Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - How Inmates Earn Prison Nicknames!

Episode Date: January 15, 2024

How Inmates Earn Prison Nicknames!

And she goes, what's this? What's this? And he goes, that's me. And she goes, what's this? That's me. And she goes, what? And she jumped at last day's guys all. Hey, it's Matt Cox and Zach, and we're doing another podcast, only this podcast is on, was it, crazy names?

Yeah, some of the weird. yeah some of the weird names the nicknames that you get in prison you know like people don't want you to call them by their government name that way that way if you see him doing something wrong right you're not able to like they snitch him out by saying you know Matthew Bevin Cox I saw him going so stupid you know what's wrong with these guys I saw him spitting into the sink and not turning the water off whenever he was brushing his teeth you're not conserving water what was the name Matthew Bevin so yeah it's just social security numbers you know smart things smart things that inmates so did you have a prison name i pushed um uh chainsaw pushed chainsaw

it did not catch on when i went from the medium to the low and i realized it's important to have a good a good uh like nickname kind of prison name you know so i got there and i i pushed chainsaw and it's just i want you to think for a moment who had the nickname chainsaw when we were at coleman I don't know. I remember there was that dude, 21. You remember, I remember 21. You go, why did they call you 21? Because if 21 bodies on my case, you're going to be 22, you keep asking questions.

That's it. No problem, 22. Nice to meet you. Who was chainsaw at Coleman? That's the question Matt is asking himself. I don't know. Who is it? So I'll throw out a couple of hints.

White boy. Who was chainsaw at Coleman? Okay. So it's down to like 10 guys. So there was me, Reese, who were the other eight guys? One of them was chainsaw. Probably there for- math.

No, it's not there for math. That's another hint. Who was chainsaw at Coleman? When I get to hit number five, he's going to know immediately. I don't know. All right, so that's hit number two. Short. Sheldon.

What, is it Thomas? Thomas. Who's Thomas? There was old man Tom and there was Thomas. Oh, yes. Do you remember old man, Tom? I remember an old man, Tom. Tom had robbed, in the 70s or 80s, he had robbed several banks, went to prison, only

did a few years, got out. Robbed several more breaks. No, when he got older, he had to have a heart transplant. That's right. He had to have the, and he said, I know who will give me a transplant. A transplant. He said, I can't, I don't have insurance. I have nobody to watch me, nobody to take care of me.

How am I going to take care of myself after a heart transplant? He was like in his late 60s or something. He thought, and he goes, I know who will fix me. And he went into a bank and rub the bank. He just walked in, no disguise. That's like, you're like almost 70. Like, what are you doing?

Get everybody. And then I think he turned himself in or called himself in or something. They arrested him. He got like seven years. And it got his heart transplant. And got his heart transplant and lived happily after that. Yeah, he had a good time. Yes, he did.

It's like, hey, he knows what the insurance was. He was in the room with, it was old man Tom and Thomas. That's right. The little short guy, remember? Yes. He was the guy that went to prison. He was the guy that was, they were making math and selling math. He and his wife, and he and his wife had like the same lawyer, and both of them pled to 15 years.

And then his wife got sentenced a few hours before him, and she went in. And when she came out, his lawyer said she got six years, no, she got, I'm sorry, she got five years, 60 months. And he was like, oh my God, like we were supposed to, we were both on the same, we're both equally responsible. Right. We're both making the meth. We're both living in the same house. We're both selling like nobody ever said one of them was the ringleader. We both pled for 15 years.

Right. I'm going to get, oh my God, I'm going to get five years. That's great. He goes in. They said, do you have anything to say? No, I'm good. Everybody says nothing, nothing. Well, the judge says,

well, after you getting your wife involved in this whole scam, or this whole meth conspiracy, and you teaching her out of make meth and the abuse that she went, you put her, the mental abuse, and just apparently when his wife went in, she got up,

I met him, he was doing math, he got me hooked on meth, he totally got me into everything. It was all his fault. I never wanted to do it. I begged and pleaded for him not to do it. I had nothing to do with it. I happen to live in the,

I don't know why I'm even on the indictment, just completely cried and begged and pleading. The judge was like, I can't believe that man led you down this path and gave her five years. And then he got on and gave him 25 years, gave her the extra 10. He didn't give her.

So when he gets sentenced, the judge is like, he's like, do you have anything to say? No. Judge goes, okay, well, I'm going to give you 240 months. Oh, I'm sorry. Three hundred months.

And he's like, okay. And he gets 300 months. And he thinks, no big deal. Have I told you this story? He goes, he goes, okay, 300 months, okay. So he, and his lawyer, he said, I remember my lawyer looking at me going, you okay? And he goes, yeah, I'm fine. That's fine.

He says, I mean, I expected it. I expected the 300 months. And so he, they put the cuffs on him, the marshal does, walk him back to the Marshall holdover, go inside. He sits down. guys that you went from the marshal the from the prison to the marshal to the holdover

like guys are sitting there staring at you and they're going so what'd you get? Everybody walked in after sentencing like what'd you get? And he, you know, what'd you get? And he goes, uh, he goes 300 months. They're like 300 months. He's like, yeah, I expected 15 years. So, you know, I'm okay with it.

So, I mean, I know I was going to do 15. You know, and they're like, no, no, bro. 300 months. They go, that's not 15 years. that would be 180 months 300 months is 25 years he goes no no he goes

it's not 25 years he goes I signed for 15 months 15 years my wife and I did they go bro I don't know what you're thinking added up 300 months is 25 years and he goes he so I went holy Jesus jumps up

bangs on the hey don't you speak my lawyer freaked out who wouldn't I mean he realized then later when he talked to his mom His mom was like, oh, you know, your wife, you know. Cindy got in there and said that she'd never done drugs.

He has that fucking bitch was doing meth when I met her. We were at a fight. Like, he's like, and the whole thing she did was just complete bullshit. He was everything was bullshit. But they love to do that. That's their complete fallback though. Oh, the women are victims of us evil, evil men. And he was like, I should have like, he's like when the judge started saying,

I can't believe that you got your wife involved in all this. He was, I was kind of like, what's he talking? about like what is he what I'm looking at my lawyer my lawyer's like you're the lawyer's always like it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay yeah calm don't say anything don't say anything don't say anything don't say any don't make me work yes don't make any waves we're gonna let them bend you over gently what when they say it's okay it's okay they mean I'm almost done with this they're going to sentence you and I won't ever have to talk to you again you understand it's okay it's okay with this I'm this close to getting out of here getting out of

out of here and ignoring your phone calls for the next 25 years. So, anyway. Chainsaw and Coleman was probably about five foot, about your height. Five, six? Yeah. Okay. Do you remember him? Man, I don't know anybody five foot six.

The only person I even remember is Thomas. That's only because he was like five, two. I loved him. He was awesome. Yeah, he was. I like anybody shorter than me. So a white guy, not in for meth. um like five your height

wait that's the little gay guy the little the little pedophile guy i was gonna say lollipop so as i say lollipop yeah yes because one day yeah he had the lollipops walk around he was on the rec yard with no shirt on and some shorts a little tiny short tight ass like had a cameltoe shorts like sucking a lollipop and matt's like what the He walked up, me and Matt are out there, he walked up to us. And Matt's eyes are like this big, like, he's like chainsaw, what are you doing? This guy made me look like a tough guy.

He made me look like a tough guy. He goes, what are you doing? He goes, what do you mean? He goes, you're in federal prison and you're in short shorts, no shirts, sucking a fucking lollipop. Like, help! Like, what else says, rape me? Yeah, yeah. People keep buying me tennis shoes.

congratulations. They're like, hey, I'll send my boys to you. I got you. Now you remember chainsaw. So I pushed chainsaw, but it just didn't. I had a guy that actually told me. So you called yourself chainsaw? Oh, yeah. I told you. They were like, they're like, oh, yeah, well, I mean, my name is Cox. It's Matt Cox. But I'm thinking about pushing chainsaw. And I'm thinking chainsaw. Well, that has a whole different meaning. Yeah, yeah, now it does. Yeah. But guys are like, yeah, you're not a chainsaw. And I'm like, no, no, let's go with chainsaw. I think they're like, no. I'm, let's go with chainsawl. I think They're like, no. Now, I did have some guys that would scream, like they would see me because they thought it was turned into kind of like a joke.

