so so what you do you know what i know this whole scam well you know what it was you have that oh go ahead go you tell okay so here's what he was saying What they were saying was, well, it's a money back guarantee. Like, you pay for it. If it doesn't work, we'll give you your money back. And it didn't work.

No, no. Well, of course it doesn't work. But his whole thing was when people said, I want my, man, I paid $500. I want my $500 back. It's been six months. I've been taking this pill. I'm out of pills. And nothing ever happened.

My Johnson did not get bigger, which you promised. Right. And he said, okay, well, all we need is a letter from your doctor, showing that prior to you taking the pills, you were this. size and now you're you're still the same size and that the pills did not help you so just get us a letter from your doctor you can prove it we'll give you the money back who the hell like i didn't if you read the fine print we have to have proof or that sort so well i'm sorry but i didn't go to my doctor and get him to measure my junk before and after so they're like well

i'm sorry then how do we know it didn't work look how small my junk is exactly like so you imagine people are taking pictures here's your money back look at this some people are like this here's your money back does this look like my wife is smiling the way that chick on the commercial right right um yeah so as a result of that they ended up so it was it was unfair you know business practices it was it was false advertising it was we got to look that up because how would that be even a federal case just uh because he's doing it across state lines he's doing it all over ain't you know still in from thousands and thousands of you know little penis men which need to be protected which is embarrassing itself you know i'm seeing that all lined up

in court yeah i still got nothing yeah it's upsetting i wish what is that that i was the name what's the name of the of the the scam right um um scam involving making your penis big with a pill. I find smiling Bob loses his fortune and his freedom. And newslois, John London, has more on the male enhancement kill scam in this story. It's new tonight at 5.30. Hi, John. Hi, Sheree, he was blinded by his own arrogance and greed. That is the bottom line tonight from a federal judge who hit Steve Worshack with a 25-year prison sentence and a $500 million fine. Is he still in?

Bumped up against the face of federal justice today in a case about greed. That's how Judge Arthur Spiegel puts it. He's giving Steve Warshak 30 days to get his affairs in order before heading for 20 plus years of federal prison. This was the perfect storm of consumer fraud. He turned him free himself in. We had a group of consumers that wouldn't want to come forward and say that they've been ripped off. Warshack started Berkeley Nutraceuticals, which was rated on suspicion of massive fraud. Federal investigators say consumers were ripped off,

a hundred million dollars worth of ripping by way of those enzyme ads. That promised greater sexual satisfaction. According to the court, it delivered deception instead. Judge Spiegel telling Worshack he preyed on the sexual inadequacies and vulnerabilities of consumers so as to keep massive amounts of money generated by fraud. Attorney Jim O'Reilly is using this case as Exhibit A for his new book, Corporate Criminal Sentencing. As we spoke, the viability of the entire company rested on the size of the federal fine upstairs. Managements all the time are making decisions that are bet the company decisions.

He happened to bet on consumer fraud. He didn't get away with it. Warshak's 75-year-old mother got a two-year sentence. Other defendants faced the music tomorrow. And late today, the Berkeley Corporation was fined. $15 million, those running that have three months to pay it. It is not known tonight if they'll sell or even if they'll be able to continue to operate. This ain't no results about.

I'm in the newsroom, John London, NewsFondon. I'll tell you when I get home out. 100 million. million dollar for one and he did nine years nine years could you get somebody to do it for could you get somebody to do the time for mine was uh my fraud was a hundred thousand dollars i know and i got 16 and a half and and my judge feels like that just simply wasn't enough he's he's but it wasn't was it no it wasn't enough and on top of that you had an extensive criminal history yes My lawyer, did you see that look?

My lawyer called me a consimate, a consummate criminal. I had to look that up. Consumant criminal. Yes. When I read that in the transcript, I'm like, what the heck is that consummate mean? Did you go, stop. It means perfect. Nice.

I like it. I'll never forget that. I'm reading it in a transcript. Mr. Allen is a consummate criminal. Did you say, your honor. If I was. consummate, would we even be having this time? If I was a perfect criminal,

we wouldn't even know each other. Certainly wouldn't have been in front of you all these times. Over and over. Like, at this point, what's his first name? My, who? My judge? Yeah. James. Like at this point, you basically walk in

and go, Jimmy! What's going on? What have you been up to? You know what I've been up to? No. That's why we're here. I can't stand that. Let's not go there. All right. So, do you have any other schemes that you admire besides the Little Dick and guy?

