Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - How I Got Out Of Prison Early

Episode Date: March 3, 2024

How I Got Out Of Prison Early

Wilson, when he went back to South Carolina, he got everything that showed that I had cooperated against him. So, you know, he was furious. He's furious. Two, three months after that, maybe six months after that, I'm standing there at count. And there was a new guy who had just gotten there that day. He goes, yo man, he said, you know a guy named Matt Cox? And I looked at him and I went, yeah, I know him. Wilson said to let you know he's at peace and he found Jesus. I said, okay, okay.

Which was, you know, weird. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am coming at you with part 10, I think, of my prison story. I want to go ahead and mention if you've been watching the whole thing and you've enjoyed it at all, you know, is possible, then think about joining my Patreon. And I know that's a, it's a shitty thing to do to throw that out there right at the very beginning. But I like to throw it out there and say, hey, this isn't like nobody, like, you know what else? There's a button now. There is a button down below the video, you know, where it says like.

If you slide that bar, if you slide the kind of the like bar sideways, there's a button that says thank you. And you can actually thank me. If you hit the thank button, it allows you to donate like $1.99 or $4.99 or $9.99 or $9.99. It gives you different options. And it's like a thank you button. So do me a favor and hit the thank you button if you enjoy the video. So I am going to now talk about, I'm going to explain how I got my second reduction of my sentence because I had originally been sentenced to 26 years and four months.

I got it reduced to 19 years and changed, like a few months, like 19 years, six months. Basically, I got like seven years off. I got seven years off my sentence. But I'm still back. I ended up back at Coleman. And I ended up back at Coleman. And, you know, I talked to Frank, who I just, in the last video, I just told his story how Frank ended up in prison. Frank Amadeo and I said Frank man listen you know I appreciate you you know I appreciate you

um you know helping me and everything but you know still got a lot of time so he was like yeah something will happen you know we'll happen it will I remember he said um he said the we're going to have to eat this elephant one spoonful at a time like we'll get you another reduction kind of like we'll keep working on it so okay so you know I'm kind of hanging out This is in 2000, so in early 2000, maybe, maybe late 2014, probably late 2014. I ended up, I'm walking around the compound in Coleman Low, Low Security Prison. I'm walking around the compound with a guy named Ron Wilson, Ronnie Wilson. You can look him up.

He was a Ponzi schemer. And he had run a Ponzi scheme for, I want to say, $57 million. I think it brought in $100 million, paid back out like $40-some-odd million. And he personally netted himself spent $57 million, like it lost $57 million. He just stole money. And if you don't know what a Ponzi scheme is, a Ponzi scheme is, is when new investors invest with someone. Like, let's say they give you $1,000,

and you tell them, I'm going to make you 50% on that $1,000 in one year, or in whatever time frame. So then as you show up six months later or a year later and you say, hey, I gave you $1,000, I now should have $1,000 or $1,500. I want my $1,500. Now, you didn't really invest that money. so how do you pay them the 1500 because you're continually telling people you give me your money and I will earn you money I'll do something with it and so when the old investors show up and want

their dividends or their royalties or their interest payment or their profits you've been taking in money from other new investors and you can use that new investor money to pay the old investors that's actually it's a great scheme and you can run it for a long period of time, but at some point, it obviously collapses. You know, it's a pyramid style, an upside down pyramid where eventually it's just there's so much weight, it just collapses on itself. Because you can't, you just can't take in enough money to continually pay it out. You know, so Bernie Madoff couldn't do it, Charles Ponzi couldn't do it, Sam Israel couldn't do it.

you know, there's so many Ponzi schemes are always running people and then they're illegal. So this guy, Ron Wilson ran a Ponzi scheme and Ron Wilson, his Ponzi scheme collapsed and there was a $57 million lost. So I'm walking around the compound with him, right? Like he's in my, my housing unit at Coleman. And I remember, it's funny because I remember meeting Ron. And I remember he was standing there. He'd gotten there that day.

He'd been given a cell. And we were all standing in front of the front door in the unit. There's about 180 guys in the unit. We're all standing there. And he's a white guy, older white guy. And some of the white guys come up to me and they go, Cox, Cox. And I go, yeah, what's up?

And they go, go talk to that guy. And they're looking at him. And I went, why? And they go, I want to know if he's a chomo. So they wanted to know if he was a sex offender, a child molester. And I remember looking at Ron and going, no. No, he's here for fraud. And they went, man, why you say that?

I said, no, he's here for fraud. I can tell. The way he held himself, I knew he was there for fraud. And it's funny because the guy was talking to it was just Kenny King. Kenny King goes, yeah, man, he said he ran a, shoot, like a scheme. Come kind of, I go, Ponzi scheme. He goes, a Ponzi scheme. Said he was running a Ponzi scheme.

And I said, oh, okay. So I go over and I talk to him. I said, hey, I hear you're here for fraud. He goes, yeah, he goes, I'm here for. and he tells me, I'm here for running a Ponzi scheme. And what Wilson's Ponzi scheme was this. Wilson had legitimately owned a, like a golden bullion, right? Like a golden, or precious metals and bullion dealership,

where basically it's a precious metals dealership or dealership. A precious metals company where you would come in and you could buy precious metals from him, right? Like you could buy, whatever, gold, silver, platinum, whatever, whatever you want to buy. He would sell it to you. So, and they charge like one and a half percent. So you buy $100,000. He makes $1,500, whatever.

But he also traded precious metals. So he would buy and sell it as it goes up and down. And he had done that for years successfully. He had made okay money at it. Well, one day he said he just, after doing it for like 10 years, he decided he had a bunch of stuff he wanted to do. And he thought, I could do everything I want to do right now if I just stopped buying the silver. Like, people come to me, they give me $200,000, and I buy silver with it, and we wait until it goes up and we sell it. If I just, these people never ask to see the silver.