Chainsaw, what's up? And I'd be like, what's going on, man? They'd like, yeah. It just never took off. It just was Cox. It ended up being Cox. I know. But Matt.

You don't think I'm a chainsaw? Bank of America does. Ask them. Dangerous. They think you're shredded. But Matt, how could you take that name with that? I mean, I thought it would be cool and, you know, kind of almost comical, funny, but it didn't take off. The original chain saw.

saw him. Well, it was obviously, clearly I wasn't thinking about the original when thinking about lollipop. That should have been his name. Yeah. Because I heard he saw. But, all right. All right. So, we're here to talk about some funny prison names. Of course, I asked some of the people that I still talk to in prison if they could hook me up with some pretty good ones. So I emailed them. They emailed back. My friend, her name is Shana Inlow. E-N-L-O-E Her nickname is sweets They call her sweet

Sweet and low Wow We just lost 20% of the subscribers You think so? No Come back, come back To get better Come back to get better

Well, no We get to go to the analytics And watch the dip Like what happened? Sweet and low That's what happened Is sweet and low a guy? No, it's a girl

Oh. Okay. All right. All right. Like, this is, it's, okay. Her name, her name, her name. Her name. Okay. Because she's telling me about some of the girls there. One, her last name is pool. They say they call her city. Her nickname is city, city pool, because everyone's had a dip. Oh, my God. Not another in the ratings. Oh, no. There's nobody left. Say whatever you want now. It's wide open, right? What it was in that front? Come on. one more um one girl's name was sack rider i don't sack writer

horrible it's horrible all right but but i didn't give me the reason for that and i guess i have to imagine myself all right but all right for me my favorite my favorite nickname was a very unattractive stink breath stupid guy that i met at just up. And we used to call him shitbird. Oh. He, like, missing teeth, breath could knock a buzzard off of a shit truck. Right. That's horrible.

Very stupid. Just look like a pile of crap in the form of a bird. We used to call him shitbird. I thought that was the funniest name that I had ever heard. What about you? No, I mean, there's, you know, you've got, listen, I've met, you know, 40 pookies. Yes. You know, there's a lot of pookies.

A lot of pookies. I met a guy named Bunny Hop Black guy named Bunny Hop and had like a bunny like a hopping bunny like tattooed on his neck and had Bunny Hop tattooed and I was like and one day I was just like Why Bunny Hop, bro?

He's like, man you know when you're a little kid you do the bunny hop I was like yeah he goes I was really good at it so my mom started calling me that and it just stuck I thought they've been calling you Bunny Hop since you were a little kid and you got it tattooed on your neck

Like, it was like... When I was seven. Yeah. What's up? Yeah, for my birthday. What's your point, Cox? What's your point, chainsaw? Let me think.

Let me think. Guys, it'll be... Well, how many countries did you? How many? What? People called country. Oh, every white redneck was called country. Or big country if they were the big fat white redneck.

Yeah. What... Or open country if they were gay and white. Corridor. I mean, gordoes. Oh, yes, much gordo. Yeah, lots of gordoes. Then I told you there was a one guy, there was a guy named, I knew a guy.

We was like almost like an albino. They called him, they called him a pinky because he was super pink. Like he would go in the sun one day and be pink. And then he wouldn't go in the sun for a day or two. Then he'd go in the next day, turn pink. And he literally couldn't go too many days. He just had like no pigment. No pigmentation.

And they called him, yeah, pink or pinky. Who else? What about, what? So how about something that are named after animals? Like moose? Oh, my man. How that moose? Any moose's?

Dog. Oh, I mean, yeah. Well, I told him we were laughing about the black man. Black man. The dude named Black man so, but he was black. Oh, yes. He was. Well, and there's a lot of blacks.

Do you remember black from Coleman? Yeah, yeah, a ton of blacks. Yeah, a ton of not African. Literally. African-American. And figuratively. African-Americans. But the nickname Black.

Black, yeah. A ton of blacks, literally and figuratively. And sometimes their last name would be Black. That's true. That's true. What else? Do you remember Black from Harmon's class with the bad breath? Gold teeth?

Everybody with gold teeth. If you got gold teeth, it's just ranted. Just disgusting. It's unbelievable. I don't know why people would put that in. Horrible. Horrible. What else?

What else? And then we, this is the all, the guy. We host this the same. This is like a routine. What? Weewee.

Wee. Yeah. Wee. And doo-wee. And doo-doo. We had a wee and a doo-doo. They were selling. They were selling.

Doodoo was the shit. Dudeo was the shit. Doodoo was the shit. Doodoo did, do-do did legal work at Medium, right? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Was he good or was he,

he was pretty shitty? he got like 30 years or something like that yes he did yeah yes he uh reese reese knew doodoo though yeah yeah he argued with dodo a lot yeah yeah i had a uh i don't know why i got do do do i don't know why i let dodo do my legal work neither do i reese what was he like who who should i get to do my legal work what's funny is that like reese is my cousin yes i don't know well i had a cousin in prison and I was yeah

and he was there for math like Reese was probably the main reason I used to hang around you guys all the time yeah Reese Reese had the hook up on everything everything no matter what you needed he knew yeah what do you need okay hold on

I will get it for you he'd walk off and come back and have it and get this and get that and do that I mean he could get anything he was still he had still had like and his his he still had like at one point they gave you prison hats like you could get a green like a green military issue hat

he had like four of them yes like they haven't been he had everything yeah they they weren't making the you didn't they didn't sell these hats or you get these house for like 20 years he's got four of them Reese was a professional prison prisoner absolutely like he could give a class

in being comfortable and like making actually advancing in prison that's what he said and how to come up in prison and he had the um He also, his locker was perfectly compartmentalized. It was amazing. I mean, he had every square inch filled up in his locker, like stacked from here to there.

And you'd say, Reese, do you have any such and such? I do. Hold on. He pulled this out and this out and this out. And he reached back and he pulled this. And he'd hold on. Okay, there. Knew where everything was.

It was amazing. And one little locker. And he had tons of food. Like, I don't even know, like, for him to put all that in there was probably hours of work. Milk cartons, boxes. He would take whatever you needed to make it. Yeah, it was phenomenal. Phenomenal.

And the guards wouldn't search him. It was strategic. They wouldn't search him because they're like, I'm not taking this shit out. Like, this is insane. Like, this is ridiculous. Pat. Right. He said the warden one time was going around doing cell inspections and was like literally like yanking stuff out,

pulling stuff out, walked into his cell, pulled all of his selling stuff out, was looking through it, opened up his and looked at it and looked at it and went, and looked at him. It's like an IKEA. His locker like an IKEA living room. Everything is like, what is the term for when the squares and the circles

are all in perfect spot? Symmetrical. Symmetrical. God, that was the word I was looking for. So she looks at him, looks at him and looks at the thing and looked at him and went and just closed it. It just kept looking.

Wait, wait, wait. Do you know what she said? She said, she goes, this is pretty impressive, like that. And he went. And then she goes, and closed it and then walked off. But I'm glad you mentioned Reese only because I got to tell this story. I've never had a chance to tell this story. And it's one of my favorite Reese stories. Let's hear it. And you will, it's perfect Reese. All right. Was I there for that? No, you weren't, because Reese told me the story later. I wasn't there either. Oh, okay. So this is funny. So, uh, Um, it's funny too, because we just watched the West Watson and the look like, you know, like guy, you know, the, you know, your ass, you know, is like a starfish, right? So they call him a starfish. Okay. Just like that's what it's good. It's all relates. Okay. Okay. No homo. So, okay. So here's what happened. So Reese is locked up, you know, he's locked up at one point with two other guys, you know. So they're all locked up. And. The lockers, when you open your locker, one side of the locker has, it's got an inlay of a piece of steel and it was sharp, right? You're what I'm talking about? Because one slows and he closed the other one and then it locks. Okay, so you can't pull them open. So it was about, it was count time. They were all getting down.