You know, there's a rapper named Little Dickie. Really? Yes. There's a rapper or there's a, there's a guy named. He's got a TV show now, doesn't he? Yeah. There's a Black Zach guy too. Black Zach.

Have you ever punched in your thing? like this is this is the first thing that comes up oh yeah yeah then this comes up then you come up but the first guy is way better mix you too like have you listened to the song no why what is it is it one is it one song i mean he's got 18 of you have you listened to it yes it's horrible no it's zanadu quality you've already got more more more were uh views at him yes yeah i want to copy him oh wow oh wow check out the other blackzag everybody oh it's bad oh it's horrible i told you that look at the booty on that chick look look he's got the glasses yeah i can't dance

Oh, it, it, it, it, look. Look at him. Look at him. Come on, put this up. Get him some view. Get him some subscribers. We need to handsome subscriber. The other black, Zach.

Hold on. Connor. It's actually not bad. Why do you think that's bad? Are you serious? Play that thing. I don't think it's bad at all. It's just good as any of the rap music I've heard.

He's got a whole, he loves it too. He loves what he's doing. Here it comes. Dude, it's horrible. I'm like, what is this? No way. I hope this doesn't get copyrighted. Oh, yeah, he takes it.

How many songs? He only has one song or does he have multiple songs? No, he's got a, look, he's, look, so he's, what, he's got, oh, no, oh, he's got, look at it. Tell him to check out my channel. We should, you should come back to Matt, like, thank you very much for subscribe. That's how you should close it out, the other black Zach. Speaking, speaking of illegals, speaking of schemes, what about the other black Zach, the guys whose name I stole? What about, listen, I knew a guy in Coleman that was a concert promoter.

that promoted several concerts. Right. And then, and people paid, whatever, a couple hundred bucks, like, I mean, radio stations, everything. And he was promoting concerts for people that weren't, like, these are artists that are like, well, what am I going to be in Michigan? What's going on? Like, he'd take them, and they put the money, they'd send in their money, and then they, with a promoter would take the money. And then they would come out and say, hey, it's been postponed, postponed. Like, on the tickets, it says, like, hey, if there's, you know, weather and this and that would postpone. you'll understand and he kept he would postpone it like 60 days then another 90 then another 30 then 60 and then they just drop away they just fade out just and he kept your money right kept your money by that one your money's way on um yeah so he uh but he did a whole thing it eventually caught up with it he was in coleman with us and when i got out he listen to this i always forget about this this is hilarious so when i first got to that this is a whole sidebar thing so when i first got to

the halfway house do you remember how how how which halfway house did you go to the one on the same one you did okay so you know they were tricked right like they were like like they're checking you you come in you and then they do the thoroughly but yeah rule wise yes rule wise yes what I'm saying is what when so for instance people couldn't just show up and like for instance And they, they told you give, did you get the little speech when you got there? Yes. Like if you have, don't friends come over, they have to be, you have to tell them. They have to sign in.

They have to this. Like, don't have somebody come meet you in the parking lot. Right. Like, that's an issue. Like, if they saw you, they'd violate you. Like, hey, some guy just came by. They'd search you. Like, what's going on?

You stood out there and talked to that guy for 20 minutes and, you know, that sort of thing. You know, hey, that's an illegal this, whatever, stand there. We're calling. Like, they, they'd violate you. You'd go spend 30 days in the county jail. So they, to me, they were strict. They had made you clean all the time. If you didn't have a job, you're cleaning all the time.

Like, they made you want to get out of that halfway house as quick as possible. So, and I was there for seven months. You know, you were there. You were at a job. Yeah, I know, but I'm saying you, you, you got on an ankle monitor right away. You were out right away. 30 days, 30 days. I was there seven months.

So were you in there? The whole seven months. You never got home confinement? You didn't have a home. I didn't have a home. I can't stay with my mom. Oh, my God. Seven months?

