Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - HOW HE STOLE A DOCTORS IDENTITY | IAN BROWNE

Episode Date: May 17, 2023

HOW HE STOLE A DOCTORS IDENTITY | IAN BROWNE

Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Ian Brown. Ian has a super interesting story about it's basically a doctor shopping, right? Really, it's actually we stole a doctor's identity. So where were you born? I was born in Lowell, Massachusetts. Okay, what are you doing in Florida? What are you doing in Florida? How'd you get to Florida?

How'd you get to Florida? Well, Lowell, Massachusetts ended up turning into a, like, there's a massive, you know, during the cocaine epidemic. Right. You know what I mean? And it was, there was even an HBO special on it called Lowell on Lull High on Crack Street. Okay. Like, it's really bad. And actually the movie, The Fighter, if you guys ever heard of that?

Yeah, I saw The Fighter. That was actually in Lowell, Massachusetts. Okay. So, yeah, it was, crack was a big thing. So my family was like, we got to go. Right. And then also my mother's brother was down, also my grandparents. So we just, we moved down here in the early 90s.

I want to say 92, 91. How old were you? A seven. Okay. So crack wasn't a problem for you. Oh, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We left because of all of that.

So you came to Florida? Are you in Tampa or St. Pete? We moved to St. Pete, Jungle Prada. Okay. Yeah, we rented a small house. It was temporary. My father's a machinist, mother, homemaker.

All right. You know, and my brother and I. And went to Azalee Elementary. You know what I mean? It was a real culture shock when I first moved down here. Because in Massachusetts, everything is organized. You know what I mean? As far as race goes.

Oh, okay. Okay. As crazy as that sounds. Like, you have your Jewish neighborhood, your Portuguese neighborhood, your Italian neighborhood, your Irish neighborhood. And you're like... It's rich and poor. Yeah. Oh, in a sense.

And then when I came down here, all of a sudden, it's like I'd see a black person or an African American or whatever. Right. And they would be like, you know, walking out a street and they would actually cross the street. And like, and to me, that was so confusing. It was really like... They're in the wrong neighborhood. Well, yeah, it was, it was really odd how, like, how they act so much different down here in the South. You know what I mean?

The South was just. It was a culture shock. Yeah, really big culture shock, really big culture shock. All right. So what, um, what, so you, would you graduate high school? Would you go to high school? Oh, I graduated high school in Pinellas County Jail. And how'd you get to how that happened?

I feel like we, we, I feel like we, I feel like we skipped something. Um, well, I, I, I, I, uh, I scored high in the IQ test. Right. I scored a 132. I just really didn't like school. I don't like people telling me what to do. Got a lot of fights, got spent it on purpose, you don't mean, assaults. I assaulted a teacher, all sorts of things.

And, and I just, you ended up in, you ended up in, what, juvenile? No, no, no, no, no, believe it or not. No, actually, they cut us a deal when I was in my teens. They said, if you just drop out now that you're 16, then we won't give you an assault charge. For assaulting a teacher? Yes, I assaulted a teacher. What did the teacher do? Well, on my way out of the class, I was leaving.

I was like, you know, go fuck yourself. And when I flicked them off, he said, is that your IQ or your age? I snapped. Okay, okay. So listen, when I leave, when I, I mean, it's been a while since I've been in school, but when I would leave the class to go to my next class, I seldomly said, go fuck yourself to my teacher. Typically something has to happen for that. So I'm saying, what happened that you told your teacher to go fuck yourself?