So you were talking about the bunk beds are three levels. So the guy at the very top, Reese had gotten out and opened up his locker and sat down. And the guy at the top bunk started climbing down. And as he's climbing down real fast To because it's they're they're counting You have to be stand up for count So stand up count so as a guy's climbing down He fucking climbed down the little the little

The little ladder And the fucking that sharp piece of steel Catches him right in the middle of fuck Right in the middle of the ass I mean he said literally he dangled there for a second Feet off because he was like And he said he literally he's like And he yanked himself up

And he's like he goes, man, he said blood, started bleeding immediately. And Reese was like, oh my God, he slammed the door. He's like, what's going on? The guy, he said, so the guy's dancing around,

guy's hand up on his ass. Right on his asshole going, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, I hear my fucking, my ass, my ass. And he's going, what the fuck? He's like, there's blood everywhere, bro. He said, we're all standing.

They're like, what the fuck? What the fuck? Oh my God. And he goes, he said, look, he said, wait, wait, he goes, he was, what are we going to do? He goes, so the one cell he's saying, bro we're all going to the shoe like you can't have that much blood like this guy's bleeding out of his

ass it don't look good right that's a that looks like there's a rape that happened or something right so he said he's screaming he's like did did you where did you cut yourself he's like I don't fucking know man I don't know he's like well where is it it on your ass is it next to your ass like can can we can we stitch it up he's like I don't know Reese and he goes he's like what are we gonna do he's like bro you got to um he goes let me He goes, because the guy can't see, he goes, bro, you're going to have to, you're going to have to drop your pants, drop your pants and bend over. Let me see. He goes, man, fuck you, man. He goes, bro, come on. I'm not playing around. This is funny. He says, let me see. Let me at least find out whether you got to go to medical or whether we could fix this. I got to, I got to be the gash is to see if it's going to stop bleeding. Right. He goes, the other cell. He's like, God, he's like, God, he's trying to mop up the blood and stuff. He's like, you know, they may probably will notice as they go by and look in your cell. And the guy's like, God, he's like, come on. Let me. He's like, he's like, come on. He's. He's like, he's like, he's like, come on. He's me look, I'm not fucking around. I'm not playing.

I swear to God, but he's like, I'm not playing, bro. Just let me see. Fuck. He said, the guy pulls his pants down,

bends over and spreads his cheek, and Reese looks down and Reese goes, ooh, that's the prettiest little starfish. The guy stood up, he was, fuck you, my mother.

And he goes, it's fine. You're fine. It's a little scratch. So listen, here's the funny thing. Reese goes around and guys are literally, so guys that don't know anything about this

are calling this guy Starfish. He started getting everybody to call him Starfish. So guys are walking by, without telling him the story. Oh, you know, guys are walking. What, him? Fuck you. What, mother.

Then they go back to Reese. The reason, what the thing? He's like, man, I just told like two or three people. What do you do? Like, literally everybody. And I saw him one time across the comment. I go, what's up, Starfish? He goes, I'll beat your ass.

And I was like, hey. Like some guys can get away with it, but not you, Cox. You're five foot nothing. So, yeah, good times. That's a pretty story. That's a pretty. Pucker, puck. All right, all right.

All right, so we're trying to get some more funny names. You remember sidewalk? No. Do you remember Mr. Freeze? The guy with narcolepsy that would stop? You were in the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, program with them. Remember you went to that special unit where you were, remember the guy that would, you said he would be, he would be sitting there in a chair

watching TV and all of a sudden just go, boom, boom, on the floor, we're like, what the, yes. He would walk across, you see him walking across the compound and all of a sudden he just stop and fall asleep, but he wouldn't fall. He wouldn't fall. He just stand there. When he stood up, he would fall asleep, but he wouldn't, and then like a minute or two would go by and then he and keep walking, narcolepsy. You remember how he got locked up? how he was in state prison and wrote the letter to he was like he was complaining oh no no that wasn't the guy that wrote the letter to the president to the vice president

did you remember he's president i thought it was the president he wanted to fuck the dog yes i'm gonna i'm gonna rape and i'm gonna kill your he said he said something like he's gonna kill the first lady and their and their kid this is the bush like but he was in state prison he wanted to go to federal prison right and he'm gonna rape the dog yes So he's like, hey, I know how to get out of here. I'll write a threatening letter to the president. And he wrote it because he was in state. He goes, I want to do my time in Fed.

And he'll have to run it concurrent. So the state of Florida has no air conditioning. So I mean, literally everything is soaked with sweat. Your mattresses, everything. It's hell. So what he did was his cell. He was complaining. His cellie said, you want to go to the feds.

The feds has AC. And he goes, man, I do want to go. They said, you can do your state time while in federal custody. He said, He'd have to get a federal crime. And he said, well, what's a federal crime? I can commit while I'm incarcerated. And he did.

Right. Wrote a letter to the president, threatening the president, the rapist dog, and to kill him, and mailed it off. And he said it didn't take three weeks before the fed's like, let's go, took him out of state prison and put him in federal prison where we thought he might have been happy. You know, when I was in the shoe, he came back to the shoe when I was back there. So I saw him like, hey, man, what are you doing here? he's like you go I swallowed two or three batteries like he was he was completely crazy

Now that wasn't Mr. Freeze No that wasn't that was Mr. Freeze No this guy swallowed a couple of batteries He was crazy I forgot I think his last thing was Spencer or something like that I swallowed two or three batteries I got another guy that I know you'll remember Who? Itchy

Yes I remember itchy Good time Itchy he had an issue with bathing. Many things. Yes. Bathing was definitely one of them.

Yes. He had a very bad temper. He was the only one that could get away with cursing out the warden. So he would curse out the warden and send him to the shoe and the psychiatrist would go get him and bring him back out of the shoe,

put him on the compound. He could walk on the grass. We couldn't. Like you'd get in big trouble. Like he would walk straight to go. Didn't never had to wait in line for pill line. No. Would walk straight.

And everybody, like if I, there's 40 guys waiting for pill line. and I go to the front of the line, like, I'll get my ass beat. You know, you, what's your... Pill line? Yes, medication is important. He walked straight to the front of the line and everybody, hey, hey, what's up, bitchy?

He was not a big guy, but he was just totally insane. He was completely crazy. What was his tagline? You know how Bart Simpson said... What was Bart Simpson's tagline? Oh, he did have one. Bart Simpson had a tagline. What was it?

Icaramba. Oh, yeah, Icaramba or something. He did have one. You don't remember what it was? I do. come to me. Why don't you tell me this pre-broadcast? Because I would have had it. I'm going to think of this on the way home. I'll tell you. I'll tell you what I know what it is. Oh, you do? Of course. I still want my dick sucked. Do you remember he said that all the time? That's right. He's the cards. This he said

to the guards. The guards would be like, hey, get off the grass. That's right. Get off the grass. And he'd walk. They go, come here. Come here. I don't want to see you on the grass again. I'm tired of calling you to And he sit there, and he said, and then they go, get out of here. And he'd go, he'd turn around and he'd go, I still want my dick sucked. And they go, itchy! Etch!

And he'd just walk off. Yes, he could say that to anybody. He could say anything to any guard. Insane. Insane. Coleman, man, Coleman Media. Good times. It's good times.

Always, always something going on. But there were like, we had, remember Bumblebee? Yes, I do remember Bumbleweed. He was a black guy, about my height, they're shorter, but muscular. Yes. Right? Yeah, nice guy. Yeah, he was.

I think he was in for, like, I think he was like one of the black guys selling meth back in 2007 and six. Oh, I'm entrepreneur. It's an entrepreneur. Remember doc? An innovator. Doc, who the old man, doc? The old man doc. Oh, my God.

