Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - How Inmates Earn Prison Nicknames! | Inside True Crime Podcast

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

How Inmates Earn Prison Nicknames! | Inside True Crime Podcast

And she goes, what's this? What's this? And he goes, that's me. And she goes, what's this? That's me. And she goes, what? And she jumped at last day's guys all. Hey, it's Matt Cox and Zach, and we're doing another podcast, only this podcast is on, was it, crazy names?

Yeah, some of the weird. Yeah, some of the weird names, the nicknames that you get in prison. You know, like, people don't want you to call them by their government name. That way, that way, if you see him doing something wrong, you're not able to, like, they snitch him out by saying, you know, Matthew, Bevin, Cox, I saw him going in. So stupid, you know, what's wrong with these guys? I saw him spitting into the sink and not turning the water off whenever he was brushing his teeth. You're not conserving water.

What was the name? Matthew Bevin. So, yeah, it's just the social security numbers. smart things smart things that inmates so did nick so did you have a prison name i pushed um uh chainsaw pushed chainsaw it did not catch on when i went from the medium to the low and i realized it's important to have a good a good uh like nickname kind of prison name you know so i got there and i i pushed chainsaw and hold up i want you to think for a moment who had the nickname chainsaw when we were at coleman I don't know.

I remember there was that dude, 21. You remember, I remember 21. You go, why did they call you 21? Because if 21 bodies on my case, you're going to be 22, you keep asking questions. That's it. No problem, 22. Nice to meet you. Who was chainsaw at Coleman?

That's the question Matt is asking himself. I don't know. Who is it? So I'll throw out a couple of hints. White boy. Who was chainsaw at Coleman? Okay. So it's down to like 10 guys. So there was me, Reese, who were the other eight guys?

One of them was chainsaw. Probably there for-and-one. One of them was chainsaw. Probably there for math. No, it's not there for math. That's another hint. Who was chainsaw at Coleman? When I get to hit number five, he's going to know immediately. I don't know. All right, so that's hit number two.

Short. Sheldon. What, is it Thomas? Thomas. Who's Thomas? There was old man, Tom. Oh, yes. Do you remember old man, Tom? I remember old man, Tom.

Tom had robbed, in the 70s or 80s, he had robbed several banks, went to prison, only did a few years, got out. Robbed several more breaks. Well, no, when he got older, he had to have a heart transplant. That's right. He had to have the, and he said, I know who will give me a transplant. A transplant. He said, I can't, I don't have insurance.

I have nobody to watch me, nobody to take care of me. How am I going to take care of myself after a heart transplant? He was like in his late 60s or something. He thought, and he goes, I don't. I know who will fix me. And he went into a bank and rub the bank. He just walked in, no disguise. That's like, you're like almost 70.

Like, what are you doing? Get everybody. And then I think he turned himself in or called himself in or something. They arrested him. He got like seven years. And it got his heart transplant. And got his heart transplant. And lived happily after that.

Yeah, he had a good time. Yes, he did. It's like, hey, he knows what he insurance was. He was in the room with, it was old man Tom and Thomas. That's right. The little short guy, remember? Yes. He was the guy that went to prison.

He was the guy that was, they were making math and selling math. He and his wife, and he and his wife had like the same lawyer, and both of them pled to 15 years. And then his wife got sentenced a few hours before him, and she went in. And when she came out, his lawyer said she got six years. No, she got, I'm sorry, she got five years, 60 months. And he was like, oh, my God, like, we were supposed to, we were both on the same. We're both equally responsible. Right.

We're both making the meth. We're both living in the same house. We're both selling like nobody ever said one of them was the ringleader. We both pled for 15 years. Right. I'm going to get, oh my God, I'm going to get five years. That's great. He goes in.

They said, do you have anything to say? No, I'm good. Everybody says nothing, nothing. Well, the judge says, well, after you getting your wife involved in this whole scam, or this whole meth conspiracy, and you teaching her out of make meth and the abuse that she went,

you put her, the mental abuse, and just apparently when his wife went in, she got up, I met him, he was doing math, he got me hooked on meth, he totally got me into everything. It was all his fault.

I never wanted to do it. I begged and pleaded for him not to do it. I had nothing to do with it. I happen to live in the, I don't know why I'm even on the indictment, just completely cried and begged and pleading. The judge was like, I can't believe that man led you down this path

and gave her five years. And then he got on and gave him 25 years, gave her the extra 10. He didn't give her. So when he gets sentenced, the judge is like, he's like, do you have anything to say? No.

Judge goes, okay, well, I'm going to give you 240 months. Oh, I'm sorry. Three hundred. I'm going to give you 300 months and he's like, okay. And he gets 300 months and he thinks, no big deal. Have I told you this story? He goes, he goes, okay, 300 months, okay.

So he and his lawyer, he said, I remember my lawyer looking at me going, you okay? And he goes, yeah, I'm fine. That's fine. He says, I mean, I expected it. I expected the 300 months. And so they put the cuffs on him, the Marshall does, walk him back to the Marshall holdover, go inside.

He sits down. guys that you went from the marshal from the prison to the marshal to the holdover like guys are sitting there staring at you and they're going so what'd you get everybody walked in after sentencing like what'd you get and he you know what'd you get and he goes uh he goes 300 months

they're like 300 months he's like yeah I expected 15 years so you know I'm okay with it so I mean I know I was going to do 15 you know and they're like no no bro 300 months they go that's not 15 years that would be 180 months 300 months is 25 years he goes no

no he goes it's not 25 years he goes I signed for 15 months 15 years my wife and I did they go bro I don't know what you're thinking added up 300 months is 25 years and he goes he so I went

holy Jesus jumps up bangs on the hey don't you speak my lawyer freaked out who wouldn't I mean he realized then later when he talked to his mom His mom was like, oh, you know, your wife, you know.

Cindy got in there and said that she'd never done drugs. He has that fucking bitch was doing meth when I met her. We were at a fight. Like, he's like, and the whole thing she did was just complete bullshit. He was everything was bullshit. But they love to do that. That's their complete fallback though. Oh, the women are victims of us evil, evil men.

And he was like, I should have like, he's like when the judge started saying, I can't believe that you got your wife involved in all this. He was, I was kind of like, what's he talking? about like what is he what I'm looking at my lawyer my lawyer's like you're the lawyer's always like it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay yeah calm don't say anything don't say anything don't say anything don't say any don't make me work yes don't make any waves we're gonna let them bend you over gently what when they say it's okay it's okay they mean I'm almost done with this they're going to sentence you and I won't ever have to talk to you again you understand it's okay

it's okay with this I'm this close to getting out of here getting out of out of here and ignoring your phone calls for the next 25 years. So, anyway. Chainsaw and Coleman was probably about five foot, about your height. Five, six? Yeah. Okay. Do you remember him?

Man, I don't know anybody five foot six. The only person I even remember is Thomas. That's only because he was like five, two. I loved him. He was awesome. Yeah, he was. I like anybody shorter than me. So a white guy, not in for meth.

um like five your height wait that's the little gay guy the little the little pedophile guy i was gonna say lollipop so as i say lollipop yeah yes because one day yeah yeah he had the lollipops walk around he was on the rec yard with no shirt on and some shorts a little tiny short tight ass like had a cameltoe shorts like sucking a lollipop and matt's like what the he walked up me and madder out there he walked up to us and mad's eyes are like this big he's like chainsaw what are you doing this guy made me look like a tough guy he made me look like a

tough guy he goes what are you doing he goes what do you mean he goes you're you're in federal prison and you're in short shorts no shirts sucking a fucking lollipop like help yeah he's like what else says rape me yeah yeah people keep buy me issues. Congratulations. Like, hey, I'll send my boys to you. I got you. Now you remember chainsaw.

So I pushed chainsaw, but it just didn't. I had a guy that actually told me. So you called yourself chainsaw? Oh, yeah. I told me, they were like, they're like, oh, yeah, I was like, well, I mean, my name is Cox. It's Matt Cox. But I'm thinking about pushing chainsaw. And I'm thinking chainsaw.