Was that just a normal? He was a veteran, and I didn't stand up for the pledge, the Pledge of Allegiance. Oh, okay. I don't know if they still do that now. I'm not even sure exactly. but so i didn't stand up for the pledge guy was a vietnam veteran right so he was very upset and i was like i'm not going to stand up for that fucking rag fuck you okay so i was i was really a bad kid right in school like i really did like the opposite of what you were supposed to do right

on purpose okay so then you mouthed off to him you flipped him a bird what happened he came at you or just mouthed off back yeah he just said is that your IQ of your age when i flicked him off so I got angry and I grabbed a garbage can knocked over the overhead projector and then through the garbage can at him and then I walked out and then went home and what the police show up or what? Well yeah it was a God if I can remember

as deputy mayor and what they did is they cut me a deal because I had more referrals than anybody else in the entire high school I had, I think, 53 by December. Referrals saying don't send a kid. Referrals, like, you know, I would get in trouble at school. Right.

Right to your referral. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, so I had like 53 by December. I had a bunch of twilight detentions. I never showed up to. It was like in the 20s. I never showed up to a single one, but I did it on purpose because I'd get suspended because I just didn't want to be there.

Right. I was a very angry, very angry kid, I guess. okay so at all right so then so so you were in how'd you how'd you you dropped out of school how'd you end up in jail well I ended up in jail when uh well actually the first time I ended up in jail was for possession of alcohol and they sent me to juvenile arbitration rehab juvenile arbitration rehabilitation facility okay it's like uh something to do with par that's big in state of florida par and uh they kept me there for three days like it's like some stupid fake rehab thing it's right i i don't even think it's even still even there but uh they kept me there for three

days and i got out and that was pretty much it and then i you know how to do community service and stuff for the possession of alcohol and whatnot. Okay. So that way, you went to jail then? Yeah. Oh, actually, my first arrest, I'm sorry. I got to backtrack a little bit. My first arrest, I was 12 years old.

And my first arrest was retail theft for stealing cigarettes. Hey, I hope you're enjoying the video. And if you're interested in buying a painting from me, my contact information is in the description box. Back to the video. All right. So then what happened?

So after the, so you're, rest of then they let obviously you're 12 you don't say in jail very long no no it was it was uh god it was called they called it pejack it was in penniless county so i stayed there for until your parents pick you up pretty much right it's how it goes so i stayed there and then my parents picked me up went home then i'd do like community service and pay some well my mother had to pay the fine so really my mother is the one who ended up you know getting hurt really by it not me all right so you graduated high school this started with you so how many times were you arrested in general before you were 18 I was arrested for

retail theft at 12 13-ish then I was arrested for trespassing around 14 and then I was arrested again for another possession of alcohol I was an alcoholic from like to age 12 like I'd drink before school and everything and yeah after that I was

didn't really get arrested again and then I learned how to pretty much evade the cops and I smartened up a little bit. And then my next arrest wasn't until 2007. Yeah, but you said you graduated high school when you were locked up. Yeah, that was in 2007. Oh, okay.

What was that arrest for? That was for, here we go. Is that for the prescription fraud? Okay, so how'd that start? Well, how that started was I was always selling, pills, oxycodone, hydromorphone, morphine, whatever. And I had a lot of people that were... How'd you get into doing that? Like, that's not something someone, you don't apply for a job doing that. When I was young, I started eating pills around between 16, 18. I ate some that really got bad at age 18. And then I became,

like physically addicted by that right yeah and that's when things you know really really took a turn for the worse so i was always selling drugs to to pay for my habit right so i was selling marijuana at the time so that's how i bought my first car that's how i so i sold a bunch of weed did that and then eventually I graduated into just taking pills every day like it started getting bad that was because back then it was hard to get pills like you know what I mean opioids there was no roxies or any of that stuff or D's or whatever they call them now you know what you mean there was none of that it was extremely hard like I would have to find young kids and I'd trade them weed to go through their

parents pills right to give them to me like it was it was really difficult because it wasn't a huge thing like it is now right like this is like before it really got big and hey sorry for interrupting the video but i want to let you guys know that if you join my patreon at the top tier every single month you get a different painting and the contact information for my patreon page is in the description back to the video and what i did was You know, I got worse and worse, more addicted. I started trading weed to young kids so they could steal pills from their parents. Then I started meeting people that were on or prescribed medication, like oxycontin, oxycodone, hydromorphone, things like that.