That nose? He had the long. Yes. You know, I think he died in 2012 when I looked him up. Yeah, he was on his way out. Remember, his hands were turned blue? Yes. They just hired him in the library to sit in that little AV room and do nothing

and interview people all day. But Doc was the first, he sold, I seen his case, he sold pills to Jeb Bush's daughter. Right. Jenna. Jeff Bush was he got. Jenna Bush or something was her name? Yes. Well, he, do you remember, I remember, we saw his paperwork.

do you remember they it's horrible it's horrible to laugh about because I know but it the description is like the one the girls like laid out in like the woods like with like an oxicon

on her tongue on her tongue it was just like but you know they blame they blamed him stage a drug a drug what do you think

I think it might have been oxy I mean like the pill bottles here there's bills everywhere one's on her tongue it's like this is staged I don't even believe this it's that bad. Remember when they said during the, they sent the undercover in there and he just

touch his neck for a second. Oh yeah. They prescribe him like 60 oxies. Like you're in pain. Get out of it. Yeah. Total pill mill. And I think they got it more for the draining Medicaid, Medicare. Yeah, you know, that's what he got. He ended up like, it was like, did you, did they, they didn't get him for the death. They didn't get him for the death. They got him for Medicaid or Medicare, whatever one's federal, which someone in state, one's federal. They got them for that. And then whenever you asked him, so how much time do you get? I got a life sentence. Well, you got a life sentence. And then you would go, well, he got 30 years. He'd be like, 75 years old. I'm going to die in here. It's a life sentence. And it was like, well,

did you do, did you commit the Medicare front? And he told me everybody, everybody, the rest of us were criminals. He was not a criminal. Yeah. Yeah. He said, well, I don't know. My staff might have done something. I don't know what they were doing. Yeah. Your staff prescribed all the medications. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had night terrors. Remember? Yes.

You were selling. Wait a minute. How do I remember your stories? He was his celly for a while. Yes. And he was screaming. And I'm up, right? He's an old white guy.

He was an old white guy. He wasn't myself for a while. And he was in there screaming. In the middle of the night. Middle of the night. In the night. Ah! Ah!

So I jumped up. and I'm like trying to wake him up and I'm like wait a minute I'm a big black guy setting over this old white man screaming screaming I go they could probably think I'm doing something to him need to kind of stand over by the door to avoid any problems so yes he did have night terrors do you remember what they were about

I wish to say they were demons now I remember you told me one time his God I'm glad you have a good memory this because I I only I'm saying like I'm remembering it now like I just remember because I it stuck with me okay well I forgot it was he was screaming like you bitch you bitch and it was his wife was trying to shove him in what do you remember was it acid no like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like she was trying to do something he used to tell me that he told me when he woke up what he was dreaming

about like his I think I told you a couple of dreams he told me about and his wife was like the nicest sweetest well he was he was too man He was, he, he, he, he had a temper, but he would do anything for you. If you needed anything, want anything, he would do anything for you. He just, he, he was honorary. He, he's had his way all his life. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that was an adjustment for him.

That was an adjustment for him. Yeah. So to die, someone to go to die. That was, that was horrendous. Yeah. That was horrendous. All right. So we have a couple of names, Treetop.

I'm thinking he was tall. What about rooster? It's a cock. White out. White out? White out. Let me tell you that there was no whiteout at Coleman. This was at Jessup.

Oh, okay. The guy's name was white out. White out got a black eye. Wow. And he blacked out. That's how, like the guy hit him so hard, he said he blacked out. So we're like, white out, blacked out? yes so he was he was at i think he owed someone money

something we were at jessup and an old guy white out was one of those he was like you a little bit when he get mad he'd get loud or he'd get aggressive sometimes with people with absolutely no fight in him at all you're like hey hey listen dude you know what i'm saying yeah i'm not going to do anything but i'll get loud and you think he might i might snap yes yes that's how he acted like he very sarcastic you know at times like him yeah he was cool white out was cool very sarcastic at times

so at one point i guess he was talking to someone in unicorn that kind of he was kind of over his section and he's talking it was a white guy and the white guy punched him like punched him super hard in fact white out told me he was holding his coffee cup he had something in his hand and he dropped it and he was kind of like wait a minute like let me pick up my instead of like getting ready to fight he's kind of like, oh, I dropped my coffee. You get disoriented. You know, you're like, hold on a second. Let me grab my coffee.

So that's just kind of a story I remember about White. I guess it's not that funny. I don't know what it is. Why do they call him Whiteout? Because he was extremely pale. Oh, okay. That makes sense? Yeah.

Yeah, no. There's a guy named, yeah, go ahead. Pork chop. Didn't you know a pork chop? Oh, I knew a pork chop. I knew a pork chop. in the meat, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, uh, in the, uh, in the, uh, in the, uh, tell me about your pro.

Oh, he was, he was, he was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was overweight. He, he was, he was, like, uh, what gang was he in, he'd been in, in prisons this whole life, by the way. I remember his stepfather murdered his mother and like his brother or sister when he was like, 12. over 13 and he got stabbed several times he just didn't die wow so the father was dead or in prison for life or something was just gone and then so by the time this kid's like 14 15 years old he's in prison uh out of prison in prison you know like in and out of prison his whole life right uh had been in state had been and then this he got this federal prison sentence of like 20

something years and he uh yeah he had and he had sleep apnea so he had to wear the machine right and he wouldn't wear it he snored so loud and I would bang on the bed and go come on bro pork chop come on bro and he go and then he would put it on he would this is what it sound like in the middle of the night when he would fight with it it would be going it would be no wait how would it go yeah it was like and he would grab it and when he put it on his face it would be like And he would like... And then in the middle of the night, he'd take it off and you could hear him. Like, it was like a... He was wrestling with it all night. So it was either snoring or him, you know, and he looked like a, you know, he looked like a fighter pilot with it.

You have seen? Like they got straps and everything. Yeah, they're dangling off the side. And yeah, it was, yeah, he got to stay in the unit all that. Like he just, God, he just complained. And he, and he, but he was, he was. a nut job he was a complete nut job uh when i remember yeah listen he was he was he was nuts and he's like always had a knife and was always ready to fight and he was bipolar he was always

screaming and hollering but he was not he was he was actually nice to me but he would get crazy and and um ate all the time i mean just he just he was like a feral child like he had no he couldn't anything he bought was gone like if he got five bags of potato chips like they're all gone. Immediately. He'd eat them for the next straight for all night long. It's like, you just got back from chow. You know, just

Well, our pork chop, the pork chop I had at Jessup was a guy he was kind of overweight, but he was some kind of like gourmet prison chef.

Like, not only was the food. Not only was the food delicious but it was pretty. Like when he designed a bowl, like the rice would be in one corner, add attention. The beans would be perfectly set up with the meat in a certain area. And he'd tell you, look, don't eat it separate, blend it together, counterclockwise. Perfect flavor. Like, cheesecake that was unbelievable.

Like, he would buy an ice cream and let it melt. And that's what the liquid he'd use with the, um, with the coffee creamer to make cheesecakes that were, I'm talking, he made a marble, like a raspberry marble cheesecake that looked like something you'd get from the cheesecake factory. You'd see it, and he'd cut you a perfect slice with a little parsley or something on the top. Yeah. You're like pork chop, huh?

Yeah, they would make, like, they'd make crust out of cookies, so they make crust, and then they mix it with something they would bake it, like, or in the microwave, and it would be hard. Yes. Like it'd be real hard. Like crust. Yes. You know?

And then they would, yeah, they could, they would substitute all these, like, you're not like you're going to the store. You're buying all this stuff from commissary, but they would substitute, like, you're really eating cheesecake in prison, even iced and everything. It looks amazing. It would, it was really, it was creamer. Yes, it was creamer. It was creamer.

They take coffee creamer and milk or, or, or like he had ice cream or water and they'd mix it all together and then they would either make it hard and fluffy or they'd add in M&Ms or he used to slice snicker. He would take a snicker and freeze it with ice, put it on ice and then slice it and listen, unbelievable.