Well, that has a whole different meaning. And guys, yeah, yeah, now it does. Yeah, but guys are like, yeah, you're not a chainsaw. And I'm like, no, no, let's go with chainsaw. I think they're like, no. Now, I did have some guys that would scream, like they would see me because they thought it was turned into kind of like a joke, chainsaw, what's up? And I'd be like, what's going on, man?

They go, yeah. It just never took off. It just was Cox. It ended up being Cox. I know. But Matt. You don't think I'm a chainsaw? Bank of America does.

Ask them. Dangerous. They think you're shredded. But Matt, how could you take that name with that? I mean, I thought it would be cool and, you know, kind of almost comical, funny, but it didn't take off. The original chain saw him. Well, it was obviously, clearly I wasn't thinking about the original, when thinking about lollipop.

That should have been his name. Yeah. Because I heard he saw. But, all right. All right. So we're here to talk about some funny prison names. Of course, I asked some of the people that I still talk to in prison if they could hook me up with some pretty good ones. So I emailed them.

They emailed back. My friend, her name is Shana. in low, E-N-L-O-E. Her nickname is sweets. They call a sweet. Sweet-N-L-L-L-O. Wow.

We just lost 20% of the subscribers. You think so? No. Come back. Come back to get better. Come back to get better. Well, no. We get to go to the analytics and watch the dip.

Like, what happened? Sweet and low. That's what happened. Is Sweet and Low a guy? No, it's a guy. girl oh okay all right all right like this is it's okay so her name her name her name okay because she's telling me about some of the girls there one her last name is pool they say they call her city her nickname is city city pool because everyone's had a dip oh my god not another

in the ratings oh no nobody left say whatever you want now it's wide open right what it was come on one one more um one girl's name was sack rider i don't sack rider horrible it's horrible all right but but i didn't give me the reason for that and i guess i have to imagine myself all right but all right for me my favorite my favorite nickname was a very unattractive stink breath stupid guy that i met at Jessup and we used to call him shitbird.

Oh. He, like missing teeth, breath could knock a buzzard off of a shit truck. Right. That's horrible. Very stupid.

Just look like a pile of crap in the form of a bird. We used to call him shitbird. I thought that was the funniest name that I had ever heard. What about you? No, I mean,

there's, you know, listen, I've met, you know, 40 pookies. Yes. You know,

there's a lot of pookies. A lot of pookies. A lot of pookie. um i met a guy named bunny hop black guy named bunny hop uh and had like a bunny like a hopping bunny like tattooed on his neck oh my and had bunny hop tattooed and i was like and one day i was just like why bunny hop bro he's like man you know when you're a little kid you do the bunny hop and i was like yeah he goes i was really good at it so my mom started calling me that and it just stuck i thought they've been calling you bunny hop since you were a little kid you got it and you got it tattooed on

your neck like it was like when I was seven yeah what's up yeah for my birthday what's your point cox um what's your point chainsaw let me think let me think guys well how many how many countries did you like how many what people called country oh every white redneck was called country or big country if they were a big fat white yeah yeah uh what what what uh open country if they were gay or white Gordo, I mean, gordoes. Oh, yes, much gordo. Yeah, lots of gordoes. Then I told you there was a one guy, there was a guy named, I knew a guy, we was like, almost like an albino.

They called him, they called him a pinky because he was super pink. Like he would go in the sun one day and be pink. And then he wouldn't go in the sun for a day or two. Then he'd go in the next day, turn pink. And he'd go, like, he literally couldn't go too many days. He just had like no pigment. No pigmentation. Yeah. And they called him, yeah, pink or pinky.

Uh, who else, man? What about, so how about something that are named after animals? Like moose? Oh, I mean, I mean, any moose's, dog? Oh, I mean, yeah, well, about the room, I told, we were laughing about the black man. Black man, yes. The dude named Black man so, but he was black. Oh, yes.

He was, well, and there's a lot of blacks. Do you remember black from Coleman? Yeah, yeah, a ton of blacks. Yeah, a ton of, not African. African Americans, damn it. Figuratively. African Americans. But the nickname Black.

Black, yeah. A ton of blacks, literally and figuratively. And sometimes their last name would be black. That's true. That's true. What else? Do you remember black from Harmon's class with the bad breath? Gold teeth?

Everybody with gold teeth. If you got gold teeth, it's just ranted. Just disgusting. It's unbelievable. I don't know why people would put that in. Horrible. Horrible. What else? What else? And then we, this is the all, the guy.

We host this the same. This is like a routine. What? Weewee. Wee. Yeah. Wee and wee and doo-doo. We had a wee and a doo-doo.

They were selling. Doodoo was the shit. Doodoo was the shit. Doodoo's the shit. Doodoo did legal work at Medium, right? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Was he good?

was he, he was pretty shitty. What? He got like 30 years or something like that. Yes, he did. Rees knew Doodoo, though. Yeah.

He argued with Doodoo a lot. Yeah, yeah. I had a... I don't know why I got Dood. I don't know why I let Doodoo do my legal work. Neither do I, Reese. What was he a... Like, who should I get to do my legal work?

What's funny is that, like, Reese is my cousin. Yes. Reese is, I don't know, I had a cousin in prison. and I was yeah and he was there for math like Reese was probably the main reason I used to hang around you guys all the time

yeah Reese Reese had the hook up on everything everything no matter what you needed he knew yeah what do you need okay hold on I will get it for you he'd walk off and come back and have it and get this and get that and do that I mean he could get anything he was still he had still had like

and his his he still had like at one point they gave you prison hats like you could get a green like a green military issue hat he had like four of them yes like they hadn't been he had everything yeah they they weren't making the

you didn't they didn't sell these hats or you get these house for like 20 years he's got four of them Reese was a professional prison prisoner absolutely like he could give a class in being comfortable and like making actually advancing in prison

that's what he did how to come up in prison and he had the he also, his locker was perfectly compartmentalized. It was amazing. I mean, he had every square inch

filled up in his locker like stacked from here to there and you'd say, Reese, do have any such and such? I do. Hold on. He pulled this out

and this out and this out and he reached back and he pulled this and he'd hold on. Okay, there. Knew where everything was. It was amazing. And one little locker

and he had tons of food. Like, I don't even know like for him to put all that in there was probably hours. of work milk cartons, boxes he would take whatever you needed to make it Yeah, it was phenomenal, phenomenal. And the guards wouldn't search him.

It was strategic. They wouldn't search him because they're like, I'm not taking this shit out. Like this is insane. Like this is ridiculous. Pat. Right. He said the warden one time was going around

doing cell inspections and was like literally like yanking stuff out, pulling stuff out, walked into his cell, pulled all of his selling stuff out, was looking through it, opened up his and looked at it and went whoa and looked at him

it's like an IKEA his lock was like an IKEA living room everything is perfect what is the what is the term for when

the squares and the circles are all in perfect spot symmetrical symmetrical that was the word I was looking for so she looks at him

looks at him looks at him and looks at the thing and looked at him and went and just closed it and just closed it and just

Just can't walk. No, wait, wait. She, do you know what she said? She said, she goes, this is pretty impressive. Like that, and he went. And then she goes, and closed it and then walked off. But I'm glad you mentioned Reese only because I got to tell this story. I've never had a chance to tell this story.

And it's one of my favorite Reese stories. Let's hear it. And you will, it's perfect Reese. All right. Was I there for that? No, you weren't, because Reese told me the story later. I wasn't there either. Oh, okay.

So this is funny. so uh um it's funny too because we just watched the west watson and the look like you know like guy you know you know your ass you know it's like a starfish right so they call them a starfish okay just that's what it's good this it it's all relates okay okay no homo so okay so here's what happened so Reese is locked up you know he's locked up at one point with two other guys you know so they're all locked up and the lockers when you open your locker one side of the locker has it's got an inlay of a piece of steel and it was sharp right you're talking about because one slows and he closed the other one and then it locks okay so you can't pull them open so once so it was about

it was count time they were all getting down off so if you're talking about the bunk beds are three levels so the guy at the very top Reese had gotten out and opened up his locker and sat down and the guy at the top bunk start climbing down and as he's climbing down real fast to because they're counting you have to be stand up for count

so stand up count so as a guy's climbing down he fucking climbed down the little the little ladder and the fucking that sharp piece of steel catches him right in the middle of the fuck right in the middle of the ass

I mean he said literally he dangled there for a second feet off because he was like and he said he literally he's like and he yanked himself up and he's like ah he goes man he said blood started bleeding immediately and wreath was like oh my god he slammed the door he's like what's going on the guy he said the guy's dancing around guy's hand up on his ass right on his asshole going oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god i hear my fucking uh my ass my ass my ass and he's going what the fuck he's like there's

there's blood everywhere bro he said we're all we're all standing they're like what the fuck what the fuck oh my god and he goes he said look he said wait wait he goes he goes he's What are we going to do? Because look, let me, he goes, so the one cell he's saying, bro, we're all going to the shoe. Like, you can't have that much blood. Like, this guy's bleeding out of his ass. It don't look good. Right.