You and Jess. that's right no jess got out within 60 90 days she was out oh okay because she had her dads oh okay and the only reason that took so long was like he had to get like a landline like you didn't have a landline there's he's in my act he's got a cell phone who the hell has a landline right um so anyway the point is is that when i got there i had been there two weeks i get there i'm keeping my head down i'm just doing what i have to do i get there and probably within a week guys are walking around

one day all of a sudden within like a day or so I noticed guys are walking around looking at me looking at me and then one day I walk by a guy sitting on the couches remember the couches in the middle in the day room guys watching he's watching my this is when my American greed was on Hulu he's watching it on Hulu as I walk by

and I hear the whole and I'm like I look over and he's sitting there watching and I look he looks up he is he just smiles and he was watching I was like you know I was like oh man so I then I walk and a counselor not my counselor is actually he was Jess's counselor this black guy he walks by and looks at me he goes Cox so saw you on TV last night and I went on on what and he goes he said on American greed I was like oh man he is yeah yeah you need to hold your head low like he was like he He was like, give me all. He was laughing about it.

Like they were, but I say, who else has seen it? And he goes, oh, we've all seen it by now. We've all, everybody, like all the staff member had seen it. So that had just happened. And now the inmates are starting to watch it. Right. And I'm not saying anything. I'm just trying to go to working back, right? Like, I just started my job. So then one day I'm sitting there on the, sitting outside on the, or not outside, I'm sorry, sitting on one of the couches in the day room playing on my phone or even trying to figure it out and a guy comes up to me this guy that was in Coleman with goes up he says you got to come outside real quick there's a guy outside wants to talk to you and I went what he is there's a guy outside I wants to talk to you and I went

who told him to come in he's not he's in a car he needs to talk to you and he goes you need to come outside and I went all right all right so I get up I was like the fuck's going on I don't know anybody nobody the only people that know I'm even here is like Treon and I'm working for him like who stops and nobody's stopping by the halfway who knows where the halfway house is right i walk outside remember how everybody used to stand outside and smoke yes there's like 20 the tree yeah exactly there's 20 guys standing outside smoking like this staring the guy that i told you about the concert promoter is in a white Lamborghini with the the top off his girlfriend is driving the car, blonde, blue-eyed. I walk out and I see him and I walk over and he goes,

he goes, Matt, Cox, he's come here, come here. I walk over and I go, hey, what's going on? I barely, I kind of recognized him. He'd sat through my, my real estate class a couple times. We'd had lunch a few times. Like, I don't really remember him that much, but he remembered me. He said, hey, man, I'm so-and-so. I was in your real estate class. Do you remember me? And I was like, yeah, man, what's going on? Like, I kind of remembered him. I was like, Yeah, that was like a long time. He goes, yeah, it was a few years ago. I told you I'd look you up.

He said, I looked in the, looked you up every once in a while I would look, go on BOP. And I saw that you were going to be in the halfway house. He said, I knew it said, Orlando. You were going to be in Orlando. He says, oh, I checked and sure enough you were here. I told my girl, we had to go by. He said, man, do you need anything? I said, no, man.

I said, I'm not even supposed to be talking to you, bro. I said, like, they got videos. Like, you're going to get me violated. He goes, well, how can I get you talk to you? and I said, man, I said, I work at a gym, and I told him the name of the gym and this, and I'm sitting there talking to a guy in a Lamborghini in the halfway house parking lot with all these guys smoking cigarettes, like, what the hell is going on? I go, but honestly, I can't.

I said, I work at a gym. It's called, you know, Coltis 24-7 fitness. Look at it up 24-7 fitness. I'll be there tomorrow. And I turn around. He's, all right, I got you. I got you. And I walked off.

Called me like two days later, two, three days later, he called the gym, talked to me got my phone number came by the gym we talked for a while pulls up in his Lamborghini yeah I was just like like this is not this is my life I like you know what I know this is insane you know I've met a month since since I went to prison like I've met four or five guys that have Lamborghinis yeah you know I've met two yeah it's it's outrageous like I didn't know these people before where were these people before and when I had money you were in a low yeah I'm in a pen and a medium

yeah there shouldn't have been no guys with a Lamborghini pins of medium that's insane those are violent guys it's none of them no oh one of you introduced me too which was the guy you sent me to Miami for the one with the liquid oh yeah

yeah yeah yeah he pulled up in his Lamborghini I'm like what the yeah good times and the other one is who does my daughter's hair. Oh, okay. So, yeah. Now, these are all like prison guys with Langerie's, yeah.