My mouth is watering right now. Unbelievable. What pork chop was a cook that you'd be like oh my God. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah. He was unbelievable. Light skin heavyset guy took pride and always told you how to eat it. Don't, no, no, no. Don't start it to back. They eat the little part

In the medium Do you remember the medium Because in the low they didn't do this In the medium They had I mean they have stingers in the low But stingers were everywhere in the medium And what they would do is

They would take the garbage Garbage cans Yes They take the garbage Super hard plastic Right And they would pour Fill it up with oil

And they put the stinger in there And they would deep fry They'd make wraps They call them wraps What do they call them out here? Like burritos They call them wraps there because so they would make like chicken burritos yes and they would deep fry them and they

would pull the mattress off the top bunk and there were guys that like took orders all week long and then friday night would come and they would have a hundred or 200 of all they'd have styrofoam containers people coming from the kitchen yeah they're coming from the units to pick it yes yeah they had restaurants yeah they had like a little restaurants like you know hey man can I get too they go did you put it in order well no I didn't put it on I'm probably we can't. I can't, bro. I'm short. I'm already short. Yeah. And you're like, what's going on, man? This is pretty like, give me one of those. I can't, bro. That's pookies. You know how pookies. That's pork. That's pork chops. Oh, no, no, I'm not. I'm not. Don't touch pork chops. You know, that kind of stuff.

It was, it was like, it's like being in a small city within a city. Yeah. And, and it's called knowing, like the fact that they know their environment enough to know who's working when that allows them to cook. You're like, oh, no, are you kidding me? Such or such is working. And I'm going to be to cook shit. Yeah. Yeah. Or are they. Tomorrow night. Yeah, tomorrow night. Yeah. Tomorrow night, it's wide open, baby.

You'd have some guards would come in and immediately like take your stuff and take the tattoo gun and take the ink and do this and write up. Other COs would walk in and watch. Yes. And be like, yeah. Spend the whole day out on the balcony smoking a cigarette. Like, who gives the fuck what's going on in there? Right. I've had.

I've come in the unit one time and it's not like a restaurant. Like they had multiple people. I'm like, what the hell it's going on in here? good stuff. It's wide open. I had, do you remember DeGeronimo? Yeah, I do for some reason. Yeah, yeah, he was a, he wasn't Indian, but he was member of the pretendians, the fake Indians. Yes, for the tobacco. Yeah, for the tobacco. Yeah, they, they, you, you say you're an Indian, and then you get to, basically, they have, like, inside the federal prisons, they have a little area where they get to pretend to be Indians, like once or twice a week, and they do little

rituals, but what they do it for is they get tobacco. So they get so much tobacco to smoke for the piece pipe. And so they pretend to be Indian. But he painted and I remember one of the COs wanted to get a tattoo and actually had some artwork and liked it and brought it to DeGeronimo. He goes, can you

make this better? Because he tattooed. DeGerona goes, he was give it to me. Let me take it. He was an awesome artist. He was an amazing artist. He redrew the whole tattoo and it was phenomenal. Then the guard came to me and it goes, do you think you can improve on this? And I looked at it and I went

no who drew this and he goes de geronimo i said bro i can't touch this this guy's amazing like i can't i can't even what am i going to change on this this is phenomenal it was handcuffs and a print like he did this whole for the ceo for the ceo the ceo then went outside and got another artist not he would have let de geronimo do it oh there was a uh this is coleman medium right there's a medium i think i know what ceo you're talking about yeah yeah who's kind of a little bit overweight. He was for a group what they called him. He was actually like he was Middle Eastern.

Everybody thought he was Puerto Rican, but he wasn't. He was actually Middle Eastern. He was cool as hell. Yeah, he was super cool. Oh man, yeah, yeah. You know, and DeGromo one time did a accent too. I think I remember. Coifish on his like this guy did a whole coiff. He did like a music. We're talking about a whole body. Like this is artwork with prison

prison junk that is that looks professional like you could. wouldn't get on the street. You know, it costs you $2,000 on the street. DeGeronimo would do it for like, okay, I need $50 in commissary,

you know. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. What's some other prison names? What are some... We've got a bunch of them. Well, I told you about pickle puffer.

Thinking he was gay, right, right? Well, not, I mean, not openly, but he never explained how he got that name. Yeah, I couldn't, no I'd have to change prisons You can't, no, no Chicken wing Chicken wing had the, is he

He was the guy that had like Yes, the little arm Yeah, the little deformity Yeah, that's how, that's, listen, You want to talk about about being concerned about people You know, out here it's all like Oh, don't say that you're hurt his feelings

You can't call him this, you got to call him this They call the dude named chicken wing they called him chicken wing. Yes. Horrible. Yeah. Horrible. We lean into their shortcomings there.

People like, they accept them. Were you there when the guy, they called them like, they call him like, they called him like, they called him like six nine or something. He was like six foot nine. Man, it's amazing all these names are, like we just lived in this environment and six nine. Oh yeah, I remember him. Do you remember when, what, when they patted him down when he was leaving the chow hall? Yes. And he was loaded?

No, he wasn't. This was, it, I think, he wigged out. No, I'm talking to the female CEO, they're all walking out. They're all being patted down, patted down, boom, boom, boom, boom. And she pats him down. And she goes to the inner thigh and she goes, what are you doing? And she goes, he goes, what? And she, she's grabbing his dick.

And she goes, what's this? What's this? And he goes, that's me. And she goes, what's this? This, that's me. And she goes, what? Oh! And she jumped at, like,

today's guys, all supposal. I wasn't there, but they went nuts laughing. And she goes, get out, go. All of you, just go, just go. He tugging on his Johnson. And he's like, that's me. That's me. He was six nine, was he not?

He was huge, yeah. And he was a big guy. He wasn't tall and skinny. He was a big, solid guy. Laid back calm demeanor. everything yeah six nine i i think i do remember and hung and hung apparently like what's this what's this i think she said i don't know if she said this like i don't know if she said this is like i don't know if she thought he was saying that's meat or something that's me he might have been

that's that's me this is meat let me see this meat i'm dying to show you when do you get out uh what was the other oh man who come on who else you think why do i have to remember all these names you know my memory's bad you're the one that's bringing up all the stories trying to think you know what's so funny and it's like in the low I saw like I see guys this is funny like I saw as much if not more there was more stuff in the low happening like fights and stuff than there really was in the medium if there was a fight it was serious like somebody got seriously hurt there wasn't a lot of fights at Coleman medium no but it was not in the low there were fights but like nobody ever like got seriously hurt but like there's there's guys getting cut with razors there's guys at the low there was a

guy called they called him uh there was two guys i'll tell you one guy was called porn star they they and the COs called him porn star which i thought was hilarious i think that that's the classic it's a good name when the COs call you by your that's your name you know what that is graduate you're elite that's respect that's right right so the COs are like porn star what's up with he was, well, what you, what, man, what you, I'm just buying my own business here. Porn Star had his neck fused, okay? Like, he was no porn star. It was not because he was formerly a porn star.

This guy was like five foot three, had his neck fused, walked around like this all the time. What, what? What? They were called him porn star because he had all the nudie mags. Good for him. So he, so you get like nudie magazines. And the guys will get like a real, maybe a real, you know, they got some, they got, they got, extremely explicit porn

porn mags and then they make copies of them they put tape over them so the guys you know or they'll take them in the shower take them in the shower and if they can get them wet

and if something happens yeah they can wipe it off so reusable recycle right so porn star he rented out the magazines like for like a book of stamps you got to keep the magazine

and it had maybe 50 or 60 pictures or whatever you got to keep it for like a week you romance or you know for you have like a nice little week you know what I'm a girl so some of them girls you fall in love with but go ahead and then um and then there was a guy they called his name was truck so truck rented um urban urban novels urban novels so one day truck rented an urban novel for whatever it was like it was literally it's like like for like three or, you know, six stamps or something. You get to keep it for a week.

You could read it in a week. So, like, a week went by, and he had a little ledger, and he comes to the guy's thing. He said, hey, man, it's supposed to return that book yesterday. And the guy was like, I know, man, I let my boy borrow it. He packed out or he lost it or he got, whatever, got to take. He's like, nah, man. He's like, that, that books, that's 15 bucks.