Right. And now they saw on the news that these pills are worth all this money. So there was grandparents having their grandkids sell it on the street and stuff or to get rid of them. Because they saw that it was such a big moneymaker. Right. They literally like used their own children to sell. So. Yeah, I wrote a book. I written a couple stories, but I actually wrote a book called Generation Oxy.

And yeah. So they were going for like what, like a dollar a milligram or something like that. Oh, well, no, at that time. God, I was getting oxycott in 80s for, I think I never paid more than $10. Right. So at that time, you know, I was loading up on them from anywhere I can get. The kids that I, the guys that I was, that I wrote a book about, they were sending them to Tennessee and Alaska. And they were paying like a dollar.

They were paying like a dollar milligram. Like they could get them here for next to nothing. Yep. And ship them up north because there were so many pill mills. Oh, yeah. They literally roll up in a U-Haul. like from Kentucky or something they'd roll up

to a pain management clinic in a U-Haul and have a bunch of people like literally inside the U-Haul like they all bring inside of it and they'd like pull out a grill, a barbecue because they'd have to wait for hours and hours sometimes almost an entire day

to see the doctor yeah and the driver would get a cut from each person that was you know the OxyContin Railroad I don't know if you've heard that phrase, but so they would, they would sit out there. It was insane. Like you would literally roll up to a pain management clinic and see all of these people out in the parking lot like camping. Yeah. Like literally camping.

Then they hired security. They had surveillance. It was, it was just, you know what I mean? It was nuts. It was a free for all. So you were, so you were getting the, you were buying the pills initially. And then you started going to what? Did you start going to the pain clinics or?

Well, what it was was I had a bunch of people that had all of these pills. And they saw on the news how much they went for. And they couldn't get rid of them. They couldn't sell them. Right. You know what I mean? Because these are just normal average people. They're not.

You're a 50 year old guy who has a slight back problem who happens to get a full script. Doesn't need them all. But he knows, hey, I can get this many every month. I don't need all those, but if they're worth money, I can make an extra 500 bucks a month. Oh, a lot more, yeah, thousands, you know what I mean? Yeah, they were getting 300 pills, and, you know, they'd give it to me for $7 a piece. I'd sell them for $15, you know, so I had multiple people that would give them to me because they trusted me.

I had a guy even from, he worked for FedEx, and he was intercepting packages. is. I'd meet him every Friday. He'd give me a crap ton of oxy cotton 80s. And he'd give them to me for only $10 a piece. And at the time, I could sell them for $45 on the street. So it was, I was making money hand over a fist. Like all these people, these old people and everything, they knew how expensive this stuff was, but they had no way of getting rid of them. And they also didn't want to get their hands dirty yeah you know things like that so how i mean how long did this go on uh all the way through my 20s and then then then that's what when the whole prescription fraud thing kicked it how'd that happen well a friend of mine have known since i was a little kid i mean you know we all grew up in

same neighborhood these are all people that you know i mean they they lived in million dollar half million dollar homes you know had the future like everything was it's so crazy i i just don't understand it because i was i was broke right when i was a kid you know what i mean and and these people they just i yeah they it's you were you grew up poor and they they were upper middle class and had plenty of money and everything in the world to look forward to and go to college and their parents are there and supportive and the whole thing and they end up getting hooked on drugs yeah i know that's half my neighborhood yeah so i took advantage of that of course it's what you do yeah so i took advantage of that made tons of money and you know spent it on coke i started

you know i started ivy using when i was 17 jesus i contracted hepatitis at the age of 17. I'm cured ever since August. I've been cured of hepatitis C. But I lived with that for quite some time. I have liver fibrosis because of it, actually. But so as that was going on,

I was getting all those pills fronted to me. And then, you know, I'd give them their money, you know, after I sold them, blah, blah, blah. then a friend of mine he was doing this thing where he was like,

hey, you know, I think I can make prescription pads from scratch. I'm like, well, all right, let's do it.