Like most of the silver is kept in a depository, a precious metal depository. So he never gets the silver. It's just kept in like a bank. And so he thought, if these guys are giving me money, and I could just stop buying the silver. So he thought about that. that's what I'm going to do. And why he did this, I don't know. He was doing okay.

He said he wasn't making, you know, tons and tons of money, but he was doing okay. He lived in South Carolina. I don't know what doing okay in South Carolina means. Does that mean you're making $100,000 a year? Does that mean you're making $50 or $60? I don't know if it's making $400,000, $200,000 a year, whatever. So he's doing okay. He just suddenly stops.

He starts, keeps taking in money and he just stops buying the silver. So you give him $100,000, and he's, you give him $100,000, and he's, just spends it. If you want your $100,000 back, he just takes $100,000 from somebody else and gives it to you. Because there's no way that everybody asks for their money back at once. I mean, that's what he assumed. So eventually, Ron Wilson's entire, he did this for 15 years, by the way. 15 years. He took in over $100 million. I think it's like 108 or $109 million. I forget exactly and he basically so he's also paying out money so he brings in let's say 105 million he paid out like 50 or 40 546 million dollars he paid out to people that had given him money

and wanted their money back plus whatever they had made so they give he gives somebody gives them 500,000 and two years later they're like hey I'm supposed to have a million million dollars by now. I want my million dollars. He gives them a million dollars. But it's not, it's somebody else's money. So eventually what happened was Wilson had, Wilson did this for 15 years. He, the last few years, he, now he'd been married. He was married to a woman, Cassie or somebody. Um, I forget her name. His wife, uh, he had a big farm. He had solar panels on the farm he had a farm like a he had a a massive it was a working farm it was a real farm he had a he had a big store where they sold all the farm goods he had a what was called the heritage the heritage museum

so he had a museum that was set up um that had all kinds of you know um antiques in it it was a big huge a museum something like 20 or 30 thousand feet or square feet it was massive you know as museums are so what he did was ron would go out and he would give seminars about buying precious metals and he focused primarily on silver so he would go out and he would do these these seminars well what eventually he starts having an affair with this one woman and i could tell you that whole story like i i probably know a good portion of his story but i probably would be about 80 85 percent accurate like some of some of stuff i'm not sure but he ends up meeting this woman

and he starts seeing this woman and she's a financial planner so she's bringing him people eventually a woman contacts Wilson her father had given him like $100,000

she contacts him and says hey my father gave you $100,000 I want that $100,000 back and this has been weeks earlier and he was like well he gave me $100,000 like to invest in silver I'll give you the money back but I have to sell the silver

and he's like and on top of that I need your father to sign something saying he wants the money back like I can't even really talk to you about it and she's like my father's 70 some odd years old he doesn't know what he's doing and he's like well I talk to him he's pretty competent he's invested with me before I'm you know but he signs the form I'll get you your money back in 30 days or whatever.

So now, of course, he hasn't got the money. But she throws such a fit about wanting the money back immediately. She ends up calling, like, the police. And it just, it ends up somehow or another, she raises such a stink. It ends up starting some kind of an investigation. Like somehow or another. And Wilson was like, and I never really understood, like, the investigation gets going. And so they start to look in.

to like where is this silver right and Wilson puts up a little bit of a kind of a fight like he doesn't give in right away and so that makes them even more suspicious and as a result the Secret Service comes in and they start investigating and the whole thing starts to unravel his girlfriend is nervous his wife finds out that he's having an affair so Wilson comes in one day with his lawyer and goes to the Secret Service and he goes in there and he meets with him and he says look I've been running a Ponzi scheme and now they arrest him they let him out on bond right away he meets with them he goes and he digs up like I want to say he digs up like six million dollars in silver silver and cash and gives that money over to the

secret service he ends up getting sentenced to 19 and a half years comes to Coleman meets me. He and I are walking around the compound one day. I had just gotten back from getting my sentence reduced by seven years. So I'd just gotten back. Months earlier. He knows why. He knows that I got my sentence reduced.

He knows that I am more than willing to cooperate. I can't tell you how many times guys would come up to me and would say, hey, Cox, how much time you got? And I'd say, man, I got 26 years. I'd go, but I'd say, but somebody might fuck up and tell me where they buried a body, and I'll be leaving next week. And they'd go, damn, bro, it's like that. And I'd go, it's like that.

And I'd come here to make friends. I want out of here. So I would joke about it all the time. And Wilson would say, God, you don't seem to have a problem at all. You know, telling people that. And I was like, no, I don't. No, I didn't advertise. I didn't walk around telling everybody, but people knew, and I would joke about it.

Well, Wilson, after you got indicted, he cooperated against several financial planners that he knew. So he knew several financial planners that had raised money for him and were doing their own little kind of scheme. and so he was he was cooperating with the secret service or the u.s. attorney's office and the secret service to against these guys so we're walking around the compound and i remember wilson said to me he i was like wait have you heard anything about that how's that going he goes yeah i've heard they're doing this they're doing that they're going to they're going to ask me to come back and testify against these guys and i said okay that's good you trust me you want to testify like you become so important to them so that when

they go to with if the u.s. attorney then turns around and says hey your honor we want to reduce this guy's sentence because he helped us in a conviction of these two guys that's great your honor this inmate or this defendant told us about a crime and he he was interviewed we then arrested these guys and they pled guilty and went to prison that That's great. That's cooperation. What's even better is if those guys then go to trial because then when they get in front of the judge, they say, Your Honor, he cooperated. We got an indictment. We arrested the guys. The guys then went to trial and this defendant testified against them in open court. That puts you in a lot of danger. Not that you're not in danger for cooperating anyway because you are. But if I got. up in open court, and I testified against this person, and that person gets found guilty, that is an extreme amount of cooperation. That is definitely considered substantial assistance.