Well, no, no, not all of them. Well, you know, prison is the great equalizer, you know. Yeah, absolutely. Because Conrad Black was at Coleman Lowe. Yeah. And he's a multi-billionaire. Yeah. Oh, I've met, there have been a few billionaires.

Listen, I've met like three guys. I want to say some, I think, I feel like it's three guys. I know for sure it's, no, it is. think it's three guys that worked at that worked at NASA three guys that worked at NASA that I met that worked at NASA that were all in there all of them pictures I'm so I'm not saying I'm not saying I don't know what if there's a correlation there but the fact that you meet one person in real world that worked at NASA is odd like how does how often does that happen even if you lived in Florida that's odd to meet three listen that the the the military dorm my buddy

Pete said the military dorm out of the entire military dorm there's like 30 32 to 35 guys that don't have charges for pictures out of 150 guys there's what close to 120 that are there for pictures I just saw that I just saw it in the paper the other day about a a raid and with the pictures. Didn't I show you what I got the message where it comes through like, hi, my name is such and such. I want to talk with you.

No, I get that all the time. I get, where it's just a random text. It's like, hey, Hey, John or hey,

Sally. And you're like, this isn't Sally. Oh, what's your name? Stop it. Stop it. I don't know what you're doing.

I don't have time for this foolishness. I don't even respond to those. I'm talking. I get a text message or, or a messenger request. I told you about that one time and like, hi, I'm 16 and I'm blah. I'm like, oh my God.

Right. No, I don't get that far. Like, I have gotten. Well, no, because I'm like, oh, she's pretty. Let me. You're like, oh, oh. Slash the stand jump, start jumping on it. Yeah.

I just got a random text just now. Probably coupled with a picture. My name is. No. It's, to me, all that, that's in entrapment. Yeah. Oh, we got to put those out to get the hell out of here, man.

I read somebody, I read a case with that happened to someone. I'm trying to remember what was the circumstance behind that. I remember a case that there was a first time that like the guy because supposedly in the federal system entrapment is not a defense. Like they don't want, they don't allow you to say I was entrapped.

Simply because that's what they're doing. Because that's what they're doing. Like I hate it when you use what they're doing against them. So So this is a guy that owned a piece of land that was right next to a piece of a federal park, right? Like a national park. And the park wanted to buy his land. And he, for 20 years or something, he refused to sell it.

And suddenly, some new park administrators had come on board and they were talking about expanding the park. And they were like, well, this is the park that we want. And they were trying to, like, say, we're going to take it. And he was saying, you don't have to have it. Like, you can't use eminent domain to take my property. It doesn't benefit the public enough that you need it. You've already got 400,000 acres of, you know, of land. Like, it's just stupid.

And he wouldn't sell it. And so suddenly he started getting these emails for a website for pictures. and he deleted it and then it came again two days later deleted it then another one came

and deleted it then another one came and every day we're talking about every day four or five a day of these emails saying to visit the website very specific saying what it was

this went on for 90 days this guy this guy like it was something like close to a thousand times deleted it finally one day he clicked on it he said I he said I didn't know how to make it stop I'd hit the note stop to unsubscribe I did this and they showed they proved it he'd done all this one day he finally clicked on it he clicked on it and it's it's something basically he said

I flipped through some pictures you know he said very quickly maybe five or ten pictures he said got off the website click the unsubscribe and deleted it thinking maybe that will work like it was kind of it was something along those lines he's trying to finalize it like get rid of this there was like a 60 minutes about this only reason I know it it was like a 60 minutes 60 minutes or 20-21 of those

and so and I could be botching the story slightly but what ended up happening was he gets arrested like three days later they indict him and come and arrest him and during the negotiations they're telling him like hey look like you to plead guilty um you know like they're trying to get his property they're trying to use seizure to take his property he's saying what are you talking about like seize what what do you my that has nothing to do with this and i don't even know know what happened here like i was trying to get rid of these things so he goes to trial even those lawyers saying you're done you're done people have no

they're not going to look past the fact that you clicked on it he goes to trial and he wins which was insane because he did click on it and he did look at the images and that's all the law But it was enough that his lawyer had put together enough of a defense to say it's outrageous how many times they hammered him and bombarded him with this. And so he was able to win an entrapment style claim. Right. And he ended up winning. But it was a it was, and they showed also that they were, that the FBI was targeting him very specifically. Like, yeah, they were they were trying to get him hemmed up so that they could get a hold of his land somehow, get some leverage.