Let's get this ball rolling here, bud. Right. Because when I was a kid, my brother and I, we made fake IDs, I mean, DVDs.

I mean, we made fake McDonald's coupon money. Right. I mean, we did it all. Like anything we could any way we could get ahead we you know what I mean we jumped right on it yeah that was us we were always

trying to beat the system like we will when we bootlegged movies we even got a letter from warner brothers a cease and desist letter because they were like we're going to call the FBI if you don't stop serving this austin powers movie that's how long ago was right austin powers you know right and um so i i my friend that was was doing the uh uh prescription thing or into it i i talked him into doing it and then revamping it and making it more efficient so what we did is we had strippers uh drug addicts people like you know people like that yeah people that are willing to go in and hand them a fake fucking script and hang out well no no no no this is to get their identification oh okay so we'd get their identifications

because I'm not going to fill a prescription with my ID. Right, that's what I'm saying. You want to write them a script and have them go in, no? No. You're not using them as crash test dummies? That's not what we did. The way we did it, it was even better. I would go and fill the script.

And there were all women. All nine identities were women. Okay. So what I would do is I'd go in and say, hey, I'm filling a prescription with my girlfriend. you know it's for this whatever I'm paying cash doesn't have insurance and I memorized all of all nine identities all of them address date of birth because you're going to ask a date of birth and everything like that when to go to the pharmacy right and so that allowed us to do nine prescriptions at each pharmacy chain pharmacies or any other pharmacies so it was pretty

much unlimited. So that was before the, that was before the, what is it, the database. Database. Yes, yes, before the database, right before the database. So, so what we did is we started doing that again. And what we did was we found the font size. We stole a doctor's identity called a, I probably shouldn't say her name, right? Why? It was in the newspaper. It was in the newspaper Her article, right? Yeah. Her name was Dr. Alexis Henderson. Yeah, I'm sure she's fine.

Yeah, yeah. It was funny that you say that is she ended up becoming a addiction specialist shortly after and prescribing people buprenorphine and stuff to get them off of drugs. Nice. So maybe I. Yeah, maybe you hasten that? Yeah, maybe I changed different ways. so either way

well she wasn't writing the scripts no no no you guys just could you just had had a script from her and you you just no we made it from scratch right but did you did you counterfeit her ad yes we took her number her license gotta have a DEA number

prescribed narcotics so we had a DEA number and a license number then we got a doctor's pen you know like a $200 pen or whatever And then we figured out how to write, you know, per tablet by mouth per day, you know, blah, blah, blah, because there's like a certain language that they use. Yeah, last thing you want is the pharmacist to go, gee, I don't understand what this means and make a phone call. And that's where I stepped in. We always did it after 5 p.m. or right at 5 p.m. because I'm like, I just got off of work.

Right. I'm an electrician. I just got off of work. I'm feeling this from my girlfriend. Right. You know, and I'm a young guy. I have a, you know. Young face? Yeah, young face. I don't look threatening.

Right, right. You know what I mean? Or anything like that. I didn't have track marks or anything like that. So I'd go in and I'd fill each prescription with each identity. So one identity I'd use at CVS, one identity I'd use at Walgreens, and we'd keep track of which ones we use them at. Right. Because I could do not.

Nine at CVS, nine at Walgreens, nine at Target, nine at Walmart, nine at, you know, I mean, the list goes on. Right. So, we did that for quite some time. And I'd go fill a prescription of 300 oxycodone 30 milligram tablets.

There's a guy waiting in the parking lot to pay $10 a piece for. So it'd be $3,000, boom. Then I could go and do another one that same day, 3000 boom so i mean it was just it's good money yeah come on you know and unfortunately i blew it on cocaine and strippers and i mean things like that i hear you i hear you know i was like a rock star without a guitar you know what i mean it was just i was just having fun kicking ass you know but um so how did i mean so what happened i mean any well this is what happened i mean any well this is what happened.