That looks like there's a rape that happened or something. Right. So he said, he's screaming. He's like, did you, where did you cut yourself? He's like, I don't fucking know, man. I don't know. He's like, well, where is it? It's on your ass.

Is it next to your ass? Like, can we, can we stitch it up? He's like, I don't know, Reese. And he goes, fuck. He's like, what are we going to do? He's like, bro, you got to, um, he goes, let me, he goes, because the guy can't see. He goes, bro, you're going to have to, you're going to have to drop your pants, drop your pants and bend over. Let me see.

He goes, man, fuck you, man. He goes, bro, come on. I'm not playing around. This is thing funny. He goes, let me see. Let me at least find out whether you got to go to medical or whether we could fix this. I got to know how big the gash is to see if it's going to stop bleeding. Right.

He goes, the other cell. He's like, got out, trying to mop up the blood and stuff. He's like, like, you know, they may probably will notice as they, as they may probably will notice as they go by and look in your cell. And the guy's like, God, he's like, come on, let me look. I'm not fucking around. I'm not playing. I'm not playing.

I'm not playing, bro. Just let me see. Fuck. He said, the guy pulls his pants down, bends over and spreads his cheek, and Reese looks down and Reese goes, ooh, that's the prettiest little starfish. The guy stood up, he was, fuck you, my. He goes, it's fine. He's like, you're fine.

It's a little scratch. So listen, here's the funny thing. Reese goes around and guys are literally, so guys that don't know anything about this are calling this guy Starfish. He started getting everybody to call him Starfish.

So guys are walking by, telling him the story. Oh, you know, guys are walking on. What, Starfish? Hey, me, fuck you. What? Mother. Then they go back to Reese,

what the reason? He's like, man, I just told, like, two or three people. What are you doing? Like, literally everybody. And I saw him one time across the comment. And I go, what's up Starfish? He goes, I'll beat your ass.

And I was like, hey, like some guys can get away with it. But not you, Cox. You're five foot nothing. So, yeah, good times. That's a pretty story. That's a pretty. Pucker, puck. All right, all right, so we're trying to get some, some more funny names.

You remember sidewalk? No. Do you remember Mr. Freeze? The guy with narcolepsy? that would stop you were you were in the uh the the the program with them remember you went to that special unit where you were oh yeah you said he would be he would be sitting there in a chair watching tv and all of a sudden just go boom on the floor we're like what the yes we he would walk across you see him walking across the compound and all of a sudden he just stop and fall asleep

but he wouldn't fall he wouldn't fall he just stand there when he stood up he would fall asleep but he wouldn't and then like like a minute or two would go by and then and keep walking Markilepsy. Do you remember how he got locked up? How? He was in state prison and wrote the letter. He was like he was complaining. Oh, no, no, no.

That wasn't the guy that wrote the letter to the president. To the president. Do you remember? Vice president? I thought it was the president. He's wanted to fuck the dog. Yes. I'm going to rape and I'm going to kill your, he said, he said something like he's going

to kill the first lady and their, and their kid. This is the Bush. But he was in state prison. He wanted to go to. federal prison. Right. And he'm going to rape the dog. Yes. So he's like, hey, I know how to get out of here. I'll write a threatening letter to the president. And he wrote it because he wanted, he was in state. He goes, I want to do my time in feds. And he'll have to run it concurrent. So state of Florida has no no air conditioning. So I mean, literally everything is soaked with sweat.

Your mattresses, everything. It's, it's hell. So what he did was his cell. He was complaining. His cellie said, you want to go to the feds. The feds has AC. And he goes, man, I do want to go. They said, you can do your state time while in federal custody he said you get to commit a federal crimes and he said well what's a federal crime I can commit while I'm incarcerated and he did right wrote a letter to the president threatening the president the rapist dog and to kill him and mailed it off and he said it didn't take three weeks before the fed's like let's go took him out of state prison and put him in federal prison where we thought he might have been happy you know when when I was in the shoe, he came back to the shoe when I was back there. So I saw him like, hey, man,

what are you doing here? He's like, you go, eh, I swallowed two or three batteries. Like, he was, he was completely crazy. Well, that that wasn't Mr. Freeze? No, that wasn't, that was Mr. Freeze. No, this guy swallowed a couple of batteries. He was, he was crazy. I forgot it. I think his last thing was Spencer or something like that. I don't know. I swallowed two or three batteries. I got another guy that I know you'll remember. Who? Itchy? Yes I remember Itchy Good time

Itchy had an issue with bathing Many things Yes Bathing was definitely one of them Yes He had a very bad temper He was the only one

That could get away With cursing out the warden So he would curse out the warden It would send him to the shoe And the psychiatrist would go get him And bring him back out of the shoe Put him on the compound He could walk on the grass

Yes We couldn't Like you'd go you get in big trouble. Like he would walk straight to go. Didn't never had to wait in line for pill line. No. Would walk straight.

And everybody, like if I, there's 40 guys waiting for pill line. And I go to the front of the line, like, I'll get my ass beat. You know, you, what's your? Pill line. Yeah. Medication is important. He walked straight to the front of the line and everybody, hey, hey, what's up, bitch? He was not a big guy, but he was just totally insane.

He was completely crazy. What was his, what was his tagline? You know how Bart Simpson said. What was Bart Simpson's tagline? Oh, he did have one. Bart Simpson had a tagline. What was it? Icaramba.

Oh, yeah, Icaramba or something. He did have one. You don't remember what it was? I do. It's going to come to me. Why don't you tell me this pre-broadcast? Because I would have had it. I'm going to think of this on the way home.

I'll tell you. I'll tell you what it is. Oh, you do? What is? Of course. I still want my dick sucked. Do you remember he said that all the time? He's the cards.

Does he say that to the guards? The guards would be like, It's a, get off the grass. Get off the grass. and he'd walk, and they'd go, come here, come here. I don't want to see you on the grass again. I'm tired of calling you to do it. And he sit there, and he said,

and then they'd go, get out of here. And he'd go, he'd turn around and he'd go, I still want my dick sucked. And they go, itchy! And he'd just walk off. Yes, he could say that to anybody. Yeah. He could say anything to any guard.

Insane. Insane. Coleman, man. Coleman Media. Good times. It's good times. Always, always something going on. But there were like, we had, remember Bumblebee?

Yes, I do remember Bumblebee. He was a black guy, about my height, they're shorter, but muscular. Yes. Right? Yeah, nice guy. Yeah, he was. I think he was in for, like, I think he was like one of the black guys selling meth back in 2007 and six. Oh, I'm entrepreneur.

It's an entrepreneur. Remember, Doc? An innovator. Doc, who? The old man, Doc? The old man, Doc. Oh, my God. That nose?

He had the long. Yes. You know, I think he died in 2012 when I looked him up. Yeah, he was on his way out. Remember, his hands were turned blue? Yes. They just hired him in the library to sit in that little A.V. room and do nothing and interview people all day.

Doc was the first. He sold, I've seen his case. He sold pills to Jeb Bush's daughter. Right. Jenna. Jeff Bush was he got. Jenna Bush or something was her name? Yes.

Well, he, do you remember, I remember, we saw his paperwork. Do you remember they, it's this horrible, it's horrible to laugh about because I know, but it, the description is like, the one, the girls like laid out in like the woods, like, with like an oxycodone on her tongue. It was just like, but you know, they blame, they blamed him. A drug, a drug. What do you think? I think it might have been oxy.