You owe me $15. he's like man that thing that thing's been around forever you got your use out of that thing man that thing's old you had that for you say we talk i got to replace it it's 15 bucks man they start arguing basically finally the guy the truck was little finally he he's like i go fuck fuck off you ain't gonna fucking do nothing fuck you and he's like truck goes all right walks back to his cell but gets a lock It's his, whatever, maybe his belt or a, you know, a sock, ties it up, ties it around his thing, puts it in his hand,

he's got himself a little bit of laying, walks in there, guys laying in bed, not even thinking anything of it, walks up. Whack, wah, wah, and I mean, that dude yanks him off the bed, beats, listen, blood everywhere inside this little cell. These cells are small, like, and there's blood on the wall. I mean, he, that, you could hear that dude screaming and a holland. That guy climbed. They were, they were, you know, they were like cubicles.

Right. So the wall doesn't go all the way at the top. It goes up about five feet. This guy literally, he couldn't get out because truck was in the way of the exit. So he jumps up and jumps over the wall. Blood everywhere. Truck was also about to go to. Camp.

He did go to a camp, by the way, to do it. Because I remember after the whole thing, like I hear the screaming and everything. You see the guy running off. I mean, he's got welts and cuts all over. you know, a lock will mess you up. You get these little, these little circular cuts all over your body. He takes off running. Anyway, I don't know.

I want to say that guy, because I remember the guy's whole eye was red. His whole, the entire eye was just bloodshot red, cut. Like, he hung out for a couple days. We saw him around, like in the unit, like trying to stay away from the CEOs. Eventually they grabbed him. And I kept thinking, well, they grabbed him. They're going to get, they're going to get, they're going to look at the cameras. They're going to, but half them cameras don't even work.

No. Or someone's going to. The two-legged cameras. Right. Or one of the inmates is going to tell on them. And look at the, it was not, at the medium, you could do something like that and not have it catch out with you. Literally at the low, it's catching up to you within hours that's that bad.

Wow. Never caught up with him. He actually, like two weeks later, he was put on a bus and he went to a camp. And the other guy got grabbed and put to the shoe. Never said anything. But I remember going to, like, a couple days later, I went up the truck and I go, bro what are you doing he's like what i go you're going to a camp they just put you in for a camp he's like man dude disrespected me man you heard how he i can't let him talk to me like that i said what do you

give a shit how he talked you're going to a camp he said i don't care i don't care you ain't nobody talking to me like that i was like all right you know like i like i'd keep the truck laid but keep the truck's a laid back guy but he's like i'm not going to take that and you know it's funny like when he packed out like he couldn't take half the books he had you're losing half the books you got anyway what are you doing they only you know when you pack out they only let you you can take 10 bucks you can take four socks you can take like you can only take so much stuff so he couldn't even take half he's got 100 books what are you going to do well he didn't have any consequences so he yeah

he didn't know he wouldn't have known the consequence of that so but these guys they get you know they they have that whole respect to that mentality yeah yeah but but like sometimes it can get out of hand. There are certain things that, come on, Matt, you got to do it in a TV room about,

hey, we're changing. That was, I was never going to do anything. I know, but there's certain limits that you're like, you've got to set some boundaries.

I was going up to the edge. Right to the line. I'm not going over. Hey, what about, do you remember the CEO? Hold on. Keep it real.

You ain't keep it in real. Keep it real. Do you remember? about it, yes. Do you remember a guy slammed him? I heard about that. Yeah. I heard about that.

Well, he, yeah. And both of them still stay. Like, keep it real. Like, he's been in multi, keep it real, been in multiple fights. I think he likes it. He was. Tiny little Puerto Rican guy, the Puerto Rican guard. He was cool.

Yeah, super cool. Because he would come around and catch you, he'd be like, hey, y'all need to fire your lookout, boy. If I'm able to come up here and see this, your lookout needs to be fired. Like, hey, he's right. You're fired. He was funny. He's short, and you didn't see shit, you know. He was funny.

He was. And that was his catchphrase was, you ain't keeping it real. Like, yeah, hey, hey, hey, man, you know, no, no, see what happy. No, no, keep it real now. You ain't keeping it real now. You ain't keeping it real. You know you ain't supposed to be out here. Keep it real, man.

Now, all the COs called him keep it real. Hey, who's working tomorrow? Keep it real. Yes. Listen, the, the COs were ridiculous. They would get into fist fights. They would get an argument. Oh.

Do you remember Fed and, do you remember Fed? You know Fed's son came to work? He worked at the low. Really? So there was a guy, there was a CEO named Fed. F, E, like FED, his name was Fed. Was it D-D? It might be D-D.

Yeah, F-E, yeah. I kind of remember, was he a white guy? No, black guy, tall, thin, super quiet, very nice. He got into a fight with another CO? Yeah, he got into a huge argument. They never got into a fight, but they literally were saying, like, both of them, like, let's, in the parking lot. Oh, there were multiple in the low. There was, we had a CO that came in, and like the first day, you know how when they changed the COs per every quarter, they rotate the series, he came in, he had just been assigned from the medium because, and he came, and so he, first day, when he comes, then, you know, someone will give a talk.

All right, everybody, I know you guys already heard about me. I'm fair and he gave a little talk he said And also If you've heard that I'm not at the medium anymore Because I was in a fist fight with another CEO in the in the in the in the parking lot That's true But he had it coming and I don't want to hear anybody say anything Any anything something you know disparaging about me

He said because I beat that motherfucker's ass And I'm here going this is this this is where I'm at The grown men, the CEOs are fighting each other. Yes. They're like half of them were addicted to oxies. Of course. They're all, they're all. Drugs.

Yes. The girl. The professionalism and it only, it's digressing more and more and more. It's just getting, because there's no time to train them. Yeah. Like I've been to the website and they're like, we're hiring, coming and get in a great career. Like they pay them excellent money overtime.

I learned, I learned, like, I respected them when I was at the medium because I thought they were maybe professionals. Right. But then I kind of, when I went to the pen, I realized, like, these people aren't professional at all. No. Listen, in the pen, they were hiring these black girls hood and ghetto as hell. Ghetto as hell. I remember one, I'm trying to remember what her name was. Because she was flying.

She goes, man, my paycheck was $1,000. Like, she's like, she's like, I've never made that much money in my life. there was a there was a lieutenant at the medium no lieutenant at the low that had been at the pen

and was under investigation at the pen and so they sent her to the medium so she was under investigation at the pen because she was sexually harassing a CEO underneath her wanting to sleep with him

and he kept saying like look I'm married I'm this on that I'm you know I just got married like I'm in love with with my wife and one night she got drunk and she got pulled over and the cops of course they don't you know they're like they're all they're all cousins you know so they're not gonna I'm not going to give you a DUI but you can't drive away call somebody she called a few people

but it's late she texts this guy at two o'clock in the morning and says look come get me I'm here I need you to come pick me up I'm drunk the cop's going to let me someone come pick me up but I need you to come pick me up. The guy texts back, I can't. It's 2 o'clock of the morning or 12.30 or 11.30 at night, whatever it was. Inappropriate for you to be texting me. Text him and he says, I can't. I'm with my wife.

She goes, I'll make it worth your while. I'll suck your dick. And she texts him. The wife finds it. She says, we're getting a divorce or you're going in and you're filing a complaint and you're showing them this tomorrow morning. he went into work boom she's been doing this for a while

I could show you text that she sent me here's this last night she sent me this so they scooped her up and stuck her and they under investigation put her in the low like they don't they don't lay you off they're not gonna investigate it right y'all separate for a while let's see what happens right well just make sure you two aren't at the same

I mean it's like you know ridiculous and you're still in the same complex but you're not going to be at the same institution where she can have influence over what you do right so she's not going to be able to call over there if you're a supervisor and say, hey, get that dude to hell. She was horrible.

She was a horrible, horrible. I mean, she walked around and just tormented guys. That's because of her rejection. Yeah, but I mean mean, just a mean person. Like just would walk over to you, you know, you're sitting there eating and she would walk over. I remember, ooh, reverse discrimination. She was a black chick.

I'm sitting there and they would give away pies, right? You remember if you get the pies and some guys were like, I don't want my, but there are pies piled up. Like, they don't want them. Right. So I had like three pies. So I sat there one day and I ate a pie. Now, there's a black guy sitting next to me.

He's got four or five pies, right? Also, he's finishing his pie, literally eating his pie, like finishing it. And I'm sitting there finishing. She walks up, she goes, you're done. And I went, ma'am? And she goes, you're done. Let's go. I went, I'm still eating.