Nothing happened. It all went right. I'm still doing it today. Wouldn't that mean I? I'm still doing it now. I just dropped off of my script. I just picked up a script just picked up a script just now. So, you know how people are when they get in trouble.

They get scared. Right. So somebody you were, what happened? You dropped one of your. Out of the four of us. What would you call? Would you call these? So you were working with four people.

Would you call them dealers or? No. The two women. we're just they shouldn't even been involved period and one of them is passed away are you about to say that the entire operation was taken down because you involved a woman no okay good because that's not because i i know no no no god no god no god no god no she was actually one of the women was actually really good at it and she was the one he used to fill him until i stepped in you have to understand how many stories i've heard it it always ends up with

So there was this chick And it all goes downhill from there Yeah Yeah Yeah So it wasn't that So It started getting hot

Like you know what I mean Police Like people are getting busted People get people you're selling This guy You sell this guy This guy got busted And this guy's getting busted

And this guy's getting busted You started getting Yeah yeah Yeah So what happened was My partner He couldn't wait Until I got off work

I was like, he couldn't wait. He just couldn't wait. I got off work at 3.30. We could fill the script of five, bud. No big deal. Right. But now he was too dope sick or he was just, he wasn't professional at all.

Right. So what he did is he sent in this innocent girl. She's, of course, and they're nervous as heck. You know what I mean? Looking totally obvious. And she got busted. Filling a narcotic. Yes.

Which they're already suspicious of when they're filling narcotics. Exactly. And you're in there. She's shaking. She doesn't know what she's doing. You know, it was horrible. So, because usually what our rule is, is you go in, you say, I'm going to wait. Like when you go and they're like, oh, we'll fill it when you want to come back.

I'm like, no, no, no, I'll sit and wait. And then you watch him. Yeah, if they go for the phone. Things like that. Exactly. Yeah. Very, very simple. And, uh, he didn't.

wait for me to go off work that day, my partner. And he made a dumb move, signed a girl into a CVS of all places, too. You know what I mean? They're pretty tight. So she got arrested. So I imagine she went in there and sung a four-disc album, you know what I mean? Like a fucking a cappella. Right. And of course she did, but she had no idea that I existed. Thank God this comes later in the story but what my partner did without telling me is he changed

the phone number because he went early before 5 o'clock because if you go and fill a prescription at 5 p.m., they can't call the doctor to verify it's pharmacist discretion. All of this all worked on pharmacist discretion so

he sent her in, she got all paranoid, blah, blah, blah, you know totally fucked it up and she gets arrested so then my buddy tells me he's like all right everything's cool

you know she got busted blah blah blah blah I'm like dude like I'm like what's going on here she's singing an like she has no idea about me so so I wasn't too worried but being a desperate drug addict

I was like all right well let's you know go do another one or two or whatever so we did a few and then all of a sudden we uh we did one at a target boot ranch target in east lake in palm harbor and it was weird because my partner said something about when he when he switched the numbers on it it went to his cell phone like like he was going to verify a script right like he's an idiot right of course can't do that He has no computer in front of him.

He can't, you know. So he does that. He gives it a shot. And he slips up and tells me that I talk to a detective, but we're already in the middle of something. I'm filling a prescription at this target. And he tells me this. I'm like, do what?

I'm like, what? And then our rule always, whenever we went anywhere, is you take one identification, one prescription filled out. And that's it. Right. Otherwise, you've got a slew of charges you're carrying. I mean, it could be 50 felonies you're carrying.

So apparently, I guess he was setting me up. And I went into the target. And I went, fill the script. They switched it out with Clarendon. All of the detectives were already there. Jesus. The crazy part is, is I went and dropped off the script, and I watched all the entrances.