Now, they were never able to get. a specific person or anything but it was pretty clear and that he ended up winning it good right but you know like you said like but surprise he didn't end up going to prison anyway right but that almost never happens so i'm saying let the idea that he could win that defense it almost never happened never so that's a uh an example that i tell you another time a guy was buying a guy I knew a guy that, and this was pretty well documented too. This is like totally off the subject. But anybody watching this, that's watching this far would probably be interested.

The point is that this guy had, he was buying credit card information. And the guy said, hey, what about getting some pictures? I think we all know what kind of pictures were talking about. And the guy said, hey, man, I sell, I sell pictures, I sell videos, I have pictures of this. And he was like, oh, bro, I'm not interested in that. I'm trying to get, you know, you. advertised on this website that you had credit card information like that's who he thought he was contacting right and it somehow or another he it wasn't that like they were they were like well

we don't have that he ended up getting an FBI agent that was getting this up doing that you know entra or grab trying to get people to be interested in this other thing so he ends up saying no no no no no and finally the guy says I have bootleg videos of new movies and I have the credit card information you want. So he says, okay. Well, so he says, well, the bootleg videos were just like bootleg videos from movies. So he dropped the other thing. And then they sent, he bought it, they sent it to him.

He gets it. In the information they had put, they had put like JPEGs of photographs of young people. they indict him arrest him they come and arrest him grab his computer he's got the images on there they showed that he did look at them for a few seconds apiece but in his mind he said did i look at them yes he said i didn't know what they were because i told him over and over again i wasn't interested in that he did take a plea by the way he ended up taking a plea because he said i was so my lawyer was like you're so screwed because the law says that says, if you simply have possession, you're already guilty.

They go, and you did have possession, and you did look at the pictures, and you looked at them too long. Like, if you look at them for more than, like, four seconds or something, or six seconds, there's a length of time for you to look at it. Realize what you're looking at is wrong and delete it. He looked at it for longer. And then, and he didn't delete them. They were like, so it's still on your computer. You didn't try and delete them. You're guilty.

So he just took a plea. He got like, I don't know what it was five years, six years. or whatever it was for just a few yeah let's see see like and people say like well what do you guys you get so freaked out if somebody's trying to send you a message or hell you talk to bozac bozac's like he's like anybody that tries to contact me that i think is even remotely too young he's like boom no no no they sneak up on you i have a um a buddy of my old sally that on his facebook page he sent me a couple of them like what what is this oh this my girlfriend I'm like, hey, don't send me any more.

Yeah, anybody that looks even remotely. Yes. And what's so funny, too, is like, you could be 25 years old and send me a picture. 25 year olds, to me, look like they're 12. You know, like the older you get, the younger everybody else looks. So some girl said, oh, I'm 25. I'd be like, I just, this chick looks like she's 12 years old.

You know? So, yeah, I could imagine me. Because I hear these horror stories, horror stories. Well, you are, like, I wasn't around them, too. The ones I was around were probably success. They weren't just picture watchers. No, they're creators. They were, uh, didler.

We had the, we had the hand. Diddlers on the roof. Yeah. Hands on and hands off. Yeah. You know that dude, you were talking to? Yeah, you know he's hands on, right? Oh, man.

Are you serious? No, no, no hands on would be there at all. Oh, at your place. At your place. No, at the low? At the low. Yeah, they were there. The hands on?

Yeah. Yeah, these are guys like, brought somebody across state lines. I told you, didn't I ever tell you about that? But it couldn't have been a full rape. No, this is a low. Right. That's what I'm saying.