You really substantially assisted. Not that you don't always, you're not substantially assisting, but there's just no way around that. It's almost impossible for the U.S. attorney to try and kind of fuck you out of giving you a reduction. if you actually testified and someone was found guilty. Like, that's over the top. So Wilson's like, yeah, he's going to have to testify. And I was like, that's great. So time goes on.

We walk around every night or two, we would walk around the compound. Or we would go out to the rec yard and walk the track. We're walking the track one day. And I said, you know, I wonder how much, you know, how much time you'll get off. and he says I don't think they're going to give me any time off

and I was like what do you mean he goes yeah I don't think they're going to give me any time off because they really hate my guts

and even if I cooperate and they get a conviction they're going to try and find a way to fuck me out of it and I was like I don't see how that's possible

and he goes he said yeah well you know the problem I said they would need a specific reason he goes well they have a reason they think I've hidden

Ponzi scheme money they think I have money hidden that I didn't give him and I go I thought you gave him all the money you dug up a bunch of money literally when I say dug up I mean he took a shovel and dug like next to his house and dug a hole and dug

up money that he had hidden there in these big aluminum ammunition ammo comes in these big aluminum kind of like they look like a big sardine can type of things and these big he had actually had these

huge ammo cans that he had wrapped up money and gold and stuck in the cans and buried these aluminum things in the ground. I mean, really, so he really dug it up. So, I just, the image of that is just, it's so hilarious. So, and I said, well, you dug up the money, you gave him the money? And he goes, yeah, I know, but they don't think I gave them all of it. And I go, well, you did. And even if you didn't, I said, they would have to prove that.

They would have to find the money or prove that you. You still had the money. So don't worry about it. And he was like, yeah, listen, this went on and on. Months went by. So now we're into 2015, let's say. 2000, early 2015, Wilson says, as we're walking one day, is they're going to fuck me out of this.

And I looked at them and I went, what do you keep saying that, bro? I said, if they do, we'll get Frank to file 2255 and we'll make him force them to give you a sentence reduction. And he goes, not if they find money. And I went, yeah, but you don't have any money. I said, you keep saying this money thing. I said, do you have money?

Did you hide money? Are they going to find the money? And he looked at me and he goes, can I trust you? And I'm telling him right now, I looked at him and I go, probably not. And he just started laughing. He goes, ha, ha, ha. And he goes, I'm going to tell you something. He said, I did hide some money.

I put some money away. I gave some money to my wife and some money to my brother to hold for me in case I get out of here. Now, Wilson is 64, 65 years old. He's like 65, 66 years old at this point. He's got a 19 and a half year sentence. There's probably a pretty good chance he's going to die in prison, no matter of what, he's dying in prison. Not in great shape. Chunky, over what, or fat, he was tubby, whatever you want to call it. Um, and I was just like, well, I said, I thought they'd talk to your wife. He

was, they did. I said, and she denied that she had any money. He goes, right. I said, well, then what do you worried about, bro? He said, well, he said, there, and my lawyer said that they are, and my daughter said that they are re-interviewing people. They call, they ask questions. Eventually, they're going to get to my wife. And I said, well, what are you worried about? She's already denied it. And he said, what I'm worried about is this. She now knows that I was having an affair. She's divorcing me. He said, I'm afraid that she'll tell them about the money just to fuck me out of getting a sentence reduction and I thought that's pretty possible right but I was like she they she's already told them she doesn't have anything like she didn't turn in the money like she would be admitting

to a federal crime who would do that he goes oh she'd do it just to fuck me I said well then you're screwed anyway and he was like yeah I don't know so I remember I went back to bet to the at that night, and I was laying in bed, and I thought, is that enough to get a reduction? Like, what's this guy, this old Ponzi schemer? And by the way, listen, I'm, I'll tell you right now, like, this is a guy who stole from churches, pension funds, retirees. He stole from individuals. This is not a nice guy. Like, I'm not betraying a nice guy. But with that said, I'd also like to say, had he been a 19-year-old looking at a life sentence, I'd have cut his throat too. So I don't want you to think, oh, Matt's not a bad guy.

He's cooperating against a guy that cooperated, a bad guy that stole money. I don't give a shit about that. I went out of fucking prison. This is his problem. So I'm laying in bed and I thought, who, like, is that enough? And they didn't want to give me a sentence reduction the first time. right so they didn't want to give me a sentence reduction when i i genuinely deserved one they didn't want to they fought me tooth and nail but weren't for amadeo i wouldn't i wouldn't be here

right now so sat there and i went that's not enough it's not enough it's not even worth making a phone call like what am i what are they going to recover i thought for sure they won't they're not going to charge his wife and his brother they're not going to charge them and two he told me the amount of money he had stolen was like he gave it he said his wife Life had $150,000 in cash and some precious metal. And his brother had $30,000. He said, so it's not even a couple grand. And I remember thinking, that's not enough.

Like, that's not enough to convince the U.S. attorney or the judge that I deserve my sentence reduced because I helped uncover this hidden money. And I know for that amount of money, they're not going to charge. his ex-wife and his brother. So I'm thinking, it's not enough. It's not worth doing anything about. So I don't do anything. I don't say anything. Weeks go by.