And she goes, she goes, you got three pies there. This guy's got like five pies. And I'm like, I'm, and I look, and he's sitting there. they're eating. It's just like his second or third pie? You know, and he looks at her and she goes, you're done.

Let's go. Now, now. And I went, yes, ma'am. I stood up and went to grab the pie. She just leave them. Because, you know,

I'm ready to sneak them out. They would never check me. You know, they type of check all the black eyes. Two. Like, where's the reverse discrimination? But go ahead.

She let him stay. She did me. She hated me. She hated me. She hated me. What about not getting checked white boy? Listen, listen. Listen, this.

was an ice in this event usually it works for me right which i'm okay with so i get up and i have to leave she let that guy sit there yeah i went up to him later i said did you see that he's like yeah no he said sucks doesn't it good i say good yes these pies were good this was good pies were good so yes did you ever get the bigie cookie uh big big babies the big cookies the like one oh at coleman yes yes i remember those they came in boxes oh my god they stole a bunch of boxes oh are you kidding me the macadamian yes the red velvet yeah and with the white chocolate yes they said the red velvet one oh my god listen you have no idea like if you go you go months and months without having like a cookie

like a real good cookie or ice cream or something when you get it it's like a little taste of freedom yes i mean you can't imagine how you're like this is dudes are fighting over this. Guys were buying, guys are buying, they'd have 10 and 15 of them. They're buying them. Guys are stealing boxes out of the, out of the chowel. They had a, they could steal out of the chow hall too. Yes. Oh, at the low? Uh, sometime. The medium, they had it down. Oh, my God. It was, it was a profession. Yeah. In fact, when I worked in the kitchen a short time and they would tell them, hey, get your mules up here. You know, like, I want everything that's leaving here to leave here before they start the child. Yeah. So on Pill line, their mule

had to be up there. People like, hey, make, they tell the compound guys. Go tell them. It's all money. Yeah. It's like the compound guys were messengers. Go to E2, tell Tiddy.

They got to get him down here at three. Before they start child line, tell him to sneak out when they call a pill call and get on up here and get him a shit. He'll go, he'll go a couple of stamps. Thank you, dog. I got you. Do you have any more, the names?

No, I mean, they're all like honky. Come on. they called, that wasn't your nickname? Listen, it's so, it's so funny that, like, they, the, the, the names are just so, like, you would never call, like, fat man, you'd never, like on the street, hey, fat man, who would take, who would take that name? Right. But those people offered up those names, like, they go, hey, what is your name?

What do they call you? They call me fat man. You know, yeah, that's what, you know. And you say, hey, I was just about to do that. Yeah, I said, I came in, I said, you know, chainsaw, they went, no. No, chainsaw, I'm, no. That, see, for me, paper cut. Paper cut is better.

Everybody else, that's cool. For me, that is a horrible, that only brings to mine to Lollipot. Because at the time, you're like, chainsaw, you're like, come on, chainsaw. Yeah, I, listen, I got, I ended up getting, it was, it was just Cox. It's got, that's it was Cox. I was Zach. It never, yeah, it's, yeah, it's not your name. You don't have a good name.

That's the good, Zach is, that's because you say Zach, like, you don't. have a good name like I you know the problem is you have to have like you have to have they're like street guys that get those names right you know and like I just couldn't it it's fit it somehow it fit their personality they blend into it and and you learn to accept that's who they are and there's always there's always someone in the unit that knows them by their street name and their government name you ever been the mail call you know they'll go Thomas Wilburne. Hey, Paul Chob.

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to learn more. Conditions apply. We should go back. God. So horrible. Yeah, I can't think of, uh, God. Commissary and just so horrible. Just such a horrible existence

Well, yes, going to commissary sucked Yeah Having commissary didn't suck So you had to go through the grocery shopping doesn't suck No Going to commissary sucks Yeah Having commissary doesn't suck

Get up to the windows They don't have it Hey well you didn't give me my ice cream We don't got that ice cream No no no Okay you don't have it okay Well can I get chocolate Can I get chocolate?

You didn't put down chocolate No substitute Yes You had peanut pecans. I'm spending money. I'm spending. Who gives her ass? What's funny is you're staring at like the chocolate's right here.

Like you're like, I can see the chocolate right there. Give me the chocolate. Give me the guys that banging. You better get out of here right now. Because they're saving it for somebody. That guy touched the window. There was a chick, yell. There was a chick they called, they called her, what they call her Barbie doll?

No, they called her, oh, commissary Barbie. Commissary Barbie. They called her Carmissary Barbie, blonde Hick, banging multiple guards. She would yell and scream at these guys in the window, and she was yelling at this guy one time. Who was a doctor? And she's screaming and holler at him, and he goes, he puts his finger on the thing, goes, like that, and she goes, get out of here. He goes, he, he, he, shh, get.

There's a window. you can't touch her lips. But he acts like he's trying. Dicke up. Oh, my God. Good times. Why do you keep saying that? Moments.

Good moments. Not good times. Moments, good moments. Because we laughed a lot when we were there. Oh, man. Like all the time, we were, it was hilarious. And it was always something going on. There was a story.

Did you see what happened yesterday? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know when it became horrible? when it's although there are some good stories um when uh k2 hit the start hitting all the compounds so k2 is a a substance like i don't know if everybody knows what it is it's basically it's like what it's it's it they could it's a chemical compound and they could spray it on paper spray it on paper so they're just you just get your mail and it's like it's on the second lower the lower left

hand corner of the second page so some guy would call somebody's like yeah i'm sitting in some stuff. It's on the lower left thing. Oh, okay. And then they get it and they'd get it. And now I've got a little sheet and they would cut it up and roll it up and they'd smoke it. And it was horrible. Debilitating. Yeah. They couldn't even move. I heard it was like bug spray or... Yeah, yeah, that was the big

thing. Guys, who knows. Rat poison and all that stuff. And so you would... Very addictive. So I'd be, you'd be in the bathroom, right? And guys would be on the ground, like, acting like they're swimming. I mean, and you know, there's piss on the ground. This is, this is not like the bathrooms at the medium or the pen this is a wide open six toilets for 180 guys and some guys laying

some guys crawling through all the all the with a toilet star you're trying to swim you're like that fucks go and they're or they're or they think they were on fire yes that was an epidemic so bad they were rushing those people to the to the hospital yeah oh oh listen there were guys that that had like brain embolisms and and all kinds of problems funniest thing I ever saw well not funniest but this was pretty funny though one time there was a guy where you could tell like I was in the TV room and I could you could tell all of a sudden you could see all these people you get the sense for what's happening around you even though it was outside like all of a sudden the the movement outside I'm on the second floor the movement outside suddenly changed and I looked

and because everybody just kind of stopped and they're all looking so there's a guy running around on the grass um so which immediately gets your attention so he's running around on the grass and the guards are running around him like trying to corral him and so finally so now now we're all up looking in the out the we're holding on the bars looking out the window and he's like so you got these guards and the guards kind of start to close in around him and they get around him and they're closing in and he's screaming and screaming and he's doing this and he's doing this pulling his shirt off and all of a sudden oh he yanked his shirt off and And I'm thinking, like, the way they're approaching him, like, does he have a knife?

Like, what's going on? And he's screaming and hollering, and all of a sudden, he yanks his pants down. Now, keep on mind, he was on K2, and he had, you know, he thought he was on fire. So, but he, when he yanked his pants down, like the guards, like, jump back like this. Like, they were like, like, literally like there was an explosion of the guards all of a sudden went, and then all of a sudden they looked at each other. and they rushed him and grabbed him and threw him on the room. He cuffs him and dragged him off, screaming, he's on fire.

I mean, that's just like, we woke up in the middle of the night, like the other, you'd wake up. This happened once a week. Guys would wake up, and they would start screaming. Like, they would go in the bathroom at night. Like, you couldn't, like, to me, I would go to the bathroom just before. Like, as soon as count was over, go straight in the bathroom, use the bathroom and leave.