I mean, like the pill bottles here. there's bills everywhere, one's on her tongue. It's like, this is staged. I don't even believe this. It's that bad. Remember when they said during the, they sent an undercover in there and he just touched his neck for a second.

Oh, yeah. Prescribe him like 60 oxies. Like, you're in pain. Get out of it. Yeah, total pill mill. And I think they got it more for the draining Medicaid, Medicare. Yeah, you know, that's what he got. He ended up like, it was like, did they,

they didn't get him for the death. They didn't get him for the death. They got him for Medicaid or Medicare, whatever, once federal, which someone of them state wants federal. They got them for that. And then whenever you asked him, so how much time did you get, I got a life sentence? Well, you got a life sentence. And then you would go, well, he got 30 years. He'd be like, 75 years old.

I'm going to die in here. It's a life sentence. And it was like, well, did you do, did you commit the Medicare front? And he was, he told me everybody, everybody, the rest of us were criminals. He was not a criminal. Yeah, yeah. He said, well, I don't know. my staff might have done something.

I don't know what they were doing. Yeah. Your staff prescribed all those medications. Yeah. He had night terrors. Remember? Yes. You were selling.

Wait a minute. How do I remember your stories? He was his celly for a while. Yes. And he was screaming. And I'm up, right? He's an old white guy. He's an old white guy.

He wasn't myself for a while. And he was in there screaming. In the middle of the night, middle of the night. In the middle of the night. So I jumped up and I'm like trying to wake him up and I'm like, wait a minute. I'm a big black guy

setting over this old white man. Screaming. I go, they could probably think I'm doing something to him. Need to kind of stand over by the door. They'll avoid any problems. So yes, he did have night terrors. Do you remember what they were about? I wish to say

there were demons. Now I remember you told me one time his God, I'm glad you have a good memory. What are we discussed? Because I, because I only, I'm saying, like, I'm remembering it now. Like, I just remember because it stuck with me. Okay, well, I forgot. It was, he was screaming like, you bitch, you bitch.

And it was his wife was trying to shove him in what? Do you remember? Was it acid? No, like it was like an oven or something. Like, it was something like that. Like, we didn't quite know what it was. Like, it was like, she was trying to do something to him. He used to tell me that.

He told me when he woke up what he was dreaming about. Like his, I think I, told you a couple of dreams he told me about and his wife was like the nicest sweetest well he was he was he was an ordinary old guy yes he was he had a temper but he would do anything for you if you needed anything or wanted anything he would do anything for you he just he he was honorary he he's had his way all his life yeah yeah so i mean that was an adjustment for him that was an adjustment for him yeah and to die someone to go to die that was that was horrendous yeah that was horrendous yeah that was horrendous.

All right. So we have a couple of names. Treetop. I'm thinking he was tall. What about rooster? It's a cock. White out. White out?

White out. Let me tell you that there was no whiteout at Coleman. This was at Jessup. Oh, okay. The guy's name was white out. White out got a black eye. Wow. And he blacked out.

That's how, like, the guy hit him so hard, he said he blacked out. So we're like, Whiteout, blacked out? Yes. So he was at, I think he owed someone money, something we were at Jessup. And an old guy, White Out was one of those, he was like you a little bit. When he'd get mad, he'd get loud or he'd get aggressive sometimes with people with absolutely no fight in him at all.

You're like, hey, hey, listen, dude. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to do anything but I'll get loud and you think he might I might snap Yes yes that's how he acted Like he very sarcastic

You know at times I like him Yeah he was cool Whiteout was cool Very sarcastic at times So at one point I guess he was talking to someone in Unicorn That kind of he was kind of over his section

And he's talking It was a white guy And the white guy punched him Like punched him super hard In fact Whiteout told me he was holding his coffee cup He had something in his hand he dropped it and he was kind of like wait a minute like let me pick up my

instead of like getting ready to fight he's kind of like oh I dropped my coffee you get disoriented you know hold on a second let me grab my coffee so that that's just kind of a story I remember about white I guess it's not that funny I don't know what it is why do they call him white out because he was extremely pale oh okay that makes sense yeah yeah no there's a guy name Yeah, go ahead. Pork chop. Didn't you know a pork chop?

Oh, I knew a pork chop. I knew a pork chop in the, in the, in the, in the low, I knew a pork chop. Tell me about your pork chop. Oh, God, he was, it was, I was, he was, I was, I was, I was sellies with him for a while there, too. He, he had one, he was, of course, he was overweight. Pork chops are always overweight. Yes, they are. So he was like a, God, what gang was he in?

He'd been in prisons his whole life, by the way. I remember his stepfather murdered his. mother and like his brother or sister when he was like 12 or 13 and he got stabbed several times he just didn't die wow so the father was dead or in prison for life or so he was just gone and then so by the time this kid's like 14 15 years old he's in prison uh out of prison in prison his whole life right uh had been his state had been and then this he got this federal prison sentence of like 20 something years and he uh yeah he had and he had sleep apnea so he had to wear the machine right and he wouldn't wear it he snored so loud and i would bang on the bed and go

come on bro pork chop come on bro and he go and then he would put it on he would this is what it sound like in the middle of the night when he would fight with it it would be going it would be no wait how would it go yeah it was like And he would grab it. And when he put it on his face, it would be like, and he would like, and then silence.

Yeah. Yeah, and then in the middle of the night, he'd take it off and you could hear him. Like, it was like a, he was wrestling with it all night. So it was either snoring or him,

you know, and he looked like a, you know, he looked like a fighter pilot with it. You ever see anything? Like they got straps and everything. Yeah. And,

and, yeah, it was. yeah he got to stay in the unit all that like he just just complained and and he but he was he was a nut job he was a complete nut job uh one i remember yeah listen he was he was nuts and he's like always had a knife and was always ready to fight

and he was bipolar he was always screaming and hollering but he was not he was actually nice to me but he would get crazy and and um ate all the time I mean just he just he was like a feral child Like he had no, he couldn't, anything he bought was gone. Like, if he got five bags of potato chips, like they're all gone. Immediately. Immediately.

He'd eat them for the next, straight for all night long. It's like, you just got back from chow. You know, it's just. Well, our pork chop, the pork chop I had at Jessup was a guy. He was kind of, he was kind of overweight, but he was some kind of like gourmet, gourmet prison chef. Yeah. Like, not only was the food, not only was the food delicious, but it was pretty.

Like, when he designed a bowl, like the rice would be in one corner, add attention, the beans would be perfectly set up with the meat in a certain area. And he'd tell you, look, don't eat it separate, blend it together, counterclockwise. Perfect flavor. Like, he would, cheesecake that was. unbelievable. Yeah. Like he would buy an ice cream and let it melt. And that's what the liquid he'd use with the,

with the coffee creamer to make cheesecakes that were, I'm talking, he made a marble, like a raspberry marble cheesecake that looked like something you'd get from the cheesecake factory. You'd see it and he'd cut you a perfect slice with a little parsley or something on the top. Yeah. You're like pork chop. Yeah, they would make, like, they'd make crust out of, um,

Out of cookies. So they make crust, and then they mix it with something. They would bake it, or in the microwave, and it would be hard. Yes. Like, it would be real hard, like crust. Yes. You know? And then they would, they would substitute all these, like, it's not like you're going in the store.

You're buying all this stuff from commissary, but they would substitute, like, you're really eating cheesecake in prison, even iced and everything. It looks amazing. It would, it was really, it was creamer. Yes, it was creamer. creamer. They'd take coffee creamer and milk or or or like he had ice cream or water and they'd mix it all together and then they would they would either make it hard and fluffy or they'd add in M&Ms or he he used to slice snicker he would take a snicker and freeze it with ice put it on ice and then slice it and listen unbelievable watering right now

what pork chop was a cook that you'd be like oh my god it's amazing yeah yeah he was unbelievable The light skin, heavyset guy, took pride and always told you how to eat it. Don't, no, no, no, don't start it to back. Look, the little part. Listen, in the medium, do you remember the medium? Because in the low, they didn't do this. In the medium, they had, I mean, they have stingers in the low, but there's stingers were everywhere in the medium.