Maybe a month. So let's say a month later, I happened to call my attorney. Because I had asked my attorney to order the transcripts from when I had gone up to Atlanta to get my sentence reduced. She'd never sent them.

she said she had to wait till they were transcribed right you can't get them right away so but i'd never gotten them so i called her up and said hey i never got my transcripts like i wanted to add some of the stuff that was said i wrote a book you know i wrote i have a book and i wanted to add that that me going back up to to atlanta and getting my sentence reduced i wanted to add some of the things that were said during that hearing right so it's only a couple of pages maybe two or three pages about me going back up there and what was said. But I want to pull from the transcripts, right? Directly. I want it because, you know, I don't remember verbatim what these people said. And if I have a copy of the transcripts, well, then you could get to do the whole quotes and

the whole thing. And it's just better. So I call her up and I ask her for the transcripts. And she says, look, man, I'll order them right now. And she said, I'll make a note and everything. And she says to me, so what's going on? And I go, what do you mean? And she said, anything going on in there. And what was so funny about this woman was she never wanted to talk to me. Like this is a public defender. She's not interested in having a conversation with me. So, you know, she, she didn't want to do much of anything, any, you know, when she was being paid. Now she's not even being paid. And she said, anything going on in there? I was like, um, no, nothing, nothing. And she was, okay, well, I'll get those started. She said, let me know if there's anything you want to talk about or

anything happening that you need me to look into? And I remember thinking, this is weird. Maybe she was just having a slow day, but I remember I stopped and I go, you know what? I said, something happened a few weeks ago. And she goes, what's that? I went, well, there's a guy here named Ron Wilson. And she goes, hold on, let me look him up. She looks them up. She goes, oh yeah, this is a bad guy. Why would happen? And I went, he told me that he's actually hidden Ponzi scheme money and she went really i said yeah and the the secret services the new bemo v i porter master card is your ticket to more more perks more points more flights more of all the things you want in a travel rewards card and then some get your ticket to more with the new bemo v i

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So she goes, oh, this is a bad guy, man. This guy ripped off a lot of people. I said, yeah, I know. and she went you know what she said you know where the money is I said I know who has the money and she goes

how much money we're talking about I said not a lot like like maybe like not even 200,000 and she goes let me make a phone call she says let me do you know the name of his

his secret service agent and I happen to name his secret service agent was it was Griffin I want to say I forget. The last name was definitely, it was Agent Griffin. I forget what his first name was.

Anyway, she tells me, yeah, you know what? She said, let me make a phone call. I said, okay, well, send me an email or something. She goes, okay, and I hang up the phone. So, I don't hear anything from her. Like a week later, and a CEO comes up to me and he goes, hey, Cox, and I go, what's up? He goes, you need to go, you need to go. to SIS. SIS is where you go, like, they're like special investigative services. They investigate the other, the BOP, the other police or the other correctional officers, and they investigate like drug, you know, things within the prison, but they're not COs. Like, they're like the FBI for inside of the BOP. And if you get called there, there's a reason. I actually got called there a lot because I was writing guys' stories. And so when I was write someone's

story, I would get, I would order the Freedom of Information Act and paperwork would get mailed in. But it's, so they're getting mail in that looks like legal work or people's arrest reports and there are other inmates. Well, I'm not allowed to have other inmates materials, especially not legal work. And so I've got somebody's FBI report coming in or somebody's arrest report coming in. So they would end up, sometimes they would intercept it and they would call me and tell me to come get my, I go there and they go, what are you doing? You're getting this guy, John Bozziak's fucking police report in. It's got a mugshot. Like, who is this? And I tell them, oh, this is, I'm writing a story. And I'd explain it to them. And because I'd been writing stories and I'd

gotten guys in magazines and I had a book published at this point, they would go, oh, okay. All right, well, cool. Here. And they'd give it to me. So I get told to go to SIS. So I kind of think it's for like, what is it? Well, maybe it's for mail? I didn't know. So I go there. I go to. I go to s i knock on the door the lieutenant the sys lieutenant comes in this big fat guy he was a dickhead he goes come here he's cox yeah come here and i go what's up he goes sit down so i sit down now i think fuck i'm in trouble like now i'm worried now i might end up in the shoe or the special uh special housing unit so it's the hole so i was like fuck what did i do and he goes sit down and i sit down and this guy's such a dick so he picks up the phone and he starts dial him number and he goes yeah yeah this is

this is lieutenant so and so yeah i got cocks right here hold on he goes here and he hands me the phone and i go what's going on he goes talk is talk i'm like jesus so i go yeah who's this and the guy goes hey this is uh agent griffin with the uh south carolina secret service he goes i understand that you know where ron wilson buried or um hid some money hit Ponzi scheme money and i went oh whoa like now i know what's happening and i went um um apparently my lawyer had called this guy and he was super excited and he immediately scheduled the time to get me separated from the other units in a place where he could talk to me. So I go, um, wait a second. I said, you know what, bro? I said, let me think about this. He was, what do you know? I said, no, no, I know. But the last time

I helped you guys out without anything in writing, I got fucked over. So I need you to write me a letter and I need to write me a letter that says that you will reduce my sentence. And I need you to write me a letter if I can help recover Ponzi scheme money. I said, and this isn't a lot of money, bro. Like, I'm not telling you,

this isn't millions. This isn't even half a million. Okay, this is maybe a couple hundred thousand. And he goes, well, a couple hundred thousand would help. He said,

so I will, I promise you, I will get a reduction. And I went, no, that's a problem, bro. You as an FBI agent cannot promise me anything.

But you don't, you don't have the ability to promise me anything. The only person that can promise this is a U.S. attorney. I need the U.S. attorney to know that I'm working with you and I'm helping you to get my sentence reduced. So I need that letter.

He goes, okay, all right, Cox, give me your email address. And I go, so I explain to him how the email system works, and he gives me his email address, and I have to get him approved, whatever. So then I leave. I go back to the unit, and I get him approved, and I send him an email. He sends me one back, and he says he's working on it, and it takes about a week or two. About two weeks, and I don't do dick. Like, I don't tell him nothing. So for two weeks, I wait.

And then suddenly I get this email that says, from the U.S. attorney that says if Cox, and it says that they've spoken with the U.S. attorney in Atlanta, and it says that if Cox, if Matthew Cox helps recover a significant amount of money or gives us information that helps us recover money or get an indictment, on individuals, we will consider that substantial assistance and reduce this sentence. Now, that's the best you're going to get. That's not a promise. It's we'll consider it, which means we'll think about it.