You didn't want to go in the bathroom later. You didn't want to wake up at one in the morning or 12.30 and go, go, take a piss because there's guys are getting blow jobs guys are having oh it's horrible keep mind there's tons of showers there's and the COs you got like one CO for two units so for wow 360 guys you've got yeah that's 380 per unit and it was a lot of homosexuals absolutely absolutely yeah and so you've got a bunch of you got one CEO who basically every three or four hours he walks around and counts right like he's So, and they would, so you had two, two units, two units upstairs, two

guards per, you know, they can't watch the whole thing. They sit in there, they play. So you got like three, and they have a lookout. Like, these guards can't possibly come in here and catch you doing nothing. Right. Anyway, so, so, what I was going to say is guys would go in the bathroom and they just smoke. And every once in a while they get a bad batch or have a, you know, you could smoke it. lots of guys smoked it plenty of times they're like i'm fine everything's fine it just like i'm just

getting high you know and then other guys would go in and smoke it and the next thing you know they're screaming at the top of their lungs or they fall down and they're just laying there on the floor twitching and trying to trying to move and guys are you did you would literally see guys holding two guys holding a guy's leg dragging him down the down the uh the hallway to his cell and then they'd pick him up and put him in his cell i mean in his bunk and cover him up and just hope that he was okay in the morning and he was it was horrible but some guys would get there

and they would start screaming they like they'd be in they'd smoke it go lay down in bed make it wake up fucking on fire and scream and hollering and so you're sitting there and they're all cubicles

so two cubes down this goes on for five minutes you're sitting there all you've got your hands covered guys are trying to tell eventually eventually the COs come one guy comes down he realizes okay nobody's there's not a fight he's just screaming then he they get the

next thing you know the lights are on there's 10 COs they pack him up they put them on a stretcher they take them away what's so funny is how many times that would happen and because other guys would see oh god they're going to do a shakedown to try and find it they would knowing i have the same batch of k2 that you have they would they would immediately go and smoke it. So now you've got 15 people screaming. It's like, what did you think was going to happen? What did you think was going to happen? They just

took away pookie. And now you've got doo-doo screaming. You've got white boy. You've got old country. You've got everybody screaming now. Yeah, I mean, it was just pure insanity. Up all night. It was, oh, God. And then in the morning, you've got to get up. It's not what you say, listen, I can't do it.

I got to, let me sleep in. We're all going to sleep in today. You know, we were all up late last night. They're like, funny. Lights are on. Get out of the unit. I'm just like, oh, God, you're out on the rec yard. It's, everybody's talking about it.

So what happened? Oh, my God. This is horrible. It's ridiculous. Good times. Good moments. Good moments. Only funny thing.

And I don't think this was K2. related but we had a streaker and the only reason I want to tell a story because it's hilarious because they well this guy wanted he wanted a mental transfer he's like I want to go to one of the hospitals so he asked them and like they were like no you're going to be fine here so then he took off his clothes and he'd run around the compound naked and they'd have to surround him and then the psychiatrist went and got him out of the shoe so on the third So, like, they wouldn't transfer. Like, he was in arguments every day about get me out of here.

No. So then he'd go back to the unit at lunchtime, take off his clothes, and run the compound. The important part is on the third time, right, because I guess some of the COs were fast. I can catch him. Let me do it. He decided to oil down. Nice. So he's oiling.

So he was in our unit, by the way. So he's in his room or where. he was oiling down and then he runs out he's like move move move like we're all you know we're waiting to go to child all standing by the door you're move move move move move move if you look back and he he's coming he's butt-naked and he runs out and the COs at the door that are there he runs out and runs on the compound of the ones that the oh I'm sorry the ones that the door is just standing there I go you're not going to chase him he goes I was a cop for 20 years I've already captured enough of naked people in my life.

I'm done. So he's running on the compound. He's oiled up. So now they're chasing him. So just like you said, they're surrounding him. They want to get him. So they grab him and he slips out.

And they're, you know what I'm saying? They're reacting to the oil. Yeah, they're grabbing him. So one of the, we had a little short CO that just ran him down. Like he's running this way and his short CEO kind of corners him

and tackles him. It's not really a tackle where he grabs him. It's like where he knocks him off his feet, right? And so when he hits the grass, right, they're trying to grab him and he's slipping out. Well, the short CO has gotten him by the penis. Oh, my God. And you don't even know that, right? Because until he flips over.

Now, I'm at the child hall, so we're watching this as they're trying to surround him. So you see him grabbing him and he's trying to slip away because he's slipping out of everybody's grip and he's got him by the penis and he flips over. over. That's when you see he has him by the penis, because he's doing like this, he's pushing back, and you see the guy, shh, shh, he immediately, he's like, what? But the other ones came and grabbed him up from the top of the body and when they got him. They're like, he's oiled up, he's greased up. That was one of the, because the first two were funny, but the second one was hilarious, you know, because he's dodging him. The fact that he could slip out of their

grip. I did not know that oil worked that well. Yeah, I'm sure. It works excellent. You grease up. That's why they do it in wrestling. It's an excellent deal. Sorry, I was thinking about... Good moments. Nice, good times. I was thinking about Palmer. Do you remember Palmer? White Palmer?

That was my man. I wish I could have kept up with him. He had been in prison multiple times for bank robbery. Yes. This is a guy who told me, this is an educated... This is what bothers me. You're an educated white guy. How can you not make a living?

Like he literally, remember why he went, he was a little off. But he was smart. Very. Right. So he literally, here's what he, he robbed a bank, he would rob a bank with a note. They would give him three or four years. He'd go to prison. He'd get out, try and make a living, couldn't do it, go into a bank with a note.

He'd get out. They'd give him five or six years. he'd get out again, try and make a living. And he told me, and I was like, why do you keep going back to prison? And he goes, I just can't make a living. Like, I can't support myself. It was like, how is that possible? He's like, I just can't.

I mean, I've tried. I can't live on minimum wage. I just can't do it. And he's like, but I know, so what do I do? I go and I rob a bank. And it was like, turned himself in one time. Remember one time with the girls? This time, the time when he was in prison, he turned himself in.

Yes, yes, the last time. And he was upset about that conviction because his prior convictions had been five years. They gave him 15 years for that last year. Oh, are you serious? Yeah, because before he was, he teetered on the edge of bank robbery and larceny. See, there's a very, like I used to talk to him about his case. I always thought it was interesting. There was a very interesting argument.

He said, I never robbed the bank. I committed larceny. He said, I used the bank's rules to. obtain money. He goes, robbing the bank would be taking the money from the bank. Larceny is actually procuring the money through the bank's rules. He showed me that in legal terms and he's right. You know, the law requires banks, the FDIC requires that they do not put up any fight if people go in that bank and ask for money. Right. So when he wrote that note and he gives it to them, right? As long as he's not threatening, he's non-threatening, there are,

rules require them to give him the money. Right. Okay. Right. So he teetered the line of what's threatening and what's not threatening. So the prosecutor, of course, told to tell her to say that she felt her life was in danger. Okay. So now it's threatening. And so now it's a robbery and he got 15 years. Whereas the other three times, he only got larceny because the teller didn't feel threatened because he was very courteous.

He even records, he records himself when he goes up to her. You know what I'm saying? So he could tell them, I never threatened her. right I never even used a harsh yes I remember studying his case I thought it was very interesting when he showed me that I'm like that's an interesting concept that you're fighting I thought

maybe I remembered it wrong I was like no he gave him or no but you're right it wasn't threatening yeah he was very he was adamant that he was non-threatening that's why he was but yes he couldn't make it and he had this mental block where he's like okay I need to go away for three or four years and come back he was in a mental hospital at one point

yes he was didn't he even escape one time he put on a bunch of clothes and climbed up over the fence not in i don't i don't know i don't remember him telling me about escaping i know he did extra time because he started uh he was fighting guards but he he had some mental blocks he didn't seem like a fighter to me he wasn't a fighter he was just he was a puncher you know they say something he didn't like he'd punch him maybe not hard i don't know but he you know he got a couple of charges so um yeah all right we're what are we doing Are we wrapping it up? We're wrapping it up, yes, yes.

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