And what they would do is they would take the garbage, garbage cans. Yes. They take the garbage. Super hard plastic. Right. And they would pour, fill it up with oil. And they put the stings. or in there and they would deep fry they'd make wraps they call them wraps what do they call them out

here like burritos they call them wraps there because they so they would make like chicken burritos yes and they would deep fry them and they would pull the mattress off the top bunk and there were guys that like took orders all week long and then friday night would come and they would have a hundred or 200 of plates all they'd have styrofoam containers people coming from the kitchen yeah they People come from all the unit to pick it. Yes. Yeah. They had like a little restaurants.

They had like, you know, hey man, can I get to? They go, did you put it in an order? Well, no, I didn't put it in. I'm bad. We can't. I can't, bro. I'm not. I'm sure.

I'm already short. Yeah. And you're like, what's going on, man? This is pretty like, give me one of those. I can't, bro. That's pookies. It's pookies. You know how pooky gets.

That's pork chops. Oh, no, no. I'm not. Don't touch pork chops. You know, that kind of stuff. It was, it was like, it's like being in a small city within a city. Yeah. And, and, and it's called knowing, like the fact that they know their environment

enough to know who's working when that allows them to cook. You're like, oh, no, are you kidding me? Such as such as working. And like, you're going to be able to cook shit. Yeah, yeah. Tomorrow night. Yeah. Tomorrow night.

It's wide open, baby. You'd have some guards would come in and immediately like take your stuff and take the tattoo gun and take the ink and do this and write up her. Other, other COs would walk in and watch. And be like, yeah Spend the whole day out on the balcony Smoking a cigarette Like who gives the fuck what's going on in there

Right I've had I've come in the unit one time And it's not like a restaurant Like they have multiple people I'm like what the hell It's going on in here Good stuff

It's wide open I had a do you remember Dejeronimo Yeah I do for some reason Yeah he was a He wasn't Indian But he was member of the pretendians The fake Indians Yes

For the tobacco Yeah for the tobacco Yeah, you say you're an Indian, and then you get to, basically, they have, like, inside the federal prisons, they have a little area where they get to pretend to be Indians, like once or twice a week, and they do little rituals. But what they do it for is they get tobacco. So they get so much tobacco to smoke for the peace pipe. And so they pretend to be Indian. So, but he painted, and I remember one of the COs wanted to get a tattoo and actually had some artwork and liked it and brought it to DeGeronimo. he goes can you make this better because he tattooed DeGerona goes he was give it to me let me let me take

oh yeah he was an awesome artist I remember that he redrew the whole tattoo and it was phenomenal then the guard came to me and it showed me goes do you think you can improve on this and I looked at it and I went no who drew this and he goes DeGeronimo I said bro I can't touch this this guy's amazing like I can't I can't even what am I going to change on this this is phenomenal it was handcuffs and a like he did this whole for the CEO. For the CEO. The CEO then went outside and got another artist. He would have let

DeGeronimo do it. Oh, there was a This is Coleman Medium, right? There's a medium. I think I know what CEO you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, who's kind of a little bit overweight. He was, uh, for a group what they called him. He was actually like he was Middle Eastern.

Everybody thought he was Puerto Rican, but he wasn't. He was actually Middle Eastern. He was cool as hell. Yeah, he was super cool. Oh man. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, D. Geronimo one time did a... Yeah, accent, too, I think I remember. Coifish on his, like, this guy did a whole coiff. He did like, we're talking about a whole body. Like, this is artwork with prison junk that is,

that looks professional like you couldn't get on the street. You know, it costs you $2,000 on the street. DeGeronimo would do it for like, okay, I need $50 in commissary, you know. It's unbelievable. Yeah. It's unbelievable. What's some other prison names? What are some...

We've got a bunch of them. Well, I told you about pickle puffer. I think he was gay, right? I mean, not openly. But he never explained how he got that name. Yeah, I couldn't. No, I'd have to change prisons. You can't, no.

No. Chicken wing. Chicken wing had the... He was the guy that had like this... Yes, the little... A little arm. Yeah. You had a deformity.

Yeah. That's how, listen, you want to talk about being concerned about people. You know, out here it's all like, oh, don't say that your hurt his feelings. You can't call him this. You got to call him this. They call the dude named Chicken Wing. They called him Chicken Wing. Yes.

Horrible. Yeah. Horrible. We lean into their shortcomings there. People like, they accept them. Were you there when the guy, they call them like, they call them like, they call them like, they He told him like 6'9 or something. He was like 6'9.

Yes, I remember 6'9. Man, it's amazing all these names are, like we just lived in this environment and 6'9. Oh, yeah, I remember him. Do you remember when they patted him down when he was leaving the chow hall? Yes. And he was loaded? No, he wasn't. This was, it, I think.

He wigged out. No, I'm talking to the female CO, they're all walking out. They're all being patted down, patted down. boom boom boom boom boom and she pats him down and she goes to the inner thigh and she goes what are you doing and she goes he goes what and she she's grabbing his dick and she goes what's this what's this and he goes that's me and she goes what's this that's me and she goes what oh oh and she jumped that and they guys all supposed I wasn't there but they went nuts laughing and she goes get out go all of you just go just go

tugging on his Johnson and he's like that's me he was six nine he was he was huge yeah and he was a big guy he wasn't tall and skinny he was a pretty he was a big solid guy laid laid back calm demeanor everything yeah

six nine I think I do remember and hung and hung apparently like what's this what's this I think she said I don't know if she said this like I don't know if she said this like I don't he thought he was saying, that's meat or something? That's me. He might have been.

That's me. This is meat. Let me see this meat. I'm dying to show you. When do you get out? What was the other? Come on, who else? Why do I have to remember all these names?

You know, my memory's bad. You're the one that's bringing up all the stories. I'm trying to think. You know what's so funny in the low, it's like in the low, I saw like, I seen guys. This is funny. Like, I saw as. much if not more there was more stuff in the low happening like fights and stuff than there really was in the medium if there was a fight it was serious like somebody got seriously

hurt there wasn't a lot of fights at coleman medium no but it was not in the low there were fights but like nobody ever like got seriously hurt but like there's there's guys getting cut with razors there's guys at the low there was a guy called they called him uh there was two guys I'll tell you, one guy was called Porn Star. And the COs called him Porn Star, which I thought was hilarious. I think that that's the classic. It's a good name. When the COs call you by your list of names.

You know what that is? You're elite. That's respect. That's right. So the COs are like, Porn Star, what's up with it? He was like, well, what you know, man? What's you? I'm just mind of my own business here.

Porn Star had his neck fused. Okay. Like he was no porn star. It was not because he was a, formerly a porn star. This guy was like five foot three, had his neck fused, walked around like this all the time.

What? What? What? They were called him porn star because he had all the nudie mags. Good for him. So you get like nudie magazines. The guys will get like a real,

maybe a real, you know, they got some, they got extremely explicit porn, uh, porn mags. And then they make copies of them. Well,

they take, they put tape over them. So the guys, you know, Or they'll take them in the shower. Take them in the shower. They can get them wet. And if something happens, they can wipe it off.

Reusable. Recycle. Right. So Porn Star, he rented out the magazines. Like for like a book of stamps, you got to keep the magazine and it had maybe 50 or 60 pictures or whatever. You got to keep it for like a week, you know, you romance or, you know, for, you have like a nice little week. You know what I'm a girl. Some of them girls you fall in love with, but go ahead.

and then there was a guy they called his name was truck so truck rented urban novels

urban novels so one day truck rented an urban novel for whatever it was like it was literally it's like for like three dollars or six stamps or something you get to keep it for a week

you could read it in a week so like a week went by and he had a little ledger and he got to the guy's thing, he said, hey, man, it's supposed to return that book yesterday. And the guy was like, I know, man, I let my boy borrow it. He packed out or he lost it or he got whatever, got to take. He's like, nah, man, he's like, that, that, that books, that's 15 bucks.