And that's the way they get out of it. I had this happen multiple times where I say, hey, I did this, I did this. Well, you said you'd consider substantial assistance, and they said we did consider it, and it's not. so I didn't I knew that was the but they're also not going to put it in a they're not going to promise me anything so I thought that's the best I got and I do have something in paper that says they know and that they did kind of make this agreement so in my opinion it's an agreement um so I then talked to the agent and I explained that Wilson told me his wife is holding money and his brother's holding money the agent

turns around and subpoenas multiple people. Okay? So he subpoenas multiple people, but the other thing that the agent does is he and another agent start emailing me on a regular basis, maybe two, three times. Sometimes it's three times a day. Sometimes it's once or twice a week.

But asking me to ask Wilson questions. Like, can you find out what Wilson knows about this person? And so when I walk the track with Wilson, I would try and bring up a subject that would relate back to what they had asked me. Now, sometimes they asked me these super blatant questions that were like, there's no fucking way I can ask this.

Like, what are you doing? I don't even know who this person is. There's no way for me to introduce this person into a conversation without sounding like I'm a fucking, I'm a fucking CI. I'm wired up. And it's so funny too,

because I'd ask them, multiple times. Why don't you just fucking send me a, uh, wire me up and have me talk to this guy. He openly talks about how he's working with all of these different people and this person helped and that person helped and where the money is and this and that. Why don't you, but they can't do that. They can't wire you up in prison. So, and listen, that's like that. If I done that, like, that's like you get stabbed. Like, I could have seriously gotten myself fucking hurt. Asking some vague questions that could be construed as being overly inquisitive is one thing. You're wearing a wire on another inmate will get you fucking hurt. Well, but I was willing to do it

because I thought maybe, you know, I could help myself here. So Wilson and I are walking around and I'd ask, I'd ask them basically some kinds of questions and we'd come back and then I'd send them an email and say, this is what he said. So that goes on for a few months. Well, eventually they interview his wife and his brother. You know what was so funny about that? There were times when I was like, no, no, this is what happened. This is what he told me happened.

They would come back and they'd say he's lying to you. I remember one time he had told me about this, the chick that he was having an affair with. And he was super in love with this chick. So he was telling me about when he had met her or this, and she found out about the Ponzi scheme and he had done this and he had done that and he met her here

and I was like what sparked that conversation that she figured it out like how did that happen and he was like well and then he told me how it happened that she wanted to invest money with me and then I eventually had to tell her that the Ponzi scheme wasn't true

I'm sorry that my investments aren't investments that there is no trading I'm not trading the silver I'm not even buying the silver. I'm just spending the money. It's a Ponzi scheme. So he at some point tells her this. And so when I, and I tell them when it was and where it was, and they come back and they go, that's not true. We know that's not true because you're saying that she got money from when they sold her mother's condo. And you're saying that her mother had a large amount of money also. And we know that's not true. Because there was no money. We

We would have seen the money. We would have seen the sale and we would have seen this. But I knew the time frame. So I went back and I explained, look, it was one of the last times he was, because Wilson was also a city council member, city council member. It was at this time. So it had to be on this day. And that was two days after.

Like I break it down on when it is. Like it's at the end of September. So in the last part of September, they, she got. money her mother got money from a workman's comp claim and they wanted to invest that money in um in the Ponzi scheme not knowing it was a Ponzi scheme and i know because they met at the mother's condo and a two weeks later they sold the condo and wanted to invest that money too and so she was talking to him about the money and the so i had the exact time frame within two weeks and so they go back and they check and they come back and they go wow we had no idea

like we found out when the condo was sold we found out when he had been that so it would have been in this time frame in addition to this time frame we also found that she her mother did get a large workman's comp like half a million dollars large workman's comp pay out you know like they were like wow you know your information is spot on so they asked me a bunch of stuff and I tried to help what I could but you know some of the stuff was just ridiculous like I was like you're gonna get me fucking killed asking me this shit so I can't ask that there's just no way so there's some stuff that's impossible well eventually they get to the point where they've milked me and I've milked him for as much information as possible and they call his they call Wilson's wife

in now Wilson's wife hates his guts she's in the middle of divorcing him. She's more disgusted by him, but for having an affair than having ripped off all of their friends and family and their church for 50, 60 million dollars. She's more upset because he's banging this fucking braw on the side than he's a fucking Ponzi schemer. So she comes in and she says, and they ask her a bunch of questions and she says, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have any money. And she leaves. Well, she went home that night And she thought about it

And she realized just how fucking much trouble she was in She got all The funds that she had together That he'd given her And she went back in And she gave them About $350 to $400,000 Way more than

He told me she had $150,000 In a combination of cash And precious metals She had like $300,000 in cash Plus gold bullion and all kinds of fucking shit. So she fucking throws down 350 to 400,000

and says, here, I didn't return this to you yesterday. I was scared. I didn't know what to say, but here's the money. I do have money. This is everything I have. That was it. The next day, a couple days later, his brother comes in with his lawyer, walks in to meet with the Secret Service, walks

in, sits down and says, before we get started, I'd like to give you something that my brother gave me and hands them $150,000 in cash. 30, 150,000 in cash. So it's over half a million dollars that they've recovered because because I spoke with them, because I happen to mention to my lawyer. So they re-indict Wilson. He gets put on a bus. And you have to think, I know he's been indicted. Like literally, I know he's been indicted days before he's been indicted. They tell me he's been indicted. He's going

to find out in the next couple days. You know, let us know what he says. And so, you know, he one day comes up and he goes, well, they, they indicted me. I'm like, what? He's like, they indicted me. I go, for what? My fucking wife turned in a bunch of money. My brother turned in a bunch of money. And I went, the money you gave him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So half a about half a million dollars on half a, I thought you said you gave her like a hundred thousand or a hundred What did you say you gave her? Like 100 grand? He goes, I think I told you 150,000 or something.