Oh, I don't know about the full. This is somebody who made the attempt or was actually showed up someplace. Right. The ones that I saw were absolutely hands on. Oh, yeah. Oh, well, listen, there was a guy in Germany who flew from Germany to the United States thinking he was meeting like a 14-year-old boy or something. flew all the way there and it's legal in Germany

by the way like the age of consent was like 14 the boy was 14 he flies all the way over here gets arrested and says hey I haven't done anything wrong I was in my country they said you flew to the United States he then goes to the German consulate and tries to get help they wouldn't lift a finger for him

he's like it's not illegal in Germany like I and I didn't do it and the other thing is in Germany like you didn't do anything to him is like I just showed up I didn't do it that in Germany you would have after you have done something, they were like, nope, 25 years. America, when America tells them like, like, we're keeping this one, you're, yeah, they're just, stay back off.

It's kind of like, oh, well, there's nothing we can do. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. I don't, anyway. I mean, not that he's not a weirdo, but. Is he a weirdo? I mean, you know, you get to a point where it's like everybody's a weirdo. I said, everybody I met was just like odd, you know?

It's like everybody, you just meet people. he's just I you know it was so I hate to say that I would you know started to try and figure out what people's charges were like I you know and they would lie you know they always use fraud they always say what you hear fraud and you mother why can't you say something you could pull off because you know very quickly it's like oh what kind of fraud um credit card fraud you were charged with credit card fraud yes charge of charges that actually said credit card fraud yeah it was credit card fraud because there's no federal charge for credit card for credit card because there's no federal charge for credit card for credit. credit card fraud. So it had to be access device fraud. It had to be like, like if you're going to lie about my field of expertise, learn something. Research. That's right. Like you can't say like, you know, cannabis.

I was receiving cannabis in the mail. Say that. You don't have to know anything. Well, you know, I will give them credit. Like, if they're at the low and they're saying fraud, that's actually security level appropriate. because most of the time drugs are medium and up. Right. There were some guys that would work their way down

from the medium to the low. But yeah, I'm putting it for drugs. They probably feel like they get called out for drugs too fast anyway. Yeah, well, I don't think they, listen, it doesn't matter. You talk to these guys for 10 minutes and anyways, after 10 minutes,

you're just like, no, man. I don't, I mean, even if you talk to talk, like, I'm sorry, bro. I don't believe you. You're not a drug out. You're not here for that. Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. I got all the lingo

that stop it I've been watching them yeah get out of here yeah you can start I'm it's all I think about the ones that you

envy is that what oh listen I hear scam are we recording okay so I hear scams all the time

where I see it I read a little article or somebody tells me about their scam or I'll see I'll see something on the news and it's just like oh man like if they just did if they didn't the problem with most people is you read this scam and you're like that's a good scam like what went wrong like he did it in his own name yes or he did it in his sister's name or his one of his

buddies like what are you doing and or and then it breaks down where you're like why didn't they just open a bank account in somebody else's name or in a fake person's name or in a you know a homeless person or whatever's name and dump the money in there and remove it and you're like well and then I always have to remind myself like bro not everybody and this is going to sound arrogant has your skill set like not everybody can figure out how to get a driver's license in somebody else's name or an ID whatever not everybody's multi-faceted where they like they just have a scam and they like a pit bull they lock on it right they're like I could probably make uh I could probably make 10,000 20,000 on this not realizing okay you

could make 20 grand yes but three months from now you're in front of a job or you're just getting handcuffed and you're waiting to be in front of a judge. Yeah. And then you do six months or a year and now you're on your probation and then you start looking back on it and you go, Jesus, God Almighty,

for 30 grand or 20 grand. I just put a year in jail. I just spent a year in jail. I lost all my shit. People never realize like, going to jail, who gives a shit? I don't give a shit. I'll go to jail for fucking six months.

If I can come back where I left off. The problem is you're coming back. You've lost everything. And what's even worse is that, He said, the people you know are the ones that took it. Yes. Like, nobody came in and boxed up my shit and stuck in the storage unit, even in their garage. It's pilfered.

You get, you get absolutely robbed. Everyone's taking everything. You see somebody two years later and you're like, hey, Jimmy, what? Is that my shirt? Maybe. Hey, if you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Share the video.

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