You owe me $15. He's like, man, that thing's been around forever. You got your use out of that thing, man, that thing's old. You had that for you. He's like, what you talk? I got to replace it. It's 15 bucks. man

they start arguing basically finally the guy the truck was little finally he he's like I go fuck fuck off you ain't gonna fucking do nothing

fuck you and he's like truck goes all right walks back to his cell gets a lock gets his whatever

maybe his belt or a you know a sock ties it up ties it around his thing puts it in his hand he's got himself a little bit of laying,

walks in there, guys laying in bed, not even thinking anything of it, walks up. Whach, wah, wah. And I mean, that dude yanks him off the bed, beats, listen, blood everywhere inside this little cell.

These cells are small. And there's blood on the wall. I mean, he, that, you could hear that dude screaming and holland. That guy climbed, they were, they were, you know, they were like cubicles. Right.

So the wall doesn't go all the way top. It goes up about five. This guy literally, he couldn't get out because truck was in the way of the exit. So he jumps up and jumps over the wall, blood everywhere. Truck was also about to go to a camp. He did go to a camp, by the way, because I remember after the whole thing, I got to hear the screaming and everything. You see the guy running off.

I mean, he's got welts and cuts all over because, you know, a lock will messy up. You get these little circular cuts all over your body. He takes off running. Anyway, I don't know I want to say that guy Because I remember the guy's whole eye was red His whole one of his whole The entire eye was just bloodshot red

Like he hung out for a couple days We saw him around like in the in the unit Like trying to stay Stay away from the CEOs Eventually they grabbed him And I kept thinking well they grabbed him They're gonna get they're gonna get They're gonna look at the cameras

But half them cameras don't even work No Or someone's yeah or someone's Yeah or someone's gonna The two-legged cameras Right or someone the inmates is gonna tell on them And look at the, at the, it was not, at the medium, you could do something like that and not have it catch out with you.

Literally at the low, it's catching up to within hours that's that bad. Wow. Never caught up with him. He actually, like two weeks later, he was put on a bus and he went to a camp. And the other guy got grabbed and put to the shoe. Never said anything. And I remember going to, like, a couple days later, I went up the truck and I go, bro, what are you doing?

He's like, what? I go, you're going to a camp. They just put you in for a camp. He's like, man, dude, disrespected me, man. You heard how he, I can't let him. talk to me like that. I said, what do you give a shit how he talked? You're going to a camp. He said, I don't care. I don't care. You ain't nobody

talking to me like that. I was like, I'm like, I keep the book. Truck laid back, keep the book. Truck's a laid back guy but he's like, I'm not going to take that. And you know, it's funny, like when he packed out, like he couldn't take half the books he had. You're losing half the books you got anyway. What are you

doing? They only, you know, when you pack out, they only let you, you can take 10 bucks, you can take four socks. You can take, like, you can only take so much stuff. So he couldn't even take half of them. He's got a hundred books. What are you going to do?

Well, he didn't have any consequences. So he, yeah, he didn't know, he wouldn't have known the consequence of that. But these guys, they get, you know, they have that whole respect to that mentality. Yeah. Yeah, but, but like sometimes he can get out of hand.

There are certain things that, come on, Matt, you got to Twitter in a TV room about, hey, we're changing. That was, I was never going to do anything. I know, but there's certain limits. It's like you've got to set some boundaries. I was going up to the edge. Right to the line.

I'm not going over. Hey, what about, do you remember the CEO? Hold on. Keep it real. You ain't keeping it real. Keep it real. Do you remember? I forgot about it, yes.

Do you remember a guy slammed him? I heard about that. Yeah. I heard about it. Well, he, yeah. And both of them still stay. Like, keep it real. Like, he's been in multi, keep it real, been in multiple fights.

He was tiny little Puerto Rican guy, the Puerto Rican guard. He was cool. He was cool. Because he would come around and catch you, he'd be like, hey, y'all need to fire your lookout, boy. If I'm able to come up here and see this, your lookout needs to be fired. Like, hey, he's right. You're fired, asshole. He was funny.

He's short. You didn't see shit, you know. He was funny. He was. And that was his catchphrase was. You ain't keeping it real. Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, man, you know, no, no, see what happy guys. No, no, keep it real now.

You ain't keeping it real now. You ain't keeping it real. You know you ain't supposed to be out here. Keep it real, man. Now, all the COs called him keep it real. Hey, who's working tomorrow? Keep it real. Yes.

Listen, the COs were ridiculous. They would get into fist fights. They would get an argument. Do you remember Fed and, do you remember Fed? You know Fed's son came to work. He worked at the low. Really? So there was a guy, there was a CO named Fed.

F-E-D. His name was Fed. Was it D-D? It might be D-D. Yeah, F-E-D. I kind of remember, was he a white guy? No, black guy, tall, thin, super quiet, very nice. He got into a fight with another CO?

Yeah, he got into a huge argument. They never got into a fight, but they literally were saying, like both of them, like, let's, in the parking lot. Oh, there were multiple in the low. there was we had a CEO that came in and like the first day you know how when they change the COs per every quarter they rotate the series he came in he had just been assigned from the medium because and he so he first day when he comes then you know someone will give a talk all right everybody I know you guys already heard about me I'm I'm I'm fair and he gave a little talk he said and also if you've heard that I'm

not at the medium anymore because I was in a fist fight with another CEO in the in the in the in the in the parking lot that's true but he had it coming and I don't want to hear anybody say anything uh other any anything something you know disparaging about me he said because I beat that motherfucker's ass and I'm here going this is this this is where I'm at the grown men the CEOs are fighting each other yes they're like half of were addicted to oxies. Of course. They're all,

they're all sleeping with each other or sleep with us the girl. The professionalism and it only it's digressing more and more and more

and more. It's just getting, because there's no time to train them. Yeah. Like I've been to the website and they're like we're hiring

and come in and get in a great career. Like they pay them excellent money over time. I learned, I learned like I respected them when I was at the medium

because I thought they were maybe professionals. But then I kind of when I went to the pen, I realized like these people aren't professional at all. No. Listen, in the pen, they were hiring these black girls hood and ghetto as hell. Ghetto as hell.

I remember one, I'm trying to remember what her name was. Because she was flying, she goes, man, my paycheck was $1,000. Like, she's like, she's like, I've never made that much money in my life. There was, there was a there was a lieutenant at the medium. No.

lieutenant at the low that had been at the pen and was under investigation at the pen and so they sent her to the medium. So she was under investigation at the pen because she was sexually harassing a CO underneath her

wanting to sleep with him and he kept saying like look I'm married I'm this, I'm that, you know, I just got married like I'm in love with my wife and one night she got drunk and she got pulled over and the cops, of course They don't, you know, they're like they're all cousins, you know.

So they're not going to, I'm not going to give you a DUI, but you can't drive away. Call somebody. She called a few people, but it's late. She texts this guy at 2 o'clock in the morning and says, look, come get me. I'm here. I need you to come pick me up. I'm drunk. The cop's going to let me someone come pick me up, but I need you to come pick me up.

The guy texts back, I can't. It's 2 o'clock of the morning or 1230 or 1130 at night. whatever it was, inappropriate for you to be texting me, text him, and he says, I can't, I'm with my wife, she goes, I'll make it worth your while, I'll suck your dick. And she texts him, the wife finds it. She says, we're getting a divorce, or you're going in and you're filing a complaint

and you're showing them this tomorrow morning. He went into work, boom, she's been doing this for a while. I could show you text that she sent me. Here's this. Last night she sent me this. So they scooped her up and stuck her under investigation, put her in the low. Like, they don't, they don't lay you off. Yeah, they don't, they're not going to investigate it.

Right. You all separate for a while, let's see what happens. Right, well, just make sure you two aren't at the same. I mean, it's like, you know, ridiculous. And you're still in the same complex, but you're not going to be at the same institution where she can have influence over what you do. Right. So she's not going to be able to call over there and if you're a supervisor and say, hey, get that due to hell.

She was horrible. She was a horrible, horrible, horrible. I mean, she walked around and just tormented guys. That's because of her rejection. Yeah, but I mean mean, just a mean person. Like just would walk over to you. You know, you're sitting there eating and she would walk over. I remember, ooh, reverse discrimination.

She was a black chick. I'm sitting there and they would give away pies, right? You remember if you get the pies and some guys are like, I don't want my, but there are pies piled up. Like, they don't want them. Right. So I had like three pies. So I sat there one day and I ate a pie.