He said, I didn't know. I didn't think I could trust you. I didn't know what to say. I didn't want to tell you the exact amount. But yeah, yeah, she turned in all this money. And I was like, holy shit. And I go, he goes, what do you think is going to happen? I go, you're fucked, bro.

Like, you're fucked. And so I was like, Jesus. And he goes, I said, um, he goes, what do you think I should do? And I went, I think you should go to trial. I'm thinking if you go to trial I get to testify at the fucking trial like you gotta go to trial bro I said you need to go to trial

you need to go to trial I if I was I said you need to go to trial and say you don't know what your fucking wife took you don't know what your brother took like sounds like they were fucking stealing from you like I would go to trial I got to make these fuckers work for it there's a good chance you get off all together

I'm thinking And I'm thinking Huh? Huh? I say, what do you have to lose? Fuck these guys. He was big on fuck the government. He hated the government, right?

Like he hates him. He hates them because they caught him. And he's like, oh, these motherfucked bastards bastards. And I'm like, you gotta go to trial, bro. So, anyway, he gets on the bus

a couple days later. He goes back to South Carolina. He gets there. It turns out he just takes a plea. He pleases. guilty fucking pussy jerk off he should have gone to trial so he goes to or he he he pleads guilty he gets six more months can you believe that he pled guilty to lying to an FBI agent I think was lying an FBI agent and obstruction of justice his wife and his

his wife and his his wife and his brother end up getting they both get obstruction of justice his wife gets a year a year probation and she has to do like

50 hours community service his brother because he never lied to anybody he had never been asked he walked in and just gave him the money so they're like 50 hours community service No probation. Like he didn't have anything.

I don't think either one of these people even got a felony. Neither one of them did over a year of paper. So I think that it was like a slap on the wrist. Or maybe they got a felony. I don't know. Either way, they didn't do any jail time. Wilson got six months added on. He has 19 and a half years and he got six more months.

So it bumped it up to 20 years. So my first thought is, you know, wow. like that's that's not good like they gave this guy six more months they recovered half a million dollars but they only gave him six months like i don't think they're going to give me anything and sure enough a month goes by two months go by three months go by I mail a letter to the U.S. attorney. Hey, where's my sentence reduction? What's going on?

I send him copies of like, you know, the email or not copies of the email. I just sent him like I sent, I basically, because I didn't send him a, I know, no, I did. I sent him a copy of the email. Hey, you guys said this. I need my sentence. Reduce. What's going on? Just nothing.

Then I end up calling Secret Service agent and he tells me, look, I don't know what's happening. He says, I put in a request for you to have a reduction, but I can't file it. The U.S. attorney has to file it, and there's just nothing I can do. And I go, I want a copy of that request, can you send it to me? And he said, Matt, I'm sorry, I can't. Keep in mind, prior to this, when I had spoken with him, he promised me he was going to, one, get me a reduction. Two, he promised he would send me a copy of his request for a reduction.

now he said he can't he was told he wasn't allowed to release it to me so now i know and i said who said that he said i really would prefer not to say so now i know that the u.s attorney is trying to not reduce my sentence so i go to frank and i explain it to frank here's what's happening talk to frank about it and frank goes okay he says how many emails do you have i had like 110 emails back and forth back and forth over the course of six months eight months so I go through them and I show him to him and he's like okay yeah this is definitely cooperation and then I show him the one letter that where they promised or they agreed that they would do it and he goes oh wow so he files a 2255 on my behalf in

late 2015 the U.S. attorney responds to the court the judge gets it and the judge in my case says tells the U.S. attorney you need to respond to this. Like, this is what this guy's saying. Is this true? They come back and say, Your Honor, we don't know what he's talking about.

We don't know that we're not working with Mr. Cox. We don't know of any, we don't know of any agreement. So I then respond to that by sending a copy of the letter. The judge comes back and says, Wow. Like, you guys need to respond to this. So they respond and they say that they're looking into it. But regardless, Mr. Cox's time barred. It has been more than a year since his initial sentence. So he cannot file a motion. He cannot ask for a reduction. He cannot ask to remove his plea. He cannot. He cannot ask to remove his plea. cannot like he can't file any of this you need to dismiss this so the judge says listen it has been more than a year now i argue what's called equitable tolling i argue that every

time that they've asked me to do something it extends my year and that's a loose argument it's it's a very weak argument and in some in some some districts they they actually will allow this but not in the district the middle district of georgia or sorry the northern district of georgia which is where I was, is a notoriously closed-minded system, and they refuse to acknowledge that. So the judge says, look, I don't believe that I have the right to rule on this. So I'm going to allow you to appeal it. And there's something called a Certificate of Eligibility, or Certificate of Eligibility to Appeal. You have to basically prove that you have a case to win a certificate of eligibility in order to appeal his decision.

but the judge says I am waiving the certificate of eligibility also I have to pay $500 he says that I'm waiving the fee and I am asking and I am allowing Mr. Cox to to appeal this to the appellate court so that's basically telling the appellate court like in legal jargon like they have these little things that they do to kind of give messages to each other that's basically telling the that is basically telling the appellate court that if it's possible, he wants to rule on it. But he needs their permission. And so we file a motion. And as soon as we file a motion, the appeal, immediately the U.S. attorney comes in, my U.S. attorney comes in and he files a Rule 35, a request for a sentence

reduction. So he requests that I get my sentence reduced by one level, which would have been at that point, at the levels I was, as low as I was, would have been like 21 months. Because every time, every level that comes off, it's less. So if he had asked for two levels, one level would have been 21. The next one would have been probably 19 months. So 21 months off. Next one would be like 19 months off. Next one might be 17 months off.