I only waited exactly 10 minutes, only 10 minutes. So I'm like, okay, good, no comp's coming. Looks like it's going to work. So I go and fill the script. And on the way out, it turns out that there was a bunch of the Delta Narcotics Force from Pinellas County were in there dressed as shoppers with shopping carts the whole nine and I walk out

and then I open for some reason something just I don't know something just didn't feel right so I opened up the bottle I looked inside and I saw little blue pills Roxy's oxycodone 30 milligrams they're blue small pills They're called blueberries right

Yeah or yeah that depends Blues whatever yeah there's like a million names. So I closed the bottle. And I'm like, okay, looks okay. You know what I was going to like investigate him in the middle of the store, you know? So I start walking out and then all of a sudden there's a helicopter in the air. There's a bunch of unmarked cars everywhere. I get thrown, I get pistol whipped, thrown in the bed of my truck. And they're like, oh, look, look who else we got? We got this guy too. And he's talking about my. buddy and like it seemed so like uh what's the word i'm looking for rehearsed yeah like really it

really did and i know it was yeah and then not just that he broke our rule in my glove box he put in a bunch of other filled prescriptions and then a bunch of other identifications so he pretty much set me up yeah so i could take the fall right and So you're the ringleader. Yeah, that's what they, he made it seem like. He told them like, oh, he's the ringleader of the whole nine. So I went into the jail. I get to jail.

And my bond starts out at $120,000. I got a trafficking charge, attaining controlled substance by fraud. And I think that was it. But it was like $120,000 a bond. Right. Now, as the minutes went on, more and more charges kept going, more and more and more. And then I knew I wasn't getting out, so I didn't bother bonding out. You know what I mean? My family had no money.

You know what I mean? I just had my mother, and my father's dead, you know. And so while I'm in there, I kept getting called to a, to a, what do they call? it when you're in there oh my god visitation no no no it's when you go to court uh advisory court so i kept getting called back in more charges more charges more charges more charges i went in with three i ended up with 17 17 felonies six were first degree level eight felonies which is the same as rape okay so I'm looking at, like, life.

Like, I'm thinking, I'm like, I'm doing life. You're doing life if you go to trial and lose, and they stack the charges. You're doing life. Yeah. Yeah. So. If you plead guilty, you get a deal, maybe.

Yeah. Well, this is how it worked. When they came to me and they were like, here's five more charges because I had 12, and I thought that was it. And they came to me, they gave me five grand theft charges on the IDs that they had. that the son of a bitch put in my glove box.

And then it was funny though because the detective did such great detective work. I'm like, well, this girl's only 20 years old and you say her purse was stolen from the zone, which is a club in Tarpon. I'm like, she's not even old enough to be even inside of that club. Right.

So how could that even be possible? So they threw away the five Grand Theft charges. Thank God. so then now I'm just with 12 which is the 12 charges of war sorry it takes a second so many it was conspiracy two counts of conspiracy two counts of trafficking four counts of a ten controlled substance by fraud and then two counts of unauthorized possession of a driver's license or id so so i admitted to the three pharmacies that i filled a prescription i mean they had me they had me man right i mean it was it was that another cvs and then another

one was that like a walgreens and and you know what i mean the cameras on me the whole nine i mean my tattoos the whole night i'm like okay yeah and they had 13 eyewitnesses right So I took those charges. I took those, but luckily a lot of them got dropped off. And when I was formally charged, finally, it was two counts of attempted trafficking, four counts of obtaining controlled substance by fraud, and then two counts of unauthorized possession of a driver's license. Right.

But, like, it was, it was, I, It was weird. It was they let me slide because it was my first arrest. You know, I had a good job on an electrician. It was your first arrest. You'd been arrested half a dozen times as a juvenile. As a juvenile, but they don't count that. Okay.

Or when it comes to adult stuff, they don't care about the misdemeanor crap. Right. So they let me slide kind of. I'd get an interview with a guy named Chapman. and what he did was asked me my entire life story. What he was trying to do was they were trying to figure out if I was a drug addict or a drug dealer. Right.