Now, there's a black guy sitting next to me. He's got four or five pies, right? also he's finishing his pie literally eating his like finishing it and i'm sitting there finishing and she walks up she says you're done and i went ma'am and she goes you're done let's go i went i'm i'm still eating and she goes she goes you got three pies there this guy's got like five pies and i'm like i'm and i look and he's sitting there eating it's just like his second or third pie you know and he looks there and she goes you're done let's go now now and i went yes ma'am i stood up and went to grab the pie she just leave them because you know

i'm ready to sneak them out they would never check me you know they don't they check all the black eyes too too right where's the reverse discrimination but go ahead go ahead go ahead what about not getting checked white boy she hated me what about not getting checked white boy listen listen listen this was in this event usually it works for me right which i'm okay with all right i so i get up and I have to leave. She let that guy sit there. Yeah. I went up to him later. I said, did you see that? He's like, yeah, I know. He said, it sucks, doesn't it? Good. I say good, yes. These pies were good. This was good pies. So, yes. Did you ever get the biggie cookie, uh, big, big babies, the big cookies? The like one, oh, at Coleman. Yes. Yes. I remember

those. They came in boxes. Oh, my God. They stole a bunch of boxes. Oh, are you kidding. The macadamian, the red velvet, and with the white chocolate. Yes. The red velvet one, oh my God. Listen, you have no idea. Like, if you go months and months without having like a cookie, like a real good cookie or ice cream or something.

When you get it, it's like a little taste of freedom. Yes. I mean, you can't imagine how you're like, this is, dudes are fighting over this. Guys were buying, guys are buying, they'd have 10 and 15 of them. They're buying them. Guys are stealing boxes out of the, out of the chowel. They had a, they could steal out of the chow hall, too.

Yes. Oh, at the low? Sometimes, the medium, they had it down. Oh, my God. It was a profession. Yeah. In fact, when I worked in the kitchen a short time, and they would tell them, hey, get your mules up here. You know, like, I want everything that's leaving here to leave here before they start the child.

Yeah. So on Pill line, their mules had to be up there. People like, hey, make, they tell the compound guys, go tell them. it's all money yeah it's like the compound guys were messengers go to e2 tell tell titty that he got to need him down here three before they start child line tell me sneak out when they call a pill calling get on up here's like get him this shit what's he'll he go he'll go a couple stamps thank you dog I got you do you have any more the names no I mean they're all like honky come on they call that wasn't your nickname

Listen, it's so, it's so funny that, like, they, the, the, the names are just so, like, you would never call, like, fat man. You'd never, like, on the street. Who would take that name? Right. But those people offered up those names, like, they go, hey, what is your name? What do they call you? They call me fat man.

You know, yeah, that's what, you know. And you say, hey, I was just about to do that. Yeah, I said, I came in. I said, you know, chainsaw. They went, no. No, no, chainsaw. No, that, see, for me. cut for every paper cut is better for everybody else that's cool for me that is a horrible that only

brings the mind a lot of what you're because because at the time you're like chain sock yeah you're like come on change yeah i listen i got i ended up getting it was it was just cox it's gots that's it was it never it never yeah it's not your name you don't have a good name that's the good zach is that's because you say that like you don't have a good name like i you know the problem is you have to have like you have to have, they're like street guys that get those names. Right. You know? And like I just couldn't.

It's, somehow it fit their personality. They blend into it and you learn to accept. That's who they are. And there's always, there's always someone in the unit that knows them by their street name and their government name. You ever been to the mail call? You know, they'll go, Thomas Wilburn. Hey, Paul, job.

Yeah. Matthew Codds. Hey, Chase-all! You got mail, huh? Thank you. Good times. Good time. We should go back.

God. So horrible. Yeah, I can't think of, God. Commissary and just so horrible. Just such a horrible existence. Well, yes. Going to commissary sucked. Yeah.

Having commissary didn't suck. So you had to go through the grocery shopping doesn't suck. No. Going to commissary sucks. Having commissary doesn't suck. Get up to the windows. They don't have it. Hey, well, you didn't give me my ice cream.

We don't got that ice cream. No, no, no. Okay, well, can I get chocolate? Can I get chocolate? No. You didn't put down chocolate. No substitute. Yes.

You had peanut pecan. I'm spending money. I'm spending. Who gives a ass? funny is you're staring at like the chocolate's right here like you're like I can see the chocolate right there give me the chocolate give me the guys at bangman you better get out of here right now because they're saving it for somebody shh shh that guy touched the window was a chick yell there was a chick they called they called

her what they call her Barbie doll no they called her oh commissary Barbie Commissary Barbie. They called her Carmissary Barbie, Blon Hick, banging multiple guards. She would yell and scream at these guys in the window and she was yelling at this guy one time. Who was a doctor? And she's screaming and holler at him. And he goes, he puts his finger on the thing, goes,

like that. And she goes, get out of here. He goes, he, he, he, shh. Get. You can't, there's a window. You can't touch her lips. But he acts like to touch her lips. You know what I'm ridiculous.

Oh, my God. Good times. Why do you keep saying that? Moments, good moments, not good times. Moments, good moments. Because we laughed a lot when we were there. Oh, man. Like all the time, we were, it was hilarious.

And it was always something going on. There was a story. Did you see what happened yesterday? You know what I'm saying? You know when it became horrible? When? It's although there were some good stories. when K2

started hitting all the compounds so K2 is a substance like I don't know if everybody knows what it is it's basically like what it's it they could it's a chemical compound and they could spray it on paper spray it on paper so they're just you just get your mail

and it's like it's on the second lower the lower left hand corner of the second page so some guy would call somebody's like yeah I'm sitting in some stuff it's on the lower left thing oh okay and then they get it and they get it get it and now I've got a little sheet and they would cut it up and roll it up and they'd smoke it and it was horrible debilitating

they couldn't even move yeah I heard it was like bug spray or yeah yeah that was the big thing guys who know rat poison and all that stuff and so you would very addictive so I'd be you'd be in the bathroom right and guys would be on the ground like acting like they're swimming I mean and you know there's there's piss on the ground this is this is not like the bathrooms at the medium or the pin this is a wide open

in six toilets for 180 guys and some guys laying, some guys crawling through all the, all the, with the toilet starts, you're trying to swim, you're like, that fuck's go! And they're or they think they were on fire? Yes. That was an epidemic so bad. They were rushing those people to the hospital.

Yeah. Oh, listen, there were guys that had like brain embolisms and all kinds of problems. Funniest thing I ever saw, well, not funniest, but this was pretty funny though. One time there was a guy where you could tell, like I was in the TV, room and you could tell all of a sudden you could see all these people you get the sense for what's happening around you even though it was outside like all of a sudden the the movement outside i'm on

the second floor the movement outside suddenly changed and i looked and because everybody just kind of stopped and they're all looking so there's a guy running around on the grass um so which immediately gets your attention so he's running around on the grass and the other the guards are running around him like trying to corral him. And so finally, so now we're all up, looking in the, we're holding on the bars,

looking out the window. And he's like, so you've got these guards, and the guards kind of start to close in around him. And they get around him. And they're closing in. And he's screaming and screaming and he's doing this,

and he's doing this, pulling his shirt off. And all of a sudden, oh, he yanked his shirt off. And I'm thinking, like the way they're approaching him, like is to see, have a knife? Like, what's going on? And

he's screaming and hollering, and all of a sudden, he yanks his pants down. Now, keep my mind, he was on K2 and he had, you know, he thought he was on fire. So, but he, when he yanked his pants down, like the guards, like,

jump back like this. Like, we're like, they were like, literally like there was an explosion of the guards, all of a sudden went, and then all of a sudden they looked at each other and they rushed him and grabbed him and threw him He coughed him and dragged him off, screaming, he's on fire. I mean, that's just like, we woke up in the middle of the night, like the other, you'd wake up. This happened once a week.