Like they continue to get lower. So at the remaining levels that I had, that I was serving, that was like 21 months. So he says, hey, give him 21 months off. And I'm like, the fuck you. Like, what the hell? So I go to Frank and me, as soon as I get this letter in the mail, it's like a Monday. Or no. Yeah, no, no, it was like a Tuesday or a Wednesday.

It had been mailed out Monday and I got it Wednesday. So I get it. Go to Frank. Show it to him and Frank go, and I go, Frank, what if the judge rules on this? If the judge rules on this, you're fucked. But Frank didn't say fuck because he doesn't cuss. He says, oh, no, you're scrubs. You're screwed.

No, we can't let the judge rule on this. Like, well, he, they filed it. They filed it. He's going to sign it. And he said, no, I think your judge will wait. But regardless, we're going to get something in the motion into the mail right now. So he immediately types out a motion for me. And we get in the mail the next day.

So they get it by Friday. So it was in the mail that night. But I think it goes out the next day. So they got it by Friday or Monday. By Tuesday, what Frank has asked for is he says he wants to stay on the motion. He wants to be able, he's asking for me to get an evidentiary hearing so that I can present evidence to the court for the amount of cooperation that I've given,

which exceeds a one level reduction. Now, the judge rules on it immediately. The judge says, boom, I'm staying all proceedings, I'm ordering an evidentiary hearing, and I am requesting, and I am giving Mr. Cox an attorney. So they give me an attorney. the attorney flies down she comes in

she meets me at the attorney client conference room which is in the visitation area I go down there this takes place over the course of months so by the time she flies down she flies down I walk in I meet her her name is Leanne

I want to say her name's Leanne she comes down Leanne something I don't remember anyway she comes in and Leanne sits down and she says you know

we introduce each other and she says listen I've read your motion and it's well written everything but you don't have a prayer you don't have a chance of winning this you're going to lose this at the appellate level and I went

well if I don't have a prayer of winning then why did why are you here because she came to negotiate with me between me and the U.S. attorney to try and get more time off. U.S. attorney said one month, said one level, and we wanted more.

And so she says, I said, I mean, think about it. If they could crush me so easy, why are you here? Why don't they, why are they offering? Because they were now offering like two levels. And she goes, well, I mean, I said, why wouldn't they just say, fuck you, Cox, and let it go forward? and beat me at the pillet level. I said, you're here because they think I might win.

And she went, well, I don't think you have a chance of winning. I said, if that's the case, then why are you here? Why wouldn't they say, don't even fly down and see them? We're not going to give them nothing. She thought about that. And she said, I don't know. She said, what do you want to do? I said, well, Frank told me to tell you that I won't accept,

that we want to ask for five levels off. if I don't get five levels off but I'm going to continue with the appeal and she says five levels I said yeah ask for five levels I'm hope we're hope I said no I said four I said ask for four levels

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Atlanta. So I want everybody there. And I want to see all of my documents in my personal case and all the documents in Wilson's case. And she is, Matt, that's got to be 10, 20, 30,000 pages. I went, yeah, I know. She said, that'll take months. I said, it'll take months and thousands and thousands of dollars and manpower too. Thousands and dollars of manpower. She says, what do you want to do? She's, you want to, you subpoena all these pieces? She's, what do you want to do? Turn this into a circus? I go, that's exactly what I want to do. I want to make this as fucking painful as possible. And I said, I'm just trying to bluff them into giving me more time. And if they think that I'm going to have six federal agents show up, plus the U.S. attorney for the Southern District,

plus I want 30,000 documents, they're going to bend. And I said, and I said, that's what, and she said, that's what Frank said to do. She says, who's Frank? And I explained, Frank is a bipolar disbarred attorney that believes he's going to be emperor of the world and he's doing all my legal work. And she says, you have an incompetent attorney? I said, he's not incompetent. I said, he just thinks that God wants him to be emperor of the world. Doesn't seem to affect his legal work. And Frank is what got me here. And if Frank's so nut, and she says, that's insane. I go, if he's so insane, I said, what are you doing here? I said, she says, why would you hire this guy? I said, I didn't hire him. He did it for free. And I said, and I let them work on my legal work because all the sane attorneys that I contacted on the street told me I could never get a sentence reduction, that it was impossible to force the government to reduce your sentence. I said, and yet I've already done it once and I'm doing it again. And she went, wow, she said, that's crazy. I said, yeah, it's crazy. And she goes, okay, I'll go back to the government, but I don't think they're going to do that. I said, well, we'll see. She goes back. Months later, we go back and forth, back and forth. Months later, they come back and they say,

two level they'll give you two levels that's it I said send them the motion telling them draft the motion send it to them telling them all the things you want and tell them that you're going to file it with the court you have to file it just send it to them

draft it call them up and you don't even have to draft it call them up and ask them like hey by the way what's the name of the secret service agent here and there oh by the way since that time I ordered a Freedom of Information Act and I order the Freedom of Information Act and I got a copy of the paperwork

that the Secret Service agent had sent to the U.S. attorney requesting I get a sentence reduction. So we now can include that telling the judge the Secret Service thinks I need a reduction. And they said it was substantial. And like because the U.S. attorney had actually said in one of their motions that Cox didn't cooperate, he cooperated, but his cooperation

did not yield much of a result. So when I send them the thing with the Secret Service agency, it's like three or four pages talking about how much I cooperate, there was no investigation, they had nothing until I came on. I was their sole witness. I mean, it was just overwhelming. And they were covered half a million dollars and that he deserves the, I mean, so it's like they're saying, oh, the Secret Service said he barely helped at all.