So, of course, I, you know, be it. Yeah, lean into the drug addict, yeah. Yeah, I'd be asked as much as much as I possibly could, of course. I didn't tell them anything about. They asked me, they're like, so, did you give any pills to anybody? I'm like, no, because it's the same as selling them. Right. so they you know they kept trying to trap me and all that you know i stuck to my guns things went

all right and i ended up i ended up uh pleading out to because at first that that's all they were sticking on was the 15 years they're like we're running everything concurrent you're doing 15 years right so i got an interview with that like chapman guy like i was saying and he you know interviewed me He decided that, okay, you're just the drug addict, you know, you're a nice white boy from the suburbs, you know, which unfortunately is sad that's that has anything to do with my sentence. Right. But that's America. And I ended up getting five years, one year in, four years out, and six months. house arrest. Okay. And then a 10 o'clock curfew. I mean, the whole night, I do six months in this.

Ankle monitor? No, no ankle. It was community control, they call it. Whereas you have to call when you leave and come home. Oh, man. You have to write down everything you're going to do the whole nine. I mean, you can't even go to like, if you go shopping, I'm like, oh, what if I go to the mall? They're like, no, you can't do that. Like, you have to go to Walmart. Yeah, it's basically like, yeah, it's basically like the halfway house. Yeah, yeah. Same idea. Yeah. And that six months... But the halfway house is your apartment. Yeah. Yeah. And that six months I did in this rehab facility was pretty much, same thing, half-way house.

All right. So when they grabbed you, though, they was like a big article about, right, like that it was a whole ring and everything. And did they, did the papers stay on it or no? Or they was just the one art was just one? No, no. Luckily, it was just the one article. and everybody saw it you know everybody saw it my girlfriend at the time I told her I wasn't using right

and her manager came to her and said hey isn't this your boyfriend that just showed up right last week good times yeah times so that uh

how that work out that worked really bad yeah actually yeah that was really bad so Yeah, and the thing is, too, one of the girls that was involved prior to when we took over, she ended up passing away. She overdosed. On oxies? A methadone, actually.

She's actually a Pappas. I don't know if you ever heard the Pappas family in Tarp and Springs. Yeah, I know. She's actually a Pappas. I know. Kevin Pappas, he had written a book about he was a drug dealer. and he's in Atlanta now I knew Joe Pappas

Joe Pappas I think is what the older one of the restaurant They all have ponytails You can't tell it because they're all Greek Yeah they're all Greeks They got to have the ponytail So it's hard to tell which one's which But I remember I sold him

A bunch of weed A couple times in Coke So she passed away Okay so Oh and the and the other I'm sorry the other guy Tret Right

Ever since We got arrested He all of a sudden Got out early Right He just disappeared And I have Still to this day

Have not seen him Nobody else Like he changed his life And started living A clean life Or disappeared Like he's in a In a shallow grave

Somewhere disappeared I don't know But he's gone I have not seen them He doesn't have Facebook I mean by now I would have had to have

run into him his mother lives in the same area that you know i frequent like i'm amazed that i have not seen this guy so he is doing his best to make sure that he never sees me or anybody involved i guess period well okay that sounds good so uh anything you got out you got out you did you have you done all the, you did all the paper, obviously, this was 2000, what, 2007. Yeah, yeah, so 2008, I got released and then

I did, uh, I did all the paper. I violated I violated twice for a UA for OxyCoto. Oh, that's crazy. I'm so shocked. Yeah, right.

And so, uh, luckily I got a really good attorney, you know, because it's all about who you know. It really is. is. It's sad. It really is. It's a state system. It is. It's like, it depends on your skin color and who you know. And, and, and, and that's just the way it is. And it's fucking disgusting. But it's, but it's working for you. So, but it worked out great for me. Yes. Yes. White privilege. So, all right. So everything's, what are you doing now? Uh, right now, I'm, I'm an electrician by trade. But I got a deal high. So, uh, right now I'm working back at a body. shop. I used to paint cars. Right. I have a lot of trades under my belt. It's one thing my father taught me before he died was learn as many trades as you can, so he always got something to

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