Guys would wake up, and they would start screaming. Like, they would go in the bathroom at night. Like, you couldn't, like, to me, I would go to the bathroom just before. Like, as soon as count was over, go straight in the bathroom, use the bathroom and leave. You didn't want to go in the bathroom later. You didn't want to wake up at one in the morning or 12.30 and go take a piss because there's, Guys are getting blow jobs. Guys are having, oh, it's horrible.

Keep mind, there's tons of showers. And the COs, you got like one CO for two units. So for 360 guys, you've got, yeah, there's 3,000, 180 per unit. And it was a lot of homosexuals. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. And so you've got a bunch of, you got one CEO who basically every three or four hours, he walks around and counts, right? like you know so um and they would so you had two two units uh two units upstairs two

guards per you know they can't watch the whole thing they sit in there they play so you got like three and they have a lookout like they these guards can't possibly come in here and catch you doing nothing right anyway so so um what was gonna say is guys would go in the bathroom and they just smoke and every once in a while they get a bad batch or have a you know You could smoke it. Lots of guys smoked it plenty of times. They were like, I'm fine. Everything's fine.

It's just like, I'm just getting high. You know, and then other guys would go in and smoke it. And the next thing you know, they're screaming at the top of their lungs or they fall down. And they're just laying there on the floor twitching and trying to, trying to move. And guys, you would literally see guys holding, two guys holding a guy's leg dragging him down the, down the hallway to his cell. And then they'd pick him up and put him in his cell in his bunk and cover him up and just. hope that he was okay in the morning and he was it was horrible

but some guys would get there and they would start screaming they like they'd be they'd smoke it go lay down in bed make it wake up fucking on fire and scream and hollering and so you're sitting there and they're all cubicles so two cubes down

and this goes on for five minutes you're sitting there all you've got your hands covered guys are trying to tell eventually the COs come One guy comes down, he realizes, okay, nobody's, there's not a fight, he's just screaming. Then they get the other, next thing you know, the lights are on, there's 10 COs, they pack them up, they put them on a stretcher, they take them away.

What's so funny is how many times that would happen. And because other guys would see, oh, God, they're going to do a shakedown to try and find it, they would, knowing I have the same batch of K2 that you have, they would immediately go and smoke it. So now you've got 15 people screaming. It's like, what did you think was going to happen? What did you think was going to happen? They just took away pookie. And now

you've got doo-doo screaming. You've got white boy. You've got old country. You've got everybody screaming now. Yeah, I mean, it was just pure insanity. Up all night. It was, oh, God. And then in the morning, you've got to get up. It's not like you say, listen, I can't do it. I got to, let me sleep in.

We're all going to sleep in today. You know, we were all up late last night. They're like, funny. Lights are on. Get out of the unit. I'm just like, oh, God, you're out on the rec yard. It's, everybody's talking about it. So what happened?

Oh, my God. This is horrible. This is ridiculous. Good times. Good moments. Good moments. Only funny thing. And I don't think this was K2.

related but we had a streaker and the only reason I want to tell a story because it's hilarious because they well this guy wanted he wanted a mental transfer he's like I want to go to one of the hospitals so he asked them and like they were like no you're going to be fine here so then he took off his clothes and he'd run around the compound naked and they'd have to surround him and then the psychiatrist went and got him out of the shoe so on the third So, like, they wouldn't transfer. Like, he was in arguments every day about get me out of here. No.

So then he'd go back to the unit at lunchtime, take off his clothes, and run the compound. The important part is on the third time, right? Because I guess some of the COs were fast. I can catch him. Let me do it. He decided to oil down. Nice. So he's oiling.

So he was in our unit, by the way. So he's in his room or where. he was oiling down and then he runs out he's like move move move like we're all you know we're waiting to go to child all standing by the door you're move move move move move move you look back and he he's coming he's butt-naked and he runs out and the COs at the door that are there he runs out and runs on the compound of the ones that the oh I'm sorry the ones that the door is just standing there I go you're not going to chase him he goes I was a cop for 20 years I've already captured enough of naked people in my life.

I'm done. So he's running on the compound. He's oiled up. So now they're chasing him. So just like you said, they're surrounding him. They want to get him. So they grab him and he slips out.

And they're, you know what I'm saying? They're reacting to the oil. Yeah, they're grabbing him. So we had a little short CEO that just ran him down. Like he's running this way and his short CEO kind of corners him and tackles him.

It's not really a tackle where he grabs him. It's like where he knocks him off his feet, right? And so when he hits the grass, right, they're trying to grab him and he's slipping out. Well, the short CO has gotten him by the penis. Oh, my God. And you don't even know that, right? Because until he flips over. Now, I'm at the child hall, so we're watching this as they're trying to surround him.

So you see him grabbing him and he's trying to slip away because he's slipping out of everybody's grip. And he's got him by the penis. and he flips over. That's when you see he has him by the penis because he's doing like this, he's pushing back, and you see the guy, shh, shh.

He immediately, like, what? But the other ones came and grabbed him up from the top of the body and when they got him. They're like, he's oiled up. He's greased up. That was one of the, because the first two were funny,

but the second one was hilarious. You know, because he's dodging him. The fact that he could slip out of their grip, I did not know that oil worked that well. Yeah, I'm sure. It works excellent. You grease up. That's why they do it in wrestling.

It's an excellent deal. Sorry, I was thinking about... Good moments. Nice, good times. I was thinking about Palmer. Do you remember Palmer? White Palmer? That was my man.

I wish I could have kept up with him. He had been in prison multiple times for bank robbery. Yes. This is a guy who told me, this is an educated... This is what bothers me. You're an educated white guy. How can you not make a living? Like he literally, remember why he went, he was a little off.

Yes. But he was smart. Very. Right. So he literally, here's what he, he robbed a bank. He would rob a bank with a note. They would give him three or four years. He'd go to prison.

He'd get out, try and make, try and make a living, couldn't do it, go into a bank with a note. He'd get out. They'd give him five or six years. He'd get out again, try and make a living. living and he told me and I was like why do you keep going back to prison and he goes I just can't make a living like I can't support myself it's like how is that possible he's like I just can't I mean I've tried I get I can't live on minimum wage I just can't do it and he's like but I know so what do I do I go and I rob a bank and it was like turned himself in one time remember one time with the girls

this time the time he was in prison he turned himself yes yes and and um he was upset about that conviction because most his prior convictions had been five years they gave him 15 years for that last year yeah because before he was he teetered on the edge of bank robbery and and larceny see there's a very like I used to talk to him about his case I always thought it was interesting there was a very interesting argument he said I never robbed the bank I committed larceny he said I used the bank's rules to obtain money he goes robbing the bank would taking the money from the bank. Larceny is actually procuring the money

through the bank's rules. He showed me that in legal terms, and he's right. You know, the law requires banks, the FDIC requires that they do not put up any fight if people go in that bank and ask for money. Right. So when he wrote that note and he gives it to them, right? As long as he's not threatening, he's non-threatening,

their rules require them to give him the money. Right. Right. Okay. Right. So he teetered the line of what's threatening and what's not threatening. So the prosecutor, of course, told the teller to say that she felt her life was in danger. Okay. So now it's threatening. And so now it's a robbery and he got 15 years. Whereas the other three times, he only got larceny because the teller didn't feel threatened because he was very courteous.

He even records, he records himself when he goes up to her. You know what I'm saying? So he could tell them, I never threatened her. Right. I didn't know that. I never even used a harsh term. Yes. Yeah. I remember studying his case. I thought it was very interesting when he showed me that. I'm like, that's an interesting concept that you're fighting.

I thought, maybe I remembered it wrong. I was like, no, he gave him or no, but you're right. It wasn't threatening. Yeah, and he was very, he was adamant that he was non-threatening. That's why he was. But yes, he couldn't make it. And he had this mental block where he's like, okay, I need to go away for three or four years and come back. He was in a mental hospital at one point, too, wasn't he?

Yes, he was. Didn't he even escape one time? He put on a bunch of clothes and clung. lined up over the fence, not in, I don't, I don't know, I don't remember him telling me about escaping. I know he did extra time because he started, he was fighting guards, but he, he has some mental blocks. He didn't seem like a fighter to me, but he wasn't a fighter. He was just, he was a puncher. You know, they say something he didn't like, he'd punch him. Maybe not hard. I don't know,

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