Secret Service documents said, like, they're just catching them line left and right. um so we get that in they now know we have that she goes to them and says he wants to see the secret service agent these two agents these secret service agent this secret service agent this FBI agent he wants to subpoena the u.s attorney um i'm from the southern district of south carolina middle district so whatever south carolina and so the u.s attorney so the u.s attorney in Atlanta comes back and they say three levels we'll give them three levels so i call up Leanne. I said, hey, what's up? She goes, they said three levels. They'll give you three levels. And she goes, so I'm going to go ahead and put the motion in and schedule the

evidentiary hearing. And I went, no, no, no, no, no, I'll take the three levels. She says, what? Why? She said, you would only accept four levels. I said, no, no, Frank said to tell you I'd only accept four levels. We always, we never wanted more than three. Three's fine. And she goes, um, okay, all right then. So she tells you us turning three levels is fine. They put an emotion. I did not go back to court that time because I didn't want to because I can only hurt myself. At that point, they're saying three levels.

We're saying three levels. I know the judge is going to give me three levels. Like if I went back to court, I could only hurt myself. So what happens is they give me three levels off. That three levels basically was five years off my sentence. So I got one sentence reduction for seven years. I talked about that in another video. And I got another sentence for five,

another sentence reduction for five years. Now here's what's funny about that. Is that keep in mind that Wilson, when he went back to South Carolina, he got his discovery. In his discovery, he got a list of all of the emails that I'd sent.

He got everything that showed that I had cooperated against him. So, you know, he was furious. He's furious. Initially, he's upset, and he mailed a letter back to the prison to his old roommate. and it's all saying that you know basically what had happened and so I remember going to

then people start telling me about this letter that he this guy's walking around showing it to everybody so I end up going to his roommate and I tell his roommate if one more fucking person tells me about this letter that you've got and you're showing everybody

I said I'm going to go into the lieutenant's office and I'm going to tell them that I'm in danger that you're here. And I said, they're not going to ship me anywhere. They're going to ship you to FDI or FCI Baghdad. You're never going to fucking see your family again. Because this guy's family lived in the area. They'd actually move there to be near him.

And I said, don't. I said, if I have one more fucking person tell me about this letter. And he was like, and I said, now are you going to get rid of me? He goes, yeah. I said, anybody else going to come out? He goes, no. I said, okay. That was it.

Second thing that happened was I was wait about two, three months after that, maybe six months after that, I'm standing there at count. And there was a new guy who had just gotten there that day. And he actually happened to be in the cell across from me. So I'm waiting for count for the guards to come around and count everybody. I'm standing at my cell just standing there. And there's this black guy who stand there. Well, just stand there waiting for the guards to walk by.

And, you know, they haven't started counting yet. So there's a little bit of chatter, but not a lot. And so the black guy looks at me and he goes, hey, man. I said, yeah, what's up? He said, how long have you been here? I was like, oh, I don't know. I've been there like fucking. been like 10 years or something i don't know i said why what's up he said man now keep

mind this is a black guy and i'm a white guy and there's not a lot of white guys like most of white guys know each other there's only 1,800 people in this prison most of them are black and Hispanic so you know you want to find a white guy you ask and i would know another white guy so he looks at me and he was yo man he said uh uh uh you know a guy named name uh matt cox and i looked at him and i went yeah i know him and he goes okay He said, I need to talk to him. I said, about what? He said, I just need to talk to him.

And so I pull my ID out, and I hold it up to him. And I go, I'm Matt Cox. And he goes, oh, man, oh, shit. I said, what's up? He said, you know a guy? And he kind of looks around. You know a guy named Ronne Wilson? I said, yeah, I know Ronnie Wilson.

And he goes, he told me to give you a message. And I go, what's that? And he goes, he told me to let you know that he understands what happened he said to tell you that he hopes you get as much time off your sentence as you can

and he'd have done the same thing to you now keep in mind by this point I've already been had my sentence reduced and I was like oh okay because see he was in South Carolina with Ron Wilson

And I looked at him and I went Is this going to be an issue for you and I? He goes, nah, man, nah, it ain't going to be an issue. He said, listen, bro. He goes, I got three or four years. He goes, but I tell you right now, I'm going to be out of here in six months. He goes, you know what I'm saying? I know what you're saying.

He goes, all right, all right. And he goes, oh, yeah, one more thing. Wilson said. I go, what's that? He goes, Wilson said to let you know he's at peace. and he found Jesus. I said, okay, okay. Which was, you know, weird.

A little weird. I don't know if he found Jesus. I don't know what happened. I know what that was about, but apparently he wanted me to know that he found Jesus. Now, here's another interesting thing before I wrap this whole thing.

Ron Wilson is not in prison anymore. When COVID came, Ron Wilson was released. Ron Wilson had 20 years. He did about six years. Ron Wilson is at home and he lives with his daughter in South Carolina. He did six years. That's all he did on a 20 year sentence.

So he got out on COVID. He's at home. I thought about looking him up. I bet Ron Wilson. Ron Wilson would have no problem at all talking to me. Ron Wilson loved me. And Ron Wilson would have cut my throat. Without hesitation, that old man would have cut my head, clean off my body with a nail file to get out of prison.

So I'm not worried about it. I'd actually probably go have lunch with Long Wilson. I don't think he can have lunch because he's probably on an ankle monitor. But regardless, I like the old guy. So I ended up getting my sentence reduced. And at that point, I really had very little time left. I had like a year or two years left, and I thought I was going to get a halfway house. And at that point, the Bureau of Prison starts threatening to send me to a camp.

So I'm at the low, and now they want to send me to a camp. But I don't want to go to a camp because my mother comes to see me every two weeks. And I didn't, you know, my mom had had a stroke. And I thought if they moved me, the closest camp was Miami. If they sent me to Miami, I mean, that's like a four-hour drive. She can't go four hours. Like, that'd kill her. So I was concerned and I didn't want to be moved.

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